186 | Meeting Children Where They Are: The Power of Child-Centered Play Therapy
Play Therapy Podcast: A Master-Class in Child-Centered Play Therapy
In this episode of the Play Therapy Podcast, I continue the Summer School Series by exploring Garry Landreth's Play Therapy: The Art of the Relationship, fourth edition. I discuss how play serves as a vital medium of communication for children, allowing them to express feelings and attitudes that may be too difficult to articulate verbally. As therapists, it's essential to meet children at their level, rather than imposing verbal or cognitive demands, which can create barriers in the therapeutic relationship. By letting children lead through play, we empower them to work through their struggles in their own way, building long-term coping skills and resilience.
I also share insights from Bettelheim, emphasizing how even the most well-adjusted children encounter overwhelming challenges, and through symbolic play, they can gradually learn to cope. This episode serves as a reminder of the importance of non-directive play therapy and the significant impact it has on a child's development. My hope is that this discussion reignites your passion for child-centered play therapy and encourages you to stay grounded in the principles that make it so effective.
Episode Reference: Landreth, G.L. (2023). Play Therapy: The Art of the Relationship (4th ed.). Routledge.
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Common References: Cochran, N., Nordling, W., & Cochran, J. (2010). Child-Centered Play Therapy (1st ed.). Wiley. VanFleet, R., Sywulak, A. E., & Sniscak, C. C. (2010). Child-centered play therapy. Guilford Press. Landreth, G.L. (2023). Play Therapy: The Art of the Relationship (4th ed.). Routledge. Bratton, S. C., Landreth, G. L., Kellam, T., & Blackard, S. R. (2006). Child parent relationship therapy (CPRT) treatment manual: A 10-session filial therapy model for training parents. Routledge/Taylor & Francis Group. Benedict, Helen. Themes in Play Therapy. Used with permission to Heartland Play Therapy Institute.
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0 00:00:00,409 --> 00:00:04,289 You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks. 1 00:00:04,300 --> 00:00:08,119 Your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching. 2 00:00:08,460 --> 00:00:10,750 Hi, I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks, The Kid Counselor. 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,869 This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,260 a master class in child-centered play therapy 5 00:00:15,409 --> 00:00:17,750 and practical support and application for your 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,760 work with children and their families. 7 00:00:19,889 --> 00:00:23,409 In today's episode, I am continuing the summer school series 8 00:00:23,850 --> 00:00:26,360 and in probably several weeks, 9 00:00:26,370 --> 00:00:29,049 we'll be wrapping this up because we'll be hitting September soon. 10 00:00:29,059 --> 00:00:29,469 But 11 00:00:29,879 --> 00:00:34,330 in the meantime, I'm going to continue to read sections from seminal works 12 00:00:34,750 --> 00:00:36,360 in the child-centered space. 13 00:00:36,369 --> 00:00:40,529 And today I'm reading out of Play Therapy, Art of the Relationship, fourth edition 14 00:00:41,029 --> 00:00:41,619 by Garry 15 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:41,950 Landreth. 16 00:00:42,630 --> 00:00:43,549 And by the way, 17 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,419 I wanted to let you all know some of you have reached out and said 18 00:00:46,430 --> 00:00:51,380 that this summer school series has been so helpful to you and so impactful. 19 00:00:51,389 --> 00:00:55,319 Many of you said you're actually buying the books and starting to read them now 20 00:00:55,669 --> 00:00:59,369 and I'm so encouraged by that. That is actually the reason why 21 00:00:59,509 --> 00:01:00,650 that I did this. 22 00:01:00,950 --> 00:01:04,330 It was my hope that it would inspire you to 23 00:01:04,629 --> 00:01:08,639 if you're going to want to be a child-centered play therapist at the highest level 24 00:01:08,980 --> 00:01:13,650 to recognize that we have to go back to the basics and the beginning 25 00:01:13,930 --> 00:01:20,669 and not let dilutions and changes and evolutions in the field become our focus. 