Naked and Betrayed: RHOC Recap with Alexis Bellino

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. Hey, rain Jobson Dave's episode of Reality with the King.

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Speaker 2: This episode of the Real Housewives of Orange County gave me all the fields, good, bad, and different. I'm confused, I'm lost.

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Speaker 1: I'm dazed, but I'm not naked, and I'm here with my girl, Alexis Ballino.

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Speaker 2: Hello, how are you gorgeous? I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I think this is the first time I've ever podcasted with you when you didn't have glasses on.

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Speaker 4: Jackson, you know.

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Speaker 2: You know what's my buddy.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that you and the ray jobs who are watching this on YouTube get to see my eyes because.

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Speaker 2: These are the I don't have a live detective.

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Speaker 1: Test, hey, Emily, but what I do have are my eyes to tell you my truth serum perfect.

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Speaker 4: Okay, now I know what.

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Speaker 1: Oh so let's just get right into this crazy ass episode. I mean, Alexis. We have to talk about the scene that pretty much popened up the episode, which is the eighth housewife who finally made her debut on the Real house Watch Sports County after being mentioned in every single episode since episode one. Gretchen and Gina sent her down and immediately they.

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Speaker 2: Talked to her about what Katie has alleged since the start of the season, which is the fact that.

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Speaker 1: Katie allegedly told Keiki Monique thinks about Gretchen things that we found out on this episode about Gina that we have to get into. But first that Gretchen did tell Keiki Monique that after naked Wasted seventeen eighteen years ago, that she went to the hospital and Kikimo Nique said, that's exactly what she was told. Are you surprised that Katie has been found out to be a liar once again and again and again and again.

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Speaker 3: Well no, because I mean, obviously I didn't realize the extent of her life until I was light about myself and she's still carrying that story on.

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Speaker 1: But does she Alexis is, so after you debunked it on this show, has she made a statement.

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Speaker 4: On this on this episode?

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Speaker 5: She did.

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Speaker 3: She took the light of test on this episode about it and said, you know, the person the examiner asked, did you share your memo with Alexis?

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Speaker 4: And maybe she said no because she didn't send it to me.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's how she got out, or no, she did lie about it. It was found to be a lie. Actually, But I mean, I'm wondering Katie's mind if she thinks it's because she didn't send it to me, but she did share it with me at the restaurant, So I don't know either way we.

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Speaker 4: Got anyway we talk about it. It's like Katie keeps.

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Speaker 3: Getting caught, and I just wonder if she, after she watches all these episodes, if she just finally goes, Okay, I need to do something about this, you know, episode eight now, and she's still sticking to it and still you know, I do think that the one lie that I don't think is a lie is I do think Gretchen told her at dinner that night. I do think Gretchen had a story and told Slade and with Ryan Jen and Slade and.

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Speaker 4: Slade and Matt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that Katie. That did tell Katie that she was really sick and.

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Speaker 4: Thought she got roofed. I do think that happened. What do you think?

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Speaker 1: So you okay, so rain jobs. You know how we recap episodes. We're not going to go see by thing because who gives a ship. Let's just have an overall conversation.

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Speaker 2: About this episode.

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Speaker 1: Right last week, you and I converse and I said, look, I love Gretchen my gut and base from what I'm watching, I do believe Gretchen told Katie this information.

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Speaker 2: I said that last week.

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Speaker 1: I even said two weeks before that, remember Alexis when ca Aady rushed in the room giving you oscar worthy performance, right that, I believe that Slade called Matt and Si let's get our story together. And that's why Katie pretended when she walked into the hotel room, welcome by Jen and Gretchen. Oh my gosh, So what happened as if she was here for the first time, only to find out that yet they had a conversation on camera. So I saw that to say, as I'm watching the beginning of the episode, I'm like, okay, Kekim on Nika saying Katie did tell me this, and I'm like, I still believe Gretchen told Katie this, But then the line Detective Tess happened, and if interestings, I'm gonna be very honest, and I love all the girls, but I gotta be honest everybody who's calling a lie.

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Speaker 2: I was not surprised. So with that being said, when Gretchen passed the like.

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Speaker 1: Colors, I'm like, now I'm really confused, because I believe everyone who got caught to lie fled a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that Gretchen path of blind colors, I'm like, alexis, what do you do?

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Speaker 4: What do?

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Speaker 2: What do we make of this? I'm confused here.

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Speaker 4: There's two things to this. First, First of all, I'm a Dateline kind of sewer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, like I don't want it now because I don't have time, but especially over COVID, Oh honey, I went through every single one of those, probably four times each.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, there is a known.

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Speaker 3: Fact on Dateline, and I'm not a detective, but they do say that a sociopath is the only person that can pass with flying colors of any of any light detector test. Okay, because even the most honest person still flubs up and their heart races the little or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Only those of your paths. So take that information with what you want, and thank you Dateline for you know, informing us and educating.

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Speaker 3: The second part is the lie detector. People ask the wrong question. They should have asked, Gretchen, did you lie follow me?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Did you lie in the back of the car about going to the hospital when you.

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Speaker 4: Were with Shannon and Tamra.

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Speaker 3: That's what they should have asked her, because then she would have caught caught lying because she lied in the back of the car. But she would have said no or something that she would have been caught in a lie, or she could have said even if she said yes, did she still get caught gets caught as the liar because you lied in the back of the car. So in the other part, why didn't Gretchen or why didn't Tamra or Shannon call Gretchen out at that moment, because here's the deal, they were sitting there when Gretchen said, in the back of the car, I did go.

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Speaker 4: I felt really I was really sick.

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they have just said, right in front of everybody, with the light detector woman there too. Well, we heard you say it in the back of the car, so you were lying then, you know, so the other way.

