Eazy from ‘The Bachelorette’ Is Here

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Happy hour listeners, and happy hump Day Now, Rachel, I have to say, Wednesdays are just getting so much better now that we have a batcherette back on the air, and I feel like this is the perfect time everyone needs a little midweek pick me up, and so I'm glad that it actually changed to Wednesdays for a little bit. But speaking of pick me up, so you know who else has given me a little pick me up vibe? Easy Easy everybody's favorite contestant this season. He is he He's just like so full of life and it's just like this great character. I mean, I talked about him briefly last week because he was one of the guys from the inter packages that really stuck out to me, and of course we had to have him on this week because I feel like, like I said, he's so full of life. Every time I watch him, I feel like I want to drink a Red Bull, or like chug fourteen cups of coffee or just like have an ivy of Easy in me because he's just like that lovable and it just portrays through the screen. So I can't wait to have him on and hopefully his energy rubs up on us today. I don't know how it can't right. He just seems like his energy just comes through the TV screen. And this is important for all the Bachelor happy our listeners to pay attention to. We always talk about the one who gets like first impression rows or we think has a super big connection with the lead, or the crier, or the victim or the messy one, the bully, whatever it may be. But you don't talk about the narrator. You gotta pay attention to who's narrating the season. One that means they're a favorite of the franchise to tell you right now. But two, it means their voice is important and it's respected. And if you've been watching these last two episodes, you know that Easy is the narrator. So we're so excited to have our boy Easy come on. He's going to chat about everything that went down and last night's episode and hopefully give us some inside scoop because I have some questions. I feel like there's some there's some things that are missing, and hopefully Easy can fill us in on that. We'll ask him to step into his narrator role. I'm so excited to have him on because you said it perfectly. He's so involved. I feel like we see so much of him, but in such a positive way, like he's not really getting involved in the drama in a bad negative way. He just is easy going. I think Claire like spending time with him, and so yeah, I definitely want to pick his brain. He's been somebody that I've been wanting to talk to you for a while, so I can't wait. But before we have him on, let's do a quick little recap because we saw a lot go down last night. I didn't think that anything could really top the premiere, Like, let's be honest, there's so much that happens night one, but this episode is up there and it's only week two, so we just have to dive in. Let's start recapping from the top, because we saw this teaser go down where no surprise here, Claire and Dale got hot and heavy. But then I feel like there's pandemonium breaking loose, like all the guys are running around kind of like bashing Dale a little bit, not quite sure what's going on with their relationship. So I think we have to get into that because it's fair he's still on theme with Claire being very very into Dale. Yeah, I Mean, the thing what I do love about this season, and we kind of talked about this a little bit, is that they're giving us so much. But if they're giving us this much, that means there has to be something that we're not getting. And I also appreciate that they know, as viewers, were not dumb. There are so many rumors swirling around in regards to who's bachelorette, who's not, who picked who, all these things, and they're playing into that, which I think makes this season even more fun to watch. So we get these crazy teachers. Every promo that has come out for Claire season has been straight fire. I'm loving every single minute of I mean, here at work, we talk about it all the time. We're like, did you see the new promo? Even people who don't even watch this season or into this, you know, kudos to Bachelor franchise. Y'all are killing it. But I do have to say that I believe that some of the drama we're seeing is not quite what we think it is. Like, I feel like they're giving us all the high moments in the teaser, but it's not going to be quite what we think it is. Except for that Dell part. Right where the guys are questioning Dell. I need to understand what that's about. Well. And it's so interesting because last week we kind of I mean, you definitely hit the high points on your favorite quotes. I mean when Chris Harrison says, congratulations, you've blown up the Bachelorette. But this week there's a couple that stuck out to me, one being Riley when he says there is no we, there is no us, there is no me and you. And so of course when they're showing this, they make it seem like it's for Dale. But you know, we'll get into that because it's really that's interesting. That's what you thought it was. I thought he was. They made it seem like he was talking to Claire. Oh, I don't know why. I don't know why. I was like, yeah, I thought he was talking to Claire. One other part that stuck out to me was Joseph when he says you're crazy, And in my mind when I'm watching this back, I'm like, honey, you better not be saying this to the baucherette and you hopefully are saying this to one of the dudes, because that is not going to go over well with Claire. We know how Claire probably would react to that as any woman would, so that's something The teaser was crazy, it was leaves a lot to the imagination. So I think we should just get past that and get into the dates because I think the first date that we saw, the love Language one, was perfect for Claire, especially coming out of quarantine where she has not seen or touched anyone in months. Whoever put this date together was so smart to do it as the very very first date. Yeah, I thought, also, you know, part of watching this season is how are they going to get creative with the dates? They can't travel? What are they going to do? And then once again they knock it out of the park with this date, which was so relevant but also so fun to watch if you're a viewer, not if you're the man that are in the room. So my question to you as we first see them, you know, give words of affirmation and speak to her. Who do you think had the best speech? Oh I'm trying to think who went first? Was it? Why am I blanking on his name? Was it was Ben? And that's who impressed me the most? Yeah? So Ben win first? And I thought he I mean like he hit it the nail on the head right away. So on that date, let's just go through really quick. So for anyone not watching, it was Ben Bennett, Dale, Ivan Jordan's c Riley, Joseph, zax C, and Zach j. So, yeah, Ben was the best. I felt like