Episode 318

<v Speaker 1>I have something to say, and I hope you'll indulge
<v Speaker 1>me for a minute. After the tragic and horrifying events
<v Speaker 1>of last week, I wanted to give up. I feel
<v Speaker 1>as though I'm such a bad communicator and so bad
<v Speaker 1>at my job, my only job, that I end up
<v Speaker 1>arguing with my audience on social media rather than convincing
<v Speaker 1>them of my points here on my program. But after
<v Speaker 1>a lot of self reflection, a lot of what I
<v Speaker 1>guess they would call soul searching, and the love and
<v Speaker 1>support of those closest to me, I've come to realize
<v Speaker 1>that this is just the beginning, not the end. Evil
<v Speaker 1>flourishes in darkness and complacency. There is more work to
<v Speaker 1>be done, there's more truth to be spread, And if
<v Speaker 1>I'm not equipped to effectively do my job, then I
<v Speaker 1>simply need to work harder and get better at it.
<v Speaker 1>So here's a little bit of truth for you. Here's
<v Speaker 1>the hot take I've come up with. If you celebrate
<v Speaker 1>the murder of someone simply because they have different beliefs
<v Speaker 1>than you, simply because of their words, simply because they
<v Speaker 1>hurt your feelings.
<v Speaker 2>Then you.
<v Speaker 1>Are the problem. You are the monster. Period. There's no
<v Speaker 1>logical reason why that should need to be said. Sword
<v Speaker 1>and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and it is
<v Speaker 1>not intended for all audiences.
<v Speaker 2>Listener discretion is advised. Can deny and deny and deny,
<v Speaker 2>and then but in the in the end, out you
<v Speaker 2>guess you're saying, you guys know something I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's dead.
<v Speaker 3>Well, we do know a lot of things about her
<v Speaker 3>reading because she's there as the way that she's no
<v Speaker 3>longer with us.
<v Speaker 4>M hm.
<v Speaker 1>It's mid twenty sixteen in Seattle, Washington. The sun hangs
<v Speaker 1>lazily in the afternoon sky, but a stubborn layer of
<v Speaker 1>fog still clings to the top of the trees. The
<v Speaker 1>Central District is starting to wind down after another Monday.
<v Speaker 1>Fairy horns blaze faintly in the distance as commuters pull
<v Speaker 1>into their driveways. Tucked away in one of the city's
<v Speaker 1>oldest neighborhoods, one resident on twenty first Avenue has traveled
<v Speaker 1>more than most. After returning home from an out of
<v Speaker 1>state work trip, he steps out of his car and
<v Speaker 1>exhales a sigh of relief, right before noticing that his
<v Speaker 1>trash bins are out by the curb. Eugh with a
<v Speaker 1>pin in the ass. It's one last chore before he
<v Speaker 1>can go inside and relax. He walks over and reaches
<v Speaker 1>for the recycling bind and starts to pull it towards
<v Speaker 1>his house, but immediately stops. It's heavy, and all of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, he's annoyed. The city must have skipped over
<v Speaker 1>his house while he was away. I'll tell you he
<v Speaker 1>just can't find good help these days. When he lifts
<v Speaker 1>the blue lid, he only becomes even more frustrated. Peering
<v Speaker 1>down into the trash can, he sees that there's three
<v Speaker 1>landscape sized trash bags stuffed inside. They didn't even bother
<v Speaker 1>to put it in the right bin. He reaches inside
<v Speaker 1>for the top bag, but when he tries to pull
<v Speaker 1>it out, the tie snaps, causing the barrel to topple
<v Speaker 1>over onto his lawn. Talk about annoying. As he rounds
<v Speaker 1>the front of the bin, his breath catches, and then
<v Speaker 1>he sees it something that can't be mistaken for anything
<v Speaker 1>but a female's foot lying in his driveway. Snahomish County, Washington,
<v Speaker 1>is located less than twenty miles north of Seattle. It's
<v Speaker 1>the kind of place where you'd expect life to be quiet,
<v Speaker 1>forested back roads, small towns, that sort of thing. But
<v Speaker 1>like anywhere else, this area of the Pacific Northwest has
<v Speaker 1>seen its fair share of let's say darkness. Unsolved murders
<v Speaker 1>and a growing list of people who vanished here have
<v Speaker 1>certainly made this region appear a little less pretty. In
<v Speaker 1>June twenty sixteen, that list of missing people got just
<v Speaker 1>a little bit bigger when a twenty seven year old
<v Speaker 1>mother named Jamie Haggard mysteriously disappeared without a trace.
<v Speaker 5>It just seems very unusual that she's Nobody has heard
<v Speaker 5>from her for so long.
<v Speaker 6>It's not like her at all.
<v Speaker 1>The last time anyone saw Jamie was on June ninth,
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen. The next morning, she was scheduled to pick
<v Speaker 1>up her boyfriend from jail. He was said to be
<v Speaker 1>released on misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately for him, he wouldn't be
<v Speaker 1>getting out as early as he thought. He was forced
<v Speaker 1>to find another ride home. When Jamie never showed, I fear.
<v Speaker 7>The most at somebody.
<v Speaker 8>Hurt her.
<v Speaker 9>She doesn't deserve that. She has two little girls, friend,
<v Speaker 9>she is a failing.
<v Speaker 1>When word inevitably reached Jamie's friends and family, they started
<v Speaker 1>calling and texting her phone, but received no answer. When
<v Speaker 1>days turned into a week and they still hadn't heard
<v Speaker 1>from her, Jamie's father finally decided to take the short
<v Speaker 1>drive over to her home in the town of Kenmore.
<v Speaker 1>That was on June seventeenth. Jamie's dad knocked on the
<v Speaker 1>front door, but no one answered. When he felt he
<v Speaker 1>had waited long enough, he picked up the phone and
<v Speaker 1>called the King County Sheriff's Office to report her missing.
<v Speaker 10>We think it's suspicious for a number of reasons. First,
<v Speaker 10>her family says that she usually contacts her mom at
<v Speaker 10>least every other day and they have a conversation. Additionally,
<v Speaker 10>she hasn't used her cell phone since she's been reported missing.
<v Speaker 1>What was even more suspicious was that even though Jamie
<v Speaker 1>was reported missing in late June, the public wasn't made
<v Speaker 1>aware of her disappearance until nearly a month later.
<v Speaker 11>Now, we asked the sheriff's office why it's taken a
<v Speaker 11>month to get this missing person's case out to the public,
<v Speaker 11>and they tell us they were hoping that in the
<v Speaker 11>meantime she would surface, but without any leaves there now
<v Speaker 11>turning to the public for help.
<v Speaker 1>During an early interview with a local news outlet. Jamie's
<v Speaker 1>cousin told reporters that despite their concerns, the family was
<v Speaker 1>still hopeful that Jamie would make a safer turn. I
<v Speaker 1>really hope that.
<v Speaker 9>With all this, hopefully we'll get a phone call from her.
<v Speaker 7>Saying, hey, I'm fine.
<v Speaker 6>You guys can relax. I hope.
<v Speaker 1>So when police attempted a welfare check, the home was vacant.
<v Speaker 1>What they did notice, though, was a large pile of
<v Speaker 1>dirt in the front yard. When authorities walked around the back,
<v Speaker 1>they located a massive hole dug in the yard that
<v Speaker 1>had been recently filled in. Because they didn't have a warrant,
<v Speaker 1>police left any answers. In the days that followed, rumors
<v Speaker 1>started to circulate online. Jamie's sister received several messages on
<v Speaker 1>Facebook from people who claimed to see Jamie alive walking
<v Speaker 1>around downtown Kenmore. After following up on these potential sightings,
<v Speaker 1>driving countless hours throughout northern Washington and traveling as far
<v Speaker 1>as the Canadian border, her family came up empty handed
<v Speaker 1>each time. Unfortunately, as we mentioned earlier, Snohomish County isn't
<v Speaker 1>exactly foreign to folks falling off the face of the earth.
<v Speaker 1>It's practically the edge, So if you wanted to make
<v Speaker 1>someone disappear, this was the place as far as missing
<v Speaker 1>persons go. Dating back to the nineteen sixties, the local
<v Speaker 1>sheriff's office has faced the daunting task of investigating over
<v Speaker 1>sixty five unsolved homicides. To generate leads on such cases,
<v Speaker 1>investigators decided to implement a technique that was previously successful
<v Speaker 1>over three thousand miles away on the East Coast, which,
<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, was a set of playing cards.
<v Speaker 6>The hope is.
<v Speaker 4>Too illicit new chips be in the population because, as
<v Speaker 4>we know, and they tried to talk about each other's crime,
<v Speaker 4>some kind of bag about each other's crime as today
<v Speaker 4>playing cards.
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and five, a special agent with the
<v Speaker 1>Florida Department of Law Enforcement came up with the idea
<v Speaker 1>of printing playing cards that showcased all the people that
<v Speaker 1>were missing in the Sunshine State. Interesting collectible for my murderatorium. Ooh,
<v Speaker 1>can you imagine a sword and scale museum with a
<v Speaker 1>murder themed lounge, murder docs playing all day with murder
<v Speaker 1>themed drinks, and maybe a murder cafe gift shop. Anybody
<v Speaker 1>out there with a lot of money to burn and
<v Speaker 1>background in hospitality, hit me up anyway. Ultimately, Nahomish County
<v Speaker 1>followed suit years later and created a card game of
<v Speaker 1>its own. In two thousand and eight, authorities in Washington
<v Speaker 1>State distributed these cards to inmates and local jails and prisons.
<v Speaker 1>Anyone who happened to come back with information leading to
<v Speaker 1>an arrest or a conviction in these cold cases was
<v Speaker 1>promised a one thousand dollars cash reward. A card game
<v Speaker 1>that actually makes your money take that vegas. Eventually, the
<v Speaker 1>playing card technique was adopted by law enforcement agencies nationwide
<v Speaker 1>because it seemed to be working.
<v Speaker 12>It's a deck of cards that will soon be in
<v Speaker 12>every Idaho prison and most county jails. On each card
<v Speaker 12>a different cold case, whether it be a wanted person,
<v Speaker 12>a missing person, or an unsolved murder.
