Multiple Bigfoot Tracking Us Near the River | Illinois Sasquatch Encounters

<v Speaker 1>Tonight on Sasquatch Theory, I am joined by Jesse from Hillsboro, Illinois,
<v Speaker 1>who shares a lifetime of terrifying encounters near Springfield, Illinois.
<v Speaker 1>Encounters that didn't just involve sounds in the woods, but
<v Speaker 1>direct interaction from massive glowing eyes watching from the darkness,
<v Speaker 1>to heavy wood knocks responding to his movement, to rocks
<v Speaker 1>being thrown with force, and even a night where something
<v Speaker 1>grabbed him by the leg and pulled him from his sleep.
<v Speaker 1>Jesse believes there were multiple creatures operating together, moving in coordination,
<v Speaker 1>and what his family experienced decades earlier may prove this
<v Speaker 1>activity has been going on for generations. These encounters weren't
<v Speaker 1>shared for entertainment. They were shared as a warning. This
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<v Speaker 1>let's dive straight into our next bigfoot encounter here on
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch Theory. All right, Jesse, welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How
<v Speaker 1>are you doing today.
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, Jesse. It's a pleasure to have you on
<v Speaker 1>the show today. If you would tell me a little
<v Speaker 1>bit about yourself, where you're from, and your bigfoot encounters
<v Speaker 1>and experiences from the very beginning.
<v Speaker 2>Please, My name is Jesse. I am from Illinois. I'm
<v Speaker 2>from a little town called Hillsboro. Currently I live in
<v Speaker 2>a little town called Taylorville. It's not too far from Hillsborough.
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of waters and river systems around here.
<v Speaker 2>And I've always been around him and hunting him and
<v Speaker 2>hogging him a little boy. Uh, just to give you
<v Speaker 2>a little background about myself. The Hoggins where you get
<v Speaker 2>in the creek, we call it hogging. Other people call
<v Speaker 2>it noodland. But we get in creeks and catch big
<v Speaker 2>catfish with their hands and whatnot. We're up and down
<v Speaker 2>creeks and smaller systems and stuff get big fish out
<v Speaker 2>of them. The guy I was with later comes from
<v Speaker 2>a little town called Fillmore, but he comes from out
<v Speaker 2>in the sticks a Fillmore. Fillmore's got out in the
<v Speaker 2>sticks anyway, he rose, he ye raised dobermains and things
<v Speaker 2>of that nature, and they got water from a well
<v Speaker 2>and baysing the creek. So they played outside all the
<v Speaker 2>time too, as I did. This would have been back
<v Speaker 2>in the early eighties when we were kids. We're both
<v Speaker 2>in our forties now, But this happened in twenty twelve.
<v Speaker 2>I'd moved to Springfield for a while, Illinois, and the
<v Speaker 2>Sigmon River runs down through there, just north of Springfield
<v Speaker 2>by the airport there, and two other little towns through there.
<v Speaker 2>And he's a hard guy to get out of his house.
<v Speaker 2>I finally got him up to Springfield because I wanted
<v Speaker 2>to go fishing with him. Some of the things had
<v Speaker 2>been happening was that I'd caught some good different big
<v Speaker 2>drums and you know, just fun fish to catch. And
<v Speaker 2>I got him up there to go fishing with me
<v Speaker 2>around my birthday in twenty twelve, in August, and I
<v Speaker 2>told him about you know, big fish flopping and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, getting more lines out there, getting out
<v Speaker 2>of his house. So he got up there and we
<v Speaker 2>left the ladies at the apartment and we took off
<v Speaker 2>and it was getting on dark when we pulled up. Well,
<v Speaker 2>you gotta go down a highway twenty nine, I guess
<v Speaker 2>I just kind of guide you down it, and it
<v Speaker 2>takes you past the airport and down into a big bottom.
<v Speaker 2>And it's a bottom is the Sinamon River, and it's
<v Speaker 2>a it's not a huge river. It's just a river.
<v Speaker 2>It's only maybe fifty feet widen, you know, and total floods.
<v Speaker 2>But the highway when you turn it, you got to
<v Speaker 2>get left off the highway and then there's an old
<v Speaker 2>highway from an older bridge, and you get on that
<v Speaker 2>and come back south again and you park and that's it.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's not room. There's no big could a
<v Speaker 2>sack type thing or anything. And you just walk down
<v Speaker 2>a rock hill. As it starts to slope down, you
<v Speaker 2>kind of get down under that bridge down to the river.
<v Speaker 2>I'd say it's two hundred feet two hundred and fifty feet,
<v Speaker 2>it's not even that far. And the bridge right there
<v Speaker 2>it's forty five feet tall. At this point when we
<v Speaker 2>when we parked, we got out and we were getting
<v Speaker 2>our gear out of the trunk and we heard a
<v Speaker 2>big hoop and it didn't sound like a normal but
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was sitting next to the piping inside the
<v Speaker 2>bridge or something magnified, or it was just wrong by
<v Speaker 2>what we heard, but it sounded pretty much like an owl.
<v Speaker 2>And we'd never heard nothing about people's stories or anything
<v Speaker 2>at this point. There was hard to talk here and there,
<v Speaker 2>but nothing that we'd never followed too much, and so
<v Speaker 2>we didn't think nothing about it. And we were walking
<v Speaker 2>down that hill trying to you know, find or keep
<v Speaker 2>our footing just a little rough down through there. There
<v Speaker 2>big river rip rap, therege large stones that these for
<v Speaker 2>embankments and rivers and lakes and stuff. And there was
<v Speaker 2>a big commotion underneath the bridge where there was pools
<v Speaker 2>of water and stuff from runoff and where they have
<v Speaker 2>dripped drains off the bridge. And something took off like
<v Speaker 2>a woof, woofoo. And then she kind of measures the distance,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like how fast it was going. Kind of
<v Speaker 2>you could measure distance on something moving away from you
<v Speaker 2>sometimes better than towards you, especially if it's running perpendicular
<v Speaker 2>a little bit from you at an angle. I was
<v Speaker 2>kind of hearing tracking it. Man, it was moving whenever
<v Speaker 2>it was and it got up, I think because in
<v Speaker 2>the line of sight the bridges, they're up in a
<v Speaker 2>tree or something or kind of, but there's really no
<v Speaker 2>embankment there. It drops off. It's a big bottom. I
<v Speaker 2>figured they'd gotten a tree and was making some kind
<v Speaker 2>of crazy squawking side I'd never heard before. You know,
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people haven't heard whooping cranes and stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that, and Heron's and I've heard of my whole
<v Speaker 2>life doing hogging because they stand out in the creek
<v Speaker 2>and it makes funny noises sometimes I've heard it, but it
<v Speaker 2>sounds something like that but big. And when I say
<v Speaker 2>it moved, it was moving. And I'm thinking, when I
<v Speaker 2>need you judge them cars going over that bridge just thing.
<v Speaker 2>Probably did thirty five or forty get over there, and
<v Speaker 2>your mind didn't want to tell you that just happened.
<v Speaker 2>And they have these pathetic little flashlights that we've been using,
<v Speaker 2>and they weren't real good anymore, you know, like a
<v Speaker 2>dollar General Walmart flashlights, red and blue things. They're pretty junkie.
<v Speaker 2>And we cast about a twenty five foot beam and
<v Speaker 2>a real white yellow and you can't really see much
<v Speaker 2>with them. But you can bait and you can see
<v Speaker 2>what you're doing a little bit. Well, you got flashlight out,
<v Speaker 2>what was that, you know? And they've seen a little
<v Speaker 2>pathetic little weed moving around. What the heck? You know?
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to focus my light on it, and the
<v Speaker 2>biggest pair of eyes I've ever seen in my life
<v Speaker 2>opened up. And when I say you can put your
<v Speaker 2>hand around a golf ball and hold it between your say,
<v Speaker 2>your thumb and your middle finger, my hands were about
<v Speaker 2>eight and a quarter inches. Can give you some reference.
<v Speaker 2>And if I was to put my hand around this
<v Speaker 2>thing's eyeball, I'd still have an inch between my thumb
<v Speaker 2>and my middle finger. That's how big that eye was.
<v Speaker 2>I've been a carpenter for twenty seven years, so the
<v Speaker 2>measurements and things and you know, are pretty good in
<v Speaker 2>my head about this. These little things I got to
<v Speaker 2>cutouts all the time, but they were also six to
<v Speaker 2>seven inches apart, and I thought, what the hell, and
<v Speaker 2>I stopped. And then, boy, I'll tell you, the hairs
<v Speaker 2>on the back of my neck. I went rigid. My
<v Speaker 2>buddy stopped, his breath caught, and uh, it's not a
<v Speaker 2>real scary story, but I was trying to make out
<v Speaker 2>what it was, and I couldn't. It was like my
<v Speaker 2>light wouldn't look at anything that there should have been there,
<v Speaker 2>like around that those eyes. And I was going a
<v Speaker 2>couple of feet to the left and right of it, like, well,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, is there an outline that there was a leg?
<v Speaker 2>Is there is the thing? I only thing I could
<v Speaker 2>think that. You know, some cougars have a bigger eye,
<v Speaker 2>you know, mountain lions would have a pretty big set eyes.
<v Speaker 2>But being that far apart and there they were twice
<v Speaker 2>I think, almost twice as big as a mountain lion's eyes.
