No Stupid Questions with Max Corcoran: Horse Care Tips and Truths from Olympic Groom and Eventing Insider (Sponsored by - YETI and Connaway & Associates)

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You should be able to look at your
horse and be like, it's, you know, is it

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getting fitter or is it getting skinnier?

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'cause skinny is not fit.

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Horse care could feel
like a full-time job.

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One day your horse is calm and shiny.

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The next, they're pacing puffy or
blowing through your aids and you're

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left wondering if it's ulcers, their
joints, or just mercury in retrograde.

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/Today I'm sitting down with Max
Corcoran Olympic level groom, a

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venting insider, and the go-to person
when top riders need their horses

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feeling and performing their best.

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She's managed the care of horses at the
biggest competitions in the world, and

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today she's here for us, the amateurs,
the 5:00 AM hay throwers, the after work

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riders trying to do right by our horses,
even when the to-do list never ends.

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We're talking about joint support,
when to start and what actually works.

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What to do with horses who are too fresh.

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Smart routines for recovery and show prep
and how to keep your horse happy and sound

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even when you're the entire barn staff.

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So grab a coffee, a curry comb,
or whatever you multitask with.

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This is your hour with the barn,
Bessie, you didn't know you needed.

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Dear Horse World, it's Max Corcoran

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Max.

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Welcome to the New Horse World Podcast.

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Wow.

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Thank you for having me.

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I'm finally, yes, finally.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So for everyone who's listening,
watching Max, and I've known Nicola

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a long time, she is one of our
masterclass instructors on the platform.

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She is a total legend and many people in
the industry know this, but for every,

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for everyone who's listening or watching
that doesn't know who you are, why don't

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you share a little bit about who you are?

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Who am I?

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Who am I?

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Um, I am, um, I am a, a longtime
groom, um, horse advocate.

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I guess.

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I am, uh, still do some grooming,
but now I am an event organizer

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and, um, and amongst other things,
I guess wear a lot of hats.

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But that's fun.

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You're like, I would say you're
an advocate within the industry.

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You're very much contributing to thought
and policy and giving back a lot.

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Specifically in the event in Y City.

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Yes.

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Right.

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Could you share a little bit
with everyone, some of your

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like, career highlights?

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'cause you have worked with and been
to the biggest events that the three

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day eventing Sport has to offer?

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Really?

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Yeah.

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I mean, I've been pretty lucky
that I've been to, I've been in

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different capacities to five different
Olympic games I've been to, um.

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Probably that many world championships
and Pan American games and all the

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badminton and burley's and um, and
the, you know, only five star I haven't

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been to is, is Adelaide, which I
would love to get to at some point.

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Just keeps wiggling on the
calendar, the wrong place.

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But, um, yeah, I'm pretty, pretty lucky.

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I've gotten to work with some pretty
incredible people and have got to

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travel with some wonderful horses
and meet great people along the way.

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And, um, yeah, I'm just, uh,
you know, what's, what's next?

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It's more to come.

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Lovely.

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Pretty exciting.

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Yeah.

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Pretty lucky.

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Actually, before we dive in, 'cause this
is a no stupid questions episode, so

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we have all these really cool questions
from our membership that were very

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excited that they were gonna get to ask
Max Corcoran directly some questions.

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Um, but actually I have
a question for you.

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So, of all the events, of all the
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on, like the international stage
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competitions, what's your highlight?

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Like your all time favorite moment?

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My all time favorite moment.

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There are a lot of them.

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Um, one of my favorite moments for
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was when Karen and little Theodore
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And, um, just being able to
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the national anthem with him.

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And he, I have a great picture that
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of standing there, you know, with my
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anthem and he just wrapped his head
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me and nearly knocked me over.

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And he was just a little tiny thing.

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And I just loved that moment
that he was, you know, he had no

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idea what he meant to the world.

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And, um, and he was just a, just
a do with an itchy face, you know?

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It was just such a cool thing.

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And, um, yeah, just it, that was sort of
a moment that I'll remember forever, um,

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standing there in the middle of that ring.

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The PanAms were, you know, they
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It wasn't, um, wasn't like it
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intermediate level competition.

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So it was a big deal.

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It was a big deal for, um, he
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needed a hero at that time too.

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We were going through a lot of
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and people that were getting
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And so Teddy was sort of a, he, he
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Do you know?

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Does that make sense?

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So that was, uh, definitely a high point.

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And uh, I'd say the London Olympics
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Weren't they London?

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They were just so epic, so outstanding.

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And to be right there in the middle of
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usually the Olympics for equestrian
were, were far away because we need

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the space and we need the land.

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And what they did at
London was just incredible.

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It was, uh, very special.

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I mean, literally right downtown.

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I mean, it was, it would
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Having the Olympics in Central Park.

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It just was so great.

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That was the first Olympic Games that
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Kind of view.

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And everyone's like,
you totally got ruined.

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You did.

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You did.

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It's never gonna be the same.

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I was like, oh, they're not all I
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ones like Versailles was beautiful and
amazing, but London being right there

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and we were so close to everything.

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Is no like, I remember
that's how the blog ended up.

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Fun fact.

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That's how the blog ended up going viral.

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'cause I'd only started no off
flight.com, like two, three

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months before the Lenin Olympics.

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Wow.

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And I didn't have any media accreditation.

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Oh wow.

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And all these different
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All poured in their extra tickets
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to sit something in the stands.

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That's so cool.

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With a 300 millimeter lens.

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Oh my photos of the event.

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That's so cool.

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And then after, 'cause I knew some
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into the, you know, people would
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And well, the one that was Right
outside the Right, exactly.

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And so I got all these photos
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their medals and that's how the
blog like kind of kicked out.

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That's pretty cool.

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Was it was all this behind.

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So it's like that was
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There's like one of these
moments where you, you don't

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realize, I had no idea I was 25.

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I had no, I was like, oh no, all,
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Like no.

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Everyone's like, no, not quite.

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And again, like nowadays, there's no
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media representative at photos like that.

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Just I blossom everywhere.

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They were all over.

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I sent 'em to the riders.

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I was like.

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There would be a lot of
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Okay, let's dive in.

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Oh, actually, before we
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This is not the, this is like
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month that Teddy has come up.

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Oh, funny.

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So for those who are not like, who
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listeners of the podcast who are not
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So let's actually, I would love
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because he's kind of a legend.

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He is.

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And not kind of He is a legend.

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And when I've now heard him like multiple
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saying, okay, let's talk about this horse.

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Well he was a pony for starters, right?

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What, how tall was he?

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He was 14, one.

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That's insane.

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Um, he was a tiny little guy and,
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I remember her name was Kristen,
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Was she came to get lessons from Karen
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teaching him his flying changes.

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And so she came and Karen
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What is, what is this?

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And I said, well, that, that's
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She's like, this is like this little
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And Karen said, well, flying changes,
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And yet we'd known that this
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You sort of catch those little ones
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at an event, had already gone through
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trying to figure out how to maybe she
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Its flying changes so long and long of it.

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Uh, Kristen ends up moving to Australia
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at that point they called him Connor.

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His show name was Theodore Connor.

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He was a thoroughbred.

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Half thoroughbred out of the horse.

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Sara's name was Theodore.

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Um, so funny that his name was Theodore.

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Theodore.

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And then, yeah.

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And then the, the mother was, um, half,
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What, so he was, or maybe she was a
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So he was definitely a
mutt of, yeah, of sorts.

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But, um, so he, so when he was born,
he had a temper and this thing was a,

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and was like, you know, that's the same
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same thing that killed him in the end.

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So he, um, would, um, I guess when he
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And so the woman that bred him when
Norman said, uh, called him Connor because

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she reminded him, uh, what's his name?

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Uh, the tennis player.

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Who had the temper?

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Um, uh, Jimmy Connor.

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So that's why he got the
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Mm-hmm.

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And so it just sort of rolled.

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So when he came to us, we thought it was
very odd that we couldn't call him Connor.

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'cause that was like
Connor, Karen O'Connor.

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Connor.

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Connor, Connor.

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That's just, so he became Ted Teddy,
super Ted, um, and he came and he

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was, he hadn't been ridden in a
few months except for by a kid, you

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know, twice a week or something.

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And he was so fat, and
his mane was so long.

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And I said to Karen, Karen said,
well, I'm supposed to be taking

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him to Radner in two months.

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And I was like, you're gonna, what?

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And Radner at that time was long
format steeplechase roads and track.

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Oh my thing.

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Oh my gosh.

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I was like, you are a dreaming sister that
said this is, and she said, no, no, no.

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You gotta, like, I really think
this, I think he's gonna be cool.

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I think he's gonna be all right.

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And so little by little we sort
of, um, you know, knocked off

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the dust and pulled his mane.

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And, and then as soon as he pulled
his mane it went straight up in the

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air, which was a little bit his thing.

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Anyway.

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Um.

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And, and he bega.

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He was very skeptical of
all of us to begin with.

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And then he, you know,
slowly became to trust us.

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And, um, but he was, he was
very, um, he, his flight, um,

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reactions were really aggressive.

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Oh, very, very aggressive.

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So you had to always be almost like one
half a step in front of Ted all the time.

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You know, you put Hove dressing on him
and he'd sort of do this, and then he'd

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lean his feet way back, and then he'd sort
of look it up, like, dude, tough foil.

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And so, you know, you just had to,
and so you couldn't like, you know,

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be like, come on buddy, you gotta be
like, well, you're fine, you're good.

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Like, take him off the cross
eyes, let him sniff it.

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Like you just had to sort of do that.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then he just knew that, and then one
day he was fine with it, do you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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But it was, he just always had
to stay sort of a half a step

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ahead of him all the time, which
was, which was not always easy.

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But anyway, long and long of
it, he and Karen became, uh,

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instant best friends and.

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The, there's such a great story.

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He just, you know, went from strength to
strength and kept coming up the levels,

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and suddenly it was getting ready to go
to Kentucky and Karen's like, I think

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we're gonna enter him at Kentucky.

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I'm like, I think you're not.

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I was like, David, I
think she hit her head.

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Um, but David believed in it too.

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And we all, in our, in our
hearts, we believed in them.

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We just, um, as Karen said, she
was so worried about on cross

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country, she was either gonna make
her career or break her career.

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She didn't want people to ever think
that she was showing this pony what he

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couldn't do, and that he what he could do.

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You know, she, she knew that he could do
it, but if there was, you know, and, and

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when you're at a big five star like that,
there's a lot of luck that goes into it.

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And yeah, a lot of you don't know
if someone's dog's gonna get loose.

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You don't know if it's gonna rain.

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You don't know if it's, you
know, someone's gonna open an

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umbrella sugar, you know, you
just don't know these things.

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And she just wanted, and there's stakes.

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It's really high stakes.

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Yeah.

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And so it was.

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It was very high stress.

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It was, you know, 14 one.

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He hadn't had the best lead
up to the, to the event.

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I mean, he did, he just was so cheeky.

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He just, every now and then at the water
jump, he'd be like, no, you know, and, and

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then he'd be fine and Karen would little,
but, um, but he was, he was kind of had a

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sense of humor when it, as he got bigger.

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But anyway, so, um, Kentucky
was amazing and he was third one

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year and fifth the next year and
went to the Pan Ams and won that.

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And, uh, yeah.

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And then, then, um, we're hack
into the ring one day and he spun

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around and nearly dropped me off.

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And I got off of him to lean him
back up and he bolted back to the

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barn and cut his leg and that was it.

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We had to put him down, cut his leg.

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Yep.

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He cut his leg, um, from the B because
he didn't wear back boots ever except

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for when he went cross country.

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'cause he just, he would
try to kick him off.

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He was just hated back boots.

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So he cut everything from like, the
bone was the only thing holding his leg.

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And it was just one of those things
you just couldn't do anything about.

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Wow.

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His

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flight instinct was so strong
and Karen was on Man Diba, who

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also had a very strong flight
instinct, and the two of them just

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turned around and bolted and ran.

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He ran Karen right into the woods.

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I held on for a bit, but then I, I was
getting drug and I had to let go and

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we're not really sure exactly where
he cut his leg, but when we, when he

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finally stopped, um, it was, that was it.

334
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Yeah.

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It was pretty, it was a very bad day.

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It was a very bad day.

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It's one of those days you
will always, you know, everyone

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says, oh, how was your day?

339
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Oh, it was bad.

340
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I was like, define bad.

341
00:14:02,745 --> 00:14:04,574
It, was it bad that you're
gonna remember it in three days?

342
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Is it bad that you're gonna
remember in three months or is

343
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it bad that you're gonna remember
it in three years or forever?

344
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And then this one is forever.

345
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I, I still have nightmares of, of
not being able to do, like, you

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know, it's my job to protect him
and I couldn't that day, you know?

347
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So it's a, one of those
things that you just can't.

348
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Um, you can't take back.

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Um, and you can't change.

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So you just have to figure out
how to deal with it and get

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on with it, which was tough.

352
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And also we, he was supposed
to go to England that summer.

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Um, he was shortlisted for the
Olympic games in, uh, in Hong Kong.

354
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Um, and I I, it was one of those things
like, you just really wish the rest of

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the world got to see him and know him.

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'cause he was such, um, an anomaly.

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And he was really cool.

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And he was a, such a, a dude, you know?

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And he, and he just, he
really loved his people.

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And so that was, uh, that was a, that
has still a hard pill to swallow to,

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you know, along a lot, um, a lot.

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So it was, um, you know, other horses
will come and go, but there's those

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ones that sort of sit on at Yeah.

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That you just, what if,
what if, what if, you know?

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And, um, you know, we talk about,
I think it's helpful for people

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listening because I think we do
a lot of that in the north world.

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Yeah.

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And because they're in a lot of
situations like that, it's such

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high stakes, high consequences.

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Yeah.

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In your.

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And, and like that, like that's
such an a, such a reminder of

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how quickly things can shut.

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So volatile, you know?

375
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And I think that a lot
of us do a lot of that.

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What, oh, what if I had
just done this there?

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Or what if I had taken a different step?

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Or what if I had slowed down?

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Or what if I had turned another
direction, whatever, you know?

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And we, it was, you know, same
path we took to the barn, to

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the, to the ring every day.

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And come to find out there was
a bear that was sitting in the

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tree at the very top of the hill.

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00:15:47,595 --> 00:15:48,194
Oh, wow.

385
00:15:48,225 --> 00:15:48,495
Yeah.

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So it was just, you know, again,
I was like, well, I can't blame

387
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the dude, but you didn't, did
you have to react like that Ted?

388
00:15:54,915 --> 00:15:55,155
You know?

389
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We're like, come on buddy.

390
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It was, uh, yeah.

391
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And it was just, it was just it.

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'cause it also affected
so many people, you know?

393
00:16:01,694 --> 00:16:04,665
'cause so many people
loved him and, and Yeah.

394
00:16:04,755 --> 00:16:07,515
You know, and it was, uh,
so it was, it was a lot.

395
00:16:07,814 --> 00:16:08,444
Yeah, it was a lot.

396
00:16:08,595 --> 00:16:10,155
I find those horses are the ones.

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The steads too.

398
00:16:12,495 --> 00:16:13,275
They just, yeah.

399
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Really, really, really bright.

400
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Yep.

401
00:16:15,344 --> 00:16:15,615
Yep.

402
00:16:15,704 --> 00:16:16,185
Exactly.

403
00:16:16,515 --> 00:16:17,444
They, uh, are gone.

404
00:16:17,594 --> 00:16:17,805
Yeah.

405
00:16:17,805 --> 00:16:20,234
It's funny you say that 'cause
I remember David talking,

406
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talking me through a lot of it.

407
00:16:22,665 --> 00:16:25,574
'cause they'd obviously had experienced
themselves, you know, with that.

408
00:16:25,574 --> 00:16:28,875
And he and I, he said, you know, Ted,
these candle just burned too bright.

409
00:16:29,505 --> 00:16:32,984
And so, and, and it was interesting
'cause that year in 2008, we'd

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had two horses killed at Kentucky.

411
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We'd had, um, another
horse die someplace else.

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And it just, there was a lot that,
um, a horse with, uh, ruptured, they

413
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order actually from our farm that had
ruptured they order at Jersey Fresh.

414
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And, um, so we, it was, it was just
a, um, a bad time and for the sport.

415
00:16:53,145 --> 00:16:56,865
Um, and it was interesting we
said it was, it's interesting that

416
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he, he chose to do that at home.

417
00:16:58,395 --> 00:16:58,755
Hmm.

418
00:16:58,814 --> 00:17:00,795
That there was, that it
wasn't in the public.

419
00:17:00,795 --> 00:17:03,165
That it was, you know, if it
was gonna, you know, again,

420
00:17:03,224 --> 00:17:04,365
everything happens for reason.

421
00:17:04,454 --> 00:17:06,464
Uh, don't always know
all the reasons why, but.

422
00:17:07,185 --> 00:17:09,975
That was one of those things
that it was, um, yeah.

423
00:17:10,155 --> 00:17:11,595
Trying to make sense of all that.

424
00:17:11,595 --> 00:17:16,965
But anyway, super Ted was amazing and
he had, he had his friends and he made a

425
00:17:16,965 --> 00:17:19,605
lot of people believe, and he was a hero.

426
00:17:19,935 --> 00:17:21,765
He definitely were a cape.

427
00:17:22,185 --> 00:17:22,935
He was a good boy.

428
00:17:23,025 --> 00:17:23,595
Sounds amazing.

429
00:17:23,595 --> 00:17:23,835
Yeah.

430
00:17:23,835 --> 00:17:25,065
14 one man.

431
00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,465
14 was, he was, he was this big.

432
00:17:27,885 --> 00:17:29,805
I could lean on him
when I was praising him.

433
00:17:29,805 --> 00:17:30,615
Amazing.

434
00:17:30,705 --> 00:17:31,725
Yeah, he's a good boy.

435
00:17:32,025 --> 00:17:35,055
That's like small but mighty.

436
00:17:35,475 --> 00:17:35,745
Yeah.

437
00:17:35,835 --> 00:17:38,955
And he, you know, Karen didn't know
if we was gonna be fit enough, you

438
00:17:38,955 --> 00:17:42,495
know, what if, what if, what if on
the cross country at Kentucky, you

439
00:17:42,495 --> 00:17:43,995
know, and he had a huge stride.

440
00:17:43,995 --> 00:17:48,555
It took Karen A. Little bit to, um, to
figure that out at the higher levels

441
00:17:48,555 --> 00:17:50,085
because the stride was a horse stride.

