The Greatest Trilogy of All Movies — Intentionally Blank Ep. 255

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<v SPEAKER_02>So, how annoyed are people going to be that they've got three weeks in a row of us talking about movie trilogies?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Hopefully there is something in between.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>How many of the comments will be complaining about this?

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<v SPEAKER_02>And how many of the comments?

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<v SPEAKER_01>I think most of the comments will be talking about our choices.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And I think there will be a couple of comments way at the bottom that's like I think actually most of the people who are really sick of us talking about movies are just not going to comment.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They're going to Yeah, they're just not going to watch this episode.

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<v SPEAKER_01>They're just not going to watch the episode.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Fair enough.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So these might be really low viewership episodes, but that's those of you who tuned in know that I'm getting your Skyward books signed.

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<v SPEAKER_02>You can feel confident that the podcast is continuing and I am signing books as I am supposed to do.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And you can rest easy, know that Dan's doing his job keeping me entertained as I do this mind-numbly boring job.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I'll also say in our big three-episode marathon, I've maintained my voice fairly well.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, you have.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I thought that it was going to drop out harder than it had.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But we have some good ones.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So if you want a preview, we have Evil Dead in here.

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<v SPEAKER_02>We have Toy Story in here.

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<v SPEAKER_02>We have Mad Max.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So, you know, you may want to hang out.

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<v SPEAKER_02>There's going to be some good stuff.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Let's talk poorly about movies in a way that'll enrage you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>All right.

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<v SPEAKER_02>What's next?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Toy Story is funny and not brought up.

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<v SPEAKER_01>We're starting with three Toy Story.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Toy Story is one where my brother would tell you that the third is the strongest one.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That they get better over time.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Number two, in my opinion, is the best.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Not a bad film in that group, though.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Even three is very good.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Well, and it hangs together.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Four is the bad one, right?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Four is pretty bad.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Four is pretty bad.

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<v SPEAKER_02>We don't need a fifth.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But three is like it completes the trilogy.

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<v SPEAKER_02>One, you know, new toy comes on.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Two, you know, like this whole escalation.

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<v SPEAKER_02>He's a teenager.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Three, we find somebody new.

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<v SPEAKER_02>The cycle continues.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like I don't think he's a teenager yet in two.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But it is, you know, it expands the world significantly.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>You're right.

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<v SPEAKER_02>He's not quite a teenager yet.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But isn't two where he leaves Woody behind?

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<v SPEAKER_00>No, two.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Two is when he's a collectible.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Three is when he gets left behind.

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<v SPEAKER_02>He's a collectible.

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<v SPEAKER_02>He's a collectible.

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<v SPEAKER_02>You're right.

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<v SPEAKER_02>They're doing a yard sale.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yard sale.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yard sale.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But no, I swear.

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<v SPEAKER_02>No, two.

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<v SPEAKER_01>At the end of three is where he gets all the toys back from the preschool and he takes them to the little girl.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But the opening of two is where he saves the little squeaky toy.

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<v SPEAKER_02>What?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, he saves he saves the penguin.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Oh, save the penguin.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But then he falls in instead.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, you're right.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, you're right.

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<v SPEAKER_02>He doesn't get left behind.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Where is it?

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<v SPEAKER_02>He rips his arm.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It's on his way out.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So from the yard sale, he gets ripped.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So it is.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It is true where he leaves him behind.

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<v SPEAKER_02>He leaves Woody behind.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Accidentally.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Woody gets accidentally sold.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He gets napped, doesn't he?

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<v SPEAKER_01>But his arm gets ripped and he's like, I need to leave Woody behind.

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<v SPEAKER_01>No, that's a that's like a nightmare sequence Woody has.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um where Andy says I don't want to put in a view with you anymore.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yes, that's the first movie.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's the first movie.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I know that.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But he does get his arm ripped.

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<v SPEAKER_02>His arm gets ripped off as he's being taken away by the S gets sewn back on and it's buffer, and Bo Peep's like, ooh, it's buffer.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So all right.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Anyway, I'm gonna stick it in S.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I don't think he can go anywhere else respectfully.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I'll put it in S too, and I'm gonna put it struggling above.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Ooh.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Is it an S for you, Dan?

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's a it's a it is an S and it's above aliens.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I don't think I'm gonna put it above Bourne.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I am gonna put it above Steve Rogers, Captain America.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But not above The Godfather.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I want our audience to know because they can't actually see the graphics that Donald has created.

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<v SPEAKER_01>He's gonna put it in the city.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But he spelled Captain wrong in Captain America.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Look, I was on I had to be rushed, alright?

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<v SPEAKER_00>I was typing fast.

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<v SPEAKER_01>We'll make sure that we do hope that these graphics will eventually be available.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We will make sure all of you can see them.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Don't worry.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But you don't want to go look at it immediately because otherwise it'll spoil everything.

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<v SPEAKER_02>We will hopefully have one at the end of each episode in next episode.

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<v SPEAKER_02>No, it'll be with the episode.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Just don't look.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Just don't look till the end.

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<v unknown>All right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>All right, what's next?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Alright, next we have Toby Maguire Spider-Man trilogy.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Ooh, baby.

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<v SPEAKER_00>We've done a lot of the current MCU.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I thought we'd pull back and see what the old one's like.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Here's the thing Spider-Man 2 with Toby Maguire is next to the Dark Knight as my two favorite superhero movies of all time.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I think that those are mad at me.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Alright.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I don't think it's all time great.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Really?

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<v SPEAKER_02>You're gonna get mad at me.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Here's the thing.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Well, you just said that here's the thing.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Here's another thing.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Uh-huh.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I don't think Toby Maguire is a good Spider-Man.

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<v SPEAKER_02>He just doesn't.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And I think Mary Jane is really miscast in those films.

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<v SPEAKER_02>That I'll agree with.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Like, I can't buy their romance ever.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Toby Maguire is a fantastic actor, but he's so weepy and so mopey and so not the character of Spider-Man that I know from reading Spider-Man comics.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I'm not a big comic side, but I've read enough of them that he's just not a great Spider-Man.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And that looms over it.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Even though Alfred Molina does a fantastic job, and even though the action sequences are revolutionary for their time, and it is a very strong film, like Toby Aguire is just not a great Spider-Man.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I'm sorry, guys.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I think he's better than you think he is.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like I I think of the three modern live-action Spider-Man, he's the weakest.

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<v SPEAKER_01>He is the weakest.

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<v SPEAKER_01>For sure.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But they're still good films.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Three is bad, but that's not Sam Raimi's fault.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It's the fault of putting Venom in this movie because Sandman was such a great villain.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Sandman would have been so good as a standalone villain.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But we have to judge it as a trilogy, and as a trilogy, it kind of fails a little bit.

