2025 Week 10 Late and Primetime Games Preview

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're ready to listen to Joe Buck and Troy Aikman on one of the games of the year. We've been needing a good primetime game lately. I know we had Packers Steelers, but like I just feel like they've been wanting.

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Speaker 2: Yea, and we want we want football, and we want you to listen to the best of NFL because if you're listening to us and you didn't hear the first half of the show, you could have heard stuff.

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Speaker 1: Like this, Booty is is massive? Is that really what I sound like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Gret, Greg, I regret to inform you to hear that again, Booty is is massive.

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Speaker 1: I mean it didn't lie. Well.

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Speaker 2: My favorite part of the audio was you said sneakily first. Yeah, where it's like the these Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you know you're not expect but yeah, sometimes it happens, just like, Oh, Moody's massive. Moody is massive. Got all that back in there. Didn't know what's happening.

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Speaker 4: We got all this ahead of us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Greg reference that the Philadelphia Eagles on the road at Green Bay where the Packers just lost to the Carolina Panthers. The Packers favored against the defending Super Bowl champions by two and a half. The over under is forty five and a half. It is Joe, it is Troy and Jordan Rodrigue. It's an opportunity for us to see the Philadelphia Eagles after taking a break. It's like all that consternation week in and week out, we're delving through Instagram.

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Speaker 4: The Eagles just disappeared. Now they're back.

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Speaker 3: It's like it never even happened. Patrick Saquon Barkley said, they all got away from each other for a little bit, and hey, guess what. Just like the local media there has been saying all year, Aj Brown did not get traded.

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Speaker 5: Wow, always read the beat writers.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 3: They've got a great group on the ground there in Philadelphia. This game is gonna be good. Packers need to bounce back in a big way. This team is too talented to be playing as inconsistently game over game as it is. And the Eagles, after a break and gathering themselves in a deep breath, we know they're going to come out swing.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what kind of adjustments the Eagles have in store on defense. They're coming off the bye week. They added the cornerbacks Michael Carter, Jaya Alexander, They add, you know, the edge players including Brandon Graham is back in the mix. Jalen Phillips should be available, and just like, how does that work? How are they losing using g had Campbell, who you know wasn't on the field as much. But that might have just been like a one week thing. You learn a lot, as we've said on this show, of how you operate after the buye. And I did think it was noteworthy that without a J. Brown, I thought they had their best game plan of the season in that last win before we last SAP, where they just they were running everything. Finally they were they looked they had a little bit of Atlanta Falcons disease, whereas like they're just doing one thing at a time. And in that game they showed all their different ways that they like to pass the ball, very diverse running game. And if they can bring that to the Packers, I think they'll be up for the fight. It's a tough bat. I think they're gonna do that.

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Speaker 6: I think we're gonna start, you know, Baker Mayfield said, now some real football starts.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see that with the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 6: My big concern for Green Bay is the best tight end in football is out for the season. Tucker Craft is that guy when you talk defensive coordinator here, like he scares them because he can block, he can catch, and he can run after the catch, Like when you hear the comparisons to Gronk, that's what you hear people saying. So not having him really puts a lot of pressure on an inconsistent wide receiver group. And so I think this is gonna change your offense, and I think it's gonna change their running game. And so I like Philadelphia in this game and for now with the Packers, as good as they may be, their defensive front didn't look that great. That might have been a one game aberration, but they're gonna have to tighten it up. And going against it Eagles offensive line that's not been as great.

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Speaker 1: It's been good. It's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 6: But I just think Green Bay offense it's going to have to be restructured a little bit because Musgrave is not and nobody Craft and nobody is like he is that guy right now in the.

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Speaker 2: NFL, and it's a difficult plan to emulate. When you looked at how the Carolina Panthers ran all over Green Bay because it was Rico being because Rigo Dawell is one of the more imaginative runners inside that well said in a while, And he had four yards of carry inside left and inside right and two touchdowns, ran the ball nineteen times on the inside, where we've seen Philadelphia struggle to run on the inside of the got Saquon out on the edge on the first play on the first run of the game against the Giants, but that sustained success hasn't been there. So I'm not even sure that the Eagles run game like as good as it was last year, can duplicate phil what Carolina did in Green Bay. But you know, on the outside where the coverage has been good, you have Aj and DeVante where it's.

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Speaker 4: It's not a similar talent situation.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I like the idea of trading Aron because anybody that's trading for AJ Brown, I.

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Speaker 5: Think we all love the idea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to be better.

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Speaker 1: The idea of it better.

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Speaker 4: Like anybody that wants a J.

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Speaker 2: Brown is you may you're end up playing them in February, yeah, like at some point. So yeah, that's but beyond me that people would think that that was going to happen. But the styles making the fights here, and I still don't know who I'm going to pick.

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Speaker 1: Greg. I don't either because I feel like everyone will be on the Eagles, which you know, I just then think, well, it is a home game for the Packers that they could bounce back. The way they lose in these games are so misdifying, Like they didn't punt last week. That is that is hard to lose a game and only overcore that much, but also just yeah, losing it on downs a couple of times. They I think critical mass hit last week of the Packers running the too much, and it was partly because Greg Olsen said it on the on the broadcast, but also I think I think, yeah, my buddy, I think it's because you watch them and they want to be a great running team and they're just okay, and they're just slow, like they they slow the game down, but you don't want to slow the game down when you're the better team. They take forever. Just like pick it up a little bit, like I think, like make it a little bit more of Jordan Love's show than these thirteen fourteen, fifteen play drives and that's part of it is you know, you're just missing on the throws to Golden. We'll see if he's available. Jaden Reid has been gone so long we kind of forget that he's gone. But he's a really important player for them, and that's part of it. For that fourth down that we nominated for Worst throw of the Year, here were the skill position players on the field. Emmanuel Wilson, Malik Heath, Saveon Williams, Romeo Dobbs, and John Fitzpatrick. I mean that's pretty rough group, Like it's not very talented, so it's not a talented group.

