2025 NFL Week 11 Late Games Preview: Rams-Seahawks, Lions-Eagles, Chiefs-Broncos!

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to NFL Daily.

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Speaker 2: I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with Patrick Claybond and Jordan rod Reeg, and we're celebrating the day that, yes, that we can talk about Seahawks, Rams and Eagles, Lions, and also the day that the penny stopped going into you know, being produced in this United States of America.

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Speaker 3: This was it.

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Speaker 2: This was the last day that a penny will ever be made. I've been on that corner for a while. Actually, i was in something called Model Congress. I'm a cool guy, and that was my bill actually back in the mid nineties, was to abolish the penny.

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Speaker 1: Back then, and it finally happened.

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Speaker 4: Was that the news of the day.

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Speaker 1: That was some news.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's unfortunate.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a it's a relic of the past, but it's one that I'm fun.

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Speaker 4: It just seemed like a way children find in parking lists.

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Speaker 1: It just seemed like a waste.

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Speaker 2: And but it was a terrible strategy to have as a bill in a exercise like that, because no one, no one cared.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's like, yes, whatever the.

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Speaker 6: Green put it through like the flattener. Yeah, and have a memento.

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Speaker 5: And I think the reason that I will ultimately, you know, you train kids on model congress and debate because it's better to do that than to teach them revolutionary history.

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Speaker 3: Then they might actually be able to change the world that they live.

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Speaker 2: See Part one with Patrick Hamilton's version too. We're actually gonna have a special extra pod next week which is a full production of Patrick's Hamilton Pod Theater.

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Speaker 3: You're ready on the censors for that one.

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Speaker 5: Yes, a great game in the NFC West, the Seattle Seahawks coming in to get revenge taking on the Los Angeles Rams, who are three point favorites. The over under is forty eight and a half. It is Joe Davis and g Reg on the call. If you're familiar with my MVP conversation, we have multiple players in this game with positive scores.

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Speaker 3: A couple of them don't play. Quarterback Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 5: Wow, how does this one play out the second time around?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I I wonder you know? Does it they get less points though, because it's a four h five Eastern game.

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Speaker 3: You can get the standard amount of points.

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Speaker 2: Like the national audience is watching, Well, this is Broncos Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: Time wise, but this is a contender game.

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Speaker 4: This is reference to the conversation, Yes.

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Speaker 5: The conversation where I am tracking my own version of MVP scoring using judgment from Jordan, Steve and Greg Well.

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold and Stafford were our top two picks when we gave out the awards for half season MVP. And then certainly Jackson Smith and Jigbo has made a strong case you believe that Pookah's in the mix or something.

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Speaker 3: I think I think Pooka does exist.

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Speaker 5: Within the conversation, Okay has had a positive score last week as well, and I did ask Greg if you were providing a positive score to Sam Donald yeah last week, or did those points go after it?

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Speaker 1: I went back and rewatched that game. I'm giving him a positive score.

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Speaker 5: So Donald has the positive score and JSN, who continues to lead the league, has.

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Speaker 2: This positive So we've obviously talked about all the things that have come out of the heavy personnel and throwing out of heavy personnel and everything with both of these teams, and so it's going to be interesting to see how the defenses respond. And I think this matchup in particular since they well know that's how they're winning and this is how we're winning, and this is how we stop it. It'll be really interesting for them how are they going to combat it and what the rest of the league does, because I do think when we look back on this season, this is going to be kind of the dominant storyline, not just this game and these type but these types of offenses. I think about that year when it was New England with the one word play call playing super fast in Aaron Hernanez, and I think of the year where it's Jared Goff and Dick Fangio, you know, and Fangio. And I also think of the year, you know, with that incredible Monday night game Chiefs, you know, and Jared Goff all that like this trend and these two teams are kind of at the very forefront of it, and they have defenses which on paper should be able to at least give problems.

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Speaker 1: To the offenses.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and I'm so glad that you brought that up, because first of all, this this is a game of poetic proportion, honestly, because it has that potential. Whether or not it meets it, fine, but we are going to learn things about offense and about defense from this game that will have a ripple effect across the league. Whether we see it immediately or not, we just will the caliber and quality of the entire team that Mike McDonald has built up in Seattle, including finding a coordinator who is able to run almost the inverse of what his defense is good at defending, and also what Sean McVay and Chrishula and company have built in Los Angeles on offensive defense, again almost inverses of each other, but aligned by the same principles. And I think that Seattle is perfectly perfectly built to defend both of the personnel groupings that the Rams prefer to use. That's eleven personnel, three receivers, one tight end and thirteen personnel, which is three tight ends one receiver. And part of this is because they have a player who I think is one of the most important players of this game, who has had some learning moments this year, but when he's been healthy and return from the early season injury, Nick Ammin Warri is an absolute hinge player for this game. If you'll indulge me, yes, always, the Rams want to make everything look the same a pre snap out of both eleven personnel and thirteen personnel, and they want you to have to guess whether it's run or pass, no matter whether they're in the lighter personnel or the heavier personnel, so that freezes you as a defense if you want to adjust to play heavier in the back seven on defense, they are typically athletic enough in either of those preferred personnels to run past you. And if you want to go lighter nickel to get more speed on the field against the lighter speed personnels, they can run the ball out of eleven personnel, or they can sub into thirteen to get bigger against you. So Nick and mcwara becomes a key figure, even as a rookie safety, who is a perfect match for this defense because you can leave them in as a third safety, a second inside linebacker, or a match slot defender, especially against thirteen personnel passing. He's big enough to defend the run, he's fast enough to cover and big enough to cover tight ends, but fast enough to also cover smaller, faster receivers. And this is first of all, in part why Seattle keeps him on the field for almost every snap since he returned from injury, because he is their.

