Ep. 421: A TLF Tribute to Sabu (Part 3)

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<v Speaker 5>If you all been a plastic and pose.
<v Speaker 10>Came to an end for Sabou, a sudden end, and
<v Speaker 10>so perhaps the TLFT tribute to Sabu needs to hit
<v Speaker 10>an ABRUPTND as well as I'm thinking through all the
<v Speaker 10>things sadly did in his career and all the matches
<v Speaker 10>he had across the world. This is just skimming the
<v Speaker 10>surface in a lot of ways.
<v Speaker 3>What we've done here.
<v Speaker 10>We've hit a lot of high points and undercovered points,
<v Speaker 10>and didn't cover a lot of really significant matches and
<v Speaker 10>angles and stories that he did. But it's time to
<v Speaker 10>really accelerate the timeline here because we've gotten a taste
<v Speaker 10>we had already had planning the archives about some of
<v Speaker 10>his key stuff, from Barely Legal to the Terry Funk
<v Speaker 10>match and much else, the Second Nitro where he had
<v Speaker 10>that short lived and fascinating w c W run.
<v Speaker 3>We did One night Stand two.
<v Speaker 10>Thousand and six, where his match with way Miss Terio
<v Speaker 10>stands out as one of the best he had and
<v Speaker 10>kind of a real chance to show what he still
<v Speaker 10>could do after the wrestling business that released the Big
<v Speaker 10>Two had kind of forgotten about him, yeah, as a
<v Speaker 10>going concern worth pursuing. And so now we're going to
<v Speaker 10>just look at a part of his career that is
<v Speaker 10>undercovered but is probably more than we're willing to admit
<v Speaker 10>based on age Boss the time that a lot of
<v Speaker 10>people that are kind of prime aged wrestling fans today
<v Speaker 10>probably got their first exposure to Sabou in the mid
<v Speaker 10>two thousands, As sickening as that is. Do you remember
<v Speaker 10>him being on WrestleMania Detroit when we went in two
<v Speaker 10>thousand and seven.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't remember him being. I remember there
<v Speaker 3>being in ECW, like it wasn't there. There were like
<v Speaker 3>ECW Originals versus the New Extremists or something.
<v Speaker 10>Like that, exactly right, and the originals got their hands
<v Speaker 10>raised at the end, and he was one.
<v Speaker 3>Of them, which which totally defeats the purpose of you know,
<v Speaker 3>of like, you know, pushing the new guys, the new breed. Yeah.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it was kind of fitting because Detroit, right being
<v Speaker 10>his uncle the sheikh Stomping Grounds where he built the
<v Speaker 10>wrestling empire and where he trained Sabo as well as
<v Speaker 10>Rob van Dam who was also an EACW original in
<v Speaker 10>that match. But that was all kind of a symptomatic
<v Speaker 10>of WWE's ill fated to resurrect DCW in two thousand
<v Speaker 10>and five, and naturally, with Paul Hayman being given somewhat
<v Speaker 10>the reins to put that first one night show together.
<v Speaker 3>Well did they really? Was it really done? And I
<v Speaker 3>thought it was like later because I thought the it
<v Speaker 3>wasn't one night stand in two thousand and five.
<v Speaker 10>That's why I said, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Because it didn't like didn't didn't that was a one
<v Speaker 3>night thing.
<v Speaker 10>You're talking me about the weekly TV show?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Oh, you're just talking about ACW in general.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, that came. The weekly TV piece came in O six.
<v Speaker 10>I'm pretty sure, right, Okay, starting Yeah, I was thinking, yeah, yep, indeed.
<v Speaker 10>And you know, they put Paul Hayman in control of
<v Speaker 10>that first show, and he's going to do all the
<v Speaker 10>things that come to mind to keep the authentic experience together.
<v Speaker 10>And of course Sabo's going to get a phone call,
<v Speaker 10>which led to a kind of a fascinating reuniting of
<v Speaker 10>Paul Hayman and Sabu and if you hear Saboo tell it.
<v Speaker 10>And a lot of people sort of tisk tisked Paul
<v Speaker 10>Hayman for ditching Saboo and perhaps not being as uh
<v Speaker 10>not not paying a heartfelt tribute to the man upon
<v Speaker 10>his death. And they had a complicated history, as we
<v Speaker 10>talked about, but get Sabo in there for that WWPA
<v Speaker 10>day five six seven, you know, say what you will,
<v Speaker 10>but that was probably the best money he ever made
<v Speaker 10>in the business.
<v Speaker 3>For all the risks he.
<v Speaker 10>Took, all the miles he traveled, and uh, it was
<v Speaker 10>just so wwe and that they took what was magic
<v Speaker 10>about Saboo and they just didn't stop until it was
<v Speaker 10>like basically, you know, gutted. It was basically new toleed.
<v Speaker 10>Because do you think if if someone comes into the
<v Speaker 10>company and tells Vince McMahon that their whole stock in
<v Speaker 10>trade is they don't talk and they never talk and
<v Speaker 10>that's why they're a drawing card, do you think Vince
<v Speaker 10>McMahon is going to do anything until he's in the
<v Speaker 10>grave besides obsessed with forcing that person to talk.
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I mean, these are I understand that
<v Speaker 3>you know that you don't have a that in the past,
<v Speaker 3>so you're gimmick is you don't you don't speak? I
<v Speaker 3>see and listen. I wanted to say, from the bottom
<v Speaker 3>of my heart, I respect that, but how did you
<v Speaker 3>put a program? It's not how we do things here now.
<v Speaker 3>Can you explain to me how you've got a program
<v Speaker 3>over if you didn't say, you know, like, hey, you know,
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be wrestling this guy at this at
<v Speaker 3>this place, on this event, so so just please indulge
<v Speaker 3>me tell me exactly how you did it, because I
<v Speaker 3>want to understand how you did it with silence. Well,
<v Speaker 3>I talked by using my body as a weapon. No, no,
<v Speaker 3>you did. No, you didn't talk, so you didn't talk,
<v Speaker 3>So you can't say that you talk through anything else
<v Speaker 3>because you said you had no fucking voice. Well I would.
<v Speaker 10>How about you think about it as undertaker when he
<v Speaker 10>first came to work for you, and how long he
<v Speaker 10>didn't talk?
<v Speaker 3>He had a talker for him, right, so I have
<v Speaker 3>a talker for me. No, we don't do there anymore.
<v Speaker 3>That that is an extinct practice.
<v Speaker 10>And the last time I offered that, Pal, I offered
<v Speaker 10>the iron cheek when I wanted you to be the
<v Speaker 10>sultan and you rejected me, Pal.
<v Speaker 3>And exactly you see, See, you know I gave you
<v Speaker 3>that option. So it wasn't your uncle, who you know,
<v Speaker 3>I apparently have to kiss his ass to get your respect.
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know who your uncle is, Okay, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know what the fuck you where you came from.
<v Speaker 3>I don't care.
<v Speaker 10>You're not even the bottom line, are you even a
<v Speaker 10>Rabiand aren't you levin ease?
<v Speaker 11>Like?
<v Speaker 3>Why are you so mad that just honestly, what are you?
<v Speaker 12>What are you?
<v Speaker 3>In general?
<v Speaker 10>Well, I'm gonna tell you what you are from this
<v Speaker 10>day forward. A talker.
<v Speaker 3>You know you are. You're a fucking parrot. Wow, you're
<v Speaker 3>a fucking cockatoo. You're gonna say everything I tell you
<v Speaker 3>to say. You're gonna go out on that easy fucking
<v Speaker 3>W television show, my show, my brand, I own e
<v Speaker 3>c W.
<v Speaker 10>And let me tell you, pal, all those years you
<v Speaker 10>thought you were rebelling against what my company was doing,
<v Speaker 10>the only reason that existed, the only reason that Lights
<v Speaker 10>could stay on was because of my back door funneling
<v Speaker 10>of the whole thing.
<v Speaker 3>Don't forget who's been behind your paycheck your entire fucking career.
<v Speaker 3>It's not Paulman, It's me. Understand me. And if I
<v Speaker 3>tell you to go out there in the center of
<v Speaker 3>the ring and you tell all these idiot fans who
<v Speaker 3>like this bullshit entertainment, my entertainment, Championship Wrestling, you will
<v Speaker 3>tell them I will be giving free blow jobs in
<v Speaker 3>the parking lot in fifteen minutes, and you will say it.
<v Speaker 3>You'll say it otherwise you won't leave the ring alive.
<v Speaker 10>You probably won't anyway, but this is a guarantee.
<v Speaker 3>It was I will have I will have armed riflemen,
<v Speaker 3>one in each section of seating with a barrel aimed
<v Speaker 3>at your head.
<v Speaker 10>So it's like all and that you get to Vincent eventually,
<v Speaker 10>you know, Defiles, the last step is always getting slapped
<v Speaker 10>in the face, no matter how grand your career was
<v Speaker 10>and your contributions on a long time since we've heard
<v Speaker 10>from Vince in that kind of free form right there,
<v Speaker 10>it's almost like he's got the wind at his sales
<v Speaker 10>forming a new company to make acquisitions in the entertainment space.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, acquisitions. Honestly, it's the greatest. That is
<v Speaker 3>the greatest. You know what logline slogan for a company
<v Speaker 3>I've ever seen in my entire life. Absolutely, it makes
<v Speaker 3>no fucking sense.
<v Speaker 10>So for Saboo, it would be a time in the
<v Speaker 10>national limelight that he sort of was pursuing, but not
<v Speaker 10>not on anything but his own terms. All those years
<v Speaker 10>when he was the red hot independent sensation. He was
<v Speaker 10>perfectly happy to live that lifestyle unless you know, someone
<v Speaker 10>named a much much bigger price, and you know he
<v Speaker 10>was he was flirting on the periphery, he was on nitro,
<v Speaker 10>he was on raw, but it was always just for
<v Speaker 10>these fleeting flash moments where they they couldn't really pardon
<v Speaker 10>the pun of the flash funk match that we talked
<v Speaker 10>about last time on the Tribute. But it's not like
<v Speaker 10>Saboo didn't get a taste of the spotlight, you know,
<v Speaker 10>It's not like he was cut out of it. He
<v Speaker 10>did get a taste every time he retreated to the vagabond.
<v Speaker 3>Lifestyle, you know.
<v Speaker 10>And and so this this period O five six and
<v Speaker 10>the resurrection of ECW by WWE was a unique opportunity
<v Speaker 10>for Sabou to sell out without selling out, you know.
<v Speaker 10>It's like he doesn't have to go to work for
<v Speaker 10>the Big two. He went back to work kind of
<v Speaker 10>for ECW. And the reason he's being hired presumably is
<v Speaker 10>to be what he was in ECW and be what
<v Speaker 10>he meant to ECW for this new ECW, which, if
<v Speaker 10>you remember, Boston, I'm sure you do. In the earliest
<v Speaker 10>days of this resurrection, it really seemed like they were
<v Speaker 10>going to mine their p's and q's and really try
<v Speaker 10>to stick and hue to the original spirit of ECW
<v Speaker 10>and really trying to do something that seemed different from
<v Speaker 10>the rest of WWE.
<v Speaker 3>I do and I was actually you know, for not
<v Speaker 3>being an ECW fan. I mean that at the time,
<v Speaker 3>I was so longing for something that felt like it
<v Speaker 3>used to, you know, I was, I was, I was
<v Speaker 3>addicted to that drug, and so I was I was
<v Speaker 3>really I was really hoping that it would be that
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to something different. I wanted to be something
<v Speaker 3>that wasn't as you know, it's kind of funny how,
<v Speaker 3>you know, we thought it was so homogenized then, but
<v Speaker 3>then it got even more homogenized.
<v Speaker 10>Oh yeah, well we had no idea how good we
<v Speaker 10>had it in some ways.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like you know, you look at those those those
<v Speaker 3>those mid two thousands, you know, you don't realize how
<v Speaker 3>fucking great they are compared to some of the leadership
<v Speaker 3>that would go on, And you could still.
<v Speaker 10>Bring in people who had a lot of experience getting
<v Speaker 10>over on their own, who hadn't been a WWE. There
<v Speaker 10>still were a bunch of novelty levers they could pull
<v Speaker 10>with people that actually meant something in the business that
<v Speaker 10>the WW hadn't, you know, sprouted from a seed. And
<v Speaker 10>once we get to like the twenty tens, it's like,
<v Speaker 10>oh my god, the only people they have are these
<v Speaker 10>people getting these these half way educations in their own
<v Speaker 10>developmental system, you know, and people that learn this this
<v Speaker 10>routine kind of patterned wrestling and promo style that when
<v Speaker 10>it gets to the main roster, everybody seems the same.
<v Speaker 3>Right right. And so I was. I listen, I watched
<v Speaker 3>the ECW for like the first few weeks. I definitely did.
<v Speaker 3>I was. I was. I was so desperate for it
<v Speaker 3>to feel like something I can get behind, you know,
<v Speaker 3>But it didn't eventually, as it always happens. And you know,
<v Speaker 3>I went on to just say fuck it and ignore
<v Speaker 3>that as well.
<v Speaker 10>And I'll tell you if you make a chart of
<v Speaker 10>every wrestling television show that's existed in the past twenty
<v Speaker 10>five years and looked at the high point for the
<v Speaker 10>rating from AW Dynamite to the Resurrect at ECW to
<v Speaker 10>Raw on Netflix. If the boss is interested in looking in,
<v Speaker 10>that is the high point of the idea, and it
<v Speaker 10>fades from there. It never gets back there. So true,
<v Speaker 10>if the buzz is such that it lands on his agenda,
<v Speaker 10>you know, they've really achieved something or they have something.
<v Speaker 10>It doesn't mean they're going to take full advantage of it,
<v Speaker 10>but it's there. The spark is there in ECW among
<v Speaker 10>the many things, and Sabou found a place in that
<v Speaker 10>system and really gave it a go as far as
<v Speaker 10>trying to incorporate it to how WW did things and
<v Speaker 10>really try to cash in his chips for all the
<v Speaker 10>risks he took to be so relevant for those years
<v Speaker 10>that he was. But it's not heading. It's not heading
<v Speaker 10>to a place of going off into the sunset. I mean,
<v Speaker 10>nobody we ever talk about ends up going off into
<v Speaker 10>the sunset truly, So Saboo is going to be, of course,
<v Speaker 10>the least of which where are we heading?
<v Speaker 13>Well?
<v Speaker 10>I just sent you in the chat there. One of
<v Speaker 10>the last pictures taken of Saboo before his untimely death
<v Speaker 10>weeks ago at age sixty one, taken backstage, I believe
<v Speaker 10>at the final wrestling show he ever worked, which unbelievably enough,
<v Speaker 10>was all framed around Saboo's last match, and attribute to
<v Speaker 10>the man, take.
<v Speaker 3>A look, what do you see? I see, Randy the
<v Speaker 3>ram That's what I see. I see a one trick pony.
<v Speaker 3>Describe what you see? I mean he is We've got
<v Speaker 3>an aged man who looks well beyond what was he?
<v Speaker 3>How old was he? Sixty one? He looks at least
<v Speaker 3>seventy five. Honestly, if he didn't dye his hair black,
<v Speaker 3>like still dark, he would look seventy five completely.
<v Speaker 10>He's incredibly bloated about the face and chest, but his
<v Speaker 10>arms are skinnier than ever. It's it's such a weird,
<v Speaker 10>it's such a weird disproportion from what he just to carry.
<v Speaker 3>His forehead is a mix of you know, just natural
<v Speaker 3>age lines and scar marks, all right, blade marks, all right,
<v Speaker 3>it's a it's a he's literally got a tic tac
<v Speaker 3>toe board on his fucking face. I mean, the bags
<v Speaker 3>under his eyes. Here's a guy who is so tired.
<v Speaker 3>He's so tired, he's exhausted, he looks miserable, and it's
<v Speaker 3>taken before he died. I mean every picture of him
<v Speaker 3>was taken before he died. I think the blood on
<v Speaker 3>his on his pants is from the final match. I
<v Speaker 3>was gonna say, like, he's he's wearing white pants, that
<v Speaker 3>are they're just smeared like they look like painter's pants.
<v Speaker 3>After a guy who's been spending three days painting your
<v Speaker 3>painting the inside of your house.
<v Speaker 10>Blood, It's like he's one whaling these pants after, yes,
<v Speaker 10>after he just slaughtered ten in a basement.
<v Speaker 3>That he you know, and his skin looks like looks
<v Speaker 3>like leather, like they're like, you look at it and
<v Speaker 3>it just looks like if you touched it it would
<v Speaker 3>be rough. You know, it's kind of got that sid
<v Speaker 3>that sid texture where where it feels like sand almost.
<v Speaker 3>Does that look like you don't feel like skin should
<v Speaker 3>be the countenance of a man who thinks, in the
<v Speaker 3>final analysis that it was worth it. Sadly, yes, right,
<v Speaker 3>right to be honest. I mean, does does he look
<v Speaker 3>like it? I suppose from you know, from if if
<v Speaker 3>you if you look at his body, if you look
<v Speaker 3>at his head, his ears, his nose, his mouth, everything
<v Speaker 3>there says it wasn't worth it. But if you look
<v Speaker 3>at his eyes, his eyes are saying what's next. Wow.
<v Speaker 10>If you're wondering a picture we're looking at, you've probably
<v Speaker 10>seen it by now if you follow stuff today. But
<v Speaker 10>there was an article that came out kind of recapturing
<v Speaker 10>and interviewing people who were there for his final match
<v Speaker 10>after the news of his passing. And we'll get to
<v Speaker 10>that article later, of course, but it carried this incredible
<v Speaker 10>picture of him backstage at this GCW show, hands on
<v Speaker 10>his thighs, blood on his pants, just sitting there, slumped, bloated,
<v Speaker 10>just kind of looking looking so much more war torn
<v Speaker 10>than I think you would expect. Because the thing about
<v Speaker 10>it was he had kind of a way I'm sure
<v Speaker 10>substances helped to really like kick into a gear where
<v Speaker 10>he was kind of forever young.
<v Speaker 3>Not at the very end.
<v Speaker 10>I mean, he certainly had like a gait you know
<v Speaker 10>that was you know that told you that he's gone
<v Speaker 10>through a lot of pain. But this guy never showed
<v Speaker 10>the amount of pain he was really in in terms
<v Speaker 10>of how he moved around. And you didn't see him otherwise.
<v Speaker 10>I mean, even if you saw him in a shoot interview,
<v Speaker 10>he's sitting there the whole time. You didn't see him
<v Speaker 10>walking from you know, the car to the building. You
<v Speaker 10>didn't see him walking through the airports. You didn't see
<v Speaker 10>him getting out of bed in the morning when there
<v Speaker 10>wasn't a shot to make, you know, or a shot
<v Speaker 10>to take. And my god, they're so those in between moments,
<v Speaker 10>you know, are where you really see I think the
<v Speaker 10>toll of what Sabu decided to do, uh may manifest.
<v Speaker 10>So that's where we're heading. That's where we're heading. And
<v Speaker 10>I feel like it's it's it's important to signpost that
<v Speaker 10>ahead of time as we turned the page on the
<v Speaker 10>next stage of his career, before his his untimely demise,
<v Speaker 10>And you mentioned there's some serendipity because we just did
<v Speaker 10>Under the Cinemat, a mister Kennedy movie, that is to say,
<v Speaker 10>behind Enemy Lines, Yes, indeed, what is it behind enemy Lines?
<v Speaker 10>Behind and Columbia maaturing mister Kennedy. And during the course
<v Speaker 10>of that episode, you were reading some transcripts from one
<v Speaker 10>of the w W Earnings calls where they were talking
<v Speaker 10>about the resurrected ECW, and this dumb ass analyst was like,
<v Speaker 10>is it like UCW or was it like Entertainment Championship
<v Speaker 10>Rous with Linda McMahon on the call, like she could
<v Speaker 10>give a fuck about questions about who's gonna win and
<v Speaker 10>lose matches.
<v Speaker 3>Seriously, one of the fucking funniest things ever. Got to
<v Speaker 3>check that far the boy. You got a fanboy who
<v Speaker 3>gets on the call and it's asking all these creative
<v Speaker 3>things on a call that's literally about did you make
<v Speaker 3>money or did you not make right? How much are
<v Speaker 3>you make money? Where are we going to make money?
<v Speaker 10>Where it's the cap backs how much you're invest in facilities.
<v Speaker 10>They're investing too much. Where's the profit WW Film's going
<v Speaker 10>to make any money. That's why you turn of those
<v Speaker 10>transcripts when we do WW films under the Cinemat because
<v Speaker 10>they talk a lot about the financials of the movie business,
<v Speaker 10>because they're turning to point Wall Street to that is
<v Speaker 10>a growth leaver, a growth area. And this guy comes
<v Speaker 10>on talking about whether they're going to push the tag
<v Speaker 10>teams again.
<v Speaker 3>Ah, fucking idiot.
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<v Speaker 10>the film, but not a step down in terms of uh, fodder.
<v Speaker 3>For your for your co chairs. You're damn right.
<v Speaker 10>And if you're out there in the Solar system and
<v Speaker 10>you heard the and you heard it when it first
<v Speaker 10>came out and heard some of the audio, is do
<v Speaker 10>know those are corrected? I hope you didn't turn away
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<v Speaker 10>these days? Oh my god, where are we not at
<v Speaker 10>with Mama Sorrow? I mean, she's just like she's just
<v Speaker 10>devouring everything everywhere. She's everywhere. I mean, let me see here,
<v Speaker 10>let me pull it up.
<v Speaker 3>The last thing that people would have heard what Oh
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ, well you know what there was? Yeah, imagine
<v Speaker 3>when this yeah, when this drops. The last thing that
<v Speaker 3>that that will have been heard was Mama Sorrow watching
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<v Speaker 3>She watched, you got hear Sean Michaels, Sean Michaels throw
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<v Speaker 10>I mean, look, it's one thing when she comments on
<v Speaker 10>this obscure, hyper violent stuff that that's that's a great eight.
<v Speaker 10>But when she comments on classic angles and classic matches,
<v Speaker 10>you just you thought you you think you have thought
<v Speaker 10>of everything that would occur to anybody on those really flashpoint,
<v Speaker 10>huge moments, and she never fails to say something that
<v Speaker 10>you never heard come out of anybody's mouth in association
<v Speaker 10>with some of these big moments in wrestling.
<v Speaker 3>So, oh my god, let's delivers. Wrestle Mammia delivers like
<v Speaker 3>no other. You're damn right. I mean, it's it's uh,
<v Speaker 3>it's always. It's always a pleasure. Honestly, it's a pleasure
<v Speaker 3>every time. Every time that that that my parents come
<v Speaker 3>to visit or we go up there, I always try
<v Speaker 3>to get a couple hours in and get some get some,
<v Speaker 3>get some, get some matches or moments you know, in
<v Speaker 3>the can as it were. And uh, it's just a riot.
<v Speaker 3>It's just an absolute riot. She's a nutcase. It's fucking fantastic.
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<v Speaker 10>As we enter a hot lap summer one more time, boss,
<v Speaker 10>I know that goes.
<v Speaker 3>It's the Yeah, it's becoming the worst time of the year,
<v Speaker 3>having to get miserable. How to get miserable or so
<v Speaker 3>fucking soaks in well in a lot of ways, yours
<v Speaker 3>truly is kind of miserable. Taking the mic today, we're
<v Speaker 3>recording on the day that we found out about the
<v Speaker 3>passing of somebody who I worked with very closely for
<v Speaker 3>years and years prior to doing a wrestling podcast. As
<v Speaker 3>most listeners know, I started doing podcasting about MMA for
<v Speaker 3>sure dog dot com, one of the leading MMA websites,
<v Speaker 3>and a trusted conspirator in that venture was the brilliant
<v Speaker 3>Jordan Breen. Jordan Breen passed away very prematurely, but I
<v Speaker 3>think he was like thirty eight shocking to hear about
<v Speaker 3>his passing. Jordan was one of the most brilliant people
<v Speaker 3>I've ever talked to in terms of the breadth and
<v Speaker 3>depth of his knowledge. The guy could talk to you
<v Speaker 3>for six hours about something you thought you knew more
<v Speaker 3>than he did about.
<v Speaker 7>Hmmm.
<v Speaker 10>It wasn't just MMA. A photographic memory on par with
<v Speaker 10>nothing I've ever seen. Honestly, the the amount of time
<v Speaker 10>that he would have had to have spent to get
<v Speaker 10>a mastery of the amount of things he had. A
<v Speaker 10>mastery of pop culture, ethemera, movies, music, hip hop, in particular.
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I'm sure he had expertise across all genres
<v Speaker 10>of music, but hip hop was, of course the genre
<v Speaker 10>I talked to him the most about, to say nothing
<v Speaker 10>of MMA in pro wrestling, the most obscure MMA facts.
<v Speaker 10>No one knew more about MMA than he did, and
<v Speaker 10>he knew more than anybody did by the time he
<v Speaker 10>was even twenty years old. This kid figured out everything
<v Speaker 10>about the Internet, how to find video and source video
<v Speaker 10>before anybody even knew how to find torrent sites. He
<v Speaker 10>knew how to watch everything that was happening in Japan
<v Speaker 10>live as it happened, and knew about it before anybody
<v Speaker 10>else even knew to check it out. And he just
<v Speaker 10>also had an incredible gift of gab, an incredible personality
<v Speaker 10>on camera. It was like he was just this, this
<v Speaker 10>this guy in Canada that that was just spouting these
<v Speaker 10>incredibly verbose and and loquacious and on point MMA takes
<v Speaker 10>with a bite to him as well. He wasn't just
<v Speaker 10>some He wasn't just like a point. He headed like analyst.
<v Speaker 10>This guy had such style on the microphone. And then
<v Speaker 10>you then you know he he rised up at shirt
<v Speaker 10>doog and became somebody that they put on camera to
<v Speaker 10>do analysis, and the kid had camera presence as well,
<v Speaker 10>was in just to see that the tributes pouring in.
<v Speaker 10>He was definitely one of those guys that everyone kind
<v Speaker 10>of felt that way about and expressed it privately, you know,
<v Speaker 10>but when someone passes, it's like, Wow, this guy really
<v Speaker 10>set a lot of things in motion, right, And he's
<v Speaker 10>no small part of why I'm podcasting because, you know,
<v Speaker 10>while I started separate in distinct from him as far
<v Speaker 10>as the shirt Dog shows that were going on, well,
<v Speaker 10>when our paths crossed and we used to do the
<v Speaker 10>roundtables together for years where we previewed that weekend's UFC
<v Speaker 10>that those were the things where I'm like, you can
<v Speaker 10>actually do podcasting. That's kind of on a different level.
<v Speaker 10>It doesn't have to be just like whatever the chat
<v Speaker 10>happens to be at that moment. It doesn't just have
<v Speaker 10>to be an interview based format. You can really get
<v Speaker 10>people invested in what does this person think about this?
<v Speaker 10>Because they've demonstrated to me that they think more deeply
<v Speaker 10>about it than the next cat, and they're going to
<v Speaker 10>sadly see and notice things and be able to bring
<v Speaker 10>a humor to their noticing of such detail that will
<v Speaker 10>keep you hooked for years and years to come in
<v Speaker 10>a lot of ways that set the model down. It
<v Speaker 10>was always great to collaborate with him when I got
<v Speaker 10>the chance to do that, and to hang with him
<v Speaker 10>in person, which I did a handful of times over
<v Speaker 10>our years working together at a shirt dog lapsed fan listeners.
<v Speaker 3>I ever did? Did I ever meet him in the
<v Speaker 3>things we No? I never met him.
<v Speaker 10>Okay, now he was pretty much out of the scene,
<v Speaker 10>out of the scene by the time we got this
<v Speaker 10>going and gotcha. Uh, you know, I'd see him live
<v Speaker 10>MMA events. There was one time he came to mi
<v Speaker 10>TS to do something I think they still do it
<v Speaker 10>called the Sloan Business Analytics Conference, and there was a
<v Speaker 10>panel to talk about the idea of for the first time,
<v Speaker 10>creating metrics around MMA fights, punches, landed, distance, time on top,
<v Speaker 10>you know, breaking this thing down.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in a way.
<v Speaker 10>We could have stats just like any other major sport,
<v Speaker 10>and he was one of the He was at the
<v Speaker 10>vanguard of thinking about it that way and how best
<v Speaker 10>to quantify what counts in an MA fight, what's worth measuring,
<v Speaker 10>not just what can be measured, but what's worth measuring
<v Speaker 10>and over time, like how often does it make you
<v Speaker 10>feel like the right guy won the fight or the
<v Speaker 10>wrong guy won the fight when it came to the
<v Speaker 10>decision and the criteria around that decision. And he saw
<v Speaker 10>all very various forms of rules that have ever been
<v Speaker 10>implemented in any MMA promotion anywhere around the globe and
<v Speaker 10>could speak authoritative lyon what didn't didn't make sense. He
<v Speaker 10>was at that was in Boston, as well as Luke Thomas,
<v Speaker 10>who's another prominent MMA journalist who I've known over the years.
<v Speaker 10>We got together at that thing. I forgot we even
<v Speaker 10>got together until I saw that Luke had had a
<v Speaker 10>picture of it, and I was like, oh, yeah, that's right,
<v Speaker 10>we did. We rendezvoused. I wasn't at the conference, but
<v Speaker 10>we got together after that, and it was always great
<v Speaker 10>to talk to him in person. At one time he
<v Speaker 10>came over the house and there was like pre limbs
<v Speaker 10>on for Bellatoor, pre limbs like you know, the early matches.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's rocking.
<v Speaker 10>He's he's gotten because we used to play by playing shirtknogs,
<v Speaker 10>Like if you if you couldn't watch the fights, you
<v Speaker 10>could kind of follow like paragraph by paragraph live descriptions
<v Speaker 10>of what was happening in every round, even obscure, relatively
<v Speaker 10>obscure fights, And this kid could hang, hang with you,
<v Speaker 10>hang with you, and document everything that was happening on
<v Speaker 10>the screen in a way where you didn't feel like
<v Speaker 10>his his attention was divided. It was the damnedest thing
<v Speaker 10>I ever saw. I was like, how is this kid
<v Speaker 10>keeping pace and publishing to the most important, one of
<v Speaker 10>the most important mma sits in the world. What's happening
<v Speaker 10>right now? And also not, you know, being shut off
<v Speaker 10>and cloistered in his own world and still carrying on
<v Speaker 10>a separate conversation from what what's on the screen. It
<v Speaker 10>was wild. He was he was He was a wonder
<v Speaker 10>kind in so many ways. And you know, it's it's
<v Speaker 10>it's it's horrible laps. Fan listeners might remember that Jordan
<v Speaker 10>actually contributed to the Wrestling A four episode we did
<v Speaker 10>way back in the Journey and the reason that happened,
<v Speaker 10>And I'm just talking to you before we started recording
<v Speaker 10>Boss about how in a lot of ways this set
<v Speaker 10>the tone for what would later become The Hopper. Yeah,
<v Speaker 10>the idea that we're about to cover a show that
<v Speaker 10>really means something to a particular member of the solar
<v Speaker 10>system and how cool would it be and how fitting
<v Speaker 10>would it be with the concept of the show to
<v Speaker 10>give people a chance or a method to be able
<v Speaker 10>to get on the show and share those recollections and experiences.
<v Speaker 10>And it was Jordan reaching out because he was really
<v Speaker 10>digging what we were doing at the Lapsed Fan and
<v Speaker 10>he said, you know, oh my god, when you guys
<v Speaker 10>get to WrestleMania four, I got so much to tell
<v Speaker 10>you because that was the show I rented a million times.
<v Speaker 10>Everybody has that team, you know, yep. And it was
<v Speaker 10>great talking to him about what he remembered, and it really,
<v Speaker 10>you know, as I think about it ten years on
<v Speaker 10>of doing the broadcast, that was kind of one of
<v Speaker 10>the first times I realized, like, well, we're not a
<v Speaker 10>show that's going to rely on guests, and we don't
<v Speaker 10>have our door wide open for guests. There could be
<v Speaker 10>times we're bringing in a perspective that we know is
<v Speaker 10>going to be thoughtful and take us a place we
<v Speaker 10>wouldn't go otherwise, and the fan, the listener wouldn't go otherwise.
<v Speaker 10>There might be a place for that. And he kind
<v Speaker 10>of established that in my mind, and he went around,
<v Speaker 10>came around to actually launch a podcast much like the
<v Speaker 10>Lapsed Fan with with our producer TJ.
<v Speaker 3>DeSantis.
<v Speaker 10>They called it Collapsed MMA, and they were doing the
<v Speaker 10>same thing. They were watching archived UFC footage, archive UFC
<v Speaker 10>events and MMA events and just doing exactly what we do,
<v Speaker 10>exactly what we do because they had the exact same
<v Speaker 10>dynamic of like watching it all at went back when
<v Speaker 10>it happened and already having a great detailed rapport about
<v Speaker 10>YEA and a nostalgia about what it was like to
<v Speaker 10>watch it for the first time, so that when they
<v Speaker 10>revisit it, there's that much more to say, that much
<v Speaker 10>more to revisit and to contextualize. And he did great
<v Speaker 10>with that too. It was short lived, but it was
<v Speaker 10>really cool to see that that takes shape after he
<v Speaker 10>he followed what we were doing over here. But I
<v Speaker 10>just thought it was necessary to tip the cap to
<v Speaker 10>somebody absolutely showed, showed me and so many other people
<v Speaker 10>how you can do hardcore fan podcasting that elevates everybody
<v Speaker 10>who listens to it in terms of what they can
<v Speaker 10>get out of the hours and hours and hours that
<v Speaker 10>they spend watching whatever a source of passion it is
<v Speaker 10>that you're that you're podcasting about so absolutely that's a
<v Speaker 10>that's a shout out to h to Jordan Breen whenever
<v Speaker 10>you hear me call anybody the homie I'm when I
<v Speaker 10>talk about some of our beloved fans. Mm hm, that's him.
<v Speaker 10>That's where I got it from.
<v Speaker 3>And the home.
<v Speaker 10>Wow, the hom he won't soon be forgotten. So Saboo,
<v Speaker 10>after Living Dangerously where we picked up last year last
<v Speaker 10>week rather yes.
<v Speaker 3>It was nineteen ninety nine.
<v Speaker 10>He did the rematch with Taz and his jaw was
<v Speaker 10>broken and he fucking got thrown through tables. Jesus got
<v Speaker 10>a dragon suplex through a cornered table, which you know,
<v Speaker 10>further compromises neck.
<v Speaker 3>It was a battle.
<v Speaker 10>They shook hands at the end, and that was kind
<v Speaker 10>of the shift away of from Sabou being kind of
<v Speaker 10>like the heart of ECW because you know, a lot
<v Speaker 10>of things are about to have happened. He was about
<v Speaker 10>to move more into programs that weren't at the very
<v Speaker 10>top of the card. Taz was going to leave in
<v Speaker 10>nineteen ninety nine, so his chief foil kind of goes away.
<v Speaker 10>RVD is going to start ascending on his own without
<v Speaker 10>being an attag team with Sabou or even in a
<v Speaker 10>program with Saboo, so that right kind of thing is
<v Speaker 10>that's praying a little bit as well. He went right
<v Speaker 10>into a program in ECW with Justin Credible, who had
<v Speaker 10>just come over from WWF after you know, kind of
<v Speaker 10>an interregnant period working indies like USWA, the former Aldo Montoya,
<v Speaker 10>and it was CCW that of course gave him the
<v Speaker 10>name Justin Credible and made a world champion and gave
<v Speaker 10>him the push of his career. Really, Sabu was one
<v Speaker 10>of the first to welcome him in, but eventually he
<v Speaker 10>CW folds. We know it doesn't last much longer, and
<v Speaker 10>by two thousand pretty much everyone to works for the
<v Speaker 10>company is looking for a way out or has a
<v Speaker 10>way out. A quick correction and shout out to the
<v Speaker 10>Solar System member who mentioned it. We talked about Shane
<v Speaker 10>Douglass not coming over to WCW until two thousand because
<v Speaker 10>we remember the program that Russo put together with him
<v Speaker 10>and Flair, But actually he did come over in ninety nine.
<v Speaker 10>He came over as Bischoff was leaving and Bill Bush
<v Speaker 10>took over and he had the Revolution stable with Chris
<v Speaker 10>Benoir I think it was Perry said and rting Malenko,
<v Speaker 10>so he was one of the guys that actually was
<v Speaker 10>expected to leave when Kevin Sullivan got the book again
<v Speaker 10>in two thousand and ben Jan the Radicals left. Two
<v Speaker 10>more names that were on that list that were going
<v Speaker 10>to leave because of the change in regime were Shane
<v Speaker 10>Douglas and Conan, but WWF didn't take them, so they
<v Speaker 10>ended up kind of in limbo as a result of
<v Speaker 10>that decision. Interesting so certainly, and that came before Russo's
<v Speaker 10>kind of return under the Russo Bischoff regime. But yeah,
<v Speaker 10>he did have he was gone, and I think the
<v Speaker 10>match we were talking about the confused US why they
<v Speaker 10>would take a shot at him was because the home
<v Speaker 10>video had come out after Shane Douglas had left ECW,
<v Speaker 10>so he was already persona on grata, so to speak.
<v Speaker 10>So that that ties up that loosened So Shane Douglas,
<v Speaker 10>you know, kind of symptomatic the thing I'm talking about.
<v Speaker 10>And for God's sakes, even Sandman goes to work for
<v Speaker 10>w CW. They're hiring everybody, you know, anybody going to
<v Speaker 10>go I mean you mean hack Hack right, which was
<v Speaker 10>actually his nickname even before he was the Sandman in
<v Speaker 10>his personal life, which is really food. I've always called him, right, yeah,
<v Speaker 10>you w CW fans weren't the first to call him
<v Speaker 10>a hack in the business.
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you that.
<v Speaker 10>Well, you know, people's checks are bouncing, people aren't getting paid.
<v Speaker 10>We've talked about this a million times in a million
<v Speaker 10>different ways. But ultimately, one of the things that's remembered
<v Speaker 10>about Saboo, which is kind of darkly hilarious considering his
<v Speaker 10>history with Paul Hayman, is when Paul in company filed
<v Speaker 10>DCW bankruptcy papers, they had to list all their creditors, right,
<v Speaker 10>that's what you do into bankruptcy. I say, these are
<v Speaker 10>all the people who own money to in petitioning the
<v Speaker 10>judge to you know, decide what debts you won't have
<v Speaker 10>to pay, which ones you will. And so in that
<v Speaker 10>list they listed all kinds of wrestlers who wrote all
<v Speaker 10>kinds of money, including Shane Douglas and I think Tommy
<v Speaker 10>Dreamer were owed like one hundred and fifty grand, as
<v Speaker 10>was Rob van Dam. They listed Saboo in the documents,
<v Speaker 10>and you know how much they said he was owed
<v Speaker 10>how much?
<v Speaker 3>Two dollars? Of course, I mean, what what of course,
<v Speaker 3>what you think he was worth things. Do you think
<v Speaker 3>he deserved to get paid?
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I don't know. I would kind of just
<v Speaker 10>you know, pay him the two dollars so I didn't
<v Speaker 10>have to list a two dollars creditor in my fucking
<v Speaker 10>bankruptcy filings.
<v Speaker 3>But that's just me and just rather do the creditor.
<v Speaker 10>Because remember this, this all happened after that whole in
<v Speaker 10>broglio that we closed last time with where Sabu got
<v Speaker 10>the offer to go to w CW right around the
<v Speaker 10>time Sullivan got the book for a hefty contract, and
<v Speaker 10>Paul stepped in the way and said that would be
<v Speaker 10>a violation of his ECW contract, that would be tampering
<v Speaker 10>whatever the claim was, such that it's spook WCW, and
<v Speaker 10>they pulled the offer. Remember Kevin Sullivan was in a
<v Speaker 10>panic trying to get him to sign it right away.
<v Speaker 10>You gotta sign it right before anybody else in the
<v Speaker 10>office saw that Sabou was physically on location, because then
<v Speaker 10>that would immediately set in motion the the dime drops
<v Speaker 10>and the fucking rat ratting him out, you know, so
<v Speaker 10>that Hayman can get a legal threat over to them.
<v Speaker 3>That's what it seems.
<v Speaker 10>So maybe that listing two dollars that he's worth or
<v Speaker 10>at least owed. Rather in the bankruptcy finalleis as a
<v Speaker 10>fuck you. Were related to all that, I don't know,
<v Speaker 10>but one can interpret it that way. So by two
<v Speaker 10>thousand he's headed over to XPW, which, as we know,
<v Speaker 10>kind of was started as like a fuck you to ECW,
<v Speaker 10>or at least that was a key part of how
<v Speaker 10>they wanted to get attention when they first started, they
<v Speaker 10>were sort of like the ECW of the West Coast,
<v Speaker 10>based out of La Rob Black, the porn producer, started it.
<v Speaker 10>There's a great dark set of the ring episode if
<v Speaker 10>you want to get acquainted. But it was it was dark,
<v Speaker 10>it was gross.
<v Speaker 3>We've seen some of it. You know, what do we do?
<v Speaker 14>What do we do?
<v Speaker 3>Why do we do war games? I think we did?
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I think you're right.
<v Speaker 10>One of their takes on on on war games. This
<v Speaker 10>is the promotion where Vic Grimes got thrown off the
<v Speaker 10>scaffold by new Jack and threw three hundred tables and
<v Speaker 10>almost killed. They would have porn stars as valets, and
<v Speaker 10>they would have just you know this almost hyper violence
<v Speaker 10>and stuff, and these like wrestlers you never heard of
<v Speaker 10>doing crazy shit and sadly went over there and they
<v Speaker 10>were kind of building him around him and Terry funk
<v Speaker 10>a bit. But when it came time to do the
<v Speaker 10>thing they did at heat Wave two thousand, which we've
<v Speaker 10>done in the archives, which is where the XPW crew
<v Speaker 10>showed up at the ECW show to make a scene
<v Speaker 10>and try to invade. Do you remember any talk about this.
<v Speaker 3>Vaguely?
<v Speaker 10>They were like wearing a show up and make a
<v Speaker 10>big scene basically in the audience and Saboo working for
<v Speaker 10>them at the time. They wanted Saboo there because they
<v Speaker 10>thought that would be even more impactful of the invasion.
<v Speaker 10>No matter what they managed to pull off, they'd get
<v Speaker 10>kicked out of the building. But before it happened, you know,
<v Speaker 10>they bought a bunch of tickets, is what they did
<v Speaker 10>to the CCW show, and you know Saboo was there.
<v Speaker 10>That would lend even more buzzworthy notes to what they
<v Speaker 10>were trying to pull off this. Saboo absolutely said, fuck, no,
<v Speaker 10>I'm not doing that.
<v Speaker 3>That is so stupid. They're all going to kick your.
<v Speaker 10>Ass and he refused to participate. So say, but you
<v Speaker 10>will about how much relations frayed with a ECW and Sabo.
<v Speaker 10>Towards the end there, he still understood that it wasn't.
<v Speaker 10>He still cared more about being revered by the ECW
<v Speaker 10>fan base than he did about any perceived slights, so
<v Speaker 10>he did not participate in that. One thing that did
<v Speaker 10>come from his EXPW run, though, was his relationship with
<v Speaker 10>Melissa Coates, who came to be known as super Genie
<v Speaker 10>and would accompany Saboo after this for all of his
<v Speaker 10>like you know, autograph show appearances and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 10>She would sort of be his personal manager and his
<v Speaker 10>girlfriend as well. Now what's interesting is Sabu, what's that? No,
<v Speaker 10>I was just a super Genie.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 10>She would basically do a genie gimmick which was kind
<v Speaker 10>of related. I think Sabu came up with it for her.
<v Speaker 10>She started in the business as cheerleader Melissa, she did
<v Speaker 10>a cheerleading gimmick in XPW, and once she got together
<v Speaker 10>with Sabu, they created a gimmick where she was his
<v Speaker 10>genie sort of like pretty sure she had similar valets
<v Speaker 10>like that and he had I think his wife used
<v Speaker 10>to do like a slave girl. Yeah, certainly, we just
<v Speaker 10>saw it on the Dark Side episode, like kind of
<v Speaker 10>like a slave girl kind of valet that would like, yeah,
<v Speaker 10>you know, Buio at his feet and things like that.
<v Speaker 10>I know Super Genie wasn't that kind of a servile
<v Speaker 10>kind of thing, but it was like the ssich the
<v Speaker 10>female sidekick, like you remembered his uncle having. So yeah,
<v Speaker 10>they got together. Here Sabu in his book talking about it.
<v Speaker 10>On the wrestling scene, I do have a new manager
<v Speaker 10>since Phonsie's pretty much retired. Melissa Coates aka super Genie
<v Speaker 10>helps me in and out of the ring now, and
<v Speaker 10>she's a million times better and better looking than Fonsi.
<v Speaker 10>With all the foul and filth to come out of XPW,
<v Speaker 10>the one good thing I took from there was Melissa.
<v Speaker 10>I first met her there, I think before she was
<v Speaker 10>even wrestling yet and more into bodybuilding and fitness. She
<v Speaker 10>handles everything for me now. She does my booking, merchandise,
<v Speaker 10>and even my day to day stuff. She deserves more
<v Speaker 10>recognition and respect than words can even give her.
