Ep:186 Bigfoot and UFOs in Oklahoma

<v Speaker 1>I see this thing.
<v Speaker 2>The weird thing was as I'm looking at him, like
<v Speaker 2>what is that? And I think, is that that's somebody walking?
<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden it was like it's a
<v Speaker 2>man walking and I'm looking at it.
<v Speaker 1>But he wouldn't like come out of the road, and
<v Speaker 1>I yelled at him.
<v Speaker 2>But it was just weird and there was no interaction
<v Speaker 2>with this person other than they would turn their head
<v Speaker 2>and look at us.
<v Speaker 1>We get to the band, we turn around it.
<v Speaker 2>We get around the bend and they're still walking and
<v Speaker 2>it's looking but when it would turn, it would turn.
<v Speaker 1>It so Torso this is the strange thing.
<v Speaker 2>And the only way I can describe it is and
<v Speaker 2>it's one hundred percent like Predator, one hundred percent like that,
<v Speaker 2>and if you did it, keep your eye on it,
<v Speaker 2>you would lose it. We always saw it because we
<v Speaker 2>know where it was when we were watching it, and
<v Speaker 2>then you can see it.
<v Speaker 1>You can see its limbs and you can see through it.
<v Speaker 2>But then it would flick your back and it would
<v Speaker 2>just be like solid. We followed him for like maybe
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes, so we just kept watching this, kept watching
<v Speaker 2>just the same over and over, a one hundred percent
<v Speaker 2>like to me. The thing that I could have get
<v Speaker 2>out of my head was he when he goes clear,
<v Speaker 2>just watched the movie Predder.
<v Speaker 1>That's one hundred percent what it is.
<v Speaker 3>It looks just like that, and it looked like it
<v Speaker 3>was a glitchy.
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'll start off with my with my grandmother.
<v Speaker 2>It would have been in nineteen sixty five Pittsburgh County area.
<v Speaker 2>It started off the locals were seeing these which he
<v Speaker 2>would coin the term red blinkers, and they were like
<v Speaker 2>red lights that were blinking up and sky and there
<v Speaker 2>was it was going on every night, and as time
<v Speaker 2>went on. Sometime in nineteen sixty six, she literally was
<v Speaker 2>in her kitchen and she saw, well, no, she got
<v Speaker 2>a phone call first.
<v Speaker 1>What it was.
<v Speaker 2>She got a phone call and someone said, hey, up
<v Speaker 2>on the ridge right above your house, something's there, like
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's a plane that crashed or something.
<v Speaker 1>There was something there.
<v Speaker 2>So she gets out of the house, starts running up
<v Speaker 2>towards it, and it's from there that that spot I
<v Speaker 2>would say, it's like maybe two hundred yards it's that
<v Speaker 2>And she runs up the ridge and right there is
<v Speaker 2>this huge craft and it's just sitting about five feet
<v Speaker 2>above the ground. And I've asked her lots of times
<v Speaker 2>about it through the years. He's drawn me the same drawing,
<v Speaker 2>you know. She'd always talk about it. But he described
<v Speaker 2>it as for my grandfather being in the war, and
<v Speaker 2>they were around planes a lot during the war, especially
<v Speaker 2>with he was stationed and stuff. Before they went to Germany.
<v Speaker 2>It was a paratrooper, so it was comparing it to those.
<v Speaker 2>It was bigger than the planes they jumped out of.
<v Speaker 2>It was more like that small bomber.
<v Speaker 1>She said.
<v Speaker 2>It was about from wing tip to wing tip. It
<v Speaker 2>was about that size. And she said it but what
<v Speaker 2>wasn't interesting was it was metal. But she said it
<v Speaker 2>had pop rimits on it, which was always strange to
<v Speaker 2>me that it would be poprimitive, because that was somewhat
<v Speaker 2>the technology that we had at the time.
<v Speaker 1>I would think, you know, to a symbol.
<v Speaker 2>And they had a little like she called it, like
<v Speaker 2>a little observation thing at the top, and they had
<v Speaker 2>windows in it, and it just sat on the top
<v Speaker 2>and she said she didn't see anything.
<v Speaker 1>She said it would vibrate.
<v Speaker 2>Once in a while, and she said she was I
<v Speaker 2>think she said she was yelling at it a couple
<v Speaker 2>of times, and she felt like something was watching her,
<v Speaker 2>but she didn't see anything, and she did all of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, they just vanished, you know, and a lot
<v Speaker 2>of people saw that that wasn't something that she just saw.
<v Speaker 1>And it was recorded in multiple places, and.
<v Speaker 2>My grandmother had a local radio show. I was at
<v Speaker 2>a McAllister and the show sort of turned into a
<v Speaker 2>kind of a call in show eventually with UFOs and
<v Speaker 2>people would call the house. And even up this was
<v Speaker 2>courseway before I was born. This was my dad's eras
<v Speaker 2>but even in the seventies and eighties, and every summer
<v Speaker 2>I spend every single summer with her as a child,
<v Speaker 2>and this even up through high school. I deald with
<v Speaker 2>them in high school as well. But people would always
<v Speaker 2>call and give her reports of things that they had seen,
<v Speaker 2>you know, always.
<v Speaker 1>I mean there was always UFO stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And then as a child, we would get in the
<v Speaker 2>car and we would you know, we would go out
<v Speaker 2>in the country and we would see these red blinkers
<v Speaker 2>and I've seen them in a daytime. I've seen like
<v Speaker 2>cigar shaped ones and whatnot. But with with my grandmother,
<v Speaker 2>there was there was one thing that no one really
<v Speaker 2>knows about, uh, because she didn't want any want to
<v Speaker 2>know this. But I asked her, I said, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I said, you might have ever was to share this,
<v Speaker 2>and she said, once I'm dead, you know, She's I
<v Speaker 2>don't really care, and she kind of laughed about it,
<v Speaker 2>but she didn't want anyone to know this. But she
<v Speaker 2>was in her kitchen, and anyone that's been to our
<v Speaker 2>house knows that there's a We have a car port
<v Speaker 2>and the drive goes through one street through the other,
<v Speaker 2>and in the middle of the kitchen and in the
<v Speaker 2>corner of the kitchen there's a window that's en foiled off.
<v Speaker 2>And sometime in the eighties I was a child, I
<v Speaker 2>remember the guy working on it. But they redid their
<v Speaker 2>kitchen and put her refrigerator there over that window. But
<v Speaker 2>what had happened was she was in she was cooking
<v Speaker 2>at the stove, and he saw to the right, uh,
<v Speaker 2>something was looking at her. And she looked and she
<v Speaker 2>literally saw, uh, you know, I guess what they would.
<v Speaker 1>Call it gray, you know back then.
<v Speaker 2>And she said it was just staring at her. And
<v Speaker 2>then another one, uh, out of nowhere, she said, just
<v Speaker 2>kind of bumped into it. And she said they were
<v Speaker 2>very clumsy, like they didn't almost mechanical, they had the
<v Speaker 2>big eyes, you know, all that, And she said, then uh,
<v Speaker 2>she said, it just like stopped her, you know. And
<v Speaker 2>then this was not too long after. She saw that
<v Speaker 2>craft land on the side of the hill, same year,
<v Speaker 2>and then the thing runs, Uh, I guess that would
<v Speaker 2>be to the east side of the house, to the there's.
<v Speaker 1>There's this's all neighborhoods now.
<v Speaker 2>But back then it was just a few houses and
<v Speaker 2>it used to be a dairy farm. But anyway, uh,
<v Speaker 2>but before those houses were there, it was just there
<v Speaker 2>was cat there was cattle and a.
<v Speaker 1>Few trees and hardwo trees and things.
<v Speaker 2>And she saw the craft take off and go up
<v Speaker 2>and then just pretty much disappear, you know, like in
<v Speaker 2>the blink of an eye. And that's how the other
<v Speaker 2>big craft took off too. It just blink of an eye.
<v Speaker 2>It was gone right in front of her.
<v Speaker 4>Did she happen to say if the craft looked similar
<v Speaker 4>in design, No.
<v Speaker 1>Not at all. This other one was small. It was just.
<v Speaker 2>So I remember, right, I'd have to clarify, as my dad,
<v Speaker 2>I think it was more like, I know, it was small,
<v Speaker 2>but it's more saucer like because when it landed, she
<v Speaker 2>went there later and it had a burnt ring on
<v Speaker 2>the on the ground it was burnt, and she had
<v Speaker 2>a acorns that were in there that were in a
<v Speaker 2>little Pimena cheese cheese. She makes Pemina chees sandwich all
<v Speaker 2>the time. It was a pimento jar, those little jars.
<v Speaker 2>She kept all that material in that jar. And later
<v Speaker 2>she had she was told that it could be radioactive
<v Speaker 2>and through Kirk connections, I mean, I mean really it
<v Speaker 2>was kind of a big deal back then. And she
<v Speaker 2>had sometimes as many as forty fifty sixty people in
<v Speaker 2>the yard, you know, all part that, you know, out
<v Speaker 2>in the grass and everything, just looking at the sky,
<v Speaker 2>and she had people from some universities, and uh, there's
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it was just a there's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of information you can read up on all this, but uh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, back then in the sixties and seventies Oklahoma,
<v Speaker 2>there just was a lot of activity. But anyway, they
<v Speaker 2>someone gave her a Geiger some kind of a little
<v Speaker 2>Geiger counter thing, you know, to read radiation or whatever
<v Speaker 2>and so and I don't remember much about that, like
<v Speaker 2>if it was or if it wasn't, I just I
<v Speaker 2>don't remember.
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid. I wasn't really interested in that
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. Sure back then, my dad and like I.
<v Speaker 2>Said, she I probably myself probably saw least fifty UFOs minimal,
<v Speaker 2>really really good memories of them.
<v Speaker 1>There's probably way more than that.
<v Speaker 2>My grandmother, my dad and uncles and all them saw way,
<v Speaker 2>you know, way more than that.
<v Speaker 1>And my dad actually had one. He was.
<v Speaker 2>I think he said he was like nine seven, eight
<v Speaker 2>or nine something like that.
<v Speaker 1>He was.
<v Speaker 2>He came running into the house full speed and he
<v Speaker 2>said one was chasing him. It was like a kind
<v Speaker 2>of like the UFO orb kind of thing chased him
<v Speaker 2>in the house. And my grandma said, you stay in
<v Speaker 2>the house, you know, and it was they were all
<v Speaker 2>freaked out about it.
<v Speaker 1>And then later another incident.
<v Speaker 2>Sort of in that same area, just where I was
<v Speaker 2>telling you, on the east side of the house, there
<v Speaker 2>was my dad's one of my dad's best friends growing
<v Speaker 2>up in their in their backyard. One was one was
<v Speaker 2>like hovering back there, and him and my uncle went
<v Speaker 2>over there and my grandma my grandma was yelling at him, hey,
<v Speaker 2>don't don't get close to it, and uh, he was like,
<v Speaker 2>you guys, come back, and they got a little bit
<v Speaker 2>closer than she wanted, and there was a red light
<v Speaker 2>that came on and they was shining trying but it
<v Speaker 2>was like it was trying to shine that light on
<v Speaker 2>and uh, and they ran it.
<v Speaker 1>They ran away, you know. So uh.
<v Speaker 2>But there's a lot of a lot of little crazy
<v Speaker 2>stories just of seeing crabs.
<v Speaker 1>And things, but those two were the main ones.
<v Speaker 2>My grandma saw us hers that thing landing because I
<v Speaker 2>was really close actually, like I said, she got she's
<v Speaker 2>like five.
<v Speaker 1>Feet from it, you know, way well with intention.
<v Speaker 2>And then the one the two things that she saw
<v Speaker 2>the window ah, and then uh and then later uh,
<v Speaker 2>I was saying. In the eighties, I lived in It's
<v Speaker 2>a child. We we my dad, we moved got a
<v Speaker 2>house south of Tulsa and we lived in a suburb
<v Speaker 2>there and I remember riding my bike with of three
<v Speaker 2>friends and one of those orbs flew right above us
<v Speaker 2>and we were like, what is that?
<v Speaker 1>You know?
<v Speaker 2>And it was like I couldn't really get a gauge
<v Speaker 2>on the size of it, but I would say it
<v Speaker 2>was probably diana or maybe like fifteen feet maybe twenty
<v Speaker 2>and it was completely round, but inside was in case
<v Speaker 2>like this, I don't know if you want to call
<v Speaker 2>it like lava moving around, slashing around it or something,
<v Speaker 2>and it wouldn't make any noise except for like a
<v Speaker 2>wind noise, like you could like it was going through
<v Speaker 2>the wind, and it probably was going about forty five
<v Speaker 2>miles an hour. I'm guessing it wasn't terribly fast, but
<v Speaker 2>it went to ride above us, and it wasn't very high.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't high at all. We didn't feel the wind
<v Speaker 2>or have a weird feeling or anything like that.
<v Speaker 1>It just went on. We were just like freaked out
<v Speaker 1>about it. Just I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why we didn't like talk about that
<v Speaker 2>all the time, but we didn't.
<v Speaker 1>And this was daytime, daytime, Yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 2>The sun was almost down, not quite it was lit
<v Speaker 2>up though you could see it around if you were
<v Speaker 2>in a if you were in the woods'd say, you
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be able to see much, you know, but you
<v Speaker 2>know out of the down the street, you know, it's fine.
<v Speaker 1>Free life's probably just kicked on. If that.
<v Speaker 2>Uh, my dad though, same time frame, but I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember if it was like how close this
<v Speaker 2>was he he can he came running in the house
<v Speaker 2>like and I've never seen my dad like this just
<v Speaker 2>freaked out running the house and like ran into the
<v Speaker 2>room and it was like and I'm like, what's what's like,
<v Speaker 2>what's going on? And that all that he described when
<v Speaker 2>he was a kid came. He saw coming out of
<v Speaker 2>the coming from the horizon, from the sky, and it
<v Speaker 2>came towards him, just like when he was a kid.
<v Speaker 2>He said, it kind of traumatized him for a second.
<v Speaker 2>I just clarified that story with him earlier today just
<v Speaker 2>to try and remember everything about it. But yeah, he
<v Speaker 2>said it, he said just reminded him when he was
<v Speaker 2>a kid and the fear that that thing put on him.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>I'll fast forward a little bit to nineteen eighty nine. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>this is this is in southeast Oklahoma in the jack
<v Speaker 2>Booking Mountain area. We had we have some property out
<v Speaker 2>there and.
<v Speaker 1>Me and.
<v Speaker 2>A kid that so we just I just moved from
<v Speaker 2>both the areas out there.
<v Speaker 1>I've been out there a whole lot, but I had
<v Speaker 1>just moved.
<v Speaker 2>To this town because my I was school with my
<v Speaker 2>grandparents in high school.
<v Speaker 1>I was really close to him, and.
<v Speaker 2>So I met a kid there that was new just
<v Speaker 2>like me, and he's trying to get it off, you know.
<v Speaker 2>But within a couple of weeks of school. I would
<v Speaker 2>say that puts us in like August one or something.
<v Speaker 2>I'm thineteen eighty nine. I said, Hey, you want to
<v Speaker 2>go out to our place, you know, maybe like hike
<v Speaker 2>and just you know, you know, just maybe we'll see
<v Speaker 2>some wildlife or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, yeah, that sounds cool and all that.
<v Speaker 2>So and I wasn't old enough to drive, of course,
<v Speaker 2>so my dad, you know, said, hey, I'm going to
<v Speaker 2>drive you guys, drop you off wherever you want to go,
<v Speaker 2>and then I'm gonna pick you up. Because we were
<v Speaker 2>building a cabin on the side of this this big hill,
<v Speaker 2>and my uncle was already going to be out there
<v Speaker 2>working on it. So he's like, well, just you know,
<v Speaker 2>do what you want to do, and then before dark,
<v Speaker 2>just show up at that cabin. And he said, just
<v Speaker 2>don't wonder too far because there's a lot of land
<v Speaker 2>out there. It's a big area. You definitely can get lost,
<v Speaker 2>for sure. And we we take off. So my dad
<v Speaker 2>drops off probably I would say, a couple of miles
<v Speaker 2>from that cabin, but there's there's a lot of landmarks
<v Speaker 2>that you can find your way around, like in that
<v Speaker 2>if you stay kind of close within the area that
<v Speaker 2>I was at that point familiar with, and we started walking,
<v Speaker 2>and uh, we we walked all day. We got a
<v Speaker 2>little turned around and it's it's kind of funny because
<v Speaker 2>we had since built another cabin.
