Tigers lock up Kevin McGonigle to $150mil extension, Jarren Duran flips off fan for inhumane comment

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Speaker 1: Here we go, Todfather, Kratz braun with you.

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Speaker 2: Jackie Robinson Day April fifteenth, also Tax Day, but more importantly Jackie Robinson Day.

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Speaker 1: Krats.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do Kratz at tire right off the jump because it's relevant.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you got it, you gotta wear it on this day. Like everybody's gonna wear number forty two. The fact that I got you can't see it on the back, but obviously they had a cool patch this year. This was twenty nineteen. I don't know if they do the same patch every year, but everybody wears number forty two. This was the one jersey that I got to keep Slash Soul because every other year's every other year. It was like you're walking in from the field and they take the jersey and they take it right off your back, and you're like, I'd like to keep that, Like it's it's something that is It's one of the only memorable jerseys that I have besides like different like milestones in my own personal career, and it's something that I know exactly where it's at, like it's my time with the Giants was really short. But the fact that I got to wear the forty two jersey and keep it pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say misplaced the jersey. Of course I stole it. I stole it. Now you didn't.

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Speaker 5: Still you wore the jersey. It's your jersey. You know, you should be able to keep it. But yeah, man, what he endured, what he had to go through, you know, talking with guys like C. C. Sabathia, Brandon Phillips, and you know just how enlightened and how they understand and know that, you know, they wouldn't be here if it wasn't for guys like Jackie Robinson playing in this in baseball terms. But yeah, it's truly remarkable. I think it's a great day for everybody all over the world, baseball fans all over the world, to cherish and remember a true hero, you know, on and off the field, of Jackie Robinson.

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Speaker 2: Let's show the couple of uniforms that we have for everyone before we get into the new So here's the National Baseball Hall of Fame showing the jersey used by the Dodgers to retire Jackie's iconic number forty two in nineteen seventy two, preserved in the Hall of Fame collection. And then this was a nice little addition for UCLA Baseball. They just posted today how Jackie Robinson's granddaughter Sonya Robinson, stepped into unveil UCLA's new Jackie Robinson inspired uniforms.

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Speaker 5: Love it, Love it very nice. I can't wait to see the ones today. Maybe maybe a little throwback action, but I don't know. I think they'll keep it kind of newish. Maybe Dodgers have something really cool if their sleeves.

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Speaker 4: That'd be nice.

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Speaker 2: Always something good cooking on a daylight today, So we think about Jackie, and I'm sure we'll get to more on that throughout the show.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to some news.

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Speaker 2: A newsy day charging the mound with a big boy contract for Kevin McGonagall. And we've got a big boy guest right off the top here one of the stars of Hot sheet on Baseball America and rights for BA, Jeff Ponds, joining us right now. Jeff, good to see you McGonagall hooking up with eight years and one hundred and fifty million dollars on tax day. Maybe he saw how much he was actually going to pull in on the league minimum and said, you know what, one.

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Speaker 1: Fifty sounds good.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this deal and the real rush we've had of extensions during the season right now for top end prospects turned big leaguers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think, you know, you look at it, it's the biggest contract extension we've seen for technically a prospect. He still has prospect status. It's not a contract where he's signing after you know, they haven't seen him in the big leagues. And I think, like we look at the skills, you know, at the plate, we didn't have a lot of doubt about what McGonagall could do, and he's showing it, you know, in spades. He's hitting the ball pretty hard, pretty consistently. The barrel rates fine, but it's the underlying skills with McGonagall that's always kind of been the selling point four point nine percent swinging strike rate. In his first case of the big leagues, he's not expanding the zone, making tons of contact in it. He makes pitchers work for every out. I think you see him grind out at bats and just the type of hitter that he is. And then he's really versatile in the field. I'm not gonna say he's gonna win a Gold Glove at shortstop, but this is a guy that has the ability to play second base, shortstop, third base, all in an average or maybe slightly above average level at peak. I think that's really valuable just in terms of how you can build this team, how you can put your lineup together from day to day. And he's just, you know, he's a gritty Pennsylvania kid that you know, just wants to go out there and win games. And I think there's a lot to buy in here when you're looking at a guy like McGonagall, And I think, you know, the big thing I want to bring up is, do you guys think that there is an impact in terms of the labor stuff that's going to be down the road as to why a lot of these contracts are getting signed. You know, is there going to be a salary cap our teams put potentially be trying to buy years that maybe they're not going to get, you know, in contracts or team control that they have now. I kind of wonder if a lot of these really aggressive extensions have something to do with, you know, the upcoming you know, labor fight that's going to happen this offseason.