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Speaker 4: Queen chess piece on the.

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Speaker 6: Field who allows them to be just as multiple as the offense that they are seeing on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 6: It also commands the rest of the defense to play up to their potential, which is significant, perhaps the best in the league right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, in terms of the way I'm doing this because throwing out a heavy personnel in comparing the two teams, the Rams will still be able to run. I don't trust the Seahawks run game at this point, and I'm not exactly sure that Seattle does here, And like the way that this kind of trend will be emulated around the league, Like you don't have the pieces to do it at this level where there's not the way that Donald's playing and the way JSN is playing, and the way Stafford's playing with Davante right now, especially in the red zone, and what Puka could do. There's ways you can to go out there and do similar stuff. But I think what makes this game so interesting is the different ways that the best pieces play despite the way, because I think the Rams could like zig at the zag opportunity here and it's like, oh, throw it on a heavy personnel. It's gonna be a whole lot of Blakecorum as well as Karen in this game where Seattle will be out of that, and it's putting a lot of pressure on saying.

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Speaker 2: I think last week might have been a turning point for the Seahawks running game. We'll see, it wasn't an easy matchup. The Cardinals are a top ten defense in terms of DVOA and they had a thirteen play drive towards the end of that game that was I mean, it was incredible. They just didn't they didn't let Sam darnoald pass the ball. Was the highest run pass ratio of any team in any game all season. Now that was because of the score, but the crazy thing is they were successful throughout the course of the game. It was easily their best running performance of the year. And so can that continue against the defense which has really improved in terms of stopping the run. You're right that that's like kind of the one weakness of these teams for the most part this season has been the running game. But the Seahawks will be without was is it Jake Sundell their center, and that's a big deal for them. Who's gonna miss like two to three weeks. So Olua Timmy comes in and he had some snap problems last week with Darnold and so that's gonna be tricky for them.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: On the other side, it's just how much can the Seahawks speed up Matthew Stafford because his numbers against pressure this year are not great. He is just getting rid of the ball so quickly because he's preserving himself. And this is a defense that has six different players between twenty three and thirty six pressures. It's like you don't know where the pressure is going to come from. And if they can just dominate that matchup Seattle, I think they win this game. They are the number one team in DVA by a decent amount, but the Rams are number two, so they are the best two teams, I believe, just iteest wise, and the numbers will tell you right now.

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Speaker 6: I'm so excited for this game. I'm excited that Greg Olsen's on the call because we're all going to learn something out of this game as well.

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Speaker 4: This is also we can't forget.

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Speaker 6: Sam Donald really wants and has worked for a better passing performance against this almost exact defensive front because the last time that Sam Donald on a different team played this almost exact defensive front. Now with the addition of Punaford to help them, stop the run. They got to him and were relentless, and he probably had one of his worst games and then was chased by that narrative all season since. Has more than shaken off that negative narrative that was attached to him after that game. But he really wants I think he really wants to go out and show his work.

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Speaker 4: I think this is.

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Speaker 6: The most fun offense to come out of the QBAC system in a while. I'm so excited for this game. This is this is my pick. I'm the number one pick, and I am so glad it worked out this way.

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Speaker 4: This is absolutely my pick.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that could be a drop. I'm the number one pick. Now. These two teams I do face off again in Seattle on Thursday Night Football in Week sixteen, So this is gonna These two games I think will really help tell the story, not just have the MVP conversation, but of potentially the number one seed in the NFC.

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Speaker 5: San Clemente High School the Tritons, Sam Darnold coming back down in California that first we played his college football as well. Looking forward to that one. We're also looking forward to the Kansas City chiefs Andy Reid off the by Jordan rod Rig. It is a thing that is frequently discussed. They are three and a half point favorites at the Denver Broncos, who will hope to look better on offense. Forty three and a half is the over under. It's Jim and Tony and Tracy the CBS UNO team. Is it time for the Broncos to have their big offensive output against the good Chiefs defense.

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Speaker 6: I just haven't seen enough consistency from the Broncos offense over the course of the entire season to to fully buy it.

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Speaker 4: And it's it's.

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Speaker 6: Not just Andy Reid coming off of by Steve Spagnolo coming off of a buye.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to draw that straw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's nine and three as a coach of the Chiefs, and then it was really crazy with Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: I think it was eleven and one something like that. So yeah, at all.