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, I haven't seen one up close
<v Speaker 2>and personal with my out in the wild, but I've
<v Speaker 2>been a zoo's too, and no. Simple it was and
<v Speaker 2>h it was like I didn't see any greenery either,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what you know, I mean, come on,
<v Speaker 2>when is this thing? And as I was panning it
<v Speaker 2>back and forth, those eyes closed really slowly, and I
<v Speaker 2>mean real slow, until they were slitched and gone. And
<v Speaker 2>there's a little bit of movement, a little bit of
<v Speaker 2>brush movement. And my buddy, he was down on my
<v Speaker 2>left at this point, and we're kind of now facing
<v Speaker 2>and looking underneath the bridge and to my right and
<v Speaker 2>down the little ways of the river and then a
<v Speaker 2>little run off and other than that, it's like rock
<v Speaker 2>all the way until about fifty foot from the river
<v Speaker 2>to give a little idea here, and there's brush up
<v Speaker 2>here on the left at the corner of the bridge
<v Speaker 2>where it runs into the ground again and from open
<v Speaker 2>air into the ground, and there was brush something moving
<v Speaker 2>over there, because he says, hey, buddy, I got something
<v Speaker 2>moving over here. And I said, well, whatever it was
<v Speaker 2>just disappeared, you know. And about that time he's like, man,
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel right, and I said, well, need do
<v Speaker 2>I man, I'm you know, and we're both like, we're
<v Speaker 2>out pansies, you know. We have rough lives. We did
<v Speaker 2>and had to prove ourselves many times, and it's just
<v Speaker 2>rough sometimes in smaller towns too, not just in cities.
<v Speaker 2>But he was scared, and we didn't have weapons. You know,
<v Speaker 2>we're not the guys that are allowed to have them anymore.
<v Speaker 2>Not to criminal activity type thing, but defending family members
<v Speaker 2>type stuff sometimes gets you in a little bit of trouble.
<v Speaker 2>We've both been in trouble, so we don't really carry
<v Speaker 2>him and carry stuff anyway. I don't really need to
<v Speaker 2>generally speaking. And well, he's got something moving on his left,
<v Speaker 2>and I got this thing disappearing twenty five feet away maybe,
<v Speaker 2>and uh, well, backing up, and we've reached down and
<v Speaker 2>grabbed each of us a good size chunk of out
<v Speaker 2>rip wrap because hell, I mean, I don't we don't
<v Speaker 2>think a bigfoot. So we're thinking, well, whatever it is,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're we can. We get pretty scrappy sometimes
<v Speaker 2>put some crackings on. We got a flat if I mean,
<v Speaker 2>if I don't stop, I guess it's whatever it has
<v Speaker 2>got us. It was going to go away. We didn't know,
<v Speaker 2>but we did start making a small retreat back up
<v Speaker 2>this up this hill. But neither of us instinctively didn't
<v Speaker 2>want to turn our back to anything because he's got
<v Speaker 2>something that's coming up up that hill a little quicker
<v Speaker 2>than him, I think, is what he was saying. And
<v Speaker 2>I got something that just disappeared down here, and I
<v Speaker 2>don't know where it's at now. So I'm paying back
<v Speaker 2>and forth. This time, I'm panning further and further and further,
<v Speaker 2>and this thing I see the eyes open up, but
<v Speaker 2>instead this time, instead of being just a couple of
<v Speaker 2>feet off the ground. This thing was getting, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it was looking me in the eye, basically if you
<v Speaker 2>would say to draw a line from a hill to me.
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, well, what the hell, what the hell is that?
<v Speaker 2>But before I could really get and again, I can't
<v Speaker 2>see any when I'm shining on this thing. It's not
<v Speaker 2>a great big beam like they have today, the fat
<v Speaker 2>little flashlight. It's twenty twelve. It was just going with
<v Speaker 2>what we knew we had, and we weren't big spenders
<v Speaker 2>on stuff, so I couldn't see real good. But it's
<v Speaker 2>I could drank the light so thin I can say.
<v Speaker 2>I just didn't get. I couldn't find an outline, just
<v Speaker 2>these damn eyes. They closed its eyes again real quick
<v Speaker 2>this time, well not real quick, but it slowly, but
<v Speaker 2>quicker than it did last time. And then there was
<v Speaker 2>moving on our left, and he said, hey, man, hey,
<v Speaker 2>And he backed up into me a little bit and
<v Speaker 2>started moving up the hill a little quicker. I backed
<v Speaker 2>up the hill, move a little quicker when I shine.
<v Speaker 2>Whatever it was, I was seeing bushes now like I
<v Speaker 2>should have been, and gave me the man that shook
<v Speaker 2>me a bit more. You know what the hell? Man?
<v Speaker 2>Now this now that ain't a cougar. That confirmed. Just
<v Speaker 2>no cougar, no pig, no dog, no cow, no horse.
<v Speaker 2>I ain't nothing wandering around from someone's fence breaking or something,
<v Speaker 2>or you know, someone playing games. You know, you know,
<v Speaker 2>but instinctively we neither of us want to throw them rocks.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it told us. You know, normally
<v Speaker 2>to tow something man and take off you neither of it.
<v Speaker 2>We talked a little bit, just a tiny bit about it,
<v Speaker 2>but neither of us wanted to throw them rocks later,
<v Speaker 2>you know, And so we dropped the rocks, and it
<v Speaker 2>just kind of backed up because as it is, it's
<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of that big valley basically where that
<v Speaker 2>river runs through there, and there's a backwash where a
<v Speaker 2>lot basically a big drainage ditch, and there's a little, tiny,
<v Speaker 2>little timberline right there. I think whatever it was that
<v Speaker 2>I had disappeared for the second time got back off
<v Speaker 2>in that timber line. I didn't hear that then either,
<v Speaker 2>But as we got about halfway back up that hill,
<v Speaker 2>some pretty good sized branches started breaking. But it was
<v Speaker 2>weird because it was it was breaking them on the ground,
<v Speaker 2>end up in the trees and I think got a
<v Speaker 2>good measure of that too. I mean, I mean, I
<v Speaker 2>can't prove it. I never went back to measure them,
<v Speaker 2>but I think it was breaking branches off six seven
<v Speaker 2>eight feet in the air, but it was definitely stopping
<v Speaker 2>them on the ground too. There's a difference in the
<v Speaker 2>way they break, the way they sound when they break,
<v Speaker 2>you know, And there's pretty much of a lowed, more
<v Speaker 2>auditory snap when they're in the air a little bit
<v Speaker 2>when something's on the ground, it's more of a low
<v Speaker 2>pitch thug like a chrome, you know, it's got more
<v Speaker 2>base to it. So I was hearing the loud snaps
<v Speaker 2>plus the big, basier snap from bigger branches getting stepped
<v Speaker 2>out and crunching them, talking things that are probably four
<v Speaker 2>or five inches across or maybe a little bigger. Some
<v Speaker 2>of them sounded wet when they broke, so them sounded
<v Speaker 2>dry and just continued it right up into the light there.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. But the other thing that happened when I
<v Speaker 2>first shined that light on it, and there's still traffic
<v Speaker 2>going over this bridge. Those light those eyes when I
<v Speaker 2>first seen him, and it shook me because they were
<v Speaker 2>like a yellowy golden color, but a big rig. He'd
<v Speaker 2>come down that hill coming out of Athens, that's where
<v Speaker 2>it comes from. Athans, Allinois, comes went on down through
<v Speaker 2>there into Cantrol and passed the little gas station down
<v Speaker 2>that hill into that bottom. And I think, because this
<v Speaker 2>is at the time when headlights started getting kind of
<v Speaker 2>crazy everybody, you know, it was four or five six
<v Speaker 2>different kind of colors of headlights. I don't know what
<v Speaker 2>this big rig had on it, but it was a
<v Speaker 2>different It wasn't that yellow color from the older days.
<v Speaker 2>This is when he's getting a little newer LEDs and whatnot.
<v Speaker 2>And there was a bright red shine across them. And
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen that. I've shined things. I had red eyes.
<v Speaker 2>People say that they don't have things don't have red eyes,
<v Speaker 2>But I've been seeing things that shine red. You know,
<v Speaker 2>lacoons in the right light will sometimes shine little red.
<v Speaker 2>This one shine red like a ruby red just for
<v Speaker 2>a moment, and it looked like it collected. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know how to say this. I studied past my physics
<v Speaker 2>sometimes too much, but it looked like it collected it
<v Speaker 2>or something real quick, like you almost see like a prism.
<v Speaker 2>On how to say that right and make you understand it.
<v Speaker 2>But it was almost like when light it's a prism
<v Speaker 2>or a crystal or something. I don't know, and just
<v Speaker 2>a funny little detail. And that was a major part
<v Speaker 2>of a woe factor, because I've never seen nothing quite
<v Speaker 2>like that before. And and at the same time as
<v Speaker 2>that thing was breaking branches, whatever was in the brush
<v Speaker 2>there had stopped. And as we emerged into the light again,
<v Speaker 2>we were pretty shook. I mean we didn't, you know,
<v Speaker 2>put our pants or anything or anything like that. But
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it would have tooken a whole lot more,
<v Speaker 2>to be honestly, but you know, because it was it,
<v Speaker 2>You know it to be there and have that happened
<v Speaker 2>to you. When you're only a mile from an airport
<v Speaker 2>and there's a main road running right over the top
<v Speaker 2>of you'd never think nothing, nothing like that would ever
<v Speaker 2>happen that close to well, it's not major population, but
<v Speaker 2>this is in the Midwest. I mean, in the Springfield area,
<v Speaker 2>there's six hundred and eighty thousand people. You wouldn't think that,
<v Speaker 2>but there's it's a pretty good amount of people around here.
<v Speaker 2>But neither of us wanted to go back down there.
<v Speaker 2>We sat in the car a minute trying to, you know,
<v Speaker 2>put our egos back together here and you know, talk
<v Speaker 2>a little bit like you know what that was. He
<v Speaker 2>seemed like we wanted to talk that much. I felt
<v Speaker 2>sick a little bit too, and I looked over him.
