I Don’t Need Saving: Gal Ritchie on Sex Work, Power & Choice

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<v Speaker 2>my guest today is somebody who I'm so excited to
<v Speaker 2>have on. I've been trying to get her on for
<v Speaker 2>a hot minute. Here She took home the award for
<v Speaker 2>avn's Best New Starlet and exbus is Best New Performer.
<v Speaker 2>She moved to LA from the UK less than two
<v Speaker 2>years ago and is already the adult industry's next big star.
<v Speaker 2>Welcome Gala, Richie.
<v Speaker 3>Thank you one introduction, Thank you so much.
<v Speaker 2>Of course. No, I'm so excited to have you here.
<v Speaker 2>You've I remember when you first started working, there was
<v Speaker 2>already like a buzz about you, and people were telling
<v Speaker 2>me like, oh my god, you know gal Ricci, She's
<v Speaker 2>really great. You would love her. I think when did
<v Speaker 2>you start actually working in adults?
<v Speaker 4>So I start My first scene I found was June
<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty three, but I moved he August twenty twenty three.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I think like you started just when I
<v Speaker 2>stopped directing. Really yeah, because I remember. I know because
<v Speaker 2>I remember someone saying like you got to shoot her,
<v Speaker 2>and I was either like I'd stopped or I was
<v Speaker 2>about to stop, and I was like, I hope I
<v Speaker 2>get to work with her before I stopped. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>then sadly not didn't happen.
<v Speaker 4>It would have been amazing. Yeah, no, another lifetime.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, you know, like never say never I'm
<v Speaker 2>not so sort of directing, okay, like three D holograms
<v Speaker 2>for X week. But anyways, and look, I'm I'm not
<v Speaker 2>like completely out of the game. I'm just I directed
<v Speaker 2>my focus.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just a different bit in the industry.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just trying new avenues. You know, I may
<v Speaker 2>come who knows, may come back? Full circle. Life's weird
<v Speaker 2>like that.
<v Speaker 3>So true, that's true, it is.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So when did you actually permanently move here to La?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>So I moved officially to La and August twenty twenty three.
<v Speaker 4>I'd come for two weeks in June to try out
<v Speaker 4>to see how I liked it, and then yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 4>went back home and packed up two suitcases. I quit
<v Speaker 4>my civvy job, and I moved out her August twenty
<v Speaker 4>twenty three, which is almost two years ago.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, so you came out here and then literally like
<v Speaker 2>two months later, you moved out here.
<v Speaker 3>My whole life.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I moved my whole life out her, and I knew
<v Speaker 4>no one.
<v Speaker 3>I only knew Speaker.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, your agent my agent? Yeah, so how did you like?
<v Speaker 2>How did you find you? How did you get out here?
<v Speaker 2>How did you get to that point?
<v Speaker 4>I basically harassed him for the good part of two years.
<v Speaker 4>If I'm doing something, I get very methodical about how
<v Speaker 4>I want to do it. I research everything. So when
<v Speaker 4>I decided that I wanted to partake in the adult
<v Speaker 4>film industry, I looked at who I think are some
<v Speaker 4>of the most successful girls in the industry and who
<v Speaker 4>represented them, and Mark Spiegeler's name came up, and so
<v Speaker 4>then I basically did every form of online media I
<v Speaker 4>could find. I looked at so like podcast interviews, anything
<v Speaker 4>written down or watched or whatever. I've listened to that,
<v Speaker 4>including yours, the one you did with Gina, right, Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>that was. It's really funny. Actually I used to.
<v Speaker 2>One where he was like, I'll do your shower as
<v Speaker 2>long as I can answer, and sure enough he took
<v Speaker 2>a car.
<v Speaker 4>We all had the same Mark voice when we do
<v Speaker 4>it as well. It's so funny.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So I would listen to your podcast you did with him.
<v Speaker 4>On my long I would go on these long walks
<v Speaker 4>in the country where I'm from, we have like a
<v Speaker 4>river and I would do these long, like two hour
<v Speaker 4>walks back and forth listening to God, I sound like
<v Speaker 4>a stalker listening to your interview with him and kind
<v Speaker 4>of like imagining myself in lad listen to it a million.
<v Speaker 4>I could probably recite some of the podcast I know.
<v Speaker 4>And now you're like, help get me out. Yeah no
<v Speaker 4>as yeah, so yeah, there was there's a few podcasts
<v Speaker 4>that I reckon I could recite.
<v Speaker 2>Because he wasn't he was on he was on No
<v Speaker 2>Jumper I think.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yours No Jumper te t Boy. He did one
<v Speaker 4>like back in the day that I also listened to.
<v Speaker 4>There was another one I can't remember the name of it.
<v Speaker 4>Oh God, I can't remember the name of it. And
<v Speaker 4>then the documentary he did, Patron of the Tarts. I
<v Speaker 4>could probably recite that word for word. I showed, like
<v Speaker 4>my mum that documentary, my best friend that documentary.
<v Speaker 3>My mum had to watch that like three or four times.
<v Speaker 3>I made to watch it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So I did like a lot of a lot of
<v Speaker 4>research on him. And then when I made my mind
<v Speaker 4>up and I was like, Okay, I really actually want
<v Speaker 4>to do this, I sent him as he asked for
<v Speaker 4>a well worded email with professional photos, and I got
<v Speaker 4>a call and it was from George who's like Mark's
<v Speaker 4>number two and speaks or Mark. I need to call
<v Speaker 4>him one thing, so it doesn't confusing. Mark was in
<v Speaker 4>the hospital in a coma.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was sick for a while. We weren't sure
<v Speaker 2>if he was going to make it.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and George was like, now, it's probably not the
<v Speaker 4>best time, you know, But we kept in contact for
<v Speaker 4>about a year.
<v Speaker 2>From my head, Mark being like, I'll go into a
<v Speaker 2>comma as long as I can answer my phone, doing.
<v Speaker 4>It probably something he said, yeah, oh yeah. And then
<v Speaker 4>when he came out of the coma, I'm sure not immediately,
<v Speaker 4>but George was like, there's a girl from England. She's interested.
<v Speaker 4>Do you want to have conversation with her? And so
<v Speaker 4>then I spoke to him and he's very good. He
<v Speaker 4>only wants people that are determined. So he shuts the
<v Speaker 4>door on you a lot because he wants you to
<v Speaker 4>be like, hi, I'm interested. He wants you to reopen it,
<v Speaker 4>you know, and he does that a few times. I think,
<v Speaker 4>until you show him how much you want the job,
<v Speaker 4>which I think is why I want to say, pretty
<v Speaker 4>much all of the girls on his roster and have
<v Speaker 4>been on his roster, I want to be in the
<v Speaker 4>industry because they love the job, they're responsible, they want
<v Speaker 4>to do it because they like the performing aspect of it.
<v Speaker 3>They like sex.
<v Speaker 2>You know, how does he shed the door on you?
<v Speaker 2>So do you seel like I'm not interested? Go away
<v Speaker 2>no crack?
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, he gives you like Spiegeler challenges, so he'll
<v Speaker 4>be like sorry, He'll be like, okay, you're interested. Well,
<v Speaker 4>these photos aren't good enough. I need what does he say?
<v Speaker 3>I need?
<v Speaker 4>Straight up and down side view? Like, he gives you
<v Speaker 4>a specific way. He wants you to take photos and
<v Speaker 4>send them to him, and then I think he sees
<v Speaker 4>how long it takes you to do it, so then
<v Speaker 4>like within the day, I send him the photos. As
<v Speaker 4>soon as I got off the phone, I send him
<v Speaker 4>the photos. And then he's like he just replies like
<v Speaker 4>thank you for the photos or whatever. Then I call
<v Speaker 4>him again, So what's the next step?
<v Speaker 3>You know, what can I do for now?