<v Speaker 7>Hmm.
<v Speaker 10>That's from the tribute section towards the end of Sabu's book. Now,
<v Speaker 10>what's interesting is Sabu had already been married, and not
<v Speaker 10>many people knew this, but he married a Japanese woman
<v Speaker 10>who we met in Japan in nineteen ninety eight, and
<v Speaker 10>a lot of this kicking back up because everyone's like,
<v Speaker 10>where's the cause of death?
<v Speaker 6>Right?
<v Speaker 10>People want to know the autopsy on Sabu, and apparently
<v Speaker 10>because they never officially he and his wife, even though
<v Speaker 10>she's in Japan and has been back in Japan for
<v Speaker 10>years and years and years, they need to get some
<v Speaker 10>according to Rob van Dam, some level of permission and
<v Speaker 10>clearance from her to make public the autopsy report. She
<v Speaker 10>still has sort of like rights over how publicized. That
<v Speaker 10>can be interesting, yes, said we passed away in Nevada.
<v Speaker 10>He had moved to Las Vegas in the final years
<v Speaker 10>of his life, and apparently that's a law in Nevada.
<v Speaker 10>I suppose. I know, different states have different rules. I
<v Speaker 10>remember Eddie Guerrero, he died in Minneapolis, but I think
<v Speaker 10>it came down to New Mexico where he was living
<v Speaker 10>in the laws there. His his death certificate came out,
<v Speaker 10>but just for a minute, and then it was like,
<v Speaker 10>oh my god, no, like the family doesn't want it
<v Speaker 10>out and they have rights under the state law to
<v Speaker 10>hold it back. And then it never was seen again.
<v Speaker 10>But it got out just enough to say that you
<v Speaker 10>know steroids were contributing factor to the hard condition and
<v Speaker 10>were off to the races. But here we probably won't
<v Speaker 10>ever hear.
<v Speaker 3>Ever.
<v Speaker 10>But I'm not sure we're going to get, you know,
<v Speaker 10>a physical cop be of the death certificate unless she
<v Speaker 10>okays it, which it doesn't seem like she's connected enough
<v Speaker 10>to the situation at all to even be bothered, honestly,
<v Speaker 10>if they can even find He remembers the wedding ceremony
<v Speaker 10>to this woman in his book, and he's referring to
<v Speaker 10>a diary that's kept by Masa, who's I'm pretty sure
<v Speaker 10>Masa in the book is the guy that helps facilitate
<v Speaker 10>a lot of translation and logistics for American wrestlers when
<v Speaker 10>they go to New Japan, and I guess he kept
<v Speaker 10>a lot of records he wrote in his book to
<v Speaker 10>Sabo did from Masa's diary, I see that it continued
<v Speaker 10>to be a busy week. I'll tell you before the
<v Speaker 10>six thirty PM show at correct When Hall. The next night,
<v Speaker 10>my ex wife and I had our Japanese style wedding
<v Speaker 10>ceremony at Asakusa Senzo Ge, a real famous temple in
<v Speaker 10>Tokyo at noon. We did it for her family relatives
<v Speaker 10>and friends in Japan because we had already got married
<v Speaker 10>in Michigan earlier that Sheik and my aunt Missus Joyce
<v Speaker 10>attended the ceremony. It was very impressive, even though I
<v Speaker 10>have nothing impressive to say about my ex. Now let's
<v Speaker 10>just leave it at that. That's anything they ever said
<v Speaker 10>about her. But you know, the love life of Saboo,
<v Speaker 10>something that doesn't get a lot of seriously buying.
<v Speaker 3>The paid to it, that needs that needs some more.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, there's a lot to be said. I'd imagine
<v Speaker 10>whether it ever will be said. I suppose this is
<v Speaker 10>another matter altogether. But he did find a spot in TNA,
<v Speaker 10>which got started, of course in two thousand and two,
<v Speaker 10>and was really looking why well, I mean TNA was
<v Speaker 10>obliged to sign anybody that had any value. They brought
<v Speaker 10>Raven and then pushed him huge. In the early days
<v Speaker 10>when they were at the Asylum in Nashville and they
<v Speaker 10>had the weekly I don't know what, I don't know
<v Speaker 10>what you're talking about, the weekly pay per view model
<v Speaker 10>where you had to pay ten dollars a week to
<v Speaker 10>see their show. That's that's that's what they thought was
<v Speaker 10>gonna work.
<v Speaker 12>Boss said.
<v Speaker 10>And Ron Killings came through and they put the world
<v Speaker 10>title on him, and Shamrock was there. There's okay, Sabo
<v Speaker 10>wrestled Ken Shamrock one time in TNA. I just invite
<v Speaker 10>you to consider the styles class.
<v Speaker 3>There something very inappropriate about that.
<v Speaker 10>Absolutely for an NBA title match in July o two.
<v Speaker 10>It was a month after the promotion started and he
<v Speaker 10>was in there in kind of the title mix. And
<v Speaker 10>one of the things interesting about Saboo is he was
<v Speaker 10>training some wrestlers out of Michigan. He had an independent
<v Speaker 10>that he ran under that part of the country, of course,
<v Speaker 10>being a Michigan or his whole life. And among the
<v Speaker 10>wrestlers he trained was Monty Brown aka Marcus corvaan oh yes,
<v Speaker 10>who was for him one of the big sensations in
<v Speaker 10>TNA that they really could have done something with and
<v Speaker 10>pushed all the way to a world title shot, but
<v Speaker 10>never strapped him up. And then he followed Sabu to
<v Speaker 10>the WWE version of ECW.
<v Speaker 3>I say he got an ECW run himself.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, I think the fortunes of Saboo might track
<v Speaker 10>the fortunes of Amani Brown, who he said was one
<v Speaker 10>of his favorite students. So maybe going there was as
<v Speaker 10>much that he had a big, long involved program with
<v Speaker 10>Raven where they kind of kind of revisited the kind
<v Speaker 10>of program Raven had with Tommy Dreamer and ECW. It
<v Speaker 10>kind of got cut prematurely short and they did like
<v Speaker 10>a big death match to blow it off. The limited
<v Speaker 10>amount of people that were watching TNA back when it
<v Speaker 10>was on that small, small scale might remember the program well,
<v Speaker 10>and he talks a lot about it in his book.
<v Speaker 10>We're not going to visit it much, but that was
<v Speaker 10>that was kind of like the post collapse of WCW
<v Speaker 10>and ECW, the first time people saw Sabu in the
<v Speaker 10>national spotlight. He also did some work for the World
<v Speaker 10>Wrestling All Stars company out of Australia that launched and
<v Speaker 10>did a couple of pay per views. There a lot
<v Speaker 10>of XWCW guys that looked like one of the earliest
<v Speaker 10>attempts before even TNA to create a new number two
<v Speaker 10>after WCW had collapsed. By the time two thousand and
<v Speaker 10>four rolls around, this is where Sabu does some signature
<v Speaker 10>work in TNA that that folks will will remember because
<v Speaker 10>by this point they have gotten on Fox Sportsnet, so
<v Speaker 10>they have a television deal, and they're on a traditional
<v Speaker 10>pay per view monthly. They're not asking for ten dollars
<v Speaker 10>a week to see their show anymore. So the shows
<v Speaker 10>actually feel significant in that way. He first faced Abyss
<v Speaker 10>in the TNA ring in two thousand and four, but
<v Speaker 10>in late two thousand and four he contracted a virus
<v Speaker 10>which he's never stipulated. I don't know, he doesn't say
<v Speaker 10>what it is. It's a mysterious virus. Times the mind
<v Speaker 10>goes to hepatitis with wrestlers, you know, especially ones that
<v Speaker 10>bleed all over the place. But whatever it was, this
<v Speaker 10>virus really wiped Sabou out in two thousand and four,
<v Speaker 10>and there was like benefit shows to help him pay
<v Speaker 10>his medical bills, and it was like this guy, this
<v Speaker 10>guy gonna make it. It was one of the first
<v Speaker 10>times I remember there being like, I don't want to say,
<v Speaker 10>a death scare around Sabu, but sort of like a
<v Speaker 10>realization that this guy is not taking the bumps and
<v Speaker 10>healing as miraculously as it seems like in between time.
<v Speaker 10>You know, this guy, this guy's not bulletproof. This guy's
<v Speaker 10>not incapable of being gotten to from a health perspective, hmm.
<v Speaker 10>And he says in his book, and nearly killed him.
<v Speaker 10>They did some benefit shows in the US as well
<v Speaker 10>as Japan, helped pay his medical bills, and there was
<v Speaker 10>a big like raw rog, you know, let's let's help
<v Speaker 10>and let's help Saboo and not forget all Sabo was
<v Speaker 10>done kind of moment really, one of the first times
<v Speaker 10>people rallied around him.
<v Speaker 3>Like that, Oh, I don't mind, we can forget Sabu right.
<v Speaker 10>Well, well, we certainly have a funny way of going
<v Speaker 10>about forgetting Saboo, as we part three of the tribute here.
<v Speaker 10>But it was good that he bounced back from that
<v Speaker 10>because that put him in a position to accept the
<v Speaker 10>offer the very next year when the WW resurrected ECW
<v Speaker 10>and did the first one night stand in two thousand
<v Speaker 10>and five. And as we've referenced already, WWE was in
<v Speaker 10>this home video documentary release thing. They were doing so
<v Speaker 10>many great documentaries. Oh god, Yes, they got their hands
<v Speaker 10>on so much footage when they bought ECW's footage in
<v Speaker 10>the bankruptcy, and they got WCW's footage as a result
<v Speaker 10>of the you know, buying WCW, and so they had
<v Speaker 10>all this material to work with. There weren't sensitivities around
<v Speaker 10>promoting competitors anymore, and they went nuts. They did documentaries
<v Speaker 10>on so many wrestlers. They did great Brian Pillman one,
<v Speaker 10>they did the World Warriors one, they did so many.
<v Speaker 10>They were going there. They were talking about people that
<v Speaker 10>you know, Vince wanted to forget, you know, and things
<v Speaker 10>we were told Vince wanted to forget, and all of
<v Speaker 10>a sudden it was fair game. And one of the
<v Speaker 10>most successful ones they did was The Rise and Fall
<v Speaker 10>of ECW, and it was like three hours long. What
<v Speaker 10>do you remember, if anything about that hitting scene.
<v Speaker 3>Remember they did They just hit it so hard that
<v Speaker 3>you know, you know they uh uh I mean if anything. See.
<v Speaker 3>Not being an ECW fan back from back then, I
<v Speaker 3>was kind of like, why didn't they do something more
<v Speaker 3>like this? Like they gave it such reverence, you know,
<v Speaker 3>they gave it. It just felt it felt like they
<v Speaker 3>were respecting it more than they had done Yes with
<v Speaker 3>a WCW DVD, even though they had done quite a
<v Speaker 3>few yes WW one.
<v Speaker 10>It seemed like Vince was no longer micromanaging the messaging
<v Speaker 10>as much. There were some things that they would be
<v Speaker 10>oh god, but it wasn't like the Warrior thing where
<v Speaker 10>the whole point of the project was to get over
<v Speaker 10>a perspective.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 10>It was kind of like, I don't know, it just
<v Speaker 10>seemed like go where the story takes you, Like who cares?
<v Speaker 10>Like bright Meltzer has said the Pilman doc. He knows
<v Speaker 10>for a fact that that the crew just started with
<v Speaker 10>his obituary on Brian Pillman from the observers kind of
<v Speaker 10>like the wow the guy to where they should go
<v Speaker 10>with the story. And you watch the thing and it's like, wow,
<v Speaker 10>they hit everything that you would hit, even areas you
<v Speaker 10>think would be sensitive. They would over gloss over. And
<v Speaker 10>UCW thing had a similar thing, which is whatever, just
<v Speaker 10>tell the story. Because we're manufacturing now, you know, we're
<v Speaker 10>pumping out DVDs. We don't have any This isn't like
<v Speaker 10>some little agenda thing. This is now a business that
<v Speaker 10>we're capturing all the profits on, so we don't have
<v Speaker 10>to be as uh, you know, as personnickety about what
<v Speaker 10>makes it and doesn't.
<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, all of a sudden, right boss, people
<v Speaker 3>are talking about ECW again out of nowhere, like it
<v Speaker 3>was there. It was a big and I just remember
<v Speaker 3>it was, Yeah, there was a lot of a lot
<v Speaker 3>of love about ECW. There was something about and it
<v Speaker 3>was I'm trying to think. I mean, I know I've
<v Speaker 3>seen it, but I didn't own it. But I feel
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know how I would have seen it
<v Speaker 3>if I didn't own it, because I never really rented DVDs, right,
<v Speaker 3>But I know I saw it. I know I was
<v Speaker 3>very intrigued by it, but I just don't remember.
<v Speaker 10>I remember I got it on I got it via
<v Speaker 10>Netflix delivered to the house that first time I saw.
<v Speaker 3>Yea, I didn't even I didn't do that very often
<v Speaker 3>because I very much knew whenever I rented. I did
<v Speaker 3>it more later on in the Netflix DVD because I would,
<v Speaker 3>I would rip the DVDs, you know, But I didn't
<v Speaker 3>really do that when when I was just actually watching
<v Speaker 3>the movies. Yeah, because I didn't. I was like, I'm
<v Speaker 3>never actually gonna watch this. I just know I'm never
<v Speaker 3>gonna actually watch this. But yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 10>So the ECW DVD did huge numbers, That's what I remember.
<v Speaker 3>I remember that too. I remember being a big fucking deal.
<v Speaker 10>It's like, wow, we have something here, Like people are
<v Speaker 10>already nostalgic for this company that went out of business
<v Speaker 10>four years ago, but there was still enough of those
<v Speaker 10>fans kind of looking for something like that that hadn't
<v Speaker 10>been serviced. The scene had not created something that really
<v Speaker 10>filled that Niche XPW tried, CZW was trying. I think
<v Speaker 10>they had already started by then. TNA just it wasn't
<v Speaker 10>It wasn't the kind of thing where those fans had
<v Speaker 10>found their new cause to latch onto. They were ready
<v Speaker 10>to come to a ECW event if it felt authentic,
<v Speaker 10>And of course we've talked about we documented during the
<v Speaker 10>Lapsed Funk that Shane Douglas did the Hardcore Homecoming promotion
<v Speaker 10>out of the arena, the actual ECW arena at the
<v Speaker 10>same time, and they had had to had shows in
<v Speaker 10>two thousand and five, and all of a sudden there
<v Speaker 10>was this like this gold rush such as it was
<v Speaker 10>to monetize ECW nostalgia. And who was on that show?
<v Speaker 10>Sabo was the one guy who was on both in
<v Speaker 10>a way, I don't know if he was the only guy,
<v Speaker 10>but he was like the most prominent guy that was
<v Speaker 10>on both shows. He was on One Night Stand in
<v Speaker 10>two thousand and five against Rhino and he was on
<v Speaker 10>the Hardcore Homecoming show at the arena, revisiting as we
<v Speaker 10>did on the Lapsed Funk that landmark night the line
<v Speaker 10>was crossed three Way Dance with Shane Douglas and Terry Funk.
<v Speaker 3>Wow. They did the rematch there. It was a barbed
<v Speaker 3>wire match because they needed some bells and whistles and
<v Speaker 3>it called upon the Saboo Terry Funk barbwire history in
<v Speaker 3>the arena as well.
<v Speaker 10>And it wasn't great. It wasn't much to h to see.
<v Speaker 10>But Funk had to make a choice. Remember he had
<v Speaker 10>that big emotional speech about how he had to pick
<v Speaker 10>the authentic ECW reunion over Vince's version. Yes, and then
<v Speaker 10>he'd be back around working with you.
<v Speaker 3>I went ahead, and I debated with myself. I said
<v Speaker 3>I can't do it. I told Vic, I said, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know. I just don't know, but I can't go
<v Speaker 3>back to that that two times in Son of a Bitch.
<v Speaker 3>She said you better take back then Vince mcmancheck, and
<v Speaker 3>I said, okay, honey'all, I'll do it. But then I
<v Speaker 3>came back to her and I said I just couldn't
<v Speaker 3>do it. And then he did it the next year
<v Speaker 3>with wed ahead, and I couldn't do it, I went
<v Speaker 3>ahead and didn't do it, and then I went ahead
<v Speaker 3>and did it when I did it.
<v Speaker 10>Anyway, that's exactly right. So One Night's in two thousand
<v Speaker 10>and five turned out to be a blockbuster show, just
<v Speaker 10>massive success for them, and all kinds of new ideas,
<v Speaker 10>including what would become the resurrection of ECW. Was a
<v Speaker 10>promotion they would start doing s W house shows. They
<v Speaker 10>came out with all kinds of ECBA T shirts and
<v Speaker 10>stuff like that again, and ECW was where it was
<v Speaker 10>at all of a sudden. Now on the show, as
<v Speaker 10>we mentioned, Saboo kind of returns to WW in a way,
<v Speaker 10>if you want to call it a return taking on Rhino.
<v Speaker 10>This is a one night stand in two thousand and five.
<v Speaker 10>We've done two thousand and six, but we haven't done
<v Speaker 10>the original one night Stand two thousand and five to
<v Speaker 10>my knowledge right now, I think we did.
<v Speaker 3>We did we not?
<v Speaker 10>I'm sure fans will let us know. I certainly remember
<v Speaker 10>doing two thousand and six. That was one of the
<v Speaker 10>early Hopper shows if I'm remembering correctly. But here, if
<v Speaker 10>you can toggle over to that link, Boss and folks
<v Speaker 10>out there in the Solar system can find it too.
<v Speaker 10>I do have it knowing to here in a moment
<v Speaker 10>revisit the Saboo Rhino match. This is at the top
<v Speaker 10>of the program, so we're going to get a little
<v Speaker 10>bit of the atmosphere as well of Rob Bandam who
<v Speaker 10>was injured at the time. He had a knee brace
<v Speaker 10>on with Phonsie in the ring. Welcoming everybody to this
<v Speaker 10>new DA v c W and one more fitting way,
<v Speaker 10>uh to bring it back in than Sabo. So we'll
<v Speaker 10>hit play in three two one play Huh, Rhino hits
<v Speaker 10>the lawyer cuts RVD in half with the goer puts
<v Speaker 10>the boots to him not his driving.
<v Speaker 3>Was a genuine emoments maybe the biggest you know, part
<v Speaker 3>of the thing that I mean, I get it like that.
<v Speaker 3>All these guys were part of E c W and
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that, but you know, to have rhino and
<v Speaker 3>rock like it just felt like a like cheap to
<v Speaker 3>me because they'd already been in W for so long,
<v Speaker 3>moved on you actually worked for them.
<v Speaker 10>The lights went out. There's someone who didn't wow. It
<v Speaker 10>came back on in the Elks Lodge Saboo. He's already
<v Speaker 10>cut up and he doesn't do anything. He's got band
<v Speaker 10>aids Proud was chanting saboo as soon as Rhino cut down. Yeah,
<v Speaker 10>Ponzi's a ref He signals for the bell.
<v Speaker 3>He's going he's doing the same thing, leaping for the
<v Speaker 3>the legs and he's pointing to nothing. Sa watching this one?
<v Speaker 1>Did?
<v Speaker 3>Did? Did? Was that Nick Foley on the call? Yes?
<v Speaker 3>And Joey Salles And and did he say that he's
<v Speaker 3>the most homicidal, genocidal, suicidal of wrestler of them all?
<v Speaker 10>I think that's what he said. Yes, okay, really suit
<v Speaker 10>plex by Rhino.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, the man Beast, that is true. That was mantar No.
<v Speaker 10>And some ma of these guys participated in the ECW
<v Speaker 10>invading invasion two thousand and one Angle too right for
<v Speaker 10>so wild that just w CW is the invading faction
<v Speaker 10>wasn't thought to be enough. They had to use a
<v Speaker 10>c W two.
<v Speaker 15>You know.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, Sabo crowns right up with the steel chair shot
<v Speaker 3>to the head. I mean, listen, there's no doubt that
<v Speaker 3>they're they're hungering for this man. Yeah, yeah, that's clear.
<v Speaker 3>Here we go.
<v Speaker 10>Because when he showed up ships going down and jump
<v Speaker 10>plancher to the floor halfway up the high Jesus Christ
<v Speaker 10>on money. It comes up with a face like like
<v Speaker 10>his mind's immediately on the next thing. He's gotta do.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what do we gotta do next? What's the next spot?
<v Speaker 10>Can you say that into the mic? Sab what's the
<v Speaker 10>next he's gotta.
<v Speaker 3>Listen to who's gonna listen to the spots? No, he
<v Speaker 3>should say, who's gonna list of our scripted spots?
<v Speaker 10>What's the what's the next of the schedule? Jesus the
<v Speaker 10>chair of rocketed a rhino's head.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, rhino made at an appearance under the cinemat not
<v Speaker 3>too long ago, earlier this year and the Kurt Angle
<v Speaker 3>sid Uh Extravaganza Death from Above that should have been
<v Speaker 3>the Sabo movie is here.
<v Speaker 10>Nick Foley paying tribute on commentary to Saboo and Joey Styles,
<v Speaker 10>saying it's all about self sacrifice.
<v Speaker 3>Joey Styles were visiting the Saboo Barbier injury. There so
<v Speaker 3>taboo a taboo or a table Sabo Saboo Sunday.
<v Speaker 10>I guess the TMU Saboo is taboo?
<v Speaker 3>There we go.
<v Speaker 10>Right over, yes, fully talking about the the debate over
<v Speaker 10>who the wildest wrestler is.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it took me a while to admit to
<v Speaker 3>my my mom.
<v Speaker 16>Actually, the guys, Joey, I'm not sure I could have
<v Speaker 16>continued with a hundred stitches in.
<v Speaker 3>My arm with a wow. That was a wacky slam
<v Speaker 3>on guardrail. I don't know what that was, but I
<v Speaker 3>I liked it. I'm dougan guy finds.
<v Speaker 17>A reservoir of guts implied somewhere deep in his soul
<v Speaker 17>that most of us.
<v Speaker 3>Will never have, and putting them over a big time. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>totally was.
<v Speaker 10>Climbing, got cut off, estimated to the super rana here
<v Speaker 10>by the way, he says, air sabo springboard leg drop.
<v Speaker 10>If you want to call that sure over two.
<v Speaker 4>Just see some moves here, Joey. That Saboo innovated years ago.
<v Speaker 4>People are borrowed liberally.
<v Speaker 3>From Shabby to launch off a seat. Huh Jesus. In
<v Speaker 3>the corner, Rhino collapses throat first on the back of
<v Speaker 3>the chair. Steel chair, leg drop off the seat. That's
<v Speaker 3>one thing.
<v Speaker 10>Hogan never did a leg drop off a steel chair.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah right, we more have for the triple jump moonzone
<v Speaker 10>no O ship Tabo grabs his leg, Rhino grabs his leg,
<v Speaker 10>and Saboo falls on the chair, the steel.
<v Speaker 4>Chair, great presence of mind by Rhino.
<v Speaker 18>Let's not forget this match is not just about Saboo,
<v Speaker 18>although I would return.
<v Speaker 3>His return of the ring is nothing short of miraculous.
<v Speaker 19>It's also about Rhino trying to have a career night.
<v Speaker 13>It's about Rhino.
<v Speaker 3>Trying to ring. That's a valley driver in the chair.
<v Speaker 3>It's a rough, rough landing cover by Rhino gets too
<v Speaker 3>heard that ship, Jesus, let's see this again.
<v Speaker 4>Hodo trumps fast right to the steel.
<v Speaker 20>For the power by Rhino drops backwards, Sabo his head.
<v Speaker 10>They even got the ring sound back, Yeah, definitely sounds
<v Speaker 10>a lot rougher and the w W ring. Yeah, the
<v Speaker 10>rof gets taken out, the.
<v Speaker 4>Gore Downie is dead.
<v Speaker 3>Somebody koles parents, I'll drive her by Rhinow Jesus trying.
<v Speaker 10>To talk about Sabo's historic neck injuries. Van Dam limps
<v Speaker 10>in fucking get to chair and.
<v Speaker 3>Throws end right, just tosses it at Rhino's face.
<v Speaker 10>I love, of course, what's set up him winning the
<v Speaker 10>w W title from John Cena the next year?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, as much as anybody.
<v Speaker 7>It's not just his name and then.
<v Speaker 10>Uh and then uh uh proving himself to not be well,
<v Speaker 10>that's right, and who was in the car Saboo, that's right?
<v Speaker 10>And skateboard drop kicking Rhino's face in the corner. I
<v Speaker 10>mean he did it, I mean on his bad wheel
<v Speaker 10>right here, table in the ring.
<v Speaker 4>Get the tables with all apologies, you're watching the man
<v Speaker 4>a little bit.
<v Speaker 10>It's another thing too by now, Like get the tables
<v Speaker 10>was a w W thing, Nick doing his best to
<v Speaker 10>let the audience know that it was sad, innovated and
<v Speaker 10>popularized the table bump what not the kind of credit
<v Speaker 10>he would ever expect to get a WW broadcast?
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that like that was the dumbest fucking thing.
<v Speaker 10>Arabian facebuster through the table, goes Rhino cod.
<v Speaker 3>Like he wasn't even on the table, you know he
<v Speaker 3>was because his head was on the table. Head was
<v Speaker 3>on the table. Yeah, well that's all I needed was
<v Speaker 3>targeting ahead.
<v Speaker 4>Boom Bomb.
<v Speaker 3>Got the authentic song from the One night Stand.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so true.
<v Speaker 10>Saboo and RVD doing the one finger point to the
<v Speaker 10>sky postmatch scenes here One night Stand two thousand and five.
<v Speaker 3>I mean that that table exploded? Really did Sabo put
<v Speaker 3>himself at the table as much as he put Rhino
<v Speaker 3>through it, I don't saying like that's that's the thing
<v Speaker 3>about it, Like when you really look at it, Rhino
<v Speaker 3>barely get touched. You know, that was all saboo.
<v Speaker 10>Oh we've seen a moon salt on the tables with
<v Speaker 10>no opponent within two miles of it. So yeah, yea,
<v Speaker 10>So Sabbo was getting a little bit of that spotlight here.
<v Speaker 10>Sure sure as ECW gets a new lease on life
<v Speaker 10>and here talking in a shoot interview with Title Match,
<v Speaker 10>Sabu reflects on how this all came together.
<v Speaker 13>Well, you came in for the original one night stands
<v Speaker 13>that they had.
<v Speaker 21>I think you wrestled with Rhino on the first one, yeah,
<v Speaker 21>and then you had Raymond Sterio on the second one.
<v Speaker 11>Those matches they gave me creative freedom. I should say
<v Speaker 11>they didn't hug taty at all. The only thing was
<v Speaker 11>when I was wrestling Rhino, Fence goes, just break a table.
<v Speaker 13>I go no.
<v Speaker 11>I said, Okay, I'll break a table. I'm gonna set
<v Speaker 11>it up like this and I'm gonna tease it and
<v Speaker 11>I'm gonna come back to it and break it. He goes, no,
<v Speaker 11>just break it.
<v Speaker 22>I go no.
<v Speaker 11>I gotta set it up, come back to it, and
<v Speaker 11>then break it. He goes, no, just break it. I said, okay,
<v Speaker 11>I'll just break it. But I didn't. I set it up,
<v Speaker 11>teased it, came back to boom, and then then I go,
<v Speaker 11>do you see what I mean?
<v Speaker 3>Denny? See what I met?
<v Speaker 6>He didn't know.
<v Speaker 11>He was just trying to get the spoted. He didn't
<v Speaker 11>know the spot meant something and.
<v Speaker 13>There was more to you than just just the spot itself.
<v Speaker 23>Yeah, more than just break a table. It's gonna, you know,
<v Speaker 23>look like part of the match.
<v Speaker 11>And so I didn't like pulling tables out from under
<v Speaker 11>the ring or walking down carrying a table, because why
<v Speaker 11>would you carry a table? Why would a table even
<v Speaker 11>be a weapon? I rean that's a weapons because.
<v Speaker 12>It was by ring side.
<v Speaker 11>I would never be, Hey, give me a table. I'm
<v Speaker 11>gonna go out and pay this guy like table wait
<v Speaker 11>more than I do. And you know it's ridiculous. So
<v Speaker 11>why would I. I completely disagree with how they make,
<v Speaker 11>uh make me and everybody else use the tables by
<v Speaker 11>pulling them out from under the ring or have a
<v Speaker 11>stack up under the ring. Why would there be a
<v Speaker 11>stack of tables? There's a stack of tables don't happen
<v Speaker 11>with the power ring around unless unless you put it there.
<v Speaker 11>You know, Now, I broke a table. Was like I
<v Speaker 11>said before, I used it because there was a ringside furniture,
<v Speaker 11>a chair, a bell, a microphone, bring announcer, a table,
<v Speaker 11>you know, stuff that you need for wrestling. But not
<v Speaker 11>that not that far fetched. So I used that table
<v Speaker 11>because it was there, not because it was a It
<v Speaker 11>was a prop. It got to be a prop later
<v Speaker 11>to where it was hitting under the ring or he walked.
<v Speaker 23>Down with it or whatever.
<v Speaker 21>Yeah, like you said, it doesn't make any sense that
<v Speaker 21>I would never go into a real fight either asking
<v Speaker 21>give me.
<v Speaker 23>Can they tell him I'm not gonna fight this guy.
<v Speaker 23>I don't matter as hell, give me a table.
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's funny.
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<v Speaker 10>Sorrow in a lot of ways, kind of the last
<v Speaker 10>thing you'd expect to hear from Sabou of all people,
<v Speaker 10>considering how gratuitously he used tables. But to him, there
<v Speaker 10>is always psychology behind the table use. It might always
<v Speaker 10>seemed that way, but it kind of runs against what
<v Speaker 10>he's saying when he takes the table and bridges it.
<v Speaker 10>But the idea is that it's there for a reason
<v Speaker 10>other than at some point in a wrestling match, someone's
<v Speaker 10>gonna want to break one of these. So let's have
<v Speaker 10>him stacked up under the ring right right, And you
<v Speaker 10>can see what he's talking about there in the match
<v Speaker 10>where he makes a point before they go through the
<v Speaker 10>table to kind of position the table earlier and kind
<v Speaker 10>of demonstrate that the table was there for reasons other
<v Speaker 10>than a wrestling spot, and they don't get to it
<v Speaker 10>till later. And apparently that was something that he had
<v Speaker 10>trouble communicating to Vince, because Vince was just like, just
<v Speaker 10>do the break the table. He just do it, and
<v Speaker 10>he's like, no, I gonna do this other thing.
<v Speaker 3>No I don't.
<v Speaker 10>Who's the right who says you gotta do anything? Just
<v Speaker 10>just fucking do what I say? And how about that?
<v Speaker 10>That was well, he would learn, he would learn eventually,
<v Speaker 10>but that was big that. That's that's the story of Saboo.
<v Speaker 10>Like he goes to these other organizations that aren't just
<v Speaker 10>hiring him to do his thing with all the rules
<v Speaker 10>that he wants, Like.
<v Speaker 3>If we if we allow him and do whatever he wants,
<v Speaker 3>is there a chance that he could kill himself? If so,
<v Speaker 3>let's do it. Perhaps I endorse it. At that point, Bell,
<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm a big fan. If he can, if we
<v Speaker 3>can actually rid ourselves of this man forever, let him
<v Speaker 3>do whatever he wants. Have him go headfirst through a
<v Speaker 3>table onto a bucket of spikes. How about that? Absolutely
<v Speaker 3>big win? Which big win, which tells you more why.
<v Speaker 10>He also kind of bristled at other wrestlers using tables
<v Speaker 10>just to get a table crash in on a show
<v Speaker 10>because to him, the table were an outgrowth of what
<v Speaker 10>he came to the ring to do every night, and
<v Speaker 10>the other characters on the show shouldn't be so crazy
<v Speaker 10>that they'd consider using a table in the earliest days.
<v Speaker 10>But it was like, no, this is actually just a
<v Speaker 10>signature of what fans want to see when they buy
<v Speaker 10>a ticket. So if you're not here, Sabu, someone else
<v Speaker 10>is breaking a table. And you know what, even when
<v Speaker 10>you are here, four other matches going to break tables
<v Speaker 10>because that's just the direction we're going in. So it's
<v Speaker 10>funny that after all of that, after he loses the
<v Speaker 10>plot to that degree that WWE already has like ten
<v Speaker 10>years of breaking tables under their belt before they bring
<v Speaker 10>him in in two thousand and five, that he's still
<v Speaker 10>insisting on these like finer points of table psychology, right,
<v Speaker 10>like you've lost the battle, my friend, but he still
<v Speaker 10>insists on it. As part of the reason I don't
<v Speaker 10>think he ever fit in with any major wrestling office,
<v Speaker 10>it's because, like he really was insecure if he couldn't
<v Speaker 10>do the match exactly as he wanted to. That's why
<v Speaker 10>the first thing out of his mouth and that clip
<v Speaker 10>I think is they gave me a lot of creative freedom,
<v Speaker 10>because he doesn't expect that, and he's he comes in
<v Speaker 10>almost ready to have a fight about that. That's hilarious
<v Speaker 10>or like to agree, you know, to tell Vince he'll
<v Speaker 10>do what he asked him to do and then go
<v Speaker 10>out there and do something different. Anyway, he only did
<v Speaker 10>that in the match. He also did that in the
<v Speaker 10>Hall of Fame induction ceremony where they put the chic in,
<v Speaker 10>where there's this big, long back and forth with him
<v Speaker 10>and Vince about whether he should say anything, and Vince
<v Speaker 10>thought it'd be really cool and important to the audience
<v Speaker 10>if Sabou kind of talked at length for the first
<v Speaker 10>time about his uncle, and he kind of told Vince
<v Speaker 10>that he would do just that and speak from the heart,
<v Speaker 10>and then all he did is go out there and
<v Speaker 10>say this means a lot to my family, thank you,
<v Speaker 10>and just kind of wow, and Vince was pissed at him.
<v Speaker 10>We'll get more to that later, but that was also
<v Speaker 10>kind of why Saboo never really fit into the Big
<v Speaker 10>two was because he was going to do what he
<v Speaker 10>thought he had to do to get over in a
<v Speaker 10>sustainable way. That is to say, he didn't want to
<v Speaker 10>get over executing someone else's vision that didn't come naturally
<v Speaker 10>to him. Like he could either get over and stay
<v Speaker 10>over being Saboo and doing what his instinct told him
<v Speaker 10>to do, or he didn't really want to do it.
<v Speaker 10>And that's kind of a testament to who he was,
<v Speaker 10>for better or for worse, for a detriment or benefit.
<v Speaker 10>So when to turn again to his book, here Boss,
<v Speaker 10>I've laced you with some passages. This is from Saboo's
<v Speaker 10>book talking about the whole pretense of him coming to
<v Speaker 10>the WWE. A lot of people will come up to
<v Speaker 10>me and ask me about my time in the WWE,
<v Speaker 10>with all the stuff I did everywhere around the globe
<v Speaker 10>with wrestling. I often find it odd that some fans
<v Speaker 10>focus on that point in my career. The funny thing
<v Speaker 10>is looking at the entire spectrum of my thirty plus
<v Speaker 10>years in the business. I was only in WWE for
<v Speaker 10>one year, from two thousand and six two thousand and seven.
<v Speaker 10>I guess it makes sense that sometimes this short little
<v Speaker 10>stint of my life is such a defining one. That
<v Speaker 10>company has such a huge reach that many mainstream wrestling
<v Speaker 10>fans across the world only really know me from my
<v Speaker 10>time with World Wrestling Entertainment. But at all, it's just
<v Speaker 10>funny hearing him say that it is to say World
<v Speaker 10>Wrestling Entertainment. I should say too before you continue, like
<v Speaker 10>a big Yes. Rob van Dam has come out Scorched
<v Speaker 10>Earth on this book. After Sabu's passing, we had gotten it,
<v Speaker 10>really yeah, we had a taste of it from his
<v Speaker 10>first podcast.
<v Speaker 3>Started reading from the book. Uh.
<v Speaker 10>He kind of you know, quibbled with a few things
<v Speaker 10>that were in his forward, his own forward about you
<v Speaker 10>know how violent the training sessions actually got with Saboo
<v Speaker 10>when they were first starting. Uh to learn the business
<v Speaker 10>and his thing is like a lot of a lot
<v Speaker 10>of the phraseology that the author puts into the malice
<v Speaker 10>of Sabu and others just they would never talk like that,
<v Speaker 10>you know.
<v Speaker 3>I see, And it's just I mean, but is he
<v Speaker 3>is he outright liing? Is there outright lies in this
<v Speaker 3>or is it?
<v Speaker 1>No?
<v Speaker 10>I don't think it's outright lies. I think it's just
<v Speaker 10>the verb. Well, if you read like three pages of
<v Speaker 10>someone talking as if they were you, and they're using
<v Speaker 10>words you would never use.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 10>Maybe he had an expectation that someone would interview him
<v Speaker 10>and use his exact words, but that's not really a
<v Speaker 10>forward like you have to write. You have to write
<v Speaker 10>the forward yourself, not just speak it, you know, in
<v Speaker 10>an interview if you want to have that level. But
<v Speaker 10>then there's some somebody that's hitting them on Twitter saying
<v Speaker 10>he agreed to it and it was fine with it.
<v Speaker 10>Now he's not fine with it. But you know, that's right.
<v Speaker 10>I like, there's nothing more wrestling than like arguing about perception,
<v Speaker 10>you know, and arguing about context and all that shit.
<v Speaker 3>After the fact. If it cast well, you know, you
<v Speaker 3>can't you're not going You're not gonna steer. You're gonna
<v Speaker 3>be steered right more than you are wrong. If you
<v Speaker 3>follow Kim woodsleed.
<v Speaker 10>That's all same, absolutely, absolutely, So just bear that in
<v Speaker 10>mind as we go through some of these excerpts.
<v Speaker 3>When it all started for me in New York, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, I love the idea of still calling it
<v Speaker 3>New York, you know, like it's the New York territory.
<v Speaker 10>Right, he worked in New York for five hundred thousand
<v Speaker 10>times of pre CW Right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 13>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>When it all started from me in New York, the
<v Speaker 3>company was getting ready for the WDE version of One
<v Speaker 3>Night Stand, which many looked at as an ECW reunion
<v Speaker 3>pay per view. What had happened at the start of
<v Speaker 3>it was a number of people from WWE had tried
<v Speaker 3>to contact me, not just one. I was away when
<v Speaker 3>I got all these messages from from some different people,
<v Speaker 3>uh uh in the company. They were all trying to
<v Speaker 3>pull me in. There was a call from Tommy Dreamer,
<v Speaker 3>a call from Vince McMahon himself. I believe, I believe
<v Speaker 3>you know, dude, you remember that. I know that's such
<v Speaker 3>a man called you. That's such a weird thing to qualify.
<v Speaker 3>And I and also a call from Johnny the dickhead
<v Speaker 3>ace Let's get it, who I also call the Master
<v Speaker 3>of the snow job. Now, despite the fact that there
<v Speaker 3>were some ill feelings from the guys about Paul Hayman,
<v Speaker 3>still it seemed he had my back a little and
<v Speaker 3>gave me a call when my name was being thrown
<v Speaker 3>around the table. Paul said, Terry, you need to work
<v Speaker 3>the pay perview payoff into the contract. You make sure
<v Speaker 3>you tell them twenty five thousand for one night's stand,
<v Speaker 3>because you can totally get that for that one appearance alone,
<v Speaker 3>being the focal point of the pay perview you think.
<v Speaker 3>But also tell them that you have to have Phonsie
<v Speaker 3>and you have to have me that night. What if
<v Speaker 3>they don't go for it, I asked, they will, just
<v Speaker 3>make sure you ask for more money. Also tell them
<v Speaker 3>that sounds like a fucking uh kim Wood thing too. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 3>it does, absolutely, But also tell them that you have
<v Speaker 3>to also tell them you have to go over and
<v Speaker 3>I have to be involved in the match. Sound good?
<v Speaker 3>You think they'll buy it? I'm pretty sure they will.
<v Speaker 3>As I am pitching to vince himself that they need
<v Speaker 3>to have the full ECW flavor. He knows that his
<v Speaker 3>hardcore fans will not accept the cheap imitation until he
<v Speaker 3>forces the cheap invitation right, right, So he's going to
<v Speaker 3>have to go all the way with it. And Paul
<v Speaker 3>was right. The former puppet master of ECW pulled some
<v Speaker 3>strings behind the scenes and I was signed, say what
<v Speaker 3>you will. But Paul really knows his shit, so immediately
<v Speaker 3>the artist formerly known as the King of the Independence
<v Speaker 3>was thrown right into the mix in the biggest wrestling
<v Speaker 3>promotion in the world.
<v Speaker 10>See to me, that's Paul going to bat to get
<v Speaker 10>Sabu paid when he could. Yes, So to actli like
<v Speaker 10>that didn't happen is to not pay enough attention. And
<v Speaker 10>Sabou was pretty conciliatory towards Paul at the end. You know,
<v Speaker 10>he didn't go to his grave talking as much shit
<v Speaker 10>as he could about Paul human probably because of things
<v Speaker 10>like this. Now, does that benefit Paul as much as Saboo? Yeah,
<v Speaker 10>in a way, because Paul has to, you know, present
<v Speaker 10>the authentic experience, and he's it's in his interest to
<v Speaker 10>have the wrestlers draw those hard lines because it's just
<v Speaker 10>not worth it to bring somebody in if you can't
<v Speaker 10>do something that feels authentic in this environment. And while
<v Speaker 10>it is true that eventually Vince did, of course create
<v Speaker 10>a watered down version, you don't get to the point
<v Speaker 10>where it's a viable idea to do a weekly ECW
<v Speaker 10>television show. If these first two one night stands didn't
<v Speaker 10>come off as authentic, you know that that's that's sort
<v Speaker 10>of like a necessary precondition to what would become a
<v Speaker 10>weekly television idea, which then of course was put through
<v Speaker 10>the WWE washing machine. You know, you're not going to
<v Speaker 10>show up to the same building you're about to tape
<v Speaker 10>smack down in and do it. ECW show that feels
<v Speaker 10>like it took place, you know, in an Elks lodge
<v Speaker 10>in Queens as as you can't, right, And they did
<v Speaker 10>try to put the ECW television show on the road
<v Speaker 10>and some of the traditional DCW arena settings, and it
<v Speaker 10>just they just were too paranoid, frankly about the ratings.
<v Speaker 10>Because this was on sci Fi. This is primetime cable.
<v Speaker 10>Sci Fi is part of the same family of networks
<v Speaker 10>as USA Network. They have to please them. And when
<v Speaker 10>Vince kind of doesn't think it's going to draw a rating,
<v Speaker 10>he'll put like he did, fucking Batista and the Big
<v Speaker 10>Show wrestling each other in the main event of an
<v Speaker 10>ECW show. DX would show up on ECW vince himself
<v Speaker 10>so pathetic. We'd become the ECW champion with the dow
<v Speaker 10>rag on Bobby Lashley, What.
<v Speaker 3>Are we doing?
<v Speaker 13>You know?
<v Speaker 3>It was a fucking like that. That was it. It
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to be able to wanted to be able
<v Speaker 3>to say, I fucking am the am the the ECW Champion.
<v Speaker 3>Damn it, I didn't. I won the goddamn goold.
<v Speaker 10>It's wild to me that Sabu went back to TNA
<v Speaker 10>after this. I always think of TNA as what he
<v Speaker 10>did and got out of his system so to speak,
<v Speaker 10>before the ECW reunion shows and we but he did
<v Speaker 10>the first one night stand and then went to TNA
<v Speaker 10>and then went back to WWE. So he did TNA
<v Speaker 10>between the two to one night stands.
<v Speaker 3>That's so wild.
<v Speaker 10>And before he hit the TNA circuit, he did do
<v Speaker 10>a few more shows for the Hardcore Homecoming Extreme Reunion
<v Speaker 10>Tour promotion that presented the show against one night Stand
<v Speaker 10>from the ECW arena that Shane Douglass was promoting. He
<v Speaker 10>worked for that promotion again because they would do more
<v Speaker 10>than one. It was sort of going to be, you know,
<v Speaker 10>on a regular clip. We're going to do ECW reunion
<v Speaker 10>nostalgia shows.
<v Speaker 3>At the arena. It's not just a one night only thing. Yeah.
<v Speaker 10>So on September sixteenth, two thousand and five, in Cleveland,
<v Speaker 10>the promotion did a show where Shane Douglas beat Jerry
<v Speaker 10>lynnon Saboo at a three way, and then a night
<v Speaker 10>two of the tour in Monaca, Pennsylvania, Sabou defeated the
<v Speaker 10>Sandman and a revisitation of their Stairway to Hell match
<v Speaker 10>that we looked at last week on the Tribute. That
<v Speaker 10>was September seventeenth of two thousand and five, the fall
<v Speaker 10>of two thousand and five, November thirteenth, to be specific.
<v Speaker 10>It's off to Universal Studios in Orlando, where TNA was
<v Speaker 10>of course doing all of its television and pay per
<v Speaker 10>views at the time, to rematch the opponent that in
<v Speaker 10>a lot of ways patterned himself after Sabu and brought
<v Speaker 10>himself to prominence once he embraced the style of Sabu Abyss.