<v Speaker 2>He ain't looking good. He ain't much for the one
<v Speaker 2>for the sunlight. But I, you know, I work out
<v Speaker 2>outdoors all the time, so we're pretty sure. I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>I felt just clammy and stuff like that. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if it was a little bit of shock or
<v Speaker 2>I've never had that before. And I've had the world's
<v Speaker 2>tallest skycoaster down in Kassii, Florida, and he was never
<v Speaker 2>scared about anything like that or you know, and uh,
<v Speaker 2>not easy to scare. That scared us, and uh well,
<v Speaker 2>we went anyone official warm because he didn't want to
<v Speaker 2>put his back to whatever that was. And I agreed,
<v Speaker 2>and we went home. And when when we got back,
<v Speaker 2>uh oh, we walked in and weren't having much to say.
<v Speaker 2>And he sat down on the couch and they just
<v Speaker 2>looked at us, and our old ladies, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>just looked at us, and that's us what was wrong.
<v Speaker 2>And we just looked at each other and what's wrong.
<v Speaker 2>We both had white you look like you've seen any ghost,
<v Speaker 2>you know, And we just kind of told him a
<v Speaker 2>little bit about it, and they were like, oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>what do you think it was. I'm like, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know what it was. And I told him about the eyes,
<v Speaker 2>since I've never seen nothing with eyes like that and
<v Speaker 2>something taken off like that. Man, I've seen deer take off,
<v Speaker 2>and I've had a dog that could scoot right along
<v Speaker 2>and it took them deer a little bit to get
<v Speaker 2>away from my dog. One time, that dog come up
<v Speaker 2>to about my thigh. She was a pretty good sized dog,
<v Speaker 2>and she never caught them deer, but she got to
<v Speaker 2>give you up on them. And I know how deer
<v Speaker 2>take off. I lived out in the woods for a
<v Speaker 2>while as a kid, and there's another story in there
<v Speaker 2>for you, but that was a mile north of Springfield Airport,
<v Speaker 2>right there in the bottom of the Simmon River. You
<v Speaker 2>don't got to go deep in the woods if you
<v Speaker 2>want to have some strange encounters. And I guarantee I
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a bear, a cougar, or a horse or a
<v Speaker 2>cow or anything else. I've been around him. You don't
<v Speaker 2>act like that and going back and listening to some
<v Speaker 2>of people's stories and realized maybe I need to tell
<v Speaker 2>mine too, because things do happen in strange places. So
<v Speaker 2>that's about all for that story.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I appreciate you for sharing that. And when you
<v Speaker 1>first arrived there, you heard this vocalization. Was it a whoop?
<v Speaker 2>No, it was a hoot. It was a hoot like
<v Speaker 2>an owl, but imagine an owl. To be honest, it
<v Speaker 2>just sounded like someone was trying to sound like an owl,
<v Speaker 2>because he've even looked at me and that owl sound
<v Speaker 2>like an owl? Yeah, I mean it was a hoot,
<v Speaker 2>but it didn't sound sound like an owl. I mean
<v Speaker 2>an owl sound like a four hundred pounds you know,
<v Speaker 2>or something. I don't know. You know, you just add
<v Speaker 2>girth to the base you hear in something sometimes like yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I've also looked around and I've seen
<v Speaker 2>where tigers that live by cows can move like a cow.
<v Speaker 2>That's a tiger that can do that, so who knows,
<v Speaker 2>you know. But there's also piping that runs to the bridge,
<v Speaker 2>so you got echo effect, but I don't think it
<v Speaker 2>adds base and that kind of volume to a hoot.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And after the hoot, you heard a big animal
<v Speaker 1>take off.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a few moments later. We've kind of
<v Speaker 2>took our time. Like I said, there's ruts in there.
<v Speaker 2>And when we got down into the bridge there we
<v Speaker 2>was just like where you know, you can imagine where
<v Speaker 2>you're starting to walk in. The bridge is starting to
<v Speaker 2>get higher and higher because you're dropping and slope down,
<v Speaker 2>and of course there's that concrete pad underneath the bridge
<v Speaker 2>and for a little ways and the grass always grows
<v Speaker 2>and then you got little pools of water. But whatever
<v Speaker 2>it was had been in a pool of water, you
<v Speaker 2>can hear and you could hear all this water splash
<v Speaker 2>and then you heard it. I could hear it tracking
<v Speaker 2>swee swish swash wish, and it wasn't like the boom.
<v Speaker 2>It was wishlesslicious, and it was up and making a
<v Speaker 2>weird The only thing I've even heard sound like that
<v Speaker 2>was a not a heron, a whooping crane. They make
<v Speaker 2>that little weird squeaky squawky. I don't know if you've
<v Speaker 2>ever heard that. A whooping crane and a heron, have
<v Speaker 2>you heard him squawk or make any auditory noise? They
<v Speaker 2>sound very I don't know, almost like a baby kind of,
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of, but this was large. But it
<v Speaker 2>made other sounds with it, sounds I don't think that
<v Speaker 2>my vocals could even make. I don't, I don't. You can't,
<v Speaker 2>like just but intertwined to make three noises and then
<v Speaker 2>put them together to make it. And we can't. I
<v Speaker 2>can't do that, anybody that can't. And I just thought
<v Speaker 2>that was a funny little piece. Thinking back and the
<v Speaker 2>way it moved, you measured off it probably moved seventy
<v Speaker 2>five feet in three or four seconds, and up vertical
<v Speaker 2>probably another twenty feet, And that's why I thought, well,
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was a bird, you know, But no, because
<v Speaker 2>your mind is still trying to put it together, you know,
<v Speaker 2>after that happened, and your mind's kind of replaying real quickly,
<v Speaker 2>said what was that? You know? Meanwhile moving over here
<v Speaker 2>in the brush, and then so it's really fast. You
<v Speaker 2>don't really have time to interpret it, and nothing to
<v Speaker 2>measure it against. You just looking for something in your
<v Speaker 2>mental catalog to measure this against. And there's a is
<v Speaker 2>coming up short on it, and I still do to
<v Speaker 2>this day.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, how high off the ground was the eye.
<v Speaker 2>Shine the first time I seen it, which is why
<v Speaker 2>I never thought to think it was a cryptid creature
<v Speaker 2>of any kind. Was it was only a couple of
<v Speaker 2>feet off the ground. I'd say maybe thirty inches, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe a little more than thirty. You know,
<v Speaker 2>with the slope and the dips in the ground right there,
<v Speaker 2>you can rise or go down so quickly, you know,
<v Speaker 2>into a pool from a small ridge. So depending on
<v Speaker 2>where I measure it by that pathetic little weed it
<v Speaker 2>was trying to hide behind. It was weird. There's those
<v Speaker 2>small little details like when I shined it the first
<v Speaker 2>At first, it's like it tried to hide behind it.
<v Speaker 2>That the eyes. Oh yeah, I ain't working, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean where you are your as you're gigantic. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know what you're you know, you're really trying to do.
<v Speaker 2>You're not get a hide behind a pathetic weed. But
<v Speaker 2>I can't find an outline either, So I figured I
<v Speaker 2>know that area pretty good because I've been going down there,
<v Speaker 2>and I want to fill you in on a little
<v Speaker 2>backlog on that too. There's other little weird things, like
<v Speaker 2>people like you had been that dude, uh uh, look
<v Speaker 2>what's happening around you? Well I didn't know, but say
<v Speaker 2>thirty inches off the ground roughly, it's about how high
<v Speaker 2>they were.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrifying. And you guys got a feeling of dread, correct.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah we did. But when you're talking, it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>an absolute dread at first. It was like a mm hmm, like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>go from an ambient sound of summer to the ambient
<v Speaker 2>sound of winter in the Midwest. Do you know what
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about? So you know, things just don't echo
<v Speaker 2>and stuff in the winter like they do it. It's
<v Speaker 2>just I don't know, maybe that's a bad analogy. It didn't.
<v Speaker 2>It's not like there was a lot. There's so much
<v Speaker 2>ambient noise with the river right there and the highway
<v Speaker 2>going over that. I don't say that the cricket stopped,
<v Speaker 2>but I don't remember hearing them no more. But uh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>there was definitely like a feeling of wait, you know, whoa, whoa, whoa,
<v Speaker 2>whoa whoa. And it wasn't dread at first. It was
<v Speaker 2>just like a like a hard caution like whoa, Like
<v Speaker 2>you're getting ready to walk off a cliff and you
<v Speaker 2>and you catch yourself, or you're getting ready to miss
<v Speaker 2>a step on a stair or ladder, or something o
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, and then you know, your spidy
<v Speaker 2>senses start kicking in. So people kind of saying nowadays
<v Speaker 2>spitty senses. Your hairs on the back of your neck
<v Speaker 2>stand up. You can feel a little bit of shake,
<v Speaker 2>a tremor to you because you know, you just had
<v Speaker 2>to adrenaline dump. You know, it wasn't dread at first.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe it just takes us more to get scared,
<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't dread.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you were on high alert.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very high alert, and really for what maybe burg
<v Speaker 2>or some taking off or you know, you're trying to
<v Speaker 2>put it together real quick as it's happening. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's, you know, one of those moments. If you
<v Speaker 2>don't live it, you don't I had something similar. Is
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to it's really hard to let people understand
<v Speaker 2>how that you can go from that to that and
<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't happen.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>It takes something up in your face, life threatening right
<v Speaker 2>now to give me adrenaline dump.
<v Speaker 1>And how many creatures do you think we're in the
<v Speaker 1>area the.
<v Speaker 2>Way I look at it looking back, there had to
<v Speaker 2>have been at least three three because the one he
<v Speaker 2>said never left the left on his left. It had
<v Speaker 2>never left. It just moved up kind of purping. Oh.