<v Speaker 1>The car cards generated an impressive amount of tips throughout
<v Speaker 1>the US. This unorthodox marketing gimmick actually worked, and you
<v Speaker 1>imagine that it helped resolve three cold cases in Snohomish
<v Speaker 1>County alone. Unfortunately, Jamies was not one of them. As
<v Speaker 1>creative as the idea was, her face never earned a
<v Speaker 1>spot on the deck of cards, which only led her
<v Speaker 1>loved ones to question the efforts of local law enforcement.
<v Speaker 1>As they often do, authorities kept their cards close to
<v Speaker 1>the vest. Sorry for the pun. Jamie's family was rightfully concerned,
<v Speaker 1>though she was a nurse who rarely misswork and had
<v Speaker 1>two kids who meant the world to her. While the
<v Speaker 1>worry and frustration of her loved ones grew day by day,
<v Speaker 1>that didn't mean investigators didn't already have a person or
<v Speaker 1>persons of interest in the case. You see, long before
<v Speaker 1>Jamie went missing, she had her fair share of problems.
<v Speaker 1>In addition to having a criminal for a boyfriend, she
<v Speaker 1>hung around with some other very let's say, ced characters,
<v Speaker 1>and one of those men was a guy named Jason Nolty.
<v Speaker 9>Can you just say your full name for the recorder?
<v Speaker 2>Jason Todd Malty, okay, and Jason is okay, and I'm
<v Speaker 2>recording this, okay.
<v Speaker 1>Jason Nolty was good friends with Jamie's half brother David Haggard,
<v Speaker 1>with all three living under the same roof. When investigators
<v Speaker 1>followed up on Jason, they learned he had just recently
<v Speaker 1>gotten out of jail, coincidentally for an incident involving Jamie.
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I was ben here probably a month. I
<v Speaker 9>was introduced from a friend to David. They don't real
<v Speaker 9>live or anything. And a couple of weeks have gone by,
<v Speaker 9>and did you have asked me for a place to
<v Speaker 9>stay just for a little bit? I can fall No.
<v Speaker 9>Why did you keep telling him no? Because he's no job.
<v Speaker 9>He didn't have nothing, so basically for free please wasn't productive?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And.
<v Speaker 9>He got to he finally got a job. He asked
<v Speaker 9>me again. I said, look, I'll help you out for
<v Speaker 9>a month. And then you know all they say every month,
<v Speaker 9>you know, they pay me no rent. He's here maybe
<v Speaker 9>two days, loses his job and I go home from
<v Speaker 9>work one day and he's got his girlfriend. Here's his girlfriend, Carly,
<v Speaker 9>same one we talked about it.
<v Speaker 13>Okay.
<v Speaker 9>A couple days later it was his sister Jamie. You
<v Speaker 9>know she's living there. And when was this she started
<v Speaker 9>living here? Probably like May? Yeah, I know, May yeah,
<v Speaker 9>probably May, I guess.
<v Speaker 1>Jason tends to mumble and shoot gump, so if you
<v Speaker 1>didn't catch that. He told investigators that he was the
<v Speaker 1>origin a tenant of the Kenmore home. Then came David,
<v Speaker 1>who was down on his luck and allowed to move
<v Speaker 1>in temporarily while he got back on his feet. A
<v Speaker 1>few months later, David's sister, Jamie, moved in that May.
<v Speaker 1>Less than one month after that, Jamie vanished, never to
<v Speaker 1>be seen again. From the very start of the interview,
<v Speaker 1>police were suspicious of Jason. He'd been arrested for domestic
<v Speaker 1>violence several times in the past, which certainly wasn't doing
<v Speaker 1>him any favors. Even though he was locked up at
<v Speaker 1>the time Jamie went missing, they had a feeling he
<v Speaker 1>knew a lot more than he was letting on. According
<v Speaker 1>to him, this whole ordeal started in early June when
<v Speaker 1>David and Jamie started arguing constantly. One day it was
<v Speaker 1>fighting about the roommates stealing from each other, and the
<v Speaker 1>next it was disputes over who was supposed to be
<v Speaker 1>living there in the first place. While Jason had trouble
<v Speaker 1>remembering certain details, he told investigators that days before Jamie
<v Speaker 1>went missing, she and David got into a physical altercation
<v Speaker 1>in the garage, where David allegedly knocked her unconscious. What
<v Speaker 1>a gentleman. The police were never called, but when Jamie
<v Speaker 1>came to she left the home and told several of
<v Speaker 1>her friends what happened. In the hours that she was away,
<v Speaker 1>Jamie texted David, called him a worthless piece of shit,
<v Speaker 1>and told him to go fuck himself. Jason claimed that
<v Speaker 1>this only infuriated David further, but went on to suggest
<v Speaker 1>that someone else might be involved.
<v Speaker 9>Let me ask you this. You guys know who Scott is, well,
<v Speaker 9>I don't know what Scott's last name up? Barnes, Scott Barnes,
<v Speaker 9>and why do you bring him up?
<v Speaker 6>What's your gut?
<v Speaker 7>Tell you?
<v Speaker 9>I'm gonna tell me Scott did it. Scott did something
<v Speaker 9>to her. Okay, how come you didn't call me with that.
<v Speaker 7>You've told me that you told you David.
<v Speaker 9>Did it, well until me and James sat down and
<v Speaker 9>talked to him, right, Okay, I don't know. I think
<v Speaker 9>I think they both did something. I think they both
<v Speaker 9>know something. That's what I think because of the comments
<v Speaker 9>that Scott had made to me one night.
<v Speaker 1>Scott Barnes was another one of Jason and David's piece
<v Speaker 1>of shit friends, a criminal and self proclaimed Hell's Angel
<v Speaker 1>known to hang out at the ken Moore home. Seems
<v Speaker 1>like garbage attracts more garbage. Apparently, Jamie's brother, David told
<v Speaker 1>Scott that he wanted to kill her following the incident
<v Speaker 1>in the garage, and depending on who you ask, Scott
<v Speaker 1>supported the idea. According to Jason, Scott relayed this comment
<v Speaker 1>to him, who, in turn told investigators during the police interview.
<v Speaker 1>Hours after Jamie was knocked unconscious in her garage, he
<v Speaker 1>returned home. When David awoke on the morning of June
<v Speaker 1>nath he was enraged. According to Jason, that is not
<v Speaker 1>wanting to get involved. Jason said he left the home
<v Speaker 1>only to receive a text message from Jamie's phone. A
<v Speaker 1>few hours later.
<v Speaker 9>I got a text message picture message Jamie tied up
<v Speaker 9>in the tub, tied up, you know, with a caption
<v Speaker 9>says I gotta say I did it. I finally did
<v Speaker 9>to say I can't remember. I'm like, but I did
<v Speaker 9>what you wanted, or I did I can't remember exactly
<v Speaker 9>what It said something I did what you wanted and
<v Speaker 9>now look at her, or something was like what this
<v Speaker 9>is from Jamie's number? Is from Jamie's phone.
<v Speaker 1>Investigators chose not to interrupt him during his interview. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>after all, when someone's burying themselves, let them do it.
<v Speaker 1>And they did notice a potential slip up when he
<v Speaker 1>said that the text message read quote I did what
<v Speaker 1>you wanted hmm interesting, going by his version of events,
<v Speaker 1>After receiving the photo of Jamie tied up in the bathtub,
<v Speaker 1>Jason called police. All authorities were en route to the home.
<v Speaker 1>David called another friend who answered the phone to hear
<v Speaker 1>Jamie's screaming in the background. Meanwhile, David laughed and called
<v Speaker 1>his sister a bitch repeatedly, according to what this friend
<v Speaker 1>told police, he tried to calm David down and asked
<v Speaker 1>if he should come over and help diffuse the situation.
<v Speaker 1>David allegedly responded by stating that it wouldn't be necessary
<v Speaker 1>and that he had quote never been more focused in
<v Speaker 1>his life, whatever the fuck that meant. Minutes later, officers
<v Speaker 1>arrived at Jamie's door. When they tried to contact her,
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't bound and didn't appear to have any visible injuries.
<v Speaker 1>They only spoke with her briefly, but Jamie assured the
<v Speaker 1>officers that she was fine, so they left less than
<v Speaker 1>an hour later. And that's how it always goes with
<v Speaker 1>these sort of situations. It's never just one phone call.
<v Speaker 1>Jason arrives back home and the police are called again,
<v Speaker 1>this time by David. According to Jason, David knew he
<v Speaker 1>had an outstanding warrant for an unrelated twenty fourteen incident
<v Speaker 1>in which she allegedly tried to murder his ex girlfriend
<v Speaker 1>with a hatchet. Yep, yeah yeah, So naturally, David was
<v Speaker 1>pissed that Jason called the cops on him, so to
<v Speaker 1>get back at him, he called the police in retaliation,
<v Speaker 1>like it's a fucking game. When police arrived for their
<v Speaker 1>second visit that day, Jamie was in much worse shape
<v Speaker 1>than she was before. She was in hysterics and had
<v Speaker 1>fresh marks on her face, neck, and arms. Jamie's injuries
<v Speaker 1>were photographed, and pictures were taken of each room of
<v Speaker 1>their home. Jason swore up and down that he never
<v Speaker 1>put his hands on Jamie, but when police took her aside,
<v Speaker 1>she told him that he was the one who had
<v Speaker 1>attacked her, not David.
<v Speaker 9>I don't touch her, you know. So she gave a
<v Speaker 9>statement saying you beat her. I guess, I don't know exactly.
<v Speaker 9>I was told that they both gave statements that I
<v Speaker 9>beat her.
<v Speaker 1>Now, I'm not a polygraph machine, but clearly someone here
<v Speaker 1>is lying. As a result of the bathtub incident, Jason
<v Speaker 1>was taken into custody.
<v Speaker 9>Only the rest of me. I've never seen her again.
<v Speaker 1>According to another witness, Jamie then left the home in
<v Speaker 1>Jason' z accurra and drove to a friend's house, where
<v Speaker 1>she spent the night. While there, she called her boyfriend
<v Speaker 1>in jail. Now here's where it gets confusing. On the
<v Speaker 1>recorded line, Jamie told her boyfriend what happened back at
<v Speaker 1>the house, but never mentioned Jason's name. Instead, she said
<v Speaker 1>that it was David who punched her in the face.
