How An Indie Doc About ‘A Goofy Movie’ Made It to Disney+ with ‘Not Just a Goof’ Filmmakers + Movie Review: Final Destination Bloodlines  + Trailer Park: The Long Walk

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie podcast. I am your host Movie Mike. Today, I am talking to the filmmakers behind Not Just the Goof, which is the documentary about a goofy movie. Just as Documentary Alone took five years to make. It was all done independently then went on Disney Plus, so we'll get the full story behind that. In the movie review, I'll be talking about the new Final Destination movie Bloodlins and in the Trailer Park, one of the most requested In the Trailer Park, We'll be talking about The Long Walk, which is based on the first ever novel that Stephen King wrote, and no it is not Carrie. Thank you for being here, Thank you for being subscribed. Shout out to the Monday Morning movie crew. He Now, let's talk movies podcast network this Movie Mike movie podcast about it get into my conversation with the filmmakers behind Not Just the Goof. It is a documentary about a goofy movie. We're gonna be talking to directors Chris and Eric and producer Scott how this movie took five five years to make. They did it really without the blessing of Disney, and once they had it done, they were like, Hey, you guys want to put this on Disney Plus. If you're a longtime listener of this podcast, you know how much I love a Goofy movie, And a few weeks ago I did an episode after I watched this documentary how much I enjoyed it. They heard that episode, hit me up, and here we are. So if you two are a big fan of a Goofy movie and you haven't watched this documentary yet on Disney Plus, I highly recommend it. But you don't need to have watched it in order to enjoy this interview, because this is something I just wanted to dive into to showcase some people who took a big risk and created something that they're proud of, and now we're gonna have a lot of cool opportunities because of it. So let's get into my conversation now with the filmmakers behind Not Just a goof Guys, I'm so excited to get to talk to you, not only because I love talking about a Goofy movie, but I also love talking to people who have chased their dreams and just learning about each of your story ries has been inspiring to me. So thank you guys for joining me. First of all, glad to be here. Thanks for having us on on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was amazing, excited to chat.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into talking about a Goofy movie. Where were each of you when you first watched it or your first memory of watching it, what point in your life and who did you watch it with?

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Speaker 3: Well, I probably watched it by myself, if I'm being honest. I definitely saw it at home on VHS. My mom bought it, probably because it was cheaper than The Lion King, you know it was. It was just like on the discount beIN at Target or Walmart or something, it's somewhere, and my mom brought it home and instantly fell in love with it.

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Speaker 2: It just like hit me so.

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Speaker 3: Hard and I just desperately wanted to be as cool as Max and I wanted you know, there's something about the way Goofy just actively pursues time to be with his son, and at that point in my life. You know, if you've seen the documentary, I would have killed for that. I you know, I just I found that father son relationship just so impactful for me.

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Speaker 1: About you, Eric, I.

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Speaker 4: Had an extremely rare experience with the first time I ever watched it, I actually got to go to the premiere of a Goofy movie at Disney World in Orlando. For those who have not seen the documentary or know much about a Goofy movie, it was directed by Kevin Lima, who happens to be my uncle. I grew up in Florida, and one day my mom came to me. It was like, Hey, we're gonna go see a movie that your uncle Kevin's been working on. I didn't know what that meant until I got there.

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Speaker 1: And I was in.

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Speaker 4: It was like a real kind of movie premiere and like the voice of Goofy, Bill Farmer was there. I got to meet him. You can't see it, but I have. There's a post a Goofy movie poster behind me. There's also one in front of me that I got Bill Farmer signed the night that I went to the premiere, and I still have it. I found it during the making of our documentary because my mom is a memory hoarder from when I was a kid and kept it. That night changed my life because that's when I knew that I wanted to do something similar.

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Speaker 1: Was that the first time you kind of realizing what your uncle did, You're like, oh wait, he's actually doing things that people are going to watch and attend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I mean I was still relatively young, and like I knew that he was like in animation and stuff like that, because he would come visit me every once in a while and the kids from the neighborhood would come over and he would like draw you know, Goofy or you know, something from a little The Little Mermaid or something like that. That was always really cool. But I didn't know that he was like or I didn't comprehend or understand that he was in charge of an entire movie until that night, and then it was like, oh, wow, you you're really cool to me. But yeah, I've always looked up to Kevin because he's just so nice and humble like you.

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Speaker 1: Scott was a little different.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I came to a Goofy movie much later. I didn't see it when it was out in theaters, and I didn't have the Disney.

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Speaker 2: Channel growing up.

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Speaker 1: So when twenty twenty came around.

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Speaker 5: And Chris had the idea for the film, Chris and I, you know, I'd worked on projects previously before, and he said, I want to make a movie about my favorite movie. I want to make a documentary and I was like, cool, like what is that? And he said, A Goofy movie. And I said, I think, you know, I've heard of it, but I don't think I ever saw it. So, you know, I watched it on Disney Plus, you know, just by myself and got introduced to this whole world of a Goofy movie. And I think the thing that struck me the most was this was a film way ahead of its time that had this like shared language of how to communicate between adults and kids and was very interpersonal, you know, for an animated film even four you know, Pixar was the thing, and it, yeah, had a huge impact on me as we started getting more and more into the documentary, you know, seeing the fandom and the love for people that have for this movie, it just resonates really, really deeply.

