Ep:88 You Can't Outrun A Dogman

Whatever predators out there can outrun, out maneuver any human being on two legs
any day of its life. So when when you hear an individual say,
for instance, I barely made it out, or you know, I barely
escaped, did you really barely escape or did it was just trying to get
you out of the area, Because you will never be able to outrun a
dog man, period. There's nothing you'll ever do to be able to outrun
a dog man if you got out, regardless of the so called perception of
the behavior behind it. So, MENI you were running and you heard this
thing snapping rowland, you know, roaring. If you got out, then
his intentions weren't to kill you because you got out. You can't outrun a
dog man. I'd like to welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads, mister Ricardo Sanchez.
You know, if you've listened to the show, you know that I keep
pretty grounded in the Bigfoot phenomenon. But I do have interests that run outside
of that one. And one of those interests that I really don't know much
about is dog man. And I put out a request this past week there
was anybody out there who had a dog man encounter story that they would like
to share to hit me up. And one of my former guests actually reached
out to me and said, man, you have to get Ricardo on your
show. You got to talk to this guy. And I reached out and
man, I was blown away by your story, you know, at least
as much as you told me. If you don't mind, first off,
welcome to the show, and if you could just you know, go back
over how you got started in this crazy subject. I've always been interested in
the cryptic community, you know, and the unknown when it comes to animals
and stuff like that. So even from a younger age watching shows on the
head to a big foot and stuff always interest me. Back then, there
was a lot of times where I was always in the woods because I always
loved the woods, always loved nature. And things may have happened back then,
but you know, when you're a child, when you're young, you
don't really think about those things. Now that as an adult and you've analyzed
and researched behaviors and patterns and whatnot, you know today I can say that
most likely, I'm not saying that it's an accurate statement, but most likely
some of the things that I've had happened to me when I was younger in
the woods how to be cryptive related And now as you grow older, you
know, you go through life always loving nature, always being in nature,
but not really seeking out cryptids because it was, you know, not on
your your radar pretty much. To move forward to the first time that I
had a situation that sparked interest on what in the world was that? Right?
This art was a little bit before, probably a week or two before
the information that I started to give to you, But it was where I
lived in Wisconsin, so I had already had a bigfoot experience in the northern
kettil Lorrains. At the time, my wife, my then wife, was
pregnant, so we had moved from where we were living in to an area
where it was mostly cornfields. We were very close to a marsh in Wisconsin,
the Horrorcon Marsh, one of the largest marshes in the state. So
one night I was out taking out my dogs and I kid you not,
I've heard coyotes all my life, I've heard wolves. This sounded identical.
This is funny, It sounded identical. I don't know if you remember the
movie American Werewolf in London, Oh yeah, of course when when the werewolf
would howl. Yeah, well they sounded just like that out this out in
the distance. And I had I had always heard once or twice some big
foot howls, but this was totally different, right, And I'm like,
what in the world was that? So I began to look up people information,
and you know, I got linked to it to two or three people.
I began to ask questions and whatnot, and I always got the the
run around or information I couldn't verify, and no one had like actual information
when it comes to the CRYPTI itself. And that led me like probably,
like I said, probably two or three weeks later, on my water,
my wife would drink bottle water, and so in the in the car we
had a bunch of containers of bottles, the ones you buy at Walmart.
So I went to the car to get that. I had a low headlamp,
but I've got to the car, I picked it up and I looked
behind me. There was some eye shine and it was coming towards me.
Like I said, back then, I thought it was a cat. We
had a straight cat that walked around there that we had seen. We assumed
it was the ex oder that lived there, who just left it behind.
But this thing is it's kind of a stray, so you wouldn't you call
it would run away. So that was odd to me how this cat was
walking towards me even though it was skiddish. So that sparked my curiosity.
So I'm taking up, you know, all these I don't know how you
call it, drugs or containers of water bottles out wee hid two or three
in the trunk. So I'm placing them on the floor and I'm seeing back
and it seemed slowly creeping up to me, and I'm looking back and playing,
what the hell is that? You know? What? What in the
world? And in my brain it's not no wild animals gonna walk to you,
you know. So I walked towards it, and I remember it just
started walking backwards while looking at me, like he could still see the eye
shine. But it's like going away from you now, right backwards. So
it's like, what in the world. So at one point I said to
myself, what you know? So I walked straight to it, and it
walked straight back, like backwards, just just moved backwards. I'm still seeing
the eye shine, and it got to a tree, and all of a
sudden, the eye shine are probably five six feet up off the ground,
so I'm assuming it just rather stood up and grabbed the tree. So now
it's looking at me. Now that kind of spooked me out because remember the
eye shine were lowered the ground and now they're high up. But you don't
hear you don't hear something climbing up five feet or safe feet. You saw
the eye shine all of a sudden go from down to up, and we
looked down in the country. So there's no streak lights. It was just
my headlamp and it wasn't very powerful, so I can't really see far far
away silhouetts and whatnot. It just gives you a light dim on the eye
shine. So I went back. I grabbed all the rest of the the
remaining you know, drug the water and bottom inside, and I came back
by then if I stepped backwards. When I did go towards it, I
remember it going up the tree completely up and you can shear the branches like
kind of break down. So whatever it was was was heavy enough to break
some branches, not massive branches, but it was it was breaking as it
was climbing up and like I said, I bought the drugs back, came
back outside by then it was gone, whatever it was, came back down
the tree and left. That was like the first what in the world was
that? You know, you can't really quite make you out of it,
but it was just what in the health Right that same week, my neighbor
and I we we were going to go get some stuff and you know how
you buy stuff in the marketplace. During that process, I was telling him
about just jokingly around, you know, to be careful all at night because
there was something creeping around the property. And I said, as a joke,
you know, yeah, And all of a sudden he begins to tell
me his story and apparently that during that week, you know, from the
time I saw it to the time that Sunday. In between that week,
he tells me that his him and his wife wouldn't walk. They had kind
of had a little argument, so they wanted to walk and talk it out.
You know. Now to the house, there's a trail, and that
trail leads to the whole kind of marsh. So that trail is I mean,
it's probably half a mile. And so he was telling me that he
heard something some things paralleling him in the bushes the trees, and they were,
you know, walking beside him. His wife got scared. You know,
his wife wasn't really much of an outdoors person, so having this thing,
it could have been a rat for whatever purposes, but she would have
gotten scared anyways, but she was really scared. Being religious, they had,
you know, she asked her husband to pray. So they had prayed,
you know, you ever strings get him out of this because she was
getting scared. And they got out of the trail into the road that led
to the house, and as it walking, he'd be members hearing clicking sounds.