<v Speaker 1>So she told police one thing and then told her
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend something else. He said that David had hit her
<v Speaker 1>as hard as he could in the stomach and that
<v Speaker 1>he'd tried to kill her. Why Jamie provided contradicting statements
<v Speaker 1>to police and her boyfriend is unclear, but more than
<v Speaker 1>likely she was scared. During the jail house call, her
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend pleaded with her not to return to the Kenmore house.
<v Speaker 1>When she woke up at a friend's house the next morning,
<v Speaker 1>on June ninth, she called her boyfriend again. During that call,
<v Speaker 1>she told him she was going anyway and planned to
<v Speaker 1>kick David out for good. As for Jason, he wasn't
<v Speaker 1>being ruled out just yet. Perhaps his only benefit was
<v Speaker 1>that he was locked up hours before Jamie disappeared, and
<v Speaker 1>wasn't released until late June. He was also somewhat cooperative
<v Speaker 1>with police, and told detectives that David had mentioned his
<v Speaker 1>inability to pass a lie detector test. Weird, and Dave
<v Speaker 1>told you.
<v Speaker 7>He wasn't gonna pass a polygraph.
<v Speaker 1>Told investigators, then asked what was up with the hole
<v Speaker 1>in the backyard?
<v Speaker 7>How much of the backyard was dug out other than
<v Speaker 7>that hole?
<v Speaker 9>Look, okay, I dug.
<v Speaker 7>If that mountain front you told me about. What do
<v Speaker 7>you think about that?
<v Speaker 9>I have no idea where the dirt came from. He
<v Speaker 9>had no machines, and it's crazy. Yeah, I have no
<v Speaker 9>idea why why that's that was done? At the same
<v Speaker 9>time the bag was filled in.
<v Speaker 1>Jason elaborated that he dug the hole in an attempt
<v Speaker 1>to fix a broken septic, but when he returned home
<v Speaker 1>from jail, Jamie was gone and the hole had been
<v Speaker 1>filled in.
<v Speaker 9>Look under Look underneath the shed too, of the shed,
<v Speaker 9>looking under the shed too. For some reason, I don't know,
<v Speaker 9>has that come up in a conversation? And you know,
<v Speaker 9>if I heard something, nothing, But now it's not the
<v Speaker 9>time to say, oh nothing, Just right right.
<v Speaker 7>Might be nothing, but if you heard it doesn't mean
<v Speaker 7>that it's true. But you're living here.
<v Speaker 1>The day he was released, Jason said police were already
<v Speaker 1>at the house looking for Jamie. David and his girlfriend
<v Speaker 1>were there, who, Jason claimed, stole some rather interesting items
<v Speaker 1>that belonged to him.
<v Speaker 9>Got inside. All my stuff was gone pretty much. I
<v Speaker 9>mean I have my TV still, I have my video games.
<v Speaker 2>But what was missing?
<v Speaker 9>Okay, by DVR, I have a DVR for my security system.
<v Speaker 9>It's gone. All my camera's still there, but my DVR
<v Speaker 9>is gone. Have you heard what happened to you? Piss
<v Speaker 9>me off? My DVR is gone. All my clothes are gone.
<v Speaker 9>A bunch of my child. I mean, I know what
<v Speaker 9>he did since I was a jail. He went through
<v Speaker 9>my shit, took my shit and sold. Yeah, I made money.
<v Speaker 1>I am Nearly all of Jason's things were gone, not
<v Speaker 1>just his home security system, but his clothes, suitcase, and
<v Speaker 1>even his bed sheets were missing. After about an hour
<v Speaker 1>of speaking with him, Jason gave authorities consent to search
<v Speaker 1>the property. As for David, he had a checkered past
<v Speaker 1>of his own. The now forty two year old had
<v Speaker 1>been in and out of jail since he was a juvenile.
<v Speaker 1>Dating back to nineteen ninety five, David managed to rack
<v Speaker 1>up charges including grand theft, auto burglary, and many many
<v Speaker 1>more things. David's troubles with the law started to ramp
<v Speaker 1>up a year before Jamie disappeared. In twenty fifteen, David
<v Speaker 1>was arrested for unlawful possession of two firearms during a
<v Speaker 1>traffic stop. He was pulled over for driving a stolen vehicle.
<v Speaker 1>When police searched the car, they found a forty four
<v Speaker 1>magnum revolver and a pump action shotgun. As a result,
<v Speaker 1>he served twelve months in prison and was released around
<v Speaker 1>the time he moved into the Kenmore home. With that
<v Speaker 1>being said, there was much more evidence authorities had already
<v Speaker 1>obtained concerning the potential link between David and his sister
<v Speaker 1>Jamie's disappearance, information that investigators weren't willing to reveal until
<v Speaker 1>they got a chance to speak with David themselves. In
<v Speaker 1>early June of twenty sixteen, twenty seven year old Jamie
<v Speaker 1>Haggard mysteriously vanished from her home in Kenmore, Washington, when
<v Speaker 1>she failed to pick up her boyfriend from jail on
<v Speaker 1>Friday the tenth, phone calls and texts went unanswered. A
<v Speaker 1>week later, her father visited the home she shared with
<v Speaker 1>several others, but found no trace of Jamie. After reporting
<v Speaker 1>her missing on June seventeenth, the police search for a
<v Speaker 1>young mother came off as an inconvenience more than a
<v Speaker 1>priority to Jamie's loved ones. Days quickly turned to weeks,
<v Speaker 1>until nearly a month later, when authorities finally acknowledged her
<v Speaker 1>disappearance publicly without the family's knowledge. Investigators had been actively
<v Speaker 1>gathering information behind the scenes. An early interview with Jamie's
<v Speaker 1>roommate Jason Nolty ultimately painted a dark picture that curiously
<v Speaker 1>lacked critical details. Fights, tensions, and violence were just a
<v Speaker 1>few of the red flags. Early on, one name came
<v Speaker 1>to mind out of the mouths of nearly every person
<v Speaker 1>in Jamie's circle, and it made it hard for investigators
<v Speaker 1>to ignore it. That name was David Haggard, her own brother.
<v Speaker 1>Shortly after his so called friend Jason threw him under
<v Speaker 1>the bus, David was brought in for questioning. While he
<v Speaker 1>sat across from three detectives in an interrogation room at
<v Speaker 1>the King's County Sheriff's Department. He was asked to take
<v Speaker 1>a polygraph without a lawyer present. David agreed, but in retrospect,
<v Speaker 1>maybe he shouldn't have.
<v Speaker 2>So I went through my charge. He didn't pass your festiday. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>this is what my computer was. So mean that.
<v Speaker 5>Means probable deception, in the meaning that there's indications that
<v Speaker 5>you're not being truthful with us.
<v Speaker 9>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>David can be seen in the CCTV footage struggling to
<v Speaker 1>comprehend how he failed his polygraph. You could almost see
<v Speaker 1>the gears turning in his dumb head. He doesn't appear
<v Speaker 1>to be reading the graph on the page in front
<v Speaker 1>of him as much as he is thinking of what
<v Speaker 1>to say next.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know you do you know her?
<v Speaker 5>But I know men in your delusion that have been
<v Speaker 5>under suspicion due to circumstances.
<v Speaker 3>We deny and deny and deny, and then but in
<v Speaker 3>the in the end, one or the other and doing.
<v Speaker 2>You know, let's just say it's the legal side of
<v Speaker 2>this thing. What's the crime of disposing of woman? That
<v Speaker 2>ods gross? Mystermeanors? I don't know.
<v Speaker 5>So I'm telling you that because I don't want you
<v Speaker 5>or anybody else. When we figured out about a no
<v Speaker 5>need ath and.
<v Speaker 2>Gods panicked and got running. The body is she's saying,
<v Speaker 2>she did you know something I don't know? I mean
<v Speaker 2>she did.
<v Speaker 3>Well, we do know a lot of things about her
<v Speaker 3>eight years because she's the West way that she's no
<v Speaker 3>longer with us.
<v Speaker 1>Now, what would lead authorities to think such a thing.
<v Speaker 1>Surely Jamie's home life was extremely toxic, but maybe she
<v Speaker 1>just needed some time to cool off and get away
<v Speaker 1>from all the drama.
<v Speaker 7>To be clear, we were still working this case as
<v Speaker 7>though she could still be alive. It was a too
<v Speaker 7>pronged approach. So one approach was, Okay, if she's deceased,
<v Speaker 7>we need to find her remains. If she's alive, we
<v Speaker 7>need to find her.
<v Speaker 1>According to David, the last time he saw Jamie was
<v Speaker 1>on June ninth, when she allegedly walked out of their
<v Speaker 1>home and got into a car with a Mexican man.
<v Speaker 2>You're going to go through this, man. I have nothing
<v Speaker 2>to do with my sister, nothing to do with her disappearing.
<v Speaker 2>That's whatever, man. I love her, Yet I don't know
<v Speaker 2>where she's at.
<v Speaker 9>I don't know where she's at.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the last six months and vistles
<v Speaker 2>taking on with going brown people. I don't know the
<v Speaker 2>messines that she's been hanging out with. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>any of that ship the last two months. I fucking
<v Speaker 2>turn her off pretty much. Your house, No, Is your
<v Speaker 2>phone at your house? No.
<v Speaker 1>David, who's obviously racist, claimed to have no idea where
<v Speaker 1>Jamie or her phone was. Whether he was telling the
<v Speaker 1>truth or not didn't really matter, since the investigators were
<v Speaker 1>currently filing subpoenas for the phone records of various individuals,
<v Speaker 1>they'd find out soon enough, that's for sure.
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that we're doing today is we certainly.
<v Speaker 5>Search for ones on a variety of phone companies, including
<v Speaker 5>your phone, the Gene's home, cleaning some other people's homes
<v Speaker 5>will The reason I say this thing is going to be.
<v Speaker 2>Done today in Salt today, So we're going to know
<v Speaker 2>where she's at today.
<v Speaker 5>We have to clear the people around her from suspicion,
<v Speaker 5>and you're, unfortunately very just got to clear.
<v Speaker 1>According to David, he left a short time after Jamie did,
<v Speaker 1>but when he came home, he noticed a fire smoldering
<v Speaker 1>in a burn pit in their backyard.