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,540 We have to go back to the beginning 27 00:01:22,699 --> 00:01:24,809 and look at the groundwork that was laid 28 00:01:24,919 --> 00:01:29,730 and that comes from these texts that were written in the eighties and nineties. So 29 00:01:30,199 --> 00:01:33,550 I'm so happy to hear that many of you have started buying the 30 00:01:33,690 --> 00:01:36,029 books and started reading them and that this has 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,760 been helpful for you as a summer school series. 32 00:01:38,769 --> 00:01:41,209 So thanks for the feedback. I always like to hear 33 00:01:41,419 --> 00:01:43,610 if what we're doing is working and helpful. 34 00:01:43,620 --> 00:01:47,449 And so if you ever want to reach out, share your thoughts with me, ask questions, 35 00:01:47,489 --> 00:01:50,360 have me answer one of your questions on an episode. 36 00:01:50,459 --> 00:01:53,230 You can reach me at brenna@thekidcounselor.com 37 00:01:53,610 --> 00:01:55,669 and by the way, if you're new to the podcast, 38 00:01:55,870 --> 00:02:00,599 so glad you're here. I know every single day someone else finds the podcast. 39 00:02:00,830 --> 00:02:01,709 So welcome. 40 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,830 If you are new, really, really happy, 41 00:02:03,839 --> 00:02:06,720 you found us happy that you are interested in child-centered, 42 00:02:06,730 --> 00:02:11,149 play therapy and happy that you are trying to become a better clinician. 43 00:02:11,470 --> 00:02:14,770 If this is your first episode or one of your first few, 44 00:02:14,779 --> 00:02:19,789 please know that the summer school se series is a stand alone series. 45 00:02:19,979 --> 00:02:25,649 And historically, we have gone through curriculum in chronological need order. 46 00:02:25,860 --> 00:02:28,639 So what I mean by that is you need to go back and start at 47 00:02:28,649 --> 00:02:34,244 episode one and listen in order to really benefit from the content of the podcast. 48 00:02:34,604 --> 00:02:36,835 And if you have been around with me forever, 49 00:02:36,845 --> 00:02:40,785 I know there are those of you out there that have listened to every episode 50 00:02:41,085 --> 00:02:43,024 actually several times. Some of you. 51 00:02:43,274 --> 00:02:47,524 And I know there are those of you that have never missed one episode. So we have 52 00:02:47,725 --> 00:02:51,104 everyone in between so fresh to the podcast, 53 00:02:51,115 --> 00:02:53,914 those that have been with me from the beginning and that have heard everyone 54 00:02:54,130 --> 00:02:57,800 and really, I can't tell you how much I appreciate each and every one of you. 55 00:02:57,809 --> 00:02:59,070 How grateful I am for you. 56 00:02:59,330 --> 00:03:03,309 You really truly add a lovely element to my week 57 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,089 when I get to sit down and do podcast episodes. 58 00:03:06,100 --> 00:03:06,389 So 59 00:03:06,589 --> 00:03:09,869 grateful for you. Thanks for listening. All right. So let's dive into this. 60 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:15,179 I'm actually reading three sections of the same section. 61 00:03:15,380 --> 00:03:17,009 Does that make any sense? 62 00:03:17,399 --> 00:03:22,270 So, I'm in the first chapter and I'm on pages 9, 10 and 11, 63 00:03:22,869 --> 00:03:26,449 but I'm not reading it straight through. So this section, 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,110 I'm actually going to go through 65 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,059 several different sections of a section. I don't know if that makes any sense. 66 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:38,050 But anyway, pages 9, 10 and 11, that's all you need to know if you need to find it. 67 00:03:38,179 --> 00:03:38,869 Ok. 68 00:03:39,110 --> 00:03:40,589 So let's start with the first one 69 00:03:41,070 --> 00:03:43,970 and let's let me kind of set the stage a little bit. 70 00:03:44,220 --> 00:03:46,479 Oh, I'm so sorry, I'm telling you a lie. 71 00:03:46,490 --> 00:03:48,850 It's actually the start of chapter two that I'm reading from. 72 00:03:48,860 --> 00:03:51,309 So I'm sorry, it was chapter two, the meaning of play. 73 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,389 And this is kind of giving back story on why children need to play 74 00:03:57,119 --> 00:03:59,910 and why we provide play therapy for kids. 75 00:04:01,589 --> 00:04:04,050 So that's the back story of what is leading 76 00:04:04,059 --> 00:04:06,600 to these particular passages that I'm going to read. 77 00:04:06,899 --> 00:04:08,509 Ok. So from chapter nine 78 00:04:09,139 --> 00:04:11,410 play is a medium of exchange 79 00:04:11,940 --> 00:04:14,690 and restricting children to verbal expression 80 00:04:14,850 --> 00:04:17,130 automatically places a barrier 81 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:21,250 to a therapeutic relationship by imposing limitations 82 00:04:21,738 --> 00:04:23,529 that in effect, say to children, 83 00:04:23,709 --> 00:04:28,190 you must come up to my level of communication and communicate with words. 