<v Speaker 2>That was the other thing too. When we was moving,
<v Speaker 2>they were moving, and we thought that was pretty screwed up.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I missed that, but and because
<v Speaker 2>probably because the walk wasn't very long either. It's not
<v Speaker 2>that far. It's not like we had to walk a
<v Speaker 2>quarter mile with something pacing us. The one on the right, well,
<v Speaker 2>as he turned around, now he's on my right instead
<v Speaker 2>of my left because we just about faced. And the
<v Speaker 2>one on his right was moving very well as we
<v Speaker 2>moved and stopped, and we only stopped a couple of times,
<v Speaker 2>so you don't have much of a pool to pull
<v Speaker 2>it from from the pattern. But yeah, I was doing
<v Speaker 2>that too. And then one on the left it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>as quiet. I think that one was trying to make
<v Speaker 2>a point. But how it got into there, because it's
<v Speaker 2>pretty thick through there, I mean without me hearing it
<v Speaker 2>to start making those noises is quite the question too,
<v Speaker 2>because just getting in there with the briers and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and as a pretty feet pretty feet too, man, I
<v Speaker 2>couldn't do it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and what stuck out the most with the eyeballs
<v Speaker 1>like was it the size or the shine.
<v Speaker 2>One? It's still I would say the size the shine, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's that was pretty creepy. But the size. That's what
<v Speaker 2>you know. When you close your eyes and you start
<v Speaker 2>going back down this road again. In my memory, it's
<v Speaker 2>always the eyes. I start right there to the eyes.
<v Speaker 2>I don't start the apartment, you know, I don't start
<v Speaker 2>the second time I've seen it. I start right there
<v Speaker 2>the first time they see it when my eyes opened
<v Speaker 2>up quick and then they were clothes slow. And I've
<v Speaker 2>never seen animals don't close their eyes really that slow.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe a cat or something, but not like that, not
<v Speaker 2>that big either, in that far apart. I can't think
<v Speaker 2>of a single animal this guy's eyes that far apart
<v Speaker 2>that will look forward. Usually something the eyes are that
<v Speaker 2>far apart, they're on the other side of its head.
<v Speaker 2>It's not a predator. Predatory eyes face forward, yeah, most
<v Speaker 2>of the time, unless you're bird or something.
<v Speaker 1>Even then, it does sound like bigfoot activity. And these
<v Speaker 1>creatures are known to follow the waterway, so maybe they
<v Speaker 1>were out there fishing or possibly hunting. You guys, what
<v Speaker 1>do you think about that?
<v Speaker 2>I think that we they were there first that night.
<v Speaker 2>I think they were there first, and I think we
<v Speaker 2>encroached whatever they were doing. I went. I did go
<v Speaker 2>back down there the next day, but I was looking
<v Speaker 2>for you know, scratch marks on the on the rocks,
<v Speaker 2>any kind of hoof prints or paul prints or anything.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be mister tracker, but I may
<v Speaker 2>have been one of the last people around that was,
<v Speaker 2>you know, trapping to make money off of it. And
<v Speaker 2>I was very young when that went out. So tracking
<v Speaker 2>Red fox and Gray Fox, you know, like they'll you
<v Speaker 2>can track them a little bit, you know, kind of
<v Speaker 2>what they do in the distance in between their leaps,
<v Speaker 2>Like squirrels leave at certain distance six or seven inches,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, things leave a distance and you can
<v Speaker 2>tell if they're bipedal or a quadruped. You know, it
<v Speaker 2>was four feet or two feet or and I got nothing.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think I was really looking for the
<v Speaker 2>right stuff either man. Either way, it wasn't in on
<v Speaker 2>my radar, so I just kind of failed on that one.
<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't on my radar to look for, you know,
<v Speaker 2>a heel print or you know, maybe a knuckle print
<v Speaker 2>where they look, you know, they get down and run
<v Speaker 2>with their hands a little bit looking back after I
<v Speaker 2>know what I turned out. I just they went on
<v Speaker 2>my radar. No, I didn't see any Paul prints. There's
<v Speaker 2>no Paul Prince or nothing anywhere through there. There's a
<v Speaker 2>lot of broken grass. I didn't even look in the woodline.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to stay long and I just went home.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't didn't do too much investigation. I still kind
<v Speaker 2>of shook up actually a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, So what other experiences have you had after
<v Speaker 1>this encounter?
<v Speaker 2>It was actually that was the last well about that river.
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to add a couple of funny little things.
<v Speaker 2>I'd been going down there for a while before, about
<v Speaker 2>that summer, and it's just funny how this. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>know the difference pretty well most of the time. If
<v Speaker 2>someone throws something in the water, or something emerges from
<v Speaker 2>the water and goes back in it. So if fish flops,
<v Speaker 2>you almost hear water a different way. It's a light
<v Speaker 2>sound coming out, and you know it's like it's raining
<v Speaker 2>coming back in. It's just a different sound. And when
<v Speaker 2>something just goes throwing into the water, it generally just
<v Speaker 2>makes a good bush and you'll hear two sounds when
<v Speaker 2>something emerges from the water. And goes back in, and
<v Speaker 2>the Salmon River does a couple of s curves through there,
<v Speaker 2>and it straightens out just underneath that bridge and immediately
<v Speaker 2>does another s curve on each side of it. And
<v Speaker 2>I'm fishing facing south, and the river runs and benson
<v Speaker 2>left and the right again and starts heading to the west,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm fishing off over there because that's there's a
<v Speaker 2>current there. I already know there's a shale shelf underneath
<v Speaker 2>that river right here. I've you know, I looked in
<v Speaker 2>and you know, explore it when it was down and
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of looked at holes and stuff, and there's
<v Speaker 2>a cat, you know, hoging. You can kind of tell
<v Speaker 2>where fish would lay and look at logs, so I know,
<v Speaker 2>and I swear that sometimes a big, big fish would
<v Speaker 2>flop and I'd actually see the scales on a big
<v Speaker 2>car or something. They they get jumped in there, and
<v Speaker 2>bass to start running around and they'll jump pretty good.
<v Speaker 2>But that these things were big, and they were coming
<v Speaker 2>more and more often, so like the last time I
<v Speaker 2>was down there before i'd had him come up, I
<v Speaker 2>mean probably six or seven times. I swear something got
<v Speaker 2>thrown into that water and from the bank there. You
<v Speaker 2>cannot see up that hill and see if a car's
<v Speaker 2>parked or nothing. There's just too much gradient, there's too
<v Speaker 2>much slope and weeds and stuff, and you just can't see.
<v Speaker 2>But you generally hear people. You can hear real good
<v Speaker 2>because of that bridge right there. It makes nickel effects.
<v Speaker 2>Or you can hear people talking or walking or kicking rocks. Generally,
<v Speaker 2>if it's not too out out, you can hear that.
<v Speaker 2>I never heard nothing, not nobody anyway. But pretty soon
<v Speaker 2>after that rock, those rocks stop getting thrown. I start hearing.
<v Speaker 2>But I think and perceive as some guy chopping wood
<v Speaker 2>and he's got to be back off one hundred two
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards. It was to try to echo located or
<v Speaker 2>nothing type thing, and like to really get there and
<v Speaker 2>listen and judge. And I thought, man, this guy is
<v Speaker 2>one bad mofo. I mean, my dad come from a
<v Speaker 2>working man and his dad come from a working man's family.
<v Speaker 2>Taught me how to swing sledge and you know, and
<v Speaker 2>chop wood and single bladed, double bladed. I thought, man,
<v Speaker 2>this guy is a he's a man. He would make
<v Speaker 2>my own father and his prime just look like a chump.
<v Speaker 2>This guy is chopping so hard and so fast. I thought, man,
<v Speaker 2>world record, what are we doing here? I mean, it's
<v Speaker 2>what what what? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? Man?
<v Speaker 2>And it was hard because it wasn't It was probably
<v Speaker 2>taking a couple of echoes to get to me, you know,
<v Speaker 2>a type of situation. I don't know if that sounds good,
<v Speaker 2>but it's the way I perceive it. You know. It
<v Speaker 2>was wo and blah blah blah. You know, when he
<v Speaker 2>come to me, it's like, man, he's a little ways away.
<v Speaker 2>And that stopped after a few minutes, and I thought,
<v Speaker 2>man's and much respect guy. Because I'm a worker and
<v Speaker 2>I hear someone going to town like that, I'm like, man,
<v Speaker 2>I do bad man. And it picked back up a
<v Speaker 2>time or two doing that, and then stopped, and then
<v Speaker 2>I heard a whoop. I thought, okay, well, I thought
<v Speaker 2>i'd heard something like a fish flop or something. But
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I catch track. What we I say is trash fish,
<v Speaker 2>like a gar. I'll take a gar off and pulling
<v Speaker 2>the bush behind me, just trash fish. I don't just
<v Speaker 2>keep biting on it too, So I just take him
<v Speaker 2>and throw him back off in the brush. But I
<v Speaker 2>don't want to catch that fish again. Sometimes I'll hang
<v Speaker 2>out in the same pool. You'll catch them over and over.
<v Speaker 2>But I thought maybe face flopping or something. He'd already
<v Speaker 2>done that a couple of times, and it's about all
<v Speaker 2>I heard. Sounded like a fish flopping in the grass.
<v Speaker 2>But I heard a whoop, and it sounded like it
<v Speaker 2>was back off in that little that drainage git, that
<v Speaker 2>same drainage ditch were it's the same place. And I thought, well,
<v Speaker 2>I make a pretty good monkey sound too. I grew
<v Speaker 2>up in the eighties, you know, as a little kid.