<v Speaker 10>This had gotten a pretty strong push in TNA before
<v Speaker 10>this as a guy with size and some working ability
<v Speaker 10>who had somewhat a unique gimmick, but you look at
<v Speaker 10>the face mask, the Hannibal Elector face mask used to wear.
<v Speaker 10>Look the emphasis on tacks and chairs and broken tables
<v Speaker 10>in a lot of way, in barbed wire and a
<v Speaker 10>lot of ways. Abyss was very reminiscent, very evocative of
<v Speaker 10>the spirit of Saboo. And we can put him in
<v Speaker 10>the category along with Rob Van Dam and several others
<v Speaker 10>Taz that Sabu really allowed to carve a niche out
<v Speaker 10>by working the kind of matches Sabu could work against
<v Speaker 10>them and taking the kind of bumps for them that
<v Speaker 10>Sabu could take. He set a guy up like a
<v Speaker 10>set a guy like Abyss up to me to be
<v Speaker 10>taken a little bit more seriously in the wrestling business,
<v Speaker 10>interesting as a guy that could have a really memorable
<v Speaker 10>blowout match that you wouldn't forget and an opponent that
<v Speaker 10>could be a foil to show that side of your
<v Speaker 10>game and to be able to flex that side of
<v Speaker 10>what you could do. And so here we're gonna go
<v Speaker 10>to TNA Genesis two thousand and five. This is boy,
<v Speaker 10>the no disqualification match and Boss, if you could load
<v Speaker 10>it up here and make sure you get through the
<v Speaker 10>ads some of these versions of these matches that we
<v Speaker 10>track down or on AD supported of video sites. So
<v Speaker 10>you have to bear with us a bit if we
<v Speaker 10>encounter an ADD or two. I've gotten past the ads
<v Speaker 10>and I'm ready when you are on that front.
<v Speaker 3>But this was Genesis so five, So this is let's
<v Speaker 3>think what if I know, I wonderfully, I did you
<v Speaker 3>know during the teenage thing, I did download a bunch
<v Speaker 3>of fucking Yeah. This one gets us right to the point. Yeah. Sure,
<v Speaker 3>So this is before.
<v Speaker 10>Kurd Angle has come in, because you know what Kord
<v Speaker 10>Angle is. He's in Ecwright says, TNAM breakable, Okay, but
<v Speaker 10>it's pretty sure it's Genesis Okay, the no disqualification match here. Yeah,
<v Speaker 10>he was about to come into TNA, but from ECW
<v Speaker 10>in his own right after ECW gets resurrected as a
<v Speaker 10>weekly television show in w W, at one point they
<v Speaker 10>put the ECW title on Kurt Angle, and Kurt was
<v Speaker 10>going to be the ECW flag bearer. He was going
<v Speaker 10>to bring that wow, that hard hitting soup lex heavy
<v Speaker 10>shooter style with the mouthpiece in and he's going to
<v Speaker 10>kind of become that killer in ECW. And of course
<v Speaker 10>he ended up leaving the company amidst a deep, deep
<v Speaker 10>issue with painkillers that kind of ire so bizarre they
<v Speaker 10>like announced it on the TV show and announced it
<v Speaker 10>on ww dot com that were releasing Kurt Anton pushing
<v Speaker 10>him as pushing him the best.
<v Speaker 3>And course they did, of course they did come on
<v Speaker 3>like he's gonna kill himself, you know.
<v Speaker 10>God, that was such a strange time the way they
<v Speaker 10>would manage kind of the the public relations of it,
<v Speaker 10>all of the wellness policy era. You know, it's like
<v Speaker 10>this expectation that they would disclose to the public when
<v Speaker 10>someone had a wellness issue or flunk to test. You
<v Speaker 10>never hear about that anymore. But that was when they
<v Speaker 10>had their foot forward after Eddie died, before Benoit. That
<v Speaker 10>that period between then they were every every week there
<v Speaker 10>was some fucking thing, you know, yep, and and Sabu
<v Speaker 10>was were about to talk about. And as you've already
<v Speaker 10>referenced in Rob van Dam, we're going to fit into
<v Speaker 10>that as well and be someone victimized by it quite soon.
<v Speaker 10>But here we go to the November two thousand and
<v Speaker 10>five collision between Abyss and Sabu, and that's hit play
<v Speaker 10>in three two one play.
<v Speaker 7>Apparently pre role.
<v Speaker 3>Jim Mitchell.
<v Speaker 19>Because they obviously didn't hear me.
<v Speaker 3>But I made it clear that's not obviously.
<v Speaker 7>A monster.
<v Speaker 3>How does it make you feel that Abyss is in
<v Speaker 3>the latest W game? It's everyone, It's uncomfortable. Yeah, TNA
<v Speaker 3>is basically at this point. I know.
<v Speaker 10>They show impact footage on n X two Weekly. Two
<v Speaker 10>thousand and five, by the year was the best year
<v Speaker 10>ever for TNA terms of product quality.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, wow, so this is lights went out. I'm Rhino
<v Speaker 3>and Abyss. We're talking. Raven came, came, came, came, came, Hey, came, came.
<v Speaker 4>Can one no longer feels the pain?
<v Speaker 10>So by coming back to save Raven, it was kind
<v Speaker 10>of a callback, but also an abandonment of their original
<v Speaker 10>two thousand and.
<v Speaker 3>Two TV storyline.
<v Speaker 10>Just post Chris Candido has beloved you a E c
<v Speaker 10>W opponent, I'm going to work for TNA and then passing.
<v Speaker 3>Away to a blood clot.
<v Speaker 2>Mass destruction.
<v Speaker 10>It's guys like Jeff Hardy and Savo taking these bumps
<v Speaker 10>that got Abyss over as this weapon of mass destruction.
<v Speaker 3>All right, this never had to talk, right, did you
<v Speaker 3>get that a different Yeah?
<v Speaker 24>No, he did not Hang Hang Hang Hang Hang Hang
<v Speaker 24>Hang Hang Hang Hang Hang Hang Hang Hang Hang Hang
<v Speaker 24>Hang Hang.
<v Speaker 3>Hang and hang winkinking Hang Win Han King.
<v Speaker 25>Six eight.
<v Speaker 10>Does say unbreakable on the on the banner, Yeah so
<v Speaker 10>might it must be in wrestling data they have this
<v Speaker 10>is taking place, said uh, Genesis, But I may I
<v Speaker 10>think Genesis Smithfield have been on the teenage paper of
<v Speaker 10>your name until two thousand and six.
<v Speaker 26>But Michael's jad, what are the half breaks down a
<v Speaker 26>phis as a one from Fine and Nobody.
<v Speaker 10>When you look at that, pretty is pretty much is
<v Speaker 10>the mask that Sabo was wearing in the very beginning
<v Speaker 10>of ACW.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, what's here?
<v Speaker 4>From James Mitchell sebu, you, sir, are on the fast
<v Speaker 4>track to extinction.
<v Speaker 22>APIs had no problem with you until you decided to
<v Speaker 22>stick your nose and his business and interfere. But he
<v Speaker 22>was in the midst of decimating Raven. Now, Sabo, you
<v Speaker 22>may be a hardcore icon, but not even you can
<v Speaker 22>withstand a head on collision with a six foot eight,
<v Speaker 22>three hundred and fifty pounds weapon of mass destruction.
<v Speaker 3>So so hardcore there it is.
<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling terrible.
<v Speaker 22>Let's do things your way. Let's throw the rule book
<v Speaker 22>out of the window and make this a no disqualification match.
<v Speaker 22>But just rest assured, Rest assured Saboo that when you
<v Speaker 22>stick your head through these ropes tonight, you will be
<v Speaker 22>signing your Nashville.
<v Speaker 7>There's more than one way.
<v Speaker 2>Ways to make it big.
<v Speaker 3>You get an AD, I got an AD? Yeah good,
<v Speaker 3>all right, let me know when you're skipped. I know.
<v Speaker 3>Oh there's another one. This is great.
<v Speaker 10>Oh good, gotta love it. I'll love add supported video.
<v Speaker 10>Big thumbs up. I'm sure the exact kind of impression
<v Speaker 10>that this advertiser thought they were getting when they spent
<v Speaker 10>on yep, digital video.
<v Speaker 3>Yep. It's just fucking great. That's the reality.
<v Speaker 24>I know.
<v Speaker 3>That's we deserve it, all right, this is what we u.
<v Speaker 3>You want to pay tribute to Saboo. You gotta you
<v Speaker 3>gotta pay for ads here, right, we're back. I'm up
<v Speaker 3>there yet. Okay, I'm back now on that. Uh okay,
<v Speaker 3>I'm a four or five? Are you two? One? Play?
<v Speaker 10>Let's go out come back on. Sabo is already in
<v Speaker 10>the ring. Cloud's going nuts. Some men need no Internet
<v Speaker 10>excited ring days by the way, Oh yeah, stupid days.
<v Speaker 27>Sambo qualification matchup against the Monster Abyss.
<v Speaker 19>You look at Sam Boom and to try and take
<v Speaker 19>him down with right hands. I'm not sure that's a
<v Speaker 19>wise move.
<v Speaker 3>A couple of right sab grabs him and punches him
<v Speaker 3>in the head. Remember that chance. Oh oh, this sucks.
<v Speaker 3>They got to sign. They're chanting it, may I remember
<v Speaker 3>that difficult Wow.
<v Speaker 27>When you match up two of the most unpredictable, most
<v Speaker 27>out of control Winsler's.
<v Speaker 19>In the history of this business.
<v Speaker 27>When you factor in James Mitchell at ringside in the
<v Speaker 27>corner of Abyss.
<v Speaker 10>You know this is going to be It's kind of
<v Speaker 10>wild that this happened after he did that in One
<v Speaker 10>night Stand.
<v Speaker 3>What we just watch? Yes, it really it's bizarre. He
<v Speaker 3>was stable to go back and forth like that.
<v Speaker 19>Here, it's notice quality.
<v Speaker 10>The only one we've seen as in some of the
<v Speaker 10>Irish Web Sabo ducks a line and starts throwing on
<v Speaker 10>a vest.
<v Speaker 3>This is a different kind of opponent than we've seen
<v Speaker 3>him work during this tribute. Yeah.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, he's under you know, he's undersized, he's get stars.
<v Speaker 10>It's fighting from underneath, you know. Oh my god, do
<v Speaker 10>you really have a commercial?
<v Speaker 3>Well?
<v Speaker 10>It is so bizarre, and that I'm hearing the commercial,
<v Speaker 10>but not seeing the commercial. Really, this is getting really annoying, folks.
<v Speaker 10>I'm sorry about this.
<v Speaker 3>That's bizarre. I did not expect this how many I
<v Speaker 3>could probably rip it in like ten minutes. See, we're back.
<v Speaker 3>It should be okay, where are you? What's your oh?
<v Speaker 3>Six oh seven? Okay? Man three two one, n play.
<v Speaker 3>I think I know how to prevent that again, folks,
<v Speaker 3>Ellen and belly overhead release Jesus. Who is he taz?
<v Speaker 3>This is here to toss, folks. Yes, the only thing
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't toss is a salad. Right, Yeah, that's clear.
<v Speaker 19>It is sad.
<v Speaker 3>We grabbed the chair, but he get his hands stumped
<v Speaker 3>on the way in and here we go.
<v Speaker 10>Oh we drop kicked the leg out. See Sabine was
<v Speaker 10>how to cut down the tree trunks? Sure, Arabian face
<v Speaker 10>buster Jesus the chair n c W chant Savo scrambling
<v Speaker 10>for the cover.
<v Speaker 3>Cha chair Oh or Sabou clothes line three sixty over
<v Speaker 3>the top to the floor of Jesus.
<v Speaker 10>They spill violently. That is one thing about having Sabou
<v Speaker 10>style is you actually get browdie points for doing an
<v Speaker 10>occasional pink cover attempt.
<v Speaker 3>Yeap o. The wrestlers in the business, Like, how can
<v Speaker 3>I get all kinds of credit for occasionally covering a guy?
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, right, sabou breaking the Golden rule and fishing a
<v Speaker 10>table out from under the ring that is there for
<v Speaker 10>no other reason.
<v Speaker 3>Oh I think he broke it. Oh he's not standing out.
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ. What an idiot got one.
<v Speaker 19>Leg stack down? Oh he's got something in store here
<v Speaker 19>on the biss that's for sure.
<v Speaker 4>Reels off a.
<v Speaker 19>Series of right hand.
<v Speaker 4>Study.
<v Speaker 2>The problem was that the carry of the table buckled.
<v Speaker 10>All in and it turns tamble a little bit to
<v Speaker 10>the table is on one leg, kind of tilted a
<v Speaker 10>best noses morns.
<v Speaker 3>Are there and.
<v Speaker 7>Meat dasher.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, my god, I I have it. Give me.
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be uploaded in like two seconds. Here, thank you.
<v Speaker 3>You can actually watch it springing into action, boss. Yeah, noious,
<v Speaker 3>because it's intolerable. Intolerable, it absolutely is. Absolutely this is how.
<v Speaker 10>We have to watch a lot of episodes of Raw
<v Speaker 10>that they took away from us. Now, right, it's ridiculous.
<v Speaker 10>At w W you can't find a way. Well, in
<v Speaker 10>fairness a DNA. They have a streaming service there. We're
<v Speaker 10>not subscribed to at the moment, So there is a
<v Speaker 10>way to do it.
<v Speaker 3>But they do have a lot of shit on their surprise,
<v Speaker 3>it's not up on their on their YouTube.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, they put a lot, especially more modern stuff, but
<v Speaker 10>I couldn't find this one on there. Maybe it is
<v Speaker 10>uploaded now, Okay, all right, so we'll we'll pull this
<v Speaker 10>baby up for your viewing pleasure and perhaps navigate.
<v Speaker 3>Let me see, I don't know where I was. I
<v Speaker 3>think it was a different spot. Oh yeah, I didn't
<v Speaker 3>even say we're Let me just get through this stupid
<v Speaker 3>ad here. What a disgrace. We live in a beautiful world, folks,
<v Speaker 3>where I mean, hey, listen, you know what we were
<v Speaker 3>complaining about ads, but we do support ad ads. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>at the same time, yeah, for sure, you know it's necessary.
<v Speaker 10>Unless unless, unless you're willing to you know, pledge, like
<v Speaker 10>on a subscription basis like Patreon or the network or something.
<v Speaker 10>But give me the option.
<v Speaker 3>That's my point. Give me the exactly exactly. Don't just
<v Speaker 3>say your only chance is to do this. I mean
<v Speaker 3>also to not actually have like scheduled like I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>break it up at a reasonable pace, not at random
<v Speaker 3>like this. I mean, it's like where where the fuck? Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you know what's going on, have pre and post roles.
<v Speaker 3>It's perfectly fine, thank you very much. So I'm, to
<v Speaker 3>your point, not able to determine where we were because
<v Speaker 3>I was around. I'm trying to see here where I
<v Speaker 3>came back, although it's a little bit I was. I
<v Speaker 3>think it was eight oh four. Okay, great is where
<v Speaker 3>I believe I was. I had Sabo, I mean, I said,
<v Speaker 3>abyss picking up a fixing it, getting a table going?
<v Speaker 3>All right, here we go three two one play. Thanks
<v Speaker 3>for this, boss. The solar system comes you as well.
<v Speaker 27>Something like taking the table the ring that enabled Shaboo
<v Speaker 27>to come fan behind, but I think Mitchell motioned or
<v Speaker 27>pulled out to a bisiness.
<v Speaker 19>Saboo was headed.
<v Speaker 3>Towards it, roll back into the fray.
<v Speaker 10>Sabo, who's got the chair still to tables right behind
<v Speaker 10>a biss turn around? Who comes a triple jump? Uh,
<v Speaker 10>triple jump off the chair springboards front flip, takes out
<v Speaker 10>a byss without impacting the chair. However, the steel chair
<v Speaker 10>well impacting the tables.
<v Speaker 3>I should say. Crowd's with it, Saboo. Chance up, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>person one's gonna.
<v Speaker 4>Have to I mean, that's just you would beat somebody
<v Speaker 4>of that side.
<v Speaker 19>You got to use your body and make the way
<v Speaker 19>count more than it is that.
<v Speaker 4>You've gotta come over the come up.
<v Speaker 2>You gotta get some.
<v Speaker 3>And that's what he did right there.
<v Speaker 5>He would have to use everywhere.
<v Speaker 10>Probably showed up at the building and realized, Sabo can't
<v Speaker 10>do his match unless it's no O d Q. So
<v Speaker 10>let's have Jim Mitchell get in the ring.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 10>Uh, chair set up Sabo triple jump. Wow, perfect flying
<v Speaker 10>d E T That was that was That was pretty amazing. Honestly,
<v Speaker 10>see dub chance in DNA.
<v Speaker 3>Yep. Oh, I'm not gonna chance t m A. They
<v Speaker 3>would sometimes.
<v Speaker 10>To count for saboge who's nursing the shoulder.
<v Speaker 1>Oh.
<v Speaker 10>He used to throw slapping right hands. Just heard that one,
<v Speaker 10>and then he would say he'd stiff here the first
<v Speaker 10>one and then the next one. The next two would
<v Speaker 10>be super soft, but he'd start off strong.
<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, oh ship. This is seated on the middle rope,
<v Speaker 3>his chest on the top rope. Jesus, Jesus Christ Almighty.
<v Speaker 10>Sabo charged and got belly to belly, tossed over the
<v Speaker 10>top to the floor, through both tables.
<v Speaker 3>What a hillacious ride for Sabo. Have the way up
<v Speaker 3>the way I kicked away the chair. Yeah that was
<v Speaker 3>cool because that took away Sabo's launch pad. At that point,
<v Speaker 3>he is helpless. He's just running into Saboo because nobody
<v Speaker 3>can stop, right. Nobody can stop Saboolest of all, nobody
<v Speaker 3>can stop running. Right.
<v Speaker 2>What an opportunity this is.
<v Speaker 3>He's got all.
<v Speaker 10>Similar to the bump he took against Taz in the
<v Speaker 10>match we watched from Living Dagerously, except he was running. Yeah,
<v Speaker 10>as rolls Saboo back and then gets too Sabu inspecting
<v Speaker 10>the elbow and other body parts that Like Dan.
<v Speaker 3>I feel like after he takes a big bump like that,
<v Speaker 3>he has to find the times in the match, like
<v Speaker 3>check everybody by now, hie if it's still there? Exactly?
<v Speaker 3>He's taking an inventory. I remember the morpho plex ads
<v Speaker 3>on TNA's ring canvas. Oh, horror ful plex. We want
<v Speaker 3>thumb tax is the chant? Oh come on no, we don't.
<v Speaker 3>All right, see that's a persition. Remember this. I guess
<v Speaker 3>Abyss had a reputation for tax already. You know, okay,
<v Speaker 3>you know what. I'd love to see any of you
<v Speaker 3>fucking idiots throw yourselves on the thumb tacks all right, Oh,
<v Speaker 3>chair shot at another he launched too.
<v Speaker 10>Jesus, this went to the unless I'm suffering head trauma,
<v Speaker 10>I'm not entertaining school.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to count for seven, Well it's pretty benoi, so
<v Speaker 3>you know. Yeah, so we didn't.
<v Speaker 10>We didn't think we were setting in motion innocent victim
<v Speaker 10>taking concussions.
<v Speaker 3>Were still smiled upon at this point, like this is
<v Speaker 3>the same thing he did to Rhino leaned across the
<v Speaker 3>table top up with the chair and put himself to
<v Speaker 3>the table ten times harder. What a not? We did
<v Speaker 3>this spot. We did the spot up in New York.
<v Speaker 10>Right, I mean he really fucked himself up on that one. Yeah,
<v Speaker 10>I mean he ended up like landing on his head. Oh,
<v Speaker 10>Sab tries to stand and collapses.
<v Speaker 3>That was good. I can't even fucking stand up.
<v Speaker 10>I'm assuming he's selling I that's the thing you never know, right,
<v Speaker 10>Oh really, there's the cover. Jim Mitchell gets the foot
<v Speaker 10>on the rope in a no DQ environment, you feet
<v Speaker 10>on the rope count.
<v Speaker 3>It shouldn't It shouldn't matter because.
<v Speaker 10>The ref has no recourse, you know, right, talking ship,
<v Speaker 10>Jim Mitchell pulled up on the apron. Sabo takes that
<v Speaker 10>pardon the Abyss takes that opportunity to ambush Saboo.
<v Speaker 3>Black hole slam coming up. That was stupid. He sat,
<v Speaker 3>He dropped his own ass on the table. He's so stupid.
<v Speaker 10>Co by Abyss. It's two wow, Saboo. You jump off
<v Speaker 10>the top rope with a chair and put yourself to
<v Speaker 10>the table at here miles an hour. I'll sit down
<v Speaker 10>on the table with you on my shoulders later. Yeah, seriously,
<v Speaker 10>what do we want thumb tacks? Oh, thumb tacks again?
<v Speaker 10>Come on, you don't want thumb tacks?
<v Speaker 3>All right?
<v Speaker 10>Under the ring, goes Abyss. He finds a sack thousands
<v Speaker 10>of little needles. Now you have Saboo's attention. Back in
<v Speaker 10>big right hand floor, Saboo, Abyss opening up this perverse
<v Speaker 10>black sack.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know about leny perverse.
<v Speaker 4>In the middle of this.
<v Speaker 3>We do love a good perverse black sack. Oh they
<v Speaker 3>are oh Jesus Christ.
<v Speaker 10>Sabo trying to strike before a bisk can capitalize, but
<v Speaker 10>he snatches him with a goosele. Saboo and peril here
<v Speaker 10>the best, lining them up with the tax the left.
<v Speaker 10>Sabo fights and lands. Okay, they need to get free
<v Speaker 10>Sabou positioning himself to knock a biss down under the
<v Speaker 10>tax clothesline doesn't do the trick. It's the best barely budge,
<v Speaker 10>it's the road to the gut. Doubles them over. What's
<v Speaker 10>the bis gonna do?
<v Speaker 3>Power bomb? No no, no, no, no, please don't and
<v Speaker 3>he gets free. Okay, hands on his Jesus Christ.
<v Speaker 10>Through to the gut, puts a biss on an end,
<v Speaker 10>Sabo with a chair, crowns him with MUSHes it in
<v Speaker 10>his head. Triple jump coming up off this seat.
<v Speaker 3>This is stupid. One two, three cuts. Oh my god,
<v Speaker 3>black hole slam out of the tacks and look at
<v Speaker 3>his back. See now now I'm not okay.
<v Speaker 10>Well, look at the blood trickle from the back of
<v Speaker 10>Saboo because he hasn't done enough for the business.
<v Speaker 3>Dude, air back baby. Oh and he's like still rolling
<v Speaker 3>around in them, you know, like this covers and gets three.
<v Speaker 3>At least it was the finish. I mean, because even
<v Speaker 3>if you weren't like beat up enough, you shouldn't want.
<v Speaker 10>To get up after that, right, yeah, you should want
<v Speaker 10>to find a way to lose as fast as possible.
<v Speaker 10>As even got him in the palm of his hand.
<v Speaker 3>As abyss. Yes, the lawyer right here, right, look at
<v Speaker 3>his back that is covered. That should have been his name,
<v Speaker 3>the lawyer Abyss. Well, he was the lawyer. We know that,
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying. K fab the ribs, right brother.
<v Speaker 3>Oh look at this.
<v Speaker 10>He took off off a springboard like he was gonna
<v Speaker 10>do another flying Ddy team.
<v Speaker 3>God can you imagine like having to fucking brush those
<v Speaker 3>off your back? This was not okay, Jesus Christ, the
<v Speaker 3>world introduced to.
<v Speaker 10>A Saboo and Abysses dynamic here. Okay, you would think that,
<v Speaker 10>you know, that's just Sabobi and Saboo doing what it
<v Speaker 10>takes to to get noticed and to be memorable. But
<v Speaker 10>you know what, much like the much like how he
<v Speaker 10>was a stickler for the table psychology, would surprise you
<v Speaker 10>to hear after watching that match that Saboo not the
<v Speaker 10>biggest fan of working with tax.
<v Speaker 28>Like how can more people and catch like aight?
<v Speaker 29>So yeah, you know, you know, especially with the light tunes,
<v Speaker 29>you know, yeah, you know that gives good juice, but
<v Speaker 29>I mean, everybody's bleeding on each other.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't like it.
<v Speaker 29>I don't like thumb tacks, you know, because I don't
<v Speaker 29>want thumb tax sticking you then stick me by word
<v Speaker 29>a little different because I hit that by word, don't
<v Speaker 29>don't you hit it?
<v Speaker 3>You d'enveloped yourself.
<v Speaker 15>Frush praece.
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, you know, I try to, you know.
<v Speaker 29>I try to pay attention to that. I'm not as
<v Speaker 29>the unsanitaryo as people they think. And it cringes me
<v Speaker 29>when I see guys changing blood, especially if they're standing
<v Speaker 29>over somebody and they're bleeding down on them and uh
<v Speaker 29>or they looking there's something. I can't stand that that
<v Speaker 29>means nothing to me.
<v Speaker 28>Oh they did that recently and a w didn't they
<v Speaker 28>somebody like.
<v Speaker 29>Painted something that. No, No, Jerry Lynd did that. I
<v Speaker 29>see the old thing he painted, took his took the
<v Speaker 29>guy's blood, pain himself like that, Like that's not like Jerry,
<v Speaker 29>but I'm sure someone told him to do it.
<v Speaker 3>I would have done. No, that's beyond well.
<v Speaker 29>I almost refuse to do thumbtag matches because it's unsanitary.
<v Speaker 29>And usually the guy who wants to do the thumbtack
<v Speaker 29>the guy that takes them, so I always just turned
<v Speaker 29>on him. So I don't want to be the guy
<v Speaker 29>that takes them or get poked to one of them
<v Speaker 29>pots him.
<v Speaker 10>You know, they're talking to James Momero and the Wrestling
<v Speaker 10>Shoot Interviews website, So yeah, he I don't know. It
<v Speaker 10>sounds like a guy who's contracted a blood borne illness
<v Speaker 10>over the course of his career. Yeah, trafficking and blood
<v Speaker 10>and guts. But this was after that huge healthcare and
<v Speaker 10>virus in late twenty oh four. He's out there doing this,
<v Speaker 10>So I don't know. But uh, I just find that
<v Speaker 10>so funny that he's he's like, he's he's like a
<v Speaker 10>stickler for these things that you think would be the
<v Speaker 10>last thing on his mind. But he's got very particular anxieties,
<v Speaker 10>I would say, about what certain environments can.
<v Speaker 3>Do to him. Yeah, I mean, as you should, honest
<v Speaker 3>to god. I mean, it's it's remarkable that it's it's
<v Speaker 3>it's remarkable that more people haven't gotten some kind of
<v Speaker 3>contract with some disease.
<v Speaker 10>It really is, because these smaller level indie shows, there's
<v Speaker 10>no way there's robust blood testing ahead of time, you know,
<v Speaker 10>to detect STDs and stuff, and they bleed like like
<v Speaker 10>he's saying, the light tubes. It's a great example. It's
<v Speaker 10>like it's not even about taking the initial shot. It's
<v Speaker 10>about bumping the same glass that another guy bumped Rice Blood.
<v Speaker 10>I love that thing about if I hit the barb
<v Speaker 10>wire here, you have to hit it over there. Like
<v Speaker 10>you listen to some of these Shabou interviews over the years,
<v Speaker 10>and it seems like he's the last guy to advocate
<v Speaker 10>for the exact style of matches that everyone wants to
<v Speaker 10>celebrate him for. Those are like the last ones he
<v Speaker 10>wants you to look at as exhibit A and what
<v Speaker 10>he was all about. But we're about to move to
<v Speaker 10>the more famous of the two Abyss matches. That one
<v Speaker 10>kind of set the tone for the Turning Point two
<v Speaker 10>thousand and five match, which took place December eleventh, two
<v Speaker 10>thousand and five at the Universal Studios. This one was
<v Speaker 10>a barb wire massacre Boss two abysses to Sabo's. So
<v Speaker 10>this is one I think that would probably benefit from
<v Speaker 10>you being able to uh to rip too, if you
<v Speaker 10>want to take care of that.
<v Speaker 3>All right, fine, we talk business here, right, what I
<v Speaker 3>need more barbed wire? Yeah, barbed wire massacre? Okay, if yes, sorry,
<v Speaker 3>sorry eat the barbed wire massacre.
<v Speaker 10>So this is like, okay, Mick got over choke slamming
<v Speaker 10>of the tax Check, Sabu got over flying in the
<v Speaker 10>barbed Wire Check. I'm gonna do what got Mick Foley
<v Speaker 10>and Saboo over to a whole other level, and back
<v Speaker 10>to back matches against Sabo here in TNAS they turned
<v Speaker 10>the page into two thousand and six. Saboo would stick
<v Speaker 10>around and in fact would even have a steel cage
<v Speaker 10>match against Samoa Joe when Soma Joe was champion really
<v Speaker 10>and the face of the company in a lot of
<v Speaker 10>ways and doing kind of how was that?
<v Speaker 22>It was?
<v Speaker 10>Okay, it was a short match, but it was an
<v Speaker 10>interesting clash of styles, and it seems.
<v Speaker 3>Like I mean, I say, you know, it's kind of funny.
<v Speaker 3>I was very surprised actually when I saw the length
<v Speaker 3>of I saw the length of of this this match,
<v Speaker 3>the match we just watched, because it's very long, you know,
<v Speaker 3>compared to a lot of Saboo matches which seem to
<v Speaker 3>be very short. Yeah.
<v Speaker 10>Well yeah, not not the u c W ones we watched,
<v Speaker 10>but I mean he did watch.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I guess everything past that seems to be
<v Speaker 3>very you know, yeah.
<v Speaker 10>Because he's kind of he's brought in more to do
<v Speaker 10>a spot or two than to work a program or
<v Speaker 10>a match right of length with returns and stuff. But yeah,
<v Speaker 10>that Samoa Joe one's pretty well remembered, but it's really short.
<v Speaker 10>I believe at the time Sabo was ex division champ
<v Speaker 10>or Samoa Joe rather was X division champ, not world champ.
<v Speaker 10>But he's going into the feud with Kurt that would
<v Speaker 10>put some Joe at that next level. And we all know,
<v Speaker 10>we've talked to we've talked a lot over the years
<v Speaker 10>about how dialed in you were at that ye had.
<v Speaker 10>But it's it's yeah, oh god, yes, oh yes. When
<v Speaker 10>you looked into Kurt's eyes, this is Kurt come out
<v Speaker 10>of the e c W. When you looked in was eyes,
<v Speaker 10>what did you see? Well, you know, doing the Joe angle,
<v Speaker 10>a lot of drugs. I mean, come on, he's fueled
<v Speaker 10>by so much.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean, but you know, I saw what
<v Speaker 3>I what I wanted to see was I wanted to
<v Speaker 3>see competition. I wanted to see legit competition for WB.
<v Speaker 3>The matches uploaded just you know, excellent, just finish, you know,
<v Speaker 3>but I wanted to see I want to see because
<v Speaker 3>because that was my thing back then. My thing was
<v Speaker 3>if there is able to be a company that can
<v Speaker 3>that can stand toe to toe with the WB then
<v Speaker 3>they're going to be forced to do better content, to
<v Speaker 3>make to make better television. Because I was hating it
<v Speaker 3>at the time. What were you watching it? But I
<v Speaker 3>was hating it. It just was dull. It just was
<v Speaker 3>it was predictable. There was nothing exciting going on, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like it didn't feel like I just it just.
<v Speaker 30>It was.
<v Speaker 3>It felt repetitive. It was I mean, we were on
<v Speaker 3>the tail end of the of the of the Triple
<v Speaker 3>H Reign of Terror, yep.
<v Speaker 10>And and and Sena had just embarked on his world
<v Speaker 10>title quest and he wasn't really his world.
<v Speaker 3>Time, you know, and that was a big thing for me.
<v Speaker 3>I know why they did what they did, but when
<v Speaker 3>he changed from being the rapper to just being some
<v Speaker 3>generic goofball, you know, as I was disappointed, you know,
<v Speaker 3>I still was like, Okay, you know, this guy's got
<v Speaker 3>to be got to do his thing. But it was
<v Speaker 3>and he's got to you know, we got to understand
<v Speaker 3>that this guy is the future. But I was just like,
<v Speaker 3>you know, he was, he was exciting. He was one
<v Speaker 3>of the last things that that I found to be
<v Speaker 3>very very exciting was the the the rapper Sena and
<v Speaker 3>like Batista, and it was like, ah, you know, because
<v Speaker 3>they they killed ben Wah before he killed himself, and
<v Speaker 3>that just that bummed me out. Like I was always
<v Speaker 3>waiting for a Ben ben Wah. Ben Wa basically become
<v Speaker 3>my Lex Luger, you know in that in that yes
<v Speaker 3>he he uh uh uh you know he had that
<v Speaker 3>title run, but then I was always hoping he'd get
<v Speaker 3>it back. I was always hoping he'd get one more
<v Speaker 3>run at the top, which obviously he didn't, and there
<v Speaker 3>was never any plan for that. But it just, you know,
<v Speaker 3>it just it just didn't feel like I don't want
<v Speaker 3>to say. I don't want to say I wanted the
<v Speaker 3>Attitude era because I don't think I did. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I think I did kind of at the time, but
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I would have been I think I
<v Speaker 3>would have been like, oh man, it's still kind of
<v Speaker 3>weird and dang kind of it. I just wanted unpredictability,
<v Speaker 3>excitement and this this like you know, wanting people to win,
<v Speaker 3>and right, yeah, exactly, that's exactly it.
<v Speaker 10>So we've got the match queued up here. It's if
<v Speaker 10>you're following along at home, uh tna.
<v Speaker 3>And let's say the point of that was that I
<v Speaker 3>really thought that Kurt Angle would be the thing to
<v Speaker 3>make TNA be really competitive. I remember, holy competitive, And
<v Speaker 3>it was just like Nope, no, yeah.
<v Speaker 10>Because he not only was a guy that was an
<v Speaker 10>absolute tiptop star in WWE, he had that kind of
<v Speaker 10>wind at his back of being somebody that WWE got
<v Speaker 10>rid of and discarded, and so it's like, oh, now
<v Speaker 10>we can capture all the upside of what else he's
<v Speaker 10>got in the tank because he had, just as I said,
<v Speaker 10>turned the page from a comedy character to a guy
<v Speaker 10>that was really embracing the shooter, breaking ankles killing motherfucker.
<v Speaker 3>Yes.
<v Speaker 10>Yes, And that seemed like the kind of an the
<v Speaker 10>kind of approach TNA as a company needed to take
<v Speaker 10>to stand out for ww was to highlight that style.
<v Speaker 10>Their world title should be about that and not entertaining
<v Speaker 10>so much. And he had that going for him, and
<v Speaker 10>and he just was, you know, the perfect guy for
<v Speaker 10>that moment. And somebody that had, had he not had
<v Speaker 10>those substance abuse issues, would have been significantly featured doing
<v Speaker 10>exactly what TNA did out of the gate with him
<v Speaker 10>pretty close because Paul Hayman by Virtue of having a
<v Speaker 10>lot of sway over what happened on the ECW show
<v Speaker 10>would have had a lot to do with how Kurt
<v Speaker 10>Angle's character developed, And you better believe that's the direction
<v Speaker 10>he would have gone, not not anywhere in the direction
<v Speaker 10>of you know, the milk drinking eyebrow, you know, eyebrows
<v Speaker 10>up kind of Kurt Angles. So like the goofball, the goofball, Yeah,
<v Speaker 10>pretty much. Yeah, but you know was his meal ticket
<v Speaker 10>at the end of the day. All the power to
<v Speaker 10>him for figuring that part of it out and running
<v Speaker 10>headlong into it. But yeah, that was kind of what
<v Speaker 10>it seemed like T and A had got in its
<v Speaker 10>hands on was a guy that could really build the
<v Speaker 10>image of the company around as a differentiator.
<v Speaker 3>From WW right, and it didn't go that way.
<v Speaker 10>It went that way for a little while, and he
<v Speaker 10>did the best business they ever did, and then they
<v Speaker 10>fucked it up. And that's that's what I think one
<v Speaker 10>of the first times we learned that even if TNA
<v Speaker 10>is handed something, they're not going to do anything special
<v Speaker 10>with it. They're still going to keep running the same
<v Speaker 10>building with the same cadence, the same cost structure, and
<v Speaker 10>it's not really going to change it, and.
<v Speaker 3>They're going to ruin it. They're just going to ruin it,
<v Speaker 3>all right, that's what we can expect. They're just going
<v Speaker 3>to fucking ruin it.
<v Speaker 10>Let's see if this remembered match between Sabo and Abyss
<v Speaker 10>from Turning Point two thousand and five, the Barbaring Massacre
<v Speaker 10>fits that description as well. If you're ready, I'm ready,
<v Speaker 10>I'm ready to one play poor warm massacre.
<v Speaker 19>I am about tonight his way to the Ring of.
<v Speaker 7>Up Ring.
<v Speaker 31>The past three pay Abyss and Saboo have squared off
<v Speaker 31>against each other, from no disqualification matches to the unforgettable
<v Speaker 31>Monster's Ball. They battle an unbreakable bound for Florie and Genesis.
<v Speaker 19>Paper Due and Walter.
<v Speaker 31>Turn in all three bounds the violence Backer and getting
<v Speaker 31>raised to another level tonight at Turning Point. It's t
<v Speaker 31>NA first ever barbed wire massacres.
<v Speaker 10>They got words painted black, filled with barbed wire like
<v Speaker 10>you would see and they idivuate death match tournament stuff
<v Speaker 10>with cactus and Terry Funk. They never really used, unless
<v Speaker 10>I'm forgetting they never really use those barbed wire boards
<v Speaker 10>at East w Yeah, exception that fun Terry Funk. Yeah,
<v Speaker 10>it really wasn't much in the way of barbire usage set.
<v Speaker 10>You know, Sandman would incorporate it sometimes, as we saw
<v Speaker 10>the scar of.
<v Speaker 19>Putting your body on the line.
<v Speaker 2>Here it comes the pain, the pain as.
<v Speaker 3>A motivational using the pain. There we go like.
<v Speaker 10>Using the pain is a motivational weapon. Oh why are
<v Speaker 10>we doing ropes and then completely replaced with wire? Why
<v Speaker 10>are we doing this again?
<v Speaker 15>Like?
<v Speaker 3>How do you get it?
<v Speaker 32>Honestly, don't understand. How do you fucking go into this
<v Speaker 32>match knowing that there is you know, I mean, is
<v Speaker 32>this legit barbarire?
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.
<v Speaker 21>No.
<v Speaker 3>I think by now they've found the thing it was.
<v Speaker 10>Saboo doesn't want to insist it because I think rightly,
<v Speaker 10>so who the fuck wants to see fake Barbara still't
<v Speaker 10>do it?
<v Speaker 19>You know exactly?
<v Speaker 3>It looks like pretty good barbes to me, though, you know,
<v Speaker 3>look pretty good.
<v Speaker 10>I just know that fake barboire was now part of
<v Speaker 10>the business. Yes, Whereas back in ninety seven the Terry
<v Speaker 10>Funk match, we wouldn't know where to find fake barbarire.
<v Speaker 10>Even if you wanted to wire at a company on
<v Speaker 10>ECW Shuster's budget would not be able to source it.
<v Speaker 10>Right chair rocketed across the ring at the skull of
<v Speaker 10>a dis who's paying the price deservedly. Fun triple jump
<v Speaker 10>you ready, here we go, yep, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
<v Speaker 7>Ah.
<v Speaker 3>But he punches his way down. All right, all right,
<v Speaker 3>all right, alright, that's fine there it is.
<v Speaker 10>Oh, come on, just like we saw all those years
<v Speaker 10>ago when we started with his FMW matches when he
<v Speaker 10>was a kid. Remember, oh yeah, the chest first without
<v Speaker 10>a shirt on into the wire after being kicked out
<v Speaker 10>of a pants that he's got combat.
<v Speaker 31>He's got flat teen pants, a long slate shirt, he's
<v Speaker 31>got clubs.
<v Speaker 19>Boy, he can't prepared.
<v Speaker 3>Awful, the dressed like he's a clown with those white leathers,
<v Speaker 3>a wild late Don West on the call with Mike
<v Speaker 3>to right, my good buddy, absolutely.
<v Speaker 19>Don West, abyss have sab boom. You're gonna try and
<v Speaker 19>take him face burst into the barble.
<v Speaker 3>Probably breaks free.
<v Speaker 10>He tries to put the best into the wire, just
<v Speaker 10>like he didn fm W. Walk him up with the
<v Speaker 10>wire and tease, try to shove his face into it.
<v Speaker 19>And to that very unforgiving boy.
<v Speaker 10>What are you saying, let's go say they're saying we
<v Speaker 10>want gunfire. Oh yeah, Well there's been busted open.
<v Speaker 7>Pain.
<v Speaker 3>Pain is not an option. Okay, you do, you will
<v Speaker 3>lose it.
<v Speaker 19>This is the kind of make you have to block
<v Speaker 19>out everything.
<v Speaker 13>But you're cask in a hand.
<v Speaker 3>I gotta block out your fucking voice.
<v Speaker 10>The dumb ship on the charge lifted hotded camera did
<v Speaker 10>a great job missing it. Look at the wire, Come on, no, no,
<v Speaker 10>and they chant t na you know, looking that wire
<v Speaker 10>in his chest. Spike spike, he says, spike. He's get
<v Speaker 10>the spike out of his boot, but he rips his
<v Speaker 10>flesh away from the wire. Oh and starts going to
<v Speaker 10>work on the arm. It's time to blade the arm.
<v Speaker 10>Boss ready, he would have a this scar going through
<v Speaker 10>the tattoo on his off bicep forever and I think
<v Speaker 10>it's from this from blading his arm in this match.
<v Speaker 3>Sabo had the chak spike hidden with the boot and
<v Speaker 3>he's going to work.
<v Speaker 19>And again.
<v Speaker 2>That weapon whatever is because.
<v Speaker 3>If it's not self mutilation, we're not interested.
<v Speaker 4>So again it's just amazing the arm.
<v Speaker 10>Imagine taking a razor blade and scraping across your arm
<v Speaker 10>till it Blaire.
<v Speaker 19>But Mitchell is helping face his fear.
<v Speaker 10>Samboo Savo positions the chair here takes off side step.
<v Speaker 10>Basically it crops first on top of the wire. Those
<v Speaker 10>pants did so much to accentuate the barbed wire gimmicking.
<v Speaker 3>And those pants go on pore up in there today.
<v Speaker 3>Don West fucking screaming.
<v Speaker 2>Asshole Samboo in such so bare pain.
<v Speaker 19>And don we mentioned this earlier. If there's any individual
<v Speaker 19>that can fight through that page.
<v Speaker 3>Look at the blood in the arm of Abyss.
<v Speaker 7>That has to be.
<v Speaker 10>I thought's so crazy about the barbier matches as you
<v Speaker 10>go in there with this fucking barber everywhere and you
<v Speaker 10>blade yourself.
<v Speaker 3>Right right, exactly like you're you're cutting yourself open to.
<v Speaker 10>Make the barb wire look like it can cut, which
<v Speaker 10>it can. We're gonna get it underneath the arm hit
<v Speaker 10>like that. Not okay, so gnarly my best charges o
<v Speaker 10>Saboo dropped to holds Abyss into.
<v Speaker 3>The wire.
<v Speaker 4>Cross Harry living Room t NA.
<v Speaker 10>That was so funny to the n t NA, which
<v Speaker 10>hadn't It was just like a squeaky clean company.
<v Speaker 33>You know.
<v Speaker 10>It's if they're buying a cover gets two blood splattered
<v Speaker 10>all over the canvas from Abyss's army.
<v Speaker 3>And they're nowhere higher Saboo. You get the Saboo experience.
<v Speaker 3>I guess so whether you.
<v Speaker 19>Want it or not, to the top of the head
<v Speaker 19>by the monstra. Abyss it just dropped. It stops Saboo
<v Speaker 19>and he ripped his pants back.
<v Speaker 3>What else is a pocket of the border to be wired?
<v Speaker 10>Jesus chokes him on the chair. Those of this goes Saboo.
<v Speaker 10>Sorry it gets too.
<v Speaker 3>I mean think about that.
<v Speaker 7>Not only did that Bo.
<v Speaker 6>Had to feel the pain the.
<v Speaker 3>Barb wire wrap steel chair and play, oh my, why
<v Speaker 3>why there's no need for this? Puts it on Sabo's
<v Speaker 3>fair chest. Uh come on, oh no, Now.
<v Speaker 19>What's he gonna do? Chair right across the chest and face?
<v Speaker 3>Why is he being a idiot? It went for the
<v Speaker 3>earth like city he got on these balls.
<v Speaker 10>Sab would turned the chair on its side, on its spine,
<v Speaker 10>and that's what abyssess balls impacted that. Speaking of impacted him,
<v Speaker 10>Don West said him, Yeah, Sabu with the barbar chair
<v Speaker 10>hits him in the head with it and a Byssus blade. Eggs,
<v Speaker 10>you must blade another shot, I'll tell Sabba would wring
<v Speaker 10>his hands out.
