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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get

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a master class in child-centered play therapy

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and practical support and application for your

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work with children and their families.

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In today's episode,

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I am answering a question from Zoe in Texas.

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And Zoe is curious about House/Tree/Person,

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which I love,

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so I'm looking forward to this as well.

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I'll read you parts of her email and then we'll dive in together.

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Oh,

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hold on,

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Public service announcement.

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If you are wanting CEUs,

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please make sure that you get registered

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for the Corwell training this coming Friday.

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It will be from 2 to 6 Eastern time.

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And we are looking at

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4 CEUs for that course,

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which

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that's always helpful,

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especially that it's APT approved,

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and that will be on Friday,

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the 31st at 2 p.m. Eastern.

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So if you are wanting to get some CEUs

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and or you would like.

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Kind of the basics of CCPT,

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all the pillars,

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all the principles,

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foundational stuff,

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then that's for you.

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So please get signed up.

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It's almost full.

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APT caps their trainings,

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so there are not a whole lot of seats left.

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So if you're interested,

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hurry up because I don't want you to run out of space.

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OK,

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so let me dive into the email.

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I want to let you know that I have found your podcast so unbelievably helpful.

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At my site where I completed my internship,

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it was an expectation that therapists listen to your podcast

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as we grow our play therapy skills,

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and I'm so grateful.

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I'm gonna pause there.

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I am blown away by that.

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I am so excited that you were able to learn CCPT in your internship

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and that whoever was supervising you at your

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site wanted you to listen to the podcast.

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I'm,

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I'm really encouraged by that and I'm so grateful for.

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The way that this podcast has been utilized in the educational arena,

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I,

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I'm getting more and more emails from people who are in grad school

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and they're being told about the podcast as part of their graduate work.

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That is so exciting.

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Oh my gosh,

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let me tell y'all a story.

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This blew me away.

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So I have

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at my center,

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I've had interns from the University of South Florida.

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And then I also had a student who was on summer break,

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who attended Auburn,

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who wanted to kind of do like a shadowing

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over the summer volunteer work kind of scenario.

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So she spent all summer when she was home from Auburn

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coming in and just helping around the office.

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She fell in love with therapy.

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She was a psych major,

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did not know what she wanted to do with her professional life,

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and decided that she wanted to become a therapist after being at the center,

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which I was so happy about.

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She asked me to give her some reference letters,

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so she applied to,

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oh my gosh,

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like 12 grad schools.

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I was like,

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is this how it works now?

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Like,

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I applied to one.

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I don't understand.

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But anyway,

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so she applied to a whole bunch of,

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universities and I sent out her,

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you know,

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recommendation letter,

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all of them.

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She sends me a text and says,

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Brenna,

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I just got off of an interview with one of the grad schools

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They saw that I did my,

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my volunteer hours at your center,

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and the first question they asked me

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was,

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we saw that you were at The Kid Counselor Center.

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Do you by any chance know Brenna Hicks?

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And she was like,

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yeah,

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she was like,

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she was in charge and she was my mentor and

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like we did staff together and we talked all the time

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and they were like,

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oh my gosh,

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we listen to her podcast all the time and I'm like,

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what in the world?

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So,

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I'm telling you to say I feel like

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what we've been hoping for,

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what we've been praying for,

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what we've been banking on

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for these last couple of years

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is that I think maybe finally

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universities are starting to see the value of play therapy

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and they're starting to provide their students with resources

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for teaching them CCPT while they're still getting their coursework.

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And in their internship and in their practica

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and this is what all of us that graduated a while ago

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have sorely missed out on and so many of us say,

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oh my gosh,

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I wish I would have known about this in grad school.

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I wish I would have been taught about this in grad school.

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I wish I would have been exposed to this.

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Well,

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I think,

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lo and behold,

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that it's happening.

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So,

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Zoe and

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all the other of you that are listening to me as part of graduate coursework,

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I'm so happy about that.

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OK,

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back to the question.

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I took a little side turn,

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but we're back on track.

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What made you choose the house tree person assessment

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as well as the kinetic family drawing as your assessment tools?

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I would love to share that with you.

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First of all,

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I was trained in house, tree, person in grad school.

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Not to work with children specifically,

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in our,

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I don't even remember what the course was,

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but it was essentially psychological assessment.

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non-clinical assessment tools and people had to present on different options and

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house, tree, person was one of the ones that was presented on.

