Episode 2: Dogs Eating Poop

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I'm Jane Messineo Lindquist.

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And I'm Mark Lindquist.

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And this is.

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Madcap Radio.

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Hi, Jane.

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Hi, Mark. How are you? I'm doing great.

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How about you?

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I'm doing good. Good.

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We are gathered here together today

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to talk about ...

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eating stool.

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We have to gather for that.

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We are gathering.

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We're gathering.

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Well, you know, because it's a big deal.

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It's a big deal.

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Dogs eating poop.

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I would

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I would agree with that, I guess.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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It causes a lot of consternation.

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There is a multimillion dollar industry.

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In eating poop.

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In preventing eating poop.

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All those additives for the foods
and all the behavior

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modifications and

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I'm going to plot spoil it for you.

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Does that mean I can leave early?

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Yes, if you want.

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Anybody can leave early if they want.

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But here's
what I'm going to tell you two things.

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Number one, stool eating dogs

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is a completely normal
and natural behavior

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and might even be indicative
of some positive temperament traits.

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Number one.

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And number two,

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the only proven way to stop stool eating

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is to pick up the stool.

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But, you know, as much as

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stool eating is not a behavioral problem.

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It is a problem.

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It's an emotional problem.

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Well,

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I didn't know dogs have emotions.

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Well, they do have emotions,
but it's not their emotional problem.

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It's the human's emotional problem.

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Oh, because people just have this

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incredible revulsion,
and I don't blame them.

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It's gross ...

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I was going to say I would. Right?

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Yeah. I agree with that. It's gross.

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But so what I want to talk about

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is some of the evolutionary reasons

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why we think dogs eat stool.

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And my hope is that,

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you know, listen, I don't advocate

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accepting that your dog eats poop or,

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you know, letting your dog kiss you
after he eats poop.

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But I hope at least it takes away

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some of the crazy emotion
that people have about it.

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Because, you know,
I was reading this study

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and we're going to talk
a lot more about the study.

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And they were talking about

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the fact that apparently some dog owners

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resort to euthanasia
or request euthanasia for dogs.

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Yes, Seriously?

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Yes I'm telling you. I'm telling you what?

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Because we just have,

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you know,

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issues with defecation.

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I mean, we're very,
you know, funny about that as humans.

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I would agree the whole defecation thing.

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That's why we have bad days. Yeah.

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There's nothing better than a clean butt
I mean, you know.

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Well, dogs
don't really have to worry about that

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because they don't have butt cheeks,
so they just go.

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That's true.

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And with any luck, there's another dog
eating it as it's coming out.

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Oh, my gosh.

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I know.

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Okay.

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Anyway, listen, here's the thing.

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I'm also going to cut to the chase
about what you can do about

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stool eating in dogs and none of the food

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additives work.

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So this study and it's a great study.

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Well, that's kind of going out on a limb.

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No, it's not going out on a limb.
Are you sure about that?

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What if somebody takes you on with this?

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Well,
by all means, apropos of our last podcast,

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which is being wrong,
I would be excited if it turned out that

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there was something, you know, new
that they found out about this.

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But one of the things
that they talk about in the study

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and I'm going to tell you the name
and I will put it up on the show page

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and I hope I can pronounce
this is the paradox of canine con specific

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coprophagia. Pro

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co-pro-phagia I guess is how you say it.

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It's not a word that you,
you know, bandy about a lot.

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What's the word mean?

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It means poop eating.

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Poop eating.

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Yeah.

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And corn specific means the same species.

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So they're talking about the paradox

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of canines eating dog canine poop.

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And it's by Benjamin Hart

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is the lead author on that.

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So I will put that up.

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Was a study done through university
or was it done?

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Department of Anatomy, Physiology
and Cell Biology

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School of Veterinary Medicine,
University of California Davis.

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Wow. Great. Yeah. So it's a great study.

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And, you know, they start the study
by saying that it's interesting that

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it's such a big topic, but there's been
almost no research really done on it.