<v Speaker 4>And then he sets a date and time that he
<v Speaker 4>wants you to call him to see how good you
<v Speaker 4>are at timekeeping and stuff. So I did that, and
<v Speaker 4>then he does that with Skype or Zoom or FaceTime
<v Speaker 4>or whatever the same day and time situation. And then
<v Speaker 4>he asks you like a series of questions and he
<v Speaker 4>always says this it's the moment before the answer, not
<v Speaker 4>the actual answer. On how you tell what a person
<v Speaker 4>actually means on like why you like sex, why you
<v Speaker 4>want to be in the industry, why, a whole bunch
<v Speaker 4>a plethora of questions that helps you or him find
<v Speaker 4>out who you are as a person and your motivations
<v Speaker 4>for joining the industry, which I think why what he
<v Speaker 4>finds most important in who he picks or who he
<v Speaker 4>agrees to represents people's motivations for being in the job
<v Speaker 4>more than what they look like or who they are.
<v Speaker 4>He's not too bothered about that, you know, it's why
<v Speaker 4>you want to do that and your attitude towards towards it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeaheah, I mean those the obviously, like what you
<v Speaker 2>look like, it's stuff matter too, because he has to
<v Speaker 2>be able to sell you, right, I mean it's a
<v Speaker 2>visual job.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, definitely, I think it's secondary though, yeah, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean to be because to be as Spiegler
<v Speaker 2>girl is not easy, Like it's for people who don't know, Like,
<v Speaker 2>maybe let them know, like what is required of you
<v Speaker 2>to be as Spiegeler girl, Like what are some of
<v Speaker 2>the things that maybe he wants from town that perhaps
<v Speaker 2>other agents wouldn't be so strict about.
<v Speaker 4>So I think he has got more lenient, you know.
<v Speaker 4>I think back in the day.
<v Speaker 2>I would say, for sure, Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>It was a whole nother level. I think maybe because
<v Speaker 4>he feels totally responsible for me because I moved here
<v Speaker 4>not knowing anyone. I'm held, I would say, to higher standards,
<v Speaker 4>almost as high as how tough he was back in
<v Speaker 4>the day, and not everyone else is anymore. I have
<v Speaker 4>to answer my phone basically the first time it rings.
<v Speaker 4>I have to answer a text as soon as I
<v Speaker 4>get it. There's no waiting around.
<v Speaker 3>If I have work.
<v Speaker 4>I'm not to cancel work unless I'm on my deathbed.
<v Speaker 4>I've only canceled I want to say, two jobs since
<v Speaker 4>being here for almost two years, and both were times
<v Speaker 4>I basically couldn't get out of bed.
<v Speaker 3>I was so sick.
<v Speaker 4>And even then I was like, oh, go if I
<v Speaker 4>need to, you know, and they were the ones to
<v Speaker 4>be like, no, it's okay, we don't want you ill
<v Speaker 4>on set. You need to be on time, as he says,
<v Speaker 4>on time, as late early as on time. Professional. You know,
<v Speaker 4>even if you're having a bad day, you don't go
<v Speaker 4>on set. And like Strop about and complain the whole time.
<v Speaker 4>And it's different if, you know, if you're being asked
<v Speaker 4>to do things that are against your boundaries. But if
<v Speaker 4>it's stuff like it's a long day, it's kind of
<v Speaker 4>get over it, you know, or your shoes hurt or whatever.
<v Speaker 4>You're there to do a job, and you're there to
<v Speaker 4>act as professional as if you were in an office
<v Speaker 4>based job. You know, it doesn't matter that you're on
<v Speaker 4>set for a bunch of people and you're doing sex work, like,
<v Speaker 4>it doesn't matter. You know, you act in the same
<v Speaker 4>accordance as you were if you were in an office.
<v Speaker 2>Well sounds about right, Yeah, sounds like Mark. All right,
<v Speaker 2>So let's let's talk about how we got to with
<v Speaker 2>your decision. Yeah do porn? Yes, So let's start from let'school.
<v Speaker 2>Let's rewind a little bit rid back. How did you
<v Speaker 2>get to that place where you even decided to come work?
<v Speaker 4>So when I was eighteen, I started in cam work.
<v Speaker 4>That was my first sex worker job.
<v Speaker 3>I really enjoyed it.
<v Speaker 4>I enjoyed the performance aspect of it being watched by
<v Speaker 4>someone online. I found a massive turn on. But I
<v Speaker 4>didn't like the aspect of it being very heavily disconnected.
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm not in the room with the person.
<v Speaker 4>I find it really hard to match the energy because
<v Speaker 4>I'm not around them. So I tried that for a while,
<v Speaker 4>and then I had a lot of requests from people
<v Speaker 4>to do more dominant sessions on online on cam and
<v Speaker 4>I did that for a while, and then I had
<v Speaker 4>a guy offer me some money to meet him in
<v Speaker 4>person and do a session, a domb session with him
<v Speaker 4>in person, which I ended up doing, which was really
<v Speaker 4>one of the most unsafe things I've ever done. I
<v Speaker 4>like went up to London from my little village and
<v Speaker 4>I did a corporate punishment session with this guy.
<v Speaker 2>Were you nervous about it? Like, did you realize that
<v Speaker 2>it was an unsafe situation at the time or did
<v Speaker 2>I not realize that till after.
<v Speaker 4>I had so much adrenaline, I don't think any form
<v Speaker 4>of safety issue was going through my brain. I was
<v Speaker 4>so excited, and I'm not from money, so although now
<v Speaker 4>the amount of money probably is lesser to me, in
<v Speaker 4>my head at the time, I was like, I'm going
<v Speaker 4>to make what in my hand from doing what, you know,
<v Speaker 4>So I went and I basically the good part of
<v Speaker 4>half an hour just beat the fuck out of him,
<v Speaker 4>and afterwards he said, you're really good at this, you know,
<v Speaker 4>like you'll vet, you have a very good way with
<v Speaker 4>your words. You could do this professionally if you wanted to.
<v Speaker 4>There's courses where you can get trained to do this
<v Speaker 4>in a safe way and work in very upscale dungeons
<v Speaker 4>and London. And so I then did my whole thing
<v Speaker 4>where I do all my research, and I found a
<v Speaker 4>school called I think it's called the London School of Domination,
<v Speaker 4>and I contacted them and I trained under a mistress
<v Speaker 4>for five months in a dungeon.
<v Speaker 3>So I learned.
<v Speaker 4>Not only like the niche of fetish and BDSM as
<v Speaker 4>a whole, but also everything that comes with that, so
<v Speaker 4>health and safety practices, consent boundaries, where to hit someone,
<v Speaker 4>where to not hit someone, how to not leave marks aftercare,
<v Speaker 4>everything that comes with that form of play.
<v Speaker 2>What do you think is like the most valuable thing
<v Speaker 2>that you learned there, Like the one thing that sticks
<v Speaker 2>out to you?
<v Speaker 3>Communication? Okay, I think is probably key.
<v Speaker 2>I would say communication as in like your client letting
<v Speaker 2>you know where their boundaries lie.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think throughout the session, you know, prior during play,
<v Speaker 4>and then post a lot of the people I worked
<v Speaker 4>with saw it as a therapy session. You know, a
<v Speaker 4>lot of them had been through some traumatic experiences that
<v Speaker 4>they were in some form living out in a controlled
<v Speaker 4>environment to understand themselves more, or understand the situation that
<v Speaker 4>happened to them, or take control mentally about the situation
<v Speaker 4>that happened to them. And doing work like that is
<v Speaker 4>very sensitive. So afterwards, you can't just be like bye,
<v Speaker 4>see you.
<v Speaker 2>Later, yeah, you know, you kind of help them like
<v Speaker 2>unpack it.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and sit down and kind of bring them back
<v Speaker 4>to the real world. Almost like in my personal life,
<v Speaker 4>I'm way more submissive, So I think because of that,
<v Speaker 4>I can understand the feeling of a sub drop when
<v Speaker 4>you take yourself out of the play after and it's
<v Speaker 4>euphor it. It's the same as like coming down from
<v Speaker 4>a drug. You know, you have to really take a
<v Speaker 4>minute to sit down and breathe because you're kind of
<v Speaker 4>like this, and then as soon as the emotions crash,
<v Speaker 4>you can feel like shit. And I can imagine. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>I haven't lived out traumatic experiences through BDSM, but that's
<v Speaker 4>a whole other level, you know, And a lot of
<v Speaker 4>the clients I would see, they'd come on their lunch
<v Speaker 4>break from.