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Speaker 1: So I think that partially is why I'm so inspired about the story about the documentary. You talk about it being a five year process now and the fact that you guys made this on your own, which I think some people don't realize when they see something like this pop up on Disney Plus. You're like, oh, Disney put out this new documentary. Here, let me go check it out and realizing the story behind it. Where how did you guys come together five years ago and decide this is what we're gonna make and this is how we're gonna start it.

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Speaker 3: Well, so Disney Plus had just launched, right, and they I'm obsessed. Actually all three of us are really obsessed with documentaries but also just peaks behind the Disney curtain. So anytime Disney drops a new documentary about the making of something or the you know, the Disney animation just culture and workplace and kind of give you a peek behind that, we find that fascinating. And Disney Plus had just launched and one of their titles was Into the Unknown, the making of Frozen too. Frozen is a huge, huge property. Obviously, I didn't connect with Frozen like most of the world connected with Frozen. I really love Frozen, but it's not the goofy movie for me, Like that's the film, the Disney film that speaks to me the most. And I remember finishing watching Into the Unknown and I turned to Eric and Scott and I said, I wish this existed for a goofy movie. I wish that we had what this has given so many fans just this loving inside look to what goes into making their favorite thing. I had known Kevin for a little bit. Eric obviously knows Kevin very well, and I kind of pitched to Eric. I said, do you think Kevin would be willing to go on camera? Maybe we make a YouTube short, maybe this is a talking head thirty minute, forty minute YouTube thing. And Eric was like, oh, man, do you know what he has. He has an actual demo tape of Eye to Eye. That's all we thought he had. And I said, oh man, that'd be so cool. We'll make a movie about the fandom. We'll show the original demo. This is gonna be great. It's like a thirty minute project. We put together a pitch deck and a demo song, which is actually the end credit song in our film, an original song, and we sent it to Kevin to see if he'd come on board and kind of see the tone of what we wanted to do, and he agreed, and we kind of were off running at that point. And it wasn't until after we sat down and interviewed him that he revealed he had a box of tapes of the making of and that changed the whole project. We knew that this was going to be something a bit bigger than we had anticipated.

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Speaker 1: So once you're you have the idea, you had that first interview and you know, okay, we're about to make something completely different here, and you realize you're about to be banking on yourself, which is a hard thing to do. Like something I was just a part of recently is we shot this special for the ACM Awards that when we first started it, we didn't know anybody was going to pick it up. We were spending our own money, we were just taking our own time to do this in hopes that somebody would pick it up. And then as of recording this right now, we found out that Prime is going to pick it up and it's going to be on Amazon, And it's like, whoa this thing that we just created that we just spent our own money on, spend our own time on. Now it's actually going to go out into the world. But some people don't always see that process of sometimes you just had to kind of bet on yourself, knowing that you're doing something because I believe in this, I know and I want this to be seen in the world. But sometimes people don't see how those steps you have to take early on. So for you guys, what were those struggles once you had this idea but you knew that you weren't going to have any backing from anybody else, that it's going to be you making this movie.

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Speaker 4: One of them was do we go to Disney with our idea and let them know we want to make a documentary about a goofy movie or do we just risk it and try to make the best thing that we can. And after all coming together and talking that through, we were like, well, if we go to Disney, some unknowns that they have, like why would they trust us, you know, and they could just squash it or ignore us, and then it's dead as soon as we had the idea. Whereas if we just make it and can show this is what the film is, it's easier to like look at something and decide whether it's good or not versus trying to pitch an idea from people that you don't know. Yeah, we took a gamble. But what made it all possible, I think is having all those tapes from Kevin, because it really round it out and gave us so many paths of story about the making of the film that if we didn't have that it definitely wouldn't be what it is, you know, the thing that we're proud of now.

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Speaker 1: So as you guys are going through all those things, all the footage, what was something that surprised you the most? Like, whoa, how does this even exist?

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Speaker 3: The live action reference footage of Tevin Campbell in the booth, but also the live action reference footage of the Dancer's fried eye. That whole sequence blew our minds. We had no idea that existed. And then you're going through this box of tapes and it's just it's a high eight tape, I think, and it just says Tevin Campbell in booth or live action reference, and your brain explodes with the possibilities of what could what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: What is on here?

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Speaker 3: How much of it is on here? And then to finally see it and to realize that no one has seen this before, it's just been sitting in this box for thirty years. That's a real magical moment. And honestly, we've been sitting on that for almost four years, right, So that was mind blowing for sure for me. You know, that's just like movie magic.

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Speaker 1: That part of the documentary really blew my mind because I remember watching that as a kid and being that's a fun scene. And then you realize how elaborate all the dance moves are, and to think they went through that process of getting everybody there together and then basically animating it like frame by frame of how they did it, you realize why that scene was so special and why I had so much flair to it.

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Speaker 3: And you you, you know, you kind of you can see the influences of like Michael Jackson in Print and Prince and Bobby Brown in power Line. So then when you hear that the choreographer of the dance is the guy playing power Line and he choreographed Jennet Jackson's rhythm Nation, you're seeing all this DNA come together. That makes it that much more special for the audience, which is so cool.