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So they put together a survey of 2500

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dog owners and they found that 25%

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of the dogs eat stool. And

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so they wanted to test

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the theory, for instance,
that it's a dietary deficiency.

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Sometimes they'll say dogs eat poop
because there's a dietary deficiency,

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that it can be behaviorally modified.

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They wanted to test whether this,
you know, the food additives work.

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So they tested or they had people test

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and they took a survey on

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the top 11

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food additive deterrents.

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And the results were

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the top performer

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had a 2% reduction.

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Top performer being the additives?

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Yeah, the top performing additive show
had a 2% reduction in stool eating.

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Most of them were zero.

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Most of them had no effect at all.

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But yet people keep buying them.

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And then they
they looked at behavior modification. And

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I'm going to read you the list of things
that people tried to do.

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Chase away from stools,

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reward the successful command of
leave it alone

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lace stools with pepper

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punished by electronic
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And the reported success rate was 1 to 2%,

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except for leave it alone,
which was slightly higher at 4%.

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Now Wait a minute.

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So you're telling me
that the electronic shock. Mm.

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Was less of a deterrent
than the verbal commands?

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That's correct.

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That's so that's a pretty strong

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drive for a dog to overcome that
and still eat the stool.

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Right.

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And the hypothesis of the
the researchers is that if,

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if it is a behavioral abnormality
as opposed to a natural behavior,

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it should be susceptible
to behavior modification fairly easily.

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And it's not it's really persistent.

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Now, to be fair, they

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cited another study

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where the owners had used
citronella collars

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to deter dogs from eating stool

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and in that study, it was

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14 dogs as opposed to 2500 dogs.

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But of those 14 Labrador retrievers,

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they had an 83% reduction

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in stool
eating by using the citronella collar.

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However,
they did not track long term results.

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You know, the thing about punishment
is that it works,

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but you have to keep it up.

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So maybe a citronella

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collar or or saying no or leave
it would work.

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But you would have to be out there
every time the dog's anywhere near poop

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to maintain that nexus between the poop
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We'll just pick it up if you're going
to spend that amount of time.

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I mean, that is the only thing
that has been shown to work

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is just clean up the poop,
you know, clean it up.

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But, you know, that kind of again, that.

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And then that brings us back
to the question of like, why are people

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so obsessed with trying to stop it?

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Because I think the problem is that,

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I mean, you have to stand in there anyway
and yell at the dog or tell the dog

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not to eat it or, you know, see the dog
so you can hit the shock collar.

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Some advantages of it, though.

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Keeps the yard clean It’s a closed system.

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Yeah, hermetically sealed.

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But, you know,
the thing is that it's because it's like

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the silent scream,
you know, you see that poop,

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and it's just like,
oh, the dog's eating poop.

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I mean, it's
just such an emotional thing for people.

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And they want ...

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they don't ...

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it's not enough
that the dog doesn't eat the poop.

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They don't want the dog
to want to eat the poop.

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Well, I think that's more of what drives
most people

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is they perceive just, you know,
disgusting, disgusting, habit, deviant.

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It's yeah.

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It's just really out of the norm
for humans.

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And I can emphasize with that.

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Just well, it is out of the norm for
humans and we're going to talk about that.

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We are fundamentally different than dogs.

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I mean.

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You don't say.

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Well,
our insides are fundamentally different.

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We are
we have an omnivores digestive system.

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So a dog has a very short

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digestive system
and extremely high stomach acid.

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And there's a lot of it
and it's very acid.

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In fact, at the point
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food, it goes, one study, said

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as low as battery acid, like that's
how acidic they are.

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That's why they can eat carrion.

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They eat things that are, have been dead
for a week and they just gobble it up

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and it's like delicious aged meat,
you know, roadkill.

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Yeah.

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They just
and they have zero problems with it.

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And in fact, probably their designed
to need some of those probiotics

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that are in there, you know,

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so it's not harmful for them.