<v Speaker 3>Their office jobs.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so they'd like come in their little suits from
<v Speaker 4>the City of London with their financial banking jobs, come
<v Speaker 4>and see me for an hour and then.
<v Speaker 3>Go back to work, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Or they were older guys, and these guys were so frail,
<v Speaker 4>some of them, and I would put them up, you know,
<v Speaker 4>like put a lot of weight on them, or do
<v Speaker 4>a lot of heavy impact play. I really don't know
<v Speaker 4>how they would do it, because I wouldn't be able
<v Speaker 4>to do that amount of impact play in their like
<v Speaker 4>skin and bones, a lot of And then afterwards you
<v Speaker 4>sit them down with some juice and like let the sugar,
<v Speaker 4>but probably like king along the tube on the way
<v Speaker 4>back home to their wife or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, so I got a lot of interesting that
<v Speaker 4>I did that.
<v Speaker 3>For a while.
<v Speaker 4>I was a professional dom for about I want to say,
<v Speaker 4>two years, year and a half two years, but I
<v Speaker 4>got really burnt out. I was working a lot and
<v Speaker 4>where being dominant doesn't come naturally to me, I really
<v Speaker 4>had to put on a character.
<v Speaker 3>I played like that.
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't old enough to do the matronly vibe, so
<v Speaker 4>I did like the bratty, mean girl at school, and
<v Speaker 4>I was exhausted by it. I was exhausting by putting
<v Speaker 4>on this mask every day. I'm a heavily empathetic and
<v Speaker 4>kind person, so being mean to people doesn't come naturally
<v Speaker 4>to me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And with the level of.
<v Speaker 4>The level of professional that I wanted to be, I
<v Speaker 4>didn't want something to go wrong where I said the
<v Speaker 4>wrong thing and it triggered someone or I wasn't on
<v Speaker 4>the ball that day and I said, I don't know,
<v Speaker 4>bitch instead of cook or whatever, you know, and that's
<v Speaker 4>they're not okay with being called a bitch, and they're
<v Speaker 4>really upset with me now. And it's such a small, small,
<v Speaker 4>close knit industry, reputations everything, you know, as soon as
<v Speaker 4>you fuck up somewhere, you're that's going to get out.
<v Speaker 4>And so I decided to take a break before I
<v Speaker 4>got too tired or someone. I don't think I would
<v Speaker 4>ever snap or hurt anyone in that way, but verbally
<v Speaker 4>you have to be so careful about what you say.
<v Speaker 4>And I just got to the point where I didn't
<v Speaker 4>care as much anymore, and I wanted, yeah, to take
<v Speaker 4>breaks if I ever wanted to go back to that work.
<v Speaker 4>My reptation stayed the same, so I took break. I
<v Speaker 4>got into a vanilla line of work. I did technology recruitment,
<v Speaker 4>so I recruited like software engineers for very big tech
<v Speaker 4>companies in London.
<v Speaker 3>And it was fun. I liked it.
<v Speaker 4>I'm a very social person, so I enjoyed being in
<v Speaker 4>the office and I had a great team that I
<v Speaker 4>worked with. But it didn't excite me in any way, Like,
<v Speaker 4>it didn't light this fire in my soul that sex
<v Speaker 4>work does. And I got bored very quickly. I started
<v Speaker 4>fancizing about fucking all the guys in the office.
<v Speaker 2>You know, did you At the end?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I went on a bit of a rampage when
<v Speaker 4>I knew I was leaving. Yeah, And I told my
<v Speaker 4>boss what I was off to go do as well,
<v Speaker 4>which was so thrilling to sit down my boss and
<v Speaker 4>be like, so I'm going to go do an old
<v Speaker 4>film and he's like, and I'm like, yep, and I'm
<v Speaker 4>leaving bye. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>It was great, But.
<v Speaker 2>How did he take it?
<v Speaker 3>He was great.
<v Speaker 4>I love him, Harry, I love you. He was fantastic.
<v Speaker 4>He is a very young boss. He treated me like
<v Speaker 4>his younger sister, so he was more concerned for like
<v Speaker 4>my welfare and safety than he was the job itself.
<v Speaker 4>And I think he was so shocked he didn't quite
<v Speaker 4>like just the biggest grim was on his face, like
<v Speaker 4>what the fucking yeah. And then he went and told
<v Speaker 4>the company direc because he was like, I can't tell
<v Speaker 4>because I was like, I don't need to tell anyone
<v Speaker 4>until I've said it to them. I've told you because
<v Speaker 4>I need to give you like a month's notice. But
<v Speaker 4>I'm not telling anyone yet until it's like a week
<v Speaker 4>before I leave, because I don't want to be the
<v Speaker 4>horror of the office. Everyone's staring at me while I'm
<v Speaker 4>at my computer.
<v Speaker 3>Trying to make calls.
<v Speaker 4>But he went and to the company director because he
<v Speaker 4>was so like just adrenaline, don't know what to do.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, but I'm still I'm still friends with a
<v Speaker 4>lot of people in that company. Like when I go
<v Speaker 4>back home for Christmas, I go to the office Christmas parties,
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, which is really funny.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's great though, it's great.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, So then I quit and yeah, I moved
<v Speaker 4>here like a month after quitting my job. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 4>served my month's notice and then I moved out her.
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<v Speaker 2>use code Holly. So you quit your office job. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>found Spiegeler, stocked him for a little bit. Yeah, convinced him.
<v Speaker 3>Came out of his coma.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, got him out him his coma. Convinced him to
<v Speaker 2>bring you out here. So what was your first scene?
<v Speaker 4>So my first scene was for Team Ski with Charles Arrah.
<v Speaker 2>What great for his experience. We love Charles.
<v Speaker 3>I had the biggest crush on him.
<v Speaker 2>Oh really all the time.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I have a list. I've said this so many times.
<v Speaker 4>I've had a list. I have a list on my
<v Speaker 4>phone that I've had since I started watching porn, and
<v Speaker 4>it's like my favorite porn stars and pawn links. A
<v Speaker 4>lot of them now like don't even work anymore. And
<v Speaker 4>his name is like very high up on the list
<v Speaker 4>of like the first porn star that I started watching.
<v Speaker 4>Really and yeah, so working with him for my first scene,
<v Speaker 4>I was shitting at I was so nervous.
<v Speaker 3>And he was amazing.
<v Speaker 2>He's so nice.
<v Speaker 3>He was lovely fantastic.
<v Speaker 4>He's so funny and charismatic as well, like someone who's
<v Speaker 4>very easy.
<v Speaker 3>To talk to.
<v Speaker 2>He's also like genuinely really kind and very helpful. Yes too, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>He's like a really genuine person.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And it actually wasn't even meant to be with him,
<v Speaker 4>but they had to switch out the talent last minute,
<v Speaker 4>so I didn't find out I was working with him
<v Speaker 4>till the morning off, so I had no time to
<v Speaker 4>prepare my brain of like, oh my god, you're going
<v Speaker 4>to be working this person you really fancy.
<v Speaker 3>And I turned up. I was like, Hi, it's nice
<v Speaker 3>to me, but yeah, it was great.
<v Speaker 4>And he turned up and like I remember, he was
<v Speaker 4>wearing like boot cut jeans, this big silver chain cowboy boots,
<v Speaker 4>and I was like drawling as he walked and like,
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, I get to work with this person.
<v Speaker 3>I get paid.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, my scene was it was good. It was
<v Speaker 4>a good first scene. It was an easy first It
<v Speaker 4>was like classic like step stuff. Yeah. And then I
<v Speaker 4>went to work on like my first week here. I
<v Speaker 4>basically just worked for Team Ski. I did like a
<v Speaker 4>whole week working.
<v Speaker 3>Which was kind of good. Speaks through me.
