Ken Rosenthal’s Inside Scoop: Cubs new attack plan, Mets backing Mendoza, Cardinals surprising

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Speaker 1: Let's continue this right now with Ken Rosendald. Let's get his thoughts on at our FT senior insider, Ken, what do you think of the Mets finally actually like coming out publicly and saying, here's our decision for now, we are not going to fire our manager like the other two teams did this week.

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Speaker 2: To me, it was obvious they were not going to fire their manager, but it seems like there was enough noise that they felt like they needed to make a statement, and David Stearns made that statement. Does it change anything consequentially for the near future, For the near future, yes, for the long term future or even the midterm future. No. And if they're still sputtering along on May twentieth and they're in this funk, then I can definitely see them still making a change. Now, maybe that doesn't happen, and maybe they continue with Carlos Mendoza as they should because this is not on him. But at the same time, nothing is guaranteed sport, and it's the dreaded vote of confidence, right. I actually believe it's sincere on Stearns's Party's never fired a manager instant in season, and I believe it's sincere on Steve Cohen's part. They know that this is beyond Mendoza. It's not as Eric was just saying, going down to who's pitching the seventh or who's pitching the eighth. If nobody's getting anybody out, doesn't matter. And you look at the lineup last night, and I wouldn't say it was a borderline spring training road lineup, but it's not a lineup that you would think is representative of a three hundred and forty million dollar payroll. You had MJ. Melendez, who was apparently the star of this team now signed a cheap deal in February. He's hitting third, vent Dos is hitting fourth. You've got Benjamin Torren's at the bottom. Obviously, they're not where they want to be, in part because of the injuries. It's Lindor, it's Polanco, it's Robert Junior. Now, no one should be surprised that some of the Mets players are getting hurt. They have injury histories, but at the same time, they've had one hit after another in that regard, and as well, the biggest issue is roster construction and what they did in the off season and how, at least to this point, it has not worked.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever seen a situation where like a David Stearns, who I think his superpower is communication, and in this, in this moment he is he's presenting a unified front from the front office to the team even when times aren't going well. And I think that's what he really did well in Milwaukee. But have you seen this in the bigger markets where a GM is this I would say open and like positive because normally, you know, we hear off. Anything you say just gets spun in a negative, in a negative spin when you're in these bigger markets. So has there been an example of a GM like this, because I think this is what could help turn the mats around too.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, you could argue that this will relax the clubhouse a little bit. I don't know that the manager's status is a big topic in any clubhouse. Frankly, Eric, no disrespect to you or Todd, but players are most worried about themselves, They're not most worried about the manager. Now, as for communication and loyalty and all that, this is a very different strategy than we saw the Red Sox and the Phillies take. And Frankly, the Red Sox and Phillies acted, in my view, maybe earlier than they should have. And I know the Phillies have won three straight under manningly okay, and the Red Sox have kind of sputtered, as they've sputtered before under Cora. But this is the kind of show of faith that we've seen from Brian Cashman toward Aaron Boone. Now, Yankee fans scream and yell all the time about that, and they want Boone out. But the bottom line is the Yankees have been a very successful team. They haven't won a World Series under Boom, but they've been one of the most successful teams since he took over as manager, and at times of crisis, and the Mets are in a crisis right now. I don't know that any would would argue that sometimes the best move is to stand behind your guy, take accountability for yourself. Haven't seen a lot of that out of Boston and Philadelphia's baseball operations, and then go forward and see if you can just figure it out. We'll see.

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Speaker 4: I like that little dig there, little dig to the other not a.

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Speaker 2: Dig tod But seriously, you guys, I mean, when you're in the clubhouse, are the players talked Oh my gosh, the manager. We're worried about the manager. We can't play to our best. No, that's not how players think in my at least experience with them.