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<v SPEAKER_01>As a trilogy, it falls apart because Three is a genuinely bad movie.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But as a concept for Harry's arc, Three does hold up.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Like gives a nice arc to Harry Osborne and whatnot.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I'll put it in B.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I'm sorry, internet.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I know this is one that you're gonna hate.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It is uh yeah, I think it's as strong as the Born Films and How to Train Your Dragon.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I think it is a B.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I don't think three, like some of the scenes that people think are bad in three are not as bad as people say.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Like the scene where he's all emo and stuff is really cringe, but it's supposed to be.

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<v SPEAKER_02>In context, it's a fun scene because you're you're like, you have no idea how to be cool, and that's the joke, and it's very Sam Raimi.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But yeah, B for me, kids.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I'll put it B as well, and I will put it above Matrix, but below Nolan Batman.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So I'm gonna get yelled at for putting in B, and everyone's gonna be like, with you, they're like, oh, we're glad he at least put it in B.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I don't know.

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<v SPEAKER_01>All right, Michael Bay tier called Dan Just Wants to Piss You Off, and I'll put all your favorite movies in it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, so what'd you say?

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<v SPEAKER_01>The Michael Bay Transformers.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Michael Bay Transformers.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>D.

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<v SPEAKER_01>None of these are great movies.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The first one is good.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, I don't think the first one's good.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I think the first one is good.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I will say it is a good movie.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, maybe.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Especially if you view it as Megan Fox is the lead character, because she actually has a really good arc in it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Where Shia LaBeouf doesn't.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yep.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But it sure doesn't treat her like a main character.

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<v SPEAKER_02>No, treats her like eye candy because it's Matt Bay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, that's an easy D.

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<v SPEAKER_01>All right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But wear in D.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Oh.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Oh.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, it's below Star Wars prequels.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Oh okay.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Same for you, Brandon.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I assume.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, I don't think any of them are great movies.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I wouldn't watch the first one again if you offered to let me watch it.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I would rather do nothing, you know.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I have no need to watch any of them again.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Now when I we're putting this in D and things like this, you argue kind of to me in the first one, though you didn't say it.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Is that this is in the frame of reference of how we're like are these D's in that they're two out of ten films?

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<v SPEAKER_02>No, they're probably like fours or fives.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But in the context of what we're doing here, we don't have a lot of ones and twos.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But I don't know.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Is it better than the Star Wars prequels?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, it is.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_02>You think Transformers is?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>They're competently made films.

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<v SPEAKER_02>The Star Wars prequels are not competently made films.

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<v SPEAKER_02>That's the problem with the Star Wars prequels.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Michael Bake at least is able to follow the formula and is able to give you minimal character arcs.

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<v SPEAKER_02>He's able to make scenes that make sense.

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<v SPEAKER_02>You are correct.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I think I still am gonna put them below the prequels.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Because if forced, I would rewatch the prequels before I would rewatch.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, I would too.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But that comes to the because the prequels have gotten bad enough that they're in my negative scale a little bit, and they are funny, bad.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Whereas Transformers movies are boring badly boring bad.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Okay, what's next?

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<v SPEAKER_02>They might just be twos and threes, actually.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I don't think they're ones, but anyway.

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<v SPEAKER_02>All right.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Ant-M.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yep.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Ant-Man trilogy.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So I liked the first one.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But I didn't love it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I thought the second one was boring.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Really?

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<v SPEAKER_01>And I thought the third one was a disaster.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Third one is a fun disaster.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It's funny bad.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So true disaster.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Like below a one out of ten.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Like absolute true disaster.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It is definitely disaster.

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<v SPEAKER_01>A movie that I think I would enjoy watching it with you while we make fun of it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Bad movie night, bad.

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<v SPEAKER_01>When I watched it just normally, I was I and that's a problem.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Wasted my time.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I was angry at the directors.

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<v SPEAKER_02>If you make bad movie bad by yourself, you know, it's just an awful experience.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And so I like movie two quite a bit.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Really?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Uh yeah, I think Ghost is an interesting villain.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Really works for Ant-Man to have a sympathetic villain where one doesn't have as good a sympathetic villain.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I think one part of what makes one work is like there's a normal guy who's got some kind of superpower stuff, but he's trying to do normal guy stuff.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And that makes one and two both work pretty well.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I think the acting is solid in all of them, both the first two.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I'll say it's passable.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I don't know if I'll say it's solid.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Here's the thing about one, and I suppose you can apply this to two as well.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It was heralded as the comedy MCU movie.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like we've done all these different genres.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Now we're gonna do a comedy.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And it kind of fits into that role.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's more a funny heist.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But there is It's not a comedy.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You stack it up against other non-MCU comedies, yeah, and it is not anywhere in that.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Well, Michael Pina, is that how you say it's Michael Pinha Pena is hilarious in both of those movies.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And Paul Rudd's fine.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I like him.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And then Randall Park is great.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Randall Park, I love.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Even the little girl's stepdad, he was great.

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<v SPEAKER_02>He's great.

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<v SPEAKER_02>The little girl is good in them.

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<v SPEAKER_02>She's cute and she acts well.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Like I think that I have to put these in B.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I think a lot of people would put them in C.

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<v SPEAKER_02>If the third one were as good as the others, I would actually put it in A.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But it's not that's crazy to me.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Uh, but it is at the bottom of B.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It is definitely below the Toby McGuire uh Spider-Man trilogy.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um I really didn't like two, and I'm surprised to hear that you did.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I felt like the characters were so underdeveloped that I never really had sympathy for Ghost.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Wasp never felt like a real person to me.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so I'm actually gonna put this in D.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And I know.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That's where where most people put it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I'm gonna put it just below Jurassic Park.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I every time I watch one of those.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, two and three are so bad.

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<v SPEAKER_01>One is so good, and two or three are so bad.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Two is not bad.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Two really isn't that bad.

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<v SPEAKER_02>You can move it.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Three is just a generic monster film.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like, it's not like put Jurassic Park up.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, into C.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's at the end of C, but I am gonna bump it up because I feel guilty every time I see it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You should feel guilty about Ant-Man.

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<v SPEAKER_02>They're fun films.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I agree.

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<v SPEAKER_02>They're what the MCU needed to do more of.

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<v SPEAKER_02>The problem with three is that they're like, well, all of our films have to be giant world-ending epics.

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<v SPEAKER_02>No, some of them can just be goofy Ant-Man and his friends are trying to not get arrested and turn their lives and make them, you know, live straight.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And life messes with them.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And Pim is a jerk and he messes up their lives, and yeah, they're just they're just what the MCU needed more of.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I I agree the MCU needed smaller stories.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I feel like all three of the Ant-Man stories are fairly weak.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Anyway, what's next?