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Speaker 2: Jeff to other and you don't think so Kratz go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Not totally I mean, I can get really into big conspiracy theories. My theory is there's a lot of money, The market is flushed with money, and they're handing down one hundred and fifty million dollars to guys that you just don't know what he's gonna become. Is Kevin McDonald hit twelve home runs a year and make make one hundred and forty one hundred and fifty million dollars, Like I think teams are like, ah, there, the market is flushed with money. They're giving Cooper Pratt fifty million dollars for it in two thirty eight. In double A they're given Cole Emerson, who I think it could be next Chase Uttley type of player. Ninety million eight hasn't even sniffed the big league, So I don't if there's anything, If there's any conspiracy theory, I think there could be something in the CBA where if you sign younger guys, guys that you drafted, came up through your system, it doesn't hit against the luxury tax threshold type of thing. That's my only conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 2: The other thing to keep in mind is, yeah, there are some stricter limitation on money, like a cap, you would expect more of a blow up after the season with free agency. Last time we had the lockout, a lot of guys were signed right before that, not that there was as much of a fight.

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Speaker 1: Looming over a cap.

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Speaker 2: But to me, Jeff, I mean, with the people I've spoken to, it's mostly just, Hey, the bargain and surplus value on guys like this is so worth the risk. In so many cases here, everyone's basically just looking for the Hey, eight years one hundred mil for Ronald Acunya Junior. If he was a free agent, he would have made over five hundred million dollars, right, He's flat, He's year stuff like that. So I think that's a big factor. The only other part I'll say, and then I'll kick it to.

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Speaker 1: I know his question is could there be maybe a limitation on years?

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Speaker 2: Right, if we actually do see some drastic change in the league, do they say, okay, free agency starts a year sooner. Right, there's not the six or seven year balance. It's just six, but now it's going to five or whatever it is. It could be much less. And then you go down and you look and you're like, ah, I got my guy, my superstar locked in for double the years because that part's not going to change.

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Speaker 1: A contract is a contract that's firm.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think, like, if you're going to cap salaries, you know, the players Association has to get something on the other side. And I think getting guys to free agency earlier is important. I think there's a lot of players now that are good players that don't get to free agency in their prime earning years, you know, twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine years old, good players, guys that are all stars, Like a guy like Brendan Dunovan's not going to get the free agency until he's thirty one or thirty two. You know that happens two years earlier, he's probably making quite a bit more money, So you know, it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out. I do think ultimately you're right, it's about surplus value. It's about being able to get these guys under contract and then looking back in two years and saying, yeah, you know, Kevin McGonagall was worth X right now, but we're only paying in this much. And you know, Roman Anthony, we've seen so many of these sort of contracts over the last couple of years, so really interesting to see how it all comes together. I do believe in the player, Kevin McGonagall. I think you look at the skills, I think their power is going to come. I'm not too worried about that. It's a guy that knows how to backspin in the ball to his pull side and really just is a super optimized profile at the plate and strong enough defensively that you don't have questions as to like, Okay, I worry about putting this guy in the field every day and making us look bad. Kratz.

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Speaker 3: So, first of all, there's not gonna be a cap. Second of all, you got me superjuiced because you said a gritty Pennsylvania guy love that we should clip it and just run it back and forth, gritty Pennsylvania guy for all these soft new ins that are on the show. But my question is where's the most value out of him? Now they've locked in how much he costs. Where is his most value is the fact that he's going to be a guy that should play one hundred and sixty two games bouncing around at different positions. Because to me, I don't know that you're necessarily getting the value there unless you build your lineup. Because you think about super showers, you think about guys that are going to be on the in the organization for eight years. You don't think, yeah, he was a great utility guy. No, you think about great utility guys. Is Josh Harrison the guy that's we're gonna have on later in the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean, but you also could think about in a modern sense, Mookie Bets, right, Like, how valuable is Mooky Bets to the Dodgers being able to, you know, build that team the way they want to go after certain free agents in the outfield, et cetera. I think it's about flexibility, and you know that's something that I've heard from team officials over the last couple of years. I think the most value you're going to get from this guy, and he's played mostly short stop to date, the most val you're going to get out of this guy is it's somebody's not going to strike out. It's a contact hitter without being you know, a guy who constantly goes the other way and kind of inside outs the ball and just gets on basis this isn't Jacob Wilson. And that's no disrespect to Jacob Wilson, but you know, you look at a guy like this, this is somebody that I think can be a super charge kind of Dustin for drou And I know we're going to the dominiative guy here, but just someone who swings hard can get into his pullside and backspin. It makes really smart decisions on the bases. Like he's just a heady baseball player too, Like this is a baseball rat all right.

