#332- The Truth About Hiding Guns at Home (Most People Get This Wrong)

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Hiding a gun in your nightstand feels safe until the wrong person finds it, but if it is
locked away in a basement, it is completely useless during a break-in or other emergency.

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Today we will show you exactly how to stage your firearms so they stay secure yet
instantly accessible the moment you need them.

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Welcome to the Guns Podcast US, one of the world's biggest gun talk programs.

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Thanks for joining us as we talk about everything interesting in the world of shooting.

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I'm your host Brent Wheat and in today's episode we are tackling the practical realities
of staging firearms in your home.

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Roy and I will discuss the balance between keeping your guns locked away from unauthorized
hands and keeping them accessible enough

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to actually protect your family while also diving into vehicle security, muscle memory
under stress, and why keeping a gun on your body might be the best option.

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Now, let's get down to business.

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Well hello there Roy, how are you today?

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Raring to go.

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Well I am too, I've had a good day all day and went to a meeting that I thought was going
to be painful and nobody got thrown out or argued.

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It's been a good day all the way around.

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The topic today is something that came out of a conversation I had over the past weekend.

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We were talking about where we stage guns in our house and I've got a buddy and

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At one point, it almost turned into a kind of a one up, a friendly one up.

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But uh it's something that's always intrigued me because I've always been interested in
hearing where people stage firearms in their home.

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And I thought, you know, we've never talked about that.

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We've we've touched on it.

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Yeah, I keep a gun here.

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I like to put a gun there.

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But I thought today the entire topic we're going to talk about that.

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I'm sure we'll probably get into a story or two.

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But uh before we get started, of course, disclaimer.

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If you have small people around or irresponsible people, know, many of the things we're
going to talk about are not safe or prudent.

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So you have to be smart enough.

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Again, in my case, I've got an laminated sheet checklist that has, uh it says check guns
and has all the locations and that's on the inside of the toy box that the kids always go

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to, the grandkids when they show up.

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So safety is paramount.

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uh

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But for those folks who are in a position where they do want to have firearms readily
available, we're going to talk about that today.

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So that was kind of long Roy, but I've got to laugh.

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And when it comes to guns staged, you may be the king.

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You've pretty much got them every place.

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you're for walk.

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Where do you want a gun in your house, Roy?

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Well, you know, it's interesting.

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I think it's for me, it's two different categories.

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I think if you're someone who does not carry a gun at home.

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In other words, if you don't have one on you or in your pocket, then you probably should
stage some guns around the house for defensive purposes.

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uh I would like to say though, that if you're more than a second or two seconds away from
your gun, you're too far.

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Yeah.

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mean, because it's like, bang, it's happening.

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So if you're more than a step or two to your gun, so in some situations that would mean
you'd have to have guns pretty much staged everywhere.

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And to me, why not just stick one in your pocket?

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And in my case is that I do have some gunstaged around the house, but the almost all of
them are because we get unannounced varmints and critters.

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And it's like right now, yeah.

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mean, right now I'm chasing a couple of coyotes who have been shown up on the game camera
all the time.

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You know, so, so I have my coyote gun staged by the back door.

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Uh, it's getting to be close to fawn season here, you know, and, uh, we have a lot of deer
on our property.

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And so, you know, we like to try to keep the coyote herd down.

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Uh, you know, I've got a couple of 22 rifles, you know, and, that kind of stuff, but like
I said, those are mostly for fun.

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They'll keep the squirrel population down and stuff like that.

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My honest defensive guns.

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would be in my pocket or on my body.

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But having said that, I guess if you're living in town and your wife doesn't want you to
carry a gun on you all the time, sorry ladies, or maybe your husband doesn't want you to

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carry a gun on you all the time, then the reality of where do you stage a gun comes up.

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To me, it's always been fascinating and I'm blessed to have enough firearms that I can
have them scattered throughout my living arrangement.

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And I will say though, Roy, that since, as we talked about last time, now that I have a 38
that lives in my pocket, 24-7 almost, I still keep my guns scattered about.

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just, it's that two is one, one is none.

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And I figure it's not hurting anything.

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It was funny, the kids were coming over for Easter or something.

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And the day after, we actually had our Easter on Saturday.

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On Easter Sunday, my wife's like, where's the shotgun and such and such?

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And I'm like, I put it away.

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I locked it away to be safe, but we'll get that back.

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that was the first time she ever mentioned that.

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I thought that was interesting that I've got one of those little short shotguns that are
legal and it is hanging very close to the front door.

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And uh it,

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Again, I've got, you know, if something happens at the front door, it's likely going to
happen fast.

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If you've ever had the occasion to kick a door or see it kicked in, it doesn't take very
long, but at least I've got a heavier firepower within a couple of steps of the door.

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And apparently my wife likes it being there.

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I thought that was interesting.

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That's really true.

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I will say that I do have a stage gun and that's the standard bedside table gun that comes
out of a drawer.

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you know, at nighttime.

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So, uh, but, but, know, because I have a couple of racks of guns, you know, there is an
eight 70 there, which I normally use for chasing raccoons at nighttime, but it could

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certainly do double duty.

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You know, I, I would, I would caution people that, uh, you, you need to train though, if
you're going to do that, because, uh, I mean, it's, it's happened to me here, you know, I,

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I got a new 22 rifle not too long ago and I, I put it somewhere that I don't normally
stage a 22 rifle, you know, and, and then when I saw the gray squirrel, think it was, I

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had a second or more than that.

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had like five seconds and I was going like, where is that?

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Now, what did I do with that gun?

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You know?

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so what, yeah, so I would caution you that if you have a gun in the kitchen cabinet and a
gun in the, behind the seat of your easy chair and a gun over here and a gun over there

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and a gun over there, that's okay.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

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And uh especially if you have to engage somebody at your front door, then you make a, you
know, tactical retreat to the bedroom, to your second gun.

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Or as Clint Smith says,

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His hand gun is to fight your way to your rifle that you should never put down to begin
with, you know?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Which is true.

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But what I've, what I found though, is that if, if something happens, cause it's happened
to me before, is you go, Whoa, there's something there or there's something going on.

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I need a gun.

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And then there's this little, little dance you do in your brain about, okay, where's the
gun?

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know?

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Yeah.

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And then if you're right here, do I go for the kitchen gun?

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Or do I go for the easy chair gun?

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You know?

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So, so it's easy just to get smug because you say, I'm going to stage these guns around my
house and stuff.

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But trust me when the pink elephant steps in the front door.

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I mean, unless this is something you do.

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Remember we talked about play what if.

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unless you've been playing what if, what if all the time, like I'm walking down the
hallway and suddenly something's happening.