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<v SPEAKER_01>This is the Evil Dead trilogy.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I am gonna recuse myself from this.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I have only seen Army of the Dead, and that's because Brandon showed it to me in college.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Army of Darkness.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Army of Darkness.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So Evil Dead is a fantastic trilogy.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So there are trilogies that hang together because they're fulfilling a character arc.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Then there are trilogies where each trilogy tries to do something new and interesting, right?

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<v SPEAKER_02>And we've seen multiple on here that the first one did something and the second something did something new and interesting, and the third was unable to, right?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Like Evil Dead one's a straight-up horror film.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Evil Dead 2 is a comedy.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It's like a Looney Tunes film where people die.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And it's mostly just Ash in a room with almost nobody else going crazy.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And it's really cool how they do it.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Come to saying the budget.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Three is like, hey, we actually have a budget now.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Let's make an epic fantasy film with Ash as the main character.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Three is the weakest, even though I the parts of three I like the most, I like the best.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It's just the middle of three has a bunch of we ran out of our budget.

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<v SPEAKER_02>We spent it on cool action scenes with things.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And so we're gonna make Evil Dead 2 again for a little while, and then we're gonna come back and make Evil Dead 3.

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<v SPEAKER_02>There's just some Ash in the forest by himself being goofy.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And it's an excellent trilogy.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I uh it's a tough pick.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I don't know where I'd put it either, honestly.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It definitely was influential.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It holds together.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It's S.

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<v SPEAKER_02>You okay.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Evil Dead is S.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Even with the third one being weak.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Here's my arguments.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I have to bump it up by being cohesive in a really interesting way.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I have to bump it up by influence over the industry.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It is hugely influential to a lot of people.

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<v SPEAKER_02>The third one isn't the strongest.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It doesn't get that bump up, but if the third one were strongest, like it would go toe-to-toe with any of these others.

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<v SPEAKER_02>The Evilhead trilogy is the strong a trilogy as the Captain America trilogy.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Captain Mill trilogy has two great films and one medium great film that half of it's great.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Same for Evil Dead.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I can't put it anywhere but S.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Sounds good to me.

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<v SPEAKER_02>This is my makeup to Sam Raimi for putting his Spider-Man trilogy all the way down in B.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And Donald, make sure that you eventually create a category where we just don't have an opinion.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It is, they will be in the non-opinion section.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Because if you leave Evil Dead in F for me, people are gonna string me up.

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<v SPEAKER_01>All right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>All right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>What do we got?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Austin Powers trilogy.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Austin Powers.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Austin Powers.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Three solid films.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Little repetitive.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The third one is the weakest.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But it's I it's still funny.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Definitely not everyone's cup of tea.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Like I've never shown them to Emily.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I do not think Emily would appreciate the brand of humor unless it were really late at night and she were really tired.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Maybe.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But like doing nothing revolutionary, but doing it well, B.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I don't know.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I I will almost say that the first Austin Powers was kind of revolutionary.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Is it?

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's not even our first spy comedy, though, right?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Like Top Secret is.

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<v SPEAKER_02>We'd had spy comedies before.

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<v SPEAKER_02>The same style, right?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Top Secret is the same film.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Right?

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<v SPEAKER_02>No, I would not say that.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It's not because Top Secret plays it straight and he doesn't.

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<v SPEAKER_01>What they're doing with Austin Powers is a very specific James Bond parody.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But changing him to this like swinging hippie guy, which is such a weird choice, and I have to love it for that reason.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I'm gonna put it in B and I'm gonna put it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>No, I'm gonna put it in A.

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<v SPEAKER_01>At the end of A.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Interesting.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I think they're all good films.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It's just I don't feel like each subsequent film adds anything.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I don't think, like, if we look at impact on the market, it didn't have an impact.

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<v SPEAKER_02>There weren't further films.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It was the end of an era rather than the beginning of era.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It did take the Zucker Zucker Abrams, or is it Abrams, Abrams, Zucker?

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<v SPEAKER_02>The airplane police squad formula, and it didn't do that.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It did a new type of parody.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I'll agree with you that it did that.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But each film just has the same jokes, but they just do something different with them, and they're still funny.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It's not like it's bad because but they just kind of do the same jokes over and over again.

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<v SPEAKER_02>They just maybe escalate them a little bit.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I think you've talked me into a B.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Let's put this in B, but let's put it in between Matrix and Iron Man.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, if you would put Austin Powers above the Nolan Batman trilogy, then that's insane.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Two second question.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm curious since we're talking spy comedies.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Does Skyfall Spectre and No Time to Die count as a trilogy?

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<v SPEAKER_00>No.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Or does Quantum and Casino pull it down to a five?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, you can't make a cohesive trilogy out of those films.

00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:08.480
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:08.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:14.799
<v SPEAKER_01>Especially because Quantum is such a direct sequel to Casino Royale.

00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:15.759
<v SPEAKER_01>It just doesn't work.

00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:16.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:18.160
<v SPEAKER_02>There's just no way to make a trilogy out of those.

00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:20.480
<v SPEAKER_02>Like we didn't put on the Mission Impossible movies.

00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:21.119
<v SPEAKER_02>Yes, for purpose.

00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:21.920
<v SPEAKER_02>For a purpose.

00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:31.920
<v SPEAKER_02>Like some of these that have another one, you can make a cohesive trilogy out of them, either through there was a lot of time before the fourth one, or there's something the first three are doing that the later ones don't.

00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:32.160
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:36.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Like Born really does feel like a trilogy, even though there's lots more.

00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:39.839
<v SPEAKER_01>It's a very solid trilogy with a good conclusion.

00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:40.160
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:42.000
<v SPEAKER_01>And then they have then they made two more movies.

00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:42.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Same with Toy Story.

00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:48.400
<v SPEAKER_01>Whereas like Mission Impossible, um, they're just a bunch of movies in a series.

00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:48.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Yep.

00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:49.759
<v SPEAKER_01>All right.

00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:50.880
<v SPEAKER_01>The Blade trilogy.

00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:51.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Blade.

00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:52.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Blade.

00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:54.160
<v SPEAKER_01>I know you don't like these as much as I do.

00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:56.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, I don't know if that's true.

00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:57.200
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Because I really love Blade.

00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:02.880
<v SPEAKER_01>And I really love Blade 2.

00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:03.519
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:05.839
<v SPEAKER_01>And Blade 3 is really funny.

00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.200
<v SPEAKER_01>It's I don't think it's a good Blade movie, but it's so funny.

