Don Lemon on ICE and the Latest Epstein File Drop

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Albrow. Today we're going to be talking about nuns, teaching sex, said, my experience with Jerry Duty, whether or not we can say the word squinty, Groundhog Day, conspiracy theories, the protests in Minnesota, Don lemon Epstein files, federal judges blocking Trump's agenda, and all of the questions from your dms, especially when I stuff like that, like I don't I'm like, I don't know how long I'm going to be there, I don't know if I'm going to eat, I don't know what's going to go down, but I know I know an address I need to go to in an hour. You know.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Michael's Brief Recess sticker also has the lines on the back. Oh yeah, you can't see it because his is black.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I thought the lines were there on the.

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Speaker 2: Thank vindication is mine because i'd not.

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Speaker 1: Is like am I Melissa thought there are lines on our logos for our laptops, And I thought they were just like how it was printed for, like the graphic designer put them there so that we knew to like line them up correctly. But it was part of the design, is it not? It is?

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Speaker 2: It is not, it's not, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I like it. I'm like, oh, this is cube.

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Speaker 1: Was I supposed to take those off?

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Speaker 2: Apparently?

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Speaker 1: Okay. It's like when I was eating I was like eating the paper on like a candy or something that you're supposed to take on.

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Speaker 2: What kind of candy was it?

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Speaker 1: I gotta ask Brad, I was eating the wrapper, like you're not supposed to do that. They're like, don't do that, don't do that. So I don't know. I guess now if I get a colonoscopy, they're going to see the Werther's wrapper, not.

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Speaker 2: With a shiny wrap on it.

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Speaker 1: How you doing? How's your week? Bend?

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Speaker 2: Fine, it's a totally random thing. No, no, it was fine. It's fine. Such a stupid thing. But like me and my friends are usually those of two are at like a similar age. Been talking a lot about we're things that we're doing now that we're getting older.

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Speaker 1: Right, like for anti aging or losing your mind and wandering the house and yeah, oh that's happening to my dog.

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Speaker 2: Sorry not to you, go ahead, no, no, no, no, But like so the other day, I was talking to my friend and she was saying something about herself that she was just like my grandmother used to do this thing, and I was just like, yeah. The other day I reached in to my purse and there was a random words candy.

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Speaker 1: In there, like you turn fifty and you open your purse, and the.

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Speaker 2: Thing about it was I opened my bag and I was like, where did that come from? Because I don't remember where I got it from. And but then I was just like, oh, well, it's a tasty can.

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Speaker 1: I will say as I get older, I do you do? Just start finding things places and like where did this match book come from? Or book?

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Speaker 2: Where'd the matchbook come from?

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's listed on the matchbooks exactly where it came from.

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Speaker 2: And then it came from like Tony and Tina's wedding. Back in the day, they used to win, Like yeah that match books.

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Speaker 1: What do they do now? Vapes? Do you get like a jewel when you you know?

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Speaker 2: My brother and sister in law went to a wedding and the giveaway was marijuana, Like everyone got like a pre roll.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love that. I love drugs.

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Speaker 2: When we got married, we didn't do giveaways. We made a donation and everyone's name to like a tree planting.

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Speaker 1: Oh I was going to say, you could like donate drugs. That's nice too.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, I can't remember. I come from a family where marijuana and the same going. Speaking of that, oh my god, I have to show it to you. I'll give it to CJ. But like so, I.

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Speaker 1: Posted the America clip from last week's episode where Melissa is just a refresher. Melissa's mother thinks crack and marijuana are basically let.

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Speaker 2: The record reflect.

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Speaker 1: It is not just my mother, it's a lot of Haitian family.

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Speaker 2: And also members of diaspora, a lot of immigrant families and yes, people I had like a handful of Nigerians, some Kenyans, some Jamaicans who are like for sure. But the best was like one of my aunts, she liked text me on my Instagram. She was like, isn't it not spreading misinformation? Isn't it? And I was just like, it's not.

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Speaker 1: But oh no, and now we've got to now we really, I guess we really have to make it clear to.

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Speaker 2: People marijuana, yeah, and crack cocaine are not the same where no matter where you're from.