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And in fact, they're designed to eat

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they're designed to eat
this kind of thing.

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They're designed to eat excrement.

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They're designed to eat especially
any kind of herbivore excrement.

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They're designed to eat
carrion, things that are rotten.

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So let me guess.

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You're going to probably go
over the design reason why.

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Right?
Well, let's just talk about the theories.

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There's, so there's three big theories

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about why dogs eat poop.

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But, nose work, we're adding some nose
work, some nutrition.

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There's going to be an amazing cast
of luminaries teaching there. Yes.

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So puppyculture.com.

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And madcapuniversity.com.

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So there's three main schools of thought
about why dogs eat stool.

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The first one is

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just a purely functional mechanical
keeping the den area clean,

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that if there's any kind of stool
around the den area

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it can breed pathogens

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and, you know, disease.

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It's dirty.

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Literally, it's dirty.

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So they keep it clean.

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Then there is the school of thought that

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the reason dogs and wild canids eat stool

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is to prevent the spread of parasites.

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And it's really fascinating
because the one thing that they

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definitely revealed in the study

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is that almost 90% of the stool

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eating only happened with fresh stool
less than two days old.

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That dogs in general
do not eat stool over two days old.

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And the researchers in the UC Davis study

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hypothesize that this is because

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when the dog shed the parasite eggs

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in their stool, it takes two days
for them to reach an infectious state.

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So any time

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before the two days that they eat it,

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it's not going to infect them.

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So they can take it away

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and dispose of it
by eating it before it becomes infectious.

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If they wait longer than two days
after two days, what happens is

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if they ingested, it
will infect them with the parasites and

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if they like, rub against it,
or if it's just in the grass

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and you know, it gets on them because
the stool has spread into the grass

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and it gets on their fur

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and then they lick their fur,
they will be infected with the parasite.

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So yeah, it's it's kind of interesting.

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It's natural parasite control

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that could serve
a really important function.

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You were saying something?

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Well, I was just going to talk about how,
at least for us as breeders,

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we don't have a problem.

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In fact, we're excited when the bitch
will actually clean her puppies.

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Yeah.

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And for some reason
we don't have a problem with that.

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But once they ...

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if that same bitch goes out and eats poo.

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Well, but. Becomes an issue.

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I've mentioned this before
that when I see a bitch go out and eat

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poop, I'm like, Yeah,
because I've seen a correlation.

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And this is just my own

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observation

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between bitches that will and will not eat
stool

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and bitches that do
and do not want to clean their puppies.

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Well, like
Bijou would not touch poop outside ever.

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I've never seen her eat poop and darn
if she would not clean those puppies.

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It was really an uphill battle.

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She finally did in the end,
but really very halfheartedly.

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Whereas the ones that,

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you know, eat poop, they have no problem
with cleaning those puppies.

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I mean, even my males, you know,
even our males have cleaned puppies.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah, he is good at that.

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Mm. So you know, that's another,

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that's another school of thought
then the third school of thought

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is that

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they are colonizing their gut microbiota

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by eating the stool of the other dogs.

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So again, you know,

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you just have to take it away from,
you know, your

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gut, no, no pun intended reaction

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that it's disgusting and it's like
the ultimate fermented food to them.

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I mean, they are literally inoculating
their gut

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with whatever's
in all the rest of the other dogs.

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I noticed that they do
quite a bit of sniffing prior to

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sitting down
and having their gourmet meal.

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Oh, do they? Is there a reason for that?

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Theo does that.

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I've noticed. He's checking it out.

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He's checking to see if it.

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Who knows.

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He's probably.
Yeah, reading, reading all that.

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It's like

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it's like a health status bulletin.

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He's going to read the whole thing
and then just dispose of it. Yep.

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So, you know,
I think that is an interesting,

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the gut colonization thing
is an interesting thing, too. And,

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you know, just by the by,

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they have used fecal transplants
in parvo cases where puppies have parvo

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and they have found that

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it helps reduce the amount of time
that they have diarrhea.