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Where, Which gun would I go to you know unless you play that what's gonna happen is you're
gonna have brain freeze and it's like uh The kitchen I'll go to the kitchen gun right it's

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already too late.

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Yeah Well, I mean that was a great point that I hadn't thought about but I have done that
with every single gun that I have I've got one near my easy chair and I thought okay

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If, if a happens, what am I going to do?

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I'm going to do this.

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I'm going to go there, go to another gun.

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And I've kind of war game that through.

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I've got the, uh, the gun near the front door, because again, I'm within a few steps of
the front door.

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Am I going to have time to even get it?

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Um, so I've kind of worked that through that.

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If I do have time to get it, here's what I want to do.

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And part of that is the whole positioning and, know, just standing there, illuminate
backlit with your gun.

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That just makes you a target.

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So you got to think that through.

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And I've also talked to my beloved wife who does not necessarily carry her gun very often,
uh but she likes the idea of having them scattered in different places.

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So we've kind of talked about that.

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If this happens, you go here and get this gun and be ready to do whatever needs to be
done.

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So anyway, it's not just putting a gun there.

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And I would say that's probably the biggest problem.

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that I've identified is when you talk to guys and we've both seen this from cop being cops
is what I've got gun here and here and here.

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Well, you know, so, you know, I've got a piano, but I don't play it.

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So that doesn't make me a musician.

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But uh anyway, all those caveats uh apply and don't just put a gun there and think now I'm
safe.

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I'm ready to protect.

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uh So that's the uh mental gymnastics you need to go through, play the what if kind of war
game these scenarios.

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But let's go ahead and talk about uh some of the places that we've seen, we've heard.

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We're not saying we've done any of this.

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We're not saying we didn't do any of this, but uh I'm just always fascinated to hear the
inventiveness of how people stage firearms.

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So uh I'll just kind of go through a list, Roy, and let me point out one thing before we
get down there.

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I don't think you were totally enthusiastic about this uh topic, but the more we talk,
it's like,

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but you've got a gun here and here and here.

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So you've got, you've got a lot of staged and I know they're verve varmints, but, um, I
think it's one of those things you don't think about is, you know, Roy Huntington

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tactical, uh, for against all it's just, that's kind of what you do.

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I thought that was somewhat entertaining.

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In my mind, those aren't my defensive guns.

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So, so if something happens, I don't, I don't

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think, I'm going to run over there and get that gun.

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If something happens here, I reach in my pocket.

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You know, mean, that is what I do and how I train.

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So, but yeah, you're, yeah, there is, everybody has that.

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And I think, I think cops are the same way.

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remember one time and we'll go over your list, but I remember one time they changed the
way the shotgun lock was in the police cars.

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Yeah.

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So we had mechanical locks.

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I don't know if they had them when you were on the police department.

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So you had your eight 70 mounted vertically, usually in the passenger side.

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Uh, and it, it had a clamp that sort of wrapped around it and ours had a push button, a
brass push button lock.

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And so if you got out of the car, you would push the lock and that would lock the shotgun
in the car.

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And when you got back in the car, at least what I did was I had a separate shotgun lock
key on my, on a clip.

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And so I would reach over and unlock.

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unlock it, right?

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And leave the key in it.

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And so if you need the shotgun, you just reach over and kind of hold it, push the button
with your thumb.

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It flips open and the shotgun comes out.

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Well, they changed it and they went to an electronic lock.

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Which had a hidden button, right?

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Which none of us could remember.

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oh That's a problem.

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I mean, it's like,

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oh, it's a felony hot stop and we're covering somebody and you would reach up to the
shotgun to push the unlock button to get the shotgun out and it's not there.

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From personal experience, there's just like panic filled three seconds while your brain
catches up to what's going on and then you go, oh wait, it's the button down here.

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Then you reach underneath the dashboard or wherever we put it.

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But no, and so those are cops who do it every day, you know, and there was still that
little befuddlement.

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wasn't just me.

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talked to, I mean, we all had that problem when we made the transition.

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so that goes a little bit toward what we're talking about.

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Did you guys have the lock?

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looked like a vending machine lock.

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It had the round key and, and it just took forever.

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Yeah.

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And then we went to the hidden.

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Yeah, we had a regular, a regular little like a locker key, you know?

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Yeah.

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And you're right though, they transitioned to the round blocks, you know?

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And I have to say they worked though, because I remember we had a police car stolen one
time and the guy tried to rip the shotgun out, you know?

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And ended up actually physically bending the shotgun, you know?

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Yeah.

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But he never got it out.

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So, well, in another corollary here is, and I'm sure you guys ran into that with pool cars
like we did that if one generation of rack had a certain type and then another generation

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of rack might have it in a different place.

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And a third one might've been the push button.

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yeah, for until we realized standardization is probably a good thing.

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It, it, you kind of had to go through that whole thing of, okay, how do I release the
shotgun from the car?

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Yeah.

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It seems like three seconds, but, or it may be three seconds, seems like three and a half
days.

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So, you just said something really important, which is going to talk about what you're
going to list, which is standardization.

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And so if you do want to stage guns, like I know a couple of people who stage guns, but
there's two guns in their house and they're always in exactly the same spot.

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Like they don't say, well I'm going to the living room.

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So I'm moving my gun over there.

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You know, cause, cause trust me, you won't remember that you're going to go back to where
it's been for the last three years, know, when you get there, it's not there.

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Then you'll have a terror filled five seconds while you remember that it's really in the
other room, you know?

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So, know, that's funny.

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I just chalked it up to OCD, but even where I've got the shotgun hanging.

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It has to face a certain way because I've mentally rehearsed grabbing it a certain way and
the gun that is near my chair.

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It's the exact same thing that one time I remember I reached for it.

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Just, mean, it was not in a situation, just, you know, checking that it's there and
everything's good.

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thought I'd pull it out and make sure there's no dust bunnies or mice living in it.

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And the grip was facing the wrong way.

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And it, again, it's, it was probably a half second or one second to kind of hung me up.

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But I thought, man, that would be a bad day if somebody's coming through the door and I
needed to get to that gun.

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So yeah, I mean, you made a good point that it's gotta be a certain way all the time and
you have to rehearse and be ready that, you know, it should almost be instinctive.

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Like that's the thing that I don't think uh a lot of people realize that even carry guns
until you do it like cops to where we've made tens of thousands of presentations.

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I've had a lot of guys say that, you know, you get into a situation and suddenly he's got
a gun.

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Oh, I've got a gun too.

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How did that get there?

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You know, it's so automatic and that's what it's, what it's gotta be.

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So, anyway, let's, let's get to the, oh, and go ahead and make your point.

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Well, it, you you brought, you bring up a very good point.