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Speaker 1: One is great. The other one might.

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Speaker 2: Be the end of you get a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 1: My health teacher. I had a really fucked up health teacher in high school, and she taught us like too much about the drugs. She was like, Okay, so this is how you roll, this is how like, this is how people usually smoke crack, and she was like, this is what you want to be on the lookout for. But in retrospect, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, I feel like she was giving you a tutorial or like going down memory lane back when the day when I used to smoke crack. This is how I did it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was talking of reliving this with my friend from high school and we were like, wait a minute, didn't she also work in the cafeteria? We're not, And now I'm pretty sure I don't. She might not have been a health teacher.

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Speaker 2: I think we need to go back a little bit. Your health teacher, Yeah, was also a cafeteria worker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like doing what in the.

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Speaker 2: Was she like a nutritionist or a dietitian.

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Speaker 1: I'm not totally sure, but she definitely like worked the line like giving out the nuggeting a yeah, yeah, interesting, there is I should really look into this.

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Speaker 2: I think that you should. Next dollars were going to work, Like what was going on in your town, in your province?

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Speaker 1: And why do I know how to roll a killer joy?

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Speaker 2: In high school, I went to an all girl Catholic high school and our teacher, who also taught us me Too sex Ed, was a nun. And I remember all of us sitting there, her sister ter raise and we were just like, I don't know that she knows what she's talking about. There was there was like that General Forda.

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Speaker 1: Saying those who can't do teach, they said, bust out the virgin. She's teaching sex ad. Give her she closed, give her a pack of chalk and get in there.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so funny.

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Speaker 1: That's really funny. A nun that's teaching sex ad.

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Speaker 2: And this part I understand right. We were probably sixteen years old. So she's sitting in front of you know, a classroom full of giggling sixteen year old girls, you know, sneak sniggering and everything, and she was like, girls, we're going to take this very seriously. And she got out the book, but then she would also like circle it back around to the Bible. It was fucked up and then just you know, and me just walking out of that room being like I have learned less than nothing.

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Speaker 1: At a certain was there like a certain moment when you realized y'all knew more about sex than she did. Were you like, no, no, no, no, sister, this is how you actually do it, Not sister.

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Speaker 2: D Agnes her name, Sisterrese.

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Speaker 1: This is okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you think just walking away from that feeling like this person has no no concept of like what's actually going on.

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Speaker 1: Also, if you're teaching contraception and you are, you've taken like a vow of chastity, the sticks are really low for you, very so like I feel like you're not maybe not that invested in making.

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Speaker 2: Sure the message was abstinence right, like which which which.

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Speaker 1: Worked famously well for me school. I mean voted most likely slutted up problem.

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Speaker 2: Did you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't say his full name. Actually, I'm not going to say his name at all, for protective protect protect the innocent and the guilty and the guilty and the guilty. Let's get into sidebar. Let's just do like a quick what's going on in our week this week? Oh? I haven't seen you since I went to jury.

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Speaker 2: Duty, right, and I knew that you would not get it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but let me tell you something. Not only was I not picked for a jury. So first of all, I get there and they're all giggling because the clerks know me a criminal court. So they're like, Michael, are you lost, you stupid bitch, what are you doing here? And so like, no, I actually have jury duty. And now they're laughing. Sure, they're like, oh my god. And so now we're like keiki and yacking it up. They picked me like I got called because it was right after the blizzard in New York, so court had been canceled the day before, so it was like a crush of jurors because they can't mail out the little thing fast enough to update everyone not to come. So it was like two days worth of people in the room. Okay, So only a couple of people got called in. I was one of them. And once they figured out I was an attorney, you were right, they did. The lawyers on the trial were like, get this guy out of here, of course. And I of course had like twenty conflicts like I had court that morning. I had to get in a German I had court the next day, so there was no way I could actually feasibly sit on a jury But then they made me sit there all day. Why it was my service. Your service ends at five pm. So even if you're not picked, you they say you're excused, and you go back and you put your card back in the basket because you can get called again.

