RON BOLES (BIGFOOT RESEARCHER) SHARES HIS EYE WITNESS ENCOUNTER | BFRO EXPEDITIONS

<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, and welcome to another Sasquatch Theory Bigfoot interview.
<v Speaker 1>On this episode, we have Ron Bowles from Missouri, who
<v Speaker 1>was willing to share his bigfoot encounter and experiences and
<v Speaker 1>the research that he has come across along the way.
<v Speaker 1>The Ozarks is a great place to encounter a cryptid
<v Speaker 1>creature and it has been a mysterious piece of land
<v Speaker 1>for many, many centuries. Ron has been assisting the BFRO
<v Speaker 1>with their expeditions and he has been involved with many
<v Speaker 1>conferences that have taken place around the United States. If
<v Speaker 1>you guys can please like the video and subscribe to
<v Speaker 1>the channel, and if you have had a bigfoot or
<v Speaker 1>cryptid encounter that you would like to share with me,
<v Speaker 1>please get in touch at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com.
<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, with all that being said, let's dive
<v Speaker 1>into Ron's bigfoot encounters from the state of Missouri. All Right, Ron,
<v Speaker 1>welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today.
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing good. It's good talking to you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a pleasure to have you on the show.
<v Speaker 1>The other day I ran across the short and I
<v Speaker 1>heard a brief summary of your encounter and I was like,
<v Speaker 1>I have to get in contact with this guy. So
<v Speaker 1>it's awesome to have you on the show. And I've
<v Speaker 1>had encounters here in Missouri. Yeah, Ron, if you would
<v Speaker 1>tell me a little bit about yourself, kind of where
<v Speaker 1>you're from and your Bigfitt encounters and experiences from the
<v Speaker 1>very beginning, please.
<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, I'm a I'm a child. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I was born in nineteen sixty seven, just the same
<v Speaker 2>year as the Given and Patterson film. So they'd had
<v Speaker 2>it that I would get involved in this. The I've
<v Speaker 2>lived in the olds Arts all my life, some in Arkansas.
<v Speaker 2>I'm in Missouri, and people say, well Ozarks, you must
<v Speaker 2>you know, you must be from Missouri. No, Kansas City
<v Speaker 2>and Saint Louis is in Missouri, but it's not the Ozarts.
<v Speaker 2>Little Rock is in Arkansas, but it's not the Osarts.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, I've lived in the Ozarks all my life,
<v Speaker 2>and and I growing up in you know, in the
<v Speaker 2>seventies and stuff. Of course, you know, you saw the
<v Speaker 2>documentary documentaries and the six million Dollar Man versus Bigfoot
<v Speaker 2>and Bigfoot and wild Boy and all that good stuff
<v Speaker 2>growing up, which I had, you know, good interest in it.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, it never entered my life until the
<v Speaker 2>late eighties where some friends on that I were going
<v Speaker 2>to meet. We met. We drove over to an area
<v Speaker 2>where uh they they said, they were, you know, we're
<v Speaker 2>this place called the Old Old Resort, not too far
<v Speaker 2>from Springfield, and there was supposed to be a kegger
<v Speaker 2>there and and uh it was. It was mid to
<v Speaker 2>late June, and and you know, and this is back
<v Speaker 2>when I was twenty stupid. And I don't know if
<v Speaker 2>you've ever been twenty stupid, but I was. So we
<v Speaker 2>loaded up in a Volkswagen van and and went over
<v Speaker 2>to this area and uh, and you know, the cut
<v Speaker 2>the story short. Uh it was right at dusk and uh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, somewhere around between eight o'clock and nine, and
<v Speaker 2>and uh the sun was was set. But we went
<v Speaker 2>up there. And and now the Old Resort is old deserted.
<v Speaker 2>It used to be a hunting lodge back in the day,
<v Speaker 2>and since then it's been long deserted and the buildings
<v Speaker 2>are practically down to nothing, but you know, down to
<v Speaker 2>a foundation in some rubble. But there was a in
<v Speaker 2>ground swimming pool in the middle of this and great,
<v Speaker 2>you know, great place to put a little bonfire and
<v Speaker 2>get a kicker going. Well, we showed up there, no
<v Speaker 2>one else was there, and so we we unloaded and
<v Speaker 2>there was about a o there. There was about seven
<v Speaker 2>of us, and we went down there and checked it
<v Speaker 2>out and no one was around stuff. And the the
<v Speaker 2>trail or old driveway to get to the resort, it's
<v Speaker 2>about a quarter of a mile you know, away from them
<v Speaker 2>from the road, so you know, it's a little bit
<v Speaker 2>of a hike. And we went back there and and uh,
<v Speaker 2>we you know, saw that no one showed up, so
<v Speaker 2>as our no one was able to pony up for
<v Speaker 2>the cake. So we decided to head back to and
<v Speaker 2>it was getting dark, and we decided to head back
<v Speaker 2>to the to the van and and uh and and
<v Speaker 2>so we were walking back and we were, you know,
<v Speaker 2>going south, which meant that to the right of us
<v Speaker 2>was you know, the sun the what was left of
<v Speaker 2>the sunset. And uh. Now this this path that we
<v Speaker 2>we walked on to get back to to get to
<v Speaker 2>and fro from the resort, it's about you know, two
<v Speaker 2>feet high and uh from from the forest floor. And
<v Speaker 2>we were walking back there and all of a sudden we
<v Speaker 2>weren't in one big group. There was a couple of
<v Speaker 2>guys ahead of us about you know, uh, about fifty
<v Speaker 2>feet to you know, anywhere between fifty and seventy five
<v Speaker 2>feet in front of us, and a couple of guys
<v Speaker 2>behind us that were about the same distance. And then
<v Speaker 2>there was the three of us, me, a guy named Mike,
<v Speaker 2>and a guy named Gene. Now Jean was a big
<v Speaker 2>old boy, I mean we're talking, you know, six foot five,
<v Speaker 2>six foot six. I'm six foot two and or six
<v Speaker 2>foot three, and Mike was barely six, you know. And
<v Speaker 2>we were walking along there, and all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the smell just sort of enveloped us, you know,
<v Speaker 2>just fell upon us, and it was, you know, it
<v Speaker 2>was very very intense, no eating smell. And Gene goes, run,
<v Speaker 2>what is that smell? I said, dude, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if it's about to make me sick. We walked a
<v Speaker 2>little bit further, and then all of a sudden, Jean
<v Speaker 2>stops dead in his tracks and he's looking over to
<v Speaker 2>his right towards the sunset. Well not more than a
<v Speaker 2>not more not more than twenty between twenty and thirty
<v Speaker 2>feet in front of us to a right, looking towards
<v Speaker 2>the sunset, or what was left of it was this tree,
<v Speaker 2>no bigger than a than a small pole, and behind
<v Speaker 2>it was this big, tall, furry silhouette, if you will,
<v Speaker 2>behind this tree, bobbing back and forth, you know. And
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't make it. You couldn't make out any facial features,
<v Speaker 2>but you could. You could make out the broad shoulders
<v Speaker 2>and the and the conical head, and and you can
<v Speaker 2>and you can barely make out, you know, the the
<v Speaker 2>arm and the hand wrapping around that tree. And it
<v Speaker 2>was just swaying back and forth and back and forth.