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And a friend of mine had had a gun in a fanny pack years ago, million years ago, and he
was sitting in his car and it was a small frame revolver and it was kind of a too big of a

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fanny pack.

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And so he was right-handed and so what he, somebody came up to his car unexpectedly and my
friend reached down, reached into his fanny pack to put his hand on his gun and the gun

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had rotated 180 degrees.

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So rather than the grip being down, so your hand could close on it, the grip was up.

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And so he put his hand in there and then, and you know, for five seconds was completely
utterly confused about what was happening.

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You know, and by then the guy was just, he realized the guy was a transient.

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He was trying to, you know, get some petty cash or something, but, but that changed
everything for my friend.

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mean, he immediately like fixed the fanny pack, got one that fit correctly.

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You know, but I mean, that is we are such creatures of habits.

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And when you're confronted with something different like that, you know, I have tools I
use like that, you know, and you.

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And so a socket wrench that is the one you use all the time and then you use another one
when you find yourself automatically trying to push the wrong release button or something.

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So, yeah.

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All right.

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Well, tell us where we should and shouldn't put our guns.

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Okay.

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Um, my, my favorite and it's no big deal, but I always feel clever when I, when I think of
this is I've got a table that sits right near where I sit a lot.

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And especially when my hand is there and I'm just relaxing, my hand is within six inches
of a gun and nobody would know.

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the way I do that is one of these gun magnets.

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And this thing is stupid strong.

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I nearly crushed my fingers when two of them got together.

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They're that strong, but I've got it mounted under a piece of furniture.

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And, you know, short of doing a fully destructive turn the furniture over, you'd never
find it, but it's right next.

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to my hand and I've got a couple of those and it is so, uh it is amazingly useful provided
you get a good quality one.

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uh Mine is from a brand name that escapes me at the moment, but uh it's actually a little
bit of effort to get it off the magnet.

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It's that strong.

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So I don't have to worry about suddenly, you know, we're sitting there, hear clunk and a
gun falls out from under the furniture, but it's very handy.

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And it makes me feel better knowing that even if I've got a gun in my pocket, because
we've talked about if you're sitting in your chair with a gun in your pocket, um you got

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to do some Macarena and stupid people tricks to get to it.

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Whereas I can just snake my hand near that piece of furniture and have a full size pistol
with a light and a TV on top.

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And it just is that quick.

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So those magnets I'm a big fan of.

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So I don't you got any magnets, Roy?

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You know, I don't, but your point is, is, is important.

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Like most burglars, they want to get in and get out.

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so they go in the bedrooms, they open the drawers, they look in the drawers, you know,
they look in some real obvious places like that.

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open closet doors, they reach on top of closets and then they take whatever they can lay
their hands on and then they're gone.

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know, so whatever guns you stage.

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If you think you're being cagey and you put it underneath your underwear and your drawer,
you know, yeah, well, you're not really being cagey.

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So, but what you're talking about, I mean, that kind of stuff makes good sense.

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You know, there's a, there's a whole genre of hide your gun furniture and, things, know,
wall hangings.

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know people that have pictures on the walls that contain all kinds of guns and stuff.

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I've got a friend who, you know, I'm not going to name names, but his, uh, staged gun near
the front door is a, is a picture.

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And unless you really knew what you were looking for, it'd be hard to find.

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So that stuff's out there.

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you know, there's a, a guy that I know who asked me to make him a, uh, it's like a tissue
box to hold a full size box of tissues.

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Right.

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But.

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You can buy these little half size boxes of tissues.

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so he designed this.

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was really clever design and he said, could you make this for me?

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I said, yeah, that looks interesting.

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It was easy.

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Right.

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And so basically you can, you can either pull a tissue out or you can just sort of grab
the top of the box and pull the whole box lid off.

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And then there's a pistol sitting underneath it.

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And I know it was really cool.

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Cause I thought.

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he mean if you're being held hostage or something and then you can, you can go like, man,
I just need a tissue because I got something in my eye.

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know, it's like, but yeah, that kind of stuff.

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Yeah.

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You see the, I've seen such clever ones where they, it's like a, uh coffee table, you
know, you push a button and it's like comes up, know, or like, uh, the header of a bed.

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I've seen a couple where it'll hold guns in different ways.

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You could just like reach up and your hands hitting the back You'll drop a shotgun right
into your hand, you know Those magnets are wonderful because on the headboard a big stout

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headboard You can have a gun right by your head and nobody would see it unless they're
looking behind your headboard Which again most folks are not gonna do It's true speaking

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of that dude.

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I mean do what you want to do

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but I don't recommend putting a gun under your pillow because I mean, I don't know, you
know, if you're like me, I mean, I'm tossing and turning, you know, you put your arm under

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the pillow and you do the, you know, and then invariably what I've, I've heard this from
people was that, uh, who have tried this and then, so the gun slips back and then goes

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behind the,

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the pillow and down on the floor, right?

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And so that's just a bad idea.

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Yeah, you're probably not going to shoot yourself in the head or your friend, you know,
but it's like that is not really a good place to put it.

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Well, on that same topic, I was going to say when we're talking about furniture, and
again, I know you and I have seen this countless times as cops, don't put it down in the

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cushions.

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That's I mean, I've seen people put shotguns and rifles, lots of pistols.

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um

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It's bad for a lot of different reasons.

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First of all is the the gunge and dust bunnies or dust buffaloes as you call it.

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I mean, I've done searches and you have to the stuff that accumulates in most couches is
horrifying.

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oh Food and gunk and junk and things I don't even want to identify.

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It's just a bad idea.

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And especially like your sofa, you may

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Say you have the preacher and his wife over and you forget there's a gun in there.

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It'll be like, Hey, there's a pistol right there.

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So it's, it's yeah.

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If that's all you got, I guess it's okay.

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But I just, I've never been a big fan of sticking guns down in, in sofa cushions and chair
cushions.

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agree with you.

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And they tend to migrate around, know?

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Yeah.

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So when I

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We used to write the handgun leather column for American Handgunner magazine.

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I recall specifically, I wrote an article about a similar topic as this.

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And what I did was I experimented with all that kind of stuff.

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I had a, remember the ring blue guns?

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I think they're still around.

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So they look like a real gun, right?

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But they're inert.

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uh, and I remember I had an easy chair and so I stuffed a ring gun, uh, down in the pocket
down there.

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And then I.

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my easy chair back like that and it disappeared down underneath it.

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I thought, well, that was unexpected.

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It was a major ordeal to try to dig it back out again.

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I'm just surprised at how they migrate around.

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I tried it in the couch and just getting up and sitting down and getting up and sitting
down, it tends to move around or it slowly will rotate to where the grips up.

