Ep:150 The Tent Shaker with Boyd Omer

<v Speaker 1>I was up in Washington States. We're in really remote area.
<v Speaker 1>You could actually see Vancouver Island, Canada from where I
<v Speaker 1>was at. I put my tent right underneath my BlackBerry bushes.
<v Speaker 1>I'm by myself in this tent, little air mattress about
<v Speaker 1>three twenty in the morning, laying there and I hear
<v Speaker 1>something shaking the top of it. You couldn't see. Something's
<v Speaker 1>grabbing the top and shaking it. And then I hear
<v Speaker 1>it breathing, and I'm like, Okay, this is what I want.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not going to freak out and run. But
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty wild. You know, my heart's going crazy.
<v Speaker 2>Boy. Thanks for joining me on Bigfoot Crossroads. How you
<v Speaker 2>doing man, I'm doing well, Matt. Thank you for having
<v Speaker 2>me on. Yeah, so you're one of those people that
<v Speaker 2>started out with a general interest but actually bought your
<v Speaker 2>way into the BFRO. Is that how it works?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, you pay a little, You pay a fee
<v Speaker 1>to attend the expeditions. Then after you've attended one, they
<v Speaker 1>give you a real huge discount to go to further ones.
<v Speaker 1>And so I finally went to one in New Mexico
<v Speaker 1>and met all kinds of cool people here, and that's
<v Speaker 1>where I live and got more and more fascinated in it,
<v Speaker 1>and then I went to another one and another one,
<v Speaker 1>and then I went to one out in your state
<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma. Then I went to one up in Washington State,
<v Speaker 1>and I've been all over. I've been to a lot
<v Speaker 1>official ones and even more unofficial ones. But yeah, be
<v Speaker 1>a fro.
<v Speaker 2>So what was that first outing like for you? Was
<v Speaker 2>was that the first time that you had actually gone
<v Speaker 2>out looking for Bigfoot specifically?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? It was. And so it's about an hour and
<v Speaker 1>a half for me, and that's mountains in the Henas
<v Speaker 1>Mountains I attended, and the group that I went with
<v Speaker 1>there's probably about twenty five people. I met one of
<v Speaker 1>the local investigators and he's he passed away a few
<v Speaker 1>several years ago, but he taught me tracking. That really
<v Speaker 1>got me into it. And we feel like we found
<v Speaker 1>trackways of three of them up there, and we had
<v Speaker 1>trees being pushed over on both sides of the camp.
<v Speaker 1>We had one of the women was using the bathroom
<v Speaker 1>in the woods and had something growl at her. You know,
<v Speaker 1>who knows what that was. But the trackways were inched
<v Speaker 1>to me and that kind of got me into really
<v Speaker 1>digging into doing tracking, you know, and I think that's
<v Speaker 1>like the key to these things. But yeah, that piqued
<v Speaker 1>my interests.
<v Speaker 2>Well let's talk about that for a second, because that's
<v Speaker 2>also very similar to what really got me going. I
<v Speaker 2>was into tracking. I can't say that like I'm some
<v Speaker 2>great tracker or anything like that, but I studied tracking
<v Speaker 2>quite a bit. I was raised in a family of hunters,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and outdoorsmen, so I knew a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>But like tracking seems to really open the doors to
<v Speaker 2>this whole thing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, I'm exactly like you. I'm you know, I'm
<v Speaker 1>not a certified tracker or anything. It's just I look
<v Speaker 1>for patterns and I also have kind of learned, you know,
<v Speaker 1>you do it in the kind of early in the morning,
<v Speaker 1>so they don't have direct overhead sunlight hour in the afternoon,
<v Speaker 1>so you have an angle and some of the thermal
<v Speaker 1>equipment that we have, you can actually use it if
<v Speaker 1>it only has like one time zoom, you can actually
<v Speaker 1>track at night, isn't it. It's not you're not really
<v Speaker 1>looking for a heat signature of the you know, the
<v Speaker 1>animal that went preceding you, but you're looking at like
<v Speaker 1>a variation using that thermal and it's pretty pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>But pattern like heel toe, the tarsel break, the how
<v Speaker 1>they lift off to go over like an object like
<v Speaker 1>a down log up onto a rock, the material that
<v Speaker 1>they're stepping on.
<v Speaker 2>If just your average person who doesn't know anything about
<v Speaker 2>tracking comes across a footprint in the mud somewhere or
<v Speaker 2>the dirt or whatever, and they think that it might
<v Speaker 2>be a big foot track, water, some key things for
<v Speaker 2>them to look for.
<v Speaker 1>I think what you're looking for are in my regard
<v Speaker 1>to And one thing is, bears are so so often misconstrued,
<v Speaker 1>you know, bear track. You know, I look at like
<v Speaker 1>a bear track has almost like your hand you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's like an arched toeprint. And and look at your
<v Speaker 1>own foot and your foot has an angled you know,
<v Speaker 1>your toes on your feet are angled, not arched. You know,
<v Speaker 1>it's like a right angle, left angle, left right. That's
<v Speaker 1>what you very first thing you look at. Also, a
<v Speaker 1>lot of bear prints are step in so it looks
<v Speaker 1>like a big, big footprint, and you see that a
<v Speaker 1>lot like people post it up, So that'd be one
<v Speaker 1>thing you too, you know, to discount something you're seeing
<v Speaker 1>as a bear track with the angle, the lift in
<v Speaker 1>the middle of it. Like, so if you've got a
<v Speaker 1>really great print saying sand or mud or something like
<v Speaker 1>you said, like there should be a lifted part in
<v Speaker 1>the middle, you know, because they flex somewhat as a step,
<v Speaker 1>I believe, but it's not always true. I think their
<v Speaker 1>their foot is really flexible, so it can be flat,
<v Speaker 1>it could be well, it can kind of pull its
<v Speaker 1>front of its foot in the difference to their rear
<v Speaker 1>to get traction, and don't always discount. It doesn't have
<v Speaker 1>to always be a big footprint. It could just be
<v Speaker 1>a heel the toes, you know, they're they're really flexible,
<v Speaker 1>I think in their feet. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I also hear a lot of times, you know, the
<v Speaker 2>age old question, why is it that you only find
<v Speaker 2>one print? It's always just one print? And I try
<v Speaker 2>to tell people that you might only see one clear footprint,
<v Speaker 2>but there's still other tracks there. There's other impressions there.
<v Speaker 2>You just have to know how to look for them.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so you can imagine that, you know, the
<v Speaker 1>material is changing all the time. It's unless it's going
<v Speaker 1>down a beach or you know, big mud flat, it's
<v Speaker 1>not it's not that where at that point it's not changing.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, going through a forest floor, you go
<v Speaker 1>from like, you know, all kinds of stuff. Look for
<v Speaker 1>broken sticks in the track, look for knocked over vegetation.
<v Speaker 1>Look as it passed by to it. Move something one way,
<v Speaker 1>move something the other way. Always keep kind of you know,
<v Speaker 1>they say, always keep looking up, you know, not not
<v Speaker 1>so much that they're going to be swinging from the trees,
<v Speaker 1>but as they pass under things, they can snag hair,
<v Speaker 1>they can break off a branch that you got to
<v Speaker 1>look like for a pathway. That's what I look at.
<v Speaker 2>So what is it about this subject that captured your interest.
<v Speaker 1>It's like a big mystery and it's even grown more,
<v Speaker 1>you know as a mystery. But as you hear more
<v Speaker 1>and more you know information about it, Your friends have encounters,
<v Speaker 1>you know, footage and things they get, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>it just keeps drawing in. So we're really really trying
<v Speaker 1>to kind of get more and more to the bottom
<v Speaker 1>of it. But I mean, it's it's like mysteries. I
<v Speaker 1>love it.