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Speaker 4: No, I got you, I got you Mets ten and twenty one. I feel like this is a monster month for them coming up here. This is to me. People talk about all the Todds too early. Don't worry, you got plenty of times. This month is a huge month month If the Mets don't find a way to get off and get going here a little bit. Say they're under five hundred this month. Now, what's the next talks? Is it manager again? Or do we just keep on rolling hoping for the.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, todd And certainly they're taking it one day at a time and they're hoping this month will go better than the last one did. But it's fair to ask, hey, what happens if on May thirtieth or May twentieth, whatever the date you might want to pick, is they're still in this rut, then you're asking questions not just about the manager, but about the makeup of the team and the deadline and will you trade Freddie per Alton, will you trade Clay Holmes. So they need to get it going. And it's an odd thing with them because they were patched together, both the coaching staff and the roster, and you never knew that it was going to come together right away. You never had that anticipation because there was no shared history with these players and these coaches. So there's talent there. Look at all the preseason projections. They'll show you from the numbers that the talent is there for this team to perform better. But as you guys know, and this is something that players do know and understand, there is value beyond projections in a clubhouse and unity and all of that. I'm not saying they're not unified. I'm just saying there's an unfamiliarity there and it was always going to take time for this team to gel even if things went well. And things haven't gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of things going on with the Cubs, a lot of them good, and they've got a manager who is very much respected in his clubhouse, even though sometimes he delivers harsh messages and I wouldn't even say harsh messages, honest messages. He is blunt and he will do what he thinks needs to be done for the team to win that day. That's Craig Council offensively. I wrote about this yesterday. It's really interesting to me that they're swinging at fewer pitches in the zone than any team in baseball, and yet they're up near the top in runs scored. And what we're seeing is a pretty veteran group understanding when they need to do damage and which pitches they can do damage on. And that's helped and for the pitching, that's been a real revelation and probably the biggest surprise given that they've been without Justin Steele of course, and they've had other injuries to their staff as well, Kate Horton of course being a huge blow. But they've kind of chugged along just fine, and councils matched up well in the bullpen. They're gonna get Palencia back. So it's been an impressive run by them in a division that we've talked about from the start of the season is much more competitive than most of us anticipated.

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Speaker 3: All right, in your article, you're talking about Nico Horner, you know about the swing decisions that this offense is making. They're just not swinging as much and everybody doesn't want to necessarily run to Well, it's not direct effect of Alex Bregman, do you think, Well, I mean because the hitting coach dust Dustin Kelly. Is that the hitting coach? Yes, he said, he said, you know, Nico's Nico's not a direct reflection of Alex Bregman. So fans say, okay, well, what is it then? Could it be a contract extension? Was there any mention of the fact that when you have a contract extension there's a little bit level a little bit more of a level of security or patience, and you're willing to try new things instead of just go and get your numbers.

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Speaker 2: No, and in this case, Eric, his revival if you want to call it that, or his breakout maybe a better word, started last season. And it goes back to what I was just saying about understanding yourself as a hitter and what you can do. And Council really put this well. He said, Nico Horner, because he makes such great contact, was kind of playing defense a lot, just looking to put the ball in play and see what happens instead of looking to do damage and looking to take advantage of specific counts. And that process has been years in the making. And actually he and the Cubs cite the last six weeks of last season, including the playoffs, which is when he really started to come around, and that part of it doesn't have anything to do with Bregman. Council made a point of that, No, this is not Bregman, but Bregman is a guy who does preach swing less, do damage where you can do damage in the zone. So it's not, in Nico Horner's case, a direct reflection. It might not be a direct reflection in any of their cases. But we know this from previous teams. Alex Beregman's played for. He does talk a lot about the game and he has specific ideas that are pretty healthy and maybe that's benefiting the Cubs here.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, you're doing the Cardinals Dodgers series coming up here. The Otani workload. I know Otani doesn't talk a lot, but so we have to just assume things about Otani. Is there a case where you could ask Otani a question about his pitching? What would it be?