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Speaker 3: Now, the comparison, he got ten million extra dollars. He's two years older then Connor Griffin. Compare them because of Baseball America slighted Kevin McGonagall by putting him second. So you guys did this, and he said, screw that. I'm getting ten extra million even though I am two years older. But compare the two of them and the future. But also a little bit that they've done in the big league so far.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, obviously we haven't seen the same production at the plate from Griffin. He's a better defender. The upside for what Griffin can be at shortstop, I think is a Gold Glove caliber shortstop. This could be this is a Bobby Witt junior kind of bucketed player, Like that's the same sort of class a player that I think. The upside is. Mcgonald just physically doesn't have those tools. You know, Griffin isnt off the charts sort of athlete on par with Bobby Wit Junior, Elie de la Cruz, those kind of guys. Just the things that he can do. I mean, I saw him in spring training, his first spring training in center field. He was probably a seventy out there. You know, like, this is a guy that can be a plus plus defender potentially at multiple positions. The approach is a little bit more raw. The direction in terms of like the angles and that sort of thing is a little bit more flat. Mcgonagall's just like completely optimized. He's also a couple of years older, a little longer along in his pro career. But I just think you look at the overall tools, the overall upside, and that's why you know, ultimately Griffin is the number one prospect in baseball. And I think when we look at, you know, the prospects that I've covered, you know, even prior to my time at BA, probably going back eleven years now, this is on par with the Kunya and you know, these best prospects that we've covered, McGonagall is not far off. I mean this probably it's him and Vlad Junior are probably the two best minor league hit tools that I've ever seen, just in terms of being able to hit a variety of pitch shapes, pitch locations, being able to adjust even when they're fooled. The hit ability is there with Griffin. I think he'll continue to make strides in that regard. He's really heady about how he hits. I think you even saw that first double in his debut and his dad's kind of talking about that being Connor's corner and they're they're they're hitting in the hit tracks and working on that sort of thing. I mean, it's not like this guy's just showing up to the park. You know, I don't want to sort of underplay his work or you know, uh, the way that he thinks about the game because it's very advanced. You know, he's still young. I think there's still some elements he's got less Upper Miners experience than McGonagall does, but it but it will all come together. I mean I saw a series where they played against each other last September, and you know, there was no question Griffin was the superior player in that series. Small sample sized stuff, you know, go back to I guess I'm quoting Dustin Perdrouya a lot today. But you go to back to Paedroya, you know, talking about guys struggling and it's like figure it out and it's laser show. I think we're going to see that with with Griffin. We're going to see this guy go off for a month and everything's gonna be like, Aha, Okay, that's what they were seeing. Just take some adjustment period, and hey, we should give him credit. He got that. He got that amount of money out of the Pirates. That's not easy to do.

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Speaker 3: No doubt, No doubt Pirates has some short arms there. You know, they have the t Rex arms when it comes to paying for stuff. But they paid him. But also he did. Dustin Perdroya made one hundred and thirty nine million dollars in his career and now McGonagall, who my question is going to be about, is going to make one hundred and fifty guaranteed. My question is where's the floor? Because when you guys talk about and I think we had JJ Cooper on he was talking about that, we were talking about Griffin, we were talking about McGonagall, and everybody talks about the ceiling. Bobby Witt is what you said, where do you feel like the floor is? Where could it go? Where could it go wrong? I guess that sounds negative, but where could it go wrong for McGonagall and the Tigers be like ugh, And you can't use the word injury because injuries don't count, because that's where everybody can have an injury.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, if the if the power maybe doesn't progress or translate the way that we think it does. I mean you kind of said it earlier, you know, if he's more of like a mid teens home run guy with a good, not great hit tool. I think that's the concern, you know, the fact that he could be be somewhat limited at shortstop and that gets exposed eventually. I don't know if that's going to happen, but it's certainly in the realm of possibility. I mean, these guys could always underperform a little bit. We don't typically see prospects at this level have floors that are kind of below at least a multi time All star though. We just don't really see that unless there's a massive injury. So it's tough, you know. And I think the same thing with Griffin, like maybe there's more strikeout more with here than we think. The approach backs up a little bit, but I still think in time that stuff is going to get adjusted out. So maybe they're not superstars. They're more really good players, more a fifty five versus a seventy.