<v Speaker 2>So you're one of the select a few people in
<v Speaker 2>the world that have seen these things, have had your
<v Speaker 2>own encounters. We were talking a bit yesterday about that,
<v Speaker 2>or the day before, I think, But yeah, what was
<v Speaker 2>that first moment, like whenever you realize like, holy crap,
<v Speaker 2>these things are real.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's like we kind of we were trying to
<v Speaker 1>as a group, We're trying to get these things to
<v Speaker 1>follow us and and just be curious about us, because
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what they do, and we're the we're
<v Speaker 1>the show in town, so to speak, out in the
<v Speaker 1>middle of nowhere and the things. We made a maneuver
<v Speaker 1>where our group we just at the count of three,
<v Speaker 1>we all dove off into the woods off of a
<v Speaker 1>pretty wide like you know, uh, gravel road in the
<v Speaker 1>middle of the night, and then we look back with
<v Speaker 1>night vision, not thermal, but night vision, and these two
<v Speaker 1>really lanky I'm gonna call them bigfoot because it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>the human and it wasn't you know, a monkey or
<v Speaker 1>anything like that. It stepped out onto the road, like
<v Speaker 1>where did they go? You know kind of that's but
<v Speaker 1>then they immediately kind of saw what we did and
<v Speaker 1>they jumped back and they're gone. So to me, that
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, like that's what I wanted. And
<v Speaker 1>it's like wow, you know, it's like, uh, what a moment.
<v Speaker 1>We're passing this night vision around, you know, So everybody
<v Speaker 1>can get a look, but I just I just had
<v Speaker 1>for like like a second, you know, two seconds focused
<v Speaker 1>boom gone. You know. I'm like, luckily I was the
<v Speaker 1>last one to have it. But they were out there
<v Speaker 1>for a moment looking at us, and then we saw,
<v Speaker 1>you know, they kind of paralleled and kind of caught
<v Speaker 1>up to us and you could see the eye shine
<v Speaker 1>from them, you know, so they were they were like one,
<v Speaker 1>they know where we were. That was that was my
<v Speaker 1>very first time.
<v Speaker 2>So whenever you saw them, that's whenever they retreated back
<v Speaker 2>into the woods.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, it was like oh shoot, you know, boom,
<v Speaker 1>they're gone. You know, like but they paralleled us. And
<v Speaker 1>then there's a really dark open area right across from
<v Speaker 1>where we were kind of off, say we're off to
<v Speaker 1>the one side of the road, and then the other
<v Speaker 1>side of the road there's this kind of camp area
<v Speaker 1>back in there, but it's really dark, tree covered camp
<v Speaker 1>and we know it in the daytime, but it was
<v Speaker 1>you know, middle of the night, and you could see
<v Speaker 1>these eyes like I'm going to say, like little red
<v Speaker 1>dots like blinking and like floating through there like they're walking.
<v Speaker 1>And at that time we are now thermal gear. It
<v Speaker 1>was like quite a while ago, yeah, and I was
<v Speaker 1>in Washington state where that was. And then we continue
<v Speaker 1>to walk, and one thing is it's kind of like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, these kind of unwritten rules. Don't don't point,
<v Speaker 1>you know, don't everybody turn and look. And so I
<v Speaker 1>had my I have my daughter with me, and she
<v Speaker 1>was like fourteen. I believe that was her first expedition,
<v Speaker 1>and she's on two or three. But I got her
<v Speaker 1>into it anyway too. Walking along and I look up
<v Speaker 1>to the left after this we'd gone by that camp.
<v Speaker 1>So we're about another you know, eighth of a mile
<v Speaker 1>along this road and look up and there's a screenfield
<v Speaker 1>kind of like broken rock, like maybe one hundred and
<v Speaker 1>fifty feet of this broken rock going up to this tree.
<v Speaker 1>He looked up at the trop of the tree line,
<v Speaker 1>and I see those red eyes looking at me. And
<v Speaker 1>I told her, hey, slowly turn your left of your head,
<v Speaker 1>don't don't turn your body and what do you see?
<v Speaker 1>I see it's right at the base of those trees,
<v Speaker 1>like it's laying down looking at us, you know. And
<v Speaker 1>there was like enough ambient opack light must have been
<v Speaker 1>like moon or something to kind of see that, you know.
<v Speaker 1>The difference in the terrain. That would have been a
<v Speaker 1>great one if we had had thermal and anyway that
<v Speaker 1>that road was closed, it was like a washed out
<v Speaker 1>road so you could only walk it, you know, So
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like nobody's really back there, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And I've never encountered anybody that like has glowing eyes
<v Speaker 2>and lays down on the ground to watch people.
<v Speaker 1>That was like, like you kind of kind of say,
<v Speaker 1>you know, what is that? Like why is that? How
<v Speaker 1>does that happen without like a reflective something from starlight
<v Speaker 1>or a moon or something somebody shining a flashlight at it?
<v Speaker 1>Like how is it like got energy in its eyes
<v Speaker 1>or something. I don't know, And I've seen it more
<v Speaker 1>than once, you know, where you know, those were red,
<v Speaker 1>you know. Other times I've seen like yellow and kind
<v Speaker 1>of greenish, and animals have that too, So I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it's reflecting light very strongly or do
<v Speaker 2>you think it's actually producing its own light?
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't believe there's any animal that
<v Speaker 1>can produce its own light at all, unless it's like
<v Speaker 1>a bioluminescence and like an ocean animal or something like that,
<v Speaker 1>or a firefly or fireflies don't exist up there. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. You know, it's it's bizarre, you know, and
<v Speaker 1>how dark it is, like you're looking into something you
<v Speaker 1>can't see anything in, you know, so you can't see
<v Speaker 1>a moon peeking through in the base of the tree area.
<v Speaker 1>It's just so so dense wars there. But you see
<v Speaker 1>two set to eyes like blinking and moving through there,
<v Speaker 1>like floating through there. It's like that's that's that's a strange.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what are your thoughts, I know we're kind
<v Speaker 2>of jumping ahead in the conversation, but like, what are
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on what these things are? Do you think
<v Speaker 2>they're just some undiscovered primate or some sort of relic human?
<v Speaker 1>I believe there. I believe they're kind of a real, commented,
<v Speaker 1>real relic human in some ways. I guess it's like
<v Speaker 1>a crossbread type thing. You know, it's probably evolved in
<v Speaker 1>some places and change and morphed here and there. You
<v Speaker 1>know the fact that you hear them communicating there's like
<v Speaker 1>with with vocal you occasionally, you know, I've had the
<v Speaker 1>privilege hearing that in Oklahoma, but you know, and there's
<v Speaker 1>recordings of it. They we've we've got recordings from our
<v Speaker 1>group up in Washington State of them like kind of singing.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's kind of like, oh, you know, I'm
<v Speaker 1>making these similar sounds and they're catching it in different
<v Speaker 1>areas of Washington State. Kind of real similar. So I mean,
<v Speaker 1>and then they can you know, some animals will, you know,
<v Speaker 1>mock what you do. You know, like crows and stuff
<v Speaker 1>like that will mock like whistles, and but these things
<v Speaker 1>will mock all kinds of you know, calls that you
<v Speaker 1>make to them, card or slamming weird sounds. Uh, that's
<v Speaker 1>intelligence to me. So I think it's above a level
<v Speaker 1>of a just a basic ape or something.
<v Speaker 2>Somebody who was uh messaging me last night about carrying
<v Speaker 2>a metallic sound, and that's something that's come up quite
<v Speaker 2>a bit. Have you ever heard that.
<v Speaker 1>I have not personally heard that, but I've heard recordings
<v Speaker 1>of it that friends might have captured, and they've talked
<v Speaker 1>about hearing it. I mean, it sounds. I think we
<v Speaker 1>talked about this too a couple of days ago. But
<v Speaker 1>you hear almost sounds like sheet metal or something, you know.
<v Speaker 1>How I mean, try as I might make, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I can't even really do a great sasquatch howl or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think I can make a sound of
<v Speaker 1>sheet metal like out of my voice. I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe they have some sheet metal laying around.
<v Speaker 1>They just whack it, you know, who.
<v Speaker 2>Is carrying it around with them everywhere they.
<v Speaker 1>Go, or they know where it is, you know, they
<v Speaker 1>go to it.