<v Speaker 2>I was in and they say, I thought, oh, that's
<v Speaker 2>not too bad, man, I got a better one. It
<v Speaker 2>sounds like a chimpanzee and nothing. Yeah, okay, man, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can come down and fish. You don't
<v Speaker 2>gotta make stupid sounds or you just some punk ass kids,
<v Speaker 2>you know, looking for a place to smoke or something
<v Speaker 2>and just trying to bother me. And it wasn't long
<v Speaker 2>after that I got man, I'm sitting there and I
<v Speaker 2>do a Tai squat when I fish a lot. I
<v Speaker 2>don't sit on my butt or nothing. I just do
<v Speaker 2>a Thai squat. I just sit back on my just
<v Speaker 2>squat and sit like that just kind of on my heels. Well,
<v Speaker 2>I kind of sit on my balls, my feet on
<v Speaker 2>my butt, kind of rest on my heels a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>I can do that for hours. I had, or used
<v Speaker 2>to anyway, I could do that for hours. And I
<v Speaker 2>was sitting there and some a rock hit me right
<v Speaker 2>behind my ride here hard enough to make me see stars. Man,
<v Speaker 2>that pissed me off. Man, I was pretty upset about
<v Speaker 2>that pretty quick. And I did not have a gun,
<v Speaker 2>but I told him, I said, you know, in probably
<v Speaker 2>fifteen twenty seconds when I sat there, I was like, man,
<v Speaker 2>that hurt, you know. I'm you sign up a you
<v Speaker 2>know s ob you know. And I yelled back into
<v Speaker 2>the brush there, I said, I'll tell you what you
<v Speaker 2>do another f and rock at me. I'm gonna take
<v Speaker 2>this gun out and I'm gonna I'm musa send you
<v Speaker 2>some peacemakers, Buddy, I've had enough of this. You do
<v Speaker 2>that again, I'm gonna I'm gonna pound some down your throat. Man.
<v Speaker 2>I yelled it too, and I don't like it, yo,
<v Speaker 2>And I yell it carries little ways. Yeah, I had
<v Speaker 2>something blasted me right behind me here and left a
<v Speaker 2>nice little buddy. Well there you know. I said that
<v Speaker 2>everything kind of went, you know, chilling. Nothing was more
<v Speaker 2>was happening. But I was also packing up my ship
<v Speaker 2>because I want to go up to the top of
<v Speaker 2>the hill and see what was up. I wanted to.
<v Speaker 2>I want some vengeance, to be honest with you, I'd
<v Speaker 2>figured someone pulled up, you know, and I said something
<v Speaker 2>calls it pretty quiet, you know, and it could happen.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can stick up on me. I guess
<v Speaker 2>if you try hard enough, I'm catching fish or something.
<v Speaker 2>You know, sit there, waste their time moving on me,
<v Speaker 2>move with a wind or something. Nobody there, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And that was at the exact same place. That wasn't
<v Speaker 2>maybe just a few weeks later on my birthday there
<v Speaker 2>in August. That's what happened with me and my buddy Bobby.
<v Speaker 2>They're out of film, wore. That's what happened with us.
<v Speaker 2>And so I don't go to that river no more.
<v Speaker 2>I don't like fish anymore. So just like a like
<v Speaker 2>a monkey or something at me and any of the
<v Speaker 2>rock I'm pretty sure ants throwing stuff in the river.
<v Speaker 2>Looking back, I didn't know, you know, but when you
<v Speaker 2>put those experiences together, you start to see that there's
<v Speaker 2>you know, it fits a lot of other stories, and
<v Speaker 2>I think that it's just a neat story to tell
<v Speaker 2>because it's we're a mile from the airport, you know,
<v Speaker 2>just you know, three or four miles out how the
<v Speaker 2>main part of Springfield and own the capital.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is terrifying, and I can see why you
<v Speaker 1>stop fishing. Do you ever go back to that river
<v Speaker 1>during the daytime to see if anything happens or have
<v Speaker 1>you just stopped going there?
<v Speaker 2>I just don't live over there anymore, and I just
<v Speaker 2>don't go over there that much more. I've been passed
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times and only doesn't look like anything's changed.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't really stop, you know, I don't. It's
<v Speaker 2>not like I'm scared. I just don't have I try
<v Speaker 2>to be efficient, to be honest with you, I'm not
<v Speaker 2>a rich Maine. I gotta make my movements efficient and
<v Speaker 2>raising six kids, and I'm trying to stay off off
<v Speaker 2>the governments, you know, tell your family program welfare stuff
<v Speaker 2>and take all the wind out of yourself. So it's rough,
<v Speaker 2>you know. I got to make efficient movements. I just
<v Speaker 2>don't have time to stop there. A lot of time
<v Speaker 2>I try to do good work and un needed places.
<v Speaker 2>So I generally try. I generally have stuff to do,
<v Speaker 2>especially that time of year, and any other time of
<v Speaker 2>the year it's not good fishing. I don't like to
<v Speaker 2>be cold. I switch.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I understand that.
<v Speaker 2>It almost makes me happen down there to single them.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it almost makes me feel like the sasquatch go noodling.
<v Speaker 1>Like how people stick their hands like in holes and
<v Speaker 1>pull out catfish. I feel like that's how the sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>would fish.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, it's easy to do. I mean they spawn a
<v Speaker 2>certain time your catfish do, and they lay a massive
<v Speaker 2>eggs in there, and they'll clean out the entrance, so
<v Speaker 2>it'll be like silty and nearly a catfish WHI it's
<v Speaker 2>turn sandy like it's clean. Keep your hand on the bottom,
<v Speaker 2>reach in there, and if it's in there, you'll let
<v Speaker 2>your middle stick your handles and not pull up. But
<v Speaker 2>they usually have a couple of backup holes. You know,
<v Speaker 2>you got to cover the backup poles, and sometimes to
<v Speaker 2>be several of them in there. They get aggressive because
<v Speaker 2>bluegill and stuff like that will come in there and
<v Speaker 2>get their eggs, so they just they swamp whatever comes
<v Speaker 2>in there. But why wouldn't they better do it? All
<v Speaker 2>kinds of things catch fish in strange ways, but if
<v Speaker 2>you if I had fingers, that'd be the way I
<v Speaker 2>do it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely. I've interviewed several fishermen that claim they've seen
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch pull out like large mouth bass with their hands,
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I can't imagine seeing something like that.
<v Speaker 2>Funny, I was up in Denver, up in the mountains
<v Speaker 2>and I caught it a brown fish. I didn't know
<v Speaker 2>what it was. Man, I'm just an alloy boy. Man,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just caught his brown fish and I
<v Speaker 2>was like, cool, I just caught it with my hands
<v Speaker 2>right there in this little cold creek and just like wow,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and there like it's a pretty nice fish.
<v Speaker 2>I get a little brown trout. I was like, well,
<v Speaker 2>it's not. It's a nice fish at least this whole
<v Speaker 2>like bake fish. What you're talking about it. I was like, well,
<v Speaker 2>any where I'm from, we got catfish with heads wire gap.
<v Speaker 2>Oh them heads don't get you know, ten inches wide
<v Speaker 2>clog and as well, yeah they do. They get a
<v Speaker 2>bit lighter than that sometimes too. And people don't even
<v Speaker 2>people don't even believe that there's catfish that big yet
<v Speaker 2>I've seen my whole life.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they get huge. Have you had any other strange
<v Speaker 1>experiences throughout your life, like paranormal stuff for maybe you've
<v Speaker 1>seen a UFO anything else you'd like to share on
<v Speaker 1>the podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Last year, me and my daughter, I had told her
<v Speaker 2>these experiences, and I want people to know where I'm at.
<v Speaker 2>I'm I live in Taylorville and I'm coming from Springfield,
<v Speaker 2>and there's San Chris Lake is in between those two towns,
<v Speaker 2>and we're taking a little new city road over the
<v Speaker 2>Pheasant Run. I'm trying to be quick. And as you
<v Speaker 2>get on Pheasant Run Campground. Right around Peasant Run Campground
<v Speaker 2>off a new city road, Yeah, turn come back around
<v Speaker 2>the east side of Saint Crass there and there's so
<v Speaker 2>the lake would be any right, And there's a small
<v Speaker 2>little like a I don't know, I look like someone
<v Speaker 2>planted pine trees and stuff on the left. And me
<v Speaker 2>and my daughter, she's working with me now, was traveling
<v Speaker 2>down funny enough, I'm like, hey, maybe we'll see a
<v Speaker 2>big foot. There's pines right there. There's a water source
<v Speaker 2>right there. The past few days we've seen turkey do
<v Speaker 2>your great food source. There's water blah blah blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 2>And an easement is just an area that's made up
<v Speaker 2>for a different thing of power line. Can it even
<v Speaker 2>to a lake so that people are going to have
<v Speaker 2>that a public nag of assets to their lake, so
<v Speaker 2>people can't buy all of the property. But there was
<v Speaker 2>an easement cut to the timber there. And as we
<v Speaker 2>come around, we're going straight. I got a twenty twenty
<v Speaker 2>one ram Pro Master Van twenty five hundred. It's got
<v Speaker 2>a B six, pretty quiet, and I was traveling down
<v Speaker 2>that We were traveling down that road and in the
<v Speaker 2>sun is coming down off to our right, so it's
<v Speaker 2>it's probably we're heading south, so it's it's probably it's
<v Speaker 2>four o'clock. It's about four o'clock. And this is important
<v Speaker 2>this time because I seen a black shape out in
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the grass because this easement was cut
<v Speaker 2>for power lines through the timber. And we were actually
<v Speaker 2>talking about it. We were just shooting the shit about it,
<v Speaker 2>and she was always looking off in the timber, and
<v Speaker 2>I think was what she was doing, and often that
<v Speaker 2>easement and this grass, there was something black there. It's
<v Speaker 2>pretty a big black mass, is what I really just
<v Speaker 2>cann't say. I first thought, and as we're traveling on
<v Speaker 2>this road is straight and this easement kind of kicks
<v Speaker 2>off at about fifteen degrees to the right from the road,
<v Speaker 2>and as we get closer, it moved and we, like
<v Speaker 2>I said, we've just been down this road many times.