<v Speaker 4>He asked me first, but kind of threw me in
<v Speaker 4>at the deep end a little bit, as in like
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't doing like one day and then like a
<v Speaker 4>four day break. It was like you want to work.
<v Speaker 4>This was gonna be like you know, and I appreciate that.
<v Speaker 4>And then my one of my first scenes back was
<v Speaker 4>for Vixen, which is like, it's a different production scale,
<v Speaker 4>you know, So going from like a cameraman talent and
<v Speaker 4>that's sometimes just a you know, maybe a photographer, maybe not,
<v Speaker 4>to a crew of twenty people was insane. It was insane.
<v Speaker 4>I was so nervous, but.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it was.
<v Speaker 4>That was like, if you asked me, one of the
<v Speaker 4>things that I didn't expect about the industry. I didn't
<v Speaker 4>think about the scales of production, you know, and how
<v Speaker 4>Syriah the production has taken. You know, I knew the
<v Speaker 4>talent take it seriously, but I didn't think about the
<v Speaker 4>behind the scenes of the amount of jobs that revolve
<v Speaker 4>in the industry that isn't purely talent based, and the
<v Speaker 4>scale of the amount of people and the sets that
<v Speaker 4>they make, and all the effort that goes into everything,
<v Speaker 4>you know, the crew that are on all of these sets,
<v Speaker 4>especially the big ones, Like I would even thought about that,
<v Speaker 4>And now it's one of my favorite things of the
<v Speaker 4>job is going on set and talking to the crew.
<v Speaker 4>It's one of my favorite things I look forward to.
<v Speaker 4>Like I have lots of individual friendships, I would say,
<v Speaker 4>with all the different crews that you work with, which
<v Speaker 4>is why I love working for so many different companies
<v Speaker 4>as well, because you develop so many weird, niche relationships
<v Speaker 4>with everyone and it's so funny. It really humanizes the
<v Speaker 4>job in a lovely way because you'll be like doing
<v Speaker 4>the physicality of the job one minute, and then you'll
<v Speaker 4>take a water break and you'll be asking the cameraman
<v Speaker 4>how like what his wife made him planche or whatever,
<v Speaker 4>you know, while you're both trying to have a snack quickly.
<v Speaker 3>Like.
<v Speaker 4>It really humanizes the job in a whole some way. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>which I wish was captured more by people.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, that's what's great about the adult industry,
<v Speaker 2>and what also makes it a little bit unique and
<v Speaker 2>different from the mainstream industry is that it's always the
<v Speaker 2>same people. So in the mainstream industry, a lot of times,
<v Speaker 2>you like as a say a director or a photographer,
<v Speaker 2>you get hired by different brands and then the producer
<v Speaker 2>of that brand puts the crew together, so you often
<v Speaker 2>don't work with the same people you get And obviously
<v Speaker 2>the mainstream industry is really big, right, but an adult
<v Speaker 2>generally like the because specific brands have like their specific
<v Speaker 2>directors or photographers and yeah, and they tend to have
<v Speaker 2>their people and they hire the same people all the time,
<v Speaker 2>so you have like these little family units y right
<v Speaker 2>for each brand, and so yeah, it's it's you work
<v Speaker 2>with like these different family and it's always the same people. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, it's really nice because you do like it's
<v Speaker 2>like you get to go to work with like your
<v Speaker 2>friends all the time. And it also makes the production
<v Speaker 2>really nice from like the producer standpoint, because you get
<v Speaker 2>to know, you get to anticipate what your director wants. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you know, you get to anticipate what you know the.
<v Speaker 3>Day is going to go.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, Like you know the needs of each other
<v Speaker 2>and you figure out like how to work together. And
<v Speaker 2>your working relationship is a lot more symbiotic.
<v Speaker 3>Where is it more of like a nine to five.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there's more of a flow and it's it's easier,
<v Speaker 2>whereas like on these a lot of these big mainstream sets,
<v Speaker 2>it's like these people never work together and there's like
<v Speaker 2>that weird getting.
<v Speaker 3>To show between each other.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's yeah. I always never like I could never
<v Speaker 2>imagine working like that every day, like every like somebody knew,
<v Speaker 2>Like that's what I love about working in porn.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure, I didn't know that about mainstream.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So what was so now you're living in LA? Yes,
<v Speaker 2>what is like the biggest difference between like the UK
<v Speaker 2>and LA like cultures so.
<v Speaker 4>Many I'm still still feel really out of place in LA.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know whether I ever will feel super comfortable here,
<v Speaker 4>but it's weird because now I don't feel super comfortable
<v Speaker 4>back home either, you know, in this weird leeway position
<v Speaker 4>where home.
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't quite feel like home.
<v Speaker 4>It's nostalgic but doesn't quite feel like home, and here
<v Speaker 4>doesn't feel homely either. I'd say the main difference is
<v Speaker 4>I mean when I first moved here, I don't drive,
<v Speaker 4>and didn't drive in England.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't need to.
<v Speaker 4>Where I'm from is a very small place. You can
<v Speaker 4>walk around everywhere, or if you want to go somewhere further,
<v Speaker 4>you jump on a train or a bus. You know,
<v Speaker 4>no one in my family drives a car. I didn't
<v Speaker 4>have a TV a lot of the time growing up,
<v Speaker 4>and then I moved out here and everything revolves around
<v Speaker 4>having a car. I find that really difficult. The accessibility
<v Speaker 4>here I used to If you think about your day
<v Speaker 4>to day life, right, I'm used to like, if I
<v Speaker 4>want to pop out the house back home, I'll go
<v Speaker 4>and do this, and then I'll walk here and i'll
<v Speaker 4>do that, errand and then I'll go here and I'll
<v Speaker 4>do this and da here.
<v Speaker 3>You have to plan your day around traffic.
<v Speaker 4>So if you're going to go grocery shopping and then
<v Speaker 4>you want to see your friend, sometimes you have to
<v Speaker 4>choose which one you know, and you won't always have
<v Speaker 4>time to do both. And that's something I really struggled with.
<v Speaker 4>And then also not having a car impacts that further.
<v Speaker 4>That was a really big effect for me. I used
<v Speaker 4>to very outdoors y life, so I'd spend a lot
<v Speaker 4>of time not in my house. I now spend most
<v Speaker 4>of my time in my apartment. If not, it's on set.
<v Speaker 4>And if I want to go for a hike here,
<v Speaker 4>I have to uber to an outdoors space to then
<v Speaker 4>go on a walk today and uber back home. I
<v Speaker 4>find that's so weird. It's so strange, you know. And
<v Speaker 4>I know that's particular to.
<v Speaker 2>La and we say like people, we say, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>La people are really flaky. But I think, honestly a
<v Speaker 2>lot of it is because everything takes so long to
<v Speaker 2>get to and traffic is such a problem. It really is,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I don't go out to a lot
<v Speaker 2>of events also because I'm just old and I have
<v Speaker 2>a kidden over it. But I mean like it'll take
<v Speaker 2>me an hour to get to Hollywood, yeah, and then
<v Speaker 2>an hour to get home. That's two hours out of
<v Speaker 2>my day just to go somewhere.
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, yeah, I don't want to go, and then
<v Speaker 4>you've got to add on another hour if it's traffic.
<v Speaker 4>You know, like it's just it's insane. That was really difficult,
<v Speaker 4>speaking of like flakiness. The communication style here is really different.
<v Speaker 4>I've found that people and I have Israeli family, mm hmm.
<v Speaker 4>So I'm used to very direct methods of communication. So
<v Speaker 4>like if I want to talk to someone, I'll go
<v Speaker 4>and have a conversation with them, or if I don't
<v Speaker 4>want to talk to someone, I won't hear.
<v Speaker 3>Everything seen as a networking opportunity.
<v Speaker 4>So everyone's talking to everyone not purposely because they actually
<v Speaker 4>want to talk to them, because there's a viewpoint which
<v Speaker 4>isn't necessarily a negative. It's just a different way of
<v Speaker 4>doing things. It's kind of what can I get out
<v Speaker 4>of this person? Again, not necessarily in a negative, but
<v Speaker 4>just in a business sense, or how can I talk
<v Speaker 4>to this person in a way that then I can
<v Speaker 4>use to do something else and talk to it. It's
<v Speaker 4>so weird and I it's networking. It's what it is,
<v Speaker 4>and I'm not used to that at all.