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Speaker 2: Hmm, that's a great question, Eric. I would ask him, not just about his pitching, but I would want to know, Okay, how much of a toll do you feel hitting while you're pitching takes? And I don't know that he hasn't answer to that question, and I don't know that he wants to answer that question, but that kind of is the question right now. They've done this twice where they've rested him as a hitter on days he pitched, and listen, we all know that what he's doing is extraordinary and it does exact a toll on him physically to some extent, perhaps mentally, we don't know. Emotionally, we don't know he is unique in that way. But that is the question I would ask, how much of a toll do you think it takes when you're on the mound to your offensive game.

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Speaker 4: That's a really good question because we were as youngsters, were born and raised on that you're gonna hit, yeah, you're gonna pitch too, And now as you get older, the body does take a toll. I wish I mean, it's phenomenal. I wish more people could do it. It's just it's a lost not even a lost art, it's just body control.

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Speaker 3: For me, I want to.

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Speaker 4: Go to the athletics. Can they sustain this? They're in first place right now. They find a way to win these games. Severarino on the mound the other day they get a five to two, six to two victory. Not many people are talking about this team. Can they sustain this kind of you know, just getting over the hump and being in first place and making the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: If they pitch and they haven't really hit to the way we thought they would yet, even though Kurtz has this walk streak, they are going to be a dynamic offensive team, and in some reguards they already are Langliers has had this amazing start, and of course Kurts Is Kurtz and Carlos Cortez has been a breakout player for them. But it will come down to what they can do on the mound. And yes, Severarino's recent start was encouraging. Jeffrey Springs has been good all year for the most part. I believe he left last night's game with an injury of some type or at least some problem. So they're gonna need to stay healthy with their rotation. They're gonna need some of their younger arms to emerge as well in the rotation, and the bullpen without Mason Miller has been pretty good. So that's what it will come down to for them, And maybe if they're in it, they make some move moves to the deadline to fortify their pitching because I'm not sure they feel confident in what they have for the long haul.

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Speaker 3: Because you have the memory of an elephant, and I have the nose of an elephant. I have to make sure that you do. You remember last year what they said about playoffs, because today they're in first place. If they make the playoffs, did they say they would or would not allow Sacramento to host playoff games because I know something with Steinbrenner Field too.

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Speaker 2: All right, I do have the memory of an elephant on certain things, Eric, but I'm not remembering this one. And if I'm not mistaken, it was an answer that was not given because it was a hypothetical. And ultimately, if it does become a question and they go to the playoffs, then maybe MLB addresses it. But I'm not sure of the answer. I would have to ask that question again. And clearly, you could play in San Francisco in the Giants Ballpark, you could do that. At the same time, it's two years now, they've been there and that's their home at least right now, so you would be depriving them perhaps if you took them out of West Sacramento. Now, the issue with the playoffs is accommodating media, accommodating television and all of that. So I don't know the answer, to be perfectly honest, I.

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Speaker 1: Thought it's like maybe division they'd be Okay, that might have been the raids last.

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Speaker 2: Year, that it was something like that, yes, early.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we love on the spot. Okay, gotcha. When Eric puts on the spot with a pop quiz on a Friday. We'll finish with one that, yeah, of course, I like to just make fun of him. We'll finish with one that I think you'll know well because you're covering the Dodgers and the Cardinals this weekend. But I wanted to get to the Cardinals side. Just one note on what you think is going on with them that's working well. I mean, they have to be super pleased. I don't think they saw themselves in this spot, and the pitching might not hold up, but they've got some hitters that look like they're going to be a part of this for the long run.