But he turned around and he saw nothing because he kept on hearing things.
He had a flashlight on him, so he turned it and looked back,
and he tells me he sees five sets of eye shine, and one
of them was red. The other ones were like, you know, golden
ambush, kind of cold color. But he saw those sets and I asked
him, how all off the ground do you think these things were or the
eye shine, and he said, well, probably about six or seven feet.
So honestly, by then I know for a fact they're not kyotes,
right, yeah, But then he began to describe some weird noises and so
again I'm not thinking dog mat at the precise moment, I'm thinking more bigfoot.
So I got to the like the YouTube channels and looked up bigfoot owls
and you know, noises and whatnot. And by then we had stopped to
eat, and so we were sitting down talking normally, and he'd eat and
looked at me and say, no, that wasn't it. No, no,
no, that wasn't it. No, that wasn't it. And back
then, uh it was. It was. Uh. I'm assuming it's still
up the North American Dogminant Project website. So there was there was like three
or four recordings from supposed eyewitnesses, and once a year of the third recording,
you can literally see him drop what he was eating, looked at me
in a dead stare, and he got goosebumps all over and said, yes,
that's it. And my brain went, like, are you eat me?
So you're saying we got dog men in the property? What you know?
And like I said, it was it was a crict that you hear
about, but you don't quite you know, it's not you can believe,
you can readily believe about bigfoot, but a dog man, you know,
you know, so I kind of questioned him more on how it looked,
you know, on what happened that night and whatnot, and we left it
at that for a whole year and a half. I would say it began
every other or every weekend. It would begin every weekend, and then it
extended to every other weekend. Normally it would be like a Thursday Friday it
would start and by Satary, Sunday, sometimes Monday, depending. We had
certain activities in the yard and you can clearly see where they were crouched down
or where they had moved. At one point, they even moved the I
had two ten by ten kennels where the dogs were at and obviously, you
know they're tightened with you know, they're tightened with back and whatnot. And
one of the panels was pushed in, which was interesting because we had some
individuals from the North American Dominant Project come to the property to talk about the
encounter and whatnot. And one of the people, one of the people that
came came, tried to push the panel back straight and he couldn't do it.
Trust me, I'm trying to tell you that that wasn't my dog because
this guy was like six foot something, you know, you're two hundred and
thirty pounds individual. He couldn't get it straightened back up, and so obviously
an eighty pound dog isn't going to do that to it, and it was
they had done it from the outside. They leaned on it, I guess,
and pushed it, so I just bend inside. But anyways, so
you know, during that whole year, we had multiple activities in the property.
I remember one day we had a I guess the time where the fear
factor came in so strong I thought I was about to die. It was
one night. What led up to that was my wife had accidentally started a
house fire, so my parents were coming over to visit. They had seen
They hadn't seen my son for a while, so I had to kind of
remodel the kitchen, take out the vinyl flooring, put new vinyl floor in,
change the tabinets. So that night I had I was not working.
We had managed to take out prior the whole vinyl. So that day we
just you know, installed the vinyl and I had taken all the cabinets outside.
At one point, I'm looking for my utulity knife to cut the edges,
and someone, my wife says, I think you left the inside the
cabinet outside. So I walked outside. Now, mind you, on the
back of the house, all you have is darkness and corner fields plus the
yard of the property. So all you have is the light from inside the
house. You know, since the shade was open, the light comes out
because there was a sliding door, you'd see the back glare right a couple
of feet from the house. But as far as as long as you get
to walking out, you get darker and darker and darker. So I went
to the cabinet, and as soon as I got to the cabinet, this
feeling of emint doom just came over me. This light, you're about to
die, this this fear, it just overwhelmed me. And through past experiences
both in the woods and incorrections, the first thing I did was I turned
around really quickly, and as soon as I turned around, there was a
white dog man who had kind of peeked out of the side of the house
and peeked back in, so then I can only see probably half of his
face, slightly slight of his shoulder, and that was it that led me
to look back to the front. There's one in front of me. My
brain is telling me there's one in front of you, and sure enough,
in the dark, you see an outline of one coming towards you. And
my emotions were telling me the one in front of you is what's causing you
to feel this way. So I put my back towards the house. But
I did that. Now I'm seeing three more coming out of the corner field
slowly, so now it's a holy crap moment. I got five. So
you're just surrounded at this point. Yes, with my back to the house,
I still have this strong feeling of eminent doom. And my brain was
saying, you know, was begin to think about my family. It's inside.
I have like a one one and a half year old baby and my
wife's inside. If I stream or call for them, the doors are gonna
come open and ship might go back. Yeah, don't ask me how or
what. It's something most correctional officers have gone through. But it's like the
all of a sudden, the the the fear factor left and it's time to
fight. So you kind of blocked all emotions and I remember grabbing the youtute
knife from inside the cabinet now I'm not saying that I was. My brain
was saying I want to fight five dog melally tooting knife, but at the
moment that was the only weapon that I had, so that's what I grabbed.
Yeah, you know, and I remember, and I remember saying this,
and I said this twice, And for people who may ask me,
I said this pretty much incite myself out to say to myself, you know,
let's do this. It wasn't I wasn't thinking about if they you know,
that I thought they understood me, or if they thought I thought that
they must have comprehended me. No, I said it because I was in
a state of mind of let's go. So I was just pretty much talking
to myself. Once I got I remember saying twice, this is my house
back off. By then I had stood up erect, not in a threatening
posture but like more of a neutral posture of whatever's going to happen is going
to happen. Let's go. But when I did that, the one in
front of me just like stopped and the feeling began to leave. And when
I kind of looked back again really quickly, I did not see the white
one and the ones too that would have been at that moment in time,
towards my left were the ones that were coming towards me from the cornfield.
They had stopped, and all of a sudden, they started walking slowly back
into the cornfields because we were surrounded by my cornfields and they left. I
grabbed my you know, I grabbed my senses, walked into the house,
closed the door, and the sliding door had a it was on top of
the lips, like a six inch lip, so you got to step down
and because of that lip, so I sat on that lip, I was
shaken. I mean literally I was trying to not shake so not to cause
my wife to think there's something wrong. But that didn't happen because my wife
came out of the bathroom and she's walking past the kitchen into the living room
area. She stopped the double take, looked at me and literally asked me,
what's going on? Are you okay? And I only told her was
yeah, I'm fine. I think I'm just tired. I'm gonna finish this
right now and go to bed, and that's what I did. But I
learned something that night that has helped me throughout my research. That's I think
that's the moment in time that I tried to look into social media. I've
never been a social media guy. Even in that moment in time, I
wasn't even active just in normal social media. I don't, I don't.