<v Speaker 2>Have you noticed it, noticed any differences in like behavior
<v Speaker 2>compared to where you live in New Mexico to like
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma or Washington.
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma. Like we spoke about before, it was like a
<v Speaker 1>lot of vocalizations that were like like these things are
<v Speaker 1>whooping and hollering across one area to the other, to
<v Speaker 1>a river bottom, that type of thing. So they're like
<v Speaker 1>kind of communicating here. You know, you just hear you
<v Speaker 1>hear whoops. I've heard tree knocks. They push trees over.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's kind of a that's everywhere, but like
<v Speaker 1>an intimidation, like to get you to get out of there.
<v Speaker 1>It's like a I don't know what it would be,
<v Speaker 1>territorial kind of defense or something. Washington State howls, whoops,
<v Speaker 1>they set off, and then coyotes get gone. Set off here,
<v Speaker 1>coyotes get gone. I never heard coyotes in Oklahoma. I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure they're there, but when I was there, I didn't
<v Speaker 1>hear them going off. But it's kind of like this
<v Speaker 1>big cavalcade. Texas too, we heard that because even cows
<v Speaker 1>were going off there, so it's like everything's yelling. You know.
<v Speaker 1>We have some wild recordings of that. But he got
<v Speaker 1>down in Texas, like north of Houston, and it's like,
<v Speaker 1>what the heck? You know, it sounds like you're in
<v Speaker 1>the middle of a jungle. And I'm trying to get
<v Speaker 1>a recording that one. Another investigator here passed away several
<v Speaker 1>years ago too, and she had a really good recording
<v Speaker 1>in this area in New Mexico Rose called Zuo Madero,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to get her son to find the recording.
<v Speaker 1>But it was sounded like you're in the Brookfield Zoo
<v Speaker 1>or something like, and all the monkeys are screaming at
<v Speaker 1>each other. You know, that's that. That was what Oklahoma
<v Speaker 1>sounded like to me. You know that they're going back
<v Speaker 1>and forth like I'm here, I'm there, I'm over here.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever been in a situation where they ran
<v Speaker 2>you out?
<v Speaker 1>Uh? I was close to one, like, but I wanted
<v Speaker 1>to be there, so I didn't leave. It's wild. Like
<v Speaker 1>I've told this story online before, but as up in
<v Speaker 1>Washington States, we're in really remote area. You could actually
<v Speaker 1>see Vancouver Island, Canada and the streets want the Fuca
<v Speaker 1>from there from where I was at. And I put
<v Speaker 1>my tent right underneath some of my BlackBerry bushes and
<v Speaker 1>I go, look the year before they go, oh, don't
<v Speaker 1>go around there. That's where they pushed the tree over.
<v Speaker 1>They're moving us out of there. I go, okay, that's
<v Speaker 1>where I'm puting my tent, you know. So I'm by
<v Speaker 1>myself in this tent, little air mattress. It's a real low,
<v Speaker 1>little backpack type tent. It's actually a tent that you
<v Speaker 1>put in the bed of a truck, but I had
<v Speaker 1>a had a just on the ground, so it's maybe
<v Speaker 1>three and a half feet up off the ground the
<v Speaker 1>top of it. About three twenty in the morning, I'm
<v Speaker 1>laying there and I hear something shaking the top of it.
<v Speaker 1>You know, you couldn't see it's something's grabbing the top
<v Speaker 1>and shaking it. And then I hear it breathing, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, this is what I want, So I'm
<v Speaker 1>not going to freak out and run. But it was
<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty wild. You know, my heart's going crazy. I
<v Speaker 1>didn't move, and it kept doing it about every twenty minutes,
<v Speaker 1>so would do that, and I think it's trying to
<v Speaker 1>get me out of there. But it wasn't being rough
<v Speaker 1>about it. It was just like, hey, hey, get up,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I want to scary out of here. But
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like I mean, I think could probably like
<v Speaker 1>just start dragging the tin away, you know. Yeah. So
<v Speaker 1>after about the fifth time, it's getting to be about
<v Speaker 1>five something in the morning, without me making any movement,
<v Speaker 1>I'm just laying there, and so I whistled kind of
<v Speaker 1>lame whistle and I grunted. First, I granted, then I
<v Speaker 1>whistled a little little whistle, and then I hear it
<v Speaker 1>walk away. It's like crind, crunch, crunch, Like, oh man,
<v Speaker 1>that's wild. Still pitch blackout. I'm like, I'm not gonna move.
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna sit here, you know again, And then
<v Speaker 1>I kind of drifted off back to sleep because I
<v Speaker 1>wasn't gonna be able to jump out and see anything.
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't gonna light it up with a light or anything.
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of didn't against that because I wanted
<v Speaker 1>to interact. And then about just had started to get
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of light, like sick something, and I
<v Speaker 1>hear my whistle like to my left shoulder, I have
<v Speaker 1>just this lame little whistle, like, oh wow, that's kind
<v Speaker 1>of what I did. So and then I hear my
<v Speaker 1>lame mass whistle coming immediately for my right shoulder, like
<v Speaker 1>not too far away, but that's it. I jump up
<v Speaker 1>and I'm on zipping getting out of there, standing in
<v Speaker 1>my underwear out in the foggy morning, in the middle
<v Speaker 1>of a black nothing. You can't see anything. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you can't. You can't all I was below it. I
<v Speaker 1>was on a like a there's a power line road,
<v Speaker 1>but the blackberries right about me, like this whole big
<v Speaker 1>line on. So I'm looking around. I can't see anything.
<v Speaker 1>It was foggy, you know. I'm like, okay, you got me,
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of like I dress and I have
<v Speaker 1>The group's maybe about eight hundred yards away their main
<v Speaker 1>base camps or there are remote base camp. Was up there, Uh,
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be a fro expedition. So I
<v Speaker 1>walked down everybody's sleep and nothing, you know. I had
<v Speaker 1>a partner of mine he was supposed to be watching
<v Speaker 1>me and his he's sound asleep in my rental car
<v Speaker 1>and it's all fogged up. You know, you could see
<v Speaker 1>even if he was wide away. Yeah, he's maybe one
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty yards away from me. That was like
<v Speaker 1>my closest real person. But that that was whild. I mean.
<v Speaker 1>I was in one situation like you just asked, like
<v Speaker 1>where I was frightened, and that was in Washington State.
<v Speaker 1>And I can't say this is Bigfoot. This is might
<v Speaker 1>have been embarra or something. But there's this area and
<v Speaker 1>that we go to in one of the areas of
<v Speaker 1>the area is called the playground, And I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 1>how did you get that name. So it's this real dark,
<v Speaker 1>real all kinds of big timber that's dropped down swampy
<v Speaker 1>low low area. So I was out walking around and
<v Speaker 1>I hear this like just crashing sound coming from that area.
<v Speaker 1>So I start to look in there. It's just like
<v Speaker 1>something ripping bark off of something, you know, just going
<v Speaker 1>crazy in there, Like I think it's looking for insects, grubs,
<v Speaker 1>something like that, you know, in the bark of these
<v Speaker 1>down trees. And I to me, I and this is daylight,
<v Speaker 1>like eleven o'clock in the morning. I just kind of
<v Speaker 1>make myself go in there, and I was just afraid
<v Speaker 1>of it. You know. That's like the only time I
<v Speaker 1>had no phone, no camera, and no audio gear. I was.
<v Speaker 1>I was like walking around looking for tracks kind of.
<v Speaker 1>I was finishing that and I got afraid of that.
<v Speaker 1>It's there's probably a bear in there though. I mean
<v Speaker 1>there's bear tracks around, so to me, it's probably a bear,
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you logic it out. But I was
<v Speaker 1>just afraid even as a bear, is that going to
<v Speaker 1>see me and come after me? Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Do you find any like stick structures or anything in
<v Speaker 2>New Mexico?