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You know, and now all that's like a really bad, mean, I suppose it's different if you're,
I'm going to sit in my easy chair right now.

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So you tuck your gun next to you while you're in the easy chair.

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And then when you get up, you take your gun back and put it in your pocket.

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You know, that might be one thing, but I like your magnet idea.

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I know exactly what you're talking about, which, which actually is the next thing is to
me, uh, because I know people are going to be asking about this in the comments is are the

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various little lock boxes and all that kind of stuff.

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You know, and yeah, they have a place, especially if you've got kids, you know, or, as you
say, if uncle Fred lives with you you don't really trust uncle Fred with guns, know, uh,

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to me though, the downside is what we've said many times.

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And we just said it earlier is that if you need a gun, you need a gun.

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And if it's more than, I mean, if you're five seconds away from having your gun in your
hand, chances are very good that that's too late.

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You know, I mean, not all the time, right.

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but a lot of the time I take a little bit of a different tack.

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I have a stream light and I can't think of the name of it lock box.

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It's the only lock box I've got for a gun, but that's my bedside nightstand gun.

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And the reason being I intentionally chose that aside from just security, it's you open
the, I'm giving away things I probably shouldn't, but if you open the drawer on my side of

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the bed,

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there's a box with a gun and around it I've got my 17 flashlights and spare mags and all
that.

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But this takes I think four or five buttons and they're mechanical, which I've always not
trusted electronic locks because you know, anything mechanical can fail.

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But this one is strictly human powered and I've got it set up for two buttons of which I
know.

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And the idea behind that aside from just general security for the kids,

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the grandkids coming over is the idea that if I wake up and I'm still a little groggy, I
at least need to be cognizant enough to operate those two buttons in the right sequence.

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I know a lot, I know a lot of, oh, you'll be dead by then.

353
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Yeah, you may be absolutely right, but I just feel like I know how it takes me a moment to
kind of get coherent.

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And I want that little bit of a pause before I've got a gun in my hand.

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And again, your mileage may vary, do it how you want.

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but that's what I've chosen just because I think it makes sense.

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And I'll tell you a corollary to that.

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After I started doing it, I had a bump in the night.

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And as we've talked before, if you think somebody's coming in the front door, you need to
barricade and be ready for them.

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But this was that noise that we all go, I'm not gonna call the police, but I wanna go
check it out.

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I wanna have a gun with me.

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For the life of me, I couldn't remember the combination.

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So every night, and I don't do it anymore because it's ingrained.

364
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But it's like, I said, what's the combo?

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It's such and such.

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What's the con?

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I mean, I did that for like a month drilling it in and I periodically, when I opened the
drawer or whatever, it's like, Oh, I know what the combo is.

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So again, I'm not saying that's the answer.

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I'm just saying it's, it's my answer.

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And I hope I'm never in a situation where I have to get the gun instantaneously to save
our lives.

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But as we've talked before, the layered security aspect.

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dogs, exterior lights, nosy neighbors, alarm system, video cameras.

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It would be somewhat unlikely for somebody to be on top of me before I at least had a few
seconds warning.

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anyway, that was kind of a long answer to something you brought up, but that's people like
to hear how we're doing it.

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And that's, that's how I'm doing my bedside gun.

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that was long, Roy.

377
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You brought up all the important points about those things and I have tested the
electronic ones and I've had mine fail.

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ah I mean, maybe the modern technology is a lot better, but batteries die, switches don't
work.

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I know I've been surprised to go beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, push the button and it
doesn't pop open.

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Yeah.

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It's like, well, what now?

382
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Right?

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uh And I think though it was like training, unless it's intuitive,

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It's like, if you reach down and your finger touches something hot, what do you do?

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You automatically jerk your hand back, right?

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You have, it's autonomic.

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You have no control over that.

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You've done that a million times in your life.

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It's like, ouch, that's hot.

390
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Right?

391
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And so your response to these kinds of things should be the same way.

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It's like you with your lock box, you know, when you, when you, when you're doing that
process, it's, it's automatic.

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mean, you're not even thinking seven, nine.

394
00:30:21,147 --> 00:30:24,698
You know, it's just automatic, right?

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That's what I call it immediate.

396
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mean, it's a military term, immediate action drills.

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If this happens, you do this.

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You don't think about it.

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You don't decide if this happens.

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I do this.

401
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And that's how I drilled myself on those buttons.

402
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If I hear the front door crashing open or something like that, I'm not going to turn on
the light.

403
00:30:44,264 --> 00:30:44,934
Hey honey.

404
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It's my, I roll over and my finger go to those buttons.

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And that's it.

406
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And we'll show it out from there, but that's what I've got my mind trained to do.

407
00:30:53,651 --> 00:30:55,061
And it's automatic though.

408
00:30:55,061 --> 00:30:55,261
Yeah.

409
00:30:55,261 --> 00:31:00,093
It's not like what, the door's crashing, which you should already be moving automatically.

410
00:31:00,093 --> 00:31:00,683
Yeah.

411
00:31:00,683 --> 00:31:07,815
but I think like so many people, if they buy a gun, they load it, they shoot it or not the
first time.

412
00:31:07,815 --> 00:31:08,295
Right.

413
00:31:08,295 --> 00:31:08,955
Yeah.

414
00:31:08,955 --> 00:31:10,596
And they put it away.

415
00:31:10,636 --> 00:31:13,257
Maybe they put it away in a lock box.

416
00:31:13,967 --> 00:31:15,037
And then that's it.

417
00:31:15,037 --> 00:31:19,098
That's the total amount of their engagement in that situation.

418
00:31:19,199 --> 00:31:28,197
so six months from then, or four years from then, they go, Oh, I think I need to get the
gun out.

419
00:31:28,197 --> 00:31:32,463
You know, and then it's just as a litany of, where did I put it?

420
00:31:32,463 --> 00:31:38,217
You know, uh, and then when they get the box, it's like, well, how do you open this again?

421
00:31:38,217 --> 00:31:39,375
You know,

422
00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:45,049
And people may laugh at this, you and I both know that's exactly what happens a lot of
times.

423
00:31:45,970 --> 00:31:54,957
think I've told the story before it happened to me that, uh, my former wife had a medical,
serious medical emergency and I had to call nine one one.

424
00:31:55,318 --> 00:31:57,740
I remember, mean, I was a cop.

425
00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:59,041
I had been a dispatcher.

426
00:31:59,041 --> 00:32:01,663
knew the numbers and of course I knew nine one one.

427
00:32:01,663 --> 00:32:06,446
I had the hardest time getting my thing, nine one and one.

428
00:32:06,447 --> 00:32:09,437
And that always stuck with me that because I was.

429
00:32:09,437 --> 00:32:16,237
under tremendous stress and pressure and you know, I was worried to death about her and
all the things going on.