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Speaker 2: I'm just confused by that.

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Speaker 1: So I want to say this, I agree with you. I thought the same thing. And then I thought one thing. I know producing these shows, reality shows and alexas, I would love to get your POV.

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Speaker 2: Because you're very honest. You've always been honest.

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Speaker 1: I thought, at that moment, if they remembered that conversation the back of the car, because obviously you shoot so many scenes that I did. I did wanted to, like, I wonder if they remember, because my thing is this, let's let's call it spade a fade. Shannon and camera are not there to protect wretching. So I believe my gut is telling me that the reason why they didn't bring it up is because at that time, with everything going on, they probably didn't remember. Because let's be clear, and this is me talking as a producer, they had to flash back to it to remind us because listen, maybe it's just me, but elected maybe you remember. I forgot she said that in the backseat of the car. Until they flashed back to it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't because it was I remembered that she was lying about She kept lying about it by saying I didn't say I did, I didn't do any but then it was so it was such an impactful moment. But also maybe Tam and Shannon didn't remember that happening either until you know, then they filmed that scene with the light detector test, and then all of this is aired and then they're like, oh, she did lie to us, because especially after you've had a cocktailer two and you're filming and you're exhausted in the back of the car when y all are headed home, you don't remember every single little thing. And it probably wasn't like some some you know, major thing that Shannon and tamor were like, ooh, that's a good moment we got we caught her because they didn't really know how the whole season was going to unfold. So maybe you're right about that when you put on the producer's hat, maybe you're right about that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Because what I want the audience to understand is this, when you watch their confessionals, those are taped weeks and months after it airs, and oftentimes rain drops when you watch the confessionals is because the producers already edited the episode and they're asking questions based on the scenes that made it. These housewives and reality stars film a ton of scenes and sometimes you don't see them, so so when the producer decide all this scene would make it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, we actually found a moment where she did say it.

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Speaker 1: Then they asked the housewife, for example, Tam or Sanat, don't you remember when Gretchen said this to you?

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, oh my god, she did, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: So I do believe that's what happened based on my knowledge being a producer. But you are right in the sense of look the lie detective test. Folks did not ask the right question because I never thought about it that way, which is why I was confused, because on one hand, I'm like, I believe Gretchen told Katie this, but it leads me to this. I love me some Jen. I think Jen is a good girl. I think she's great, I think she's funny. Is Jen capable of choosing Gretchen's side over Katie because she wants to be friends with Gretchen and does she think aligning with Gretchen protects her position on the show?

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Speaker 2: What did you make of it?

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Speaker 1: Because if we're saying that Gretchen did say it, why is Jen also lying for Gretchen when she met Katie before Gretchen.

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Speaker 4: That's a really good question.

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what this show does do to most of the women that film these shows is you do get kind of caught up in it and forming the proper alliance and am I making the right decision? And the conversations you have off camera with some of these women can sway you and can have you jump ship or go to it in a different direction, or even just you know, maybe Jen's actually believing some more of.

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Speaker 4: What I mean. Here's the deal.

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Speaker 3: We all know, get Gretchen and Katie are both liars. We know it, even though forget the light detector test, it's clear as day when you watch the footage they're both liars. So I think Jen might be like, Okay, you know, I love them both, because you do still love them even when you're you know, filming with them, and it's like, you don't wish ill on any of these women.

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Speaker 4: We're trying to do a job.

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Speaker 3: But I think that Jin is probably getting a lot of you know, noise from Gretchen and behind the scenes and probably has now noticed some of the lies Katie said to be pretty evident and true. So maybe she's just kind of confused and like, I don't really know what I'm doing. But Gretchen's kind of new now and doesn't have as much of a track record as lying as Katie has. Katie's lied now for two straight seasons, so maybe that's where Jin's thinking.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. But my thing is, when I have a friend, I'm so loyal that.

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Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't even be able to I wouldn't be able to sit there and cover for someone even if they're lying. I don't care how loyal I am are. It's like the truth comes over loyalty, Yeah, because it always gets found out in the long run. And just wait, Carlos, I told you this was going to be good, and I told you I didn't think at the end of Kiki Monique was three episodes ago. I'm like, this Kiki Moniq thing's going to go somewhere, and now she probably did sign to be the eighth housewife.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. I would love it for Kikibo Be. I like Kikibo Bee.

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Speaker 1: You did call it from day one, and you even called the last week.

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Speaker 2: But I'm like, this long detective test shit is so cliche. But you said it would be entertaining and looking forward to it, and I must admit it was entertaining.

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Speaker 1: So getting back to kikim Monique, she also pointed at Gina and said, Katie also told me you made a comment about Asian designers, and from what she told me, it made.

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Speaker 2: It seem like you're being racist.

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Speaker 1: In that moment, I was like, that is so specific that there's no way in hell ki kim Monique made that up.

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Speaker 2: If you want to question the validity of the naked waisted because we as viewers saw that shit seventeen years ago. Hey, I can understand it, right.

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Speaker 1: That is so specific, to the point that once again rain Drops listened up to a producer. That's why the editors had to flash not even flashback could have never seen it. Had to scrub the footage and find the moment of Gina making that comment. I have to watch that moment a couple of times because I wanted to make sure that I was reacting to it, not just in the moment, but having it sit with me based on what Gina asked, I as a black person, right, And when I say that, I'm not Katie, So I'm not saying that my me being a black person personal color over ri saw Katie fell.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I, as a black person a personal color, heard what Gina said. I didn't take that as Gina being racist. I took that as Gina stating that, look, you told me you were wearing Asian designers Bowse on Beverley Hills Housewives said, And I think she succeeded in this based on my knowledge that she was going to wear African American African American designers throughout the entire.

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Speaker 2: Season of Beverly Hills. So I know that that's a.