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I was exposed to it very early on,

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gosh,

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back in like '04,

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and I just fell in love with it and I chose it because

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I think that it aligns with CCPT

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as much as an assessment can.

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And I know that you do not have to do any kind of assessment

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to provide CCPT.

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That that's not why I do it.

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I don't do it because I can't do my job without it.

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I don't do it because it provides so much insight and,

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I just,

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I'm blown away by everything I gain from it.

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Although often I am like,

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wow,

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I know exactly what's going on with this kid.

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It's really a tool

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to get a Polaroid snapshot

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of what's going on week one.

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a child that comes into a playroom for the first time,

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let's talk about what Landreth has said.

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We cannot forget

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the fact that

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a child is being asked to go into a strange place with a strange person

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into a strange room

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for an hour,

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and that feels very awkward and scary and uncomfortable for a lot of kids.

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So there's no relationship,

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there's no structure,

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there's no familiarity,

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and they're supposed to just leave the comfort of their family,

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go back to this strange place with this strange person,

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and then be told,

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you can play with all the toys in most of the ways that you like,

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and they're like,

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what in the world is this?

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So I found that week one,

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when there's a little bit of quote,

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get to know you.

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It provides ease for kids.

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They like quote,

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getting to know you

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and not having to dive in to play right away.

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Most kids don't mind drawing or coloring.

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sitting and answering questions and drawing.

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So it serves a lot of purposes for me and I would not do an assessment period

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if I did not have house tree person kinetic family drawing.

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Here's a related aside.

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It's far more for the parents than it is for me.

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I have only ever been private pay.

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I have only ever been private practice.

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Parents really appreciate

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the insight

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that I gain from the house tree person drawings in the 1st 5 weeks.

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And here's what you need to know.

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Most of the time in the 1st 5 weeks,

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they've seen no change,

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and or they've seen things get worse.

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So to help them feel that there is something to be hopeful for,

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there is transformation taking place.

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There is something happening because,

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you see no change or things get worse,

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and it's really easy for a parent to go,

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what do you expect when you just send your kid

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into play and you think that's gonna do something?

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when you can say,

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based on the house drawing and the questions that

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were asked and the answers that were given.

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there's pretty high levels of anxiety

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there's perfectionism,

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and according to the tree,

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you know,

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she doesn't really feel equipped to withstand

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what's going on environmentally like she,

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she buckles under pressure,

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so there's not a whole lot of frustration tolerance,

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she's likely struggling with some self-esteem stuff based on her,

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on her

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person drawing.

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Now all of a sudden,

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a parent goes,

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so you do have an idea of what's going on and

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you do have an awareness of what needs to be addressed and

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It gives parents hope and confidence in the process.

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for lots of reasons,

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I love house, tree, person and kinetic family drawing.

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It soothes kids' fears and anxieties.

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It makes the first session a little bit more comfortable for them.

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It makes parents feel a lot better in the 1st 5

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weeks and it gives you some perspective on what's going on.

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I mean,

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that kid's a stranger to you when they walk in,

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but after that first session and they've done some drawings,

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you,

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you have your finger on the pulse of what's going on.

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Inferiority,

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self-esteem,

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anxiety,

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power and control,

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people pleasing,

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whatever you,

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you have a pretty good handle

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on what that looks like for them.

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So that is why I love it.

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I have literally been doing it for 20 years.

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I started out my very first kid ever

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I have always done house, tree, person

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family drawing

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with every kid that I've worked with

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it's just,

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it's fascinating the information that you get.

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And then Zoe's second question was,

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are there any resources where I could learn

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more about the implementation of these assessments?

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if you join the CCPT Collective,

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there are all kinds of resources that we put out,

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first session house tree person kinetic family drawing with a child.

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there are some resources in that Collective section

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for house tree person.

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I also talk extensively about it in the coaching programs,

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there are all kinds of resources and just stay tuned

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because we are working on a house tree person

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family.

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Drawing CEU through Corwell

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to boot.

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a CEU course approved for

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house, tree, person and family drawing.

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the Collective and the coaching is where you would

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have the resources that are available at this moment.

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Zoe in Texas,

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thank you so much for your email and your questions.

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I hope that all of you found that helpful.

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If you want to reach out to me,

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I'd love to hear from you,

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brenna@thekidcounselor.com.

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And I hope that you all have a wonderful week.

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We'll talk again soon.

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Love you all.

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Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr.

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Brenna Hicks.

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