it was heartfelt. He really set the standards high, I think to begin with everything there on after that kind of fell short. Obviously, we saw Claire really wanting to hear from Dale, and you know, she's just enamored with him, She's so drawn to him, so she was excited. She mentioned in one of her interviews that she that's who she most wanted to hear from. But I think Ben her words of affirmation took the cake in that one. Did you like Dale's speech? Uh? I was underwhelmed, underwhelmed It's perfect word. He was rambling. I was. I was like, Okay, I can only imagine how hard it is to be in a room and you hear everyone go and then you have to go. It gets all in your mind. But I thought, okay, here comes Dell, and there went Dell. I went right back to bed. Yeah, underwhelmed, perfect word. Yeah, And you know, like you said, I'm sure It's one thing to have to open up and express your feelings on a first date, like that's not common. Most people don't really get that that deep and heavy on a first date, let alone having to do it in front of multiple men that you're living with. I could see why it would be offered. I was like trying to put myself in their shoes, Like if I was on the state, what would I say. It's difficult because you don't really know this person yet, like you've only had one night with them, and so it's it would be tough. Um. So I just kept trying to remember, Like I kept I wanted them to give me more. But then I'm like, give them some grace. This is the very first date of the season. But I will say what once we got past the words of affirmation into the what I thought it was cute? What was it? The touch? Not the touch before that where they had to go back to the villa get a little gift? Was it acts not access service? Yes it was gifts, Yes it was gifts. Yeah. I thought that was cute. I thought it was thoughtful. Some of them brought up cute gifts, like the guy with the chess piece and the first baseball when Riley gave her the or his last baseball game that he ever played. That was sweet. Um, but yeah, I mean obviously it was. It was planned, right, because why the hell would Riley have bring his baseball with him, right? Why the hell would Zach Jay have boxes on boxes on boxes. I was Rachel, if this, if you were one of the contestants on the state, what would you have brought the lead? Well, one we I would hope that we were prepped like these guys. I'm assuming were to bring something and that you know what, I take this back, I'm pretty sure that they did say to us, bring something that means a lot to you that you want to carry with you. I honestly don't know what I would have brought. That's a that's a I was thinking that as I was watching. I don't know, Becca, do you know? Well, first that would be minnow, But I'm not to give her off right because I wouldn't want to go too deep. Yeause, I don't know you like that yet. Well, this is so embarrassing. I've talked about this on my Instagram, but I still sleep with my baby blanket and and that's like the most important thing probably after mine to me in my house. But I would also not part with that. I'd be like, I don't know you well enough. You are not getting a piece of this baby. I would hope Claire gave those things back, right, like if you didn't pick some one of these men that was on the date, I really hope you gave them back. Surely, surely, and don't be ashamed. I still sleep with a care bear named Grumpy and part with it. But yeah, I guess physical touch we have to get into that because that was that was the moment of the stage. So did I miss that none of the guys kissed her during physical touch? It didn't seem like it. Some of them might think kissed her cheek and her neck and got in there. No one. Well, that's what I was wondering. I was waiting for somebody to go in for the kiss, because there's always that one person, and no one did. And I wonder if that was one of the up front work. Chris is like, Okay, use other parts of your body, like really show her, but just don't, you know, go for the gold at this point, Yeah, because I probably just would have kissed. So this made it a little bit more sensual. Okay, I changed my mind. That could just change my mind. I like that. And I love that she has a strong sense of smell and she could smell them because I'm I'm the same way when it comes to people. But I thought it was so funny to watch like Ivan, who was clearly uncomfortable with the entire stay. Honestly, I would have turned and put my head in a corner, you know, didn't did anybody try to look away, did anybody try to cover their eyes like her ears or whatever? And then like such rule followers, right, Like I would have turned around and face the corner. Yeah, yeah, I would have been hiding behind a tree or something. Also, I feel like if I was one of the contestants and had to blindfold and touch somebody, I would like get a lockerroun. I'd be like, I would go for the butt grab or something. Yeah, and and and you know wanted to we got to talk about another failure on Dale's part. I'm just looking at this. Let's go back to the gifts Delle gave her puppy perfume. Now I'm now, I'm I'm I'm I'm analyzing. I'm giving Dale a harder time, and I'm analyzing him with a keen I like with with I'm really like giving, like scrutinizing him because you know, the rumors are out there swirling, so I'm obviously anybody who's watching is like z rode in on Dell. And for goodness sake, she said, I met my husband after and I was like, puppy perfume. I didn't think that that was a thing. I mean, did he did he just make that up? Puppy perfume? Just once again, and the words of Becca Koufren under wow, just oh my gosh. Okay. So we go onto the group date that night. Um, I think the guy that stood the most to me was Riley. I mean I really like Eiley. I just I liked that he took the moment to still have this physical touch, like to still dance with her and just make her feel calm. I mean, obviously she was. Her thoughts were stirring in her head because she thought none of these dudes wanted to hang out with her and talk to her that night. So I thought he did a great job of showing up. I never had that experience. Did that happened to you? No? No, But I always thought it was thankfully somebody always pulled me away right away. I think I just realized the importance of time. But yeah, I found it very very strange that everyone just sat there for a little bit. Yeah, like, why didn't any of the guys step up? But I don't It obviously was real because it noted it affected Claire. She couldn't even have a conversation with whoever it was she was talking to. I don't remember, because the way the guys were acting, and I like to think that, you know, like maybe Adele, you know, let me get some dell some positive points here. You know, probably didn't want to step up because he had had so much time with her, and maybe he was trying to give the other guys