Sara Markowitz Meets World

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Speaker 1: I have a question for both of you that kind of pertains to our guests today. Do either one of you have a very wardrobe specific story that's like an embarrassing clothing.

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Speaker 2: Story from your life?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 2: The best is when I was doing Ley Miz for some I have like two shoe stories about lay bits. They It was such a great part because I was Gavroche and I had a couple of, you know, solo numbers. But then there were also huge sections of the play where they just there would be main stuff going on and we would just be running around. All us actors would be in the background, and every night we would stay in character and do different things, like we would play out little scenes and like have little in jokes like me and other actors and so at ten it was the greatest because it was like every night we're in front of an audience, but we're just playing make believe. So I'd be running around. Well, one time they resold my shoes and didn't tell me, so I would get I got dressed before the show and then we can't. The way Gavroche is introduced is I'm under a blanket while these giant sets come on and the song started, and then I jump out of the blanket and run up to the front of the stage land and jump and go, how do you do? My name's GeV Rosch. And it's like this whole thing we're upsitting to the audience where I get up and I run and just right in front of the audience, completely fallow in my ass like just you're bam. And then I was like ha ha, and then I get trying to sing, get up to my feet like really hurt myself, and I'm trying to sing, and then I'm supposed to run this figure eight around the set and then just immediately eat it again, like I'm right after my song. I kept tripping in front of the It was like the most embarrassing thing. And then this other time, because they had elastic shoelaces because you could you could tie them and then just slip your shoes on and off or whatever. But my shoelaces came untied. And so there was a section of the play where I'm back, I'm behind something while Javert is singing Stars this great song Stars. And then after his song is over, Gavroche like comes out on this little ledge and says like that inspector thinks he's something, but it's me who runs this town. Has this little like diddy. So I had to sit I always every night, I had to sit in the back like by myself on this piece of the set, like up high while the stars was going on, and my shoelace had comeing tied. So I tied my shoes in the dark while the song was going on. And then I went out for my number, and I tied my shoelaces together, so I immediately I'm on a ledge and I'm walking out and I'm like and luckily they were elastic so I could stretch just enough. But again I almost fell off of like a second story in front of the audience. Yeah shoes, Oh shoes, man shoes and le miz.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so the shoes they re sold? What was wrong with the next one? They were just they weren't old, so they weren't scuffed up on the bottom.

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Speaker 2: They were so they were too smooth. They had like resold them and they put and they didn't tell me and they didn't scuff them up. So like, because I like fell four or five times that night, the ward person was like, oh, I'm so sorry, And then he just took he like filed them down, like roofed them up up. Yeah, because the set was actually like this land it looked like cobblestone, but it wasn't real cobblestone. Obviously. It was a giant rotating stage and so they cover it. It's like to make it look like it has like a It had like a plasticchine over it, like it had like this laminate over it. So it was like a very interesting smooth floor even though it looks rough like cobblestone. So yeah, I just ate it.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, what about you will wardrobe?

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Speaker 5: Wi is the only one I can think of that is for actually shooting something. I mean, when I was a kid, I was told there was a toga party, and I went and I was the only one in a toga that was Yeah, I started crying, were you third grade?

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Speaker 6: I did, Well, it's because you don't.

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Speaker 5: I was at camp And to make it worse, I only had a fitted sheet, so I did I didn't you.

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Speaker 6: Even have a regular toga sheet on?

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Speaker 5: I just had the fitted sheet, So like the cart was like coming around my neck and.

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Speaker 2: Liked or did you leave?

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Speaker 5: I finally well, again, it was in the middle of So I was at camp and we'd have to go back to our cabins to get dressed. So I like walked to the party, which was at another cabin like a half a mile away, and I got there and everyone was like making fun of me because I was the only one. But I had the last laugh because I walked back and I put on my brother's windbreaker and my parachute pants and I went back and I was the only one who could break dance, and I had the whole crowd like clapping.

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Speaker 4: By the end of the night.

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Speaker 5: The girl at the camp it was like looking at me and wanted to talk to me. Yeah, I really I really pulled that night out. Yeah was I mean? You said you cried? I really thought we were getting a different story, and I cried at first, But then you know, when like breakdance exactly what it comes down to give you lemonss. But no the for an actual wardrobe. When we were doing Trojan War, the entire film takes place in one night. That's the worst wear for months, and at the beginning of the film, I'm first covered in water and then covered in flower. So every night I had to start shooting by putting on the same nasty clothes and then them wetting me down and covering me with flour. And that was for like twenty nights in a row. We had to do that night after night after night. So wardrobe wise, that one was. I mean, by the end, it's like crusty and you're trying to put on the jacket that's like nasty, and it's starting to smell and it's Yeah, that was So that was a fun one. But I didn't cry, and but I also didn't break dance.

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Speaker 1: You also didn't get the cool girl at the camp in that one, But that's true. What about you, Well, mine is not actually a wardrobe meaning like professional stuff. Mine is just a junior high school story. I had lived in Orange County, and in Orange County at my elementary school, we always got dressed up for the first day of school, like the first day of school, you wore something a little fancier than you would wear every other day.

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Speaker 3: I don't really know why.

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Speaker 1: And Jessica and I, my best friend in elementary school, used to go shopping together and we would pick an outfit and we would usually like if not Matt, wear the same thing like twins. We would color coordinate, we would somehow connect our outfits. So I moved from Orange County at the beginning of sixth grade, which is an awkward time, like junior high is a terrible time anyway. But it was a new school. I didn't know anybody, and I just assumed in nineteen ninety one or whatever it was nineteen ninety that still people would probably people would be getting dressed up for the first day of school.

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Speaker 3: And I wore.

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Speaker 1: I wore like a long sleeved pants and pants.

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Speaker 3: It was one outfit.

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Speaker 1: It was like one piece and it was black and it had little white flowers on it, and I wore it with pantyhose and ballet flats. And I showed up at a right middle school in Calabasas wearing this outfit, and everyone was so cool and cool at that time. Was a little on the grunge side. Yeah yeah, yeah, like flannels tied around the waist, converse that were really super beat up, a T shirt, and I was the new girl in school.

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Speaker 3: My hair was perfectly quaffed.

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Speaker 1: I had this outfit on and everyone was just looking at me as I was passing in the halls and as I was walking to lunch a kid passed me and said.

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Speaker 3: What are you wearing? You look like you're going to a funeral.

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Speaker 1: I was like, meanwhile, also, guys, my mom tried to tell me. My mom as I was getting ready, She's like, Danielle, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think you should wear this.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think anyone's going to be dressed like this. And I was like, no, no, I want to wear such an incredible mom. She was like, I really don't think people are going to be dressing like this. I don't think you should wear it. And I was like, no, no, this is definitely what I want to wear. I came home from school that day and I was like, we need to go shopping. I need a bunch of garbage clothes. And I went back the next day like anyone else, like.

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Speaker 6: Just exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably part of where my my PTSD of just I must not have any style, because I I was dressed like I was going to a funeral in firs day of sixth grade. Man anyway, welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm rather or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell. It was no secret what we felt about season one's wardrobe on Boy Meets World, and I think think writer's son Indy said it best with too much shirts, and even when it was the right amount of shirts, everyone seemed to be wearing tops that went down to their knees.

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Speaker 3: But then came season two and we.

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Speaker 1: Quickly found ourselves no longer making fun of the clothes, but rather loving the changes, and we quickly realized, oh, that's when Sarah took over. Sarah Markowitz came to Boy Meets World for seasons two and three after already creating some of the most iconic looks of the nineteen nineties. She had already put a sweater around the waist of Keanu Reeves for Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, and was the costume designer who created the absolutely iconic looks of David Lynch's Twin Peaks, which has some of the most memorable outfits of television ever.