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Speaker 2: But it's like, but nine and three is a normal sample size of what Andy Reid has done every season. Might be lower than his average winning percentage. I do want to see what they come out with. I'm disappointed that they didn't trade for Brees Hall. The reporting from Rich Sumini was that they offered a fourth, so they wanted him, and the Jets, to their credit, I think held firm for a three, like why trade brestall at all? But definitely why you know, without getting a better draft pick, and I think they lack a little bit of explosion. They haven't said the Chiefs if Josh Simmons is going to start at left tackle. He returned to the team during the bye week, so I would anticipate that he would be playing. And again, we're not in must win territory, certainly not for the Chiefs, but I think if you want to win the division, they probably have to win this game, because if they didn't, they'd be three back of the Broncos with what seven to play, and then they'd also have three division losses. There's another tiebreaker you're already going to lose. You're not going to win the team tie breaker. You've already lost to the Chargers, so at best you're splitting there. This would be a loss where you at best you're splitting with the Broncos. You would be two and four in the AFC. At some point, the numbers just really start to hurt and you're just aiming moving forward for like a seven seed. This is the type of game where you would expect the best out of the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: That is what I expect to see.

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Speaker 3: And good news for them.

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Speaker 5: Simmons did practice and was a full participant on Wednesday, So there is that. But there's also a chance for this Broncos team, which has not just been like inconsistent total game, it's been inconsistent within plays, but within that inconsistently, see there is the capacity to get yards and have completions and score touchdowns where if you're one of those I'm sick of the Chiefs, folks like Greg.

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Speaker 3: Just drew the path for you.

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Speaker 5: The Broncos could go a huge way to fixing that issue right here in week eleven.

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Speaker 2: Wait, and if you don't want everyone to be so hard on Bonnicks and everyone's like, oh everyone, you know that the Broncos fans, well stop booing the hell out of them, you know. I unless they're booing Sean Payton and the play calling, I don't know who they're doing. They're just booing because because they like gang.

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Speaker 1: Warm, you know, the only way to do it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you guys mentioned Josh Simmons returning. What a front to do that against right Nick.

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Speaker 3: To a Knicks throw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're watching something.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even turn to the left here. Uh oh, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, please check us out, like subscribe.

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Speaker 4: Tough tough look on a screen on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: You know, the weather was rough that night against the Broncos, I mean against the Raiders.

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Speaker 6: Sort of blocked that game from my memory. We got we got some real Al Michael nihilism in that game.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, I was gonna say no comment, But why do I need to say no comment. I Owl's been great, I like, but I want more energy out of that booth.

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Speaker 4: I love when he goes pull on dark Al.

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Speaker 2: You know he needs to get a little more energy from the guy next to him.

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Speaker 4: Hmmm, Well, he could be inspired. They could be inspired.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to get it back to the Broncos front somehow.

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Speaker 4: Now it's it's one of the.

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Speaker 6: Best defenses still with or without Patricks, uertain on the on the field, one of the best defenses in football, and it starts up front with Nick Benito and Jonathan Cooper and how much they're pressuring the quarterback. They're affecting the quarterback at both within the top five of pressure rates in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Right now.

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Speaker 6: It is just tough to get anything done against them. This is a lot of potential for uncomfortable Patrick Mahomes, who still makes magic happen even despite some of that discomfort. It would so help the Chiefs if they could just run the ball and take some of the tea eat out.

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Speaker 4: Of that front.

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Speaker 2: Green Laws really helped their defense so that they lose their tan. But green Law coming back from his injury, he's looked fantastic. I guess I wasn't just counting on that, considering the scope of how serious that injury was. And we've talked about like the Chiefs are back. We've said that a lot, and I think it's true. I think it was a matchup thing against the Bills. Well, this is a great showcase to prove it. It's not going to get any harder than playing in Denver.

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Speaker 5: But I think the Bills put some stuff on tape where personnel wise, the Moncos can do every bit of what Buffalo did to that Bill's offens I mean to the Chiefs offense and crowd the line of Scrimmant keep the short and quick stuff away from Mahomes and forced the Chiefs to show those receivers getting open deep.

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Speaker 4: That market locally is on Chris Jones watch. Now.

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Speaker 6: I'm not participating. I'm just noticing that's a part of that conversation in that market, that.

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Speaker 1: He's not playing well enough.

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Speaker 4: Just just some people just asking some questions about his play.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I feel like he was playing well before the buy at least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not going to be the person who is one of the best defensive tackles that we've seen.

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Speaker 5: There were ten other people on the field when Trevor im back.

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Speaker 6: I'm just noticing. I'm just noticing the conversation, that's all.

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Speaker 3: And that's what we do.

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Speaker 1: That's true, It'll be a much bigger test.

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Speaker 2: I think he said him self up it was like throwing an alley oop off off the backboard to himself and he delivered. And now you got to play a defense with drastically improved four man pass rush where they don't have to send pressure. So that's more of what Vic Vangio wants to do. They might even get Jacry and Bennett. I don't know how big of a factor that will be, but will they play him over a Dori Jackson? JayR Alexander retired since we last talked, and I don't think we detailed that on the show at any point, and that that's too bad for the Eagles and for JayR, who just wasn't wasn't feeling it, and I think he surprised the Eagles. According to Nick Sirianni, but this is such a like a fascinating matchup because they're obviously both Super Bowl contenders. There have been two of the best teams in the NFC now for a couple of years in a row. It's six and three versus seven and two, and yet I think compared to last year, they're both still searching for like that mythical like peak performance, and it's it's gonna be tough to reach it. Nick Sirianni, especially on offense, is getting a little tired with the questions that are that are coming up about his star receiver.