I never seen myself as as an active person on social media. But I
wanted to figure out information so I can help myself because I was living there.
So the idea of I want to pack my family to leave, you
know, I had five dogs, a child, a wife. It's not
you can't just pick up and leave right right. So the whole thought was,
Okay, what can I do to rather, you know, make things
better, make sure that I'm able to walk outside and not get eaten or
attacked. And that became my life goal was to learn behavioral patterns. In
the beginning, I, like anybody else, you know, you start reading
stuff that people written out, or you listen to the podcasts. And I
do remember the first podcast that I ever began to read to listen to was
Dogma Encounters, and I began to see patterns there that by your twentieth thirtieth
encounter you kind of already knew the outcome of what was going to happen next
be just things just began to correlate, and everything there was the same pattern,
the same process. Sure by, you know, today, I would
say to myself when looking or listening to podcasts, well, probably the story
is just you know, made up by a whole bunch of different individuals that
listen to other podcasts or listen to other encounters. But back then it was
awfully fresh, so I wasn't looking at it like that. And sure enough,
those patterns again is information that I used in my research up until today.
Every every year, every day, every month, every every breath,
you get in more information and more information. But I've gotten this information from
the field. At one point in time, I stopped listening to podcasts.
I stopped reading you know, books and whatnot about law or or or you
know this and legends. Not because they weren't interesting, or not because I
may have not been able to find some information on it, but simply because
what I was living and what I was seeing the field didn't correlate to what
I was reading. So I just stopped. I just stopped reading them,
and I just evolved myself into the woods, you know, and doing things
can get closer to understanding and how they behave and how they process things versus
just being scared of a cryptid right, and that that led me down a
path of getting to know many witnesses that I've worked personally with who have helped
a lot throughout the years. I've helped a lot of farmers, a lot
of individuals personal who have you know, own holes, whatever, colle exist
peacefully and been able to stop the bad activity, which at the moment it
seems like bad activity. Once they realize what's going on, it's just it's
it seems like a normal response once they realize, oh, that's it,
you know, and then they do these little things and that's it, right,
so called back stops. I mean, it can be a lot to
process. I mean, whenever you're you know, encountering one of these things,
I can only imagine. I've never encountered a dog man. So the
first place a normal person's mind goes is like, oh my god, this
is a monster. Yes, and therefore everything that it's doing is it's trying
to get me, it's trying to hurt me. Right, how long ago
was that encounter when you found yourself surrounded, Oh, several years ago.
It'd be a lot longer than five I think five years a lot more than
five years. So you've been doing this for a while at this point.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. By now I've seen I
physically have seen dog men from Arizona, New Mexico, Georgia, Tennessee,
Wisconsin, Illinois is the east coast, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and some other
states in between. So these things are in that sense similar to bigfoot,
as they're just everywhere. Basically, if you can find a big foot,
you're probably going to find a dog man. Going back to that initial thing,
like, Okay, so you're surrounded. Are they all on two legs
or are they on four legs? What do they look like? Comparable to
like, you know, the stereotypical werewolf from the movies or are they different?
So interesting question, they were on two legs, what they look like?
You you will have different appearances different Some will have a bigger head,
some will have bigger cheek muscles, some will have longer arms, shorter arms.
Some will stand up taller. Some will have a hump, some will
don't. Some some high hind legs are longer than others. Some will have
shorter digits, longer digits, you know, uh, some will have their
their thumb more up place, more higher up than down, you know,
compared to a human. It's like it's like trying to have a combination between
and again this is this is gonna sound because I'm trying to describe something that
most people have not seen. So to get to the idea of what you're
looking at, you're gonna be looking at if somebody took and threw a wolf,
uh uh, a skinny big foot, you know, into the concept.
Some of them will have longer tails than others. Someone have little short
tails. Some of them will have a tat like tail. Some of them
are tall, some of them are not. Some of them are wide,
some of them are are not. In Minnesota, it's been the tallest I've
ever seen. It actually was the tallest and the first time I ever saw
blue eyeshine. They're scary to this to some to some of them kind of
look ugly. They they're kind of deformed. You look at that way because
they're eyebrow ridges and their their cheek muscle, their cheekbones are protruding. Sometimes
some of them have more they're more covered in hair than than than others.
Uh So, if you look at some that have more hair or more cover
than others might look totally different or more appealing, like some might might say
it looked it beautiful or looked prettier. It was it was a beautiful creature
versus some that might call them, you know, ugly or demonic looking or
whatnot because of those features in the face. Some of them might have patches
of hair that are missing, but their extremities are long, their arms are
long. Again, some of them can be like you're you know, your
gorilla type muscle or you're you're you're skinny monkey, you know, so they're
skinnier. Some of them might have longer high legs or their their femur,
they're from their knees to their hip is longer then you would think, you
know, for a canine or for a human. Some of them will have
were their hots, bends might be longer or shorter. So it's just it's
a variety. But I would I would say to you look at the top
of your head. Imagine having a wolf combined with a skinnier bigfoot. Their
ears are more attached to the side to the side of their heads versus like
on top of their heads, which you'll have longer ears than you have shorter
ears. In Wisconsin, our team saw one with like fox type ears,
so they were short. So you have a lot of variations, and I
think that's the variations that we have lead or you know, have led the
community to put out the so called list of you know, the hyena type
or the soldier type or you know, all these different types of dog men,
when in reality they're all the same with different appearances. And then nowadays
as I looked at as I read some comments in a group, you know,
one was calling was to have a hump, orn't dog man, or
this and that. But then you see in the field how mom and dad
one can have a hump and one doesn't. Yet their ospin continue to breed
and produce, which tells you that they're from the same species, because if
you have a highbred, normally the hybrid is is sterile ye reproduce. So
the fact that these are still producing, these ospi are still producing tells you
that they're from the same species. They just have different appearances. Same with
the color and Illinois, I saw a pipad or you know, brown white
and like a grayish color. I've seen some the one in Wisconsin. The
one one of the five I'm gonna assume she was. She was the alpha,
was black with she had a white stripe. They came from both sides
of her ears down to her chest, which is a marking that you know,
normally you don't see and wildlife and I and by that, I mean
by that, I mean your typical wildlife are all one color, right unless
you get to unless you get to the jungles, and then you have you
know, your leopards and your cheetahs and whatnot. But a black bear is
normally black. You know, it might have some white, but on average,
they're just black and brown. And you know, you have your blonds,
but they're all solid colors. A grizzly bear, you might have different
shades of reds, but they're just the same color. These guys just happen
to have multiple patterns and varieties of colors. Why that is I have the
slightest idea when you're going back to you know, then we're on two legs
or on four something that another researcher that I call a good friend of mine's
pointed out and through the years, as you see in the field, being
on two legs is a defensive mechanism, right, just like a bear.