<v Speaker 3>You're like, yeah, that makes me nervous.
<v Speaker 10>We're so stingy to the floor under the wire goes
<v Speaker 10>Abyss and the crosshairs a Sabbo's triple jump, but no
<v Speaker 10>ropes to spring off of, just the chair.
<v Speaker 3>Here we go.
<v Speaker 7>Oh my god.
<v Speaker 3>He landed almost in a fool the front flip, landed
<v Speaker 3>across a business back and was basically crowdsurfing out a
<v Speaker 3>bussus body for two seconds. Yeah, tramming t and I
<v Speaker 3>A great.
<v Speaker 10>That was something that really came through in TNH when
<v Speaker 10>reached the point where they did the extreme two point
<v Speaker 10>zero reunion. A lot of these TNA fans, these people
<v Speaker 10>that were hoping for TNA to be something, were ECW fans.
<v Speaker 10>They were disaffected ECW fans, right, They wanted that, They
<v Speaker 10>wanted that that feeling they wanted to not like, they
<v Speaker 10>wanted to not have to watch w W A. Basically yep,
<v Speaker 10>oh Jesus Christ. Oh, come on from the floor, Abyss,
<v Speaker 10>lifting Saboo in a souplex formation and dropping him cut
<v Speaker 10>first across the wire, hanging him out to dry.
<v Speaker 3>Like freshly butchered meat. Yeah, seriously, there's blood all over
<v Speaker 3>the torso of Saboo.
<v Speaker 7>Now, uh.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, he's got it bad. Look at the cut, seesus thrice.
<v Speaker 19>Now both man's.
<v Speaker 10>Barbire board in the way. You ready for the TLF
<v Speaker 10>tribute to Saboo Boss, Yeah, no, right, hands a setting
<v Speaker 10>up a power bomb on the board.
<v Speaker 3>Carnage on the arm. I know it's it's nasty up
<v Speaker 3>power bomb.
<v Speaker 10>Sabo fights with rights, lands on his feet, throwing hands,
<v Speaker 10>can't hit the ropes, turns around, gets kozzled. That's smart psychology,
<v Speaker 10>biting the hand of abyss of preventing chokes. Land down
<v Speaker 10>under the barbari board in the hot charges in, lifted
<v Speaker 10>in a gorilla press and drop.
<v Speaker 3>He can't. Oh, it's all over a stomach. Jesus Christ.
<v Speaker 19>He is stuck on a.
<v Speaker 7>Barbed wire board.
<v Speaker 3>Oh this is just too look at this can Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>but you still are. There's no way to avoid it.
<v Speaker 31>My way to mind were God, We've never seen anything
<v Speaker 31>like this in TNA, Ladies and gentlemen.
<v Speaker 10>I trust we'll set him trying to stick it out
<v Speaker 10>of his body.
<v Speaker 19>Barbed wire massacre on you before as.
<v Speaker 3>Now brings another board in the ring.
<v Speaker 19>Another plywood sheet inside the ring.
<v Speaker 5>This bike I've never seen.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love it. You know again, it's a it's
<v Speaker 3>a weird thing.
<v Speaker 34>I just.
<v Speaker 3>People saying this is awesome to two guys fucking themselves
<v Speaker 3>up like this. It just like, I don't get it.
<v Speaker 3>Would you do this? You're just right. If it's awesome,
<v Speaker 3>we should alway want to do something that's awesome in office, right,
<v Speaker 3>I want to. I want to see all these people
<v Speaker 3>do it. Everyone chances is awesome for something like this.
<v Speaker 3>Needs to experience this firsthand. Bar bar board lifted the corner,
<v Speaker 3>he best charges side stuff that he eats the wire.
<v Speaker 23>Barred.
<v Speaker 19>He stuck there.
<v Speaker 5>He stuck it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's stuck into it.
<v Speaker 7>Nothing.
<v Speaker 10>Now they're gonna make an abyss sandwich between two bar
<v Speaker 10>barer boards if I remember.
<v Speaker 3>Right, well, don't say sandwich, and it's like a perfect s'more,
<v Speaker 3>doesn't Its sitting on the wire, sitting on the board,
<v Speaker 3>crushing abyss.
<v Speaker 26>The bride space set in the crowd yelling. He took
<v Speaker 26>so much. Oh my gobody, get that off of him.
<v Speaker 10>He's stuck on, still stomping the board. Jeez on the
<v Speaker 10>corpse of abyss. This in Saboo sands tall at the
<v Speaker 10>end of this field.
<v Speaker 13>They're both hurt.
<v Speaker 19>You can see the blood pouring.
<v Speaker 35>Out of.
<v Speaker 36>That.
<v Speaker 3>You can I can't even Referees and officials pulling the
<v Speaker 3>top level board off of the bissiness carcass.
<v Speaker 10>Take another look, Jesus, do I have to? And yeah,
<v Speaker 10>it's kind of weird, like this is what's getting Sabo
<v Speaker 10>a job.
<v Speaker 3>In w W. That's so weird because he goes to
<v Speaker 3>TNA after the One.
<v Speaker 10>Night Stand show. It shows that he can do this
<v Speaker 10>kind of stuff. I don't mean this match in particular.
<v Speaker 10>I just mean that he's still able to move around
<v Speaker 10>the ring this well.
<v Speaker 19>And wire massacre, and they're still and.
<v Speaker 10>Of applause for a se and this is getting abyss over.
<v Speaker 10>So they're chanting his name a month after mocking his
<v Speaker 10>very presence. I'm telling you what, he's hardcore, right, boss?
<v Speaker 13>He is.
<v Speaker 3>He is hard core. There's no denying that. I suppose
<v Speaker 3>they're channing thank you, thank you, thank you for what
<v Speaker 3>y'all do to your bodies. Thank you for let me
<v Speaker 3>be your hero we've before, thank you for letting me
<v Speaker 3>still eat your hero. Says this today's out of his
<v Speaker 3>mind right now, the level.
<v Speaker 19>Of violence that we've just witnessed. I was looking around
<v Speaker 19>at the crowd and watching their expressions.
<v Speaker 3>I know you weren't, no, you weren't. People shy away
<v Speaker 3>and you're looking for Jeff Jarrett's fucking stolen uh guitar.
<v Speaker 19>They it's because Wow, i'd still just coming French and
<v Speaker 19>like that. Let's let's take a look. Let's remind everyone
<v Speaker 19>what we have in score for you tonight.
<v Speaker 3>That's enough. Yeah, I'm good. I don't need anything else.
<v Speaker 3>Turning point.
<v Speaker 10>So, yeah, as mentioned, WW comes calling again after he
<v Speaker 10>does the series with Abyss and has matches with the
<v Speaker 10>likes of Samoa, Joe and others under the TNA banner.
<v Speaker 10>But there had been a history here. We've talked about it.
<v Speaker 10>Sabu did the dark match on Ron nineteen ninety four
<v Speaker 10>against Scott Taylor. It recently surfaced on the ww vault
<v Speaker 10>and we were able to watch that as part of
<v Speaker 10>our Sabou tribute. So WW had already taken a good
<v Speaker 10>look at what Sabu was doing at the absolute height
<v Speaker 10>of his independent buzz. And you need to know that
<v Speaker 10>not only did he wrestle, not only did Sabo wressell
<v Speaker 10>Scott Taylor during that time period in a dark match
<v Speaker 10>for WWF, he also wrestled Owen Hart. What, yes, there
<v Speaker 10>is a match. There is never it's never surfaced. I
<v Speaker 10>don't know if it does exist, why they would release
<v Speaker 10>the Sabou Scott Taylor match dark match before the Sabo
<v Speaker 10>Owen Hart dark Match. But that was an important one
<v Speaker 10>because it allowed Sabu to test his style out against
<v Speaker 10>a guy who, you know, everybody in the business would
<v Speaker 10>consider one of the absolute best workers, and somebody that
<v Speaker 10>if you can't have a good match with Owen Hart,
<v Speaker 10>you're not going to be able to have a good match.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right.
<v Speaker 10>I can't rely on a lot of shortcuts to get
<v Speaker 10>by looking good against Owen and he impressed. It was
<v Speaker 10>a match that that Brett Hart, according to Sabu, really
<v Speaker 10>liked and congratulated him for and complimented him for afterwards,
<v Speaker 10>and gave a little bit of a hint that WWF
<v Speaker 10>might be interested now as talked about earlier in the
<v Speaker 10>Saboo tribute, he didn't end up consummating a deal with
<v Speaker 10>WWF and ended up, you know, splitting his time between
<v Speaker 10>ECW and Japan, where he went on to really make
<v Speaker 10>his name. I mean, if WWF signed him in nineteen
<v Speaker 10>ninety four after that Scott Taylor dark match, in this
<v Speaker 10>Owen Heart dark thing, we would have never gotten so
<v Speaker 10>many of the key Sabou ECW moments, and one wonders
<v Speaker 10>if he would even be remembered for his contributions because
<v Speaker 10>a whole promotion wouldn't be built around his innovations. I
<v Speaker 10>don't think as easily, or he wouldn't be credited for
<v Speaker 10>those innovations quite as much because he wouldn't have been
<v Speaker 10>in the ECW arena. He would have been with one
<v Speaker 10>of the big organizations. That's all what if, of course,
<v Speaker 10>But the point is, as it regards Sabu and WWF history,
<v Speaker 10>it doesn't just start at one night stand in two
<v Speaker 10>thousand and five. As we've demonstrated, there's been a ton.
<v Speaker 3>Of starts and stops.
<v Speaker 10>In a series of different looks they've had at him,
<v Speaker 10>including the attempt at making him the Sultan. We've made
<v Speaker 10>reference to this before. He actually addresses it in a
<v Speaker 10>passage in his book, and I think it's important as
<v Speaker 10>we look upon Saboo embarking on the closest thing to
<v Speaker 10>a permanent ww run he had starting in two thousand
<v Speaker 10>and six, that this is kind of the backdrop of
<v Speaker 10>relations between him and Vince McMahon.
<v Speaker 3>This from his book. The next morning, Vince met me
<v Speaker 3>at the hotel to offer me a gimmick. You know,
<v Speaker 3>we don't really want to higher names. Now we're looking.
<v Speaker 3>We are more looking to make our own. What he
<v Speaker 3>proposed was two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for me
<v Speaker 3>to take on the Sultan gimmick. The idea was I
<v Speaker 3>would dress up almost like an evil genie, but with
<v Speaker 3>a mask over my nose and mouth, knowing that talking
<v Speaker 3>wasn't my strong suit. The idea was that the Sultan
<v Speaker 3>didn't have a tongue. I don't remember that. I don't
<v Speaker 3>remember that at all. I didn't have a tongue. I
<v Speaker 3>don't think that with the I don't think that with
<v Speaker 3>a rakishi thing or not version. But and the mask
<v Speaker 3>would ensure that the proposed character wouldn't talk at all either.
<v Speaker 3>I was on the fence. Jumping on board with a
<v Speaker 3>WWE meant that I wouldn't be able to work the
<v Speaker 3>big shows over in Japan anymore, and I also wouldn't
<v Speaker 3>be able to continue on with ECW, which seemed promising.
<v Speaker 3>I had heard a lot of horror stories about how
<v Speaker 3>you would come in to work for New York and
<v Speaker 3>then you would eventually get lost in the shuffle. In ECW,
<v Speaker 3>I knew I was set to be a main player
<v Speaker 3>and a promotion that was starting to take off. The
<v Speaker 3>potential was great. Vince gave me a few weeks to
<v Speaker 3>think about it. I called up one day with almost
<v Speaker 3>the intent to start with him, but I had one
<v Speaker 3>more question. I know you had talked about having a
<v Speaker 3>manager for me as the Sultan. I said, any idea
<v Speaker 3>who you're thinking about using? He mentioned Bob Ackland, but
<v Speaker 3>he threw in talk of using the Iron Chic as
<v Speaker 3>my uncle. I thanked him for the opportunity and said
<v Speaker 3>I would call him back, but that call would never happen.
<v Speaker 3>Booking the Iron Chic as my quote uncle was a
<v Speaker 3>huge symbol of disrespect to me. At the time. My
<v Speaker 3>mindset was that changing my name and modifying my look
<v Speaker 3>was one thing they wanted to own me and the
<v Speaker 3>likeness they would promote for merchandise reasons. I was okay
<v Speaker 3>with this to some degree. However, for the Iron Chic
<v Speaker 3>to be my uncle, I told my friends what that was.
<v Speaker 3>It was just plain ignorant. If my uncle would have
<v Speaker 3>seen that pairing on TV, that would have been bad news.
<v Speaker 3>Seeing me hang out with a cheap w welfare ripoff
<v Speaker 3>version of the ic would not. I mean, was he
<v Speaker 3>the Iron Cheek? Yeah, they they had a lot of
<v Speaker 3>they had a lot of problems with that whole thing,
<v Speaker 3>calling him the Iron Cheek. But he had nothing to
<v Speaker 3>do with his uncle, Like, he was not like his
<v Speaker 3>uncle at all. Yeah, well that's what the idea, that's
<v Speaker 3>where the name came from. Well, sure, but names come
<v Speaker 3>from everywhere, like you know, of course everyone steals names.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Hule Cogan is rip off of fucking the
<v Speaker 3>Incredible Hulk Marvel character. Like, but you know, nobody fucking
<v Speaker 3>thinks twice about that. It was a ripoff of a
<v Speaker 3>certain movie star I could name. You're damn right, You're
<v Speaker 3>damn right. So what is he fucking to talk about?
<v Speaker 3>There was always the iron character, never fucking had anything
<v Speaker 3>similar to his uncle, right.
<v Speaker 10>I think he annoy I'm sure to annoy him that
<v Speaker 10>he spent all those decades making the Sheikha thing, and
<v Speaker 10>all anybody remembers is the one who was on WWF
<v Speaker 10>during the boom period of nine eighty four.
<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, I mean that's just fucking physics right there,
<v Speaker 3>because he was on more televisions with you know, with
<v Speaker 3>bigger popularity than fucking Ditchois.
<v Speaker 10>Sabo to believe that if he let ironscheek manage him
<v Speaker 10>in WWF, it would piss his uncle off to no end,
<v Speaker 10>which is fascinating it.
<v Speaker 3>It's just bizarre. If he had seen that, Ed Farhat
<v Speaker 3>would have probably died from a heart attack years earlier
<v Speaker 3>than he did.
<v Speaker 10>That's putting it strongly. So that's the backdrop there. But
<v Speaker 10>now they've got a reason, uh to bring Saboo in
<v Speaker 10>and kind of be more embracing of his terms because
<v Speaker 10>the first DCW One night Stand was such a success
<v Speaker 10>and they realized they have an opportunity here to create
<v Speaker 10>a new weekly television show. Suddenly ECW starts to make
<v Speaker 10>a lot of sense, and they really load up the
<v Speaker 10>two thousand and six One night Stand with w W
<v Speaker 10>star power like Edge and Mick Foley and John Cena
<v Speaker 10>from the main event against RVD. So they really seek
<v Speaker 10>to launch something that is now on par with ww stars.
<v Speaker 10>A brand isn't just there for like a one off
<v Speaker 10>nostalgia payday, but is there to create in the minds
<v Speaker 10>to fans a roster that's competitive with the top guys
<v Speaker 10>in WWE. And I had forgotten all about this untill
<v Speaker 10>researching the tribute show, but before One Night Day in
<v Speaker 10>two thousand and six even takes place, and seen his
<v Speaker 10>match against Sabu at the Vengeance two thousand and six
<v Speaker 10>pay per view, which is pretty much Sabou's most remembered
<v Speaker 10>WB match takes place. Besides the Ray Mysterio match, they
<v Speaker 10>had a special in USA called WWW Versus ECW Head
<v Speaker 10>to Head.
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember this at all.
<v Speaker 10>I remembered it once I saw it, and it was
<v Speaker 10>really there was a tremendous degree of novelty to it
<v Speaker 10>because it was on a Tuesday night before they had
<v Speaker 10>weekly Tuesday night television shows, so it's like a rock
<v Speaker 10>extra night of the week on USA, and it was
<v Speaker 10>a show completely dedicated to WWFWB versus ECW wrestler matchups
<v Speaker 10>to set up the road to One Night Stand.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I would have loved this. This would have
<v Speaker 3>been right up my alley here and it was. It
<v Speaker 3>was great because then it gave you.
<v Speaker 10>A lot of optimism about where they were going to
<v Speaker 10>go with this resurrect tot ECW, if they were willing
<v Speaker 10>to do matches like oh, I don't know, John Cena,
<v Speaker 10>the ww champion and the flag bearer for the company
<v Speaker 10>against Sabu right out of the gate in extreme rules,
<v Speaker 10>and so Sena now finds himself having to fit in
<v Speaker 10>his style to this sort of invading ECW style that
<v Speaker 10>the company is saying is what we're into right now.
<v Speaker 10>So it's pretty wild when you think about the fact
<v Speaker 10>that they seem to build the whole WWE style around
<v Speaker 10>what John Cena could do back then, and then the
<v Speaker 10>ccw Idea comes along and Sena has to find a
<v Speaker 10>way to fit his style to ECW style matches. Yeah,
<v Speaker 10>and Sabu came before Rob Van Dam at the two
<v Speaker 10>thousand and six One night Stand pay per view here
<v Speaker 10>and it's head to head special.
<v Speaker 3>If you have it loaded up, I do. I do
<v Speaker 3>have it loaded up here.
<v Speaker 10>Let's do this show, wait for Sabu to come in
<v Speaker 10>for this extra run here in WWF, I guess John
<v Speaker 10>Cena right away. Three two one play.
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<v Speaker 7>One night Stand.
<v Speaker 2>This Sunday, gentlemen, I hold.
<v Speaker 35>In my hand the money in the bank contract that
<v Speaker 35>Rob you won at WrestleMania.
<v Speaker 17>I hope you're prepared for this hardcore accent that brings
<v Speaker 17>out the best of me, and for this extremely judgmental
<v Speaker 17>crowd that can't.
<v Speaker 2>Wait to boo you.
<v Speaker 5>Right, I'll gona freaking door.
<v Speaker 12>What you need to understand.
<v Speaker 3>I have fought and I have writ to keep this.
<v Speaker 2>I fear nothing and regret less.
<v Speaker 3>Don't think that I'm just laid out and hand you
<v Speaker 3>this w W championship.
<v Speaker 5>It don't worry like that.
<v Speaker 12>Jack.
<v Speaker 4>Just so you can sample the flavor.
<v Speaker 3>Of e c W, I brought a couple of the participants.
<v Speaker 15>Till it be true.
<v Speaker 37>These ec W competitors are coming out of the wood park.
<v Speaker 16>Here and John Cena has found himself and in one
<v Speaker 16>helisis precarious position here.
<v Speaker 3>If I'm going there, definitely precarious, John c.
<v Speaker 38>Henna, ask King, King, King being a smooth people can
<v Speaker 38>see it for.
<v Speaker 39>You, Sis, what generally expect you get expected me him?
<v Speaker 3>You know they I'll say this, they still knew how
<v Speaker 3>to make ship look great, what you know, like they
<v Speaker 3>made ship of.
<v Speaker 10>Exciting you know, Yeah, that was pretty intense. That's that's
<v Speaker 10>kind of angle you do when you mean business on
<v Speaker 10>an invasion.
<v Speaker 3>But but like I mean like they would do it
<v Speaker 3>in these week Like I bet if you watched that accident,
<v Speaker 3>be nearly as intense as that video package was. They
<v Speaker 3>had a great knack for really choosing the most intense
<v Speaker 3>moments of not so intense angles.
<v Speaker 10>So this happened between the last raw, the go home,
<v Speaker 10>We're off for one night Stand and the pay per view. Wow,
<v Speaker 10>Hammerstein bar room, that's right, not the Alex Lodge Hammerstein.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean this show should be on fucking Peacock.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it is. It isn't because it doesn't
<v Speaker 3>fit any of the categories. I mean, so what I know,
<v Speaker 3>we can put it up there now, that's right.
<v Speaker 33>They brought in the E C W entrance set for
<v Speaker 33>this too. They created a separate, narrowed E C W
<v Speaker 33>entrance way.
<v Speaker 10>Wow, he's out flinging chairs and imagine you come in
<v Speaker 10>and it's like, yeah, when have you worked?
<v Speaker 3>John Cena your first night in oh Taz on the
<v Speaker 3>call his old rival.
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, like NA said, you forgot dancers, silent.
<v Speaker 3>I forgots or sick Scena looks mortified. You Thinkina thought
<v Speaker 3>he might die this night?
<v Speaker 10>Zebo sena centering slugfest. Oh, Sina knocks him down early,
<v Speaker 10>calls a spy.
<v Speaker 3>But have a fucking arm, flailing arms, such a goofball,
<v Speaker 3>and that the way he would cover ground back then.
<v Speaker 3>He's always flailing, you know. Yeah, he was like he
<v Speaker 3>was like rock in ninety six. Yeah, you know, like
<v Speaker 3>arms everywhere. Pretty sure we have a fun You've seen
<v Speaker 3>a chant as soon it goes to work with jabs. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>rights in the corner, styles on the car, tip big
<v Speaker 3>that the big big snap soup, Lex, what are you
<v Speaker 3>gonna site about?
<v Speaker 32>There's no way, there's no way that that Trailsuplex gonna put.
<v Speaker 19>Sabot finished business with you this Sunday.
<v Speaker 3>I won't be hard to find. Look a little twirp
<v Speaker 3>because ship down You and I will do shit there,
<v Speaker 3>all right, Just shut your mouth and sit there. Does
<v Speaker 3>catching jumps seen to catch a saddle on the charge
<v Speaker 3>and rip seen it gets two. You see that grip
<v Speaker 3>the head and it takes out. He's beating a ship
<v Speaker 3>in the saddle here. Yeah tough.
<v Speaker 37>I've lost twenty of Sadburg matches on television.
<v Speaker 4>Sillion nothing crazy glue the wounds and the bones clothes.
<v Speaker 26>He ripped open his a born bare t get shoveing
<v Speaker 26>finished the match.
<v Speaker 4>The play the biggest thing.
<v Speaker 19>You're kidding love the guy take the tackle generation.
<v Speaker 5>Completely different.
<v Speaker 3>Fucking Saboo selling the whole fucking match here. I know
<v Speaker 3>as they go on and on about how tough Saboo is,
<v Speaker 3>he get his ass kid right, was in high school?
<v Speaker 6>Anyway?
<v Speaker 3>Now downstairs, I'm booting up. Called the spot there, I
<v Speaker 3>saw that one seems to be seen. It's gonna missa
<v Speaker 3>did yeh?
<v Speaker 2>Look on a while.
<v Speaker 19>You gotta catch a guy a long.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, you can't make it on love.
<v Speaker 3>I'm breaking a couple of eggs. You can't make it.
<v Speaker 3>I'm breaking a couple of eggs. He's gonna do his dives,
<v Speaker 3>sling shot, flip dive. There we go, slip shot to
<v Speaker 3>be cool.
<v Speaker 4>You tough stories stuff.
<v Speaker 3>And I gotta tell the stories. Is not for that's
<v Speaker 3>really funny, walks over and throws the chair right as
<v Speaker 3>seen as dome.
<v Speaker 7>One night there.
<v Speaker 3>And again still pre benoir. Ye yes, back in the ring.
<v Speaker 3>Another chair to the head chairs.
<v Speaker 10>Seen you got the hands up salbu folding out the
<v Speaker 10>chair for some triple jump action here in a w
<v Speaker 10>W ring takes off and scores Boom, triple jump Loon salt,
<v Speaker 10>Saboo covers hits two. You can tell this is such
<v Speaker 10>an odd show. They have w W Entertainment on the
<v Speaker 10>aprin They don't.
<v Speaker 3>Have a name for it. I know, I know, problem
<v Speaker 3>taking it either.
<v Speaker 6>Chance.
<v Speaker 10>It's a great way to prom out the pay per
<v Speaker 10>of you. The whole time they're just talking about the
<v Speaker 10>pay per view. Yep, every match the commentary is about that.
<v Speaker 10>Their Saboo in the corner, Jesus off the chair covered
<v Speaker 10>by sab gets Another note, is this non title untitled?
<v Speaker 15>Ugh?
<v Speaker 10>Pretty sure they said that Arabian facebuster, Oh right on
<v Speaker 10>the fucking face there. This is crazy that Sabou went
<v Speaker 10>right into a match with Johnson like this. Yeah, after
<v Speaker 10>all these years. It's such a random time for him
<v Speaker 10>to get this.
<v Speaker 3>Opportunity, so random, five years after he w goes under
<v Speaker 3>and basically six seven years before he really did anything
<v Speaker 3>of note, I know, I can't fucking I can't deal
<v Speaker 3>with that at all the time it happened, it felt
<v Speaker 3>kind of weird, but it feels it were more weird.
<v Speaker 3>He's Joe Styles is relitigating e c W having to
<v Speaker 3>pay for Yeah Saboo. Leg drops Sena on the announced
<v Speaker 3>table and then on the floor too, off the announced
<v Speaker 3>table and Joey Styles and Taz the e c W
<v Speaker 3>announced table leading the chair leading for Saboo big time
<v Speaker 3>spot colin from Sena. You can hear the baritone. He's like,
<v Speaker 3>I know, I know what this what match all right?
<v Speaker 3>Tune amount match rip on chair? Oh yeah, ce doub chance.
<v Speaker 3>So you know we're covering in the corner. Sabo is
<v Speaker 3>gonna launch off that seat hot huh uh uh uh
<v Speaker 3>and then lift him of the shoulder. Crowd breaking out
<v Speaker 3>in a boo seen and think.
<v Speaker 7>Of fu.
<v Speaker 3>Damn right, and he hits them with it boom. Cherry
<v Speaker 3>Lawler Joys has seen of locks on the SDFU and
<v Speaker 3>look at mister c W hits the ring. Oh my god,
<v Speaker 3>what a fuck it? What is that about? All the
<v Speaker 3>rings filling up with raw guys in red shirts SmackDown
<v Speaker 3>guys in blue shirts. Just a bunch of fucking bullshits.
<v Speaker 10>It's all the WW guys who are on the pay
<v Speaker 10>per view. They're drunk back there, he says, that's true.
<v Speaker 10>I love them, I love the raw and the wearing
<v Speaker 10>the fucking red and the blue shirt.
<v Speaker 7>It's so cheesy.
<v Speaker 3>I'm so proud of my brand.
<v Speaker 10>Oh, Sina and Van Maam at each other's throats in
<v Speaker 10>the middle of this fracas.
<v Speaker 3>I want, you know what I want? I want the
<v Speaker 3>glass to shadows kicks the mask. But well he was
<v Speaker 3>on that show as an aw alumnus. Yeah wow, So
<v Speaker 3>that's how they went off the air. Sabu gets that
<v Speaker 3>wild ring with Sina before most of you even remember it,
<v Speaker 3>and that would build to the June eleventh, two thousand
<v Speaker 3>and six, One Night Stand twenty oh six, the second
<v Speaker 3>of the two shows they would do, where Ray Mysterio
<v Speaker 3>wrestled Saboo and a crazy match, excellent stuff, probably one
<v Speaker 3>of Sabo's best matches ever. We've covered it in the archives,
<v Speaker 3>so we're not gonna watch it again. We're going to
<v Speaker 3>hear from Sabo and a shoot interview about that whole deal.
<v Speaker 13>Did you like the match that you had with raym
<v Speaker 13>ceio at the second one?
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, yeah, I did. Like I said that, David pretty
<v Speaker 11>much gave us our own creative control. Nobody breathed on
<v Speaker 11>my neck. The everything was.
<v Speaker 23>They asked me what it was I going to do
<v Speaker 23>too many times, and so I bullshitted him and then
<v Speaker 23>I went.
<v Speaker 11>To the ring and did what I did. But but
<v Speaker 11>I didn't know that once you can't say. I thought
<v Speaker 11>that would show them I don't need to be uh
<v Speaker 11>choreographed or taken by my hand, that I that I
<v Speaker 11>can do the job without question, and didn't mean that
<v Speaker 11>that's meant that I was a bound of rules.
<v Speaker 13>They would have shown that the assertiveness your show.
<v Speaker 11>I thought, you know, you'd said, well, that's why we
<v Speaker 11>hired him, because he's been here, he's been wrestling twenty years,
<v Speaker 11>and he has wrestling instinct because he done what he's told,
<v Speaker 11>because he knows what to do.
<v Speaker 30>You know.
<v Speaker 3>Nope, Yeah, and you would think.
<v Speaker 21>So to speak in a match that you want someone
<v Speaker 21>like you, I could think all the flying sha and
<v Speaker 21>you know, fix it.
<v Speaker 11>You think you get to pan them.
<v Speaker 12>Back for that, but you know, not there anyways.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he thinks you know, why would you? Why do
<v Speaker 3>you think that? Where's he wrong? Fucking boss? Where's he wrong?
<v Speaker 3>Let him know he's wrong the whole fucking thing. All right,
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna you're gonna get choreographed. You're not exempt. You
<v Speaker 3>can't get choreographed. That's awesome, but a great thing to
<v Speaker 3>say that he was under any illusion that you're going
<v Speaker 3>to get choreographed. All right, that's the way it goes.
<v Speaker 3>Get ready, because this is a choreograph. This is choreographed
<v Speaker 3>content that CC is at the beginning of the broadcast.
<v Speaker 10>That's not close caption pal Yeah, damn right, following his
<v Speaker 10>choreographed content, choreographed hand hand choreographed by uh the the
<v Speaker 10>curators of World Wrestling Entertainment. So yeah, he's he's under
<v Speaker 10>this solution that now that they've actually hired him to
<v Speaker 10>a full time deal, that he's going to be able
<v Speaker 10>to basically pull all the tricks he pulled to get
<v Speaker 10>over in the nineties. And it's like, no, no, you're
<v Speaker 10>not gonna be man.
<v Speaker 3>You're done. So let's go back to the book if
<v Speaker 3>we could. Boss.
<v Speaker 10>This is him talking about the honeymoon period of the
<v Speaker 10>beginning of the w W run, which, as we just witnessed,
<v Speaker 10>started wrestling John Seene of all people, right off the bat.
<v Speaker 3>I hit the ground running. Since it was to be
<v Speaker 3>w W e versus e c W, building up to
<v Speaker 3>a pay per view pitting off the best of both promotions,
<v Speaker 3>they were shooting to get what we shooting? Problem, Well,
<v Speaker 3>who's shooting? There's no way to get this relationship started. Well,
<v Speaker 3>I just want dude, saboo, dude, we got condle this
<v Speaker 3>thing back in. Brother, Well going on, I know you say,
<v Speaker 3>I just want to. I know you're going to say, good,
<v Speaker 3>dial this thing back in, but it always starts with
<v Speaker 3>I just want to first, I just want to, you know,
<v Speaker 3>kind thing up, and then he kind of he's like, no, no,
<v Speaker 3>you know, we get doll this thing in. Dude, if
<v Speaker 3>everyone tell you this, this thing we got going on
<v Speaker 3>to the next level. Brother, we had to figure out
<v Speaker 3>exactly you know. You know, dude, you and eye brother,
<v Speaker 3>you messed up. But we playing hide the ball, right, dude,
<v Speaker 3>we gotta kind of focus on what we got going
<v Speaker 3>on now. Brother, we got He says, we got to
<v Speaker 3>kind of focus on what we got going on now. Brother,
<v Speaker 3>sad you sitting there nodding like yeah, I mean, you know, dude,
<v Speaker 3>we got you know, we got a great rapport you
<v Speaker 3>and I brother, but we can't do dude, is how
<v Speaker 3>people shooting on.
<v Speaker 10>Others, not on me, on others. He's worried about everybody else,
<v Speaker 10>not himself.
<v Speaker 3>Oh good, uh, they we're shooting to get all their
<v Speaker 3>fans interested. That is when I learned that Paul pulled
<v Speaker 3>even more strings to get me booked for future matches
<v Speaker 3>with the very best WWE had to offer John Sina
<v Speaker 3>for my very friend. That's a all right, I'll give
<v Speaker 3>r VD a little bit. That's a weird sentence for
<v Speaker 3>him to say, yeah, that's a very that's a WWE
<v Speaker 3>phrase right there, you know, like, I mean, yes, yes,
<v Speaker 3>the John's it was the champion. But I mean, I
<v Speaker 3>don't think I think I'll even go on to say
<v Speaker 3>he's not the very best at the time, right, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I guess he's the top guy. Maybe that's what they
<v Speaker 3>mean by the very best, but he was not nearly
<v Speaker 3>as as as skilled as he would become. For my
<v Speaker 3>very first w match that night, I did the whole
<v Speaker 3>table and chair leg drop combos so people got a taste.
<v Speaker 3>When I went back to the gorilla position toward the
<v Speaker 3>dressing room, Vincement Man himself was right there waiting. At
<v Speaker 3>first I thought he was pissed, but but that was
<v Speaker 3>not the case. Hey, pal, he said, tapping my hand.
<v Speaker 3>You know that, that seriously was one of the best
<v Speaker 3>matches I've ever seen in a long time, one of
<v Speaker 3>the best matches I've ever seen in a long time.
<v Speaker 3>Quote thank you, I said, nodding. I don't take compliments. Well,
<v Speaker 3>you know, right on serious, right on, seriously. You know,
<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize how good you are. This complimentary version
<v Speaker 3>of Vince would only be short lived for me. However,
<v Speaker 3>the second night, Vince had me walk out to ringside
<v Speaker 3>with him before the show. We were talking about doing
<v Speaker 3>a spot where I would jump from the ropes to
<v Speaker 3>bump John scene that through the announced table announcer table.
<v Speaker 3>Distance Wise, I had done spots like that before, and
<v Speaker 3>it didn't seem like it would be a problem. Vince
<v Speaker 3>seemed unsure with my confidence. Mmm, you sure you think
<v Speaker 3>you could make it, he asked, Yes, yes, I mean
<v Speaker 3>it is pretty far, he said. One time I had
<v Speaker 3>to do the same spot. Oh no, you know one
<v Speaker 3>time I had to do the same spot myself. Let
<v Speaker 3>me tell you I busted my ass trying to jump
<v Speaker 3>that far to reach it. Maybe Vince said this to
<v Speaker 3>me to let me know that he was quote one
<v Speaker 3>of the boys, yes correct, or that he wasn't asking
<v Speaker 3>me to do something that I wouldn't try him. So
<v Speaker 3>that he wouldn't try himself, which we all know he'd
<v Speaker 3>try anything himself, right. We've seen him take crazy ass
<v Speaker 3>bumps at his old age for the sake of doing it.
<v Speaker 3>I really didn't. I really don't know, but I found
<v Speaker 3>it kind of funny, so I tried to joke with
<v Speaker 3>him a little. Paul told me that the key that
<v Speaker 3>the real way to find success in the w was
<v Speaker 3>by making a connection with Vin, so I thought this
<v Speaker 3>might have been a good time to do so with humor.
<v Speaker 3>But that's you, I said, laughing, my ass will be
<v Speaker 3>just fine. Shit, he is not laughing now. I totally
<v Speaker 3>said that to get him to laugh. But maybe we
<v Speaker 3>weren't on joking terms yet and I didn't realize it.
<v Speaker 3>I hurt his feelings. I think, Yeah, that's what you did.
<v Speaker 3>You hurt his feelings. He didn't laugh. I was joking,
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't. Fuck Well, that was my mistake. Wow, Patterson,
<v Speaker 3>get in here. Yeah, I was just talking to Saboo.
<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you somethboll I was talking to this
<v Speaker 3>this this Saboo character. Do you know him? Have you
<v Speaker 3>ever heard of him before? I've never heard of him before.
<v Speaker 3>I did a gimmick I knew, I knew his uncle
<v Speaker 3>on the gimmick. Let me tell you then, this guy,
<v Speaker 3>this guy thinks he can take me. This guy thinks
<v Speaker 3>he can take on the big Mac. You know what
<v Speaker 3>he said to me was his takeaway from the interaction.
<v Speaker 3>This guy thinks he can take me. What do you
<v Speaker 3>say to your boss? He said? You know, I told
<v Speaker 3>him I was. I was trying to to just kind
<v Speaker 3>of relate. I was trying to relate as a as
<v Speaker 3>a as a fellow competitor. You know has been in
<v Speaker 3>the ring. You know we listen, we're both former champions.
<v Speaker 3>All right. I've been champion, he's been a champion. I
<v Speaker 3>guess I think maybe not. I don't know. I don't care.
<v Speaker 3>The bottom line is I was trying to relate to
<v Speaker 3>him by saying, you know, hey, you know I I
<v Speaker 3>I try to do this this bump here, going from
<v Speaker 3>this to the table and whatnot, and I busted my
<v Speaker 3>ass any what he said to me, he said, but
<v Speaker 3>that's you. My ass will be fine. That's what he said,
<v Speaker 3>My ass will be fine. Is that accurate? Vince? Will
<v Speaker 3>his ass be fine? In the final Let me, I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna tell you this write better than what I want
<v Speaker 3>to do is I want to have some kind of
<v Speaker 3>explosive weaponry right in the table right. I don't give
<v Speaker 3>a shit about who's doing commentary. Their risk, Their risk
<v Speaker 3>is my reward because when Sabu does this spot, I
<v Speaker 3>want to blow him the fuck up. I want pieces
<v Speaker 3>of Saboo all over the goddamn arena. I want people
<v Speaker 3>to have Saboo face splattered on them. I want people
<v Speaker 3>to have that fine Sabo ass in their mouths when
<v Speaker 3>it explodes onto them. Did he really do something that
<v Speaker 3>offensive to you, Boston? And what's the problem with what
<v Speaker 3>he said? The fact that you have to ask me
<v Speaker 3>that question tells me something that I didn't want to
<v Speaker 3>know about you. Wow, something I didn't even think was
<v Speaker 3>possible with you.
<v Speaker 10>Saboo, of all people, comes between Vince and Pat.
<v Speaker 3>Well.
<v Speaker 10>He does the ray match, he has the backstage faux pause,
<v Speaker 10>And it's funny how you can remember those little interactions
<v Speaker 10>with Vince McMahon.
<v Speaker 3>You know you can have I mean, of course, I
<v Speaker 3>imagine that even like just if you fucking you know,
<v Speaker 3>you're walking down the hallway and you actually ran shoulders
<v Speaker 3>into him, that he would that would be a memorable experience.
<v Speaker 10>Absolutely, especially when you're a guy that probably has told
<v Speaker 10>yourself that Vince isn't a fan of mine, you know,
<v Speaker 10>because I've never gone to work there. I've told him
<v Speaker 10>no before, I've gotten dark matches and didn't get a
<v Speaker 10>call back, or you know, didn't get a contract offer
<v Speaker 10>that I wanted to take. So it's it's probably you know,
<v Speaker 10>he's probably a little nervous because he doesn't have as
<v Speaker 10>many options as he did when he kind of told
<v Speaker 10>Vince to pound sand in the past. You know, he's
<v Speaker 10>kind of got to make this work, and this is
<v Speaker 10>his chance, and he's got the right people vouching for
<v Speaker 10>him who are in a position of leverage as they
<v Speaker 10>try to make the CCW revitalization work. And it would
<v Speaker 10>flow through not only to that USA Network match with
<v Speaker 10>John Cena and the big match with Ray Mysterio at
<v Speaker 10>the pay per view, but come Vengeance two thousand and six,
<v Speaker 10>the WWE saw fit to match John Cena up again
<v Speaker 10>with Saboo again, and this time it was for the
<v Speaker 10>ww Championship, and it had some stipulations to it that
<v Speaker 10>we'll get to. But if you have that puppy loaded up,
<v Speaker 10>which you were.
<v Speaker 3>Kind enough to isolate four years, the fans waiting to
<v Speaker 3>turn our attention to the two thousand and six Vengeance
<v Speaker 3>show it now they had it right here, Oh, here
<v Speaker 3>we go.
<v Speaker 10>This coming off the coming off the One Night Stand
<v Speaker 10>a perview. Yes, and this is pretty much as we
<v Speaker 10>prepare to hit play Sabu's biggest WW match and when
<v Speaker 10>we put the call out upon Sabo's passing on X
<v Speaker 10>for matches that we might consider doing as part of
<v Speaker 10>a Saboo tribute, whatever form it might take. Folks suggested
<v Speaker 10>just doing this show. We even talked about it, and no,
<v Speaker 10>it was for actually, for for a hot moment, it
<v Speaker 10>was what we were going to do.
<v Speaker 3>Is the plan?
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, just to do this because it was the kind
<v Speaker 10>of show that will probably never do anyway, So a
<v Speaker 10>Saboo tribute is a good reason to pull it in.
<v Speaker 10>But the problem is, it's not a really problem, but
<v Speaker 10>he really is just like ten minutes of the show
<v Speaker 10>the match right, and we would have spent a whole
<v Speaker 10>lot of time talking about things that had nothing to
<v Speaker 10>do with Sabo and a Saboo tribute. So I think
<v Speaker 10>we're not making the right call and we don't have
<v Speaker 10>to miss out on this, And in fact, it fits
<v Speaker 10>even better, having just watched their match on the WW
<v Speaker 10>versus ECW had total So let's hip play in this
<v Speaker 10>puppy Bengeinees twenty oh six three to two one play.
<v Speaker 37>Gentlemen lack the music hit I love it and that's
<v Speaker 37>Victim by eighteen visits.
<v Speaker 3>We want to think Victim.
<v Speaker 22>That's their official the.
<v Speaker 18>Song Lady Good gentlemen, this is gonna be our one
<v Speaker 18>of our most unpredictable macs of the.
<v Speaker 10>Nine all down about Sabo. Pretty wild, That's what it was.
<v Speaker 10>It was an extreme lumberjack match seen as.
<v Speaker 19>The experience started un forgettably.
<v Speaker 6>That one night.
<v Speaker 3>So we're gonna get the one night stand taste here
<v Speaker 3>in the the pre roll yep, oh god, see cause
<v Speaker 3>Christmas scene it wins. We riot was.
<v Speaker 2>Hold on post time.
<v Speaker 4>Handle anybody can show up?
<v Speaker 33>What the hell?
<v Speaker 10>It's right edge ended Acosta scene of the mac.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, they can do whatever.
<v Speaker 7>They walked.
<v Speaker 3>All count of the three Hayman, I think, I think
<v Speaker 3>I like it. Oh god, it's so Sena he loses
<v Speaker 3>and everything is great. Yep. So the premiere dc W
<v Speaker 3>show that's right ed.
<v Speaker 10>Shaking Rob's hand was the first angle and John Cena
<v Speaker 10>was on the first d c W show.
<v Speaker 3>Think about that. And what's great is that he goes
<v Speaker 3>after edge right, you know, so great.
<v Speaker 4>Like damn John Cena screw with w like.
<v Speaker 3>This Ball's mahoney Sina must pay Sena versus Ball's mahoney
<v Speaker 3>on raw that's bizarre. The prototype versus Santa Claus right,
<v Speaker 3>Paul pauls and Saboo saves Paul. This is this is
<v Speaker 3>one I think he missed. Now he hit that one.
<v Speaker 3>Oh ship, Wow, Jesus.
<v Speaker 10>I think that's the dive that Vin said, are you
<v Speaker 10>sure you could make it a trouble jump Late dropped
<v Speaker 10>to the table.
<v Speaker 35>Apparently as a whole doesn't quite like me or the
<v Speaker 35>way that I do business.
<v Speaker 2>You want to fight the fights on.
<v Speaker 4>Sunday you want in All you gotta do is show.
<v Speaker 13>John Cena and Samboo in an.
<v Speaker 10>Extreme showing all these W clips here, yeah, and the
<v Speaker 10>Sizzle Wheel.
<v Speaker 2>Deal.
<v Speaker 3>He said, deal you Sabo said a word?
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I told you're gonna speak, damn it, You're gonna tell
<v Speaker 3>the match say deal? Is that a word? Black eye
<v Speaker 3>that Sina have?
<v Speaker 22>No?
<v Speaker 3>I think he got a black guy from that leg
<v Speaker 3>dropped to the table, came up bleeding a.
<v Speaker 4>Bit breeding son of a.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Samboo and John.
<v Speaker 2>Bring you want.
<v Speaker 7>Exactly.
<v Speaker 10>I think if Sad Boo didn't pass away this year,
<v Speaker 10>Cina would have found a match for him on the
<v Speaker 10>Goodbye tour.
<v Speaker 3>That would have that would have been amazing. The Lumberjacks
<v Speaker 3>of E c W. So we're gonna get look at
<v Speaker 3>the whole roster such as it was. Paul's mahoney, Stevie Richards,
<v Speaker 3>My god, how much roadkill he's Jabroni's fucking goofballs. Sandman,
<v Speaker 3>I love, I love trim and fit sand Man. Right,
<v Speaker 3>Al Snow, little Guido just incredible, Tommy Dreamer, their job,
<v Speaker 3>the job, getting.
<v Speaker 5>The ring continue.