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Speaker 1: Thing based on that. I don't think Gina said that to be racist. I think I think Gina said that because she was asking about it.

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Speaker 2: And then when Katie was called.

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Speaker 1: Doing the live protective test aftermath, not the questions, but the aftermath, she said, well, it hurt my feelings. And guess what, I can understand that, but say that, and why is that something? Why is that something you tell radio hosts and not something you would say to Gina like hey, I didn't like that, or tell a producer this is how I felt.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. That's why Katie's losing me.

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Speaker 1: But what did you think about that whole thing too, with what Katie said kicking money?

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Speaker 3: Well, well, first of all, yeah, it's like it's like, here's the thing, why is why is Katie saying so much juicy stuff? It's like, is she does she think that these bloggers are going to be her best friends or any of these journalists are going to become her best friends because she's got gossip. It really backfired on her. I think that's what she intended and was hoping for, but it backfired on her. And I think she got caught up in the whole you know, media of everything and a little bit of the fame and all of that.

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Speaker 4: I think she got caught up in that. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: If you say I'm wearing an American designer, I'm wearing an African designer, I'm wearing an Asian designer.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe that's racist at all.

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Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, I would be proud that I'm wearing an African designer, I would be proud about, you know what it is and and mention it. It's not racist to say that in my opinion, so I agree with you on that. But I think Katie is looking for anything right now to get some sympathy from the girls or just to you know, just to kind of relate to the girls some and be like, look, you guys can hurt.

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Speaker 4: My feelings too. You know. I know I've hurt your OL's feelings and you don't let you.

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Speaker 3: Don't trust me with the bloggers and all this, but that did hurt my feelings, and I think that backfired on her because I think I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I haven't read any of the comments on social media or anything now, but I wonder what is being said out there, like is everyone agreeing with us on that or do they feel like girl listen?

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Speaker 1: And I don't care too either, because at the end of the day, Katie can do no wrong in the eyes of people social media, and that's why I don't give a shit about what they say.

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Speaker 2: Listen. I don't know. I didn't look at it, but I don't give a shit anyway.

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of people, which is it's fine, have your favorites.

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Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. There's a strong group of people on.

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Speaker 1: Twitter who love Katie and believe Katie until the end of time.

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Speaker 2: And that's okay. I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: That's why I had to say how I felt in the moment and why I watched that moment a couple of times. I wanted to hear Gina again. I wanted to understand it. I did not get that from it. But what I will say once again, I do believe that perhaps Katie in the moment may have had her feelings hurt, felt that way whatever. Okay, However, I'm saying I didn't see it that way as a person who watched the show too. And on top of that, one thing I will say is this, I have a hit podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Alexa for joining it.

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Speaker 1: But I say that to say I even get people dming me stop. They don't say to me, so hear me out Alexi's gagag. I had Theology stars send me stuff.

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Speaker 2: Do they say, oh, you.

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Speaker 4: Can't stop there. You got to give us give us some feedback here?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, I'm not gonna say no. But you know I'm saying, I'm saying it happens.

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Speaker 3: So for example, like what my mind going everywhere? I have no idea what Just give me a generic one of the.

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Speaker 4: Generics and don't tell who it is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I had somebody, Okay.

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Speaker 1: The last one I receee was from a reality star who sent me a post that was in her favor based on someone talking badly about her arch nemesis and whether or not she felt that this validated her.

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Speaker 2: Now, she did not say talk about it. She did not.

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Speaker 1: Say, please talk about on your podcast.

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Speaker 2: But she sent it to me and I looked at it and I just that was in it.

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Speaker 1: My point is, I know she said that to me for me to talk about it, and I didn't, right, I didn't because I like to cite my source there that's on my podcast.

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Speaker 2: I never say, well I was told.

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Speaker 1: By Birdie no, because I think I think it gets in the weeds of just like mess. And my point is saying all of this is I one hundred and fifty percent believe that Katie met with keikim O Nique and told her these things so that she could talk about it.

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Speaker 2: No one could tell me differently.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why Nobah could tell me differently, is because they do it to me. I have enough sense not to say the shit because I'm not a dummy, and I know when I'm being set up.

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Speaker 3: Well, good point, And I think that's smart of you, because he says, she say is half the time fifty percent of the time not true anyway, Sometimes it's true, but it's not all the time true, and it's it's like the game of telephone and rumors and all of that. So you get into that water, which I think you're smart because you are credible. You do stick to sources that you can go back and show the evidence or have the backup for it.

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Speaker 4: So but I agree with you, I think Katie one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think, like I said, she got caught up in a little bit like, oh my gosh, these people actually want to talk to me because I have a little bit of fame now and they're actually interested in what I have to say, and so she wanted to have some juice or some gossip for her. But I also, I think you're right. I never thought about it that way, but I think you're right. She probably was hoping it would get brought up and unfortunately because some of it was lies and not true.

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Speaker 4: It backfired on Katie.

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Speaker 3: Like I said earlier, you know, it's it didn't work in her favor at all.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, no at all.

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Speaker 3: Twitter likes it, but you know, and it is not a believing that Katie was lying and all of that.

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Speaker 4: But we'll just have to see. I mean there's more. There's a lot more show to be shown.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot more to be shown. So okay, so one of the let me tell your tothing. First of all, I don't know if the producer was that Emily who rubbed the questions for the Lie Detective Test people to ask these women. I want to say this, My favorite moment of the Life Detective Test was the fact that they asked heathern de bro if she wants to be a real housewalk for Belly Hills. I thought that shit was so funny. Alexis like, who came up with that? The fact that she Heather, I know you think I hate you. I don't hate anybody. I'm just I just don't kiss your ass, but I love you. I think you're a great house life, but I'm not kissing your ass like the others do. One thing I will say, though, is a blind man can see that heathern de Bro wants to be on.