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Speaker 4: Interesting interesting, good take there.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk you know, we've been talking about McGonagall and others, but is there a prospect right now that maybe on your radar that's been talked about that is the next person to sign. I feel like there's always a topple effect when this happens and other teams are like, well, we got it, we got a cat right now, maybe we'll start talking to him and get him going. So do you feel like there might be another, maybe one or two guys, And if so, who do you have in mind?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean I think JJ weatherholt Is is kind of an obvious one. He's three on our board up in the big leagues. You know, homer last I think he had a multi homer game last night, actually performing at the plate. He's a really good defender at short, doesn't have doesn't isn't going to play short with the Cardinals because they have Mason Wynn. Of course, but a guy that you know, can be in plus second basement, probably an above average to plus third baseman. He runs really well, kind of does all those things really good makeup as well, kind of like a future clubhouse leadership kind of guy. I could see him signing an extension. I think the other one you have to look at here, and he's probably the air to the number one prospect thrown once Griffin McGonagall and weather Halt will graduate by probably the end of this month beginning of next month. Saesus made and we've already seen some track record with this with the Jackson Curio extension before he had debuted. It's probably a year out if he continues to do what he's doing in Double A as young as he is as a night you know, eighteen nineteen year old, it's a strong possibility this guy is up in the big leagues at nineteen twenty years old and signs for, you know, a pretty sizable extension. Honestly, any of these guys in the top twenty five at this point kind of all fit that that sort of profile of a player that could sign for an extended deal. It's just a matter of, you know, whether the agents want to do it, or the player wants to take that risk of going to free agency and you know, potentially striking it much bigger.

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Speaker 1: And I will say this for the Brewers.

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Speaker 2: Cooper Pratt signed before, who knows when he makes it to the big leagues. In addition to what you said with Churio, the Brewers are the perfect organization that if they're as in love with Jesus made as I would say, beyond just you and the industry has talked him up now for a couple of years. They are throwing money his way and seeing if he will catch anything there. We do have to jump so job, I'm gonna let you go because I want to bring him question to the crew here.

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Speaker 1: But really appreciate you hopping on.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and congrats to Kevin McGonagall for making this happen, for this little combo.

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Speaker 6: Right, shout out to the Tigers and Kevin McGonagall making it happen.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, right, Thank you, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: You can catch Jeff of course all over Baseball America's coverage and on hot sheet. I just want to bring it to Todd father into Krafts for a moment here too, before we hit the brake and then we'll keep rolling here on FT. But thanks to Jeff for popping on and giving us more info on Kevin McGonagall. Last thing here, guys, Todd father one late note that stood out to me. If he gets traded, he gets five million dollars. Any time he gets traded during the course of this deal, gets traded twice five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: What does that do?

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Speaker 2: That does create somewhat of a barrier to almost lead to a note trade class. Still looking into this and just something to keep in mind that there might be some teams have certain rules and restrictions with contracts and who they give no trades to and all of that. But that's the one part that just came in that really stood out to me too. Is you see assignment bonuses. They're called for five hundred k or a million bucks, five million dollars every time you try and trade my ass says Kevin McGonigal.

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Speaker 4: I love it because it helps out with the moving period. Five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: What movers are you hiring, bro?

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Speaker 4: He fantastic, Absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 5: You know you got some creative agencies out there that would think of stuff like that. That is beautiful. You want to trade me five million? How you doing? That's just in all in the day's work. I guess, so where do I sign? But yeah, it's interesting. Yeah. Usually guys are like, listen, if you don't pick up my contract, I get you know, a million dollars, million dollars, you know, team option, player option, all that stuff, go ahead and trade me. I've been traded three or four times. I would have made twenty million dollars. That's pretty cool exactly.

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Speaker 4: That's why.

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Speaker 2: And it's gonna tell a team. Hey, I mean, I don't know if this is worth the trade. Now do you see a world? Of course it should work out. He should be a franchise cornerstone for years to come. But it does provide some extra security that you even for a you know, a younger player for younger player move. It doesn't happen often, but if it did, it just it adds a little wrinkle there that would make teams second guess if they actually want to do something.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, I want to be with the team.

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Speaker 2: If they're not going to give me a no trade, I'm going to get a lot of money for being dealt.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I've never heard of this. I mean I've heard small ones, but not like, hey, you don't want to give it no trade because everybody's like, yeah, no trade. I was part of the you know the thing with Boston. Yeah, they didn't want to add the no trade for Bregman. Obviously you don't want to get hung out to dry it. Be it a place that says gonna win and then they're not five million?