Just like a bear goes on two legs. When they're in that defensive stance
or mechanisms, they will make themselves taller, so they will get on two
legs. If it's a young individual, you might not hear the snap,
crackle pop that you would hear in the past. The older ones that spend
more time on four, and most of them spends most of their days on
four. There's just younger ones are always climbing trees, are always jumping or
you know, doing all these things, so they're they're always going from two
to four, four to two. But a lot of your older ones,
if there's no circumstances in which they're going to get defensive, they're going to
be on fours. And if they're on force for a long time. Imagine
you if you were sitting down for a for a long period of time watching
TV. What happens when you get up? Your back hurts. At my
age, everything hurts, I snap, I pop. It's horror, right,
So when you snap them, pop is the accumulation of liquids in between
your joints. So when you stand up, that bubble pops, so you
have an older dog man that's standing up because for whatever reason, then you're
going to hear the snap, crackle pops versus a younger one that's always,
like I said, you know, playing on two legs or climbing up a
tree or doing whatever else they might do. Then their joints are never having
an accumulation of liquids because they're always in motion. But they're standing up is
mostly a defensive mechanism. So if you see a dog man standing up,
if anybody is in the woods or whatever and they see a dog man standing
up, know to warrior guard and step away and leave. You know,
ten fifteen years ago, dog man was hardly a thing. You would hear
stories every once in a while trickle over into the bigfoot world. And obviously,
if you study folklore at all, were wolves and dog man type creatures
have been prominent in history, but you did not have the popularity in the
subject that you have today by any means. And now you have, you
know, research groups and podcasts dedicated to the subject, and you hear a
lot of stories on these podcasts like you were talking about, where the vast
majority of them these things are aggressive, they're killers, they're out to get
you. What's your opinion on that. Are they really just these bloodthirsty killers
like a lot of people claim, or are they just something natural that just
happens to look scary to some people, something that's something that happens to look
scary to some people. If they were bloodthirsty killers, there wouldn't be any
witnesses to tell their story. Any predator out there can outrun a human being,
right, Lions, bears, whatever predator's out there can outrun, out
maneuver any human being on two legs any day of its life. So when
you hear a individual say, for instance, I barely made it out,
or you know, I barely escaped, did you really barely escape or did
it was just trying to get you out of the area. Because you will
never be able to outrun a dog man, period. There's nothing you'll ever
do to be able to outrun a dog man if you got out, regardless
of the so called perception of the behavior behind it. So meaning you were
running and you heard this thing snapping, growling, you know, roaring,
if you got out, then his intentions weren't to kill you because you got
out. You can't outrun a dog man through the years I've learned and again
I've even called in dog man. Dog man is inherently non aggressive. This
is what my experience, my research has shown me, and it has shown
others as well. They're not inherently aggressive. They are territorial, but they're
not inherently aggressive. Now, the problem is you act stupid and you're gonna
get stupid prizes. A dog man is like in that aspect, right,
And I'm not saying that they're this, but in that aspect, if you
do something to a dog man, he's going to follow you, find out
who you are, what you're doing, what's your purpose in his mind,
and if you continue to act stupid, bad things are going to happen.
But again, who started the problem. It wasn't a dog man. It's
just that their intelligence are higher than what most people. You know, those
that don't know much pursue so they as it's a wolf. For no,
it's not a wolf, it's not a coyote, it's not a bear.
Right. A dog man can do a lot of things that your smartest primate
can do. In a little bit more so, you have that intelligence into
a very uh and a molistic instincts behind it. Okay, So, but
they're not. Again, if they were really bad, with the amount of
dog man that I have seen people talk to and whatnot, people would be
dead and you wouldn't have any any any encounters whatsoever because the person would be
dead to tell the encounter. So I'm sure you've done this before, at
least in your mind. Over the years, you've talked about helping people and
the process of you know, dissecting what their encounters are and their experiences and
figuring out why it's happening, how to stop it from happening or change the
outcome. So let's look at your own encounter that night that you were surrounded.
What was going on there? Now that you have the knowledge that you
have all these years later, how would you dissect your own encounter that night?
Okay, So dis secting my own encounter. My neighbors, they would
live right next to me, We're having arguments all night, including he would
sleep in his car every so often because they would have a fight, you
know, and he'd just go to his car to sleep the night. The
day bothered me. It just happens that I was using power tools, and
power tools can be irritating to their ears, and so I tell people when
I heard it once, you want to go outside with you know, to
do dog man research with a dog whistle on the side. He doesn't want
to quite do that. And the one person that did do it, he
had to get in his car and leave. It was a combination between the
power tools and my neighbors arguing mostly every other night. So you might think,
well, what does that have to do with dog man? Right,
So through the year, in this encounter, I would have to explain,
you know, explain not nice ex Yeah, explain this encounter so you can
understand where the process of this theory started. Right. It was It was
an Illinois I had spent probably a week tracking down encounters in a specific area
and looking at rivers and forests and the people's encounters from top to bottom in
this particular area. And it had it was fall. It was February,
I believe it was February and eighteen maybe quite it was February, so it
had rained the night before, and it wasn't too cold. I've remember been
outside with just a sweater for some peris in that year. It wasn't too
cold there. But I was with a friend of mines and as we were
driving around looking at the different spots where people had had an encounter or a
situation, you know, they heard weird noises or whatnot. When we got
to an area where the first encounter happened, he tells me, and this
is where so and so smelled something bad. Then I'm driving and I said,
what what did you say? Well, this is where we're so and
so, you know, smelled something really awful. So there's a parking lot
Thereius it was a dock to get into the river. And I went in
there, drove and there's a trail that leads around the park. So me
and him got, you know, off the car. We left our stuff
in the car, besides my phone, so I had parabolics in there.
I had recorders in the car. I left all that in the car.
I fight myself for that, but I left it on the car. So
we started walking and I said to him, you know, let's look for
for footsteps. Because it rained the day before, the ground would have been
slightly mushy. As we were walking the trail, he begins to get this
this sickness feeling right in the stomach. He's looking around and he's telling me
that because he's walking with a stick and he's getting his feeling. Don't you
feel that. I know, I'm fine, And I said, power through
it. You know, we're not going to go far. He did.