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Speaker 1: So since you guys went through all this footage and started including it and Disney wasn't a part of the picture yet once they did become a part of the picture, what were some of the obstacles? Because I believe y'all had a different ending song on this, and you realize they didn't have the rights to it, so you had to cut that from it. Were there other moments like that, like, oh man, we can't even put this in there because they can't clear it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here's a word of advice for any of those that are budget conscious, do not use wish upon a Star in your film because it will cost a lot of money to license it. That is the song that we had in our film, and then we learned now how much it was and it was gone within minutes. It was just cost prohibitive to license that.

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Speaker 5: Surprisingly, there weren't many creative notes that Disney gave us. It was about a year process from when the film was mostly like I said, like ninety or ninety five percent complete. You know, there were still things we added late in the game, but it's yeah, it took about a year to go through that process of going through the reviews, creative reviews, legal reviews, QC reviews to get you know, actually on Disney Plus. And fortunately there weren't many creative notes, but there were lots of licensing song issues and footage issues and little tweaks we had to make to just bring down, you know, the cost to make it essentially releasable. But that was a process, you know, just a little bit of a little bit of trial and error and figuring out what worked creatively as well as what what would work within Disney's timeline.

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Speaker 4: We received zero creative notes from Disney, Like we had creative notes from like other people and everything, but Disney the company, they didn't give us. They gave us zero creative notes.

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Speaker 3: Part of the challenges of the licensing stuff is like in our documentary, we have a scene where we show some bits of demos of like songs that didn't make the movie right well, because they weren't in the movie. Disney doesn't own those. Those were created by someone and they weren't used, so Disney didn't buy them and didn't use them for the movie. So you have Disney asked us, well, who wrote this, who's singing on it?

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Speaker 2: You have to go and track that down. And it's been.

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Speaker 3: Thirty years right since plus since the movie was being worked on when these demos came out. So that's the the technical kind of like really difficult thing to navigate. It's just trying to go back in time and figure out no one has Disney doesn't have like a file cabinet with everything listed out of who's saying on what and when it was done and so that's tricky for sure.

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Speaker 1: You mean the Disney Vault doesn't actually exist?

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Speaker 4: I think I think it does exist, But to access the vault is like like an Indiana Jones thing. There's gonna be like a boulder that comes down and darts shot at you.

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Speaker 1: You you gotta unfreeze Walt Disney's head. It's a whole thing. Since I've been doing this podcast since like six years ago, I've always talked about a goofy movie, and I've noticed like pockets of listeners saying, oh, I love that movie too, And it's been kind of cool to have that connection with people because when I was a kid, like, I don't really remember other people talking about it. And I think one of the first big moments I remember was in twenty twenty two when the Atlanta episode came out, when they did the mockumentary about it. I was like, Oh, there's like this whole other subculture of people who love this movie. You guys were in the process of still making the documentary when that episode came out. Did that affect you guys at all? Were you go like, oh, man, we got to get this out sooner, or like, oh, maybe someone else is going to beat us to the punch. What was that?

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Speaker 3: Like, Well, it's interesting because you're right, we were still shooting our documentary. I think we had a rough cut assemble kind of you know, with missing key players of course that we knew we needed to fill in still, and I get this call from Eric and he says, have you heard about the Atlanta episode? And all of a sudden, next thing I know is I'm on a zoom like this with Kevin and Eric and the three of us are just going over this mockumentary and it's blowing our minds. Kevin is like, at first thinking, am I in this? Like the documentary about the Goofy movie? And then we all watched it and we kind of regathered and we realized what it was, which is its own incredible love letter to a Goofy movie.

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Speaker 2: And I think at first.

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Speaker 3: Like when you read like documentary on Atlanta about a Goofy movie, our initial reaction was probably, oh man, someone beat us to this, And then you watch it and you go, no, this is a piece of the story that we're going to tell. This is just another layer ultimately the fandom of what this movie means to people, and it only made us more motivated to tell our story because it really kind of hit us that, no, A Goofy movie is bigger than you think, like even as big as you thought it was, and how important it is to us, it matters a lot to a lot of people. So we found it to be quite motivating and and it was interesting because when we dropped the trailer and poster for our film, there was a lot of you know, oh, Atlanta did it first, and we kept saying to ourselves, like, there's room for both. I think people are going to you know, we're huge fans of Atlanta and what Don Glover put together, and we just kept saying to ourselves like, well, wait till you see Tevin in the booth, wait till you see hear these stories. Like they're two separate things, and I don't think one discounts the other. It's I think there's room for both both things to exist. And like I said, we're huge fans of that Atlanta episode. It's one of the best episodes of television we've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Ever.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about a note Kevin gave you guys was he's like, why aren't you guys in this? More like why don't you put more of your story inside of the documentary? Did that feel a little bit vulnerable to you because you were trying to make this documentary, just how this movie was made, all the love and labor that went into it, and suddenly there are moments of the documentary that shift on you guys and your connection with it later at the end of the movie. How did that feel putting that out into the world, and how does it feel now with seeing that reception of people taking that away from it.