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Speaker 3: I think this might be the game that you've been wanting for Jordan Love honestly, because if you first of all, missing Tuch the QB Island spot, a QB Island game for Jordan, well potentially after two weeks ago had such a defining, incredible game and then last week, you know, the Packers were just not good enough and so okay. So because I think that without having Tucker Craft, who wowed everyone with his yards after the catch running and his ability to just carve out the middle of the field and played incredibly before the injury, also is one of the best blocking attachments to an offensive line in football, and that's part of why they felt so confident running the ball. Luke Musgrave is a more of a pure passing mismatch tight end. So I don't think you're gonna be able to do the plotting run game the way that maybe they had. I do think that you're gonna lean on where you actually have a strength, even minus your your massive Jenga piece in in Tucker Craft, and that is try to formulate and force passing mismatches. And it's tough to do against this Eagle's secondary, but they are more vulnerable than they.

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Speaker 5: Had been last season.

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Speaker 3: And this is going to be really really interesting to me especially, I mean, is this is gonna play? Is this a revenge game? What do we I don't know if he's gonna play.

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Speaker 1: I would assume that they Yeah, I would assume they traded with him, traded him with the idea to have him active on game days and participants.

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Speaker 3: They go out for the coin toss against the Packers, just autonomous, whether.

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Speaker 4: Whether he's supposed to or not.

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Speaker 2: All right, incredible work. I do think we saw some of that frustration trying to be explosive in the run game for Lafleur when saving Williams fumbled and then Lafloor was yelling at him on the sidelin. I think that was the frustration of not being explosive in the run game and then you try to get the ball to save on Williams in the run game and he fumbles.

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Speaker 1: It kind of over the whole Savion Williams thing too. In general, like guys that use as gadget, guys that has diminishing returns. Here's a little news that involves the Packers, by the way, he is visiting Sante Samuel Junior is visiting the Packers, among many other teams, and he's just an interesting player that could be added to the mix. Was quite high on my free agency list based on, you know, his his play, which is a little up and down, but pretty good at a high level. But he had spinal medical fusion surgery this offseason and was finally clear to play this week. And he's visiting the Panthers, Packers, Vikings, forty nine Ers, Bears, and Steelers. I mean, that's I've never heard of a visit list that long time. They won't go that way.

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Speaker 6: They all want to check the medical and see if it fits their personal specs. You know a lot of times, you know, guys will show up and give the diagnostics to a team.

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Speaker 1: They're like that, we want our doctors to check you.

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Speaker 6: Because there are some teams that have we a sleep at night policy, like can we sleep well at night putting a player on the field, And there are other teams that do not. And so I think that's why he's visiting so many teams, and he's probably gonna pick a spot which could be best for him.

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Speaker 3: Or whichever one has the immortal chamber.

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Speaker 5: Right now, I would.

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Speaker 2: Ask like, hey, can I get you guys all in one place, like getting poked and prodded like seven different times, like after sitting on multiple planes, like eh, like I already had bad.

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Speaker 6: That's why team team team teams want to get guys. You have to be poking product three or four times to see how durable that is. That's that is a technique in the combine, Like give me an injured player after he's worked out for three teams, because I want to see how durable that thing is.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, you get good veteran teammates and then you get ones that set you up with incredible segues like chambers, like quarterbacks that play in Southern California. It is Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams steve four and a half point favorites against the team that beat them at their best in so far on Thursday Night Football, the San Francisco forty nine playing host forty nine and a half is the over under Kevin Burkhart and Tom Brady. It is the Fox Uno to see Mac Jones once again jump.

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Speaker 1: Starting for the forty nine ers. How do you see it going? How are the Rams a four and a half point favorite. That's a big number and they've outscored there the teams they've played since playing the forty nine ers eighty four to twenty.

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Speaker 6: I mean fine, but you know, you look at these matchups, Darrenel, do they tend not to go like this? Look, the Rams out played them at so FI, But the giveaways, I mean, some of the punchouts, some of the players who stepped up for the forty nine ers. And Christian McCaffrey has been the bane of the Rams exist is look at his numbers against the Rams, even if he was in Carolina. He like averages about one hundred and fifty combined yards against him in passing and receiving.

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Speaker 4: He carry, he touches the ball.

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Speaker 6: I was looking at this yester year like twenty four times or more against the Rams. They can't find a matchup against him. I know the Niners defense might be you know, banged up. What ever, it plays well against the Rams. I'm not saying the Rams are gonna lose this game. Just four and a half points is a huge number, especially with the Rams great kicking issues that they've had this year.

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Speaker 1: Look, Mac Jones, no no CARDI party for you.

00:12:18
Speaker 3: No thicker, thicker kicker is on the practice squad.

00:12:22
Speaker 1: Oh oh, there we go, competition. Where's the big booty drop? We missed that one? Is massive? There it is there, it is. Look.

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Speaker 6: I like the Rams, which I think whoever wins this game, it can and it can't be the Niners if you're the Rams, because then they swept you, They've got tiebreaker yeah.

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Speaker 5: For you so and they beat Seattle one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I actually like San Francisco in this game, just because the mccaffree factor, whoa.

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Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan's having probably his best year coaching, honestly, and that's saying something considering some of the team, the monster teams that he's that he's coached, and Robert sala is putting on an absolute clinics. You know, they're more and more injured every week, and I think that becomes the biggest threat factor to me, if you're thinking about these matchups between the Rams and the forty nine ers and how strange they can get and how in their own heads the Rams can get against the forty nine ers at times, I just don't think this goes that way.

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Speaker 5: I just this Rams team.

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Speaker 3: On two of three phases offense and defense, is such a wagon. I mean, their offense is just rolling over people, through people, past them in the air. Their offensive line is finally all back together again. Rob Hanstein being back last week was huge. The time to pressure went way up time wise versus quick pressure that sometimes can get to Stafford and enforces that the shorter completions. Phukan Akua's ribs injury is concerning.