84 00:04:29,299 --> 00:04:32,320 All right, I'm gonna read that again because that's a long sentence. 85 00:04:32,329 --> 00:04:35,579 And I wanna tease apart some of those different portions 86 00:04:35,869 --> 00:04:37,600 play is a medium of exchange. 87 00:04:37,609 --> 00:04:40,279 We know that it's a way that children communicate, right? 88 00:04:40,869 --> 00:04:43,700 And restricting children to verbal expression. 89 00:04:44,450 --> 00:04:45,890 I'm going to add in 90 00:04:46,239 --> 00:04:48,450 Brenna's parenthetical reference 91 00:04:48,820 --> 00:04:51,130 or cognitive activities. 92 00:04:51,890 --> 00:04:52,809 Close parenthesis, 93 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,100 restricting children to verbal expression 94 00:04:56,269 --> 00:04:58,119 or cognitive activities 95 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,470 automatically places a barrier to a therapeutic relationship. 96 00:05:03,190 --> 00:05:06,859 For those of you converts those of you that used to be directive, 97 00:05:06,869 --> 00:05:08,640 those of you that used to be eclectic. 98 00:05:08,649 --> 00:05:11,850 Those of you who used to do worksheets and activities and 99 00:05:11,859 --> 00:05:14,820 have kids talk about why they hit their friends at school 100 00:05:14,940 --> 00:05:17,859 and have them do a feelings, faces activity. 101 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:21,529 Did you ever feel that there was a barrier to 102 00:05:21,540 --> 00:05:25,000 the therapeutic relationship when you were doing that with kids? 103 00:05:26,489 --> 00:05:27,910 I know you do. You've told me that, 104 00:05:28,209 --> 00:05:30,390 that that was the case and that's why you switched. 105 00:05:31,829 --> 00:05:33,880 It imposes limitations 106 00:05:34,089 --> 00:05:36,529 that in effect, say to children, quote, 107 00:05:36,709 --> 00:05:39,570 you must come up to my level of communication 108 00:05:39,859 --> 00:05:41,410 and communicate with words, 109 00:05:42,019 --> 00:05:43,829 Brenna's parenthetical reference 110 00:05:44,070 --> 00:05:46,899 or you must come up to my level of cognition 111 00:05:47,420 --> 00:05:49,209 and interact cognitively 112 00:05:50,470 --> 00:05:53,220 through this worksheet through this discussion, through whatever. 113 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:54,559 OK. 114 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:57,369 The therapist's responsibility 115 00:05:57,630 --> 00:05:59,630 is to go to the child's level 116 00:06:00,010 --> 00:06:03,839 and communicate with children through the medium with which they are comfortable. 117 00:06:04,339 --> 00:06:07,130 Why must the child accommodate the adult? 118 00:06:08,929 --> 00:06:10,980 Wow. Let that sink in for a second. 119 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:14,570 Why must the child accommodate the adult 120 00:06:14,670 --> 00:06:17,359 and then to add insult to injury? Let's rub salt in the wound. 121 00:06:17,579 --> 00:06:21,149 The therapist is the one who is supposed to be well adjusted 122 00:06:21,809 --> 00:06:24,000 to have developed coping skills, 123 00:06:24,179 --> 00:06:27,859 to know how to communicate effectively at all levels 124 00:06:28,130 --> 00:06:31,390 and to possess a developmental understanding of children. 125 00:06:32,089 --> 00:06:34,750 So why must the child accommodate the adult? 126 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:37,339 Wow. 127 00:06:37,630 --> 00:06:42,200 If that doesn't make you feel guilty for any time in your entire career 128 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:46,959 that you did not go down to a child's level and wanted them to come up to yours. 129 00:06:48,070 --> 00:06:49,029 Continuing 130 00:06:49,190 --> 00:06:52,019 when the therapist says, tell me about 131 00:06:52,329 --> 00:06:53,190 it. End quote, 132 00:06:53,950 --> 00:06:56,570 young children are placed at a disadvantage 133 00:06:56,869 --> 00:07:00,760 of having to accommodate the therapist and not the other way around. 