<v Speaker 14>When I got home, there was a fire outside of
<v Speaker 14>the Sidergrass store. It was was it was put out.
<v Speaker 14>It wasn't told you what I was just smoke home.
<v Speaker 2>You understand it. That raised SUSPICI in me. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>know what that was about.
<v Speaker 14>I've been thinking about that ever since this fucking investigation
<v Speaker 14>started taking out. Other than that, I don't know anything
<v Speaker 14>else because it was just just, yes, you guys thinking
<v Speaker 14>about that backyard and about why we bury her. You
<v Speaker 14>know very well be bury burn there. You know.
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's just weird. I'm gonna see that. Something
<v Speaker 2>I should say to you. Most guys would have was
<v Speaker 2>starting to burn file. But yeah, you know you are
<v Speaker 2>your burn next to the house. You're your burn next
<v Speaker 2>to the house. Are you seeing this is something different? Yeah? Totally.
<v Speaker 2>Five guys said he was in.
<v Speaker 14>It was in that hole that we have for the
<v Speaker 14>subject has been messed up, Eric, So we tell out
<v Speaker 14>the transplant.
<v Speaker 2>That's how the whole you aready tore up to begin with.
<v Speaker 2>There's a setting was fucked up.
<v Speaker 14>Sir, Yeah, Sue fucked up, stuck up. So I got there,
<v Speaker 14>you know, Like I said, it was just it was weird.
<v Speaker 14>Probably showed up right after me and I even say,
<v Speaker 14>it's under her, you know, like this was she burning
<v Speaker 14>right next the house for it? You know, justcause you know,
<v Speaker 14>you know you didn't think, you know, tell whose fire was.
<v Speaker 14>I thought it was James thought Jamie that's fire?
<v Speaker 5>Was that?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>The day the last time, well, David admitted to filling
<v Speaker 1>the hole. You seem to have trouble answering whether he
<v Speaker 1>or Jamie lit the fire. The kind of a weird
<v Speaker 1>thing to not remember, huh. The more detectives asked about it,
<v Speaker 1>the more upset he became.
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you right now, I don't know where my
<v Speaker 2>sister is. If I did, I would tell you, I
<v Speaker 2>would tell you that she dd in front of me.
<v Speaker 2>I would tell you. I don't know. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Did she had to go fighting with her on the
<v Speaker 2>last time you saw her the dough the day before.
<v Speaker 2>We were fighting in physical No, not any more than
<v Speaker 2>noes that mean, I mean, I mean yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 2>it was forgetting. It was just go at first, but
<v Speaker 2>I mean I was just getting to the truth of
<v Speaker 2>the matter. I mean I was just I was, you know,
<v Speaker 2>on to her. But it was nothing.
<v Speaker 14>There was no fucking violntary. Then the costs came there,
<v Speaker 14>I know, the costs checked her out, and I was
<v Speaker 14>fucking clear. I didn't do anything to her. Twenty four
<v Speaker 14>hours later though, twenty four hours there, she wasn't at home.
<v Speaker 2>She was gone all night.
<v Speaker 9>She's gone all night.
<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll find out when we get the former
<v Speaker 2>ends today. Yeah, well she yeah you will, We'll find
<v Speaker 2>that out.
<v Speaker 1>Without being asked, David decides to bring up the bathroom
<v Speaker 1>incident himself, where he allegedly attacked Jamie and tied her
<v Speaker 1>up in the tub. If you hadn't already guessed, his
<v Speaker 1>story was much different than his buddy Jason's. David goes
<v Speaker 1>on to tell detectives how his sister tried to kill
<v Speaker 1>herself that day before she went missing by swallowing a
<v Speaker 1>bunch of pills. Allegedly, the cops.
<v Speaker 14>Don and at this time, I'm, you know, my sisters,
<v Speaker 14>she's in the bout the whole time, I'm thinking that
<v Speaker 14>she's taking a bunch of pills. And I know she
<v Speaker 14>I don't know what pills she takes, right, I know
<v Speaker 14>she gets gnarly fucking stuff, so I'm not sure.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I went from rage dampethe here.
<v Speaker 14>And and of course I an't call the cops and
<v Speaker 14>sure cal cops with and I get her to fucking
<v Speaker 14>throw over if there any of the savorye want to
<v Speaker 14>see my feorit bt a little.
<v Speaker 2>Sisters and buy my finger offtion.
<v Speaker 15>She's mad at me. You know, I'm thinking, uh, I
<v Speaker 15>guess especially she said no, I'll throw up. You know,
<v Speaker 15>I was gonna take her to the front in the
<v Speaker 15>toower and get her in the shower. I'm on the
<v Speaker 15>point of currently and King County sheriffs or the shrifts.
<v Speaker 2>Are walking up.
<v Speaker 14>So I go back to the bathroom and at this time,
<v Speaker 14>the bathroom door is now open anymore, it's it's partially shut.
<v Speaker 2>I opened the door. Now here's a girl that was
<v Speaker 2>supposed to he took a bunch of pills, was laying
<v Speaker 2>in there, entered fully closed.
<v Speaker 14>At one point the toe was filling up and I
<v Speaker 14>had and I realized that the you know, the little
<v Speaker 14>stopper that stops the water was up, and you know,
<v Speaker 14>I put it down, and you know it slapped her
<v Speaker 14>on her arms and not on my watch.
<v Speaker 2>James, you know you can fucking you better stay with me.
<v Speaker 2>You know what the fuck is?
<v Speaker 5>You know.
<v Speaker 14>So when they came in, they said, we got an
<v Speaker 14>anonymous call that enoymous person received the text message.
<v Speaker 2>The only one I said to text message too was
<v Speaker 2>Jason backs up my Theeriya.
<v Speaker 7>They're playing fucking games here, he's playing it.
<v Speaker 2>He's a manipular here.
<v Speaker 1>Notice how he doesn't bring up the photo of Jamie
<v Speaker 1>tied up in the bathtub, and detectives don't bother to ask.
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of suicide, they were curious about a note they'd
<v Speaker 1>come across during one of their earlier visits to the home.
<v Speaker 2>So Mike Honer just texted me this picture of a
<v Speaker 2>note that he rapped on the garage through his girlfriend.
<v Speaker 2>It's a suicide note in my reading of it, he said.
<v Speaker 1>The suicide note, made out to David's girlfriend, Carly, was
<v Speaker 1>written days before Jamie vanished. Police had already learned that
<v Speaker 1>on June sixth, one of his closest friends found him
<v Speaker 1>in the garage with a chain wrapped around his neck.
<v Speaker 1>Aside from his sister going missing, David had plenty to
<v Speaker 1>be depressed about. I mean, by all accounts, his life
<v Speaker 1>was pretty much shit. Maybe the suicide note meant nothing,
<v Speaker 1>but at the very least it certainly indicated the poor
<v Speaker 1>headspace David was in leading up to Jamie's disappearance. Meanwhile,
<v Speaker 1>Detective Kathleen Decker and the Major Crimes Unit were already
<v Speaker 1>inside the home searching for clues.
<v Speaker 7>I think he may have put her potentially in the
<v Speaker 7>crawl space. We didn't find any evidence of that, but
<v Speaker 7>if she was wrapped, we wouldn't have found any evidence
<v Speaker 7>of that. We did have two HRD dogs work that property,
<v Speaker 7>and both dogs, independent of each other, did have a
<v Speaker 7>behavior change at that CROs space point. In the bedroom.
<v Speaker 7>We also had a mattress leaning up against the wall
<v Speaker 7>there that had some pinpoint drops of blood on it,
<v Speaker 7>which may have been what caused the dogs to react
<v Speaker 7>the way they did.
<v Speaker 1>Kathleen Decker was brought on the case early on, originally
<v Speaker 1>cutting her teeth as a homicide detective. She later became
<v Speaker 1>an expert tracker and processor of outdoor crime scenes.
<v Speaker 7>That's actually the reason I was brought into the Jamie
<v Speaker 7>Haggard case to begin with was because of my familiarity
<v Speaker 7>with search and rescue resources and my familiarity with the process,
<v Speaker 7>so how you organize and coordinate and get a team
<v Speaker 7>together to do a search. And that is why I
<v Speaker 7>was asked to participate and help Detective Bartlett, who was
<v Speaker 7>the lead detective at the time that that Jamie went missing.
<v Speaker 1>In her thirty four years plus with the King's County
<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's Office, she earned her reputation by helping solve some
<v Speaker 1>of Washington's most high profile cold cases. In other words,
<v Speaker 1>if anyone was going to find out what happened to Jamie,
<v Speaker 1>it was her. After failing to find any substantial evidence
<v Speaker 1>inside the ken Moore home, Kathleen directed her team's efforts
<v Speaker 1>outside as they prepared to escavate the backyard.
<v Speaker 2>In fact, that's why we're all out. We're going to
<v Speaker 2>be checking out.
<v Speaker 5>Let's tell you equipment we're going to be doing with
<v Speaker 5>the batter dogs we're going to we're going to be
<v Speaker 5>covering that base today. And if she is found out
<v Speaker 5>there somebody that's explained to do you know you're not
<v Speaker 5>under arrest, right, I haven't done anything. Do you understand
<v Speaker 5>you're not under arrest? I hope you're right it I
<v Speaker 5>wasn't there.
<v Speaker 2>But in the end, if she's somewhere because she laded,
<v Speaker 2>I would assume that it is fun to You've got
<v Speaker 2>the message and you need to talk. Does she die
<v Speaker 2>under other circumstances, will come out.
<v Speaker 1>When David asked for a lawyer. Technically that's it interview over,
<v Speaker 1>at least it should have been. But he keeps talking,
<v Speaker 1>and just like his buddy Jason did, he mentions the
<v Speaker 1>name Scott Barnes.
<v Speaker 5>We got other teams doing other things, but you don't
<v Speaker 5>tell me the story about Scott.
<v Speaker 2>Your suspicions Scott taking her reason because he's like for
<v Speaker 2>admitted that he does. Yes, yes he should. I think.
<v Speaker 1>They were already looking into Scott, but fact that his
<v Speaker 1>name came up certainly raised a few eyebrows. Despite what
<v Speaker 1>they suggest to David, authorities have no proof that Jamie's
<v Speaker 1>debt to make matters worse. The only thing clear was
<v Speaker 1>that David, Jason, and Scott were all liars.