<v Speaker 1>I haven't. I haven't really seen that here. I've gotten
<v Speaker 1>quite a few reports coming be a furrow investigator the
<v Speaker 1>word people send in pictures, but it's it's areas that
<v Speaker 1>are close to, you know, popular camping area. So I
<v Speaker 1>think it's just you know, it's probably more human really
<v Speaker 1>or a kid doing or something. But Washington State have
<v Speaker 1>seen in the middle of nowhere ones. I think. I
<v Speaker 1>think New Mexico I've spotted some in remote areas that's
<v Speaker 1>like a couple they were more like a tpe type
<v Speaker 1>thing like put together with branches. And then at one
<v Speaker 1>point in New Mexico, come to think of it, we're
<v Speaker 1>walking and we're a pretty really remote area and then
<v Speaker 1>you see this kind of a constructed look like a blind,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like where you could lay low behind it
<v Speaker 1>and watch a game trail. But I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>hunters would put that together. Maybe they would, you know,
<v Speaker 1>but it looked constructed. And then Washington State, we saw
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of no where we see all these
<v Speaker 1>pretty big, long branches, like I guess they're pine, but
<v Speaker 1>all laid up against a tree and it's an interests
<v Speaker 1>this metal area. And then next to it there's a
<v Speaker 1>little set of them, you know, like like I'm teaching
<v Speaker 1>junior how to how to do a stick structure, and
<v Speaker 1>here's his, here's mine, you know, kind of one is huge,
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, this stuff would be difficult for two
<v Speaker 1>people to put that up there, you know, and I
<v Speaker 1>just I just don't see a human doing that. Wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>be productive for anything, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've seen enough to where it's like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>well a lot of these things are most likely human made.
<v Speaker 2>But then there's also situations where it's okay, well this
<v Speaker 2>would have to be a human or a bigfoot, and
<v Speaker 2>the odds of it being human are just really far
<v Speaker 2>out there, because I mean in a situation where like
<v Speaker 2>why would a person do that here? Yeah, but I've
<v Speaker 2>always wondered, like, where did the connection between structures and
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot come from? You know, in the history of bigfoot research.
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know the source of that when we
<v Speaker 2>decided that, like, oh, this exformation is from a bigfoot
<v Speaker 2>or this tpe is from a bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. My opinion is, you know not I
<v Speaker 1>kind of asked the same question. But and logically you
<v Speaker 1>have to. But like they're so big, like some of
<v Speaker 1>the material that they used or what can't whatever they is,
<v Speaker 1>what they use it to build, build or build out with.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I mean, it's such a big flog, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like here in the middle of nowhere, and maybe you
<v Speaker 1>have like six of your friends and go, hey, let's
<v Speaker 1>put this together, you know here get the other end. No,
<v Speaker 1>we're going to need four people. You know, that's weird.
<v Speaker 1>You know, like you could get hurt. You know. It
<v Speaker 1>just didn't make any sense for the effort. Most people
<v Speaker 1>don't go out in the woods and build like like
<v Speaker 1>tps of big huge branches. You know, I've seen I've
<v Speaker 1>seen weird stuff like where there's a big rock on
<v Speaker 1>a stump, you know, and everybody's, oh, that's got to
<v Speaker 1>be a big foot picked up that rock. And then
<v Speaker 1>then other people say, no. I know people that are
<v Speaker 1>in the lumber industry, you know, and they they have
<v Speaker 1>these lifters that'll pull up these big, big logs to
<v Speaker 1>put them into the trucks, and that they play around
<v Speaker 1>and they just grab a rock and put it up
<v Speaker 1>on a big stump, you know, like using that tool. Uh.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just kind of fun. You know, so
<v Speaker 1>you know you can say, oh, no human could lift
<v Speaker 1>that up. Well yeah, but somebody with as right off
<v Speaker 1>a road, so somebody with this equipment could just grab
<v Speaker 1>a big rock and put it on there, you know,
<v Speaker 1>for fun. You know, you gotta you gotta, you gotta
<v Speaker 1>go with whatever what's logical, you know first, you know,
<v Speaker 1>middle of nowhere, big structure, you go, okay, you know,
<v Speaker 1>And I've seen a lot of tree twists. Have you
<v Speaker 1>ever seen that match? Yeah for sure, Yeah, yeah, And
<v Speaker 1>I've seen that where it leads to like a like
<v Speaker 1>a trail, you know, like access point that we've had
<v Speaker 1>activity at like there'll be like three or four really
<v Speaker 1>old ones that are and they're pretty big. You know,
<v Speaker 1>it'd be like a four inch diamond or pine and
<v Speaker 1>the thing got twisted. You know, I don't know what
<v Speaker 1>what kind of thing could do that. You know, you
<v Speaker 1>want to say, well, big storm, swirling wind, you know
<v Speaker 1>that could break over a branch or something like that,
<v Speaker 1>but twisting it, you know, who knows?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I live in Oklahoma, so we're used
<v Speaker 2>to big, twirly, swirling winds and uh yeah, I've seen
<v Speaker 2>every kind of wind damage you can think of. I've
<v Speaker 2>seen you know, breakovers from ice and snow and all that,
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, it will it will twist some stuff up,
<v Speaker 2>but it looks completely different in my opinion.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we have. We have. You know, we have
<v Speaker 1>mountain storms and stuff here too, and there's you know,
<v Speaker 1>like dust doubles. They call them tempuestas here. Like to me,
<v Speaker 1>I call it a little tornado. But yeah, I wasn't
<v Speaker 1>born here, but yeah, I think. But when you see
<v Speaker 1>like no other damage anywhere, and then you see like
<v Speaker 1>four or three or four of these things like right
<v Speaker 1>out of a trailhead, like what you know, kind of Uh,
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of weird. I mean I think, you know,
<v Speaker 1>if you're marking territory, like what animal, what other animals
<v Speaker 1>do that, you know besides us? You know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean that That's how it always kind of came
<v Speaker 2>across to me, was something you know, showing off, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like a big alpha male or whatever' saying look what
<v Speaker 2>I can do. You know, the thicker the tree, the
<v Speaker 2>bigger the tree, you know, the more powerful the twist
<v Speaker 2>it kind of get the message across.
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, like laying down my territory, you know here.
<v Speaker 1>And one thing I've seen here which is kind of
<v Speaker 1>cool is rock stacks that are I mean big stuff
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's kind of like a it's not really slate,
<v Speaker 1>but they have this like fossilized sandstone that they call
<v Speaker 1>it for what they call it flagstone, they call it,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and they use it for you know, like
<v Speaker 1>walkways and stuff like that. But there we've found it
<v Speaker 1>all stacked up and they flipped over pieces of it
<v Speaker 1>and kind of made an area where they marked. But
<v Speaker 1>I think they're going after by moving some of these things.
<v Speaker 1>And they're probably three hundred pound rocks at least. And
<v Speaker 1>I think they're going for like baby mice and like
<v Speaker 1>rodent nests and insects and stuff underneath where they're at,
<v Speaker 1>because you could see the old nests stuff from mice.
<v Speaker 1>They have a animal here called wood rat. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know if you guys probably have them too, and they're
<v Speaker 1>they're pretty big animal and they're they'll they'll nest and
<v Speaker 1>or stuff like that, you know, and that that that'd
<v Speaker 1>be a protein source and not super hard to get
<v Speaker 1>get to and you could grab it if you're if
<v Speaker 1>you knew where they were.
<v Speaker 2>I remember there being like a report of somebody watching
<v Speaker 2>them hunting under rocks or something and they thought it
<v Speaker 2>was like mice and things like that. And I know,
<v Speaker 2>as a kid, like you know, we had a place
<v Speaker 2>at the lake and I go exploring all the time
<v Speaker 2>at the lake, and one of my favorite pastimes was
<v Speaker 2>hunting for crawdads, you know, along the shoreline. And whenever
<v Speaker 2>you're sitting there hunting for crawdads under rocks, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you you lift up a rock and look for the
<v Speaker 2>crowdad and you set it off to the side and
<v Speaker 2>you end up with like a poll of rocks, you know,
<v Speaker 2>as you're just like moving them out of the way,
<v Speaker 2>and so that might explain some of the rock stackings
<v Speaker 2>that people find, is just them moving the rocks out
<v Speaker 2>of the way.