<v Speaker 2>Ways about climbing the social.
<v Speaker 4>Life, and that was really hard for me when I
<v Speaker 4>moved her and started to try and make friends. You know,
<v Speaker 4>I've never had someone say let's go get lunch and
<v Speaker 4>then never talk to me again. Like I was like, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>that's how people say goodbye now, like and I it's
<v Speaker 4>so different. It's so different, you know, but it's like
<v Speaker 4>sadly because business is put first here, which I understand.
<v Speaker 4>I moved here for a job, you know, I moved
<v Speaker 4>here for my career. I get that. It means that
<v Speaker 4>social relationships come secondary or they have to be a
<v Speaker 4>plus two business. And yeah, big learning curve being challenged,
<v Speaker 4>Like how I communicate with people I really had to relearn,
<v Speaker 4>and how I personalized friendships and work relationships I really
<v Speaker 4>had to change as well. That was really difficult. I
<v Speaker 4>think LA's a very lonely place. A lot of people
<v Speaker 4>who live in La aren't from La. I do wonder
<v Speaker 4>how people haven't or don't, you know, die from loneliness more.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do know, because it's crazy.
<v Speaker 4>I'm lucky enough that I've made a few good friendships
<v Speaker 4>that exist outside of the industry. I also think within
<v Speaker 4>our industry, we're already have so much stigma going against us.
<v Speaker 4>It's hard to branch out of the industry and make
<v Speaker 4>good relationships or friends ships.
<v Speaker 3>That don't make you a freak show.
<v Speaker 4>You know, people aren't like, people don't want to The
<v Speaker 4>conversational relationship doesn't rove around you being in the industry.
<v Speaker 4>It should revelve on you as a person and what
<v Speaker 4>you're like, not your job, and why that makes you
<v Speaker 4>interesting or cool, you know. And I think sex work
<v Speaker 4>is slightly having this social come up, especially since of
<v Speaker 4>has had the rise. That side of the sex industry
<v Speaker 4>has become more acceptable to the point where now people
<v Speaker 4>are finding it like it's like a trait, you know,
<v Speaker 4>It's like you're kind and you also do sex work
<v Speaker 4>like it's cool. And I found that quite difficult, you know.
<v Speaker 4>But then equally, I'm not someone that goes out a lot,
<v Speaker 4>so I'm not going to make friendships at a bar
<v Speaker 4>or like when am I gonna, like have an interesting
<v Speaker 4>conversation with someone at the grocery shop.
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm just not.
<v Speaker 4>But I think it's important to have friends outside of
<v Speaker 4>the industry as well. But yeah, I'm lucky enough that
<v Speaker 4>I've made like two good friends where they're adjacent. One
<v Speaker 4>of them's indianustry and the other one's adjacent to so
<v Speaker 4>she understands it. She strite scripts, but she's not necessarily
<v Speaker 4>in it anymore, which is nice. But yet it was hard.
<v Speaker 4>It's really hard moving. It's the hardest thing I've ever done. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>probably will ever do. I found it harder moving to
<v Speaker 4>LA than I did starting the industry.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, no, I get that. I I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I grew up here, so I think it's a little
<v Speaker 2>bit easier for me. But also, like really my closest
<v Speaker 2>friends and the people I spend the most amount of
<v Speaker 2>time with my family, Yeah, you know, like my closest
<v Speaker 2>friends are my husband, my sister in law, my sister,
<v Speaker 2>and my brother. You know, Like, I mean, I have
<v Speaker 2>friends that I spend time with, but like really like
<v Speaker 2>the people that I spend the most amount of time with,
<v Speaker 2>especially now that we all have kids that are the
<v Speaker 2>same age as my family. Yeah, no, I can't imagine
<v Speaker 2>not having that. I think will be really hard.
<v Speaker 3>It was different.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm still very close with my mum, so
<v Speaker 4>my mum comes out and visits me a lot.
<v Speaker 3>Same with my best friend from home.
<v Speaker 4>She comes out like every three months to come see me,
<v Speaker 4>which makes it easier as well. When I first moved here,
<v Speaker 4>that was kind of what I relied on, and I
<v Speaker 4>will say like living with Spiegeler was the best thing
<v Speaker 4>ever because I wasn't coming back home from these really
<v Speaker 4>lively sets and going back to nothing can quietness, Like
<v Speaker 4>there was a buzz in the house, even if it
<v Speaker 4>was just Speedgler watching TV, which I think. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure a lot of the girls struggle with when
<v Speaker 4>they move her for the work, you know, and maybe
<v Speaker 4>why a lot of them end up living in model
<v Speaker 4>houses because although you don't have your own space, at
<v Speaker 4>least there's a form of I don't know this company,
<v Speaker 4>this company back home. Yeah, but yeah, Speaks was my
<v Speaker 4>best friend and I'd say still probably is one of
<v Speaker 4>my best friends. Most of my spare time with him
<v Speaker 4>and he is my version of family.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, does he still have Spiekler things? Giving yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's great. It's really great, it's really cute.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So let's talk about your big wins. Yes, yes,
<v Speaker 2>so you just to calm the award for Avin's Best
<v Speaker 2>New Starlet and ex Buses's Best New Performer.
<v Speaker 3>The win, yes, double win.
<v Speaker 4>And I feel it's it still feels really surreal, like
<v Speaker 4>I feel like I'm lying when I talk about it,
<v Speaker 4>like it's not true. I wish I could be really
<v Speaker 4>cool and nonchalant and say like, yeah, like I won,
<v Speaker 4>it's cool, but awards.
<v Speaker 3>Don't mean much. I care.
<v Speaker 4>I care, and I really wanted it. I really wanted it,
<v Speaker 4>and I worked very hard last year for it. The
<v Speaker 4>A v N Show was something that I watched when
<v Speaker 4>I was back home. I'd watch it on YouTube and
<v Speaker 4>I always fantasized it being one of the girls on stage.
<v Speaker 4>So when I went to the show last year for
<v Speaker 4>the first time, even just going to the.
<v Speaker 3>Convention was insane.
<v Speaker 4>That was really it was a pinch me moment of
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, this is what I do for a living.
<v Speaker 3>What the fuck?
<v Speaker 4>And then going on stage this year was like a
<v Speaker 4>whole other level. I don't like people ask me like,
<v Speaker 4>how does it feel. I don't really even remember, I
<v Speaker 4>think because adrenaline kicks in so much. Yeah, completely black out,
<v Speaker 4>and I'm someone who I get so nervous. I can't
<v Speaker 4>do social speaking on stage at all. It's my idea
<v Speaker 4>of hell, like, you could put me up there and
<v Speaker 4>get me to a gang bang, I'd be so happy, But.
<v Speaker 3>Talking in front of an audience fuck that.
<v Speaker 2>So you're not alone in that.
<v Speaker 4>So I was like, I wouldn't say like I knew
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna win. I would say that for AVM.
<v Speaker 4>I was quietly confident in the fact that I know
<v Speaker 4>I had a good body of work that I did,
<v Speaker 4>and I did work really hard. But equally, I was
<v Speaker 4>up against a lot of girls that have very big names,
<v Speaker 4>one in social media, and two they'd done a lot
<v Speaker 4>more in their careers body wise than I had, Like
<v Speaker 4>I haven't even done anal and so I had that
<v Speaker 4>really going against me. Experts I didn't see coming at all.
<v Speaker 4>When they called my name, I had a moment of
<v Speaker 4>ha ha, I have to go on stage now. And
<v Speaker 4>that night I had a drink as well. Av and
<v Speaker 4>I didn't because I was like, I might have to
<v Speaker 4>go on stage and I'm not experts.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I can sit here and have a drink.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be fine.
<v Speaker 2>So why did you Why did you not expect Experts
<v Speaker 2>but thought maybe AVIN was in the cards.