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Speaker 2: The real housebo to Billy Hills.

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Speaker 1: Guess one, alexis I if I had a choice of all the housewives, I would be on Beverley Hill all it because I like the lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: I like the accent. I would love to go to a Kathy Hills a Christmas party.

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Speaker 1: I actually loved that lifestyle, that is Heaven's lifestyle. But the fact that she was like I only said yes because of the distance.

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Speaker 2: Heather.

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Speaker 1: That's why I can't stand you the way I want to, because I wish you would have saient if all of us had a fucking choice in this room, we all would choose that show.

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Speaker 2: Get out of right much should have just owned it Like this, I'm going to.

00:23:08
Speaker 1: Ask you directly, would you prefer to be a housewife of Orange County or a housewife of Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 4: Probably neither at the more. But here's I mean.

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Speaker 3: I love my life so much here and I am more of like a homebody. I think for myself personally, the lifestyle of Beverly Hills in LA and all that is too much for me. I know, it's great and gland, grandiose and glamour and all that. I feel like I have enough of that right here in my little OC bubble. I mean, I'm a Missouri girl, so maybe that's some of my farm girl roots coming out in me.

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Speaker 4: But I yeah, I'm I'm pretty content here.

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Speaker 3: But I can see where ninety nine percent of women would want to be in that. But it is, it's a faster pace, it's too much. It's just it's over the top.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: I love like you.

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Speaker 3: I mean we see each other at Calthy Hilton's party. I love being a part of it here and there, you know. But but to actually live it every day, I mean it's perfect for Heather.

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Speaker 4: She's already living, like she said, she's there, she.

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Speaker 2: Lives there, so yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I like the fact that she has this viber who takes her ninety minutes, which with the Heather, I will give you that, the commitment of a ninety minute commute from Beverly Hills to OC is nothing to sneeze that, sister.

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Speaker 2: So but I will say, your.

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Speaker 4: Day so long, it makes it sense so long. I do it for longer than normal, just for the traffic.

00:24:36
Speaker 2: I couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't do it, So I appreciate her commitment to OC and listen, this is my opinion. I think Heaven the Bro is a great reality star. I don't see her on Beverly Hills with those women. I think she's perfect for OC. I think I think Heather is perfect for this show. And Heather, I don't want you to leave. Okay, my sister. Now, I think she's great. Ol see I believe do Okay.

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Speaker 2: So with that being said, Gina was asked.

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Speaker 1: If she is using her ARE for her real estate connections. She said no, she passed that test. Were you surprised by that, Alexis no, because.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Gina was.

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Speaker 3: I think that was I was sitting at that lunch when that came out. That was when we were in where were we going that time? I think it was so Noma Orce.

00:25:24
Speaker 4: I don't remember. It was last year when we were filming.

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Speaker 3: I was at that lunch and when that got called out, I was just like, that's so not true.

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Speaker 4: I didn't believe it at all for that.

00:25:32
Speaker 3: But but it could be too true. It could be possible, you know. But I'm glad that Heather also said, I wouldn't have believed it. Even if you would have failed, I wouldn't have believed it.

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Speaker 2: So that's good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think Gina was using anyone for connections. And she's doing you know, she's kicking butt on her own. She's doing a great job.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think Listen, I love Gina so much because I think Gina is who she is off camera on camp. I think Gina is just who she is. I also don't believe she's using Heather for connection. I think Gina is doing.

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Speaker 2: A great job.

00:26:10
Speaker 1: And she also had a speaking engagement last week that she posted, and she has so much confidence on stage.

00:26:16
Speaker 2: So I think Gina's confidence on.

00:26:18
Speaker 1: Stage in front of a million of people indicates that she has enough confidence to secure her own deals. Now, one thing that shocked me and I felt like, unfortunately, they did not spend enough time on this. Jen was asked if she was worried about marrying Ryan.

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Speaker 4: Oh go go girls react though. The girls were like, they couldn't believe that she failed that one.

00:26:48
Speaker 2: She failed it and she looks shocked. The girls were gagging. I was gagging. A let says, were you gagging too?

00:27:01
Speaker 3: I was not because here's why I've heard. I've heard through the grape vine that it is is pretty like I don't know. I don't know what's true or not. So I am giving, he says, she say stuff right now. But I do live in OC so there's always chatter in my ear and everyone stops me all the you know, and I don't know. So I do hear some things, and I did hear that it is they're they're putting a pause or or taking a step back from all of that, and so we'll see, we'll see how it airs or you know, what comes out. But yeah, so I wasn't that shocked when she got caught. I think I think when she said in her confessional, she goes how she say it, she goes, I don't want to go back through another divorce like I did before.

00:27:43
Speaker 4: I can see.

00:27:44
Speaker 3: How that would be in the back of your mind when you're doing a liight detector test. So I can't understand how she would fail that And still mean, no, I do want to marry him, but just to have that because even me, I mean, this is my third marriage, like like you know, I say too, because my first one didn't count. I was so young and we were married for a year, and you know, I never should have I never should have said yes anyway, however, so that I feel like I could.

00:28:06
Speaker 4: Have got that in all that's a wash.

00:28:07
Speaker 3: But now it's my second real marriort, like big time marriage, and I'm I feel scared sometimes too.

00:28:13
Speaker 4: You don't want to go through another divorce.

00:28:15
Speaker 3: So I get where she could fail that because on the light detector tests. Keep in mind, Carlos, like they said, it's it's your it's your pulse, your sweat, amount, your heartbreaking, all these things, so you a lot of emotions can get into it. That's why I do think that light detector tests aren't necessarily good, you know.