<v Speaker 2>It's just grass through there. There's nothing there. There's just
<v Speaker 2>grass and those power poles, and then on a little
<v Speaker 2>bit of timber between that and the road, brushy timber,
<v Speaker 2>and then the timber line for the lake, and it moved.
<v Speaker 2>And as I got going past it, and this is
<v Speaker 2>going to sound crazy, my thoughts is what I'm going
<v Speaker 2>to tell you about here in the moment moment tell
<v Speaker 2>you what I saw first is that it had a
<v Speaker 2>slight V shape to it. As we got closer and
<v Speaker 2>then I first seen it was about one hundred and
<v Speaker 2>fifty yards away. And you can track this on a map.
<v Speaker 2>It's as it run campground, and you can find this
<v Speaker 2>and everything you look. A's real easy. It's you can
<v Speaker 2>find that easement everything. And I was way back where
<v Speaker 2>it started to turn straight and go down and turn again.
<v Speaker 2>But before I turned it was that easement, but it
<v Speaker 2>was a V shape. As we got closer, you could
<v Speaker 2>start to make out more details like it was. It
<v Speaker 2>was black. You could see as we got closer, you
<v Speaker 2>could see a butt crack. So it was sitting down
<v Speaker 2>on the ground. But this thing was still probably you know,
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I'm a carpenter for twenty seven years,
<v Speaker 2>this thing was probably anywhere from forty because it was
<v Speaker 2>sitting in grass. I don't know exactly how to forty six.
<v Speaker 2>I'd say fifty two to maybe fifty four inches high.
<v Speaker 2>I deal with fifty four inch drywall. It's rares for
<v Speaker 2>nine foot walls. I'd say it's not every bit as
<v Speaker 2>high as I fit that fifty four inch drywall. And
<v Speaker 2>in that shape, like I said, you could see a
<v Speaker 2>butt crack. You could see a slight V shape. It
<v Speaker 2>wasn't anything like any roided out type person where they
<v Speaker 2>got a little tiny waist and all their shoulders are
<v Speaker 2>five feet wide. But it was. It did taper, but
<v Speaker 2>a blockie taper like World's Strongest Man type taper like
<v Speaker 2>Magnets or Magnuson type or Magnus Samuelson or something big
<v Speaker 2>shoulder on it and a huge, huge neck area. But
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't say there's so much distinction between the shoulders
<v Speaker 2>and the neck. But you could just see like a
<v Speaker 2>semiconical shape head. You could see its right elbow, like
<v Speaker 2>it was sitting on its butt. But it tried to
<v Speaker 2>get little and when it did it, when we got
<v Speaker 2>closer and was getting ready to get ready to go
<v Speaker 2>past it, it dip its head down. And when it
<v Speaker 2>dipped its head down, a funny thing was that the
<v Speaker 2>color of the hair. I'm a coffee drinker. If you
<v Speaker 2>hold coffee up to a light, you'll turn red if
<v Speaker 2>you don't make it too strong. It turned that color red,
<v Speaker 2>and at the very tips of it it was it
<v Speaker 2>struck me first as clear, but I suppose, you know,
<v Speaker 2>with humidity in the air and stuff, I suppose maybe
<v Speaker 2>white at the very tips of it with the clear white.
<v Speaker 2>And it was probably oh forty six forty eight inches wide,
<v Speaker 2>pretty wide, it's pretty big. And when I did that,
<v Speaker 2>it all like the funny thing, and we went past it,
<v Speaker 2>both of us. Have I just got her a new phone.
<v Speaker 2>I've got a newer phone. We both got cameras on them.
<v Speaker 2>They're both sitting right there. In fact, I even kind
<v Speaker 2>of thought about it, but I didn't grab it. I
<v Speaker 2>take a picture, and neither she and she just sitting there.
<v Speaker 2>I'm driving. But the funny thing with my mind was
<v Speaker 2>is when I went past it, I had this image
<v Speaker 2>of this thing. If I stopped right now to take
<v Speaker 2>a picture, that the thing was going to run over there,
<v Speaker 2>rip the van door off and take my kid. I'd
<v Speaker 2>never see her again. And that shook me because I
<v Speaker 2>was like, what, why would I Why would I think?
<v Speaker 2>You know, come on, and I'm getting ready to turn
<v Speaker 2>around it and I just thought, nope, don't do it,
<v Speaker 2>Just keep going, just keep going, and I did. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't even go back. I didn't try to get a
<v Speaker 2>picture of it. Later we went past that area and
<v Speaker 2>there's a pup tent not two maybe fifteen feet from
<v Speaker 2>where that thing would have been, would have been was
<v Speaker 2>sitting was a pup tent. And a pup tent, you know, figure,
<v Speaker 2>what are they? When you lay the very base of
<v Speaker 2>it out, it's maybe three and a half foot wide,
<v Speaker 2>you know what, maybe three feet tall. And then that's
<v Speaker 2>when she put it in a perspective. She's like wow,
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what you see that tent? She's
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, but you know what, now, it really puts
<v Speaker 2>it into perspective, how big and why that thing was
<v Speaker 2>because that thing was whiter than the pup tent was
<v Speaker 2>and it sat quite a bit taller, up quite a bit,
<v Speaker 2>she said, up Paller. We came home that day when
<v Speaker 2>we seen that, we each drew a picture independently. We
<v Speaker 2>didn't talk about it. She went to one room, I
<v Speaker 2>went to another, and we drew the picture and we
<v Speaker 2>gave it to her mom and it was the same picture.
<v Speaker 2>I just thought that was a funny thing because that's
<v Speaker 2>not an unpopulated area either. And that's that's about the
<v Speaker 2>end of that one.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. I appreciate you for sharing that with me. What
<v Speaker 1>do you think the creature was?
<v Speaker 2>I think based on other people's testimonies in their experiences,
<v Speaker 2>and I think it. I think it was a big
<v Speaker 2>foot just because of the girth of it in the
<v Speaker 2>semiconical head. And when you think why do things have
<v Speaker 2>a semiconical head or why would days because the muscle
<v Speaker 2>straps need somewhere to connect to have more that kind
<v Speaker 2>of bite force for that big of a jaw, you
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be able to connect that kind of tissue short
<v Speaker 2>like we would have it, you know, to have a
<v Speaker 2>stronger bite force, you need to connect those muscles up
<v Speaker 2>up higher, which would kind of make sense with you know,
<v Speaker 2>the gorilla has a bite force as strong as a bear,
<v Speaker 2>and a bear can break a bulleting ball in its mouth,
<v Speaker 2>or it could. It has a bite force to be
<v Speaker 2>able to do that. And when you're talking and I
<v Speaker 2>would say, this thing, I mean, you consider that Andre
<v Speaker 2>the Giant was five hundred and fifty pounds. This thing
<v Speaker 2>was bigger than Andrea the Giant that was sitting there.
<v Speaker 2>I've seen Andrea the Giant, you know, do the old
<v Speaker 2>leg slams and stuff. I've seen them sitting on us.
<v Speaker 2>But this thing was bigger than Andrea Giant by quite
<v Speaker 2>a bit. It was also probably two foot thick at
<v Speaker 2>least by it. But he's trying to be little too.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm six foot man, and I can get down
<v Speaker 2>pretty little. If I tried to squat down pretty small,
<v Speaker 2>I can get down pretty little. I can get down
<v Speaker 2>under three feet really easy. I got to get under countertops.
<v Speaker 2>The big guy's got to get an encounter for three
<v Speaker 2>two ags, you know. So there's that that thing's fifty
<v Speaker 2>sitting on us butt. So who knows how big it
<v Speaker 2>would have been. Standing up. But I think I think
<v Speaker 2>it was a you know people Some people called a sasquatch.
<v Speaker 2>Other people called it bigfoot. That had to have been
<v Speaker 2>what it was. It was too big to be a
<v Speaker 2>black bear or anything.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very well could have been. And I've gotten similar
<v Speaker 1>reports in the past. Okay, Jesse, what other experiences have
<v Speaker 1>you had?
<v Speaker 2>The only other thing I had is I don't really
<v Speaker 2>like to talk about this one too much. I just
<v Speaker 2>it was a long time ago, a lot of stuff
<v Speaker 2>had been, you know, it had went wrong in my life.
<v Speaker 2>I kind of had a normal life and then I
<v Speaker 2>did and all of a sudden I was living in
<v Speaker 2>the woods for a while. I was pretty young. I
<v Speaker 2>was only fifteen, and I had stacks of National geographic
<v Speaker 2>books that I read growing up, and I worked and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>So I kind of figured out how to make somewhat
<v Speaker 2>of a shelter out of pine pine boughs, from pine
<v Speaker 2>trees and stuff. And I'd made myself some kind of
<v Speaker 2>weird little shelter, And of course I made myself a
<v Speaker 2>little stick knife and went to the knife at the end.
<v Speaker 2>I had a pocket knife, and I'd learned how to
<v Speaker 2>catch the dysentery, not filter water real quick, and it
<v Speaker 2>was a terrible time. You know. I tried to bake
<v Speaker 2>fish and mud, and I didn't realize the mud was silt.
<v Speaker 2>It was runoff and chemical run off of the field
<v Speaker 2>got sick and it was a terrible, terrible, terrible time
<v Speaker 2>down there. But one night, and it's just quick and easy.