442
00:17:50,085 --> 00:17:52,905
Even though he was little,
he still had that big step.

443
00:17:52,905 --> 00:17:56,985
And so it took, um, it took
probably six to eight months of, of

444
00:17:56,985 --> 00:18:00,465
really working on it over smaller
jumps to understand his step.

445
00:18:00,465 --> 00:18:02,415
And so she, then she
could be more accurate.

446
00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:06,540
And the accuracy is what also, I mean,
Karen's just a freakishly good rider.

447
00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,880
If anybody wants to see the magic that
can happen, his round at 2007, you can

448
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:17,100
Google it for, on the Kentucky three day
event is the most epic cross country ride.

449
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:17,880
Karen.

450
00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:20,130
I mean, like, she's, she's amazing.

451
00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,070
But that ground is like the
round, you should, everybody

452
00:18:23,070 --> 00:18:24,210
should use it to teach people.

453
00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:26,010
'cause it is just incredible.

454
00:18:26,010 --> 00:18:30,510
The balance, the pace, the speed, the,
she would see these jumps so far out.

455
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:30,960
Wow.

456
00:18:31,020 --> 00:18:32,130
And she was incredible.

457
00:18:32,130 --> 00:18:33,510
It was just an incredible round.

458
00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:37,050
It's, and I still, every time I watch
it, I cannot watch at the very end.

459
00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:40,980
I cry every, every, I watch it so many
times and almost every time I'm like,

460
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:43,830
so say again.

461
00:18:44,010 --> 00:18:44,460
Which one?

462
00:18:44,550 --> 00:18:47,190
Um, 2007 in Kentucky, three day event.

463
00:18:47,670 --> 00:18:48,810
Teddy O'Connor and Karen.

464
00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,525
And it's on YouTube, but
you can Google people.

465
00:18:50,580 --> 00:18:50,790
Okay.

466
00:18:51,090 --> 00:18:52,290
We'll put the link in the show.

467
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,770
Oh my God, it's so great because I'm
gonna, I know what I'm watching after.

468
00:18:55,770 --> 00:18:56,070
I know.

469
00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:56,725
How should we wrap this?

470
00:18:57,030 --> 00:18:58,560
I know, I know.

471
00:18:58,650 --> 00:18:59,190
I know.

472
00:18:59,670 --> 00:19:01,485
Just because you and I sitting here Yeah.

473
00:19:01,545 --> 00:19:02,625
Crying in the podcast.

474
00:19:02,625 --> 00:19:02,925
Oh my.

475
00:19:03,465 --> 00:19:04,575
No, don't make me do it, please.

476
00:19:05,745 --> 00:19:06,045
Okay.

477
00:19:06,045 --> 00:19:06,735
Just get a little quiet.

478
00:19:08,895 --> 00:19:09,195
Okay.

479
00:19:09,195 --> 00:19:10,605
So we've opened the jar.

480
00:19:10,635 --> 00:19:11,055
Okay.

481
00:19:11,655 --> 00:19:13,395
And now we're gonna shake up the jar.

482
00:19:13,485 --> 00:19:13,965
Oh God.

483
00:19:14,085 --> 00:19:15,945
And I wrote these today.

484
00:19:15,945 --> 00:19:19,185
Sometimes they're printed, sometimes
written, and I've learned as I've

485
00:19:19,185 --> 00:19:22,665
done throughout this season that
I should read them because my, I

486
00:19:22,665 --> 00:19:24,555
have chicken scratch for writing.

487
00:19:25,185 --> 00:19:26,655
I am not a school teacher.

488
00:19:27,225 --> 00:19:29,025
I do not have to me either writing.

489
00:19:29,745 --> 00:19:30,045
Okay.

490
00:19:30,105 --> 00:19:31,005
First question.

491
00:19:32,955 --> 00:19:36,705
What does your care and management
routine look like ahead of a

492
00:19:36,705 --> 00:19:38,865
show, the weeks leading up?

493
00:19:39,135 --> 00:19:42,735
Anything special you do to
ensure that your horse is

494
00:19:42,735 --> 00:19:44,955
feeling the best on the big day?

495
00:19:45,225 --> 00:19:46,575
Ooh, that's a great question.

496
00:19:46,725 --> 00:19:54,435
Um, that is, I always, I like to do like
a big calendar, um, for the year and for

497
00:19:54,435 --> 00:19:55,965
the month too, but mostly for the year.

498
00:19:55,965 --> 00:19:56,685
So then you can.

499
00:19:57,060 --> 00:19:59,910
Figure out if your big show say
is Kentucky, and you, then you

500
00:19:59,910 --> 00:20:01,830
work your way backwards too.

501
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:06,180
So you make sure that, um, you know,
where your competitions are leading

502
00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:09,540
up to it, when the hor vet's gonna
come out and check on your horse

503
00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:11,940
when your farrier coming to do this.

504
00:20:12,030 --> 00:20:16,379
Um, so it's sort of a, you make a, you
make a plan three months in advance,

505
00:20:16,379 --> 00:20:20,520
plus months in advance to, to lead up to
that very special day, to that very time.

506
00:20:20,970 --> 00:20:23,640
Um, something like Kentucky, or
even if it's like the American

507
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,040
Betting Championship, whatever
your goal is for that year.

508
00:20:26,550 --> 00:20:29,190
Um, and you know, you always
want, like, we always made sure

509
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:33,300
our horses got their, their final
shoeing 10 days before the trot up.

510
00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:34,440
Ooh, good point.

511
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:34,920
I love that.

512
00:20:35,490 --> 00:20:38,460
Which is good because if you, for whatever
reason, if they got an abscess, usually

513
00:20:38,460 --> 00:20:41,850
an abscess will come up, you know, two to
three days after they've got their shoes.

514
00:20:41,910 --> 00:20:42,150
Yeah.

515
00:20:42,420 --> 00:20:44,760
And in that 10 days you
have time to fix something.

516
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:47,910
Um, and they also, they also
have had their feet trimmed

517
00:20:47,910 --> 00:20:49,830
a little bit and so, um.

518
00:20:50,625 --> 00:20:53,175
At 10 days, they're, they're
comfortable in their feet, do you know?

519
00:20:53,175 --> 00:20:55,545
And they, there's no, they if
their got trimmed too short

520
00:20:55,545 --> 00:20:56,805
or, you know, whatever it is.

521
00:20:57,225 --> 00:20:59,295
Um, so 10 days is sort
of that magic number.

522
00:20:59,685 --> 00:21:03,015
Um, and then usually, you know,
you know, usually the beginning of

523
00:21:03,015 --> 00:21:06,075
the season we'll have the vet come
and do a once over on the horses.

524
00:21:06,075 --> 00:21:06,165
Mm-hmm.

525
00:21:07,335 --> 00:21:10,005
As we're coming through, you
know, just keeping an eye on them.

526
00:21:10,005 --> 00:21:13,455
We trotted our horses up after every
gallop and after every cross country.

527
00:21:13,725 --> 00:21:17,265
Um, the horses always got trotted up
just so we always had a baseline and

528
00:21:17,265 --> 00:21:21,795
we would look at their weight, their
feet, the, you know, their sadness,

529
00:21:21,795 --> 00:21:23,415
stiffness, any of that kind of stuff.

530
00:21:23,415 --> 00:21:24,945
So we always had a baseline.

531
00:21:24,945 --> 00:21:26,025
And then the vet would come.

532
00:21:26,535 --> 00:21:29,325
Our vet would, we always had a, because
we had so many horses, we had a standing

533
00:21:29,325 --> 00:21:31,155
appointment, Tuesdays at 10 o'clock.

534
00:21:31,425 --> 00:21:35,925
And so, um, and we would, we would trot
up the horses that we thought maybe

535
00:21:35,925 --> 00:21:39,075
needed to be looked at or something
for the vet. We'd have a list of, you

536
00:21:39,075 --> 00:21:40,275
know, this, we need this, we need that.

537
00:21:41,205 --> 00:21:41,805
Type of thing.

538
00:21:41,805 --> 00:21:44,235
And sometimes it was just,
you know, Hey, how we doing?

539
00:21:44,235 --> 00:21:44,985
Do you want a cup of coffee?

540
00:21:44,985 --> 00:21:46,185
We'd have a cup of coffee and she'd leave.

541
00:21:46,185 --> 00:21:46,395
Right.

542
00:21:46,665 --> 00:21:50,205
But we had that standing appointment,
so in case we needed it, um, and it was,

543
00:21:50,264 --> 00:21:52,544
it was made it really good for her too.

544
00:21:52,544 --> 00:21:56,805
So, um, and then as we would get
closer, you know, we would sort

545
00:21:56,805 --> 00:22:00,405
of plan if the horses needed their
hawks treated or their feet treated

546
00:22:00,405 --> 00:22:02,715
or whatever needed to be done.

547
00:22:02,715 --> 00:22:06,135
So, um, and then again, you check
their weight as they're getting fitter.

548
00:22:06,405 --> 00:22:06,615
Mm-hmm.

549
00:22:06,615 --> 00:22:09,825
They might need more grain, you
know, you might need, you know, to

550
00:22:10,095 --> 00:22:11,504
adjust something here and there.

551
00:22:11,504 --> 00:22:14,325
Or, you know, David would look
and say, this one needs more food.

552
00:22:14,325 --> 00:22:17,355
Or, um, you know, this one
is lacking a bit of energy.

553
00:22:17,355 --> 00:22:18,794
Let's see what we can do.

554
00:22:18,794 --> 00:22:21,885
So then we'd have a conversation and
make a plan and we'd all sort of work

555
00:22:21,885 --> 00:22:24,165
together as a team, um, to do that.

556
00:22:24,165 --> 00:22:28,335
So, um, but as far as like
day-to-day stuff, our horses, you

557
00:22:28,335 --> 00:22:30,165
know, they got groomed every day.

558
00:22:30,165 --> 00:22:33,555
They sort of, we always made
sure that they looked as well

559
00:22:33,555 --> 00:22:35,024
as we wanted them to every day.

560
00:22:35,024 --> 00:22:37,365
So when it came close to coming to a show.

561
00:22:37,770 --> 00:22:40,710
They might need a little tidy up
here, tidy up there, but for the most

562
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:42,930
part they were already ready to go.

563
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,200
Yeah.

564
00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:43,890
For the most part.

565
00:22:43,890 --> 00:22:44,160
Yeah.

566
00:22:45,420 --> 00:22:46,260
Interesting question.

567
00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:48,810
And I don't know if you, if I don't
even know if this is possible, so

568
00:22:48,810 --> 00:22:51,120
this might be like a, I don't even
know if that's possible, Noel.

569
00:22:51,660 --> 00:22:57,780
Um, if you don't have a, like an
actual ability to, 'cause there's all

570
00:22:57,780 --> 00:22:59,880
sorts of ways to, to weigh a horse.

571
00:22:59,970 --> 00:23:00,510
Correct.

572
00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:01,080
Okay.

573
00:23:01,470 --> 00:23:06,930
What is there like a DIY way
to do it there without having

574
00:23:06,930 --> 00:23:08,850
like a, the actual scale?

575
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:09,150
Yeah.

576
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:16,050
Um, you can, I think, um, the most feed
companies will give you a measuring tape.

577
00:23:16,140 --> 00:23:16,620
Yes.

578
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,780
And you can measure your, your horse's
belly, and then you sort of, they, I think

579
00:23:21,780 --> 00:23:25,500
they have got a, um, some sort of formula.

580
00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:29,310
It's like you measure that and you measure
another area and then you like pinch the

581
00:23:29,310 --> 00:23:33,180
fat and you figure out their body mass
in o and I think it's like their height.

582
00:23:34,065 --> 00:23:37,395
You, you put it in on how tall and stuff
they are, but a lot of times you can

583
00:23:37,395 --> 00:23:39,195
just sort of look at them and notice.

584
00:23:39,315 --> 00:23:39,405
Yeah.

585
00:23:39,405 --> 00:23:42,735
I mean, I think you should be able
to look at your horse and be like,

586
00:23:42,735 --> 00:23:45,735
it's, you know, is it getting
fitter or is it getting skinnier?

587
00:23:45,764 --> 00:23:47,055
'cause skinny is not fit.

588
00:23:47,655 --> 00:23:51,375
Mm. Which is, a lot of people are
like, oh, he looks really, he's so fit.

589
00:23:51,375 --> 00:23:52,485
I'm like, no, he is thin.

590
00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:54,405
You know, there's a difference.

591
00:23:54,405 --> 00:23:57,555
There's a difference between, you
know, and that gets lost because

592
00:23:57,825 --> 00:24:03,195
horses need mass to be able to keep
their tendons well, their Yeah.

593
00:24:03,225 --> 00:24:03,705
Muscles.

594
00:24:03,705 --> 00:24:06,705
Well, their, all that stuff
they need mass to, to do that.

595
00:24:06,705 --> 00:24:12,649
So, not heavy mass, but, um, they need
something in there for like humans, you

596
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:17,205
know, you, you see these marathon runners
in the, and mostly the triathletes, like

597
00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:21,345
they have masks to them because their bo
their body needs something to pull off of.

598
00:24:21,615 --> 00:24:21,705
Yeah.

599
00:24:21,705 --> 00:24:22,905
Without breaking the muscle down.

600
00:24:23,085 --> 00:24:23,235
Yeah.

601
00:24:23,415 --> 00:24:24,735
So they, they gotta have something there.

602
00:24:24,855 --> 00:24:25,095
Yeah.

603
00:24:25,695 --> 00:24:26,024
All right.

604
00:24:26,024 --> 00:24:26,895
Next question.

605
00:24:27,810 --> 00:24:28,410
Ooh.

606
00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:30,750
I remember when I wrote this one down,
I thought, I'm really interested.

607
00:24:30,750 --> 00:24:31,110
Okay.

608
00:24:31,140 --> 00:24:32,760
I wanna know what you're
gonna say to this.

609
00:24:32,850 --> 00:24:36,120
Any advice on juggling,
riding with a professional

610
00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,890
career that's not with horses?

611
00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:38,280
Ooh.

612
00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:40,110
Do you know anyone who's doing this?

613
00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:44,970
Well, that is 'cause a lot of times
the way we afford our horses is

614
00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:46,500
by having our professional job.

615
00:24:47,010 --> 00:24:53,070
Um, there are definitely some people that
are, you know, um, that are doing both.

616
00:24:53,130 --> 00:24:56,070
Um, it's not that easy.

617
00:24:56,670 --> 00:24:58,050
I guess there's two parts to this.

618
00:24:58,050 --> 00:25:01,830
Like, if your horse is at home and
you're doing it all yourself, that's

619
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:03,630
one thing, because that's really hard.

620
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,190
Um, but to make sure you have the
right people that your horse is with.

621
00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:12,450
If you do have your horse with
somebody, um, that they can keep

622
00:25:12,450 --> 00:25:15,750
the horse ticking over for you, that
they, it's someone that rides like you

623
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:18,090
ride, which I think is a big thing.

624
00:25:18,090 --> 00:25:21,030
It's a, you know, I think if you're a
small, petite woman, you need to have

625
00:25:21,030 --> 00:25:24,240
the horse with a small, petite woman
because if you have it with a man.

626
00:25:24,945 --> 00:25:28,065
Um, they ride like a man,
which they can't help by doing.

627
00:25:28,065 --> 00:25:31,065
And then you try to get on and try to
slow that horse down and you can't.

628
00:25:31,185 --> 00:25:31,935
That's great advice.

629
00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:32,295
Yeah.

630
00:25:32,295 --> 00:25:35,860
And so you, I think it's important to,
and it's gotta be a place that, you

631
00:25:35,860 --> 00:25:41,835
know, you trust and you, um, and the,
and there's gotta be some respect for you

632
00:25:41,865 --> 00:25:45,435
having be the nine to five person that's
coming down and trying to do it all.

633
00:25:45,825 --> 00:25:50,805
And it's hard because, um, it's not
an easy sport, especially eventing.

634
00:25:50,805 --> 00:25:51,465
It's not as easy.

635
00:25:51,465 --> 00:25:55,275
And, and you need to, you need to
be able to, to do it a lot, you to

636
00:25:55,275 --> 00:25:58,485
practice, you know, whether, um, yeah.

637
00:25:58,485 --> 00:25:59,835
You just gotta sort of get good at that.

638
00:25:59,835 --> 00:26:01,995
But there are definitely are
people that, that do both.

639
00:26:01,995 --> 00:26:04,905
And I'm trying to think of people
that I know that have, I know

640
00:26:04,905 --> 00:26:06,166
of too, but I can't call them.

641
00:26:06,550 --> 00:26:06,975
Call them.

642
00:26:07,035 --> 00:26:07,485
Yeah.

643
00:26:07,665 --> 00:26:11,115
But there are, 'cause I just saw, and
you can actually, for everyone who's

644
00:26:11,115 --> 00:26:14,625
listening or watching, I just saw a
recent Chronicle of the Horse article,

645
00:26:14,625 --> 00:26:18,080
I think on someone who's like a doctor
or a lawyer and they just, uh, they,

646
00:26:18,315 --> 00:26:19,666
they just went up like they just.

647
00:26:21,075 --> 00:26:26,055
They had a big like, kind of career
highlight moment for them, I think.

648
00:26:26,534 --> 00:26:29,565
Um, and at and at
advanced, like these, yeah.

649
00:26:29,595 --> 00:26:32,235
Like at some serious
Yeah, some competitions.

650
00:26:32,235 --> 00:26:32,504
Yeah.

651
00:26:32,595 --> 00:26:37,125
I guess if I were in that po, like
if I was this person asking the

652
00:26:37,125 --> 00:26:41,085
question, be like, are there some
practical tools that you found?

653
00:26:41,325 --> 00:26:45,254
If you're, let's say you can't,
your, your job is not being

654
00:26:45,254 --> 00:26:46,635
at the bar in 24 7, right?

655
00:26:47,115 --> 00:26:47,500
Yeah, yeah.

656
00:26:47,540 --> 00:26:52,784
I know you like, I think you need to,
um, keep very strong and fit, I think a

657
00:26:52,784 --> 00:26:56,745
lot of like core strength because you,
you know, as you, as we all get older,

658
00:26:57,044 --> 00:27:00,855
the muscle memory gets weaker, but I
think there's definitely something,

659
00:27:00,855 --> 00:27:04,485
you know, Pilates, yoga, all those
kinds of things that keep your core

660
00:27:04,485 --> 00:27:07,305
strength and, and also your dexterity.

661
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:09,720
The hand-eye coordination type stuff.