430
00:32:16,237 --> 00:32:21,477
I it just didn't I mean, if I wanted to dial 911 right now, beep beep beep beep.

431
00:32:21,537 --> 00:32:26,877
But this this was like a nine and and one.

432
00:32:26,877 --> 00:32:37,829
So if that's a challenge, what I was going to say about the lockboxes, especially like the
combo roller ones, you will never get that open.

433
00:32:37,829 --> 00:32:40,890
under pressure, never ever, ever.

434
00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:52,535
Well, because in your situation and we both had that happen on duty is that you're, you're
the majority of your ability to think is being sucked into whatever this situation is.

435
00:32:52,675 --> 00:33:03,199
so there's little, very little brain stem use leftover for doing an analytical something,
you know, that you haven't already practiced 10 million times.

436
00:33:03,199 --> 00:33:07,527
Like you should be able to do that with your left hand automatically without even thinking
about it.

437
00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:10,009
You know, it's like reaching in your pocket for your wallet.

438
00:33:10,009 --> 00:33:11,270
You always do it's automatic.

439
00:33:11,270 --> 00:33:12,801
You don't think I need to get my wallet.

440
00:33:12,801 --> 00:33:14,782
Now where's my wallet again?

441
00:33:14,782 --> 00:33:19,545
know, and, uh, but I think that's what we're talking about.

442
00:33:19,545 --> 00:33:28,541
Stashing guns is another thing is that if you're really accomplished and you train and you
do all that kind of stuff, great stash, whatever gun you want to, however you want to,

443
00:33:28,541 --> 00:33:30,933
chances are pretty good that you'll be prepared.

444
00:33:30,933 --> 00:33:31,844
You'll know where it is.

445
00:33:31,844 --> 00:33:32,935
You'll know how to use it.

446
00:33:32,935 --> 00:33:36,731
You know, you, you've got plans, you played what if all that's great.

447
00:33:36,731 --> 00:33:38,022
That's how it should be.

448
00:33:38,022 --> 00:33:43,147
But the average Shmo though, you know, may not be that person.

449
00:33:43,147 --> 00:33:52,275
And so they are going to have a, Glock that they bought that maybe they shot one time when
they bought it at the indoor range.

450
00:33:52,275 --> 00:33:53,175
Right.

451
00:33:53,336 --> 00:33:59,041
And then they'll, they'll have it in their lock box because the guy behind the gun counter
sold them a lock box to go with it.

452
00:33:59,041 --> 00:33:59,741
Right.

453
00:33:59,741 --> 00:34:03,441
Maybe it's a state that requires you to have a lock box.

454
00:34:03,481 --> 00:34:12,961
Then it's probably going to be the cheapest lock box that he could have buy and it's going
to have one of those roller release things.

455
00:34:13,761 --> 00:34:21,701
So they'll load their gun, they'll put it in the lock box, they'll put it in a drawer
somewhere, they'll be very smug and happy that now they've done their civic duty.

456
00:34:21,921 --> 00:34:28,349
Then the first time they need it, they'll go through that litany that we talked about
earlier, which is where is it?

457
00:34:28,349 --> 00:34:30,489
You know, what are the numbers?

458
00:34:30,489 --> 00:34:35,789
I've seen people write the numbers on top in a big Sharpie pen, you know, which is fine.

459
00:34:35,789 --> 00:34:39,789
know, I mean, but I mean, okay, you're right.

460
00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:40,789
Uh, yeah.

461
00:34:40,789 --> 00:34:43,069
And then, so then they opened up and they get it out.

462
00:34:43,069 --> 00:34:46,269
Now they're confronted with how does this work again?

463
00:34:46,489 --> 00:34:49,749
You know, is it, is there a safety?

464
00:34:49,749 --> 00:34:51,949
Do I have to put a magazine in it?

465
00:34:52,209 --> 00:34:53,049
Yeah.

466
00:34:53,249 --> 00:34:54,893
Well, we haven't even talked about.

467
00:34:54,893 --> 00:34:55,894
trigger locks.

468
00:34:55,894 --> 00:35:00,575
mean, trigger locks are a good thing if there's people around your guns that you don't
trust.

469
00:35:00,575 --> 00:35:09,459
uh But in terms, there's nothing worse than a trigger lock if you're talking about being
in a situation where you need to defend yourself.

470
00:35:09,459 --> 00:35:12,520
So take trigger locks out of the equation.

471
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:19,593
uh But I was trying to think, I think we haven't even looked at the time we've we've just
scratched the surface.

472
00:35:19,593 --> 00:35:21,744
But there's a couple more things I want to talk about.

473
00:35:21,744 --> 00:35:24,805
uh We haven't talked about cars.

474
00:35:25,185 --> 00:35:27,706
and I keep guns in my car.

475
00:35:27,706 --> 00:35:33,799
And I think there's a lot of, uh again, that could spend an entire show talking about
different places.

476
00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:34,569
Cause I've been through that.

477
00:35:34,569 --> 00:35:40,852
We made kydex holsters where they slipped underneath the steering wheel clipped into the
body panels.

478
00:35:40,852 --> 00:35:45,214
And there's all kinds of interesting, useful and unuseful ideas.

479
00:35:45,214 --> 00:35:51,907
But the point I wanted to make about vehicles is I've seen a lot of different holster
types and I've got a couple.

480
00:35:51,907 --> 00:35:57,121
The problem is they they're very fast because your guns right out there in the open.

481
00:35:57,121 --> 00:36:08,039
And unless you're in downtown Mogadishu, personally speaking as a retired cop, I don't
think that's a good idea because the odds of being carjacked are fairly small.

482
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:11,172
The odds of being stopped by law enforcement are much higher.

483
00:36:11,272 --> 00:36:13,854
And you know, I think Roy will agree with me.

484
00:36:13,854 --> 00:36:17,957
You walk up on somebody's got a gun uh setting right there.

485
00:36:17,977 --> 00:36:22,110
Roy told a story about the guy had a gear shift made of out of a revolver.

486
00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:24,702
That's just not a real good idea.

487
00:36:24,702 --> 00:36:27,063
I mean, you're probably going to be okay.

488
00:36:27,063 --> 00:36:33,508
But as we say, you're going to have some splaining to do and it might be at the muzzle of
the officer's gun.

489
00:36:33,508 --> 00:36:38,071
So I think you should carry, you know, guns in your car.

490
00:36:38,071 --> 00:36:46,845
But I really strongly believe that they need to be out of sight and certainly not in the
glove box because you're going to be in that glove box if you get stopped.

491
00:36:46,845 --> 00:36:52,685
And we both had the experience gun falls out and oh, look, I've got a gun too.