He powers through it, you know, and he kept on walking in his
sickness or his feeling, the feeling of being safe. Left. We got
to an area and there was a slight impression in the ground, not fully
for us to realize what it was, but it wasn't human because of the
shape of it. As we were coming back down, the trail has a
dip. That dip in the summer. Once you get in that area,
it's kind of marshy. But because it was it's cold right cold enough now
you're able to walk on that because the ground was hard from the day before,
from the days before, but it was also you had a lot of
footprints from DERs and whatnot. And I, you know, went down the
slope and started walking on that area. All of a sudden, as I'm
walking there, I look up and I see this big black head within the
dry grass. The minute I started telling, you know, my buddy gay
gay behind me, behind me, look behind me, and I point behind
me, and so he started to figure out what what what what? What?
Look behind me? Is there's something there? So he points, you
know, he starts looking all a sudden hear to say he's right there.
He's right there. So like Glint's back and I see him pointing with his
stick. So I had a dog man in front of me, a dog
man behind me, and these guys began to semi circle. So the one
that was behind me, which now is in my right side, is going
in a circle towards my left hand, and the one that was at my
left side was going to my right side. And they're going back and forth,
and they're making these strange popping sounds, and you know they're you can
hear the popping, you can hear the swish between the you know, the
trees and the grass and the dried up vegetation. So Day goes and says,
I think you let to get out of there. So I started stepping
backwards while still looking forward. And I stepped back. I got to the
to the ridge to get back on that trail, and i'm i'm, i'm,
i'm I'm upset. I'm cussing, and I'm like, start it,
damn it. I have nothing that I need to record this because it was
an obvious of the vocalizations and the popping sounds and all this other stuff.
So I said, screw it, I want to go back, and I
grabbed my phone, I put it on plane, I put it on my
chest and I walked out and it's one as I walked out, and I
have it recorded. You hear this? And I stopped gaving the baggalls there
you go, and it went silent. Now what was interesting was this was
at one point thirty in the afternoon, and from where I was standing,
I can see homes. Why with two cryptis who are supposedly you know this
elusive creatures are making a ruckus when you have probably about four homes on that
street right there at one thirty in the afternoon. So, using my common
sense right dealing with animals all my life, I said, the only way
a creature, an animal, a human is going to act up this way
is if he's defending a den or your ones. That was what came into
my head. So then I went back and I began to PM every darn
eyewitness that I ever talked to and asked them because by then I had a
somewhat idea of when the pups would hit the ground right. So I get
to ask all these individuals during your encounter, did you ever see a younger
dog man? And every single one of them said, yes, what's going
on here to this one thirty When I first got into the cards one thirty
in the afternoon, they were acting up stupid. There's houses there, And
then you had to talk to some witnesses and then realized that there was then
type structures deep in the properties that the owners simply never went too because they
thought it was something else, so they just left it, left it b
And then one day, as I'm thinking about all this, all of a
sudden, you remember the the the documentary of Maine of the family that got
surrounded one night, the Paul Mayers Encounter. Okay, that show or that
documentary popped in my head. All of a sudden, days have already passed,
and I'm, like I said, my brain is trying to figure stuff
out here, and that documentary popped into my head. This house had been
not occupied, they rented it. Her daughter stumbled upon a den. That
night the dog man came to the house. Did they break into the house?
Did they kill the husband? No? And by morning they had done.
They left looking at that and realizing, well, wait a minute,
So they're building dens near homes, and that was corroborated by some witnesses who
have what I'd seen then type structures deep in the woods where they were living
in. But they always let them alone. So now this now I was
looking for a reason. So why would if they were having puffs near the
homes? What's going on that's causing them to all of a sudden come to
the homes and let's use the words harass the home. And in every single
case, and I say this, every single case, something that was disturbing
the atmosphere of the environment was going on. Rather it was positive or not
so, meaning in every case from east coast to east to west coast,
from north to south, including European countries, something was happening. And the
moment in time where the dog decided to come scope out the situation could have
been as difficult as a difficult divorce. You I'll use as an example,
difficult divorce. Why would that because if I had puffs near your home right,
normally a difficult or bad divorce brings in streaming arguments more people because now
somebody is moving out right more more, your kids probably crying and whatnot.
A lot of commotion. Well, if I have puffs near your home,
that's going to trigger me to find out what's going on. Normally, this
this area is peaceful. This is why I put a den back there,
because this area is peaceful and quiet. Right, Normally they just coming to
figure things out, to figure out what's going on. A lot of times,
the problem, you know, the family problem, subsides within a week
or two, and the problem goes away. There's no more peekabooing in the
window, there's no more knocking at the doors or trying to open the door
knob unless it continues now once they leave. And this this shows me in
my reason or that they've been there for a long time and they know the
eyewitness, because once the problem subsides, the eyewitness then begins to see pups
somewhere in uh you know, late spring, early summer. What a living
creature, and I don't care what living creature it may be allow their young
ones to frolic wrong or be around an area that they feel uncomfortable with.
Of course, not exactly so if a dogmin is allowing its puffs to walk
around in your yard at nighttime, to be around your property to the point
that the eyewitness is seeing them and can tell the difference between adults and the
pups. That that means that dog man understands that it's hosp ring, it's
safe. I mean, are there situations where property owners have some sort of
relationship with the dog man near their property? Yes, and relationship, I
mean that there has been many and I have one case now it's been over
five six years that I've been working with the eyewitness. There has been many
farmers who have had coexistence with them to the point where they can just go
outside, they'll see them, They'll keep doing their things. We've had situations
where dog men just lays out and cover and watches somebody do their guarding.
We had some that grown the property so much and it actually waits to mimic
the kids coming out of the school buses and goes back into the woods.
We've had many situations where they'll come and kind of heard the deer in a
certain you know, during the winter time, they'll heard the deer towards the
property owner because the property owner leaves out food corn for the deer. They're
seen in the trees kind of like you know, hurting the deer from the
top to you know, from top of the hills or whatnot, towards the
property owner. And obviously they use that as food source. But there's been
there's a lot of stories where there's a coexistence and a respect. Now I
am not saying that there's been a case where a person goes outside, Hey,
Johnny, come here, I want to pet you. No, I'm
not saying that, right, but there are places where there's a coexistence and
a protection of the property when they're strangers in that property. I was just
going to say, you've talked about patterns and behaviors, and you know,
I know I've been off the quiet, but I'm just absorbing everything you're saying.