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Speaker 4: I think it was a lot vulnerable for us for multiple reasons, because Chris and I both have like personal, you know, stories attached with like a goofy movie and our like upbringings and stuff. But also we didn't want it to feel vain like, oh, we we're doc you know, we're filmmakers, We're we're going to be in front of the camera and stuff. It was never like that from the beginning. But having Kevin kind of explain why it made sense to us too, like, Okay, we we are fans of this, and perhaps if we're in it and are able to talk about why, you'll see it more from this is a fan perspective rather than you know, this is like a Disney puff piece kind of a thing.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a bit of to your point, it's it's we didn't want to do it at first. We fought back against it, and Kevin made the suggestion, you know, you're the way in for the viewer, and we sat with that for a while, and when I was writing my letter, I kept thinking about it as like, well, maybe this will hold a mirror up for people to see themselves. Maybe it's you know, my story is very specific about the Goofy movie. But hopefully when you know, Mike watches this documentary, he'll see the TV scene and he'll say, I know what that feeling is, and I know what movie it is that means that to me, and he'll relate to it on some level. And it's very vulnerable, by the way, to air your childhood trauma out on Disney Plus. So that's something I ever thought would happen. And it's animated and I'm seeing like a young dog version of me and the Goofy verse and my parents are there, and so there's a lot of trust not only in Kevin, but in creative collaborators like Eric and Scott. It's I can't objectively watch that scene and like really process it like maybe I would any other scene in the movie, because it's just so personal. So there's a lot of leaning on Scott and Erik and saying, Okay, I can't watch six year old five year old animated dog boy Chris and watch his parents? Does this working objectively?

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Speaker 2: Like do you like?

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Speaker 3: What is this doing for the film as a whole? So yeah, it's and it's also finding a balance how much of the story do I share?

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Speaker 2: How much?

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Speaker 3: How much do we zoom out of it to make it a little bit more broad, and how specific do we want to get It was a lot of trial and error.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad you included that part because even for me already having a personal connection with the movie, it allowed me to have a personal connection with someone else and also like dig up some things that I didn't realize how it affected me, because I think with my dad, like how I saw our relationship is we had a great relationship as when I was a kid. It was more so the growing apart later in life that I was like, oh, that's exactly how it was with Max and Goofy, and that's kind of how I related with it. So I think it's interesting to see it from all these different perspectives and to see everybody kind of come together and feel like, oh, this is a part of all of our childhood in some way. Absolutely, Scott, was there ever a moment as a producer that you thought, I don't know if this thing is good to see the light of day?

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Speaker 5: Oh I cash, I mean, yeah, two weeks before the film came out. Yeah, it's a small miracle this this movie got out. I mean, if you think about classic Disney character IP that is owned by another company, all this behind the scenes footage that Disney would you know, love to have the rights issues, you know, agreements, appearances for people appearing in the film. I can think of a dozen times where we all looked at each other, you know how, that sort of feeling that pit in our stumf of not knowing how we were going to get this out into the world. You know, I think that we all really believed deeply in the mission of the film and the story. You know, early on, we knew that we could tell a really great informational documentary about you know, the history and the creativity of a Goofy movie. But it was that personal connection and personal story and the themes about fatherhood that we really were really driving you know, the film forward when when we had those hard days and so, you know, we always wanted to get it on Disney Plus.

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Speaker 1: That was always the goal, you know.

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Speaker 5: But there were also you know times, long stretches of time where we were thinking about home, the festival route, thinking about putting it on YouTube, case starter. You know, we had several conversations about all those things, all while still trying to get it on Disney Plus. So, like you when I have my producer hat on, you're trying to be the potential you know, potholes in the road ahead and the issues that might arise with any given that Chris and Eric wanted to take the film. Even in the kind of like months and weeks leading up to the film, we were still having conversations about how to get it out there in the world.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys start to feel like a parallel between the making of this documentary and the making of a Goofy movie.

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Speaker 3: We found out, by the way, I don't think we've said this yet, but like the space where they edited a Goofy movie right where in they weren't on the lot.

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Speaker 2: They didn't do that on the backlot.

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Speaker 3: It was being animated in like Paris, Toronto, Australia, but it was being assembled in Burbank on this like North Hollywood Burbank area. And we found out like six months before the movie came out on Disney Plus that where we edited our documentary was a block away from where they made a Goofy movie. And we had no idea that we were doing it almost in the same spot. Down to working with an animation studio in another country, having conversations like through through video on what it should look like and how it should should operate.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there were so many similarities obvious.

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Speaker 4: We're kind of a rag tag team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were all new to our first feature.

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Speaker 5: So many parallels. They're just very mind going to think about it. I think some when we started to see something happening, it felt very historic, It felt very rare to be a part of.

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Speaker 1: Seems like you guys are all so passionate about this, and when it comes to chasing your passions, it's something that you would do even if you were getting paid. You guys don't have to give me a number, but you guys get paid for getting this thing on Disney Plus.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if we can legally say hey, like how much or anything like legit legally we can't, but yes, we we got paid. I don't think any of us are retiring.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here here's why I asked. It's because I want people to support you guys as filmmakers. Is it as simple as just watching it on Disney Plus? Do you buy merch?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: How do you guys need support for this movie? And also for you guys to do more things like this, like how do people support you?

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Speaker 3: I think it's watching the film and sharing the film. That's the number one thing that people can do if it means something to you. If you watch the film and you took something away from it and you want to share that experience or even go on line and write a kind review, that stuff goes along a long, long way.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're definitely going to make more stuff together. We're not done.