<v Speaker 1>It's a log cabin.
<v Speaker 2>It's about a mile around the bend from where this
<v Speaker 2>first one is that I was missing with my uncle
<v Speaker 2>was working on. But we have a couple of log
<v Speaker 2>cabins out there that we built what we hang out
<v Speaker 2>at presently, and but before they were built, we we
<v Speaker 2>got lost and we ended up in that area.
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's kind of important to the story,
<v Speaker 1>and I'll get into that later.
<v Speaker 2>But you were walking around and and all the it's
<v Speaker 2>like and I figured out, you know, well, and the
<v Speaker 2>thing is, I was really close to where I was
<v Speaker 2>familiar with.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, how as we were in the woods,
<v Speaker 1>it's really really thick.
<v Speaker 2>Out there, you know, the windsor a lot of trees,
<v Speaker 2>you know, as you know southeast Oklahoma. And I made
<v Speaker 2>the wrong turn, but I kind of had right the
<v Speaker 2>right bridge, you know, to go up.
<v Speaker 1>It just ended up being like the long way.
<v Speaker 2>But whatever it was getting start not dark, but it
<v Speaker 2>was you know, it was time to head back. So
<v Speaker 2>we walk up to the top of it and I
<v Speaker 2>recognized that road and we had a camp up there.
<v Speaker 2>We called it Alpha Camp because it was like the
<v Speaker 2>first place where everyone camped or where they were deer
<v Speaker 2>hot stuff, before there was cabin being built and before.
<v Speaker 1>It was when we were just sense No.
<v Speaker 2>My buddy's dad, so I had a twenty two. I
<v Speaker 2>was carrying a Ruger twenty two, and he had a
<v Speaker 2>four ten just to have honest, and his dad gave
<v Speaker 2>him like a box of shelves and said, don't shoot
<v Speaker 2>all the shells up if you can shoot some if
<v Speaker 2>you guys want to target practice or whatever. And I
<v Speaker 2>had push, you know, twenty two rounds or small lightweight.
<v Speaker 2>I had maybe like I probably got like eighty rounds
<v Speaker 2>or one hundred whatever comes to that. That little back
<v Speaker 2>in the day, you know, you could buy the AMMO.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like in a little plastic container.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was one hundred. And I had that
<v Speaker 2>in my back pocket. And then that one ten round
<v Speaker 2>clip you know, that goes in it. And we get
<v Speaker 2>to Alpha Camp. You know, I recognize it and there's
<v Speaker 2>a fire pit there that was always there, and there's
<v Speaker 2>always if you dig in there. I know there's like
<v Speaker 2>some soup can, so there's something in there, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And I said, hey, I said, we're like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>we're not fall or maybe like twenty minutes up that
<v Speaker 2>road or skip or take thirty minutes whatever, and then
<v Speaker 2>we'll be.
<v Speaker 1>So we'll be there's a certain landmark.
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people would recoonize whateverady want to
<v Speaker 2>say it, but there's a there's something there that would
<v Speaker 2>you know, really illustrate the area.
<v Speaker 1>But right down from there, on the side of that
<v Speaker 1>is the is the cabin, you know. And I thought, well, let's, uh,
<v Speaker 1>let's shoot these let's set these cans up and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I pulled out of there, and it's like, we'll target
<v Speaker 2>practice for a little bit because because my dad will
<v Speaker 2>be here, certainly gonna get back.
<v Speaker 1>So we did, and I shot up everything I had,
<v Speaker 1>which stood his day. I'll never do again. Never.
<v Speaker 2>It's a it's I mean, big time. I will never
<v Speaker 2>do that again. And thankfully he had. But you know,
<v Speaker 2>four ten, I don't want to get shot by it.
<v Speaker 2>But I wouldn't be afraid at thirty yard if someone
<v Speaker 2>hit me with like, I think I might can survive it.
<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe he'd be the leg or something. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>we always called him a snake gun. Yeah, you know
<v Speaker 1>what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>So it's like but he had that, and he did
<v Speaker 2>have round only because his dad told him, you know,
<v Speaker 2>so that's what even we had.
<v Speaker 1>And the thing is it's a single shot.
<v Speaker 2>It's old school, you know, it's a safegun, but it's like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not really good for any kind of
<v Speaker 2>a serious situation kind of the thing. And so here
<v Speaker 2>we started walking and when you go maybe, oh, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe are maybe like just twenty yards and
<v Speaker 2>I see this thing and it wouldn't And so this
<v Speaker 2>road it's like an old seismograph road, and you know
<v Speaker 2>what those are, right cuts. It's an old cybergraph cut.
<v Speaker 2>And on the right and left side is like where
<v Speaker 2>they bulldozed it.
<v Speaker 1>And the road's basically straight.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, when you're walking in this not you're
<v Speaker 2>gonna see like maybe thirty yards in a slight bend,
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. So you can't see all the way down it,
<v Speaker 2>but it's generally a straight road. And when they bulldoze it,
<v Speaker 2>you know, because there's a lot of rocks out there. There
<v Speaker 2>is rocks everywhere every reef, every six inches there's a rock,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and then so all these rocks are all
<v Speaker 2>piled up. The weird thing was, as I'm looking at
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what is that? And I think is that
<v Speaker 2>that's somebody walking? And all of a sudden it was
<v Speaker 2>like it's a man walking and I'm looking at it,
<v Speaker 2>but he wouldn't like come out of the road. And
<v Speaker 2>I sailed at him because it's like I said, I
<v Speaker 2>mean pretty much you kind of we knew everyone that
<v Speaker 2>was out there, you know, and it's gay. There's a
<v Speaker 2>combination locked and I think there was even two locks
<v Speaker 2>she had to get into to even get.
<v Speaker 1>To that area.
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, so I'm like, hey, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, you know, maybe someone saw shooting, and
<v Speaker 2>it was just like, hey, who's that?
<v Speaker 1>You know. Then they're like hidden back. But it was
<v Speaker 1>just weird.
<v Speaker 2>There was no interaction with this person other than they
<v Speaker 2>would turn their head and look at us.
<v Speaker 1>But we don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who saw him first because when I
<v Speaker 2>was looking at him, staring at him, I was getting
<v Speaker 2>ready say something to my to my buddy here, and
<v Speaker 2>he was already staring at him, you know, So we
<v Speaker 2>don't know, you know, we don't know who saw it first.
<v Speaker 2>But he's like, it's looking.
<v Speaker 1>At it, and I'm like, because I this is the
<v Speaker 1>weird thing about it.
<v Speaker 2>At first, I'm thinking it's my uncle, like initially, but
<v Speaker 2>he looks doesn't look proportional like how my uncle's built.
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't walk like my uncle.
<v Speaker 2>And I want to say, this is probably about forty
<v Speaker 2>yards from us at the most.
<v Speaker 1>I mean at the most it's forty.
<v Speaker 2>And it kind of, you know, just kind of just
<v Speaker 2>disappears as it goes around the bend of the road.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, you know, it's straight, but for them,
<v Speaker 2>you can't see straight down it.
<v Speaker 1>So we get to the band, we turn around it.
<v Speaker 1>We get around the bend.
<v Speaker 2>And they're still walking and it's looking but when it
<v Speaker 2>would turn, it would turn its whole torso like he
<v Speaker 2>would take his right even you could see his right
<v Speaker 2>hands as he would twist and look back at us.
<v Speaker 2>It's like he didn't have a neck.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>And the head reminded me of my mother's hair because
<v Speaker 2>my mother, my mother's Native American and she has you know,
<v Speaker 2>long black hair, and it's like, uh, you know, from
<v Speaker 2>the back, one with long straight hair you know how
<v Speaker 2>it kind of there's no neck, it looks it looks
<v Speaker 2>just like that, and you know, as we're getting closer,
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what is that? But this this is the
<v Speaker 2>strange thing. Two very strange things, well very strange. It's
<v Speaker 2>all strange, but be as you would look at it
<v Speaker 2>and then would just go clear. And the only way
<v Speaker 2>I can describe it is and it's one hundred percent
<v Speaker 2>like Predator on the on the on the show like
<v Speaker 2>it with Schwarzenegger, Uh, one hundred percent like that. And
<v Speaker 2>if you didn't keep your eye on it, you would
<v Speaker 2>lose it, like like we always saw it because we
<v Speaker 2>know where it was when we were watching it. And
<v Speaker 2>then you can see it's you can see its limbs
<v Speaker 2>and you can see through it. But then it would
<v Speaker 2>flick your back and it would just be like solid.
<v Speaker 1>You know. I didn't see hair anything.
<v Speaker 2>It was just not quite close enough to us, but
<v Speaker 2>it was dark, and then we would we would follow
<v Speaker 2>it for like.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't know, maybe.
<v Speaker 2>I'd say maybe at this point we maybe got even
<v Speaker 2>maybe thirty yards thirty five yards to it, and then
<v Speaker 2>it make another turn and so I said, hey, let's
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why we weren't really fearful at
<v Speaker 2>that point.
<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't really there was no fear involved.
<v Speaker 1>It was more like it was just.
<v Speaker 2>It was sort of a mixture of fascination and being curious,
<v Speaker 2>I guess, and probably just being just dumb kids, you know,
<v Speaker 2>not really having any sense, I suppose. But uh, I
<v Speaker 2>go around the corner and I said, hey, let's run
<v Speaker 2>to Let's run to the corner because.
<v Speaker 1>We couldn't keep up with it.
<v Speaker 2>It was you know, it's you could tell looking back
<v Speaker 2>what it was is. It's it's like the stride. His
<v Speaker 2>stride was just way more, way longer than our stride.
<v Speaker 2>And that's why we were constantly at a hustle.
<v Speaker 1>We were at.
<v Speaker 2>We were at a fast paced walk, slight job just
<v Speaker 2>to maintain this thing. Why it's walking. It makes that
<v Speaker 2>little band. And I said, let's run full speed to
<v Speaker 2>the band and we close the gap on them. He'll
<v Speaker 2>see us, you know, And we run. We get to
<v Speaker 2>the gap, same distance, and he's and I mean he's
<v Speaker 2>turning and looking at us. And he never would step out.
<v Speaker 2>He always had the foliage, you know, because the tree
<v Speaker 2>the leaves haven't fallen yet, it's still you know, a
<v Speaker 2>couple of months away from that or months and a half,
<v Speaker 2>so it's very green and uh, you know, real bushy
<v Speaker 2>and thick, and he he just stayed right along that
<v Speaker 2>just kind of scraped up against it. But he never
<v Speaker 2>touched it. I don't remember seeing the limbs. I don't
<v Speaker 2>remember seeing the limbs moving in anything. But yet he
<v Speaker 2>was right up against it somehow. And he would walk
<v Speaker 2>on those rocks and on that edge you know that
<v Speaker 2>was bulldozed. Uh, he would just stay right there, never
<v Speaker 2>would come out. It's sort of like what a deer
<v Speaker 2>would do.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they'll they'll come out, but they kind of have
<v Speaker 2>their backup against uh, you know, foilers and things the
<v Speaker 2>camouflage themselves. And he very very much like an animal.
<v Speaker 2>And we we followed him for like maybe twenty minutes.
<v Speaker 2>So we just kept watching this and kept watching just
<v Speaker 2>the same over and over. But the one percent, like
<v Speaker 2>to me, the thing that I couldn't get out of
<v Speaker 2>my head was he's going when he goes clear, And
<v Speaker 2>I mean he just watched the movie Pretder, that's one
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent what it is. It looks just like that,
<v Speaker 2>like the technology or whatever, and it looked like it
<v Speaker 2>was glitching like uh, kind.
<v Speaker 1>Of like a TV, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not like you'd see like a blue line or
<v Speaker 2>anything crazy like that, but it looked like if I
<v Speaker 2>had the guess looking back. This is of course just
<v Speaker 2>a guess, as any of it could be, but it
<v Speaker 2>was as if he went he thought he was always cloaking,
<v Speaker 2>but he wasn't, and then he was, you know, like
<v Speaker 2>he thought he thought he was hiding from us. But
<v Speaker 2>it would turn on and he would be just exposed
<v Speaker 2>for like, you know, maybe thirty forty seconds, and then
<v Speaker 2>he would shut off and they would go back clear
<v Speaker 2>for a little while.
<v Speaker 1>And as long as you kept your eye on him,
<v Speaker 1>you can see him.
<v Speaker 2>But I can tell you if if we hadn't been
<v Speaker 2>watching him and then we just automatically just started popped
<v Speaker 2>up on the trail and he stayed in that cloaking mode,
<v Speaker 2>you would never see him one hut. You would never
<v Speaker 2>see him because there would be times when he was
<v Speaker 2>walking you you really couldn't even see him, and then
<v Speaker 2>he would just then you'd see an arm move or
<v Speaker 2>you'd see a leg and then you start, you know,
<v Speaker 2>your eye would focus in on it and you could
<v Speaker 2>sort of see a slide outline. Uh, so we're we're
<v Speaker 2>walking down that road and there's a the land really
<v Speaker 2>opens up like there's really big but your trees and
<v Speaker 2>it's not bushy. And before that there is a a
<v Speaker 2>I call it a briar thicket area and it's probably
<v Speaker 2>like I'm gonna be surprised if that's not two acre
<v Speaker 2>or so just briars. This nasty and you don't want
<v Speaker 2>to walk through it. I've never walked through it. I
<v Speaker 2>think I heard somebody try to go after a deer
<v Speaker 2>one time in there and they said they didn't get
<v Speaker 2>hind feet and it was just a nightmare. So you know,
<v Speaker 2>I was, of course, I'm familiar with this area really well,
<v Speaker 2>and so I told my buddy, I said, hey, I said,
<v Speaker 2>at this.
<v Speaker 1>Rate, we're really going to see like him come out.
<v Speaker 2>He's not going to be able to be up against
<v Speaker 2>that brush like that because he's going to be exposed
<v Speaker 2>because there isn't any more of that and he's just
<v Speaker 2>like twenty thirty feet from this briar stuff. And I said,
<v Speaker 2>he's not going to go in that briar area because
<v Speaker 2>he can't walk through that. It would be impossible. So
<v Speaker 2>at this point, for the most part. He's committed to
<v Speaker 2>going where I'm hoping he's going, and then then we're
<v Speaker 2>going to be able to see him. And I want
<v Speaker 2>to say we got as close to him as maybe
<v Speaker 2>thirty feet at maybe one moment.
<v Speaker 1>Here and there.
<v Speaker 2>But or does he turn He turns right into that
<v Speaker 2>briar area exactly like right in the middle of it,
<v Speaker 2>and on top of it he hit a tree limb
<v Speaker 2>that with his head as he went in. I saw that,
<v Speaker 2>and it was like I saw it and I marked it.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mark it for any reason other than where
<v Speaker 2>he went in. But when we got to it, that
<v Speaker 2>that tree lamb was nine feet ever been to nine feet?
<v Speaker 2>And we just sat there and just stared at each other.
<v Speaker 2>We didn't even talk. We're just like, what did we
<v Speaker 2>just see? And when you look down into those briers,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you didn't see where he went.
<v Speaker 1>You didn't see it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you saw like a a cow, you know,
<v Speaker 2>just walk through there or anything, it's gonna leave something,
<v Speaker 2>you know. I could see it there squatting down low baby,
<v Speaker 2>delicately getting through that possibly, you know, but still gonna
<v Speaker 2>see something. But I didn't see any And I'm not
<v Speaker 2>like some massive expert tracker. But but I have you know,
<v Speaker 2>I'm decent. I can kind of see, I can track
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. I didn't see anything, you know, nothing,
<v Speaker 2>so any kind of sign that's this anything had even
<v Speaker 2>gone through there. And so we we walked down the
<v Speaker 2>other side that that's on that side of hill, on
<v Speaker 2>the other side of that hill or they called him ountain,
<v Speaker 2>but it's not it's not that big, but but it
<v Speaker 2>is really long. We went down maybe three hundred yards
<v Speaker 2>and that's where this cabin is, where my uncle's billing
<v Speaker 2>and he, you know, never see anything like that. We
<v Speaker 2>never did. And so it was like, oh, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you saw a bear. I think you saw a bear.
<v Speaker 2>Say it wasn't a bear, like I'm telling you, like,
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a bear, you know, like that pretty much
<v Speaker 2>was the first thing that you know, we all sort
<v Speaker 2>of saw out there. But right before that, maybe maybe
<v Speaker 2>six months ish give or take, a guy named Steve.