And one of the things I'm noticing right off the bat is a lot
of the things you're talking about are very similar to some of the things in
the bigfoot world. So let's just say a property owner starts noticing strange things
on their property. Something's going on. What are some of the differences to
determine that it's a dog man and not a bigfoot? I would say vocalizations,
But but then again, bigfoot can also mimic things climbing on top of
the roof. There's certain vocalizations that I've never heard of bigfoot or have known
a bigfoot to do them that I've experienced. Some of them are recorded.
But then again, like I said at the beginning, if you find a
bigfoot, chances are you will find a dogment around. And if each one
mimics each other, then you probably have the same outcome. For me,
like in my property, unless I have a dog man track, then I'll
never say I have a dogment on the property. Dog man responds more animalistic.
I'm gonna say that a bigfoot, so he's gonna respond more with that
territorial aspects. But he's gonna turn, he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna wake
you up. If he's there in the window, he's gonna be tapping at
your window and you'll hear the darn claw, you know, the his his
his his claw tap at the window versus the finger. There's a difference right
between the finger and the nail. With him, with them, it'll be
the nail is the first thing out. There's clicking sounds that they make when
they're like in anxiety type stress while looking at people or situations. That sounds
like if you if you, if you google, uh, cat clicks with
the mouth similar to that. Just amplify it. Okay, So they make
those sounds where when you're like anxious, when they when they're anxious, are
they're observing you and they're like in the woods and they're trying to they're there.
Their state of mind is like you know, autious, anxious, et
cetera. You will hear you begin to hear these clicking sounds, except their
loud honestly, and then their patterns. Well, bigfoot can do this too,
though they're always in sync or synchronized. So if a dog man has
there's a family there and you hear them at night, one of another another
vocalization that that you'll hear is it sounds like the predator. Sound like literally
that sound. And then you'll you'll have the vocalization in one and then you'll
have footsteps going around where that noise is coming from. And then that individual
follows the rest. But again bigfoot are seeable doing that too. Uh So
unless you have a visual I want to say, to be one hundred percent
shirt, you gotta have a visual so you can have situations where people think
they're dealing with Bigfoot, but they're actually dealing with dog man and vice versa,
right without a visual sighting. Yes, howls are very are Paul tail
howls right, Yeah, when big Foot. When Bigfoot howls, you'll have
a humanistic type howl. Yeah, it's deep, it's loud, whatever,
but you can tell that when a dog man howls, it's like a canine
howl, except this amplified a thousand, but you'll still hear that canine tone
to it versus a bigfoot howl. Does that makes sense? Yeah? For
instance, Dawning came to my property and they kind of told him that he
wasn't welcomed, and one of the howls that you heard was like if it
was right next to his to his window, and you know, amplified,
which is common because of their size and whatnot, but it's it's very their
house. Their howl. Howl are very canine, and you can kind of
if you've been out there enough, you can tell. But again, if
somebody doesn't know dog man, doesn't know Bigfoot, unless you have a sighting,
you I mean, you're not going to really, unless you see a
footprint on the floor, you're not going to really notice or know that you
have one or the other. You have a lot of experience with dogs,
Yes, are there like distinct similarities that you've noticed with dog men and their
behavior and then just regular men's best friend canines that we're all used to.
I mean, do they behave canine or are they living in packs? I
call them clans. And the reason I call I call them clans is because
years ago and they began to study, I realized that a lot of the
alphas are females, really hyenas. The alpha is a female. He's bigger,
she's stronger. So I use and I use that term clan versus pack
because of that information that I was getting and seen. So they have plans,
they have family clans. You know, normally the average i'd say five
mom, dad and three pups. The pups normally stay stay with the family.
One or two might grab a sister and walk off, but that's not
normally the norm Normally, if there's two, you'll have a total five.
But there are areas where there is a lot more than five. We have
whole generations in that area and all obviously that all depends on food sources and
whatnot. Like a straight dog, if they find your area peaceful and whatnot,
and you accidentally have left food outside for them, you know, And
I say accidentally because a lot of people feed their dogs outside or grill outside,
and then they go to sleep and they just think the raccoon is eating
the food or whatnot, and it happens to be them. They're hard for
you to get rid of them, just like a straight dog, because they've
learned that there's a food source here, right, So there's a whole process
to get them to leave without getting them upset to the fact that you know,
hey, you've always left it for me, why aren't you leaving it
now? So they get pissed off like Bigfoot does. Oh yeah, huh
yeah to some degree. To to some degree, yes, if you are
constantly by For instance, perfect example of a case in Georgia, the guy
had a pit bull and then every night he'd bring the pit bull inside,
but he would leave the bowl outside, and the bull always had left over
foods. Was the dog that ever ate off? Besides, because it was
Georgia, it wasn't so cold, so the guy would still grill like his
hamburgers or his steaks outside, and he would leave like the fats on the
grill. He always thought that it was the raccoons and whatever eating up the
his his stuff and the dog's food. And so one day, because he
was having problems with his wife, he began to go fishing. Honestly,
by then it was you know, ball or whatnot. And one day he
went inside, his wife started arguing with him. He walks outside, and
sure enough there's a dog man beside his truck trying to snatch his fish from
the back of his pickup truck. And let's just say, without being overly
aggressive, the dog man pretty much you know, said this is my fish,
leave me the hell alone. And then okay, so the guy stepped
back, let him have the fish, and off the dog man went.