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine they have one eye on this game. Obviously that's always going to play physical against the forty. They probably also have one game one eye on next week, which is the Seattle game. Their first time that the two teams have played each other. You really have to manage this correctly if you're Sean McVay and the Rams. And I think part of why they were able to go so heavy personnel twelve personnel, thirteen personnel that oh, I said something, it's finally happened. I freaking leave the building and finally they finally freaking do it. Yeah, And I think that that bodes well for playing a different style of offense as you give Puka maybe a little bit less of a workload.

00:14:35
Speaker 1: It was interesting that they alternated drives between their running backs. Finally doing the thing that they say that they were going to do between s and quorum adds a little more explosion. I just think Stafford versus a team that can't rush the passer, it's it's you're you're almost drying dead if you're the forty nine ers. And they probably will get Bryce Huff back this week, which is a big addition, but they're also losing Michael Williams. He's gone for the season. Not much of a pass rusher there, But like one of the reasons why when I was splitting hairs, I know I made you mad, and I didn't choose Stafford for for MVP was just his numbers clean. I mean, they're they're insane. They he is the best quarterback in the league this year. His numbers versus pressure are actually quite poor. He reminds me a little bit of Tom Brady in his later years. And this is a compliment. He's no longer hanging in quite as much to take those big hits because he's playing the long game and he's just he's just dirt and balls now. And so his numbers yards. If you get this forty nine ers team, they're not going to get pressure on him. I news flash, it's not gonna happen in this game. Well, I think they smoke him.

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Speaker 2: Teams are sitting pressure from depth at the second highest rate against against the Ramfrey Kroons DA products a great You just try to mess with the picture for Matthew Stafford a little bit, but you gotta get it early, uh with Stafford, or else you're in trouble where you've gett in this situation where Devanta Adams is this red zone tight end target tight end involved in the past game too, and so there's there's so many different places where you could say, well, that the history Kyle Shannan figures it out. You know, maybe Common will get the ball punched out on the one inch line again, like it's it's hard based, like using the logical mindset to say that the forty nine ers are going to win this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the inferior division team, they pull off one upset.

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Speaker 4: They don't.

00:16:32
Speaker 1: They don't do it twice they I've seen, We've sure, I know, but it wasn't. And it's many.

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Speaker 5: I think. I think the Rams win.

00:16:40
Speaker 3: But these games get so weird and they feel weird, and being the building all week feels weird.

00:16:45
Speaker 5: It's just like it's every it's everyone's tight.

00:16:48
Speaker 2: Hopefully, hopefully Mac Jones has a standard gait by the end of this game.

00:16:53
Speaker 1: He's not never punched over. He's so so extra with everything. I love it, and I think.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to get to throw the year nomination, right Greg.

00:17:02
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, let's we have. Let's see the deep.

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Speaker 5: I wrote a whole poem about this throw last week.

00:17:08
Speaker 1: Stafford and yeah, if you're on oh.

00:17:10
Speaker 3: Look at his helmet because there's Dvante running the deep dig there's Stafford.

00:17:14
Speaker 5: Who's he looking at? Not you?

00:17:16
Speaker 1: Very similar to the throw in the Super Bowl to Cooper Cup.

00:17:19
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. But but here's the thing. Doing that on a intermediate to deep depth route takes a level of confidence in oneself that not many human bells.

00:17:33
Speaker 2: That's also disrespectful, can be honest, it's thirty yard pass down the field.

00:17:38
Speaker 4: Look the linebacker show.

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Speaker 1: But he did it in the Super Bowl. Wasn't quite as it wasn't this deep, wasn't that deep, but it was pretty deep it was.

00:17:47
Speaker 5: It was it was like a twelve yard pass.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it is disrespectful, but so is every celebration says hold. It's the quarterback version of holding out the ball while you're running towards the end zone. It's just that in a little sizzle to your son. For those linebackers dropped like twenty yards each.

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Speaker 4: You got a runner with DeVante and he just springs it to him.

00:18:06
Speaker 1: When I when I put this game on this morning, yeah no, look at thee I think it's a strong one, so sick and the crazy thing is like it wasn't. I mean, it was the best throw he made all day. But his deep one too was almost as good. He's feeling himself, and I just think the forty nine ers. Look, they're not getting weirdly, they're we talked so much about their rookie class earlier in the season, and now they lost Michael Williams stout there. Nickel has been a little up and down, and the other guys, like the defense, they're not helping, they're not playing, there's injuries. They're just a thin team and they're trying their best. I think the most symbolic play I have I should have made this a Play of the Year nominee is last week with a seventeen point lead. I think it was McCaffrey, might have been Brian Robinson was trying to pick up a short yardage situation. It doesn't look like he's gonna get it. And Mac Jones, who's all disheveled and everything's all met stup and his face is busted. He runs in there and he lowers his shoulder player to push the pile forward, and I'm like, Mac Jones is out there living life. I love it. Football player. That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: So see if mac Jones can do it again against the Los Angeles Rams. It's time for the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's go places, the Pittsburgh Steelers, fresh off of thrashing once again one of the best teams in the AFC, are on the road to Sofi Stadium to take on Herbo and the tackle list Chargers, who are a three point favorite. Forty five and a half is the over under Mike Tarico, Chris collins Worth, the entire gang on NBC. Do you need tackles to beat the Steelers?

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Speaker 1: I think that would be helpful help yes, not a question. Not sure if Bobby Hart who it's crazy, like, oh, I hope we can get Bobby Hart back. He was like literally their fifth tackle and was like, didn't make the best at one point, but he got hurt during last week's game too, so hearing that penning is going to be a tackle and against this team. It's in particular, it's not like the Chargers major in a quick passing game, like despite all these offensive line injuries, like Herbert's back there, he's holding the ball and he's trying to make plays, and he is making plays. I felt bad not listing him in the MVP of conversation because I do think just he is playing as well as any other quarterback, and you just think about him versus Herbig and Wat and high Smith was probably their best edge guy last week. One thing I noticed was a couple of the plays that high Smith and Wat got off. It was because Herbig got doubled, which is a very interesting wrinkle at their stage of development. But it just shows how many weapons they have.