<v Speaker 4>I think because experis again I was. I was up
<v Speaker 4>against girls who have a large social media following, and
<v Speaker 4>I feel like, I don't know, they've made more of
<v Speaker 4>a more of a drop in the ocean in the
<v Speaker 4>sex world more than I have. Whereas Avan, I know
<v Speaker 4>that I had done a lot of like features and
<v Speaker 4>stuff like that that I feel like maybe is valued
<v Speaker 4>more by the different awards. Again, I didn't think that
<v Speaker 4>I was going to get av and by any means,
<v Speaker 4>but I had more hope for that than I did Experts.
<v Speaker 4>It's still insane, it's still really weird to talk about.
<v Speaker 4>I think because I wanted it. I really wanted it,
<v Speaker 4>you know. I wish I could be cool about it,
<v Speaker 4>but I can't. I really really wanted it, you know.
<v Speaker 4>And it's nice that I did work really fucking hard
<v Speaker 4>and it paid off. And it's equally nice to say
<v Speaker 4>made this big jump across country and like started a
<v Speaker 4>whole new life for myself or I knew.
<v Speaker 2>No one and.
<v Speaker 4>It paid off and people saw that I worked hard like,
<v Speaker 4>that's a lovely feeling to be like that was appreciated.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, what do you think were some of
<v Speaker 2>the biggest contributing factors to your wind, Like, what were
<v Speaker 2>some of the projects that you did last year that
<v Speaker 2>you think were the strong pieces of work.
<v Speaker 3>God, I don't know what was out pre So I
<v Speaker 3>won Best Feature as well. I was in that.
<v Speaker 4>I didn't have a main part by any means, but
<v Speaker 4>I was putting some great scenes. I worked in one
<v Speaker 4>scene with Scott Nails and Kimmy Granger, which was amazing.
<v Speaker 4>No for gold Diggers gold Diggers right, yes, no, you're good,
<v Speaker 4>and that film was amazing, had so many great names,
<v Speaker 4>and I also had another sex scene and with Ricky
<v Speaker 4>Johnson and Abigail Mack, and those are such great names
<v Speaker 4>to work with. I think that really contributed because people
<v Speaker 4>they weren't watching the scenes for me, they were watching
<v Speaker 4>them for the names, but they had to see me
<v Speaker 4>in them, you know, And so I think that brought
<v Speaker 4>more eyes to me.
<v Speaker 2>And to get Abigail Mack to do a proceed, come
<v Speaker 2>back and do a proceed, She's amazing.
<v Speaker 3>She's incredible.
<v Speaker 4>So I think that that was probably one of the
<v Speaker 4>best things. I somehow got lucky enough to be in
<v Speaker 4>the Brass's twenty for twenty orgy. I still don't quite
<v Speaker 4>know how I got in that, but I will not
<v Speaker 4>question it and I'll take it. To be in that
<v Speaker 4>with such legends, like the athletes of the industry, you know,
<v Speaker 4>was insane.
<v Speaker 3>Again, it was a very.
<v Speaker 4>Like pinch me moment to not only like be working
<v Speaker 4>with one of them, but in a room with like
<v Speaker 4>the top performers at the moment of the industry was insane.
<v Speaker 4>And I think alongside that, I and this is hard
<v Speaker 4>for me to say because I don't like begging myself
<v Speaker 4>up with it, but I was able to hold my
<v Speaker 4>own in that room. I was able to last as
<v Speaker 4>long as these people that have been in the industry
<v Speaker 4>and take their jobs very seriously and are the best performers,
<v Speaker 4>keep up with the athleticism. And I think that comes
<v Speaker 4>across it's I was nervous going into that scene. I
<v Speaker 4>was like, everyone's gonna look in place and then there's
<v Speaker 4>going to be me, you know, and they're going to
<v Speaker 4>be like, what is that girl panting in the corner
<v Speaker 4>who can't take any more dick? And it was a
<v Speaker 4>long time we filmed for almost an hour and a
<v Speaker 4>half as long, and I didn't. At the end, I
<v Speaker 4>still had loads of energy in me. And that also
<v Speaker 4>shocked me because I was like, wow, Okay, it shocked me,
<v Speaker 4>It really did. Yeah, I didn't think I'd be able
<v Speaker 4>to hold my own in that room, and I was
<v Speaker 4>able to. But being in that scene again, like, that's
<v Speaker 4>such one The talent they put in that room was crazy,
<v Speaker 4>and two at such momentous moment for the brand itself.
<v Speaker 4>I think that really attributed to it too. I worked
<v Speaker 4>for loads and loads of different companies. I think that
<v Speaker 4>great speakers amazing at taking new girls around and introducing
<v Speaker 4>them to people. I think it's very different and I
<v Speaker 4>think it's a lot of It's something that maybe more
<v Speaker 4>agents should do. You can send an email with a
<v Speaker 4>photo of a girl's face about how many companies are
<v Speaker 4>getting that a week if you go take the girl
<v Speaker 4>in person, or you take them to sell, or you
<v Speaker 4>take them to office. It's like back in the day
<v Speaker 4>when they used to do is it the ship, Yeah, he's.
<v Speaker 3>Doing the same thing.
<v Speaker 2>Bring them over and we used to take plis of them.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah he's doing the same thing.
<v Speaker 4>But without saying I'm bringing a girl to meet you
<v Speaker 4>will booker, you know, and for someone like me, I
<v Speaker 4>come across way better on person than I do online.
<v Speaker 4>It's just it's who I am. I slightly I don't
<v Speaker 4>want to say excel, but I I'm very good socially
<v Speaker 4>and I'm very good conversationally. So if you put me
<v Speaker 4>in a room with someone, I will leave a better
<v Speaker 4>impact on them than if you just send a photo
<v Speaker 4>of me.
<v Speaker 2>And I think.
<v Speaker 3>It works really well for me exactly.
<v Speaker 4>It makes me slightly more memorable, so speaking, it's very clever.
<v Speaker 4>He took me to a lot.
<v Speaker 3>Of different sets, and I think I got way more work.
<v Speaker 4>Hands down than I would have done if you just
<v Speaker 4>sent out photos.
<v Speaker 2>What is the one thing from England that you missed the.
<v Speaker 3>Most, apart from like friends and family? How cheap things are?
<v Speaker 4>I would say things here are ridiculously priced.
<v Speaker 3>And this is gonna probably everyone's going to disagree. But
<v Speaker 3>the food. Everyone hates English food and I love it.
<v Speaker 3>I love English food.
<v Speaker 2>I don't hate it really.
<v Speaker 3>Every time I say this, everyone's like baked beans.
<v Speaker 2>I love very amazing. Yeah, an English you can't beat
<v Speaker 2>an English you can't.
<v Speaker 4>But so you grew up with this food, yes, but I.
<v Speaker 2>I love like baby beans is like my favorite, and.
<v Speaker 3>It's comfort food.
<v Speaker 4>I feel like Blish food is very comforting to me.
<v Speaker 4>I think like it's very stodgy comforting meals.
<v Speaker 2>I love like a good roast chicken, like roast potatoes
<v Speaker 2>and gravy.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, jack of potato with beans and cheese. It's my favorite.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I really love it's digestive.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, oh my god. And I and to hear this
<v Speaker 4>is embarrassing. I special order English baked beans from Amazon
<v Speaker 4>now because I missed that, and they're so expensive.
<v Speaker 2>Do you go in the English shop? But you know
<v Speaker 2>there's one in it's so and there's one. There's another
<v Speaker 2>one that my mom goes to.
<v Speaker 4>It's I know what one you're talking about. It starts
<v Speaker 4>with the tea.
<v Speaker 2>It's in the valley somewhere.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, Speaker's taking me to it. But it's so expensive. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>you know, and I don't know i'd say that. And
<v Speaker 4>then also where I'm from, I missed just walking around.
<v Speaker 4>I miss the fresh air and being able to just
<v Speaker 4>jump on a train and miss public transport.
<v Speaker 3>Here.