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Wow. Right.

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I will put that study up, too,
because that was interesting.

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So those are your big three things,
you know, kind of schools

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of thought about the evolutionary reasons
why dogs might do that.

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And I think probably it's
all of the above.

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I mean, I think that it
you know, it's an amazing

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behavior, actually,
that that really serves the dogs well.

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Well, you know, now you have a different
look at it

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when you see your dog out there
eating stool.

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Right.

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I mean. Okay. Right.

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I'm not saying that we want to embrace it.

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You know, we don't.

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Because the truth is that, yes,
we could get sick

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from a dog that has feces in its mouth,
licking our face.

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And, you know, it's
distasteful at the very least.

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So I'm not saying, oh, it's natural.

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Let them do it. No, just pick it up.
You know, pick up the poop.

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And if you have a lot of dogs,
I understand it's a challenge.

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I don't particularly like dogs
licking my face for this reason.

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But, you know, it's natural. It's not

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it's not
like there's anything wrong with the dog.

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And more than anything else,

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I want people to feel differently
about it,

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not accept it, but just not be

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repulsed to the point where it's

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damaging their feelings about the dog
because that's common.

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I mean, people really can feel

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have negative feelings about their dog
and it can hurt their bond.

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And I've heard, you know,
or have read that

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people feel it's a tremendously driven
by behavior, that they think that there's

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something wrong with their dog
constantly eating stool.

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Hmm. Well, that and that is really
the whole point of this.

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And that was the point of the UC

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Davis study
that people think it's a deviant behavior,

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that it's a problem, you know,
some kind of compulsive behavior problem.

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And they went through all the,
you know, they surveyed for separation

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anxiety, excessive barking
aggression, compulsive behaviors.

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They did not find any correlation

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between stool eating
and any other behavior problem.

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You know, and another

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behavioral thing
just this is a little bit of a sidebar,

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but super interesting about dogs
eating poop is

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I was watching a Trish McConnell lecture

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and she talked about

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the fact that

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there's a theory that one of the ways

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that dogs became domesticated,
and now this is going to be really gross,

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is that when humans started living

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in agricultural settlement, like,
they started settling as opposing

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to be as opposed to being hunter
gatherers and wandering, you know,

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what's going to be on the outside of that

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settlement poop, human poop.

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And the dogs would come and eat the poop.

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And there's some people who hypothesize

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that that could have been really
the start of domestication of dogs.

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Wow. Right.

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So we really

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bond over poop

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with dogs.

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So, you know, another thing that
people often think with dogs eating stool

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is that it's a dietary deficiency, that
they're lacking something in their diet

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and they're trying to get it
by eating feces.

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And this study, again,

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2500 dogs
eating all different kinds of diets,

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zero correlation between what they eat

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in their diet and stool eating.

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Meaning to say that their diets
were diverse from kibble

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excuse me, kibble to fresh raw
cooked everything.

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Everything in between and no,
no correlation.

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So you know that that check that box off.

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It's not.

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Wow, it's not a dietary thing, right?

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Because that's another thing
that you just kind of feel bad like, oh,

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my dog missing something.

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They're eating poop. Yeah, but I would.

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I would.

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Yeah, I would absolutely.
I would think that.

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What am I doing wrong?

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The only correlations they found,
which this is pretty interesting.

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Well, the first one is greedy eating,

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you know, gulping their food,
really stabbing it and gulping their food.

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Not resource
guarding, though, just greedy eating.

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No, no correlation
with resource guarding only greedy eating,

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which is maybe not surprising,
I guess, you know.

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Humans do it.

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Well, I'm saying, like the dogs were
just were voracious eaters and they would,

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you know.

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Were there are the other dogs around
that they were afraid that the other...

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I don't know the answer to that.

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I mean, obviously there was a correlation
to multiple dogs in the household.

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That makes sense
because they have more opportunity to.