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Speaker 6: But Herb's been you know, a high volagy pressure got for years. I mean, he's a heck of a player. And I think somebody got into Watt in the high Smith and said, this time we start earning your money. Here we got to get Maybe it was Cam Hayward because he was very strong against those guys. The guys getting paid showed up last week. This is this is an intriguing matchup because Arthur Smith would love this because there's a tight end on the Chargers. I'm sure he would love to have on a team at Ronda Gadson Junior. I think he's gonna be the threat for the Chargers in this game. There's got to be some type of quick outlet pass the game. Even though they don't have it. They don't really have a matchup because their edge guys are forward going guys. They don't really have a dude to match up with Gats and so I think he is going to be a factor big time in this game. I like Pittsburgh in this game. I think Aaron Rodgers is starting to play better football. Real just the real interesting storylines in this game. I just want to see Pittsburgh can keep it up. But the Chargers without those offensive tackles, to me, is a significant issue.

00:21:46
Speaker 1: Two unpredictable teams.

00:21:47
Speaker 3: I'm super curious, especially with what the Steelers did to the Colts tackles.

00:21:51
Speaker 5: Like you noted on the on.

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Speaker 3: The The Recap Show this week, Greg, I'm really interested to see if the Steelers play Ronde Gadson the same way they played Tyler Warren and that was pulled Jalen Ramsey back to the deep safety position and mix up your zone pressure to and get that pressure especially on the outsides, to really mix up the quarterback and kind of know where the quarterback is looking. It's really hard to mix up Justin Herbert and obviously he will make plays with his legs. But it is curious because so this Chargers offense being able to funnel through a mismatch tight end the way that the Colts offense is also able to do I'm curious to see if they deploy a similar game plan because that one was so effective to the two to six takeaways.

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Speaker 1: And it does sound like Ramsey's just playing free safety now and not like they said it's going to be permanent. But he said he's there this week and they have injuries. It's easy to forget. They lost to Shawn Elliett, they lost I think Chuck Clark it was, and he's just playing free safety. It is weird that he's essentially playing Minka Fitzpatrick's role like that trades. It seems something, but it's something though he's wanted to do for years.

00:22:59
Speaker 6: Yes, he talks about his affinity for Charles Woodson and making that change and so and.

00:23:03
Speaker 1: Let's be real, like he was not playing well in man coverage, and even last week where they did play you know, the split safeties a lot more, they look different. They still played the Colts more man coverage than any other team had all year because that's what their cornerbacks can do. And I think you look at these matchups for the charges. That's the thing. If he can just if basically, if Justin Herbert can play offensive line for himself by just running around and making it happen, and he had to do it even against the Titans. Then, man, there are mismatches with lad And, with Gadson and with Quinton Johnson, like against the Steeler secondary.

00:23:36
Speaker 2: Well, fortunately for Justin Herbert, he's got one of the best pass protecting running backs in the entire NFL in Camani Videl.

00:23:42
Speaker 4: Yes, back there.

00:23:44
Speaker 2: Where you know he's he's making plays in the past game again, whether catching the ball or blocking for herbal And, I think they're gonna need it's it's gonna be Herbo out on the edge.

00:23:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, make high spur this.

00:23:56
Speaker 2: You have lad And and QJ come back to the ball, and I've got some work the middle and just Justin figure it out. It's going to be quarters of that versus the Steelers kind of plotting their way down the field, scoring a predictable twenty two points.

00:24:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have really gone extreme in terms of the ball coming out of Rogers's hands so quickly and it being short. But I don't think they'll need to throw it that much. That the Chargers are twenty seventh against the run, and so you think of those jumbo packages and Darnel Washington.

00:24:24
Speaker 5: And all the tight end Jalen Warren.

00:24:26
Speaker 1: Jalen Warren like the Chargers are not a good run defense. I'm a little stunned the Chargers are favored yeah by three in this game. My take on the Chargers is that they've actually overachieved quite a bit this year based on what's the real level of where they should be. Yeah, there's no doubt about that.

00:24:47
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:24:48
Speaker 3: My colleague Daniel Popper at The Athletic actually wrote two sentences that I think are really depressing but really well written, where you said the ceiling for this season caved in when.

00:24:58
Speaker 5: Alt was lost for the year.

00:25:00
Speaker 3: Trading for Penning is the equivalent of cleaning up the rubble. It hurts because and yet because bars, But it hurts.

00:25:09
Speaker 1: Because it's Herbert back there. They are a must watch every week, and with the weapons that he has, and you give him a chance in a game where I trust the Chargers coaching just a little bit more than I do the Steelers. Steelers, you never know what you're gonna get. That's true of the games we will talk about after the break. We have almost made it to the end of our Week ten preview.

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00:26:23
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily. Big week in terms of the news, the future of this country getting shaped. But that wasn't the biggest news. The biggest news was that Tom Brady revealed his dog JUNI, was cloned from a previous dog that he owned back in twenty twenty three. And the first thing I thought about when I learned not only did Tom Brady clone his dog, but that he's an investor of the company that cloned his dog. I wanted to hear what Patrick thought about that.

00:26:58
Speaker 4: Well, it's similar thing that you've heard me say.

00:27:01
Speaker 2: Every single time we for some reason find out about Tom Brady's most recent investment, which is, every single time that Tom Brady has money going on in something, it becomes news. And Tom is at the forefront of seemingly every circumstance.

00:27:19
Speaker 1: That I you know, personally, I'm I'm not a money guy. I know, Larry little about everything.

00:27:25
Speaker 2: Every time we find out about some tech thing, it's Tom Brady is there.

00:27:30
Speaker 1: And sometimes it doesn't work too well, and it's a you know.