662
00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:12,630
That's actually such a good,
and there's like amazing, they

663
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:13,860
do this a lot in Formula One.

664
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:13,950
Yes.

665
00:27:13,950 --> 00:27:17,640
If you ever watch the guy do the,
with the tennis ball Yeah, they do.

666
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,280
Even if it's footwork jumping, you
know, like stepping up and down

667
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,470
steps or shuffling side to side.

668
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:27,030
And it's a little bit of dexterity
and it's, um, even even things like

669
00:27:27,030 --> 00:27:29,790
where you can, you sit and you can
put your hands under your hips and you

670
00:27:29,790 --> 00:27:33,210
lift your one leg, try and make sure
your, both your seat bones don't move.

671
00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:33,450
Right.

672
00:27:33,660 --> 00:27:36,780
There's things like that that even
are like, that are horse ish related

673
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:41,340
that you can, um, that you just keep
your muscles and your mind going.

674
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:44,790
And even though you're not in the tack,
you're sort of, you're as ready as you

675
00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:46,530
can be when you get back in the tech.

676
00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:47,910
Mm. I love that.

677
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:48,692
I think it's good.

678
00:27:48,692 --> 00:27:50,700
I think that is a huge,
yeah, that's a huge edge.

679
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,120
Yeah.

680
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:51,780
Actually.

681
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:52,260
Yeah.

682
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:52,920
Okay.

683
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:53,250
Next.

684
00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:58,290
And there's a lot of, um, specialty
people out there that are doing, um,

685
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,450
fitness stuff for like nine people
that are nine to five people Yeah.

686
00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:07,095
That are riders that they'll
send you a. Workout thing and

687
00:28:07,245 --> 00:28:08,085
there's stuff, there's Yeah.

688
00:28:08,115 --> 00:28:09,524
EF Simmons, we have, oh yeah.

689
00:28:09,524 --> 00:28:13,335
We have fitness for e questions
on NF Plus, and there are a

690
00:28:13,335 --> 00:28:15,345
number of amazing personal Yeah.

691
00:28:15,524 --> 00:28:19,965
Out there that are offering, and I do,
like I speaking with Iffa and seeing

692
00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:22,245
what he offers and seeing with some
providers that he is worked with.

693
00:28:22,245 --> 00:28:23,355
He's worked with Boy Martin.

694
00:28:23,385 --> 00:28:23,715
Yeah.

695
00:28:23,835 --> 00:28:30,615
There's like, the best riders are the ones
that take that extra bit of time care.

696
00:28:30,645 --> 00:28:31,034
Yeah.

697
00:28:31,215 --> 00:28:33,554
And I think that applies to parameters.

698
00:28:33,585 --> 00:28:34,845
Yes, absolutely.

699
00:28:35,145 --> 00:28:36,345
Really as well.

700
00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:36,585
Yep.

701
00:28:36,675 --> 00:28:41,504
You know, like, I think it is a sport
that, that can give you that extra lift.

702
00:28:41,985 --> 00:28:44,865
And if you're horse, if you're,
you're asking that of your horse.

703
00:28:44,895 --> 00:28:45,165
Yeah.

704
00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:48,105
You know, I think it does make a
difference when you ask that of yourself.

705
00:28:48,135 --> 00:28:48,705
Exactly.

706
00:28:48,885 --> 00:28:49,215
Yeah.

707
00:28:49,215 --> 00:28:49,695
Love that.

708
00:28:50,865 --> 00:28:51,254
Okay.

709
00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:53,804
Oh, I'm, I wanna know this.

710
00:28:54,495 --> 00:28:56,865
Hoof products for dry
versus wet condition.

711
00:28:56,925 --> 00:28:57,645
Ooh.

712
00:28:58,034 --> 00:28:58,754
Um.

713
00:28:59,429 --> 00:29:02,639
We were just talking before we started,
before we pressed record, we were

714
00:29:02,639 --> 00:29:08,010
talking about all these different weather
conditions, hoof, um, funny enough, a

715
00:29:08,010 --> 00:29:12,540
lot of times with wet conditions, um,
we think that hoof oil is gonna soften

716
00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:16,679
their feet, but hoof oil, actual oil
on their feet helps repel the water.

717
00:29:16,919 --> 00:29:18,090
Oh, you think about it, right?

718
00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:18,929
'cause it's oil, right?

719
00:29:18,929 --> 00:29:20,100
Oil and wanted don't mix.

720
00:29:20,429 --> 00:29:25,020
So, um, there's been times when, you
know, even when I'm, if I have a horse

721
00:29:25,020 --> 00:29:29,340
that's got, can tend to have soft feet,
if I'm gonna ice them, I'll paint their

722
00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:32,760
entire feet and the soles of their
feet with oil, with hoof oil and then

723
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,949
put them in because it helps repel.

724
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,090
Oh my God, that's a great hack.

725
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,320
Yeah, that's a good hack.

726
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,000
Um, the other hacks that I know, um, that
we've used before is, um, if it's, if

727
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,139
you're in a wet area where it's really
dewy, you can, um, put some duct tape over

728
00:29:46,139 --> 00:29:50,340
your nail holes, so then the wet doesn't
get into the get in from the inside.

729
00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:50,760
Do you know?

730
00:29:50,879 --> 00:29:51,240
Yeah.

731
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,990
Um, and then good old school,
like Venice turpentine and you

732
00:29:54,990 --> 00:29:56,310
know, and I know people that have.

733
00:29:56,790 --> 00:30:01,680
Have like a formaldehyde, um, type
of mixture concoction that they

734
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,510
make, uh, to paint their feet.

735
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:04,890
This is for wet conditions.

736
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,190
Yeah.

737
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:07,050
Um, paint their feet
just to keep them dry.

738
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:09,900
Not every day, like every other
day, every three days or so.

739
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:12,000
Um, and, you know, talk to your fairy.

740
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,230
Some horses just have naturally super
dry feet anyway, and they, but then

741
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:21,120
if you got the ones that crumble
and typically if you move to a wet

742
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,130
climate, their feet will adapt.

743
00:30:23,130 --> 00:30:25,110
But it does take a few
years for them to adapt.

744
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:27,360
And same thing if you move to
a dry climate, it just takes a

745
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,890
couple years for them to adapt.

746
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:34,200
Um, and then, you know, as far as,
um, for the drier climates, you know,

747
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,550
even there's a very good tea tree
oil, um, hoof foil that's out there.

748
00:30:38,550 --> 00:30:41,160
And I can't remember who
makes the, I should remember.

749
00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:43,080
Well, and tea tree is naturally Yeah.

750
00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:44,280
Antimicrobial, right?

751
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,000
Yes, exactly.

752
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,450
So it's always good for all the little,
you know, stuff that can get in there.

753
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:51,960
Um, and, um, just, you
know, your basic hoof foil.

754
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:54,390
Um, some people I know, um.

755
00:30:54,794 --> 00:30:57,645
Sometimes use just
like, um, a coconut oil.

756
00:30:57,824 --> 00:30:58,004
Yeah.

757
00:30:58,004 --> 00:30:58,665
On their feet.

758
00:30:58,725 --> 00:30:58,995
Yeah.

759
00:30:59,145 --> 00:30:59,955
Um, and again, really?

760
00:30:59,955 --> 00:31:00,405
Yeah.

761
00:31:00,645 --> 00:31:03,554
They like literally a jug of coconut
oil and you have a brush with

762
00:31:03,554 --> 00:31:06,465
it and then you can slap it on.

763
00:31:06,495 --> 00:31:06,794
Yeah.

764
00:31:06,975 --> 00:31:07,725
That's epic.

765
00:31:07,725 --> 00:31:08,054
Yeah.

766
00:31:08,114 --> 00:31:08,625
It's pretty good.

767
00:31:08,625 --> 00:31:09,165
'cause it's cheap.

768
00:31:09,375 --> 00:31:10,125
That's, yeah.

769
00:31:10,125 --> 00:31:11,090
I was gonna say that's cheap.

770
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:11,091
Yeah.

771
00:31:11,504 --> 00:31:13,215
You got a bunch of horses
that got like, great.

772
00:31:13,215 --> 00:31:15,495
Yeah, and it's, I mean, if you
think about it, it's, yeah.

773
00:31:15,524 --> 00:31:21,314
Coconut oil and, um, all those oils that
are just, um, they're um, fairly simple.

774
00:31:21,645 --> 00:31:24,794
So they, they'll soak in pretty
nicely too, which is good.

775
00:31:24,824 --> 00:31:25,155
Yeah.

776
00:31:25,514 --> 00:31:27,945
But again, conversation for
your farrier just to make sure.

777
00:31:28,574 --> 00:31:28,844
Yeah.

778
00:31:28,844 --> 00:31:29,834
Ask they're doing their right.

779
00:31:29,834 --> 00:31:30,104
Yeah.

780
00:31:30,135 --> 00:31:31,514
'cause sometimes you think
they're dry, but they're

781
00:31:31,514 --> 00:31:33,314
actually wet and say vice versa.

782
00:31:33,735 --> 00:31:35,054
But like, actually no, don't mess with it.

783
00:31:35,054 --> 00:31:35,864
Everything's great.

784
00:31:35,864 --> 00:31:36,195
You know?

785
00:31:36,195 --> 00:31:36,495
So,

786
00:31:36,675 --> 00:31:36,915
yeah.

787
00:31:37,215 --> 00:31:39,165
That's a good, actually,
that's a really good tip.

788
00:31:39,225 --> 00:31:42,195
I also just love too, thinking.

789
00:31:42,945 --> 00:31:47,055
Thinking for, I've really learned in
the last year or two, like to think

790
00:31:47,055 --> 00:31:48,495
about your horse from the hoof up.

791
00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:49,365
Oh, oh yeah.

792
00:31:49,635 --> 00:31:50,775
And I didn't before that.

793
00:31:50,805 --> 00:31:52,005
No, no foot, no horse.

794
00:31:52,005 --> 00:31:52,875
Yeah, exactly.

795
00:31:52,965 --> 00:31:54,435
And I heard that term.

796
00:31:54,495 --> 00:31:54,555
Yeah.

797
00:31:54,555 --> 00:31:56,565
Now I feel like I understand it.

798
00:31:56,685 --> 00:31:56,985
Yeah.

799
00:31:57,045 --> 00:31:59,205
Not just if this is gonna
make sense to everyone.

800
00:31:59,205 --> 00:32:01,125
Like I don't just
understand it in my mind.

801
00:32:01,130 --> 00:32:02,145
I understand it in my body.

802
00:32:02,175 --> 00:32:02,535
Yes.

803
00:32:02,535 --> 00:32:06,195
Like I understand, like I understand
what, I can see my horse's feet.

804
00:32:06,195 --> 00:32:09,285
I know when they're due.

805
00:32:09,285 --> 00:32:12,645
I know if they're, if
they're unbalanced, I know.

806
00:32:12,885 --> 00:32:13,305
You know what I mean?

807
00:32:13,305 --> 00:32:17,265
Like, you really wanna know all about
your horse's feet in every possible way.

808
00:32:17,445 --> 00:32:19,905
If you think about, like, if we
walk, if we have like a tiny little

809
00:32:20,235 --> 00:32:23,595
imbalance in our shoe when we're walking
along, then it hurts her knee, then

810
00:32:23,595 --> 00:32:25,335
it hurts her hip, and then it hurts.

811
00:32:25,335 --> 00:32:26,025
Upper her back.

812
00:32:26,025 --> 00:32:28,695
And then, and then you find
yourself walking sideways.

813
00:32:28,695 --> 00:32:31,395
And you know, if you think about that
with a horse, it's like for wa, if

814
00:32:31,395 --> 00:32:34,005
you're walking side, it's the same
thing as a horse leaning on the reign.

815
00:32:34,305 --> 00:32:36,435
And then they're landing
on the wrong leg too much.

816
00:32:36,435 --> 00:32:38,895
And then they're leaning there and
then that's gonna get overloaded.

817
00:32:38,895 --> 00:32:40,095
And you know, there's, it's.

818
00:32:41,355 --> 00:32:42,045
That's where it all starts.

819
00:32:42,045 --> 00:32:42,105
Yeah.

820
00:32:42,375 --> 00:32:44,355
And the more you observe the feet Yeah.

821
00:32:44,475 --> 00:32:47,595
The more everything under
saddle actually makes.

822
00:32:47,595 --> 00:32:48,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

823
00:32:48,555 --> 00:32:49,155
Exactly.

824
00:32:49,185 --> 00:32:51,165
And I, yeah, but it took
me a long time to learn.

825
00:32:51,165 --> 00:32:51,285
Yeah.

826
00:32:51,315 --> 00:32:53,385
Like, it really took a long
time and I'm just feel like I'm

827
00:32:53,385 --> 00:32:54,615
just at the beginning of that.

828
00:32:54,945 --> 00:32:55,095
Yeah.

829
00:32:55,095 --> 00:32:57,435
But it really does actually start
to really, like, one of the best

830
00:32:57,435 --> 00:32:58,575
things you can do for horses.

831
00:32:58,605 --> 00:33:01,935
Like every, if you can just take
their shoes off for a while.

832
00:33:02,865 --> 00:33:05,985
I love that you just said
that Barefoot, just recenter.

833
00:33:05,985 --> 00:33:09,375
Like they, and that they'll, they
will wear their feet down how

834
00:33:09,375 --> 00:33:10,575
their body is supposed to be.

835
00:33:11,295 --> 00:33:11,685
Do you know?

836
00:33:11,685 --> 00:33:12,855
And it's, yeah.

837
00:33:12,945 --> 00:33:14,415
I love that you said that.

838
00:33:14,475 --> 00:33:15,254
I think it's great.

839
00:33:15,254 --> 00:33:17,655
So for someone who's listening
that goes, oh, cool, okay.

840
00:33:17,655 --> 00:33:18,315
I might do that.

841
00:33:18,345 --> 00:33:21,945
How, so if they're showing through the
summer, when would you take them off

842
00:33:21,945 --> 00:33:22,815
and when would you put 'em back on?

843
00:33:22,875 --> 00:33:25,185
I'd, I'd take them off when
they're having their break, when

844
00:33:25,185 --> 00:33:26,055
they're having their holiday.

845
00:33:26,145 --> 00:33:26,325
Okay.

846
00:33:26,655 --> 00:33:29,504
Um, and then leave 'em off until
you need to put 'em back on.

847
00:33:30,555 --> 00:33:34,815
How, what kind of distant, what kind
of like, you need a minimum of like

848
00:33:35,415 --> 00:33:37,605
six weeks really to make any change.

849
00:33:37,665 --> 00:33:38,655
Can't make any difference.

850
00:33:38,655 --> 00:33:42,345
But you think about it, if you've
given your horse a month off, they

851
00:33:42,345 --> 00:33:45,825
can walk and hack and do things
without their shoes on for a bit.

852
00:33:45,885 --> 00:33:50,205
They can, I mean, they're horses that,
you know, all those good jumping horses

853
00:33:50,595 --> 00:33:54,945
all in How many 12 Clear Olympic show
jumping rounds with no shoes ever.

854
00:33:55,245 --> 00:33:56,145
And you, um Yeah.

855
00:33:56,145 --> 00:33:59,295
Is a pretty great, so he, you know,
there's, there's things, you know,

856
00:33:59,295 --> 00:34:02,895
obviously if you're living in, you know,
like New England, it's quite rocky.

857
00:34:02,895 --> 00:34:04,035
You have to be a bit more careful.

858
00:34:04,035 --> 00:34:07,155
But, and they may be a little
wincing when they first get the

859
00:34:07,155 --> 00:34:08,654
shoes off, but they toughen up.

860
00:34:08,654 --> 00:34:11,085
I mean, it's so, it's so
good for them to get that.

861
00:34:11,085 --> 00:34:14,445
And it's a lot cheaper, dude.

862
00:34:14,445 --> 00:34:17,715
Everyone's gonna appreciate a lot hacks.

863
00:34:17,715 --> 00:34:17,955
Yeah.

864
00:34:17,955 --> 00:34:19,034
And yes, exactly.

865
00:34:19,034 --> 00:34:25,125
Ways to, yeah, to save my horse has
two scars from being in a pasture.

866
00:34:25,545 --> 00:34:30,404
Is there anything that will stimulate
the hair to grow back in those areas?

867
00:34:30,525 --> 00:34:34,154
Oh, depends on like how
old those scars are.

868
00:34:34,154 --> 00:34:38,054
Sometimes they've got that like, shiny
skin on them, you know what I mean?

869
00:34:38,114 --> 00:34:38,355
Yeah.

870
00:34:38,355 --> 00:34:41,235
Then they're, unfortunately
they're just gonna be scars.

871
00:34:41,264 --> 00:34:47,205
But, um, otherwise there's like
the MTG stuff from leys that can

872
00:34:47,205 --> 00:34:49,034
sometimes help with hair regrowth.

873
00:34:49,034 --> 00:34:49,065
Oh.

874
00:34:49,335 --> 00:34:53,475
Smells like, you know, as I said,
smells like rotten eggs a little bit,

875
00:34:53,475 --> 00:34:55,005
but it's got a lot of sulfur in it.

876
00:34:55,185 --> 00:34:55,485
Oh.

877
00:34:55,485 --> 00:34:56,415
So it'll sort of help.

878
00:34:56,415 --> 00:34:59,115
It does help with, um, uh,
sort of stimulate growth.

879
00:34:59,115 --> 00:35:02,865
And then there's also, there's
um, and a product that you can

880
00:35:02,865 --> 00:35:04,755
get in the, in the ethnic section.

881
00:35:05,115 --> 00:35:09,555
Um, it's called like, like
something grow and it's got a lot

882
00:35:09,555 --> 00:35:11,745
of coconut oil base type of thing.

883
00:35:11,745 --> 00:35:15,165
And it's, and it's great for, you know, if
you got a little rub here and a little rub

884
00:35:15,165 --> 00:35:16,485
there and you want the hairs to grow back.

885
00:35:16,605 --> 00:35:17,085
Cool.

886
00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:21,315
Um, and if it's not, if, if it's been,
if the scars are old, you probably

887
00:35:21,315 --> 00:35:22,575
not gonna get the hair to grow back.

888
00:35:22,575 --> 00:35:23,715
But if it's fairly new.

889
00:35:24,495 --> 00:35:27,765
Even getting to use like a handheld
laser will help like stimulate

890
00:35:27,765 --> 00:35:31,065
the blood flow in the area, which
can also help with hair growth.