00:28:30
Speaker 4: I think that a lot of people can fail them or pass them.

00:28:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they're pass them, even when they're not telling the truth.

00:28:37
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, and listen, I want to go and right there saying this, there's not enough money in the world to get me to take a lot of tic to test. Only because of alex Is, only because of those reasons, not because I'm trying to hide something. I think it's because I think nothing is one hundred percent full truth of error. So if it's listed, I create my own high blood pressure at times when I'm nervous about something, do you know what I mean? Like, because your mind controls that, your your palls, your blood pressure and all those things. So's a not the fact that I'm lying the fact that I'm a nervous nelly as a human being. So everything makes me nervous. My heart's beating right now, like and I'm comfortable around you. It's just it's just crazy because I wouldn't have done it. So I'll give all the growth posts for saying yes to.

00:29:29
Speaker 3: This year, and it's still kind of fun to do it. Like on marriage boot Camp when I did it, I was nervous as heck. I was shaking, and I'm like, I'm not going to pass anything, just because I was.

00:29:36
Speaker 4: When they're putting you in all those words.

00:29:38
Speaker 3: And they talk so seriously, it's all so dead, just monotone and du and it just makes you feel like, oh my gosh, I'm in trouble when I didn't do anything. But let me ask you this about jen see, because I know some of what I think is about to unfold, or just from being living here and knowing certain people that know.

00:29:55
Speaker 4: Her, et cetera.

00:29:57
Speaker 3: I think the viewers were shocked to hear that because I think things are about to unfold later. I think I don't know, and I could totally put my foot in my mouth and be wrong about that, but you know, I mean, you haven't heard about.

00:30:08
Speaker 4: Him getting married yet.

00:30:09
Speaker 3: So that's one thing, because if they would have got married, even on the show, we'd still know they're married, and it was going to be shown on the show, right So but I think so you were shocked because it's the first time you've felt there's any kind of a whoa, wait, you're not excited to just go jump down the aisle with them? Is that that was what was going through your mind?

00:30:28
Speaker 2: Huh? One hundred percent.

00:30:30
Speaker 1: Only because I am strictly a viewer of the show base on what I've been watching. Along with the rain drops, I see nothing that I'm shown but the fact that they love each other. Ryan has moved Jen and her children to his home. Ryan was going through a scandal, and Jim stood by her. Mam Like Tammy Whynett, do wiut all of this?

00:30:56
Speaker 2: They are a sexy couple.

00:30:59
Speaker 1: They love to be have naked on a beach and a gym, and they they have this solidarity that.

00:31:07
Speaker 2: We are together and we are one.

00:31:10
Speaker 1: So the fact that the only indication that there could be possible trouble in Paradise allegedly.

00:31:19
Speaker 2: Is the fact that she failed.

00:31:21
Speaker 1: And they and I don't want to misquote, but based on what I saw in my notes, they said you failed significantly when I asked that question about marrying Ryan, which now you're saying, listen, in the waters of the OC, there's rumors that you know, the wedding may not happen and that it may.

00:31:47
Speaker 2: Allegedly be put on palls.

00:31:49
Speaker 1: So now I'm thinking to myself as this and I would love to get your thoughts on it. And I'm hoping that we spend more time on Thissiness season because the Katie shit.

00:31:59
Speaker 2: I'm over it, but I'm over it.

00:32:04
Speaker 1: I now wonder this one of the things that I can't guess if.

00:32:10
Speaker 2: If if Jen and Ryan are putting their wedding on Pauls, it has to be because of money.

00:32:16
Speaker 1: And when I say that, there has to be something about assets being protected, the things needing to be you know, done properly, information coming out that maybe they didn't know.

00:32:31
Speaker 2: Those were the things running through my mind.

00:32:35
Speaker 1: Is that something that you're hearing too, or are you hearing something completely different?

00:32:40
Speaker 4: No, and I'm not really.

00:32:41
Speaker 3: That's the funny thing is the chatter is not really talking about why. It's just everyone's kind of going hmm. You know, they were engaged, they were supposed to get married, you know, a X, Y and Z and the Bahamas and this, and then there was no.

00:32:52
Speaker 4: Wedding because, like I said, we'd still hear about it.

00:32:54
Speaker 3: Even if even they wouldn't, they wouldn't show anything or post anything and talk for the show aired, we still know the married. So yeah, I just think that might be where it's coming from. But you're absolutely right. I mean that could both of those things could be true about what you're saying. It could be the money, or it could be the assets, or it could be the you know. I mean the fact that he already moved the kids in shows you that he's committed and loves her and wants to. I mean, that's just such a heroic thing to do. And he does love those He's very good to her and the kids. So yeah, yeah, you know, I feel also like I think Gina and Emily just wanted to get this out. But I feel like Gina and Emily are such mean girls this season, though, I feel like what they did and kicking Katie out and doing all that, I feel like that was mean girl.

00:33:39
Speaker 4: I know I'm jumping a topic right now.

00:33:41
Speaker 3: Sometimes in my heart, I even wanted to text Katie, but where I'm still kind of so mad at her for lying about it, but I even wanted to text her and just be like, girlfriend, that is not cool.

00:33:50
Speaker 4: It was not cool.

00:33:51
Speaker 1: No, no, no, two things can be true. Katie can be a liar, and I believe she is. However, who the fuck are you to kick someone out.

00:34:03
Speaker 4: Like that mean and that mean of a way.

00:34:05
Speaker 3: Just simply take her outside or pull her aside and talk to her like, don't it's so high school mean girl?

00:34:11
Speaker 2: Just you know.

00:34:11
Speaker 3: And I saw the brunch of it last year. They were both mean girls to me, so I know that they have that spirit in them, but it really made me mad the way that they handled Like Katie's not sitting there taking enough. She just significantly failed the light detect her test. She's going to be humiliated knowing that it's going to air, and then and then you still tell her she should leave. I just it really bothered me.