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Speaker 3: And for good reason.

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Speaker 1: We have so many vivid memories of Sarah and loving what she brought to the show, it's hard for us to not think she was in charge of our clothes for the entire run instead of just for two seasons. Some other projects she's worked on Less than Zero, Coyote Ugly, the Steven Spielberg movie AI, and the entire run of a little show called The Big Bang Theory. But today, because we had producer husband of this podcast, Jensen Karp, literally stalk her and find her, she has been gracious enough to lend us some time to talk about the coolness and chic that she brought to Boy Meets World. So let's please welcome the absolutely wonderful and endlessly stylish Sarah Markowitz.

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Speaker 6: Wow. Oh my god, it's so good to see your face.

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Speaker 4: Nice nice to see your faces.

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Speaker 3: Wow, man, you look just the way I remember you.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 3: That's a good thing, Yes it is.

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Speaker 6: I just got instantly emotional.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why.

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Speaker 6: I just got instantly emotional.

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Speaker 4: Oh geez, sweet. I am so touch that you even people care about all this kind of stuff, you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean, I guess I can't speak to whether or not anybody else cares.

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Speaker 3: But the three of us carey.

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Speaker 4: We care about the three of you. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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Speaker 3: The three of us care a lot.

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Speaker 1: We were so excited when you agreed to do this with us, and we're willing to sit down and talk with us, because you know, we have talked a lot about our wardrobe over season one and then going into season two, and season two had such a just such a change in the style of everyone.

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Speaker 2: Become the show because it's what we all had memories of the first season, Like we knew we had like lots of hoods and like we'd too many layers, and then when we were watching it, we're like, well, this is just ridiculous, Like our order was so crazy. And then it's like the second season, we're like, oh, that's the show we remember, that's what we all look that's it looks like Boy Meets World now, And we were like it was Sarah, it was so fun to remember, Like.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, it's funny because I mean, when it's hard to remember, you know, it's a long time ago. In thinking about it and getting ready to talk to you guys. I mean, so much of what I do is just instinct, you know, it's not it's not like linear, you know, that is what feels right. And I knew for sure I really never liked those hoods and those like sleeve things.

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Speaker 3: I still don't.

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Speaker 4: Like them, like you know, and sometimes like it is appropriate for you know, it's there are like stereotypical things that we think of, like if you think of a thug, you know, or buy in a bar a burly guy and you put a cut sleeve thing, you know. I mean, I've done it since you know, it does sometimes it's right, but for some reason for me, it never felt right for you guys. And also the show was Philadelphia, and it felt very California. You know that that look for me never felt East Coast, if so, and still does more West coast. And it is, you know, one of the challenges. I mean, it's not brain surgery, but it's one of the challenges we have in costumes, Like you know, it's ninety five degrees outside, but you're supposed to be in this, you know, So it sucks that have to layer you up and put you in many things, but you act and you pretend you know, we're we're in the business and make.

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Speaker 5: Believe so some of us because we've we've we've determined that Danielle cannot act while wearing a winter coat.

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Speaker 3: She has I can't act in a jacket.

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Speaker 1: You remember me saying that I probably didn't start speaking up about it in only second season. But I just I can't act in a jacket. I can wear it into the scene, but then the I have an opportunity to take the jacket off, I'm going to need to take that out.

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Speaker 6: She never she never master jacket. She never master jacket. She just couldn't do it. She couldn't do it.

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Speaker 2: No, I love having armor on, like I like feeling like layered up like I hate it, like I hate it. Just being in a T shirt like that always made me such uncomfortable acting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and it's funny for me because again it's kind of throughout my whole career, you know, and especially in kids, which you all were at that time. I don't like that little empty space like in a shirt. I like covering it in with a T shirt underneath it. So I'm always a layer girl, like especially on younger kids, because I think that's I don't know, I don't know that that's a part of the body we should really be seeing and interesting. That's right or legitimate, but it's a right thing. So I always, you know, or most of the time, I do fill that in. But Danielle, you were so great and actually with the exception of will you were all even Ben, although looking at pictures he wasn't the greatest at it. But you were so great with vintage clothing, you know, which was a big part of my thing. I love set and I mean, Danielle, you and those vintage jackets. I mean, you know, we're so great on your body and some of the pictures and images that you were I like layering. But I even liked it with with T. Penga because you know, like one of the pictures you sent me with the like that vintage dress going.

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Speaker 3: To talk about it.

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Speaker 4: But then with the boots like I don't know, I just liked that. I like that idea. And then for writer, those vintage vests that you know had found and had you know, then had more made you know, for you, and and then I just like that will you seem to become like the sweater guy, you know? And I didn't think it mattered what season it was, you were just kind of the sweater guy. And I apologize for that, No you kidding.

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Speaker 5: I love I'm in real life, I'm sweater guys. So I have no problem with that whatsoever. As long as I'm comfortable, I'm fine.

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Speaker 4: So I had to do with you know school and you know, like where everybody was in their life, you know. I mean also one of my biggest memories really in thinking I didn't really prepare, but in thinking about this was a mister Turner, Like he was a character that I loved and I always had like secret things and I still do on my shows now. But with his ties, yes, we have to talk about it, yeah whatever, like you know, but nobody really knew and I didn't really discuss it, like I.

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Speaker 2: Just okay, so this was totally your secret agenda.

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Speaker 3: You slipped the ties in there.

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Speaker 6: That's so great. We were trying to find out where they came from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we thought we had Tony on the show.

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Speaker 6: We were like Tony, like did you.

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Speaker 2: Ever talk about it? He was like, no, no one ever talked to me. But they're so striking now. It's such like it's it's such an obvious, bold choice that somebody was making.

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Speaker 6: You.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, with me, it always had ninety nine percent of the time it had to do with either the theme of that episode, you know what I mean, Like there was a whole little secret like what are those stupid things that Taylor Swift calls him? You know, like, yeah, you know, it was my little thing. I just did the show last year called the United States of Al and it was about Afghan interpreter that we, you know, worked with our military and we brought him to the country and he lived with his family in Cincinnati and at one point, I guess they don't have birthday parties. He never really knew his birthday, and so the family put together a birthday party for him and I had him in this shirt that was all these different colors and on rack approval, you know, my executive was like, oh, I don't know about that shirt, and I said, well, the reason I picked that shirt is because it's the color that everybody, all the family members are wearing, and he is the one that's the Titus family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I explained it to me. I started crying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the things that we do or that I do, that people don't really know. But I just random, like I went to my closet and picked out this. Today. There's an awful lot of that goes into you know, but most people don't know it.

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Speaker 1: You know, no, but it's so fun because it's like it's it's your love letter to the shows. You work on to be like, I'm thoughtful about this, I'm particular about this, and because I did notice, we talked about it with one of the Turner ties that we noticed. It was a I think a holiday episode the Turnaround Dance, where there's barely any mention of holiday throughout or Christmas throughout the episode, but the signs they're hanging for the Christmas episode have like a snowman on it. And I noticed that one of Turner's ties was red and it had swirls and it just seemed christmasy. I was like, I think it's a Christmas tie, and so it was. And we're all the ties vintage.

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Speaker 4: Ninety percent of them, if not more were, I mean, and it's funny. I have most of my stuff in storage now when I wrap that show, but I have some of the ties I kept. I mean, I just because I collect that kind of stuff. Actually, I had your bathrobe too. You had that Shinio bathrobe that I think it had like the keeycock or something on the back of this on other shows before. I mean, I try to do that as well. And a writer, I think I and I was at her place yesterday and I meant to grab it. I think I have two of your vinted shirts that my mom wore, you know, like has worn over the years. Next time and I'll reach out to Jenson and I'll let you guys know, or I'll send them to you because I was so well.