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Speaker 4: Who trade?

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Speaker 2: Me?

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Speaker 1: Hey, props to.

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Speaker 2: Ken Lee Janson who is now all alone for third place in saves in Major League Baseball. So that updated number there, This is before it from Baseball World, but it's now for seventy nine. Lee Smith was at four seventy eight, tied with him, and now it's just Trevor Hoffman and Marianna Rivera to catch.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've got a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 2: He might get to five hundred, or he should get to five hundred this year, shutting things down for Detroit in a two to one comeback win late in the bottom of the eighth. But props name Todd Father. I'm sure he faced Ken Lee quite a bit and he's still kicking it pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I remember him as a catcher.

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Speaker 5: I thought he his arm was absolutely amazing in rookie ball, A big target like Cratzy was to throw too. If I was a pitcher, I would love every second of it. And he said, you know what, they love it that much. I want to start throwing too. Became one of the most prolific closers. There is kudos to him throwing that cutter, big breaking ball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Just a fun, loving guy man. And every time you talk to him, he gives you love. All those guys from you know, the Netherlands, all those guys Didi Grigoris is of the world. They are very very nice people. And you know, glad for him. He's still doing it, still doing it. I don't know how he is, but happy for him. And this is really good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Here we are talking more about injury updates. Some good ones for the Blue Jays. Jose Brios is making rehab start and before that, trey Is Savage is pitching in Triple A today. He's going for about four in sixty five pitches. If it goes well, he's back in the big leagues.

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Speaker 1: That'll help. That's gonna be a huge boost. And he was the.

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Speaker 2: Darling rookie for Toronto fans. Then you go to Brios rehab start single a Dunedin that's happening to tomorrow. Three pitches or sorry, fifty pitches three innings is the plan for him more than three pitches. Big news though, And they think that he is. This is Keegan Matheson who covers the team for MLB. They think he's one or two starts behind you, Savage. So you have two nice pieces about to return. And you know what I just read the other day too, guys for Brios that was caught during the World Baseball Classic physicals and I was one that gave the WBC insurance and all that a little bit of flak because they were denying everyone. Some of the guys they were denying ended up making sense, like with Brios todd father. They found it was like a bone fracture or a bone chip or something like that. With Brios, so he had a legit injury. He's just asymptomatic. He's never felt anything from it.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that crazy? I mean, having an injury, who's the pitcher? I think it's the knuckleball guy that had a no UCL nerve in there? What deck was his nicky Dicky. Yeah, I mean, and everybody was afraid to take him out. That's the first person that I thought of. But yeah, the Blue Jays, you know, they've been kind of you know, you talk about them with the White Sox. They got swept by that team, very just unlike Blue Jays, you know, team so to get a couple guys back, to get them kickstart and see some new faces back in there that you know, can help the club, can only kind of rejuvenate the squad moving forward in this wild little al least, which is all over the place, with the Yankees losing five in a row and then you know, finally coming back and winning a crazy game the other day and then losing yesterday, so and the Orioles going back and forth. So in the Red Sox, we don't know what's going on there. It's just very interesting.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said. That's what he said. That's what he said.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we got a couple of things. Let's start with Jaron Duran. He said a fan yelled at him and told him to kill himself.

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Speaker 1: That's not cool.

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Speaker 2: And Jaren was very open about some mental health struggles. He went through that came out last year when he documented how there was a time when he considered taking his own life. A fan was trying to take advantage of that, and Jaren put up the middle finger. I think it goes without saying that that fan's a loser and should be banned from games forever, and Alex Chorus said that after the game too, Red Sox manager Jaren said, that kind of stuff is still kind of triggering.

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Speaker 1: It happens.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, it's my fault for talking about my mental health. I kind of brought in the haters. See that part sucks too, todd because then we always want players to be open and talk about whatever's going on and find out more about their story than a fan is trying to take advantage of that. So hopefully they find the fan and ban him for life or her, whoever it was. But I think it was a dude, he said. And then also I'd like to point out that I don't think Jaren should be punished for doing that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he will be, but I don't think he should be.

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Speaker 4: Agreed.

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Speaker 5: Agreed, He's very it's after he came out with all this, he's very vulnerable.

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Speaker 4: To any and everything.

00:28:10
Speaker 5: It's a shame that people feel like because they're you know, their lives are bad, they got to take it out on other people. This is shameful, it's disrespectful. You know, the guy's been through a lot, you know, and a lot that we probably don't even know about it. And he's right, you know, he's susceptible now to any little thing because people know about his life. And that's why most people like himself, like myself, like others, they don't want too much to be brought out to the public because guess what, it always backfires on you. And shame on these fans that think that it's okay for this people, for them to say stuff like this.