134 00:07:03,190 --> 00:07:05,649 So there in lies the justification 135 00:07:06,019 --> 00:07:07,010 for why we play 136 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,690 for why we don't lead 137 00:07:10,220 --> 00:07:12,570 for why we don't direct 138 00:07:12,799 --> 00:07:15,540 for why we don't bring topics up, 139 00:07:15,829 --> 00:07:19,269 why we don't intervene, why we don't interfere, 140 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:22,470 why we don't bring up topics of discussion, 141 00:07:22,769 --> 00:07:26,890 why we don't guide what the child should play with when or why? 142 00:07:28,429 --> 00:07:29,220 Because 143 00:07:30,109 --> 00:07:33,760 we are not giving kids the advantage 144 00:07:34,339 --> 00:07:39,429 when we expect them to come up to our level, which is cognitive and verbal. 145 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,730 So when we expect a child to talk to us 146 00:07:43,149 --> 00:07:45,290 or to think through something, 147 00:07:46,089 --> 00:07:47,989 we're putting them at a disadvantage 148 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:51,029 and we are supposed to be accommodating them. 149 00:07:52,429 --> 00:07:53,040 Ok. 150 00:07:53,250 --> 00:07:54,890 So let me continue. 151 00:07:54,899 --> 00:07:56,850 I'm gonna skip some of the text, 152 00:07:56,859 --> 00:07:59,929 but I'm going to continue in the same section of the text. 153 00:08:00,609 --> 00:08:02,149 So on page 10, 154 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:04,350 feelings and attitudes 155 00:08:04,589 --> 00:08:08,549 that may be too threatening for the child to express directly 156 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:12,119 can be safely projected 157 00:08:12,239 --> 00:08:14,119 through self chosen toys 158 00:08:15,230 --> 00:08:18,420 instead of verbalizing thoughts and feelings, 159 00:08:19,019 --> 00:08:21,100 a child may bury in the sand, 160 00:08:21,290 --> 00:08:22,679 shoot the dragon 161 00:08:22,829 --> 00:08:25,779 or spank, the doll representing baby brother. 162 00:08:27,670 --> 00:08:28,779 So let's think about this. 163 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,000 We understand kids aren't verbal, we understand they're not cognitive, 164 00:08:33,010 --> 00:08:34,599 they don't have abstract reasoning, 165 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:38,169 they are not able to function at our level 166 00:08:39,210 --> 00:08:43,808 so often that means that they have feelings and or attitudes 167 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:44,429 that 168 00:08:44,619 --> 00:08:49,729 would be very threatening for them to address directly, to express directly, 169 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:56,140 but they can safely project that through the toys that they choose to use. 170 00:08:57,549 --> 00:09:00,000 And then there's examples provided for you. 171 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,690 A child can bury something in the sand, shoot the dragon 172 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:08,280 or spank, the doll representing baby brother. 173 00:09:09,309 --> 00:09:12,010 They're not going to really understand 174 00:09:12,799 --> 00:09:14,369 what is happening, 175 00:09:14,570 --> 00:09:17,500 but they know that they need a release of it. 176 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:19,739 So 177 00:09:19,989 --> 00:09:22,419 that is really helpful to understand 178 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,710 that when they're able to play something out, 179 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,960 it is the way that they're projecting things that 180 00:09:28,969 --> 00:09:31,159 they don't know any other way to express. 181 00:09:33,020 --> 00:09:33,539 Ok. 182 00:09:33,650 --> 00:09:35,880 And then I'm going to skip a little bit further 183 00:09:36,489 --> 00:09:38,580 bottom of 10, top of 11. 184 00:09:38,849 --> 00:09:43,030 This is actually a quote from Bettelheim from 1987. 185 00:09:43,530 --> 00:09:48,960 And I'm actually going to give you that specific reference because I want you to 186 00:09:49,309 --> 00:09:51,650 be able to look that up if you choose. 187 00:09:52,869 --> 00:09:54,500 That is 188 00:09:55,270 --> 00:09:58,219 an article that was published in Atlantic Monthly 189 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:00,590 called The Importance of Play. 190 00:10:01,119 --> 00:10:05,059 And that was Bettelheim in 1987 in Atlantic Monthly. 191 00:10:05,469 --> 00:10:06,099 So 192 00:10:06,549 --> 00:10:11,309 this is a complete quote from Bettelheim on page 40 193 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,520 in the original text on page 10 and 11 194 00:10:14,750 --> 00:10:16,340 in art of the relationship. 