891
00:35:31,065 --> 00:35:34,785
But you know, there's no RO gain,
there's no, there's none of those things.

892
00:35:34,785 --> 00:35:35,715
Unfortunately, for worse.

893
00:35:35,715 --> 00:35:40,755
I'm pretty sure that person said Rogan
question mark and they asked the question.

894
00:35:41,415 --> 00:35:44,025
I was like, oh, no, stars were sexy.

895
00:35:44,355 --> 00:35:44,985
I know.

896
00:35:44,985 --> 00:35:46,930
And I was like, they're all
part, they're part of it.

897
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,195
They're part of their story.

898
00:35:48,195 --> 00:35:49,305
God, I have so many scars.

899
00:35:49,305 --> 00:35:49,965
It's crazy.

900
00:35:49,995 --> 00:35:50,265
Okay.

901
00:35:50,685 --> 00:35:55,035
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902
00:35:55,035 --> 00:35:55,755
The separation?

903
00:35:55,755 --> 00:35:56,205
Oh, anxiety.

904
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:59,640
The frantic behavior, oh gosh.

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I have funny, I have a whole friend that
has two horses and he had to get a donkey

932
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:48,840
or mini Yeah, because it would to do that.

933
00:37:49,110 --> 00:37:54,210
I think the horses, um, they obviously,
they do, they're hurt, hurt animals

934
00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:55,380
and they like to be together.

935
00:37:55,529 --> 00:38:00,120
Um, but, and it, that's a
really, it's a hard situation.

936
00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:00,930
You need to.

937
00:38:02,865 --> 00:38:06,134
Almost from the very beginning,
separate them and not ever

938
00:38:06,134 --> 00:38:08,145
let them get the attachment.

939
00:38:08,174 --> 00:38:08,654
Do you know?

940
00:38:08,654 --> 00:38:09,315
And Yeah.

941
00:38:09,404 --> 00:38:14,415
Um, and either, you know, you need, I've
done things like, um, even at a show

942
00:38:14,415 --> 00:38:17,715
where I've looked after a horse that is
there with its front, you know, 'cause I

943
00:38:17,715 --> 00:38:21,105
freelanced now and there was a horse last
year that was looking after that just

944
00:38:21,735 --> 00:38:23,355
we get so frantic when his friend left.

945
00:38:23,355 --> 00:38:27,075
And so you would do things like, you would
either take him out of his stall and take

946
00:38:27,075 --> 00:38:30,105
him for a walk while the other horse left
and then he never really realized it.

947
00:38:30,345 --> 00:38:30,525
Yeah.

948
00:38:30,615 --> 00:38:33,555
Or you would like throw a bunch of
carrots in the back of the stall.

949
00:38:33,555 --> 00:38:36,105
So he was like eating the carrots
and doing that so he didn't

950
00:38:36,105 --> 00:38:37,335
notice when the other horse left.

951
00:38:37,335 --> 00:38:43,395
But it's a very hard, um, that's a
hard thing to figure out sometimes

952
00:38:43,395 --> 00:38:45,465
even putting earplugs in them.

953
00:38:45,465 --> 00:38:48,045
'cause then they hear themselves
when they're winning and screaming.

954
00:38:48,045 --> 00:38:48,134
Mm-hmm.

955
00:38:48,134 --> 00:38:54,075
But, um, they can, horses can get
really stupid and, um, irrational when

956
00:38:54,075 --> 00:38:55,215
they're trying to find their friend.

957
00:38:55,275 --> 00:38:55,665
Yeah.

958
00:38:55,665 --> 00:38:58,634
And it's, and it's a real, and
they will, they will really, they

959
00:38:58,634 --> 00:38:59,745
can really injure themselves.

960
00:39:00,675 --> 00:39:03,345
Sometimes you have to
get a friend for them.

961
00:39:04,065 --> 00:39:06,405
Well, I was gonna, but you need to,
there's, you need to break the pattern.

962
00:39:06,555 --> 00:39:07,125
Yeah.

963
00:39:07,125 --> 00:39:08,925
Because I've learned so much.

964
00:39:08,925 --> 00:39:10,965
Because it's funny, when I saw
that question, I was like, oh,

965
00:39:10,965 --> 00:39:11,835
this is gonna be fascinating.

966
00:39:11,865 --> 00:39:15,345
'cause I have learned so much
about separation at ULI because I'm

967
00:39:15,345 --> 00:39:17,175
traveling across the country and Right.

968
00:39:17,175 --> 00:39:17,895
Two horses.

969
00:39:17,955 --> 00:39:18,015
Yeah.

970
00:39:18,015 --> 00:39:18,765
But now bonded.

971
00:39:18,765 --> 00:39:19,065
Yeah.

972
00:39:19,095 --> 00:39:22,995
And one thing that I've learned
from old cowboys and stuff is

973
00:39:22,995 --> 00:39:26,595
like, so if you wanted two horses
to bond, throw 'em in the trailer.

974
00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:28,155
Right, right, right.

975
00:39:28,275 --> 00:39:28,425
Yeah.

976
00:39:28,425 --> 00:39:29,175
Feed 'em together.

977
00:39:29,175 --> 00:39:29,325
Yeah.

978
00:39:29,325 --> 00:39:30,795
Even feed them direct.

979
00:39:30,945 --> 00:39:32,835
Like directionally No.

980
00:39:32,835 --> 00:39:33,735
Yeah, exactly.

981
00:39:33,735 --> 00:39:34,785
So install.

982
00:39:34,785 --> 00:39:34,965
Yeah.

983
00:39:35,175 --> 00:39:37,755
Like if they, so there's
so many things we do.

984
00:39:37,785 --> 00:39:37,905
Yeah.

985
00:39:37,905 --> 00:39:41,145
And there's so many things that
I realize we do unconsciously.

986
00:39:41,175 --> 00:39:41,505
Right.

987
00:39:41,535 --> 00:39:43,725
That affirms the bond.

988
00:39:43,785 --> 00:39:44,115
Right.

989
00:39:44,655 --> 00:39:44,985
Right.

990
00:39:45,585 --> 00:39:47,985
That, you know, again, and
then other people do that

991
00:39:47,985 --> 00:39:49,455
intentionally to build the bond.

992
00:39:49,485 --> 00:39:49,785
Right.

993
00:39:49,815 --> 00:39:50,115
Right.

994
00:39:50,505 --> 00:39:51,165
And so.

995
00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:55,440
Kathy Barr has an amazing, I'm gonna
add, I'm gonna kind of, I'm gonna Yeah.

996
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,000
Add to your answer because Kathy Barr has
an amazing book on separation anxiety.

997
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:00,300
Oh really?

998
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:00,630
Okay.

999
00:40:00,630 --> 00:40:01,140
That's cool.

1000
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,060
And her and I sat down in the studio
and I, that episode's gonna come

1001
00:40:06,060 --> 00:40:08,460
out in the beginning of season two.

1002
00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:08,820
Okay.

1003
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:12,240
So everybody, so everyone look
out for that episode because

1004
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:13,650
we dive deep into separation.

1005
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:13,740
Yeah.

1006
00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:14,280
Anxiety.

1007
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:14,520
Yeah.

1008
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:16,800
It's real and it's, it's really real.

1009
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:20,280
And tick and I were talking and
he actually says that he reckons

1010
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,840
having two horses is the hardest.

1011
00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:22,680
Absolutely.

1012
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,730
Absolutely.

1013
00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:24,150
Four.

1014
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:24,630
Easy.

1015
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,700
But two, two is hard.

1016
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,060
Yeah.

1017
00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:27,720
Two is hard.

1018
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:30,120
I had no idea when I went,
I was like, oh, great.

1019
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,070
Like two, they each have
each other, blah, blah, blah.

1020
00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:33,420
And I was so ignorant.

1021
00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:33,480
Yeah.

1022
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:35,070
To the separation anxiety.

1023
00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:35,400
Yeah.

1024
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:36,270
Realities.

1025
00:40:36,270 --> 00:40:38,160
And they are re battery real.

1026
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,120
Oh, they're so real.

1027
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:39,420
Yeah.

1028
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:40,140
They're so real.

1029
00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:42,240
So we feel you and Yeah.

1030
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:44,580
The person who ans asked this question.

1031
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:44,850
Yeah.

1032
00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:47,370
Like it's actually I
think one of the best.

1033
00:40:48,285 --> 00:40:51,465
MythBusters for me was that
it's actually not a quick fix.

1034
00:40:51,495 --> 00:40:52,215
No, it's not.

1035
00:40:52,245 --> 00:40:52,425
No.

1036
00:40:52,425 --> 00:40:55,665
It's something you like, you, you
needed to like a little bit nip it

1037
00:40:55,665 --> 00:40:58,815
in the bud in the beginning and then,
you know, I know people that just

1038
00:40:58,815 --> 00:41:00,945
like, they'll, they'll feed them Yeah.

1039
00:41:00,945 --> 00:41:01,965
Away from each other.

1040
00:41:01,965 --> 00:41:02,085
Yeah.

1041
00:41:02,085 --> 00:41:04,875
And then because food is
comforting for them and Yeah.

1042
00:41:04,995 --> 00:41:05,985
And then try to Yeah.

1043
00:41:05,985 --> 00:41:08,625
But it, and then also forming,
Kathy talks a lot about this in her

1044
00:41:08,625 --> 00:41:11,654
book, forming that bond with you.

1045
00:41:11,685 --> 00:41:12,165
Yes.

1046
00:41:12,645 --> 00:41:12,765
Yeah.

1047
00:41:12,765 --> 00:41:14,925
So there are lots of
things that you can do.

1048
00:41:14,955 --> 00:41:15,315
Yeah.

1049
00:41:15,404 --> 00:41:17,205
That your horse then builds that bond.

1050
00:41:17,205 --> 00:41:17,505
Right.

1051
00:41:17,505 --> 00:41:21,225
And that social, like social grooming,
there's so many things that we can do with

1052
00:41:21,225 --> 00:41:24,945
our horses that, uh, provide that Yeah.

1053
00:41:24,975 --> 00:41:27,315
Social aspect that they would be getting.

1054
00:41:27,345 --> 00:41:27,675
Right.

1055
00:41:27,675 --> 00:41:28,210
That second voice.

1056
00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:32,759
Sorry, I kind of, I wanted Oh,
because it's, it's a hard topping

1057
00:41:32,759 --> 00:41:34,080
and I feel like it's hard.

1058
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:35,400
I've been immersed in that.

1059
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:35,700
Yeah.

1060
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:39,390
And you kind of little bit, when you're
in the moment, you're like, just stop.

1061
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:39,750
Oh.

1062
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:41,790
And hand, and it doesn't do,
it doesn't help you at all.

1063
00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:42,960
It just makes everybody mad.

1064
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,080
You know?

1065
00:41:43,529 --> 00:41:47,490
I have literally said, I, I've literally
said to G 'cause G has a harder time.

1066
00:41:47,490 --> 00:41:48,720
They're both very bonded.

1067
00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:53,700
But, and I actually have do dove
deep into also the weaning process.

1068
00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:54,180
Oh, right.

1069
00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:57,029
Because my marere lived with her mother.

1070
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:59,100
Like she had a, she lived in a herd Yeah.

1071
00:41:59,100 --> 00:41:59,820
For most of her life.

1072
00:41:59,820 --> 00:41:59,970
Right.

1073
00:41:59,970 --> 00:42:00,180
Yeah.

1074
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,759
So I've actually learned the difference
in, um, anxious attachment in horses.

1075
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:06,450
Oh, I got you.

1076
00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:08,549
Breaks is actually connected
to their wean weaning.

1077
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:08,790
Yeah.

1078
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:09,060
Interesting.

1079
00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:11,880
Because GI think was weaned a lot earlier.

1080
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:12,299
Okay.

1081
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:15,990
Whereas when you observe horses that
actually are able to live their fam,

1082
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:19,770
like with their mother for a lot longer
in their life or for their whole life.

1083
00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:20,040
Right.

1084
00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:25,500
Some of the most secure, really
grounded horses I've ever.

1085
00:42:26,115 --> 00:42:29,384
Seen met in my life and here we
all think, oh, you gotta gotta

1086
00:42:29,384 --> 00:42:30,674
get them away from their mom.

1087
00:42:30,674 --> 00:42:30,975
You know?

1088
00:42:30,975 --> 00:42:33,015
You bizarre.

1089
00:42:33,044 --> 00:42:33,254
Yeah.

1090
00:42:33,254 --> 00:42:34,214
It's fascinating.

1091
00:42:34,214 --> 00:42:34,995
That is fascinating.

1092
00:42:35,024 --> 00:42:36,915
Um, okay.

1093
00:42:37,154 --> 00:42:41,174
How many days off does a
high performance horse need?

1094
00:42:41,535 --> 00:42:44,055
What is the rest protocol for top horses?

1095
00:42:44,234 --> 00:42:46,455
Ooh, that's uhs one of
my favorite questions.

1096
00:42:46,455 --> 00:42:51,734
Hey, um, I, we always gave our horses
at least one day off a week, um,

1097
00:42:51,734 --> 00:42:53,355
high performance, like the top ones.

1098
00:42:53,355 --> 00:42:56,444
And there's some horses that
actually don't do very well

1099
00:42:56,444 --> 00:42:57,705
with the day off, funny enough.

1100
00:42:58,515 --> 00:43:03,915
But their day off would be sort of,
you know, go for hack like, and not

1101
00:43:03,915 --> 00:43:06,225
with the rider with just a fun day.

1102
00:43:06,225 --> 00:43:09,464
You know, put a workings, do not let
'em go out and just like wander their

1103
00:43:09,464 --> 00:43:11,415
brain sometimes just can't cope.

1104
00:43:11,415 --> 00:43:14,685
There's a few sort of thoroughbred
type horses that just can't

1105
00:43:14,685 --> 00:43:16,575
cope with nothing for a day.

1106
00:43:16,575 --> 00:43:18,645
And they, especially as they're
getting fitter, they just,

1107
00:43:19,064 --> 00:43:21,314
and it makes their next day.

1108
00:43:22,365 --> 00:43:22,965
Really bad.

1109
00:43:23,115 --> 00:43:24,765
You know, they just,
they just cannot focus.

1110
00:43:24,765 --> 00:43:25,515
They just cannot.

1111
00:43:25,935 --> 00:43:29,595
And it almost is to a detriment
to them physically, you know,

1112
00:43:29,655 --> 00:43:31,455
and mentally to, to have that.

1113
00:43:31,455 --> 00:43:36,105
And, um, but rest is so important for
our horses to have the time off and

1114
00:43:36,105 --> 00:43:40,725
to, and to chuck 'em out for a bit and,
um, and, and for their more, almost

1115
00:43:40,935 --> 00:43:45,375
mentally as it is physically for them,
um, to just not see someone, just to be

1116
00:43:45,375 --> 00:43:47,565
dirty, to be, you know, in the field.

1117
00:43:47,565 --> 00:43:49,125
No, nobody brushing on them.

1118
00:43:49,125 --> 00:43:53,085
Nobody, you know, just being horses,
taking it, taking their shoes off.

1119
00:43:53,595 --> 00:43:57,915
Um, our high performance horses would
always have at least a month off in

1120
00:43:57,915 --> 00:44:01,785
December or, um, so you probably November
they would do their big three day.

1121
00:44:01,845 --> 00:44:04,905
Fairhill used to be on Halloween
weekend, and so they would have all of

1122
00:44:04,905 --> 00:44:09,165
November off and December was, was just
hacking 'cause they'd be moving, right?

1123
00:44:09,165 --> 00:44:12,435
So they, they'd sort of be hacking
along for a bit and then start

1124
00:44:12,465 --> 00:44:15,255
gradually doing a bit of flat work,
you know, middle of December, but.

1125
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:18,750
So they'd have four, four weeks
off and then a couple weeks of

1126
00:44:18,750 --> 00:44:21,655
hacking and then back to doing
some flat work and stuff and Nice.

1127
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:26,610
Um, and then in the summer, it all
depended on what the schedule was.

1128
00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:30,450
You know, sometimes at Kentucky
the horses would do Kentucky and

1129
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,020
um, a championship was sort of like
coming right around the corner.

1130
00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:37,200
And so they would get probably two
weeks off then, and then bring 'em back

1131
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,650
to do some bit of work because they
needed to peak again, and then they

1132
00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:44,310
would get a big break after whatever
said championship there would be.

1133
00:44:44,310 --> 00:44:48,870
So, um, like all up, they would
get at least, at least six weeks.

1134
00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:52,230
You know, if you put it all together,
they would get six weeks and

1135
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:54,630
then, you know, depending on the
horse, you know, what, what their

1136
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:56,130
schedule was, they'd get two months.

1137
00:44:56,190 --> 00:44:58,890
Okay, some month in a month or
a month in six weeks or three

1138
00:44:58,890 --> 00:45:00,315
weeks and three weeks and nice.

1139
00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:05,130
Um, just, it lets all those things get
repaired in their body that we don't see.

1140
00:45:05,130 --> 00:45:06,360
We can't tell, you know.

1141
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,160
And, um, just lets, you know,
muscles that are sore get better and.

1142
00:45:12,045 --> 00:45:13,755
Again, they don't wanna
see you after a three day.

1143
00:45:13,755 --> 00:45:17,025
They're like, oh, I've, I've
had enough of you sister.

1144
00:45:17,385 --> 00:45:18,945
Like, stop brushing maze.

1145
00:45:18,945 --> 00:45:22,035
Stop making me pretty, don't
change my blanket again.

1146
00:45:22,455 --> 00:45:24,885
Um, yeah, we're sort of, they're
sort of done with you and then it

1147
00:45:24,885 --> 00:45:27,585
gives them time to put weight on if
they need to put weight on or Yeah.

1148
00:45:27,735 --> 00:45:29,925
You know, do all those things
and just sort of, again, be

1149
00:45:29,925 --> 00:45:31,515
dirty, be happy and dirty.

1150
00:45:31,875 --> 00:45:35,805
What's your, this, I'm curious about
this because in my riding career there

1151
00:45:35,805 --> 00:45:41,025
was some who wanted you to ride or
like just move them the Monday after.

1152
00:45:41,025 --> 00:45:41,085
Yeah.

1153
00:45:41,085 --> 00:45:43,845
So if you took a Grand Prix or you
had something big on Sunday, you

1154
00:45:43,845 --> 00:45:45,765
actually, it was like not okay.

1155
00:45:45,825 --> 00:45:48,075
The, the Monday day off Yeah.