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Speaker 2: Weather Holt for sure. Jordan Walker slowed down a bit, but home run last night. He's had a great run here. And they have some pieces in place, no doubt. Mason, went Burlson, catcher Herrera. He has become a guy that you can look at as a long term fixture. The question is going to be their pitching, and they have the lowest strikeout rate in the league. I believe, lowest strikeout rate by both the starters and relievers, and that is their issue right now. They need to find more pitching. Now, what happens if they're in it do they quote unquote go for it or do they kind of stick to their plan? Probably a little both. But at the same time, this has been an encouraging start for them, and it's been really interesting too. I've noticed this over the years, and maybe Eric and Todd can speak to this. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes when you remove a big force from the clubhouse and you have a younger group, whether that guy who you removed is a good guy or not such a good guy. Even if he's a good guy, I should say, sometimes it lets the younger players blossom in a different way. And remember they traded at Contreras and Sonny Gray. No one would suggest any of those guys are bad guys, but sometimes their presence, their mere presence, is a little suffocating for the younger guys. And it seems to me the Cardinals are benefiting actually from those guys not being here anymore.

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Speaker 3: I see it in plenty of different places. I coach high school baseball, and I see some juniors that step up as seniors after the seniors are gone as really good leaders. And it's the exact same way in a big league clubhouse. Like there's no way anybody, there's no way Jordan Walker, and I'm not saying this happened Jordan Walker, wins or JJ Wetherholt this year would have told Nolan Aernado or like done anything to like disrespect Nolan Aernado, and that sometimes can get in the way of them like blossoming to be who they are, and then it ultimately leads over to success on the field.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're seeing now. Wood hold up depends on they're pitching. And again, this is not a swing and misgroup. So it's hard to imagine this day and age, the way the game is played, that they're going to continue doing this. But all power to of them and all compliments to them because no one really expected this out of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks fun. It looks like they're playing with house money, but then also just trying to develop and see what they've got going. So we'll watch it this weekend. Ken, we'll see on the broadcast. Thank you and have a good weekend.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you guys too.

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Speaker 1: A FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal with his Fair Territory back on Monday. I just listened this morning to the Thursday episodes, So if you want to catch that with some girl and Ken questions, dude in Dork of the Week, the whole deal. It is up and posted for you on all platforms. This is a fun Friday segment. You guys are going to enjoy this ready. So it's called digging trenches, hanging drywall, and shooting coyotes. How MLB's most anonymous team made ends meet. Spencer Nustbaum writes for The Athletic covering the Nationals, and he is the host of District Territory along with others, and he is fantastic. And this article is loaded with players that needed second jobs to make ends meet in order to get to the big leagues. I'm not talking about what they did in high school. I'm talking about them being adults and needing an extra job to be able to make things meet. I'm going to start with the name that you know the most, and he has struggled this year, but it's been a month. He's their highest paid players named Zach Ltel. Right, you go back and ten years ago he's drafted. They didn't have the minor league CBA where you get all the fancy, better pay and free housing and all that. So most of your income has to go towards your living and just trying to get by and be a big leaguer. So what did he do? First off, there's a story about him embroidering clothing and he said he would often get poked by the needles, so he'd be getting hurt. There was a great line in there about how he said his hands looked like a Jackson Pollock painting sometimes because it was so easy to grab a needle. And then he moved on to a job where a local anesthesiologist had a farm and a coyote problem and a little extra cash, and he would hire him and Lattel would work overnights, drive over there with a rifle and a thermal scope and he would police the coyotes and do what he's got to do so that the animals on the farm could survive most nights not having to fire a shot. Sixty bucks a night for doing that, and then he would do his off season training. So these are some of the jobs. There's a million others that are listed in here, and I'll mix them in throughout the conversation, but I wanted to start with a name, you know, and some odd jobs. But Kratz, you got to lead the sow for us you probably saw some things in the miners.