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Speaker 2: If I am really appalled that we're still using a card in a basket method, like, honestly, that's so fucking stupid. It pisses me off. But and also I'm irritated on your behalf and god forbid I get called to jury duty that you now have to sit there all day.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and it was me. And they do it based off your voter registration. So it was me and like a lot of zillennials because they all registered to vote for Mom Donnie, So it was a lot of them Mom Donnie gen z Ers and me hanging out all day at drury duty. It was actually kind of fun. I was chatting with a few folks.

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Speaker 2: But it just seems like a waste of everyone's time.

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure, Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 2: You know you don't want me. It's weird. It's like the boyfriend who keeps you on the day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when I was dating women, were dating women, well, like when I had like a beard or like a girlfriend and in like in like the ninth grade. Okay, I was I played soccer.

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Speaker 2: That's that's not the problem. You You playing soccer, being a sporty guy is not the problem. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: I love why. I was like, no, no, no, I was so straight. I played soccer. But wait, did you watch Heated Rivalry speaking of gays and sports? Sorry? No, you didn't watch it at all? No, So wait, okay, so then you have to tell me what you think it is.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I only heard about this show because it's very popular in Russia, right, which is unusual.

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Speaker 1: I actually didn't even know that.

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Speaker 2: Supposed' that's how I heard about it, right, So that apparently, like the most stream show in Russia is Heated Rivalry, and they're all getting it sort of illegally because.

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Speaker 1: It's probably censored, right, is.

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Speaker 2: Censored, but they're all watching it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't be cracking dudes in Russia. I don't think.

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Speaker 2: No, you're not. You're not allowed to. So and then I looked into it to see what it was and apparently is it hockey. Yes, so it's like gay hockey.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, okay, it's basically it's more gay than hockey. They're on the ice I think for maybe thirty seconds for the.

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Speaker 2: Entire illusion of hockey.

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Speaker 1: It's the rest of the time. I don't think they could, like, I don't think they could even get the space to film on the ice. They did it. I think they were on the ice like once or twice for the whole there's the show based it's a Canadian show. It's a Canadian show, okay. But now it's gotten so popular, and this came out months ago, it's gotten so popular. They're doing lookalike contests for the two guys, the two main guys. So in New York this week and there were multiple Ilia and Shane look alike contests. Let me tell you what. The crowds they picked the two finalists, and the crowd starts chanting, Kiss, Kiss Kiss. The two starts to just start going to town in the middle of like Tompkins Square. It was so fun.

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Speaker 2: Why do we need, you know whatever? I instantly got annoyed when you said, now it's so popular that we need to look alike.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for what I think it's like, let's just get a bunch of hot guys into the park and make them makeout.

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Speaker 2: Are the two guys in it hot?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah, everyone in it is beautiful, and they're like, you know, it's hard to be hideous when you're what twenty four and an actor like he's they're adorable.

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Speaker 2: That's not true. It's not hard to be I mean some people.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Melissa catching in real time? Yeah, oh man, okay, Let's go live on the scene to Tompkin Square Park where two men are just still going to town on each other.

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Speaker 2: They didn't know it ended, they're still doing it. Good for them.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into your algorithm of showing what is going on in your feet this week? What are you seeing? What is all over your I.

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Speaker 2: Think I'm seeing a lot of the same stuff that I've been seeing. So, still a ton of ice stuff. I've been looking into volunteering opportunities, so I'm seeing a lot of that stuff. I'm still getting a lot of plastic surgery stuff. And I, oh, I actually want to tell you this. So the thing about when you start engaging with that stuff, you get all kinds of shapes, right, So not only am I getting like doctors performing plastic surgery. I'm also getting either like cosmetic nurses or people who are really into cosmetic surgery doing before and after as the people right, famous people.

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Speaker 1: So they'll say, oh, they'll do like a breakdown.

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Speaker 2: Right, So they'll be like whatever.

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Speaker 1: It'll be like Bradley Cooper's forehead.

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Speaker 2: Right, and it'll be like Bradley before Bradley afterwards, and I.

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Speaker 1: That's a real one. You should look that up.