<v Speaker 7>It really was difficult for us as we're trying to
<v Speaker 7>push this forward, dealing with people that by nature, line
<v Speaker 7>is so normal to them that it just happens. And
<v Speaker 7>so a lot of what you hear isn't factual. A
<v Speaker 7>lot of it might be lore, a lot of it
<v Speaker 7>is rumor speculation. So you have to really sort through
<v Speaker 7>all of that to get at what is truth and
<v Speaker 7>what is what's factual.
<v Speaker 1>During this period, bodies turning up left and right across
<v Speaker 1>all of northern Washington, and a lot of them were women.
<v Speaker 1>After a severed foot was found inside a recycling bin
<v Speaker 1>in Seattle, authorities arrived to find even more body parts
<v Speaker 1>in the remaining trash backs, including an arm, a leg,
<v Speaker 1>another foot, and a woman's head. About a week later,
<v Speaker 1>additional remains were discovered in a different trash can nearby.
<v Speaker 16>We are confident that it is connected to last week's
<v Speaker 16>homicide investigation, which was only about three blocks away from
<v Speaker 16>where we're standing right now.
<v Speaker 1>The autopsy suggested that the woman was somewhere in her
<v Speaker 1>late twenties to early forties. Eventually she was identified as
<v Speaker 1>a local nurse and young mother, but it wasn't who
<v Speaker 1>you think in this case.
<v Speaker 17>Forty year old Ingrid Line was lost, a mother of three,
<v Speaker 17>a nurse at Swedish First Hill. She was orted missing
<v Speaker 17>Saturday in Renton, almost exactly two months before Jamie vanished.
<v Speaker 17>The body parts found inside the trash cans were confirmed
<v Speaker 17>to be those of forty year old Ingrid Lynn of Renton, Washington. Luckily,
<v Speaker 17>for David, Ingrid's killer, a man she met online, was
<v Speaker 17>already in custody. Still, the similarities between Ingrid and Jamie
<v Speaker 17>were chilling. If nothing else, it spoke to the dangers
<v Speaker 17>women in this area were facing at the time. During
<v Speaker 17>David's interrogation, detectives decided to push a little harder. They
<v Speaker 17>brought up a few other cases, specifically two women found
<v Speaker 17>stuffed inside suitcases the year before Jesus Man.
<v Speaker 5>Last year we found two fucking people in suitcases because
<v Speaker 5>of their friends, panicked, didn't know to fucking do with
<v Speaker 5>bodies and flowing the chicks up in suitcases and dumblums
<v Speaker 5>cause any you know what I'm saying, just fucking deal it.
<v Speaker 1>Authorities had no reason to believe these cases were connected,
<v Speaker 1>but they did offer their theory on what they thought
<v Speaker 1>it happened to Jamie's right.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's really only two scenarios. You know, beat
<v Speaker 2>someone as likely that house somebody freaked out.
<v Speaker 5>And handing the right or h somebody beat the fuck
<v Speaker 5>out of her and kill her. Whether that happened to
<v Speaker 5>your house or not, I don't know.
<v Speaker 18>I'm just gonna figure out out, and in the end,
<v Speaker 18>I am You're just you're not passing the polygraph, the
<v Speaker 18>simplest holograph we could design for a man like you.
<v Speaker 2>In your position one that you absolutely should pass it.
<v Speaker 2>I don't want a lawyer. I don't want to talk
<v Speaker 2>about player anymore. Okay, let's talk about you if you
<v Speaker 2>want to. You long to be done.
<v Speaker 1>They didn't have enough to hold them, and after asking
<v Speaker 1>for an attorney a second time, the interview was forced
<v Speaker 1>to end while heavy machinery dug up the soil at
<v Speaker 1>his residence a few miles away. David was ordered to
<v Speaker 1>stay away from the Kenmore property for the next several days.
<v Speaker 1>Kathleen and her team comb through piles of burnt trash
<v Speaker 1>and debris, searching for any shred of evidence that might
<v Speaker 1>lead them to Jamie.
<v Speaker 19>Tonight, King County detectives are continuing to look for a
<v Speaker 19>missing Kenmore mother of two. Twenty seven year old Jamie Haggard,
<v Speaker 19>disappeared around June eighth, and they are calling it suspicious.
<v Speaker 1>The Major Crimes Unit worked day and night at the
<v Speaker 1>Kenmore home, using their back host to tear up every
<v Speaker 1>square inch of earth, but after days of relentless excavation,
<v Speaker 1>the only thing they turned up was a pair of
<v Speaker 1>burnt construction coveralls reaking of diesel fuel, which efforts.
<v Speaker 7>Really didn't produce. A whole lot of clues or information
<v Speaker 7>that was going to be terribly helpful. The burned clothing
<v Speaker 7>was certainly odd at the time that we found it,
<v Speaker 7>we didn't know what to make of it, and that
<v Speaker 7>diesel smell was interesting, so we just we took those
<v Speaker 7>items as evidence because they did not fit. There was
<v Speaker 7>no readily explainable reason for them to be there, so
<v Speaker 7>we seize those as evidence. We took photographs and just
<v Speaker 7>kind of noted it.
<v Speaker 1>When the scene was finally cleared, David was allowed to
<v Speaker 1>move back into the home. As investigators widened their search
<v Speaker 1>across both Snah mission King County, tips from the local
<v Speaker 1>community started pouring in.
<v Speaker 7>So we spent a lot of time following up on tips.
<v Speaker 7>People who saw someone who looked like Jamie they thought
<v Speaker 7>it was Jamie seen at this place. At this time,
<v Speaker 7>there were a lot of rumors and amongst the people
<v Speaker 7>that she associated with as to what had happened to her. Hey,
<v Speaker 7>I heard a rumor that she was cut up in
<v Speaker 7>a chipper. Hey I heard a rumor that she was
<v Speaker 7>thrown in the river. Hey I heard. So we had
<v Speaker 7>to follow up on all of these as best as
<v Speaker 7>we could to determine if there was any validity to them. Meanwhile,
<v Speaker 7>we're also conducting numerous searches trying to find her if
<v Speaker 7>in fact she was deceased.
<v Speaker 1>Investigators chased down all these leads but found nothing.
<v Speaker 19>So this week they searched in and all around Arlington
<v Speaker 19>after getting several tips that she was spotted there, but
<v Speaker 19>detectives say it wasn't her. So they are asking everyone
<v Speaker 19>to be on the lookout. And while it's great that
<v Speaker 19>a lot of people have been sharing her photos on Facebook,
<v Speaker 19>detectives are asking you to call nine to one one
<v Speaker 19>or crime stoppers if you have any real information. There's
<v Speaker 19>been a whole lot of time tracking down rumors instead
<v Speaker 19>of dealing with actual facts and people they can interview now.
<v Speaker 19>Last Friday, deputy searched her property, but they came up empty,
<v Speaker 19>even using a back hoe to sift through the piles
<v Speaker 19>of trash in the backyard of the home and are
<v Speaker 19>recently filled in whole as well.
<v Speaker 1>When the phone records finally came back, authorities learning that
<v Speaker 1>on June ninth, twenty sixteen, at one h five pm,
<v Speaker 1>David's girlfriend received a text from Jamie. It was aggressive,
<v Speaker 1>demanding that David leave the house before the weekend was
<v Speaker 1>over and that it better be clean before he was gone.
<v Speaker 1>The tone was completely out of character for Jamie and
<v Speaker 1>even stranger. The text misspelled David's girlfriend's name. When authorities
<v Speaker 1>brought David's girlfriend in for questioning, she revealed that at
<v Speaker 1>around eight forty five on the morning of June ninth,
<v Speaker 1>Jamie walked through the door of the Kenmore home and
<v Speaker 1>confronted her and David. According to her statements to police,
<v Speaker 1>Jamie's creamed at David told him things were going to
<v Speaker 1>be different than that he should either get out of
<v Speaker 1>her way or quote get on down the road. David's
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend also explained that she left the home a short
<v Speaker 1>time later to drive her child to school, leaving Jamie
<v Speaker 1>and David alone in the house and piecing together their timeline,
<v Speaker 1>investigators also learned that Jamie called her boyfriend in jail
<v Speaker 1>at nine thirty two am that same morning. The call
<v Speaker 1>lasted roughly fifteen minutes, where Jamie was heard finalizing her
<v Speaker 1>plans to pick him up the following afternoon. That was
<v Speaker 1>the last time he heard from her. From the time
<v Speaker 1>she spoke with her boyfriend to the time David's girlfriend
<v Speaker 1>received the text message, there's over three and a half
<v Speaker 1>hours of radio silence from Jamie's end. When David's girlfriend
<v Speaker 1>returned to the home at around one thirty pm, Jamie
<v Speaker 1>was gone and David was in the backyard.
<v Speaker 7>We received information from David's girlfriend, Carly, that she had
<v Speaker 7>come home and found David out in the back burning
<v Speaker 7>something or doing something with fire in the area where
<v Speaker 7>we had found those burn clothes, so that kind of fit.
<v Speaker 7>We still didn't really know what that meant, and today
<v Speaker 7>I don't even really know what that was all about.
<v Speaker 7>But I believe it is important, it's related, it's relevant.
<v Speaker 7>I just don't know how it fits in the puzzle.
<v Speaker 1>When David's girlfriend approached him by the burn pit, she
<v Speaker 1>told police that he said Jamie started the fire right
<v Speaker 1>before she walked out the door and left with the
<v Speaker 1>unidentified Mexican man. David's story would later change all together
<v Speaker 1>by allegedly telling other witnesses that there was no Mexican man,
<v Speaker 1>and instead Jamie walked off on foot on Jude ninth,
<v Speaker 1>never to be seen again.
<v Speaker 7>There was some inconsistent statements that David had made about
<v Speaker 7>when he had last seen Jamie. He just seemed to
<v Speaker 7>be a little bit of all over the place, and
<v Speaker 7>it was really David's just inability to keep his story
<v Speaker 7>straight that caused David the most problems.
<v Speaker 1>As for the fire, this wasn't something Jamie was known
<v Speaker 1>to do let alone in the middle of the day.