<v Speaker 1>Like somebody, oh, look at this Caaren, It's like a
<v Speaker 1>stack of rocks. It must be big, but you know.
<v Speaker 1>But then also hikers, hikers mark and I've done it myself.
<v Speaker 1>Like you're you're heading off down somewhere and you want
<v Speaker 1>to kind of remember where you went. You know, you'll
<v Speaker 1>you'll stack some sticks a certain way or a little
<v Speaker 1>arrow in the trail with some sticks, so you know, so,
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I came by this this spot, you know,
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're not using a GPS, it's you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's not always that, but real heavy stuff like you know,
<v Speaker 1>in some ways, like three hundred pounds in it just
<v Speaker 1>got flipped over, Like no, no humans going to be
<v Speaker 1>doing that. Like what are they looking for lost Spanish
<v Speaker 1>gold or what? I don't know, I mean maybe mm hmm.
<v Speaker 2>So what are some of the other impactful sightings and
<v Speaker 2>encounters you've had.
<v Speaker 1>It's got an expedition in Colorado. This is not super
<v Speaker 1>far from like Steamboat Springs, kind of out a little
<v Speaker 1>bit to the west, central and west in Colorado and
<v Speaker 1>had we're at this BFI expedition to my friends put on,
<v Speaker 1>and there's this little lake. There's the main camps right
<v Speaker 1>up above the lake. We have a big fire fire
<v Speaker 1>pit there for the group, and they'd had a big
<v Speaker 1>community fire in the evening and it was breaking up
<v Speaker 1>about ten to eleven at night. And another researcher had
<v Speaker 1>a thermal like a flear and I had a different brand,
<v Speaker 1>and we're kind of comparing them. And we're looking at
<v Speaker 1>this tree right by the main base camp fire pit,
<v Speaker 1>and there was a hole in the tree where you'd
<v Speaker 1>seen birds and stuff flying in and out of it,
<v Speaker 1>so it was like a nest's inside the trunk of
<v Speaker 1>the tree with this little hole. So we look at
<v Speaker 1>at the trunk, you know, because it has a heat
<v Speaker 1>from these baby birds that are in there and birds
<v Speaker 1>and nesting in there. Check out my mine here, Look
<v Speaker 1>at mine, and then I had mine back in my hand.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not recording because I'm just looking. Now. I hear
<v Speaker 1>this tree go over on the other side of the fire,
<v Speaker 1>so I'm not one side of the fire, maybe not
<v Speaker 1>too far away from it, maybe twenty five feet away
<v Speaker 1>from the fire, and it's all died down. There's maybe
<v Speaker 1>a couple of people standing around still, but everybody's gone.
<v Speaker 1>So I wheel towards that sound, and right right on
<v Speaker 1>the other side of the fire, this this thing comes
<v Speaker 1>down out of these low bushes, hits this trail that
<v Speaker 1>kind of goes off away from the fire, and it's
<v Speaker 1>booking and it's on all fours and it looks like
<v Speaker 1>the rump of a like a like a gorilla, and
<v Speaker 1>it's moving like probably going thirty forty miles an hour,
<v Speaker 1>like full speed. And then it dives off again back
<v Speaker 1>in kind of where it the direction had come. So
<v Speaker 1>it came out from the left, went straight and went
<v Speaker 1>off to the left. So and I don't know, like
<v Speaker 1>I was like if I had that recorder, that'd be great,
<v Speaker 1>because it was only maybe thirty forty feet away from
<v Speaker 1>me when that happened, and it's the crash of the
<v Speaker 1>tree was not where that was. It was like farther away.
<v Speaker 1>So to me it was like, you know, this is
<v Speaker 1>like it's kind of crazy sounding. But say there's two
<v Speaker 1>of these things watching the camp. One of them gets
<v Speaker 1>in real close, you know, hey, look look bro, look
<v Speaker 1>how close I'm at. And then the other one messed
<v Speaker 1>with it and pushed the tree over surveyed like wheel
<v Speaker 1>the look and it was like, oh, oh crap, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like that's kind of like how it felt to me.
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's crazy that you say that, because I
<v Speaker 2>was going to say the exact same thing. Like me
<v Speaker 2>and my cousin, you still always like mess with one
<v Speaker 2>another and try to get you know, each other caught
<v Speaker 2>up or you know, busted, trying to be sneaky, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and I mean fun. Whenever I was investigating, we'd call
<v Speaker 2>it counting coup where you know, they would come in
<v Speaker 2>and see how close they could get. And I think
<v Speaker 2>that's why they like slap houses and things like that,
<v Speaker 2>or shake tents, you know, just oh, showing off for
<v Speaker 2>one another. You know, a bunch of teenagers out there
<v Speaker 2>board trying to have fun, mess with the humans or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Indians did it ages ago. And then if
<v Speaker 1>you look at some of these like films of like
<v Speaker 1>ape behavior, they go up and slap each other and
<v Speaker 1>run off. You know. Yeah, it's fun too. It's like
<v Speaker 1>a game, you know. And I've had experience where I've
<v Speaker 1>I believe it wasn't me personally, but there was a
<v Speaker 1>guy that had a had a tent and he had
<v Speaker 1>a dog in it, and the dogs like real quiet,
<v Speaker 1>you know, it wouldn't bark or anything. It just he
<v Speaker 1>just notices the dogs like staring at the side of
<v Speaker 1>the tent from inside of the tent, so they're sleeping
<v Speaker 1>in there, and the dogs sitting up on its haunch
<v Speaker 1>is like looking at the side of the tent. So
<v Speaker 1>in the morning he said, yeah, the dog was like
<v Speaker 1>keying on something. It never growls or barks. It's it
<v Speaker 1>was like a German shepherd too. It's just a really
<v Speaker 1>calm dog. And we don't at all let dogs come
<v Speaker 1>on bfol expeditions pretty much unless it's something like that.
<v Speaker 1>It's really unusual that it was allowed. And so then
<v Speaker 1>I look and it's all the grass next to the tent,
<v Speaker 1>right where that dog was looking. It's all matted down
<v Speaker 1>like almost like a not an eight foot radius. It
<v Speaker 1>stinks like the grass. I don't really see hair or
<v Speaker 1>anything in it. And then I saw where it was
<v Speaker 1>all matted and then it goes out underneath these like
<v Speaker 1>a low hanging group of trees to come into our
<v Speaker 1>camp area, and they have these little reeds that were
<v Speaker 1>growing like about size of a pencil and those are
<v Speaker 1>all broke over at about eighteen inches off the ground.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm thinking whatever came in like broke those off
<v Speaker 1>how to be kind of crawl crawling, you know, like
<v Speaker 1>spider crawl or whatever they want to say. And then
<v Speaker 1>it just sat there next to the tent, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like in this nested kind of grass, you know, for
<v Speaker 1>and you know, probably knew the dog was in there.
<v Speaker 1>You know that that's weird, you know, but that's close.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's probably three feet away from the tent.
<v Speaker 1>Then there's a bunch of people camping there.
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's just nuts. How they'll come in and
<v Speaker 2>get so close like that for something that you know
<v Speaker 2>spends its entire existence trying to avoid us. Then you
<v Speaker 2>have these situations where they come in super close to
<v Speaker 2>campers and it's almost like again that they're trying to
<v Speaker 2>get away with stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's another one in the same I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if it's happened the same night, but so a the
<v Speaker 1>main base camp was like an oval, kind of a
<v Speaker 1>cleared out area, kind of trees all around this oval.
<v Speaker 1>People are camped all around the oval kind of entryway area.