00:27:33
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a fad, you know, maybe there's a pickleball league coming on, maybe it's some crypto thing, but it seems like it's always Tom Well.

00:27:40
Speaker 1: Like the crypto pickleball ven diagram is just like a circle. It's everyone, it's all together. My bigger thing, though, is, you know you are all dog owners. I believe you're not anymore. I can't take it too okay, but you you you know, I'm just what are your thoughts on you know, you know, what would you clone Tucker your dog?

00:28:01
Speaker 5: Jordan, Well, it wouldn't be Tucker.

00:28:03
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, that's my take. There's only one Tucker. It's my Tucker, and that wouldn't be Tucker.

00:28:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the same exact space where I am, like, in a spiritual sense, I do believe in an individuality, and.

00:28:17
Speaker 3: I believe animals have souls, and yeah, it wouldn't be Tucker.

00:28:21
Speaker 2: And they can't talk and they can't necessarily consent to anything. So it's a lot of the same way I feel about you know, quote unquote AI or plagiarism machines, especially when somebody is no longer with us that they don't have they don't have the ability to say whether or not they want this thing, and so hopefully, you know, Tom's pupp would have wanted this.

00:28:39
Speaker 3: Let the Venn diagram also between people who clone their dogs and chat gptwo users also to a circle and.

00:28:49
Speaker 1: Keep it away from me. So like these last couple of Games of the week, I'm curious if the lines are going to bounce back.

00:28:56
Speaker 2: And we'll see if they If there's a team we expect to bounce back, it is Dan Campbell's Detroit Lions.

00:29:01
Speaker 4: As the oddsmakers feel like they will.

00:29:03
Speaker 2: They are eight and a half point favorites over Marcus Mariota and the Washington Commanders. As we are hoping for a return at some point for Jaden Daniels with that dislocated elbow. The over under is forty nine and a half points. Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma, they're on the call, Jordan as the Lions got beat. They got beat. Dan Campbell acknowledged it. There's any number of places where they could have improved. Do they play better against a defense that's had some issues recently.

00:29:34
Speaker 3: Well, that's putting it lightly, Patrick, because the Washington Commanders came into this season I think a huge concern and question mark on the defensive side of the ball, the oldest defense in the league, and immediately did nothing to soften anyone's fears about them. And now they're banged up. They've got players, you know, they got guys that are hurt. Their linebackers are not playing the way that they expect from from the caliber or the reputation those linebackers. Their plans for some of their players is mystifying to me. Steve tid I know we've talked a lot about that, and I think that the Lions are probably pissed off and they're looking to roll and I think they will.

00:30:12
Speaker 1: I think they have real questions that we aren't going to really get answered in this game because they're just too good. Yeah, but Colton Pouncey, your colleague at the Athletic, had some numbers that supported something that was in my head too, is like eye test wise, they don't quite look the same on offense, and he did have some numbers to back it up that they are sixteenth and explosive play rate, they are twelfth in overall offensive success rate, and their twenty sixth in terms of their rushing success All three of those numbers last year were top two in the league in terms of offense. So they have put up some big scoring numbers. They've had, you know, moments where they've looked, but they haven't been as consistent. And I think it's that interior line. And they also lost Christian Mahogany for a while, maybe not the season, but he's a starter and he's going to be And Taylor Decker is talking about retirement at the end of the year and trying to just fight through one last year and he picked up another injury. He's had a soulder problem that I think might make this his last year. And now he has a knee injury on top of that. Him and Padey Sewol we're both out on Wednesday, out of practice. So just some concerning signs.

00:31:18
Speaker 6: And Taylor Decker is it's kind of like a you know, not Joe not but who who's Roger Saffoo was the Rams a couple of years ago, where he's basically held together by like tape, no power, and so the offensive line has not been as dominant. And remember they lost some guys in the offseason too, but against the Commanders, I mean the command I.

00:31:37
Speaker 1: Mean Marshawn Latimore is out for the season. He wasn't playing great.

00:31:40
Speaker 6: Anyway, They've got nobody to generate pass pressure pressure.

00:31:45
Speaker 1: They went out.

00:31:45
Speaker 6: The players that they signed on the defensive front were run stoppers because they were getting gashed on first down by the run last year. So they wanted to solidify the run and then come up and be creative on second and third and known passing situations when now teams aren't even known passing downs. So this is am or Detroit should have its way putting points on the board in Washington what's stopping anybody?

00:32:05
Speaker 1: Anybody anyway, Joe. We talked about Frankie Louver.

00:32:07
Speaker 6: They're having to use him on the edge to create pressure that's created gaps.

00:32:11
Speaker 1: All over the middle of the defense. In the running passing games.

00:32:14
Speaker 6: It just they're just throwing stuff, you know, out there to see what they can do because of all the beat up personnel they have defensively.

00:32:20
Speaker 3: It's because when you do that with an inside linebacker as frequently as they're doing it with Frankie Luvu, it becomes mathematically appealing for an opposing defensive coordinator to say, Okay, I'm gonna make it so you only have eleven players on the field because you're just gonna waste that guy's rush. You're gonna find a way to get him, tilt the play away from him, or block him up, er chip or do something, and then you're able to say, okay, now, who am I gonna because you only have technically eleven Now in my math, who am I going to target? Who am I going to circle? Who am I going to block out of the play? And a lot of times too, it's been the other linebacker a lot of times they're blocking.

00:32:56
Speaker 1: Which is Bobby Wagner that he's getting doubled and getting.

00:32:59
Speaker 3: Stilled, getting doubled, and he's getting sort of pushed out of the play because again, they have this mathematical advantage and teams are able to key in on these things. And when you have a concern like that in the middle of your defense, you have nothing and real quick.

00:33:15
Speaker 6: Frank you Louvi Well, he is playing this weekend. His hip drop tackle suspension got overturned. He's being fined a hunting grand but he's gonna be able to play this week.