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Speaker 3: I mean saw some things. Yes, obviously guys do bartending, they'd do. I had a teammate in the minor leagues who we were playing in Double A, and he bought a push mower in New Hampshire and was push mowing three people's houses that were right down the street from the apartment that we were living in. Like that was how he was making a little extra cash to put money in his pocket. But I can speak from my from my standpoint, I signed for one thousand dollars and to play minor league baseball. When you're getting anywhere from eight hundred and fifty to I think my last year minor league baseball, I made twenty three hundred dollars a month and that's for five months and we started a family. You need to have jobs, so the off season. I never had a job during the season besides like making sure I did all the appearances that they were paying you for and a kind of like fifty dollars here or there. But my off seasons I can run through them. I went I went through every phase of construction in the off season. I did shipping and receiving. I gave lessons. I missed. I missed my son's first steps, our oldest son's first steps, because I came home from work, worked out, came back home to the house, which was a mile away from the gym, My got my supper, went to lessons, and when I was on my way to lessons, my wife called me on our one cell phone between the two of us, because we couldn't afford two cell phones. She called me from the house house phone and said, hey, Bradon just took his first steps. And I was like, but I shot my I shot my hand ten days before spring training started in two thousand and four with a nail gun. He was two and four maybe two thousand and five, with a nail gun. It glanced off the board and hit my hit my hand, I mean hammered it. Somehow it did not go in God's blessing. I have no idea how it didn't. But yeah, tons of odd jobs.

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Speaker 2: You do anything.

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Speaker 3: I took a fall in the big leagues for two thousand dollars. You think I'm not doing a little odd job here or there? One hundred percent?

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Speaker 4: Oh, you make me laugh. I love every second about that. I when I was in the minor leagues. I was. I signed up to be a substitute teacher. I did that little substitute action that would it, didn't you know for a little bit. Lessons lessons was a big one. I love doing lessons, but you know, any odds ends here, you know, helping you know, friends out moving stuff, but you know nothing to the point of what you did. Man, absolutely fantastic. That is That's incredible. So yeah, I mean I've heard of a lot of different things, but that that's a good one. Man, that was really good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you know Todd signed, you know, you get a larger signing bonus. You don't have to do that kind of stuff. You have to find things that like take up your time so you're not just playing video games and working out in the off season. But you know the one that I just thought of it when you talked about substitute teaching, I definitely never substitute taught. That would have I couldn't. I could handle kids for thirty minute during lessons, but not for a whole day. So thank you teachers for everything you do. But I had a degree from college from my school. I graduated. I pay for my college four years. No college, scholarship, anything like that. So I had a degree. So I had a business degree, and one off season it was freezing cold in Virginia and I was working for a mason. Well, you can't work. You can't do masonry when it's cold because the mortar in between the bricks or the stone or the block whatever you're doing will freeze and then it'll basically like bleach and it'll look different than the rest of the house. So you have to make sure you're not working in under freezing temperatures. So I went to a temp agency. I went to a temp agency and they started calling me for temp jobs. I never actually took one, but the one was I was supposed to be a flagman outside of a landfill, to be a like wave trucks through, wave people through. In Virginia, you can take your own stuff to the landfill and you don't have to just have a dump truck to take it or a trash truck to take it. And when I went in to do the temp agency, you do like the whole you fill everything out, all that stuff. One of the girls from the college that I went through, from the university that I went to, was working at the Temp Agency, and was like, why are you here? Don't you have it? Didn't you get a degree from And it was like, no, I actually have my degree, but I can't because I have all this and it was like it was one of those moments where you're like, what are you doing? Like maybe you shouldn't be playing minor league baseball? You're not really even doing that. Good ended, Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: It did, it worked out. These are the great stories. Good stuff, krats, really good. These are the great stories though, Todd Father. I'm telling you where you've got a team like the Washington Nationals that can get a feature done like this, And there are so many examps. So I gave you one with LTTL. I'll give you a few more while we're chatting here. Brad Lord he was on the show last year, I think right after he made his debut eighteenth round pick. Because these signing bonuses, Todd Father, I mean, the top ones in most of these stories is like one hundred ish, one hundred and twenty five grand. Yeah, you can't live off that for years and years as a minor leaguer, okay, so and half of that's going away right to Uncle Sam from the jump. So Brad Lord. Yeah, Sam Weell knows what he's doing. Christmas trees. He was hauling at home depot in the off season before he made the opening day roster. The next winter he was doing Oh then the next winter he's in the big leagues. So then he goes. I went from that to doing projects around the house, which was a little better for him. And then the point of this article two eventually gets to the fact that these guys are doing these jobs and it's a lot for them, and once they're able to get a little more cash, they actually become way for this shocker, better baseball players because they're able to focus more on what they're doing. And that's part of what hap and here where the minor leaguers got taken care of more in the last few years. Paxton Schultz, on the NETS fourteenth rounder, had enough money eventually to stop delivering packages in the Utah snow, and then he was able to work with a movement specialist, so they were able to go from I don't have enough money to just be a minor league or too, I can hire some private coaches to work with me and make me better at what I'm doing. I'll give you one more. Miles Michaelis did a little janitor work at a K through eight private school and he said that it was actually, you know, okay, except for the time that he said he had to clean up a nice pile of throw up in a science classroom and that was a quote terrible ordeal. Miles has had a very nice career and a lucrative one, but he said he's appreciative of every dollar based on what he had to do there. Sorry, one more, one more because I forgot about this one too. I love you know how the Varland Bros. They're both in the bigs right Gus is on the Naps. Louie's crushing it on the Blue Jays, and he was every day in the playoffs and right now he's been one of the best relievers in baseball to start the season. So they would work for their dad. He had a drywall company nine to five in the offseason. They would do their workouts at five in the morning until about eight thirty. Then they would do a full day nine to five. Both of the violence. It doesn't sound that bad, but the point is you're trying to compete against the best dudes in the world, right and for them. They are working a regular job that's not easy and doing two three hours of workouts in the morning to try and make it as a big league ballplayer.