195 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,500 Here's the quote, the most normal and competent child 196 00:10:21,270 --> 00:10:25,450 encounters, what seem like insurmountable problems in living 197 00:10:27,429 --> 00:10:29,599 the most normal and competent child, 198 00:10:29,789 --> 00:10:31,719 meaning best case scenario 199 00:10:32,979 --> 00:10:36,520 encounters, what seem like insurmountable problems in living? 200 00:10:37,489 --> 00:10:41,530 The world is scary, the world is unpredictable, the world is overwhelming, 201 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:42,950 the world is unknown. 202 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,429 The world is confusing, 203 00:10:45,789 --> 00:10:46,900 the world is big, 204 00:10:48,309 --> 00:10:51,250 it creates problems that seem insurmountable 205 00:10:51,260 --> 00:10:54,049 to kids even in the best circumstances 206 00:10:55,109 --> 00:10:57,489 continuing. But by playing them out 207 00:10:58,010 --> 00:10:59,710 in the way she chooses, 208 00:11:00,250 --> 00:11:02,530 she may become able to cope with them 209 00:11:03,099 --> 00:11:04,919 in a step by step process. 210 00:11:07,369 --> 00:11:10,250 She often does so in symbolic ways 211 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,000 that are hard for her to even understand 212 00:11:13,489 --> 00:11:16,799 as she is reacting to inner processes whose 213 00:11:16,809 --> 00:11:20,119 origin may be buried deep in her unconscious. 214 00:11:21,450 --> 00:11:22,559 Ok. Let me pause there. 215 00:11:22,989 --> 00:11:26,150 That's the heart of why we do what we do. 216 00:11:28,239 --> 00:11:32,219 The world has insurmountable problems that seem too much to handle. 217 00:11:32,229 --> 00:11:35,320 But if a child plays them out in her way, 218 00:11:36,239 --> 00:11:39,400 she becomes able to cope with them in a step by step process, 219 00:11:39,409 --> 00:11:40,979 there's a desensitization, 220 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,500 there's an increase in competence, 221 00:11:43,729 --> 00:11:48,539 there's a better sense of self, there's trust of self, 222 00:11:48,549 --> 00:11:52,299 there's coping skills that are built, problem solving skills that are acquired, 223 00:11:52,309 --> 00:11:52,760 right? 224 00:11:52,770 --> 00:11:56,719 So step by step, child becomes able to cope with these things in 225 00:11:57,179 --> 00:12:02,539 symbolic ways that sometimes the child will not even understand nor will we 226 00:12:03,250 --> 00:12:06,780 because the child is reacting to inner processes whose 227 00:12:06,789 --> 00:12:09,450 origin may be buried deep in the unconscious. 228 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:13,849 Sometimes the child doesn't know and sometimes we don't know, 229 00:12:14,349 --> 00:12:15,890 but it doesn't mean it doesn't work. 230 00:12:17,119 --> 00:12:18,130 Ok. Continuing. 231 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,510 This may result in play that makes little sense to adults at the moment 232 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,159 or may even seem ill advised 233 00:12:25,349 --> 00:12:28,750 since we do not know the purpose it serves or how it will end. 234 00:12:31,570 --> 00:12:33,830 But when there is no immediate danger, 235 00:12:34,349 --> 00:12:39,109 it is usually best to approve of the child's play without interfering 236 00:12:39,469 --> 00:12:41,830 just because he is so engrossed in it. 237 00:12:43,059 --> 00:12:44,090 All right, let me pause there. 238 00:12:45,059 --> 00:12:48,669 So Bettelheim is even acknowledging that sometimes we watch 239 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,260 a child's play and it makes little sense to us 240 00:12:51,409 --> 00:12:55,039 and, or sometimes we don't think that it's something that a child should do. 241 00:12:56,190 --> 00:13:00,770 Sometimes it seems ill advised because we don't know the purpose or how it will end 242 00:13:02,429 --> 00:13:05,609 what outcome may come from this. What's the purpose of this? 243 00:13:05,619 --> 00:13:06,849 Why is the child doing this? 244 00:13:06,859 --> 00:13:10,010 Have you ever found yourself questioning what's going on in the playroom? 245 00:13:12,650 --> 00:13:16,030 However, Bettelheim says when there is no immediate danger, 246 00:13:16,599 --> 00:13:17,429 ie 247 00:13:17,789 --> 00:13:20,270 we have three questions that we ask about limits. 248 00:13:20,890 --> 00:13:24,489 Am I safe? Is the child safe? Is something you know to get damaged or broken? 249 00:13:24,599 --> 00:13:27,650 If the answer is no, then there is no immediate danger. 