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But it also kind of points to it being
a little bit more of a pack behavior,

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because if there's more dogs,
they're kind of, you know,

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passing around their gut biome,
keeping their pack clean.

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You know, it's
that actually stands to reason

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that that that would go more towards
an evolutionary reason.

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So a dog that has parasites
or a dog that is sick

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and defecates
and then another dog eats it,

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is there a chance that the dog
that’s eating the stool could

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get any of ... diseases.

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Yeah, that's a good question.

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You know, the study

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actually broke it down into some detail

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about the kinds of parasites and pathogens
that are found in stool

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and the infectiousness of it,
you know, over time.

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So, you know, rather
than giving a recitation of all that,

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I would leave it to people, you know.

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As a summary, is there is there any health
benefits for the eater?

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Oh, you mean kind of like homeopathic?

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Yeah, I mean, I know.

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Is there benefits to it
or they don't know about that.

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Yeah, it really again,
it really hasn't been studied

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that much,
but they did find a correlation.

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And this is interesting
in between certain breeds ...

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Shelties, Shelties way overrepresented,
whereas 25%

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of the overall population of dogs

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eat stool, 41% of Shelties do it

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now and then here's the kicker Poodles.

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They combine standard, miniature and toy.

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Not one Poodle,

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not one eight stool.

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How many how many poodles?

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You know?

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Oh, I wonder if I could.

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Know how how many? If I want a poodle.

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If I want a Poodle?

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29 Poodles.

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And not one. Not one.

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27 Shelties.

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41% of them. Wow. Yeah.

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Pretty crazy.

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Great to hear some feedback
from the Sheltie people to find out.

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If that's a thing.

480
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If it's a thing or maybe
and maybe they can shed light ...

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And the Poodle people I'd like to hear
if there's a Poodle person.

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Well, I guess you know,
I guess again, it points to the fact

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that it's some sort of innate
genetic behavior

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that maybe we've bred out of some
breeds or not, you know, but

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it's it's there.

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It's there.

487
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Yeah, but it's not behavioral.

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No, it's not a behavioral abnormality.

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It is behavioral like they do it.

490
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Right, but it's normal dog behavior,
healthy dog behavior, as a matter of fact.

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And they have not look to say that
there is a situation that by them eating

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that could make them sick, which would be

493
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which probably everybody would think
would be an issue.

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Right? No, but no.

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And for all those reasons
that we talked about with the whole way

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that the dog, dogs,
intestine and digestive system.

497
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Right. Yeah.

498
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You know, but it's so interesting
because I was having

499
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a conversation with somebody and
we are talking about food and she said,

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you know, I used to really worry
about what I fed my dog.

501
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,160
And I mean, this is a prominent, you know,
well-respected, intelligent person.

502
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,880
She said, you know, I used to really worry
about what I fed my dog.

503
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,600
And then, you know,
I just noticed my dog, that dogs will eat,

504
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,360
roadkill, will eat any kind of -
they’ll eat poop.

505
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:16,200
I mean, so, you know, I can just feed them
the cheapest kibble and, you know, corn

506
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,560
doesn't matter. They they eat, they eat

507
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,920
dog poop, you know, they eat deer poop.

508
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,320
They can eat this.

509
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,800
And I said, well, you know,
I think that's just a very like species

510
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,840
centric view, because to you,

511
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:38,640
deer poop is pure garbage,
but to a dog, it's a delicacy.

512
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,240
It's good for them.

513
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,360
It's inoculating them
with whatever was in the deer stomach.

514
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,600
They're getting all the vegetables
predigested, which the dogs don't have

515
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,760
the saliva to digest the vegetables to
break down the cellulose they don't have

516
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,560
their intestines are too fast
and efficient to to eat vegetables.

517
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,040
So they are basically letting the deer
do all the work

518
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,960
with, you know, chew it up, digest it.

519
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,720
They're letting the herbivore
do the work for them of eating.

520
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,000
I mean, this is great food to them.

521
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,480
So, you know,
we tend to be very, you know,

522
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,280
like species centric.