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Speaker 4: Impressive, very impressive. I mean it's ultimately it's your life and you want to live at how you want. But at the same time, it's such short lived part of your life. You know, say you even get the ten years of major league baseball, you know that ten years it goes like that, and very few do. So you get five, Well, how are you going to be the best you know, person that you could be, or athlete in your profession that you can be. You gotta hump ass for better lack of terms. You got to get up at five. It's so hard. You know how hard it is for most of the world to get up at five o'clock. Got not me. I couldn't do that. Like it's hard. You got to go to bed at a certain hours. You got to try and eat the right way, and you got to live your life. And whether you've got a family, you got to make sure they're in the right places. Like things happen and we talk about all the times, Hey can you do this? Uh, something just came up. I got to go to school with my kids and not feeling good. Like there's instances where things come up and you just you know, when you're done playing and you're you know, you've said, or you've luckily able to say, I'm going to hang them up. You're gonna look back and be like, man, what a time I had and what I had to go through to get there. You know, pat yourself on the back. These things are really really remarkable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they are, and I'll give you I'm loving these dude. There's so many good sample. Spencer story is awesome. I encourage everyone to check it out. And also the New District Territory is a great, great show. PJ. Pohlan left hander in with the Nats. Drafted by the Rockies eleventh round eight years ago. Okay, ready for this list. Construction worker and most of the time he wasn't doing the heavy heavy lifting, but he was given some examples and digging trenches in Cape Cod for the construction company. He also did all of the following jobs between getting drafted and then eventually making it to the big leagues. Again, this is not like, oh, I'm in high school trying to make an extra buck or two. He did Uber driver, baseball coach, DoorDash driver baseball coach again, and Amazon employee, all of those while he was a professional baseball player, not in nineteen fifty, in like twenty sixteen. You know, like we're not talking about that long ago. I mean even later than that. Right, he was drafted eight years ago, so I don't have the year down, but we're in twenty twenty six so he drafted probably twenty eighteen. So this guy's still probably doing this stuff like in off seasons in twenty twenty two, twenty three, and then boom he makes it big league salary on the minimum. You're good, I agreed.

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Speaker 4: Pretty yeah, truly remarkable. I guess that that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Pretty cool, Yeah, very cool. So great story by Spencer. If there are any others that you've caught anywhere else, and you catch this after the fact you're watching this video, drop a comment for us. But I really like these stories.