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Speaker 3: We're always We'll have irons in the fire and what the next one is we're figuring that out right now. But you know, the film will eventually be available to buy. We're working on and hopeful that there will be a Blu Ray release. Of some kind, but it will definitely be available digitally. We're just now in the process of getting it available to everyone because right now it's just in the US, so we're working on the details of getting it out internationally, but that is going to happen. Yeah, watching the film and sharing it is the number one thing. We did think about making shirts though, Mike, what do you think I I was saying, we need to we need to release the Jeffrey Dogs and burg shirt, Like I think there needs to be a Jeffrey Dogs and Burg t shirt.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I'll buy ten of those right now.

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Speaker 2: I can't think we might do that.

00:27:22
Speaker 1: I don't know who did the animations.

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Speaker 4: It was a company in Columbia called Venturia Animation Studios, and Chris just threw throw a net out on like Facebook or something, asking if you know anybody knew any animation companies. And Chris is in the entertainment industry like for a day job, and got a referral and we got hooked up with them, and I'm glad we did because it was actually their idea to create like create all the the retail everything, but in the goofy style, like the Goofy Verse. If you will, so making everybody dogs. When we saw the first sketches of that, we're like, absolutely, yes, this is totally belongs in our film and really adds something a little bit different. It's definitely unique.

00:28:21
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. The parallel just keep coming. You guys had to get animation. It's like a whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:28:26
Speaker 1: My final question for you guys, you kind of tease that you're working on something else. You'll have something else out soon that you're gonna put out into the world. If you could make a documentary about another unsung movie, what would it be.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's almost a trick question, because I want to tell you I feel like we could. Well, here's the thing. There are conversations about a couple films. The important thing though, to remember is it has to be something we feel deeply about and we feel passionate about. We don't want to do the same kind of thing necessarily, and but but there are movies we love with great, great stories that we've considered. This feels like an exclusive. I feel like I can say, you know, we were talking about a Hook documentary because we love the movie Hook. We actually have shot an interview for that. We were talking also, you know, it's a bit more complicated.

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Speaker 2: It's almost impossible.

00:29:30
Speaker 3: But the Emperor's New Groove has this incredible story that could that could be something potentially, But but again it all has to come together organically and completely.

00:29:43
Speaker 2: You know, we just we love a Goofy movie. We have such passion for it.

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Speaker 3: If we don't have the same passion for another film like that, I think the film would be inauthentic and it would be hard hard to pursue, especially since it took five years. You know, It's like if it was about any we'd probably get you know, we'd be like too beaten down by it and be like, no, we can't, this is impossible.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned needing that passion. Did you ever get sick of a Goofy movie? Did you ever think, like, man, maybe I am just a goof.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think we're gonna take at least a few months off from watching a Goofy movie or or our film.

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Speaker 3: I actually haven't even watched our doc on Disney Plus all the way through yet, because I'm I've seen it so, I mean thousands of times now. So also the song eye to Eye, which is a total like banger. I love Eye to eye. But I can go like a few weeks now without singing or hearing eye to eye, and I'll I'll be OK.

00:30:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, after watching it so many times, how did you know that it was still good? Because you were like, I've been in this for so long, We've been working on it for five years. Is this still good?

00:30:56
Speaker 5: Whenever I watch Chris mentioning the taste of finding Tevin Campbell in a booth, I still I've seen a hundred times in our documentary at least, I still get chills.

00:31:05
Speaker 1: There's just something so pure.

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Speaker 5: I think about seeing Kevin and the creative team pour their whole heart and soul into something deeply meaningful to them. And as a creative going through this process, you really resonate with the tension and the struggle and fashion and enthusiasm for wanting to make something that like people are going to love and then you put it out in the world. And so there's still part yeah the documentary that I've seen a hundred times that I still get chills at. And that's a very motivating factor when you're having those hard days of wanting to get it done.

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Speaker 4: I think it was a lot easier. I mean, we were making this for five years, so we'd seen it a million times before we like really showed it to anyone besides ourselves and like Kevin. But there was a screening we did with Bill Farmer and Chris and I were so nervous for that because we're like, well, if he hates it, this thing is over.

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Speaker 3: And it was at Don Juan's studio, Yeah, which is like almost it just ups the antia nerves, you know, because you're in like the sanctuary of the man who made Lion King and Beating the Beast and the voice of Goofy is there and he's watching your movie.

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Speaker 4: To watch Bill watch our movie and then to see him like smiling or laughing and things like that, and then to talk to him and his wife afterward, and they're like it was so true to like how it was back then. We you know, we really enjoyed it. And to know that they were like willing to champion it. That was a big sigh of relief. I think really boosted our confidence to like try to you know, throw the net out a little bit farther. Because both Don and Bill are legitimate Disney legends. They have like have the title.

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Speaker 1: Is it ever hard to talk to Bill because his normal voice sounds so much like goofy.

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Speaker 3: And he'll he'll dip into the goofy voice, and I think it was to mess with us on purpose. You'll ask him a question in an interview and then he'll just be like gorgeous like and you'll just see Eric and I like smiling like like with our big dumb grind like a dog. Yeah, You're like, wow, that's goofy. And then and he's kind of smiling because I think he knows what he's doing. But no, he he does just kind of sound like that, but he's He and his wife, his whole family are the nicest, most supportive people every step of the way since they got involved. It was what do you need? How can we help? What can we do? And that makes the whole thing. I mean, that was really everyone, everyone in our film, every single person we interview. That was everyone's response. It was really remarkable. They just they all did it for basically nothing, and just because they knew it was important to the fandom and they were helping us, which is crazy, like that doesn't happen in these types of situations.