<v Speaker 3>Let look at it Al Snow coming out. I'll clean
<v Speaker 3>into you as a thing like Al Snow like you
<v Speaker 3>know again he's one of those guys like I'll tell
<v Speaker 3>you what most of these guys I'm like, okay, great like,
<v Speaker 3>but Al Snow he's so much more w B than
<v Speaker 3>E c W. Oh yeah, look at look at that
<v Speaker 3>fucking idiots tight shot and his face Games Gang Game.
<v Speaker 8>Morning introducing the lumber jackson bro.
<v Speaker 3>Such a straightforward entrance for him. He just walks. I know,
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of weird.
<v Speaker 10>I didn't even have the headdress on. Oh we got
<v Speaker 10>we got the Rob Brandon, Snitzky Snitzkys, Trevor Murdoch, Charlie.
<v Speaker 3>Hass, Oh my god, talk about Jabrones. I know, Lance Cade,
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, this is this is like the bottom
<v Speaker 3>of the barrel. That striker looks striker who would later
<v Speaker 3>c W Superstar. It's like, well, the he's about the
<v Speaker 3>equivalent of what the ECW guys are, so right sand
<v Speaker 3>men with the scowl in their direction experience for I
<v Speaker 3>don't even God, do you think that Valvenus was still
<v Speaker 3>in the company in two thousand and six? I know, mortified.
<v Speaker 3>It's morally fine, you're right, yeah, morally fine.
<v Speaker 2>On the outside.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, of all things, you know, Stevie Richards and
<v Speaker 3>Valvenus they should be uh, they should be tight. They
<v Speaker 3>after all, they both did have the right to censor.
<v Speaker 3>This guy's said like such idiots. They're matching such a
<v Speaker 3>weird time. Oh man, we thought they were wet too,
<v Speaker 3>and yeah, to do this match during the CNA Farewell year.
<v Speaker 40>Yep, John, the controversial John Cena, the little blue collar.
<v Speaker 3>Dames. Yeah, yeah, not blue collar j R. West Newbury,
<v Speaker 3>Mass the opposite of blue collar.
<v Speaker 10>Scena names wade down the aisle confront of the U
<v Speaker 10>Stream Lumberjacks, Sabbooe directing traffic the John I was screaming
<v Speaker 10>for the move out of the way CW guys and
<v Speaker 10>the Raw guys jaw jacket. I guess SmackDown doesn't care
<v Speaker 10>about this.
<v Speaker 3>I guess not. I guess it's not a SmackDown concern here.
<v Speaker 3>I want to be clear. The CW guys are only
<v Speaker 3>feuding with the raw brand. That's right, you know? I
<v Speaker 3>mean Johnson is part of the raw brams or are
<v Speaker 3>the uh? This is a raw This is a raw
<v Speaker 3>focused confrontation and sab strikes he's seeing is halfway in
<v Speaker 3>the ring putting the boots to it. I would love
<v Speaker 3>to know what possessed John Cena that an extreme lumberjack
<v Speaker 3>match was the way to go, right, that was his choice.
<v Speaker 10>He just wants some people out there to neutralize the
<v Speaker 10>CW locker rooth. Had it assaulted him already. Scene it
<v Speaker 10>pops out of the Lumberjacks, clutches and starts throwing hands
<v Speaker 10>on Sabo whips him out of the corner, boot to
<v Speaker 10>the gut. Here's that megasuplex yep. Oh, that's a fisherman,
<v Speaker 10>fisherman style, speaking of blue collar. There you go, that's true.
<v Speaker 10>Not too far from the Gloucester right, Sabo lunches. Seen
<v Speaker 10>a lunch of Saboo to the floor and the WWE superstars.
<v Speaker 3>Going a little crazy. Murdoch, Oh, my god, was in
<v Speaker 3>piece of viscera. Who else? I think I have a
<v Speaker 3>death hold for this one. I know, Jesus, remember when
<v Speaker 3>like Trevor Murdoch was was labeled this fucking great wrestling.
<v Speaker 3>Oh bridged to the floor, goes Sina and now these
<v Speaker 3>steady guys putting the boot store. I think Trevor Murdoch
<v Speaker 3>will get a Hall of Fame induction. Baby. I really
<v Speaker 3>examined the case again. Seen it done for the floor.
<v Speaker 3>Here's Sandman with the cane. Oh Jesus, that was not
<v Speaker 3>the plan. That's Sandman for you, taking liberties. Jesus Christ.
<v Speaker 3>They want to teach this guy what it's like to
<v Speaker 3>really wrestle.
<v Speaker 10>It comes triple jump moon salt in the ring, Saboo
<v Speaker 10>takes off and scores.
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ. That was a distance he covered. If that's
<v Speaker 3>good for three, imagine that they put Sabu over he
<v Speaker 3>becomes a w W champion. Well he's not. It's not
<v Speaker 3>for the because he lost the title. How fund be amazing?
<v Speaker 3>Are you amazing? If he pin seen it, He's still
<v Speaker 3>got the championship, even his not champion.
<v Speaker 10>Camel clutch now by Saboo only one arm of scene
<v Speaker 10>is draped over his leg, however, semi a semi camel clutch. Yes,
<v Speaker 10>he's seen a drive Sable in the corner to break it,
<v Speaker 10>but gets kicked in the nuts again, didn't learn his
<v Speaker 10>lesson from the first.
<v Speaker 3>Match, not condoning it, but it is legal. Triple jump
<v Speaker 3>leg drop you know it was supposed to be led
<v Speaker 3>drop and turn into an elbow drop, basing where his
<v Speaker 3>thought he landed out. Cow happens.
<v Speaker 10>Saboo gets too pretty wild that SAB's here in this
<v Speaker 10>match of this caliber. Yep, do you want all the
<v Speaker 10>stuff he did in front of you know, two hundred people.
<v Speaker 10>Raven facebuster Christ crashes the chair down on.
<v Speaker 3>A scene as mud. I mean, it is wild that
<v Speaker 3>you know that he is allowed.
<v Speaker 10>To do it right, that he found a way, found
<v Speaker 10>an opening to be able to do this stuff, because
<v Speaker 10>without an ECW invasion, this stuff doesn't. They don't let
<v Speaker 10>him do this stuff, you know, right, even when he
<v Speaker 10>put Funk through a table in ninety seven, it was
<v Speaker 10>still ECW Invasion was still the idea if they bring
<v Speaker 10>him in as an individual talent, he's not doing this
<v Speaker 10>stuff right. Chair set up their Sabo in the corner
<v Speaker 10>scene of moves. This time Sabu crashes into the buckle.
<v Speaker 3>I wonder what is wrestling? And Payday was pretty sure
<v Speaker 3>he said it in his book. Oh did you say
<v Speaker 3>did he say it? Yeah?
<v Speaker 22>He did.
<v Speaker 3>I know, I didn't. I didn't share it yet. Don't
<v Speaker 3>see seeing it cooking now with the flying shoulder tackles,
<v Speaker 3>here we go, oh boot uh another up. I was
<v Speaker 3>like kind of a jackhammer of thort uh oh, signaling
<v Speaker 3>that you can't see any Why the funk would he care?
<v Speaker 3>What's going on out there?
<v Speaker 10>There's incredible thrown to the floor on top of the lumberjacks.
<v Speaker 10>Seen out after them now grabbing Stevie Richards val Oh god,
<v Speaker 10>and he he's himing to the audience.
<v Speaker 3>Jesus. Oh huge chair shot from Sabo. Got that forearm
<v Speaker 3>up that is to block it so it didn't really
<v Speaker 3>hurt him. Uh now, snow wow, not that time though,
<v Speaker 3>Here wrapped around his head like a necklace. Jesus nuts,
<v Speaker 3>he's being physically dissecteds Jr. That's a Jay line i've
<v Speaker 3>ever heard, Like, yeah, uh oh, here we go all right.
<v Speaker 10>Scene has been laid across the table on the floor,
<v Speaker 10>Sandman holding him in place with a cane. Sabo's got
<v Speaker 10>the chair folded out. Here comes this round in the
<v Speaker 10>post takes off and eats the cane. Scene it grabs
<v Speaker 10>Sandman's cane, hit.
<v Speaker 3>Him in that we can give the worst boot ever.
<v Speaker 3>It's lumberjack warfare on the floor. Scene avoids the table
<v Speaker 3>and throws the chair at Sabo's head. Jay going in overdrive.
<v Speaker 3>How do you like me?
<v Speaker 1>Now?
<v Speaker 3>Look at the black end of God.
<v Speaker 4>Somebody's eyes.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, the the marine would have just come out, I think, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>true signaling uh oh hey, out of the ring, to
<v Speaker 3>the floor, the table and fairly touched the table. Oh
<v Speaker 3>it's the end of it. Horrible right, that's that's like
<v Speaker 3>not the place you want to get. You want to
<v Speaker 3>land on a da all the ship.
<v Speaker 10>We've seen it takes this most horrendous bump in w
<v Speaker 10>w E yep, And it's not even his fault. Fault
<v Speaker 10>either rolled back in by the lumberjacks and seeing the
<v Speaker 10>locks in the st F Center ring, lumberjacks try to
<v Speaker 10>storm the ring. Raw guys hold them back and Savo
<v Speaker 10>tabs here.
<v Speaker 3>Damn right he does because it's a bit Trevor Murdoch
<v Speaker 3>so thrilled that Raw won the back Raw anybody? How
<v Speaker 3>many people? Yeah? Put him to sleep? That counts.
<v Speaker 10>Actually, I think didn't in the match we watched, didn't
<v Speaker 10>we tap to task with a broken jaw?
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember. No, did he? I don't remember. Actually,
<v Speaker 3>that's how crazy that is. You got it?
<v Speaker 7>Tang Can King King King Can Can King.
<v Speaker 10>Sabo being held up and dragged up the rampway by
<v Speaker 10>his e c W brethren as the Raw superstars lask
<v Speaker 10>in the glow and take another look here, Oh what
<v Speaker 10>a fucking shot in the head that lea Saba going
<v Speaker 10>for triple jump, Seena smacking him on the ropes with
<v Speaker 10>a candow stick. And then look at this oh man
<v Speaker 10>right on his ass on the edge of the table
<v Speaker 10>like that, you know, tailbone small the back either way,
<v Speaker 10>that's not good.
<v Speaker 3>That's not where you want to get hit. STF guts
<v Speaker 3>this admission. Yeah, the stupidest fucking like I I to
<v Speaker 3>this day. I hate the way John Cena does the STF.
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, you get a stream room see them tonight.
<v Speaker 14>Here.
<v Speaker 7>He got him some, He got.
<v Speaker 3>Got some vengeance, Boss, He did get him some. He
<v Speaker 3>did get him some, thanks JR. Yeah.
<v Speaker 10>The Living Dangerously match ended when Sabu was trapped in
<v Speaker 10>the tas mission Billa fons I'll try to throw in
<v Speaker 10>the towel. Sabu grabbed it and threw it back and
<v Speaker 10>then passed out in the hold.
<v Speaker 3>Wow. So I wouldn't quite call that submission, but put
<v Speaker 3>that up there.
<v Speaker 7>Say.
<v Speaker 10>It was May twenty fIF six when W announced the
<v Speaker 10>launch of ECW's standalone brand coming to sci Fi. And
<v Speaker 10>we've talked, you know, at length about how on this
<v Speaker 10>episode Vince is going to get to Saboo one way
<v Speaker 10>or the other. He's got him to do the job there.
<v Speaker 10>He's got him to do a series of things that
<v Speaker 10>he probably wasn't comfortable doing and created a series of
<v Speaker 10>awkward moments backstage. Nothing's more on brand, Nothing crystallizes it
<v Speaker 10>more than one episode of ECW on Sci Fi where
<v Speaker 10>Vince McMahon was on site for the show and is
<v Speaker 10>walking around and strutting like he used to do backstage
<v Speaker 10>with security or oh yeah, yeah, all right, and he
<v Speaker 10>runs into Saboo, who are you? And finally we get
<v Speaker 10>what Vince has been wanting to say, probably ever since
<v Speaker 10>the very first day he laid eyes on Sabo. Oh boy,
<v Speaker 10>as he became an internet sensation, it's time for a
<v Speaker 10>little reality check on the Sabo tribute.
<v Speaker 12>We'll be down.
<v Speaker 16>I thought I was in Texas. Hell, I'm not in Texas.
<v Speaker 16>I'm in a Dianas fan Oh my god, hey boys,
<v Speaker 16>check it out. Here's a member of the Taliban.
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, wait a minute, I know you.
<v Speaker 13>You're that guy, Saboo.
<v Speaker 5>Great, you're that.
<v Speaker 15>Homicidal, genocidal, suicidal.
<v Speaker 3>Guy.
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, you stayed all away from me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah thoughts, I mean that's what what is there to say?
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's that's exactly accurate. I mean, uh, Saboo's
<v Speaker 3>from Afghanistan, he is part of the Taliban. He's a
<v Speaker 3>terrorist if I mean listen, he's genocidal. So he's absolutely
<v Speaker 3>a terrorist. So Sabo, we should have called the whole thing,
<v Speaker 3>the all he's done to himself, and for the business
<v Speaker 3>to come to w W to have Vince say he's
<v Speaker 3>a member of the Taliban backstage. He's never seen him
<v Speaker 3>in his life. That that right there. That that honestly,
<v Speaker 3>in many ways, I'm surprised that that just isn't what
<v Speaker 3>people remember about. You know, he's lucky he got out
<v Speaker 3>of that because that that really should have. That burial
<v Speaker 3>right there, I mean, that is that is a quintessential
<v Speaker 3>Vince McMahon burial. Yep, all right, when he's when when
<v Speaker 3>when you're done in his eyes, that's what you get.
<v Speaker 3>You get something that isn't even you know, it's just you,
<v Speaker 3>your you. He just became dog shit that Vince mcman
<v Speaker 3>stepped in.
<v Speaker 10>And he would go on a rampage on ECW shows
<v Speaker 10>like that. DCW was where he did that browbeating, scowling
<v Speaker 10>interview at Ashley Massaro's face after she quote unquote spelled
<v Speaker 10>coffee on him and he went into all this dark shit.
<v Speaker 10>Especially you know, looking at it now with hindsight what
<v Speaker 10>we know about what happened with Ashley, I.
<v Speaker 3>Don't understand what the problem is. It is it's extreme, right,
<v Speaker 3>So I w wasn't to extreme places to to you know,
<v Speaker 3>I was just playing the game, all right. I just
<v Speaker 3>wanted to play ball. With everybody else. Everyone wants to
<v Speaker 3>get on ECW when they want to be extremists. Well
<v Speaker 3>that's what we did. What I did, I went out
<v Speaker 3>there and I was extreme. You know, I didn't mean
<v Speaker 3>any harm by it. I didn't.
<v Speaker 12>If arm.
<v Speaker 3>Happened, so be it. But I'm just playing with the boys.
<v Speaker 10>Now you have Patterson's attention. This is all wrapped up
<v Speaker 10>in that dynamic of Vince insisting you do promos, insisting
<v Speaker 10>you do this, that and the other in the ring,
<v Speaker 10>and of course Sabu offering what little resistance. He would
<v Speaker 10>even get to the point where he would try to
<v Speaker 10>hide backstage so they would almost forget that they wanted
<v Speaker 10>him to do a promo and it wouldn't work. And
<v Speaker 10>he's got into great detail about this over the course
<v Speaker 10>of his life and shoot interviews, including here with Ramiro
<v Speaker 10>on WSI talking about Vince's obsession with him doing promos
<v Speaker 10>during this run.
<v Speaker 28>You said with the WWECW, in fact, I said that
<v Speaker 28>you knew you weren't going to get the fully authentic products.
<v Speaker 28>How long in the process did you realize that w
<v Speaker 28>this would very much be a w W, maybe not
<v Speaker 28>water down eventually, but version of well wha did.
<v Speaker 13>That was a good work for it.
<v Speaker 11>But abot about three months in about three months in
<v Speaker 11>a Ferris and Big show and a few other guys
<v Speaker 11>and tell us it went downhill from there. Over there
<v Speaker 11>they're no longer reminded me to be sab VW from
<v Speaker 11>ECW from W.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 28>I when I talked to you last time, I get
<v Speaker 28>the impression that you know of hard headed, you like
<v Speaker 28>your own way, and you know you know yourself very well.
<v Speaker 28>And Vince McMahon has been said that he will never
<v Speaker 28>fully get behind wrestler unless he either completely invents them
<v Speaker 28>from the ground up or breaks you down and then
<v Speaker 28>remolds you.
<v Speaker 2>Is that true to say?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he.
<v Speaker 11>Yes that I think that's true. He starts on nicely
<v Speaker 11>and then gets vicious. He said, he lightly said, I
<v Speaker 11>want you to be a likable a face. I go, yeah, right,
<v Speaker 11>and then then the next thing, I want you to
<v Speaker 11>be a likable aday. I go yeah right, you go no,
<v Speaker 11>I want you to talk now. We get right, No,
<v Speaker 11>I want you to talk. Now, We're gonna go in
<v Speaker 11>the thats room and talk. I said, all right. I'd
<v Speaker 11>hide for a while, think he forget about it, But
<v Speaker 11>he wouldn't forget about it. It was running and I
<v Speaker 11>had two sassions with just Vince and a cameraman and
<v Speaker 11>trying to cut this promo and I was cutting it
<v Speaker 11>badly on purpose, thinking he's gonna say, okay, no promo,
<v Speaker 11>but he didn't, kept making me do it.
<v Speaker 28>Did you ever do a promo before?
<v Speaker 12>Then?
<v Speaker 11>Not where I spoke? I did one when I was green.
<v Speaker 11>I couldn't say nothing that stumbled on my words. And
<v Speaker 11>other than that Malcaus when I did that, Macaus and
<v Speaker 11>don't ever say another word again. So I didn't tell
<v Speaker 11>Vince had me say homicidalm Jenna sido, suicidal negro of this,
<v Speaker 11>I'm saying boo, which is something I would never say.
<v Speaker 11>I wouldn't come. I don't call myself that someone else
<v Speaker 11>calls me.
<v Speaker 1>That.
<v Speaker 28>Was there any thought of oh, did you have a
<v Speaker 28>sites events, please give me a manager?
<v Speaker 6>Yes?
<v Speaker 11>And he said, uh, that to me an likely with
<v Speaker 11>any things. I had to speak for myself, and that
<v Speaker 11>I haven't. The manager speak was WA's gimmick. And I
<v Speaker 11>said I was doing before mag who was born, and
<v Speaker 11>before that my uncle did it. And he goes, not here.
<v Speaker 13>Does it my history never happened.
<v Speaker 1>Fan Wrestling Podcast the wrestling podcast that knows the boys
<v Speaker 1>need their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's a lapsed
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<v Speaker 3>Well did it. I don't know anything about his history.
<v Speaker 3>As far as I'm concerned, his career started to be
<v Speaker 3>that he was a rookie two thousand rookie year, likable
<v Speaker 3>baby face pal. When I look at Sabo, who I
<v Speaker 3>see likable baby face? Said a decent guy. He's you know,
<v Speaker 3>he's he's a cookie cutter. You know, he's what. He's
<v Speaker 3>the kind of baby face that kisses children and and
<v Speaker 3>you know, sign's autographs and smiles and you know, you know,
<v Speaker 3>where's where's uh, you know, thematic clothing.
<v Speaker 10>Thematic clothing the hallmark of any standout superstar. Here's a
<v Speaker 10>bit more from Saba on the struggle to cut promos
<v Speaker 10>and the trouble it got them.
<v Speaker 11>In talk mean man gave me this this uh the script.
<v Speaker 11>It was like three pages long of words. I can't
<v Speaker 11>even pronounce that alone say them through my words. So
<v Speaker 11>as what I did was I actually I was reading
<v Speaker 11>the script. I tore it up, threw it down. I said,
<v Speaker 11>there's your there's your promo. I walk away. I thought
<v Speaker 11>that would have been a good promo. You know that
<v Speaker 11>feels that, you know, the Sam was being himself. He's
<v Speaker 11>not going to cut a promo or read a script
<v Speaker 11>like everybody else. He's gonna throw the script down and
<v Speaker 11>walk out. And she goes, no, do that again.
<v Speaker 3>I go do that again?
<v Speaker 11>Or do read it?
<v Speaker 3>You'll read it again?
<v Speaker 31>I can't.
<v Speaker 23>I said, there's no way I can memorize it, let
<v Speaker 23>alone barely read it.
<v Speaker 3>Yes you can.
<v Speaker 13>And these are words that are being written by someone else.
<v Speaker 11>Someone else, and the words I wouldn't say, and nothing
<v Speaker 11>compared to what would I would say, or even a
<v Speaker 11>little bit that. They didn't try to care to me
<v Speaker 11>at all. They just treatd me like I was another
<v Speaker 11>guy here read this or you know, re memorize this.
<v Speaker 11>And they were set seventy match.
<v Speaker 3>She was set.
<v Speaker 11>She she she she wasn't taking no for an answer.
<v Speaker 11>She either took no for an answer or or she
<v Speaker 11>got radio. And the thing was, I was supposed to
<v Speaker 11>be an elimination chamber match that Sunday. They had me
<v Speaker 11>do an angle where I hurt my arm and they
<v Speaker 11>took me out of it, but still put me on
<v Speaker 11>the box cover the DVD cover. They still had me
<v Speaker 11>on the cover of it. And I had a guy
<v Speaker 11>the other day say, hey, remember that time for WWE,
<v Speaker 11>and you know showed what happened like you remember that?
<v Speaker 11>He was because I bought the DVD.
<v Speaker 23>He was, You're on the cover, but you not nowhere
<v Speaker 23>in it because I wouldn't cut that promo.
<v Speaker 11>Seven man took me out of it.
<v Speaker 13>So when did they shoot that that angle where you
<v Speaker 13>were injured?
<v Speaker 11>A week before the paper due, I thought it was
<v Speaker 11>just gonna show me with my shoulder an angle for
<v Speaker 11>the I thought the angle for the paper. I know,
<v Speaker 11>the angle to take me out.
<v Speaker 3>I don't take me out December to December ship the
<v Speaker 3>last breath.
<v Speaker 13>With the script.
<v Speaker 11>Because of the script, I thought they'd say, come on,
<v Speaker 11>let's think of another way to get you over all right,
<v Speaker 11>how about this or how about not read this? If
<v Speaker 11>you don't read it, get out that. There was no compromising.
<v Speaker 13>There.
<v Speaker 11>There was no uh saying how about how you know,
<v Speaker 11>have an idea and how about we do it this
<v Speaker 11>way or you know some way where I could get
<v Speaker 11>away with out without actually talking. But they weren't listening
<v Speaker 11>to it.
<v Speaker 21>Do you think at this time in w w was
<v Speaker 21>such a grind for them, where they just they hand
<v Speaker 21>you that your marching orders, and if you don't accept
<v Speaker 21>your they don't have time to even ways, they just
<v Speaker 21>get rid of you.
<v Speaker 11>And you'll get paid for a little while. Then if
<v Speaker 11>you're not getting used, you won't then they'll fire you.
<v Speaker 11>But there's guys there are getting paid but they don't
<v Speaker 11>use them.
<v Speaker 3>But they're not.
<v Speaker 11>They're on duty in case they need them, which they
<v Speaker 11>never use. But they're always there, and that's what they want.
<v Speaker 6>They want.
<v Speaker 11>They want somebody who's always there any work too, which
<v Speaker 11>I understand, But there are some certain special cases, and
<v Speaker 11>I thought I was one of those cases that they
<v Speaker 11>didn't thing.
<v Speaker 3>So no, you're not a special case. You're not a
<v Speaker 3>special at all. You're just a regular piece of shit terrorist.
<v Speaker 10>A regular piece of shit terrorist. Would you like to
<v Speaker 10>hear how those promos came out?
<v Speaker 28>Oh?
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I would, please, please, I need it.
<v Speaker 10>When you hear these, you're gonna understand why Savo didn't
<v Speaker 10>want to cut these promos. You can say all he
<v Speaker 10>wants about his character and his uncle, and a guy
<v Speaker 10>can't fucking do it.
<v Speaker 3>He can't do it.
<v Speaker 10>That's why he doesn't do promos. He can't right listen
<v Speaker 10>to this, Okay.
<v Speaker 41>I'm saboo oh and tonight I'm gonna massacre Paul Hammon.
<v Speaker 42>Oh I'm saboo oh and tonight the Big Show is
<v Speaker 42>going down.
<v Speaker 6>Yep, yep, I'm the original.
<v Speaker 12>I'm suicidal, b God, I'm homicidal im mother.
<v Speaker 4>Day cacausey who whiskey is?
<v Speaker 21>He?
<v Speaker 4>Don't destroy anything?
<v Speaker 3>Don't anybody?
<v Speaker 12>Jenna Silent, I'm sa.
<v Speaker 43>I need to be the e c W champion. Yeah,
<v Speaker 43>I'll do anything. I'll sacrifice anything tonight to win the
<v Speaker 43>ladder match. Then at SummerSlam Big Show, I'm gonna beat
<v Speaker 43>you for the e c W title.
<v Speaker 4>So up next our main event.
<v Speaker 3>It's great. I'm glad you agree. Fucking best promo I've
<v Speaker 3>ever heard. Why did you ever cut promos?
<v Speaker 12>Man?
<v Speaker 3>I don't get it. That'd been great to go to
<v Speaker 3>him in an autograph show when he was alive. You're like, man,
<v Speaker 3>I loved your promos and e c W on w
<v Speaker 3>W a fucking promos, dude, Like that was some of
<v Speaker 3>the best work I've ever seen. I'm Sabo.
<v Speaker 10>He's talking like he's being interviewed, like he's being asked
<v Speaker 10>identify himself by a police officer.
<v Speaker 6>You know, that's exactly it.
<v Speaker 3>You know, Oh my god, or like he's at an
<v Speaker 3>AA meeting or something. I'm sab Yes you are. I'm Saboo,
<v Speaker 3>and this is what's on my mind, exactly, And this
<v Speaker 3>is the best stuff they got. Think about it.
<v Speaker 10>That is all the only words they could drag out
<v Speaker 10>of the guy and the homicidal Saboo.
<v Speaker 3>And that's news to me.
<v Speaker 10>Oh my god, so true. And now you know the
<v Speaker 10>rest of the story. A Saboo dragged into the WWE
<v Speaker 10>machine and left a mockery of himself.
<v Speaker 3>That's right. And listen, he needs to remember what he is, okay,
<v Speaker 3>and he is a joke.
<v Speaker 10>So yeah, that's that's what came of putting a microphone
<v Speaker 10>and a camera in front of Sabu.
<v Speaker 3>Hmmm, well, it's wonderful. It's honestly some of the best
<v Speaker 3>mic work ever ever heard. I'm glad you agree.
<v Speaker 10>Ever since I hunted that down for these episodes, I've
<v Speaker 10>been walking around humming to myself. Of course you got
<v Speaker 10>a humson, But besides that, I've been saying this to myself.
<v Speaker 10>I'm Sabo, and tonight I'm gonna murder Paul Haman.
<v Speaker 3>It's just so Michigan and so not what he should
<v Speaker 3>sound like. Yeah right, I mean he you know, he shouldn't.
<v Speaker 3>He shouldn't be able to speak English, right, you know
<v Speaker 3>that makes him, That would make him more terrifying as
<v Speaker 3>as stereo typical and maybe racist as that is. You know,
<v Speaker 3>it's still and when you're a killer like him, you know,
<v Speaker 3>suppose you know, but that's okay, let's just uh, let's
<v Speaker 3>just let's just let him speak speak his normal tongue,
<v Speaker 3>force him to. And he knew that better than anybody.
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing.
<v Speaker 10>It's not like it's not like other people would say
<v Speaker 10>that as a knock on him. He knew that he
<v Speaker 10>sucked at it and it didn't matter. Well, how are
<v Speaker 10>you supposed to build program?
<v Speaker 1>Oh?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 10>The way he built a career that made you want
<v Speaker 10>to sign him in the first place.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's not you know, I mean, I understand,
<v Speaker 3>but that's minor league baseball. We're talking major league. The
<v Speaker 3>major league. There's only one So I mean again, I ask,
<v Speaker 3>how is he going to build program? That's true?
<v Speaker 10>I mean, how would a Sabu Big Show program get over?
<v Speaker 7>Oh?
<v Speaker 10>I know if Sabu spoke, that'll do it because we're
<v Speaker 10>not starting from a faulty premise.
<v Speaker 3>Not means to what the thing is he needs to
<v Speaker 3>what the problem is. No one's going to be able
<v Speaker 3>to relate to him. No one's going to be able
<v Speaker 3>to understand what his motivation is. You know, we need
<v Speaker 3>to understand that that that does and come across within physicality.
<v Speaker 10>It's funny, Vinces, you got him to talk and I
<v Speaker 10>still don't understand what his motivation is.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean that's you know, obviously he's green. We
<v Speaker 3>got some guy next for a little while. I'm sevuld
<v Speaker 3>him up. You know, these are all these things can
<v Speaker 3>be taught. Well, we'll we'll have Miss teaching may monologue
<v Speaker 3>class personally.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, that was I have to say upon the passing
<v Speaker 10>of Saboo, as I reflect back, the one thing he
<v Speaker 10>was missing was Miss's promo ability. If only there was
<v Speaker 10>a little more Miss in Saboo, I can't imagine how
<v Speaker 10>many millions he would have made.
<v Speaker 3>It's all we ever needed.
<v Speaker 10>So they continued with the WWE c W Experience experiment,
<v Speaker 10>I should say, and he entered a feud with Just Incredible,
<v Speaker 10>who he had kind of a brief dalliance with an ECW,
<v Speaker 10>but was pretty much gone by the time A Credible
<v Speaker 10>rose to his peak in ECW. In fact, Just Incredible
<v Speaker 10>recalled in his book starting with ECW just two weeks
<v Speaker 10>after seeing Born to Be Wired between trucking Saboo and thinking,
<v Speaker 10>what the fuck am I getting into? Oh my god,
<v Speaker 10>you imagine coming from the WWF of Aldo Montoya days
<v Speaker 10>and entering that that fucking uh shark tank in South Philly.
<v Speaker 3>It sounds totally totally possible.
<v Speaker 10>Calling the scene in his book, Just Incredible wrote, the
<v Speaker 10>loops of barbed wire surrounded their blood covered bodies. Phonsie
<v Speaker 10>jumped in the ring with wire clippers. After that, even
<v Speaker 10>more ring attendants appeared on the scene with scissors, wire clippers,
<v Speaker 10>and even the jaws of life, I think, all to
<v Speaker 10>untangle them from the mangled metal mess. This was what
<v Speaker 10>I was getting into. How in the hell could I
<v Speaker 10>ever follow something like this, I thought, blinking my eyes.
<v Speaker 10>I had never seen anything like it and had no
<v Speaker 10>idea how to work like what I just saw, but
<v Speaker 10>knew I had to learn quickly. I was starting with
<v Speaker 10>this company in less than two weeks, and you know,
<v Speaker 10>eventually they bonded over a few things, did Sabou and
<v Speaker 10>just incredible who was kind enough to include this image
<v Speaker 10>in his book of Saboo in a private time enjoying
<v Speaker 10>let's just say, the effects of a substance or two,
<v Speaker 10>a little alcohol, a little bit more in the hotel room.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, let me see it's coming through. Oh Jesus Christ,
<v Speaker 3>what are we looking at? I mean, he just he
<v Speaker 3>so it's him. I mean, I I don't know. He's
<v Speaker 3>in he's in only wearing shorts, some kind of shorts,
<v Speaker 3>and he's just looking down at a white towel that
<v Speaker 3>looks like I mean, honestly, if you just glance at it,
<v Speaker 3>it would look like he had an erection. And you know,
<v Speaker 3>he's just kind of looking at his at his boner,
<v Speaker 3>like wondering what to do with it. Blindstrawn in the
<v Speaker 3>hotel room. You can tell.
<v Speaker 10>It's kind of a lower end. They got the TV
<v Speaker 10>glowing in the background, but him and his stupor is
<v Speaker 10>facing away from the TV.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, exactly, he's he's facing away from the TV.
<v Speaker 3>He's just looking down at his crotch, you know, on
<v Speaker 3>to this white towel, wondering what it is, wondering why
<v Speaker 3>it is.
<v Speaker 10>He's got those He's got that trance like you know
<v Speaker 10>when when like a junkie is half asleep half awake.
<v Speaker 10>They're there, but they look like they're sleeping if you
<v Speaker 10>were just just take a still frame.
<v Speaker 3>I'm number when I got here. I don't remember how
<v Speaker 3>I got here. I just think to myself, when, when
<v Speaker 3>did it happen? When is it going to end?
<v Speaker 10>Just incredible, wrote in his book further on Saboo. Saboo
<v Speaker 10>has a unique way of handling himself in the ring.
<v Speaker 10>This I think was pretty cool in that it gives you.
<v Speaker 10>It gives you a glimpse into how Sabu could look
<v Speaker 10>like that in the hotel room or look like you know,
<v Speaker 10>some of the other images we've seen of him just
<v Speaker 10>battered and bruised and barely able to move.
<v Speaker 3>But with the bell rang. He he gave you Saboo.
<v Speaker 10>He gave you a Saboo that didn't have chinks in
<v Speaker 10>the armor, that didn't necessarily have little moments where you
<v Speaker 10>can say, oh man, he's slowing down, or oh man,
<v Speaker 10>he really he really is paying the price and shouldn't
<v Speaker 10>be doing this, like like he was like m Mick
<v Speaker 10>Foley and that he felt all those pains, but he
<v Speaker 10>mastered how to get himself to shut those out when
<v Speaker 10>he was through the curtain. And then, of course, as
<v Speaker 10>soon as he went back through the curtain, we repeated
<v Speaker 10>the process over again. But so long as he's out
<v Speaker 10>in front of the public not showing any signs of
<v Speaker 10>where and tear, we the fans can feel in better
<v Speaker 10>conscience about seeing him do it to himself again.
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I mean?
<v Speaker 10>Yes, Saboo has such a unique wave of handling himself
<v Speaker 10>in the ring, credible rope. He'd hurt himself before, he'd
<v Speaker 10>never hurt whoever he was in the ring. Facing That
<v Speaker 10>thoughtfulness and generosity in itself is a rarity in this business.
<v Speaker 10>Another thing worth noting that even when he was really
<v Speaker 10>not feeling his best, he would transform himself last minute
<v Speaker 10>to make sure that the fans got his best and
<v Speaker 10>put on the very best match that he could. One
<v Speaker 10>night I was working with him in the WWE. It
<v Speaker 10>was much like any other, only this was one house
<v Speaker 10>show right up near where I lived. I caught up
<v Speaker 10>with the man himself in the locker room. He just
<v Speaker 10>got there. He was rolling in his luggage and he
<v Speaker 10>looked a little off. He looked as if he had
<v Speaker 10>an injury, or maybe he was just physically drained from
<v Speaker 10>the night before. I don't know, but I could see
<v Speaker 10>that something wasn't quite right. Hey, Saboo, I ran up
<v Speaker 10>and hugged him. Saboo wasn't a man of many words,
<v Speaker 10>but that was okay, how are you feeling today?
<v Speaker 3>I'm okay, he.
<v Speaker 10>Said, No matter how that's exactly how I said it.
<v Speaker 10>I'm want to pat myself on the back for that.
<v Speaker 10>No matter how beat up he was, he never complained
<v Speaker 10>about what was bugging him. He was that professional. So
<v Speaker 10>I walked with him some and then decided to talk
<v Speaker 10>a little about the match that we were getting ready
<v Speaker 10>to have. Hey, man, I would say any ideas for
<v Speaker 10>tonight if you were flying the wall. Immediately after that,
<v Speaker 10>you would think that Sabo started speaking in tongues.
<v Speaker 7>Hmm.
<v Speaker 10>He didn't just go into lock up hip toos arm
<v Speaker 10>bar or something generic like that. It was like he
<v Speaker 10>started talking another language or something. So there Sabu was
<v Speaker 10>explaining how we would start off slow, but then we
<v Speaker 10>would kick the gas. After that, it was if only
<v Speaker 10>he could kick the gas maybe, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, might solved a lot of problems after that.
<v Speaker 10>It was always tough to keep up with his vision,
<v Speaker 10>but I knew one thing, Sabu was going to be
<v Speaker 10>flying all around the ring. It always sounded awesome. I
<v Speaker 10>would try to follow and usually got most of it
<v Speaker 10>figured out. Then just as I thought I had it all,
<v Speaker 10>he would I don't want to tell me even more
<v Speaker 10>of the craziest things I have ever heard of doing
<v Speaker 10>in the ring, and his vision of how the match
<v Speaker 10>should go. Now more importantly for this story, once again,
<v Speaker 10>keep in mind that Sabo is coming up with these
<v Speaker 10>insane scenarios all while he was clearly in some kind
<v Speaker 10>of pain. Are you sure, man, I'd ask, we can
<v Speaker 10>take it easy tonight if.
<v Speaker 3>You need to.
<v Speaker 10>Sabo tilted his head as if to say, Sabou doesn't
<v Speaker 10>take it easy. He shook his head. Once we agreed
<v Speaker 10>on everything, he went to sit in a chair for
<v Speaker 10>a time. Then eventually he curled up into a ball
<v Speaker 10>over in the corner to rest up for his performance.
<v Speaker 10>Sleeping on the floor was away for Saboo to recharge
<v Speaker 10>his batteries, I think, and it always seemed to work.
<v Speaker 10>A few minutes before the match he woke up. I
<v Speaker 10>think we went over some of it with an agent.
<v Speaker 10>Then we were all good to go. I could see
<v Speaker 10>that he was still in pain, But then he started
<v Speaker 10>to get into his pre match rituals and literally shook
<v Speaker 10>it off. He went from showing some level of agony
<v Speaker 10>to walking out of that curtain as a totally refreshed
<v Speaker 10>and recharged warrior.
<v Speaker 3>Hmmm.
<v Speaker 10>And that's what we as wrestling fans demand, whether we
<v Speaker 10>realize it or not. That is why we are complicit
<v Speaker 10>and so much of the destruction of these athletes always period.
<v Speaker 10>He could always transform, just like that into the superstar
<v Speaker 10>that he is. I've never seen someone in such tremendous
<v Speaker 10>pain be able to flip the switch and go out
<v Speaker 10>there so energized and give the crowd a show quite
<v Speaker 10>like Sabou. As Saboo walked the aisle, he heard the people,
<v Speaker 10>the crowd roared and chanted. It woke him up. He
<v Speaker 10>fed off of it.
<v Speaker 28>Hmm.
<v Speaker 10>That's the passage, and that's so that's what it came
<v Speaker 10>down to. That's why no one else could be like
<v Speaker 10>a Saboo. It's because if they did what he did,
<v Speaker 10>they couldn't keep doing it like he did it. It
<v Speaker 10>wasn't that he did it that he kept doing it
<v Speaker 10>night after night, big show, small show, big stage, small stage.
<v Speaker 10>He was going to do something where you're like, that
<v Speaker 10>guy just decided I may die tonight. And when you
<v Speaker 10>do that for like fifteen twenty years, you're going to
<v Speaker 10>earn people's respect, you know what I mean?
<v Speaker 3>No matter what I mean. Yes, But at the same time,
<v Speaker 3>to what end is this right? You know, like, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna earn people's respects for taking risks. But it's
<v Speaker 3>not like you know, when when when an escape artist
<v Speaker 3>takes a risk, they don't come out worse than they
<v Speaker 3>went in. True, you know, every time he takes one
<v Speaker 3>of those sick bumps, he carves a little bit off
<v Speaker 3>of the yep. Yes, Like it's almost like, you know,
<v Speaker 3>a chunk of his lifespan was cut off.
<v Speaker 10>Yes, And we wore witness to it, and we cheered
<v Speaker 10>it on. Yeah, exactly, and we would have accepted nothing less.
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I'm not not to speak for you. I'm
<v Speaker 10>going to know you've made a very ClearCase against the style.
<v Speaker 3>But I was there.
<v Speaker 10>I was sat shoulder to shoulder with the people. I
<v Speaker 10>chanted shoulder to shoulder with the people, and the alternative
<v Speaker 10>was to be a nobody, and he wasn't about to
<v Speaker 10>do that. I mean, I guess, but is that really
<v Speaker 10>the case? Like, is that all all he had really
<v Speaker 10>was was.
<v Speaker 3>Was taking you know, attempting these these these these stunts
<v Speaker 3>that could potentially cause permanent damage, end his life, like
<v Speaker 3>it's all worth it? Yeah? Is that all he had?
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I think one of the things we're learning
<v Speaker 10>from this tribute is that, no, he had a lot
<v Speaker 10>more than that going on. Right, You saw sparks of
<v Speaker 10>how he could have been. I mean, think of the
<v Speaker 10>first match we looked at from the USWA with Rob Skotowski, right, yep.
<v Speaker 10>It's like that's a perfectly serviceable version of what he
<v Speaker 10>became without this expectation of self destruction.
<v Speaker 3>And I just think, like, I feel like he could
<v Speaker 3>have taken a few toned it down just just a
<v Speaker 3>little bit, yes, and would have still had three. Three
<v Speaker 3>three risks would have been enough. But he wanted to
<v Speaker 3>take seven in every match. I agree it cut or two,
<v Speaker 3>and almost every match he did, there was always that
<v Speaker 3>moment where it was like, see now, now you don't
<v Speaker 3>need to see you do that. That's for the next match.
<v Speaker 3>That's that's how to top yourself. The next time, you
<v Speaker 3>don't have to top yourself twice in the same match.
<v Speaker 3>And that's the thing too, you you know, earlier on
<v Speaker 3>it's like you need to do right, you need to
<v Speaker 3>have a match where you do these big stunts, and
<v Speaker 3>then you have the next match you don't do any
<v Speaker 3>because then you know, then people aren't expecting every match.
<v Speaker 3>Then they go to see you like is he going
<v Speaker 3>to do it? And people rise to what is he
<v Speaker 3>going to do? And people start it's very it's very
<v Speaker 3>friendly to Kfe. People think, is he going to have
<v Speaker 3>to go to that place? Right?
<v Speaker 10>It's in keeping with his ethic of like going for
<v Speaker 10>pin covers and china.
<v Speaker 3>It's it's like it's like Hundertaker doing the doing the
<v Speaker 3>swan dive over the top rope.
<v Speaker 10>He never did it because right, it's part of the show.
<v Speaker 10>He did it because tonight was a night where he
<v Speaker 10>had to dig deeper.
<v Speaker 3>Right, right, and then it really became about he'd do
<v Speaker 3>it a Wrestlemannia and that was it, right, well, you know,
<v Speaker 3>but but you know that right, like you just it
<v Speaker 3>wasn't only that we saw every single time, certainly not
<v Speaker 3>like in regular shows, but you know, not on a
<v Speaker 3>B on a B pay per view. It's funny.
<v Speaker 10>It's a completely unreasonable timeline to imagine, because there's just
<v Speaker 10>no way that would have played out this way or
<v Speaker 10>revolve this way. But I do wonder if he was
<v Speaker 10>able to keep the table breaking stuff to himself like
<v Speaker 10>he thought he would could in the early days of
<v Speaker 10>his career.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe he does do that. Maybe it is like a.
<v Speaker 10>Sparing thing where on occasion Saboo goes to the table,
<v Speaker 10>But if he's taking the table nights off to build
<v Speaker 10>that spence and everybody else on the card, including the
<v Speaker 10>third matchout, is breaking tables. You can see how that
<v Speaker 10>would create and bled pressure for him as the innovator
<v Speaker 10>to keep doing it and doing it maybe in more
<v Speaker 10>spectacular ways. One of the things that really sunk into
<v Speaker 10>me that I never really realized doing all this is
<v Speaker 10>as much as you can watch a Sabou twenty minute
<v Speaker 10>match and see amazing moments and see some not so
<v Speaker 10>amazing moments. He came up in an era where the
<v Speaker 10>highlight reel was really just starting to become currency in
<v Speaker 10>the wrestling business through the form of tape trading and
<v Speaker 10>the way Paul Hayman edited the ECW television show. So
<v Speaker 10>much of what people remember about that stuff is not
<v Speaker 10>full bodied matches. In fact, Hardcore TV very rarely, for
<v Speaker 10>my recollection, had full matches without any editing. It was
<v Speaker 10>very much like a Colisseum home video release from WWF.
<v Speaker 10>In the early days, you would suddenly jump ahead in
<v Speaker 10>the middle of like the very first Saboo Rob VANDAM
<v Speaker 10>match in ECW's he talked about on the Deep Dive
<v Speaker 10>of Part one of the tribute was really only seen
<v Speaker 10>in edited, clipped form on the Hardcore TV show, and
<v Speaker 10>that was kind of what he was out there to do.
<v Speaker 10>It wouldn't surprise me if part of his calculus throughout
<v Speaker 10>the nineties, his risk taking throughout the mid to late nineties,
<v Speaker 10>wasn't some somewhat tied to like, you know what, I
<v Speaker 10>may miss a couple of dives, and you know, the
<v Speaker 10>fans may see a couple of things that don't look great.
<v Speaker 10>But if I get one in, that's the thing that
<v Speaker 10>gets in the sizzle reel that people see for years
<v Speaker 10>on end. That's the thing that people say, who was
<v Speaker 10>this fucking guy?