00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:09.759
<v SPEAKER_01>It is.

00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:11.519
<v SPEAKER_01>That's the one where he won't wake up, right?

00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:11.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:12.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Where he won't open his eyes.

00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:13.359
<v SPEAKER_02>Oh, yes.

00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.160
<v SPEAKER_01>And Blade is in it.

00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:20.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:22.160
<v SPEAKER_02>Oh, that's hilarious.

00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.160
<v SPEAKER_02>Three is bad movie, fun.

00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:25.920
<v SPEAKER_02>Camp like and things.

00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:30.079
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, but also we do owe a lot to the Blade trilogy.

00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Like, I don't think we'd have gotten X-Men or Spider-Man if Blade hadn't been a successful.

00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.799
<v SPEAKER_01>I do think Blade is the first of the modern superhero movies.

00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:39.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:44.720
<v SPEAKER_01>And it took a while and it took some other entries before superheroes took over everything.

00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:46.240
<v SPEAKER_01>You wouldn't put the Batman ones?

00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.079
<v SPEAKER_01>That's where I'd put the modern superheroes.

00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.759
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't know if we can call those modern because they started coming out in the 80s.

00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:52.240
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:53.519
<v SPEAKER_01>That's modern to me.

00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:56.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Like that was 40 years ago.

00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:59.359
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, but I mean these started coming out in the 90s.

00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:00.559
<v SPEAKER_02>They're five years later.

00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:01.920
<v SPEAKER_02>Well, okay.

00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:06.480
<v SPEAKER_02>That's a good you could even make an argument for Christopher Viv's Superman being the first modern one.

00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:07.119
<v SPEAKER_00>Really?

00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:09.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Because you you've got the old black and white serial.

00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.880
<v SPEAKER_02>But yeah, but that's the advent of the modern blockbuster, right?

00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:13.279
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:14.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Star Wars is a modern film.

00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.279
<v SPEAKER_02>Like I think the dividing line is the 70s.

00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:22.079
<v SPEAKER_01>I see them as there were some superhero movies.

00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:28.799
<v SPEAKER_01>And then Blade made people take superheroes seriously in a way they hadn't before.

00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:30.559
<v SPEAKER_02>I think they did that on Batman.

00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:32.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Tim Burton's Batman.

00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:36.559
<v SPEAKER_02>Huge blockbuster, made more than Blade did, launched multiple careers.

00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.039
<v SPEAKER_02>So that's a different discussion.

00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:40.559
<v SPEAKER_02>Where do we actually put Blade?

00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:50.160
<v SPEAKER_02>Quality-wise, quality-wise of the films without rose-colored glasses.

00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:56.160
<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, two is Guillermo del Toro going ham with horror.

00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:56.559
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:58.319
<v SPEAKER_01>And it is a high quality movie.

00:20:58.559 --> 00:20:59.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, it is.

00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:02.720
<v SPEAKER_01>But one is campy, and three is more campy.

00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:03.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.079
<v SPEAKER_02>I have to put it in a fond C.

00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:07.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:08.880
<v SPEAKER_02>I have to put it in a fond.

00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:10.880
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean I have Terminator and C.

00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:11.279
<v SPEAKER_02>Come on.

00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:12.319
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, okay.

00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:12.640
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:13.440
<v SPEAKER_02>That's a good point.

00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:15.519
<v SPEAKER_02>I have Terminator as a trilogy in C.

00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:16.079
<v SPEAKER_02>Blade.

00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:17.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Like the third movie is not.

00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:18.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:19.599
<v SPEAKER_02>I have to put Blade in C.

00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:19.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:21.440
<v SPEAKER_02>But it's a really fond C internet.

00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:22.559
<v SPEAKER_02>I'm very fond of it.

00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:23.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:23.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Here's the thing.

00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:25.119
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm going to put it in C as well.

00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:25.519
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:34.960
<v SPEAKER_01>And I want you to know that How to Train Your Dragon and Jurassic Park are better movies than anything in the Blade trilogy.

00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:35.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:41.119
<v SPEAKER_01>But as a trilogy, Blade beats them and goes just below Ocean's 11.

00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:41.839
<v SPEAKER_02>Wow.

00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:42.240
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:44.960
<v SPEAKER_02>I'll move Blade above JJ Abrams Star Trek.

00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Again, not in quality of the JJ Abram.

00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:49.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Even the weak J.J.

00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:59.680
<v SPEAKER_02>Agents film is probably well, the good Blade film is Blade 2 is even Blade 3, I think is more enjoyable.

00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:02.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Than Star Trek 2.

00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:03.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, agreed.

00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:03.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:04.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:06.400
<v SPEAKER_02>But it's that camp that's doing it.

00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:06.960
<v SPEAKER_00>All right.

00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.079
<v SPEAKER_00>The animated Cars trilogy.

00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:18.160
<v SPEAKER_01>One good movie, one boring movie, and then Cars 2, which is my favorite of the three.

00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:20.240
<v SPEAKER_01>Three is boring to you?

00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:21.519
<v SPEAKER_01>Three is so boring.

00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:22.079
<v SPEAKER_02>Wow.

00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.559
<v SPEAKER_02>I thought three is really didn't like three.

00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:26.559
<v SPEAKER_02>Weird, because three is strong.

00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:29.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Three's the, I think, objectively strongest one of the trilogy.

00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:30.559
<v SPEAKER_02>Over one?

00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:30.880
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:31.279
<v SPEAKER_02>Maybe.

00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.000
<v SPEAKER_02>One is so here's let's let's talk about this.

00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:34.400
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:39.119
<v SPEAKER_02>One is a fantastic movie for a six-year-old.

00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:39.680
<v SPEAKER_02>Right?

00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:40.240
<v SPEAKER_02>Yes.

00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:45.279
<v SPEAKER_02>Because the six-year-old thinks that they want to just watch a car racing all the time, but really they would get bored of that.

00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:52.480
<v SPEAKER_02>And so going to the small town and having fun hijinks with Nader and learning the heartwarming lesson that having friends is more important than winning races.

00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:54.480
<v SPEAKER_02>It's a great message for a six-year-old.

00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:54.960
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:59.759
<v SPEAKER_02>The ending of cars is legit spectacular for anyone.

00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:07.680
<v SPEAKER_02>Watching Lightning the Queen slow down and go save, you know, and push, like great.

00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:10.400
<v SPEAKER_02>But most of the movie is boring for an adult.

00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:11.839
<v SPEAKER_02>Just straight up boring.

00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.640
<v SPEAKER_02>The action scenes are not that interesting for an adult.

00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:19.039
<v SPEAKER_02>And watching him go cow tipping is not interesting for an adult.