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Speaker 1: So well, Chris, Eric Scott, this has been great to get to talk to you, guys. I love the fact that you, guys, bad on yourself. You saw your dreams come true. Everybody, go watch it on Disney Plus. If you haven't seen it yet, maybe by some merch soon, maybe a Blu Ray soon. So yeah, well, appreciate the time so much, guys.

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Speaker 4: All right, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Back, thank you all. Let's get into it now. A spoiler free movie review of Final Destination blood Lines, taking us back to the franchise that has traumatized us all. The reason I never got into a tanning bed, aside from the fact that I'm Mexican and have a perfectly brown complexion debatable, but also the reason why anytime on a highway I cannot drive behind any eighteen wheeler hauling things that are only held down by chains. We all remember the infamous scene from Final Destination too, where all the logs come crashing down and killing a whole bunch of people on the highway. It's also the reason that some people have a fear of flying roller coasters or even gymnastics, and this was said to be one of the best movies in the franchise. Taking us back to the very beginning. So what this movie is about. You have a college student who is having these freaky visions. He is picturing these people on top of this restaurant, it's very fancy, at the top of like a huge skyscraper building. And she is plagued by this memory and trying to figure out its source, and then starts asking questions to her family, and then she discovers well a dark, hidden family secret, and in order to break down the cycle of death that is after her entire family, she has to go seeking answers to find the only person who can help her break this curse. So, by no means is this movie breaking away from the formula of a final destination movie. It really ramps up the violence because in that opening scene, it just kind of reminds you how they have no regard for humanity. Death doesn't care who you are, And I think that is what I enjoyed the most about Bloodlines is it doesn't matter if you're old, if you're young, if you're white, if you're black. It doesn't matter. Death is going to take you out because it has no regard for the human life. And I think that is what was so shocking about the opening scene. Where you just see people getting obliterated. Now overall in Bloodlines, I think they ran out of creativity. It is hard. This is the sixth movie in the franchise. I think all the great deaths have been done. So I go to these movies because in its history it has had me change the way I approach things, Like I was mentioning earlier. It has these moments where we start to associate the movies with the reasons we don't do certain things like put our hand down a garbage disposal is because how these movies have traumatized us. But I think they have covered them all because there weren't any of those moments really in this movie. There was one really tense scene where they start foreshadowing all the things that could take you out, and a lot of it is focused on things inside your house, and that just freaks me out because I think, Man, if I just don't leave my house, I'll be good and sheltered and comforted right here. But this even tells you, like, man, there's so many ways you can die in a house, so many ways you could die in a hospital. So it does freak you out in those ways, but by no means does it have another tanning bed scene, does it have another log scene. They even have a lot of references to things they've done in the past. So it's kind of an ode to the franchise as a whole, more so than Okay, here is a breath of fresh air and all these new ideas. But that doesn't mean it's not enjoyable because if you go into this movie knowing exactly what it is, I think you're gonna have a pretty good time. It is the fast and furious of horror, where you're not going into these movies expecting great acting. And that is hard for me because the acting level in this movie is that of a really good college student film, where if my friend in college made this movie, I would think, Man, you're gonna go on to be huge. You're gonna be the best director in Hollywood because that level of acting is there. But for the acting standard I come to expect in a horror movie, it's really not there. But I have to remember that you can't go to these movies expecting things to be really based in reality, expecting people to act in the way that you and I would. You have to expect almost a live action cartoon that is really dark and twisted because the acting is not there, the story is really not there. I hate the trope in horror movies of somebody younger stumbling upon a family secret and then having to drive out somewhere to find answers and talk to somebody who has a vast history of all this knowledge and the true secret behind the story has been hiding all these family secrets. I hate that trope because it's so annoying and so redundant, and so focused on just telling you the story as opposed to showing you overall the story. In Final Destination, Bloodlines just didn't connect for me. I don't think it was really supposed to. But I think if that would have been there, this movie could have had a chance to go good, dumb fun to something great, and I think that would have caught a lot of people by surprise. But I don't think that's really what they were going for, because this movie really falls off in the third act. Well, you even't even care about these characters anymore, and it becomes so focused on just kind of finishing