250 00:13:27,979 --> 00:13:28,000 It 251 00:13:28,229 --> 00:13:31,330 is usually best to approve of the child's play without 252 00:13:31,340 --> 00:13:34,049 interfering just because he is so engrossed in it. 253 00:13:34,409 --> 00:13:35,409 Now listen to this 254 00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:38,429 efforts to assist him in his struggles 255 00:13:39,210 --> 00:13:40,869 while well intentioned 256 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,469 may divert him from seeking 257 00:13:43,630 --> 00:13:45,210 and eventually finding 258 00:13:45,429 --> 00:13:47,469 the solution that will serve him best. 259 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,099 How many times do we have to sit on our hands? 260 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,900 How many times do we have to stop ourselves from 261 00:13:57,260 --> 00:14:01,659 interfering or assisting or helping or solving 262 00:14:03,330 --> 00:14:05,739 or lessening the blow of something? 263 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,729 Taking the hard away, rescuing them from the pain? 264 00:14:10,869 --> 00:14:15,820 That's the nature of an adult with a child. And that's the nature of a helper 265 00:14:16,099 --> 00:14:19,190 to someone that needs help. But here's what that does. 266 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,330 If we effort, make an effort to assist, 267 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,359 even with good intentions, which they always are, 268 00:14:26,429 --> 00:14:29,580 it can divert him from seeking and eventually 269 00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:32,289 finding the solution that will serve him best. 270 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:34,979 What does that speak of 271 00:14:35,489 --> 00:14:38,900 the child-centered self actualization process? 272 00:14:40,020 --> 00:14:43,440 He knows that it's a problem. He knows he needs to solve it. 273 00:14:43,489 --> 00:14:46,530 He knows that he will seek until he finds 274 00:14:46,659 --> 00:14:47,940 what's going to work. 275 00:14:48,869 --> 00:14:54,229 And anything we do is only going to get in the way and divert him and be a hindrance. 276 00:14:55,450 --> 00:14:56,330 That's child 277 00:14:56,469 --> 00:15:02,039 centeredness, that's non directive, that's the child leading the play session. 278 00:15:02,169 --> 00:15:04,440 Why? Because the child knows, 279 00:15:06,159 --> 00:15:09,380 we just let the child do what the child needs to do, 280 00:15:09,969 --> 00:15:12,080 his pace, his way, his time, 281 00:15:13,719 --> 00:15:17,349 the environment of the playroom, the relationship with the clinician, 282 00:15:18,419 --> 00:15:22,169 the child is able to find the solution that serves him best. 283 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,169 So we don't need to assist him. We don't need to do anything 284 00:15:28,309 --> 00:15:31,869 even when something doesn't make sense, even when it seems ill advised, 285 00:15:32,299 --> 00:15:34,960 even when we're watching it and we're confused as 286 00:15:34,969 --> 00:15:37,830 to what this could possibly mean for the child, 287 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,940 we just stay out of the way 288 00:15:41,539 --> 00:15:43,820 and we let the child do their work. 289 00:15:43,950 --> 00:15:46,859 So let's weave the three of these things together as we close. 290 00:15:47,909 --> 00:15:48,669 So 291 00:15:49,229 --> 00:15:50,049 by 292 00:15:50,330 --> 00:15:52,760 not letting a child just play 293 00:15:53,270 --> 00:15:56,369 by expecting a child to verbalize things or to 294 00:15:56,380 --> 00:16:00,090 process things cognitively or do some kind of activity, 295 00:16:01,700 --> 00:16:03,190 we are actually 296 00:16:03,340 --> 00:16:07,390 placing them at a disadvantage, forcing them to accommodate us. 297 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:08,989 And 298 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:14,729 we are imposing limitations on the therapeutic relationship with barriers. 299 00:16:15,619 --> 00:16:17,159 OK. So that's point number one. 300 00:16:17,530 --> 00:16:21,580 So if we understand that I no longer want to be a 301 00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:25,359 barrier or impose limitations or put a child at a disadvantage. 