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Speaker 5: Is the third time after a victory where Aja, either social media or in this case on livestream has sort of voiced his displeasure.

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Speaker 1: Is it at all becoming a distraction?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 7: I don't think so. And you can only go from your interactions with with everybody and the way they go about their work on a daily basis that you guys don't can be able that you guys aren't able to see. But you know, no, it's business as usual.

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Speaker 8: You say it was kind of business as usual with AJ. I mean his latest comment, I mean it seems like it's not business as usual. Like how do you kind of reconcile that with him?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, guys, I'm I'm close to being done answering these questions with us.

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Speaker 2: The comments that he's referring to were during a November eleventh, that's Tuesday night Twitch Live stream with streamer Jankie Rondo. I love that USA today is just you know, quoting the streamer Jankie Rondo, where he asked, like, is everything good to aj? Aj was on the stream he said, no, where you've been, it's a it's a bleep show.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, are you paying attention?

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Speaker 2: That the more concerning part for me, Patrick, And you've got your your face covered you you have frustrations. I was earlier in the live stream he said everyone that owns him in fantasy should cut him. And I just want to say, don't don't listen to AJ Brown's fantasy advice.

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Speaker 1: What is frustrating you about this? Patrick?

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Speaker 3: A year ago.

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Speaker 5: They asked AJ Brown what the Eagles needed to work on yep, and he said passing. And since then, everything Aj Brown has said or done, even on the sideline where he's holding a book, has become some sort of news that's worthy of discussion. The Philadelphia Eagles, in case people don't remember, won the Super Bowl. They blew out the Kansas City Chiefs, who were trying to win multiple Super Bowls in a row, including one against them, and they blew them.

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Speaker 1: Out so long ago. Pat Jalen hurts was on.

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Speaker 9: The sideline begging Nick Sirianni to go in and score more points against the Kansas City Chiefs. There was a fourth and six on Monday Night Football with thirty three seconds ago, and Nick Ariana inexplicably decided to.

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Speaker 1: Throw the ball.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and we're talking about AJ Brown on a stream with Jankie. What are we doing as a society. This is so dumb and vapid and empty. It does not matter they won the Super Bowl. We're talking about distractions. Hoisting a trophy is apparently the distraction. He doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: Well, just for clarity, I think he goes more by Rondo, not Jankie, but the full name Yankie.

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Speaker 5: Rondo, Yanky Rondo, but the rough late stage Celtics Rondo.

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Speaker 1: I hope not because he was never Yanky.

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Speaker 6: I only take from all of this is that that moment where Nick Sirianni blinks very hard. If you ever wondered what Greg faces, that is Greg face? Okay, just the feeling you got from watching them, like what are.

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Speaker 3: Y'all trying to do?

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Speaker 5: I don't understand, Like, what's what's the extra insight unless you're just trying to be smarmy and create this thing where it's like every we have to highlight and get the microscope out on every AJ Brown interaction. Yeah, he would like to catch the ball and get yards, but they won the game.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's like a cross section of things. Everything you're saying is true. I mean, the Super Bowl. Who can remember that it was all the way back in February. They don't have recording, fat or anything. But it is a fascinating prop that I think helps to show how complicated football is. And no matter how many times we talk about it, there is something lacking with this regular season Philadelphia Eagles offense that, despite having all the talent in the world, Nick Sirianni, and to your point, I agree, more focus should just be on what is he doing with some of these decisions. To that point, they gave Saquon Barkley and AJ Brown and Dallas s Godter and Lane Johnson and Jordan Mailatta and Jalen Hurts and Devonte Smith top of the market money landon Dickerson. Many of those guys will be in the Hall of Fame someday, and they are making the choice on about a quarter of their third downs to just give up. Let's just run the ball on third and twelve. Let's like not, let's literally not even try. And I don't even know why or what that like. There's just something so strange about why it doesn't that it is fascinating, And.

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Speaker 5: That would be a great question to ask Nick Sirianni instead of asking them the same exact question after we already answered it. Regarding somebody's performance on jenky Rondo's twitch stream, you want to talk about the.

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Speaker 6: Matchup, I wonder, Actually I was curious about that because sometimes play Colors they sequence plays together in packages and groupings. Now, I don't think it is ever great to be so predictable on third and very long that you're going to run the ball as frequently.

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Speaker 4: As they do.

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Speaker 6: But you could also if Devil's advocate, you could also be sequencing it with a fourth down play.

00:24:37
Speaker 2: But they never get to that fourth down exactly, so unsuccessful.

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Speaker 1: One of the times was in the red zone last week.