a chance. But still, like, it's so weird, and I also find that extremely unattractive that no one stepped up and grabbed her. Yeah I know, I know I will. And it's like the people by now kind of know the name of the game. Every night, when you have a moment, you go for it. So I didn't understand why everyone was just sitting back. I felt so bad for her, But I think once she addressed it, that's the thing Claire is so great about addressing these men in any sort of given scenario. And because I probably would not have reacted that way. I would have said some like weird awkward joke throwing myself under the bus. And so I really like how assertive she is. And they listened. They took it to heart so well, some of them listened, not all of them. Yes, and you had what do you think about him? Because like this is where we start to see his true colors. I'm not a fan and I'm not gonna lie. Oh even night one, I wasn't a huge fan. I mean we talked about him in the drama with who was it last week? Tyler? See I mean Granny Like that wasn't really drama. Yeah, I just I'm not a fan. And he's starting to obviously rub me the wrong way. We see him slowly, slowly sparrowed onward real quick in this episode. So we saw Riley get the group date rose, and then we go on to the one on one, the first one on one of the season with Jason. I'm really glad she picked Jason for this one. I really liked the date that they had planned. I love the date that Claire and Jason had because it might have been one of the deepest dates I've ever seen a contestant hat, especially the first one. Yes, yeah, and were you shocked she picked Jason because we know he came out with the belly and he was the pregnant guy, and like that could have gone horribly wrong. But obviously it did something to Claren. It really really impressed her. Yeah, well I think she picked it. I mean, I will say I was shocked because, yeah, at night one, he just seemed so humorous and easy going. But she did say she saw herself in him, and they had a lot of similar tendencies of you know, kind of resorting to humor when things aren't always going their way or as planned or if things get tough. So I think that's why she did choose him. And yes, it was definitely for the first week and the first one on one it was heavy. I feel like the things that they talked about and admitted to each other and opened up about our things that we don't see and tell right like a second date maybe you know, like even closer to hometowns. I would say it was a lot and so but I really enjoyed Jason. He pleasantly surprised me. He was able to do what she was asking together without I think getting awkward or shutting it down. So I feel like they were a good team. I loved the fact that they burned the dress. Yeah, I wanted to be there, right there with them. I still have my dress from the Bachelor season when I got engaged to, and it's just sitting there and I'm like, I should have been there. Can I just like have extra love your dress that you got engaged to. Yeah, listen, nothing but a word. I'll come over tonight and we can burn that sucker. Yeah, no, we should. Somebody actually DMed me like last year and she was getting married for a second time and wanted a black dress for the wedding and she's like, can I have it? I'm like, I don't think you want that, Juju, Like, I don't think you want to watch out the aisle with this dress. And so but I'm all I'm all for. I've talked about this many times, like in the past with my with my girlfriend's back Minnesota, we've had burn parties when people break up with somebody, and so that this is my kind of dates. Do it. Let's do it. I love it. We'll plant to be continued, you guys, we will document on the socials. But back to Jason and Claire. What I just like, kind of like piggybacking on what you said. What I loved is that Jason wasn't afraid to tell or maybe he was, but he powered through that to tell Claire some of the things like using where it's like manipulative and selfish and unable to love how people have described him, and he trusted her with that, and then she didn't break that trust, like he didn't scare her by telling her those things. And I thought it was a really beautiful moment between the two. And even if Claire doesn't pick Jason at the end of this, I think that Jason can always look at that moment and say, you know what, I don't have to be afraid to tell women you know some of the scary things, because the right one won't run away from it. I just I loved that that whole moment once again, and kudos on a great date. It was meaningful and I feel like that's a lot of what we're seeing in these these episodes. Like this episode particularly, we saw deep, rich conversations and vagination is always saying we don't have anything to talk about, and that might be true over these last couple of seasons, but you cannot say that about Claire's season, right, And we'll get to that when that we saw that happen in this episode, m M. And maybe chalk it up to and I don't even want to say because Claire's older. I think she just is mature. She's lived life, she knows what she wants, and so are these guys. They're a little bit older. And so I love the depth that we're seeing. I feel like it's something that we haven't really had much in the past couple of seasons, and so it's so refreshing to see. It's so funny we pivot from this very heavy, deep, you know, connective date to strip dodgeball. It's called a balance, right, Like that was a little heavy for us. That was a lot. There was screaming, there was burning, there was you know, like the breaking of the tablets. So we needed to lighten the mood and for this we thank you. I thank you for the shrimp dodgeball. So we see the Blue team just get demolished by the Red team. And what I also loved about this is that Claire was like, Nope, I'm setting the rules and this is what I want because this is what you see. And I know, I know people are going to have their opinions on the fact we're gonna have some Yosef's in the room. We'll just put it that way. You know, you're either a Claire or a Yosef in this situation. And I love what Claire did. I thought it was it was her decision. It was empowering. She set her own roles. If you didn't want to play by them, you didn't have to. We all have a choice here, and I love that the guys were just like having fun with it. It wasn't to me. And because I really want to hit on this because I feel like it's going to be an issue. It was jest and I didn't really see it sexualized in a way that I know, like in the way that Joseph talked about it or being humiliating. It wasn't that way. And I'm curious as to your thought. Yeah, No, it was all in good fun. I never got I never got cringey like. It never to me was borderline like this is inappropriate. I think the guys were laughing, having fun. Claire and Chris were laughing having fun. I mean like they weren't fully