00:34:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, So now let's talk about it, because again, there's no rules about.

00:34:34
Speaker 2: You know, how we construct this episode.

00:34:36
Speaker 1: So let's just get right into that too, and I'll go back to some other stuff I want to talk about that happen prior to that moment. It discussed me to see Emily tell Katie to leave. You're not the boss of anybody?

00:34:49
Speaker 2: Who are you?

00:34:49
Speaker 1: And I like Emily a lot. That was fucked up. It literally disgusted me seeing that happen.

00:34:57
Speaker 2: Who are you?

00:34:58
Speaker 1: It reminded me, honestly, Uh, if I'm being completely honest, then I'm always now.

00:35:03
Speaker 2: When having de Bro tell Kelly Dodd to leave? Who who you like?

00:35:12
Speaker 1: Who the fuck are you to tell somebody who's on the same show as you, who's holding an orange as you.

00:35:20
Speaker 2: That they need to leave?

00:35:22
Speaker 1: And that's why I will always laugh and love when Kelly Dodd said to Heather.

00:35:27
Speaker 2: Who are you? You're not my balls?

00:35:29
Speaker 1: I thought that was like, to me, that's funny, And yeah, Kelly Doll has said some problematic shit, but we're not I'm not.

00:35:35
Speaker 2: I'm not here to talk about that right now. I'm going to talk about the correlation. Go ahead, Alexis.

00:35:40
Speaker 4: I just had a thought. Cameron judge, he's one of my closest friends. Kicked me out of her gym. She goes, get the fuck down here. I'm sorry, I'm I'm trying not to cuse. Just bleep that up.

00:35:51
Speaker 3: But anyway, okay, talking like, wait a minute, I feel like I've been kicked out.

00:35:57
Speaker 4: What was fine?

00:35:58
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but listen, guess what if Tama's the fifth you were on her property?

00:36:07
Speaker 4: Well it hold on? Hold on, Emily was where this is that?

00:36:11
Speaker 3: So Katie was at Eily's property?

00:36:13
Speaker 2: Oh? Hold on?

00:36:16
Speaker 4: And wasn't Kelly at Heather's house?

00:36:19
Speaker 2: Was restaurant? That's the restaurant, okay, the.

00:36:22
Speaker 4: Only one that Hey, that's the only one. We're correct about that. We got to just erace everything else.

00:36:28
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't like that.

00:36:30
Speaker 6: And I also said too that I detested when Shannon told when Shannon yelled at Katie a few episodes all go so listen.

00:36:42
Speaker 2: I know that when it comes to Katie, listen. I like Katie.

00:36:46
Speaker 1: Katie's gorgeous, but I listen when it comes to the people we love. It's also okay to say, in this instance, I think you're wrong. I think Katie is a liar. Sorry, I think she is, but that doesn't mean that she does serves to be yelled at by Shanning, and it doesn't mean that she deserves to be kicked out in that way.

00:37:07
Speaker 2: And Jen, I love Jen, I love you.

00:37:10
Speaker 1: Two pieces the fact that, out of anybody on that show, you're the closest to her, and I think as a human being, I expected jan to get up and just go outside and say, Katie, look, although I think what you did was whatever, I just want.

00:37:32
Speaker 2: To make sure you're okay because I agree to to to to be to be alone in that moment.

00:37:38
Speaker 1: And again, it's okay to know that she felt something miserably, but it doesn't mean that this woman deserved to be.

00:37:46
Speaker 2: Yelled at kicked out.

00:37:48
Speaker 1: And the fact that not one person went outside to say I want to make sure you're okay.

00:37:55
Speaker 4: I agree with you.

00:37:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.

00:37:58
Speaker 1: Want to talk about the fact that two things were caught in live Tamra saying that she's on the spectrum, she felt that she was surprised, she felt it.

00:38:09
Speaker 2: They then flashed back to the therapists pretty much confirming that that was talked about. What did you make of that?

00:38:14
Speaker 1: Because I thought that was luck And I'm like, well, we kind of saw on camera that that was a conversation, So how does she fail that?

00:38:21
Speaker 2: And it made me think about the validity of this test.

00:38:23
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right, And that's what I'm trying to say, is that it's like, even though Gretchen passed it all with flying colors and Katie failed it all miserably, it shows you right there with Tameras that the test isn't all accurate all the time, because it shows that Tamra had that conversation with her therapist.

00:38:41
Speaker 4: So she's not lying about it her thing.

00:38:43
Speaker 3: Maybe she worded it improperly or or claimed it too much of it like that she is, but her therapist in her had the conversation on camera that Tamra should get tested for being on the spectrum, so because her therapist thinks she is. So yeah, the test isn't always accurate. I love that they showed that because then it's like, because then you have one character on the show passing with flying colors, one character failing it all miserably, and so and then you have one that they prove that the test is in accurate.

00:39:13
Speaker 1: So but one thing that I want to make clear, and this is why I love having my assistant Lizzie on because Lizzie watched it with us, and Liza's gonna keep us honest. Lizzy is texting me saying that the therapist and Lizzie tell me if I got this Rian as I'm reading your notes, if they're sending me in real.

00:39:33
Speaker 2: Time, I fall loving show. Okay.

00:39:37
Speaker 1: Lizzy is saying to me that the therapist said she should get tested for being on the spectrum, but not necessarily saying she was on the spectrum.

00:39:53
Speaker 2: Lizzy is saying to me, no.

00:39:54
Speaker 1: Onah confirmed that a doctor told her she was on the spectrum, which is why she turned them around and apologized on social media.

00:40:03
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the difference.