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Speaker 6: Right, So again, this is part of the problem is banging your head over and over again. This is the Eagles team in a nutshell, banging your head on the same topic over and over and over again and expecting different results. It's the same problems every year, whether it's in the past game and that's not working effectively, or it's to play calling, or it's it's the run game. You know. I think that this this is right for the Lions, who first of all, I want to see both of these offenses reach their actual potential, and I don't think I think we've seen it in fits and starts with both of these teams, but they have so much potential and I would like to see both offenses reach that. I think that the Eagles defense is very close to reaching its full potential, certainly after what they look like last week. And I think that the Lions have reached on defense their full potential, and they are they This is a defense that has the ability to roll and potentially even capitalize in a very interesting and cool way against first of all, the run game and forced Jalen Hurts to pass the ball because the Lions defense is not missing tackles. They're not missing tackles, and what they're trying to do with Saquon Barkley is get them into space and set up mismatches for him.

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Speaker 4: I saw this season.

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Speaker 6: I'm seeing for all of his his great qualities as a top running back. I'm seeing a lot of Saquon Barkley TFLs. I'm seeing a lot of Saquon Barkley brought down on first contact, and yes, he still is capable of these great explosive plays. We want to see the passing game get fixed. The Lions defense may help us out in this, in this effort of wanting to see them pass the ball to a lot of different guys more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're not one hundred percent healthy. That is the biggest problem with the Lions right now. Kirby Joseph's still out of practice. Terry On Arnold suffered at concussion last week. He is not practicing on Wednesday. Generally, that means you're out for the game if you're not practicing on Wednesday after a concussion. I'm sure Ian Hutchinson is I would assumes playing. He didn't practice because of an elbow injury. So we don't know if Kirby Joseph is returning. I don't know if I mentioned that or not. So that's in the secondary. Unfortunately, they could be a little short handed, and it is strength versus strength. Jalen Hurts versus man coverage is awesome. Lions very good in man coverage and then you know Jared Goff. We talk about it pretty much every big game, like second in the league EPA per play clean twentieth against pressure. Can they get that pressure with the four man pass rush? It'll be fast, Yah, believe they can.

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Speaker 6: And will Dan Campbell have his glasses on? These are the questions we should be asking every local market.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, hopefully they got to Lane Johnson and his status before they asked the fifteenth question about aj Brown.

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Speaker 2: Right, because that injury looked like it was going to knock him out for weeks. But Lane Johnson isn't messing around. They are no longer, by the way, allowing Jalen Carter to take any plays off defense. Just about the only defensive tackle in the league who just plays every single snap. Looking forward to that Sunday Night football, We're gonna have to zoom through our Sunday show that can watch some Eagles and Lions. Let's take one final break. We have a trio of games to wrap up our Week eleven slate.

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Speaker 2: Back on NFL Daily, we're hitting the home streat. You know if it's it, it's an eight hundred meters dash.

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Speaker 1: We we just hit that. We just hit the corner.

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Speaker 4: Patrick doing his part to break up the monotony.

00:28:33
Speaker 1: Sorry everybody, Yeah, how are we doing? Eric?

00:28:36
Speaker 2: I forgot to throw it to a Dan Campbell sound during the last break.

00:28:40
Speaker 6: Never apologize, Patrick, You I love when you rant.

00:28:44
Speaker 4: It's the best.

00:28:45
Speaker 1: It was great.

00:28:47
Speaker 2: We're pretty deep into this show. How has it been too monotonous?

00:28:51
Speaker 3: Eric?

00:28:52
Speaker 1: How are we doing?

00:28:53
Speaker 6: No?

00:28:53
Speaker 1: You get Patrick screaming about stuff?

00:28:55
Speaker 5: Great, that's too many screams, indexing too highly on screams. So I was going to base everything out and go to a very comfortable.

00:29:04
Speaker 3: Kyle Shuden started.

00:29:07
Speaker 5: Who's forty nine ers are a three point favorite. We still don't know. Wow with a quarterback, it's going to be in perpetually a question mark. At the Arizona Cardinals, where we do know it's Jacoby Brissett, Kevin Coogler and Darryl Moose Johnston on the call, Jordan rod rig another chance for the Cardinals to look good and lose.

00:29:24
Speaker 4: Ah, I think you've said it all Patrick now.

00:29:30
Speaker 6: I mean, it's going to be tough to deal this with this offense coming off of what just happened to them, and poor Jacoby Brissette. Seattle came after him right away, obviously turned the ball over a couple of times. And now they're also going to be without Marvin Harrison Junior, who very surprising news on Wednesday. He's out because he had to have appendix surgery. So definitely not going to be on the field this week.

00:29:57
Speaker 2: No, it sounds like that's at least going to be a one week absence for Marvin Harrison Junior.

00:30:03
Speaker 1: So like that's the bad news.

00:30:04
Speaker 2: The good news is his father won't have to watch their offense this week. He can just go go golfing or something. Jay Jones also tore his achilles last week, so feel really bad for Zay Jones. And he added some depth to that group two. And in the end, like ownership, I don't think is gonna give Gannon a huge pass for all the reasons why this is happening, Like he needs to make this work.

00:30:30
Speaker 1: They're zero to three in the division.

00:30:32
Speaker 2: For instance, we were talking about division record, like if you can't beat the forty nine ers at home, it's a brutal division. But you were kind of hired as the defensive guy who could help solve the offenses. And they all have similarities in this division. If you can't be that guy, what are you doing here? And Brock Purdy is planning to have quote an aggressive practice with the goal of starting Sunday according to Kyle Shanny.