naked. They had these little what like, yeah, they were strapped. They were strapped in you know. And there were and there were black boxes for all the viewers at home, the kids maybe watching. Maybe this one will be rated TV fourteen maybe an m A. I don't know, I do it. That were late. I did want to see more. I did like the black boxes. I wanted to see the box. I wanted to see what we're working with. A friend you not a girl? I think it was who was? She talked about Kenny when she was like just look at his butt and Chris just looks and I'm like, who're yousuming on this one little bit? Poor Chris. He should add on sunglasses or something like, talk about I know he hated. This worst group date ever for Chris Harrison that one think of what he's been subjected to. He has to watch all of these men blindfold them and slowly essentially touched Claire, and then on the flip side, half these men have to strip down to their little skivvies and hey, guarantee you Chris, if you ever need somebody at a host for the next season of the bab shout for dates like this, you know who to call? This is yeah, this is where you call in the sub you tag team, you get out of there, because I guarantee you he's in contract negotiations after this season. Karen t it okay, So we all had We definitely all had a good time on that group date, but there were some people who didn't. You know, when the losers went home, which can I just say really quickly that I appreciate it that finally the franchise acknowledges the winners of the group date and doesn't let everybody go on the group date. I felt victim of that. I understood Cristel when she was upset about that. It was nice to see the losers go home. So they go home and they calls a big star, not a big star, a star with one person, and that was Joseph, who was clearly upset. Oh, no, two of them, because Blake, Blake, Blake. It's like a sad little puppy. It's it's like but it's but I but no, like it's here for the wrong reasons. Was a person, it would be Brandon and we'll we'll get to that. But if here for the right reasons was a person, it would be Canadian Blake. And I appreciate about him, so his feelings are clearly heard. Love that they made him do the interview naked. Oh yeah, it's a strap on back right. Shout out to the producer behind the camera for that. That was really funny to see. So we get to the cocktail party and the men are very grateful because it's a limited number of men, so they're happy about the time that they're going to get to spend with Claire uninterrupted by the other However, many men went home on the date. Six seven men, all right, and then we see we see Blake, Canadian Blake crash the date. I called it. I knew what was going to happen when they were showing the guys meander home and they were walking naked, looking all bummed. I knew because from last week when Claire talked about him breaking the rules, I had this famous like he's gonna he's gonna crash the cocktail party tonight. I was completely lost. Good job, Becca, I didn't see it at all, but he crashes and it looks like it really crashed on him. Right, Claire didn't seem like she seemed caught off guard. She seemed uncomfortable. She really didn't seem like. It was really cringeworthy, especially when he went in for the kiss, like he really tried to go all like and Claire's stiff armed him. I mean, I was shocked, I thought, Mike, I'm honestly surprised he didn't just leave that date, hop in the Cadillac and go home. Oh he was shaking it, he was. He was so sure he was going home. What hope did he have after that? All? Right? Then we see Brandon, somebody I thought was a front runner and all of this, and was so shocked. Then he started to look like me from Calfish to me as the date continued to go on. It was weird. I never saw that before us on need So we get to Brandon money here for the wrong reasons, here for the wrong reasons. If it was a person, yikes, you take on Brandon, I just don't understand, like, you know, regardless on how much you know about the lead, like, you still can talk more about them than just their looks, regardless of who it is. And he falls so short. He was like already buried underneath the ground, Like I just I don't understand it, Like you are a man, like you clearly made it this far, Like you went through casting talking to people about being on the Bachelort So like why would you sat down with Claire and she asks you why you're here and he just goes, well, you're a beautiful woman. It's like, I'm glad she sent him home. I was sitting there thinking this is so cringeworthy and he could do so much better than this. This is what happens when you're attractive and you don't have to put any effort in with women because they always come to you. That was his He just tells people what they want to hear. They don't challenge him on that. That's what I love about Claire, and I feel like that's what we're going to continue to see. Claire's like, you know what, I know who I am, and I'm calling you on the BS. Yeah, he deserved no chances. It was very matter of fact. Claire wasted no time and I love she didn't skip a beat. She sent him home. After that, it was the worst, but also so like for Claire, it was a power move for him it was like bru like go home with your tail tucked in between your legs. And honestly, though, I don't think the guys were shocked. And that's the thing. It's like maybe maybe that's just him, Like like you said, he's just used to kind of sitting back, like good looking, not putting in much effort. And yeah he's gotten good rings. He's the one. He's be Money, right. We had so much hope for him when we were going through bios. Now I think so, and now be Money sounds cringe. Yeah, like he's a cringe e dude. Now I know. I know exactly the type of man he is the way that they're portraying Bennett, I believe with the scarf and the rolls Royce and all of that, that's probably really Brandon and Bennett's like just like a fun loving guy, which is why they can joke with him about that. I mean, talk about a wet towel personality, nothing to offer, and then to say to Claire, can we not talk about that? I do not talk about me like this. This guy is like awful. I wanted to like knock on his face on my screen and be like hello Earth to Brandon. Do you know where they are called the Bachelorette Welcome nothing there, nothing there. Yeah, so rightfully, so he went home. Thank god, he didn't make it another second minute rose ceremony on this show. So the group date ends, we see her talk to the guys and she ends up giving the rose to Chasen, and then basically it ends, we see them go away to the final cocktail party. We obviously did not have a rose ceremony, but she did give Blake the rose to keep him safe because, like I said, he was shaking in his boots. He was convinced he was going home. One thing that stuck out to me in the versation between Claire and Blake