<v Speaker 1>Something else that stuck out as strange to David's girlfriend
<v Speaker 1>were the items Jamie left behind.
<v Speaker 7>He had left behind some personal effects that most people
<v Speaker 7>went leave behind her. It was like a purse. There
<v Speaker 7>was a phone, her prescription medications, those kinds of things.
<v Speaker 7>It just seemed odd that she would not be coming
<v Speaker 7>back for those items, and so that peaked our interest.
<v Speaker 1>David's girlfriend recalled seeing Jamie's phone on the kitchen counter,
<v Speaker 1>but by the time police finally searched the home, it
<v Speaker 1>was no longer there. Weeks later, on June twenty third,
<v Speaker 1>Jamie's sister also received a strange message. The person on
<v Speaker 1>the other end claimed to be Jamie, stating that she
<v Speaker 1>was fine and just needed some time to figure things out.
<v Speaker 1>But the message wasn't sent from Jamie's phone. Instead, it
<v Speaker 1>came from Jason Nolty's device. It was still behind bars. Weird.
<v Speaker 1>Jamie's sister wanted to believe it was her, while her
<v Speaker 1>family continued searching. Jamie's father posted videos to his Facebook
<v Speaker 1>daily pleading with his daughter to come home.
<v Speaker 9>Send here to the.
<v Speaker 13>Desk, drinking a little glass whiskey, had a nice dinner, missus, Jamie.
<v Speaker 13>I love you.
<v Speaker 1>The clip shows Jamie's father watching an old Western with
<v Speaker 1>the caption that reads doors Unlocked Jamie Honey. Unbeknownst to
<v Speaker 1>Jamie's loved ones in the general public, evidence was still surfacing,
<v Speaker 1>most of which pointed to none other than David. A
<v Speaker 1>friend of his girlfriend eventually came forward and told investigators
<v Speaker 1>that on June ninth or tenth, she witnessed David at
<v Speaker 1>a car wash in a nearby town of Woodinville, driving
<v Speaker 1>Jason nolt Zakura and with him in the car was
<v Speaker 1>his buddy Scott Barnes. Meanwhile, Jamie's father continued to show
<v Speaker 1>up for his daughter, holding her missing person's flyer up
<v Speaker 1>for the local media cameras whenever he had a chance.
<v Speaker 13>I will find you, Jamie. I love you.
<v Speaker 9>That is coming and I'll never stop.
<v Speaker 1>Weeks turned into months, headlines of Jamie's disappearance became few
<v Speaker 1>and far back between, the public interest in Jamie's case
<v Speaker 1>inevitably dwindled and was soon overshadowed by the hot new
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is in the news, probably some local broadcaster
<v Speaker 1>bitching about Trump anyway. Roughly one year after she was
<v Speaker 1>last seen, authorities were able to secure a second warrant
<v Speaker 1>to search Jamie's property, and in May of twenty seventeen,
<v Speaker 1>the yard at the Kenmore home was dug up once again.
<v Speaker 1>This time they focused on a few areas left untouched
<v Speaker 1>during the initial search, a narrow patch of dirt near
<v Speaker 1>the back fence. Shovels hit earth. Cadaver dog circled the
<v Speaker 1>perimeter while a back hoe tore into the ground. Then
<v Speaker 1>a hard clunk, the machine jolts to a stop, and
<v Speaker 1>investigators exchanged glances. The operator stepped down to join Kathleen
<v Speaker 1>and her crew standing at the edge of what's buried
<v Speaker 1>beneath the surface. Jamie Haggard's disappearance in June twenty sixteen
<v Speaker 1>left more questions than answers. When she failed to pick
<v Speaker 1>up her boyfriend from jail, her family knew something was wrong.
<v Speaker 1>Investigator zeroed in on three men, Jamie's roommate Jason, who
<v Speaker 1>was known to be violent towards women, a local biker
<v Speaker 1>named Scott, and Jamie's half brother David. All three had
<v Speaker 1>been on law enforcement's radar long before Jamie vanished. All
<v Speaker 1>their stories were filled with bigger holes than there were
<v Speaker 1>in the backyard, the only common thread being their willingness
<v Speaker 1>to point the finger at each other. There's no honor
<v Speaker 1>amongst thieves, they say, burn pits and ditches. Dug for
<v Speaker 1>a do it yourself sewage repairer quickly became the focus
<v Speaker 1>of the search. All that was found was a pair
<v Speaker 1>of men's coveralls, burnt and reeking of diesel. When the
<v Speaker 1>excavator's buckets struck something. During their second search, they found
<v Speaker 1>nothing but planks of wood and an old TV buried
<v Speaker 1>in the dirt. Who the hell burries a TV in
<v Speaker 1>the dirt? The fuck is wrong with these people?
<v Speaker 20>Who hopes that maybe they would find her somewhere in
<v Speaker 20>there and that didn't happen.
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Jason Nolty, Scott Barnes, and David Haggard remained suspects,
<v Speaker 1>but without a body, law enforcement's hands were tied, so.
<v Speaker 7>We would constantly offer up opportunities for David to meet
<v Speaker 7>with us, to have conversations, to have phone calls. Sometimes
<v Speaker 7>he would engage at other times he would not.
<v Speaker 1>For nearly two years, the investigation went nowhere except in circles,
<v Speaker 1>and the case lingered in limbo. That is, until one
<v Speaker 1>Sunday morning in May of twenty eighteen. It was the
<v Speaker 1>morning of May ninth, and along the desolate stretch of
<v Speaker 1>road that makes up Route five twenty two, a team
<v Speaker 1>of four city workers had just started their normal trash
<v Speaker 1>cleanup along the interstate in Stahomish County, Washington. After hopping
<v Speaker 1>out of their van, the group starts jabbing at the
<v Speaker 1>earth with their litter pickers and grabbing claws to gather
<v Speaker 1>fast food wrappers, another debris strewn across the freeway. What
<v Speaker 1>are these assholes that tossed their burger wrappers out the window?
<v Speaker 1>Seriously get some fucking manners anyway. After making their way
<v Speaker 1>south through the shoulder of downs road, the workers eventually
<v Speaker 1>spread apart to cover more ground. As one man makes
<v Speaker 1>his way to a nearby field, he notices a small
<v Speaker 1>carry on suitcase resting in a patch of overgrown grass
<v Speaker 1>at around seven fifteen am. After hauling a few discarded
<v Speaker 1>tires nearby, he reaches down to pick it up, and
<v Speaker 1>to his surprise, it's heavier than he expects. Still, he
<v Speaker 1>manages to drag it roughly ten feet to the roadside
<v Speaker 1>and leaves it by the guard rail.
<v Speaker 8>It wasn't put in a billion I just left it
<v Speaker 8>out there. I don't want to touch it, no particular reason.
<v Speaker 8>I just didn't carry it on.
<v Speaker 1>After about two more hours of cleaning, the crew hurl
<v Speaker 1>what they think are the last bits of trash bags
<v Speaker 1>into the trailer. By now a few of the crew
<v Speaker 1>members had already gotten back into the van ready to
<v Speaker 1>head to their next location, but before they did, the
<v Speaker 1>man remembers he'd forgotten one last piece, that old suitcase.
<v Speaker 8>I noticed the luggage was pretty heavy, and I had
<v Speaker 8>my picker, little picker, and I kind of disturbed it,
<v Speaker 8>and as.
<v Speaker 2>I picked it up, it just ripped the part.
<v Speaker 8>It just clicked into my head that something was wrong
<v Speaker 8>there because of the amount of work that was involved
<v Speaker 8>into packaging or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>It was in there. I immediately got on my radio and.
<v Speaker 8>Contacted my lead driver and I said to her, I
<v Speaker 8>really hope this is now what I think it is,
<v Speaker 8>but I think this is a body of side of this.
<v Speaker 8>She goes, you gotta be kidding me.
<v Speaker 1>After radioing his supervisor. The man crouches down to the
<v Speaker 1>bag again, and his curiosity gets the better of him.
<v Speaker 2>I opened it up, and I saw the hair, and
<v Speaker 2>I said, go a prep something smiles in there.
<v Speaker 8>I ripped it apart, just to see, you know, hoping
<v Speaker 8>to see a carcase of a deer or something, possibly
<v Speaker 8>a dog. And I opened it some more and we
<v Speaker 8>left it alone and called the sheriff department.
<v Speaker 1>After nearly vomiting from the stench, the worker runs to
<v Speaker 1>the van, where he joins the rest of the crew
<v Speaker 1>while they wait for the police to arrive. Within minutes,
<v Speaker 1>the area was swarmed with Sheriff's deputies. Once the perimeter
<v Speaker 1>was secured, they made their way towards a suitcase and
<v Speaker 1>started peeling back the layers. The first was a black
<v Speaker 1>trash bag with a distinct blue plastic tie. Inside it
<v Speaker 1>was commercial grade construction wrap, and final layer was a
<v Speaker 1>burnt red bed sheet partially stained with blood. It's at
<v Speaker 1>this point that authorities know this is no dead dog. Instead,
<v Speaker 1>they're looking at a pile of human bones inside the back.
<v Speaker 7>At the point that I learned about this, I just
<v Speaker 7>knew it was Jamie. I just knew it was her.
<v Speaker 1>Whoever this person was. It was obvious they'd been out
<v Speaker 1>there for a while, but preliminarily making an identification seems impossible,
<v Speaker 1>not only because they'd been subjected to the elements for
<v Speaker 1>what appeared to be months, if not years, but the
<v Speaker 1>skull and other various body parts were missing.
<v Speaker 7>I believe that there were parts of her hands and
<v Speaker 7>feet that were missing. She had been dismembered, she had
<v Speaker 7>been burned. There may have been some disarticulation that occurred
<v Speaker 7>to just naturally from the decomposition process.
<v Speaker 1>Also in the suitcase, where several pieces of melted hard
<v Speaker 1>plastic along with a necklace attached to a small round pendant.
<v Speaker 1>Once the remains were transported to the medical examiner's office,
<v Speaker 1>the autopsy results didn't yield much information aside from what
<v Speaker 1>investigators already knew. Only from a partial pelvic bone were
<v Speaker 1>they able to eventually determine the gender. While the female
<v Speaker 1>Jane Doe had an age range of twenty four to
<v Speaker 1>forty four years old, it was still a great deal
<v Speaker 1>of work to.