523
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,720
Like we
can only see it through our own lens.

524
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,080
And that that can be, first of all, damage
emotionally

525
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,920
how we feel about our dogs
because we perceive it as gross.

526
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,440
And number two,
you know, ultimately make bad choices

527
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:41,440
for our dogs based on our prejudices.

528
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,440
So is the eating of stool go across all

529
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,400
with dogs, across other animals?

530
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,040
Like will they eat a week old deer poop?

531
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,520
Well, that's interesting.

532
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,400
Yeah, they didn't study that again.

533
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,640
You know, in my experience
and having had dogs and horses

534
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,560
most of my life, yeah,
it would be mostly fresh horse manure.

535
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,400
They're not going to go over
to the manure.

536
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,200
I've never in my entire life seen a dog
go to the manure pile

537
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,400
and, you know, dig down into it
and start eating rotten manure.

538
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,080
I mean, they're always
after the fresh ....

539
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,960
Fresh stuff. The fresh droppings. Yeah,

540
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,840
but again, that's just anecdotal.

541
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,520
My, my experience. Wow. Hmm. Fascinating.

542
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,600
Yes, I have a different look at when they
go out in the morning and eat poo now.

543
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,280
Mm hmm.

544
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,440
I will have to reevaluate.

545
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,800
You're going have to put on your rubber
boots and get out there and pick it out.

546
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,000
Pick it up.

547
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,040
Well, hey,
I mean, so that's. It's good for them.

548
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,240
Yeah, else
let them do the vacuuming for me.

549
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,720
Why not?

550
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,480
Why not?

551
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,440
Well, or buy five or six Shelties.

552
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,360
There you go. I can rent them.

553
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:48,640
Rent some Shelties.

554
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,360
Rent some Shelties,
have them come over once a week.

555
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:52,560
Yeah.

556
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,440
That no, they'd have to come over
every two days, every other day.

557
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,080
That's true. Invite them over.

558
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:57,520
Depending how many dogs you have.

559
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,840
Yeah. Wow.

560
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,560
Yeah.

561
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Well, very interesting subject
that you brought up.

562
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,400
I have no idea what you know, made
you decide out of all the topics

563
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,000
of everything that we've discussed
that you wanted to talk about dogs

564
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,640
eating, poop, did something happen?

565
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,240
You know, I found the study, and I.

566
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,960
I just was like, wow,

567
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,520
it's something that has sort of always

568
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,920
been there in the back of my mind
as like, oh, an annoyance, an annoying

569
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,560
sort of problem that I couldn't
solve and I didn't have a solution.

570
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,920
And I think the thing that

571
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,120
resonates for me about this topic

572
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440
is how in Puppy Culture,

573
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,720
again and again,
I'm faced with the concept of

574
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,160
just let's not try and solve problems

575
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,400
that don't need to be solved
if it's developmental or natural.

576
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,880
You know, let's just not call it a problem
and make a big deal out of it.

577
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,040
Let's just,
you know, work around it, manage it,

578
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,600
and either wait for the animal
to grow out of it or manage it.

579
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,720
And this is a perfect example of that,

580
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,360
something that is perceived as a problem,
which, you know, guess what?

581
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,640
You don't really have to solve it.

582
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:23,760
You can’t solve it.

583
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,640
Well, it's nice to know.
I mean, it makes it. Liberating.

584
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,040
When you look at it again,
there's some benefit to it

585
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,120
which makes it makes it view
you view it very differently.

586
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,240
Now, at least for me.

587
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,920
It doesn't
leave a bad taste in your mouth.

588
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,360
Oh, touch or however they do that.

589
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,800
Well, I have to say,
it's pretty interesting conversation.

590
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:42,360
All right.

591
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,760
Dinner topic.

592
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,480
No, I wouldn't say. Well. If you're a dog.

593
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,040
That's true.

594
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,720
Dinner was good talking to you Jane.

595
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,320
Good talking to you. Alright.