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Speaker 2: I mean whatever, right. So I was talking to a friend of mine about this, and I was like, you know, one of the things that I keep on singing is that these the men, especially like when they're getting the plastic surgery done at the end of it, they're looking very squinty, like they're squinting all the time. Like that's like this look that I'm noticing.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. So my friend was because there's like fillers or and it's like crowding the eye.

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Speaker 2: Don't I don't know if they're not doing enough or they're doing too much of something, Like I'm not sure what it is, right, because like the filled cheek is different.

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Speaker 1: The migrating fillers.

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Speaker 2: Right, So now they're like everyone is like squinting, like they can't, like they forgot their glasses, right. So I said to my friend, I'm like, why is everybody looking so squinty? And she was like, ah, Melissa, you can't. I don't think you can say that. And I was like, I can't say squinty, And I was like why not? Like when did squint When did squinting.

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Speaker 1: Become I love when being woke crosses over so f that, like the woke thing is now not woke, its snaky.

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Speaker 2: But I was like genuinely, AGAs you're ready.

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Speaker 1: For the correction. You're like, let's correct and she.

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Speaker 2: Was like, well, isn't it It's like alluding to somebody like sorry, I don't even know how to say this, like looking Asian. And I was just like, so now I'm googling, right am I allowed to say It's like.

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Speaker 1: My waiter described my dessert as fruity? How dare you sir?

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Speaker 2: But I was like really, And I was just like, I don't think that's a real thing that She's like, I think it is a real thing.

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Speaker 1: So we're now we're going back fighting over offense.

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Speaker 2: But I was like, and now like is this where we are?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god?

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Speaker 2: That now like saying that somebody looks squinty is potentially really and listen.

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Speaker 1: Listen, And we have derailed the entire night, and now we're fighting about identity.

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Speaker 2: My brain was spinning. Yeah, and now I'm asking the good people.

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Speaker 1: It's the fabric of the identity politics, it's the fabric of society. And we don't know if the fabric is you know, made humanely? Was it? How was it loomed?

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Speaker 2: How was it loomed? Where did we get the fabrics?

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Speaker 1: From my friend? Last night? Okay, so today is we're recording on groundhog Day.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: My friend and I descended into absolute chaos last night. We worked down a deep rabbit hole about groundhog Day. First of all, did you were Do you remember when Bill Deblasio killed that fucking groundhog? No?

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Speaker 2: I did not remember. Did you do remember that?

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Speaker 1: I remember it. It was twenty fourteen, and last night so much has happened in the news.

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Speaker 2: We're concentrating for the fucking ground hug.

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Speaker 1: I forgot that Bill Deblasio yted a groundhog at on Staten Island.

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Speaker 2: So this is not Phil pon STUCKI Phil, No, that's the one in Philly.

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Speaker 1: That's the one in Philly. So this one is Chuck. And so I've done. I am I'm a bober truther, but I'm also a dablase Ceo truther. You need to get off that interesting choice of words.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can't go ahead.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't Chuck. Chuck is the is the groundhog? So there are four groundhogs at the zoo, at the Staten Island Zoo. Yes, and because groundhogs are I'm sorry, what was that some anti Staten Island Okay, do it? Do it? I love, but I won't.

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Speaker 2: I won't because it happens like practically New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: I think that's okay to say. I agree, I mean, and I think people on Staten Island would agree.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there are four groundhogs on Staten Island.

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Speaker 2: Did they rotate them out for Groundhog's Day?

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Speaker 1: Yes, because they're technically supposed to be hibernating. Yeah, So they wake them up and see who's like the least vicious because it's usually most of them, So they pick whoever is the least vicious. And the year before Deblasio it bit Michael Bloomberg because it was so mad.

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Speaker 2: I'd be mad you woke me up.

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Speaker 1: I don't even hibernate. And so they woke this one up and it bit Michael Bloomberg. And so this wasn't Chuck. This was Charlotte, Chuck's daughter. So they're all like descendants of Chuck. The I guess the original, the originated.

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Speaker 2: The did a really deep dive on this.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not even We're just scratching the surface. So they had gloves on Ari de Blassio because it had bitten Michael Bloomberg recently and they didn't want him getting bit. So the gloves were too big, so he dropped Charlotte. And then a week or two later, Charlotte turned up dead on her pen.