<v Speaker 4>It exists, but you can't really use it. You know,
<v Speaker 4>it's impossible that that's what I would say, I reckon.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, you know, speaking of Babians, I made Ryan
<v Speaker 4>Reed baked beans and she lost her mind. It was
<v Speaker 4>the best thing, and she was chatting so much shit
<v Speaker 4>about it before and then I got it in her
<v Speaker 4>mouth and she was like, oh my.
<v Speaker 2>God, it's like sugar.
<v Speaker 4>And I think because people think it's American beans with
<v Speaker 4>the BBC SMARTA based.
<v Speaker 3>Beans, it's got to try it. It's great, amazing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like fried tomatoes, like eggs and baked.
<v Speaker 3>Bean and sausage. He doesn't love a good sausage.
<v Speaker 2>Oh godod English breakfast.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah maybe hung.
<v Speaker 2>So you said you're close to your mom. So is
<v Speaker 2>your family supportive of your career.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, really supportive. I'm open and honest with pretty much
<v Speaker 4>all of my family that I'm close with. I was
<v Speaker 4>very vocal about wanting to be in the sex industry
<v Speaker 4>from quite a young age, so it wasn't shocking to
<v Speaker 4>my mom. It wasn't like, I, I don't know, I
<v Speaker 4>wanted to be a math teacher and then suddenly I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>I want to do adult film. But yeah, she's very supportive.
<v Speaker 4>My mum is a well, she's now a course leader
<v Speaker 4>at a university. But she was a she's a college professor,
<v Speaker 4>and when I first expressed an interest in sex work,
<v Speaker 4>she would take me to like New Way Feminism lectures.
<v Speaker 2>I loved her.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so she take me to burlesque shows as well,
<v Speaker 4>because I wanted I said, from like the age of fourteen,
<v Speaker 4>I was like, I want to be a stripper. And
<v Speaker 4>I told my teachers, can you imagine my poor mom?
<v Speaker 4>I want to be a stripper? Yeah, when people ask
<v Speaker 4>what I wanted to do, And now I'm realizing I
<v Speaker 4>really like the performance, the aspect of it. Like, I
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't last an hour and a strip card.
<v Speaker 3>I'm really bad. I can't hustle for anything.
<v Speaker 2>Where do you think you got the idea of wanting
<v Speaker 2>to be like show Girls? The movie?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's my favorite movie of all time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know Elizabeth Birthley went to my high school.
<v Speaker 3>Really wow? Wow, what characters? Yeah that's funny.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, so I watched that and I was like,
<v Speaker 4>I love women. I love women, and I love women
<v Speaker 4>that ignore societies shame and stakemmer against them expressing their
<v Speaker 4>sexuality however the fuck they want to. I love women
<v Speaker 4>who just embrace it and they're like, yeah, me and
<v Speaker 4>I want to be objectified. Maybe I want to be sexy. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>what the fuck are you going to do about it?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>And as my women, I get to choose. You know,
<v Speaker 4>it's my body and I get to make that decision
<v Speaker 4>for myself. And I was enamored by these women who
<v Speaker 4>glamorized themselves in such a sexual way and performed their
<v Speaker 4>sexuality to an audience. And that's where I was like,
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, I want to be a stripper. So yeah,
<v Speaker 4>my mum took me to burlesh shows. She showed me
<v Speaker 4>to amazing lectures or with our performances about sexuality as
<v Speaker 4>a woman, and she really embraced it instead of shaming me.
<v Speaker 4>But I probably would have ended up doing the same
<v Speaker 4>thing I'm doing now, but maybe in a less safe way,
<v Speaker 4>or I would have done it secretly. She was able
<v Speaker 4>to keep me safe in the way of I'd tell
<v Speaker 4>her what I was doing. I'd tell her I was
<v Speaker 4>going when I was doing dom session. She had the location.
<v Speaker 3>You know. The same with.
<v Speaker 4>The rest of my family are very supportive. I don't
<v Speaker 4>think they fully grasp Like my grandpa, blesshim, he's ninety four.
<v Speaker 4>I don't think he fully grasps what I do. He
<v Speaker 4>knows that I think. He thinks I do glamour photography,
<v Speaker 4>which is fine. I have explained to them. My grandma
<v Speaker 4>understands what I do, and yeah, she's very supportive. When
<v Speaker 4>I was little, I used to sit my family down
<v Speaker 4>in the living room and like, make everyone watch me dance.
<v Speaker 4>You know, they knew that I was a performer from
<v Speaker 4>a young age.
<v Speaker 3>I loved it. I loved being watched.
<v Speaker 4>And that's turned when I've been an adult into realizing
<v Speaker 4>that I'm an exhibitionist, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And it's great that I'm able to monetize something I
<v Speaker 3>love doing. You know.
<v Speaker 2>So what would you say to people who argue that
<v Speaker 2>porn objectifies women?
<v Speaker 4>I would say, yeah, but what if it does? And
<v Speaker 4>what if I like it? What's the issue there? I
<v Speaker 4>should be able to make my own decisions. What if
<v Speaker 4>I like being objectified?
<v Speaker 2>What if I said it degrades you?
<v Speaker 4>But what if I like being degraded? You know, that's
<v Speaker 4>my decision to make, and it's not yours. And no
<v Speaker 4>one ever has a problem with a man who wants
<v Speaker 4>to do it, you know, they really don't. They have
<v Speaker 4>a problem that not only as am I owning and
<v Speaker 4>expressing my sexuality. I'm monetizing it. And that's where the
<v Speaker 4>problem even comes more into play, because I'm not a victim.
<v Speaker 4>I'm not someone who needs to be saved. I'm not
<v Speaker 4>someone who needs to be white knighted by a savior
<v Speaker 4>and scooped up and taken and looked after. I enjoy
<v Speaker 4>what I'm doing and I've found a way to make
<v Speaker 4>money from it. And first was the oldest profession in
<v Speaker 4>the world, sex work, And I think society is slightly
<v Speaker 4>disgusted when you're proud of it.
<v Speaker 3>They really are, you know. And I'm not someone who.
<v Speaker 4>You know, sex work for survival is real, and that's
<v Speaker 4>a whole another aspect of sex work, but that's not
<v Speaker 4>what I'm doing. I'm doing it because I've chosen to
<v Speaker 4>do it, and I really love it. Yeah, And I
<v Speaker 4>think people can't. They can't grasp the idea of someone
<v Speaker 4>one that can separate sex from emotion.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 4>I get on with my coworkers, but I'm not looking
<v Speaker 4>to date them, you know, and sex for people, especially
<v Speaker 4>being in a world that has such i want to
<v Speaker 4>say Christian morals, they really can't grasp the idea that
<v Speaker 4>I don't find it dirty and disgusting, and if I do,
<v Speaker 4>I kind of like the fact that you find me gross,
<v Speaker 4>you know, like, and they can't deal with it, And
<v Speaker 4>that's okay. You don't need to be able to deal
<v Speaker 4>with it, you know, you don't need.
<v Speaker 3>To like what I do for work. I don't care,
<v Speaker 3>you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love it. Oh my gosh, you said that
<v Speaker 2>you want to do your first anal scene.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so me and my butthole are currently becoming friends.
<v Speaker 4>We're learning to love each other in new found ways. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>it's like it's like dating me and my buttthole for
<v Speaker 4>the first time.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like whining and dining.
<v Speaker 4>My butthole is learning, yeah, learning what she likes, what
<v Speaker 4>she doesn't like.
<v Speaker 3>Not rushing her.
<v Speaker 4>By any means because then she gets angry, and we
<v Speaker 4>don't want angry bells.
<v Speaker 3>I'm absolutely not.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I want to do my first anal this year.
<v Speaker 4>I am training currently. I feel like I'm training for
<v Speaker 4>the Olympics.
<v Speaker 3>I really I don't want to do.
<v Speaker 4>My first anal until I'm really enjoying anal by myself.
<v Speaker 4>So at the moment, me and lots of toys are
<v Speaker 4>having lots of fun because I want it to come
<v Speaker 4>across in not that I want to get overly comfortable,
<v Speaker 4>because I think part of watching a first anal is
<v Speaker 4>someone's I don't want to say shock, but it's experiencing
<v Speaker 4>their first anal. You know, that's part of the pleasure
<v Speaker 4>watching it. And I get that. I like watching New
<v Speaker 4>Girls first anals. I completely understand that aspect of it.