<v Speaker 1>There was a guy in this probably like a Chevy,
<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the S ten type trucks, like
<v Speaker 1>a small one, you know, like a Toyota, the Koma
<v Speaker 1>kind of siice that had a camper shell on the back,
<v Speaker 1>and he had had the tailgate down and the camper
<v Speaker 1>shells lid open and he's sleep sleeping in there with
<v Speaker 1>his head to the back of the truck, so he's
<v Speaker 1>looking out. And then on the back of it he
<v Speaker 1>had an easy up shade thing over the back of it,
<v Speaker 1>had a table a Coleman stove, a gallon of water,
<v Speaker 1>and so he's looking kind of into his easy up
<v Speaker 1>and then beyond that trees right, so he's right on
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the tree line something like him up.
<v Speaker 1>He opens his eyes pitch, you know, stark, but he
<v Speaker 1>can see some and there's this head next to the
<v Speaker 1>finely gallon water jug looking it's a one gallon water jug,
<v Speaker 1>and his head's bigger than the one gallon water jug
<v Speaker 1>and it's squatted down, so the head's right next to
<v Speaker 1>this jug and he's like, oh wow. He's like looking
<v Speaker 1>at this, trying not to move, and I want to
<v Speaker 1>think sit the expedition. This is funny. There was a
<v Speaker 1>Matt Moneymaker was actually at that one, and he was,
<v Speaker 1>you know, giving everybody like, here's who you want to
<v Speaker 1>look for, here's what you want to do, and if
<v Speaker 1>something happens, make sure you note the time. You know.
<v Speaker 1>So this guy his first expedition, he's like Daryl. He
<v Speaker 1>looks he has his little Time X watch or whatever
<v Speaker 1>that glows and he touches it so it glows his face.
<v Speaker 1>And then this thing like it's eyes get real big
<v Speaker 1>and then it stands up and go and it's underneath
<v Speaker 1>the guy's easy up and it walks out and it
<v Speaker 1>has to duck to go out. And luckily this guy
<v Speaker 1>looked like at the stings shoulder and it brushes this
<v Speaker 1>branch that was hanging down as it left, and it
<v Speaker 1>was I mean, it couldn't even stand up in the
<v Speaker 1>easy up without hitting its head and the shoulder was
<v Speaker 1>out about close to eight feet. Wow, that's how big
<v Speaker 1>that thing was. So imagine a gallon jug. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>guess that's that's a little bit bigger than our head probably,
<v Speaker 1>And it was bigger than that, so probably twice as
<v Speaker 1>big as a human's head. That's his estimation. But that
<v Speaker 1>was all these other people camping right around there and
<v Speaker 1>it came right into that, you know, and he didn't
<v Speaker 1>have any food out or anything, but I don't think so.
<v Speaker 2>But and like underneath the awning, yeah, he.
<v Speaker 1>Was insight underneath it. You know, it's open on all sides,
<v Speaker 1>but it went in there and it's kneeling down and
<v Speaker 1>kind of looking at him across this table. It's on
<v Speaker 1>the other side of the table with its head inside
<v Speaker 1>a jug. You know.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, WHOA, that's crazy. Yeah, you mentioned Matt Moneymaker,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not going to try to have you speak
<v Speaker 2>on his behalf or anything. But I noticed recently with
<v Speaker 2>all the drone stuff going on in New Jersey that
<v Speaker 2>he had posted on Twitter about himself and other members
<v Speaker 2>of the BFRO have seen basically orbs in the woods
<v Speaker 2>numerous times and it was well known and all this,
<v Speaker 2>which kind of surprised me because he never really goes
<v Speaker 2>down that route or talks about that sort of thing.
<v Speaker 2>Have you experienced orbs yourself or what's your thoughts on
<v Speaker 2>the whole ORB thing?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I have. I have, And like as recently as
<v Speaker 1>we had an ex tradition here last fall up in
<v Speaker 1>northern northern New Mexico. I'm in northern New Mexico. But
<v Speaker 1>this is the way up by the Colorado border, sort
<v Speaker 1>of like orange tear draft shape ORB and top of
<v Speaker 1>these two mountains like ones that appeared and then another time,
<v Speaker 1>and then they've had the Indians up there. Native Americans
<v Speaker 1>tell us about these things floating around through the camp.
<v Speaker 1>Here's a little sidelight to the first story I told
<v Speaker 1>you about seeing my my first sighting, and that was
<v Speaker 1>with the with the night vision. Really close to the
<v Speaker 1>time when we looked at those two to a thin
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot that jumped back in or went back into the woods.
<v Speaker 1>We're sitting there, still looking and this big orange kind
<v Speaker 1>of flash happened right by us. It's I couldn't say
<v Speaker 1>it as an ORB, but it it's like this big
<v Speaker 1>orange flash, and I'm like, what the heck was that,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and there's probably eight people there, you know.
<v Speaker 1>It's like this blinding flash of orange.
<v Speaker 2>Like a camera flash type brightness or a lighter or
<v Speaker 2>how bright was it?
<v Speaker 1>Well, like say if it was an ORB like basket
<v Speaker 1>of all size sort of to start with, and it
<v Speaker 1>just goes and disappeared like in a puff. But like
<v Speaker 1>we're all focused down looking down that road and it
<v Speaker 1>just happened amongst us, you know. And then I asked
<v Speaker 1>Native American people, like, what is that, you know, like
<v Speaker 1>what is in your war or your legend or your knowledge?
<v Speaker 1>What is that? And he somebody said, it's like how
<v Speaker 1>they see you. You know, it's a it's a mechanism
<v Speaker 1>they can use to see you, like an orb is
<v Speaker 1>a or a flash. It's like a vision they can
<v Speaker 1>see you. This is what they said. And I'm like, wow,
<v Speaker 1>because that that was really wild. And that's the only
<v Speaker 1>time I had anything real close to me and I
<v Speaker 1>haven't really seen now. I personally didn't see those orbs
<v Speaker 1>at my expedition, you know. This is some of my
<v Speaker 1>attendees saw it, and uh the natives talking about it
<v Speaker 1>too in that same area. I'm not I've seen it
<v Speaker 1>in photographs, and I think it was in a whole
<v Speaker 1>completely different regard. It was actually on a ghost tour
<v Speaker 1>like in New Orleans, and my daughter and we took
<v Speaker 1>pictures of this. It was like it used to be
<v Speaker 1>an orphanage or something like that that had a fire
<v Speaker 1>and children died or something. They said, take pictures and
<v Speaker 1>you'll see orbs, and there was a lot of them
<v Speaker 1>on the on the pictures. Some of that's dust, you know,
<v Speaker 1>some of it's real deal. It's just it's just weird.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just kind of crazy to me that it
<v Speaker 2>was until fairly recently that people started really talking about
<v Speaker 2>orbs all the time. But I mean, there's something that
<v Speaker 2>It's like, they've been videoed, they've been photographed, you know,
<v Speaker 2>so many people see them. It's obviously something they exist.
<v Speaker 2>We just don't have any idea what it is. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting that people connect them to Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. It's like I mean, in that
<v Speaker 1>regard that flash, you know, and I think somebody said
<v Speaker 1>they thought it was like an orange ball, you know.
<v Speaker 1>That's remember my group people like talking about interesting to
<v Speaker 1>see if they all remember that and what they thought
<v Speaker 1>of it, you know. And some of these UFO reports
<v Speaker 1>that these pilots are like these round objects that are
<v Speaker 1>clear with like a box inside of it. Yeah, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And I used to live in California, like southern California,
<v Speaker 1>and I lived up in the mountains in Malibu, up
<v Speaker 1>Santa Monica Mountains, and one of my neighbors goes, hey, man,
<v Speaker 1>there's a UFO over there, Like, so go over I
<v Speaker 1>actually got a telescope and put it on it. You know,
<v Speaker 1>it's really hard to get it into the telescope because
<v Speaker 1>it's just this ball. But it was like shimmering and
<v Speaker 1>it's looked like his metal. It's out over the San
<v Speaker 1>Fernando Valley. I don't think it was a balloon or
<v Speaker 1>anything like that, but it was round, wouldn't I can't
<v Speaker 1>say it's like a light or orb or anything because
<v Speaker 1>it was in the daytime. But the thing's kind of shimmering. Uh,
<v Speaker 1>look looked to me like some kind of wild looking
<v Speaker 1>metal ball.