<v Speaker 2>It's a quick, easy story. And one night I went
<v Speaker 2>down there, and it was the last night I was
<v Speaker 2>down there. I'm sleeping, and I had to crawl into
<v Speaker 2>this little thing I kind of made like a pup
<v Speaker 2>tent and it's just a little a frame, you know,
<v Speaker 2>a pine bot and stick, you know. And yeah, something
<v Speaker 2>got around my ankle and yanked me only about two
<v Speaker 2>foot the quick and hard, but I could feel fingers
<v Speaker 2>that wrapped around my ankle, and it felt like that
<v Speaker 2>they wrapped around my ankle twice is how big and
<v Speaker 2>long that hand was. And it was a hand I
<v Speaker 2>could feel fingers. That was in Glen's Shoal Glenn Shoals Creek,
<v Speaker 2>one mile outside of Hillsboro, Illinois. Down there, and it
<v Speaker 2>was one mile to the west of Hillsboro Glenn Shoals Creek,
<v Speaker 2>back corner of the first field, right next to the
<v Speaker 2>creek there as you come down to the bottom, before
<v Speaker 2>you cross the creek, there's a corner field back off
<v Speaker 2>there's a timber line like a horshoe. Timber lines back
<v Speaker 2>off the left corner where that took place in it
<v Speaker 2>the next day, I mean, I don't know. I grabbed
<v Speaker 2>my hand, pulled me two feet fast and hard and
<v Speaker 2>let go. It wasn't like something nipping at my and
<v Speaker 2>grab my ants or my shoe or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>It was a hand that grabbed my ankle and it
<v Speaker 2>pulled me about two feet out of that thing, and
<v Speaker 2>I crawled back up in there, stiff as a board.
<v Speaker 2>You could have picked me up by my belt with
<v Speaker 2>two fingers. How stiff like that. I was just a
<v Speaker 2>kid and my little knife and stuff. And I got
<v Speaker 2>the next morning started making my way back up that hill,
<v Speaker 2>and I I was sticky and wet, and I beat
<v Speaker 2>all the way down my end and my shoe. I'd
<v Speaker 2>never that was the seriest thing that's ever happened, and
<v Speaker 2>he probably was that one. The other one at the
<v Speaker 2>Singer River was freaky, but at least I had someone
<v Speaker 2>there with me. And I don't know why that makes
<v Speaker 2>it better, but it made it better because being alone
<v Speaker 2>and having that happen to me at fifteen and still
<v Speaker 2>to this day, the sterious thing that's ever happened to me,
<v Speaker 2>and I've seen things and I've been places, is they're
<v Speaker 2>not savor a good man. And you know, I try
<v Speaker 2>to be a good man and a good Christian and
<v Speaker 2>I don't go to church, but I understand the values
<v Speaker 2>of being a Christian and I'm not knocking anybody else religion,
<v Speaker 2>and I just it's a good moral practice doing to
<v Speaker 2>others and don't lie and don't steal and cover it.
<v Speaker 2>That was the scariest things ever happened. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 2>so short and so ridiculously short, and nothing like that's
<v Speaker 2>ever happened. But I had went down to that creek
<v Speaker 2>my whole life. That was right next by a mile
<v Speaker 2>from my home. That's the scariest thing that's ever happening.
<v Speaker 2>It was a mile from my home right there. And
<v Speaker 2>that that river system there, that Shoal Creek eventually will
<v Speaker 2>dump into the Mississippi through other creeks and other things.
<v Speaker 2>It will through other lakes to fill up and drain again.
<v Speaker 2>It eventually will go to the Mississippi. That tells you
<v Speaker 2>something yeah, and that's that's all that's happened there.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it was bigfoot they grabbed you.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was. It had some pretty
<v Speaker 2>skinny fingers, but they were long. I don't know. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know what it was, but they were long fingers.
<v Speaker 2>I remember and being a father, you know, you have
<v Speaker 2>six kids. I got a an eighteen year old and
<v Speaker 2>well she'll be eighteen here in a couple of weeks,
<v Speaker 2>like well five days, six days, and I have a
<v Speaker 2>seventeen year old, ten year old and an eight year old,
<v Speaker 2>and I have a four year old, and I have
<v Speaker 2>a three year old. And when you put your hand
<v Speaker 2>around their little tiny wrists, is there when they're little
<v Speaker 2>bitty babies, that would be about the same if you
<v Speaker 2>wanted to add a like a comparison there. You understand
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. You put your hand around, you know,
<v Speaker 2>a three month old's leg, your hand and see how
<v Speaker 2>it wraps around it like that, but skinny thing ours
<v Speaker 2>would whole scene fat if you did that. So I
<v Speaker 2>would think if something as big as a bigfoot, and
<v Speaker 2>what I've heard they do with their hands and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I almost lean the other way towards
<v Speaker 2>towards that dog thing, which I just heard a story
<v Speaker 2>right here in Taylorville. I don't know what podcast, I
<v Speaker 2>don't want to listen to. A couple and yours is
<v Speaker 2>one of them. If that was right here at Lake
<v Speaker 2>Bertnetti and Taylorville, and they said some kind of dog
<v Speaker 2>like creature jumped across the road. So yeah, i'd been
<v Speaker 2>one of them. And they said they had longer, skinny fingers.
<v Speaker 2>I do not know. I don't propose to know, but
<v Speaker 2>it's a little piece of the puzzle.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, that's scary to think about. And there's a lot
<v Speaker 1>of dog man reports all along the Mississippi River, so
<v Speaker 1>it very well could have been.
<v Speaker 2>And my dad had My dad and my uncle were
<v Speaker 2>down there at one point in time and heard something
<v Speaker 2>scream and my uncle threw the shotgun up here. It'd
<v Speaker 2>come back down across my dad's lap. And they said,
<v Speaker 2>I had never heard something so terrifying in their life
<v Speaker 2>down there, and that was back in the sixties, early sixties.
<v Speaker 2>And my uncle asked my dad, if you wanted to
<v Speaker 2>track that creature look at him. He says, well, hell
<v Speaker 2>no is why not? He says, well, I'm scared the
<v Speaker 2>tracks would be full still. I mean, the creatu would
<v Speaker 2>still be around there somewhere, but it had walked down
<v Speaker 2>a wash or a ravine and walked back and away
<v Speaker 2>from him. But when it came up on him, just
<v Speaker 2>the woods went silent. It streamed some bloody, awful, terrible
<v Speaker 2>stream and stopped off away. People's dogs go missing around here.
<v Speaker 2>There's dogs that go missing around here. Just all of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, a bunch of dogs go missing, and then
<v Speaker 2>they'll stop. I don't know, strange things.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And when you have these types of experiences,
<v Speaker 1>you have no other route to go other than to
<v Speaker 1>strengthen your faith.
<v Speaker 2>Right. And then, well, part of this it's almost therapeutic
<v Speaker 2>to listen to other people. You know. I never did
<v Speaker 2>really give to boots what people think of me, and
<v Speaker 2>it's took me down some good pass and some bad pass,
<v Speaker 2>you know. I believe the righteous. You know, if you're
<v Speaker 2>righteous and you're telling the truth, it'll hold up to questioning.
<v Speaker 2>The truth will hold its own light. It's the lies,
<v Speaker 2>you know that you always have to defend. The truth
<v Speaker 2>will defend itself. So that's why I don't really mind
<v Speaker 2>what people think. The truth defend itself.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, and we have these experiences and we don't
<v Speaker 1>really know much about Bigfoot or dog Man, but we think, huh,
<v Speaker 1>that was something that I've never experienced before. And you
<v Speaker 1>start listening to these podcasts and you hear details that
<v Speaker 1>are very similar to the strange things you experience that
<v Speaker 1>you can't explain.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. And it's amazing to hear these other people's stories
<v Speaker 2>because you think of the safety your family too, and
<v Speaker 2>it's something that people need to know to be aware
<v Speaker 2>of so that they don't make foolish errors, especially with
<v Speaker 2>one in thirty five kids being autistic. Now, they don't
<v Speaker 2>even know what those kids are capable of right now.
<v Speaker 2>If there's people that are taking their clothes off and
<v Speaker 2>walking right at these things, doesn't it seem like autistic
<v Speaker 2>kids would almost be a target. With one in thirty
<v Speaker 2>five born, Now, you know, there's a lot of weird things,
<v Speaker 2>but when that's a pretty high percentage of people that
<v Speaker 2>are going to have that issue, you know a lot
<v Speaker 2>of people still want to go camping and little kids
<v Speaker 2>are dangerou enough, but about people that never really go
<v Speaker 2>out of being a kid. People need to be aware
<v Speaker 2>and this needs to be coming out. The sciences need
<v Speaker 2>to quit being crushed. They're suppressed. There's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>physics that's being suppressed. There's a lot of things that
<v Speaker 2>are being suppressed that need to be brought into the light,
<v Speaker 2>and this is one of them, and not only for
<v Speaker 2>our safety, but for our own history historical value. You know,
<v Speaker 2>these things have been around in history for a long time,
<v Speaker 2>and when you can control the history of things, you
<v Speaker 2>can control the future. And it feels like these things
<v Speaker 2>need to be brought out into the light, not only
<v Speaker 2>for if only. The only good reason you need is
<v Speaker 2>some more people aren't harmed by them, so we can
<v Speaker 2>understand these things a little bit better and know how
<v Speaker 2>to prepare or even our camps better, our camping areas,
<v Speaker 2>better to patrol, better to maybe bring heavier weapons or
<v Speaker 2>something more scary, you know that they might be scared
<v Speaker 2>of or they're scared lasers and stuff like that. So
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe people can just simply defend themselves a little
<v Speaker 2>better by you know, having something that would make them
<v Speaker 2>stay away. You know, for lack, I'm just tired, I'm
<v Speaker 2>reason my vocabulary. But you know, as a precaution, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I think that it needs to be brought out. People
<v Speaker 2>need to be away and quit being criticized, so heavily,
<v Speaker 2>quit being scared of what all that critici critization. And
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I said, just bring it out in
<v Speaker 2>a light and I think that your show helps do
<v Speaker 2>that quite a bit. And it's very really stick. It
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like you try to sneak stories, you know,
<v Speaker 2>fake stories, or or embellish a whole you know, a
<v Speaker 2>bunch like some some dude. That's why I chose even
<v Speaker 2>over to wiss you know, another channel to try to
<v Speaker 2>talk with you about. It is not too far from here,
<v Speaker 2>and I've seen it, and I don't think you embellish,
<v Speaker 2>and I think you let people tell the stories. I
<v Speaker 2>think we all appreciate that. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I mean there are some stories on the channel
<v Speaker 1>that seem fishy, but at the same time, if I
<v Speaker 1>don't post them, it's like what if that really did
<v Speaker 1>happen to them? And I say, hey, this isn't good enough.