<v Speaker 2>He's like extended family. He comes out there a lot,
<v Speaker 2>especially back then. But there's a there's a un right
<v Speaker 2>there or at the base of that cabin, and he
<v Speaker 2>was down, he was down at the water. I guess
<v Speaker 2>he was just you know, hanging out or I don't
<v Speaker 2>know what he was doing it. He said he was
<v Speaker 2>just kind of sitting there and he said this rock
<v Speaker 2>came flying over him. That was like bringing a pound
<v Speaker 2>rock and it landed right in front of him like
<v Speaker 2>ten feet and splashed like mud and water all on him.
<v Speaker 2>And that was the first like really weird thing that
<v Speaker 2>we you know, really had to try to figure out
<v Speaker 2>what that was on which we couldn't come any conclusion.
<v Speaker 1>And then later we I had this thing well there,
<v Speaker 1>I would say.
<v Speaker 2>There was a little bit of time went by, maybe
<v Speaker 2>like a year or something, and my uncle was driving
<v Speaker 2>up the mountain adjacent to it. And now that one's
<v Speaker 2>a bigger one. That one is that that one, as
<v Speaker 2>we as like furnt of the story, is where all
<v Speaker 2>really all the weird stuff is.
<v Speaker 5>It's on that in our new log cabin, well not new,
<v Speaker 5>we built that lug cabin maybe in nineties, like tinety
<v Speaker 5>five twenty six or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>That's sort of on the same mountains. It's at the
<v Speaker 2>foot of it. So from our cabin to there and
<v Speaker 2>that there's like a big area and U like the
<v Speaker 2>forced like a bowl you know, down in there. It
<v Speaker 2>really is It's just it's like a big valley area
<v Speaker 2>and that is where all the crazy stuff happens. The
<v Speaker 2>ridge where we followed this thing was I would say,
<v Speaker 2>like the outer perimeter. But anyone really pretty much outside
<v Speaker 2>of all that doesn't really see any of these things.
<v Speaker 2>And I the reason why I mentioned earlier we were
<v Speaker 2>walking and we kind of popped up when we were
<v Speaker 2>lost and my buddy were walking around before we saw
<v Speaker 2>this thing. Uh we well we were down there in
<v Speaker 2>that area. I feel like maybe that's maybe maybe we
<v Speaker 2>stirred that thing up because that's the area where now
<v Speaker 2>all the things are going to tell you that that happens.
<v Speaker 2>It's all down in that area. Well, that's quite possibly.
<v Speaker 2>You know, he could have been following with the following
<v Speaker 2>I assume he was following his back, who knows, But anyway,
<v Speaker 2>so the next I would say, by so my uncle's
<v Speaker 2>on that next hield and he's going alley fast where
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, my mind's all over the place.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is this is a lot to unpack.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions
<v Speaker 4>about the cloaking. Yeah, please, was there any noise associated
<v Speaker 4>with it?
<v Speaker 2>No? No, And you know, back to that cloaking thing.
<v Speaker 2>I never could get my mind wrapped around that. And
<v Speaker 2>and and you know, if I just had seen it briefly,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I would even em or maybe
<v Speaker 2>just blot that out of my head.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I probably wouldn't because I've seen a lot of weird things,
<v Speaker 2>you know, so growing up the way that I did,
<v Speaker 2>you know, things aren't really gonna shock me, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but but.
<v Speaker 2>I still would be like, that's so abnormal, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and it's not natural, and it maybe maybe it's just
<v Speaker 2>my you know, something in my eye or something.
<v Speaker 1>Well.
<v Speaker 2>For years and years and years, and I told this
<v Speaker 2>story to quite a few people. Uh but for years
<v Speaker 2>and years and years I would I would like google,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like cloaking Bigfoot. There would be nothing, nothing.
<v Speaker 2>There was no one talked about it. I never heard
<v Speaker 2>about it. And I couldn't put the this couldn't make
<v Speaker 2>a connection ever. And one time we were going on
<v Speaker 2>a float trip on the.
<v Speaker 1>Buffalo River up in Arkansas.
<v Speaker 2>We were kayaking up there, and and I was driving
<v Speaker 2>like from Houston up there, like a big hall. We
<v Speaker 2>were taking turns driving and it was like wait, wee
<v Speaker 2>hours and I, you know, you turned Coast to Coast on.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it was like something to listen to, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and I was looking forward to from Coast to Coast,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and definitely give me something to listen to
<v Speaker 2>make time pass. And and you know, I need to
<v Speaker 2>look up the episode because I know roughly when that
<v Speaker 2>trip was. I think I can pin it down to
<v Speaker 2>the day actually, because the photographs that were time stamped.
<v Speaker 1>Well.
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I uh was driving and everyone was passed out,
<v Speaker 2>and the guy was talking about and I think he
<v Speaker 2>was in Louisiana, but he was in like the south
<v Speaker 2>southeast part of the country, and he said this thing
<v Speaker 2>was he's describing a bigfoot. It's in these trees and
<v Speaker 2>it was cloaking and you know, and that was the
<v Speaker 2>first time I heard anything. And then I got all excited.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I was like, That's what I've been
<v Speaker 2>waiting for. And then I'm going to say lived in
<v Speaker 2>Pennsylvania for a while and up there I was working
<v Speaker 2>and I just had the radio going and they were
<v Speaker 2>I think it was when that four one one. Stuff
<v Speaker 2>really kind of started out at the very beginning, like
<v Speaker 2>the very very beginning, and he was on a few
<v Speaker 2>podcasts they said something and it made me want to
<v Speaker 2>go check, and so I googled it again. I mean
<v Speaker 2>like seven, eight, nine, ten times a year I would
<v Speaker 2>google cloaking Bigfoot just to see, you know, there's something's
<v Speaker 2>going to pop up and lo and behold there was
<v Speaker 2>a there was a story, someone you know posted something.
<v Speaker 2>Now since then, there's there's quite a few things that
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a discussion now at least sure, and there's
<v Speaker 2>some images that are out there. But that's really all
<v Speaker 2>I know is there wasn't any thing. All I can
<v Speaker 2>really say was it just flickered and he would go
<v Speaker 2>solid and he would go clear. And when he went clearly,
<v Speaker 2>it it was like to that movie.
<v Speaker 4>So you're like looking at it and it goes clear.
<v Speaker 4>Does it distort the foliage behind it? Does it blur
<v Speaker 4>it or anything? Or is it just christ a little bit?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little bit, A little bit from what I
<v Speaker 2>could tell, you know, it seemed like it it rather like.
<v Speaker 1>What I saw. And I'll hold to this.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Like I said, I know there's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of interpretations on things, and you know, some degree it's
<v Speaker 2>we're still early in our knowledge and all this but
<v Speaker 2>but I'll hold to this.
<v Speaker 1>What I saw was a technology. I felt like what
<v Speaker 1>I saw was a technology.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really feel like it was ghostly or it
<v Speaker 2>was uh, you know, some kind of apparition or something
<v Speaker 2>or a mirage looking or anything. I saw something that
<v Speaker 2>was so I saw, you know, something that was physical
<v Speaker 2>like me, but and had a technology associated with it.
<v Speaker 2>That was a you know, but that that was That's
<v Speaker 2>really all I got on that the only advantage I guess.
<v Speaker 2>I followed it for you know, hundreds of yards, so
<v Speaker 2>I really got a good you know, he got a
<v Speaker 2>good view of it, really good view, but never couldn't
<v Speaker 2>get He wouldn't let us get any closer than I
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get close enough to see hair or like facial features.
<v Speaker 1>I could see.
<v Speaker 2>I could see like a thumb, and I could designate
<v Speaker 2>like a hand when he would twist, but he walked.
<v Speaker 2>He walked as if if he wanted to turn around,
<v Speaker 2>he had to twist.
<v Speaker 1>Is so abdomate.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't able to just turn out, turn his swivel
<v Speaker 2>his neck because he consistently did that. That was one
<v Speaker 2>thing I noticed. And his arms were a little bit
<v Speaker 2>longer than normal. He didn't have him drop down. They
<v Speaker 2>were kind of swaying, but when he would twist, that's
<v Speaker 2>when you would kind of see that that arm was
<v Speaker 2>like the proportions were off, you know, but it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>a massive like he wasn't like as massive as something's
<v Speaker 2>gonna be.
<v Speaker 1>He was.
<v Speaker 2>I would say, I don't know, I wouldn't be a
<v Speaker 2>good judge, await when he come to that size, because
<v Speaker 2>I don't even need to compare it to but I
<v Speaker 2>would guess I'm around nine feet, could be a little bigger,
<v Speaker 2>could be could have been ten because that when he
<v Speaker 2>hit that trail them I don't remember it was his
<v Speaker 2>neck on the top of his head, you know, or
<v Speaker 2>if he duck down underneath it, he could have been
<v Speaker 2>ten feet, but probably not more than that, probably closer
<v Speaker 2>than nine. And I would I would guess about like
<v Speaker 2>maybe this is a wild guess, and maybe like thousand
<v Speaker 2>pounds nine hundred maybe.
<v Speaker 1>Once I saw him.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny when you see something like that,
<v Speaker 2>your mind, your mind tries to associate it with what
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's difficult to say, you know, these
<v Speaker 2>arms aren't right, or this next note right. You know,
<v Speaker 2>you have to think back and how do we follow
<v Speaker 2>him as long as we did. I don't know what
<v Speaker 2>I have enough information to recall anything, but that was
<v Speaker 2>the only good thing about it.
<v Speaker 1>So time goes on.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe like this is all like the
<v Speaker 2>next within the next five years, more or less. My uncle,
<v Speaker 2>the same one, thought it was a bear. He's driving
<v Speaker 2>down that mountain, going up, going up the big mountain,
<v Speaker 2>and he's going up. It's it's an ice storm, and
<v Speaker 2>all along the edge of this road are these really
<v Speaker 2>small pine trees six seven eight inch diameter, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and they're real tall, you know, and the ice storm
<v Speaker 2>was h He was trying to get chis truck park
<v Speaker 2>and get on his forewhether and I loaded, because back
<v Speaker 2>then we didn't go We didn't drive down to our
<v Speaker 2>cabinets because the road was just a little bit too
<v Speaker 2>rough and it was hard to getting it out of them,
<v Speaker 2>and especially if you got an inclement weather. So he
<v Speaker 2>was trying to get to this cabin and get a
<v Speaker 2>fire going, et cetera. So he's hustling up that road
<v Speaker 2>in his truck and he's by himself, and he says
<v Speaker 2>that the uh, the uh, the weight of these trees
<v Speaker 2>holding the ice was starting to like lay down in
<v Speaker 2>front of him on the road.
<v Speaker 1>So he's knocking them over, you know, going through them.
<v Speaker 2>And he said, all of a sudden, right in front
<v Speaker 2>of him was one that ran right in front of him,
<v Speaker 2>and he said, oh, he's he said it was a female.
<v Speaker 2>We assume or he assumes because he saw breast. He
<v Speaker 2>saw it was harry. He said, it looked like it
<v Speaker 2>was about six feet if I remember, maybe a little shorter.
<v Speaker 2>And he saw like a butt. He remembers the butt well,
<v Speaker 2>because he saw it go down. It just dropped down.
<v Speaker 2>Because the mountain just really has like a lot of
<v Speaker 2>shelves to it. He couldn't see it anymore, but he
<v Speaker 2>saw that. And so once he saw that, you know, obviously,
<v Speaker 2>I think that that was the that he knew, you
<v Speaker 2>know that that I didn't see.
<v Speaker 1>A bear, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And then from that point, I'm gonna say, we started
<v Speaker 2>experiencing uh walk throwing pree snaps and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 2>but we didn't know what that was, and we didn't,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we weren't really into this kind of thing.
<v Speaker 2>We you know, we we not that we were experts,
<v Speaker 2>but we had a lot of experience with UFOs, but
<v Speaker 2>not with with this, so we didn't know to separate
<v Speaker 2>these events and to think about them. You know, it
<v Speaker 2>was just like that's weird, like what is that? But
<v Speaker 2>I can remember being out there and thinking like an
<v Speaker 2>old dead tree fell and like it just didn't make
<v Speaker 2>any sense, you know, Yeah, and we and that was
<v Speaker 2>that was often, you know, not like every time you
<v Speaker 2>went out, but you know, one out of three times,
<v Speaker 2>you know, somebody's gonna experience something. And then there'd be uh,
<v Speaker 2>rocks would be thrown like on the roof, you know,
<v Speaker 2>maybe like little rocks, and you know you can't miss
<v Speaker 2>it on a ten roof, you know. And then another
<v Speaker 2>weird thing is while we were building that cabin, uh,
<v Speaker 2>we set up chants and we would just crash out
<v Speaker 2>in tents. But there's a couple of areas that we
<v Speaker 2>kind of liked to yamp, but all with in like
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's always in like ten acres probably
<v Speaker 2>that we kind of we were frequented and in that
<v Speaker 2>one of those areas I remember, and it wasn't just me,
<v Speaker 2>it was multiple people that's been out there. Hear the
<v Speaker 2>strangest metal sound like take like sheet rock and I
<v Speaker 2>mean sheet metal and like kind of bend it and
<v Speaker 2>flop it.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've ever heard anything like that
<v Speaker 2>from anybody, but just honest like like you know, like
<v Speaker 2>wapping around and weird, and it wasn't it wouldn't go forever,
<v Speaker 2>just be for like four or five minutes, and then
<v Speaker 2>later you'll hear it again from any and you just
<v Speaker 2>want to hear it again, and you might not hear
<v Speaker 2>it again for a while, like and I mean, awhile,
<v Speaker 2>like you know, the next time you go out, or
<v Speaker 2>maybe the next five or six times you go out,
<v Speaker 2>And there was a.
<v Speaker 1>Time when we heard that. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>And then and like I said, it's private land and
<v Speaker 2>we know everything that's that it's not like people come
<v Speaker 2>down there.
<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense?
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's impossible almost And and in the middle
<v Speaker 2>of the night too, Like you can't really walk around
<v Speaker 2>down it without a flashlight.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's impossible.
<v Speaker 2>It's you know, unless you just know the road really well,
<v Speaker 2>you're on a really good trail and you're just comfortable
<v Speaker 2>with it.
<v Speaker 1>But for the most part, you can't. You can't just
<v Speaker 1>go walking through those woods.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we don't see lights, we don't see flashes,
<v Speaker 2>we don't hear four whelers. You can hear four wheelers
<v Speaker 2>a mile away if you listen sometimes and none of that.
<v Speaker 1>It's just here this weird sound.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't have anything more on that other than
<v Speaker 2>it was just multiple people heard that, and then we
<v Speaker 2>would see like then eventually we would see a tree
<v Speaker 2>stab and then we would be like or yeah, we
<v Speaker 2>would see like you know, like it's I mean, it's
<v Speaker 2>torn in such a way where like it's just shredded,
<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes like eight nine feet off the ground,
<v Speaker 2>just took.
<v Speaker 1>The top off. There's one spot on that mountain.
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember what timeIn this I'm just doing to
<v Speaker 2>sit there, but I remember seeing like twenty trees and
<v Speaker 2>so we're oristally thinking, oh, it must have been a
<v Speaker 2>windstorm blew through here. But the more you look at
<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't make sense. And it's just that one
<v Speaker 2>little area and all those trees are snapped.
<v Speaker 1>You know, way up there. Really weird. And then one time.
<v Speaker 2>My uncle and his budding, a bunch of them, my
<v Speaker 2>other uncle, they were sitting on our porch before we
<v Speaker 2>had to put a roof on that porch, but they
<v Speaker 2>were all just sitting on chairs, just relaxing in the evening,
<v Speaker 2>and they said something flew over low and it was
<v Speaker 2>big and it just covered the whole sky, took the
<v Speaker 2>stars out and everything, and that I was it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>anymore to it. But they were all pretty well kind
<v Speaker 2>of like kind of freaked out about that.
<v Speaker 1>Hm.
<v Speaker 2>I would say, footprints, there's and I have some photos,
<v Speaker 2>but over there everywhere, photos.
<v Speaker 1>Aren't like a big deal, I guess to get nowadays, but.
<v Speaker 2>I mean multiple footprints, and but as far as the Bigfoot,
<v Speaker 2>the big Foot ones go, but as far as this
<v Speaker 2>other footprint, I saw this a couple of times. And
<v Speaker 2>I'm not the only one to see it. My dad's
<v Speaker 2>see that. Different people have seen it. It's three toed,
<v Speaker 2>and it kind of has the ability to bend. Those
<v Speaker 2>toes weird sometimes, like they're not like stuck out, they
<v Speaker 2>kind of like can kind of bend like a circle.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's weird.