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Speaker 2: Why is that his thoughts?

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Speaker 1: They did in new cropsy on Charlotte, and she died of internal injuries being dropped, consistent with a fall. So this was the entire inspiration for the film Anatomy of a Fall. No, it wasn't. Please don't your aunt's going to comment and say, was it really? Yeah? It was crack and we are the same, and Anatomy of Falls about.

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Speaker 2: I'm reading this quote about from Bill Deblasio. Uh, don't make me hold a fucking groundhog. I mean, what the hell. Let me tell you exactly what it happened. I go there and at seven in the morning, which means my motor schools are not at their best. I put these gloves on and they're like, here's a groundhog, and I'm like, what the fuck. I'm like, don't you have a little more coaching to go with this? Or whatever? It was idiocy? Why would you want an elected officials to hold the groundhog? I don't know anything about So the whole thing is just insane. There's an original sin here. Don't and someone a groundhog? Oh my god? Only trained groundhog holders? Do you squeeze it really tight? I mean, what you do? So, I'm like, talk about a lack of advanced work. That is okay.

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Speaker 1: Times quote the opening the article was her shadow was one of the last things she saw. If Peter isn't mad at us about your furs, they're going to be mad at us now. It was. I actually feel bad because Charlotte was really cute. I'm looking at photos last night. I got kind of emotional.

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Speaker 2: Do you think those animals are cute?

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Speaker 1: I think Charlotte was cute and fat.

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Speaker 2: I don't like animals like that. I don't want anything bad to happen to them.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't like, it's not like a rat to me, like, this is definitely a step up from a rat and a squirrel. It's technically genetically they're closer to closer to a squirrel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I did hear that. Yeah, you heard that this morning, this morning, I've heard on NB. Actually, so did I ever tell you when I first started dating Andre we were getting to know each other. No, no, no, no, no, it's relevant, and do you have any pets whatever? And I had a cat at the time. I've always had a cat, and he was just I'm like, yeah, I have a guinea pig. And I was like, and I was like, you know what, when I had broken up with my last long term relationship, I literally sent a prayer up to the Lord and I said, God, please send me a man that is the absolute opposite of this last guy. I need someone completely different. No, you know, I wanted to do all these but I did not say please don't let him have weird pets? Right, And then I'm thinking to myself, what kind of a grown ass man has a guinea pig? And the guinea pig's name was Giggles, and I think he heard it in my voice. The desire just plummeting. And then he said, I feel like I should tell you that the guinea pig really belongs to my eleven year old daughter who wanted a pet at his house and at her mom's house.

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Speaker 1: And he will not be helped the way he said I have a guinea picture.

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Speaker 2: Not until I was just like what, and then he was just like, actually, it's ks and whatever, and I was like, oh, okay, which made all the difference in the world.

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Speaker 1: Brad does this, he'll be like, we have a huge emergency, and as someone who literally deals with life and death situations at work, you can't lead with that. You've got to be like, the groceries weren't delivered. It's a huge emergency. Leader with dire.

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Speaker 2: It's dire.

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Speaker 1: I literally have actual emergency sometimes this not that it's an emergency. We've got to dust the bookshelf, is it anyway? Charlotte the Brownhog died and the death wasn't disclosed right away by the zoo because she died a week later and they didn't tell the mayor's office. Conspiracy theorists believe it was because the mayor's office gives the zoo three point five million dollars a year in funding, so they were like, this is a pure nightmare. There was a potential cover up. I in my mind now I'm imagining like an interurn going to the goldfish store to get the goldfish that looks like the fish to swap it out, so no one notices. And because there was this delay, the media jumped on it and we're all over it because there was a lot of like pr hand ringing. A Foyer request was submitted.

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Speaker 2: I love someone tell people if they may not know a foy is.

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Speaker 1: It's a Freedom of Information Act, so it's a request that you submit to the government to basically subpoena their emails or records around something that is of the public interest.

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Speaker 2: Correct. So this is so stupid, so.