1156
00:45:48,135 --> 00:45:52,425
Was actually not recommended
or asked depending on Yeah.

1157
00:45:52,455 --> 00:45:52,845
The barn.

1158
00:45:53,385 --> 00:45:57,675
Um, they wanted the day off to be
Tuesday because then you come back Yeah.

1159
00:45:57,675 --> 00:45:59,055
And you move them a bit on Monday.

1160
00:45:59,055 --> 00:45:59,175
Yeah.

1161
00:45:59,205 --> 00:46:01,785
Not a lot, but you like move them
maybe every hand walking them.

1162
00:46:01,785 --> 00:46:01,845
Yeah.

1163
00:46:02,205 --> 00:46:04,515
And then they'd get all day the day off.

1164
00:46:04,515 --> 00:46:06,255
They're full day off on Tuesday.

1165
00:46:06,255 --> 00:46:06,435
Yeah.

1166
00:46:06,645 --> 00:46:07,725
What's your stance on that?

1167
00:46:07,965 --> 00:46:08,565
Um.

1168
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,590
I think it's all personal preference.

1169
00:46:10,590 --> 00:46:12,900
I think the movement thing, you
know, we're lucky with the event

1170
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:14,310
horses, most of 'em get turned out.

1171
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:14,580
Yeah.

1172
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,900
And so I think the movement part of it
is for, to get, you know, move the lactic

1173
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:20,550
acid, move to get the stiffness out.

1174
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:21,420
Yes, exactly.

1175
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,440
Um, we're so, you know, we're lucky our
horses will get turned out and move.

1176
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:26,700
They'll move themselves.

1177
00:46:26,730 --> 00:46:26,910
Yeah.

1178
00:46:26,940 --> 00:46:28,890
You know, and I, I would,
I would agree with that.

1179
00:46:28,890 --> 00:46:31,230
You know, once they jump hard
and stuff, they do need to move.

1180
00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:35,880
Um, and you know, 'cause they, you
know, majority of the horses in

1181
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,830
Wellington say they're in their stalls,
you know, 2022 to 23 hours a day.

1182
00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:41,160
Yeah.

1183
00:46:41,220 --> 00:46:44,670
Um, they don't, especially if they're at
a horse show, they, you know, as much you

1184
00:46:44,670 --> 00:46:46,350
would wanna walk them as much as you can.

1185
00:46:46,350 --> 00:46:48,900
So we'll say 22 hours a day,
they're stuck in their stalls.

1186
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:49,320
Yeah.

1187
00:46:49,650 --> 00:46:50,130
So, yeah.

1188
00:46:50,220 --> 00:46:54,090
That, that movement is, is critical for
them to, you know, recovery is funny.

1189
00:46:54,090 --> 00:46:58,170
Like we, we've done so much study
about recovery with human athletes, but

1190
00:46:58,170 --> 00:47:02,940
there's very little research on horse
horse recovery and depending whether

1191
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:05,970
it's the Grand Prix night, really
got thinking about it a lot when my

1192
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,340
partner Scott, is a jumps Grand Prix.

1193
00:47:08,715 --> 00:47:11,535
I sort of would help him a bit with
his horse that he took the Olympic

1194
00:47:11,535 --> 00:47:15,975
games and he was, is a bigger horse and
um, and, and quite cold as you know.

1195
00:47:15,975 --> 00:47:18,045
He was just a little bit lazy off the leg.

1196
00:47:18,045 --> 00:47:23,535
So if he jumped in a Grand Prix on
Thursday and jumped hard to qualify Yeah.

1197
00:47:23,535 --> 00:47:27,615
And then you, but you want him firing on
everything he's got for Saturday night.

1198
00:47:27,615 --> 00:47:27,915
Yeah.

1199
00:47:28,275 --> 00:47:29,654
What do you do on that Friday?

1200
00:47:29,654 --> 00:47:31,485
What, is there something
you can give them?

1201
00:47:31,485 --> 00:47:34,725
Is there, you know, it uh, do you,
you know, when they say a human

1202
00:47:34,725 --> 00:47:37,785
athlete finishes, oh, eat a banana,
drink some water, eat a banana.

1203
00:47:37,845 --> 00:47:38,115
Yeah.

1204
00:47:38,115 --> 00:47:38,116
Yeah.

1205
00:47:38,205 --> 00:47:38,745
Potassium.

1206
00:47:38,745 --> 00:47:41,775
And you, there's no
protocol for horses, right?

1207
00:47:41,955 --> 00:47:42,945
Yeah, there's none.

1208
00:47:43,005 --> 00:47:43,965
There's nothing there.

1209
00:47:43,965 --> 00:47:47,325
So it's just funny that, you know,
you know, oh, when you're done,

1210
00:47:47,325 --> 00:47:50,055
you walk and you stretch and you
do this and then, you know, but

1211
00:47:50,115 --> 00:47:51,735
there's no protocol for the horses.

1212
00:47:51,735 --> 00:47:54,225
So I always got a little
bit fascinated by that.

1213
00:47:54,345 --> 00:47:57,615
Um, and the movement part of
it, and the recovery part of it.

1214
00:47:57,615 --> 00:48:01,904
And, um, I find in Europe too, they,
they do these recovery mashes now where

1215
00:48:01,904 --> 00:48:05,295
you, you can, after they've jumped
hard or at the end across country.

1216
00:48:05,895 --> 00:48:08,805
You make this like sloppy
little, you know, not much.

1217
00:48:08,805 --> 00:48:12,015
It's sort of like, maybe it's total of a
scoop of food, but you make it super wet

1218
00:48:12,015 --> 00:48:16,455
and it's got a lot of electrolytes and
potassium and you know, B12 in the grain

1219
00:48:16,455 --> 00:48:18,105
that they can sort of, so they eat it.

1220
00:48:18,645 --> 00:48:22,035
They replenish themselves
after they've worked hard and

1221
00:48:22,035 --> 00:48:22,875
it's also a treat for them.

1222
00:48:22,935 --> 00:48:24,570
You know, it's got apples and
carrots and stuff like that.

1223
00:48:24,645 --> 00:48:24,705
Yeah.

1224
00:48:24,705 --> 00:48:25,875
Bananas are great for horses.

1225
00:48:25,875 --> 00:48:26,655
Bananas are great.

1226
00:48:26,655 --> 00:48:28,695
My horses have been
eating them like crazy.

1227
00:48:28,695 --> 00:48:32,595
Yeah, I was so, I was looking up And the
potassium is really, really, really good.

1228
00:48:32,595 --> 00:48:33,825
Supportive Banana skins.

1229
00:48:33,825 --> 00:48:36,525
There's that company, that b
complete company that makes

1230
00:48:36,525 --> 00:48:38,025
really good green banana.

1231
00:48:38,445 --> 00:48:41,115
There's something about the green
banana that's really good for their

1232
00:48:41,115 --> 00:48:42,615
muscles and their coats and stuff.

1233
00:48:42,645 --> 00:48:43,090
Yeah, okay.

1234
00:48:43,090 --> 00:48:43,250
Yeah.

1235
00:48:43,455 --> 00:48:44,835
I'm actually gonna get some of that.

1236
00:48:44,835 --> 00:48:45,015
Yeah.

1237
00:48:45,045 --> 00:48:46,905
Green banana, it's called Be complete.

1238
00:48:46,905 --> 00:48:48,135
The letter Be Complete.

1239
00:48:48,135 --> 00:48:48,136
Complete.

1240
00:48:48,141 --> 00:48:51,435
And it's, um, made out of Australia
and they make it, it's a lot of

1241
00:48:51,435 --> 00:48:52,695
it is just sort of ground up.

1242
00:48:52,725 --> 00:48:55,845
I think it's basically
ground up green banana skins.

1243
00:48:56,085 --> 00:48:56,835
Oh, amazing.

1244
00:48:56,835 --> 00:48:56,985
Yeah.

1245
00:48:57,674 --> 00:48:58,185
Oh yeah.

1246
00:48:58,185 --> 00:48:59,685
Well, everybody, that's what I mean.

1247
00:48:59,685 --> 00:49:00,855
I'm gonna be buying that tonight.

1248
00:49:00,855 --> 00:49:01,064
Yeah.

1249
00:49:01,154 --> 00:49:01,754
Be complete.

1250
00:49:01,785 --> 00:49:03,134
Okay, next question.

1251
00:49:04,125 --> 00:49:10,904
How do I know if my horse is fatigued
or just being quote unquote lazy?

1252
00:49:10,964 --> 00:49:15,615
Oh, one of the best ways to actually
do that is to draw some blood on them.

1253
00:49:16,455 --> 00:49:16,754
Oh.

1254
00:49:16,754 --> 00:49:18,134
And see where their blood levels are.

1255
00:49:18,134 --> 00:49:22,004
Because there are some horses that run
very low on B12 and just like, like

1256
00:49:22,004 --> 00:49:23,835
humans, they're almost like quasi anemic.

1257
00:49:24,044 --> 00:49:24,555
Mm.

1258
00:49:24,615 --> 00:49:29,055
Um, and sometimes they just, you
don't know drawing blood on them.

1259
00:49:29,055 --> 00:49:30,015
You can learn a lot.

1260
00:49:30,075 --> 00:49:33,044
That's some, that's another part of what
our, we used to always do to leading

1261
00:49:33,044 --> 00:49:36,734
up to a competition to see if there's
anything that's depleted on them.

1262
00:49:36,825 --> 00:49:38,835
Um, because there's horses that are lazy.

1263
00:49:38,835 --> 00:49:40,665
Like I was saying, that
Horse Stanley, it was cold.

1264
00:49:40,665 --> 00:49:43,484
Like you just like, yeah, you just
had to be, come on Stan, let's go.

1265
00:49:43,484 --> 00:49:43,785
You know?

1266
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:44,100
Mm-hmm.

1267
00:49:44,294 --> 00:49:46,875
Um, and there are horses like
that, but then there are horses

1268
00:49:46,875 --> 00:49:48,915
that, that can fatigue quicker.

1269
00:49:49,004 --> 00:49:50,685
Their muscles don't do as well.

1270
00:49:50,685 --> 00:49:55,274
They get their enzyme levels get a
bit funny and, um, and they know.

1271
00:49:55,965 --> 00:50:00,105
Horses have, you know, lived out on the
prairies for, you know, bazillion years.

1272
00:50:00,105 --> 00:50:03,375
And there are horses that probably
know when their muscles are like, you

1273
00:50:03,375 --> 00:50:05,175
know, Hey, I can't go any further.

1274
00:50:05,205 --> 00:50:06,645
Like, I'm really getting tired now.

1275
00:50:06,645 --> 00:50:07,785
I don't, I don't do well.

1276
00:50:08,265 --> 00:50:10,725
Um, but drawing blood on
them is not very expensive.

1277
00:50:10,725 --> 00:50:13,515
And you can see what the
levels are for your horse.

1278
00:50:13,545 --> 00:50:15,735
Um, and you can know your baseline.

1279
00:50:15,765 --> 00:50:17,415
You can know your baseline exactly too.

1280
00:50:17,445 --> 00:50:17,775
Yeah.

1281
00:50:17,775 --> 00:50:19,995
And even, you know, sometimes
horses get fatigued.

1282
00:50:20,355 --> 00:50:22,455
Um, EPM can make them fatigued.

1283
00:50:22,575 --> 00:50:24,405
The Lyme's disease can make them fatigued.

1284
00:50:24,405 --> 00:50:28,335
And again, I think sometimes people
a lot of times may use that as a,

1285
00:50:29,565 --> 00:50:34,065
not an excuse, but, you know, but at
the, there's ways to, to treat that.

1286
00:50:34,065 --> 00:50:35,475
There's ways we can make them feel better.

1287
00:50:35,475 --> 00:50:37,695
And again, some horses
just run low on B12.

1288
00:50:37,695 --> 00:50:40,215
Like they're, they're, they're trying
to get stronger and their bodies

1289
00:50:40,215 --> 00:50:43,005
just won't let them get stronger
because they don't produce enough.

1290
00:50:43,005 --> 00:50:45,915
And, and if you can help them
out, then, then, you know, there's

1291
00:50:45,915 --> 00:50:50,085
definitely lots of supplements
you can use to help them sort of.

1292
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:51,315
Perk 'em up a bit.

1293
00:50:51,765 --> 00:50:52,755
Especially in the hot weather.

1294
00:50:52,755 --> 00:50:53,085
Right?

1295
00:50:53,115 --> 00:50:53,505
The hot weather.

1296
00:50:53,505 --> 00:50:53,685
Yeah.

1297
00:50:53,715 --> 00:50:54,885
Really, really can zap 'em.

1298
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:55,390
Yeah.

1299
00:50:55,395 --> 00:50:55,635
Yeah.

1300
00:50:55,635 --> 00:50:59,325
I've really found that being in Florida,
the weather really takes a toll.

1301
00:50:59,355 --> 00:50:59,475
Yeah.

1302
00:50:59,475 --> 00:51:01,365
Horses just like, they a toll on us.

1303
00:51:01,365 --> 00:51:01,605
Yeah.

1304
00:51:01,635 --> 00:51:02,565
We get really tired.

1305
00:51:02,985 --> 00:51:05,385
And the other thing, sometimes their
lungs, they're just, they can't get

1306
00:51:05,385 --> 00:51:07,425
enough oxygen into their lungs too.

1307
00:51:07,425 --> 00:51:08,055
So Yeah.

1308
00:51:08,085 --> 00:51:08,835
It's always drawing.

1309
00:51:08,835 --> 00:51:09,675
Blood's always a good thing.

1310
00:51:09,795 --> 00:51:13,395
This isn't a question in the jar, but I
know you and I have nerded out on this.

1311
00:51:13,545 --> 00:51:13,965
Okay.

1312
00:51:14,475 --> 00:51:15,975
Supplements no supplements.

1313
00:51:16,030 --> 00:51:16,905
I Supplements are supple.

1314
00:51:17,205 --> 00:51:17,925
Too many supplements.

1315
00:51:17,925 --> 00:51:18,105
Yeah.

1316
00:51:18,105 --> 00:51:22,815
So supplements are, they're to, you
know, like a human, like we, I take a

1317
00:51:22,815 --> 00:51:27,075
supplement, I have Lyme's disease, so I
take a supplement to help me combat that.

1318
00:51:27,585 --> 00:51:31,905
Um, but that's all I take, you know,
because it's, but you only need

1319
00:51:31,905 --> 00:51:33,165
to give your horse what it needs.

1320
00:51:33,165 --> 00:51:35,985
Like if you feed a really good
grain and you've got good hay and

1321
00:51:35,985 --> 00:51:39,285
stuff like that, it is, you don't
need anything else like grain.

1322
00:51:39,465 --> 00:51:41,295
If you think grain is a supplement, yes.

1323
00:51:41,295 --> 00:51:45,285
Grain is technically a supplement,
so every horse is different.

1324
00:51:45,285 --> 00:51:49,515
So if you have a horse that, and,
and again, as you go up the levels.

1325
00:51:50,055 --> 00:51:52,455
We, you deplete more stuff out of them.

1326
00:51:52,484 --> 00:51:55,544
And so they're gonna probably need some
supplements to help them keep at the level

1327
00:51:55,544 --> 00:51:58,544
vitamin E, B12, all those types of things.

1328
00:51:58,580 --> 00:52:01,004
And, and again, there's
just, there's so much crap.

1329
00:52:01,004 --> 00:52:03,734
I mean, nothing is gonna make
'em stand cidex, nothing.

1330
00:52:03,765 --> 00:52:05,714
There's no supplement in the world
that's gonna make them do that.

1331
00:52:05,714 --> 00:52:06,015
Right?

1332
00:52:06,585 --> 00:52:10,154
I mean, there's people like feeding these
supplements to make their horses blacker.

1333
00:52:10,154 --> 00:52:11,714
I'm like, come on.

1334
00:52:11,714 --> 00:52:14,835
Just, you know, keep them covered
during, don't turn 'em out at night.

1335
00:52:14,835 --> 00:52:18,524
You know, it's, um, and again,
it's like, it's supposed to be

1336
00:52:18,524 --> 00:52:19,964
like an overall wellness thing.

1337
00:52:19,964 --> 00:52:23,415
Like, I think, like, like that be
complete thing is it's all natural.

1338
00:52:23,444 --> 00:52:23,714
Right?

1339
00:52:23,714 --> 00:52:28,575
There's um, um, uh, succeed is a
natural supplement that's supposed to

1340
00:52:28,575 --> 00:52:30,585
be helping for the overall body health.

1341
00:52:30,585 --> 00:52:30,645
Yeah.

1342
00:52:30,645 --> 00:52:32,444
It's like a multivitamin E type thing.

1343
00:52:32,595 --> 00:52:32,685
Yeah.

1344
00:52:32,714 --> 00:52:34,665
Platinum Performance
makes great supplements.

1345
00:52:34,665 --> 00:52:37,814
Specific supplements for
specific horses that need mm-hmm.

1346
00:52:38,205 --> 00:52:40,875
Minute different things,
joint supplements.

1347
00:52:41,024 --> 00:52:41,384
Sure.

1348
00:52:41,384 --> 00:52:43,694
Find, I think there's some that
are definitely better than others.

1349
00:52:44,174 --> 00:52:48,225
Um, and you know, I just
think that, um, we wanna.

1350
00:52:49,095 --> 00:52:52,425
We as horse owners and horse lovers,
we wanna make them feel really good.

1351
00:52:52,425 --> 00:52:54,285
And so we end up like,
Ooh, they're like this.

1352
00:52:54,315 --> 00:52:55,725
Ooh, this is super important.

1353
00:52:55,725 --> 00:52:58,215
And you know, somebody else has been
using it, it works for their horse.

1354
00:52:58,215 --> 00:53:00,915
So, you know, we jump on
the bandwagon as well.

1355
00:53:00,915 --> 00:53:00,945
Oh.

1356
00:53:00,945 --> 00:53:02,565
And it's that easy just with one click.

1357
00:53:02,565 --> 00:53:05,115
I mean, I've been guilty of
always supplementing my horses.

1358
00:53:05,145 --> 00:53:05,505
Yeah.

1359
00:53:05,505 --> 00:53:07,185
And, and it's crazy.

1360
00:53:07,185 --> 00:53:10,545
And then at the end of the day, you've
spent all this money and it's just

1361
00:53:10,545 --> 00:53:11,835
sitting in the bottom of their feed tub.

1362
00:53:11,865 --> 00:53:14,055
'cause they're like, yep.