<v Speaker 2>At the time, I sort of thought it was sort
<v Speaker 2>of funny. It was sort of like those little cartoons, like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, a hippopotamus trying to hide behind a light pole.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, and he goes, oh my god. And I
<v Speaker 2>looked at this and and and you know, and and
<v Speaker 2>just you know, just an over sense of adrenaline and
<v Speaker 2>and and uh, just you know, dumbfounded of what I
<v Speaker 2>was looking looking at, you know. And and I looked
<v Speaker 2>behind us, and now those guys were there, they were
<v Speaker 2>accounted for. And I looked up ahead of us. Now
<v Speaker 2>those guys were ahead of us, you know, they were
<v Speaker 2>they were counting four to and I looked back at
<v Speaker 2>this figure, you know, didn't make any real noise or
<v Speaker 2>anything like that, just sort of swayed back and forth
<v Speaker 2>at us, and uh, and Gingen goes, I can't handle this,
<v Speaker 2>so he took off. He takes off running, and being
<v Speaker 2>that he was the biggest one out of the bunch
<v Speaker 2>of us, I sure the hell wasn't going to stick
<v Speaker 2>around either, So I took off running after him, and
<v Speaker 2>so did Mike. Well, the other guy saw us, and
<v Speaker 2>you know, because we pretty much exploded in a flurry
<v Speaker 2>to get back to the to the van, so they
<v Speaker 2>ran after us. Tea. Of course, we passed the guys
<v Speaker 2>in front of us, you know, we left them standing
<v Speaker 2>still and uh, and they ran after us. And by
<v Speaker 2>the time, you know, everybody was by the time everybody
<v Speaker 2>was back to the van, you know, we were just
<v Speaker 2>breathing hard and not a breath and took a second
<v Speaker 2>and then to catch us our breath and tell that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the rest of them what happened, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, you know, whatever a while or anything
<v Speaker 2>like that. And so, you know, even back then, I was,
<v Speaker 2>you know, had a very analytical mind. I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>maybe that smell we we smellt was you know, a
<v Speaker 2>dead animal or if someone got sick and and uh
<v Speaker 2>and you know, regurgitated on in that area or something
<v Speaker 2>like that, because it smelt like permitted bonnet. And uh,
<v Speaker 2>maybe that was just a cedar tree behind that tree
<v Speaker 2>that was just swaying in the breeze, although I did
<v Speaker 2>not recall that said breeze. So me and the guy
<v Speaker 2>that you know on the van, we decided to go
<v Speaker 2>back to the spot where we saw it. Now we knew,
<v Speaker 2>I knew about where we were sitting because there was
<v Speaker 2>a a small tree or a tree branch of some
<v Speaker 2>sort going across that trail. And we went back there
<v Speaker 2>and the smell was gone and nothing was behind the
<v Speaker 2>that tree. And now I brought up about how you
<v Speaker 2>know that path we were on was like two feet
<v Speaker 2>elevated from the forest floor. Well, whatever was standing behind
<v Speaker 2>that tree looked like it could it could look at
<v Speaker 2>Jeanne eye the eye and on the forest from the
<v Speaker 2>worst floor. And Jeane was you know, six foot five,
<v Speaker 2>six foot six, but he was on that trail elevated
<v Speaker 2>two feet from the forest floor. And so that made
<v Speaker 2>it that made it to be you know, about eight
<v Speaker 2>eight and a half feet tall, and I mean it
<v Speaker 2>really it was a jagged pail to swallow, you know,
<v Speaker 2>because I wasn't looking for this. I mean I wasn't
<v Speaker 2>you know, out there, you know, like, you know, let's
<v Speaker 2>go find us a big foot. Now, we were out
<v Speaker 2>there to go find some beer. So this, this experience
<v Speaker 2>was pretty much thrown in my face. And for a
<v Speaker 2>long time. You know, yeah, you know, you being from
<v Speaker 2>the from the ozarks yourself, the last thing you want
<v Speaker 2>to do is be you know, looked at as the
<v Speaker 2>you know, the town idiot. So you know, it isn't
<v Speaker 2>like I went out of my way to tell everybody
<v Speaker 2>about this experience. And I kept this under rats for
<v Speaker 2>a long time. And then h then many years later
<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, the two thousand, two thousand and one,
<v Speaker 2>I happened to you know, the internet became a home
<v Speaker 2>fin and I was browsing through some bigfoot websites and
<v Speaker 2>some of them were just as cheesy as all get out,
<v Speaker 2>but there was one that caught my eye. I appreciated
<v Speaker 2>the professionalism and and the way it was put together,
<v Speaker 2>and that was the bfro bfro dot net. I submitted
<v Speaker 2>to report, talked to an investigator and and uh you know,
<v Speaker 2>and went from there and you know, and I found
<v Speaker 2>that by sharing this with another person that can you know,
<v Speaker 2>can relate or you know, uh give you know, a
<v Speaker 2>certain amount of of vindication to my experience, h validated,
<v Speaker 2>if you will. I found it to be very uh
<v Speaker 2>soothing in a way, you know. And uh so you know,
<v Speaker 2>about a year or so later, I saw that BFRO
<v Speaker 2>was having an expedition in Arkansas, uh uh south of
<v Speaker 2>West Arcan. I saw and uh near the Butchita Mountains,
<v Speaker 2>and I went there and uh to the expedition, and
<v Speaker 2>after that I became an investigator. And that was about
<v Speaker 2>seventeen years ago.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very good, And I appreciate you for sharing your
<v Speaker 1>encounter with me.
<v Speaker 2>Ron.
<v Speaker 1>What kind of experiences did you have on these BFRORO
<v Speaker 1>expeditions if you don't mind telling me.
<v Speaker 2>Well, the first one, the first expedition, matter of fact,
<v Speaker 2>the very first night that that I went to, that's
<v Speaker 2>when I first met Matt Moneymaker and some other and
<v Speaker 2>other people and we uh went the first night we
<v Speaker 2>uh there was we we broke out in the three vehicles.
<v Speaker 2>There was four of us in one vehicle and Matt
<v Speaker 2>was in a vehicle and uh, and a friend of mine, Bernie,
<v Speaker 2>and another gentleman was another vehicle, and we went out
<v Speaker 2>in the sixth I mean we were we were out
<v Speaker 2>and about and uh and and and we uh, I
<v Speaker 2>mean we were thirty minutes away from me, and they
<v Speaker 2>they had electricity. And Matt said, y'all park here and
<v Speaker 2>I'll go up the road a bit and I'll do
<v Speaker 2>a vocalization and see if you guys can hear any responses. Well,
<v Speaker 2>he he did a vocalization and we thought something reacted,
<v Speaker 2>but we weren't sure. So he did another vocalization, and
<v Speaker 2>this time I had my audio recorder going and I
<v Speaker 2>caught a great vocalization and I just sent to you
<v Speaker 2>the link to that vocalization and so you can sit
<v Speaker 2>back and listen to it yourself sometimes.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I appreciate you for sharing that with me. And
<v Speaker 1>can you describe the vocalization.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, the first vocalization was Matt doing a vocalization,
<v Speaker 2>and then fifteen you know, ten to fifteen seconds later,
<v Speaker 2>from a distance, you heard four vocalizations verty uh, you know,
<v Speaker 2>with and that was a poor limitation, but they, you know,
<v Speaker 2>one after the other going to octave higher than the
<v Speaker 2>first one, and uh, I'm like, whoa, you know, so
<v Speaker 2>that was my first night.
<v Speaker 1>Well that's pretty cool to experience that on the first night.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm curious to listen to that video to see
<v Speaker 1>what the vocalization sounds like and what Matt Moneymaker used himself.
<v Speaker 1>And what did you think about the bf R. Were
<v Speaker 1>they pretty good people they treat you again?
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I you know, I'm an investigator with them,
<v Speaker 2>and and I mean, you know, uh, and the people
<v Speaker 2>within it are good, good people. Uh uh. And man
<v Speaker 2>is the you know, the president and founder of it,
<v Speaker 2>and you know a lot of people within the bigfoot community.
<v Speaker 2>Oh well that's well, whether you like him or you
<v Speaker 2>don't like him, you got to have respect for him
<v Speaker 2>because he has done so much for the for the
<v Speaker 2>research of bigfoot. I mean, there was a period of
<v Speaker 2>time where you know, looking for Bigfoot was looked upon
<v Speaker 2>about you know, uh, looked upon as being you know, uh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, but but uh, you know, first it came
<v Speaker 2>with his website and the research that goes with it,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and fighting book Bigfoot came out. Some
<v Speaker 2>people agreed with it, some people didn't. But the thing is,
<v Speaker 2>it was never about you know, I mean Bigfoot because
<v Speaker 2>they never found them. You know. It was about the
<v Speaker 2>general public finding the possibility and the existence of these
<v Speaker 2>of these mysterious beings on this earth, and now it's
<v Speaker 2>more accepted than it ever has been before. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I get a lot of people that tell me,
<v Speaker 1>don't trust the BFRO, They're gonna change your story. But honestly,
<v Speaker 1>like when I started listening to West from Sasquatch Chronicles
<v Speaker 1>and I started watching Finding Bigfoot, and they're the ones
<v Speaker 1>that brought light to the subject, I'm like, what, these
<v Speaker 1>things actually do exist, There's actually people that are out
<v Speaker 1>there looking for them, and my mind with Teeter totter
<v Speaker 1>back and forth, like this is real. No, it's not.
<v Speaker 1>And then you'd hear the people that they had on
<v Speaker 1>finding Bigfoot, and they were dead serious, and my mind
<v Speaker 1>would think, if these things do exist, they're probably in
<v Speaker 1>northern California, Washington, Oregon, you know, the Pacific, Northwest, Canada, Alaska.
<v Speaker 1>And I wasn't a believer until I went out there
<v Speaker 1>one day and tried one of these calls that I
<v Speaker 1>heard off finding Bigfoot into my amazement. This large tree
<v Speaker 1>got pushed down and then probably about thirty minutes after that,
<v Speaker 1>something screamed at us from behind, and I mean it
<v Speaker 1>was like a woman being murdered. And it does work.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 1>People say, oh, people out there wood knocking, that's so
<v Speaker 1>stupid and calling these things. They're never going to find anything.
<v Speaker 1>But it can work.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know what, here's a little something. You
<v Speaker 2>know it. If you're going to research this phenomenon, you
<v Speaker 2>have to be the most skeptical person in the in
<v Speaker 2>the room. Okay, there is nothing, there is no treasure
<v Speaker 2>worth finding that you don't have to dig for it
<v Speaker 2>right there. You know, if it's whether it's gold or diamonds,
<v Speaker 2>you still got to do a lot of digging enough
<v Speaker 2>to you find it. But once you find that nugget,
<v Speaker 2>it's eureka, you know. And when a person goes in there,
<v Speaker 2>you have to do a lot of research. I purposely
<v Speaker 2>made up my goal to familiarize myself with, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the sounds and behaviors of nocturnal animals and in the woods.
<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of people they they'll say that
<v Speaker 2>they heard bigfoot and I said, but it sounded like
<v Speaker 2>a monkey. And I said, well, and but the thing
<v Speaker 2>is what people don't realize is you probably heard of
<v Speaker 2>bard owl, you know, because and and look that up.