492
00:36:52,785 --> 00:36:55,085
So your thoughts on that Roy?

493
00:36:55,865 --> 00:37:00,805
Well, I don't, I don't advocate anyone store a gun in their car.

494
00:37:00,925 --> 00:37:13,665
I they, I have seen devices where it's like a hidden bolted in compartment, you know, that
you keep a gun someplace that no one's going to just find in passing.

495
00:37:13,725 --> 00:37:23,948
uh But if you just keep it in your center console or something, then, I mean, that's like,
steal me please, you know, and millions of cars are stolen every year.

496
00:37:23,948 --> 00:37:34,531
so I think that for me is that if you decide that when you get in the car, it's like,
actually, a reader was telling me in a comment was that, or a viewer, he said, I carry a

497
00:37:34,531 --> 00:37:35,591
pocket gun.

498
00:37:35,591 --> 00:37:41,669
When I get in my car, he puts it in, he had, there's a little spot in between the seats.

499
00:37:41,669 --> 00:37:45,151
He said, and then I have a little cloth that I lay over it.

500
00:37:45,632 --> 00:37:56,220
And so, you know, that way it keeps it out of the eyes of the passerby or, you uh, if, if
a cop does stop you and you keep your hands on the wheels, I would just like to say, have

501
00:37:56,220 --> 00:38:00,503
my concealed carry gun underneath that red cloth, you know?

502
00:38:00,503 --> 00:38:05,486
So, and then when you get out of the car, you take your gun, you put it back in your
holster, you get out of the car.

503
00:38:05,486 --> 00:38:07,318
So that would be the best thing.

504
00:38:07,318 --> 00:38:09,243
But yeah, I know what you mean to have those.

505
00:38:09,243 --> 00:38:16,915
you know, holsters that go underneath the, by the steering column and, know, there are all
kinds of different places and all that's fine.

506
00:38:16,915 --> 00:38:19,146
But I don't think it needs, it should live there.

507
00:38:19,146 --> 00:38:21,296
know?

508
00:38:21,536 --> 00:38:29,448
Well, I do practice what I preach because I've got a, I'm working on selling one of my
motorcycles and it's been in the garage and I'm going to work on it later today.

509
00:38:29,448 --> 00:38:38,741
But, my trucks had to sit outside and we're, we're some of the few people in America,
along with Roy Huntington that we keep our garage clean enough that we put our two

510
00:38:39,035 --> 00:38:46,147
very expensive vehicles, relatively speaking in the garage and we don't keep all of our
junk that you know, is worth under $1,000.

511
00:38:46,147 --> 00:39:00,582
So having to park the truck out because the the motorcycles in there where I was working
on it, uh I de gunned and devaluable uh everything in my truck and we live in a very safe

512
00:39:00,582 --> 00:39:01,002
neighborhood.

513
00:39:01,002 --> 00:39:04,553
And like I said, I've got nosy neighbors and video cameras and all that but

514
00:39:04,581 --> 00:39:14,097
I don't want anybody to be able to say, I was thinking the most horrible thing I could
imagine is talking to one of the officers from my former agency going, yeah, I'm the

515
00:39:14,097 --> 00:39:14,947
dummy.

516
00:39:14,947 --> 00:39:18,149
left the gun in the car in the driveway and they broke in and took it.

517
00:39:18,149 --> 00:39:21,611
That would just really upset me.

518
00:39:21,611 --> 00:39:30,416
uh that's one of the things that, and it's a pain because valuables, anything worth
stealing, because they break in for pocket change.

519
00:39:30,416 --> 00:39:31,889
They certainly would take your

520
00:39:31,889 --> 00:39:34,490
you know, $200 Skinner knife or whatever.

521
00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:39,472
I always, uh, you know, sterilize my vehicle if I'm going to park it outside.

522
00:39:39,472 --> 00:39:42,214
But fortunately I don't have to do that very often.

523
00:39:42,214 --> 00:39:55,670
So, you know, it's going to come up cause I've had, when we talk about house carry in a
different podcast, I was amazed at the number of people who say, well, I, I stage guns and

524
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:58,717
I have a bathroom gun and yeah.

525
00:39:58,717 --> 00:40:03,977
I was surprised at the number of people who actually physically have a shower gun.

526
00:40:05,337 --> 00:40:08,817
Yeah, I've got to say I've never done that.

527
00:40:08,817 --> 00:40:13,297
I don't want to be that careful or that prepared.

528
00:40:14,217 --> 00:40:24,737
But guys like they buy a high point and they keep it up on the top shelf in the shower or
everybody's telling me they keep it in between the hand towels and stuff like that.

529
00:40:24,937 --> 00:40:28,389
To me, I was going to do that, it would be my

530
00:40:28,389 --> 00:40:34,589
whatever my pocket gun was, if for some reason, I mean, I really felt that this would be
necessary.

531
00:40:34,589 --> 00:40:39,314
I would just take that gun in with me, you know, in the bathroom or do whatever I was
doing.

532
00:40:39,314 --> 00:40:48,758
But I mean, I'm like you, you know, I have perimeter security and automatic lights and a
dog that, you know, would let me know what was going on.

533
00:40:48,758 --> 00:40:55,343
You know, we have reinforced locks and doors and so somebody would have to be really
determined, you know, to get in.

534
00:40:55,343 --> 00:40:58,225
And I would be well aware of it long before it was happening.

535
00:40:58,225 --> 00:41:12,526
so, uh, yeah, I, I'm not quite at that level, but you know, if I lived in an inner city,
two bedroom duplex, you know, on the ground floor, you know, then I would probably rethink

536
00:41:12,526 --> 00:41:12,796
that.

537
00:41:12,796 --> 00:41:16,768
so that, don't know what we proved, but yeah.

538
00:41:17,309 --> 00:41:22,713
If you live in a place where there's bars on your windows, yeah, I could see very much so.

539
00:41:22,971 --> 00:41:28,525
But one quick last one that be interested to hear your take on it, Roy.

540
00:41:28,525 --> 00:41:35,230
My gun near the front door, I guess it's probably a pretty no brainer idea.

541
00:41:35,230 --> 00:41:40,553
I got a coat closet like most folks have, and I was trying to think how do I stage that
shotgun there?

542
00:41:40,553 --> 00:41:50,540
So I rigged up something using some split rings and carabiners that if you move the coats
from the right place, there's a shotgun hanging there.

543
00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:52,049
And I thought that was

544
00:41:52,049 --> 00:41:55,411
pretty, uh I thought that was kind of novel.

545
00:41:55,411 --> 00:42:04,457
And I know they make garment bags, Skinner Sights does, Andy, uh but I've never had one of
those.