1363
00:53:14,085 --> 00:53:15,975
It's just a bunch of powder and crap.

1364
00:53:15,975 --> 00:53:18,195
And you don't know what's working either.

1365
00:53:18,285 --> 00:53:18,645
Do you know?

1366
00:53:18,645 --> 00:53:21,765
And, and that's like when we,
we had our horses on different

1367
00:53:21,765 --> 00:53:23,985
supplements throughout, you
know, when they were competing.

1368
00:53:23,985 --> 00:53:26,325
But when they went on holiday,
we took them off of everything.

1369
00:53:26,655 --> 00:53:27,435
Oh.

1370
00:53:28,065 --> 00:53:30,555
Took all their supplements
just for, for like four weeks.

1371
00:53:30,555 --> 00:53:34,245
Unless it was something that was like
a medication type of thing, just took,

1372
00:53:34,335 --> 00:53:37,275
took them straight off of it just so
they could literally, their livers,

1373
00:53:37,275 --> 00:53:39,525
everything could just clear right out.

1374
00:53:39,555 --> 00:53:40,545
Oh, I love that.

1375
00:53:40,905 --> 00:53:44,235
Just sort of be back to normal
and I think, and introduce

1376
00:53:44,235 --> 00:53:45,705
them back in as we needed to.

1377
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,200
It's also important to mention
that supplements, especially horse

1378
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,380
supplements, but most supplements, even
human supplements are not regulated.

1379
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:52,950
No.

1380
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:54,450
There are very few that are regulated.

1381
00:53:54,450 --> 00:53:55,080
Absolutely.

1382
00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:00,600
So I've started really looking
at the back of, of a, of a label

1383
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,260
of what is actually in it and
what does my horse actually need.

1384
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:07,050
Um, that one's a real mind bender.

1385
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:07,260
Yeah.

1386
00:54:07,260 --> 00:54:10,350
Because when you realize that like
anyone can put anything into anything.

1387
00:54:10,350 --> 00:54:10,440
Yeah.

1388
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,380
And then you can put that in your versus
body and you can sell it as, you know,

1389
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:18,570
like, Hey, this is a, you know, be
all great, all jump fast, jump clear,

1390
00:54:18,570 --> 00:54:20,310
you'll stop pulling on the left reign.

1391
00:54:20,310 --> 00:54:22,470
You know, you can market
whatever you want.

1392
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:25,860
There's no, you know, we'll call
this, we'll call this one Right.

1393
00:54:25,860 --> 00:54:28,230
Reign and we'll call this bucket the
left re, you know, and you can, you

1394
00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:29,550
know, you can do all those things.

1395
00:54:29,550 --> 00:54:29,760
So.

1396
00:54:29,820 --> 00:54:29,970
Yeah.

1397
00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:32,640
And you know what, what's crazy about the
horse world is that people would buy that.

1398
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:32,970
I know.

1399
00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:33,570
Exactly.

1400
00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:35,155
I know, I know, I know.

1401
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,810
'cause we want it so badly.

1402
00:54:36,990 --> 00:54:38,100
We're so passionate.

1403
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:38,640
Yeah.

1404
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:39,210
Yes.

1405
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:39,780
Amen.

1406
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:39,990
Dude.

1407
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:40,200
Yeah.

1408
00:54:40,290 --> 00:54:41,070
Best way to put it.

1409
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:41,640
Okay.

1410
00:54:43,245 --> 00:54:43,995
This was the, okay.

1411
00:54:43,995 --> 00:54:46,215
This was the first question that
I wrote down today and I loved it.

1412
00:54:46,485 --> 00:54:48,315
What's the secret to a shiny horse?

1413
00:54:48,945 --> 00:54:49,875
Good nutrition.

1414
00:54:51,165 --> 00:54:51,825
Baseline.

1415
00:54:52,455 --> 00:54:54,975
Good nutrition doesn't
need to be a curry comb.

1416
00:54:55,245 --> 00:54:57,615
I remember you actually said
this to me when we had coffee.

1417
00:54:57,615 --> 00:55:00,975
Once you're like, shiny shine
comes from the inside out.

1418
00:55:00,975 --> 00:55:01,515
Inside out.

1419
00:55:01,515 --> 00:55:01,575
Yeah.

1420
00:55:01,575 --> 00:55:02,235
Not the outside in.

1421
00:55:02,235 --> 00:55:04,965
Yeah, because you think you drive
down the road and there's retired

1422
00:55:04,965 --> 00:55:07,575
horses on the side of the road
and they're like glistening.

1423
00:55:08,145 --> 00:55:09,105
They don't get brushed.

1424
00:55:09,105 --> 00:55:10,305
There's no product on them.

1425
00:55:10,305 --> 00:55:12,255
They're just like healthy
and they're shiny.

1426
00:55:12,405 --> 00:55:12,885
Yeah.

1427
00:55:13,665 --> 00:55:13,995
Yeah.

1428
00:55:14,535 --> 00:55:14,925
Easy.

1429
00:55:14,985 --> 00:55:15,975
Super simple guys.

1430
00:55:15,975 --> 00:55:17,475
Like for like a good nutrition.

1431
00:55:17,535 --> 00:55:18,765
I love that base.

1432
00:55:19,455 --> 00:55:19,845
Yeah.

1433
00:55:20,475 --> 00:55:21,045
Okay.

1434
00:55:21,555 --> 00:55:22,365
That was easy.

1435
00:55:22,425 --> 00:55:22,875
No, no.

1436
00:55:22,935 --> 00:55:23,835
And a curry comb.

1437
00:55:24,585 --> 00:55:25,035
Okay.

1438
00:55:25,155 --> 00:55:27,705
Actually, I wanna add in this,
because this was one of the best

1439
00:55:27,705 --> 00:55:30,135
tips that I got and I'm really
interested what you think about this.

1440
00:55:30,855 --> 00:55:31,215
Okay.

1441
00:55:31,665 --> 00:55:32,024
Metal.

1442
00:55:32,024 --> 00:55:36,615
Larson said to me, if you can do anything,
if you're like super strapped for time,

1443
00:55:36,615 --> 00:55:38,654
if there's anything you can do, bur Yeah.

1444
00:55:38,865 --> 00:55:39,165
Yeah.

1445
00:55:39,225 --> 00:55:41,535
Because of the fascia lines.

1446
00:55:41,595 --> 00:55:41,924
Yes.

1447
00:55:41,955 --> 00:55:43,964
Because of your horse's fascia.

1448
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:44,069
Yeah.

1449
00:55:44,075 --> 00:55:44,325
Yeah.

1450
00:55:44,384 --> 00:55:47,714
And I remember, like, I was like, all the
years I've been in this industry, she said

1451
00:55:47,714 --> 00:55:50,055
that and she was like, don't forget that.

1452
00:55:50,055 --> 00:55:50,205
Yeah.

1453
00:55:50,205 --> 00:55:51,585
And I was like, that's amazing.

1454
00:55:51,585 --> 00:55:54,254
It helps if you think of the fascia
lines, and it even starts getting blood

1455
00:55:54,254 --> 00:55:56,234
into their muscles to warm them up.

1456
00:55:56,265 --> 00:55:58,665
And then you can also see
if they're sore somewhere.

1457
00:55:58,665 --> 00:55:59,535
You can know.

1458
00:55:59,774 --> 00:55:59,984
Yeah.

1459
00:56:00,044 --> 00:56:02,955
As you're curing, I mean, obviously some
horses are always sore in their back

1460
00:56:02,955 --> 00:56:06,705
when you're curing them, but you know,
if it's your horse and you know them, you

1461
00:56:06,705 --> 00:56:11,924
should always know every ancient ounce of
everything on your horse is, um, they'll,

1462
00:56:11,924 --> 00:56:15,345
you know, like where, where something
might not be quite right shoulder back,

1463
00:56:15,345 --> 00:56:16,365
you know, this, that, the other thing.

1464
00:56:16,365 --> 00:56:16,665
But yeah.

1465
00:56:16,665 --> 00:56:16,995
Curry.

1466
00:56:17,504 --> 00:56:18,734
Such a good, sound good.

1467
00:56:18,855 --> 00:56:19,484
I love that tip.

1468
00:56:19,515 --> 00:56:19,754
Yep.

1469
00:56:20,654 --> 00:56:24,435
What are the most crucial or
creative details in a barn?

1470
00:56:24,435 --> 00:56:25,515
Oh, I love this question.

1471
00:56:25,544 --> 00:56:25,815
Okay.

1472
00:56:26,924 --> 00:56:30,225
What are the most crucial or
creative details in a barn design?

1473
00:56:30,585 --> 00:56:33,285
That make the daily tasks easier.

1474
00:56:33,735 --> 00:56:36,345
Layout water system.

1475
00:56:36,825 --> 00:56:37,785
That's a good one.

1476
00:56:38,265 --> 00:56:38,505
Yeah.

1477
00:56:38,535 --> 00:56:41,085
I really selfishly wanna know
what your answer is to this.

1478
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:47,565
I, I was at a, um, a barn in
Europe that actually, I love this.

1479
00:56:47,625 --> 00:56:51,615
They had a hay drop, but the
hay drop doesn't go up top.

1480
00:56:51,615 --> 00:56:54,045
It goes down low.

1481
00:56:54,795 --> 00:56:57,795
So, because hay, you know when
horses are eating out of a hay thing?

1482
00:56:57,795 --> 00:56:58,005
Yeah.

1483
00:56:58,005 --> 00:57:01,875
This, they're, it's not always great
for their neck, so it dropped down.

1484
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:02,150
Mm-hmm.

1485
00:57:02,535 --> 00:57:05,025
So it, so you're never
having hay in the aisles.

1486
00:57:05,175 --> 00:57:05,355
Yeah.

1487
00:57:05,445 --> 00:57:09,225
You have the hay gets delivered up top,
you just don't, don't drop it down.

1488
00:57:09,795 --> 00:57:13,875
Um, and it does, they have a opening
on the very bottom so you can sweep it

1489
00:57:13,875 --> 00:57:15,225
out and, you know, fill it up that way.

1490
00:57:15,225 --> 00:57:16,155
It's sort of about that big.

1491
00:57:16,155 --> 00:57:18,705
So small enough that you can't get
a foot in there, but big enough that

1492
00:57:18,705 --> 00:57:20,685
you can sweep it, that stuff out.

1493
00:57:21,135 --> 00:57:23,595
And I love that 'cause the horses
can constantly put their heads

1494
00:57:23,595 --> 00:57:26,055
down and it keeps everything in
the corner there, which I loved.

1495
00:57:26,055 --> 00:57:27,735
And they don't screw it
all over their stalls.

1496
00:57:28,605 --> 00:57:32,865
Um, automatic waters, eh, they're
the good news and the bad news

1497
00:57:32,865 --> 00:57:34,485
with those is that they do break.

1498
00:57:34,485 --> 00:57:35,655
Horses will lean on them.

1499
00:57:35,895 --> 00:57:36,675
That's a mess.

1500
00:57:36,675 --> 00:57:38,985
And you can't monitor their water intake.

1501
00:57:39,045 --> 00:57:39,315
Yeah.

1502
00:57:39,705 --> 00:57:44,955
Um, so even just, you know, I always
make sure my, my, I like to have my water

1503
00:57:44,955 --> 00:57:49,155
buckets on one side and my feed on the
other side, just so they're not making

1504
00:57:49,155 --> 00:57:51,285
their water buckets all manky and nasty.

1505
00:57:51,795 --> 00:57:52,815
Um, or their hay.

1506
00:57:52,815 --> 00:57:54,945
They're, you know, I know some horses
like to dunk hay, but they will

1507
00:57:54,945 --> 00:57:56,115
figure out how to dunk their hay.

1508
00:57:56,235 --> 00:57:56,415
Mm-hmm.

1509
00:57:56,415 --> 00:57:58,125
You know, but you're
keeping the water clean.

1510
00:57:58,995 --> 00:58:02,505
Um, doors that slide
versus doors that open.

1511
00:58:03,225 --> 00:58:03,615
Oh, yeah.

1512
00:58:03,615 --> 00:58:05,685
Because that's, um, that's
just a spatial thing.

1513
00:58:05,715 --> 00:58:10,215
'cause I, you know, um, doors that open
don't sometimes all the way open and

1514
00:58:10,395 --> 00:58:13,755
yeah, horses can get scared of that and
they'll get their hips stuck and that's,

1515
00:58:13,905 --> 00:58:15,585
they, you know, can bolt in and out.

1516
00:58:16,545 --> 00:58:19,785
Um, windows are very important for horses.

1517
00:58:19,845 --> 00:58:22,125
Airflow really important.

1518
00:58:23,129 --> 00:58:26,069
Keeping the, you know, the paddock
and the barn on one side, and then

1519
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:29,250
if you have like cars and stuff on
the other horses, people, you know?

1520
00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:29,790
Yeah.

1521
00:58:29,790 --> 00:58:30,689
That's a big thing.

1522
00:58:30,689 --> 00:58:32,759
I think that's a, that's
a cri critical thing.

1523
00:58:32,939 --> 00:58:33,810
I actually love this.

1524
00:58:33,810 --> 00:58:37,560
I was over looking at
Karen Wolf's place Yeah.

1525
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,129
Recently, because I've heard about
her tracks system and I, she's talks

1526
00:58:41,129 --> 00:58:43,919
a lot about how she basically has
a setup where she doesn't even,

1527
00:58:44,189 --> 00:58:46,589
she tries to do it so she doesn't
have to put a halter on, actually.

1528
00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:47,310
Oh, I know.

1529
00:58:47,310 --> 00:58:49,169
It's like very, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1530
00:58:49,169 --> 00:58:49,950
Parts of the horse world.

1531
00:58:50,220 --> 00:58:52,169
But I personally was
like fascinated by this.

1532
00:58:52,169 --> 00:58:52,410
Right.

1533
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:57,480
And what I loved was, she said that,
and this was a really, really good tip,

1534
00:58:58,140 --> 00:59:02,339
was she like, kind of similar to what
you just said, like when you come into

1535
00:59:02,339 --> 00:59:07,950
the property, the front of the property
has all the like, like tractor and Yeah.

1536
00:59:07,950 --> 00:59:09,210
Machinery or whatever.

1537
00:59:09,214 --> 00:59:09,395
Yeah.

1538
00:59:09,569 --> 00:59:13,290
And then she has the fence and then
all the horse, like the majority of the

1539
00:59:13,290 --> 00:59:15,390
property is basically for the horses.

1540
00:59:15,419 --> 00:59:15,660
Right.

1541
00:59:15,870 --> 00:59:17,370
And for horse activities or whatever.

1542
00:59:17,939 --> 00:59:20,339
And so what she wanted to do is create.

1543
00:59:21,060 --> 00:59:24,779
An environment in which, if a
horse got out right or if a horse

1544
00:59:24,779 --> 00:59:28,230
was loose or whatever, that there
wasn't a place in which they could

1545
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:30,299
go and get really badly hurt.

1546
00:59:30,330 --> 00:59:30,509
Yeah.

1547
00:59:30,569 --> 00:59:31,259
Yep, yep, yep.

1548
00:59:31,380 --> 00:59:33,509
And so it's like if a horse gets
loose or something's happening or

1549
00:59:33,509 --> 00:59:35,339
whatever, she's not like, oh no.

1550
00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:35,520
Yeah.

1551
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,490
Like what if my horse is gonna get a
foot in the drag or something like that.

1552
00:59:38,490 --> 00:59:38,609
Yeah.

1553
00:59:38,910 --> 00:59:41,520
They have everything tucked away.

1554
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:41,790
Yeah.

1555
00:59:41,790 --> 00:59:43,620
In a very particular part of the property.

1556
00:59:43,799 --> 00:59:45,600
And then everything else is horse safe.

1557
00:59:45,630 --> 00:59:45,900
Yeah.

1558
00:59:46,259 --> 00:59:48,060
And I thought that was brilliant.

1559
00:59:48,089 --> 00:59:52,950
Yeah, I totally, yeah, it's, it's
exactly, that's a very good point.

1560
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:58,650
It's like you keep, keep horses on
one side, equipment on the other.

1561
00:59:58,650 --> 01:00:00,060
'cause you need the
equipment at a farm, right?

1562
01:00:00,060 --> 01:00:01,470
You have to have the stuff there, right?

1563
01:00:01,470 --> 01:00:01,471
Yeah.

1564
01:00:01,476 --> 01:00:02,970
You need the drugs, you
need this, you need that.

1565
01:00:02,970 --> 01:00:06,810
But to keep that separated and
then it's, it's also more peaceful,

1566
01:00:06,810 --> 01:00:09,450
it's prettier to look at, you
know, there's all those things too.

1567
01:00:09,450 --> 01:00:10,404
All those, yeah.

1568
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:11,700
Yeah.

1569
01:00:12,025 --> 01:00:16,380
And yeah, it's, um, just
being practical I guess, too.

1570
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:18,420
It's like sometimes you just
sort of need things that work

1571
01:00:18,420 --> 01:00:19,799
for you personally, you know?

1572
01:00:20,745 --> 01:00:26,985
What is the best practice for turning out
high energy horses during show season?

1573
01:00:27,495 --> 01:00:32,235
High energy horse, keeping the, keeping
them going out every ti every day I

1574
01:00:32,235 --> 01:00:37,365
think is important because then it's not
like a, I'm actually out trying to keep

1575
01:00:37,365 --> 01:00:40,515
their routine very similar to every day.

1576
01:00:40,515 --> 01:00:46,035
I had a couple that were bizarre and
they had to be in the same paddock

1577
01:00:46,035 --> 01:00:48,015
next to the same horse every day.

1578
01:00:48,315 --> 01:00:48,975
Oh, I love that.

1579
01:00:48,975 --> 01:00:50,235
And you had to just do that.

1580
01:00:50,235 --> 01:00:53,295
And that's, I mean, it was annoying,
but that was the only way they were

1581
01:00:53,295 --> 01:00:54,735
gonna be okay in their turnout.

1582
01:00:54,735 --> 01:00:57,555
And then sometimes you'd have to, it, you
know, depending on your riding schedule

1583
01:00:57,555 --> 01:01:00,975
and that day, you might have to cut it
short, but they have to get out every day.

1584
01:01:01,125 --> 01:01:04,275
You know, they just, it can't be
like once a week type of thing,

1585
01:01:04,275 --> 01:01:07,095
because of course they're gonna,
it's like a dog being cooped up.

1586
01:01:07,095 --> 01:01:08,205
You finally let it out to run out.