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Speaker 5: The thing we think is really funny is that we went through the whole first season of the show started the second season, none of us even mentioned that it wasn't an HD. It didn't bother any of us. We couldn't really see some of the stuff. So then the Turner ties came up, and all of a sudden, it was like, why is it not an HD?

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Speaker 3: We can't see what's on the tie show.

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Speaker 4: Because of you, and I was trying to think what it was. I didn't really do it with mister Feenie, but there was one episode in particular, and you guys might know what it is, but there was we're under his tie there, and I used it on Twin Peaks. There was that naked hula dancer under his tie. But I didn't like show him or tell him, but then I did and she had like a grass it was with but she had like a grass skirt over but yeah, she wasn't really a pin up, but I used it on Doctor Jacoby and Twin Peaks and I was like, and there was some episode that it warranted. Yeah, and I don't I have no recollection of what it was. I don't know if mister Turner bottom of tie.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, wait till we get to that episode.

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Speaker 4: But he did have a tie, and I remember like telling Bill about it, or you know, talking to him about it and saying, you know, I hope you don't mind, and he would like walk around and he'd like flash it to people, you know, So I do remember. That is a memory I have of a tie.

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Speaker 2: Of mister secret tie.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if it was the only time, you know.

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Speaker 2: There's there's that one episode that we did watch where he where he had been at some music thing, remember where it was like the island music.

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Speaker 6: That were talking.

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Speaker 2: It's run right, and I forget It's like a backstory where he recorded some band and he was like a tar. Yeah, maybe it was the episode.

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Speaker 4: Because I think it and I don't remember, and again it's in storage. It had it was Hawaiian on the front as well, but on the back was this whole hula dancer that when you moved her skirt she was kind of naked. What a cool story. I do remember, Well, I'm pretty sure I have it in storage. So the next time, on whatever next go, I get and I put my stuff out of storage, you know, because there are certain things that you know, over the years, I've had to keep, you know, I just keep because they're special. And I saw the clip that when you guys had dity and that necklace, you know, I mean, that was so special and I certainly had no memory or recollection of that that that was like a ritual that you guys did getting an end.

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Speaker 6: I didn't remember it either.

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Speaker 2: At first I thought it was yeah, I was like, where did I get this necklace?

00:22:57
Speaker 6: Girlfriend or something?

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Speaker 4: It was like, I didn't remember either, But I think also were I mean, I think one of the things that really for me matters in my work and what I do, is like the backstory and where you guys come from, you know, a writer in a trailer park and family, mister Turner, you know. I mean, I think a lot of that stuff helps inform decisions, you know, I think, I mean, I don't have any real memories of interacting a lot like with the producers in terms of what you were wearing or what you were not wearing. You know. Michael always used to say, you know, again, there are a lot of people who don't understand. I mean, Chuck Lory is not a whole lot different, you know when they describe things. You know, but Michael always like wanted acid washed genes, you know, those words like he just knew, but he literally really meant that. But you know, people get in their head a certain term of something and it's like with that and what does that mean? And not everybody can do and be that, you know.

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Speaker 2: So it's such an interesting aspect of your job, you know, to have to like take because I mean most people, a lot of people don't go through life thinking about clothing that much, you know, like and so you yeah and so like. And you could be a very creative writer, director, producer, but not really be good at that, right or or be very good at it for yourself, but never think like I wouldn't know how to dress a woman, for instance, you know, like, yeah, but I would love to be able to give input on some wardrobe, but I wouldn't know how to I wouldn't have the vocabulary.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the shit of the matter is. I mean a couple of things about that. I think Number one about input, I as still to this day, I am a believer that if you don't feel as an actor, if you don't feel comfortable in it, then I haven't done my job right right, you know? Like it. There are certain things that I'll fight for that I think are important, and I'll explain to you why I pick that shirt or why I think this, and maybe when you hear my reasoning behind it, you I feel differently about it. But at the end of the day, if you don't feel right in it, then you're not gonna it's not going to serve you, and it's not going to serve the character, and it's not going to serve the show.

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Speaker 1: So well, what I think you and other super creative people like you who work in your field do better than anyone else is like you're talking about, you got a piece of input, let's say the acid wash genes, and it's like getting a zip file. And instead of just like for any of us who were given acid wash genes, you'd be like, he asked for acid wash genes, let's.

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Speaker 3: Go get it.

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Speaker 1: But instead what you do is you go, hmm, I got a condensed little piece of input. I'm now going to extrapolate and say, you are trying to get the feeling of this, and instead of doing it in this acid washed genes way, let's do it in this really cool, more interesting way. And you come up with what that cool, interesting way is and present it and suddenly everyone's like, yes, this is it. And yet I could have never picked it. I would have never known, but you've figured it out phychology.

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Speaker 4: Also the other part of that is it's, you know, when we get dressed every day us as regular people, I don't really think about, oh the backdrop. I mean, okay on camera person, so right the second, yeah, I thought, okay, black is good. I mean, I'm not gonna lie in your shoes for half a second. I think there's so many moving parts that I don't think Danielle I would ever put you in that color shirt or jacket because of what your backdrop is or you know, we take into consideration the color, the couch that you're sitting, other people you're interacting with, you know, and that's really important, and you know, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't work. But you know, getting dressed, I don't think Oh, well, what's you know, what is so and so gonna wear today? Because I'm having lunch with her and so we look good sitting together, like I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, So then that leads to a really important question, how did you learn this? Like how did you get into this? And how did you discover that this is a skill you have or that you could develop.

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Speaker 4: I didn't go to school for it. I I don't know me, you know. I just think it's just a gift that I have and I don't need to be weird about it, but I just I really don't know. When I was growing up, and I always the odd thing is, when I was a little girl, I always thought, like when you think, what do you want to do when you grow up? I always thought, I want to design album covers And you're going to know who I am, but they'll know who the musician is. You know, they'll know the artist, but they won't know me. But my work will be the album cover that they buy.

00:27:51
Speaker 6: That's so cool.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of what I ended up doing, right Nick, That is what I do because people know the show or the movie whatever, but they don't necessarily know me. So and I grew up a privilege in Beverly Hills, and I went to college in Vermont, but I had no idea what I wanted to do. I went to Bennington College as a dance maker, had two bad knees. And then I went to art major, but I didn't want to be a starving artist. And then I went to early childhood development, but I don't really like kids all that much out alcoholism and I'm like, well, this isn't a good path, so let's move on from that. And I went to secretarial school so I could get a job in any business, in any industry, to figure out what I wanted to do. And in New York, and I moved back to California. My dad was ill, and I moved back to California, and when he died, like we had a friend that was an executive producer and his daughter was a costume designer, and I was like, I called, I'm like, how do I go about getting a job? And she had movie called Hamburger the motion picture with.

00:29:02
Speaker 5: Dick College Yeah that you know this will of course I know it, Oh my god, of course not many did kiss movies, so.

00:29:12
Speaker 6: I got it.

00:29:13
Speaker 4: Was the greatest guy, Like everybody was so afraid of him, but I wasn't. I was a great guy. And I she hired me for ten days as a wardrobe assistant. I mad two hundred and fifty dollars a week. I worked by nineteen hours a day, like and I finally like exhaled, like I was like, this is where I belong. And I just from that point on, I started there, and I worked my way up, and I did soul Man and then a really bad movie called Night of the Creeps, and you know, and and then I less than zero. I was the costume on and I got in the that got organized and I got in the union then and then I got offered When Peaks as a supervisor. And the designer who did the pilot. I was on an a Suzuo Trooper commercial at the Pasadena Courthouse or something, and I beeper. I had a pager and called her from the pay phone in the arches that they're and she's like, I decided not to do it, and I told them that you should design it.

00:30:17
Speaker 2: Oh my god, okay game.