<v Speaker 7>Be done, so we basically had to peel back everything
<v Speaker 7>and look at every single thing that we could determine
<v Speaker 7>if it had any forensic value. Could we get anything
<v Speaker 7>from any of this Fingerprints were going to be out
<v Speaker 7>because of kind of how it was all compressed, and
<v Speaker 7>it was just a mucky mess. We talked about DNA extraction.
<v Speaker 7>There was human hair, Could we get DNA from the hare?
<v Speaker 7>So we had discussions about that. It was the site
<v Speaker 7>of the best opportunity for DNA is going to be
<v Speaker 7>just bone extraction from the femur that was in the suitcase,
<v Speaker 7>which is what we ultimately ended up doing.
<v Speaker 1>DNA testing would take several more weeks. While waiting for
<v Speaker 1>the results, Kathleen Decker revisited the evidence locker several times.
<v Speaker 1>After laying out the burnt items on a stainless steel table,
<v Speaker 1>she placed a series of photographs next to them, searching
<v Speaker 1>for any clue that she may have missed. In one
<v Speaker 1>police photo taken during the domestic incident the day before
<v Speaker 1>Jamie vanished, she's seen wearing a pendant necklace. In another
<v Speaker 1>taken inside Jason's room, were red bed sheets seen covering
<v Speaker 1>his mattress. After comparing the images to the items found
<v Speaker 1>in the suitcase, they appeared to be a match, but
<v Speaker 1>because they were so damaged, investigators had no way to
<v Speaker 1>be sure. In cases like this, DNA is everything, and
<v Speaker 1>the bone fragment analysis was their last hope. When the
<v Speaker 1>results were finally returned, they confirmed the grim truth. Jamie
<v Speaker 1>did leave her home, but only after she was murdered, dismembered, considerated,
<v Speaker 1>stuffed in a suitcase, and left to rot by the
<v Speaker 1>interstate who details today we learned the remains of a
<v Speaker 1>missing mother identified yesterday were found inside a suitcase. When
<v Speaker 1>Jamie's remains were positively identified in July of twenty eighteen,
<v Speaker 1>you would think that's it case closed. Authorities had their suspects,
<v Speaker 1>surely they had enough to charge at least one of
<v Speaker 1>them with murder. Right, Well, not really. Even though Jamie
<v Speaker 1>he was the confirmed victim of a brutal homicide, investigators
<v Speaker 1>still had a pretty hefty burden of proof to overcome. Luckily,
<v Speaker 1>for Jason Noulty, he was behind bars at the time
<v Speaker 1>Jamie was last seen, But did he help facilitate a
<v Speaker 1>plot to kill her before he was locked up.
<v Speaker 7>We told Jason right from the get go that the
<v Speaker 7>best thing that ever happened to him was the fact
<v Speaker 7>that he went to jail for a crime he didn't commit.
<v Speaker 7>On June twenty sixteen, because He literally was physically incapable
<v Speaker 7>of having killed Jamie. He was in jail.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fine, But what about Scott Barnes, the Hell's Angel,
<v Speaker 1>the one everyone keeps mentioning Allegedly he was in favor
<v Speaker 1>of getting rid of Jamie before he and David were
<v Speaker 1>seen scrubbing down the Accura at the car wash. Were
<v Speaker 1>all three guilty or did David act alone Scott Barnes?
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, he was definitely a character to be concerned with,
<v Speaker 7>in part because David was saying, hey, Scott did it. Well, okay,
<v Speaker 7>that's great, but we need a little bit more information.
<v Speaker 7>Why do you say that, you know, give us something
<v Speaker 7>besides the fact that Scott's a bad dude that is
<v Speaker 7>crazy violent. You know, I need more than that. So
<v Speaker 7>we were always open to that being a possibility, and
<v Speaker 7>we had to try to eliminate Scott as best we could.
<v Speaker 7>And the only way you can really do that is
<v Speaker 7>through interviews, you know, potentially polygraphs, those kinds of things,
<v Speaker 7>and evidence. I mean, is there any physical evidence to
<v Speaker 7>link Scott Barnes to Jamie's murder? And there there really
<v Speaker 7>wasn't that. You know, everything kept coming back to David
<v Speaker 7>and the Ken Moore House.
<v Speaker 1>Something else investigators were forced to consider were the ongoing
<v Speaker 1>statements from Jamie's own family, her sister in particular, outwardly
<v Speaker 1>to belief that David had nothing to do with it. Sure,
<v Speaker 1>he had a long rap sheet and short views, but
<v Speaker 1>so did all his friends. He and Jamie also had
<v Speaker 1>repeated arguments and sometimes physical altercations about their living situation,
<v Speaker 1>But according to the victim's sister, that didn't mean that
<v Speaker 1>he killed Jamie. In her eyes, David was a good
<v Speaker 1>man and a good brother, despite his troubled past. Let's
<v Speaker 1>face it, no one wants to believe that a family
<v Speaker 1>member could kill one of their own. Denial is more
<v Speaker 1>than just a river in Egypt. It's one hell of
<v Speaker 1>a drug. But despite the incriminating text messages, the red
<v Speaker 1>bed sheets, the fires and all the other stuff, all
<v Speaker 1>this evidence was circumstantial. Unfortunately, when someone turns up dead,
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter what you think you know. What matters
<v Speaker 1>is what you can prove in court. If this case
<v Speaker 1>was ever going to be solved, investigators had to get creative,
<v Speaker 1>not by playing a missing person's card game, but by
<v Speaker 1>finding something concrete, something substantial. They had to fight fire
<v Speaker 1>with fire.
<v Speaker 20>This is a horrible case. I mean, Jamie was very tragic.
<v Speaker 20>She had two daughters, and you know, as a family
<v Speaker 20>that cares a lot about her, So something like this
<v Speaker 20>is heartbreaking and you know, to get a little bit
<v Speaker 20>of closure to find at least her remains. But we
<v Speaker 20>still have a lot of work to do because we
<v Speaker 20>still need to find out who's responsible for this.
<v Speaker 1>Unable to charge David with murder, investigators started looking at
<v Speaker 1>some of the other crimes he was suspected of committing.
<v Speaker 1>About four months before Jamie went missing, on February of
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen, he allegedly broke into a mobile home in
<v Speaker 1>the town of Duval that stole a refrigerator in other appliances.
<v Speaker 1>Later that same day, he returned to the mobile home,
<v Speaker 1>crawled underneath the trailer, and let two cushions on fire,
<v Speaker 1>causing it to burned to the ground. Then, just days
<v Speaker 1>before Jamie vanished, David was suspected of another fire. On
<v Speaker 1>June fifth, he allegedly broke into a construction yard where
<v Speaker 1>he and Jamie's father worked in the nearby town of Woodenville.
<v Speaker 1>According to Jamie's father, David had easy access to heavy
<v Speaker 1>machinery there, but also materials like commercial grade construction wrap
<v Speaker 1>for example, you know the kind that Jamie's body was
<v Speaker 1>found in in the suitcase. During this incident, he allegedly
<v Speaker 1>used a one hundred and forty thousand dollars forklift to
<v Speaker 1>steal a commercial welder by loading it on the back
<v Speaker 1>of his truck. He then proceeded to dump gasoline into
<v Speaker 1>the forklift's cab before setting it a blaze. Ultimately, David's
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend and his roommate Jason, both rotted him out to police,
<v Speaker 1>claiming David bragged to them about the fires, but he
<v Speaker 1>was never charged in Washington. Imagine that. Not long after
<v Speaker 1>Jamie's remains were identified, investigators received another tip, this time
<v Speaker 1>from David's uncle. According to him, the same day Jamie
<v Speaker 1>went missing, David called him and said he was hiding
<v Speaker 1>out in an abandoned barn. When investigators revisited the area
<v Speaker 1>where Jamie's remains were found, they noticed a dilapidated barn
<v Speaker 1>less than one hundred yards away. After combing through the
<v Speaker 1>abandoned structure, they found another burnt site, a melted gas canister,
<v Speaker 1>and a black trash bag with blue plastic ties consistent
<v Speaker 1>with the one they found in the suitcase. These were
<v Speaker 1>all pieces of a much larger puzzle, but so much
<v Speaker 1>time had already passed. The longer investigators waited, the more
<v Speaker 1>time David and his friends had to potentially destroy more evidence.
<v Speaker 1>Not willing to let that happen, Kathleen Decker submitted her
<v Speaker 1>probable cause affid David, and in October of twenty eighteen,
<v Speaker 1>David was arrested for arson. Roughly one year later, right
<v Speaker 1>before he was set to be released, his charges were
<v Speaker 1>upgraded to second degree murder.
<v Speaker 6>Today, prosecutors charged Jamie's older brother, David, with her murder.
<v Speaker 6>They say the siblings, who lived together, had a history
<v Speaker 6>of violence. Twice police dug up the yard at the
<v Speaker 6>home they shared searching for clues. After her disappearance, Friends
<v Speaker 6>and roommates say David threatened to kill Jamie and beat
<v Speaker 6>her up repeatedly, at one point hitting her hard enough
<v Speaker 6>to knock her out.
<v Speaker 1>It took roughly three years to charge Jamie's half brother
<v Speaker 1>with murder, but a charge doesn't always mean a conviction.
<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, authorities were forced to explain why the
<v Speaker 1>hell their investigation took so long.
<v Speaker 20>All the witnesses were very suspicious of David, but we
<v Speaker 20>had to get to a point where we actually had
<v Speaker 20>problem cause to make to feel that he was actually
<v Speaker 20>responsible for the murder.
<v Speaker 1>Although a trial date had been set and David was
<v Speaker 1>behind bars, investigators were far from finished building their case.
<v Speaker 1>Over a year later, in December of twenty nineteen, Kathleen
<v Speaker 1>Decker made one last visit to the evidence locker. She
<v Speaker 1>wasn't interested in bed sheets. Instead, she wanted another look
<v Speaker 1>at the burnt plastic fragments found in the suitcase. Early on,
<v Speaker 1>investigators suspected that these may have been pieces of a
<v Speaker 1>cell phone, but it was so badly damaged they assumed
<v Speaker 1>it was useless. That's when Kathleen spotted something. A tiny
<v Speaker 1>section of what looked like a melted motherboard fused into
<v Speaker 1>a piece of shrapnel.