<v Speaker 2>And and I've seen those in like good mud, like
<v Speaker 2>good prints.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>At first, I thought, well, that's a cow. That's not
<v Speaker 2>a cow, and I thought there's something wrong with its foot,
<v Speaker 2>and then that's not it.
<v Speaker 1>You know. Then the more I get to looking at him,
<v Speaker 1>and I was.
<v Speaker 2>It was a consistent pattern of basically a small like
<v Speaker 2>heel thing and then these three toes that went out
<v Speaker 2>and those like if you want to call them fullanges
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, I would say they're like maybe eight nine inches,
<v Speaker 2>you know, a peeced roughly and three or four inches wide.
<v Speaker 2>But they would bend them sometimes, you know, they didn't
<v Speaker 2>just stick straight out.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is. But like I said,
<v Speaker 1>that was seen by that wasn't just seemed by b.
<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you that we would hear allan you know,
<v Speaker 2>a different weird sound to this day. I mean there's
<v Speaker 2>weird there's weird calls and stuff to go on, you know,
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the night, we'll be in all
<v Speaker 2>that stuff.
<v Speaker 1>But at this point in time, we were starting to
<v Speaker 1>figure out that it's, you know, this big foot stuff.
<v Speaker 2>So now everyone's kind of on board and we're like
<v Speaker 2>more aware of it. I'm up at this so that
<v Speaker 2>I would say this point would be like in the
<v Speaker 2>ninety that first thing happened to eighty nine, so this
<v Speaker 2>is probably all way up to Let's say, this wasn't
<v Speaker 2>all like in one weekend, and this is over some time.
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I would say maybe up to about ninety nine.
<v Speaker 1>All this stuff right here, it's.
<v Speaker 2>Like around that about eighty ninety nine and about a
<v Speaker 2>ten year period. But the thing is this, this is
<v Speaker 2>just stuff that I know of, and off the top
<v Speaker 2>of my head, there is a lot of a lot
<v Speaker 2>of stories that other people. There's people that have gone
<v Speaker 2>out there and won't won't ever come back. I know
<v Speaker 2>of two people there's they are you know, in other
<v Speaker 2>people in our group. They all have you know, their
<v Speaker 2>their things they've experienced mixed in with this. Some of
<v Speaker 2>this course is cross over, and some of it would
<v Speaker 2>be you know, we'd all be out there, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>one guy would be off and he would see this.
<v Speaker 1>Or that or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't like every time you went out, but
<v Speaker 2>I would say I would say, I would say one
<v Speaker 2>out of three times, you know, you're gonna see something
<v Speaker 2>or experience something, and then sometimes, you know, sometimes two
<v Speaker 2>out of three.
<v Speaker 1>So there's just.
<v Speaker 4>Pretty regular activity going on in this region, and if
<v Speaker 4>you spend enough time there, you'll hear or see something.
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's yeah, yeah, I'll get to that too.
<v Speaker 2>Because I brought a couple of people out there and
<v Speaker 2>experienced things.
<v Speaker 1>Like I thought. We also.
<v Speaker 2>One time saw five deer go deer laying on the
<v Speaker 2>side of this open area. They were laying side beside,
<v Speaker 2>orientated the same way, eyes cut out, genitals cut out,
<v Speaker 2>and heart cut out, you know, so no blood, no mess,
<v Speaker 2>and clean and they were just lay.
<v Speaker 1>There and uh an, all female.
<v Speaker 2>All female, and orientate exactly the same. Nothing, nothing touched
<v Speaker 2>them to night. I would say within two days they
<v Speaker 2>were kind of being dragged off, and then after that
<v Speaker 2>they were skeletons.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just partly got them.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so something you know, there's the animal mutilation.
<v Speaker 1>Thing, but I never saw any other thing like that.
<v Speaker 2>First the mutilation stuff, but that's the like a needle
<v Speaker 2>in the haystack out there, you know. We just happened
<v Speaker 2>to see it. Yeah, you know, who knows that could
<v Speaker 2>be going on all the time. You know, you're not
<v Speaker 2>gonna you're not gonna know that.
<v Speaker 4>Did you guys experience any what you would perceive is
<v Speaker 4>aggressive activity at the cabin?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say, Okay, so I wasn't at the cabin,
<v Speaker 2>but I was probably like on the same mountain, we
<v Speaker 2>can call it the area. You know, I was up
<v Speaker 2>maybe three hundred four hundred yards. Now that was probably
<v Speaker 2>about a quarter mile up and there's a road. It's
<v Speaker 2>actually the same road where I was taking over. My
<v Speaker 2>uncle was going to stop and park his truck and
<v Speaker 2>get out at the four wheeler and you know, go
<v Speaker 2>down right after he saw that one with the butt,
<v Speaker 2>the female one.
<v Speaker 1>Well, on that side of the hill there a mountain.
<v Speaker 2>On the downside is a bunch of blackberries, like a
<v Speaker 2>bunch And every year I always take a boonie hat
<v Speaker 2>and I fill it up like twice and I give
<v Speaker 2>it to my grandmother, and my grandma would make this
<v Speaker 2>amazing black barry cobbler like every summer. And I won't
<v Speaker 2>mention this other person because this person I haven't talked
<v Speaker 2>to in a while, so I won't mention his name.
<v Speaker 2>But this other person was with me, and he's just
<v Speaker 2>a kid, and I was like, hey, let's go out
<v Speaker 2>and let's go grab some blackberries.
<v Speaker 1>You know, we're just run out and just give.
<v Speaker 2>Me like like forty five minutes. And he had like
<v Speaker 2>some hot wheels stuff, and I was like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>so you can like play like in the just like
<v Speaker 2>a lot of like key gravel and stuff. And there's
<v Speaker 2>a little area there and I said, I said, you
<v Speaker 2>bring your toys.
<v Speaker 1>And I said, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pick
<v Speaker 1>these blackberries.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, I started picking blackberries and all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>this rock that's probably the size of a softball.
<v Speaker 1>Just rolls like three feet from him, three or four feet,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm.
<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm looking at him, and I'm like, you do that,
<v Speaker 2>and it makes sense, you know, I mean I can
<v Speaker 2>hear him, you know, playing with cars, and like he's
<v Speaker 2>in my peripheral.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not like ten feet.
<v Speaker 2>From him, and I'm like you and I'm looking at him,
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, oh, oh, what was that? And then
<v Speaker 2>now I see one in the air coming like and
<v Speaker 2>and this thing is hurling it from the from the
<v Speaker 2>other side, which is probably from there and going up
<v Speaker 2>to up the mountain that's probably like fifty yards throwing
<v Speaker 2>this thing. He's in that wood because there's an open area.
<v Speaker 2>They dug that whole area out to make a damn
<v Speaker 2>for that pond that's below there, And I told you
<v Speaker 2>about earlier, so it's like they dug out inside the mountain.
<v Speaker 2>So you know how like it's all erode it and
<v Speaker 2>really steep. You can kind of picture it. He's above that.
<v Speaker 2>You can't even walk up that. I think that's like
<v Speaker 2>four stories tall. You know, he's above that somewhere. I
<v Speaker 2>can't see him. He throws three times at us, but
<v Speaker 2>by the third time I grab him, I throw him
<v Speaker 2>in the in the in the car, and I had
<v Speaker 2>a three fifty seven. Like again, like I said, I
<v Speaker 2>always have something on me. And I just picked the
<v Speaker 2>tree just in case it was an idiot doing it
<v Speaker 2>and a human. I didn't want to kill anyone, but
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna let throw rocks at us. So I
<v Speaker 2>just pick a big tree. And I'm pretty you know,
<v Speaker 2>I'm a pretty good show with that pistol. And I
<v Speaker 2>just shot like three rounds into that tree and got
<v Speaker 2>in the car and drove off. But it didn't want
<v Speaker 2>me messing with those black berries. I think that's the
<v Speaker 2>only thing I could I could gather. Yeah, that that
<v Speaker 2>and then another guy got I'll tell you a story
<v Speaker 2>about him. But he actually he saw one maybe maybe
<v Speaker 2>ten years ago, like pretty clear in the daytime, but
<v Speaker 2>one through a rock at him in the back, and
<v Speaker 2>it's stung, he said. He said, I think he left
<v Speaker 2>a we upon him. But i'd have to ask him
<v Speaker 2>more about that, but never had like, you know, nothing,
<v Speaker 2>what if they're capable of doing nothing like that, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?
<v Speaker 1>I don't.
<v Speaker 2>I don't personally feel like they're friendly, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>don't want to. They they leave things and I think
<v Speaker 2>they I don't. We don't really lure into that, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. Like just the other day, my
<v Speaker 2>i'd like or something. My sister and my brother in
<v Speaker 2>law and their grandkids were out there and they were
<v Speaker 2>picking flowers pibly, like a mile away, and they went
<v Speaker 2>back to the.
<v Speaker 1>Cabin and then they were.
<v Speaker 2>They they didn't pick too many, They just picked a
<v Speaker 2>few of different kinds, but there was like these certain
<v Speaker 2>white ones that the kids were looking at and they
<v Speaker 2>got back and then there was a white one that
<v Speaker 2>was picked but like the root and everything, and it
<v Speaker 2>was laying them on their Hey, what we had outside
<v Speaker 2>of that we eat at sometimes and it was almost
<v Speaker 2>like saying, I don't know, they didn't pick it. And
<v Speaker 2>there's no flowers where we It's so dense where we're at,
<v Speaker 2>flowers don't really grow in there, and it's rocky, and
<v Speaker 2>the train's just not there's no flowers down there. But
<v Speaker 2>where they went, it's opened open up area, and they
<v Speaker 2>they thought that was weird, you know, like it's trying
<v Speaker 2>to leave things and it will leave stacks of rocks.
<v Speaker 2>And it's funny because the cabin door, you know, on
<v Speaker 2>the threshold right there, when you open it, it knows
<v Speaker 2>to stack it just high enough that you can still
<v Speaker 2>open and close the door, you know what i mean. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>like it's that back to Yeah, it's always three high.
<v Speaker 2>And they're little flat rocks, little like river rocks, but
<v Speaker 2>it's it's enough that it knows that when you open
<v Speaker 2>the door you'll see it. And they'll do that when
<v Speaker 2>you're out there, like you'll be gone and come back
<v Speaker 2>and they'll be there, that kind of thing.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>And they and that with the the other day with
<v Speaker 2>the flower, they said there was some rocks stacked out
<v Speaker 2>there too, like a calling card or something.
<v Speaker 1>One. This is the story that I like to tell
<v Speaker 1>some one of wasably my favorite one.
<v Speaker 2>But because it was it was it was cool because
<v Speaker 2>of something else. But I'll tell you that here right now.
<v Speaker 2>My brother got some night vision, uh like third generation.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like really good, but it was decent. And
<v Speaker 2>me and my brother and uh friend Mike we decide
<v Speaker 2>that we're gonna like walk from the cabin to this
<v Speaker 2>open area where they were picking the flowers. Again, it's
<v Speaker 2>all this stuffs, like the same place here because we
<v Speaker 2>usually do arrowhead hunting out there, there's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>area heads and stuff. So we had this idea that
<v Speaker 2>we would walk to that area and I turn the
<v Speaker 2>flashlights on and just see what we see. You know,
<v Speaker 2>we were hoping to see some coyotes or maybe I
<v Speaker 2>doubt you would see a cat. There's really hard. I've
<v Speaker 2>only seen cats out there twice and they're running and
<v Speaker 2>they're really far away. But you know, something cool, you know,
<v Speaker 2>just we were just animal watching basically and no lights
<v Speaker 2>and I have my hand on my brother's shoulder, Mike
<v Speaker 2>had his hand on my shoulder, and we walked slow
<v Speaker 2>in the dark. I mean like we took our time
<v Speaker 2>and we were walking and we're like maybe probably five
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards from the cabin, and all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>my brother stops and he's like, I think he said wolf.
<v Speaker 2>So they dropped a bunch of wolves off. This is
<v Speaker 2>wild like the story because of the wolves. But anyway,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sidetracking here. It's a cool story. We turn our
<v Speaker 2>lights on and that there was a big black wolf
<v Speaker 2>standing right there and he looks at us and then
<v Speaker 2>he just doze up the mountain. But then when we
<v Speaker 2>shine around, there was like, I don't know, a whole
<v Speaker 2>set of eyes around us, like there were go they
<v Speaker 2>probably thought at night because we were touching each other,
<v Speaker 2>like maybe we were like an elk or something.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>But once we split up into three men or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>they bolted. But it was really cool. It was like,
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, where the weird part comes in. We go
<v Speaker 2>a little further, we go around the band, we make
<v Speaker 2>it to that clearing area and I was like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>let's set here, and I think it's a good spot.
<v Speaker 1>And we sat in the middle of it and you're probably.
<v Speaker 2>Thirty yards in every direction of thirty yards in front
<v Speaker 2>of me, thirty yards in front of.
<v Speaker 1>The guy behind me.
<v Speaker 2>We're sitting like in a triangle and back back to
<v Speaker 2>each other is this dense forest. But we're in this
<v Speaker 2>little grassy clearing area and we're sitting there and all
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, and at this point too in time,
<v Speaker 2>I've started to develop a I've started develop as kind
<v Speaker 2>of a I don't know, I don't want to sound flake.
<v Speaker 2>Keep it like a sense like I can kind of
<v Speaker 2>tell when they're there. I don't want to say like
<v Speaker 2>like it's a telepathic thing or whatever. It's just like
<v Speaker 2>a it's just a vibe I get and and and
<v Speaker 2>I'm batt in a thousand with it, like I know
<v Speaker 2>every time, because there's always something that happens. And I
<v Speaker 2>was starting to get that sense like so you know something,
<v Speaker 2>there's something here, yeah, And I can and then all
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden I can feel the like like the
<v Speaker 2>pressure of it, you know. And then Chris, we're dead quiet.
<v Speaker 2>And then you can just hear like every now and
<v Speaker 2>then this is a dead still night, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>there's no crickets, there's no birds. There's nothing at night though,
<v Speaker 2>No whipper wheels, no nothing. It's just like every now
<v Speaker 2>you just hear like a and it's it's right in
<v Speaker 2>front of me, and it's like, you know, it's probably
<v Speaker 2>not even I don't know, like I said, it was
<v Speaker 2>like maybe maybe thirty feet whatever that is, and it's
<v Speaker 2>like and then all of a sudden, little tiny rocks
<v Speaker 2>were it was throwing little rocks, and first it was
<v Speaker 2>hitting the receiver on our guns.
<v Speaker 1>Like ting king.
<v Speaker 2>And then it hits my brother right in the forehead
<v Speaker 2>and my brother goes, oh, he was because he thought
<v Speaker 2>I was clowning around, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Because I didn't do that. And he's like, are you
<v Speaker 1>doing that? And I was like, no, it's not me.
<v Speaker 1>He's like, what is that?
<v Speaker 2>And it starts hitting me and then it hits Mike
<v Speaker 2>in the back of the head, and you know, we're
<v Speaker 2>getting uneasy. And then the feeling was really uneasy, like
<v Speaker 2>very uneasy, and just didn't it just didn't feel right,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And I knew that's what
<v Speaker 2>it was. One of those things. So we agreed no flashlights,
<v Speaker 2>and we were holding to it. But at this point,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we had we had thirty rounds each in
<v Speaker 2>our guns, and but my buddy Mike had to with
<v Speaker 2>the old moss and the gout bolt action, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and so he he that was his excuse. He turns
<v Speaker 2>his light on and of course you don't see nothing.
<v Speaker 2>I know, you wouldn't see it anyway. And he turned
<v Speaker 2>this light on and into the night vision, you couldn't
<v Speaker 2>see nothing. You couldn't see anything like as far as
<v Speaker 2>it but it was close, and he uh turned that
<v Speaker 2>light on, and then we turned our.
<v Speaker 1>Lights on, you know, and he's just like, let's get
<v Speaker 1>out of here. You know, He's like, you guys got you.
<v Speaker 2>Guys got storty around semi automatic rifles, and I got
<v Speaker 2>this bolt action because I'm not comfortable here, and blah
<v Speaker 2>blah blah. You know, we were laughing at but but
<v Speaker 2>I see this point. So we we left. But one
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent it was throwing rocks ass and but we
<v Speaker 2>set through it.
<v Speaker 1>For a good I don't know. I don't really know
<v Speaker 1>the time.