00:31:03
Speaker 6: Yeah, always notoriously tells the truth, but it's true.

00:31:07
Speaker 5: I mean, why would add in quarterback he's had the hopes of starting Sunday every single week?

00:31:12
Speaker 3: Right?

00:31:12
Speaker 2: I don't think so though, based on how Kyle's presented it. By Wednesday, they've kind of indicated that it's probably going to be mac Jones, whereas that quote would indicate it's probably going to be Rock Purty, or at least that's their hope this week that we could see the return of Brock Purty, and Uh, I for one, I'm looking forward to I kind of like, you know, okay, here's I think you want to see. Here's the thing. It's almost like Drake May's season. It's what happened to mac Jones over the last seven ory weeks.

00:31:42
Speaker 1: It's not gonna any better than that.

00:31:43
Speaker 2: Let's just let's just take him out with a couple of innings to spare and bring in Rokie, you know what I mean, Like he's getting tired. It's only going to get worse from here for mac Jones. So let's put in Rock Purty before it all goes to hell. And uh, they're still right in they have a great schedule to make the playoffs. I think the forty nine ers still have a better chance to make the playoffs than maybe the average person.

00:32:09
Speaker 6: One of the big things that could really be conjoined with Rock Purty's return is also getting Ricky Piersoll back. He's expected to practice this week, and that's huge because he looked like an absolute number one receiver when he was healthy. They were poised to make him that all through training camp, his rapport with Brock Purty and this offense with George Kittle doing remarkable things last week, and them still losing because they just are so injured everywhere and including on their defense, which is just the walking wounded at this point. They need to score points. They need to create explosive plays, to stay in their A plus game plan the entire game as long as they can, and keep a lead as long as they can in a game and try to avoid a having to play from behind and be putting too much on the shoulders of this defense that is so in battled at this point, and having your a number one explosive playmaker like Ricky piersoll back with the quarterback who worked all spring and summer and fall with him, that would go a long way for this forty nine.

00:33:16
Speaker 5: Ers team, a long way to I think, give perhaps more opportunities to Brian Robinson jor Hey in the run game, not to necessarily take carries away from CMC, but to deploy CMC more where you would like to deploy him in the passing gaming.

00:33:36
Speaker 3: And give him a break in the run game.

00:33:38
Speaker 5: Because we see, we see the explosiveness that Christian can provide where I I don't necessarily think it's it's close in this one. I would have the forty nine Ers easily in a game where they can get the seven and four, and you know, kind of have the Cardinals where I think maybe they should.

00:33:58
Speaker 2: I think this is a good Cardinals defense still, and I think Jacoby against a team that doesn't really have much of a pass rush, has a shot. So I would expect another one of those close Cardinals games. Is it is surprising to me neither of these teams run the ball well. I mean that the Cardinals are down to twenty eighth in DVOA in terms of running, but the forty nine Ers are much better.

00:34:18
Speaker 6: They need a really big game from guys like Tatum Bethune, for example, because this is going to be all Trey McBride through the middle of the field all day.

00:34:26
Speaker 4: For Jacoby Brissett.

00:34:28
Speaker 6: So up to and Stout really love him as a player. He is too small of a human to be defending a tight end in the slot, and so you really need a big game from your inside linebackers and support safeties and all of that against Trey McBride. This could be a I don't do fantasy football. This could be a big Tray McBride.

00:34:48
Speaker 4: Fantasy game and still the San Francisco forty nine ers win.

00:34:52
Speaker 5: At those point, they all are. Drey McBride has had five touchdowns in four games. Which with Kobe Brissette in the previous twenty one game. Yeah, with Kyler Murray.

00:35:02
Speaker 6: He's been posting about him in his Instagram story also which trope alert. I know, but like you know, when Jacoby was named the starter, there's a post of him lifting him up after they scored a touchdown.

00:35:12
Speaker 4: He's very productive.

00:35:13
Speaker 2: Speaking of you know, fantasy that Pierce I was available in my local ten year old oh kids league. So I mean just take a look. Maybe someone snoozed and let go of him to her.

00:35:24
Speaker 4: Do you want to change how you present that information?

00:35:26
Speaker 1: I mean people, people get it.

00:35:29
Speaker 5: The Baltimore Ravens are seven and a half point favorites against Dylan Gabriel Bernow and the Cleveland Browns. The over unders thirty nine and a half. Andrew Catalan, Charles Davis, and Jason mccordy. They're on the call, Greg Rosenthal, Yes, is this the final start for Dylan game?

00:35:47
Speaker 1: Okay?

00:35:48
Speaker 2: I saw Stefanski was like, Dylan knows he's got to be more accurate and hit some of those throws that were there.

00:35:52
Speaker 1: We know that.

00:35:53
Speaker 2: Just you're getting mad about uh Nick Sirianni trying to throw people off the scent or answering questions about something that doesn't matter. Yes, Dylan Gabriel is not a good NFL starting quarterback. I don't think it matters who is starting at quarterback for this team. You might as well see sir at some point whatever. This offensive line is truly terrible. These two tackles are worse at playing tackle, I think, and that includes unfortunately Conklin who's been around a long time. Then Dylan Gabriel is at playing quarterback. This was the most expensive offense in the NFL last year. They are paying Wyatt Teller and Buttonio and Djoku money big money into next year. That's already dead money, assuming they're not even going to be back on the team because of Watson and everything.