00:30:21
Speaker 4: And you know that was my first design job with Lynch.

00:30:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, truly itics you play.

00:30:31
Speaker 6: Yeah, the look of Twin Peaks is famous I mean it's famous.

00:30:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It's it's I mean they still have all these you know, conventions. Yeah, you know, it's a big deal. But yeah, so that was And I again, so how to I learn it? Or I don't know? I I it just is something that I I just kind of am good at. And I mean, you know, and I mean like in any of us, I'm sure you guys can look at and you joke about, you know, jacketing or jack ing, you know. I mean they're all things that we're proud of and not you know, like I made a better choice there, you know. But I mean it's yeah, I've been doing it a pretty long time.

00:31:14
Speaker 1: What do you remember about then coming to Boy Meets World? And were we the first children you had ever styled?

00:31:24
Speaker 4: I did Life goes On? I went to rehab after twin Peaks. Okay, I'm sober thirty two years Yeah, pretty amazing, so cool, and yeah that wrap party could have been a Betty Ford for all of us. And I did Life goes On as the first job I got when I got out of rehab. I was thirty five days sober and there were kids, you know in that that was quirky and yeah, Becca, and you know that was a family as well, with Patty Lapone and Bill Smithrovich as the parents. And and then I think after that I came to you guys. So I mean in terms of designing, I mean there were some kids in Twin Peaks. I mean they weren't you know, they were in high school in Twin Peaks, so not they weren't as young as you. They were a little bit older than you guys. But I think Twin Peaks reminded me how much I love vintage clothing, you know. And and even in when we did Big Bang Theory, you know, several years ago. I mean at the early stages of Big Bang. Although Mary quickly was the cost is or was the costume designer, she's still you know what, I don't know the word. We brought in a lot of vintage clothing for Cuther Polly and for wollawo you know, as the seasons went on, Uh, Cuther poly didn't evolve that much, but Wollawoitz did and we got rid of some of that stuff. But I just love it. I think it's real life, especially families that can't afford, you know, to to go to North Strum's or Bloomingdale's or Macy's or whatever, Dillard's, whatever it is. I think they go to second goodwill and second hand stores, and I think that is part of creating real characters. Yes, you know that that makes it feel more real to me. I mean, I also don't want to do a show we all shot listen, we're here. I don't want to put you in the same thing. Every show is shopping at the Gap and Macy's and this and this and that.

00:33:30
Speaker 2: So it comes generic, yeah, yeah.

00:33:32
Speaker 4: And so using vintage clothing and mixing it in you know, yeah, Henley is a Henley, which you guys. You know, there's certain pieces that adnom jet whatever that everybody. That's universal language for anybody. But I think adding vintage pieces is something that I know, nobody else is going to be wearing that. You know, nobody else is wearing those vests that John wore, you know. And I don't know that people were putting things together like Topanga did. Although I think that was a real girl, you know, I think layers, and I think she had an artistic flare to her and you know, a toughness but a softness and it was just about trying to show that in a way that you know, didn't look at a place. I mean, and when I did General Hospital, same thing. I brought in a lot of vintage clothing. When I there was a character Brooklyn. Brooklyn. She's changed a lot now she's still not that same actress. But you know, it's just kind of in some way, I guess my signature, you know.

00:34:31
Speaker 1: I mean, I credit you with my love for vintage clothing, which has continued on. I'm not I wish I was better at it because I remember going shopping with you. We went to put We went, you took me to Polka Dots and moonbeams, yeah, and we went and looked at things and there were things you were pulling that I was like, Oh, that's not going to look good on me. Oh that's going to be ridiculous, or that's not going to work. And then I'd put them on and be like and you'd say, yeah, well we're not going to close it like that, We're gonna keep it open. I'm gonna put a belt on you being like, whoa, look, how cool that is? And I'm not good at that part. I go into a vintage clothing store and I, oh, man, that's cool. That's awesome. That's cool. And I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing, but like I would I would pay a million dollars if I had a million dollars, I would pay a.

00:35:09
Speaker 3: Million dollars to go vintage clothing shopping with you.

00:35:12
Speaker 4: Just happy I don't have to pay anything.

00:35:14
Speaker 3: It would be I mean, it was just so fun and I remember.

00:35:18
Speaker 1: I mean specifically, I'd love to jump into some of the specifics if you're okay with it. Well, before I jump into the specifics, I would like to know what were some of your influences in season two? Like we were, you know, it's like ninety four ninety five, we've picked up on a little bit of like a swinger's vibe. What what were some of your like what in what it was inspiring you, what was influencing you at that time.

00:35:50
Speaker 4: To be honest, it's so long ago. I really, you know, those kinds of things, I don't really remember, you know. And I I mean, I'm sure I had vision boards because I still do them now. You know, I always put together because that's how I you know, through magazines and things like that. But I really, honestly don't remember I just knew that I wanted to give it how you looked. That's that was my main impetus.

00:36:20
Speaker 5: Yeah, with Daniel talking about about not being able to like, oh, I don't know how to put this piece with this piece of stuff, then there were people like me where you would literally write on my stuff, put on brown shoes, put on black socks, pull them up, put on pants, tuck.

00:36:33
Speaker 1: In shirt, and it wasn't clear you have to put your socks on first.

00:36:39
Speaker 5: It was I mean it was seriously, it was like put on belt, put to second hole in belt, like there are some people where it was I was paint by numbers because I just didn't I don't.

00:36:47
Speaker 6: Know clothes at all. And I think by the third day you were like, yeah, yeah.

00:36:51
Speaker 4: That's what we're there for. I mean it's like a service business, you know what I mean, Like we're that's my job. That's I take pleasure and pride in that. And I you know, it's never meant in a you know, if you don't know, you don't know like saying or you're saying like you know, it's just about being helpful, you know, and and uh strange, Yeah, Well, because again we each have a job your job is to know your lines and know your mark and where you're supposed to stand. In my job, you shouldn't have to worry about. And if something's too fussy, then it's just not good and right and again, every now and then there's things that are important for whatever reason the story or you know, something that's coming up that you might not know as an actor. So you know, this would happen a lot of times on General Hospital because we were three weeks. I was three weeks, I had a pulling and so some actors saying, oh, do I really have to wear the tie? And I go, oh, no, it's okay. And then Alex my like, you know, right, arm right, or I would go, no, you do because you you know, you tie somebody up with your tie a week from you know what I mean, there's certain things that they might not have known that we had the privilege of knowing, you know, down the road. So but you know, to help somebody again, I still to this day think it's really important. Your job is to know your lines and not worry about do I hang the jacket here or do it? You know?

00:38:17
Speaker 6: I mean, you got It's funny.

00:38:20
Speaker 5: You must have known us well though, because to this day, I would say I still essentially dressed the way you dressed me. So it's like button a button down that's kind of open with something underneath it a pair of pants or a sweater. I mean, it's like it's kind of like I'm still Sarah mark witzing it. So it was just like.

00:38:40
Speaker 4: There's not a lot for men, you know, I mean it's pretty basic. I mean, you know, it's the challenge on any show, you know, the women, there's a lot more that one can do, you know, women, And how do you, you know, make a guy, especially at season out for season after season. Okay, so you're the T shirt guy like on this United States of Al, you know Parker. I mean he was great in a T shirt. He was sexy, he looked you know. I mean it just like you become a T shirt guy. But like at some point you've got to take you have to You're not so vapid there. You're more dimensional than just the T shirt guy, you know. Like so with you know, it's trying to find out but the truth of the matter is in real life, which I mean we're trying to make believe real life, some people are just like you say the T shirt guy or the sweater guy, and there's nothing wrong with that, you know, I mean, I think that's real life. And really that's the biggest compliment of all because if we can create characters that people can see themselves in. You know, certain shows like I have friends that say, oh, it's heightened reality. I don't. Yes, when I did General Hospital, I agree a show like that is heightened reality. And people want to suspend their regular life and want to aspire to be X Y and Z. But in shows like Boy Me Thrilled, the main body of my work, there are people that we want to see ourselves and people that that's what makes me want to watch a show. If I'm distracted by it's not Dynasty, you know, it's like they're real people with real problems and real families and real issues like we all have in our life. So to me, that's the mark of I've done my job well if you know, with a little flair, you know, and people want to be aspirational, and people want to look at the panger. People want to look at various characters or Sewan and go, oh, I could I could rock up more cool, I could show over this, or I could throw a leather jacket on, or I could wear as a belt, or I don't know.