<v Speaker 2>You know, the monkey chatter of a barred out. It
<v Speaker 2>will sound like you know, you know, just like a
<v Speaker 2>like a like a chimpanzee or something. And a lot
<v Speaker 2>of people don't realize that there are certain screams that
<v Speaker 2>that a fox will give out and it's a weird
<v Speaker 2>people out, but it's a fox. You know, when all
<v Speaker 2>things credible, all things known has been has been explored,
<v Speaker 2>only then can you go to the unknown or the answer,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And you brought up about the screen like
<v Speaker 2>a like a woman. Well and people, you know a
<v Speaker 2>lot of people say, well that was a that was
<v Speaker 2>a cougar or or a bobcat. I did a lot
<v Speaker 2>of exploring on that. I did a lot of research.
<v Speaker 2>And if someone can find me a recording of a
<v Speaker 2>feeline making a primate sound of a woman screaming, please
<v Speaker 2>share with me, because I get to find that recording.
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people attest too, you know, the
<v Speaker 2>the woman screaming you know, like like to a to
<v Speaker 2>a cougar or bobcat, And I'm like maybe.
<v Speaker 1>Not yeah, absolutely, And bobcats and foxes they can make
<v Speaker 1>some wicked sounds but the long capacity of this creature
<v Speaker 1>was just enormous, and I think it was a Sasquatch.
<v Speaker 1>I never seen the creature whenever I heard the vocalization,
<v Speaker 1>but it just sounded huge and the.
<v Speaker 2>Cracking of the of the Williams and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah. Five five minutes down the road
<v Speaker 1>there were b f ro o reports and several of them,
<v Speaker 1>so that really confirmed to me. And I also seen
<v Speaker 1>these creatures probably a year after that incident, not even
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes from that area, so I know without a
<v Speaker 1>doubt that's what it was.
<v Speaker 2>And if it's there that you're telling me about, I'm
<v Speaker 2>not that I'm vacant. I wouldn't be surprised in the least.
<v Speaker 2>Bet a lot of people, you know, I'll bring up
<v Speaker 2>about Bigfoot or I'll look you know that I'm a
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot researcher. They called me hunter, but I don't like that,
<v Speaker 2>but a bigfoot researcher. And a lot of people they said, well,
<v Speaker 2>I thought Bigfoot was only in Washington or northern California
<v Speaker 2>or Oregon. And I'm going, well, first of all, there's
<v Speaker 2>more than one. This is not Santa Claus we're talking about,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And two there is the potential of a
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot or sasquatch population where there's good water, where there's
<v Speaker 2>a food source, and where there is a terrain where
<v Speaker 2>they are able to to go through unmolested by you
<v Speaker 2>know man. And and the Ozarks qualifies in all three
<v Speaker 2>categories easily. And the history of the Ozarks having bigfoot
<v Speaker 2>in it, it goes way back. And I'm not talking momo.
<v Speaker 2>Momo is a term that was you know, that didn't
<v Speaker 2>come out until the seventies. We're talking newspaper articles all
<v Speaker 2>the way back to the eighteen hundreds and earlier than that.
<v Speaker 2>And and you know, people with their experience. One of
<v Speaker 2>my favorite areas, one of my favorite subjects is the
<v Speaker 2>Blue Man of the Ozarts. And they called him the
<v Speaker 2>blue Man because his you know, his fur was so
<v Speaker 2>dark that had a blue sheen. At least that was
<v Speaker 2>one of the interpretations. Uh. And this happened in the
<v Speaker 2>in the the Burger County area, which is Douglas County,
<v Speaker 2>and they call it the Burger County. That's its nickname. Well,
<v Speaker 2>that's funny that they call it the Burger County because
<v Speaker 2>the word Burger County comes from I mean, the very
<v Speaker 2>word Booger is a Celtic word bo guy, and it
<v Speaker 2>meant something that was wild and hairy, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, later, you know, it became booger.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>You know, boy, that's a you can go on those woods,
<v Speaker 2>but you're going to have a burger of a time
<v Speaker 2>getting back out, you know. But it was always attributed
<v Speaker 2>to something that was wild and hairy. Well, later on
<v Speaker 2>the word boger became something else. You want to guess
<v Speaker 2>what that was. What's up the boogeyman?
<v Speaker 1>M yeah, absolutely, you know my my, uh.
<v Speaker 2>And that's how entwined these you know. And we're not
<v Speaker 2>talking just the Native Americans. Practically every Native American tribe
<v Speaker 2>has some attribution towards these creatures. But but we're not
<v Speaker 2>just talking about that. We're talking about you know, the
<v Speaker 2>early settlers, Uh, Evan Daniel Boone. There's some attributions to
<v Speaker 2>some expert and he had. But uh, but if you
<v Speaker 2>look up Burger County, it will pop that that nickname
<v Speaker 2>will pop up about three or four times throughout the
<v Speaker 2>especially in the Midwest is south southeast corners of America.
<v Speaker 2>And uh and main reason why is, as my grandmother
<v Speaker 2>told me, you know, with the earlier settlers. You always
<v Speaker 2>could tell a family that had scott Irish uh family
<v Speaker 2>ties and and the ones that were German or Dutch.
<v Speaker 2>The German and Dutch usually had money, so they usually
<v Speaker 2>got the good valleys right, But it was the scott
<v Speaker 2>Irish that uh you know, didn't have much money and
<v Speaker 2>they settled up there in the hills in the Burger
<v Speaker 2>part of that area.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've heard people refer to them as ape devil's tree, devils.
<v Speaker 1>There's just so many different names. And it's interesting because
<v Speaker 1>a lot of conservation areas are like, I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>the Devil's backbone or the Devil's cave, the Devil's spring,
<v Speaker 1>things like that. Uh huh, Yeah, it makes me wondering.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's something that I discussed and tried to teach
<v Speaker 2>a mutual friend of ours. If you look in the
<v Speaker 2>in these areas, in these in these forest areas and
<v Speaker 2>the topographical maps, look for certain names that you know
<v Speaker 2>that that certain spot was given. Well there's a reason
<v Speaker 2>why it was given that. I mean, I've done if
<v Speaker 2>our forefather just said, you know what, I think I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to call this Eroon springs, you know, just for
<v Speaker 2>the fun of it I've done. If we're going to
<v Speaker 2>call this, you know, uh, Panther Creek or or or
<v Speaker 2>Devil's Backbone. You know, there's a reason why they they
<v Speaker 2>they attributed this area to some kind of demon in
<v Speaker 2>the woods.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So what would one have to do
<v Speaker 1>to go on one of these b f RO expeditions.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you go to the website and they will and
<v Speaker 2>they will have a and they will have a corner,
<v Speaker 2>they will have a link on the upcoming expeditions throughout
<v Speaker 2>the United States, and you can sign for it. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>there is a I wouldn't call it a fee, but
<v Speaker 2>but there is a certain amount that you're expected to
<v Speaker 2>put towards the expedition because as an organized or myself,
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you the time and money and effort
<v Speaker 2>to put on these things together is not cheap and
<v Speaker 2>any and and you know, and running a website nowadays
<v Speaker 2>is not exactly yet cheap either. Now, when when the
<v Speaker 2>Internet was first offered, you know, opening up website was
<v Speaker 2>the diamond dozen. Nowadays now it takes a little bit
<v Speaker 2>of funding.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely. When I go camping, I spend a ton
<v Speaker 1>of money and it takes a lot of resources. So
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure bringing a big group of people isn't cheap
<v Speaker 1>to do.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, and these expeditions when when I
<v Speaker 2>was when I was organizing expeditions, I always told people,
<v Speaker 2>I cannot guarantee that you will have an experience. What
<v Speaker 2>I can guarantee you is that you will learn from it.
<v Speaker 2>It's more. I mean, it's a learning experience. And if
<v Speaker 2>there is an encounter or or a you know, or
<v Speaker 2>something happens on one of these expeditions, well, you know
<v Speaker 2>that's that that's bonus. And but you know, the first
<v Speaker 2>person that says, come on my expedition, I guarantee you
<v Speaker 2>you'll have you'll have something. Uh that means that they've
<v Speaker 2>probably got cousin Bob out there in the woods waiting
<v Speaker 2>on you. I'm sorry, I just have I don't trust
<v Speaker 2>a guarantee when it comes to this field.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a figure out there that always says, come
<v Speaker 1>out here and you'll live interact with Bigfoot. And I
<v Speaker 1>mean that's hard to guarantee you every time. And if
<v Speaker 1>it is happening every time, I would be skeptical.
<v Speaker 2>Right, But I will say this when I go on expedition.
<v Speaker 2>If I go on my expedition and something isn't thrown
<v Speaker 2>at me, I'm not happy until that happens. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I mean most of the time. I'm not going
<v Speaker 1>to say most of the time, but going out there
<v Speaker 1>several times, it should be typical to at least hear
<v Speaker 1>one would knock or like a branch break or just
<v Speaker 1>something unusual. At least one thing.