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 10>It wasn't an era where complete shows were available everywhere
<v Speaker 10>alive on demand, like we're accustomed to today and so
<v Speaker 10>somebody can go in there at an independent level with
<v Speaker 10>the confidence that people are going to see the full
<v Speaker 10>body of my performance here. No, it was like, if
<v Speaker 10>I don't do something completely out insane, whether it be
<v Speaker 10>to get the attention of the Japanese wrestling magazines in
<v Speaker 10>the form of Fire and Barbed Wire and FMW, or
<v Speaker 10>if it was to get the attention of the aftermags
<v Speaker 10>at a time when WWFNWCW took up all the oxygen
<v Speaker 10>in the business. You know, what did you have to
<v Speaker 10>do for people to pass your tape around and say
<v Speaker 10>you've got to see this? And there are no shortage
<v Speaker 10>of Saboo highlights like that. That was pretty much how
<v Speaker 10>they built the barely legal match with Taz was just
<v Speaker 10>a great music video of Taz dumping motherfuckers on their head,
<v Speaker 10>everybody but Saboo, who hadn't got his hands on yet,
<v Speaker 10>and so the mind kind of raced to envision what
<v Speaker 10>that might look like, considering how the kind of bump
<v Speaker 10>Saboo was willing to take, and then just showing him
<v Speaker 10>just triple jump, moon salting, clearing the guardrail, everything, you know,
<v Speaker 10>without any of the the awkward in betweens that would
<v Speaker 10>characterize like the Sandman matches that we watched, for instance.
<v Speaker 10>So it's really interesting how he I wonder how cognizant
<v Speaker 10>he was of like the the way the structure of
<v Speaker 10>the business forced you to get attention, And even if
<v Speaker 10>it wasn't the way you would want to pursue it,
<v Speaker 10>you're sort of obliged to do it that way because
<v Speaker 10>if you didn't do something spectacular, truly, nobody would see it.
<v Speaker 10>Nobody would hear about it. No, you would never see
<v Speaker 10>the light to day. That's something we can't lose sight of. So,
<v Speaker 10>you know, I do wonder about the naps. I'm sure
<v Speaker 10>he did take naps, but he's also very clear at
<v Speaker 10>his book that he was constantly being watched backstage for
<v Speaker 10>drug use. He certainly his reputation preceded him in that regard.
<v Speaker 10>At one point he even walked around and I apologized
<v Speaker 10>to the locker room for bringing ill repute to the company.
<v Speaker 3>For drug use. So, I mean, I'd be nervous that
<v Speaker 3>if he fell asleep he'd never wake up again.
<v Speaker 10>Well that that was you know, there's a great paranoia
<v Speaker 10>about that in the WWF locker room, going all the
<v Speaker 10>way back to like Brian Pillman and other people ended
<v Speaker 10>up dying who were before that. All the stories come
<v Speaker 10>out about how they would be passed out in the
<v Speaker 10>locker room, and you'd be within your rights to worry
<v Speaker 10>that they might just be sitting there dead, that they
<v Speaker 10>snuck a one too many pills.
<v Speaker 22>You know.
<v Speaker 10>It was something that was on the mind. And this
<v Speaker 10>is post Eddy Guerrero too, so there was hyper sensitivity
<v Speaker 10>about that at WW at the time. So you know,
<v Speaker 10>I do wonder if it crossed my mind that perhaps
<v Speaker 10>just Incredible was doing a little wink wink on what
<v Speaker 10>he meant by naps, you know, and what may have
<v Speaker 10>caused the state of unconsciousness, and what it may have
<v Speaker 10>taken honestly little, you know, whiff of this or that
<v Speaker 10>to be able to get that refreshed, to be able
<v Speaker 10>to look like your old form out there, you know. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 10>And we'll see in the final chapter of this Saboo
<v Speaker 10>story how he was certainly things were made available to
<v Speaker 10>him if he didn't get them himself. That made sure
<v Speaker 10>that at least for one more night he could be Saboo. Okay,
<v Speaker 10>let's put it that way. And he got into a
<v Speaker 10>lot of in Bruglio was backstage at WW with other
<v Speaker 10>talent around drug use. According to his book, he was
<v Speaker 10>really pissed at Omaga for stooging on one time for
<v Speaker 10>using drugs, and he was especially pissed at Test Andrew Martin,
<v Speaker 10>who of course passed away dude an overdose and had
<v Speaker 10>a terrible drug problem afore he left WWE. And if
<v Speaker 10>you remember, I don't know if you remember this Test
<v Speaker 10>was kind of an ECW guy. In the beginning of
<v Speaker 10>this experiment. They put him on ECW, pushed him. Yeah,
<v Speaker 10>it's like yeah, ugh, Paul must have seen something in him.
<v Speaker 10>I don't know, but whatever it was. All of a sudden,
<v Speaker 10>Test was like this ECW experiment, and so he was
<v Speaker 10>sharing locker rooms with a lot of the originals, like Saboo,
<v Speaker 10>And there was some point along the line where he
<v Speaker 10>comes face to face with Saboo and they're talking about
<v Speaker 10>a match and Test just kind of scoffs at doing
<v Speaker 10>something in the ring that would make Saboo look good,
<v Speaker 10>and there's like a why not kind of moment, and
<v Speaker 10>Test says something along the lines of well, I'm six
<v Speaker 10>seven and you're not so oh boy. Yeah, that doesn't
<v Speaker 10>go over too, well, yeah, that'll do it to these guys.
<v Speaker 3>Idiots.
<v Speaker 10>But at the same time, to hear Sabou tell it,
<v Speaker 10>Test wasn't above sharing some recreation with Saboo when he
<v Speaker 10>had the shit on him. And so it was like
<v Speaker 10>this weird duality of like, he's your friend and when
<v Speaker 10>he wants to do drugs with you, and he's your
<v Speaker 10>worst enemy when it comes to, you know, literally stooging
<v Speaker 10>on you or or you know, saying I'm not going
<v Speaker 10>to sell for you, which is a big no. Note
<v Speaker 10>to Saboo in particular, who was pretty uh sensitive about
<v Speaker 10>that kind of thing, as he wrote in his book,
<v Speaker 10>You know he was. He'd pretend that he was my friend,
<v Speaker 10>like to set me up. We would do drugs together,
<v Speaker 10>and then he would wait for me to get high.
<v Speaker 10>Once he knew that I was, he would run off
<v Speaker 10>and knock on me. I mean, it would be one
<v Speaker 10>thing if we if he saw me fucked up and
<v Speaker 10>felt compelled to tell on me for my own well being,
<v Speaker 10>But that's not what he did. He would actually ask
<v Speaker 10>me for drugs, take the drug right there in front
<v Speaker 10>of me, then go run off and tell on me.
<v Speaker 10>Saboo was all fucked up. Right now on Soma's quick
<v Speaker 10>go find him. Go find him right now and see
<v Speaker 10>ask he this is what he wrote? Wow, you want
<v Speaker 10>to you know what, I'm gonna ask you to fucking
<v Speaker 10>read what he what Saboo said. To bring this point
<v Speaker 10>home after recounting, it's a very quick line.
<v Speaker 3>What happened? What did he write? What did he write?
<v Speaker 3>What did he write? Sohle asshole, asshole? In the end,
<v Speaker 3>I guess it doesn't really matter. Test I won. You
<v Speaker 3>died first, motherfucker? How does that hit after Sabu dies?
<v Speaker 3>That's like woof fuck?
<v Speaker 10>Like okay, I mean, if he nurses that for that
<v Speaker 10>many years, this book probably came out like yeah, fifteen
<v Speaker 10>years after that happened. Man, you know that that probably
<v Speaker 10>is part of why he never could survive in the
<v Speaker 10>Big two for very long. Because if you have that
<v Speaker 10>in you to say that like, that's going to come
<v Speaker 10>out in your in your backstage interaction, no matter how
<v Speaker 10>much dried to put a lid on it. Man, a
<v Speaker 10>lot of people remember, Hey, yeah, what do you think?
<v Speaker 3>Man? Just please, that's just that's just I mean, that's
<v Speaker 3>just dark shit. Like you know, even the people I've
<v Speaker 3>ever I've hated the most I would never I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think i'd ever say that, except maybe in
<v Speaker 3>a joking way. I certainly wouldn't put it in print. Right.
<v Speaker 10>That's the key is that of all the people he
<v Speaker 10>crossed that crossed him, he seems very conciliatory towards them.
<v Speaker 3>By the end.
<v Speaker 10>But from test just nope, no love lost and clad
<v Speaker 10>he died first. Jesus, don't talk about a reality check.
<v Speaker 10>I always love and wrestling when the truth slips through,
<v Speaker 10>you know with these guys. Yeah, that's why those old
<v Speaker 10>shooting interviews are so great. When they thought only two
<v Speaker 10>thousand people would see them on DVD. You know, I
<v Speaker 10>didn't even know what YouTube was, had no conception of
<v Speaker 10>these things living on forever like they have. And they
<v Speaker 10>told the truth in those early ones. And then as
<v Speaker 10>the shoot interview business evolves, all of a sudden, these
<v Speaker 10>things get more and more political, and you know, you
<v Speaker 10>can basically chart what company they were about to go
<v Speaker 10>to work for based on who they took it easy on.
<v Speaker 10>You know, it's like three shooting interviews ago, you ripped
<v Speaker 10>this guy a new asshole. Yeah, and now you're pretending
<v Speaker 10>like there was never really any differences between you, and
<v Speaker 10>it's just like, oh God, here we go. They want
<v Speaker 10>the money for the shoot, but they now realize telling
<v Speaker 10>the truth comes with a price too, because they're eventually
<v Speaker 10>gonna want to go back, and as we know, especially
<v Speaker 10>a wwunder Vince like, they want you back when you
<v Speaker 10>talk shit. You know, of course the ultimate own. Of
<v Speaker 10>course they need that, they need that. You remembered right
<v Speaker 10>away that RVD had a little bit of weed trouble
<v Speaker 10>after winning the WB title in O six.
<v Speaker 3>Of course, yep, I remember that very well. Actually, it
<v Speaker 3>seems like it happened a lot later than I remember. Honestly,
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't remember him having as long of
<v Speaker 3>a run as we kind of talked about. I thought
<v Speaker 3>it was like a day or two like it, or
<v Speaker 3>like a week, yeah, like two weeks and then all
<v Speaker 3>of a sudden he's done.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, probably felt that way because it really never got going,
<v Speaker 10>even though I guess on the calendar it was longer
<v Speaker 10>than you might remember. Yeah, but it wasn't really like
<v Speaker 10>the RVD reign had any city he had a successful
<v Speaker 10>title defense, did he not? I think he did, yeah,
<v Speaker 10>but it wasn't, Like my point, he didn't have a campaign.
<v Speaker 10>You know, he didn't have like a no oh he's
<v Speaker 10>the man to pay per views in a row or
<v Speaker 10>anything like that because of this.
<v Speaker 1>No.
<v Speaker 3>But but even the fact that he that he had
<v Speaker 3>a that he that he had a uh, you know,
<v Speaker 3>one successful title defense, I really didn't think he even
<v Speaker 3>had that even got that. Yeah, yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 10>It makes a lot of sense that it was. It
<v Speaker 10>was remembered as such a truncated deal because it was,
<v Speaker 10>and it was due to it was due to drugs.
<v Speaker 10>It was due to marijuana, though it wasn't due to
<v Speaker 10>any of the harder drugs that I think would have
<v Speaker 10>gotten in a lot more trouble. And it's even though
<v Speaker 10>my memory takes me to that episode as something that
<v Speaker 10>would have kind of, you know, screwed Saboo's chances and WW,
<v Speaker 10>the truth is they pushed him pretty hard after this happened,
<v Speaker 10>and the way he talked about it in his book
<v Speaker 10>was that Vince was was pretty understanding. He was disappointed,
<v Speaker 10>and of course, with the scrutiny being around drugs, as
<v Speaker 10>it wasn't o six after Eddie died, they had they
<v Speaker 10>felt they had to take action. It was it was
<v Speaker 10>in the public that this had happened and and interestingly,
<v Speaker 10>there the culture still wasn't differentfferentiating between weed use and
<v Speaker 10>other drug use in terms of penalties. You know, I'm
<v Speaker 10>not saying people thought it was as bad as doing meth,
<v Speaker 10>but in terms of how WW viewed it for the
<v Speaker 10>purposes of you know, sanction and the purposes of you know,
<v Speaker 10>getting taken out of storylines and taken off of television
<v Speaker 10>and suspended without pay, you know, marijuana might as well
<v Speaker 10>have been on the level of cocaine or something like that.
<v Speaker 10>But here's what happened. This is from the Chicago Sun Times,
<v Speaker 10>July ninth, two thousand and six. This arrest took place
<v Speaker 10>in Ohio, and Boss, please hit us with that breaking news.
<v Speaker 3>In what could be called a worst case scenario for
<v Speaker 3>World Roasting Entertainment, double champion Rob Van Dam and ECW
<v Speaker 3>superstars Saboo were pulled over last week in Hanging Rock,
<v Speaker 3>Ohio and charged with possession of illegal drugs and drug paraphernalia.
<v Speaker 3>According to the Ohio State Police, Van Dam was stopped
<v Speaker 3>for speeding. When troopers approached his vehicle, they said they
<v Speaker 3>smelled marijuana and performed a search. Troopers said they found
<v Speaker 3>the WWE and ECW Champion in possession of eighteen grams
<v Speaker 3>of marijuana and five vicodin. Sabou was charged with possession
<v Speaker 3>of drug paraphernalia and also said to have nine pills
<v Speaker 3>that were not immediately identifiable but said to be known
<v Speaker 3>as controlled substances. Both were cited and posted bond at
<v Speaker 3>the scene. Then Van Dam was informed Monday that he
<v Speaker 3>was to begin serving a thirty day suspension immediately following
<v Speaker 3>losses on Monday night to Edge and Tuesday night to
<v Speaker 3>the Big Show, in order to save WWE from embarrassment.
<v Speaker 3>By all accounts, the charges against Van Dam and Sabou
<v Speaker 3>are not that serious. The men will need to return
<v Speaker 3>to Ohio to face a desk appearance and pay a fine.
<v Speaker 3>So there was vicodin that was kind of concerning, But
<v Speaker 3>you could get vico in with a legit prescription. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>it was a pain killer course, and I'm sure they
<v Speaker 3>had some form of that. I guess is a little
<v Speaker 3>more concerning considering the type of drug use that was
<v Speaker 3>associated with wrestlers dying prematurely at the time that they
<v Speaker 3>were very sensitive about.
<v Speaker 10>But yeah, that's that's what it was. You remember that, Uh,
<v Speaker 10>I think it was Edge. He cashed in his money
<v Speaker 10>in the bank early or something like that. Yeah, it was, uh,
<v Speaker 10>it was that that's the money in the bank he
<v Speaker 10>took off, mister Kennedy.
<v Speaker 3>No, and that was that. This was the year before.
<v Speaker 3>Oh Kennedy was two thousand and seven. Okay, yeah, I don't.
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember how Edge one. They just did a
<v Speaker 3>triple threat match on Raw one week. But I thought
<v Speaker 3>I thought I had something to do with money in
<v Speaker 3>the bank. Maybe it did or maybe it didn't, because
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I'm sitting here to I remember the two
<v Speaker 3>thousand and six money in the bank winner, and I
<v Speaker 3>can't even I remember. I remember when he lost. I
<v Speaker 3>remember him. I remember him losing because it was really weird.
<v Speaker 3>It was like, if I'm not mistaken, it was no, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>because because Edge right, Edge cashed in money in the
<v Speaker 3>bank in January okay, yes, at the Chamber to beat
<v Speaker 3>seen it right, and then seen it went it back,
<v Speaker 3>and then this time right, I remember being the second time,
<v Speaker 3>Remember being happy that at least Edge had it because Edge,
<v Speaker 3>you know, it was like that that first tuttle run
<v Speaker 3>was such a fluke. You know, they really they really
<v Speaker 3>fucked him for Edge. They fucked Harvid as well.
<v Speaker 10>But yeah, so it's showing at vengeance. He did have
<v Speaker 10>that successful defense against Edge, like you mentioned, and then
<v Speaker 10>on the July third episode of Raw, he lost it
<v Speaker 10>to Edge in triple threat match that also featured John Cena.
<v Speaker 10>So that was the triple threat environment. I do you
<v Speaker 10>remember that?
<v Speaker 3>It was kind of like, all of a sudden, He's
<v Speaker 3>defending the.
<v Speaker 10>Title on Raw after having a successful Pay Review title defense,
<v Speaker 10>and I thought that was I thought that was a
<v Speaker 10>little strange. But the money in the bank winner, let's see,
<v Speaker 10>in two thousand and six was Rob van dam So.
<v Speaker 3>All right, because he cashed it in at One Night's stand.
<v Speaker 3>That was the whole idea. He didn't he didn't run
<v Speaker 3>it in like like most people do. He actually said,
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna do it here. That's right, I'm gonna do
<v Speaker 3>it here. Thank you. Great. That gets me back there.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, because I remember Edge was Edge also took the
<v Speaker 10>money the bank briefcase off Kennedy. But it wasn't It
<v Speaker 10>wasn't to win the title. It wasn't to take the
<v Speaker 10>belt off Van damn. That was a different year. Okay,
<v Speaker 10>that's where'm getting of the year after Yes, very good,
<v Speaker 10>very good, so yeah, all of a sudden that happens.
<v Speaker 10>And remember we had both he had the ECW World
<v Speaker 10>title and the WW Championships. So we had to lose
<v Speaker 10>the WB title on the Live min Night Raw and
<v Speaker 10>then lose the ECW title on the ECW show the
<v Speaker 10>next night, and then he was gone, and uh, Sabu
<v Speaker 10>felt really bad about it, you know, and that was
<v Speaker 10>kind of when he did the apology tour going around
<v Speaker 10>and you know, apologizing to the locker room for bringing
<v Speaker 10>this this ill repute at a very sensitive time. But
<v Speaker 10>come Survivors Series two thousand and six, it's relatively good
<v Speaker 10>in the hood. Do you remember what they did on
<v Speaker 10>that one? It was a W TEAMWW versus.
<v Speaker 3>H team.
<v Speaker 10>It wasn't w W versus ECW. It was more like
<v Speaker 10>they mixed together Saboo and Van Dam with Sena, Kane
<v Speaker 10>and Lashley lastly being an ECW guy, and they eat
<v Speaker 10>Finley MVP test Big Show in Omaga. So it was
<v Speaker 10>like a combination of WW and ECW baby Faces versus
<v Speaker 10>w W and ECW Heels weird.
<v Speaker 3>Match that is. Yeah, it's a team Sena versus team
<v Speaker 3>Big Show. We always fucking needed.
<v Speaker 10>In Philly that year, it's fiber series, so maybe that's
<v Speaker 10>something to do with it. And then Sabu got to
<v Speaker 10>participate in the two thousand and seven Royal Rumble matches
<v Speaker 10>only Royal Rumble, so he was part of the sixty
<v Speaker 10>there god the thirty there, Yep, he was one. And
<v Speaker 10>then wrestle Mania twenty three, as we mentioned, the pre
<v Speaker 10>show match with Saboo, Tommy Dreamer Sandman in RVD is
<v Speaker 10>the W Originals defeating Kevin Thorne, Elijah Burke, Marcus cor Vaughan,
<v Speaker 10>Sabu's trainee, Monty Brown, and Matt Striker in about a
<v Speaker 10>seven minute match at the Ford Field in Detroit, not
<v Speaker 10>far from Well actually the same city where his uncle ruled.
<v Speaker 3>That wasn't there. That wasn't the pre match. The pre
<v Speaker 3>match was Rick Flair and Carlito. They were also on
<v Speaker 3>the main That was the main show. Okay, I thought
<v Speaker 3>there were a couple of pre show Rick Rick Flair,
<v Speaker 3>Carlito Verse defeated the Gregory Helms and Chavo. Now, but
<v Speaker 3>the ECW Originals they were on the main show.
<v Speaker 10>And do you remember how yeah, how absurd it seemed
<v Speaker 10>that Rick Flair was on a pre show after having
<v Speaker 10>a you know after being such a prominent guy in
<v Speaker 10>the company upon his return, But there he was, and
<v Speaker 10>there was Saboo as well, so he got a wrestle
<v Speaker 10>media moment in there such as it was in Detroit,
<v Speaker 10>no less, not far from his hometown where his father,
<v Speaker 10>his uncle rather was the signature iconic wrestler. But by
<v Speaker 10>May of two thousand and seven he would be released.
<v Speaker 10>I believe his final match was on May first, two
<v Speaker 10>thousand and seven in Birmingham, Alabama, teaming with his longtime
<v Speaker 10>buddy Rob van Dam to beat The Sandman and Tommy
<v Speaker 10>Dreamer and a four way match actually wasn't a tag
<v Speaker 10>team match, it was a four way match in which
<v Speaker 10>Rob van Dam became number one contender for the world
<v Speaker 10>title ECW World Title. A thing that is important to
<v Speaker 10>mention too, feeding into this whole backbiting environment that Saboo
<v Speaker 10>described at WWE was that Johnny Ace, Johnny Lori Nitis
<v Speaker 10>was now had a talent relation and if there was
<v Speaker 10>ever someone who trafficked in one person talking shit about
<v Speaker 10>another person trying to get them in trouble, it was him.
<v Speaker 10>He was the master at that and can't move on.
<v Speaker 5>I'm just the guy.
<v Speaker 36>Hey, Hey, I'm not doing anything that that that is
<v Speaker 36>any you know that is questionable. I just I take
<v Speaker 36>it as I see it.
<v Speaker 10>Well, depends what you mean by that what I could
<v Speaker 10>be a big problem. But uh, we can't move on
<v Speaker 10>from Sabo's WW run here without his commentary on dealing
<v Speaker 10>with Johnny Ace. Anybody who worked in WW during this
<v Speaker 10>era we can call it has money. John Lorinta's stories
<v Speaker 10>and hears saboo from a shoot interview with title Match.
<v Speaker 11>So one day I come in late because I knew
<v Speaker 11>I had to wrestle this guy, this vampire dude, and
<v Speaker 11>and so I called said I'm gonna be I called
<v Speaker 11>Johnny myondis as I called it, the TELLMI late. He
<v Speaker 11>starts yelling at me over the phone. I said okay,
<v Speaker 11>and I hung up on him. I show up way
<v Speaker 11>late and then he goes, derry, You're going nothing, you're
<v Speaker 11>doing that? And I go, I don't think.
<v Speaker 12>So he goes why not.
<v Speaker 11>I said, I said, my neck hurts, I'm not doing nothing.
<v Speaker 11>He goes, you worked in pain. He worked with pain before.
<v Speaker 11>I said no anymore, I don't. So, uh, they end
<v Speaker 11>up and firing me. After that, I kind of quit
<v Speaker 11>and they fired me, but.
<v Speaker 13>You weren't interested at that point.
<v Speaker 11>I mean, I had enough, but I should have tried.
<v Speaker 11>I should have tried harder to fit in. But it
<v Speaker 11>was never It would have never fit. I should have
<v Speaker 11>tried harder.
<v Speaker 13>It was nothing against was it Kevin Thorn?
<v Speaker 11>I guess nothing personal.
<v Speaker 13>That was just business and.
<v Speaker 23>They you know I had a draw a line. That's
<v Speaker 23>where I do the life.
<v Speaker 11>I'm not wrestling this guy because my neck hurts, and
<v Speaker 11>my neck did hurt, not enough to maybe quit a match.
<v Speaker 11>I was mad enough to quit a match. The way
<v Speaker 11>he was yelling at me over the phone, He's talking
<v Speaker 11>to me like a little kid. I was sort of giggling,
<v Speaker 11>and so I said, this guy, I don't knows what's
<v Speaker 11>gonna happen.
<v Speaker 13>And really he's just a management position. This is events
<v Speaker 13>telling you this.
<v Speaker 43>This is.
<v Speaker 12>Let me Terry.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, Terry. You've worked.
<v Speaker 10>No, no dispatch of the beach again, brother two thousand?
<v Speaker 6>Dude?
<v Speaker 3>Did you get a fax? Brother?
<v Speaker 11>What?
<v Speaker 21>No?
<v Speaker 30>No?
<v Speaker 5>I got the facts straight this time. God, you know
<v Speaker 5>I got all the facts. You've worked her before? Yeah, Hey,
<v Speaker 5>I've seen you work with a broken fucking neck.
<v Speaker 3>That's what. Who?
<v Speaker 36>Yeah, that's what I said, Saboo in his angles, you
<v Speaker 36>gotta work, Well, you're not gonna work with Kevin Thorn.
<v Speaker 10>How do you think he feels, Saboo costing himself a
<v Speaker 10>WWE career because he didn't consider how Kevin Thorne. We've
<v Speaker 10>all been there, We've all paid the price for not
<v Speaker 10>caring how Kevin Thorn feels.
<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you.
<v Speaker 5>Without his feelings. Huh, you're just gonna be selfish.
<v Speaker 23>Don't hit me.
<v Speaker 3>Why what's your address? I need to send you a
<v Speaker 3>garbage bag full of your belongings.
<v Speaker 36>Hey, just get the fuck out of here. I'm gonna
<v Speaker 36>send you a send you a bag with with a
<v Speaker 36>bunch of ship.
<v Speaker 3>Literal call it a Johnny has care package.
<v Speaker 5>Literal ship. Johnny on a fucking spot.
<v Speaker 3>Right, That should be the title of his book, Johnny
<v Speaker 3>on the Spot. Johnny calls the spot.
<v Speaker 6>Oh my god, M.
<v Speaker 10>I don't know why I say that again, I don't either,
<v Speaker 10>Johnny And Uh, that was how it ended for Sabu.
<v Speaker 10>Little kerfuffle there over doing business and wrestling an opponent
<v Speaker 10>that he just didn't feel like going and caring about
<v Speaker 10>and finding an exit and all the issues that that
<v Speaker 10>led up to that but uh, it came down to
<v Speaker 10>a tone struck on the phone by Johnny Ace. A
<v Speaker 10>lot of wrestlers had that kind of story, and by
<v Speaker 10>February twenty ten, WW shut down the ECW experiment, And uh,
<v Speaker 10>do you recall a little bit of trivia? What became
<v Speaker 10>of the ECW time slot on sci Fi?
<v Speaker 3>What did it turn into? Was it an next was
<v Speaker 3>that XC? Yes?
<v Speaker 12>Wow?
<v Speaker 10>The first version of it would just kind of take
<v Speaker 10>off of tough enough where it wasn't like, you know,
<v Speaker 10>it was developmental guys, but they were paired with pros
<v Speaker 10>and they would do matches and they would do skills
<v Speaker 10>competitions and people could vote on Oh my god, including
<v Speaker 10>Daniel Bryan in the miz.
<v Speaker 3>So set up that whole fucking thing for what millennia?
<v Speaker 3>That happened right looking on it, Sabo.
<v Speaker 10>Wrote, in hindsight, I probably should have played politics a
<v Speaker 10>little better, but that is on me. I should have
<v Speaker 10>just did what the owner wanted, and who knows, maybe
<v Speaker 10>I would have had more success there. What Vince said,
<v Speaker 10>you know, Saboo, you will make more money in merchandise
<v Speaker 10>than you will make in the ring. I probably should
<v Speaker 10>have listened to him about being a character a little
<v Speaker 10>bit more and figured out how to compromise.
<v Speaker 3>But that's all on me. You know what if we
<v Speaker 3>gave you you know, the the the great Saboo, you know,
<v Speaker 3>you could you could like fly in, we could we
<v Speaker 3>could create a toy with wings, magic carpet maybe flying Saboo,
<v Speaker 3>the the you know, and then we could have you know,
<v Speaker 3>we could have variations on me on the action figures.
<v Speaker 3>You could have like you know, Combat Saboo, or you
<v Speaker 3>could have you know, Saboo the garbage Man. You know,
<v Speaker 3>just incredible amounts of variations that all would go directly
<v Speaker 3>in New York pocket. I imagine little kids would buy
<v Speaker 3>Sabou the Garbage Man if you were a waiter. And
<v Speaker 3>that's where you've got all the forks and tables from
<v Speaker 3>exactly what exactly you know? They see, the kids can
<v Speaker 3>create their own stories. See we provide you know, a template,
<v Speaker 3>We provide a template, explain the whole idea of the
<v Speaker 3>company to them, you know, see the w W we
<v Speaker 3>are I don't know if you're ware of this. We
<v Speaker 3>are publicly treating it, you know, media conglomerate and right
<v Speaker 3>we have offices in Connecticut, New York, uh Los Angeles,
<v Speaker 3>Hong Kong, the Toronto, Australia, Toronto, Tokyo, different, different you
<v Speaker 3>know places, and you know, we we provide a the
<v Speaker 3>multitude of weekly content that is a template for you know,
<v Speaker 3>branching off into personal story telling, you know. We that's
<v Speaker 3>what we do. We we inspire others to create their
<v Speaker 3>own stories, but not you. We don't want to inspire
<v Speaker 3>you to create your own story. Sadly, we want to
<v Speaker 3>inspire you to execute our story, thank you very much.
<v Speaker 3>And so you know you have to execute our story
<v Speaker 3>in order to inspire others to to to create their stories,
<v Speaker 3>you know. And and we in doing so, we involve
<v Speaker 3>the different aspects of of of of this digital age
<v Speaker 3>that we live in, dealing with all sorts of of
<v Speaker 3>you know, verticals right, and and you know return r
<v Speaker 3>O I, you know, very big on R O I
<v Speaker 3>and and the you get it. You understand, you speak
<v Speaker 3>my language.
<v Speaker 10>Your original ring name is I understand it. Powell was
<v Speaker 10>Terry s r O I, Right, that that's.
<v Speaker 3>What it was, Terry s return on Investment. I see
<v Speaker 3>no problem with how we advance.
<v Speaker 10>I'll go forth and be great. He leaves the room,
<v Speaker 10>and SA's like, what the fuck am I going to do.
<v Speaker 10>Now what was I supposed to do?
<v Speaker 3>Then go forth and create, inspire and tell a story.
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Three hours later go I'm Saboo and tonight.
<v Speaker 10>I'm gonna murder Paul. But, as he concludes, I should
<v Speaker 10>have listened to him about being a character a little
<v Speaker 10>bit more and figured out how to compromise. But that's
<v Speaker 10>all on me. I understand that now, even though it's
<v Speaker 10>probably too late, and I kind of feel stupid yep,
<v Speaker 10>or maybe boss, as you posited at the very beginning
<v Speaker 10>of this tribute, like a fucking idiot. Yes, if I
<v Speaker 10>could do if I could do it all over again
<v Speaker 10>and shed less blood and avoid more injuries at the
<v Speaker 10>expense of my performance in the ring, I wouldn't even
<v Speaker 10>consider it, he concludes. He went from that run to
<v Speaker 10>do some TNA, some Puerto Rico, some Triple A in
<v Speaker 10>Mexico where he actually had quite a bit of success
<v Speaker 10>on a lounge of different things, and then we hit
<v Speaker 10>twenty fifteen and he's on the indies and this comes out.
<v Speaker 3>Let's share it with you.
<v Speaker 10>This is a Pat Buck who ran a company called
<v Speaker 10>Pro Wrestling Syndicate and is now a member of the
<v Speaker 10>WWE front I don't think front office. He's one of
<v Speaker 10>the suits that runs out there, you know, to break
<v Speaker 10>up fights and all that.
<v Speaker 3>And he's like a road agent.
<v Speaker 10>He's one of those guys that wears like very tight suits.
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean.
<v Speaker 10>Oh of course you can see, yes, like if they'd
<v Speaker 10>have socks on, you'd be able to see like the
<v Speaker 10>bottom of their shin bone.
<v Speaker 3>And oh yeah, absolute worst. Just in case you didn't
<v Speaker 3>know how I was talking about. And so he was.
<v Speaker 10>He booked Saboo on the independent scene. And just like
<v Speaker 10>in our Sid tribute where you know, Sid kind of
<v Speaker 10>keeps trying to k fabe and he k fabe is
<v Speaker 10>his way past the generation where there's no on ability
<v Speaker 10>at all, you know. And these promoters that he's suddenly
<v Speaker 10>not stiffing and not showing up for aren't afraid to
<v Speaker 10>go on the internet and fucking play voicemails. But the
<v Speaker 10>guy left that exposed exposes his his litany of excuses for.
<v Speaker 3>Not being able to get on the airplane.
<v Speaker 10>And and you know, they don't give a fuck, Like
<v Speaker 10>if the audience is pissed at them for the no
<v Speaker 10>show and they feel it's the talent's fault, they're going
<v Speaker 10>to go on the internet and put that motherfucker on blast.
<v Speaker 10>That's a that's a tool available to them, and some
<v Speaker 10>of the froggyer of the independent promoters will avail themselves
<v Speaker 10>of that option, and Pat Buck was certainly no exception.
<v Speaker 10>And this one kind of followed Saboo around for a
<v Speaker 10>while because he had kind of fallen out of the
<v Speaker 10>limelight but was still working indies all over the country
<v Speaker 10>and in fact the world all the time. As I
<v Speaker 10>just outlined, and this is the first time I feel
<v Speaker 10>like you heard a story on the road about Saboo
<v Speaker 10>that was like, wait a minute, this is this is
<v Speaker 10>actually pretty disturbing.
<v Speaker 3>This guy may be struggling pro wrestling. Sindy get Co
<v Speaker 3>promoter Pat Buck posted a lengthy story on face book
<v Speaker 3>in which he says he found drug paraphernalia and blood
<v Speaker 3>in Sabo's hotel room this weekend. You can read a full,
<v Speaker 3>rather lengthy account here, but uh an excerpt is below.
<v Speaker 3>On Saturday night at Startland Ballroom, Sabo showed up half
<v Speaker 3>hour late to the autograph signing, which is a big
<v Speaker 3>deal as he's paid for his time. After the signing,
<v Speaker 3>Sabo was caught smoking weed in the locker room with
<v Speaker 3>an outsider, which one, which one? Holler Nash, Holler Nash.
<v Speaker 3>This sort of stuff used to be common in locker
<v Speaker 3>rooms for wrestling, but we don't tolerate that at PWS,
<v Speaker 3>especially when it is when it's a nice venue that's
<v Speaker 3>a big deal for us. Kevin Matthews screamed at Saboo
<v Speaker 3>for his lack of respect for the promotion. Oh my god,
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ, does anyone have respect for the Pro Wrestling Syndicate?
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's the whole reason you hired him, right, that's
<v Speaker 3>brought him in multiple time since two thousand and seven.
<v Speaker 3>Sabu backpedaled and apologized until the second issue arose, I
<v Speaker 3>should make note here that I normally have a friendly
<v Speaker 3>relationship with Sabu because I'm direct and he's paid on time.
<v Speaker 3>One conversation came up prior to this show about how
<v Speaker 3>he takes less money to win and more money to lose.
<v Speaker 3>It's a completely ludicrous and silly way of thinking. So
<v Speaker 3>my reply was, Okay, I'll have you win and you'll
<v Speaker 3>be paid less than what you agreed to to come
<v Speaker 3>in for. He chuckled and said he would lose no problem.
<v Speaker 3>Upon the show starting, Sabu demanded a substantial amount of
<v Speaker 3>money to put over his opponent Falla Bah. I'm sorry,
<v Speaker 3>what yeah, who's in t Today's a big fat guy, Jesus.
<v Speaker 3>I was informed while I was in the production booth
<v Speaker 3>and pws CO owner Eric Pisca had to figure out
<v Speaker 3>ways to get Sabu to do well his job. I
<v Speaker 3>knew that if I dealt with the situation myself, it
<v Speaker 3>would have ended. It would have ended by the way.
<v Speaker 3>It would have ended up in a brawl that I
<v Speaker 3>would be happy to partake in, but I didn't want
<v Speaker 3>to ruin everybody's night. He buried me, said I knew
<v Speaker 3>what the deal was, and put up a hissy fit.
<v Speaker 3>He refused to speak to Fala also, which makes the matter,
<v Speaker 3>which makes the match suffer. He refused to Falla at
<v Speaker 3>his boy's right, damn right. Eric found a happy medium.
<v Speaker 3>The solve was a dusty finish, which would which should?
<v Speaker 30>Uh?
<v Speaker 3>Which should? We're now calling a Sabou finish because we
<v Speaker 3>because we're finished with Sabo. Sabu demanded that he wanted
<v Speaker 3>to be introduced as he got into the ring. I
<v Speaker 3>thought Sabu didn't talk, but apparently Sabu's new persona is
<v Speaker 3>he he just doesn't stop talking, even though he was
<v Speaker 3>Even though he was introduced going into the ring, he
<v Speaker 3>wanted a second introduction, which was weird personally. I think
<v Speaker 3>he was high and realized they'd introed him. The match
<v Speaker 3>was what it was. Fala has been tearing up PWS
<v Speaker 3>and the buffets as well Reality of Wrestling, PWS, Reality
<v Speaker 3>of Wrestling, and anywhere else he's been working OCB.
<v Speaker 10>From what I understand, Old Countryfet.
<v Speaker 3>Saboo was literally just talking and yelling the entire match
<v Speaker 3>at his genie. It was weird, it wasn't good, and
<v Speaker 3>fans could tell. Well. I didn't want to put this out,
<v Speaker 3>but more drama happened this morning. My CC bill was
<v Speaker 3>hit pretty hard for weird charges at the hotel Saboo
<v Speaker 3>stayed at. Oh. I should also mention that Saboo took
<v Speaker 3>a booking in Philly the next day, to which they
<v Speaker 3>paid nothing to PWS, nor did Saboo inform us of this.
<v Speaker 3>PWS covered his trans from Detroit to and fro in
<v Speaker 3>Wrestling World. Was it a magazine? Someone Saboo piggybacked and
<v Speaker 3>took a booking the next day and presumingly took trans
<v Speaker 3>money from from them while we fronted a hotel bill.
<v Speaker 3>He's assuming that Sabou made the other guys pay for
<v Speaker 3>TRANS to put in his pocket because he already had
<v Speaker 3>a ride because of R. Yeah, that's that's hilarious.
<v Speaker 10>Oh my god, Trans just I can't get rams business.
<v Speaker 10>You gotta pay trans dad, Terry. We'll pay trans no
<v Speaker 10>better than you know what distribs.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the movie no Better is exactly right. Uh. Anyway,
<v Speaker 3>the hotel had a smoking charge of two hundred and
<v Speaker 3>fifty dollars on each night. They charged you because you're
<v Speaker 3>smoking in the ring and not the ring the room.
<v Speaker 3>I was pretty pissed because it's irresponsible, but mostly because
<v Speaker 3>I've had a similar situation happened before. I always make
<v Speaker 3>sure promoter note to be responsible for just room and tax,
<v Speaker 3>just in case this issue arose. Normally, the talent has
<v Speaker 3>to put their credit card down for incidentals. I was
<v Speaker 3>told by the hotel that they did that. They did
<v Speaker 3>put a credit card down and it was declined. Wow,
<v Speaker 3>Saboo made such a commotion that they unlawfully put the
<v Speaker 3>incidentals on my card to avoid his tantum. Just get
<v Speaker 3>this fucking guy out of it and just put it
<v Speaker 3>on the guy. You know, listen, all right, just just
<v Speaker 3>keep your mouth shut. This guy put boss. This guy's
<v Speaker 3>been out there saying I'm Saboo over and over again.
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what that means, but he won't
<v Speaker 3>stop Saboo, stop saying it. I'm Saboo, and tonight I
<v Speaker 3>want to burn this hotel down tonight. I am the hotel. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>let's definitely find a way to stop this conversation. Tonight,
<v Speaker 3>I'm the hotel. Excuse me, sir, and all the incidentals
<v Speaker 3>are free. I am Saboo, the hotel, Saboo.
<v Speaker 10>Let me let me ask you a question. If I
<v Speaker 10>slept on the roof, would I pay less?
<v Speaker 3>If if I hung a curtain between two posts and
<v Speaker 3>I slept in that would that would that make it free?
<v Speaker 3>You can't sleep in the ring, sir. I'm fighting this
<v Speaker 3>charge right now. But there's more to the story. The
<v Speaker 3>hotel wanted to inform me that there were a few
<v Speaker 3>other issues. Apparently they had a dog stay with them,
<v Speaker 3>and within the hotel room, on the walls, towels, sheets,
<v Speaker 3>there was blood and feces. Fine everywhere. Fine, I don't Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's totally fun. I got the problem. They showed me
<v Speaker 3>horrifying pictures. They also found several syringes slash needles, truly disturbing.
<v Speaker 3>I hope, I really hope a dog was not involved.
<v Speaker 3>That's amazing. So that's what's going on, Sa boo, sa boo. Intense?
<v Speaker 3>What a fu if forty percent of that is true?
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what a mess to deal with this guy?
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine that what you signed up for just
<v Speaker 3>getting this guy to be on your wrestling show? Like, like,
<v Speaker 3>what I love too is is here's a guy who's
<v Speaker 3>who's rationalizing why this is okay in his mind, he's
<v Speaker 3>fucking nuts and he's saying all these like you're crazy
<v Speaker 3>for hiring him okay and expecting it to be a
<v Speaker 3>normal outcome.
<v Speaker 10>Well just think how many promoters he did something like
<v Speaker 10>this too, who that hired him again?
<v Speaker 3>You know exactly? Oh man, just a fucking just a
<v Speaker 3>fucking shit show. I love it.
<v Speaker 10>Sebu brings us up in his book of course, says
<v Speaker 10>it's funny as hell because the truth is just not
<v Speaker 10>as good as what he made it sound like. He
<v Speaker 10>made me sound like some kind of dark and evil
<v Speaker 10>satan worshiping rock star. But when I first heard the
<v Speaker 10>way described that, I had to laugh out loud at
<v Speaker 10>the nonsense I was hearing. I amos kind of wished
<v Speaker 10>it was it was true. It made me seem pretty
<v Speaker 10>bad ass. First off, However, Pat Buck wasn't charged for
<v Speaker 10>the hotel room.
<v Speaker 1>I was.
<v Speaker 10>The hotel took my credit card for incidentals. Yeah, he
<v Speaker 10>didn't say it. They didn't. Right Next, I have a
<v Speaker 10>little dog and it made a little mess, which I
<v Speaker 10>cleaned and threw in the little garbage can. There were
<v Speaker 10>no needles. There was blood in the shower, because you know,
<v Speaker 10>I bleed at these wrestling shows, and that's just the
<v Speaker 10>way it is. But I didn't bleed all over the place,
<v Speaker 10>and it wasn't dog blood. I bled on the shower curtain,
<v Speaker 10>maybe got someone a towel or a sheet. But they
<v Speaker 10>made it sound like I murdered someone in that room
<v Speaker 10>and then sacrifice my dog.
<v Speaker 3>To the devil. That sounds great, but it's just not true.
<v Speaker 3>So there you go.
<v Speaker 10>You decide you'd be the judge out there, solar system.
<v Speaker 10>You know, we trust you to reach the right conclusion
<v Speaker 10>and to tell the smoke from the fire. We saw
<v Speaker 10>Sabou one more time before his death, and it wasn't
<v Speaker 10>on one more time in the national spotlight, I should
<v Speaker 10>stipulate before his death. It wasn't expected, it wasn't something
<v Speaker 10>that was advertised ahead of time. But you know, Tony Kahn,
<v Speaker 10>there he was. We saw him at the ECW Arena watching, yes,
<v Speaker 10>the Structcher match that the Doctor is in between Sabou
<v Speaker 10>and Rob van Dam. And by the time twenty twenty
<v Speaker 10>three comes around, AW is rocking and rolling as his
<v Speaker 10>promotion and there comes a need for kind of like
<v Speaker 10>a special enforcer gimmick and a program involving Chris Jericho's
<v Speaker 10>stable and Adam Cole's stable. And on an episode of
<v Speaker 10>Dynamite in twenty twenty three, if you've got the video up,
<v Speaker 10>buss I, do you see this three two one play?
<v Speaker 18>Okay, First of all, we need to say that everyone
<v Speaker 18>is agreed to no physicality.
<v Speaker 14>Thank you for that.
<v Speaker 3>Especially I agree, very very high.
<v Speaker 18>This contract is for a non sanctioned match, which means
<v Speaker 18>by sign of this contract, AW is not responsible happened
<v Speaker 18>during the match John Sunday at double or nothing. This
<v Speaker 18>is a personal contract.
<v Speaker 10>Ask you to go to sixth Go to six twenty one,
<v Speaker 10>six twenty one. After some verbal jousting between Team Jericho
<v Speaker 10>and Team Adam Cole, Cole takes the microphone and has
<v Speaker 10>this to say, right three two one, play.
<v Speaker 27>Growing up and trust me when I tell you he
<v Speaker 27>has one man is crazier than all five of you combined.
<v Speaker 22>Who's crazier than the Jericho Appreciation Society?
<v Speaker 4>Homicidal supericitle?
<v Speaker 2>Oh No, Shaennis title no has on the call?
<v Speaker 4>Shame is Shaboo?
<v Speaker 12>What that?
<v Speaker 3>Oh boy? I'm nervous talk. I'm glad they had a
<v Speaker 3>fucking video package prepared for him. Second, yea, why is
<v Speaker 3>he dressed up in a fully white suit in a
<v Speaker 3>war or fifty? Oh my god, Holy I got goose.