00:28:49
Speaker 4: You know, I feel for him.

00:28:51
Speaker 5: I feel for him, and it's you know, this probably won't be the last time this happens.

00:28:54
Speaker 4: Hopefully it is.

00:28:56
Speaker 5: I can understand his frustrations, and you know, people, just be better, man, Just be better. Just watch a game, scream for your team and you know, yell at y'all that was all that was a strike, you know, stuff like that, man, and just enjoy the game.

00:29:12
Speaker 7: I mean, even going back to high school basketball games, they find out kids' names of kids girlfriends or kids moms, and they chant it when they're at the line.

00:29:23
Speaker 3: Fans will always be fans in that way. Fans need to understand when there's a line. Fans need to understand that that line is different for certain guys. It's ironic. We're talking about this on Jackie Robinson Day. If you ever seen the movie forty two, from what I'm told from the different guys, from the negro leagues who played during that time, the things that were said in the movie and we're very disturbing, but from what I was told, and you hear stories of guys that made that transition, like the movie was kind of subdued. The movie was kind of it didn't really hit it. So there's always lines. And if fans choose to dehumanize players like this, whether that person was just telling him to kill himself because he's like, he's pissed at Duran didn't get a hit, or he just wanted to get on him, it's really bad timing. If that fan was attacking him because of his vulnerability, about the fact that he that he dealt with mental mental struggles and that he thought about suicide, he had suicidal tendencies then that's just it's unacceptable, and it is un it's unfathomable that somebody, a human, would say something like that, and people need to stop dehumanizing these athletes who they put on a pedestal and then say, why didn't that guy sign my autograph? Why don't we ever hear from players? Why don't we ever like all this stuff like? And it might not be the same people that are saying it, but the fans around them. You know what, you step up and say something to that fan. You could step up and stand up for somebody, even if Jared Duran's not you're on your team, you can step up. The reason that kind of stuff happens is because that guy, because I heard it was a guy, gets a laugh from two or three people around him. You know what, if ten people around him say, you know what, grow up, you can leave our area. We're trying to enjoy this game. He's not even on our team. But what you just said to that guy is trash, and I think that would stop these things. And it's ironic. We're talking about this on Jackie Robinson Day, where he endured some of the worst ridicule that you'll ever hear on a ball field.

00:31:43
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:31:44
Speaker 2: One more quote here, Glex Chorus said, like I said last year, for him, Durant open up. He saved lives, right, So bigger picture and play. We did have one fan in the chat, JD said, if you're letting anything a fan say to you get to you, or anything a fan say get to you, you're soft. You guys both played. You guys are both pretty tough and strong. We got Jersey tough Todd father, and I think Krafts could probably take out half of the UFC fighters that are out there right now, So I would consider you guys not soft, Todd.

00:32:19
Speaker 1: What would your reply be to that?

00:32:22
Speaker 5: Literally they want yeah, And that's that's that's the problem.

00:32:27
Speaker 4: You know, back in the day, that's okay that you can.

00:32:30
Speaker 5: Call somebody soft. But I don't care how big and strong you are. I don't care how mentally tough you are. Words to hurt, they do hurt, and you might keep it inside. I you know, I still don't forget some of the stuff that people said. I let it go, of course, but I'll never I'll never forget it. So to sell somebody go kill yourself is that you're being soft? I mean, that's actually scary, truthfully, So you don't know what's on that person's mind for so that guy to say that you're in the wrong bute.

00:33:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, big miss, big miss by that guy. Like soft, like, that's that's not soft. I'm not condoning at all what Jaron Duran did. He should not have responded, and he even said that in his quote he should not have responded. But soft, it's not soft, like, that's not like it's soft for you to say that that's soft.

00:33:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's still going. Fans are me and you got to deal with it. You're making a lot of money, blah blah blah. But let's not mistake this. Can fans say a lot of things? Can fans say that a player's terrible, Like you can throw a lot of things out there, and yes, I do agree players should be able to take that and that is part of the job.

00:33:44
Speaker 1: But to say that there's no.

00:33:45
Speaker 2: Line at all that exists from person to person, that's too far. Yeah, I mean talking trash cool love it. Hey, your team's trash or you're not good or whatever, right or even you know in other sports where there's actually more physical commack like football, So they say like I'm going to crush you, blah blah blah.

00:34:03
Speaker 1: Cool, But there's still.