<v Speaker 2>Then as as a skip. Being a skeptical mind, you
<v Speaker 2>got to remember there's certain things that you just cannot
<v Speaker 2>Here go in the woods and you hear a twig
<v Speaker 2>snap and that's a big foot. You cannot do that.
<v Speaker 2>You lose all, you lose every ans of integrity that
<v Speaker 2>you might have towards this field. And even would knots,
<v Speaker 2>you know when someone says I heard a thunderous would knock.
<v Speaker 2>One time when I was out there and I said,
<v Speaker 2>were you anywhere near a creek, creek, or river or
<v Speaker 2>some body of water? Well, yeah, are there beavers in
<v Speaker 2>that in that river or creek or or a bed
<v Speaker 2>of water? Yeah? I think so. Well, the probably what
<v Speaker 2>you heard was a was a beaver slapping its tail,
<v Speaker 2>because anytime you're anywhere near close to their area, they'll
<v Speaker 2>slap of tail as a warning and it sounds like
<v Speaker 2>a gunshot. And what a lot of people don't realize
<v Speaker 2>is I guess what beavers are eternal by nature.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I heard that in Alaska, and I thought a
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch through a giant boulder in the water. And then
<v Speaker 1>we started hearing a few more times and we're like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a beaver.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I remember one time I
<v Speaker 2>was I was going along the trail and near Buffalo
<v Speaker 2>River and Matt Prut was with me and and we
<v Speaker 2>were walking along there and ma'am corract holy smokes correct,
<v Speaker 2>and then he got out of his thermal and he goes,
<v Speaker 2>it's a beaver. I'm like, I don't know, man, But
<v Speaker 2>you know that's part of the investigation. You know, a
<v Speaker 2>successful investigation does not mean that you know that it
<v Speaker 2>adds up to something that you wanted to find. A
<v Speaker 2>successful investigation equals to finding out the truth. So if
<v Speaker 2>you do go out there and has a number of
<v Speaker 2>reports of wood knocks and stuff like that and it
<v Speaker 2>does end up to be a beaver, guess what you
<v Speaker 2>found out? The truth? The investigation is this success? I
<v Speaker 2>mean that's the way I look at it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, you mark off everything that isn't bigfoot, and
<v Speaker 1>eventually you'll run into something that's without a doubt sasquatch,
<v Speaker 1>and it'll bring you towards believing each and every time.
<v Speaker 1>So on these BFRO expeditions, have you guys ever had
<v Speaker 1>a big fuck come out?
<v Speaker 2>Well, the fine come out?
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like, if you guys are like at
<v Speaker 1>a camping spot and they're in the woods, you can
<v Speaker 1>see like eyes shine their wood knocking around camp, you
<v Speaker 1>can hear them walking around, that whole sort of thing.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, definitely, definitely. Matter of fact, I can't remember if
<v Speaker 2>our mutual friend was with us or not. Just a
<v Speaker 2>few years ago, I led a group of people so
<v Speaker 2>most of them were newbies in area, not you know,
<v Speaker 2>in blue Man country, and I let them down this
<v Speaker 2>old forest road and I say road, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>more like a cutout crail. And the moon light was
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was almost full moon, so you know,
<v Speaker 2>the moonlight was out. But we were in some dense
<v Speaker 2>woods and uh, we can't and there was I mean,
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't a whole lot, but there was at least
<v Speaker 2>oh I would probably say, ten people in this group,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and I was leading it, and we
<v Speaker 2>came to a spot and what I like, and every
<v Speaker 2>once in a while when I came to a spot
<v Speaker 2>that's sort of a clearing where I say, okay, people,
<v Speaker 2>let's sort of set back and and relax a little
<v Speaker 2>bit and listen to what the woods have to say
<v Speaker 2>to us, right and uh, and so it was. It
<v Speaker 2>was an open spot in the woods. Moonlight was out
<v Speaker 2>pretty decent. I mean, you know, it wasn't where you
<v Speaker 2>could read, but you know, you could wave your hand
<v Speaker 2>and revy and see it anyway. And and you know,
<v Speaker 2>we don't go in there with a bunch of lights.
<v Speaker 2>Matter of fact, I tried to teach people how to
<v Speaker 2>you know, Uh, I mean, if they have to walk
<v Speaker 2>on with lights, I prefer red lenses, and matter of fact,
<v Speaker 2>I almost demand that. And uh but after a while,
<v Speaker 2>if you let your eyes ads, you can pretty much
<v Speaker 2>get around the forest. Especially if there's a bit of
<v Speaker 2>moonlight in there, you can get around in the forest
<v Speaker 2>pretty easily. And uh. So I you know, I took
<v Speaker 2>them in there, and I took around this light and
<v Speaker 2>uh in this little opening and and uh and and
<v Speaker 2>on the uh east side of this opening was where
<v Speaker 2>it looked like someone at one time uh, push these
<v Speaker 2>uh uh this area where there was a build up
<v Speaker 2>of dirt and stuff, you know, and uh in a
<v Speaker 2>nice little uh three four foot ridge you know. And anyway,
<v Speaker 2>so we're listening stuff. And now there was another group
<v Speaker 2>that was in that was probably about a quarter mile
<v Speaker 2>away on an old dirt road, and and uh they
<v Speaker 2>were doing some calls. Well, after a while we heard
<v Speaker 2>we started hearing, you know, wood knocks and uh, I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>so I got them on the walkie talkie. I said,
<v Speaker 2>you know, run to whatever group. Did you do some
<v Speaker 2>wood knocks? No, we did not, Okay, well we just
<v Speaker 2>heard something. Well, anyway, so we were we were sitting
<v Speaker 2>there and uh and uh and one of the guys
<v Speaker 2>came up to me and said, uh, hey, Ron, who
<v Speaker 2>is that over there in this brush and sitting there
<v Speaker 2>in that brush? Well, I know I knows the figure
<v Speaker 2>that was behind the brush. So I said, well, that's
<v Speaker 2>So's daughter, a little seventeen year old gal. And and
<v Speaker 2>and the guy I think his name was Sam, excuse me,
<v Speaker 2>I said, I ain't think your daughter over there. No,
<v Speaker 2>my daughter's over there sitting log surning up there. She was.
<v Speaker 2>So all three of us looked at this was focused
<v Speaker 2>on this figure behind the brush, and we took no
<v Speaker 2>more than one step. It was sort of funny because
<v Speaker 2>all three of us took one step in unison towards
<v Speaker 2>that brush. Ma'am. Whatever was behind that brush just busted
<v Speaker 2>out of there, and it had fur on it, because
<v Speaker 2>I could see it in the moonlight, just ever so briefly.
<v Speaker 2>And then and and then a sort of billy rolled
<v Speaker 2>over on the other side of that dig up and
<v Speaker 2>took off in the woods. And I mean, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I more than fifteen feet in front of us, and
<v Speaker 2>I noticed the figure there for a good you know,
<v Speaker 2>for a good fifteen to twenty minutes, just sitting there
<v Speaker 2>all huddled up. And I'm thinking, okay, it could be
<v Speaker 2>a deer. But you know what, that deer had some
<v Speaker 2>had some intestinal fortitude to just sit there and observe us.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, have you ever heard of a deer just
<v Speaker 2>in there, hiding for that long of a time, being
<v Speaker 2>surrounded by you know, ten people, ten twelve people. So
<v Speaker 2>and then after that, all you know what broke out
<v Speaker 2>there was there was wood knots, There was rustling around us.
<v Speaker 2>There was a snapping going on, you know, like lands
<v Speaker 2>breaking and stuff like that, and and just you know,
<v Speaker 2>just all around us and uh and that, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>and the people that was with, like I said, mostly newbies.
<v Speaker 2>They were getting they were getting my tent. Well, you know, uh,
<v Speaker 2>safety is the number one goal on these expeditions. So
<v Speaker 2>I I said, okay, folks, you know, single line must
<v Speaker 2>start making our way back to the road. And because
<v Speaker 2>not that it was a free for their safety as
<v Speaker 2>far as you know, Bigfoot coming in there and going
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood and and and and beating us up or eating
<v Speaker 2>us or anything like that. But simple fact of it is,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want you know, someone new in the field
<v Speaker 2>in the woods out there, you know, go uh break
<v Speaker 2>out and start running willy nelly into the woods. You know,
<v Speaker 2>that could be to get lost or hurt, fall in
<v Speaker 2>a sinkhole or what have you. So we made our
<v Speaker 2>way back, and even on our way back, I could
<v Speaker 2>hear us being you know, because I I I carried
<v Speaker 2>the rear, you know, and and and I could hear
<v Speaker 2>us being parallel walked out in under the brush. So
<v Speaker 2>whatever was out there was making sure that we were out.
<v Speaker 2>We were leaving, and we finally got to the road
<v Speaker 2>and we got to where our cars were aparked, and
<v Speaker 2>we were all walking back there to the cars and stuff. Well,
<v Speaker 2>one of the people that was there by the car
<v Speaker 2>had a thermal and he was in the middle of
<v Speaker 2>the woods watching us approach. And being that I was
<v Speaker 2>the last one, I came up there and and he goes, so,
<v Speaker 2>who else is out there? I said, nobody. I was
<v Speaker 2>I should be the last one. There's someone standing up
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we're talking good fifty yards away from
<v Speaker 2>where the cars were, and and he goes, well, dude,
<v Speaker 2>there's someone standing in there in the middle of of
<v Speaker 2>the road watching you guys. And he goes, and god,
<v Speaker 2>he's big. And I said, and I said, dude, that
<v Speaker 2>that's none of us. And he goes and there he goes,
<v Speaker 2>going back in the woods. So that was definitely a
<v Speaker 2>mimborable occasion, one of many.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that does sound very interesting. And I don't think
<v Speaker 1>a deer would get that close to ten people and
<v Speaker 1>just be observing that there.