<v Speaker 4>But equally, I don't want to not enjoy it on camera.
<v Speaker 4>That's a whole different thing. So I want you to
<v Speaker 4>see that I'm enjoying the new nurse and the new
<v Speaker 4>found pleasure. So yeah, I'm currently training. I haven't got
<v Speaker 4>like a set date of when I'm filming it, but
<v Speaker 4>it will be out by the end of this year.
<v Speaker 3>I can promise that. So, yeah, it's it's a whole
<v Speaker 3>new world. I don't do.
<v Speaker 4>Anal in my personal life. I've done anal like twice
<v Speaker 4>when I was drunk before, So I basically I count
<v Speaker 4>myself as an anal vergion.
<v Speaker 3>It's not technically true, but I do. Yeah, So.
<v Speaker 4>It's it's a whole new world. It's a whole new world,
<v Speaker 4>and it really is. These girls that do it are
<v Speaker 4>like Olympians. Yeah, it's it's Olympics.
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty remarkable what some people can do with her.
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>Do you have an idea of like how you want
<v Speaker 2>to do it? Like, because usually you know someone's first
<v Speaker 2>anal is a big deal. You can get more money
<v Speaker 2>for it. Maybe you case around it, you like, you
<v Speaker 2>know brands, maybe compete to get your first ay input
<v Speaker 2>in terms of like, yeah, you want the theme to
<v Speaker 2>be that kind of thing.
<v Speaker 4>Theme wise, I'm like slowly storyboarding it out. My focus
<v Speaker 4>at the moment to be able to get more than
<v Speaker 4>my finger in my butthole.
<v Speaker 3>That's my focus.
<v Speaker 4>And then as as I get more comfortable and I'm
<v Speaker 4>sure I'll think of something. Yeah, it's a career move
<v Speaker 4>for sure. Like I have a totem pole or bucket
<v Speaker 4>list of porn things I want to do, and that's
<v Speaker 4>the next the next jump for me.
<v Speaker 2>What are your other I want to do a bang?
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I want to do an air tight. I want
<v Speaker 3>to do a DP. I'm sure I have more of that.
<v Speaker 4>I want to blow bang, like all the classic porn
<v Speaker 4>bucket list things. I want to tick them off and
<v Speaker 4>say I did this, I did this, I did this,
<v Speaker 4>I did this.
<v Speaker 2>Do you have like an order in which you want
<v Speaker 2>to do them.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I think.
<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like a blowbang should come before a game,
<v Speaker 2>oh for sure.
<v Speaker 3>For sure. Yeah, I feel like bang should be the.
<v Speaker 2>End of slightly Well, does the DP come during the
<v Speaker 2>gang ming.
<v Speaker 4>Unless you did a showcase where you did DP and
<v Speaker 4>then you also did a DP in the gang bang
<v Speaker 4>that came.
<v Speaker 2>Out, and then that would come out after because it
<v Speaker 2>would be the game being and the DP together.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, and the air tite or whatever would also go
<v Speaker 4>in that. Yeah, right, Yeah, I have ideas. I have
<v Speaker 4>ideas what I want to do. I'm not promsing next
<v Speaker 4>yeary that it's not going to happen, but at some point,
<v Speaker 4>at some point, I have like a whole whole list
<v Speaker 4>I want to go through. I'm doing as well. It's
<v Speaker 4>like sexual experiences that I want to experience, so I'm
<v Speaker 4>being slightly selfish about them. It's the same reason like
<v Speaker 4>I'm waiting to be really comfortable with anal. I want
<v Speaker 4>to do it because I want to do it because
<v Speaker 4>I enjoy it. The reason I want to do a
<v Speaker 4>gang bang where else can you have like eight to
<v Speaker 4>fifteen guys organized fuck you in a safe way that
<v Speaker 4>consent is involved and everyone understands boundaries. That's on a set,
<v Speaker 4>they're all tested. It's not it's not going to happen.
<v Speaker 4>It's just not going to happen. It's one of my
<v Speaker 4>reasons for joining the industry. I'm able to explore myself
<v Speaker 4>and my sexuality in a way that's safe with like
<v Speaker 4>minded people.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. And the logistics of organizing a gangbang or mark.
<v Speaker 4>Can you imagine the community the WhatsApp chats be a nightmare,
<v Speaker 4>be a nightmare?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so but at some point, yeah, I want to
<v Speaker 4>do a gang bang for sure. I used to love
<v Speaker 4>watching Kink Kink's bound gang bang, so.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had some good ones. So do you ever
<v Speaker 2>get recognized when you're out in public or is it
<v Speaker 2>still like.
<v Speaker 3>A few times? I think a few times near near
<v Speaker 3>where I live, which isn't very exciting. I don't like that.
<v Speaker 4>But I think because I don't really go to a
<v Speaker 4>lot of popular places, I'm around the same places, so
<v Speaker 4>if you see me, you might be like, oh, and
<v Speaker 4>then you'll see me again and the recognition starts. It's
<v Speaker 4>not like it's not like, for example, if you saw
<v Speaker 4>like a baladanger walking down street anywhere, you're gonna be
<v Speaker 4>like that's a bala danger. But if you saw me
<v Speaker 4>maybe ten times, then maybe it would click because I'm
<v Speaker 4>around the same area all the time. Yeah, and then
<v Speaker 4>you can slowly start to playing like oh way, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>yeah I saw her on that website where they have sex. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>but not so much a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>Is that like exciting when you get recognized or is it?
<v Speaker 3>I like it?
<v Speaker 2>So you're still at that stage where you're like I'm
<v Speaker 2>at that stage where I'm like, come up and yeah,
<v Speaker 2>come up.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't, you know, have sex on camera because
<v Speaker 4>I want to be discrete.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I didn't.
<v Speaker 2>Because it's so funny too. I only ever in this
<v Speaker 2>almost I almost never get recognized in public. And if
<v Speaker 2>I do, and if I either get like an email
<v Speaker 2>later that they say that they saw me or like
<v Speaker 2>an Instagram message or they come up to me like
<v Speaker 2>when ones around, I'm like, well then that doesn't make
<v Speaker 2>me look cool? Yeah, Like I got some guy recognized
<v Speaker 2>me at the airport and he like came up while
<v Speaker 2>my husband was in the bathroom, and I'm like, why
<v Speaker 2>did you wait till you tell them how cool I am?
<v Speaker 3>I know, and show him that I get recognized.
<v Speaker 2>Like now, he's gonna come out. He's not gonna believe me.
<v Speaker 4>I always get recognized by the TSA agents when I'm
<v Speaker 4>going in out of Vegas. Oh really yeah yeah, they
<v Speaker 4>like I feel like they know all the girls.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, yes, that's so true. Yeah all the time. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And one agent wasn't subtle about it. She like shouted,
<v Speaker 3>how is your air brother? Great? Probably still dried?
<v Speaker 4>Come on my face like great, So I slept through
<v Speaker 4>the airport at nine pm.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so funny.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, no, I really like it.
<v Speaker 4>I think the only only way I wouldn't like someone
<v Speaker 4>coming up to me was if I was like by
<v Speaker 4>myself at night in like an alley, I'd be.
<v Speaker 2>Like, no, then you could have don't want a guy
<v Speaker 2>coming up to you godless, regardless of whether you know
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, like yeah I'm lost, you've directions? No, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>either way, Oh my god. Well thank you so much, guys,
<v Speaker 2>thank you. I know well, I do have a bunch
<v Speaker 2>of questions for you for my Patreon members, so we're
<v Speaker 2>going to do that and as separate segments. So in
<v Speaker 2>the meantime, can you let everybody know where they can
<v Speaker 2>find you online?
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I'm the gal ritchie on Twitter and Instagram and
<v Speaker 4>at last and yeah, you can find my my pussy
<v Speaker 4>probably anyway, really if you go good my.
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