00:34:05
Speaker 2: A line here where you're telling someone to kill themself or a death threat. Like those are the lines that I feel like are pretty reasonable for everyone to understand.

00:34:14
Speaker 3: There's a line. There's a line, And I joke about it all the time. I'm like, it takes a lot to offend me, Like it takes a lot to say about me. It would take a lot less for you for me to hear you say it about somebody else for me to get pissed off and offended. Like I just my joke is, I don't have any feelings. Minor leagues killed my feelings. I spent thirteen years in the minor leagues, and I'm my feelings are dead inside. But it just takes a lot to offend certain people. And if it offends somebody what you're saying, like, that's not a that's not like, oh great job, look at that you offended him.

00:34:50
Speaker 4: That's tired.

00:34:51
Speaker 3: That's so, that's so tired. Don't try to find a way to offend somebody.

00:34:57
Speaker 8: But the fans booing him after you save thirty game for this team. A kid that's been through all that he's been through, and what he did the year before for us to help us win the division, and then what he did last year and then came out with an arm injury and still pitched and pitched one of the biggest innings of the.

00:35:15
Speaker 4: Game five.

00:35:17
Speaker 8: And for them to be booing him up there, that's just not our best fans.

00:35:21
Speaker 4: That's for sure.

00:35:22
Speaker 8: We have the great fans, but let's remind them of that. Are they okay to be disappointed? But sometimes young men go through tough stuff. I was disappointed and that those people wouldn't support him when he's going through that stuff. Does he probably care? And now is it expected? That's fine, but let's not be These aren't machines out there.

00:35:42
Speaker 4: These are people.

00:35:44
Speaker 8: I thought that was in poor taste, but I've done things in poor taste too.

00:35:49
Speaker 2: So hey, that's Pat Murphy, Brewer's manager talking about mcgil. You know, blown save Brewers lose the game, getting booed. I love the passion and MRC's usually hilarious todd father, but I actually do respectfully disagree with Murph if we're actually having the real combo. I mean, I don't love it, but the fans have the right to do it. I mean, you know, we talk about this all the time. Bobashett played like one minute in New York and they started doing him. I think it's kind of dumb, but I'm not going to like ream the fans out for expressing that.

00:36:23
Speaker 5: Well, he's a manager. He's got his guys back first and foremost.

00:36:26
Speaker 4: I think.

00:36:29
Speaker 5: I think it's great that he stepped up for his guy. I gotta be honest with you, you know, to get booed over, you know what happened and what occurred. Yeah, nobody wants to get booed He's frustrated too. I mean you think there's some frustration too that, hey man, these fans home fans should have his back on a mist you know, save opportunity, all that kind of stuff.

00:36:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, Scott.

00:36:53
Speaker 5: Fans could do what they want, but so can a manager too, and he's going to have his players back. And I that's what you love about him. Manager, you're in somebody that's leading your ball club.

00:37:03
Speaker 1: That's a good way to put a crats. I like both.

00:37:04
Speaker 2: I like Murph saying that, and I'm okay with fans being displeased, even if they're jumping the gun or they're not thinking about what he did last year. I mean many fan bases across the country don't. Don't consider that.

00:37:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, yo, your fraser, Yo, I'm from brick Township.

00:37:20
Speaker 4: Yo, you suck. Give me a ball that is going on here.

00:37:27
Speaker 3: That's that's that's like the Yankees fans forever, like they they love they love doing that with like yo Yo, I'm like yo, I'm like from that township right here, you brick township, brick Township, Yo, you suck. Give me a ball. My cousin's birthday.

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00:38:24
Speaker 1: Todd Father, we have a tweet.

00:38:26
Speaker 2: From the team that you think is going to lose tonight, and the owner sent his analysis in via Twitter. Steve Cohen said, nobody likes to lose, but I saw some green shoots tonight. On offense, lind Or two hits, including a homer, but Sheck got a double hitting it to left as opposed to recently being right field prone. Bench got a solid hit. Soto started his running progression today. Semion hit a shot that might have been a home run on a warmer night. Finally, Nolan McLean pitched out standing game, going seven innings, hanging their fans.

00:38:54
Speaker 1: We will turn this around talking.

00:38:56
Speaker 2: About Yeah, Lindor getting on the board for the first time, Homer and RBI, Todd Father, but ultimately Yamamoto shut them down for most of the rest of the game. Luis Robert Kay in a huge spot against Blake, trying late in the game when they took out Yamamoto and Song and Dance and that's it.

00:39:13
Speaker 1: Edmund Diaz.