when she said, I appreciate you kind of breaking the rules. You know, you've reached out to me before the season starts, and I appreciated that. I appreciate you making the effort now to come see me. Just don't make it and every night thing which I like, Like she said, the boundaries. That's all she had to say. She didn't have to go into it more. And so I think she's very good about setting boundaries with these men and being very articulate about what she likes and what she's looking for, but you know, don't cross her. I love it. Clara is a boss and that's how I feel after we finish every single episode, like we already knew that, but now the rest of y'all are figuring that out. So I feel like it's that time too. We can only do so much when we're observing from a distance. Tobacca, I feel like it's that time to get that inside scoop that tea. I'm telling you, my pot has been stirring. Okay, you know we've talked to Claire. I was able to interview her with extra and I'm like trying to get all the tea that I can. So I'm happy that for the first time, we're getting the opportunity to talk to somebody from the season who had a front row seat to all this drama, to this season we've never seen before. We've already talked about him, none other than the narrator of Claire's season. Now he's going to come on and narrate this podcast. At this point, let's just turn this show over to easy Welcome. How are you? I am good, I'm excited. Um, I'm in a lovey dovey mood. I will say that I've been listening to some good love jams all day. Why do do what's on your playlist? I'm in my mood, so I've been listening to some Joe to see Oh I love you for life? So you know, Alicia Keys, I've been as the music soul child. I'm in my feelings right now. Easy. Why do I get the feeling that you're always in this lovey dovey mood? Yeah, I am. I'm not gonna buy it. Let's keep you. I have to start out asking you. You are the first official guy from this season to be on our podcast. How does it feel? All right? Really? Yes? And this is the way we want it. I'm honored, okay, all right, yeah, no, this is the way we want it because we were talking about you before you got here, because that's what we do on podcasts. Right, We're talking about you, but in all positive ways because you are the narrator of the season. But what we love is that you are narrating the show. And I feel like the narrator is an underrated role. I don't know if you realize that when you were going through it, but it's a role of someone who's respected on both sides, like in the house and by producers, and it means that like you have a lot to say, like good things to say, good observations. Did you feel that when you were going through the show. I appreciate that, Like I felt that I was just I was just kind of just being me and like the way I kind of lived my life is just with no no filters and no like if I feel something, I say it and if I like, I don't hold anything back. So I think that kind of just was just genuine too, like who I am. But no, I didn't feel that. I didn't feel like I was like the narrator anything like that. But I mean, hopefully it's a good thing. It's great as it's a very good thing. I will say you have And I was telling Rachel this, you have such a good mix of being present and the camera loves you, the audience loves you. I feel like your energy is magnetic through the screen. But you like you're so involved with the guys, but in such a good way, Like you aren't dramatic in a negative way, and so it's very refreshing to watch like you. You don't seem like somebody who I want to say, it's like a camera horn, just like trying to fight and a camera time. Yeah. But how is it watching yourself now back on the big screen? Obviously you lived it, but is it weird watching you? Yeah? No, it's it's weird because you you live through these moments and it's almost like every conversation and every day you remember in your mind how it went, and then it's like you relive it and you pick up on the smallest things. I don't know if you guys have seen that too, but like it's just different and and um, I don't know, like even kind of just like the interviews and seeing people's feedback and um, being able to kind of like pick up them like all right, maybe they didn't go over too well, you know, maybe maybe that could have been a little bit better. Um, but no, it's good. What what's better for you? Was it? Is it easier watching it or having lived through it? Um? Having to watch it is is tough. I will say that, like it's it's Um, I don't know, like you you'll see like on the like let's say, like a group that you weren't on, and you'll see like everything that they did, and like all these like little interactions that they had. It's almost like damn, I didn't know what day like that, Like okay, oh like so it's it's it's a different point of view. Um and then um, obviously the good stuff you're you know, you you still get the butter lies and all the stuff that you felt in the moment um. But yeah, watching back, like all the different stuff we didn't get to see is is new. So let's talk about that. I wasn't even going to go there, but but now you just you just open open that open that limo door, open that little door and gave me a step segue, so I'll step into it. So you obviously don't get to see the limo entrances because you know, you do yours and you bounce. Maybe y'all look through a window and see some things going on, but but now you have seen them. Don't you think about Claire's response when Dell walked out the limo. Um, I will say this like it made like every I felt like everything made sense like and um, I've always been one to say that, like if you feel the way you feel, um, and you know it's it's genuine and you it's okay to see somebody and be like I see a future with them. Um but yeah, like everything made sense. I didn't know it was that good. Um but um yeah, she was definitely in her feelings and um you can almost just tell by the way she hugged him. Um. And just like the neck like the neck hugs, like you know when you really wrap your hands around somebody's neck like that that means something. Yeah, that's it, you know, like back neck back like because like I was watching and I was like, I didn't feel anything on my neck, and I thought I had like the neck hug. You know. I do it to Brian all the time. I do Brian all the time. I always grab his neck at the back of his neck. Yeah. No, it's a thing. And I didn't even realize I did that. Damn. Next time I go on a date, i'm gonna have to see if I get the neck hug the net Yeah yeah, but I don't do it. You do it? Men know to do that, You have to do it, Yeah, like you like you're you're supposed like if that's how you know, Like, oh, she was she was feeling it or like if you get like the friend hug with the pat Yeah, but like the boom boom. Yeah you know that's now we are friends. Yeah. Um, question, how