00:40:48
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the leather jack. I don't know.

00:40:51
Speaker 4: I know, so you guys did a clip of it recently. I honestly don't.

00:40:56
Speaker 2: You don't remember the brand at all? Do you remember the brand was a vintage?

00:41:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly do not. And to be quite candid, I mean I remember that mister Turner had a leather jacket, but I don't. I have no real recollection of any special I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I mean, I guess what I would guess, but this is totally a guess and could not be true. I don't know if it was something that that you had from a lot, like if it was your dad's or your grandfather's or your you know what I mean. And it was.

00:41:35
Speaker 5: Also, didn't buy the leather jacket because I had it on in first season? Yeah you did so, Yeah, I remember it was mine in first season.

00:41:43
Speaker 2: So it was there from Will to Harley to me, went from Will to Me to Harley backtized to you.

00:41:51
Speaker 1: And we can spot the episode when Rider gets it. He gets it in that band on the Run episode, which I think we have another we have a picture that we're going to talk about today.

00:42:02
Speaker 4: So anybody remember this because I pulled this out from my portfolio?

00:42:07
Speaker 3: What is that? Oh my god, you were fifties.

00:42:11
Speaker 6: Yes, it's the fifties episode.

00:42:14
Speaker 4: And then look at this one.

00:42:16
Speaker 3: Yeses so.

00:42:20
Speaker 4: And then when I had addressed the pig as a song that was from I can't believe it.

00:42:28
Speaker 3: That was from Baby Gape.

00:42:30
Speaker 4: The clothes for the pig were from Baby Cap. Pig made it into my portfolio.

00:42:37
Speaker 6: Hysterical.

00:42:38
Speaker 1: So we love the story actually because it kind of makes sense, even just storyline Boy meets World storyline wise, that Eric had been wearing the leather jacket. And then in the Band on the Run episode, Corey and Sean are upstairs. We don't see them, but we assume they're getting ready, and they come running down the stairs ready to go have their performance, and that's the first time we see writer a ka Sean wearing the jacket. And we had always wondered, like, how did it all of a sudden become writers? How did it become writers? And we talked about the fact that it makes sense storyline wise that they were getting ready for this performance, and Eric said, here, man, take my jacket wear This writer just stole it.

00:43:19
Speaker 3: Stole it from Eric.

00:43:21
Speaker 6: Yeah, I and then and then.

00:43:25
Speaker 2: Just catch for the night.

00:43:27
Speaker 4: I'm thinking it better though than Eric.

00:43:30
Speaker 1: You know, it definitely did it fit Will better because it was a little big on right character wise, it really fit the Sean character. Let's jump into some of the specific pictures because I I'd like to start with a tapanga outfit because I'm just so selfish. Is from season two, episode two. It's pictures one and pictures one point five. I love these, yeah, and we I wish if you go to picture I guess it's one point five. That's what it says on my sheet. Anyway, there's a full image of it so you can see the full body because it's so cool, like a.

00:44:22
Speaker 3: Yes, with like a with like a petty skirt under it?

00:44:25
Speaker 4: Is that what those are called? Yeah, petticoat crinoline or something? Hold on, yeah, you sent me? Is that this? Oh? No? Yes? But the boats? Is that the dress? Is it this one with the dress?

00:44:37
Speaker 1: Yes, it's that one with the dress with that little petticoat under there in the boots.

00:44:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, with the with the hiking with the construction boots.

00:44:45
Speaker 3: Thought, so like Timberland boots.

00:44:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are That's my one of my favorite looks. I think I sent that last night to Jensa. I love that.

00:44:52
Speaker 3: I love it.

00:44:53
Speaker 1: And so do you remember where this dress came from? One of your many vintage places?

00:44:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you know it could have polka dots and moonbeam. I mean I know, I don't remember where that came.

00:45:04
Speaker 1: And so how did you like? Oh yes, okay, here's another to Panga one. This is ten point five?

00:45:09
Speaker 6: Okay, what was this is?

00:45:11
Speaker 4: Thinking?

00:45:11
Speaker 3: This is so cute?

00:45:13
Speaker 1: Okay, I remember feeling a little uncomfortable in this because it was so out of the realm of something anything else I had worn. But this is the the New Year's Eve episode stuck on the subway.

00:45:24
Speaker 6: I see the subway in the background.

00:45:26
Speaker 1: Now, some of these things are just things you owned, right, Like this cad do have come from your your personal collection?

00:45:34
Speaker 4: The collection I know. I actually I sent this last time. I was like, what was I thinking? Like, oh man, again, the the what was I thinking? It's always the story that drives it, you know what I mean? So it is hard to just randomly, you know, without seeing the episode or trying to remember what the reason was for it. But it is always story driven with something special toy like that, you know, is right, definitely story driven. But I agree, I love that. First look, I think that's a really special topanga look and I think so cute. Yeah, it really is. And but again then you've got into the vintage jackets. But there's another good topanga that you guys sent me that with the.

00:46:19
Speaker 3: Skirt season two, episode eight.

00:46:23
Speaker 4: Yes, with the skirt and the vest and the you know, I mean, I think that's Q two and kind of feels like the same.

00:46:29
Speaker 1: Is that the jacket with the little rhinestones, the little sparkly.

00:46:33
Speaker 4: Bits on it. Wow, I love that. And we had that in two colors. We had that in brown, and we had that in navy.

00:46:38
Speaker 1: I love that jacket and I wore it twice on the show in the second season. I wore it in the in the episode where the band on the Run episode. Because I'm wearing it in the tag, i am only wearing it for the short little tag or no, I'm actually wearing it for more than that. I wear it to the performance of the Band on the Run performance, and then I'm wearing it again at another time and I and I know in that one, I'm wearing it with like a super high pone and tons of curls. It may have been even season three then, but.

00:47:03
Speaker 4: I lo eight. I think you guys sent that.

00:47:07
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the jacket, yeah, super fitted.

00:47:10
Speaker 4: Just not too long ago when I did Big Bang Theory. I mean we were twelve seasons, and so I still had like a lot of my special pieces and collections. And when that season, when that show ended after twelve years, and I had most of my stuff like in storage at Warner Brothers because we had all these cages. So I still had many of those pieces and they're now and Warner Brothers in their rental collection. Wow. I wanted them to go to someplace special, and I didn't want to sell them. It wasn't about money or anything like that. I wanted them.

00:47:45
Speaker 1: But well, speaking about the the you showed us the picture from the fifties episode. I have a distinct memory of hearing that the shoes I'm wearing in that episode were like Lucial Ball's shoes.

00:47:59
Speaker 4: It's very possible. I don't remember, but I mean it wouldn't surprise me.

00:48:03
Speaker 1: And they were a little too small for me, and I was like, I don't care.

00:48:08
Speaker 3: I am my feet into these and I am wearing.

00:48:11
Speaker 1: Lucial Balls shoes and it was so cool and I just I loved it so much. Okay, let's go to let's go to another picture. Let's go to Eric Matthews, the great Eric Matthews. This is an image you see on the internet a lot. He looks so cute in this little sweater. It was used in season two episodes eleven, fourteen, and sixteen.