00:33:23
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting the Commanders didn't make any trades at the deadline. There was some reporting that they were talking Debo or von Miller potentially to the Bills. That was from Tim Graham, but that never happened. They could have been sellers. Some of the teams that didn't make any trades I thought were telling, like the forty nine Ers, not trying to trade too hard for anyone who's kind of like maybe they're accepting their fate. The Commanders didn't become sellers, but I think they know where they are for the rest of the Well, you're gonna be talking compensatory draft pick when you there. Look at them, especially with Debo.

00:33:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so it maybe gets a little insight into how they view their roster construction of all the term. Maybe not as much the way they view uh their hopes this season. But you know, if you're watching on YouTube, you saw the Elijah Royo touchdown where it's a similar thing where the Commanders have given up the third most completions on vertical routes all season long, and Jared Golf's been throwing them actually more than he did in the Ben Johnson era where we saw the late touchdown to Jamis and Williams on a vertical route. So maybe the Lions get a chance to work on that, uh, you know, increase that metric and get the explosive plays by you know, maybe Isaac Taslaw get.

00:34:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like to see them.

00:34:38
Speaker 3: I'd like to see them close a game early on because I really want the opportunity to say the offensive coordinator Morton salting away game.

00:34:46
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll leave, I will leave.

00:34:49
Speaker 2: Actually, no, don't go anywhere, Jordan, because we've got another game one, We've got our last game and it's the best team I'll say it in the NFL right now. Playing host to Jacoby Brissett at the Arizona Cardinals. The Seattle Seahawks are six and a half point favorites. It is Kevin Harlan and Trent Green on CBS's wrapping up Greg Where where's the weakness? How can we find the point of injury for NFL teams to compete with what Mike mac has going on in the Pacific Northwest?

00:35:21
Speaker 1: The weakness is that they got to play the unstoppable Jacoby Brissett this week and the Arizona Cardinals very interesting that they named Jacoby Brissett the starter and one day later Kyler Murray goes on injured reserve. Now Murray's been out with that foot injury. No one's questioning that. You know, obviously he's hurt, and there was some reporting. Ian Rapport put it out that you know, sometimes with these foot springs it's a four plus week injury. The thing that's confusing is he's already been out a month. He wasn't put on injured reserve before, so they were hoping it would appear that he would be back within that four week window, and he's been on the practice field for three weeks. Clearly they're playing better offensively. We don't need to repeat all the reasons why. Like with Jacoby Brissett, it's just obvious you can see it. But how it all was being handled, I think it's fair to like wonder what exactly was going on behind the scenes and if Kyler Murray's going to be on the team next year. I thought it was interesting that Gannon said, look, we talked to Kyler, and we talked to a few people before making this decision to putting it on injured reserve. This is like an organizational thing. What's been going on going to Jacoby.

00:36:31
Speaker 4: I think if he wasn't really hurt.

00:36:33
Speaker 6: We hear Kyler Murady talk about it, whether it's social posts, scrubbing, you know, the cardinals from his Instagram or whatever.

00:36:40
Speaker 1: You know, I think he is hurt.

00:36:41
Speaker 6: Maybe they said, okay, maybe he can come back, Maybe he can come back, you know what.

00:36:45
Speaker 1: But now we got another We got another month, so he'll be out almost two months by at that point.

00:36:49
Speaker 6: So let's sit him. Jacoby Brissett's playing well. Marvin Harrison got the ball last game. Everyone talks about like he was getting the ball before. He wasn't getting targeted that much beforehand, even with Jacoby Brissett. But the offense was all on time. I think part of it. They're playing a terrible Cowboys defense. I mean, because here's how misleading some of this stuff is. The twenty seven points that Arizona scored, those are the third fewest points that.

00:37:13
Speaker 1: The Cowboys allowed there.

00:37:15
Speaker 6: All right, So as bad as their defense is, they actually played better than they did normally.

00:37:20
Speaker 4: But Scoby precent, you just saw it.

00:37:21
Speaker 6: And part of his physical size, he can throw the ball with a six or four DEFENSI e vent in his face where was Kylo's got to bounce it extended?

00:37:28
Speaker 4: And everyone else is in scramble rules.

00:37:30
Speaker 6: And so I think Jacobi's patience with some things, but also his quick decision making is why this offense is working a little bit better, the offensive line playing a little bit better, a little bit more physically. We'll see how it goes. I mean, this week it's gonna be tough. I mean, he'll show me something if he goes up to Seattle and handles Leonard Williams and the way that defensive front. My god, they are smacking people.

00:37:53
Speaker 1: Up there, and they got swept last year by the Seahawks. In a version of the Seahawks that wasn't as as good as this one.

00:38:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I fully expect Seattle to take care of business, but I really don't want it to get lost that before they played the worst well the Bengals exist, but before they played among the worst defenses in football. Right now, Jacoby Brissett balled out against the Indianapolis Colts, who have a good defense, and the Green Bay Packers, who have a good defense. And so I think that this is important to remember that Jacoby Brissett has like this consistency that the team really you can tell has craved. If you listen to the press conference's postgame from Kalais Campbell from Trey McBride, who was on the Scott Van Pelt set after the game, they clearly wanted to keep rolling the way that they are regardless of an injury. Kyler is hurt, and I think it's confusing for fans when there are reports from practice of Kyler taking reps with with at practice a couple of weeks ago and then but but the injury is going to be something that's that's sidelining him for a while as well. So I think there's some mixed messaging that needs to get under control out there for sure. But at the same time, I don't want to discredit what Jacoby Brissett has done and how Drew Petson clearly clearly sees him as a guy sort of a throwback of what Drew Petsing used to do running this offense back when he was like full on QBAC system under you know, with the Browns under Stefanski.

00:39:21
Speaker 5: Those types of things.

00:39:22
Speaker 1: Show me something this week, because if they if they can be competitive in this game and just give me an entertaining product. They want more than that, but that that would show that this team is still going to make some noise. I think down the stretch, I'm not sure if they can do it.