00:40:05
Speaker 3: Now, now, thank you for keeping us accurate.

00:40:11
Speaker 1: Always listen to Rialna Tevamiking from the actor reporting I love Love Love love us. Okay, So that was that one not not so so now we know why she failed it because to your point, it was the wrong question being asked.

00:40:24
Speaker 3: Yes, there we go, debait. They should have said do you think you're on the spectrum? Not has a doctor said you're on the spectrum?

00:40:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, the doctor said you should get tested for it?

00:40:33
Speaker 4: Right there you go?

00:40:35
Speaker 2: Okay, Heather failed, not the one Heather.

00:40:42
Speaker 1: I like you, Jesus, I'm recapping the show Heather failed with acts.

00:40:49
Speaker 2: If she called the paparazzi on herself, I know no in Alexis tell me.

00:40:57
Speaker 3: I guess by your laughing and your reaction and what I'm looking watching you do right now, you do.

00:41:03
Speaker 4: Believe she called the paparazzis.

00:41:05
Speaker 2: I think this. I think this, I think this, I think this. I think this. Now. I will say this.

00:41:13
Speaker 1: I don't think a mother would swear on their children if they're telling I mean, if they're lying.

00:41:19
Speaker 2: I just.

00:41:21
Speaker 1: I don't know a mother in my life who would lie on their kids for something as minuscule as a paparazzi.

00:41:31
Speaker 2: I think that's silly. So I will say this. I watched the show. Heather Debro loves her children to pieces. She's a great mother.

00:41:43
Speaker 1: If she's saying I did not call them and I swear my kids, I do believe her. So I do believe her now with that being said. With that being said, it's all a game of semantics.

00:41:53
Speaker 5: To me, because my my my true crime reporter alexibl know who should be a producer on Daylight NBC and day Light NBC, if.

00:42:04
Speaker 1: You're hiring hire lessis Billina to give us a recording? Now, I believe that somebody in Heather's camp.

00:42:12
Speaker 4: Ah, I was gonna go there.

00:42:13
Speaker 2: I'm semantic. Did it have the pick up the fall and call Harvey Labin from TMZ. Absolutely not.

00:42:20
Speaker 1: Now the Heavis assistant publishist, manager, real estate agent friend called the fabarazzi on her and and uh and Terry.

00:42:30
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

00:42:32
Speaker 4: I I was gonna. I was gonna mention that if you didn't bring it up. I was, because it's in my mind, I'm.

00:42:37
Speaker 3: Like, she could totally have failed it because yeah, she didn't specifically pick up the phone, but she knows in her heart that somebody did that that is connected to her, you know.

00:42:46
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was yeah, very very good catch there, Carlos.

00:42:51
Speaker 2: We're okay.

00:42:54
Speaker 3: So maybe we both need to go to dateline and produce that okay, because we are just I'm just so proud of our skills.

00:43:01
Speaker 2: Damn. I would love it. That's why are recapt our head, because people just love us.

00:43:05
Speaker 1: And once again, people haven't seen your praise and so I won't let you know that another week. You've been in the pressed, girlfriend, So I can't thank you enough for hopping on this. Okay, wait, I have a look, I have a Lizzy note, not a legal note, a Lizzy note.

00:43:20
Speaker 2: So Lizzy said, I just rewatched it for us. The therapist sent, it's hard to say until you get an assessment.

00:43:29
Speaker 1: So yes, we are right about the fact that she said you should get tested.

00:43:34
Speaker 2: Okay, now, so ig, what camera would think?

00:43:37
Speaker 3: I can see why Tamper would think that. The therapist thought that. Then, Okay, it's not like camera's trying to lie about it. Like, no one's going to go out there and lie and say that they they're on the spectrum when they're not. That's why it was in Tamra's mind obviously from that what the therapist said, thank you, Lizzie.

00:43:49
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent agreed.

00:43:51
Speaker 7: Now, Gretchen, you before I go back to what she said, Gretchen passed the test with flying collars.

00:44:06
Speaker 2: Gretchen said she never told Katie that she.

00:44:09
Speaker 1: Went to the hospital, got rufeed she and she passed that.

00:44:13
Speaker 2: She passed the fact that I've got the other questions.

00:44:16
Speaker 1: But long story stores she passed every question and they said you low key passed with flying collars.

00:44:22
Speaker 4: No, they said you passed I think Lizzie will keep us on this.

00:44:25
Speaker 3: I think that I remember, I think that the lady said, the woman examiner said, you actually passed the entire test, So that's why. And my dateline mind went off because of what I'm like, Okay, well that's kind of scary, actually, like, that's not that means you can rely really good, because there's no way you're going to pass every single one of them.

00:44:45
Speaker 4: I mean unless what.

00:44:50
Speaker 2: Unless you really are a onl Arietta.

00:44:56
Speaker 3: But we know she's We know she's not because we have the footage of her the back of the car saying she did go to the hospital, so she lied.

00:45:03
Speaker 4: There, So she's not true, not honest.

00:45:07
Speaker 3: Honest, Harry or you know whatever, Henriette. I mean, maybe up if she hadn't slipped up and done that in the back of the car, then maybe we could all be going, yeah, she must.

00:45:22
Speaker 4: Be really honest.

00:45:23
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, she's so she lined one episode ago to everybody, so don't don't don't don't sing her praises on that just because she can pass the light detector test with flying colors.

00:45:39
Speaker 1: But Alex says, it just hit me what My producer brain went off again. The fact that the producers are showing us flashbacks to come back the failure and the passing of some of these women. I believe they're low key telling us without telling us, perhaps this live this live detector test results is not as accurate as it should be because to your point, but Tamra thing we saw Booth, the Gretcha thing.