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a lot of reports of like UFO
<v Speaker 2>is coming out of the ocean right there, isn't there.
<v Speaker 1>I think. I think, yeah, half off of calf Southern
<v Speaker 1>col I did a lot of sale stuff with friends
<v Speaker 1>out there, and we'd go out to Katalina, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>I never really had anything that I could see like that.
<v Speaker 1>But I know one of our investigators up in our
<v Speaker 1>friends up in Washington State, she was in the Navy
<v Speaker 1>and she was on watch. I don't know what kind
<v Speaker 1>of ship she was on. It was. She's on the
<v Speaker 1>fantail at the back of it and she sees something
<v Speaker 1>come out of the water and she brought it to
<v Speaker 1>the attention of people. People saw it and they go,
<v Speaker 1>what is that? He goes, it's nothing, you know, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>you know so so I mean, yeah, they definitely have
<v Speaker 1>that happening.
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy, man. So what are some of the stories
<v Speaker 2>you know that you've heard from New Mexico, Because I know,
<v Speaker 2>like I was telling you, I've talked to quite a
<v Speaker 2>few people from the area, and there's just all kinds
<v Speaker 2>of crazy stories out of that state, just the Four
<v Speaker 2>Corners region in general. What are some of the better
<v Speaker 2>stories that you've heard.
<v Speaker 1>I like some of it's been you know, on media,
<v Speaker 1>but like these things rating the trash behind, like casinos
<v Speaker 1>that have like buffets in them up there in the
<v Speaker 1>Navajo Nation. It's on camera, but they won't release it.
<v Speaker 1>I think moneymakers talked about that. My my partner in
<v Speaker 1>my expedition's he's actually a retired police officer in a
<v Speaker 1>Native American nation. He owns about a five hundred almost
<v Speaker 1>five hundred acre ranch, like on on the reservation that's
<v Speaker 1>where we have our expedition. He has a fence line
<v Speaker 1>around it that was electrified to keep elk and deer
<v Speaker 1>out because he raised alfalfa in these big fields like
<v Speaker 1>on that property, and he was right in the running
<v Speaker 1>the wires one day, like personally inspecting him with the
<v Speaker 1>power turned off. So he's like pulls up in a
<v Speaker 1>quad or willer, walking the line, you know, going up,
<v Speaker 1>going over these hills and dales behind trees, rocks, and
<v Speaker 1>he walks out and there's one like twelve feet away
<v Speaker 1>from him and it's kneeled down plucking the wire. This
<v Speaker 1>is a big foot daytime, four in the afternoon. It
<v Speaker 1>looks at him. He looks at it and then he
<v Speaker 1>went catatonic, like just falls over. And this is a cop,
<v Speaker 1>you know. He used to be worked with the DEA.
<v Speaker 1>He was in customs, all kinds of wild work. He
<v Speaker 1>did firefighting, all kinds of things. He lays on the
<v Speaker 1>ground and he's just looking at it. He wants to
<v Speaker 1>scream and run, and then he kind of rolls away
<v Speaker 1>from it, like down the hill to get away from it.
<v Speaker 1>But he said, I can't. I couldn't move, you know,
<v Speaker 1>more than just trying to roll away. I'm like and
<v Speaker 1>it stood up, lifted the wire and it's not barbar
<v Speaker 1>it's just a stranded wire. And there's probably like eight
<v Speaker 1>of them, and it goes about six feet high to
<v Speaker 1>keep these deer and elk out, and it's not electrified.
<v Speaker 1>It's turned off at that time, so it pulls the
<v Speaker 1>wireum steps through it like as a human and walks away.
<v Speaker 1>So it was on the inside of the wire where
<v Speaker 1>he was and it walks away from him.
<v Speaker 2>And he specifically said it was female.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, he said female. Probably
<v Speaker 1>seven feet, four hundred pounds four point fifty. You know
<v Speaker 1>his estimation. He knows game. There's a lot of elk, deer, horses,
<v Speaker 1>cattle all around there, so he knows that he's he's
<v Speaker 1>been there. He's now in his seventies. I think at
<v Speaker 1>that time he was like in his fifties when that happened.
<v Speaker 1>He'd see two other times driving at night, he'd seen
<v Speaker 1>them and they're all different though. The other ones look
<v Speaker 1>like some old man with long hair standing there like
<v Speaker 1>naked little and no or other stories are from the
<v Speaker 1>two scum out in the area that it's north of Gallup,
<v Speaker 1>New Mexico. There's a big line of mountains that goes
<v Speaker 1>in between Arizona and New Mexico. And these are these
<v Speaker 1>are coming from Naho uh people, and these two there
<v Speaker 1>were there were girls in now they're adults, but when
<v Speaker 1>they're telling the story, they were traveling with their parents,
<v Speaker 1>coming back from a fair in the summer from Arizona somewhere,
<v Speaker 1>like a Native American fair get together. They're driving at night,
<v Speaker 1>all the windows down on this station wagon and something
<v Speaker 1>jumps from right in front of the station. Again the
<v Speaker 1>dad has to slam on the brakes to the point
<v Speaker 1>of skidding. The one ladies telling me she was never
<v Speaker 1>about I guess ten years old in that range, and
<v Speaker 1>she's in the back seat she could smell the burning rubber.
<v Speaker 1>And one in the front seat between the two parents,
<v Speaker 1>sitting on the fence seat, sees this back of this
<v Speaker 1>animal that it kind of jumped down in front of
<v Speaker 1>the car and was kind of squatted down, and it
<v Speaker 1>gets stands up and walks off the road. She goes
<v Speaker 1>later on, when I was a little older, we went
<v Speaker 1>on a field trip to Albuquerque when we went to
<v Speaker 1>the zoo our school group, and it looked just like
<v Speaker 1>the back of one of the girls, the silverback Grillas
<v Speaker 1>that was at the zoo. And that's what she said.
<v Speaker 1>And she was about ten, and then she was young
<v Speaker 1>you're probably thirties or forties when she was telling me
<v Speaker 1>that story. Other ones are from that four corner area,
<v Speaker 1>like these things coming and raiding people's gardens and fruit
<v Speaker 1>trees and taking pet food out of bowls and water.
<v Speaker 1>And we did a night activity where we put it
<v Speaker 1>on on film, put it on YouTube for the whole
<v Speaker 1>night where had this thermal camera and or running it
<v Speaker 1>up there in the like November, I believe, with a
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine up there, and there was this these
<v Speaker 1>houses up on this bluff overlooking the San Juan River
<v Speaker 1>and there's all these river bottoms and it's a pretty
<v Speaker 1>big area of river bottom and the go, hey, what
<v Speaker 1>do you know? Says we all these other bigfoot researchers
<v Speaker 1>came and they put cameras down there. Oh really, And
<v Speaker 1>then right after they put the cameras, like the next night,
<v Speaker 1>it sounded like somebody who's running a bulldozer down there,
<v Speaker 1>knocking trees down, and you know, I was afraid even
<v Speaker 1>to go look. You know, it's like someone's like upset
<v Speaker 1>with them putting the cameras down there, like just pushing
<v Speaker 1>stuff over. And we went down in there and it
<v Speaker 1>was just a big jumble, you know, but at night
<v Speaker 1>they're knocking over trees and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>What do you think the deal is with that? Do
<v Speaker 2>you think they know what cameras are somehow?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I think they're triggering them maybe, or something's
<v Speaker 1>happening where they get to see that I are spectrum.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they might have smelled it. They probably
<v Speaker 1>saw the people putting them up too, you know. They
<v Speaker 1>it's an encroachment of a territory. I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>they really know what the technology is and oh, we've
<v Speaker 1>got to avoid that, you know. I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>I could take it to that level. I just think
<v Speaker 1>it's like maybe they worry about it, you know, but
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of wild that they're talking about that
<v Speaker 1>all that's going on and they can hear it, but
<v Speaker 1>they're afraid to go down there. But I'm not going
<v Speaker 1>down there after that, you know. Like I talked to you,
<v Speaker 1>I think did you interview Brenda Harris?