<v Speaker 2>Before we showed up. Even if they were there before
<v Speaker 2>they showed up, there is no way they wouldn't have
<v Speaker 2>bolted before him, not being surrounded by a bunch of
<v Speaker 2>you know people.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean deer are pretty curious creatures, but I
<v Speaker 1>don't think around that many people it would show up
<v Speaker 1>that close. There was an incident where I was in
<v Speaker 1>the woods and I could hear this couple fighting, a
<v Speaker 1>guy and a lady, and they were arguing back and forth,
<v Speaker 1>and I could hear the voices. So I got a
<v Speaker 1>little bit closer, and when I looked over, there was
<v Speaker 1>a deer doing the same thing, like he was like
<v Speaker 1>listening to what they were doing. But as far as
<v Speaker 1>like a group of that many people, I don't think
<v Speaker 1>that would that would happen. Okay, So going back to
<v Speaker 1>your encounter where you guys went to the keeger and
<v Speaker 1>you saw the sasquatch hiding behind the tree. This creature,
<v Speaker 1>this being, it was bobbing back and forth, correct like
<v Speaker 1>swaying back and forth. Right, Well, why do you think
<v Speaker 1>it was doing that?
<v Speaker 2>You know, I for a long time I wondered about that,
<v Speaker 2>and and until I met this person that was a
<v Speaker 2>oh one that studies primates anthropologist, and uh, I asked
<v Speaker 2>this young lady this about that, and he goes, she goes,
<v Speaker 2>that's really not that uncommon amongst primates, especially amongst the
<v Speaker 2>greater apes. Chimpanzee and stuff like that. Anytime that they
<v Speaker 2>feel agitated or or they feel like, you know, they're
<v Speaker 2>that you're in their bubble. Uh, they start making that
<v Speaker 2>swing back and forth, you know, sort of uh, letting
<v Speaker 2>you know how big they are and and and and
<v Speaker 2>you know, look at me, and and you know, very
<v Speaker 2>agitated and something else. I said, what about a smell?
<v Speaker 2>Is that not only and she goes, yeah, that's also
<v Speaker 2>common amongst uh your your your primates, your larger primates.
<v Speaker 2>That it's you know, predominantly in the males. Uh. Anytime,
<v Speaker 2>once again they feel agitated that you're you're trespassing in
<v Speaker 2>their area, they will admit a pheromone, but steaks to
<v Speaker 2>let you know that you know, you're in their bubble. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So it's like intimidation.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, you're you're they're Uh. Isn't
<v Speaker 2>so much that they're urinating or anything. They're just you know,
<v Speaker 2>they're they're just letting out a real bad bio to
<v Speaker 2>let you know that you know, you're not welcome here.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, after the years of research, I sort
<v Speaker 2>of put two and two together. I honestly believe that
<v Speaker 2>the vein that was behind that tree was probably the
<v Speaker 2>alpha male and it and it made when now it's
<v Speaker 2>way to be seen by us that way. That way
<v Speaker 2>we were paying attention to it and not one of
<v Speaker 2>whatever was part of his family unit that was probably
<v Speaker 2>sneaking and hiding behind us. A lot of people say, well,
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you go look for bigfoot, why don't
<v Speaker 2>you shoot one? And I always tell them you ain't
<v Speaker 2>the one in front of you you need to worry about. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, if there's one around, there's most likely more. What
<v Speaker 1>time of year and what time of day? And did
<v Speaker 1>this encounter take place?
<v Speaker 2>Uh? Like I said, it's uh, it was towards the
<v Speaker 2>it was mid June, and time and night it was
<v Speaker 2>between eight and nine.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, June is a good time to find bigfoot of Missouri.
<v Speaker 1>And I think just because there's a lot of tree cover,
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of food out there, and their confidence
<v Speaker 1>is skyrocketed whenever they're able to hide better. But I
<v Speaker 1>have had encounter or experiences in the winter time here
<v Speaker 1>in Missouri, so you just got to go deep into
<v Speaker 1>the woods.
<v Speaker 2>Actually, I think that you have more more into uh
<v Speaker 2>into uh. The summer is not the best time to
<v Speaker 2>look for squatch, especially in our area. For the simple
<v Speaker 2>fact of it is, there's a lot of vegetation. They
<v Speaker 2>don't need a forage. Uh you know, uh, the white
<v Speaker 2>noise from the from the true frogs and the insects,
<v Speaker 2>it's so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. And uh
<v Speaker 2>you know, uh not mentioned in the heat and humidity,
<v Speaker 2>which you know that bright their dull sound. Uh. My
<v Speaker 2>favorite time is October. I always called it squatchtber. The
<v Speaker 2>vegetation starts to get scarce. They know that winters come
<v Speaker 2>on and that's when they start foraging and hunting.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've noticed they're more aggressive and September and October
<v Speaker 1>for some reason.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, they know that they got a fatten up.
<v Speaker 2>I mean they're already you know, well fed throughout the
<v Speaker 2>summer on various vegetations and stuff. And you know, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that they won't take off a deer
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, but for the most part, you know,
<v Speaker 2>they're they're fat and happy during the summer. When fall
<v Speaker 2>comes along and the vegetation ain't what it used to
<v Speaker 2>be and they and their coming starts growling, that's when
<v Speaker 2>they start going. That's when they start hunting and that's
<v Speaker 2>when they become more active at night. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I don't know. If you're ever up for
<v Speaker 1>meeting up in the future and doing an investigation, I'd
<v Speaker 1>be all for that. And maybe I'll try to get
<v Speaker 1>in on one of these BFR expeditions and see what
<v Speaker 1>it's all about.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure, but yeah, I mean, yeah, you're definitely in
<v Speaker 2>my neck of the woods, so I'd be more than
<v Speaker 2>happy to share notes. Now. Don't get me wrong. I
<v Speaker 2>do not claim to know everything to be all about bigfoot.
<v Speaker 2>I do not, and I will be the first one
<v Speaker 2>to admit it, you know. But over the years, I've
<v Speaker 2>picked up, I've learned, I've listened, And any opportunity you
<v Speaker 2>get to go in the field with somebody and and
<v Speaker 2>and uh share notes and and and talk to each other.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's always a every every time I go
<v Speaker 2>in the woods with with with somebody, to me, it's
<v Speaker 2>a learning experience each and every time. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. And there's a lot of stuff going on out
<v Speaker 1>there in the woods, and you just got to go
<v Speaker 1>out there and find it and investigate and find out
<v Speaker 1>for yourself. And like you said, you have to be
<v Speaker 1>a skeptical person. You have to be in disbelief and
<v Speaker 1>go out there and whenever you experience something that's unusual
<v Speaker 1>and compile the data, that's when you start believing more
<v Speaker 1>in this subject. And I mean there is a lot
<v Speaker 1>of listeners out there that are open minded and they say, hey,
<v Speaker 1>there's so many people that are talking about this, I
<v Speaker 1>believe in it. But there's also a ton of people
<v Speaker 1>that are just extremely skeptical and you just have to
<v Speaker 1>get out there and find it.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean I've always said that squatching is
<v Speaker 2>like fishing. You know, some days you will have you'll
<v Speaker 2>get real lucky and get quite a few, and some days,
<v Speaker 2>you know, you get stunned. But the thing is, if
<v Speaker 2>you don't get the hook in the water, you're not
<v Speaker 2>going to get that thing. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>The only difference is it doesn't matter how good of
<v Speaker 1>a fisherman you are. You know, sometimes people go out
<v Speaker 1>there and fish and they always catch fish because they
<v Speaker 1>know exactly how to rig their pull and where to
<v Speaker 1>go and just the sweet spots. But with this topic,
<v Speaker 1>these creatures, you just can't go out there every time
<v Speaker 1>and experience bigfoot activity.
<v Speaker 2>Oh heman's no, I mean and uh, And you know,
<v Speaker 2>people like to associate bigfoot research with like ghosts hunting
<v Speaker 2>or ghost ghost research. Here's the thing about that, you
<v Speaker 2>go into a haunted house, you're in a you're in
<v Speaker 2>an area that's known to be hanted. You know, in
<v Speaker 2>a in a area that's been that it's known to
<v Speaker 2>be hanted. You're in a I'm just throwing figures out here.