1587
01:01:08,205 --> 01:01:09,255
It's like, what?

1588
01:01:09,255 --> 01:01:13,395
You know, they get so excited or
small child, they need to keep moving.

1589
01:01:13,395 --> 01:01:13,665
Right.

1590
01:01:13,665 --> 01:01:16,515
And, you know, monitor them
and, and a lot of times, horses

1591
01:01:16,515 --> 01:01:18,230
like friends, they want a buddy.

1592
01:01:19,424 --> 01:01:22,665
You know, they really want to, you
know, we've had horses come in that are

1593
01:01:23,055 --> 01:01:27,194
jumping horses from Europe that haven't,
haven't been turned out in whatever.

1594
01:01:27,254 --> 01:01:27,734
Oh yeah.

1595
01:01:28,004 --> 01:01:30,825
And you know, my other half's a
very big, as an Australian, a big

1596
01:01:30,825 --> 01:01:35,535
believer of horses being out in their
paddocks mo more than not, you know?

1597
01:01:35,535 --> 01:01:37,634
And so, and if they, they just don't know.

1598
01:01:37,634 --> 01:01:40,815
And so you get the, we have two
retired horses on the property and

1599
01:01:40,815 --> 01:01:42,765
that's their job is to be buddies.

1600
01:01:42,765 --> 01:01:43,335
The buddies.

1601
01:01:43,335 --> 01:01:47,294
And to teach these horses how
to, how to be, you know, and

1602
01:01:47,294 --> 01:01:48,345
they just, they need a friend.

1603
01:01:48,404 --> 01:01:50,415
They, they do much better with a pal.

1604
01:01:50,504 --> 01:01:51,375
Isn't that amazing?

1605
01:01:51,375 --> 01:01:53,444
'cause that also gives a
job for the retired horse.

1606
01:01:53,444 --> 01:01:53,805
Yes.

1607
01:01:53,835 --> 01:01:54,075
Yeah.

1608
01:01:54,105 --> 01:01:55,065
Which is remarkable.

1609
01:01:55,125 --> 01:01:55,395
Yeah.

1610
01:01:55,605 --> 01:01:57,825
And seniority exists in horse herds.

1611
01:01:57,825 --> 01:01:58,035
Yes.

1612
01:01:58,035 --> 01:01:58,785
Like it exists.

1613
01:01:58,785 --> 01:01:58,995
Yeah.

1614
01:01:58,995 --> 01:01:59,625
Human herd.

1615
01:01:59,625 --> 01:01:59,835
Yeah.

1616
01:02:00,165 --> 01:02:00,524
Right.

1617
01:02:00,555 --> 01:02:02,955
And then it's important
the elders teach us Yeah.

1618
01:02:02,984 --> 01:02:03,794
How to be, yeah.

1619
01:02:03,855 --> 01:02:07,125
We've had the one that literally the horse
will be canning around it and the retired

1620
01:02:07,125 --> 01:02:08,384
horse will just walk right up ahead.

1621
01:02:08,444 --> 01:02:08,745
Right.

1622
01:02:08,745 --> 01:02:09,375
Like cut 'em off.

1623
01:02:09,705 --> 01:02:11,145
And he is like, look, there's grass.

1624
01:02:11,145 --> 01:02:13,004
Be one with the grass eat.

1625
01:02:13,785 --> 01:02:14,085
You know?

1626
01:02:14,085 --> 01:02:14,865
And it's so funny.

1627
01:02:14,865 --> 01:02:15,225
And they, me.

1628
01:02:15,825 --> 01:02:17,024
Yeah, exactly.

1629
01:02:17,024 --> 01:02:17,520
You know, it's like.

1630
01:02:17,835 --> 01:02:19,875
You know, Zen hum.

1631
01:02:20,115 --> 01:02:23,355
You know, and they, um, they,
yeah, they, they like a friend.

1632
01:02:23,415 --> 01:02:24,585
They, they're herd animals, you know?

1633
01:02:24,585 --> 01:02:25,575
They do, they like a friend.

1634
01:02:25,575 --> 01:02:28,785
So it's, um, I love that advice
though, because it's like, okay,

1635
01:02:28,785 --> 01:02:31,395
if you have a horse that's having
a hard time in turnout, like

1636
01:02:31,815 --> 01:02:34,125
the answer is not less, no more.

1637
01:02:34,185 --> 01:02:36,435
No, I think it's more because
they, you can't, yeah.

1638
01:02:37,275 --> 01:02:39,135
They just, they gotta be balanced.

1639
01:02:40,215 --> 01:02:40,695
I love that.

1640
01:02:40,695 --> 01:02:41,085
Okay.

1641
01:02:41,295 --> 01:02:42,435
We'll do last question.

1642
01:02:43,425 --> 01:02:48,435
What is your post jump school care
routine for horses, especially ones

1643
01:02:48,435 --> 01:02:50,145
that are a little bit more fragile?

1644
01:02:50,745 --> 01:02:50,775
Oh.

1645
01:02:51,495 --> 01:02:56,265
Um, first of all, knowing why they're
fragile I think is really important.

1646
01:02:56,385 --> 01:02:58,905
Um, depends on how much
they've been jumping.

1647
01:02:59,205 --> 01:03:04,005
The ones that are super fragile, they will
always get iced after they jump or gallop.

1648
01:03:04,005 --> 01:03:07,065
'cause I think that's, um, why not?

1649
01:03:07,485 --> 01:03:10,065
Yeah, but I don't think you,
I think they need, they.

1650
01:03:10,725 --> 01:03:12,944
A lot of people are like, oh, are
you gonna ice them more than once?

1651
01:03:12,944 --> 01:03:16,545
But at, because at the same time, yes, you
wanna ice them and you wanna look after

1652
01:03:16,545 --> 01:03:19,935
them, and you, you, you know, the quicker
you can get 'em into the ice, the better.

1653
01:03:20,325 --> 01:03:23,174
But at the same time, you also
need to know if they're not okay.

1654
01:03:24,015 --> 01:03:24,555
Do you know what I mean?

1655
01:03:24,555 --> 01:03:25,484
I think it's really important.

1656
01:03:25,484 --> 01:03:27,345
'cause sometimes people are
like, oh, be super fragile.

1657
01:03:27,345 --> 01:03:28,395
Just ice 'em twice.

1658
01:03:28,755 --> 01:03:32,714
And then if you ice 'em twice,
then you, then it takes away, uh,

1659
01:03:32,714 --> 01:03:34,065
you don't get any inflammation.

1660
01:03:34,065 --> 01:03:34,305
Right?

1661
01:03:34,305 --> 01:03:35,174
You get no feedback.

1662
01:03:35,174 --> 01:03:36,315
And so then you never know.

1663
01:03:36,315 --> 01:03:40,424
So then maybe, or maybe you ice 'em three
times and then they're feeling, they

1664
01:03:40,424 --> 01:03:43,605
feeling really good and then they jump
really hard again the next time and,

1665
01:03:43,935 --> 01:03:45,615
and then it actually does more damage.

1666
01:03:45,615 --> 01:03:46,125
Do you know what I mean?

1667
01:03:46,125 --> 01:03:50,654
Like there's, that can be, um, um,
counter counteractive part to all of that.

1668
01:03:50,654 --> 01:03:50,714
Yeah.

1669
01:03:50,714 --> 01:03:54,105
The answer is not, like, more and more
more is not always more, you know?

1670
01:03:54,105 --> 01:03:54,404
Yeah.

1671
01:03:54,404 --> 01:03:56,205
So, I mean, yes, they should get iced.

1672
01:03:56,234 --> 01:03:59,265
Um, and again, a thousand
different ways to ice these horses.

1673
01:03:59,265 --> 01:04:00,765
But, um, and, and movement.

1674
01:04:00,975 --> 01:04:02,444
Gotta move 'em, move, move, move too.

1675
01:04:02,955 --> 01:04:06,765
The quicker you can get 'em ice, those ice
on their legs, the better it is for them.

1676
01:04:07,275 --> 01:04:12,315
Um, and again, if it's a foot, if it's
a fetlock, if it's high suspensory,

1677
01:04:12,315 --> 01:04:15,045
you know, make sure that that part's,
that's the part that's getting iced.

1678
01:04:15,495 --> 01:04:17,895
Um, and then, you know, have
a look at them later and just,

1679
01:04:17,895 --> 01:04:19,905
you know, manage management.

1680
01:04:19,905 --> 01:04:24,075
Good feet, good chewing,
good, you know, warmup.

1681
01:04:24,075 --> 01:04:24,285
Good.

1682
01:04:24,285 --> 01:04:24,945
Cool down.

1683
01:04:24,945 --> 01:04:27,855
You know, warmup is a really, like, you
know, sometimes you watch these jumper

1684
01:04:27,855 --> 01:04:31,425
guys, they get on, they do one lapa
trot and they just go right to canner.

1685
01:04:31,425 --> 01:04:36,075
I'm thinking, I know, you know,
walking I know is so critical for

1686
01:04:36,075 --> 01:04:40,185
them and, and moving and, and you
know, all the walking is so good.

1687
01:04:40,275 --> 01:04:43,815
I a great, great, great,
great horseman say that.

1688
01:04:43,875 --> 01:04:47,655
We actually, almost everyone
doesn't walk enough.

1689
01:04:47,715 --> 01:04:48,915
No, absolutely.

1690
01:04:48,915 --> 01:04:51,375
And if you think you do walk
enough, I walk some more.

1691
01:04:51,375 --> 01:04:52,545
He's like, we're, yeah.

1692
01:04:52,545 --> 01:04:53,505
You're not walking enough.

1693
01:04:53,535 --> 01:04:54,105
No, exactly.

1694
01:04:54,105 --> 01:04:55,035
And I'm guilty of it.

1695
01:04:55,035 --> 01:04:55,875
We're all guilty of it.

1696
01:04:55,875 --> 01:04:59,865
And I think the more instant
gratification that we look for

1697
01:04:59,865 --> 01:05:01,995
as humans, I think the worst.

1698
01:05:02,355 --> 01:05:04,395
Absolutely the worst thing in the world.

1699
01:05:04,455 --> 01:05:06,375
I, so they say that all the time.

1700
01:05:06,404 --> 01:05:06,615
Yeah.

1701
01:05:06,615 --> 01:05:07,305
Gratification.

1702
01:05:07,305 --> 01:05:08,654
Horses do not mix.

1703
01:05:08,654 --> 01:05:11,205
They just, you cannot, it's supplements.

1704
01:05:11,205 --> 01:05:12,315
You cannot fix it now.

1705
01:05:12,345 --> 01:05:13,845
Like it is a process.

1706
01:05:13,904 --> 01:05:18,345
It is, um, you know, it's a long-term
process of listening to your horses,

1707
01:05:18,345 --> 01:05:21,660
looking at them, knowing and doing the
whole thing and then, you know, yeah.

1708
01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:23,415
It's not, it's not instant.

1709
01:05:23,415 --> 01:05:23,475
Yeah.

1710
01:05:23,595 --> 01:05:24,495
God, I wish it was.

1711
01:05:24,495 --> 01:05:25,095
Wouldn't that be fun?

1712
01:05:25,335 --> 01:05:27,555
So I think, I love that
you brought up walking.

1713
01:05:27,585 --> 01:05:27,884
Yeah.

1714
01:05:27,915 --> 01:05:32,145
Because I actually think walking,
walking before and walking after Yeah.

1715
01:05:32,565 --> 01:05:34,060
Is as important.

1716
01:05:34,065 --> 01:05:34,274
Yeah.

1717
01:05:34,515 --> 01:05:35,504
As icing.

1718
01:05:35,504 --> 01:05:35,714
Yeah.

1719
01:05:35,745 --> 01:05:36,435
As important.

1720
01:05:36,435 --> 01:05:36,645
Oh, yeah.

1721
01:05:36,705 --> 01:05:38,805
As all the fancy machines
that you're gonna get.

1722
01:05:38,955 --> 01:05:39,225
Yeah.

1723
01:05:39,435 --> 01:05:40,305
Oh, absolutely.

1724
01:05:40,365 --> 01:05:43,725
I love, like, if there were one other
thing that you could, you know, one thing

1725
01:05:43,725 --> 01:05:45,975
that you would put on a farm is a walker.

1726
01:05:46,335 --> 01:05:49,335
I think the walkers are so great to
be able to put a horse on a walker.

1727
01:05:49,544 --> 01:05:50,714
Especially the older ones.

1728
01:05:50,714 --> 01:05:52,815
They can move before you ride them.

1729
01:05:52,815 --> 01:05:55,424
They can move if they are, you
know, if you have limited turnout

1730
01:05:55,424 --> 01:05:59,504
or something, they can always get
moving and then they move themselves.

1731
01:05:59,504 --> 01:06:00,060
They're like, you know.

1732
01:06:00,915 --> 01:06:03,464
Treadmills are one thing, but
the treadmill, when it moves, it

1733
01:06:03,464 --> 01:06:05,024
basically moves their front feet.

1734
01:06:05,084 --> 01:06:06,044
It moves their feet back.

1735
01:06:06,044 --> 01:06:09,765
So they're not actually getting the
whole natural step of pulling themselves.

1736
01:06:09,765 --> 01:06:10,095
Yes.

1737
01:06:10,245 --> 01:06:14,024
And also on a walker, they can put
their heads down, they can turn right.

1738
01:06:14,024 --> 01:06:17,055
They can turn left, they can stretch
their over their backs and do all

1739
01:06:17,055 --> 01:06:22,004
those things and not just sort of be
like, you know, board to death too.

1740
01:06:22,185 --> 01:06:22,455
Right.

1741
01:06:22,455 --> 01:06:23,205
On those things.

1742
01:06:23,205 --> 01:06:23,895
Oh God.

1743
01:06:23,895 --> 01:06:24,165
I know.

1744
01:06:24,165 --> 01:06:25,185
Treadmill can't imagine.

1745
01:06:25,185 --> 01:06:26,145
They're great for rehab.

1746
01:06:26,355 --> 01:06:27,345
They're, yeah, they're rehab.

1747
01:06:27,375 --> 01:06:29,444
I will say they're great
for rehab, but Yeah.

1748
01:06:29,805 --> 01:06:30,044
Yeah.

1749
01:06:30,044 --> 01:06:32,564
But, and they have a place,
they do definitely have a

1750
01:06:32,564 --> 01:06:34,245
place, Aqua Treads, treadmills.

1751
01:06:34,245 --> 01:06:36,015
They have a tremendous place.

1752
01:06:36,044 --> 01:06:36,105
Yeah.

1753
01:06:36,105 --> 01:06:37,515
I mean, they really, really do.

1754
01:06:37,544 --> 01:06:37,785
Yeah.

1755
01:06:38,145 --> 01:06:43,424
Um, but I love that that's a walking,
that's how they were formed is on the

1756
01:06:43,424 --> 01:06:44,984
planes and, and it's waiting loose.

1757
01:06:45,524 --> 01:06:46,305
Just moving.

1758
01:06:46,365 --> 01:06:46,845
Movement.

1759
01:06:46,845 --> 01:06:47,234
Movement.

1760
01:06:47,294 --> 01:06:48,134
Constant movement.

1761
01:06:48,134 --> 01:06:48,404
Yeah.

1762
01:06:48,555 --> 01:06:49,484
Yeah, yeah.

1763
01:06:49,515 --> 01:06:49,785
Yeah.

1764
01:06:49,785 --> 01:06:54,464
I actually, the more I learn,
the more I realize that movement

1765
01:06:54,794 --> 01:06:56,654
with horses is like critical.

1766
01:06:56,654 --> 01:06:59,084
Such a preventative.

1767
01:06:59,115 --> 01:06:59,475
Oh yeah.

1768
01:06:59,610 --> 01:07:03,150
Absolutely, but not active,
like passive movement Yeah.

1769
01:07:03,870 --> 01:07:06,840
Is remarkably important.

1770
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:07,170
Yeah.

1771
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,340
And the more we keep them stalls
and the more we limit Yeah.

1772
01:07:11,370 --> 01:07:14,220
Their movement, the more
prone they are to Yeah.

1773
01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:16,950
The more prone they are to behavior,
the more prone they are to Yeah.

1774
01:07:17,130 --> 01:07:22,800
Just you think about them letting them,
you watch a Carl Hester or a, um, any of

1775
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:27,270
those guys, um, Stefan Peters, when you
watch them school their horses, those

1776
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:30,720
horses are collected and then they drop
the rants and they let them trot along

1777
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:31,920
in their movement, doing their movement.

1778
01:07:32,130 --> 01:07:34,290
Then they collect them again,
and then they let them go.

1779
01:07:34,290 --> 01:07:38,160
And they do these big, you know, they sort
of stretch and walk and do their things.

1780
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,420
And it's, and those horses have
such long careers and longevity,

1781
01:07:42,420 --> 01:07:43,740
especially as dressage horses.

1782
01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:46,560
They don't, they, you know, they're
a little bit more protected than

1783
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:47,940
an event horse or a jumping horse.

1784
01:07:47,940 --> 01:07:50,550
They're, you know, they don't,
they, they're stuck in a 20

1785
01:07:50,550 --> 01:07:52,230
by 60 always making a turn.

1786
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:52,440
Right.

1787
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:53,430
They're always on a turn.

1788
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:54,960
They're never on a
straight line, are they?

1789
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:55,740
You know, so true.

1790
01:07:55,740 --> 01:07:57,330
Turning, turning, turning, turning.

1791
01:07:57,335 --> 01:07:58,105
And so, yeah.

1792
01:07:58,755 --> 01:07:59,384
That's crazy.

1793
01:07:59,415 --> 01:08:01,694
Well, and Carl Hester's
horses, they get turned out.

1794
01:08:01,815 --> 01:08:03,015
It get turned out in pairs.

1795
01:08:03,045 --> 01:08:03,255
Yeah.

1796
01:08:03,345 --> 01:08:04,245
And they, yeah.

1797
01:08:04,725 --> 01:08:09,345
I remember at the, at the Tokyo Olympics,
Charlotte Dere, Dan's horse and Carl

1798
01:08:09,345 --> 01:08:13,185
Hester's horse were at the trot up and the
two of them were scratching each other.

1799
01:08:13,815 --> 01:08:17,955
And I thought, very rarely do you
see two dressage horses that A,

1800
01:08:17,955 --> 01:08:19,095
are allowed to be near each other.

1801
01:08:19,095 --> 01:08:22,455
B would actually touch each other's
C or actually grooming each other.