00:46:19
Speaker 2: We saw that she did tell Tamara and Shannon that she did go to the hospital.

00:46:25
Speaker 1: She sent the live detective tests, she did not go to the hospital, and she passed. Maybe the producers are saying to us, this is our way of not getting into the weeds of it, but we can only allow you guys to see the full picture that maybe this live detective test isn't as accurate as it may appear. If that's the case, are we now being told that maybe Katie told the truth and some of these things, or do you believe that Katie filled significantly because she lied about every by significantly.

00:47:02
Speaker 3: Well, I can't remember all of her questions now, but I definitely don't think she's going to fail the entire test unless it's because remember when she sat down in the chair, She's just.

00:47:12
Speaker 4: Like, I'm so anxious I'm so anxious. I'm so anxious.

00:47:14
Speaker 3: So maybe she kind of psyites herself out to where her body was just reacting in every certain.

00:47:19
Speaker 4: Way for all the questions.

00:47:20
Speaker 3: If they said, even if they said, are you know, are you forty two? And she has forty two, I don't know what her age is, but I'm just saying, you.

00:47:26
Speaker 4: Know, I asked her question like that that really is she is honestly saying.

00:47:30
Speaker 3: I think she might have still even failed it because I think she was so just so worked up. But by the way, Carlos, I think the producers also are are setting us up for a couple episodes coming up that they're going that they're they're going to keep using this light detector test and show that there are more lies that are still being told. I believe that we're still going to see more lies.

00:47:51
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

00:47:52
Speaker 3: I think that they the light detector test was just one way of like saying that they're not legit, but also to add some fun and some you know, it was kind of interesting to watch it, right, But I believe that we're still going to see more lies coming out.

00:48:05
Speaker 2: I did too. I do too.

00:48:06
Speaker 3: Flash back back to the light detector test too, so it was just interesting.

00:48:10
Speaker 4: I'm glad they did it.

00:48:11
Speaker 3: I know America is not loving it and thinks it was really bad, bad, but I I love it.

00:48:16
Speaker 4: I think it was I think it was fun.

00:48:18
Speaker 1: Look, this was the best episode of the season, and all the episodes to me have been great, So I think at the end of the day, I can predict that this episode will probably be the highest rated of the season so far. Because of what you said, Alexit, It's one of those things that I had an emotional reaction watching it, and it's because I've never seen anything like this on a housewives show, where everybody is called to the carpet and being forced honestly, you know, with the machine strapped to you to be honest. And look, if Katie is a liar, this is what I will.

00:48:57
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think she is one, but I want to.

00:48:59
Speaker 1: Go on record saying I don't think Katie is the own liar, right, and I don't think. I don't think Katie's lies is bigger than other housewives who have lied that are still on the show.

00:49:15
Speaker 3: Agree That's how I feel, And I don't think Katie's.

00:49:18
Speaker 4: A liar about everything either. I want to clear that.

00:49:20
Speaker 3: I don't think she lies about every single thing. I think she's just she's just got caught in so many that you know that that now it's hard to believe any of what she says. But I don't think she's she I don't think she failed that test all the way and lied about every single one of them.

00:49:33
Speaker 4: I don't think.

00:49:34
Speaker 2: So. Yeah, and I'm also.

00:49:37
Speaker 3: Over I'm also over the Katie stuff. Like I'm ready for the show to move. It's like, it's like, put that to rest and let's move the show forward. So I'm hoping, you know, like next episode it's going to be to be continued because we saw Katie, you know, leave and is so upset, and it's like, okay, can we just now can we take the point of moving over this and go on to fast forward the show in another direction?

00:50:00
Speaker 2: I I drew with you.

00:50:02
Speaker 1: So it looks like Katie may have been sirt her walking papers. Katie did an interview recently where she said that she was not invited to I believe the cast trip she asks to go.

00:50:13
Speaker 2: That's allegedly what happened. Who knows.

00:50:16
Speaker 1: But my last question for you, alexis is this based on what you've seen. Do you think Gretchen is being set up by the producers to come back to the show next season as a full time housewife.

00:50:32
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know.

00:50:35
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's just so many more episodes to see. And there was one on the trailer where she's really really oh on the cast trip, it looked like that she was screaming into the van. Make it make sense. So I don't know, I don't know. I think there's a lot to buy, a lot that we're going.

00:50:52
Speaker 4: To get to see.

00:50:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you want her to.

00:50:55
Speaker 4: Come back full time? What is your take on that?

00:50:58
Speaker 1: Look, I'm a big Regipan, and I think Gretchen and Tama to me, reminds me a lot of Portia Kenya. Reminds me a lot of just like when you have two women who are very strong and opinionated have a conflict.

00:51:13
Speaker 2: I think they're both great at it.

00:51:14
Speaker 1: So looks as of now, I would love to see Gretchen back full time. I want to see Alexis Belino back full time. You know, I would like to see Shannaby a friend up to the show in my opinion, And look, I think the rest of the cast should stay and I think Katie just isn't built for reality television.

00:51:35
Speaker 2: I think Katie.

00:51:37
Speaker 1: I think Katie should just go back to like what she was doing before the show and live a very peaceful life with her amazing husband.

00:51:45
Speaker 2: I think Matt is a great guy. So that's that's what Carlos Kimbral likes to see.

00:51:50
Speaker 3: Okay, well you heard it here, and so we will see if your prediction is right. We can we can flash back to this in a year.

00:51:58
Speaker 4: Or two say you're wrong, Yes we can't.

00:52:03
Speaker 2: Electavely no.

00:52:04
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my sister for another great episode, and I'll see you next week.

00:52:09
Speaker 2: Bye, doll.

00:52:13
Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.

00:52:22
Speaker 2: With The Lack Effect Network.

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Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at the Carlos King Underscore