<v Speaker 1>You're a lying That doesn't make me better than like
<v Speaker 1>those other researchers out there that try to make everything
<v Speaker 1>about like an unknown primate and they dismiss like the
<v Speaker 1>WU factor.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's if anything. Eventually, you know, as we
<v Speaker 2>dro older you look back at yourself and back, wow,
<v Speaker 2>I was being disingenuous to these people. You know, you've
<v Speaker 2>got to keep an open mind. You to just log
<v Speaker 2>it down and be like, well, it's a weird category,
<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna log it down. And then I know, Man,
<v Speaker 2>in a couple of years, you get a couple more
<v Speaker 2>of them, you're like, well, well maybe this isn't so Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, That's how it was. In the beginning with the
<v Speaker 1>mind speak, I was like, I don't know about that.
<v Speaker 1>Then I started getting more and more reports of it,
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, Okay, well I better be more
<v Speaker 1>open minded to it because a lot of people are
<v Speaker 1>saying the same things, and I just can't dismiss it anymore.
<v Speaker 2>I just heard a new review, a new article talking
<v Speaker 2>about autistic kids. Had they thinking they might be able
<v Speaker 2>to have that ability? So we don't know, and like,
<v Speaker 2>they know a lot of stuff, but at the end
<v Speaker 2>of the day, they only know what they're paid to know.
<v Speaker 2>A lot of times, yeah, absolutely an assault. But observations
<v Speaker 2>first in all sciences, Yeah, that's true for that. A
<v Speaker 2>lot of times they ignore that. A lot of times
<v Speaker 2>physics rule science. Observation.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the sad thing is that the cryptid subject is
<v Speaker 1>just one of many topics that are being suppressed and
<v Speaker 1>we're not being that, we're not being told the truth
<v Speaker 1>about it. And it makes me wonder. Like I always
<v Speaker 1>heard that the Native Americans would only camp in one
<v Speaker 1>area for so long, and they'd move off eventually because
<v Speaker 1>like they they deplete, like the food sources, and like
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to like go to the bathroom in
<v Speaker 1>the same area for so long, so they move because
<v Speaker 1>they're aware of diseases for the most part. But now
<v Speaker 1>it makes me wonder about cryptids, like were these were
<v Speaker 1>the Native Americans aware of cryptids and they were so
<v Speaker 1>were they moving from area to area to get away
<v Speaker 1>from these things to not become a target?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And you know, if anything, that's where the idea
<v Speaker 2>that you might be prejudice comes from. That's your way
<v Speaker 2>of saying, oh man, you know, bad things happen if
<v Speaker 2>you stay around here too long. It's your ability to
<v Speaker 2>to look at things and survive. You have to move.
<v Speaker 2>It's the only constant is change. And you're right, you're
<v Speaker 2>gonna poison places. They knew how to use every piece
<v Speaker 2>of an animal, yet they would still move. Yeah. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 2>when things start to make sense. It's one piece. You know,
<v Speaker 2>the more you learn, the more you learn if that
<v Speaker 2>piece goes there, this piece goes there, this piece goes there,
<v Speaker 2>and that You know, people that lived every day to live,
<v Speaker 2>they didn't make a whole lot of wasted movements. Difference
<v Speaker 2>between an experienced carpenter and non experienced carpetter. You don't
<v Speaker 2>have that many wasted movements, and you can get a
<v Speaker 2>lot more done the same amount of time. Why would
<v Speaker 2>people have done anything different with their time here. They
<v Speaker 2>had to be efficient, they had to do things that
<v Speaker 2>made sense. They had to protect the women and children. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. It kind of reminds me of that old movie
<v Speaker 1>called The Land Before Time, and it's like the dinosaurs
<v Speaker 1>are moving to find an area where there's no t
<v Speaker 1>rex's or predators, and maybe that's what the Native Americans
<v Speaker 1>were doing.
<v Speaker 2>Well, they drew the picture of the what we call
<v Speaker 2>the stegosaurus and said it was a small mosture and
<v Speaker 2>it was mean, don't here in America.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of ancient paintings around the world
<v Speaker 1>where they depict dinosaurs exactly how science depicts them.
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of things, a lot of things that
<v Speaker 2>are being suppressed and hopefully maybe this is the age
<v Speaker 2>of awakening. But sometimes when you're aware of stuff, it
<v Speaker 2>doesn't doesn't make things easier. You're just aware.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the age of awakening, but it's also the
<v Speaker 1>age of deception. So we'll know about it, but will
<v Speaker 1>it be the truth?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. The devil has a FOURD tongue, and
<v Speaker 2>the older I get it and the more you see it.
<v Speaker 2>There is evil in the world. There is evil.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, evil does exist the way I.
<v Speaker 2>Can describe it, you can call it fall it on
<v Speaker 2>whatever God or religion. But there is evil in the world. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I definitely believe that Satan is rome in
<v Speaker 1>the earth and evil exists in a spiritual form as well,
<v Speaker 1>but it also exists in the mind.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Okay, absolutely, Jesse.
<v Speaker 1>Do you have anything else that you'd like to share?
<v Speaker 1>Anything else you can think of?
<v Speaker 2>The only thing I'd really like to share is to
<v Speaker 2>ask people to go ahead and you know, share your
<v Speaker 2>story as simple as they are. It's sometimes the location
<v Speaker 2>and time and it's all makes sense. It matters, and
<v Speaker 2>if there's people like you out there, you finally have
<v Speaker 2>a place to you can lay this down and felt Okay.
<v Speaker 2>To do it to me, and I had a long
<v Speaker 2>time to do it, so that's whus theory is how
<v Speaker 2>I chose to do it, and I'm happy for it.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for getting the opportunity to speak.
<v Speaker 1>And I know there's someone out there listening that's been
<v Speaker 1>holding their tongue for a long time. And I hope
<v Speaker 1>you open up and share your encounter with everyone.
<v Speaker 2>Sure will. If I find anything around here, I may
<v Speaker 2>get into it a little bit and not find anything
<v Speaker 2>around here. I'll stay in.
<v Speaker 1>Touch with you absolutely. And if you run across someone
<v Speaker 1>else who's had like bigfoot or dog man encounter, send
<v Speaker 1>him my way.
<v Speaker 2>I got an email, I'll send you. Okay, give me
<v Speaker 2>a couple of days and i'll get a story a
<v Speaker 2>little bit better.
<v Speaker 1>All right, that sounds good. All right, Jesse. I know
<v Speaker 1>you had a long day at work, and I appreciate
<v Speaker 1>you for taking the time to share these encounters and
<v Speaker 1>experiences with everyone on the channel. And yeah, let me
<v Speaker 1>know in the future what else you find out.
<v Speaker 2>Sure will. All right, you take care man, all right,
<v Speaker 2>Thank you you too, all right? Thank you.
<v Speaker 1>Jesse's experiences raise serious questions not just about what's out there,
<v Speaker 1>but how long it's been there, and how aware we
<v Speaker 1>truly are of our surroundings in remote areas. If you
<v Speaker 1>live near rivers, forest corridors, or areas where pets and
<v Speaker 1>livestock go missing, pay attention patterns matter. Jesse came forward
<v Speaker 1>to share his story not for attention, but to bring
<v Speaker 1>awareness and help keep people safe. If you were someone
<v Speaker 1>you know has had a bigfoot or unexplained encounter, I
<v Speaker 1>want to hear from you. You can reach out at
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatchthory at outlook dot com if you would like to
<v Speaker 1>share your experience and log it down on the channel
<v Speaker 1>for research purposes. And yet it sounds like Jesse ran
<v Speaker 1>into a clan of Sasquatch that were being very territorial
<v Speaker 1>about him fishing in their area. The other creature that
<v Speaker 1>he encountered certainly does sound like Bigfoot, but it makes
<v Speaker 1>me wonder if it was dog man. And when he
<v Speaker 1>got pulled out of his sleep, that does sound like Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>But he also mentioned there was a dog man encounter
<v Speaker 1>near so you just never know. I feel like if
<v Speaker 1>it would have been dog Man, he wouldn't be here
<v Speaker 1>today to tell the story. And they don't typically toy
<v Speaker 1>around with people like Bigfoot does Bigfoot. They can be
<v Speaker 1>tricksters and they'll mess with people when they're in their camps,
<v Speaker 1>but I don't typically hear of people being messed around
<v Speaker 1>with by a dog man, and I just don't think
<v Speaker 1>it was, but it very well could have been. He
<v Speaker 1>said there were long, skinny fingers, and the description he
<v Speaker 1>gave sent chills down my spine. Thank you everyone for listening,
<v Speaker 1>and until the next one, remember we are not alone
<v Speaker 1>out there.