00:39:39
Speaker 3: And I thought it was interesting though We're listening to the broadcast and the booth is calling to keep Brissette.

00:39:46
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, toy aikman, I don't he You just.

00:39:49
Speaker 3: Don't hear that happen often. And this was before we love Troy though, he'll do it, I'll tell you, but this was before we knew that this was going to actually be an injured reserve situation, you know what I mean? Like, I know we have that context now, but to have the broadcast team calling to keep Brisset as the quarterback after going through. Tom Brady can downplay these meetings all they want, but those guys really get in there in those meetings and they're in the building to say those things on the broadcast was telling to me.

00:40:17
Speaker 2: And again, I'll bring it up once again because I always will. I wish the booth community had collectively decided to support Jacoby Brissett when he clearly should have been the starting quarterback in Cleveland, where it's a little bit for some reason, it was easier for people to defend Deshaun Watson keeping his starting job, where Kyler Murray has kind of been on the opposing end of threats and critique from the general booth community for the majority.

00:40:42
Speaker 5: Of his immunity.

00:40:44
Speaker 1: Right though, Yeah, like.

00:40:46
Speaker 2: If there's a guy there, everybody's like, well, you know, they're better now with cha, Kobe, it's going to be Kyler.

00:40:53
Speaker 1: Let's think about like this game two from Seattle's point of view, they're coming off like a high. It's a much tougher matchup. Rashid jaheat is there. You know, for the first time, they already led the league in air yards per attempt. So I do love a team that's building on strengths like strength and strength and strength, and he's just gonna give them so much. And I am curious just when they're on offense their offensive line, who's played well against this Cardinals front, which can test your protection scheme and your communication. And they have Walter Nolan, now who I love. Look who looks great? Who look good? So that it's a good matchup. I think when when the Seahawks have the ball.

00:41:30
Speaker 6: What this does, though, getting Shaheed is going to open up the run game because now you've got two vertical threats.

00:41:35
Speaker 1: You know, we know Jason's better up to.

00:41:36
Speaker 6: Seem Now you've got a guy who could do stuff on the outside. Okay, so now you're gonna have to If you're playing Nickel, you're more worried about rotating coverages and seeking a safety to stop the run, yes, which is what teams are doing to the Seahawks. So this is something that's going to open up things for Arroyo in the middle of the field. But I think because they're Seattle doesn't run the ball consistently well, this is going to pull guys back to open up some teams.

00:42:00
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, and they can stay in twelve personnel, which they clearly have designed their version of twelve personnel because they want to attack teams in the passing game with two dominant receivers and two dominant tight ends as mismatches, and they're not seeing a lot of light boxes. To your point, Steve, they're only seeing light boxes twenty percent of rushing attempts this season, and so that number is going.

00:42:22
Speaker 5: To dramatically change.

00:42:24
Speaker 3: That's going to probably flip on its head because they're going to have to pull everybody back to the middle of the field.

00:42:30
Speaker 2: I will say, if you're if you're a Seattle fan who's grading things and Darnald's throwing all these downfield passes, there's only four teams that have more interceptions than touchdowns allowed on deep passes, and one of them is Aira's on the Cardinals. Hey, now you know, maybe you know why you're working things out there.

00:42:45
Speaker 1: You go, I'll never throw up. I'll never put it past Jonathan Gannon to come up with no he can one week game cam game plan that makes it tight, makes it tough. So they're six and a half point favorites. They're pretty decent survivor option. I know we respect the Cardinals, but we have not picked our survivor pick of the week. Last week we had the Rams. I mean, we've been in blowout city. We've hit what seven straight weeks? Now we have in terms of the survivor.

00:43:16
Speaker 2: Can I offer up Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers at home?

00:43:20
Speaker 1: No, against the Saints.

00:43:21
Speaker 4: We could chase the Saints two weeks.

00:43:23
Speaker 1: In a row, but we're not eligible to take the following teams the Bills, Lions, Packers, Chiefs, Colts, Rams, essentially the best offenses in the league. As you pointed out a week ago, that really does eliminate a lot of the good options in this week, in particular, it's getting tough out here. The Panthers are a strong option. I would say the Panthers and the Seahawks are to me pretty clearly the best two options.

00:43:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're asking me, Jacobe or Tyler Shuck, I'm.

00:43:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going I'm going Panthers.

00:43:58
Speaker 4: Carolina could do this.

00:44:00
Speaker 1: But so I can win either way. Either we win as a group where I can point out that.

00:44:07
Speaker 5: It should have been the scene and isn't that just what it's all about?

00:44:10
Speaker 1: Yes, pretty much.

00:44:11
Speaker 2: I would like to use you guys as a resource for a project that I've been working. Oh okay, because I know you've had a conversation about the MVP. Yes, the MVP conversation is sometimes deemed a race, sometimes simply deemed a conversation, but more often than not, it takes the form of a verbal tournament. Steve oh loosely defined rules that seemingly change from year to years. So I wonder what if I use the incredible resource of the brain power available to me at NFL Daily Wow, and facilitated a conversation about the conversation while also highlighting its inherent absurdity and lack of logical consistency to ultimately predict the twenty twenty five Most Valuable Player using key metrics.

00:44:49
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, So it's a.

00:44:51
Speaker 2: Scoring system that begins because, as Baker Mayfield said, and again, this is not what I believe. This is just what the circumstances have put forth. Because Greg who does it all the time. We have to analyze the people voting for the MVP while we make our statements about who the MVP is going to be. So once Week ten begins, if you are a non quarterback, it is minus seventeen points. We have to go back to Adrian Peterson. The only reason he got the MVP is because a lot of the qualifications weren't met by the quarterbacks this year. If you're a defensive player, it is minus fifty points off the bat.

00:45:27
Speaker 1: You have to do the following things.