<v Speaker 2>I believe, yeah, probably, I've talked to her a couple
<v Speaker 2>of times over the years.
<v Speaker 1>She talked to you about the like the thing running
<v Speaker 1>beside her car and they're going like forty five fifty
<v Speaker 1>miles an hour on the highway and as things running
<v Speaker 1>beside the car. Yeah, that was more like skinwalker ish
<v Speaker 1>type things, not so much bigfoot, they said. But yeah, anyway, anyway.
<v Speaker 2>All those lines start to get kind of blurred whenever
<v Speaker 2>you start talking about this stuff going on out there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's yeah, there's like you know, the skinwalker things,
<v Speaker 1>like a taboo thing. And there's also these areas across
<v Speaker 1>from that river that I was speaking about before, the
<v Speaker 1>San Juan River that they called the hog Back, and
<v Speaker 1>there's like caves and things out there. It's real. There's
<v Speaker 1>no people live over there for some reason. They're all
<v Speaker 1>on one side of the river but not the other,
<v Speaker 1>and that they don't like going in there. And there's
<v Speaker 1>been videos of like ice shine coming out of those
<v Speaker 1>kind of they're not really caves, so to speak, but
<v Speaker 1>they're like, you know, like the depressions into the rock.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure she probably spoke about that too, but
<v Speaker 1>I think they live down in those bottoms. They can
<v Speaker 1>get their water, they can hide out in there, they
<v Speaker 1>can go back up in that hogback where nobody lives. Yeah, she.
<v Speaker 2>Definitely believes that the river is like a source of
<v Speaker 2>a lot of this stuff. A lot of it seems
<v Speaker 2>to focus around the river and kind of branch out
<v Speaker 2>from there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you know the area, it's like logic would
<v Speaker 1>be the water, logic would be the residents around there.
<v Speaker 1>They call it fruitland for a reason. There's lots of
<v Speaker 1>orchards and stuff. It's not super prolific, but it's there,
<v Speaker 1>and there's food and ability. Uh you can take family pets, sheep,
<v Speaker 1>you know. Uh, the other going to animals. They are
<v Speaker 1>going to go down by those rivers. I think rabbits
<v Speaker 1>and rats and birds and you know all the protein
<v Speaker 1>sources from there plus the food.
<v Speaker 2>So did you say you're getting ready to host another
<v Speaker 2>outing out there.
<v Speaker 1>We're doing one in August. Uh, income in in as
<v Speaker 1>early as Monday, Yeah, I think I think it's eleventh
<v Speaker 1>August and it goes through the following Monday. So there's
<v Speaker 1>an expedition you go for an expedition in Colorado that
<v Speaker 1>that if anybody wanted to attend the Colorado on you
<v Speaker 1>could just rite. As soon as that one ends, you
<v Speaker 1>could come down in New Mexico. That's just kind of
<v Speaker 1>why we get started on Monday. Officially it's Thursday through Sunday,
<v Speaker 1>but income as early as Monday if you want and.
<v Speaker 2>Where we can find all that information on the BFRO web.
<v Speaker 1>I assume, yeah, bfl dot net and there's all the
<v Speaker 1>expeditions and stuff, and there's a lot of fun there.
<v Speaker 1>You know, you got to pay a little bit of money,
<v Speaker 1>but ours, we have food provided, like three meals. We
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of researchers will come on, especially ours,
<v Speaker 1>because it's so unique. It's going to be on a
<v Speaker 1>Native American reservation, which is a privilege to be able
<v Speaker 1>to do it and have the permission to go on there.
<v Speaker 1>Really really cool area that's like our main base camp area.
<v Speaker 1>The ranch area is over seven thousand feet trees and
<v Speaker 1>really cool rock formations. You'll find old pottery and things
<v Speaker 1>up in these canyons that are there. There's old bubble
<v Speaker 1>and ruins in there, like Anastasi sell ruins. There's just
<v Speaker 1>just meeting the people there and they open up about
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. Even the game Morton's came last year
<v Speaker 1>and they're talking about their experiences. It is just amazing,
<v Speaker 1>and it's like once you leave there, you feel like
<v Speaker 1>you're a part of your family. They're just super genuine
<v Speaker 1>people that their lifestyle and everything's less family oriented, and yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's what we're going to do be a furro dot
<v Speaker 1>net if you're interested in any of them really anywhere
<v Speaker 1>in the country. If you guys do it, it's just
<v Speaker 1>it's not all crazy finding bigfoot TV show type thing.
<v Speaker 1>It's meeting people that are totally into the subject. You'll
<v Speaker 1>get to probably play with some really cool gear that
<v Speaker 1>people have, dip your toe in it or jump right
<v Speaker 1>in like I did, and it's it's a fun way
<v Speaker 1>to get involved in it.
<v Speaker 2>What sort of stuff do you have planned specifically for
<v Speaker 2>your trip, Like, what kind of things are you going
<v Speaker 2>to be doing.
<v Speaker 1>We'll be doing for sure. We didn't I walks and
<v Speaker 1>looking tracks. There's a canyon that's up off of our
<v Speaker 1>main base camp that we're kind of leaving uh sanitary,
<v Speaker 1>Like we'll go in there, but we're not going to
<v Speaker 1>camp in it, so we think that's an approach place
<v Speaker 1>that they come down. There's a lot of acorns and
<v Speaker 1>stuff in there, and we've heard sounds there's a there's
<v Speaker 1>a resident bear that lives up in there too. We're
<v Speaker 1>going to do we'll have audio uh listening at night
<v Speaker 1>with like parabolic and you know, just do night walks
<v Speaker 1>with calls. We had callbacks last year the pretty cool
<v Speaker 1>uh callbacks. You know the thing about the expeditions, You
<v Speaker 1>don't have to like go out and hike all night.
<v Speaker 1>You can you can sit at camp and listen. You
<v Speaker 1>can do literally nothing just listen to the stories. You
<v Speaker 1>can really get involved and do stuff all day all night.
<v Speaker 1>We'll have a whole different bunch of different activities kind
<v Speaker 1>of that's mostly it's just interaction with other people. That
<v Speaker 1>that's probably eighty percent of it at a BFR expedition,
<v Speaker 1>learning and using equipment and then you know, having people
<v Speaker 1>show you their techniques of what they're doing. To look
<v Speaker 1>for these things, we do drives, We drive around at night,
<v Speaker 1>drive around the day, go check out the whole area.
<v Speaker 1>There's all kinds of ponds and stuff, so we look
<v Speaker 1>for tracks in those. Because he's got the water isn't
<v Speaker 1>like just everywhere. It's a little bit more spread outs,
<v Speaker 1>but they're going to come to water, so check those
<v Speaker 1>areas out.
<v Speaker 2>BOYD, thanks for coming on here and sharing some of
<v Speaker 2>your insight and your stories. I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Man,
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have to keep in touch.
<v Speaker 1>Now. I am out and we're walking out here anytime,
<v Speaker 1>and definitely it's a cool area. Colorado is cool. And
<v Speaker 1>my bud's up in Washington State too, that's a that's
<v Speaker 1>another family of mine too, and we got some great
<v Speaker 1>projects going on up there that you can interview those guys.
<v Speaker 1>But they developed a new thermal camera that we're putting out.
<v Speaker 1>I think there's eight of them built now, and there's
<v Speaker 1>a motion activated thermal camera that's pretty high tech and
<v Speaker 1>we just had a new camera set built for it
<v Speaker 1>and there's a two point o version of it out now.
<v Speaker 1>So basically, anything that moves with around four hundred yards
<v Speaker 1>of the camera, it's going to get captured. So hopefully
<v Speaker 1>we'll have a one where you can count the eyelashes
<v Speaker 1>on it in one of our photos. It gets captured
<v Speaker 1>up there, so hopefully that happens. But yeah, thanks for
<v Speaker 1>having me on, Matt. I hope I didn't tuck your
<v Speaker 1>ear off.
<v Speaker 2>Oh not at all, not at all. I enjoyed it.
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