<v Speaker 7>So we were steinied for a little bit of time
<v Speaker 7>until we were able to identify someone through the fbi
<v Speaker 7>I that was able to provide us that ability, and
<v Speaker 7>we were really happy when we heard that there was
<v Speaker 7>someone out there in the world that could potentially do
<v Speaker 7>something with this, and that was huge when that happened.
<v Speaker 1>Roughly three years after Jamie's disappearance, the destroyed plastic was
<v Speaker 1>finally set to the forensic experts at Quantico, Virginia. Even
<v Speaker 1>the technicians working for the FBI characterized this as one
<v Speaker 1>of the most damaged phones they'd ever seen. Somehow, after
<v Speaker 1>months of trying, they successfully extracted some data. In April
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, the recovered contents were handed back to investigators
<v Speaker 1>in Washington with confirmation that it was in fact Jamie's phone,
<v Speaker 1>and buried within a cash of binary code was a
<v Speaker 1>voice memo, but it wasn't Jamie. Instead, a voice recorded
<v Speaker 1>on her device was a man's later determined to be
<v Speaker 1>her half brother, David. Not only that, but the voice
<v Speaker 1>memo was an exact replica of the text message sent
<v Speaker 1>to David's girlfriend from Jamie's device on June ninth, but
<v Speaker 1>instead it was an audio form. The timestamps were also
<v Speaker 1>a match. Investigators theorized that David must have used the
<v Speaker 1>speech to text function to compose the message and accidentally
<v Speaker 1>saved an audio version while pretending to be Jamie, who
<v Speaker 1>by that point was already dead. A selfie was also
<v Speaker 1>recovered from the device. It was a photo of David
<v Speaker 1>with his eyes wide, pupils dilated, and sweat dripping from
<v Speaker 1>his forehead. Investigator's reference wooden beams in the background of
<v Speaker 1>the image, verifying that the photo was taken inside the
<v Speaker 1>Kenmore home, possibly minutes after Jamie was killed. The data
<v Speaker 1>recovered from Jamie's phone, combined with all the other evidence
<v Speaker 1>that took years to piece together, finally gave prosecutors the
<v Speaker 1>confidence to bring their case to court. At his trial
<v Speaker 1>in September of twenty twenty two, the state laid out
<v Speaker 1>the brutal details of Jamie's death, how she was likely beaten, dismembered, burned,
<v Speaker 1>stuffed into a suitcase, and dumped on the side of
<v Speaker 1>the road. Forensic analysis linked the red bed sheets from
<v Speaker 1>the suitcase to Jason Nolty's bed. Witness testimony placed David
<v Speaker 1>at the car wash scrubbing down the Acura following Jamie's disappearance.
<v Speaker 1>Text messages and recovered voice memos captured David's voice. All
<v Speaker 1>of this was crucial in court. Despite all the evidence,
<v Speaker 1>there was no smoking gun, there was no murder weapon. Still,
<v Speaker 1>Kathleen Decker, who had worked for years on this case,
<v Speaker 1>was confident that the jury would make the right decision.
<v Speaker 7>I felt really solid about this case, and I trusted
<v Speaker 7>that our justice system was going to work. I trusted
<v Speaker 7>that the jury was going to hear the facts that
<v Speaker 7>they needed to hear to come to the right conclusion.
<v Speaker 7>So I didn't feel like he was going to get
<v Speaker 7>away with it.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why.
<v Speaker 7>I just felt like, No, we did our job. We
<v Speaker 7>worked really hard. This is going to come out the
<v Speaker 7>way it's supposed to come out.
<v Speaker 1>Her intuition was right, and after weeks of testimony, David
<v Speaker 1>Haggard was found guilty of second degree murder. Head of sentencing,
<v Speaker 1>Jamie's family members provided victim impact statements. Her sister, who
<v Speaker 1>wanted desperately to believe David all along, expressed how Jamie's
<v Speaker 1>children would not only grow up without a mother, but
<v Speaker 1>without their uncle as well.
<v Speaker 21>You might not think that this is fair, but it's
<v Speaker 21>not fair for Maddie and Dilley either. They missed their mom.
<v Speaker 21>They don't even remember the things I remember. It's not
<v Speaker 21>fair that my kids don't grow up get to grow
<v Speaker 21>up with their aunt Jamie or their uncle Davy. It's
<v Speaker 21>not fair their choices, these choices to our whole family apart.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, did you think this case was going to be
<v Speaker 1>wrapped up neatly? What do you think this is forensic files.
<v Speaker 1>Forty eight year old David was later sentenced to fifteen
<v Speaker 1>years in prison, the punishment that Jamie's family said would
<v Speaker 1>never truly bring them closure. Jamie Haggard's case was filled
<v Speaker 1>with dead ends and frustrating false life. It took over
<v Speaker 1>six years to go to trial, but that doesn't mean
<v Speaker 1>everyone involved face consequences. Despite their proximity to this case,
<v Speaker 1>Jason Maulty and Scott Barnes were never charged with a crime.
<v Speaker 1>Justice is a real elusive bitch. Sometimes justice is like
<v Speaker 1>that ex that dumped you after saying she loved you
<v Speaker 1>and then ghosts you, and that's it. There's nothing else
<v Speaker 1>you can do.
<v Speaker 9>Yep.
<v Speaker 1>Justice is a real cut Now, that doesn't.
<v Speaker 7>Mean that there isn't out there someone else who had involvement.
<v Speaker 7>I'm not gonna say that David is solely involved and responsible.
<v Speaker 7>It's possible there might be others out there. We were
<v Speaker 7>never able to make a case strong enough to charge
<v Speaker 7>anyone else, and of course David was never able to
<v Speaker 7>give us any information beyond well, Scott did it, okay, Well,
<v Speaker 7>why are you saying, give me something I can work with,
<v Speaker 7>something that's tangible. And he never was able to do that.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.
<v Speaker 7>There's definitely more to the story than what we know.
<v Speaker 7>There's other chapters that we haven't yet addressed or figured out.
<v Speaker 7>And let me also say, to this day, and we
<v Speaker 7>don't know where her head is. Her head was not
<v Speaker 7>in the suitcase, so that is somewhere out there. I
<v Speaker 7>hope and pray that at some point and someday we
<v Speaker 7>will have that recovered. Is it's important for the family
<v Speaker 7>to have all of her back and maybe at some
<v Speaker 7>point we'll we'll get that.
<v Speaker 1>Before we let Kathleen go, we wanted to know what
<v Speaker 1>she thought happened that Jamie. Her personal theory never reached
<v Speaker 1>the media, nor was it present in court, but in
<v Speaker 1>terms of motive, it might just be even more disgusting
<v Speaker 1>than the murder and dismemberment itself.
<v Speaker 4>So we had.
<v Speaker 7>Information from one of Jamie's friends that Jamie had been
<v Speaker 7>raped by David, and we knew David had raped Carly
<v Speaker 7>before she disclosed that to us. So we had reason
<v Speaker 7>to believe that Jamie and David had an incestuous relationship
<v Speaker 7>and that that had been going on for several years.
<v Speaker 7>He was very jealous of her, jealous of any boyfriends
<v Speaker 7>that she had, which is why I think that argument
<v Speaker 7>probably happened on the ninth. There's no doubt that there
<v Speaker 7>is that relationship going on between the two of them.
<v Speaker 1>Bet you didn't see that one coming. Forensic files, eat
<v Speaker 1>your heart out.
<v Speaker 7>So I think probably what happened is that David and
<v Speaker 7>Jamie got into another argument. We know she'd been on
<v Speaker 7>the phone with her boyfriend who was in jail due
<v Speaker 7>to get out, and that she was supposed to pick
<v Speaker 7>him up, that she was going to move him into
<v Speaker 7>the Kenmore house. So I think that David may have
<v Speaker 7>sexually assaulted Jamie. I think that during that that he
<v Speaker 7>strangled her. I think that after he ended up killing her,
<v Speaker 7>he may have panicked a little bit because he would
<v Speaker 7>have known that Carly was due home. Carly had left
<v Speaker 7>that morning to drop off her child at school, because
<v Speaker 7>it was eight thirty ish in the morning, and Carly
<v Speaker 7>was due back home noon ish, and Carly was delayed
<v Speaker 7>coming home because she had stopped at a store on
<v Speaker 7>the way home. So I think what he did at
<v Speaker 7>that point was somehow wrapped the body up in the
<v Speaker 7>sheet that he got off of Jason's bed. I think
<v Speaker 7>cutting her up was probably just ease of transport. That's
<v Speaker 7>typically why we see somebody utilize this memberment. It just
<v Speaker 7>makes it easier for transportation. So I think that's probably
<v Speaker 7>why he did that put her in the suitcase. I
<v Speaker 7>think the suitcase came from the house there in ken Moore.
<v Speaker 7>And would it surprise me to learn later on that
<v Speaker 7>Scott had not only knowledge, but participated in some way,
<v Speaker 7>shape or form before the fact, or in the factor
<v Speaker 7>after the fact. No, it wouldn't. I don't know if
<v Speaker 7>we ever will get to that point. But that's still
<v Speaker 7>another mystery.
<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ, how's that for an ending violent offenders? Habitual
<v Speaker 1>lies and incest of all things, or just a few
<v Speaker 1>of the potential factors that make Jamie's murder a mysterious
<v Speaker 1>one almost nine years later? These back road country white
<v Speaker 1>folk or something else, I'll tell you. I mean, I
<v Speaker 1>do love cracker Barrel, But damn, like Kathleen said, we
<v Speaker 1>might never actually find out what really happened to Jamie
<v Speaker 1>that day. Still you have to wonder did justice really prevail?
<v Speaker 5>There?
<v Speaker 1>Is this case just another reminder that some people are
<v Speaker 1>better at getting away with murder than others. Either way,
<v Speaker 1>it sure does make you look at this case a
<v Speaker 1>little differently when you remember what David.
<v Speaker 2>Said, I have nothing to do.
<v Speaker 1>Yet, ew ew ew gross. Well that's gonna do it.
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go watch some cartoons. This episode was written
<v Speaker 1>and produced by Mike Dunfie. If you like what we
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