546
00:42:04,498 --> 00:42:11,302
be interesting to try one, but no, I've got a shotgun that my wife likes and she knows
where it is.

547
00:42:11,302 --> 00:42:14,484
we've taught, you know, move this and it's right there.

548
00:42:14,484 --> 00:42:17,676
And then you can take it off really, really quick and easy.

549
00:42:17,676 --> 00:42:20,809
So uh I, you probably haven't done that.

550
00:42:20,809 --> 00:42:21,859
Have you Roy?

551
00:42:22,173 --> 00:42:25,733
I haven't, but I really admire the Skinner Sights one.

552
00:42:25,733 --> 00:42:31,073
know he has that, it looks like a garment bag.

553
00:42:31,073 --> 00:42:32,233
Garment bag, yeah.

554
00:42:32,233 --> 00:42:34,713
Which you keep in AR and magazines.

555
00:42:34,713 --> 00:42:44,793
Yeah, and I think it's mostly made for people who live, you know, it's hey, if you live in
an apartment, you know, and you don't really have a gun safe, well then it just looks like

556
00:42:44,793 --> 00:42:48,213
a garment bag, you know, and then you keep some of your guns in there.

557
00:42:48,213 --> 00:43:00,365
Uh, I will though, I'll throw myself on my sword and, and, and make a confession that I
have, I have a, know, my house and we're really far off the road and, I work in the garage

558
00:43:00,365 --> 00:43:08,092
a lot and I keep the door open and there's been one or two occasions where someone has, I
look around and there's somebody standing there, right?

559
00:43:08,092 --> 00:43:13,637
You know, and then there's some lost, you know, delivery driver or something, but.

560
00:43:13,661 --> 00:43:26,621
Uh, there was one time specifically, or when I turned and I saw him there and that I
really didn't know where I was going to go to get my gun.

561
00:43:26,661 --> 00:43:29,141
You know, I mean, I was at my work bench.

562
00:43:29,141 --> 00:43:30,261
didn't have a gun in my pocket.

563
00:43:30,261 --> 00:43:31,781
This was years ago.

564
00:43:31,821 --> 00:43:35,601
And, uh, and it was, so I realized right away it was fine.

565
00:43:35,601 --> 00:43:38,201
He just was, you know, the lost delivery driver or something.

566
00:43:38,201 --> 00:43:41,639
But after that was done, as I realized.

567
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:47,151
Well, there was a shotgun right there, idiot, that I staged specifically for this.

568
00:43:47,272 --> 00:43:53,365
And that, and that I had just, because what we talked about, you know, you couldn't dial
911, right?

569
00:43:53,365 --> 00:43:58,937
Cause your mind was so, you know, and so my mind was so distracted by what was going on
here.

570
00:43:58,937 --> 00:44:04,200
And I had not trained multiple times to just like, that's my go-to gun.

571
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,551
And actually that's what prompted me that.

572
00:44:06,551 --> 00:44:10,184
I'm sorry, my home gun is always in my pocket.

573
00:44:10,305 --> 00:44:13,788
all right.

574
00:44:13,788 --> 00:44:14,428
One more.

575
00:44:14,428 --> 00:44:24,117
uh I've been wanting to have a garage gun just staged, but, uh you know, I worry about
corrosion and of course, you know, people getting into it.

576
00:44:24,117 --> 00:44:33,435
So finally now I have a uh gun, unnamed type in a secure uh steel container.

577
00:44:33,435 --> 00:44:40,168
that might be marked something like dog food or cat treats or something.

578
00:44:40,168 --> 00:44:47,681
And uh I kind of figure because of all the places in our home where somebody could
probably get in relatively unnoticed, it might be the garage.

579
00:44:47,681 --> 00:44:51,072
Because we leave the door open sometimes.

580
00:44:51,133 --> 00:44:53,344
Now with the alarm system, it tells us if it's open.

581
00:44:53,344 --> 00:45:00,787
But I've done that before, uh left it open all night, which is the most horrifying feeling
when you go out.

582
00:45:00,787 --> 00:45:01,373
It's like.

583
00:45:01,373 --> 00:45:02,083
Did you close the door?

584
00:45:02,083 --> 00:45:02,353
No.

585
00:45:02,353 --> 00:45:03,144
Did you open the door?

586
00:45:03,144 --> 00:45:03,815
No.

587
00:45:03,815 --> 00:45:04,996
It was open all night.

588
00:45:04,996 --> 00:45:07,698
now we get a notification.

589
00:45:07,698 --> 00:45:12,021
I work out there a lot and I do a lot of yard work and gardening.

590
00:45:12,021 --> 00:45:17,765
I just, again, I've got a 38 in my pocket, but I wanted something else handy.

591
00:45:17,765 --> 00:45:20,707
And so I came up with this nondescript.

592
00:45:20,707 --> 00:45:29,243
And the main concern I had was just that somebody seeing, if that says, you know,
emergency gun or it's a gun locker, they're going to go, oh, that's where...

593
00:45:29,243 --> 00:45:31,424
That's I can steal his tools and I can steal that.

594
00:45:31,424 --> 00:45:35,497
Well, the way I've got it set up, it's easily accessible.

595
00:45:35,497 --> 00:45:42,240
It's quick to get to, but most folks are going to ignore it and think I don't need any of
that stuff.

596
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,601
I've got, I've got his socket wrenches here.

597
00:45:44,601 --> 00:45:49,104
So I'd hide in plain sight thing like the hidden furniture thing we were talking about.

598
00:45:49,104 --> 00:45:49,704
I will.

599
00:45:49,704 --> 00:45:50,725
I'll leave with two things.

600
00:45:50,725 --> 00:45:54,737
Number one, I have a little dinger alarm, a little infrared alarm.

601
00:45:54,737 --> 00:45:56,378
It's portable, a little square box.

602
00:45:56,378 --> 00:45:58,595
think I bought it a Harbor freight years ago.

603
00:45:58,595 --> 00:46:02,349
And you can sit that at your garage, open garage door.

604
00:46:02,349 --> 00:46:05,631
And if somebody crosses it, goes ding dong.

605
00:46:05,952 --> 00:46:06,852
Right.

606
00:46:07,093 --> 00:46:11,597
It's not, it's not a wired alarm or anything, but it lets them know and they don't know.

607
00:46:11,597 --> 00:46:13,979
think, Oh, somebody knows I'm here.

608
00:46:13,979 --> 00:46:22,907
The other thing that you can keep around the house and keep in your car, uh, is baseball
bats and no one thinks about it.

609
00:46:22,907 --> 00:46:25,295
You got a baseball bat by your front door.

610
00:46:25,295 --> 00:46:28,998
So if you have to beat the snot out of somebody, there it is right there, right?