00:48:34
Speaker 4: I know, but how embarrassing that I repeated that so for your life because we wear things, of course, Yeah, you guys sent it to.

00:48:42
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you I think I agree that sweater for a little while.

00:48:48
Speaker 2: You kept it after the show.

00:48:49
Speaker 4: I know you asked me about stores, and I don't know why this just came to my mind, but at that time, there used to be a store that I'm all called Structure.

00:48:58
Speaker 6: Yeah.

00:48:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a lot of your sweaters might have come from Structure.

00:49:04
Speaker 1: That makes sense, Okay, Okay, I love it. I mean, look, you see this. This is such an Eric Matthews look.

00:49:10
Speaker 2: It's so cute, the definitive Eric Matthews.

00:49:13
Speaker 4: Wow.

00:49:13
Speaker 6: Yeah, the little roll top sweater and yep.

00:49:17
Speaker 1: Let's go to a Sean hunter. Look, this is a vest from season three, and we have talked a lot about writers vests.

00:49:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, the vest were discovered in season two. Like that happens by like episode three, it becomes every episode that from that then on.

00:49:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember like yeah, oh.

00:49:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, please please explain this look to us.

00:49:43
Speaker 4: I mean, again, I really like mixing, and I still do. I really like mixing pattern on pattern. I know it's a big faupa and it's kind of hard sometimes to get it right, and I certainly didn't always get it right. But to me, if it's in the right color, you know, if it's some how picks up the colors, it does work.

00:50:02
Speaker 1: But I mean, this is beautiful because look at the coordination the undershirt, which is probably just a generic T shirt from the app that matches so perfectly to the coral color in the vest, and then the the the button down shirt, which by the way, has my favorite type of collar. I love a wide collar like that, and then the vest picking up the yellow from that shirt.

00:50:27
Speaker 3: That's so good.

00:50:28
Speaker 1: And this is the type of thing that if I had ever put this on myself, I'd be like, oh yeah, I'll be laughed out of wherever I go, people will be like, what are you doing? But that's because I assume it must be wrong if I like it. But look how I mean, that's amazing, and I think.

00:50:42
Speaker 4: It's I think it's like you have to also look at the big picture of it, you know what I mean. It's like, yes, if you even in regular life, you know, if we dissect and take this part in that part. But again, that's why I guess it's hard for me to describe it, because I do it on a map, you know, like I sometimes put things together and go, oh no, you know, like it sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't work. It doesn't always work. And there were you know, in some of the pictures you guys sent me. I mean, you know, certain things are more successful than others. I mean, they just are you know, I don't you know again, like I'm sure you guys can say the same thing about acting. You know, I'm sure you know there are certain things that you know work better than others.

00:51:29
Speaker 2: But Sarah, when we first started, you mentioned that you had some vests made. Is that true?

00:51:34
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, a lot.

00:51:35
Speaker 4: Of the the best. Again, I would buy vintage fabric and I used to use this woman, Joe Torngren, and she she did a lot of the Drew Carey stuff. She had a studio off of Vineland, and actually when we moved to kt LA, we set up a workroom upstairs and Joe did like a lot of your guys's alterations and stuff. But she made a lot of the vests for us, and we I would buy the buttons, and I say, but and she would, we would make we would make a lot of those vests because I like had just a passion for vintage fabrick. And again it was the only way to make our show look different the other show.

00:52:22
Speaker 1: And it lasted. I mean, it really makes such a huge difference people, it really does. Like you, you set the tone because you then were only with us through part of season three, right, No, I was there.

00:52:35
Speaker 4: I was This is the not fun part of the story. I was in negotiations to come back for season four, like three days before coming back, I'd asked for more money and they like, you know, dangle the carrot of not a lot of money. And you know, it was one of those like personal growth moments or I said no and my birth and my value and it was devastating, you know, three days before I was scheduled to start after fourth of July holiday, and it was the friday before that, and so like, you know, it kind of it was a tough pill to swallow. But I was talking to a friend about it last night, and I really I remember exactly where I was sitting when I got the phone call. I remember everything about it, and I remember getting off the phone and going good for you. You know, it's really empowering to realize my value and worth because so one of the things about you guys, being minors and being in school and being you know, you had a lot of you were being pulled in a lot of different directions. So my time with you was did have been you know, between school and all of the things. And so I often would shop on the weekends, and a lot of the places I go because I was going to the Rosebult Swapmeat or you know, vintage, you know, I couldn't go on the weekends. I mean I couldn't go during the week because we had red crews and we had you know whatever, and you know Rosebult Swap meat is only on the week Sunday. Yeah, so I was very proud of myself that I said no. But so I was there, I believe, for all of Okay, doing season three, and it was in negotiation because I was at Disney. I was at Disney and then we moved to k t La.

00:54:31
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, good for you, because, like we've all had those times in our lives where we've been faced with something where we have to say, do I take it? Because I'm already here and I'm comfortable, and this is what they're offering me, and and it's very it's easier to say yes, even though I feel like they're undervaluing me.

00:54:49
Speaker 4: And every other show was already like you know, shows were already crewed up, so it wasn't like I mean, and they kept saying it was gonna work. And I hold no blame. You know. I think in life, things work out exactly how they're supposed to work out. And I, like I said, it was a very empowering moment for myself, you know, to to recognize my worth. I wish I to this day, you know, I could remember those moments because again, we all sometimes look the other way for all the reasons that you just mentioned of it's comfortable, it's easier, it's a guaranteed job. It's you know, stability, it's you know, life does take all kinds of twists and turns, but I have So it was hard, and it was hard to not get to say goodbye to you all and to you know, kind of let you know what had happened and that I wasn't not there because I didn't want to be there. You know, it's right, doesn't have abandonment issues, you know, you know, like a yeah, well that's what I'm saying, you know, but was inappropriate? You know? And I don't remember. I know when I got fired from General Hospital, I did reach out to some of the cast and let them know, you know, what had happened. Uh. But and I wasn't fired from Boy Mets World. I just right said no, just didn't work, I said no. So yeah, and.

00:56:14
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about it a lot, because there are a lot of times we think, man, why didn't It Sure would have been nice had we reached out to like Lee Norris after Lee left the show, But back then, reaching out meant do I have your landline numbers?

00:56:26
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah?

00:56:27
Speaker 6: There's no emails.

00:56:28
Speaker 1: There was no email, there was no cell phone, there was no send a text in.

00:56:32
Speaker 2: The cast phone numbers wouldn't be on any crew contact list either. You know, I don't as cast members. Did we even get crew contact lists?

00:56:39
Speaker 6: We didn't. I still have one, you just don't have. I found them.

00:56:43
Speaker 5: Yeahs so cool and Sarah, I think if memory serves because you and I hung out a little bit, I think if memory serves, you and I did talk.

00:56:53
Speaker 6: After you left.

00:56:54
Speaker 4: I feel like I did. You know, I can't exactly remember yea, yeah, I think that you're right. I mean, you know, it's a again. It was. It was awesome my time there. I was excited to go back, and but it's also not you know, we have to pick and choose the moment. That's what it is the business of show. You know, it's still I'm sure we all, I know, I do. We all still deal with that crap today, you know, Oh yeah, it still exists. And now it's you know, things have changed in such a crazy weird you know, this is the first season I didn't have a show. In my entire career, I worked a lot. I mean, I did, you know, I helped out on movies and you know, I shopped and I go work on the voice from time to time.

00:57:48
Speaker 3: That's so cool and I.

00:57:49
Speaker 4: Love it because I'm a soldier in someone else's army. I have no responsibility and I'm just lind rolling.