No problems with him. I got the fish, I'm all. But when
the food stores began to dwindle because he wasn't fishing much because he was having
problems with his wife. So now the process with him was to desensitize the
dog man to not having food while fixing the whole commotion problem to get the
dog man to stop. And this is when they began to herd the deer
to his yard, which then made him continue to feed continuously, and that
provided them a food source without them having to mess with his property. But
every case is different. And like I tell people, because in the past,
they would some people and this is why I like stop giving info to
people on Facebook groups and whatnot, because they would give what I would tell
somebody to do to somebody else. And it's like no, no, no,
no, no, no no no no. What I tell John Doe
is not what I want to tell Jane Doe, even though both scenarios look
alike, because there's a different group, there's a different plan. There might
be other, you know, hidden agendas on in there that people do not
know which because of those hitting agendas, now I have to switch. Oh
okay, why am I and do this, this and this. They can
be like stubborn and leaving once they found that they have a a a source
of satisfaction, meaning they find something that benefits them. Have you talked to
a witness or handled in an investigation where things were getting really bad, like
the dog man came in the house or anything, or was the person was
actually in danger? Oh yeah, the Georgia guy. Uh, the dogman
be answered to. He had he had driving to work once he shot it
in the chest. He was he was driving home from work and he was
running with two or other clan members in a field and he literally stopped his
truck, took out his gun and shot it in the chest. Obviously he
did into it. But that dog man now is a little bit ticked off
because of dude, you just shot me, right. What helped him was
that there was more positive in his property than negative. But this dog man
tried to break in or not. I won't say break in, because he
could have breaken if he wanted to, but he would turn the door knobs,
you know, and try to get in. And one day, I
remember, he tells me that he remembers there was a kid who were in
the house and this king was trying to get in, and he literally took
his gun, ran to the door, opened it and the dog man was
face to face with with his barrel. And the dog man finished back,
looked at him, mumble, growled something, and then jumped into the woods
and left. That's when he when I stepped in to intervene. There was
another case in Massachusetts, so there was a biologist that I knew her friend
was having problems with a dog man. This dog man, when they called
me up, had already begun or had already taken out the shingles of on
top of the roof and was beginning to make a hole on top of the
roof to get in. Oh wow. So when she calls me up,
her her friend didn't want to talk to me because she was in the nerves
wreck. You know, she had carpenter's there trying to fix the patch because
he was already breaking off the pywood to get in. So I started asking
the thousand questions that I asked about environment and a bunch of other things.
And you know, one of the questions that I asked because her her son
had just moved in, so I had one of the questions was had her
son been abusive towards her? The biologists didn't want to ask her the order
acause that's the private question. So I said, I have to know,
has her son been abusive to her? Has her son been drinking? Has
her her son been doing drugs? If has has he been causing you know
this from the parties in the house. I gotta know. Oh, I'm
not gonna ask her that. So it took me a while before I convinced
her. Finally, what got her to ask her was, I bet you
the amount of money. The whole that he's doing at the top of the
roof is over his bedroom, so damn it, asked her. And sure
enough, the minute he asked her, she comes back, calls me up
and says, you were foking ready, The hole he was making was over
his bedroom. He wanted the guy because the guy was getting drunk, doing
drugs, making parties and getting drunk with his friends in the yard. And
this was the interruption of the environment that the dog man wanted to stop.
And the cause of that interruption, the cause of all this mumbo jumble was
him. And because it wasn't stopping, he was going to do it his
own damn self. He was trying to get through the roof to get to
the guy. Wow. Once I told the biologist, you want this to
stop, now, she has to kick his son, her son out the
house like now. And sure enough, as I applied to you now,
she told her that she made the decision because she was she was scared.
She kicked her her son out and her son was already a full grown adult.
You know, he was like in his late thirties, early forties.
And sure enough, once the guy left, She says that the dog man
came like twice, looked out of the tree lines, looked at her,
and would walk back into the tree lines. Fallow salt. I'm just blown
away. And there's another case from overseas. For the guy is no longer
with us. But I warned him and again, I can send you all
my emails to him, I mean to you with him right so you can
read the emails and read what I message him if you want to. This
guy, he was a hunter and he had seen dog man chasing, not
chasing following the eyewitnes He at first was scared for his eye went for you
know, first first friend. I told him, because he that that that's
when he ended up. The conversation starts. You know, he messaged me
and I told him, your your friend is fine. They've known each other
for a very long time. They have a somewhat of a coexistence, an
understanding. They do follow her where she goes on her runs in the woods,
but they're not going to harm them. They just leave it be.
He kept on asking At one point. One of the emails asked, how
does he kill them? And I might, don't even think about it.
It's going to go bad for you. And we tried. I tried,
and I told him the consequences. Don't try it. She's fine, you
know, don't don't, don't get involved, let it be et cetera,
et cetera. One night, he tried to follow the eye winds into the
woods and they growled at him. He stopped, got back into his car
and left. Later on, he went in with a friend started following her.
And that was a ship show. Because the eyewitness is military trains,
trains the police officers and in hand combat and a bunch of other things.
Right, So the eye witness hid in the woods because they realized that somebody
was following them, following the eyewitness. And as soon as the eyewitness took
the turn in the road, the winness popped up and sidekicked him in the
face. His friend began to scream because he doesn't know what's going on.
It's dark, right, and now his friend is in the floor. So
they began an argument of what you're doing to hear this and that, blah
blah blah, and the dog man came to the eyewitness, let's say,
rescue, and they began to growl and snap, just like bears snapped their
jaws. The eye witness told them to go back to their car, but
they realized if I tell them to go back to the car by themselves,
they're not going to make it to the car. So they grabbed both guys
and started walking out as the klan followed side by side. And I can
show you the picture because this we we joked about this for so long because
he had to go to the hospital. I think the kick broke his his
his his socket in the sides, so he had a big patch black and
blue with a big patch taped so so that that became a joke, you
know, for doing what just supposed to do. They got out, obviously,
but months later, apparently they began to kill his dogs, so he
wanted to get revenge because they were killing his dogs. He set up a
trap using the eyewitness, and the eyewitness with their background trying to realize what
was going on, came back into the house and punched them again and walked
out. So probably I'm want to say probably three weeks after that, the
guy tells his wife you know, hey, I'm gonna go on on a
hunting Chris to the same woods where the dog man roll. And let's just
say he hasn't been found since. Oh wow, God and I and I
and like I tell you, I can show you. I can. I
can send you the emails after he got kicked of me pretty much, you
know, fucking him out for being stupid and telling him stop it before you
get yourself killed because they're going to protect her, and this and that.
That last message and well, unfortunately, like I said, now he's no
longer with us. Last thing was, like I said, he hold his
wife, He's going to go on a hunting trip. He's never been fought
again. And this was overseas. You said overseas. Can you say what
country it is? Croatia? Oh wow, I mean that's just that's just
crazy. Like I said, for everything that I'm telling you, I can
show you with this guy, I can show you the emails of him and
I went back and forth. I think it was like five emails long.
And when I say long, they're long emails of our conversation back and forth.
I mean the type of behavior that you're talking about. I mean,
that's extremely intelligent behavior. Yes, way way beyond normal wildlife. Right do
these things have a language? Are they in that area of intelligence up till
day? I will say no, But to give it an example, right,
if I want to teach my dog how to sit, again, this
is just as an example, so so the listeners and yourself can understand from
where I'm coming from. Right to explain it, I can tell for me
to teach a dog how to sit, is going to take multiple repetitions of
the word sit and show him the action before he realizes that the word sit
produced is meant to have him put his butt on the ground. If a
dogman wants to learn the words sit, all I have to do is do
it once, and he learned. He already knows what the word sit means.