00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:24.319
<v SPEAKER_02>So Cars is this movie that as an adult I can appreciate for my kids.

00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:24.880
<v SPEAKER_02>Right.

00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:28.880
<v SPEAKER_02>But it's not like the previous, every other movie that Pixar had made.

00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:30.880
<v SPEAKER_02>It's the first one that was only for kids for me.

00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:33.039
<v SPEAKER_02>But it is like a 10 out of 10 for kids.

00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:35.519
<v SPEAKER_02>It's just like a six out of 10 for me.

00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:36.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Okay.

00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:36.720
<v SPEAKER_00>Okay.

00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:37.519
<v SPEAKER_00>I think that's fair.

00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:38.480
<v SPEAKER_00>That's a fair, yeah.

00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:41.359
<v SPEAKER_02>Two is better for adults, but way worse for kids.

00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:45.839
<v SPEAKER_02>And the reason I turned against two, as we've talked about, is it made my kids cry.

00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:46.079
<v SPEAKER_02>Right.

00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:54.480
<v SPEAKER_02>So if you're going to make one as the this is the Pixar series for your six-year-old, making one that I can't take my six-year-old to is a terrible idea.

00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:55.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:57.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Three is objectively, I think, the strongest movie.

00:23:58.319 --> 00:23:59.680
<v SPEAKER_01>But is three good for kids?

00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:00.480
<v SPEAKER_01>But it's not.

00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:09.279
<v SPEAKER_01>My kids didn't get into it because the entire emotional arc is an old man at the end of his life passing the torch to a younger race.

00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:10.559
<v SPEAKER_02>But they gave that up in two.

00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.279
<v SPEAKER_02>And so now it's like we're just making a Pixar film.

00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:18.960
<v SPEAKER_02>And by then my kids are old enough that maybe watching Lightning McQueen have a different sort of arc.

00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:20.799
<v SPEAKER_02>I have to go to a different stage of life.

00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:22.480
<v SPEAKER_02>I think three is a good movie.

00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:29.119
<v SPEAKER_02>It is if you're going to do the hero retires and gets replaced by a younger person, three is an example of how to do it well.

00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:31.920
<v SPEAKER_01>I will accept that argument.

00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:36.880
<v SPEAKER_01>I want to be clear that I think two is my favorite one.

00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:38.160
<v SPEAKER_01>It is not a good movie.

00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:40.079
<v SPEAKER_01>It is a ridiculous and stupid movie.

00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:40.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:52.880
<v SPEAKER_01>But it is the one of the three that showed me cool things I hadn't seen before and that felt like it was respecting my time in that there was never a cow tipping scene.

00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:53.440
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't think it's a good idea.

00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:55.119
<v SPEAKER_01>There was never a saddled car scene.

00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:56.240
<v SPEAKER_00>I don't think Maters funny either.

00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:58.720
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't think Made or I don't think he's funny.

00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:01.359
<v SPEAKER_02>I'll just go watch The Man Who Knew Too Little.

00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:03.920
<v SPEAKER_02>They just made a worse version of a great film.

00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:05.039
<v SPEAKER_02>Well, yeah.

00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:05.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Right?

00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:09.839
<v SPEAKER_02>And so Cars for me has to go in D.

00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:11.279
<v SPEAKER_02>Highest of the D.

00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:11.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:16.160
<v SPEAKER_02>Ooh, the third movie is good, but Sirius does not know what it wants to be.

00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:17.519
<v SPEAKER_00>No, it is not a good trilogy.

00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:23.920
<v SPEAKER_02>Three is a better movie than anything in D, but the trilogy is a D.

00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:25.200
<v SPEAKER_02>It has no idea what it wants to do.

00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:31.519
<v SPEAKER_02>It has one of the worst, like it was the first Pixar film, the first one that people went to and said, Oh, it's all right.

00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:34.240
<v SPEAKER_02>That's the end of an era, right?

00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:34.559
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Pixar was hit, hit, hit, hit, hit cars.

00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.200
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, and a lot of it is just John Lassiter is a car guy.

00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:41.440
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:41.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:46.480
<v SPEAKER_01>And so most of Cars One was look how pretty these cars are.

00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:46.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Yep.

00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:48.480
<v SPEAKER_01>And that does nothing for me.

00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.279
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm going to put it in D as well, but I'm not sure where.

00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:54.160
<v SPEAKER_01>Does it go above or below Ant-Man?

00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:54.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Oh.

00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.720
<v SPEAKER_00>I think it's below personally, but this is your list.

00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:00.000
<v SPEAKER_00>Come on, Dan.

00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:00.640
<v SPEAKER_00>We got it in Miss.

00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:02.079
<v SPEAKER_00>I'm going to put it above Ant Man.

00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:02.880
<v SPEAKER_00>Above Ant-Man.

00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:03.920
<v SPEAKER_00>Above Ant Man.

00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:04.720
<v SPEAKER_00>All right.

00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:06.720
<v SPEAKER_00>Next one, the Dollars Trilogy.

00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.720
<v SPEAKER_00>Will you guys say what the Dollars Trilogy is?

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.839
<v SPEAKER_00>Dollars Trilogy is Spaghetti Westerns.

00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:12.160
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:14.160
<v SPEAKER_01>With Clint Eastwood.

00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:18.559
<v SPEAKER_01>It is a fistful of dollars, a few dollars more, and the good, the bad, and the ugly.

00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:19.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Yep.

00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:21.680
<v SPEAKER_01>They are What?

00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:23.279
<v SPEAKER_01>The third one's the best.

00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:24.480
<v SPEAKER_01>The third one is the best.

00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:25.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh, there you go.

00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:27.279
<v SPEAKER_01>Does that mean you put it in S?

00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:29.599
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't know if I'll put it in S, but the third one's the best.

00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:30.960
<v SPEAKER_01>It's the first time.

00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:32.720
<v SPEAKER_01>The first time you've had one.

00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:33.599
<v SPEAKER_01>But I've had one.

00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:33.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:34.880
<v SPEAKER_01>That the third one's the best.

00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:36.400
<v SPEAKER_01>The third one is definitely the best.

00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:36.880
<v SPEAKER_01>Wow.

00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:37.200
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:37.839
<v SPEAKER_00>Wow.

00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:39.440
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm going to put it in A.

00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:39.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:41.039
<v SPEAKER_01>I'll put it in A also.

00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.240
<v SPEAKER_01>And I think that I'm going to put it at the top of A.

00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:46.240
<v SPEAKER_02>I'm not putting it at the top of A.

00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:51.599
<v SPEAKER_02>I will put it above Pirates, but not above Iron Man.

00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:52.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:53.119
<v SPEAKER_01>So.