00:57:56
Speaker 3: It's okay, I do.

00:57:59
Speaker 1: I want to talk about two more specific pictures, because Boy Meets World is kind of famous for it's a wide array of guest stars, and you got to dress two very famous guest stars, Mina Suvari and Britney Murphy, and I want to talk about the fact that you put them in the.

00:58:18
Speaker 4: Same poking pretty serious. Oh my god. I have no idea why. I didn't recognize it until you guys sent me these pictures and I'm like, and I even texted last night. I was like, whoa, I'm in the text.

00:58:32
Speaker 3: Yah, I was like, what was I thinking? I mean, at least I look at that, but I'm so cool. What a cool undershirt?

00:58:40
Speaker 4: Though I know it is, But I have no idea why I would you know if there was? I have no idea because I don't remember, you know, like story wise, who are we and what was it intentional? I mean, I really don't know. But I was appalled when I saw last week whenever it was because I mean, at least they were two different seasons, but it was the end of season two, are close to its episode sixteen, and then yeah, I really don't know, well their style.

00:59:13
Speaker 1: Differently, I know they are and it's just cool too because it's like obviously in the first in the Minasuvari one, she's wearing a crop sweater, and even though we got away with a lot of, you know, a lot of things because it was on primetime, we still would never have had a young girl in a crop top without something under Oh no, no, So I could see how you know, when you own that cool pink polka dot thing and it's in basically, probably for you, a rack of quote unquote basics.

00:59:39
Speaker 6: Yeah, then if.

00:59:40
Speaker 1: You're going, okay, we love this crop green thing and you're just going through your basics, what can I put under it?

00:59:45
Speaker 3: What can I put under it? And you go, oh my gosh, this should be great under there.

00:59:48
Speaker 1: And then a similar thing if you have this cute denim vest and the big belt, which is also like to me a calling card of Sarah Markowitz.

00:59:54
Speaker 3: You love a great thick, cool belt.

00:59:58
Speaker 4: Chunky.

00:59:59
Speaker 6: I think they'd say Dani chunky.

01:00:00
Speaker 1: Chunky belt, chunky belt to accentuate the waste. Uh is just awesome. And then another thing, another guest star outfit I could not not mention is Danielle Harris. You had daniel Harris who was in the Sister Teresa episode. We laughed so hard when we saw it.

01:00:21
Speaker 3: She has a.

01:00:22
Speaker 1: Skirt on that has the sex pistols front and it says sex kitten, a sex.

01:00:30
Speaker 2: Kitten, like a full on under.

01:00:34
Speaker 6: A boost.

01:00:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and look at that leather jacket.

01:00:41
Speaker 6: No, I'm sorry, she's not a sophomore. She's supposed to be in like the eighth grade, isn't she.

01:00:48
Speaker 4: Cory little flat? Look at her?

01:00:51
Speaker 6: Look at her.

01:00:52
Speaker 3: I just absolutely love it.

01:00:55
Speaker 4: I I mean some of my favorites actually regarding guest stars, like I like, what was it Ethan Suppley and like I loved those two. I thought they were a great addition to the show. And I love the characters, and you know, I do have memories of them. I worked with Ethan another time after that. He was in I did a movie called A Year Without a Santa Claus. I think it was called The Year with Santa Claus, and he John Goodman was played Santa Claus, but Ethan was in it. Like as one of the elves and yeah, so it was great to cross paths and Betsy like I stayed friends in touch with her for a while. Yeah, I definitely did. And she was cool like in some of my other picture. I know you have pictures that you're showing me, but I pulled out my portfolio and there were some pictures. Oh yeah, this is what we didn't like.

01:01:59
Speaker 2: The look we got away from from.

01:02:01
Speaker 6: You know what's funny is I think those were my clothes.

01:02:05
Speaker 1: Well, look at you three boys there there we go. Yeah, the bowling shirts. Oh my gosh, I'll get that photo shoot with us on the motorcycle. Remember the motorcycle, A leather jackets, those yellow boots. I have had dreams about those yellow boots.

01:02:19
Speaker 4: Oh the cowboy boots.

01:02:20
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, where do you find cowboy boots? I want I want to x cowboy boots.

01:02:26
Speaker 4: I mean the you know, there's a cool I don't know if it's still there. I mean at the swap meet first. Okay, you were you say seven? You?

01:02:35
Speaker 1: Yes, you were seven six and a half because my feet shrunk after children.

01:02:39
Speaker 6: But yes, remember remember, I'll have to look.

01:02:46
Speaker 4: I might have the yellow maybe not those, Yeah, but I I was a big cowboy boot girl.

01:02:52
Speaker 1: I remember, I have a fantastic picture. I'm going to find it. I have a fantastic picture of you and I and you were wearing.

01:03:00
Speaker 4: But you all signed it.

01:03:01
Speaker 3: I know, look how and I loved that outfit too, that that little skirt.

01:03:06
Speaker 4: Can you show it?

01:03:06
Speaker 6: Can you show me again? Show it one more time?

01:03:09
Speaker 3: My little upside down.

01:03:12
Speaker 6: I don't think, Oh, there it is. I was like, I don't think I signed it. There it is. There we go, gotcha.

01:03:18
Speaker 4: I don't know if this was funny.

01:03:21
Speaker 3: And the shrouds we was that? Was that the sign on your door?

01:03:27
Speaker 2: Yeah?

01:03:27
Speaker 6: Yeah, costume goddess. I remember that.

01:03:30
Speaker 4: Yes, my business card still says costume goddess.

01:03:34
Speaker 6: Are you still in the most colorful house on the block?

01:03:37
Speaker 4: It's not purple? I I know I saw that house. I'm a happy renter.

01:03:43
Speaker 6: I remember you and I were in It was either my car your car.

01:03:46
Speaker 5: We had lunch or something, and you drove me by your old house and you're like, three guesses which house is mine?

01:03:53
Speaker 6: Gray? White, gray, right, bright purple? Like was like, I'm guessing that one.

01:03:57
Speaker 4: You're like, uh huh, I love that house. That was That's so funny.

01:04:14
Speaker 1: We had a limited, relatively short amount of time with you, and yet, to be honest, and this is not a diss to anybody who came before or after you, but we don't remember any other wardrobe people. We truly we were talking about when you left, and then we were like, and so then who came next?

01:04:31
Speaker 4: I remember Julie, she didn't come to I think, wasn't she after me?

01:04:38
Speaker 3: She was in between.

01:04:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was like six or seven.

01:04:43
Speaker 6: I remember Julie, but and I remember Sarah, And that's kind of it.

01:04:46
Speaker 7: So, yeah, well then Girl Meets World, right, Yes, we did Girl Meets World, and there was a lot of There was a lot there was a contentious wardrobe situation on that show as well.

01:04:58
Speaker 2: Really yeah, that's Disney Channel, which would have been a different vibe. And I feel like, yeah, I mean there was a you know, what's what's interesting is like, you know, there's always this tension you also want to look cool or contemporary, and like, what I love about what you did, Sarah is that it wasn't that concerned with that, do you know what I mean? It was like you and I remember thinking why is everybody dressing a little different? And then realizing that we were ahead of the curve like that that the looks that you were picking for us were becoming popular after like a year or two.

01:05:31
Speaker 3: To set the tone.

01:05:32
Speaker 2: Yes, it was incredible.

01:05:33
Speaker 4: I think I tried to do that on Twin Peaks as well. I mean, you know, I always joke about we were mad about plaid, like you know, became like a cool you know, it was a really big thing. And again, you never know what's gonna you know, take off, or what people are gonna adapt, or what's gonna work or not. You know, it's again I wish I could say because I went to the Fashion Institute and I learned this, or you know, I think growing up, you know, as a rich kind of snob in Beverly Hills and my mom taking me to sax or you know, special expensive stores, and I would come on, I did that Flashdan sweatshirt long before that movie, right, I was cutting off clothes and my poor you know, snobby mom.