did you get on the show? Like what what made you want to do the show? Were you a fan of the show before? We need the details? Yeah, so I actually watched the show before, um in college, just kind of like with my teammates back at A and M football players love it. Yeah and wait Texas and oh Texas, A and M. Come on now about Texas side? Do we have disrespect you on my podcast? Are you from Texas? Yeah? I'm from Allen, Texas. You're from Dallas speaking of Yes, sorry, Like I did not even know this, so Rachel you, Um, I want to say, you know my receiver coach, um d Rob. I felt like yeah, yeah, yeah, I call him twin. That's my twin. Oh my gosh, you call twin. Yes. This is the biggest state, and I feel like it's such a small town. Everyone knows people. It's weird yeah black people, Yeah, it's oh, it really is small, Like it really is a small, even smaller for black people. I feel like not like we're not there. I just feel like there's your your two degrees separation from everyone. It's weird. Yeah, where are you based? So I'm in Newport Beach, Um, so yeah, I'm in. I'm out. Uh yeah, I moved out to Orange County, um randomly, so yeah I'm here. Okay. So before I rudely and no, you rudely interrupted me by talking about Texas A and m oh wow wow. How did you get on the show? Though? Um? Yeah, somebody, somebody from the franchise reached out to me. And at first, like, yeah, because I've watched the show before and I've loved the show and I'm like a crazy, hopeless romantic and I love love stories and all that type of mushy gushy stuff, and so at first I thought somebody was like, you know, like kind of like testing me to see like where I was at. Um. And then like we started talking about you know what I you know, what love is and like what I see and a wife and all that type of stuff, and that's when I was like, it's kind of real, um, and just just kind of having those conversations about you know what I was looking for. Um, that kind of led into a lot of other stuff and it was just right. It was perfect. Um, Anybody that knows me knows that this is like the perfect, um, I guess love story for me. I'm a living the moment type of person and I go with adventures and um doing all this type of stuff. So um, it's perfect. I want to go off of that because you seem obviously living the moment, just such an no pun intended, easy going guy. Intended intended yes, and you just like you know I've said it before, but your energy is just contagious. So for you personally, what was it like living first of all, at this resort that's a thousand degrees with a bunch of other dudes essentially competing for just one woman's heart. How was that for you personally? Oh? Man, it's it was so um. Like I it was somewhat like football, because it's like you have a bunch of like alpha males and a bunch of dudes that are in the same room, living in the same house, and you know, have the same goals or whatever. Um, But it was so different because there's so many different personalities. One thing I appreciated about the show is everybody had like a different viewpoint on like the same thing, and everybody had their way of doing something. Everybody had their way of talking to Claire. Everybody had different things that were specific to them and the competition aspect. At first, I will say it was very chill and like nobody knew really how everything went. And then like it got real, like it amped up a little bit and you had to like really figure out where you're at and really think about the time you're spending and everything that you were doing to make yourself stand out. So you rubbed Claire's feet, It stood out to me. You said where you stand out? And I think and you rubbed Claire's feet, is that your go to move or was like she you saw her maybe lamping or complaining what happened. Yeah, so you gotta be attentive. You know. That's one thing I have learned. You have to pay attention. And so, um, Claire was like it was it was a long day. Like it was like and you guys know how it goes. It's it was just a long day of like a lot of stuff and um we were talking and she was just you know, she was like, oh yo, like I'm I've been standing all day, you know, my my my feet are my feet are killing me. And so you know, I'm just a very like I want you to feel good regardless like whether however I do that is is is a different thing. But I want to go above and beyond to like make you feel um, you know, the way that you deserve. So um, yeah, that was. That was a moment where I just, I don't know, started to get a rubbing, a little rubbing. Hey it hurts nobody. Well, I thought it was great. So this put it down in my notes perfect because you are one way. And then we saw a completely opp sits side to another man, Brandon, who couldn't who did not seem attentive whatsoever, couldn't really hold a conversation with Claire. When you watched his conversation with Claire go down, were you surprised and what was going through your mind when you watched it back? Oh my god, if you need to teach him some pointers, I don't even know where to start. Like so Brandon, all day he was talking about how he wanted to talk to Claire and like he wanted the time, and he wanted to get in there and talk to her, and like even on the date, he like he tried to pull her a couple of times and so he was just very aggressive on that date. And I've always said, like, you have to be who you are first, Like if you're not an aggressive person, don't be aggressive. If you're not like a shy person, don't try to act shy because that's what you think that she likes. And so when so I'm thinking, Okay, well he has something to say to her, like he really needs to get this off of his chest. He's he's gonna go out there and do it. Um. And then when he got his time, like watching his time UM was one thing. But he told us he was like, yeah I did, like I messed up, like Hi, I'm not ready, like I I you know, I I think I ruined that like not ready to be on this show and like date her, not ready, no, like not ready for the moment, not ready to like talk to her and like not ready to to really um go in. And I guess say what he was gonna say was this after he put both feet in his mouth or but like what yeah, this was this was after So this was absolutely oh waits we saw him go home right away. Yeah, he came back and talk to you guys. Yeah, so so he so he was like I think I think I just messed up. We were like, yo, who like messed up? Like what dude, It's okay, Like you know, conversations when you're when you're in this environment, it's tough to um, you know, in the limited amount of time that you have, it's tough to communicate everything you want to communicate. It's it is what it is, um. And so yeah, things might not go as smooth as you want them too, but I mean it's gonna be okay. But um, watch like watching it, Uh, brother, can you can you say something any like? Like it was? It was a