00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:53.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:26:53.920 --> 00:27:00.880
<v SPEAKER_01>So to be clear to those who don't have the graphic, I've just placed the Dollars trilogy above the Godfather trilogy.

00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:01.759
<v SPEAKER_00>Yep.

00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.599
<v SPEAKER_00>Which I was going to say, you called it up before I could, which is kind of crazy.

00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:06.640
<v SPEAKER_01>But you know what?

00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:08.319
<v SPEAKER_01>I am a Westerns guy.

00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:08.799
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh-huh.

00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:10.160
<v SPEAKER_01>I love Westerns.

00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.640
<v SPEAKER_01>The Dollars trilogy aren't even my favorite Westerns.

00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:16.160
<v SPEAKER_01>They're good, but they are empirically wonderful movies.

00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:16.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:21.359
<v SPEAKER_01>And Sergio Leone is a fantastic director.

00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:26.319
<v SPEAKER_01>And watching what he does with the Dollars trilogy is just so good.

00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:27.839
<v SPEAKER_01>What's my favorite Western?

00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:28.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.759
<v SPEAKER_01>It is a real close tie.

00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.400
<v SPEAKER_01>I love Searchers with John Wayne.

00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.640
<v SPEAKER_01>I love Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood.

00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:37.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Yep.

00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:42.960
<v SPEAKER_01>And I would also put the modern 310 to Yuma with Russian bill.

00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:45.279
<v SPEAKER_02>I haven't seen that one, so I'll put that on my list.

00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.039
<v SPEAKER_00>Brands, you gotta watch 310 to Yuma, just so we can talk about it on the podcast.

00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:49.920
<v SPEAKER_02>It's amazing.

00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:51.680
<v SPEAKER_02>I haven't seen enough of the classic ones, right?

00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:53.519
<v SPEAKER_02>I've seen The Unforgiven, which I think is great.

00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:54.640
<v SPEAKER_02>I've seen what's it called?

00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:55.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Tombstone?

00:27:55.839 --> 00:28:01.759
<v SPEAKER_01>I've seen some of these ones that came out in the I need to re-watch Tombstone because I I worry I'm undervaluing it.

00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.119
<v SPEAKER_02>Alright, we don't have time there.

00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:03.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Yep.

00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.599
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, knives out Knives Out trilogy.

00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.920
<v SPEAKER_01>As a trilogy, I mean, there is not a cohesive story from one to the other.

00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:10.720
<v SPEAKER_01>No, there is not.

00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:11.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Nope.

00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.200
<v SPEAKER_01>They're just three movies about the same character.

00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:14.720
<v SPEAKER_01>Third one is the best.

00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:16.400
<v SPEAKER_01>Third one is the best.

00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:16.799
<v SPEAKER_01>Yep.

00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.519
<v SPEAKER_01>Wake Up Dead Man is the best.

00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:22.079
<v SPEAKER_01>I wish that it had had more humor in it.

00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:25.039
<v SPEAKER_01>I missed all of the humor that was in the first two.

00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.119
<v SPEAKER_02>But we got all the humor in the second one.

00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.240
<v SPEAKER_02>It just got sucked into the second one because the second one's a comedy.

00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:32.079
<v SPEAKER_02>I think they're each doing something different.

00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, because the first one has that cool structure, right?

00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.200
<v SPEAKER_02>Structurally very interesting.

00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.799
<v SPEAKER_02>It's a cat and mouse smashed in the middle of a traditional mystery.

00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:42.640
<v SPEAKER_02>Second one is a straight up comedy.

00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.119
<v SPEAKER_02>It's not supposed to be taken as seriously.

00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:46.000
<v SPEAKER_02>It's funny.

00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:47.039
<v SPEAKER_02>The characters are funny.

00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:51.039
<v SPEAKER_02>Third one is a just uh, hey, we're gonna make an Agatha Christie style murder mystery.

00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:52.799
<v SPEAKER_02>We're just gonna do the best job we possibly can.

00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:55.440
<v SPEAKER_01>One of the best mystery movies I have ever seen.

00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:56.480
<v SPEAKER_02>S tier.

00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:57.279
<v SPEAKER_02>S tier.

00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:58.240
<v SPEAKER_02>I'll put it.

00:28:58.400 --> 00:28:58.720
<v SPEAKER_02>Oh.

00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:00.160
<v SPEAKER_02>Ooh.

00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:01.440
<v SPEAKER_02>S tier.

00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:02.799
<v SPEAKER_02>Ryan Johnson, you did it.

00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:04.400
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm gonna put it in S as well.

00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:11.839
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't think that Glass Onion deserves to be an S tier, but I do think the other two are good enough to carry Glass Onion.

00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.119
<v SPEAKER_02>All three, all of the ones in S tier have a weaker movie.

00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:15.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Right?

00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:17.279
<v SPEAKER_02>Except Lord of the Rings.

00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.839
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't think Lord of the Rings does, and I don't think Indiana Jones.

00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:22.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, so we've got three S books.

00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.079
<v SPEAKER_01>I've got the Bourne movies up there.

00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:25.680
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't think they've got a weaker movie.

00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:26.960
<v SPEAKER_02>So, but all right.

00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:28.480
<v SPEAKER_02>Knives Out goes in there.

00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:30.880
<v SPEAKER_02>I'm gonna put it above Toy Story.

00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:32.160
<v SPEAKER_02>I'm gonna put it right below Godfather.

00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:32.799
<v SPEAKER_01>Same thing.

00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.880
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm gonna put it above Toy Story and below Bourne.

00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:35.359
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:35.920
<v SPEAKER_02>Yep.

00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:36.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Already.

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:38.079
<v SPEAKER_01>No, I'm gonna put it above Bourne.

00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:38.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Sorry.

00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:38.960
<v SPEAKER_02>All right.

00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:44.480
<v SPEAKER_02>Can we celebrate Ryan Johnson having a film in our S tier?

00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:46.160
<v SPEAKER_02>And having a film in S.

00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:58.079
<v SPEAKER_02>And having the only film for me in F that he has managed to simultaneously be with Spielberg and with Godfather.

00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.640
<v SPEAKER_02>Uh oh, uh shoot.

00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.039
<v SPEAKER_02>I was gonna say Scortenzi, but it's Coppola.

00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:10.000
<v SPEAKER_02>With Coppola and Spielberg and Lucas for making trilogies, and it gets to be an F as well.

00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:11.519
<v SPEAKER_02>That's an accomplishment.

00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.960
<v SPEAKER_02>That's actually, I want to say that in a way that's not silly.

00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.640
<v SPEAKER_02>The reason his film, his Star Wars film, was an F because he swing for the fences.