<v Speaker 2>You're in a You're in a twenty five hundred square
<v Speaker 2>foot area. Right, you go out in the woods with bigfoot,
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about a twenty five hundred square mile area,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and the odds of you being in
<v Speaker 2>where they happen to be is up. You know, it's
<v Speaker 2>it's against you. And but the vein is, like I said,
<v Speaker 2>if you don't get out there, and you don't get
<v Speaker 2>in the woods, and you don't and and you will
<v Speaker 2>never chase down a bigfoot. The vein is you got
<v Speaker 2>to bring them to you. You got to lure them
<v Speaker 2>to you, and that and that's that's all part of it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, anywhere you go in Missouri there are herds
<v Speaker 1>of deer on everyone's property. But with Sasquat there's maybe
<v Speaker 1>a few clans within a twenty five to fifty mile
<v Speaker 1>radius and there's some counties that don't really have that
<v Speaker 1>many reports, and there's other counties that are loaded with reports.
<v Speaker 1>So you just have to go out there and do
<v Speaker 1>the research and study it for yourself.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And and you can go by the reports and
<v Speaker 2>how many reports in that area, But sometimes it's not
<v Speaker 2>so much it's not so much a on the population
<v Speaker 2>of a of a bigfoot in that area as it
<v Speaker 2>is a population amount of people in there. The more
<v Speaker 2>people you have in an area, sure you're going to
<v Speaker 2>have more you know, you're going to have more sightings,
<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't make it necessarily mean that you know
<v Speaker 2>that there is a good thriving population in that area
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to a place that doesn't have that many.
<v Speaker 2>So the main thing you got to look for when
<v Speaker 2>you go squashing is a good water supply, good food supply,
<v Speaker 2>turkey deer vegetation, and a terrain that is where they
<v Speaker 2>are able to get around without being unmolested by others. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I think that's why there's so many encounters
<v Speaker 1>in Florida, because there's more humans there to lay eyes
<v Speaker 1>on them, right. Yeah, So maybe the best places are
<v Speaker 1>the ones that you've never heard of.
<v Speaker 2>Just get out on the top of the graphical map.
<v Speaker 2>Find an area where you know, Devil's backbone, devils then
<v Speaker 2>some hill roaring or something in that area. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I've always noticed if there's a place that has the
<v Speaker 1>word springs in it, it's typically a good place. Whether
<v Speaker 1>it's like eure eCos Springs, Bennett Springs, Merrimac Springs, Montalk Spring. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>good water source, and typically there's a lot of forest
<v Speaker 1>around there, not too many people. If there are a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people that are in like one generalized you know,
<v Speaker 1>one location where they're all grouped up at, but I
<v Speaker 1>mean there's people everywhere. But there's also a ton of
<v Speaker 1>woods out there, and a lot of people that say
<v Speaker 1>there's not enough woods out there to support a creature
<v Speaker 1>like this, and there's not enough food. They don't know
<v Speaker 1>what they're talking about.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I will. You know. It's a thing that I
<v Speaker 2>put together and and shared at at certain expeditions and conferences,
<v Speaker 2>and one of them is is how ecologically speaking, North
<v Speaker 2>America today is more eco friendly towards the resistance of
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot that it has been in over two hundred years.
<v Speaker 2>And people say, well, that's crazy, and I'm like, is
<v Speaker 2>it two hundred years ago when a when a farmer
<v Speaker 2>came in, a siddler come in, the first thing, what
<v Speaker 2>did they do? They clear cut the land. What was
<v Speaker 2>the main source of lodging woods, What was the main
<v Speaker 2>source of fuel woods? What was the main source of
<v Speaker 2>anything that they that a person could do to keep
<v Speaker 2>alive in an area would so, you know, and and
<v Speaker 2>in order to raise their their livestock or plant their
<v Speaker 2>their their their crops, the first thing they had to
<v Speaker 2>do is clear cut the land. And then after that,
<v Speaker 2>you know. Uh, then came the over harvesting of woods.
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's how that's how the dust bowl had
<v Speaker 2>happen for people of history, because the forest land was
<v Speaker 2>clear cut so much for over harvesting of wood for
<v Speaker 2>railroad ties or buildings or what have you, that you know,
<v Speaker 2>it eroded the lands and a dust ball happened. I mean, uh,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you ever heard of the bald knobbers. Well,
<v Speaker 2>the reason why they called themselves the bald nubbers because
<v Speaker 2>they would go up you know, and this is in
<v Speaker 2>the Branson area. They would go up to top of
<v Speaker 2>the hill that was all clear cut and little trees
<v Speaker 2>and have their meetings. That way they could see anybody
<v Speaker 2>that was trying to come up and sneak up on them.
<v Speaker 2>Now go down, Now, go down to Branson and try
<v Speaker 2>to find, uh, find these hills around there that isn't
<v Speaker 2>covered in forests. As far as food source, do you
<v Speaker 2>know that they're due to over harvesting of our wildlife?
<v Speaker 2>Do you know that deer the deer population come the
<v Speaker 2>around nineteen thirties, the deer population was so low there
<v Speaker 2>was less than two thousand in all of Missouri.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, they would put it in the paper if
<v Speaker 1>someone saw a deer, which is, oh, yeah, it's wild.
<v Speaker 1>Because back then the settlers, they would hunt every single day.
<v Speaker 1>There weren't game wardens out there. They didn't have a
<v Speaker 1>season where you can only go out for two weeks
<v Speaker 1>or a couple months with your bow and have to
<v Speaker 1>wait for a deer to walk right underneath your stand.
<v Speaker 1>They would go out every day and kill these things.
<v Speaker 2>Turkey population same bind, you know, And I mean it
<v Speaker 2>got so bad that the Missouri Conservation actually relocated deer
<v Speaker 2>from Michigan and the Upper you know, the Upper up
<v Speaker 2>up in that area. They had to relocate deer back
<v Speaker 2>into Missouri. They have to actually repopulate deer and turkey
<v Speaker 2>back to Missouri.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean they're even bringing elkback. So the
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch are making it comeback. And there's not that many
<v Speaker 1>people out in the woods because we have electric now,
<v Speaker 1>we have everything we need. And the skeptical person that
<v Speaker 1>is listening to us right now that is rolling their eyes,
<v Speaker 1>they're going to say, why aren't there any pictures. There's
<v Speaker 1>trail cameras everywhere. Like if I go out in the
<v Speaker 1>woods and I'm where I'm not supposed to be and
<v Speaker 1>I see a trail cam, I just go around it
<v Speaker 1>and something that's super intelligent, they're gonna do the same thing.
<v Speaker 1>They're going to avoid it. And there's a lot of
<v Speaker 1>animals out there that can see the ir off these cameras,
<v Speaker 1>and it's been real.
<v Speaker 2>And they tried to say that you can't see they
<v Speaker 2>are are I've seen too many of those of those
<v Speaker 2>game cam pigs where you know, the deer or the
<v Speaker 2>raccoon's like, we'll approach the cam, Like what the hell
<v Speaker 2>is that you know? So don't tell me that they
<v Speaker 2>can't see that ir.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree, And they say caribou can see them,
<v Speaker 1>mature white tail bucks and I'm sure any white tail
<v Speaker 1>can see the IR, just maybe does don't care because
<v Speaker 1>they're they can be careless sometimes. And same with fon deer.
<v Speaker 1>They can probably see it, they just don't care because
<v Speaker 1>they're more interested in the food source. But it's been
<v Speaker 1>proven that mature bucks, whenever the IR flicks off, they'll
<v Speaker 1>take off running and they won't come back.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So any other experiences that you want to
<v Speaker 1>share with me, anything else that's happened that's significant.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, throughout the years, I was at the Ohio Bigfoot
<v Speaker 2>conference ones and Bobcat gooth way. Uh, you do you
<v Speaker 2>know who that is? No, that you did, but you
<v Speaker 2>don't realize it. Bobcat. That's why he is a comedian,
<v Speaker 2>actor and producer. Okay, he's the one that was from
<v Speaker 2>a police academy you know, and what you know and
<v Speaker 2>uh and and various other films where you know he
<v Speaker 2>he would actually made an act about his tourette syndrome
<v Speaker 2>and uh. Anyway, he did this. He produced and directed
<v Speaker 2>this one film called uh Willow Creek and uh and uh,
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was a good movie up until the
<v Speaker 2>end and then it went Hollywood and you know, something
<v Speaker 2>dragged and beat the crap out of the guy and
<v Speaker 2>and took off with the girl, you know, and blah
<v Speaker 2>blah blah. But in that time, you know, they showed
<v Speaker 2>they did. They depicted the uh vocalizations, rocks being thrown,
<v Speaker 2>would not stuff walking around the uh around camps and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. And anyway, Bob asked me, he goes, so, Ron,
<v Speaker 2>what do you think of the film? And I said,
<v Speaker 2>I said, I liked it. And I was honest with
<v Speaker 2>him until the end. I said, but you you know,
<v Speaker 2>and basically it was a story about a couple that
<v Speaker 2>went hiking and and sort of a h uh, sort
<v Speaker 2>of like that Blair Witch project, you know, where it
<v Speaker 2>was a couple and they were filming themselves going through
<v Speaker 2>you know, all this stuff and and and in a
<v Speaker 2>matter of a couple of days and and how you know,
<v Speaker 2>and they were experiences and their reactions and stuff. And
<v Speaker 2>I said, in the two days that you depicted in
<v Speaker 2>this film, you put out there what experience I had?
<v Speaker 2>That took twelve years? You know, I've had the vocalizations.