<v Speaker 37>Bumps and Chris Jericho. He knows Saboo very very well.
<v Speaker 37>He knows Saboo's history.
<v Speaker 3>He's been in the ring with Saboo.
<v Speaker 4>The toughest man you're ever gonna deal with. I'm telling you,
<v Speaker 4>you put.
<v Speaker 7>It through hell.
<v Speaker 3>He keeps coming back.
<v Speaker 37>Jericho Shot hot shot, and Saboo will be in Adam
<v Speaker 37>Cole's corner this Sunday.
<v Speaker 3>Got He's so fucking small compared to everybody else I
<v Speaker 3>know with the hunched over to He's he doesn't have
<v Speaker 3>much muscle telling anymore, Saboo, is it highly Oh he
<v Speaker 3>fits friend of the Show Matt Manard right in the head. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>Jericho appreciation society scatter. I'm telling you, look at his
<v Speaker 3>fucking bony legs.
<v Speaker 4>Fucking insanely dangerous, insanely dangerous.
<v Speaker 20>For trust me, Chris terror Coat just got out played
<v Speaker 20>by Adam Cole. You want a shocking term of match, dude, This.
<v Speaker 37>Match, this deeply personal match, somehow be coming even more interesting.
<v Speaker 2>But you want to talk about interesting.
<v Speaker 26>Let's take a look at our aw Women's World Championship
<v Speaker 26>title match.
<v Speaker 10>That's all right, But yeah, you would play a small
<v Speaker 10>role in the double or Nothing match between Chris Jericho
<v Speaker 10>and Adam Cole as an enforcer. But that was the
<v Speaker 10>last time we saw Sabou on national wrestling television. Right there,
<v Speaker 10>jet black turban with a white suit on. I kind
<v Speaker 10>of like the look.
<v Speaker 3>It looks great. Yeah, I just don't think of a
<v Speaker 3>crazy lunatic wearing match because one.
<v Speaker 10>Of the things his uncle always had going for him
<v Speaker 10>was he was supposed to be this rich chic.
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't.
<v Speaker 10>He wasn't just some disturbed guy from the Middle East
<v Speaker 10>to trying to kill people. He wasn't just you know,
<v Speaker 10>some raw, raw puppet of some regime we were at
<v Speaker 10>war with. He was supposed to be from basically royalty,
<v Speaker 10>and there was there was an element of him looking
<v Speaker 10>down his nose at Americans, not just despising them, but
<v Speaker 10>feeling superior to them and almost like forcing them to
<v Speaker 10>sit there while he did his Muslim prayers with the
<v Speaker 10>rug and everything, and that was kind of there was
<v Speaker 10>a streak of arrogance to the character as well as
<v Speaker 10>incredible danger, especially in the earliest days of the Sheikh's character.
<v Speaker 10>I think we did a connecting the spots, didn't we
<v Speaker 10>Where he was on a black and white television match. Yeah, yes,
<v Speaker 10>before he was stabbing people, before he discovered you know
<v Speaker 10>that red red equals green and pro wrestling and every
<v Speaker 10>match can just be guys stabbing each other in the
<v Speaker 10>head and you can keep printing money. When he was
<v Speaker 10>actually doing a lot more chain wrestling and amateur style wrestling.
<v Speaker 10>The gimmick was that he was just this like incredibly
<v Speaker 10>privileged chikh from Arabia who would just you know, who
<v Speaker 10>just came here because he enjoyed torturing Americans and fucking
<v Speaker 10>with them, not really any other reason.
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know.
<v Speaker 10>When I saw his nephew in the full suit, I
<v Speaker 10>was like, yeah, he never really that was never something
<v Speaker 10>about Saboo. He never tried to give the aura off
<v Speaker 10>that he was like of privilege, you know, that was
<v Speaker 10>never part of his character. Yeah, which I found to
<v Speaker 10>be interesting because it actually was a pretty key part
<v Speaker 10>of his uncle's presentation. So to see him in that
<v Speaker 10>suit in his last years was something in that regard.
<v Speaker 10>He was able to sit down with Saboo for the
<v Speaker 10>Dark Side of the Ring documentary crew, which just this
<v Speaker 10>a couple of months ago, aired their episode on the
<v Speaker 10>Sheic in His Life and Times, and it was poignant
<v Speaker 10>because why didn't you know that This recollection where Sabu
<v Speaker 10>gets emotional recalling the death of his uncle, his inspiration
<v Speaker 10>his tutor, aired the week that we lost Saboo.
<v Speaker 11>Wow, I went to Javan and he diagnized in the
<v Speaker 11>air and didn't the boy who said I'm sorry about
<v Speaker 11>your uncle, I thought, because he was sick, and Goldberg goes, sorry,
<v Speaker 11>here my drug.
<v Speaker 12>I said, wait a minute, you know I barely know you.
<v Speaker 6>Why didn't care about my uncle?
<v Speaker 11>He goes, well, he passed away last night, And I
<v Speaker 11>said what when he told me that, they said, Sabo,
<v Speaker 11>you gotta go get set.
<v Speaker 13>Up for the entrance.
<v Speaker 11>So it was a twenty minute ride around the Tokyo
<v Speaker 11>Dome and I'm talking to my answers. Yeah, he passed
<v Speaker 11>away last night. But you got to do your job,
<v Speaker 11>like you why you dress it? But you know, he
<v Speaker 11>was more than my father, more than anything he should.
<v Speaker 11>You know, he'd want you to do your job. You
<v Speaker 11>can't have a heartbreak, you know, affect your professionalism. So
<v Speaker 11>I stayed and did my match and then when I
<v Speaker 11>got home, I missed the funeral. But to me, funerals
<v Speaker 11>are just to show people who are still alive that
<v Speaker 11>you cared a person.
<v Speaker 3>That did know you cared.
<v Speaker 10>And far I passed away in two thousand and three
<v Speaker 10>and in two thousand and seven was inducted into the
<v Speaker 10>Hall of Fame. Where else but in Detroit. Boss we
<v Speaker 10>were there.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's rights she being inducted.
<v Speaker 10>But yeah, recalls in this book uh Alredy. Myself, I
<v Speaker 10>thought this was weird because my uncle always said that
<v Speaker 10>there was heat between him and McMahon. He thought it
<v Speaker 10>was weird that his uncle's being inducted, but he would
<v Speaker 10>never really say why. I know my uncle hated you, Vince,
<v Speaker 10>I said to him once, trying to figure out why
<v Speaker 10>he was considering putting him in the Hall of Fame
<v Speaker 10>in the first place. Hated me, Vince laughed.
<v Speaker 3>He didn't hate me. He practically baby sat for me.
<v Speaker 11>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Well, well, I mean there was the time that I
<v Speaker 3>did fornicate with them Joyce Joyce. Yes, you know we
<v Speaker 3>had our relations, and you know I I pumped her
<v Speaker 3>pretty full. Is that what he said?
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, that's that happens. And so these are things
<v Speaker 10>I'd invite you to take it from here. You'll see
<v Speaker 10>him saying hated me, He didn't hate me. He practically
<v Speaker 10>babysat for me.
<v Speaker 3>Hated me. He didn't hate me, practically babysat me. Baby's
<v Speaker 3>had for me. At the ceremony, Vince was backstage. He
<v Speaker 3>shook hands with us and saw that RVD had some papers.
<v Speaker 3>He was looking over to say for the introduction. Sure
<v Speaker 3>they weren't rolling the papers. Now, sabou, where's your speech?
<v Speaker 3>I got it right here, I said, pointing at my heart.
<v Speaker 3>You better have something good now, I really always this.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, now, I really want you to break away
<v Speaker 3>from your regular character for the introduction and actually talk
<v Speaker 3>quite a bit, because this way it'll be special for
<v Speaker 3>the fans. I really don't want to do that fence.
<v Speaker 3>I figured I could stand there and let RVD do
<v Speaker 3>mostly talking. Well, if you don't plan on giving a
<v Speaker 3>decent speech, you can either just stay in the back,
<v Speaker 3>or we'll cancel it all together.
<v Speaker 6>Now.
<v Speaker 3>And I'll tell you what. If you want to cancel it,
<v Speaker 3>I might as well just kill.
<v Speaker 7>You right now.
<v Speaker 3>I've got a gun. I can cancel you, Pal, We'll
<v Speaker 3>cancel you. Do you feel like getting canceled?
<v Speaker 10>Do you know I'm allowed to kill three people a
<v Speaker 10>year without any repercussions?
<v Speaker 3>You know that the federal government allows me to kill
<v Speaker 3>three people at random every year without any any sort
<v Speaker 3>of ratification. What do you say, Pal? Do you feel
<v Speaker 3>lucky or do you feel like you want to dance
<v Speaker 3>with the big mac. Let me tell you something. You've
<v Speaker 3>never really been homicidal now, I know my uncle would
<v Speaker 3>not have liked to have been in Vince McMahon's Hall
<v Speaker 3>of Fame. Yeah, that's why he's getting deducted exactly, and
<v Speaker 3>was probably rolling over in his grave at the very thought.
<v Speaker 3>But I also knew that he had family there and
<v Speaker 3>it was going to be a special moment for them. Therefore,
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want it canceled altogether. It would undoubtedly mean
<v Speaker 3>something to them and be horrible if it didn't happen.
<v Speaker 3>Rob gave a great speech, He went long enough, and
<v Speaker 3>when he was done, he turned it over to me
<v Speaker 3>for my turn. This is a great honor to my family,
<v Speaker 3>I said. That was it. It was essentially like a
<v Speaker 3>mic drop in the face of the WWE owner. My
<v Speaker 3>sense of humor always gets me in trouble and still
<v Speaker 3>does to this very day. I guess I'll never learn.
<v Speaker 3>When I went backstage, Vince was shaking his head, and
<v Speaker 3>once again, Vince wouldn't talk to me for a very
<v Speaker 3>long time after.
<v Speaker 10>That, keeping the silent gimmick as best intact as he could,
<v Speaker 10>even when taking the stage in honor of his uncle.
<v Speaker 10>But I'm sure in a lot of ways for Saboo
<v Speaker 10>that was the ultimate honor of his uncle was to
<v Speaker 10>not shed the character like that because Vince McMahon told
<v Speaker 10>him to, and the baby sat kind of thing kind
<v Speaker 10>of threw me, But I guess the idea and I
<v Speaker 10>think we've talked about this earlier in the tribute, was
<v Speaker 10>that during the period where Vince Senior was sick and
<v Speaker 10>knew he was going to hand the reins over to
<v Speaker 10>Vince Junior, he kind of assigned Chic to keep an
<v Speaker 10>eye on Vince and make sure that Vince Junior didn't
<v Speaker 10>do anything that was way out of advisement as a promoter.
<v Speaker 10>I'm not sure how he did that. It was remotely,
<v Speaker 10>of course. I mean, she wasn't n WWF at the
<v Speaker 10>time of that transition, but there was someone that Vincentnor
<v Speaker 10>trusted and made a lot of money with the Garden,
<v Speaker 10>you know. I mean, the Sheet came through that territory
<v Speaker 10>in Boston quite a bit, as we've talked about, if
<v Speaker 10>you listen to the Dark Side of the Ring unheard
<v Speaker 10>episode we did this season with Kevin Sullivan, who was
<v Speaker 10>of course from Boston. His most formative early wrestling memories
<v Speaker 10>was seeing the Sheik do his thing in Boston, and
<v Speaker 10>Sullivan talks about how right I remember that, how wild
<v Speaker 10>it was to see the Sheek come through and just
<v Speaker 10>break the pattern of what every wrestling show he used
<v Speaker 10>to go to as a kid used to look like,
<v Speaker 10>and he'd be able to predict what was going to
<v Speaker 10>happen and who was going to win, and he was
<v Speaker 10>hip to the fact that it was fake and it
<v Speaker 10>was kind of kind of disenchanting to him. And then
<v Speaker 10>suddenly the sheik shows up and I think it was
<v Speaker 10>spiros Arion and just tears through him one time and
<v Speaker 10>pins him. It's like, no one did that to spirous Arion.
<v Speaker 10>That was not in keeping with what you came to
<v Speaker 10>the Arenas to see the great baby face spiros Arion do.
<v Speaker 10>But they were pushing hard for Chic and Bruno knew
<v Speaker 10>how to do this too, bringing a big, monstrous heel
<v Speaker 10>and have him do something so impactful to a big name,
<v Speaker 10>if not to Bruno himself right out of the gate,
<v Speaker 10>that you actually could convince yourself that this could be
<v Speaker 10>the one that topples Bruno and I ate to be
<v Speaker 10>there to see if he can rise to this occasion.
<v Speaker 10>And she was following that New York playbook as well,
<v Speaker 10>so not someone that Evince Senior was unfamiliar with by
<v Speaker 10>any stretch of the imagination. And so Baby sat is
<v Speaker 10>in reference to that we mentioned earlier that after leaving
<v Speaker 10>ECW and not having that contract waiting for him at
<v Speaker 10>WCW as he imagined due to the gamesmanship, Seba went
<v Speaker 10>to XPW and for a brief period of time met
<v Speaker 10>his future a girlfriend, Melissa Coates, who who was even
<v Speaker 10>referenced there in that Pat Buck missive as a genie
<v Speaker 10>super Genie, which is the name of Gimmicks. She took
<v Speaker 10>on after travel with Sabo on the road as his
<v Speaker 10>manager partner, and she was, you know, she's trying to
<v Speaker 10>make a go of it in the rest of the business.
<v Speaker 10>She was a bodybuilder, fitness model type and I think
<v Speaker 10>she even got a developmental deal at one point with WWE,
<v Speaker 10>but eventually became known as the woman on Sabo's arm.
<v Speaker 10>On November twelve, twenty twenty, according to Wikipedia, a GoFundMe
<v Speaker 10>page was created on Melissa Coates's behalf because she was
<v Speaker 10>apparently experiencing scruciating pain in her left leg from the
<v Speaker 10>effects of covid OH, and she was admitted to a
<v Speaker 10>hospital in Las Vegas, where she and Sabo had moved.
<v Speaker 10>Doctors found several blood clots and had to do several
<v Speaker 10>procedures apparently to save her leg, but they found that
<v Speaker 10>the blood clots were spreading and were life threatening, and
<v Speaker 10>so they had to perform some life saving surgery and
<v Speaker 10>amputate her left leg above the knee Jesus, And due
<v Speaker 10>to this she incurred big time medical expenses and that's
<v Speaker 10>what led to the GoFundMe. She was out of work
<v Speaker 10>for a long period of time and passed away in
<v Speaker 10>her sleep on June twenty third, twenty twenty one, at
<v Speaker 10>the age of fifty two. So Sabu has lost his companion.
<v Speaker 10>You know, Sabu has lost somebody that in the twilight
<v Speaker 10>of his wrestling career, after all the opportunities to make
<v Speaker 10>the big money were now decidedly behind him. He would
<v Speaker 10>talk very glowingly as we re counted from his own book,
<v Speaker 10>which she published while she was still alive, about how
<v Speaker 10>much of a rock she was to him. And there
<v Speaker 10>are people like that, and that's the wrestling business to get.
<v Speaker 10>You know, you're not necessarily going to know how to
<v Speaker 10>manage your own affairs. And we see it with like
<v Speaker 10>a Paul Ell ring for example, like some of these
<v Speaker 10>guys like Downtown Bruno with sid they legitimately become people
<v Speaker 10>that keep these guys lives together so they can focus
<v Speaker 10>on being who they need to be in the ring
<v Speaker 10>and on the road even then, just not not have
<v Speaker 10>to think about, you know, anything that keeps the bank
<v Speaker 10>account current and all of that. And she did that
<v Speaker 10>for him and counts. When she passed away. Uh, he
<v Speaker 10>began his own downward spiral. I mean, there's really there's
<v Speaker 10>really no other way to put it. Paul London was
<v Speaker 10>a guest on Renee de Pray's podcast recently, and Paul keptain,
<v Speaker 10>according to the way he was talking about it, keptain
<v Speaker 10>fairly close touch with Sabou later in his career in life,
<v Speaker 10>and this was recorded on that podcast after the passing
<v Speaker 10>of Sabu, and I think says a lot here from
<v Speaker 10>Paul London.
<v Speaker 44>I did feel I don't know, like, did you feel
<v Speaker 44>that once she passed away? I feel like he got
<v Speaker 44>more closed off and he got he definitely, yeah, he
<v Speaker 44>definitely closed off a lot more like I feel like that.
<v Speaker 44>I feel like that really broke his heart, even I
<v Speaker 44>feel just from an observer's standpoint, you know, I mean, look, look,
<v Speaker 44>none of us are easy to get along with. I
<v Speaker 44>think at some point, like there's I think it's like
<v Speaker 44>anybody we have really good days and the bad days
<v Speaker 44>are can be really bad, you know, for anybody else
<v Speaker 44>that's around to witness that, and so I know that,
<v Speaker 44>you know, that was not that different of a relationship.
<v Speaker 44>But she seemed to really love him, and I know
<v Speaker 44>that he seemed to really love her too. So when
<v Speaker 44>she was doing the Jennie stuff as his valet, I
<v Speaker 44>thought that was really sweet because it was like, oh,
<v Speaker 44>this is really this would probably be really good for him.
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, And so it's actually I was.
<v Speaker 44>More surprised at her passing I hate Tidman than I
<v Speaker 44>that I have been at his.
<v Speaker 3>At sobering here right there. Wow, I hadn't mean a
<v Speaker 3>pun by sobering either.
<v Speaker 1>A last fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
<v Speaker 1>the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was. It was.
<v Speaker 10>He's not the only person to say this, he just
<v Speaker 10>said it. I think particularly well that Sabu was simply
<v Speaker 10>not the same and you just couldn't you couldn't access
<v Speaker 10>that kind of sparkly side of Saboo that so many
<v Speaker 10>people remember in the extreme Winnebago on the e CW
<v Speaker 10>road trips and just a guy that that was up
<v Speaker 10>for a good time in between breaking tables and ye
<v Speaker 10>spilling blood and doing insanity. He wrote in his book
<v Speaker 10>in his shout out section, shout outs to my wonderful Melissa,
<v Speaker 10>thank you for being in my life and keeping me
<v Speaker 10>sane like nobody else can do. You deserve all the
<v Speaker 10>respect in the world the price he paid. Let's take
<v Speaker 10>a look at this. This was posted by a chiropractor.
<v Speaker 10>I'm not sure exactly where, I think in the Nevada
<v Speaker 10>area where he lived, and it's kind of like a
<v Speaker 10>promotional video for this chiropractic office, but it was a
<v Speaker 10>place apparently that Sabu went in the very late stages
<v Speaker 10>of his career to get put back together again, to
<v Speaker 10>be able to keep working, to be able to keep
<v Speaker 10>toughing through. And I think, wow, this video really puts
<v Speaker 10>a fine point. You might recordering our Scott Hall tribute,
<v Speaker 10>we played just the sound of the crackle of Scott
<v Speaker 10>Hall's hips when he went to do the yoga with
<v Speaker 10>DDP yep after having so many years using painkillers to
<v Speaker 10>resolve the stiffness and the joints and the arthritis and
<v Speaker 10>just the overall strain on the body and the damage
<v Speaker 10>on the body. And how raw it sounded and felt.
<v Speaker 10>I remember Jake Roberts on that DDP Docum memory, just
<v Speaker 10>yelping in pain, simply bending over for some of these
<v Speaker 10>yoga exercises. And this is how Sabo too is to
<v Speaker 10>deal with it. And I think this is a nice
<v Speaker 10>sort of well, I don't want to see autopsy, but
<v Speaker 10>it's a nice sort of, you know, tour of what
<v Speaker 10>it all came down to, what resulted from all we
<v Speaker 10>we saw and demanded of Sabo.
<v Speaker 3>So if we can hit play. This is going to
<v Speaker 3>take a while and what will be descriptive here, but
<v Speaker 3>I think this really brings it home. Three two one
<v Speaker 3>play electric shock on his cat trying to lift his
<v Speaker 3>Today we were with it the extrame.
<v Speaker 6>He loves.
<v Speaker 15>Back in the with w W t n A be
<v Speaker 15>all over the world.
<v Speaker 3>Didn't even mention e c W right, God doesn't even probably.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the guy doesn't even know what w W
<v Speaker 3>A c W is.
<v Speaker 15>That's gonna really awesome for him.
<v Speaker 13>He got a bunch of stuff going on, He's got
<v Speaker 13>a book out right now.
<v Speaker 12>He doesn't care at the reel statue ETW dot com.
<v Speaker 15>There you go, real sat with ECW dot com. So
<v Speaker 15>go check that out. Look it up.
<v Speaker 35>We'll leave that in this section below. He's out on
<v Speaker 35>Twitter right now. He's got about eleven thousand followers.
<v Speaker 3>To make sure to go follow it, he would, it
<v Speaker 3>seems smirk. His Twitter is full of like inflammatory comments
<v Speaker 3>and like insensitive, like off color jokes. He's got so
<v Speaker 3>much trouble for his Twitter.
<v Speaker 10>Wow, he was like still tweeting like it was twenty
<v Speaker 10>oh seven and like twenty twenty one.
<v Speaker 3>You know, we'll put that in different world, man, different world.
<v Speaker 35>Get that actually, figure get that book as well. Go
<v Speaker 35>show them some all of a Instagram.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, can we finish this? Pleast?
<v Speaker 35>He's like it straight out yet, Well, look for a
<v Speaker 35>YouTube channel coming soon, so we'll.
<v Speaker 3>Help him get that miserable and miserable and roll ready,
<v Speaker 3>let's go.
<v Speaker 12>Nothing really bothers me that much other than him and
<v Speaker 12>my lower back.
<v Speaker 36>Him.
<v Speaker 12>Now, I need should to replacement too, but I can
<v Speaker 12>do that.
<v Speaker 15>And you just wrestled she was in eighteen nineteen, you
<v Speaker 15>did imagine months ago? Oh wow? Okay, and you were
<v Speaker 15>taxi partners is broadband dam for a long time?
<v Speaker 33>Right?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 15>Thin?
<v Speaker 35>These are both Vegas heights now, yes, get you loved
<v Speaker 35>here yeah, yeah, okay, So tell me about that.
<v Speaker 3>There's looking down at looking at this guy while.
<v Speaker 15>He's you know, it's worked, what hasn't? And then tell
<v Speaker 15>us about you know.
<v Speaker 10>Can you pause for a second. Yes, what do you
<v Speaker 10>what's your time code? I'm one fifty nine, all right, hip,
<v Speaker 10>I had surgery. Well, just tell the people what you're
<v Speaker 10>seeing in Sabo's countenance, in his face and his I mean.
<v Speaker 3>I just it's it's pain. Yeah, in so many, so
<v Speaker 3>many incarnations, not just physical pain. There is mental there's
<v Speaker 3>emotional pain, there's internal suffering. There just get me out
<v Speaker 3>of here. Yep. Vibes, there's like I don't, I don't,
<v Speaker 3>I like almost like I didn't sign up for this
<v Speaker 3>type thing, Like I didn't. Almost like he said yes
<v Speaker 3>to the video, probably got a little bit of a payday,
<v Speaker 3>but then in reality he didn't want to do it,
<v Speaker 3>and he wishes he could leave. You know, he's just
<v Speaker 3>wishes he wasn't susceptible to this kind of a bargain,
<v Speaker 3>you know, this kind of a bartering. Leathery skin absolutely
<v Speaker 3>just cracks all over his face. He's just you know,
<v Speaker 3>he's a shell. It's a play three two one play
<v Speaker 3>or the.
<v Speaker 15>Hip bothered me good.
<v Speaker 12>The lower back I fell down and uh never got better.
<v Speaker 11>About a year and a half ago, duj I recovered
<v Speaker 11>from my injuries quite well, that's when I can't recover.
<v Speaker 12>I haven't recovered that.
<v Speaker 15>So you have the hip surgery? Was that replaced?
<v Speaker 12>Is that what they did?
<v Speaker 3>Okay?
<v Speaker 15>So that's a lot better now you said, yeah, it's great, okay.
<v Speaker 35>And then the shoulder you haven't had any done, okay.
<v Speaker 35>And then neck what's slipped. The neck is just very stiff.
<v Speaker 12>That they don't bother me that much anymore than not
<v Speaker 12>not not not nearly is my back.
<v Speaker 15>It's mostly the back and he's back. Yeah, anything when
<v Speaker 15>you do that?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, where's a pack like bending over? Look a look
<v Speaker 3>at his calves.
<v Speaker 15>Going pretty good?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Hold right from there.
<v Speaker 15>But I want you to do is lean your upper body.
<v Speaker 3>Ship. I got a commercial, okay, let me know when
<v Speaker 3>it's done. Yeah, what's your time code?
<v Speaker 10>I am at two fifty four and you can find
<v Speaker 10>this online folks. Ecw legend Saboo gets extreme muscle therapy
<v Speaker 10>for back pain. That's the title of the video Doctor
<v Speaker 10>Bo high Towers account. So Sabo is now sitting on
<v Speaker 10>the exam table. This guy's kind of behind him with
<v Speaker 10>his thumbs in his lower back, and he's looking for
<v Speaker 10>sore spots.
<v Speaker 3>And I just invite you to listen.
<v Speaker 10>For yeah, you know the moments where Sabo groans because
<v Speaker 10>he's located the source of the pain that the business
<v Speaker 10>did to him.
<v Speaker 3>All right, me two to one play, go.
<v Speaker 15>Back to center and then I get back to the
<v Speaker 15>right and back to center. So tell me when that
<v Speaker 15>spot starts to fade away. It should take about thirty.
<v Speaker 12>Seconds or so, wouldn't it fades away?
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, So breathe through it in my friend, I.
<v Speaker 12>Feel like he's sticking any of the knife.
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, it's just my thumb. Sometimes we get eno thumb
<v Speaker 15>stuff around here. There we go, it's turn to fade.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think so it's teborn spot right there. I
<v Speaker 3>was used to it.
<v Speaker 12>I guess, yeah, it's actually fading.
<v Speaker 15>Took about forty five seconds. I guess I'll lied there
<v Speaker 15>a little more extreme my friend. Yay, I'm gonna do
<v Speaker 15>the same thing. Right there. Someone is bad or not
<v Speaker 15>really that bad. So how does the left side feel part.
<v Speaker 12>Of the right right now?
<v Speaker 13>They feel different?
<v Speaker 15>It feels pretty good, Actually, left that feels lucid. Yeah,
<v Speaker 15>by Josh Back. It's forth of my wedding. It's funny.
<v Speaker 15>Better that not too bad? What was your finishing move again?
<v Speaker 12>I got a few of them. Yeah it was a
<v Speaker 12>great view press. Oh that's right. Or a triple jump
<v Speaker 12>him ship doesn't know sho dropping to him to be funny.
<v Speaker 15>I'm a dark and then come on back up and
<v Speaker 15>then going back.
<v Speaker 3>The back can't feel back?
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, that's crazy gender there, yes, get right on that.
<v Speaker 11>Calms down and it feels better.
<v Speaker 13>How does that feel?
<v Speaker 3>Can't list his leg? Oh I don't know that.
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Kind of funny too, like a little bit this this
<v Speaker 3>doctor bow and it's like protogoc They're all just kind
<v Speaker 3>of like smiling and like, you know, this guy is
<v Speaker 3>get ready.
<v Speaker 15>So does your uncle get you into wrestling or you
<v Speaker 15>just wanted to because you watched him.
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to because I watched him and he got.
<v Speaker 7>Me into it.
<v Speaker 15>Okay, so he showed you the ropes to ship?
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, okay her less.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it feels better.
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, let's go better. I don't want to say him.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.
<v Speaker 15>You get just let it roll.
<v Speaker 3>The calf muscle watches Oh okay, grabbing.
<v Speaker 12>Okay too much that I try a different tools.
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, because sometimes like we'll work off a lot of
<v Speaker 15>these hamstrings, but sometimes.
<v Speaker 10>It's like a metal brass knuckle looking thing to need
<v Speaker 10>the muscle behind his knees squirm and he's grabbing his
<v Speaker 10>legs spot.
<v Speaker 12>Is that the worst spot for you? Yeah, pretty intense.
<v Speaker 3>I think we're getting his hands down like he's going
<v Speaker 3>to do a push up. That's how much he's feeling. Really,
<v Speaker 3>listen to the mill. This is kill me. No better, Wow,
<v Speaker 3>it's good work, way better.
<v Speaker 10>This isn't to impeach the work. It's just to show
<v Speaker 10>them before, you know, as much as the after.
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's not I'm not.
<v Speaker 7>I'm not.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure his work is great. I just I'm i
<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of one of the impression that Tao is
<v Speaker 3>a lost cause. Imagine how many times you have to
<v Speaker 3>do this a week?
<v Speaker 12>Does it make sense as we're going, oh, yeah, right,
<v Speaker 12>there's the worst Jesus.
<v Speaker 15>H Yeah, A good chance from you.
<v Speaker 12>From there.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, they're using that elect electric thing on his on
<v Speaker 10>his calf. I guess that stimulates, right, the muscle or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>The nerves.
<v Speaker 15>Type of shocks. Yeah, that quay for right. Let's tell
<v Speaker 15>you one there, say Ben Pard again, let's that goes?
<v Speaker 15>Where'd you go there?
<v Speaker 3>You can't even bend over. It takes a breath. It
<v Speaker 3>takes a breath. After he bends on it, he goes
<v Speaker 3>a little better.
<v Speaker 15>But it's those same spot I'll want to tell the.
<v Speaker 12>Morning right there.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, listen, Oh so much cracking like walnuts in a bag.
<v Speaker 15>So my name is Tyler.
<v Speaker 34>I'm the rehab technician over here at Alito SM and
<v Speaker 34>today I want to show this guy here the hamstring
<v Speaker 34>release so you can do that with the crossball or
<v Speaker 34>anything similar. So if baseball would work just fine, as
<v Speaker 34>long as it's pretty hard and about this size.
<v Speaker 22>Right.
<v Speaker 34>So what we're gonna do is we're gonna sit at
<v Speaker 34>the edge, just like what we're doing now. We're gonna
<v Speaker 34>take four fingers and place it behind my knee. Okay,
<v Speaker 34>wherever my pinky is where I'm gonna.
<v Speaker 15>Place the ball.
<v Speaker 34>The reason you use your hand to measure like that
<v Speaker 34>is because you have nerves and arteries back here, so
<v Speaker 34>you don't really want to hit those.
<v Speaker 15>So wherever your pinky is again.
<v Speaker 34>Just place it there. You're gonna sit up nice and
<v Speaker 34>tall and press it down on your leg. Okay, once
<v Speaker 34>you've done that, You're gonna curl in your neat the
<v Speaker 34>table and then extend as far as you can hold
<v Speaker 34>that for about two seconds one two, and then you'll relax.
<v Speaker 15>Repeat that about five times, and once you're done with that,
<v Speaker 15>move up to the middle.
<v Speaker 34>Do the same thing, okay, and then move up to
<v Speaker 34>the base of the glue where the hamstring inserts. Okay,
<v Speaker 34>so up high, same thing, press down an extend okay
<v Speaker 34>five times.
<v Speaker 15>Let's go and try that.
<v Speaker 12>The four fingers right.
<v Speaker 34>Four fingers where your pinky is place it there, awesome.
<v Speaker 34>To make sure you sit up straight and we're gonna press.
<v Speaker 13>It down on the leg.
<v Speaker 3>Can't set up straight?
<v Speaker 15>Perfect? Yeah, I'll try to do it nice and stuff.
<v Speaker 3>What it comes down to for Sabo look at it?
<v Speaker 12>All right?
<v Speaker 3>All right commercial again?
<v Speaker 10>Almost done anyway, as he's he's he's seated on the
<v Speaker 10>exam table and he's put a like a I don't know,
<v Speaker 10>ping pong ball, almost a big ping ping pong ball.
<v Speaker 3>Underneath his leg and crossball.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, we'll crossball you hat Terry Funk T shirt on too,
<v Speaker 10>by the way, that's pretty coolarious animated Terry Funk with
<v Speaker 10>his classic hat on backwards as well.
<v Speaker 6>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>What's your what's your time code? Thirty eight? I'm thirty eight. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>three two, one play?
<v Speaker 13>Anything's better than that.
<v Speaker 15>Trying to do both.
<v Speaker 35>You can move it around side to side, shoo if
<v Speaker 35>you feel like there's more knots in the middle of
<v Speaker 35>the outside or wherever.
<v Speaker 15>A right, good, relaxed on that perfect all right?
<v Speaker 34>Sorry, all right, So that was a hamstring release exercise.
<v Speaker 13>This is a lot better than a Look.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we's got to pretend to be.
<v Speaker 34>A roller in the back of the hamstrings here, and
<v Speaker 34>that really just doesn't get deep enough. So if you
<v Speaker 34>do want to roll out your hamstrings, I feel like
<v Speaker 34>the back of your legs are getting pretty tight. I
<v Speaker 34>would definitely go the lacrosse ball route. Again, it just
<v Speaker 34>has to be similar. So if baseball or something along
<v Speaker 34>those lines, Billward like.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you hear that crack.
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, let's let's make coming back at easier.
<v Speaker 13>Okay, Oh for grinding for sure.
<v Speaker 10>Look on the arm now, I can't even left him,
<v Speaker 10>can't do the finger point that he did so many years.
<v Speaker 12>Was a loser now, yeah, bothie does bother me.
<v Speaker 15>It's a little bit.
<v Speaker 12>It's actually I can come back breaking up nicely, all.
<v Speaker 23>Right, yeah, sorry, let's go down.
<v Speaker 3>Great.
<v Speaker 15>Is it gonna be sort for a day?
<v Speaker 6>Or you left?
<v Speaker 13>Sure?
<v Speaker 3>Taping his lower back now spraying something up?
<v Speaker 15>How does that take you?
<v Speaker 12>That was pretty good?
<v Speaker 7>Supported it.
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, it feels like a kind of bell do.
<v Speaker 15>That's what I like it for. You'll felt that she
<v Speaker 15>kind of holding your back.
<v Speaker 3>Sounds like I got a belt on. Never said that
<v Speaker 3>in his career very much.
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, yeah, all right, man, survive.
<v Speaker 3>One Jesus age Christ. So that's just a glimpse, you know,
<v Speaker 3>of the price he paid. I invite you to reconsider
<v Speaker 3>the picture we started this episode with as he sits there,
<v Speaker 3>just a state of he's done. He's done, He's done.
<v Speaker 10>There's nothing left as distant as he his eyes looked
<v Speaker 10>in that chiropractic office. You know, it's compounded times ten
<v Speaker 10>after this, this last match. And we're going to share
<v Speaker 10>in conclusion a piece that was published May twelfth, shortly
<v Speaker 10>after the death of Saboo and recollecting his final match,
<v Speaker 10>which took place only days before we learned of his passing.
<v Speaker 10>It's written by Phil Schneider, and it sent shockwaves through
<v Speaker 10>the business because because it contained a lot of details
<v Speaker 10>about what went on in the moments before Sabu took
<v Speaker 10>the ring for this final match. That just said a
<v Speaker 10>lot about the whole situation, honestly, the whole life and
<v Speaker 10>story and times of Saboo. It just seemed perversely poignant.
<v Speaker 10>He was the one of Sheikh's many nephews and he
<v Speaker 10>was badgering him to train him and get him into
<v Speaker 10>the business, and she kept saying no, no, no. He
<v Speaker 10>didn't want to do it. He just didn't think it
<v Speaker 10>would be a good life. But Terry, he was getting
<v Speaker 10>in a lot of trouble with the law, falling in
<v Speaker 10>with the wrong people, and the Sheik thought, well, maybe
<v Speaker 10>I could save him from this by getting him into
<v Speaker 10>the wrestling business. Brian Solomon, author of Blood and Fire,
<v Speaker 10>the unbelievable real life story of wrestling's original Sheikh. Wrestling
<v Speaker 10>was a special kind of saving grace for Terry brounk
<v Speaker 10>a ka Sabu, who died Sunday at the age of sixty.
<v Speaker 10>We later found out it was in fact the age
<v Speaker 10>of sixty one. He traveled all over the world, carving
<v Speaker 10>out a legendary career full of broken tables, wild bumps
<v Speaker 10>and blood. Sabou was a true independent spirit. He had
<v Speaker 10>short runs with both ww and WWF, but those stints
<v Speaker 10>never captured what made him special. To under see in Sabou,
<v Speaker 10>he needed to see him in an armory rock club,
<v Speaker 10>high school gym, or bingo hall, or watch him on
<v Speaker 10>a fourth generation videotape with distortion passed around like a
<v Speaker 10>hand me down. He was a gateway, a key which
<v Speaker 10>unlocked a completely different world of professional wrestling to the
<v Speaker 10>fan seeing him for the first time. Wrestling today is
<v Speaker 10>full of athletically impressive, dangerous moves. In many ways, Sabu
<v Speaker 10>was the originator of that crazy style, although onlike a
<v Speaker 10>lot of current wrestling, it wasn't effortless. Sabu always felt ragged.
<v Speaker 10>Everything he did felt dangerous because it felt like he
<v Speaker 10>might fall, felt like he might fail. It was always
<v Speaker 10>a tight rope walk over a pit of fire. When
<v Speaker 10>he started his career, Sabo's uncle, pro wrestling legend The Sheet,
<v Speaker 10>kept him bottled up, convinced that he needed to be
<v Speaker 10>conversant in the basics of the trade before unleashing him
<v Speaker 10>on the world. He wrestled as Terry SR. The SR
<v Speaker 10>was always a bit of a mystery, either standing for
<v Speaker 10>Sheikh's relative or Sheik's revenge, working a stripped down style
<v Speaker 10>which didn't resemble the whirling theatrics that would eventually make
<v Speaker 10>him a legend. The shift came in nineteen ninety one
<v Speaker 10>when the Sheik was contacted by at Shushio Nita, the
<v Speaker 10>president and top star of the Frontier Martial Arts wrestling
<v Speaker 10>promotion in Japan, to come over for a tour. The
<v Speaker 10>Sheikh was in his sixties and not very mobile, so
<v Speaker 10>he convinced FMW to let him bring over his nephew,
<v Speaker 10>take the bumps and do most of the work in
<v Speaker 10>the matches. They are on the plane over to Japan
<v Speaker 10>and he turns to Sabu. Solomon told Uncrowned, which is
<v Speaker 10>the website that published this piece, The Sheik said to him,
<v Speaker 10>I know all that crazy stuff you and Rob van
<v Speaker 10>Dam did in training that I would never.
<v Speaker 3>Let you do.
<v Speaker 10>I want you to cut loose, and that was the
<v Speaker 10>birth of Sabu. That and subsequent FMW tours put Sabo
<v Speaker 10>on the radar of independent promoters who saw the eccentric
<v Speaker 10>newcomer as an attraction, and Paul Hayman, who used Sabu
<v Speaker 10>was one of his top stars when he took over
<v Speaker 10>his booker of VCW. Sabu went on to headline ECW's
<v Speaker 10>first pay per view in nineteen ninety seven and be
<v Speaker 10>a large part of the promotion's entire run, with a
<v Speaker 10>couple of traditional Sabou no shows and promotional disagreements thrown
<v Speaker 10>in along the way. Truthfully, a large percentage of vcw's
<v Speaker 10>wildest moments involved him. Sabu, in many ways was the
<v Speaker 10>personification of the spirit of VCW. It was built on
<v Speaker 10>rebelling against the state and stodgy mainstream wrestling in the US,
<v Speaker 10>and Sabu was the ultimate uncontrollable rebel, ungovernable, and completely
<v Speaker 10>different than the big stars of WCW or the WWF.
<v Speaker 10>Post DCW, Sabu continued to be a traveling independent attraction
<v Speaker 10>and a big part of the ec double revival in
<v Speaker 10>the WWE. That hey day was thirty years ago. However,
<v Speaker 10>Sabu was sixty years old as pasted WrestleMania season, and
<v Speaker 10>not an easy sixty years of wild bumps and wild
<v Speaker 10>knights had taken the expected toll on his body. So
<v Speaker 10>when GCW announced that Sabou would be main eventing Joey
<v Speaker 10>Janella's Spring Break in a no rope barbed wire match
<v Speaker 10>in Las Vegas the night before WrestleMania forty one this
<v Speaker 10>past April. There was a natural skepticism among wrestling fans.
<v Speaker 10>Sabu had become famous for no showing bookings, including his
<v Speaker 10>own induction into the GCW Independent Hall of Fame a
<v Speaker 10>couple of years ago, and hadn't wrestled at all in
<v Speaker 10>several years. Of course, no showing was in the back
<v Speaker 10>of my mind. GCW promoter Brett Lauderdale told On Crown
<v Speaker 10>shortly after the event, but I felt like Sabo was
<v Speaker 10>genuine and one thing about Saboo I've come to learn
<v Speaker 10>over the years is behind all of the drama and silliness,
<v Speaker 10>Sabou has a lot of pride, and not only did
<v Speaker 10>he want to do it, but he wanted to give
<v Speaker 10>his best effort. Sabu's best effort is as wild of
<v Speaker 10>a high wire act as anyone in the history of
<v Speaker 10>professional wrestling, and it'd be hard to imagine that a
<v Speaker 10>sixty year old Saboo could deliver that kind of spectacle.
<v Speaker 10>He was so revered in the business for just not
<v Speaker 10>giving a shit about his body and doing anything any night.
<v Speaker 10>Fellow ecwicon the Sandman said, he broke his jaw in
<v Speaker 10>a match with me, the barber match with Terry Funk.
<v Speaker 10>He had his skin ripped open like an inch deep.
<v Speaker 10>And he tells Phonsie Saboo's manager, Billa Fonso, to go
<v Speaker 10>into the locker room and get some tape, and he
<v Speaker 10>just tapes up his arm.
<v Speaker 3>That's a beast.
<v Speaker 10>That was the impossible standard Sabu aspired to live up to,
<v Speaker 10>and Lauderdale was fully aware of what Sabu meant to
<v Speaker 10>the fans coming to the show. I talked to Sabou
<v Speaker 10>a couple of days before the match, and he was
<v Speaker 10>telling me my knee hurts and this and that, Lauderdale said,
<v Speaker 10>and I said, listen, Saboo, everybody knows you're hurting. Twenty
<v Speaker 10>something years older than the last time you did this.
<v Speaker 10>People's expectations are realistic. No one is expecting this to
<v Speaker 10>be born to be wired the magetary Funk. And he
<v Speaker 10>said to me, good, because it is going to be
<v Speaker 10>better than that.
<v Speaker 7>Oh.
<v Speaker 10>Predictably, the night of the April eighteenth show was chaotic.
<v Speaker 10>Nothing was going to be easy with Sabo. I was
<v Speaker 10>fairly confident that he was fine. Sabo's opponent Joey Janella
<v Speaker 10>told on Crown several days after the event. I was
<v Speaker 10>kept in contact with him, and he has a team
<v Speaker 10>of people around him.
<v Speaker 3>Guys.
<v Speaker 10>This time, they were all saying he was ready to go,
<v Speaker 10>that he was going to the gym, that he was
<v Speaker 10>on a training program. I believe them until the day
<v Speaker 10>of the show. Then two hours before I get a call,
<v Speaker 10>Sabu can't walk. Oh my god, I said, listen, Saboo,
<v Speaker 10>everybody knows you're hurting. Oh no, I'm sorry, that's a
<v Speaker 10>repeat of the ford a former quote. What do you mean,
<v Speaker 10>Sabou can't walk? They said, yeah, Saboo something with his knee.
<v Speaker 10>They're locked up. He can't walk and his feet are bleeding.
<v Speaker 10>What the fuck he's not coming. Sabo's not coming, I said,
<v Speaker 10>Saboo's fucked. So we talked to Matt Tremont and Indie Wrestler,
<v Speaker 10>and Tremont is about to be the replacement for the match,
<v Speaker 10>and I feel like this is going to be the
<v Speaker 10>most embarrassing moment of my wrestling career. There's two thousand
<v Speaker 10>people here. This is one of the biggest spring breaks ever,
<v Speaker 10>the biggest crowd Mania weekend Indie wise, and I'm gonna
<v Speaker 10>have to go out there and announce that Saboo once
<v Speaker 10>again no showed. Had no showed his own retirement match.
<v Speaker 10>Lauderdale was less concerned. In the back of my mind,
<v Speaker 10>I knew Sabo was coming, he said, I never once worried.
<v Speaker 10>If we didn't hear from Sabo, then I would be worried.
<v Speaker 10>But the fact that he was communicating, I knew that
<v Speaker 10>he was coming. We're an hour into the show, and
<v Speaker 10>I said, just get Saboo here, Janella continued. So they
<v Speaker 10>gave him something called kratom. Can buy it at a
<v Speaker 10>smoke shop or something. It's like a legal opiate or something.
<v Speaker 10>Oh my god, they said, he's hopping on the bed,
<v Speaker 10>he's hopping off the bed, and we're going to get
<v Speaker 10>him to the show. So he shows up two hours
<v Speaker 10>into the show. Sabo was on a different fucking planet.
<v Speaker 10>Everyone in the backstage was like, what the fuck is
<v Speaker 10>this match going to happen? And my god, did it happen.