00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:23.519
<v SPEAKER_02>And when you swing for the fences, you're more likely to get an F than you are a C.

00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:23.839
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:30.400
<v SPEAKER_02>And so I have come to very much appreciate the film of his that I hate for him swinging for the fences.

00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:31.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Exactly.

00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:32.160
<v SPEAKER_01>So all right.

00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Now our next one, this is the Mad Max trilogy.

00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:36.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:40.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Which is does not include Fury Road, which is the best one of the three.

00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:41.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Yep.

00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:44.559
<v SPEAKER_02>But all three of the originals are fantastic.

00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.519
<v SPEAKER_02>It does include Road Warrior, which is a completely different film.

00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:47.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:49.200
<v SPEAKER_02>From uh Thundome.

00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:50.160
<v SPEAKER_02>All three.

00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:50.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.920
<v SPEAKER_01>Uh Mad Max is different from Road Warrior, is different from Thunderdome.

00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:55.279
<v SPEAKER_02>Oh, I thought Mad Max.

00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:55.839
<v SPEAKER_02>No, you're right.

00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.359
<v SPEAKER_02>Mad Max is just the name of the first one.

00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:58.319
<v SPEAKER_02>Road Warrior is the sad.

00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.400
<v SPEAKER_02>In my head, I was thinking Mad Max is the Road Warrior, but no.

00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:02.880
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:03.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:04.480
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm going to put these in S.

00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:05.200
<v SPEAKER_01>Are you?

00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.440
<v SPEAKER_01>I love Mad Max so much.

00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:08.319
<v SPEAKER_01>I can't.

00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:09.839
<v SPEAKER_01>They are goofy.

00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:11.440
<v SPEAKER_01>They are soaking is incredible.

00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:13.200
<v SPEAKER_01>Well, one of them is incredibly comic.

00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.519
<v SPEAKER_01>The first one is incredibly sad.

00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:23.519
<v SPEAKER_01>It is post-apocalyptic, but the apocalypse was basically we ran out of resources, and so society is still there.

00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.000
<v SPEAKER_01>It's just slowly dying.

00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:26.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.799
<v SPEAKER_01>And everyone's depressed all the time.

00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:30.160
<v SPEAKER_01>I love it.

00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:31.359
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, it's very you.

00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:32.960
<v SPEAKER_01>I love all three of these.

00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.160
<v SPEAKER_01>Maybe I'm spiritually including Fury Road in this trilogy.

00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:37.279
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm going B.

00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:37.759
<v SPEAKER_01>B.

00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:38.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:38.799
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:40.559
<v SPEAKER_01>You don't love Thunderdome as much as I do.

00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:42.319
<v SPEAKER_02>Thunderdome is so campy.

00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:51.519
<v SPEAKER_02>So I've got a weird relationship with these early epic science fiction fantasy films like Beyond Thunderdome.

00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.279
<v SPEAKER_02>Where as a kid I watched them and I wanted Lord of the Rings trilogy.

00:31:55.680 --> 00:32:02.799
<v SPEAKER_02>And instead, I got something that didn't have the budget and so had to lean into Lord Humongous instead.

00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:12.799
<v SPEAKER_02>And there's a part of my heart that broke when I watched these movies making fun of themselves because they couldn't be cool.

00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.640
<v SPEAKER_02>They had to be camp.

00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:20.880
<v SPEAKER_02>And there's a part of me that I recognize, but then I watched, and I think maybe if I hadn't watched Fury Road, it would be higher.

00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:28.640
<v SPEAKER_02>But then I watched Fury Road and I say, if he had been able to do that, he would have in all three, particularly the second and third one, he would have done that.

00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:37.759
<v SPEAKER_02>And the camp transcends and becomes just incredible because the special effects can live up to it and they don't have to undercut themselves and act silly.

00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.160
<v SPEAKER_01>See, and I look at all of them as Fury Road.

00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.880
<v SPEAKER_01>He was making the movie he wanted to make with the budget he had at the time.

00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.359
<v SPEAKER_01>And for me, they all work really well.

00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.079
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't even think Thunderdome is making fun of itself.

00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:52.640
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.839
<v SPEAKER_01>I think it is self-indulgent in its silliness.

00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:57.599
<v SPEAKER_01>But so is Fury Road.

00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:03.680
<v SPEAKER_01>But the world building that Miller does is just so cool to me.

00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:08.640
<v SPEAKER_02>It didn't work for me the way I wanted to till Fury Road, and so I have to put it in B.

00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:09.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay, that is fair.

00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.079
<v SPEAKER_02>But it can go above Austin Powers and Ant-Man.

00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:12.720
<v SPEAKER_02>Alrighty.

00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:13.279
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:14.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Is bottom of your list Mad Max for S Mad Max.

00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.200
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, I'm happy with it being bottom of S.

00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:21.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Alright.

00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:22.400
<v SPEAKER_01>X-Men.

00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:24.240
<v SPEAKER_01>X-Men trilogy.

00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:25.920
<v SPEAKER_01>This is the Fox X-Men trilogy.

00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.279
<v SPEAKER_01>This is the original Brian Singer's.

00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:27.839
<v SPEAKER_02>Yep.

00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.440
<v SPEAKER_02>How much of a knock does it take by being made by Brian Singer?

00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.200
<v SPEAKER_02>By knowing it was behind the scenes creepiness.

00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:38.160
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.480
<v SPEAKER_01>It gave us Hugh Jackman Wolverine.

00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:40.960
<v SPEAKER_01>Did.

00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.039
<v SPEAKER_01>As a last minute replacement.

00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.759
<v SPEAKER_01>It gave us Patrick Stewart.

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:46.319
<v SPEAKER_01>Yep.

00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.200
<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, the casting I think across the board is phenomenal.

00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:50.400
<v SPEAKER_01>Three is bad.

00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:51.440
<v SPEAKER_01>Two is actually bad.

00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:52.559
<v SPEAKER_01>Two is incredible.

00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.160
<v SPEAKER_01>And one is still very good.

00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:54.880
<v SPEAKER_01>It is.

00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.119
<v SPEAKER_01>Except for one really bad line.

00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:57.680
<v SPEAKER_01>Oh.

00:33:58.160 --> 00:33:59.759
<v SPEAKER_01>That's such a good line.

00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:01.200
<v SPEAKER_01>I don't know what you're talking about.

00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.759
<v SPEAKER_01>Everyone knows which line we're talking about, so we're not gonna say it.

00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.480
<v SPEAKER_01>I think that is one of the most badass lines.

00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:09.840
<v SPEAKER_01>I love it.

00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:15.360
<v SPEAKER_01>I think that even later, like Days of Future Past is a phenomenal one that's not part of this trilogy.