00:45:29
Speaker 2: If you have a positive game after week ten and you are in the conversation, which we've already established, some players who are in their conversation will finalize things and make this. Once we get week ten going, it's a plus five. If you as a positive game in primetime or a major four to twenty five Eastern time start after week ten, it's plus seven. If it's after week ten against the contender, it's plus ten. Okay, and you guys don't have to worry. I'll track all this and axcell spreadsheet that.

00:45:57
Speaker 1: I'm going to get ross here.

00:46:00
Speaker 2: Negative prime time game after week ten is negative twelve. Okay, after week eleven it's negative fifteen. Remember back when Brock Purty was an MVP contender and he had the negative prime time game fell off.

00:46:13
Speaker 1: He was done at that point. Yep. It was the same thing happened to Michael Vick in like a Monday night game. It was Michael Vick versus Tom Brady. Three weeks later, Michael Vick didn't get a vote. Yep.

00:46:23
Speaker 2: And so it's those scoring prime time versus prime time against contender. The scoring goes up and changes every single week. I'll have the full list available whenever we finish negative primetime game. After week thirteen goes all the way up to negative twenty.

00:46:39
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that does hurt. Yeah, you guys will.

00:46:42
Speaker 2: Be helping me to determine whether it was a positive game or a negative game. Again, in my view, things can be a little bit about to say, you could play Patrick Mahomes could go thirteen to thirty exactly.

00:46:54
Speaker 4: But in terms of the MVP conversation, it is there are only winners.

00:46:58
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's true. It is very binary. If it's a four h five game, Let's say that Darnald Baker Mayfield Seahawks game happens later in the year, but it's four oh five, it's buried. It's it's a Fox game. When it's a CBS doubleheader week well later yet minus what happens.

00:47:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, later in the year, Greg the flex comes into play, Okay, because in the conversation later in the year.

00:47:23
Speaker 1: Games are important to me.

00:47:24
Speaker 2: They're all football games, and we can evaluate the teams with their totality. The rest of this is the Baker rules that the Baker mayfield logical understanding of the MVP applies here. If you're leading the NFL in a category while in the conversation, but it only lasts for that week, it's plus five. If you break a season long NFL record at the end of the season, it's plus fifteen. If you've never won the MVP despite a solid resume, it is plus twelve. And if you've won multiple MVPs or you won the MVP last year, it is minus six.

00:47:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the final week, that is the conversation.

00:47:58
Speaker 1: Wow, they will be playing in the final week. Yeah, this explained that, like Drew Brees rules. Yeah, this explains why JJ Watt did not win the MVP that season that he had the greatest season any defensive player has ever had, because he had the minus fifty yeah right.

00:48:13
Speaker 5: After really sunk him.

00:48:15
Speaker 3: Really because he got close even with he was in the conversation every week.

00:48:19
Speaker 1: The conversation, Well, I don't know how we determined who was even starting the conversation, because one of the most ridiculous things about the conversation. Do you remember, oh, you know, mid October when Baker Mayfield and Dak Prescott were in the conversation and yet here we are just a few weeks later.

00:48:35
Speaker 3: But how does it like they're not the Baker himself said that this is when football starts.

00:48:40
Speaker 1: This is it? How do Saqua did they get back in?

00:48:43
Speaker 4: We will not win that last year? Then they played another of a prime.

00:48:46
Speaker 1: Time Well he got the minus the top though he.

00:48:48
Speaker 2: Got the mopt deal. He got the minus seventeen and one time. And Josh Allen's team had the consistent success and he plays the quarterback position, and he had big wins late.

00:48:58
Speaker 1: And he hadn't won the VP before despite a great resume. That's a plus twelve.

00:49:02
Speaker 6: Here's my question for you got no shot, No he doesn't.

00:49:08
Speaker 3: What do we do we also count? So obviously we count players who are in the conversation?

00:49:14
Speaker 1: Correct?

00:49:14
Speaker 4: Okay?

00:49:15
Speaker 5: Do we also count.

00:49:16
Speaker 3: Players who are the subjects of many takes and and quotes and headlines that say we should be talking.

00:49:27
Speaker 1: More about that's Daniel Daniel Jones rule, or it's.

00:49:33
Speaker 5: Time to have a conversation about Yes, those guys.

00:49:36
Speaker 2: Once the conversation is invoked, you can be placed in the conversation. But if if statistically you're eliminated from the point total, it's it's not gonna be like Sam Darnold and and Dimes will remain in the conversation significantly longer than JSN and Jonathan Taylor despite perhaps not having a similar level. It's that Stafford bump right there, Matthew Stafford is hitting a lot of these.

00:49:59
Speaker 3: Hitting a lot of the qualifications for the conversation.

00:50:03
Speaker 1: We need to be talking more about conversation. Is is it like a cousin. I think it's a cousin to this conversation. Yeah, related, Yeah, Well those are.

00:50:12
Speaker 4: The guys who the scoring is a little bit lower.

00:50:15
Speaker 2: So it's a tear down, okay, And so they're going to need some huge performances perhaps break perhaps break an NFL record in order to get into the action conversation.

00:50:22
Speaker 1: I'm glad we did this. I'm glad. I'm looking behind the glass and I'm seeing our producers. Drew is like wondering why am I here right now? Why is this show still going on?

00:50:32
Speaker 5: eRx, Just thinking about how much math he's going to have to do all the island.

00:50:35
Speaker 1: None of this is going on in the NFL channel. It's all being cut out. You're not going to see it at a prime pizza back on the back patio.

00:50:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have to show up on Friday afternoon have a conversation about that.

00:50:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should. You can't check us out, by the way on the NFL channel, I believe Friday afternoons, maybe Wednesday afternoons, who knows. It's it's all surprise, and we will be back in this vary feed for Thursday night football. And because Nick shook and eye look at Raiders Broncos, and we say there's a chance it's one sided, we're gonna give you more. We're gonna do a little power rankings. We haven't done that in a long time. So we're gonna come up with who are the best teams in the NFL. That'll be us on Thursday night. But I don't know if we can top this show. Let's have a conversation about