00:36:39
Speaker 1: But this, this is what Andrew.

00:36:41
Speaker 2: Berry has rot and I feel like he's gotten such a pass and I do think these are the final days of Kevin Stefanski. When Dan Orlovsky was on ESPN, saying that he thinks Stefanski would be a good choice for Jackson Dart and the Giants.

00:37:00
Speaker 1: I mean, alarm bell started going off for me.

00:37:01
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, like, I don't know what's going on here, what agent or who's pushing different agendas, But I do think conventional wisdom is now on the side of like, Stefanski is not gonna survive this season.

00:37:14
Speaker 6: For the Browns, wasn't a lot of room on that raft when the Titanic went down.

00:37:19
Speaker 2: You know, Jimmy Haslm, their owner, said before the season three and fourteen, isn't gonna work. So he literally is on the record of like what would be a bad record, And that's like what they're on paced for.

00:37:30
Speaker 5: But so many decisions are directly linked to his decision.

00:37:33
Speaker 3: And it's something we talked about with Chris Breer.

00:37:36
Speaker 5: Where you get a job, you get a great job, whether it's writing at the Athletic, whether it's being on the NFL network, working for NFL Media.

00:37:43
Speaker 3: Where your job is to keep your job.

00:37:45
Speaker 5: And if the big boss says I would like to do this, and then you do this, it seems weird for the big boss to be like, ah, you did this. You're fired where now it would be weird for the Big Boss to do that, but the Big Boss is the Big Boss, so they could do whatever they're.

00:37:59
Speaker 2: The craziest with this game is that this is the sixth straight matchup that the Browns have had a different quarterback against the Ravens. It's just that is that is insane. Let's talk Ravens very quickly before we moved on from this car.

00:38:11
Speaker 6: Did mispractice to start the week with the sore knee? Yes, something small to keep an eye on.

00:38:15
Speaker 2: Harbaugh said he expects him back on Thursday, and then he expects he'll play, although we did hear similar ish things when he was struggling through an injury previously this year. I do think Lamar's, you know, the way that the integrate him running the ball. He's running the ball less than he's ever run the ball. And so I've got a fever and the only prescription for it is more Keaton Mitchell. Oh my god, that's that's what can help solve this Raven's running game.

00:38:43
Speaker 1: If Lamar is not going to run again.

00:38:44
Speaker 4: Only did the accent feel like you can pull it off?

00:38:47
Speaker 1: I don't need to just give me some more Keaton Mitchell. That kid looks awesome.

00:38:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, last last two games at least seven point four a lot of his last three games seven point four yards per carrying ten yards per carry for Keaton Mitchell.

00:38:58
Speaker 3: And there was Justice Hill only had one carry last week.

00:39:01
Speaker 5: It was the touchdown that he got where I don't know what what.

00:39:06
Speaker 3: Happened there to get like gold Line back Justice Hill.

00:39:09
Speaker 2: But they're not all the way back and this matchup could point that out because they're like, that's why you need Keaton Mitchell. I think it is because their guards aren't that good and Derrick Henry needs a little lane to go through. Keaton Mitchell is explosive enough that you might just get him creating plays on his own or you know, making getting through a hole quicker than a Derrek Henry would. Rashad batemans hurt. He has an ankle sprain that might keep him out this week. Isaiah likely has I mean no production this year, neither is Bateman. Like they are all the way back, and I think this will be an interesting matchup to watch, at least when the Ravens have that's.

00:39:46
Speaker 3: It interesting they get they get in the end zone. A couple of times.

00:39:51
Speaker 5: Here's here's one thing, fourth and one, Mark Andrews under center in the push formation.

00:39:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like to see that for the remainder.

00:39:59
Speaker 4: I love that.

00:40:00
Speaker 5: Yes, the opportunity, the options out of it. Tossing it to Lamar you still got passing options there. You sneak it with Mark Andrews. Considering the way things have gone on fourth and one earlier in the season, I would like it every time.

00:40:12
Speaker 2: What if we're back it's the playoffs. It's like, uh, it's the moment of the season against the Bills, right against the Bills. Little Mark Andrews redemption. Would I'd be a little worried though, like I would.

00:40:30
Speaker 5: Be in tears before the play, before the play. We'll have a chance to see it. We also have a chance to remember the Dallas Cowboys exist. Isn't it fun when people take a break and they come back and it's like, oh, ye, here you are an opportunity to see the Cowboys in prime time once again. Monday Night Football, Dallas three and a half point favorite Jordan against the resurgence Las Vegas Raiders. They've got healthy Brock powers and they're moving the ball now occasionally those really good defense last week.

00:40:59
Speaker 3: How do you see this?

00:41:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think ever since Brock Bauers came back.