So a dog man that sees you, let's say, opening your shed
door, and in front of your shed door, has a bunch of garbage
in the front, right, you know, let's say whatever piece of the
wood or canisters or whatever. If he's seeing you multiple times having to put
all this stuff out to open the shed door, and then you walk out
and you put all this stuff back, this dog man can take the stuff
out open the door, get in and roughly put the stuff back how they
took it out. Have you personally experienced or talked to uh a witness that
you believe was credible that claimed any sort of paranormal or psychic abilities. No,
And that's what that's that's what gets me and I will stand by that.
Right is this for me? It's it's it's compelling. It's a red
flag, right mm hmm that I can that a A let's say, a
new researcher, a new researcher all of a sudden goes out into the fields
and within six five months, all of a sudden claims that this this dog
this this dog man mind spoke to them or you know, you talk to
them or whatever within the first six months of them going out into the field.
What I know about dogmen is that one they're skiddish. Two it's going
to take you a long time to even begin some sort of relationship with them,
even if you're if you're the eye witness. The only reason the eyewitness
gets the attention that they get is because the dog man already knew them through
many years. But these individuals that go out and they're new researchers and all
of a sudden, you know, within the six months a year, Oh
it might it, mind spoke to me and this and that. But then
again you'll have an eyewitness with a farmer who's lived with these things through two
generations, will tell you no, that they've never experienced it. So there's
some of these individuals, without telling them the accounts that I have, will
say, well, you have to be friends with them. They must like
you and this and that. So you're telling me that in one year they
liked you, versus two generations of family and farmers who know they're there right,
allows them to be on the property unscathed, sometimes even leave stuff out
for them. Couldn't create a good enough relationship and those two generations and all
of a sudden, you created that bond in one year and you're a new
researcher. That to me is a red flag. So that so when I
when I talk to some individuals that spent you know, two three, four
years, yet some of these other individuals because there's different scenarios, which again
throws me a red flag. Like I had one individual that when I started
talking about their shininga cackles that they make, Oh I'm not dealing with the
hyena type. And now now this person would mention how they would talk to
her mind speakers, and and she was going off with because she was hear
hyena tackle and think, well, these guys aren't hyena types. They're more
wolf people, as some people call them. And in my brain I'm like
and and I would tell them, you do understand that all dog men have
the same hyena tackle. No, but these aren't hyllena types. It doesn't
matter. The one in Wisconsin, the first plan that I met, weren't
hyena types. They looked like oversized wolves on steroids. Yet they produced a
hyena tackle. Oh I didn't know that. Well, wait a minute.
If your body is so strong that you're supposedly being mind spoken to, how
is it you don't know the basics. That's another red flag for me.
You're fully immersed in the cryptied world, like you know about the Bigfoot stuff,
just like the dog man stuff. So you're fully aware of, you
know, the stories of you know, active government cover ups whenever it comes
to Bigfoot. Is that sort of thing going on in the dog man world
as well? I have I do have some reports of credible people places that
I've physically been to. Right, And for me, if I'm able to
go to a person's house and the person allows it, and guess what I'm
doing a trip to that person. And I've been to places I've I've stayed
over, you know, eye witnesses, homes, I've camped out in their
property a lot. So when I say credible people, means people that I
physically have met, shook hands, and have probably seen or experienced something in
their property. Yeah, these incredible people. There's enough evidence to lead me
and a lot of others to speculate that the government knows about dog Man and
sometimes rounds them up. Are they all tagged? And some people say no,
that's kind of impossible because if I produce right, and I'm not saying
the government has produced dog Man, let me get that clear, right,
I am not saying that the government has produced dog Man. But scientists can
produce a human being. Can they government produce five dog Mans through already genes
or genetic sets out there? Sure? They do it with all other animals
called clony. Can they do that and tag them? Yeah? Yeah,
but those tags won't beyond the offsprings. So once the afsprings come out,
those are untagged, they would have to be rounded up again. But chances
are by then the family has moved and sure they're tagged so they can find
out. But if they don't round them up, all of them throughout the
United States and throughout the world, not all dogmant quote will be tagged.
So there's been cases where where if I use the word military, but you
know, private contractors have come in and have rounded a few up and have
taken them. There has been private contracts who have come in and taking some
out being killed them. So is there a military involvement, I'm gonna say
yes. What's what degree that involvement is? I can't say because most of
my research was involved in learning behavior. Whenever you're talking about coming in like
rounding some up, I mean putting it paints and take and taking them for
what purpose? I would have to talk to one of them, to one
of them. But there is there is there. There's even a audio from
uh a surveillance camera, but it's not on the camera itself. There's a
surveillance camera that picked up the audio of at nighttime them coming in. There's
a lot of shooting, there's a lot of growls running the cages rattling and
them leaving. Have you spoken with anybody in the government or law enforcement that's
talked about these things. Yes, a lot of them will give you the
the the not the running off. But you know, people because I've I've
I've had family who's who's in law enforcements, and I've been working in the
corrections. You meet a lot of law enforcements. They'll just give you the
the the gist of what they've experienced in the field, but they won't give
you like full details unless it's an officer or somebody who's no longer in law
enforcement or whatever you know, branch there might be in. But a lot
of them, most of them that I've talked to, like, will continue
to stay quiet for lashbacks at them or or whatnot. So I find it
interesting when there's a podcast with a person just giving out all the details.
Yeah, I haven't found that person yet to come on my podcast and give
out all the details. So yeah, they're very you know, quiet about
it. Like I said, they'll they'll give you the little bits here and
there, right, but they won't go into details about anything. You know,
sometimes you'll find well, you know, don't go to this place or
or there's a reason this park is closed or or whatnot. But they'll leave
you with that, and they'll leave you with that. They won't give you
like you know, I'm certain to time this is this happened and blah blah
blah. You know they won't. They'll just give you the black and whites
and leave you the grays. Do you think about it? Well, Ricardo,
how can people uh contact you if they have a dog man problem that
they need help with? Well, my my email is key M D K
nine s at yahoo dot com. I got to invite you on again.
I mean, there's gonna have to be a Ricardo part too, man,
because we I don't even feel like we even scratch the surface, no pun
intended. I did imagine to you when you pet me on me the first
You know, where do I even start? Because there's a lot of stuff
throughout the years that answers questions to some things, and at least at least
it leads you in a direction to find the answers of other things. Ricardo,
thank you so much, man. And if you you've encountered something you
can't explain, whether it be Bigfoot or dog man or anything at all email
me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. If you get a chance,
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