train wreck, Like I don't I don't know like where he went wrong, but like I felt like I'm watching I wanted to reach into the screen and like shake them and be like you it's okay, use your words man. Well he did use them. He basically said you're pretty and that's all I know about you. Can we talk about something else? Quote from him, Actually this is why we need easy as a coach to train these men on what to do on being attentive. I was like what like and and what okay? And so jumping on another thing. What I thought was so cool about that too, is like Claire gave him so many chances to correct his mistake, Like she she was like, Okay, maybe he messed up, Like here is an opportunity for you. Okay, was there something that you saw about me? Like maybe I, you know, have these great qualities. Maybe it's you know, I'm ambitious, Maybe it's I, you know, love. People may like what is it about me? And like the fact that he wasn't able to articulate anything, to still say anything, I thought was was shocking. So I mean that was I think he's used to talking about himself well and that's why he couldn't talk about her, even picking apart his body language in that conversation, he sits down, he like kind of leans back, and she's just like she's like pulling anything out of him, and he's just so shut down. I want to ask you this easy from a male perspective, because you're the first guy that we've had on season started. I'll try to represent I'll try to represent well. I feel like you're You're a good one to ask this because for me, it just as a female watching Claire. She's such a powerhouse. She's so inspiring. I love how she she says what she needs to say, but does it in a respectful way. Like I just I'm very inspired by her. And now as a man who was able to witness that firsthand, you know, interact interactions with you and also these other men, what's your take on that? Do you do you have those same feelings when you watch her and and do you have just this most respect for her? Like what's it like as a man watching her? Um? Yeah, I thought it was refreshing, like and that's something that drew me closer to her, because like when she says something, she's not like dancing around anything, and especially especially like let's go back to that that Brandon situation, Like she clearly it wasn't what she wanted and it wasn't the way that she wanted to go or whatever, and like she could have just kept him and been like, Okay, that conversation shucked, but she was like no, like I know what I want and I've been through this before, so um, I'm not not gonna waste your time. I'm I'm just gonna you know, cut it and move on. And so just seeing like that and other things that she's done in the house, UM was was kind of inspiring because like I said, like anybody could just go along with anything and just go along with the script, and she was more of like, I'm gonna I'm gonna make this, uh this journey my own, and I'm gonna play with my roast. Yeah, I think talking about things that sucked, let's talk about yoself. Oh, there is so much that when we have time, so we only have seen and that really I was going to ask you this question. We've seen a piece of it, and it's it's not looking good and we're not liking what we see from him. Anytime I see him on camera, it's not good. Yeah, So I can only imagine what it was like being right there because you guys and and also this is a side question. You guys didn't all live in the same house. You had roommates. Yep, he wasn't your roommate, was he? No? Shout out to Jason, my roommate, my room pregnant man. Okay, yeah, yeah, Jason, he's we we we speak highly of him here on um Okay, but what was he like off camera? Was he just as bad worse? Better? Because you're always going to come out and say he was added it. So yeah, the thing about Joseph. Is there was there was definitely red flags with Joseph. And I'll say that, like and everybody kind of picked up on it, like just the way he talked to people, um, and just the way he kind of acted around the house. UM. But I don't know if I was just naive or I just I believe in Um. You know, there's all there's good in everybody, and it just you know, some people are maybe not comfortable in an environment, um, and maybe they just act different because you know, he had a situation with his daughter where he was missing her, and so it's like I gave him the benefit of the doubt and like I was like, okay, dude, Like it's okay, but um, yeah, like him talking for Riley, Uh, don't ever do that. Don't talk for the group please, like we're grown men. Um. And then just like him speaking up for the guys that were on the date, Like you weren't on the date, bro, What I was up on his Like how adamant. He wasn't against the state, He wasn't even there, He didn't even witness it. So like did anyone say, hey, chill, you weren't even there, You didn't have to take your shirt and your shorts off. You didn't have to wear the shock strap and run around with your little buns out, with your little buns out. Um. Yeah, It's like, I think it would have been different if you saw like damar or um, Blake um God, damn it Blake um or or anybody just like you know, speak up and be like, no, that wasn't cool. But to have somebody that wasn't on the date, that didn't see the context of anything, and didn't even like you weren't on the date. So how can you like raise an issue something that you're not involved with it? So? Um, I don't know, just little things like that. It's you pick up on and at some point somebody's true character is going to come out, and I think, Um, for him, you're you're kind of seeing that. How did you feel about the Dodgeball date? Because people are split on it and you were there. You played in the game one the games. He was like, oh, yeah, I love Dodgeball. Like, can I just say if there was no way, if I wasn't clare that I would I would have played in the game. Side note, I'm taking a little detour here. I was a pe teacher for a year and yes, every day, okay, every day, no, Lie, we would roll this dice and um, if it landed on dodgeball, we play. If it didn't, we still played every single day. I had those kids playing dodgeball. I was a substitute teacher. I would be terrified as my teacher. Oh my god, why I'm terrified dodgeball? Oh my gosh. No, the girls, sister, I don't know how I had them past their physical fitness test. Like this is Duncanville, so you'll you'll understand what we're talking about, Dallas. This was in Dunkinville. I was a substitue teacher. Okay. Anyways, people are people are split on how they feel about the Dodgeball date. How do you feel being in it? Yeah? Um, like I'll say, like being a competitor and already like like I'm in that mindset of Like we started playing at first, like with Claire and everything. Um, it was it was fun and it was funny games and everything like that. But once Chris Harrison said, like we're