00:41:03
Speaker 6: It's amazing what having one of the best players in the entire NFL can do for your offense and for your quarterback, to get your quarterback back on track. Also, Chip Kelly, your favorite coach in the entire world. Patrick showing a little bit of flexibility and getting pointedly mentioned by Pete Carroll and seemingly every press conference at this point. We'll see if that continues. I have loved this Dallas offense all season. I still love this Dallas offense. What I'm really really interested in. And they've been through the worst couple of weeks as a group, and that you can imagine. And I am glad that somebody with the I think emotional intelligence that Brian Schottenheimer has is leading this group through the tragedy of Marshaw Neeland's passing. And I'm not going to sit here and do the thing that sports does where it's like, you know, turn it into this or that or whatever in a vacuum.

00:42:12
Speaker 4: I am curious to.

00:42:13
Speaker 6: See how this Cowboys ebafulu sled defense adjusts from the absolute fiasco that they were earlier in the season and overall, I know this is going to be an incredibly emotional game for every Dallas Cowboys coach, player, support staff, front office member. My heart goes out to him, and like I said, I'm glad Brian Schottenheimer is the one in charge over there.

00:42:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:42:35
Speaker 1: I think that's well said.

00:42:36
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the most impressive things about Schottenheimer and why I thought he could be the right guy to lead this team in general, beyond you know, the offense, which which has had its moments, although you know, struggled a little bit the last couple of weeks.

00:42:52
Speaker 1: I do.

00:42:54
Speaker 2: I do struggle with that because they're going to put a lot onto this game and it is going to be emotional to be out there for the first time, like without without marsh on neland especially the way that they've happened. But I have been I guess impressed is the wrong word, but just heartened to like hear how openly so many of the different players have spoken about it and have spoken about mental health.

00:43:16
Speaker 1: I thought Michael Parsons's.

00:43:17
Speaker 2: Ex teammate was was beautiful on that too. And Yeah, it's it's one of those games that like it doesn't feel like it's gonna like have a big impact on the playoff race or anything like that. And yet I think it's gonna be like really meaningful for these young men and the older you know men and women that are in the organization too, to just have a moment together and they've been back together. It's such you know, strange timing too, because it was when the team was all apart from them, and so they've been back together this week and they've spoken a lot about that.

00:43:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, we see teams and players deal with personal loss all the time, and that's the thing when you you suffer a big loss and you take a second away and you notice the world is still spinning and everybody's going about their business. But now they're all doing it together and they have to work through that with all the people who are experiencing that, and I think like we.

00:44:18
Speaker 3: Subtract that element.

00:44:20
Speaker 5: We talk about all these things that don't matter and distractions, like this is one where it's going to be on everybody's mind and an opportunity for them to see how they perform in the game at work where you kind of take a step back and think of the perspective is like this is all this stuff doesn't really matter in comparison to that. But but yeah, you guys mentioned with Seaten Humber, and I think what this group of veterans that's gone through a lot, a lot of guys that have seen a lot of coaches, seen a lot of turnover. They've they've had great games, They've they've also had horrible games.

00:44:57
Speaker 3: And you know, the matchup to get get back.

00:45:00
Speaker 5: To football is a winnable one, an exceedingly winnable one against the Raiders team that also hasn't lived up to the expectation that we have.

00:45:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that.

00:45:09
Speaker 2: I mean think about Dak Prescott too that Yeah, he dealt with it too on a personal level. And yeah, before we leave, it does occur to me. I read this book this year called it's called Things in Nature Merely Grow. It's by Ye Young Lee, who's one of my favorite novelists, I would say the last like ten years. And she lost her sons to suicide, which is a crazy thing to happen to a parent. Anyways, it I'll just say that if even three people or one person out here listening is interested in that, it's like nominated for a National Book Award.

00:45:40
Speaker 3: I believe it.

00:45:41
Speaker 2: It's like a finalist right now. But it reframed how I think about suicide in general, as someone that is living on past.

00:45:51
Speaker 1: The people that you love.

00:45:52
Speaker 2: So obviously it's more than football, Raiders and Cowboys.

00:45:56
Speaker 1: But we will be watching on Monday night. And that's it.

00:46:00
Speaker 2: We got to the end of the week eleven slate. Here, we did it. We are past the halfway point.

00:46:08
Speaker 3: We've made it.

00:46:09
Speaker 5: I was I was wondering, should I should I create a graphical representation boring for the conversation guys.

00:46:15
Speaker 1: I think so for people to track love on Blue.

00:46:19
Speaker 5: Sky, maybe I'll make it like a red account and on the NFL Daily pods up Reddit.

00:46:24
Speaker 2: And who is leading right now? I mean that's you're holding out from us.

00:46:27
Speaker 3: No, it's Stafford.

00:46:28
Speaker 5: Okay, I feel like I said that it's Stafford far and away because he gets his lifetime achievement points. But he's got he's got some folks chasing, including the guy that they traded to get, Matthew Stafford and one mister golf mm hmmmm.

00:46:42
Speaker 3: Okay.

00:46:43
Speaker 4: We'll be watching and poetry my friends will.

00:46:46
Speaker 2: Be publishing too, because that's what we do here at NFL Daily we put out shows and the next show that you will hear will be a Thursday night recap little Jets and Jets and Patriots, and you know, Shookie and I we come up with something a little extra, a little Land yap to throw.

00:47:05
Speaker 1: In there as well, just makes it a little special. We will see you then. Appreciate y'all.

00:47:15
Speaker 6: H