00:39:14
Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing that would have made it perfect is if Edmund Diaz closed the door against them.

00:39:17
Speaker 1: For the Dodgers, I'm saying, but Diez.

00:39:20
Speaker 2: You know, he had thrown a bullpen, he hadn't pitched in a lot, whatever, But Bessie has shut the door.

00:39:25
Speaker 1: What do you think of the owner chiming in? Does that make you feel good? Bad? Or don't care?

00:39:32
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:39:32
Speaker 5: I mean I guess a little bit of both. But you're not winning games, so I guess they're trying to find the good out of everything that has gone wrong. Yeah, these are good points, of course, I'm not knocking them for that, but ultimately you're not winning the game. So that's where the frustrating part comes in. If you're a fan, you're like, Okay, great, why aren't we winning? Why aren't we scoring? That's baseball. You're gonna line out, you're gonna hit one to the wall, You're gonna hit a double with nobody on and still not get a guy in. Okay, So you can look at the good, but there's also bad. When somebody hits a double with and nobody scores him in, then that's a bad thing. So it's kind of like splitting hairs a little bit, but ultimately you're not winning games, so that should be the more frustrating Party's.

00:40:19
Speaker 2: Racking some injury updates in the commercial break, trying to keep Toad awake. So here's your caffeine shot. I mean it's not a great one. But Parker Meadows surgery on his broken arm, you know, had the ugly collision. He's expected to miss multiple months. Aj Hinch said, no official timeline. He said, I do expect him to be competitive again this season.

00:40:42
Speaker 1: That's a weird way to put it.

00:40:45
Speaker 4: Compete.

00:40:48
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess it's better way of saying playing.

00:40:53
Speaker 4: I don't know, interesting interesting.

00:40:58
Speaker 1: Wordsmith he is, yea, So why do you think he said that, krat.

00:41:03
Speaker 3: Because maybe that arm isn't going to be one hundred percent healthy. But there's other ways that Parker Meadows can affect this team, Like if you're you know, the severity of the break. We don't know, we're not in there in surgery, but the severity of the break might not enable his you know, him to swing the back the same and he'll be able to be a defensive replacement. Like I think it's aj aj does a great job of not giving us just garbage answers, like it's an honest answer without saying what it possibly could be. You know, so I think he I think he did a good job of that. And Parker Meadows in center field is no joke. But they're very lucky that they have a guy like Jabi Baias who can go out to centerfield and run around like he's twenty three years old. Like it's a big loss for the Tigers. Not that Parker Meadows is, you know, a guy that's gonna hit three hundred, but it's defensively that dude can absolutely go get it out there.

00:42:13
Speaker 1: All right, this is a good one.

00:42:14
Speaker 2: We have some sound prepared from yesterday and we're ready to run it on Mike Trout appearing on the field and giving a shout out to our very own Todd father.

00:42:28
Speaker 9: I always give him crap because he was the second best player to come out in New Jersey, so that's always fun. But uh, Scott of report, I love watching him play. He was obviously when I got drafted, he was a little bit older, but uh to be able to you know, come from Jersey, Uh to pool for each other and obviously over the years we got some Uh, some good bondage and friendships. So you know seeing him, you know, compete and you know he's always come up with them big hits, and uh, it was fun to watch him, you know, play with him.

00:43:00
Speaker 1: That's Mike Trap talking about Todd Fodder.

00:43:04
Speaker 5: We always talk about first and second best. We all know who the first best is and that's definitely not me for sure.

00:43:12
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you what, man, I get I get more.

00:43:17
Speaker 5: People will recognize him, probably more, but I get more, I get more love.

00:43:21
Speaker 4: I'll die on that. They actually asked.

00:43:24
Speaker 5: If we go to a diner, you know who people are gonna come up to first, and oh, look at trouble, Hey fresh, come over here. I would get the respect, he'll get the notoriety. I'll die in that one because they love me in my area. Okay, so back off, Mike.

00:43:41
Speaker 3: I saw both of these dudes, Todd and Mike.

00:43:45
Speaker 4: I got it.

00:43:45
Speaker 3: I couldn't bring it on here it's connected to the wall, but I got a chest protector with both their autographs on. We played together in twenty ten. Mike was like a baby. I think he was still learning to drive, and he followed. He followed, so Todd around like just a little baby.

00:44:03
Speaker 4: Little baby. Now I'm following him around. That's terrible.

00:44:08
Speaker 2: Yes, bonding, not bondage the words bonding, texting that bonding, he said, bonding, Be careful, h