playing for extra time with Claire, Like you can see everybody's face like it's game faces, Like we're strategizing, like like Joe is like taking us through like line drills like outside, like Garen is like practicing his run up, like we're practicing strategy and matchups. We're analyzing every single person like Blake has a bum knee, like Kenny's you know, fast or whatever. So we're it gets serious and and so something's on the line. So like that's that kind of ups everything up easy. I'm referring to the nakedness. Yeah, I know, I know, simply we're talking about we're talking about and so when when when Claire, When Claire says that it's stripped dodgeball, that upset a whole another level. And so it's serious, like everybody's like okay, like we're playing for real, and so everybody knew what we were playing for like it was it was okay to everybody, like we all knew like okay, like I'm not gonna lose because I don't. I don't want to let my balls hang right now. That's not what I want to do. And so, um, everybody knew what was going on. And so to everybody on that date, at least at least to me, everybody felt okay with what we were doing. Like we knew what we signed up for, um, and it was all in good fun like it was. I mean, it was plain on my part because I want um. But everything was fine. And then I think it took a turn when when when the guys walked home and all that type of stuff. But um, yeah, like I think everybody that was on that date kind of has the same feelings of like, man, that was funny. That was a crazy date, Like it was like a lot was on the line and it didn't. And I think to kind of what rich is talking about is like it didn't seem overly sexualized, like the men were objects. Like it seems all in good fun and just in good jest. And you know obviously you want to twin. Yeah yeah, like no, I mean listen, I will say Kenny is a sex symbol, Like come on, he's like a block muscle, Like nothing even jiggles or shook on him. Was he on the losing team? Kenny was on the lose, Like it was like this man's Kenny wanted to lose. Kenny wanted to take a shorts off. Yeah, it wasn't really a loss. That's a great question. Can he beat the system? We're gonna lose because like I'm gonna show what I got like goodness? Yeah? Who who loved camera time on this show? Who wanted tools? Always like I'll do a man chat, I'll do an I don't know, I can say easy, I do you have to ask you this though? Who had the best apps? Um, other than doing this selfish? Very selfish? Yes, other than Kenny. Uh oh that's a great question. I would say Brandon. Maybe Brandon, Yeah, I think so. It was on the date. Oh no, but nobody nobody's I mean, it's Kenny. Come on, let's let's let's kendall. Seriously, Yeah, it's it's Kenny. Come on. What you seem to be close to so many of the guys. Is the group chat popping? Um? Yes, like it's yeah, it's it's interesting because it's anytime anything happens, um like or anytime anybody like remembers like one thing, like the group chat like will go off and I have to turn my phone on siglment. But yeah, you know y'all are y'all are chattier than women? Yeah, I know how it goes. That's one thousand percent real. Oh, to be a fly on the wall with all of you men easy. Before we let you go, we have to ask no. Usually we asked like the Rose and Thorn. So what is your best and worst moment from this episode for you? Um? Best and worst? Um? I'd say the best moment would be just that like time that I had with Claire, Um, just because it was more like I felt that we let our our guards down and like all our walls came down and we were just talking as humans. Our first conversation. It was Yeah, it was loose and it was cool and everything like that. But um, obviously there's just so much tension and so much stuff going on that night that I thought that, Um, I don't know. We just had like pretty good moments on the Dodgeball Day U worst woman. I don't know. It's just seeing Claire upset, like and that's that's one thing that always hits home for me because it's like seeing somebody that upset and that hurt by something and not being able to do anything about it is just so I don't know, like that that kills me. So, UM, yeah that's really sweet, But I really do, I really do have one more, one more question. What was it like for you being a black man on Claire season or and just a part of the franchise. Yeah, so it like I'll say this, this season, Um, this season has just been very different. And like I said, like I've watched the show before and so it's been like eye opening, um to be able to be a part of it, because like I've watched it and I've always been like, Okay, that's cool for them, but they don't look like me. So I'm like, I'm never gonna that this like speak to me, and like I'm never going to have that chance or I don't you know, I'm not gonna be in that world or be able to love like that or whatever that is. And so m Rachel, I'll commend you on this too. Like I I've known you before from you know, being the first to do it and like all the all the stuff that you've accomplished and done and like that you're doing now, that's awesome to see, um, people of color like doing great things and like it being highlighted, you know, and like seeing love highlighted in different colors, you know, And so um, for me, I thought it was it was just awesome just to be a part of it and to live it and um, that may be like next year. Years down the road, people are gonna be like, Okay, well Easy looked like me an easy access whatever. So I feel like I can do this or do that, so well said easy. It's everything. This interview was well we thought it would be, and more. You do not disappoint. You have to come back. We'll have to. Yeah, we'll have to have you back please. Oh yeah, yeah, you're in California. M yeah you're oh Becca. You know, I like to keep my Bachelor Nation family small, but I'm so welcoming Easy in. He was. He was fantastic. Yes, it was so good. He's won since I mean since night one. I feel like he was a fan favorite. He's so great to watch and so I'm so happy we had him today. Um, we're definitely gonna have to plan a time when we can get together with him. Oh yeah, just down the road. Absolutely, we definitely will and and I feel like we'll have more great conversations or controversial We'll get more tea, that's for sure. Things that we can't see it on the podcast that will get. But but I do hope to have him on later on just because he's fun to talk to. Um. Yeah, I hope we see more of him, but that is a rap us today, there's obviously more fun to be had. To make sure you guys keep following us each and every week. The show will be Tuesday nights at eight seventh Central on ABC, and next week we pick up with a dramatic rows ceremony, So I can't wait to see what happens with that. Who's staying, who's going? And we also have a spa date. 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