out the story and doing the same things it has done in the past, maybe a little bit better directing and overall performances, it would have been there a lot of times. It was just frustrating and unbelievable. Which I get it. These movies are supposed to be ridiculous, bloody and be a total turn off your brain and just enjoy it for what it is is. But I just saw some wasted potential there and all that aside. Say you're just going into this for brutal kills. The overall effects on them are over the top, but in a way that looks a little bit cheap. If you go back to two thousand when this movie debuted, they had a little bit more style to them. So I just feel that why are we still in this position where our special effects are getting such a downgrade. But overall, the best performance in this movie goes to seventy one year old stunt performer ya Vet Ferguson, who broke the record for the oldest person to be on fire in a movie. So you have this big fiery disaster happening on top of this four hundred foot tower and you see Yavett Ferguson, who came at of retirement to do this scene being lit on fire. I'm talking full body burn in a silver dress that was the best moment of that opening scene. There were those moments that even forced me to look away because anytime somebody has something impaled, I don't care who you are, it's just hard to take in. So I will give this movie points for making me feel squeamish because there were times that I was like, ah, I don't want to see this person go through this, and also give it points because after I left the theater, I was so paranoid. I didn't really think the movie affected me that much. But walking down the hall of the movie theater and in the regal I go to, you have to go up and down a really big escalator, and now I was getting on that thing, like all right, anybody behind me, is there any chance this thing is gonna suck me in? Because that was always the myth growing up that don't play on the escalator because it'll eat you up and you'll get pushed under that thing. And if you watch this movie, you know, oh man, the body can be contorted in really weird ways. And that was the last thing I wanted to happen to me after leaving this movie, even driving home, I was like, okay, no cars come in. The light is Green, I'm going to go. It made me paranoid, so it will affect the way you think for a little bit. It will make you not want to leave the house, but then you'll be in the house thinking, man, there's so many things in here that can take me out. Where is the rank among the franchise I really dipped out of these movies about Final Destination four. I think three was the last really great one. Overall, Three had the best kills. Final Destination two had the most memorable kills, with the log scene a rare case for me where the first one isn't the best one, but four and five were pretty unmemorable, So I think Bloodlines is probably right above those two. I've seen better special effects in movies that cost less than this. I feel like a lot of it was spent in that opening scene, which really takes you by surprise, but never really gets back to that level of excitement. But overall, if you don't take it too seriously, you don't expect really great acting, and you just want to see a bunch of people die in really ridiculous ways. And you've been a fan of the franchise since the year two thousand, I think you're gonna have a good time for me. Final Destination just hasn't been my go to in the horror genre. It was a pleasant surprise to even know that there was one on the docket to come out this year. I had a pretty decent time, and I gave it a bonus half point for making me feel paranoid, because any movie that evokes an emotion in me that changes my real life, I gotta give credit to you. So for Final Destination blood Lines, I give it three point five out of five shards of glass. It's time to head down to movie Mike. Trailer Paul. I love it when you guys send me trailers of movies you think I need to talk about in the trailer Park, and this trailer, by far is the one I've been sent the most out of any trailer ever. It is a movie called The Long Walk, and I have to say this could quite possibly be the most perfect trailer because it does everything a good trailer should do. It evokes emotion in you. It shows you one thing and then immediately gears you towards an entirely different feeling, and ultimately it makes you want to see the movie by giving you just enough, not giving you the entire story, but giving you enough to make you motivated to send it to people like, Oh, you got to check out this trailer because this movie looks awesome. And what this movie is about about a group of teenage boys who compete in an annual contest known as the Long Walk. And I love how the trailer starts out cheery, starts out inspirational, almost talking to all these boys going around saying this is a really special event. But then you find out that they have to maintain a certain speed or they get shot. And immediately this trailer takes a turn and it gets dark, and it gets brutal because you realize that only one of these boys is going to survive to win the ultimate prize, which is essentially anything you want a bunch of money. This movie is based on the work of Stephen King. Of course it is, of course it is. It is from director Francis Lawrence, who also did movies like Hunger Games, Catching Fire, Hunger Games, Mocking j Parts one and two. He also did The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. It is coming out on September twelfth, twenty twenty five. Before I get into more, here is just a little bit of the Long Walk trailer.