<v Speaker 2>I have to ask my brother, but I'm gonna say
<v Speaker 2>like we had to sit there and take those rocks
<v Speaker 2>for at least a minute or two minutes. It was
<v Speaker 2>enough because we were actually kind of thinking. I was
<v Speaker 2>kind of questioned. I was like, but there's no trees
<v Speaker 2>above us, like, no trees, there's nothing above us for
<v Speaker 2>quite a ways.
<v Speaker 1>And wherever this was.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've ever if you've ever thrown
<v Speaker 2>a small rock, and I mean like almost like those
<v Speaker 2>little rocks that are like in fish tanks and stuff. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>a little blue that size, very tiny, and it was
<v Speaker 2>it was so it wasn't enough to her, but it
<v Speaker 2>was enough to steak, and it was like, how could
<v Speaker 2>you It would be hard to throw that thing, like
<v Speaker 2>even like fifteen feet and hit something with accuracy.
<v Speaker 1>It would be really hard.
<v Speaker 2>And with a little velocity, you know a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like, you know, a bullet hit us or anything,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, it was enough that it was uncomfortable
<v Speaker 2>and you had to get you know, it's like going
<v Speaker 2>down the road and you know, rocks hit you or something.
<v Speaker 2>You're on a dirt bike or a four wheeler something
<v Speaker 2>like that. But yeah, that that that's kind of my
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite stories there because of the wolf
<v Speaker 2>I guess.
<v Speaker 1>But you said they dropped wolves off out there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>they did.
<v Speaker 2>They dropped so we had a we had a really
<v Speaker 2>bad Uh somebody brought in some Russian boors and then
<v Speaker 2>we had a bad hog problem.
<v Speaker 1>Bad.
<v Speaker 2>They were like, you know, affecting the deer population. You
<v Speaker 2>can see where they run, and they were big and
<v Speaker 2>they're fast, they're they're really big and uh, this had
<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with that. I'm just saying. These these
<v Speaker 2>they started kind of taking the area over. Somebody dropped
<v Speaker 2>them up in.
<v Speaker 1>There and.
<v Speaker 2>The somewhere out west, way out west, like Panhandle, some
<v Speaker 2>ranchers or something. They just they they wanted to relocate
<v Speaker 2>some and they dropped them off out there, and they're
<v Speaker 2>still out there because you can hear them, but they're
<v Speaker 2>not like they were. They they kind of stayed in
<v Speaker 2>our area for for years and then they every now
<v Speaker 2>and then you'll hear them because you know, you could
<v Speaker 2>hear kyotes. They use these sometimes you hear about eleven
<v Speaker 2>sometimes like we're there in like three in the morning,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and if you hear him, go crazy. You
<v Speaker 2>know how kyo coyotes sound. But when a.
<v Speaker 1>Wolf house as a whole other ball game, you know
<v Speaker 1>what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but uh.
<v Speaker 1>But I haven't seen any of it quite a while.
<v Speaker 2>That was like that was that's probably gonna be like
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and three, four or five or something like that,
<v Speaker 2>maybe three early two thousands, you know, and something else
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of weird in the area, and I think
<v Speaker 2>it's all disconnected. So back then, we didn't really associate
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot with anything more than it's just some creature that's
<v Speaker 2>just kind of slipped through the you know, the understanding
<v Speaker 2>of man, you know, And that was sort.
<v Speaker 1>Of our take on it for a long time, and
<v Speaker 1>we didn't really connect and I don't know why. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I never thought about it.
<v Speaker 2>But all the other strange things that we have happening,
<v Speaker 2>we never really made this connection of you know, multiple anomalies,
<v Speaker 2>you know, in one area, and it's it's you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of it was kind of crazy that we
<v Speaker 2>never even thought that was an option for some reason.
<v Speaker 2>But we had some other weird, strange things too. I
<v Speaker 2>was at the cabin once and by myself.
<v Speaker 1>It's funny.
<v Speaker 2>I used to go out there all the time by myself.
<v Speaker 2>I used to get on my fourhel her and and
<v Speaker 2>and unload uh on like eleven at night and drive
<v Speaker 2>till like three in the morning, just drive around the
<v Speaker 2>roads and the trails, you know, for hours. And nobody
<v Speaker 2>does that anymore, you know, And I wouldn't dare do
<v Speaker 2>that now. But I was out there one time, and uh,
<v Speaker 2>this helicopter was just flying right above me, like and
<v Speaker 2>when I say above me, I mean I could feel
<v Speaker 2>the wind off of it.
<v Speaker 1>And it was low, it was like telephone pole heights.
<v Speaker 2>As long as he could get in as close as
<v Speaker 2>he could because there were a few trees the cabin's
<v Speaker 2>sort of cleared around it, but right above me, and
<v Speaker 2>they're looking right at me literally, and.
<v Speaker 1>They weren't friendly, they weren't waving.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like a military helicopter, but it was just
<v Speaker 2>a little small two man chopper and they just stood
<v Speaker 2>there staring at me for but I just stared at
<v Speaker 2>him back, you know, for like maybe a few minutes,
<v Speaker 2>and then they took off.
<v Speaker 1>And then another weird thing is.
<v Speaker 2>Always like when we'd all go out there, especially as
<v Speaker 2>a family or even just whoever, we would the last day,
<v Speaker 2>we would always have breakfast and then we would go
<v Speaker 2>looking for arrowheads and we would always we would always
<v Speaker 2>find stuff. And we have like three or four places, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>three good places that we go, and one of them
<v Speaker 2>relatively close to the cabin and it's like maybe maybe
<v Speaker 2>like one hundred and fifty two hundred yards and it's
<v Speaker 2>around this little bend and we went down there once
<v Speaker 2>and we would always go there and we get this idea, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>if we take a shovel and scrape around here, maybe
<v Speaker 2>we'll find like more tools, like because you know, there's
<v Speaker 2>a lot of sentiment and when the water runs off it,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's pulling them down from somewhere.
<v Speaker 1>We couldn't figure that out yet.
<v Speaker 2>But we went down there one time and someone took
<v Speaker 2>a bulldozer and I don't mean a small one. I
<v Speaker 2>don't mean like a DC ten, but like a big dozer.
<v Speaker 1>It went in there.
<v Speaker 2>And just bulldozed all that up, like shortly after we
<v Speaker 2>started messing around in there with like shovels and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>dug on that whole area up, pulled it all And
<v Speaker 2>that's not our property too, it's not like it's you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. Yeah, and they just turned it
<v Speaker 2>so called. It knocked all the trees over in the
<v Speaker 2>area about this I don't.
<v Speaker 1>Know, maybe.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe fifty feet by fifty feet or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>So they took the time to drive all the way
<v Speaker 2>in there and then just ripped that whole area, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>just turned the whole soil and everything.
<v Speaker 1>And then that was that. Huh, it's odd. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And then not too long ago, my dad and uncle
<v Speaker 2>were in the cabin and they said there was a
<v Speaker 2>helicopter flying right above the cabin at night.
<v Speaker 1>But they but they.
<v Speaker 2>Said it was definitely a military helicopter, you know, it
<v Speaker 2>sounds a lot different. And they were just higerting there
<v Speaker 2>for a while and it left. So we've had some
<v Speaker 2>weird stuff like that. So there's other there's other things
<v Speaker 2>involved in a play here.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 4>I think possibly you had mentioned I think in your
<v Speaker 4>first email that you sent me a few of the
<v Speaker 4>things that you've talked about. But one of the things
<v Speaker 4>that you mentioned was finding glyphs in the area.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, okay, so glyphs, Now, that's that's more recent.
<v Speaker 2>It's not chieologically in order where we're at. That's fine,
<v Speaker 2>that's more like more super recent, like three years, four
<v Speaker 2>years recent, I guess four years. Uh.
<v Speaker 1>I was with a friend. We went there for the
<v Speaker 1>sole purpose of of uh.
<v Speaker 2>She was really into all this stuff, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>I was talking about her area and she and I
<v Speaker 2>had a crazy thing happened in Blue Ridge Fountains, which
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you about that if you want, but
<v Speaker 2>super crazy. And so anyway, we go to uh our
<v Speaker 2>area and there and deer I think it was here
<v Speaker 2>in Thanksgiving if I remember right.
<v Speaker 1>And of course everyone's down there.
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're all having a good time and uh.
<v Speaker 2>But during the day, for the most part, we're like
<v Speaker 2>looking for signs, looking for this and that. And we
<v Speaker 2>take a walk and I see a mylar balloon. Uh, like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, probably came from some town, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>just drifted or whatever. It's what I'm assuming, but it's
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm looking at like garbage. You know, at
<v Speaker 2>anytime we anytime, we don't really have any garbage out there,
<v Speaker 2>but anytime we see something, we always grab it and
<v Speaker 2>take it all it out, you know. So this is
<v Speaker 2>on the back side of the hill of where our
<v Speaker 2>cabin is, and then the front side faces this big
<v Speaker 2>mountain I've been talking about this whole time.
<v Speaker 1>But on the back there's all kinds of stories back
<v Speaker 1>there too.
<v Speaker 2>Most of those have to do with other guys because
<v Speaker 2>I never went back there often, and other guys hunted it.
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of, you know, that was kind of
<v Speaker 1>like their area. You know.
<v Speaker 2>There's like probably fifty acres just that one little dip
<v Speaker 2>right there, and I know a couple of people for
<v Speaker 2>here the hunt back there, and but I'm like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>let's go walk back there.
<v Speaker 1>And I kind of sprained my ankor earlier, and I
<v Speaker 1>thought maybe.
<v Speaker 2>It might be kind of good to like walk a
<v Speaker 2>little bit, because don't want to, you know, I need
<v Speaker 2>to come out here to be all wound up.
<v Speaker 1>And so we start walking up the hill go down,
<v Speaker 1>and there I see this pile of balloon with like
<v Speaker 1>looks like a teepee, you know, stack like.
<v Speaker 2>A wait way the the polls are, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>but then a few things around it, and then that
<v Speaker 2>balloon was kind of kind of merged with him, which
<v Speaker 2>didn't look natural, you know what I mean, Like it
<v Speaker 2>didn't look natural for those sticks to land like that
<v Speaker 2>in that balloon to be with it. I really didn't
<v Speaker 2>think a lot about that other than it was weird,
<v Speaker 2>and I just chopped it down in my mind. I thought, Okay, well,
<v Speaker 2>maybe there's something to it, because why are they stacked
<v Speaker 2>like that? They were they were all grabbed from different
<v Speaker 2>areas and brought there, and so and no one goes
<v Speaker 2>back there. And one of the guys that hunted there
<v Speaker 2>passed away, you know, a few years back, and then
<v Speaker 2>the other guy just wouldn't do that, and then none
<v Speaker 2>of them would leave trash out there, like for sure,
<v Speaker 2>none of us do that. So I take the miler
<v Speaker 2>balloon and I just tied it to the side of
<v Speaker 2>my belt loop or something. This is kind of hanging
<v Speaker 2>on on my side, and I started walking and I
<v Speaker 2>go down this trail to the bottom and we swing
<v Speaker 2>back around and come to the front of the cabin.
<v Speaker 2>And when I'm standing down there, I get that weird
<v Speaker 2>feeling again, and I stop and I'm just like trying
<v Speaker 2>to figure it out. And we're not far from the cabin.
<v Speaker 2>We're like maybe one hundred yards or something. If I
<v Speaker 2>can kind of hear them, like you know, sh set
<v Speaker 2>the door and set her over there and talking. And
<v Speaker 2>my friend was a photographer. She took a lot of shots,
<v Speaker 2>like like five thousand shots or something out there and
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of things. And she's shooting up on this
<v Speaker 2>uh pat like this little cut that went up this
<v Speaker 2>millt this this same mountain.
<v Speaker 1>And I just went up a little ways and stopped.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not looking up there, but up there he
<v Speaker 2>has a photograph and then one photograph. She storm me
<v Speaker 2>the picture and she's like really really in the editing
<v Speaker 2>and really in the details unless you really paid attention
<v Speaker 2>to everything, plays around with the color and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 1>And she saw later something that was there that wasn't there.
<v Speaker 2>I can send you, really, any of these photoguarchs I mentioned,
<v Speaker 2>I could send him to you, but I didn't take
<v Speaker 2>the shot, so I'd have to you know, like I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I can make it public or not.
<v Speaker 2>I'd have to ask her permission, I guess, but I
<v Speaker 2>don't say she would be there. But anyway, you can
<v Speaker 2>see in my mind the head. You see his eyes,
<v Speaker 2>his nose, his ears in his head, but the rest
<v Speaker 2>of his body you can't see. As he's standing there
<v Speaker 2>and he's, like I would say, I don't know him,
<v Speaker 2>fifteen probably twenty yards in front of me.
<v Speaker 1>And he's little, he's a small one, and.
<v Speaker 2>I'm, for a lack of a better way to describe her,
<v Speaker 2>I want to say, almost like an e walk. Kind
<v Speaker 2>of looks like an e walk kiad And I said,
<v Speaker 2>you just see this head. But I had that feeling
<v Speaker 2>right there, like something something's watching us, and it's like uh.
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't connect it with the mile arm balloon
<v Speaker 2>at this point. So later in our in our we
<v Speaker 2>were there for a few days, I believe, and one
<v Speaker 2>night it was late in our cabins in one room,
<v Speaker 2>you know, so everyone's just like at night, cots everywhere,
<v Speaker 2>you know, And I told my dad, I said, hey,
<v Speaker 2>I think well, I told her, I said, you want
<v Speaker 2>to go take a because I used to always drive
<v Speaker 2>at night, but I was a little hesitant, and I said,
<v Speaker 2>you want to take like a ride, like maybe just
<v Speaker 2>you know, we were going to leave soon and there
<v Speaker 2>wasn't only go anywhere in the crazy places.
<v Speaker 1>And she said, I don't know, what do you think?
<v Speaker 2>And I said, so we made an agreement that anyway,
<v Speaker 2>any when I was was uncomfortable with any part of
<v Speaker 2>the trip, we would immediately turn around and hit back,
<v Speaker 2>like as fast as possible.
<v Speaker 1>And so we did.
<v Speaker 2>We took off and I told my assassin, and we're
<v Speaker 2>not gonna be gone along probably like just like maybe
<v Speaker 2>we'll just go up this other mountain and come back down,
<v Speaker 2>you know, twenty minutes or something. It's maybe thirty. So
<v Speaker 2>we drive down this road. It's really cold, and uh
<v Speaker 2>so it's like November. And I saw and I had
<v Speaker 2>gone over this road multiple times that day and even
<v Speaker 2>that before it got dark, because we worked on looking
<v Speaker 2>for things up until dark every day.
<v Speaker 1>There in the middle of the road were rocks. I'll
<v Speaker 1>saw you.
<v Speaker 2>I'll send you a picture of this, and they were
<v Speaker 2>and I took this photo so we could do what
<v Speaker 2>you want with it. But these rocks were in a
<v Speaker 2>shape and they were little round ones and they were
<v Speaker 2>you can see the pattern of them, and it just
<v Speaker 2>made this big and it was a big it's like
<v Speaker 2>six seven feet, you know, and it just had these
<v Speaker 2>arrangement in the road and they weren't there earlier. And
<v Speaker 2>one thing, you know is I'm just really good with
<v Speaker 2>noticing patterns and things like that, and I would have
<v Speaker 2>I would have seen that at least one time out
<v Speaker 2>of that day, and no one else even saw it.
<v Speaker 2>And we saw that. But at the same time, I
<v Speaker 2>got that really and I don't know if that did it,
<v Speaker 2>because you know, your emotions can do all kinds of
<v Speaker 2>things to you.
<v Speaker 1>But I felt really.
<v Speaker 2>Not I like when those other things are around me,
<v Speaker 2>because that's a different kind of feeling. I just felt
<v Speaker 2>like we don't need to be here, and she did too.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I could just tell her eyes. She's looking
<v Speaker 2>at big eyes and I'm and I was like, let's let's.
<v Speaker 1>Get out of here.
<v Speaker 2>And we turned around, and I mean we weren't even
<v Speaker 2>god five minutes probably the whole time, because we we
<v Speaker 2>just drove to that spot, turned around and came right back.
<v Speaker 2>And the next day my buddy like he's like uh,
<v Speaker 2>extended family, you know, he comes out there all the time.
<v Speaker 1>His name is Mike.
<v Speaker 2>He they set up a trail cam in an area
<v Speaker 2>out there, and they picked up this ghostly thing that
<v Speaker 2>shot the camera off and has like antlers on it.