<v Speaker 2>I've had things thrown at me, I've had things walk
<v Speaker 2>around my tent. I've had something poke poke at me
<v Speaker 2>through through the tent. You know, I've never had one,
<v Speaker 2>you know, dragged me out and beat the crap out
<v Speaker 2>of me. But I'll tell you what, if that ever happens,
<v Speaker 2>you make sure that someone better make sure that if
<v Speaker 2>my face is baled up or my mouth is clinched,
<v Speaker 2>that I don't have some kind of something for DNA evidence.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, because I'm not going, I'm I'm I'm
<v Speaker 2>clawing or biting something off in order to prove that
<v Speaker 2>they have some DNA evidence. But anyway, but the thing
<v Speaker 2>is in the and that was you know, it was
<v Speaker 2>five years ago. But in the seventeen years, Yeah, I've
<v Speaker 2>had vocalizations, I've had something walking around my tent at night.
<v Speaker 2>I haven't had something poked at me through my tent.
<v Speaker 2>I've had rocks thrown at me. You know, I've heard
<v Speaker 2>the tree crack, you know. You know, I had all
<v Speaker 2>sorts of fun. And you know, someone asked me years ago, said, uh,
<v Speaker 2>aren't you scared when you go in the woods and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that happens? And I said, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>the first my first experience, the one that I depicted,
<v Speaker 2>you know at the beginning of the show. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>was terrified, but was so just like I was terrified
<v Speaker 2>the first time I rolled a roller coaster, now it's
<v Speaker 2>it's exciting, it's thrilling, you know. And if I get
<v Speaker 2>to share that with someone out in the woods that's
<v Speaker 2>never had quite the experience that they just had, I
<v Speaker 2>feel so proud, so happy for that person. I mean
<v Speaker 2>sort of like a father that that that just watched
<v Speaker 2>his son, uh uh pull in a five pound bass.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm giddy for them and uh uh so yeah,
<v Speaker 2>there's there. There's been quite a few things that's happened
<v Speaker 2>over the years.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>One time down in Texas. Now this is going to
<v Speaker 2>strike the odd. This is even odd for me. We
<v Speaker 2>were down there in uh on an expedition and uh
<v Speaker 2>and we were in this opening us rounded by wood
<v Speaker 2>and uh and uh. The night before we were told
<v Speaker 2>that there was gonna be a big old snowstorm to
<v Speaker 2>roll through. And sure enough there was and it probably
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be a good idea to stay in camp when
<v Speaker 2>that snow storm went through, and you know, and it
<v Speaker 2>was that wet, sloppy, you know, snow and h and
<v Speaker 2>uh so we went to nurs town and you know,
<v Speaker 2>hold up in hotels and stuff bumped up. Well, the
<v Speaker 2>next day we went back to the camp and you
<v Speaker 2>know this Texas, and like you know, by noon half
<v Speaker 2>that snow was melted and it snowed a good two
<v Speaker 2>and a half feet that just you know a matter
<v Speaker 2>of hours, and by noon it was pretty much all melted.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, all of our cans were loaded by
<v Speaker 2>that wet snow, and you know, it was a lot
<v Speaker 2>of clean up and do and do this that, and
<v Speaker 2>people were, you know, hey, Ron, what do you want here? Ron?
<v Speaker 2>Where should this go? Ron? Can you help me with this? Okay?
<v Speaker 2>So this was going up, going on throughout the whole day. Well,
<v Speaker 2>later that night, like two o'clock in the morning, we
<v Speaker 2>all of us were in bed with sleep, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and and and from the woods and and uh we
<v Speaker 2>were separated from the real thick woods by a uh
<v Speaker 2>by barbar fence. Uh in the woods, you heard au
<v Speaker 2>we heard a long howl okay. And and then towards
<v Speaker 2>the end of it, you heard Ron Ron run and
<v Speaker 2>I and I was halfway asleep, but it was very
<v Speaker 2>cold that night, and I wasn't going to crawl out
<v Speaker 2>of my comfy sleeping back for nothing, So I went, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I heard it. I hope someone else had it recorded
<v Speaker 2>well the next morning and we swear, and I swore
<v Speaker 2>up and down that was, you know, this sky in
<v Speaker 2>the tent not too far away from me. And there
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of us that were sitting around there
<v Speaker 2>trying to warm up to the campfire, and because it
<v Speaker 2>was it got really cold. We're talking, you know, below
<v Speaker 2>twenty degrees that night, and we were next morning, we
<v Speaker 2>were sitting around there drinking our coffee and warming up
<v Speaker 2>to the fire, and following the guy that I thought
<v Speaker 2>was called for me.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>He comes out there and he says that I looked
<v Speaker 2>at him and said, so did you hear that vocalization?
<v Speaker 2>He goes, what vocalization the one that you called called
<v Speaker 2>my name about? And he goes, I didn't hear you.
<v Speaker 2>They I didn't call your name. And about three or
<v Speaker 2>four of us UH heard this. I heard somebody called
<v Speaker 2>my name, you know one of them uh. And some
<v Speaker 2>of them were you know gnomes are no members of
<v Speaker 2>the big Foot community, Sabella Irwin being one of them,
<v Speaker 2>and UH and Dennis Pole and we were like, yes,
<v Speaker 2>you did, No, I didn't. Well, there was one guy
<v Speaker 2>he set up a pop up you know trailer next
<v Speaker 2>to the uh to the fence and the other side
<v Speaker 2>of his woods. He was listening to us talking and
<v Speaker 2>he comes out and goes, guys, I got news for you.
<v Speaker 2>Someone calling Ron's name did not come from the camp.
<v Speaker 2>That came from the woods.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrifying. How do you think they knew your name?
<v Speaker 2>They were listening to us.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that happened to my buddy Bill in the Mark
<v Speaker 1>Twain National Forest. He was camping at a boat ramp
<v Speaker 1>and sasquatch came around and they were being pretty territorial.
<v Speaker 1>He ended up having to shoot his forty five in
<v Speaker 1>the air. But before that happened, before he shot his
<v Speaker 1>forty five, one of them said, Bill, And I asked him,
<v Speaker 1>how how do they know your name? I was like,
<v Speaker 1>maybe they heard you talk to your wife Debbie. He's like, no,
<v Speaker 1>I've never I never said my name. No one said
<v Speaker 1>my name. I was out there by myself. I called Debbie,
<v Speaker 1>but they didn't hear that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, well yeah, but no, they were here. See
<v Speaker 2>the thing is when they they get a position out there,
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the woods. Uh, we're we're we are
<v Speaker 2>pretty uh uh we were entertainment for them. You know,
<v Speaker 2>they'll they'll they'll miss it up in those woods and
<v Speaker 2>watch us, and uh and and and uh. Yeah. You know,
<v Speaker 2>people are saying my name throughout the whole thing, you know,
<v Speaker 2>so two o'clock in the morning, right rn. You know
<v Speaker 2>that sort of that sort of mystified us, you know,
<v Speaker 2>but it happened. I have witnesses. I have very credible
<v Speaker 2>witnesses that was there when it happened. You know. One time,
<v Speaker 2>not far from uh Willis Springs, Missouri. Uh, there's this
<v Speaker 2>one gentleman. For almost a year and a half he
<v Speaker 2>was telling me about he found the honey hole, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and I said, well, dude, take me to it. Well
<v Speaker 2>you won't. No, I'm gonna sort of savor this for
<v Speaker 2>a while. He kept them to himself for a And
<v Speaker 2>what he would do is he go to this honey
<v Speaker 2>hole and he would take an old used horse blanket
<v Speaker 2>freshly used my horse blanket and get in the back
<v Speaker 2>of his truck and he covered him stuff with us
<v Speaker 2>the smell of the old horse blanket to cover his metal, right,
<v Speaker 2>and which I thought was rather ingenious. And he said,
<v Speaker 2>and come, you know, when it gets dark, it starts,
<v Speaker 2>it starts, uh, the activity starts happening, and he goes,
<v Speaker 2>but you're not gonna believe where this activity is. Well
<v Speaker 2>for you know, for a going on your you know,
<v Speaker 2>you know, he would tell me about this and then
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, dude, where is this place? Now, I'll take
<v Speaker 2>you someday, but I'm not going to tell you where. Well,
<v Speaker 2>finally the blow and behold, the day came. He took
<v Speaker 2>me out there. I got in his truck and he
<v Speaker 2>took me there. And and somewhere over hell over Dale,
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the wood somewhere we came. We
<v Speaker 2>came in this area and and they're you know, surrounded
<v Speaker 2>by woods except for a elementary school that was built
<v Speaker 2>off this highway. And around the elementary school was a playground.