611
00:46:28,998 --> 00:46:37,194
Uh, put a baseball bat on your back seat, hook a baseball mitt over it, you know, leave a
softball next to it.

612
00:46:37,194 --> 00:46:39,715
And if you're ever stopped, it's like, what do do with that?

613
00:46:39,715 --> 00:46:41,895
It's like, play softball.

614
00:46:42,237 --> 00:46:43,728
Yeah, exactly.

615
00:46:43,728 --> 00:46:45,069
But you always have it there.

616
00:46:45,069 --> 00:46:53,457
So it's now that's funny because one of my garage tools and you'll get a kick out of this
is I do a lot of break work.

617
00:46:53,457 --> 00:46:56,038
for myself, my kids and all that stuff.

618
00:46:56,038 --> 00:47:02,370
And sometimes, you know, getting the uh frozen nut or stud off that front disc brake is
challenging.

619
00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:07,322
And I fought for years and I've, you know, I've laid under the car and used my feet and
all that.

620
00:47:07,322 --> 00:47:15,464
So I finally uh bit the bullet and I bought a 48 inch, uh half inch drive breaker bar.

621
00:47:15,544 --> 00:47:18,333
And now if I got a stubborn nut,

622
00:47:18,333 --> 00:47:20,353
I'm not asking it to come off.

623
00:47:20,353 --> 00:47:23,953
It's coming off or we're going to twist the suspension off the car.

624
00:47:23,953 --> 00:47:32,093
But I was looking at that and I thought, you know, it's obviously a tool, but man, that'd
knock somebody clean out if you swung it on them.

625
00:47:32,173 --> 00:47:34,453
so yeah, it's handy.

626
00:47:34,533 --> 00:47:41,853
remember this is what something a lot of people forget is that it's not always go to guns,
you know?

627
00:47:41,853 --> 00:47:42,413
Right.

628
00:47:42,413 --> 00:47:46,581
I mean, in other words, if you're at your front door and you've got some loony tune there.

629
00:47:46,768 --> 00:47:48,868
you know, who's acting the fool or something.

630
00:47:48,868 --> 00:47:53,588
Well, maybe you need to hold your baseball bat and say, you know what, it's time for you
to leave.

631
00:47:53,608 --> 00:47:57,628
And then it's like, everybody knows a baseball bat, you know?

632
00:47:57,628 --> 00:48:01,648
And it's like, oh, he could hit me with that and that would hurt a lot, right?

633
00:48:01,648 --> 00:48:04,748
And so, you know, you don't always go to guns.

634
00:48:05,668 --> 00:48:07,188
That raises an interesting point.

635
00:48:07,188 --> 00:48:15,265
You and I have never talked about this, but you brought something up many podcasts ago
that the difference between being shot and being cut.

636
00:48:15,265 --> 00:48:16,396
Everybody's been cut.

637
00:48:16,396 --> 00:48:17,717
know, that hurts.

638
00:48:17,717 --> 00:48:18,478
That's awful.

639
00:48:18,478 --> 00:48:19,839
I don't want that to happen.

640
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:23,481
But to a lot of folks, the idea of being shot is an abstraction.

641
00:48:23,481 --> 00:48:25,203
You don't know what it feels like.

642
00:48:25,203 --> 00:48:31,768
hear varying, you know, from it didn't hurt at all to it was the most horrible pain
imaginable.

643
00:48:31,768 --> 00:48:34,960
But everybody pretty much knows how it feels to get cut.

644
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:41,155
And I would put a uh impact weapon, a ball bat, a half inch breaker bar.

645
00:48:41,231 --> 00:48:45,534
Um, you know, we've all had our chime rung hitting our head or been hit by something.

646
00:48:45,534 --> 00:48:49,456
And I think most people would be like, I don't want that baseball bat to the head.

647
00:48:49,456 --> 00:48:50,807
So I kind of get that.

648
00:48:50,807 --> 00:48:52,188
there's a deterrent.

649
00:48:52,188 --> 00:48:59,643
think about it in movies, how many guys you see they get shot and they go, Oh, and then
they keep fighting.

650
00:48:59,743 --> 00:49:00,504
Right.

651
00:49:00,504 --> 00:49:05,387
But usually if somebody gets whacked with something, what do they do?

652
00:49:05,387 --> 00:49:06,191
Fud.

653
00:49:06,191 --> 00:49:07,491
Yeah.

654
00:49:07,491 --> 00:49:08,891
You know, all right.

655
00:49:08,891 --> 00:49:11,771
Well, I don't know, we probably beat this into the dirt.

656
00:49:11,931 --> 00:49:15,131
Oh, I don't think, I could talk for days about this.

657
00:49:15,631 --> 00:49:20,031
No, what I want is maybe we'll approach this again.

658
00:49:20,071 --> 00:49:24,391
I've got a couple of buddies that I'm a mere amateur when it comes to that.

659
00:49:24,391 --> 00:49:35,375
I've got guys that have cut holes in the wall and got, you know, it's, it's, and again,
it's, it's almost a intellectual exercise more so than a tactical one, but

660
00:49:35,375 --> 00:49:37,075
I find it fascinating.

661
00:49:37,595 --> 00:49:42,515
anyway, any parting words as we toddle on out of here?

662
00:49:43,195 --> 00:49:52,855
Well, I think if you just remember that all of these things are interconnected and so you,
you, the answer isn't, yes, I'm going to stage a gun.

663
00:49:53,335 --> 00:50:03,995
Then, then the next part of that equation is, and I'm going to train with it and I'm going
to practice how to get it and I'm going to play whatever, you know what I mean?

664
00:50:03,995 --> 00:50:04,737
Is that

665
00:50:04,737 --> 00:50:09,090
It's like most things it's all, it's way more than just one thing.

666
00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:15,575
And I think too many novices especially think that I'm going to buy a gun and bring it
home and put it in the door and now I'm safe.

667
00:50:15,716 --> 00:50:17,187
It's like ready to go.

668
00:50:17,187 --> 00:50:17,452
Yeah.

669
00:50:17,452 --> 00:50:19,979
No, you're not, you know, so just remember that.

670
00:50:28,185 --> 00:50:35,139
That wraps up our look at home defense firearm staging and how to make sure your skills
and gear are ready for the real world.

671
00:50:35,399 --> 00:50:42,824
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672
00:50:42,964 --> 00:50:49,628
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673
00:50:49,628 --> 00:50:54,901
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674
00:50:55,363 --> 00:51:01,469
Now on behalf of the team at Guns Magazine and my co-host Roy Huntington, I'm Brent Wheat
reminding you again.

675
00:51:01,469 --> 00:51:03,721
Now get out there and get shooting.