01:06:19
Speaker 3: Was like mortified, why are you cutting.

01:06:23
Speaker 4: Wearing sweatshirts, putting the shirt sleeves as pants, you know, wearing like like you know, yeah, she was like horrified that you know, she would buy me these beautiful, expensive clothes and I would come home and cut the sleeves off her, you know, and so the sleeves on.

01:06:39
Speaker 5: You know.

01:06:40
Speaker 4: It just was I didn't want to look like everybody else, you know, I really growing up the way that I did, and I was very lucky. I just didn't want to be a number at Beverly High. That's why I left there and I went to Windward, which you know, you have to have money to go to and so you think going to a rich private school, there all going to be awful people like they were at Beverly High. But we were artists, we weren't. You know. It was a different upbringing than than you know, being a number. I had twelve people in my graduating class at Beverly High. I probably would have had twelve hundred people, you know what I mean.

01:07:14
Speaker 6: I was a person.

01:07:15
Speaker 4: I wasn't a number, and same at Bennington, like I think there's only like four hundred people or six hundred people in the whole school.

01:07:23
Speaker 5: You know.

01:07:24
Speaker 4: It was always important for me to not stand out, but to be individual, and I think I tried to do that through my work with you know, creating characters, because we're not all cookie cutter molds of you know, and people often say they think and producers think, oh, what's the big deal? I get dressed every day. Okay, you do, but creating characters is not that, you know, and they would always.

01:07:52
Speaker 2: Exclus more than that.

01:07:53
Speaker 4: I think it's still true to this day, you know, saying oh, I have to work on the weekend, and they say no, but the art department, you know, they change the script on a Friday night, right, you know, they add a new set, and so they'll approve the art department to work on the weekend because they don't add a room on their houses over the weekend. Right, get dressed every day, so there isn't you know. They like, well, what's the big deal? You just go into the closet, And on some levels they're right, it's not a big deal. But it depending on the script or what it might be, you just don't know.

01:08:29
Speaker 6: You know, it takes time. I mean, it takes time. It takes talent.

01:08:32
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I don't know about about you guys, but I don't alter my clothes like fifty pins to pin. I mean, you know, but it's like the cobbler shoes, So you know, do all do you know your clothes are altered? And you know, or they're there, they don't want I don't want them to look brand news, so they're washed so they're soft, or they're overdyed so they're not bright white because the photography doesn't want to shoot something that's white. So you have to I mean, you don't just go to the gap or any store and necessarily walk out and put that shut it on what on and go straight to camera. There's there are many more steps involved in it, you know, so it is a little bit different than you know, just getting dressed. But you know, there isn't but which is good that they don't get it in some way because they don't recognize. But as you all know, as actors, there's a lot of thought that goes into it. Of course, you know, I'm not sure for you too, how you're going to deliver the line or what your feelings are in that scene, or how you're gonna represent that person. And you know, so it's a team sport, it really is. And if any part of it doesn't work, then then I feel for me, I haven't done my job if it doesn't feel right for you guys as as actors.

01:09:49
Speaker 1: Well, you definitely made us feel like we were in on on the process. I mean, you've influenced all of us. Like Will said, he still feels like he's you know, all he's ever trying to do is Sarah Markowitz himself. And I really attribute my love of vintage clothing. You say, Actually, I'm going to send you a picture I have. I bought a vintage dress gosh, maybe like six months ago, and I don't know how to style it.

01:10:19
Speaker 6: I don't know.

01:10:20
Speaker 3: I'm going to send it to you because I think you're gonna love it.

01:10:22
Speaker 1: It's so it seems so you, and so I'm going to send it to you and see if you can help me style it and come up with something for it.

01:10:27
Speaker 3: Okay, great cowboy boots, I know cowboys, Choky Belt.

01:10:31
Speaker 7: I mean, I know.

01:10:32
Speaker 4: Dede said, hold on, I'll be right back.

01:10:34
Speaker 3: I'm sure that don't get them. Go get those yellow boots right now.

01:10:38
Speaker 1: I want to see them.

01:10:40
Speaker 3: What if she has the yellow boots? You guys, DEDI had the lobster and blew our minds.

01:10:46
Speaker 1: If she actually walks out with these yellow boots, so these must have been hers and she's also a size seven.

01:10:52
Speaker 6: Okay, that's how she remembered my eyes.

01:10:54
Speaker 1: Because she's probably going, yeah, it was easy for me to throw you into cool shoes I had. And by the way, for all of our dear listeners who are wondering what we're talking about exactly, we have all of the images we talked about today with Sarah and we will be posting all of them so you get to follow along with us and you can see exactly what we're talking about.

01:11:13
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't look at those hollow ones. They might Oh, I can go to the other place. But I have the pink ones.

01:11:19
Speaker 3: My gosh, you look at those.

01:11:22
Speaker 4: Because these are too small for me. But like you said, you know, when something's good, you just have to keep it. And yes, wow, it's too small for me, but they might fit you.

01:11:29
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'll buy them from you. Whatever they are, whatever you whatever they are, I want them.

01:11:33
Speaker 6: I want them.

01:11:34
Speaker 4: Please. It's so funny because on the United States about one of my actresses, who you know, I think if you saw her clothes, you would understand, Oh that's Sarah definitely, but she is the nine. So she was wearing my boots, like a lot of my boots I would put on her.

01:11:54
Speaker 3: Oh that's funny.

01:11:55
Speaker 1: So I just said when you walked away, I said, I bet Sarah is a seven, which is how you remembered that I was a seven.

01:12:00
Speaker 3: So I wasn't sharing your.

01:12:01
Speaker 4: Shoes, I used, Well, I used to be like a seven and a half. Okay, And the true of the matter is not unlike you said about those shoes, it depends how much I like the shoe. Right then you just wear them, you know, it doesn't matter.

01:12:18
Speaker 6: There.

01:12:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, you wear bigger socks, you know, it's just the things.

01:12:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, you put an insert if they're too big. You can put an insert in the shoe the socks. Yeah, exactly, you'll find a way.

01:12:28
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, we cannot thank you enough for spending the time with us here today.

01:12:33
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. She was so fun. She was exactly like I.

01:12:38
Speaker 2: Remember her, exactly as I remember the best, so good at her job.

01:12:42
Speaker 4: I love that.

01:12:43
Speaker 2: I imagine that there are listeners out there who have, based on listening to this now want to be a costume designers, like because you know, it's one of those things you probably don't all think about, Like you know why, it's it's such a cool job. I would never wanted because I have no ability in this area. But like if you have that skill set and you enjoy shopping for clothes or finding you know, it's such a it's such an amazing way to express yourself. It's such an interesting artistic engagement. It's such a what a cool thing.

01:13:16
Speaker 3: I know, it is so cool, and she really set the tone.

01:13:19
Speaker 5: You will like I hate them all everybody, but again, like like in Danielle, our favorite movie are close to our favorite movie Defending Your Life, where every just wears the tupa. Everybody just goes and wears the same, the single one piece thing. It's orm absolutely we're all in togas or whatever, and that's it just super simple.

01:13:39
Speaker 1: I mean, I have I have friends who have sent their kids to private school specifically because the stress for them of figuring out what they're going to wear and it needed to be something that seems cool and the fitting in. They want to go to a place with you know, uniforms, so that they get to take that off their plate. But man, okay, so cool. Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram, where we will be putting up all the pictures of the things we talked about today. That's Podmeets World Show. You can send us your emails podmeets World Show at gmail dot com. And as always, we have merch She's a merchiac. Merchiac on the floor.

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