<v Speaker 2>It's really weird. You can kind of make it up,
<v Speaker 2>but you can't. And he had it on the trail cam.
<v Speaker 2>So he shows us the image on his laptop. Comes
<v Speaker 2>over and I said, and we ate breakfast or whatnot.
<v Speaker 2>And I said, hey, let's show me where that was, Like,
<v Speaker 2>I want to see that spot. He goes, yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>heard you guys saw something. I said, yeah, something weird
<v Speaker 2>on the ground. I said, Now, now my mind is
<v Speaker 2>thinking about those sticks and then the rash.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 2>I had never thought about glyphs or I didn't even
<v Speaker 2>know that was a thing at that point. I honestly
<v Speaker 2>don't really I don't like read any thoughts that I'm
<v Speaker 2>against it. I probably should. I don't really read any books,
<v Speaker 2>or watch movies or anything really pertaining to these subjects,
<v Speaker 2>so you know, I'm not really up on what's out there.
<v Speaker 2>For the most part. The only thing I really was
<v Speaker 2>obsessing over was that cloaking thing. But uh, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I kind of got information on that eventually, but so
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know anything about glyphs, it was a thing
<v Speaker 2>or what or anything.
<v Speaker 1>I just now.
<v Speaker 2>But now I'm thinking there's a pattern of things on
<v Speaker 2>the ground, and maybe this is a sign or language
<v Speaker 2>or you know, maybe he's telling the others that you
<v Speaker 2>know who's at that cabin or I don't.
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, when we he's like, he's like, well, show
<v Speaker 2>me your thing first, and uh and I'll show you
<v Speaker 2>where ours were might where that thing is that on
<v Speaker 2>the game that show cam And I was like, okay, So, uh,
<v Speaker 2>me and my friend hop on the four wheeler and
<v Speaker 2>he gets behind us and I said, well, follow us.
<v Speaker 2>And we get about halfway there and he goes he's
<v Speaker 2>kind of pulling dancing because you're going right where I'm going.
<v Speaker 2>I was like really, and uh. We get to the
<v Speaker 2>thing and then show him the rocks and he's just
<v Speaker 2>you know, looking at him, and we're talking about that.
<v Speaker 2>He says, well, you know what's funny is right here
<v Speaker 2>is where you turn right in there. It's right inside
<v Speaker 2>the woods. Right there inside there's about too far is
<v Speaker 2>where that camera popped that off same area.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's connected with that or not.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>All I know is that it was a it was
<v Speaker 2>a bad feeling. But one time I was up that
<v Speaker 2>mountain is a different mountain and it's it's adjacent to
<v Speaker 2>the ones that I've been talking about on the downs
<v Speaker 2>on this on the down side of it, which is uh,
<v Speaker 2>well it's hard to explain. But anyway, on one of
<v Speaker 2>the side of the mountains there, I was riding by
<v Speaker 2>myself and there's a sneider road. I assumed it went
<v Speaker 2>straight down. It was really steep, and I never really
<v Speaker 2>been down there. I had been almost on every road,
<v Speaker 2>every trail, and I had always heard it just petered
<v Speaker 2>out and it just went straight down and there's like
<v Speaker 2>a creek down there run off and it just stops
<v Speaker 2>and it's really steep, and uh, I think I go
<v Speaker 2>down there. And as I turn and go down, I
<v Speaker 2>get about halfway down. I had the most craziest fear,
<v Speaker 2>like I call an artificial fear, because it just was
<v Speaker 2>like it just was just it's whatever that emotion is
<v Speaker 2>that we have that's called fear. I had nothing. You know,
<v Speaker 2>we contribute to that. You know, we have an experience
<v Speaker 2>that that kicks in, you know, whatever fight or flight
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. This thing just out of nowhere, just for
<v Speaker 2>no reason, just with at this height, heighted that fear,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what is it? You know, I'm like
<v Speaker 2>wrestling with that emotion. I'm thinking, what is this? Like
<v Speaker 2>why am I feeling like this? And then it got
<v Speaker 2>to where it was like death, like like like I
<v Speaker 2>was facing death. And then I could literally hear not thoughts,
<v Speaker 2>but like impressions in my mind like You're gonna don't
<v Speaker 2>come down here, you will die or you know, stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that. And I didn't really mess around with that.
<v Speaker 2>I and it was hard turning that forward around me
<v Speaker 2>because I was like coming down and it was gravel
<v Speaker 2>and rocky and I graveled with just rocks everywhere, and
<v Speaker 2>I had a hard time turning it around to go
<v Speaker 2>back up. The best thing in the same thing when
<v Speaker 2>we go to the bottom, turn around and shoot up.
<v Speaker 2>But it would not let me go further than what
<v Speaker 2>I was going. It just got I think, if I
<v Speaker 2>don't want any further, I would have curled up in
<v Speaker 2>a ball and be uncontrollably fearful and not knowing why.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I anyway, I got anything turned around, and man,
<v Speaker 2>I just I ripped out of there as hard as
<v Speaker 2>I could, and I got to the top. Bear was gone.
<v Speaker 2>I looked down that mountain and then it just shot
<v Speaker 2>back at it. It shot back at me. I don't
<v Speaker 2>even look down here and man and I left. To
<v Speaker 2>this day, I've never been down there.
<v Speaker 4>Are there areas around there that have that sort of
<v Speaker 4>feeling to them?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is.
<v Speaker 2>There's another area where I used to hunt, and it's
<v Speaker 2>far away from everyone else, and it's on that same
<v Speaker 2>big mountain, the main one of about but there's a
<v Speaker 2>ridge that's kind of behind it, and I would hunt
<v Speaker 2>on the top and there's kind of like shelves all
<v Speaker 2>the way down and you know, I would hunt that
<v Speaker 2>that one shelf. But below that, like fifty yards, there's
<v Speaker 2>there's cliffs, rocks. I wouldn't say cliffs like something crazy,
<v Speaker 2>but like, you know, but there's big rocks.
<v Speaker 1>Some of them are like, you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, ten fifteen feet tall. You know, there's a bey're
<v Speaker 2>all scattered through there down there. That area feels different.
<v Speaker 1>That area, And I've mentioned this before.
<v Speaker 2>Even my dad when I first told him years ago, he's,
<v Speaker 2>you're right, it is like that that area just doesn't
<v Speaker 2>feel like you need to be there.
<v Speaker 1>And I would hunt the top.
<v Speaker 2>But I but I but I quit doing that after
<v Speaker 2>a few years because I was like, you know, if
<v Speaker 2>I went after a deer or anything, I can't. I'm
<v Speaker 2>not going down there, you know, Like I'm not going
<v Speaker 2>to go down there. So I gave I gave that
<v Speaker 2>spot up. But there's that one and then that area
<v Speaker 2>where that photograph was shot on that game cam that
<v Speaker 2>I was telling you about, Uh, that area is another
<v Speaker 2>area doesn't feel right. And you know when we back
<v Speaker 2>in the late eighties, there was a tent that they
<v Speaker 2>found set up out there and it had a hat
<v Speaker 2>and a chair and you know, and a guy is
<v Speaker 2>not going to leave his cowboy hat.
<v Speaker 1>I just you know, it's just.
<v Speaker 2>No And his cowboy hat was there, all his his
<v Speaker 2>leaping bag. But the tent was like kind of somewhat weathered,
<v Speaker 2>you know, been out there, you know, been in the
<v Speaker 2>elements for I don't know how long.
<v Speaker 1>I think it will at.
<v Speaker 2>Least take a couple of years to degregate a tent
<v Speaker 2>like that, I would think. And all his stuff was there,
<v Speaker 2>and that's in the same areas where this thing was.
<v Speaker 2>This is the trail cam and all that I would
<v Speaker 2>back in the earlier days, I would walk through there
<v Speaker 2>by myself a lot, and I would think, I don't
<v Speaker 2>really want to be in here, like and then there's
<v Speaker 2>another spot way on top of that same mountain behind it.
<v Speaker 1>It's adjacent to the the other.
<v Speaker 2>So when I was mentioning where I get the fearful thing,
<v Speaker 2>there's a there's a what you called a cave, but
<v Speaker 2>there's an overhang.
<v Speaker 1>It's like a cave.
<v Speaker 2>It's very small or like an overhang, and there's been
<v Speaker 2>a fire in there. You know, you can tell it's
<v Speaker 2>it's I don't know how old that fire was or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>But on top of it, this is it really really high.
<v Speaker 2>I was up there one time. It was deer hunting,
<v Speaker 2>and it was really thick, stupid. You can't really even
<v Speaker 2>see five feet out from trees and grass and just everything.
<v Speaker 2>And but you know, you'll get that fear sometimes from
<v Speaker 2>just to be any kind of a you know, it
<v Speaker 2>could be a cat laying down in there or something.
<v Speaker 1>But I got that. I got it there too, but
<v Speaker 1>nothing like that.
<v Speaker 2>I never went up there after that, So I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if that's a consistent thing, but those other two
<v Speaker 2>locations very consistent with.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know, I just don't like going
<v Speaker 1>in there.
<v Speaker 2>And there are a few places that we just don't go,
<v Speaker 2>like it just gaps between trails and roads, and there
<v Speaker 2>might be like an acre spot where there's just nothing.
<v Speaker 2>No one goes in there, and you know, because it
<v Speaker 2>just happened to be an area where we maneuver around,
<v Speaker 2>and uh, I wonder what's in those places. Maybe there's
<v Speaker 2>a reason why we don't go in there, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, but I'll tell you another something else.
<v Speaker 1>Uh I.
<v Speaker 2>So I moved to Pennsylvania for a while, and I
<v Speaker 2>didn't go out there for a long time, like like
<v Speaker 2>nine years, and uh I came, I came back. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>and I had something happened to me in Pennsylvania too.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know any talking about that,
<v Speaker 2>but but anyway, I came back to uh.
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I've seen my parents and stuff, But
<v Speaker 2>what I mean is I wanted to go to the cabin,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so my brother in laws one by
<v Speaker 2>with my sister and my nephew and he was going
<v Speaker 2>to go out to check his deer feeder. And it
<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm going to assume it was like this
<v Speaker 2>time of year, and he knew I wanted to go
<v Speaker 2>to the cabin, but there was a storm coming in.
<v Speaker 2>It was just my luck, you know, and I hadn't
<v Speaker 2>been after a long time. And he's like, well, he goes,
<v Speaker 2>the storm is going to start like at six in
<v Speaker 2>the morning, start raining. We won't want to get stuck
<v Speaker 2>out there. If we stay the night and we leave
<v Speaker 2>by eight, you know what I mean, we'll just it's
<v Speaker 2>a deep you know whatnot.
<v Speaker 1>So it's like this is like eleven or twelve at night,
<v Speaker 1>if I remember.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you want to go out there, and he said,
<v Speaker 2>I'll do my deer feed your thing. You can just
<v Speaker 2>hang with we can just have breakfast and we'll head
<v Speaker 2>back out.
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, you can least sleep in it.
<v Speaker 2>He goes, we have two two little cabins close by,
<v Speaker 2>and then my uncle's just like, I don't know, thirty
<v Speaker 2>forty yards on the other side, and he's like, you
<v Speaker 2>can crash in the in your cabin with the one
<v Speaker 2>that I built with my nephew.
<v Speaker 1>And then.
<v Speaker 2>So we're driving up and it's the same ridge where
<v Speaker 2>I saw that cloaking thing and about where he turned
<v Speaker 2>in I was telling you about earlier that's about where
<v Speaker 2>we're at. And we're high, we're high above and you
<v Speaker 2>can look down and way down in there is you know,
<v Speaker 2>and I know the land. I know the land even
<v Speaker 2>in the dark, and I know where everything's at, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And I'm out there and I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>what is that? And down below were these red lights,
<v Speaker 2>like just red lights, string of red lights, and they
<v Speaker 2>were pulsating like at this can it's like one, two,
<v Speaker 2>three and then four or five, and they were fixed
<v Speaker 2>like I think it was a V like a V shape,
<v Speaker 2>like a V wing new craft. And the thing about
<v Speaker 2>it is in the front knows how to how a
<v Speaker 2>red one, and it was I'm looking down at it,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And from where it was city in that
<v Speaker 2>whole area, it was almost from point to point almost
<v Speaker 2>a mile. So it's not a this is not a
<v Speaker 2>small this is not a small thing. And my brother
<v Speaker 2>in laws first it's kind of funny because he's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>so cell phone towers And I was like, there, I said,
<v Speaker 2>there's cell phone towers down there.
<v Speaker 1>We're all we all should be getting a check, you
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, those are well, that's right above the cabin
<v Speaker 2>and everything down there. I haven't been down there in
<v Speaker 2>a long time, and I'm looking at that. But here's
<v Speaker 2>here's the weird thing. And I can give you lots
<v Speaker 2>of examples of this. We all had our phones in
<v Speaker 2>our hands. We because right there is the last spot
<v Speaker 2>you can really you get like one bar one and
<v Speaker 2>a half. Once you kind of leave that area, you're
<v Speaker 2>not going to have cell phone thatwards. Except for a
<v Speaker 2>couple of spots, you don't get it at the cabin
<v Speaker 2>there's no there's no sofa on bar so for anybody.
<v Speaker 2>And I remember I was checking maybe my messages or something.
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. We all had our phones down One
<v Speaker 2>of us took a photo, thought about taking a photo.
<v Speaker 2>But we all had this thought, or I know at
<v Speaker 2>least me and my brother in laved it. I haven't
<v Speaker 2>asked my sister that or not, but my nephew, but
<v Speaker 2>was to go down to the bottom and get a
<v Speaker 2>better shot.
<v Speaker 1>That was the thought.
<v Speaker 2>Like, and it's a dumb it's dumb because to get
<v Speaker 2>there into the cabinet's like a twenty minute ride, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And I'm like, why would I
<v Speaker 2>why would I not take a photograph, But that happens
<v Speaker 2>all the time out there, to the point now that
<v Speaker 2>I really think there's something to that. It's like the
<v Speaker 2>projection of the fear, you know.
<v Speaker 1>I had.
<v Speaker 2>Well, anyway, my add an uncle saw one in the
<v Speaker 2>daytime up on the hillside, and and my uncle's architects.
<v Speaker 1>He's doing numbers and all that he.
<v Speaker 2>You know, and he's got you know, we got all
<v Speaker 2>the topo maps of the air and everything. So but anyway,
<v Speaker 2>he was able to do the calculations of the size
<v Speaker 2>of this thing. And the thing was like, what was it,
<v Speaker 2>like sixty feet tall or something and wide way wired
<v Speaker 2>than it is tall, and it was just hovering there
<v Speaker 2>and they watched it for I don't know, maybe ten minutes,
<v Speaker 2>and then they get an idea that they didn't take
<v Speaker 2>a picture of it. They would come across their mind.
<v Speaker 2>They get an idea to go down to the bottom
<v Speaker 2>and get some chairs and maybe come back up and
<v Speaker 2>watch it.
<v Speaker 1>But then they never went back up.
<v Speaker 2>They never went back up, and later when they were
<v Speaker 2>up there later today, it was already gone, you know.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I don't understand that.
<v Speaker 2>But there's something to it, and that would kind of
<v Speaker 2>make sense to be that explains a lot of things
<v Speaker 2>to me, Uh, that's.
<v Speaker 1>Just you know, my two cents on that people see
<v Speaker 1>orbs in this area. They're okay.
<v Speaker 2>So less than a year ago, my dad and his
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend's laying in the cabin and he happened to He
<v Speaker 2>said he was just kind of half as it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>quite asleep. He was just kind of looking out the
<v Speaker 2>window and he said, this white orb was like fifteen
<v Speaker 2>feet out in front of the cabin, going like five
<v Speaker 2>miles an hour, and it was about the size of
<v Speaker 2>a grapefruit, you know, or something, and it was moving
<v Speaker 2>just like real slow, and it just like it was
<v Speaker 2>kind of scan in the area, but it didn't have like,
<v Speaker 2>it didn't emit any light.
<v Speaker 1>He said. What was weird is it was white and
<v Speaker 1>it was bright.
<v Speaker 2>But it didn't it meant light, like, it didn't project
<v Speaker 2>its light out. It only glowed with himself. And then
<v Speaker 2>another one came behind it, and it was a little
<v Speaker 2>further he says, you could see it orientate and going
<v Speaker 2>around trees. Because where he was that's pretty well cleared
<v Speaker 2>like that we got most of the trees away. But
<v Speaker 2>the other one was a little further down, he says,
<v Speaker 2>about fifteen feet off the ground and it just when
<v Speaker 2>I went by.