1802
01:08:22,845 --> 01:08:26,175
And the Rus and grooms are laughing
and loving every single minute of it.

1803
01:08:26,175 --> 01:08:27,225
And the, everybody's happy.

1804
01:08:27,225 --> 01:08:30,104
It was such a great, it was so fun to see.

1805
01:08:30,375 --> 01:08:31,305
It was so cool.

1806
01:08:31,309 --> 01:08:31,439
Yeah.

1807
01:08:31,444 --> 01:08:34,604
And if you don't believe us guys,
there's an amazing, we did an awesome

1808
01:08:34,694 --> 01:08:36,644
staling with Torah with Carl Esther.

1809
01:08:36,675 --> 01:08:37,215
Oh, did you?

1810
01:08:37,220 --> 01:08:37,680
That's so cool.

1811
01:08:37,875 --> 01:08:40,064
And he goes, and like, they go cracking.

1812
01:08:40,064 --> 01:08:44,385
And they, yeah, they, and he was like,
if anyone has, you know, if he starts

1813
01:08:44,385 --> 01:08:45,765
the video basically saying like.

1814
01:08:46,125 --> 01:08:49,965
So if everyone's ever asked me if
I turn my horses out, yes I do.

1815
01:08:50,295 --> 01:08:52,785
And they go out in pairs
and then look behind me.

1816
01:08:52,785 --> 01:08:56,474
And they were like, when we were there
filming, they were out in these huge

1817
01:08:56,474 --> 01:09:01,665
acre ac, multi acre postures with
their like all their rain gear on.

1818
01:09:01,665 --> 01:09:02,144
Yeah.

1819
01:09:02,144 --> 01:09:02,145
Yeah.

1820
01:09:02,205 --> 01:09:02,595
Raining.

1821
01:09:02,984 --> 01:09:08,535
But then out in pairs together, like
I was like, oh, this is how everybody,

1822
01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:10,245
this is how, this is how it should be.

1823
01:09:10,245 --> 01:09:10,514
Yeah.

1824
01:09:10,604 --> 01:09:11,234
Good lives.

1825
01:09:11,535 --> 01:09:11,984
Good lives.

1826
01:09:12,014 --> 01:09:12,375
Yeah.

1827
01:09:12,705 --> 01:09:12,974
Okay.

1828
01:09:12,974 --> 01:09:15,675
So to conclude every episode, okay.

1829
01:09:15,675 --> 01:09:17,505
I always ask these five rapid farts.

1830
01:09:17,535 --> 01:09:18,135
Oh God.

1831
01:09:18,135 --> 01:09:18,915
Okay.

1832
01:09:18,915 --> 01:09:19,545
I'm so excited.

1833
01:09:19,724 --> 01:09:20,054
Are you ready?

1834
01:09:20,054 --> 01:09:21,135
Can I have a sip of water first?

1835
01:09:21,135 --> 01:09:21,434
Hold on.

1836
01:09:23,774 --> 01:09:26,505
So I try to be smart and witty and
I'm really not, so there we go.

1837
01:09:26,505 --> 01:09:27,495
Yes, you totally are.

1838
01:09:28,035 --> 01:09:28,365
Okay.

1839
01:09:28,365 --> 01:09:28,366
Okay.

1840
01:09:28,934 --> 01:09:32,444
If you could read one book to the
horse world, what would it be?

1841
01:09:32,955 --> 01:09:34,514
If I could read one
book to the horse world?

1842
01:09:34,575 --> 01:09:34,904
Yeah.

1843
01:09:34,965 --> 01:09:35,804
The Phantom Toll booth.

1844
01:09:35,835 --> 01:09:36,255
What's that?

1845
01:09:36,314 --> 01:09:37,304
I'd have never heard of it.

1846
01:09:37,304 --> 01:09:40,125
It's a great, it's a great book
about adventure and learning

1847
01:09:40,125 --> 01:09:41,925
things and being things.

1848
01:09:41,925 --> 01:09:42,135
Yes.

1849
01:09:42,135 --> 01:09:43,035
Amazing.

1850
01:09:43,559 --> 01:09:44,399
That's the first.

1851
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:45,599
No one's ever brought that one.

1852
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:46,950
I love the fandom.

1853
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:49,919
Toba, who is the most
iconic horse in history?

1854
01:09:50,490 --> 01:09:54,509
Most iconic horse in history
would be probably a horse.

1855
01:09:54,570 --> 01:10:00,509
Um, maybe Big Ben, because that's a, that
horse won every, everybody knew who beg, I

1856
01:10:00,509 --> 01:10:05,250
mean, in it, again, I'm dating myself, but
I think everybody knows who Big Ben was.

1857
01:10:05,339 --> 01:10:05,669
Yeah.

1858
01:10:05,759 --> 01:10:07,285
He was a legend, I would say.

1859
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:08,190
I know.

1860
01:10:08,190 --> 01:10:09,405
Can Amazing Canadian horse.

1861
01:10:09,665 --> 01:10:10,084
He was amazing.

1862
01:10:10,325 --> 01:10:10,405
Canadian.

1863
01:10:10,605 --> 01:10:11,160
Canadian rider.

1864
01:10:11,459 --> 01:10:11,759
Yeah.

1865
01:10:11,759 --> 01:10:16,980
I mean, big Ben was sort of the, the
thing, the guy, he was pretty iconic.

1866
01:10:17,009 --> 01:10:17,370
Yeah.

1867
01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:17,429
Yeah.

1868
01:10:18,450 --> 01:10:21,330
Most undervalued skill as a rider.

1869
01:10:22,230 --> 01:10:22,919
Patience.

1870
01:10:24,419 --> 01:10:26,129
So patience.

1871
01:10:27,330 --> 01:10:30,030
It's the hardest thing to know,
but it's the most important.

1872
01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:30,719
Totally.

1873
01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:31,019
Is.

1874
01:10:31,019 --> 01:10:31,259
Yeah.

1875
01:10:32,190 --> 01:10:35,309
Who is the greatest horseman
or horse woman in history.

1876
01:10:36,959 --> 01:10:37,589
Wow.

1877
01:10:37,889 --> 01:10:38,129
Yeah.

1878
01:10:38,129 --> 01:10:39,209
Not a hard question at all.

1879
01:10:40,545 --> 01:10:42,225
There's a myriad list of people.

1880
01:10:42,285 --> 01:10:43,365
Um, wow.

1881
01:10:43,455 --> 01:10:44,895
Um, in your opinion.

1882
01:10:45,495 --> 01:10:47,955
Oh, oh God.

1883
01:10:47,955 --> 01:10:51,795
I don't even, I can't even,
what was, who was the first

1884
01:10:51,795 --> 01:10:52,875
person that came to your mind?

1885
01:10:53,985 --> 01:10:55,545
Well, you know, Karen and David.

1886
01:10:55,545 --> 01:10:58,755
'cause I worked for them and I think they
were, they're both incredible horsemen.

1887
01:10:58,755 --> 01:11:00,045
David's a very, very good horseman.

1888
01:11:00,045 --> 01:11:01,905
Karen is too, but in a different way.

1889
01:11:01,935 --> 01:11:03,585
David has studied it a lot more.

1890
01:11:03,585 --> 01:11:06,195
He's been a real student
of the sport to study.

1891
01:11:06,315 --> 01:11:08,385
Yeah, the horsemanship side of it.

1892
01:11:08,415 --> 01:11:11,715
Um, and understanding, I mean, there's
other people that you think of horsemen,

1893
01:11:11,715 --> 01:11:15,615
but, um, it's a little gimmicky and
stuff like that, that you'd like.

1894
01:11:15,795 --> 01:11:16,575
Yeah, it's good.

1895
01:11:16,575 --> 01:11:20,745
But, um, but then there's other
people from way back when I, I, you

1896
01:11:20,745 --> 01:11:25,035
know, I worked, um, one of the guys
I worked for had Joey Darby was,

1897
01:11:25,575 --> 01:11:29,655
um, had kept a horse with us and he
taught me so much about a little bit

1898
01:11:29,655 --> 01:11:31,245
of horsemanship and the special ones.

1899
01:11:31,245 --> 01:11:33,225
And so I see him as a horseman too.

1900
01:11:33,225 --> 01:11:37,065
And, um, you know, some of these old time.

1901
01:11:37,620 --> 01:11:41,250
Eventing legends and, you know, yes,
they were tough on horses, but at the

1902
01:11:41,250 --> 01:11:42,960
same time they were also horsemen.

1903
01:11:43,530 --> 01:11:47,250
Um, so it's a bit of a, it can be a bit
of a controversial answer, you know, in

1904
01:11:47,250 --> 01:11:52,770
some ways, but, um, um, God, you know,
even like Jack Logoff was an incredible

1905
01:11:52,770 --> 01:11:56,040
horseman, but he was, again, tough
on his riders, tough on his horses.

1906
01:11:56,370 --> 01:12:00,450
He asked a lot of them, but was also
very, um, you know, that was a guy that

1907
01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:05,220
could put his hands on any horse's leg
blindfolded and could tell you exactly

1908
01:12:05,220 --> 01:12:08,310
what the horse it was because he knew
what every single horse's legs felt like.

1909
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:08,940
Wow.

1910
01:12:08,970 --> 01:12:10,320
He was, he was incredible.

1911
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:15,000
And he w he just taught that sort
of side of it, um, of the, of

1912
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,590
the horsemanship side of that un
understanding, that long format.

1913
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:21,720
You just got touched by horsemanship,
but, so anyway, this is supposed to

1914
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,140
be rapid fire and I have no answer to
this question, so I don't really, I'm

1915
01:12:25,140 --> 01:12:26,370
trying to think of the right people.

1916
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,640
I don't know what, what's the
most common answer on this one?

1917
01:12:29,850 --> 01:12:30,450
There isn't.

1918
01:12:30,510 --> 01:12:30,930
Okay.

1919
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:31,590
No.

1920
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:33,180
The one that I loved.

1921
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,219
I think it was David's answer.

1922
01:12:35,309 --> 01:12:35,940
'cause I agree.

1923
01:12:35,940 --> 01:12:40,860
David is, and I just wanna like add I do
think David is like, he's like a student.

1924
01:12:41,070 --> 01:12:45,035
He is a, such a student of, of
sport, of of equestrian Yeah.

1925
01:12:45,094 --> 01:12:45,540
Of yeah.

1926
01:12:45,540 --> 01:12:50,849
Like, of Equestrianism as
like a body of knowledge.

1927
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:51,179
Yeah.

1928
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:56,460
You know, and it is really his,
his podcast is one of my favorites.

1929
01:12:56,460 --> 01:12:59,670
It's like, it's like I learn
something from every time I

1930
01:12:59,670 --> 01:13:00,955
said, yeah, I learned something.

1931
01:13:00,955 --> 01:13:01,155
Yeah.

1932
01:13:01,530 --> 01:13:07,019
Um, but I think his, like, the one that
I found the most fascinating answer to

1933
01:13:07,019 --> 01:13:09,330
this question is, um, we'll never know.

1934
01:13:10,170 --> 01:13:10,469
Yeah.

1935
01:13:10,469 --> 01:13:11,910
Actually that's a, that is very true.

1936
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:12,840
We will never know.

1937
01:13:13,410 --> 01:13:13,559
Yeah.

1938
01:13:13,559 --> 01:13:16,740
I remember years ago David asked, there
was a group of sort of that younger

1939
01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:20,849
generation of, you know, when Hannah
Subnet and Lauren and, uh, tech actually

1940
01:13:20,849 --> 01:13:24,540
was there when, when he, 'cause he worked,
uh, at Karen and David's with us and.

1941
01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:26,340
Sort of that generation.

1942
01:13:26,340 --> 01:13:31,140
Bobby Meyerhoff, um, Libby
Lono, um, Alexa Peril.

1943
01:13:31,140 --> 01:13:37,140
There was sort of that we had probably
about like eight between like 18 and

1944
01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:40,770
25 year olds riding with us at the time
and, you know, working for us and stuff.

1945
01:13:41,370 --> 01:13:42,960
And he is like, here's
a question for y'all.

1946
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:43,950
And he was like, what?

1947
01:13:43,950 --> 01:13:48,090
And he said, if you wanted to be
known, remembered as a, as a, uh,

1948
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:52,260
good competitor, or, oh, did you
wanna, do you wanna be known as

1949
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:53,880
being successful or good horseman?

1950
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:57,120
And everyone's like, oh, successful.

1951
01:13:57,210 --> 01:13:59,640
And I remember there's two of them
that sort of sat back and thought,

1952
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,820
and they're like, well, if you're good
horseman, you're gonna be successful.

1953
01:14:02,850 --> 01:14:05,190
And David's like, boom, that's the answer.

1954
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:07,380
And it was just such an interesting thing.

1955
01:14:07,380 --> 01:14:09,630
'cause like, you know, the quick
off the cuff thing was like, oh, you

1956
01:14:09,635 --> 01:14:11,910
wanna be successful, you wanna be
remembered from being successful.

1957
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:15,630
And so it was just kind of funny
to sit and like watch those guys

1958
01:14:15,630 --> 01:14:18,480
sort of think it through and have
the conversation with each other.

1959
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:20,460
It was one of those,
you know, dinner party.

1960
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,330
Conversations, extra glass
of wine pontificating.

1961
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,640
Um, but it was really,
that is a David question.

1962
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:26,760
Yeah.

1963
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,200
It's definitely a David question.

1964
01:14:28,530 --> 01:14:31,230
It was, um, and just watching
the way people reacted to

1965
01:14:31,230 --> 01:14:32,790
the answer and then, oh yeah.

1966
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:33,450
No, I take it back.

1967
01:14:33,450 --> 01:14:35,490
I take it back, you
know, it's really funny.

1968
01:14:35,490 --> 01:14:36,540
So Yeah.

1969
01:14:36,540 --> 01:14:36,990
But we, yeah.

1970
01:14:36,990 --> 01:14:37,980
We don't know who the Yeah.

1971
01:14:37,980 --> 01:14:39,030
It's still don't know.

1972
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,050
And Yeah.

1973
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,660
And they're, and I bet the
greatest horsemen out there

1974
01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:43,860
are people we don't even know.

1975
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:44,760
Well, that's it.

1976
01:14:44,820 --> 01:14:45,090
Yeah.

1977
01:14:45,150 --> 01:14:48,180
That's the, that is what that
question, that's what the answer means.

1978
01:14:48,210 --> 01:14:48,540
Yeah.

1979
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,380
Is that the great, the
truly, truly great ones Yeah.

1980
01:14:52,650 --> 01:14:56,010
Are the ones that live their lives Yeah.

1981
01:14:56,010 --> 01:14:59,040
Did their things and never
stepped into those spotlight.

1982
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:03,510
Just like, you know, that old saying,
like, the best, the best course you'll

1983
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:06,510
ever jump, the best test you'll ever ride.

1984
01:15:06,510 --> 01:15:08,340
The best cow you'll ever Yeah.

1985
01:15:08,340 --> 01:15:09,240
Hu won't be in public.

1986
01:15:09,300 --> 01:15:09,930
Won't be in public.

1987
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:10,200
No.

1988
01:15:10,350 --> 01:15:12,495
It'll be Is it like somewhere someday?

1989
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:14,070
I know when's watching.

1990
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:14,580
Exactly.

1991
01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:15,001
It's just for you.

1992
01:15:15,006 --> 01:15:15,780
Yeah, exactly.

1993
01:15:15,780 --> 01:15:16,082
It's just for you.

1994
01:15:16,355 --> 01:15:18,840
And, and, and that
sometimes has to be enough.

1995
01:15:19,770 --> 01:15:19,980
Yeah.

1996
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:20,730
Ooh.

1997
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:21,060
Yeah.

1998
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:22,920
Which is true Scheming.

1999
01:15:24,030 --> 01:15:24,240
Yeah.

2000
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,070
That does, does have to be enough.

2001
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:27,300
Sometimes it just has to be enough.

2002
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:27,720
Yeah.

2003
01:15:28,710 --> 01:15:29,040
Okay.

2004
01:15:29,190 --> 01:15:29,940
Last question.

2005
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:31,500
God that're so good.

2006
01:15:31,769 --> 01:15:33,900
Um, marere stallions or geldings?

2007
01:15:34,350 --> 01:15:35,070
Oh, a marere.

2008
01:15:35,940 --> 01:15:36,510
Yes.

2009
01:15:36,510 --> 01:15:37,680
I love a good mare.

2010
01:15:37,710 --> 01:15:38,190
Oh my God.

2011
01:15:38,190 --> 01:15:38,910
I love a good mare.

2012
01:15:39,450 --> 01:15:43,590
The good mares are so good,
and they're so, they, they

2013
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:46,800
are, um, they fight for you.

2014
01:15:47,010 --> 01:15:51,180
They have, most of them have
really good self preservation.

2015
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:52,470
Mm. They will look after you.

2016
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:53,400
If you're friends with them.

2017
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,440
They're friends with you,
and they will look after you.

2018
01:15:55,440 --> 01:16:00,780
And they, they dig in when, when push
comes to shove and you need them to, to

2019
01:16:00,780 --> 01:16:03,930
dig in a little bit harder, they will
dig in a little bit harder for you.

2020
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:05,490
They definitely will.

2021
01:16:05,490 --> 01:16:10,470
And they, and they're also, I find
most mares are, um, the good mares

2022
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:13,650
are a lot more self-confident
and they don't get attached.

2023
01:16:14,355 --> 01:16:17,595
Like the gelding will geldings
get a bit, um, emotional.

2024
01:16:17,895 --> 01:16:20,385
And I think a good mayor
just is very independent.

2025
01:16:20,835 --> 01:16:23,145
They appreciate the friendship,
but they don't need it.

2026
01:16:23,235 --> 01:16:23,685
Mm-hmm.

2027
01:16:24,165 --> 01:16:24,855
So yeah.

2028
01:16:24,915 --> 01:16:25,095
Good.

2029
01:16:25,095 --> 01:16:25,900
Mare is so good.

2030
01:16:27,675 --> 01:16:29,025
A good Mayor, max.

2031
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,715
I. Just so grateful.

2032
01:16:32,775 --> 01:16:33,975
The thing on the podcast.

2033
01:16:34,005 --> 01:16:34,485
This is fun.

2034
01:16:34,575 --> 01:16:35,565
Finally, we got this done.

2035
01:16:37,290 --> 01:16:37,965
It took a while.

2036
01:16:38,325 --> 01:16:38,835
It's all good.

2037
01:16:39,165 --> 01:16:39,495
Yeah.

2038
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