<v Speaker 10>I'm going to watch the match. Okay, we're gonna watch
<v Speaker 10>the match. Moments out of the match, Saboo went for
<v Speaker 10>his signature ere Sabou dive off of a chair. Miss
<v Speaker 10>Janella and went chest first into a barbed wire strands
<v Speaker 10>with his head, landing and sticking in a giant, creative
<v Speaker 10>barbed wire. It was an immediate sign to the audience
<v Speaker 10>this wasn't going to be a nostalgia match, that Sabu
<v Speaker 10>was going to go out on his own terms. Then
<v Speaker 10>minutes later, Sabou got whipped into a barbwire board which
<v Speaker 10>was resting on the barbwire ropes, and flipped backward out
<v Speaker 10>of the ring, landing in a heap. He was definitely
<v Speaker 10>out cold.
<v Speaker 3>He was done.
<v Speaker 10>Janella said. They were telling me there was no way.
<v Speaker 10>The refs were communicating to me that there's no way
<v Speaker 10>he's continuing this match, Like holy shit, that is one
<v Speaker 10>time you want the barbed wire to stop you. He
<v Speaker 10>just blew right through it. And then the Sandman came
<v Speaker 10>out and that was all Sabu needed. Then the resurrection happened.
<v Speaker 10>Jesus resurrected two days later. The Anniversary couldn't fucking believe it, dude.
<v Speaker 10>He was ready to go again. I guess that concussion
<v Speaker 10>knocked him back in a nineteen ninety six or something,
<v Speaker 10>I don't know. Sabu came back and they ran through
<v Speaker 10>several more sequences, including Janella taking some big bumps of
<v Speaker 10>his own until he was finally pinned by Sabu. Sabou
<v Speaker 10>went out on top of the final wrestling matric just
<v Speaker 10>because how ridiculous it was. If you were one of
<v Speaker 10>the wrestlers or in one of the staff in the
<v Speaker 10>locker room that night, you knew the panic and my
<v Speaker 10>fucking eyes, Danellis said. And to see that get pulled
<v Speaker 10>off and the crowd to be on their feet, I mean,
<v Speaker 10>it's like fucking dancing through raindrops and not getting wet.
<v Speaker 10>Is it very rare professional wrestling or in life to
<v Speaker 10>get the end you deserve. Most careers don't end with
<v Speaker 10>Kobe scoring six points or staying selling out the Greensboro Coliseum.
<v Speaker 10>Most times this end is sad Patrick Ewing averaging six
<v Speaker 10>points a game, or in Underlander Magic jerseyer Rick Flair
<v Speaker 10>nearly dying in the ring Apron. Sabu's last match before
<v Speaker 10>this was in twenty twenty one against someone named Mister
<v Speaker 10>California and Stanton California for promotion called Extreme World Wrestling
<v Speaker 10>in a garage in front of maybe one hundred people.
<v Speaker 10>That is normally how a legend goes out with a whimper,
<v Speaker 10>but instead, for one last night, the most insane iconic
<v Speaker 10>wrestler of his generation was Saboo again with all that entails,
<v Speaker 10>the chaos, the danger, the disregard for humanity, everything that
<v Speaker 10>happened in that Yeah, you must say it, must say it.
<v Speaker 3>Like that's like, this is this is the problem. You're
<v Speaker 3>celebrating a guy for doing something that he clearly should
<v Speaker 3>not be doing anymore. I mean.
<v Speaker 10>Because it feels punk, because it feels like he didn't
<v Speaker 10>sell out.
<v Speaker 21>This is.
<v Speaker 3>This is the thing. I just don't I like, honestly,
<v Speaker 3>I got no pride for him doing this. I think
<v Speaker 3>he's a fucking idiot. I think Flair was a fucking idiot.
<v Speaker 3>Like this match killed him, all right, It just took
<v Speaker 3>a couple of days before it to happen. That's it.
<v Speaker 3>This match killed him. He's going out there doing the
<v Speaker 3>shit that he did in ninety six, ninety seven.
<v Speaker 6>This is it.
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna watch him die.
<v Speaker 10>Everything that happened in that match happened for a reason.
<v Speaker 10>Janella told our crowd on Sunday, I'm just happy GCW
<v Speaker 10>gad in the platform in front of a sold out
<v Speaker 10>house to have that moment and be Saboo for one
<v Speaker 10>last time. He's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time,
<v Speaker 10>one of the greatest innovators of all time. I'm just
<v Speaker 10>glad we were able to get it off. Regardless of
<v Speaker 10>the circumstances and the conditions that day, he just made
<v Speaker 10>it happen. And I know he was happy, and I'm happy,
<v Speaker 10>the fans were happy, his friends were happy, and I'm
<v Speaker 10>just glad we gave him this one last chance to
<v Speaker 10>shine in the spotlight.
<v Speaker 3>This is the sickness right here.
<v Speaker 5>This is it.
<v Speaker 3>This is the sickness. This is where you again. This
<v Speaker 3>business doesn't allow you to evolve, doesn't allow you to move.
<v Speaker 10>On, doesn't allow you to have a plan when what
<v Speaker 10>you did to yourself to become a star is no
<v Speaker 10>longer anywhere close to advisable for your personal.
<v Speaker 3>You're You're you can't move on from this.
<v Speaker 10>Well, we'll find if you watch this or The most
<v Speaker 10>punishing moments are miscues. The most punishing moments aren't Sabo
<v Speaker 10>trying to execute a move. It's something going awry and
<v Speaker 10>Saboo taking a tumble that he didn't intend to take,
<v Speaker 10>which is very poetic and fitting for Sabu.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that.
<v Speaker 10>Finally it was the in betweens that caught up to him.
<v Speaker 10>Finally it was the missed spots instead of the ones
<v Speaker 10>we always thought would kill him, the successful ones, the
<v Speaker 10>ones where he took flight and crashed spectacularly by design.
<v Speaker 10>But it was the more prosaic. He can't stand up anymore.
<v Speaker 10>He doesn't have coordination anymore.
<v Speaker 3>He can't.
<v Speaker 10>He can't be left to his own devices in an
<v Speaker 10>environment like this anymore because he's not going to be
<v Speaker 10>able to understand where to stop. I mentioned Credim. Have
<v Speaker 10>you heard of creatim before?
<v Speaker 21>No?
<v Speaker 10>This is a big talking point after this, because the
<v Speaker 10>article left the impression of a lot of people's minds
<v Speaker 10>that somehow this drug took him from a place where
<v Speaker 10>no one thought he should be wrestling to all of
<v Speaker 10>a sudden, put them in the ring. Put them in
<v Speaker 10>the ring. It looks great, looks fine. And Credim is
<v Speaker 10>something that's been a very controversial drug. And you know
<v Speaker 10>the government has thought to put it on Schedule ones,
<v Speaker 10>and there have been politicians that have taken up the
<v Speaker 10>cause to ban it. You can find it mostly in
<v Speaker 10>head shops. It's not illegal. It's kind of like a
<v Speaker 10>it's kind of a cousin of the coffee plant. It's
<v Speaker 10>natural and it has a lot of the properties that
<v Speaker 10>bind to the opioid receptors to relieve people who are
<v Speaker 10>hooked on painkillers, opioid painkillers, you know, and of course
<v Speaker 10>that always leads to heroin use, and so for a
<v Speaker 10>lot of people that have developed those dependencies over the years,
<v Speaker 10>and certainly in the United States, it's been just a
<v Speaker 10>staggering amount of people. There have been documentaries and books
<v Speaker 10>and lawsuits and congressional hearings and so much about this,
<v Speaker 10>the opioid epidemic in this country, and of course it's
<v Speaker 10>a global phenomenon. But eventually, you know, something called the
<v Speaker 10>lock zone was created, which is like a nardcan spray,
<v Speaker 10>you can put up your nose in the throes of
<v Speaker 10>an overdose to save people. And so that the numbers
<v Speaker 10>have started to look a lot better in terms of
<v Speaker 10>how many people actually overdose and die from this stuff
<v Speaker 10>because of some drugs that have been created to reduce
<v Speaker 10>the lethality of opiate use, and Creative is kind of
<v Speaker 10>among them. Rob van Dam is a creative user, and
<v Speaker 10>he went on his podcast after all of this article
<v Speaker 10>came out and all this Hooplus started about you know,
<v Speaker 10>they drugged Saboo until he was in a position to
<v Speaker 10>kill himself, you know, in the ring, and to prove
<v Speaker 10>some kind of a point that it's not addictive. He
<v Speaker 10>took like thirty handfuls of it on his podcast. I mean,
<v Speaker 10>I'm exaggerating, but he ate so many kreatim because he
<v Speaker 10>wanted to make the point that it's not heroin. It's
<v Speaker 10>not a drug that'll numb the pain such that you
<v Speaker 10>get high. Yeah, well that's they think. The people that
<v Speaker 10>are addicted to cretum think that that's such a redeeming
<v Speaker 10>thing about it is that you don't get you don't
<v Speaker 10>get high in a way where you look fucked up
<v Speaker 10>or you can't talk, or you're slurring or your numb.
<v Speaker 10>That isn't what it does. And you know, Mike Bell,
<v Speaker 10>who did the Bigger, Stronger, Faster documentary and did a
<v Speaker 10>lot of other good documentaries as well, eventually found himself
<v Speaker 10>in a place mostly after all the injuries he had
<v Speaker 10>suffered trying to be a bodybuilder, Which is the real
<v Speaker 10>problem with bodybuilding. It's not just the psychological torture it
<v Speaker 10>puts you through, but it destroys your joints to lift
<v Speaker 10>weights like that. Fuck, it just kills you, and you
<v Speaker 10>have to shut the pain out so that you don't
<v Speaker 10>lose gains. And the roids become not just a way
<v Speaker 10>to supersize your strength, but to recover so much faster
<v Speaker 10>as you can work out so much more than someone
<v Speaker 10>who would have to stop because they're an intense pain.
<v Speaker 10>And so it goes and goes and goes, and then
<v Speaker 10>when you stop working out, the pain still there, and
<v Speaker 10>then you take painkillers and then eventually you end up
<v Speaker 10>in a very difficult spot.
<v Speaker 3>And that's happened to many wrestlers as well as bodybuilders.
<v Speaker 10>And so he did a documentary about Credom because he
<v Speaker 10>started to hear about it and he wanted to do
<v Speaker 10>a documentary about like, well, it seems like it's got
<v Speaker 10>a ton of you know, unknowns about it, and it
<v Speaker 10>does you know, there's no FDA dosing recommendations, So it's
<v Speaker 10>not like a typical prescription drug in that you know,
<v Speaker 10>you take this many this amount of time and you'll
<v Speaker 10>be relatively okay, you know, even though if you take
<v Speaker 10>too much of it you can be in trouble. This
<v Speaker 10>isn't something where someone's going to die in their chair
<v Speaker 10>of a creative overdose. So I'm sure you can find examples,
<v Speaker 10>just like you can find that with steroids, but it
<v Speaker 10>is something well. I think the most telling point in
<v Speaker 10>the documentary is he finds this creative bar in California somewhere.
<v Speaker 10>It's a place where you can go and have credim
<v Speaker 10>put into juices and you know, hang out and drink
<v Speaker 10>create them because Apparentlytalm it's like a like a big
<v Speaker 10>herbal remedy and like Malaysia and it has like like
<v Speaker 10>all these things do. Oh, it's a thousand year history
<v Speaker 10>in other parts of the world, man, you know that
<v Speaker 10>whole thing. Yeah, yeah, And my mom has been doing
<v Speaker 10>creative for one hundred and fifty years exactly.
<v Speaker 3>She's not dead, So what about that?
<v Speaker 10>But I thought what was most interesting is Mike Bell
<v Speaker 10>goes around and interviews people that were at the bar
<v Speaker 10>that day, and they are just a lot of them
<v Speaker 10>used to be Heroin addicts or that she cotton addicts,
<v Speaker 10>and they're they're cool, they're measured, they feel great, they're
<v Speaker 10>not doing that anymore. This stuff is helping them tremendously.
<v Speaker 10>But they asked one girl at the bar, how often
<v Speaker 10>do you come here?
<v Speaker 3>She said? Every day? That's right. Every day can't be
<v Speaker 3>good if you need it every day? Yep, perhaps is
<v Speaker 3>more to learn. Well, I'm sorry you need water every day.
<v Speaker 3>What's the difference. What's the difference you need food every day?
<v Speaker 3>What's the difference. You're saying that I'm addicted to water,
<v Speaker 3>saying that I'm addicted to eating. Say I'm addicted to bleeding.
<v Speaker 3>I ain't got time to bleed.
<v Speaker 10>Sabo did one last time GCW Wrestle Media Weekend, and
<v Speaker 10>here we go.
<v Speaker 3>Do you have it? I have? I don't downloaded? All right,
<v Speaker 3>so do I?
<v Speaker 10>I just h there's the link in there. Here we go,
<v Speaker 10>ladies and gentlemen, goodbye to Saboo. Three two one, play
<v Speaker 10>the barbier the old ECW clips pointing to the heavens.
<v Speaker 3>This is Saboo.
<v Speaker 10>Tossing tables in the ring in Japan as a youngster
<v Speaker 10>hand ab elector mask in the earliest days of ECW
<v Speaker 10>being held down by nine to one one in New Japan,
<v Speaker 10>pointing skyward, FMW scars soaring through the open air arena,
<v Speaker 10>bar byer.
<v Speaker 3>Wwe ECW jumping off the raw sign Wow, putting seen
<v Speaker 3>it through a table, putting Mikey Ripbreck and Johnny Grunn
<v Speaker 3>through a table and sandman and clearing the ropes in
<v Speaker 3>FMW and close oning Terry Funk to oblivion, dting ramon
<v Speaker 3>stereo at the second One Night Stand pay per view.
<v Speaker 10>All manner of Risks, Dives, crashes and burns now Heat
<v Speaker 10>Waved ninety eight with RBDS championed FMW Indie Small and
<v Speaker 10>Large and in a suit in the GCW ring the
<v Speaker 10>final match Saboo versus Joey Janilla. What a lotty ways.
<v Speaker 10>It's kind of like an indie king.
<v Speaker 2>Versus Sabo Surrogate spring Break nine.
<v Speaker 3>Spring Break is like a big indie thing during wrestling
<v Speaker 3>their weekend.
<v Speaker 6>Las Vegas.
<v Speaker 10>Look at the wire, Look at it everywhere They built
<v Speaker 10>a bed of barbed wire and flywood at RINGSI come on,
<v Speaker 10>you see we.
<v Speaker 45>Put this bob wire up.
<v Speaker 4>This is more than the main thing.
<v Speaker 10>Hey, we're gonna have us there for the collective before COVID.
<v Speaker 10>Remember that? What was that they were going to have
<v Speaker 10>us there for the GCW collective before COVID.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that's right, I forgot about that. Would
<v Speaker 3>we have seen this? Probably? Oh a lot of people
<v Speaker 3>who went to Wrestleminly of this year.
<v Speaker 39>Went to this break the bad Boy Joey Chanella putting.
<v Speaker 24>His own body on the line after recovering from a
<v Speaker 24>poor fine Let's put an asteric next to.
<v Speaker 17>The word recovering.
<v Speaker 8>He prais did Joey Vanilla?
<v Speaker 2>He said, oh, he's not right now.
<v Speaker 3>Where it COVID mask.
<v Speaker 10>No way he was going to mis speaking of not
<v Speaker 10>one hundred percent his opponent tonight Sabo. Now remember all
<v Speaker 10>that backstory from that article that we read is the
<v Speaker 10>bad Boy.
<v Speaker 2>So not one hundred percent.
<v Speaker 10>All on the line from Hunted by Phil Schneider. They
<v Speaker 10>did what it took, and it looked like, you know,
<v Speaker 10>he now showed his induction into their own Hall of Fame,
<v Speaker 10>and then he's gonna, know, show the actual final matching.
<v Speaker 3>So what about a It's classic like, you don't even
<v Speaker 3>know what you're gonna if you're even gonna get Sabo
<v Speaker 3>into less the last second, you know, and until he
<v Speaker 3>gets out in the ring. Even in WWE, he.
<v Speaker 10>Would tell them he's gonna do something and then go
<v Speaker 10>out and do whatever the fuck you wanted, as demonstrated
<v Speaker 10>throughout the course of this tribute series here on t
<v Speaker 10>L f Joey Janella takes the ring, which again the
<v Speaker 10>ropes have been replaced with wire and the ring side
<v Speaker 10>populated by plenty of wire pearl at the Palms in
<v Speaker 10>Las Vegas, a long time former UFC fight venue, retrofitted
<v Speaker 10>for pretend fighting, although it was all too real on
<v Speaker 10>this night.
<v Speaker 3>Just yeah, h is he even gonna come out? That's
<v Speaker 3>out right? M hm hm hm.
<v Speaker 7>Hmmm ding king king ing ing.
<v Speaker 16>Ing ing ing.
<v Speaker 36>Ing.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, he's limping. He's a mess.
<v Speaker 45>Around the nineties and continuing through with the current h
<v Speaker 45>dependent rush.
<v Speaker 3>The fingers skyward is it'll stretching in the white suit.
<v Speaker 2>An independent wrestling show Purple Turbin on the mid nineties.
<v Speaker 19>Was on it oftentimes in the main event.
<v Speaker 3>You can't fucking walk down. He cannot walk down, and
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna do ship that he shouldn't be doing.
<v Speaker 2>The necessary sacrifices.
<v Speaker 3>No, no, they're not necessary sacrifices.
<v Speaker 10>Unnecessary sacrifices. That's what you meant by that? Would there
<v Speaker 10>be you know, necessary unnecessary?
<v Speaker 3>They mean the same thing. Yeah, I guess that's true.
<v Speaker 25>Huh, absolutely, Joy, none of us would be here if
<v Speaker 25>not for Sabo.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, wrestling is one of those jobs where you really,
<v Speaker 3>no one really thinks about when they get older. They
<v Speaker 3>just think about where they are, you know, when they're
<v Speaker 3>in their prime, and they don't think about what all
<v Speaker 3>this ship is going to do to them later on,
<v Speaker 3>Like no one seems ever planned for that.
<v Speaker 2>No, check it out the perimeter here.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I tell yourself.
<v Speaker 10>Part of my market value is I don't the same
<v Speaker 10>thing's not gonna happen to me when.
<v Speaker 3>I take the risks. Happens everybody, it's correct, trusted for
<v Speaker 3>the occasion is Saboo. But is it better to have
<v Speaker 3>never moon salted at all?
<v Speaker 39>Let's go to Mlje main of the evening.
<v Speaker 10>Maybe he'd be alive, if that counts for anything. Sabo
<v Speaker 10>is in a men x state. He's just talking to
<v Speaker 10>so many people. It's like he has things to say
<v Speaker 10>to everyone. At ringside, he's looking around like somebody who
<v Speaker 10>is overwhelming.
<v Speaker 3>Put his name on the barbed wire. He's touching his
<v Speaker 3>knee and his shoulder. I don't know what I mean.
<v Speaker 3>He's his fucking break cafe there like that. You know
<v Speaker 3>what he's doing? I mean, is it? Is it fake?
<v Speaker 3>Barbed wire?
<v Speaker 10>Keeps gesturing to his knee and he's insisting on getting
<v Speaker 10>something across to the ring announcer Joey Janella, he's acting
<v Speaker 10>very he's yeah, he's uncharacteristic. He's not standing there waiting
<v Speaker 10>to strike and pointing at the ceiling.
<v Speaker 3>You know, New Jersey.
<v Speaker 5>With an official weight off two hundred pounds.
<v Speaker 2>He is bad boy.
<v Speaker 3>I've heard this guy's name. I don't really know him though,
<v Speaker 3>this Janella.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, he's like a big indie entrepreneur kind of guy.
<v Speaker 10>Was in a w for a little while. Okay, but
<v Speaker 10>he's he's kind of a lone wolf. He's like, it's
<v Speaker 10>like Saboo. Really, it's fitting that he would have this
<v Speaker 10>kind of reverence for Saboo and put all this keep
<v Speaker 10>all this significance on wrestling him.
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, world, who's.
<v Speaker 3>The goof ring announcer? I forget his name? Yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>think you should. I think most people should.
<v Speaker 10>What he took the mic instead apologize and then Janella
<v Speaker 10>hits him from behind as he strikes the pose we're underway.
<v Speaker 3>What did he say? What's he doing taking the stomps?
<v Speaker 3>Vendamn noticed, Oh he don't even look at it. He's
<v Speaker 3>not even connecting with those stomps. Because he knows if
<v Speaker 3>he fucking connects, is going to break in half at
<v Speaker 3>the bad shoulder. Taboo fighting back with overhand rights kind
<v Speaker 3>of a clothes line. Oh geez.
<v Speaker 10>The first thing noticed was how bloated Saboo looked, and
<v Speaker 10>it's true, like, look at his head. It looks so
<v Speaker 10>much bigger than.
<v Speaker 3>Actually, you know what's kind of funny, his upper torso
<v Speaker 3>kind of looks like Hogan's. You know, it's got a
<v Speaker 3>very similar similar shape.
<v Speaker 10>Was to whip Janella into the wire. Janella puts the
<v Speaker 10>brakes on, Saboo ducks the line. Let's look at that leg.
<v Speaker 10>You can't even stan man, he can't fucking I mean. Also,
<v Speaker 10>he's wrestling in a suit. By the way, well, he
<v Speaker 10>probably hates the way he looks about it, keeps talking
<v Speaker 10>to the raft.
<v Speaker 3>His head looks so big, yep, looks like fucking treat.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah he does ice lock now by sounding dropped down,
<v Speaker 3>rolling through fundamentals front face lock absolutely himself from trying
<v Speaker 3>to push Chanella into the.
<v Speaker 10>Wire like those FMF days, reverse wet. Taboo hits the wire,
<v Speaker 10>ducks his head under.
<v Speaker 46>It ended up a little tangled in that.
<v Speaker 2>Let's to stop on suit jacket. That's gonna be a
<v Speaker 2>protective layer.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, he usually doesn't have anything and by way of
<v Speaker 10>a shirt or his stomach, like how distended it is.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, they can, but that barbed wire is gonna cut
<v Speaker 2>right through the fabric.
<v Speaker 3>Fellow strikes now throwing rights.
<v Speaker 46>Competitors Joey again taking control.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're right, he is really pulling those punches big time. Really,
<v Speaker 3>the soft touch on Sabo, I mean barely barely even
<v Speaker 3>hitting them.
<v Speaker 24>Both of these men have been in their fair share
<v Speaker 24>of wars during their careers, with the escalated violence.
<v Speaker 3>Half hearted sucking up Saboo and then he can't love
<v Speaker 3>you know, And again this is the problem with the
<v Speaker 3>wrestling fan as well, because you can't help. But I
<v Speaker 3>think you're gonna see the restler that you knew before.
<v Speaker 3>You're pretty much sitting on your hands until you get
<v Speaker 3>it intrigued.
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, if it's Sabo's retirement, if this is his last.
<v Speaker 3>Short clothesline, what what does he have to lose? You
<v Speaker 3>don't have to answer to that question.
<v Speaker 46>Yeah, right down there with that clothes line.
<v Speaker 25>He doesn't need to stay healthy for a next match.
<v Speaker 2>I mean he could take Joey Janella down.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he does looks like he's.
<v Speaker 46>Going into his boot bike once again.
<v Speaker 3>To know that doing what it takes to draw money.
<v Speaker 2>As if the barbed wire wasn't enough to.
<v Speaker 3>Invite you to interpret what I meant by that spike.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, weapons, that.
<v Speaker 3>Usually means we'll hear the whistle. Oh Jesus Christ, it's
<v Speaker 3>gonna be a nostalgia parade here at the spring break.
<v Speaker 3>And there is Alfonso.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, we heard the whistle and we knew
<v Speaker 2>what that meant right down the middle.
<v Speaker 3>Daddy, Really, he gets a holy ship.
<v Speaker 2>Chad Spike.
<v Speaker 3>Digging in with a spike. Now, well, whip the wire,
<v Speaker 3>puts the brakes on.
<v Speaker 2>We're meeting the barbed wire.
<v Speaker 3>Chair tossed Alfonse. J There is that bob odenkirk off.
<v Speaker 3>The no, you can't do this, you can't. He didn't
<v Speaker 3>do it. He moved out of the way and sabur lunch.
<v Speaker 3>She can't do this, he can't do this. Thing was
<v Speaker 3>a chair, all's head, the head of Joey. Wait, he's
<v Speaker 3>folding the chair out again.
<v Speaker 2>That's up the chair once again.
<v Speaker 3>He's folding the chair out again. This is so stupid.
<v Speaker 2>Off the chair, Oh for fuck?
<v Speaker 46>Oh no, no, no, on that side.
<v Speaker 2>Oh why why, why?
<v Speaker 3>Why?
<v Speaker 7>Why?
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Stop chating like this is a Oh Jesus, Joey.
<v Speaker 46>A bloody mess. At this point in Saboo trying.
<v Speaker 10>To free he went headfirst into a web of barbed wire.
<v Speaker 10>And it didn't look like it happened on purpose.
<v Speaker 11>No, no, it did not.
<v Speaker 3>Was going to hold him, which also is idiotic. Look
<v Speaker 3>at him, he's a mess. He's got barbed wire, oh
<v Speaker 3>my god.
<v Speaker 46>Jacket as well as wrapped around his body.
<v Speaker 10>It's just like focused on getting the barbed wire off,
<v Speaker 10>and it looks like Janelle is trying to help him
<v Speaker 10>in that effort, as opposed to.
<v Speaker 25>Joey his jacket jacket off because it's stuffed in Saboo's body,
<v Speaker 25>as is the barbed wire.
<v Speaker 3>Still it's turning to it like can I take it
<v Speaker 3>off me? But oh, he just ripped it off his
<v Speaker 3>back like there was a pole there.
<v Speaker 10>Look at the smash up as the remnants of the
<v Speaker 10>jacket still being dragged across the canvas because it's caught
<v Speaker 10>on barbed wire.
<v Speaker 2>The flesh of the competitor gets on his knees.
<v Speaker 3>Look at him, he's bladed. Oh my god, I don't
<v Speaker 3>think he bladed though killing he's wiping the blood. He
<v Speaker 3>just he's in his own head, you know, he's not
<v Speaker 3>really in the match. Here we go, oh so.
<v Speaker 2>Much momentum went crashing to the floor hard.
<v Speaker 24>That is straight up concrete on this floor, and the
<v Speaker 24>referees checking on the condition of Saboo.
<v Speaker 3>What did we see, boss, they're count on you got
<v Speaker 3>whipped Janella whipped him into the into his board. Hit
<v Speaker 3>the splatter of blood on the poll. Watch this. He
<v Speaker 3>gets whipped into the board and it gives away.
<v Speaker 29>He can't.
<v Speaker 3>He goes through the barbed wire opes and he lands
<v Speaker 3>hard on the concrete floor and had just a fucking
<v Speaker 3>on his head.
<v Speaker 10>And there are people surrounding his body right now in
<v Speaker 10>a panic because I don't think he was supposed to
<v Speaker 10>fall that way. And now he's got other people coming
<v Speaker 10>in obviously as a to save the dacre. Yeah, baby,
<v Speaker 10>Alfonso's in the ring moving some wire around, trying to
<v Speaker 10>create a spot where he begs off.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Jesus Christ, they can't even punch Bill Alfonso. No, no,
<v Speaker 3>don't do this to him, for.
<v Speaker 10>He takes a bump into the bar bire board, takes
<v Speaker 10>a death valley driver.
<v Speaker 3>I mean We don't even see him right now. This
<v Speaker 3>is bad. Lights go out, Lights go out in Vegas?
<v Speaker 3>Where the tom?
<v Speaker 2>Like us, what where is he?
<v Speaker 7>You know what that means?
<v Speaker 8>Man of Scott?
<v Speaker 3>The Sandman is in g c W. Yeah, where there
<v Speaker 3>is is that him? Know, we're waiting.
<v Speaker 10>We haven't the spotlight, we don't have the Sandman yet.
<v Speaker 10>He's probably got a gun panicked about fucking what happened
<v Speaker 10>to saburb there's the chant and there's the Sandman?
<v Speaker 4>What's the salmon.
<v Speaker 3>Who likes to do cameos from his sun room?
<v Speaker 4>A JP's extreme past.
<v Speaker 10>There's That's all I'm worried about right now.
<v Speaker 3>Is he alive?
<v Speaker 30>Like?
<v Speaker 35>Where is he?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? They're lucky they had all smoking mirrors.
<v Speaker 10>Now they're lucky they had this slotted in because it
<v Speaker 10>gives them time to tend to save.
<v Speaker 29>His hair.
<v Speaker 10>I mean he went Sabo went head over heels out
<v Speaker 10>of the ring with no safety net. With all those
<v Speaker 10>shoulder problems and all the the problems, the skeletal problems
<v Speaker 10>we saw in that chiropractor video. I can't think of
<v Speaker 10>a less advisable fall for him to take.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah back and the ring Janella still get double teamed
<v Speaker 3>the Sandman cracks open a few with the crowd. Here
<v Speaker 3>the pearls poems still the crown.
<v Speaker 25>They got myself a wail for everyone.
<v Speaker 3>What the fuck is he got?
<v Speaker 10>His head is little small wooden almok like toothpick things
<v Speaker 10>under their head. Now you haven't seen that before. No
<v Speaker 10>one cares, no one's paying any attention. Sabo's standing. You
<v Speaker 10>can see him at ringside. He just he's talking to people.
<v Speaker 10>He's talking to Phonsie.
<v Speaker 2>He's we should know brothers.
<v Speaker 7>There.
<v Speaker 3>There is something so dark and perverted about this crowd
<v Speaker 3>at the sandman makes his way that they're that they're celebrating,
<v Speaker 3>these middle aged to elderly men doing what they did
<v Speaker 3>when they were young.
<v Speaker 8>Takes his time.
<v Speaker 3>He's got you if they're impervious to pain and damage.
<v Speaker 31>Singapore cane in the hands. I'm a sandman making his
<v Speaker 31>way all.
<v Speaker 4>Around the Pearl theater here at the pole.
<v Speaker 3>All right, what the fuck is going on here?
<v Speaker 2>Celebrating?
<v Speaker 3>He's just walking around. I mean so true. It's like
<v Speaker 3>Hall Coogan's TNA Titan tron right, just walking the whole time,
<v Speaker 3>is walking and like nothing like the.
<v Speaker 5>I mean.
<v Speaker 4>On his feet.
<v Speaker 10>Okay, all right, punching from the floor, Jesus collapse into
<v Speaker 10>the camera.
<v Speaker 3>Man, what the hell was that?
<v Speaker 10>They're going right back to sand Man? He is, because
<v Speaker 10>you know they're pushing on Sabo. You got to get
<v Speaker 10>the finishing seat points in.
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I left hip in mind.
<v Speaker 7>They started out in.
<v Speaker 3>The one on one retarding now that a commentator sounds
<v Speaker 3>like she's drunk.
<v Speaker 2>The coker is making their present going after both shows.
<v Speaker 5>What is he doing? I mean, what is he doing.
<v Speaker 3>He's not helping Sabo at all. He's not helping Janella.
<v Speaker 3>He's just kind of walking around like a clown.
<v Speaker 2>Theater.
<v Speaker 3>There he goes. He found his way through the crowd.
<v Speaker 3>Now he's looking for the way in at him like
<v Speaker 3>belly beer, belly is fucking such a nightmare in this guy.
<v Speaker 3>Oh look at Jesus christ. I mean he looks like
<v Speaker 3>he did back in the you know, ninety six, except
<v Speaker 3>fucking you can't walk. He looks like, oh dude, why
<v Speaker 3>don't get in a ring? He's his weight? Look at
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, the belly.
<v Speaker 10>Is Sandman Saday just stand there in the bottom and
<v Speaker 10>left corner. And if you thought he see w died
<v Speaker 10>in a bankruptcy court in two thousand and one. Well,
<v Speaker 10>you can suck my fucking dick. Okay, is this what
<v Speaker 10>you mean, Paul by Its still being alive? Right, sand
<v Speaker 10>is still standing around. The other wrestlers are standing there
<v Speaker 10>trying to pretende.
<v Speaker 3>Standing there like I mean he's doing Sam is doing
<v Speaker 3>his version of of the fucking Hogan ears basically, you know,
<v Speaker 3>he's spinning around with his hands up in the air
<v Speaker 3>and it comes the cane barely swings it. Oh he
<v Speaker 3>one hand. I mean he doesn't do ship. Look at
<v Speaker 3>him covers christ Remember he reminds me of Piper when
<v Speaker 3>he came at h Remember when he had like that incredibly.
<v Speaker 10>Massive belly stand in with child here, Yeah, exactly, was
<v Speaker 10>pointing alongside. He's supposed to be doing, acting out at
<v Speaker 10>people around him. Sab does not know where he is
<v Speaker 10>turning around. They're they're chanting for him.
<v Speaker 2>My bloody mass. But he's back on his feet, just.
<v Speaker 3>Walking back and forth in the store. Takes out someone
<v Speaker 3>took out sand Man. Saboo gets in the room up
<v Speaker 3>behind Janella.
<v Speaker 2>Kicks him Chaos.
<v Speaker 3>He rows him out through the board, and that's how
<v Speaker 3>it's supposed to happen. This guy is in no shape.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, looking at his bad and Janella is
<v Speaker 3>proud of this. He's proud that he that this man
<v Speaker 3>was reliving some fucking bullshit. I mean, looking his back
<v Speaker 3>is like it's been two doors, all that work done
<v Speaker 3>by the chiropractor.
<v Speaker 2>Floor ruined break not only not only being set.
<v Speaker 3>Through, he's given somebody a high five. I don't understand
<v Speaker 3>what's going on to concrete just walking around to.
<v Speaker 2>Both sab and now Janella as well.
<v Speaker 10>Agree he's in like a dissociative state, you know the stipulation.
<v Speaker 10>He's like in a dissociative state and he's not here.
<v Speaker 10>Then all of a sudd he snaps into it and
<v Speaker 10>realizes he is here.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and command he regrets it got his body. Look
<v Speaker 3>at his back, how cut up it is his age.
<v Speaker 2>Bring a handshake to Janella.
<v Speaker 39>Nope, oh Jesus wiper Web goes Joey Janella.
<v Speaker 3>He's just screaming, yeah, see that's that's uh, that's when
<v Speaker 3>you do it for faith, please don't so you do
<v Speaker 3>it for real, like Saboo, You're you're horrified, you're gonna die.
<v Speaker 2>That was the chair in his head launched at him
<v Speaker 2>by Sabo.
<v Speaker 3>His head is like absurdly big right now, God, it's
<v Speaker 3>hard to look at Sambo like.
<v Speaker 2>This, haaunting him, offering the hand.
<v Speaker 3>He's just so. He just looks like he's in a
<v Speaker 3>different state, like rigor mortis. He just looks Yep, tosses
<v Speaker 3>that aside.
<v Speaker 2>Joa has freed himself from the barbed wire.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, he is crawling back into the thinking if someone
<v Speaker 10>tried to draw Saboo and did a shitty job.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, keeps talkies, talkies. He's talking.
<v Speaker 10>He wants Joey to do something, and Joey isn't doing it.
<v Speaker 10>He's looking around, he's pointing, and he's gonna send him
<v Speaker 10>out reverse.
<v Speaker 46>Nope, that other side of barbed wire.
<v Speaker 3>Is he doing?
<v Speaker 2>Who's gonna meet the barbed wire on that side of
<v Speaker 2>the ring?
<v Speaker 3>Offers a handshake, and he's supposed to be storytelling. I
<v Speaker 3>have no idea this is how it's.
<v Speaker 10>Supposed to end for I guess, so slugging it out
<v Speaker 10>in the middle of the ring, no one having any.
<v Speaker 3>Clue what the fuck is going on? Like people filming
<v Speaker 3>this like it's something special. That grabs the chair said,
<v Speaker 3>he's got the chair on the battle duel? Who cares
<v Speaker 3>the winner? The winner? You're just you're watching a guy die.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. They're throwing the chair, hugging and he
<v Speaker 3>hugs him.
<v Speaker 2>They are tearing one another.
<v Speaker 3>There a gash on his back. Joey keeps punching him down.
<v Speaker 2>They have a lot of respect for one another.
<v Speaker 19>Yea, we swear it's there.
<v Speaker 2>The head collapses, but they're continuing to fight. Joey Janella,
<v Speaker 2>he's on it.
<v Speaker 3>Taboo finds his way to his feet, jabs the chair.
<v Speaker 2>Of steel chair, him on it, on the steel chair.
<v Speaker 3>That's a.
<v Speaker 10>Sabby doing the bicep hold and the fingers, the finger
<v Speaker 10>twiggle wiggle even I'm sure there's some legitimacy at this time.
<v Speaker 3>The crowd here, No, it's not. It's a disgrace. It's
<v Speaker 3>in that flute, fucking travesty.
<v Speaker 4>Win, lose or draw.
<v Speaker 2>This is the final match of a living legend. Saboo
<v Speaker 2>in the ring one last time, just Janella repeatedly.
<v Speaker 3>Arabian Facebuster kills him.
<v Speaker 2>Arabian Facebuster on his knees.
<v Speaker 3>Puts his hands out like is that enough? Will that do? No, Saboo,
<v Speaker 3>it's never enough, you know that rolls over for cover.
<v Speaker 3>That's it.
<v Speaker 4>Ramst Wow.
<v Speaker 39>Saboo scores the victory here in your main events, winner
<v Speaker 39>of the.
<v Speaker 45>Masoo, the homicidal, suicidal, senocidal Saboo is your victor.
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ, that's wrong. What are you mark? That was awesome?
<v Speaker 3>If you don't see if you don't think that's awesome,
<v Speaker 3>then you're a hater. Then I'm a hater. What you
<v Speaker 3>call them at the beginning called I'm a fucking idiot.
<v Speaker 10>No, that's not what I saw there. Come on, be fair,
<v Speaker 10>I saw a legend. Why does the business have to
<v Speaker 10>do this to people? Why does the business?
<v Speaker 3>Because it's not they don't, They don't. The thing is
<v Speaker 3>it does it does? The business does see it coming,
<v Speaker 3>and that's part of the business knows. The business doesn't care,
<v Speaker 3>not enough, not in the ways they count.
<v Speaker 10>Ultimately, apparently, so I sent you a YouTube blank, let's
<v Speaker 10>click this. This is yeah, highlights of what we just saw.
<v Speaker 10>I will remember Sabu's last foray in the ring, but
<v Speaker 10>also a little bit of extra footage that wasn't included
<v Speaker 10>in what we just watched. Three two one play.
<v Speaker 24>Take Joey Janella down with it him and Saboo looks
<v Speaker 24>like he's going into his boot spike once again.
<v Speaker 3>And in the true spirit of Saboo highlight forms. Bring
<v Speaker 3>that spike into the highlights.
<v Speaker 46>Here Mike has a weapon as well, and not a second.
<v Speaker 4>The whistle hellol Foughtso he looks like a stage.
<v Speaker 3>Like chair in hand, like he's Tony Montana. Yeah, he
<v Speaker 3>does with a suit. In the early going, the.
<v Speaker 24>Head of Joey Janella sets up the chair once again.
<v Speaker 3>You ready again?
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, into the barbed wire.
<v Speaker 19>He goes Janway barbed wire net on.
<v Speaker 24>That side of the ring as well, between the ring posts,
<v Speaker 24>looking to s Saboo into it.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, fuck my life.
<v Speaker 10>He lands like a corpse. Yes he does, except what
<v Speaker 10>happens to him there.
<v Speaker 24>To the floor hard Atticus and Otis Kocher making the
<v Speaker 24>word at the ring side now skewers.
<v Speaker 19>In the hand of Atticus.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they're coming out here to do some damage on
<v Speaker 2>behalf of Saboo.
<v Speaker 46>Is now Atticus attacking Fonsie.
<v Speaker 7>Oh no, Fonsi through.
<v Speaker 2>The fourth wire part in the corner. Courtesy of Aticus Coger.
<v Speaker 2>Oh and the lights have gone out.
<v Speaker 3>You want to see this again home on the people.
<v Speaker 3>That's the highlight version.
<v Speaker 10>It makes it seem like he's just in time, right
<v Speaker 10>because in many ways the story of Saboo's legend.
<v Speaker 3>He's an editing job that made everything.
<v Speaker 39>Only it was down across the back kiss Coger standing
<v Speaker 39>across the ring from the sad Man using that canu aticus.
<v Speaker 2>Now it's turned into chaos.
<v Speaker 3>Here, oh ja, here's the finish with Janella taking his
<v Speaker 3>wire bars.
<v Speaker 2>Yours by Saboo.
<v Speaker 25>Nope, bar wire spider web goes Joey Janella, us, Oh
<v Speaker 25>my god, agony, Sharon Janella repeatedly Jesus Christ.
<v Speaker 2>Saboo turns him over cover.
<v Speaker 45>Three.
<v Speaker 39>Postmatch, Saboo scores the victory, listening here in your main events.
<v Speaker 4>You showed up unlike you showed up to the GCW.
<v Speaker 30>Independent Wrestling Hall of Fame last year in Philadelphia. But
<v Speaker 30>we're gonna redeem ourselves right now, Taboo, this is your
<v Speaker 30>platform last year.
<v Speaker 3>Look at his head. I got a commercial?
<v Speaker 21>Is that?
<v Speaker 10>That's at the end of the big embrace after receiving
<v Speaker 10>a plaque for being in the for the Independent Wrestling
<v Speaker 10>Hall of Fame induction ceremony that he didn't even come to.
<v Speaker 3>What about all the plaque in his brain? Anyone concerned
<v Speaker 3>about that? Final thoughts on the state of the man.
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's just it always comes to this. It
<v Speaker 3>always comes to just a sad like, pathetic human being.
<v Speaker 3>And I say that not to make fun of, not
<v Speaker 3>to demean him, but just because world where it didn't
<v Speaker 3>come to this, yeah, like I would get it twisted.
<v Speaker 3>I would love to live in a world where a
<v Speaker 3>guy like him, who yes innovator, a guy who who
<v Speaker 3>changed the wrestling game for better or worse, if he
<v Speaker 3>is able to say, you know what I'm done, I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna move on like like like most professional athletes do.
<v Speaker 3>Most professional athletes they know when it's time to quit.
<v Speaker 3>This where the business quits for them. Yeah, but either
<v Speaker 3>way they stop.
<v Speaker 10>The teams will stop drafting you exactly, and wrestling, the
<v Speaker 10>team's never stopped drafting you.
<v Speaker 3>That's that's that's the problem is that there's always another
<v Speaker 3>payday trading for you or whatever the case is. And
<v Speaker 3>and it hurts to see so many guys end up
<v Speaker 3>like this. Maybe he was suicidal all those years just
<v Speaker 3>to a maybe a long long tail way. The obituary
<v Speaker 3>reads and loving memory of Terry Michael Bronk Saboo December twelfth,
<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty three to May eleventh, twenty twenty five, with
<v Speaker 3>the deep sadness, we announced the passing of Terry Michael Brounk,
<v Speaker 3>known to many as Sabou, on May eleventh, twenty twenty five.
<v Speaker 3>A fierce spirit with an unmatched presence, Terry's life is
<v Speaker 3>one of resilien's passion and impact. Born December twelfth, nineteen
<v Speaker 3>sixty three, Terry built a legacy that will endure in
<v Speaker 3>the hearts of those who loved him. His dedication, strength,
<v Speaker 3>and unwavering commitment to his craft and loved ones made
<v Speaker 3>him an unforgettable figure. He shared his life with the
<v Speaker 3>love of his heart, Melissa Coates, whose bond with him
<v Speaker 3>was immeasurable. Terry is survived by his brothers Richard Brounk,
<v Speaker 3>Christopher Kelly Bronk, and John Mitchell Brounk of Lansing, Michigan,
<v Speaker 3>as well as his sisters Desiree, Neil Simon and Paulina J. Rodriguez.
<v Speaker 3>He also leaves behind his cherished nieces and nephews, Moses
<v Speaker 3>Raven Sonny, Joseph, Rachel, Nicky, Alexandria, c. J LaTavia, Jerry,
<v Speaker 3>and Tawny, of whom he loved dearly. He now joins
<v Speaker 3>his beloved mother Genevieve Farhat Brunk, his sister Kelly Felsky,
<v Speaker 3>his brother Shane Brunk, his niece Desire Rosner, his uncle
<v Speaker 3>Edward Farhat, known to the world as the Sheikh, who
<v Speaker 3>preceded him. In passing beyond his family, Terry leaves behind
<v Speaker 3>a legion of devoted fans who admired his fearless spirit, dedication,
<v Speaker 3>and innovation. His contributions to the wrestling world shaped generations,
<v Speaker 3>earning him the respect and admiration of those who cheered
<v Speaker 3>him throughout his career. His passion was not just for
<v Speaker 3>the sport. It was for the people who supported him.
<v Speaker 3>Fueled by their unwavering enthusiasm and love, Terry's strength, determination,
<v Speaker 3>and larger than life spirit left a lasting imprint on
<v Speaker 3>all who knew him. His presence will be profoundly missed,
<v Speaker 3>but his legacy will continue to inspire and resonate forever.
<v Speaker 3>We'll see you next time on that fucking Castsman.
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