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Speaker 6: In the very first Long Walk years ago to inspire everyday people. It takes heavy sack to sign up for this contest. I'm not gonna go through the whole rule book, but it boils down to this.

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Speaker 2: If you fall below the speed of three.

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Speaker 6: Miles per hour, you get your ticket. Walk until there's only one of you left.

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Speaker 1: My first question is are they running out of Stephen King books to turn into movies, because The Long Walk is actually the first novel that he ever wrote. Now, Carrie was the first Stephen King novel to ever be published, but before that, he wrote a Long Walk. Carrie is also a fantastic movie. There are so many great Stephen King books that were turned into movies that are just the best. There have been eighty eight Stephen King stories turned into movies. That is a lot because he's written seventy seven books but has written over two hundred short stories. So in combination between his novels and his short stories, we got eighty eight movies to pick from. Stephen King is worth an estimated five hundred million dollars. I think that should be higher. He has given us so many fantastic stories and this was one I was not that familiar with. So it's all about this big prize that these boys can get. In the book, it is described as they can win anything they want for the rest of their life. The winner has the opportunity to fulfill any desire, any dream that they want. They also get a substantial amount of money, although I think in the book it's not exactly specified how much money they can get. But the walk is designed to be a brutal test of endurance because only one person is expected to survive, so that's the appealing thing, much like it is in The Hunger Games, which we have a connection here with the director of Catching Fire Monk and j Part one in Part two being a part of this movie. There's only one survivor in the Hunger Games, and they win similar things. They win food and supplies for their district themselves, they get a life of luxury. They are put into a very specific community where only winners can live, so they get like a mansion, they get that celebrity status. They also mentor future tributes and coach them on how to win. So we have some parallels here, and the entire time I'm watching this trailer, I'm already trying to pick who is gonna win. And I put myself in this situation. How long could I last? Walking at least three miles per hour? Now, if you are not familiar with my story about ten years ago, that is how I started my health journey. I was pushing three hundred pounds and I decided I needed to make a change of my life. So I just started walking. And up to that point I really got no physical activity whatsoever, So even that was a big deal for me. I made little changes, like parking further away at the grocery store so it would make me walk further into the store. I walk all around the store, I get more steps in. And that was just my goal. To walk ten minutes a day. Fifteen minutes a day added up over time. I started stacking that up. I sound like that guy on TikTok who try to make this claim that he has three days in one day. Oh I love that meme. But anyway, that is what I started doing. And then eventually I started running, which if you just watch my Instagram stories now you think, oh man, this guy's been running his entire life. He's always been good at running. Not the case. Just ten years ago. When I started, I could barely run a mile without stopping. But now I'm at a point where I run about forty to forty five miles a week, which is a lot. I've run two marathons and that is tough, twenty six point two miles. And what I've learned a lot of it is mental. If you run a marathon, those last five miles, you really get to know yourself, especially those last two miles when it's so close you can taste it. It is all mental. You have to push your body in ways that you're telling yourself I can do it. I can get there, even at times when your legs don't want to kick, they don't want to move whatsoever. It is that mental drive that gets you there. I think if I applied that same mentality to this long walk, I think I could do it. I think I could win. A big factor for me is the weather, because that really affects my runs right now as we are kind of transitioning from spring into this weird summer remix. If it is hot out, it is going to weigh me down. But I think an advantage I have is I just don't get tired when it comes to my legs or my feet. I can keep going. If I did this long walk and had comfy shoes, I think I could go the distance. But this gets brutal. I have to imagine some mental games start being played among you and the other people trying to win this prize. You start messing with them a little bit. But I think the part that really comes into play is you can't stop. You can't go to sleep, So that is probably the biggest factor. Is you're getting no rest. Three miles an hour may not sound like a lot, like, oh I could do that once you're not eating, not sleeping. Just that alone is enough to drive you insane. So I can't wait to see how that is going to play out in this story. In the trailer, you see them having the physical things that start happening to their bodies, where they're walking on broken feet. It looks like or maybe one of them walks so much, maybe breaks their ankle. Oh oh, And that part of the trailer was hard for me. Anything with broken bones or anything snapping ough, that just gets me because that just tingles this weird part in my body that I don't like seeing that. This movie technically falls into the horror category, But to me it feels more like a dystopian thriller because I can handle blood and guts people getting killed, but as soon as somebody snaps an arm or more specifically a leg or an ankle, that just gets me. I can't handle that level. That is true horror to me. The cast in this is also interesting. Who you heard at the beginning of the trailer is Mark Hamill. Yes, the one and only Luke Skywalker. He also does a renowned Joker in Batman, the animated series. He plays the person overseeing this deadly journey, and I think somehow works in this role perfectly. I like seeing somebody like him who people just love him because he is associated with one of the greatest movie characters of all time, Luke Skywalker, seeing him in a way that we're not really expecting to and I have to imagine his character in this is gonna be pretty twisted based upon what he's done with the character Joker in the animated series. I think he really has that in him. Also in this cast you have Cooper Hoffman, who you may remember if you watch Licorice Pizza, which was the Paul Thomas Anderson movie with one of the highest Sisters. He is also the son of the late Philip Seymour Hoffman, and you can really see that comparison in this trailer. You also have David Johnson, who I loved in Alien Romulus. It looks like they are probably gonna be the two people who last the longest in this movie because they do appear to be the bigger names in this cast. It also in the trailer focuses on their two characters the most, so I have to imagine one of them is going to win. I feel like this movie is gonna get heavy at times. That first death that they show in this trailer is really jarring. But just with that death, it has me invested in this story already. It's not coming out until September twelfth, but I'm excited for it, and I can tell that you guys are already excited for it because everybody sent me the trailer. I just love it when a movie like this can come out with the trailer and spark a conversation. That is what the movie industry needs to do right now. Make movies like this that get people talking that one allow us as the viewers to put us in that situation, but also create something that makes me want to go see it in theaters because I have to see how this plays out. That creates that immediacy, and that creates movie moments that translate over into pop culture. That is how you do it. And again, I am always backing the horror genre because I do believe they are the most innovative as far as creating movies like this that become a part of just everyday conversation. So I love it again. The Long Walk is coming out on September twelfth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Said that was this week's edition of Movie by Tramer Bar and.

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Speaker 1: That is going to do it for another episode here of the podcast, But before I go, I gotta give my listener shout out of the week. We had an interview last week with Robert Schwartzman, the director of the new documentary for the Zombies. He was also in The Princess Diaries. He has some famous family. His uncle is Francis Ford Coppola, his cousin is Nicholas Cage, and his other cousin is Sophia Coppola, who also put him in her movie The Vergon Suicides. Posted a clip on that. Overall my social media if you miss that, But that is where I have this week's listeners shout out of the week on Instagram. It goes to mal Tag ten eighteen, who said, when did Your Heart Go Missing? Is such a great song by Rooney. I had no idea he was in the Princess Diaries in that band. Because of that interview, I did find myself in a Rooney wormhole. I remember back in the early two thousands going to Hot Topic, going to Hastings and seeing their self titled album because it had the Big Bear on it and just said Rooney and I always thought that was a cool album cover. My favorite song off that album was I'm Shaking, which was I think the big hit off that. The song you're talking about here, Maltag, I believe was on the album that came out in two thousand and seven, calling the World. So if you missed that interview with Robert Schwartzman, just go back one in the feed. He also talks about his brother Jason Schwartzman. Thanks for all the comments, the messages, and again, if you ever have a trailer you think I need to talk about in the trailer park, send it to me on social media, hit me up on email Moviemike D at gmail dot com, And until next week, go out and watch good movies and I will talk to you later