<v Speaker 2>And he showed me where he parked. And he parked
<v Speaker 2>across the road from you know, where the buses were
<v Speaker 2>turned around and stuff. And he'd just set up shop
<v Speaker 2>right there across the stront from the road, and and
<v Speaker 2>with his thermal he'd watch it and our night vision,
<v Speaker 2>he'd watch these things come out. And I said, and
<v Speaker 2>this only, and he goes, isn't that incredible? Why would
<v Speaker 2>they do that right here withot you know, right here
<v Speaker 2>with this building and stuff like that. And I said,
<v Speaker 2>and I asked myself, so this usually happens during the
<v Speaker 2>dead of winter. You know, yeah, not not at the
<v Speaker 2>bigginning of school, but you know he goes, but towards
<v Speaker 2>the end of the fall and during the winter, I said, Bill,
<v Speaker 2>I said, uh, don't you get it. This is free
<v Speaker 2>bread and circus, man, this is free food and entertainment
<v Speaker 2>for them. What do you mean, I said, During the day,
<v Speaker 2>they hide out in the brush and they watch the
<v Speaker 2>kids play and frolic, and yet, you know, and carry on,
<v Speaker 2>and they're probably even they're probably even attracted by the
<v Speaker 2>sounds of of the of the roar of the kids
<v Speaker 2>playing out there in the playground, watching them swing and
<v Speaker 2>slide and stuff. And then even at night, when everything's
<v Speaker 2>nice and calm and quiet, they come in there and
<v Speaker 2>and they make their and they make a beeline to
<v Speaker 2>the dumpster and they and they do a little dumpster
<v Speaker 2>diving and eat whatever the kids didn't. You know, this
<v Speaker 2>is free This is free circus, free bread and circus,
<v Speaker 2>free entertainment, free feed. And I said, it makes perfect
<v Speaker 2>sense to me, and a lot and but you know,
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people wouldn't think that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point where I had my encounters out.
<v Speaker 1>There's a school on the other side of the woods,
<v Speaker 1>and I've often wondered that because the playground faces the woods,
<v Speaker 1>and I, you know, I try to think, why are
<v Speaker 1>these things here? There's a lake behind that school, there's
<v Speaker 1>a playground and the lakes in the woods. So and
<v Speaker 1>the lake pours out into the main creek where I
<v Speaker 1>normally have seen the sasquatch and where I've seen the
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch and normally here activity. So I've wondered that about
<v Speaker 1>the kids playing myself.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, creeks, creeks and rivers are you know? Those are highways? Man?
<v Speaker 2>Those are you know? That's how they know where they're at.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So what do you think these creatures are?
<v Speaker 2>I think they're are undiscovered. Well they've been discovered, but
<v Speaker 2>but they say scientifically under unrecognized primate. Probably am you know,
<v Speaker 2>related to the gigant epithicas blackness from Asia that has
<v Speaker 2>that came over across the Arctic Bridge and from Asia
<v Speaker 2>and made their way and and the population soon spread
<v Speaker 2>out across the North American continent. You know? Are they am?
<v Speaker 2>I saying that they're just average apes. No, they are smart.
<v Speaker 2>But think about this, Uh, a chimpanzee has the i
<v Speaker 2>Q of a five year old child, okay, without the
<v Speaker 2>speech A. We had a gorilla, they had the sign
<v Speaker 2>language communication capability you know, uh cocoa, and they had
<v Speaker 2>a capability of a twelve year old child. Now, think
<v Speaker 2>of a of a primate with the brain mass twice
<v Speaker 2>the size of or you know, are almost almost twice
<v Speaker 2>the size of a of a primate, of a of
<v Speaker 2>a mountain gorilla, you know, and think how smart they are. Now,
<v Speaker 2>someone asked me, do you think they're smarter than that?
<v Speaker 2>I said, well, as far as uh surviving their territory, yes,
<v Speaker 2>I said, we probably have a better dental plan. But
<v Speaker 2>you know, but yeah, I think that they are aflih
<v Speaker 2>and blood and scientifically recognized primate.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Ron, I appreciate you for sharing your theory with me.
<v Speaker 1>And one question that I have before we end the podcast.
<v Speaker 1>During these expeditions, during your experiences, have you ever seen
<v Speaker 1>an ORB out there along with bigfoot activity anything strange
<v Speaker 1>like that.
<v Speaker 2>I have heard about orbs, I myself have not experienced one.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I appreciate you for being honest with me, and yeah,
<v Speaker 1>hopefully we can meet up in the future. I'd like
<v Speaker 1>to meet you in person and investigate the woods for
<v Speaker 1>these forest creatures. And Yeah, it was certainly a pleasure
<v Speaker 1>having you on the show today, and I appreciate you
<v Speaker 1>for taking the time out of your day to talk
<v Speaker 1>with me and share your experiences openly with everyone here
<v Speaker 1>on sasquatch theory.
<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, and thank you for having me on. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. And if you ever encounter or experience anything else
<v Speaker 1>and you want to talk about it, feel free to
<v Speaker 1>contact me anytime.
<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely. A lot of people ask me why I
<v Speaker 2>do this. It's for the experience. It's for the I mean,
<v Speaker 2>since I've gotten involved in this research, I have been
<v Speaker 2>to the smoky mountains of Tennessee. I've been to the
<v Speaker 2>rocky mountains of Colorado. I've been in the swamps of
<v Speaker 2>southern Texas and Louisiana, you know, the hills of the Ozarks,
<v Speaker 2>the you know I've seen. I've been on top of
<v Speaker 2>mountains where during a meteor shower that seems so close
<v Speaker 2>that one was going to land on my lap. I've
<v Speaker 2>watched the fod rise out of and miss come out
<v Speaker 2>of the swamp, and all during that time you know,
<v Speaker 2>I've I feel like my life has been enriched and
<v Speaker 2>by this, by this research and going out there and exploring,
<v Speaker 2>I have made friends throughout the country, some known, not
<v Speaker 2>some not so known, and and to the point, I'm
<v Speaker 2>almost a family like bonding. Matter of fact, I've been
<v Speaker 2>I have been adopted by a beautiful, wonderful Apache family
<v Speaker 2>in the Hicicilla tribe of northern New Mexico. They call
<v Speaker 2>me Daja Ron and and uh you know they're they're
<v Speaker 2>couldn't meet the most finest people you ever met, all
<v Speaker 2>because of this research. So you know what, for people
<v Speaker 2>that want to are having second thoughts about going out
<v Speaker 2>doing something, do it. Man. It is it is. It
<v Speaker 2>is truly a blessing in your life. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you gotta get out there and enjoy nature and
<v Speaker 1>enjoy life. Well, Daha Ron, I appreciate your time, and
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate the Ozar carry Man for putting me in
<v Speaker 1>contact with you, and I'm really glad he did. I'm
<v Speaker 1>glad I came across that short video of you talking
<v Speaker 1>about your encounter and I feel like it was meant
<v Speaker 1>to be.
<v Speaker 2>Man.
<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, Ron, Well you enjoy the rest
<v Speaker 1>of your night. And hopefully we talk again in the future.
<v Speaker 1>My friend, you bet all right? Take care, all right,
<v Speaker 1>take care Ron. It was an absolute pleasure speaking with
<v Speaker 1>you today, and I was very excited to hear about
<v Speaker 1>your personal encounter of this sasquatch creature hiding behind the
<v Speaker 1>tree playing peekaboo. I think the sounds of teenagers hanging
<v Speaker 1>out in the four attracted these creatures, and they are
<v Speaker 1>very curious by nature, and they came in to see
<v Speaker 1>what was going on. Of course, I am just speculating
<v Speaker 1>and theorizing, but no one really knows what's going on
<v Speaker 1>in these creatures' minds and what they're thinking day by day.
<v Speaker 1>It really makes me wonder what these creatures are thinking
<v Speaker 1>in their mind when they encounter a human being. Are
<v Speaker 1>they possibly scared curious or are we on the menu
<v Speaker 1>and they see us as food? I don't really think so.
<v Speaker 1>I think they see us as one of them, and
<v Speaker 1>maybe sometimes they see us as food, but I think
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty rare. I think they have a sense of
<v Speaker 1>humor and they enjoy scaring the crap out of us.
<v Speaker 1>I think they are very self aware of their own
<v Speaker 1>existence and they know that humans have no idea that
<v Speaker 1>they're out there and they have the upper hand on us.
<v Speaker 1>Of course, with different personalities and individuals and possibly different
<v Speaker 1>types of sasquatch, you'll get different outcomes, and not everyone
<v Speaker 1>has the same experience or encounter. I think certain people
<v Speaker 1>that encounter these creatures are going to have their own
<v Speaker 1>opinions and thoughts about what they truly are, depending on
<v Speaker 1>the experience that they had. Some people believe that they
<v Speaker 1>are friendly and they go their own way, while others
<v Speaker 1>have these terrifying experiences and never want to step foot
<v Speaker 1>in the woods ever.
<v Speaker 2>Again.
<v Speaker 1>I believe personally that researching these creatures will only get
<v Speaker 1>you so far because they are extremely elusive by nature,
<v Speaker 1>and it's only a matter of time until a researcher
<v Speaker 1>will run into these things, whether they hear them mount
<v Speaker 1>in the forest or they actually lay eyes on them.
<v Speaker 1>But it's a matter of being prepared. Are you going
<v Speaker 1>to have your camera during that three second encounter? And
<v Speaker 1>are you going to be ready At the end of
<v Speaker 1>the day, it doesn't matter what you documented or who
<v Speaker 1>believes you, but the fact that you encountered a creature
<v Speaker 1>that's so rare and most people will never have a
<v Speaker 1>chance to experience that. I appreciate everyone for tuning in
<v Speaker 1>today and if you guys can like the video and
<v Speaker 1>subscribe to the channel and until the next one, be
<v Speaker 1>safe out in the forest.