<v Speaker 1>I saw. So I was with a friend once.
<v Speaker 2>We went out there, and he doesn't really believe in
<v Speaker 2>any of any of this stuff. What he says is
<v Speaker 2>he bike like, you're an honest guy, and he goes,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I believe anything you say. He said, but
<v Speaker 2>I think you just don't know what you saw. And
<v Speaker 2>it's just, you know, kind of one of those answers,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And we were driving out there and it's
<v Speaker 2>there again, it's not quite almost dark, but not quite.
<v Speaker 2>And here comes this red ball kind of like the
<v Speaker 2>one I saw as a kid, and it came towards
<v Speaker 2>us and flew right over us, and probably like fifty
<v Speaker 2>five miles an hour or something like that, size of
<v Speaker 2>a like a like a small car but round, and
<v Speaker 2>just flew right over so and I was just like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>so what's that, you know? And and it's funny because
<v Speaker 2>YEAHM and his brother and his buddy and me.
<v Speaker 1>I think it was just four him like there's a
<v Speaker 1>fifth person.
<v Speaker 2>But we were at this one little area which is
<v Speaker 2>actually based that mountain of those rock cliffs where all
<v Speaker 2>the areas I don't like to go. There's a big
<v Speaker 2>body of water to collect right there. You know, it's
<v Speaker 2>a pretty good sized pond. And at the very end
<v Speaker 2>of it was something big. And from where we were
<v Speaker 2>to that's probably about exactly one hundred yards and it
<v Speaker 2>was squatted down, but every now and then it would
<v Speaker 2>move like its head.
<v Speaker 1>It was big.
<v Speaker 2>So we had a light, you know, and we fly
<v Speaker 2>we shined on it, and it had like like fire
<v Speaker 2>orange eyes, like you know, kind of lit up, not
<v Speaker 2>like super bright, but you could tell, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>the eyes were in front and it it was.
<v Speaker 1>It was big big.
<v Speaker 2>I would honestly say, if that thing stood up, that's
<v Speaker 2>that's like I'm gonna put that in the fifteen foot range.
<v Speaker 2>That's how massive it was. He wouldn't stand up. He
<v Speaker 2>just stayed sort of like just sprawled out. But you
<v Speaker 2>could tell by his shoulders in his head and the
<v Speaker 2>way he was swaying. We got out of there that
<v Speaker 2>that was the end of that. And he they saw that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how they how they you know, dealt
<v Speaker 1>with that way. Yeah, was that shaped like a bigfoot? Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but it was so far away.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he didn't have like antlers on his head
<v Speaker 2>or anything weird like that. It just had It was
<v Speaker 2>just shaped like, honestly, it was shaped like what you
<v Speaker 2>think the biggest Kodiak barrier ever could think of, minus
<v Speaker 2>the snout, you know, and the eye the shape the
<v Speaker 2>eyes were too close.
<v Speaker 1>Together to be a bear, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>Like, I didn't see if it had a snail or not,
<v Speaker 2>But I just if the face did it fit to
<v Speaker 2>me of anything that I've ever seen, so I would
<v Speaker 2>I would put it in the Bigfoot range. Yeah, if
<v Speaker 2>I had to, if I had to put it in
<v Speaker 2>a subcategory.
<v Speaker 4>I just wanted your opinion. I mean, we're talking about
<v Speaker 4>multiple kinds of different phenomenon for lack of a better term,
<v Speaker 4>over decades. Yeah, is this something where there's something about
<v Speaker 4>the region that these things are attracted to or do
<v Speaker 4>you think there's some sort of connection between the actual things.
<v Speaker 2>I think, just in an opinion, I've come to the
<v Speaker 2>conclusion just where I'm at with it as I leave
<v Speaker 2>really more towards that whole the whole Book of Enoch
<v Speaker 2>Nephelem thing.
<v Speaker 1>I'm really that just really jizes with me.
<v Speaker 2>And I believe that that area was probably something in
<v Speaker 2>the past or something, and it's it's either sacred or
<v Speaker 2>there's you know, if you believe in portals. Maybe there's
<v Speaker 2>a portal there or something. There's something very unique about
<v Speaker 2>that area, and they've allowed us to stay there because
<v Speaker 2>we haven't you know, we don't live in a harmony
<v Speaker 2>with them, but we're not really a threat to them,
<v Speaker 2>right and they're interacted with us. And I'll tell you
<v Speaker 2>something how I know that they know us.
<v Speaker 1>But I back in the.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, mid nineties, I bought a compass at
<v Speaker 2>an Army shortest store that used to I think it's
<v Speaker 2>still there.
<v Speaker 1>That's there was something was it like Memorial or Harvard
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's also.
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, there's an Army sherpace store up there, and about
<v Speaker 2>a compass that's it's it's like a military compass, but
<v Speaker 2>it's different and it's plastic and it's unique, like you
<v Speaker 2>can't get it anywhere else. And I've never seen one
<v Speaker 2>like it since I bought that compass. And it was
<v Speaker 2>me for a while, like maybe like a couple of trips.
<v Speaker 2>And one thing is I don't lose my gear, like
<v Speaker 2>you know, I know what's in my gear, I know
<v Speaker 2>where it's at. I know everything about my bag and
<v Speaker 2>when I pack it. And uh, there was a picnic
<v Speaker 2>table that we head out in front of the cabin
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes we're like, you know, you're going through stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I just kind of pull it all out, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and put it all back. I lost that compass, which
<v Speaker 2>I would never I would never do that, like you know,
<v Speaker 2>it just wouldn't happen. And I never found it, never
<v Speaker 2>saw it again. That was like, let's just I don't
<v Speaker 2>know the year, but let's just call that like ninety
<v Speaker 2>seven because it was around there. I see that craft
<v Speaker 2>ten years later. Oh no, no, no, ten years later.
<v Speaker 2>I was like ten years ago whenever I went. I
<v Speaker 2>told you when I went back and we saw that craft,
<v Speaker 2>you know down load. Okay, I go back with a
<v Speaker 2>friend and I mentioned you the story of with the
<v Speaker 2>Blues and the glyphs. The first morning we get on
<v Speaker 2>the four wheel and I said, well, let's go down
<v Speaker 2>to this water There's there's a couple of good water
<v Speaker 2>sources to there and I said, let's you know, water holes.
<v Speaker 2>I said, let's go to this water hole and just
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of get rid of the ladder of
<v Speaker 2>the land. And I don't know between where I told
<v Speaker 2>you that story is with that possible like ewok thing
<v Speaker 2>in the cabin, which isn't far Right in between there
<v Speaker 2>is an old it's either an a logging camp or
<v Speaker 2>back in the depression era, people would live out there.
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they survive and feed their families because of the
<v Speaker 2>deer and things, so they would just go to the woods.
<v Speaker 1>And we always left that alone. There's like a fire pit.
<v Speaker 2>There was like some old battresses and just so much
<v Speaker 2>a debris kind of rotted.
<v Speaker 1>But it's in there, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's how I found that area when I
<v Speaker 2>first went there in eighty nine.
<v Speaker 1>With that we popped up on that spot.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it's just like a deserted camp. Right there
<v Speaker 2>along the side of the road, like two feet was
<v Speaker 2>an old fence. Like the fence is way over one
<v Speaker 2>hundred years old, you can tell, and it's notched and
<v Speaker 2>it's laying on the ground.
<v Speaker 1>And I know where that fence is and that fence line.
<v Speaker 2>So it dragged it over there from there, which is
<v Speaker 2>in the area, but it's not close. It took items
<v Speaker 2>out of that firepit. There's there's bottles and stuff and there.
<v Speaker 2>Some of that might even be worth money, but there's
<v Speaker 2>stuff in there from a long time ago. It took
<v Speaker 2>items out of there and arranged them like you know,
<v Speaker 2>some kind of a like general circle shape around this
<v Speaker 2>flat rock. And then there opened up is by company
<v Speaker 2>pointing through that little crack of that orientated through that
<v Speaker 2>the company. So we're driving by it and she's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>what's that?
<v Speaker 1>What's that?
<v Speaker 2>And I and I looked down and she goes, is
<v Speaker 2>that a compass? And it's just like right at her,
<v Speaker 2>just like right below her. It's just like right there.
<v Speaker 2>It's like a two and a half feet from her.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I mean, you couldn't miss it. And
<v Speaker 2>I'm like I'm looking at it, and I'm thinking to myself,
<v Speaker 2>that looks like my compass.
<v Speaker 1>And the.
<v Speaker 2>When you picked it up, like the water was all
<v Speaker 2>gone out of it and it was like had a
<v Speaker 2>little bit corroded on inside, but the outside was brand new,
<v Speaker 2>because it was a brand new compass, like brand new.
<v Speaker 1>And my dad probably.
<v Speaker 2>Just my dad, but probably everybody else has been by
<v Speaker 2>that road so many times and even that week, even
<v Speaker 2>that day, and know that compass wasn't there and my
<v Speaker 2>dad and my dad's dad wasn't there earlier today. And
<v Speaker 2>one thing about us, because we do, you know, we
<v Speaker 2>like I said, we Arohan, we're really like out there
<v Speaker 2>looking all the time, like we're always looking and not
<v Speaker 2>necessary for these things we're discussing here today, but like
<v Speaker 2>just my dad has a rockhound and likes looking at
<v Speaker 2>cool rocks, and you know, we're just always looking at stuff.
<v Speaker 2>We're not just like the entery through the woods and
<v Speaker 2>with their heads in the in the in the air.
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're always just looking. And it I think
<v Speaker 2>it set that up to know that I would see that,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Yeah, But why did it
<v Speaker 2>leave the compass there when that was my first day
<v Speaker 2>there back other than when I saw that craft out there?
<v Speaker 2>But why did it? It saved it for me? Does
<v Speaker 2>that make sense?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And you didn't know that the compass was missing?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I lost that compass like let's just call
<v Speaker 2>it ninety six or something. I lost it, Wow, And
<v Speaker 2>I knew I lost it because I told you, I
<v Speaker 2>know my gear, Like that's why I.
<v Speaker 1>Was telling you that.
<v Speaker 2>It's like I knew the compass was gone, and it
<v Speaker 2>always bothered me because I thought, and I like that
<v Speaker 2>compass there is in my body. And this is the
<v Speaker 2>whole story why I about that exact compass. But Anyway,
<v Speaker 2>the fact that I lost it made no sense to
<v Speaker 2>me because I just never would have lost it something.
<v Speaker 2>I think it took it off that table when my
<v Speaker 2>gear was out there. It was only really exposed out
<v Speaker 2>there once, and they probably sat out there for a
<v Speaker 2>few hours with my other gear all organized, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't haphazardly just thrown around, right, So it knows us.
<v Speaker 2>You know, my dad, they leave three rocks a lot
<v Speaker 2>with him. They don't leave. They don't leave rocks like
<v Speaker 2>that for me to mine. I've seen it once, but
<v Speaker 2>I don't you know, I was with the people too.
<v Speaker 1>I don't you know, But I know that they kind
<v Speaker 1>of getting back to what we were saying earlier. You know,
<v Speaker 1>they're they know. I think they know us to some degree.
<v Speaker 2>Later, i'd say, two days later, me and that same girl,
<v Speaker 2>we're going down one of these trails and a big
<v Speaker 2>rock flew right by us, like flew like. I don't
<v Speaker 2>think it hit the four with the tire, but I
<v Speaker 2>feel like it did. But you know, when you're going
<v Speaker 2>over rocks, you know, and sometimes it just makes a sound.
<v Speaker 2>But I but I saw it bounce, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>it was it was a big rock like the size
<v Speaker 2>of my head. And she saw it too, and we
<v Speaker 2>and she's familiar with the rocks through anything because she's
<v Speaker 2>experienced it, but you know, just through discussions and we
<v Speaker 2>I stopped and turned the feeling around because right there
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of wide open and a little bit and
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking, you know, I'm scanning.
<v Speaker 1>I don't see anything.
<v Speaker 2>So then I think we sat there for a minute
<v Speaker 2>or two, and then we drove back. I stopped, I look,
<v Speaker 2>and I saw in the woodline one running like just fast.
<v Speaker 2>But what's weird about it? What we both saw. But
<v Speaker 2>what's weird about it? That's and I've heard I've heard
<v Speaker 2>this before from other people out there.
<v Speaker 1>It didn't make.
<v Speaker 2>Any noise, and it ran faster than it looked like
<v Speaker 2>it was running it like like it what I mean
<v Speaker 2>is I could tell it was movie fast, but like
<v Speaker 2>it was easy for it to run like it It
<v Speaker 2>just kind of it looks like it's it's running two
<v Speaker 2>feet off the ground and not touching the ground and
<v Speaker 2>just being like ripped through the forest. Although he was
<v Speaker 2>on the ground. He glided through like if you could
<v Speaker 2>ever picture something. And I've seen deer run and other
<v Speaker 2>animals and they do run, you know, they they have
<v Speaker 2>a good feel for, you know, running through brush and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. But it's very it's nasty, thick out there.
<v Speaker 2>And you didn't hear it ripping through trees or none
<v Speaker 2>of that. It just glided and it was fast. And
<v Speaker 2>I saw I saw it from his mid I would say,
<v Speaker 2>mid shn all the way to the top of his head.
<v Speaker 2>And I saw all of his I saw all of
<v Speaker 2>his legs and arms. He was and he was a
<v Speaker 2>cloak or anything. He was just hauling. But uh, we
<v Speaker 2>saw that. Then uh back on that same we'll call
<v Speaker 2>that mountain number one. We get, we go up there,
<v Speaker 2>and I have been on that mountain. You know. I
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say a million times, but you know
<v Speaker 2>I would think I feel like so many times I
<v Speaker 2>couldn't even count. And you get up there and you
<v Speaker 2>can see around, and that's where I don't really want
<v Speaker 2>to mention on here, but I told you earlier. That's
<v Speaker 2>where you could see that that wasn't landmark, you know,
<v Speaker 2>from a distance. And I always stopped up there and
<v Speaker 2>I always look at that, you know, because it's nice
<v Speaker 2>of you.
<v Speaker 1>And we then would.
<v Speaker 2>We proceed on through the trail and go, you know,
<v Speaker 2>a little further down, and then on the right up there,
<v Speaker 2>like three hundred yards is that area where I would hunt.
<v Speaker 2>And I would tell you that's where that feeling is,
<v Speaker 2>you know, but backing back up.
<v Speaker 1>On the very very top.
<v Speaker 2>I and I've never felt this way I and I've
<v Speaker 2>never done this I because I go up there for
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a it's a big loop.
<v Speaker 1>There's just a you know, and it's a nice drive.
<v Speaker 2>And that was the whole purpose to go up there,
<v Speaker 2>was to go because even if you stop there, there's
<v Speaker 2>two other places that you can go to. So if
<v Speaker 2>you see that one, you always go to the next
<v Speaker 2>one or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>I've never.
<v Speaker 2>Stopped, and I just I felt that feeling like I
<v Speaker 2>knew not to go forward, like I knew not to
<v Speaker 2>go across that. The top of that top of that
<v Speaker 2>mountain is pretty well, uh cleared completely and.
<v Speaker 1>I would say is probably.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe one hundred and fifty yards from where I was
<v Speaker 2>to where the trees picked back up again. And you
<v Speaker 2>go back in there and now you're heading towards where
<v Speaker 2>you know I hunt at and everything I stopped on
<v Speaker 2>the other end, and I knew not to go forward,
<v Speaker 2>and I was just like we're gonna, we're gonna turn around.
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, really that prompted her. She took her
<v Speaker 2>camera and just started taking crazy photographs, like all the
<v Speaker 2>way around that whole bank, and I'll send you this.
<v Speaker 2>This thing was I didn't see it, but photographs picked
<v Speaker 2>it up. This thing had a foot in one. I've
<v Speaker 2>showed so many people they always get creeped out by
<v Speaker 2>this picture. It had one foot in one tread of
<v Speaker 2>where the tire would be and one in the other.
<v Speaker 2>So you have a gauge, you can measure that right,
<v Speaker 2>And so let's say, let's roughly five feet. This thing
<v Speaker 2>had a foot in one, a foot in the other,
<v Speaker 2>and he was every bit of three to three and
<v Speaker 2>a half times that heighth.
<v Speaker 1>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>And and he had horns, some kind of a horn
<v Speaker 2>thing on his head, some kind of an antler looked
<v Speaker 2>thing on both sides. He's just standing there and he
<v Speaker 2>is massive, and that could have been what was on
<v Speaker 2>down on If you drop me, if you stay right where
<v Speaker 2>he's at and you go down that mountain, you're where
<v Speaker 2>I told you about where that where he was squatted
<v Speaker 2>down with.