00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.519
<v SPEAKER_01>I still think X2 is better.

00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:18.480
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, it is.

00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:23.119
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm gonna uh I feel like they should be in B.

00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.840
<v SPEAKER_01>Three is so bad that I have to put it in B.

00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:31.840
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm gonna put it in B and I'm gonna put it just below Toby Maguire Spider-Man.

00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:32.320
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.639
<v SPEAKER_02>I'm gonna put it above Toby Maguire.

00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:34.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:35.679
<v SPEAKER_02>Spider-Man.

00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:36.880
<v SPEAKER_02>That seems very fair.

00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:38.880
<v SPEAKER_02>Three for both of them is pretty bad.

00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:44.079
<v SPEAKER_02>X-Men's three is worse, but I honestly think X-2 is better than Spider-Man 2.

00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:45.599
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, it just comes down to that casting.

00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:52.559
<v SPEAKER_02>Like Spider-Man 2 is an excellent film with a lead that just doesn't work as Spider-Man and a Mary Jane that doesn't work as a Mary Jane.

00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.719
<v SPEAKER_02>In X2, you have every character cast so wonderfully.

00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:01.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, they squandered Marsden as Cyclops.

00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:02.000
<v SPEAKER_01>They did.

00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.079
<v SPEAKER_01>He was well cast, but poorly written.

00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:04.559
<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.760
<v SPEAKER_00>Alright, last but not least, the Die Hard trilogy.

00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:09.199
<v SPEAKER_00>Die Hard.

00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:10.079
<v SPEAKER_00>Man.

00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:12.480
<v SPEAKER_02>All three of these are bangers.

00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:13.599
<v SPEAKER_02>They are bangers.

00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.400
<v SPEAKER_02>One is on a level completely different from the others.

00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Because of its impact on the industry.

00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.679
<v SPEAKER_02>Uh also because I think the script is so tied.

00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:27.199
<v SPEAKER_02>I've often said I think Die Hard is the best written script I've ever read.

00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:29.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Just I don't think there's a better script.

00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:32.400
<v SPEAKER_01>I want to put Die Hard in S.

00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:33.039
<v SPEAKER_01>Should I?

00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:34.639
<v SPEAKER_01>Let me look at S.

00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:36.239
<v SPEAKER_01>Yes.

00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:36.719
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.320
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm gonna put it in S.

00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:41.360
<v SPEAKER_01>I'm gonna put it just above Mad Max.

00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.159
<v SPEAKER_02>I am not, I'm gonna put it at the top of A.

00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:44.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Top of A.

00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:45.920
<v SPEAKER_02>Top of A.

00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.519
<v SPEAKER_02>Die Hard itself is one of the best scripts ever.

00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:54.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Everyone in A has at least an excellent film and no really bad films.

00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:55.199
<v SPEAKER_02>That feels right to me.

00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:59.840
<v SPEAKER_02>S is the one where it's either got three great films or two great films and a half of a great film.

00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.639
<v SPEAKER_02>Die Hard, I think that you get diminishing returns.

00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.159
<v SPEAKER_02>They get weaker and weaker.

00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.320
<v SPEAKER_02>I think three is better than two.

00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.159
<v SPEAKER_02>That's defensible, yeah.

00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.199
<v SPEAKER_02>But two and three are on the same level, but neither of them are great.

00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:12.880
<v SPEAKER_01>So there's no- I think they're both great.

00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:13.360
<v SPEAKER_02>Do you?

00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:13.760
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:15.280
<v SPEAKER_02>Well, that explains why it's an S for you.

00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.199
<v SPEAKER_02>But I think it's fine to have an A.

00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Aliens, if three weren't terrible, not terrible.

00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.280
<v SPEAKER_02>Nothing in S has a terrible movie.

00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.880
<v SPEAKER_02>And I think that's gotta be the right.

00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:32.960
<v SPEAKER_02>And nothing in S has a bad movie, or even a they can have weaker than the others, but it's not significantly weak.

00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:38.159
<v SPEAKER_02>Like I think Godfather Three by itself is better than most of the things on the board.

00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.599
<v SPEAKER_02>So I'm pleased with my S and I'm pleased with my A.

00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:42.159
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.280
<v SPEAKER_02>The B's are the ones that I'm uncertain on, right?

00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.920
<v SPEAKER_02>My B's, I I could totally see Born being higher.

00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:51.280
<v SPEAKER_02>I would have to watch them again.

00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.840
<v SPEAKER_02>If I watch them again, I bet Born would go up to A for me.

00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:55.920
<v SPEAKER_02>I feel bad about Toby Maguire's trilogy.

00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.239
<v SPEAKER_02>Just yeah, I feel good about all this.

00:36:58.400 --> 00:36:59.280
<v SPEAKER_02>This is good for me.

00:36:59.440 --> 00:36:59.679
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:03.920
<v SPEAKER_01>I looking at them, I'm pretty happy with everything.

00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:12.079
<v SPEAKER_01>I think it's very telling that most of the superheroes are in B for me, with the one exception of Captain America trilogy.

00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.199
<v SPEAKER_01>I worry that I've placed Planet of the Apes too high.

00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.920
<v SPEAKER_01>But I don't know if I have because I love those movies.

00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:25.360
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, but I don't love any of them more than I love Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2.

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.719
<v SPEAKER_02>Series that was just a solid trilogy that didn't have a weak thing.

00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.360
<v SPEAKER_02>Because Back of the Future 2 is weak.

00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:37.039
<v SPEAKER_02>Captain America, first one is is a bit weak, like Godfather, the third one's just a little bit weaker.

00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.119
<v SPEAKER_02>Planet Apes, they're just all good.

00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:40.079
<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:41.199
<v SPEAKER_01>They are.

00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:43.039
<v SPEAKER_01>And more people should watch them.

00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.760
<v SPEAKER_01>Okay, I'm going to be happy with my list.

00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:48.559
<v SPEAKER_02>Alright, and that now it's time to lay into us.

00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:49.360
<v SPEAKER_00>Yep.

00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:50.400
<v SPEAKER_00>We will leave it there.

00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:51.840
<v SPEAKER_02>What trilogies we skip?

00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Let us know what we missed also.

00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:55.920
<v SPEAKER_02>There's several notable ones that we haven't seen.

00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:01.199
<v SPEAKER_01>Also, we obviously have focused very heavily on spec fic scripts.

00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.159
<v SPEAKER_01>So, like, you know, there's three meet the Falkers.

00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.920
<v SPEAKER_01>There's three we don't care about those.

00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:06.320
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:06.800
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:08.639
<v SPEAKER_02>How's that been?