302 00:16:25,489 --> 00:16:27,989 So I'm going to wholly be child-centered 303 00:16:28,489 --> 00:16:31,320 so that they can communicate through their play. 304 00:16:31,580 --> 00:16:34,359 Ok. So that's point number one point number two, 305 00:16:35,330 --> 00:16:36,130 children will, 306 00:16:36,140 --> 00:16:39,150 then naturally if allowed to just play and 307 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:42,289 not have to verbalize or cognitively process things, 308 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,969 they will project through their toys, 309 00:16:44,979 --> 00:16:48,909 the feelings and attitudes that are too threatening for them to express directly. 310 00:16:50,179 --> 00:16:52,479 So that is a means to an end for them, 311 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:56,679 they come in and play what they can't communicate in any other capacity. 312 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,159 And then finally, 313 00:17:00,669 --> 00:17:02,000 the world is hard 314 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,619 and life is tricky 315 00:17:04,300 --> 00:17:06,589 and kids are going to play them out 316 00:17:06,930 --> 00:17:10,640 so that they can step by step, build coping skills 317 00:17:11,089 --> 00:17:14,560 and that's done in symbolic ways that we don't always understand. 318 00:17:14,810 --> 00:17:16,640 But if we don't get in the way 319 00:17:17,060 --> 00:17:20,560 they will seek and find the solution that serves them best. 320 00:17:22,098 --> 00:17:24,739 And when a child seeks and finds a solution, 321 00:17:25,448 --> 00:17:27,098 notice the ownership 322 00:17:27,229 --> 00:17:30,688 and the pride and the long term effect that has 323 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,410 versus something that we might have led them to talk to them about, 324 00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:37,010 forced them to think about. 325 00:17:37,660 --> 00:17:39,410 That's a temporary, 326 00:17:39,709 --> 00:17:41,180 very, very 327 00:17:41,290 --> 00:17:42,739 surface level 328 00:17:42,910 --> 00:17:43,699 solution. 329 00:17:44,609 --> 00:17:46,630 Whereas a child wrestles with it 330 00:17:46,949 --> 00:17:51,670 and fights with it and struggles with it and comes up, comes up with it on their own. 331 00:17:52,609 --> 00:17:53,829 Now, all of a sudden 332 00:17:54,109 --> 00:17:55,469 long term 333 00:17:55,819 --> 00:17:56,709 results 334 00:17:57,439 --> 00:18:00,109 because the child figured it out 335 00:18:00,489 --> 00:18:04,739 and the child will still continue to possess the capacity 336 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:05,579 to 337 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,260 figure that out in the future 338 00:18:07,959 --> 00:18:09,780 because they've proven that they're capable. 339 00:18:11,189 --> 00:18:15,219 All right y'all, I hope that encourages you. This is such a fantastic book. 340 00:18:15,229 --> 00:18:19,709 I, I just, every time I read it I find Little Golden Nuggets and I think that 341 00:18:20,030 --> 00:18:24,599 it's just such a helpful reminder when we dive into the stuff of 342 00:18:24,609 --> 00:18:29,689 why we're doing what we're doing and kind of that spur to continue to 343 00:18:30,189 --> 00:18:34,300 do this when sometimes it's not easy and sometimes we don't really feel adequately 344 00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:38,489 equipped and we're not really sure if it's worth the fight and the struggle and 345 00:18:38,609 --> 00:18:40,550 the supervisors not being on board and 346 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,530 colleagues not understanding what we're doing. 347 00:18:42,739 --> 00:18:47,050 And is this really working because parents really don't seem like they see any value 348 00:18:47,060 --> 00:18:50,890 in this and I'm constantly defending myself and no one understands what I do. 349 00:18:51,810 --> 00:18:53,829 We, we're all in the same boat y'all. 350 00:18:54,229 --> 00:18:54,949 That's what, 351 00:18:54,959 --> 00:18:58,390 that's what you take on when you take on being a child-centered play therapist. 352 00:18:58,660 --> 00:19:03,510 But these works and these texts remind us that it's worth it 353 00:19:04,170 --> 00:19:05,939 and they ground us again 354 00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:08,390 so that we can continue to fight the good fight. 355 00:19:09,229 --> 00:19:09,819 So 356 00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:12,569 love you all so much. Thanks for spending time with me each week. 357 00:19:12,579 --> 00:19:13,969 We'll talk again soon. Bye. 358 00:19:14,670 --> 00:19:17,589 Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr 359 00:19:17,689 --> 00:19:20,819 Brenna Hicks for more episodes and resources. 360 00:19:20,829 --> 00:19:25,719 Please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.