<v Speaker 1>So my buddies saw that. It's all around the Saint Mountain.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, uh, you got to zoom into the photograph
<v Speaker 2>and to see it, you know what I mean. But
<v Speaker 2>once you zoom in, I mean, he's just right there
<v Speaker 2>and it looks like he might be holding something.
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell. It's black.
<v Speaker 2>It's blurry, but not blurry, not blurry that you can't
<v Speaker 2>you can't see the outline of it, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And I took.
<v Speaker 2>My best friend out there at one time that I
<v Speaker 2>grew up with, I don't know, just a few years ago,
<v Speaker 2>and but it was after that that was that would
<v Speaker 2>have been like the year after COVID or whatever is
<v Speaker 2>when that shot was taken. And uh, I had him
<v Speaker 2>standing in that same spot, you know, and I think
<v Speaker 2>he's like six one or two or something, and he
<v Speaker 2>just looks I mean, he looks insignificant. It makes me
<v Speaker 2>think that guy might even be bigger than that. But
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't just tall. He was wide, you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like.
<v Speaker 1>Just massive.
<v Speaker 2>H But for that to be walking around like you
<v Speaker 2>think he would leave something, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but there's you know, you don't see,
<v Speaker 2>like you don't see like big prints or big you know.
<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you something else that's weird out there.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, we see a lot of prints. I
<v Speaker 2>mean that's not like super uncommon, and then especially in
<v Speaker 2>certain areas. And I mean, I don't want to say
<v Speaker 2>I would guarantee you print, but I almost kind of would.
<v Speaker 2>And because I took another friend out there like after
<v Speaker 2>that time and there again she was a photographer, and
<v Speaker 2>then we went out for this purpose and see we
<v Speaker 2>actually uh found like maybe onto maybe like five sets
<v Speaker 2>of prints, and we had plaster, so I cast it one.
<v Speaker 2>I've never cast it before, you know, I casted it,
<v Speaker 2>and she took a lot of photographs and it's like
<v Speaker 2>he came out in the road, he turned. But you
<v Speaker 2>know what's weird about the about these things is that
<v Speaker 2>you never see along. You can't follow them. They they
<v Speaker 2>only go so far and they stop. They they're here,
<v Speaker 2>and they'll be like and this is calm. Everyone will
<v Speaker 2>out there will tell you this. You'll see maybe and
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they're jumping, if they're you know,
<v Speaker 2>something that we're not even thinking of, or if they're
<v Speaker 2>you know, being taken out of here through some something
<v Speaker 2>weird you know, I don't know, but you'll just see
<v Speaker 2>it maybe just a short while and they just completely stop.
<v Speaker 2>And so there's no in the beginning till there's just
<v Speaker 2>a little run and that's it. That's pretty consistent. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've heard anything like that before. Oh, okay,
<v Speaker 2>and me and this first friend I was telling you about.
<v Speaker 2>We he and I were just getting cabin fever. Like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not really inside, you know, cat, you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And I'm like she's not either.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I gotta get out of here. Like I said,
<v Speaker 2>you want to go to the Blue I said, I
<v Speaker 2>need to be into some mountains, you know, like I
<v Speaker 2>needed some mountains and just like some fresh air and
<v Speaker 2>some trees and you know all that. And they get
<v Speaker 2>kind of charged up here, and uh, she was all excited.
<v Speaker 2>You know, she's not from America, so from Europe. But anyway,
<v Speaker 2>she's like, yeah, yeah, let's go, let's go, you know.
<v Speaker 2>So we're looking at it. We decide we're going to
<v Speaker 2>be in a few days to go up into the
<v Speaker 2>the Blue bed, you know, and uh, you don't get
<v Speaker 2>a lot of like my map wasn't working good. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's just bad all through there or
<v Speaker 2>it's my phone or whatever. But I'd said, well, let's
<v Speaker 2>just take a couple of back roads.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just kind of like, and that's where all the
<v Speaker 2>like I know back home, you know, like the back roads.
<v Speaker 1>I know, that's where all like, all the cool stuff
<v Speaker 1>is in the water.
<v Speaker 2>The swimming holes, and all the cool stuff is there
<v Speaker 2>on the back roads.
<v Speaker 1>I thought, maybe we'll maybe we'll see something cool.
<v Speaker 2>And all she really wanted to do was see a
<v Speaker 2>bear in the wild, you know, and all this. Of
<v Speaker 2>course later she goes to Oklahoma and see something crazier stuff,
<v Speaker 2>you know.
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, Uh, I just to this day, I don't
<v Speaker 1>know why. It's just it's odd to me.
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't, you know, the first didn't think much
<v Speaker 2>of it, obviously, but now, especially looking back, it's really weird.
<v Speaker 2>I would pick this road, but I just we're going
<v Speaker 2>down this main road and i've since then Google mapp
<v Speaker 2>and I found it, you know, where it's at. And
<v Speaker 2>I turned off and it just starts dropping down this
<v Speaker 2>mountain and we're in a car.
<v Speaker 1>No we can't, we can't go too crazy.
<v Speaker 2>And we get to the bottom and there's a there's
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful little river like a brook and it's like
<v Speaker 2>three feet deep. It's flowing, and it's like you know, like, uh,
<v Speaker 2>it's like Hobbinville, you know. Down there, it's just beautiful
<v Speaker 2>green and these big trees. And there was a palette
<v Speaker 2>like right on the on the shore there, and I thought,
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I think, I'm just gonna chill out
<v Speaker 2>on this palate.
<v Speaker 1>I just want to like just chill out here.
<v Speaker 2>And she she there again, she's big enough photography, so
<v Speaker 2>she's gonna do photography everywhere. So we made an agreement
<v Speaker 2>that we would just be within uh a certain distance
<v Speaker 2>where we could see each other constantly, you know. And
<v Speaker 2>I was more concerned about just weirdos, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>uh I did.
<v Speaker 1>I always there again, I.
<v Speaker 2>Had a gun, you know, but it was in the
<v Speaker 2>trunk and anything I would need it and one not.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, everything was going nice. You know.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just laying there and relaxing, you know, watching some
<v Speaker 2>birds and stuff. And I could hear her, you know,
<v Speaker 2>she's sitting up her tripos.
<v Speaker 1>He's doing heverything.
<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden, I got that feeling like
<v Speaker 2>back home, and I'm like, and I stop, and I
<v Speaker 2>kind of get up, and of course she could see
<v Speaker 2>me and so kind of looking at me, and then
<v Speaker 2>I'm like looking around and I go being it to
<v Speaker 2>the trunk, which is like ten feet from me. I
<v Speaker 2>popped the trunk open and I get my I get that,
<v Speaker 2>but to run a cloud and I loaded, which I
<v Speaker 2>never loaded, even when I've gotten it out a few times,
<v Speaker 2>like on our trip.
<v Speaker 1>We were walking around like.
<v Speaker 2>A couple of like swimming areas and stuff, and I
<v Speaker 2>and I got I said, I don't be I think
<v Speaker 2>we're okay, and I just left it, you know whatever.
<v Speaker 2>It gets a tree, but I didn't even have the
<v Speaker 2>AMMO was close by, you know, I didn't actually load
<v Speaker 2>it or anything. But this time, I mean I loaded
<v Speaker 2>it and I'm sitting there and she immediately comes over.
<v Speaker 2>She's like, what's wrong, And I was like, I think,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think I'm getting like some weird
<v Speaker 2>vibes down here, and I'm looking it's weird because I
<v Speaker 2>can kind of project it, you know, like it's I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's weird, but like if I point a
<v Speaker 2>certain way, I can I can kind of feel, you know,
<v Speaker 2>where those where those vibes are kind of coming from.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm looking at this one free direction constantly. I'm
<v Speaker 2>not I've never looked behind me, and I didn't look
<v Speaker 2>to my left. He was always that way. I'm holding
<v Speaker 2>that gun. And I said, hey, take the car and
<v Speaker 2>turn it around, like point it up, or we can
<v Speaker 2>just get out of here and leave the doors open
<v Speaker 2>and leave it running. And I said, do you want
<v Speaker 2>to stay here for a second? And I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if she's comfortable with that, And all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>that's that as you know, the infamous wet dog smell
<v Speaker 2>so thick, and she's she's like puckering up. She says, oh,
<v Speaker 2>that's nasty. And I was like, she goes, it's a
<v Speaker 2>big foot and I was like, but we could have seen.
<v Speaker 2>And I was like yeah, and I said it's like
<v Speaker 2>close but I but I said, it's cloaking for sure.
<v Speaker 2>And uh.
<v Speaker 1>We sat there because.
<v Speaker 2>Even though the trees are really big there, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you ain't got big trees. That just opens up more.
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't like back home thick you could see
<v Speaker 2>through there and barry wooden and a canopy and everything,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, you could see and I didn't see.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm watching the water. I don't see anything like
<v Speaker 2>walking in the water. I don't see like anything disturbing anything.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm looking pretty pretty close the leaves. I don't
<v Speaker 2>like the feeling leaves, you know that whatever that is.
<v Speaker 1>And so.
<v Speaker 2>We sat there for a few more minutes and we're
<v Speaker 2>thinking about what to do, and I said, well, do
<v Speaker 2>you want to you want to look for our footprint
<v Speaker 2>or something. I said, well, we can leave, you know.
<v Speaker 2>She's like, let's look. She had her camera, and so
<v Speaker 2>I said, I said, well, what we're gonna do is
<v Speaker 2>I want to walk on the right side.
<v Speaker 1>You're going to walk on the left.
<v Speaker 2>Anything you see, take a picture or if I see anthing,
<v Speaker 2>I'll let you know, you take a picture. And I
<v Speaker 2>said anything like, it doesn't matter what it is like.
<v Speaker 2>It looks like anything, I said. And it looked like
<v Speaker 2>looks so close, like really focus and we're walking, and
<v Speaker 2>I mean we we're like taking our time, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and we walk like I don't know, maybe thirty feet,
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's about us. It starts getting really thick
<v Speaker 2>over there, and it seemed like it was all close by.
<v Speaker 2>Didn't see nothing. And right to the left of the
<v Speaker 2>car there's like a big i don't know, like a big,
<v Speaker 2>big musk of nine vine or something, some kind of
<v Speaker 2>big vinything. You can't see through it, but it was
<v Speaker 2>like maybe six feet tall and like maybe twenty feet long.
<v Speaker 2>The car is on this side, we're on the other
<v Speaker 2>side of it, looking nothing. We come back to the car,
<v Speaker 2>don't see anything. But we're kind of walking around that bush.
<v Speaker 2>Don't see anything.
<v Speaker 1>No prints. We leave.
<v Speaker 2>Later that night, we're actually we're in a hotel room
<v Speaker 2>at this point and I'm tired, so I'm passed down
<v Speaker 2>and she's over on this other bed and she's got
<v Speaker 2>all this, like got her laptop and you know, she's
<v Speaker 2>photo editing, goes to all her stuff, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, she just starts like hyperventilating, like
<v Speaker 2>she's crying, hyperventilating, and I'm like, what's wrong. I get
<v Speaker 2>up and like what's up? And she's like, look at this,
<v Speaker 2>look at this picture. She's all I mean, she's freaking out,
<v Speaker 2>and she goes I remember now, and I was like what,
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what are you talking about? And
<v Speaker 2>right by that big tree I was looking at on
<v Speaker 2>the ground was a print. It took a picture of it,
<v Speaker 2>and I said, you're supposed to tell me, like you
<v Speaker 2>didn't tell me there's a print there, like that was
<v Speaker 2>the whole point. And it was right where I thought
<v Speaker 2>he crossed, like where I felt like he crossed.
<v Speaker 1>And she goes, I know, I know.
<v Speaker 2>She goes, it told me this is this is where
<v Speaker 2>I started thinking more about us. It told me not
<v Speaker 2>to tell you, and it said I'm a bear and
<v Speaker 2>it's okay, you'll be okay. She said, that's what it said.
<v Speaker 2>I said, then it didn't say my name, did it.
<v Speaker 2>She goes, no, I don't remember that. Wow, And well, hey,
<v Speaker 2>there's a little more to the story. So six months
<v Speaker 2>later or something, I go over there. We're eating, we're
<v Speaker 2>talking about this and these kind of things, and he
<v Speaker 2>he goes, she's you want to help me go through
<v Speaker 2>some of these other photographs and I'm like, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we can do that. So she gets me in whatever
<v Speaker 2>iPad or something and I'm like scrolling through and I thought,
<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, I said, we there's going to
<v Speaker 2>be another footprint. I said, I know where he went,
<v Speaker 2>because that footprint he he went in front of that car,
<v Speaker 2>He crossed that road, and he went up that mount er,
<v Speaker 2>up that road or something. He went that way. I
<v Speaker 2>know he did and I said, there's a footprint somewhere.
<v Speaker 2>And I mean when she takes photographs, I mean she
<v Speaker 2>takes like thousands, you know. And I said, there's so many,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like she's like a crime scene investigator, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And so.
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking, I'm looking, and then all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>I go, you know what, she goes what I says.
<v Speaker 1>Look right here. You know what he did.
<v Speaker 2>He stepped when she turned that when that car got
<v Speaker 2>turned around, he stepped in those He stepped in the
<v Speaker 2>car tracks. He was smart enough to know that I
<v Speaker 2>was going to look, and he stepped on those car
<v Speaker 2>tracks and then he helped out. He knew, like he
<v Speaker 2>knew that that that those cars that car tread would
<v Speaker 2>hide his would hide his step, and they kind of did.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, but I can see, you know her
<v Speaker 2>They weren't bad tires, you know. I could see the
<v Speaker 2>outline of the especially the outer two part of the
<v Speaker 2>tire and the in the middle of one. You could
<v Speaker 2>just see the impression that was like done on top
<v Speaker 2>of it. And you know, we we were.
<v Speaker 1>It was just so there was no one else out there.
<v Speaker 2>Nothing could have laid that impression unless it was fresh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, pretty pretty clever.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, almost beyond clever, almost very much. It seems like
<v Speaker 4>something else is at play at that point.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And how did it know that this is a
<v Speaker 1>whole other area? How did it know that I would
<v Speaker 1>even be entered? Well, it did.
<v Speaker 2>It probably was wondering how I knew where it was,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Yeah, because I didn't have
<v Speaker 2>I had my gun out, even pointing towards it, like.
<v Speaker 1>It was too close. That's smell.
<v Speaker 2>That smell seemed like it was like five feet away closer,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it was too close for me, and
<v Speaker 2>with my friend next to me, you know, it's like
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna let you, like, I don't know what you're
<v Speaker 2>up to, but that's too close. For years, we didn't
<v Speaker 2>talk to really talk about it because you know, it
<v Speaker 2>wasn't popular twenty five years ago to talk about it
<v Speaker 2>like it is now. Now I can mention it and
<v Speaker 2>they're like, they're like, yeah, they're open people that are
<v Speaker 2>so open minded.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's really good.
<v Speaker 2>And they're like hear you out and have questions or
<v Speaker 2>they'll remember something to bring it, you know, to the table.
<v Speaker 1>You know. But the reason why I.
<v Speaker 2>Wanted to share it with you really was, because it's
<v Speaker 2>information that you know, we don't need to be ignorant
<v Speaker 2>to this, like there's a reason this is all happening,
<v Speaker 2>and we need to try to figure it out and
<v Speaker 2>we need to be educated.
<v Speaker 1>And the more.
<v Speaker 2>We know, the more information we have, then we can start,
<v Speaker 2>you know, getting away from theory to start locking down
<v Speaker 2>some actual, some real ideas.
<v Speaker 1>You know. It's it's there's something going on.
<v Speaker 4>You've said enough during this conversation to cause me to
<v Speaker 4>form a complete new hypothesis for me to start checking
<v Speaker 4>out and seeing if I can figure some things out personally.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, that's that's the role. That's the roller coaster.
<v Speaker 4>You know, you never know who's going to have the
<v Speaker 4>missing piece of the puzzle, or you know who's going
<v Speaker 4>to have a piece that fits your piece that might
<v Speaker 4>be listening.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 2>Man.
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to end it for now, but I mean,
<v Speaker 4>if you're down, you know, thank of some more stuff
<v Speaker 4>that you'd be comfortable with, and I'd love to have
<v Speaker 4>you back on sometime.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just let me know whenever. There's plenty more.
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