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Speaker 1: Stupid, and there are way more important headlines right now. But I it was groundhog Day and it did remind me of how insane this tradition is. And also Chuck does Chuck the Groundhog today said there's going to be six more weeks of winter, lovely, and he has about an eighty percent success rate in predicting it. But the very famous.

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Speaker 2: One does not. He's terrible at it.

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Speaker 1: Fifty to fifty. Yeah, so I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is stupid.

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Speaker 1: I'm really I'm a groundhog truther, and I'm willing to go on the record and say that this is under oath. Let's talk about like what's happening in the headlines, what's happening in the news? All lots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot is happening. A lot happened last week, a lot is still happening. I mean, I feel like just the beginning, since the beginning of the year, it's been one thing after me.

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Speaker 1: My dms have been filled with people who are just like fatigued, and I always try when to make a video, I'm like, how there be like a tip or something of like something you can do or like some sort of hope core. Like I made a video about how there's no statute limitations on murder in America, so if ice officers murder someone, they can still be held accountable under a new administration. And people really responded well to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sure, I think I just hate that. That's the silver lining, right, do you know what I mean? I mean, I put the information silver.

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Speaker 1: Linings looking dinger and dingier every day. But it is, yes, yeah, but the general like fatigue in Malays the exhaustion of the constant news cycle. For sure, it's hard to really get up that that energy. But with everything that's happening with Ice and all of the constant constitutional violations and then having to go to court, I personally have been really I'm searching for the right word because I don't want to sound like I'm having this joyous time, but I will say that I've been really heartened by the protesters in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

00:25:50
Speaker 1: That has really been moving and it feels substantial to me. So when I see them protesting, when I see them so organized, yeah, and I see the real motivation and fight that people have, that feels really motivating to me to continue to do my work. Because when we care so much about something, it's clear that we all love each other and we love this country and like the parts of it that we call home and our communities. So when we're fighting for it, we're fighting because we care. We're fighting because we care about each other, yeah, and we care about our community. So that to me, I've been able to really see that as like a whoe. I didn't realize how much we all really cared about each other. That has been so moving to me.

00:26:42
Speaker 2: I will say that, you know, I said this to you, and I've been saying it to other people. I never in my life felt this overwhelming need to be patriotic towards the United States. Like you know, I was born in this country, I live here. Obviously I reaped the benefits of having grown up here, but I never really thought about it that much. I think because especially culturally, I identify so much to being Haitian that like, that's usually where my brain goes. But more and more I'm so outraged and anxious and angry about what's happening that I do feel all of a sudden like, yeah, you know what, this is my country and I want to do what I can do to help her stay the course. Right, So I hear what you're saying about Sorry just squinted at me. Oh my god, No, I'm sorry anyway, now I can't look at you anymore if you're going to do that. No, but but all but all kidding aside, Like I do feel like I hear what you're saying. It is heartening to see that people are focused and they're paying attention, and they are also upset. And you know, when you you can make a difference from where you sit right and like there's like a learning obviously, but you could you could do all those things.

00:28:02
Speaker 1: It was a lot harder for me to wake up and be an immigration lawyer every day when people when I would turn on the news and see things happening and people weren't doing anything about it. It was a lot harder because it felt like I was the only person. And I, of course know that's not true. That's a feeling, not a fact. But when I then turn on the news and I see thousands of people protesting, thousands of people going on to general strike for a cause that I've really been working for a lot, I'm like, whoa, Like hell yeah, Like I'm energized by it.

00:28:32
Speaker 2: It does make you feel better.

00:28:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess what. I just to like wrap that thought up, I would just say that I'm like constantly inspired by other people in this movement and watching like the next gen kind of get involved. I got asked by a reporter this morning, like how do you keep doing this? Like what really sustains you? Like what would be your sort of like message. And for me, I'm like, I think we're able to affect more change as a democracy now because of the Internet, because there are so many people online accessing videos, able to see what's happening. We have activists going live from the scene, Like, we have so much information that can often feel overwhelming and exhausting, and it is, but I think we're able to actually better serve causes and effect change because of it. We're able to have an eighteen year old in the middle of the country contact an immigration lawyer across the country or talk to you, or talk to an activist organization in La. Yeah, it's kind of interesting and a unique situation we're in. There have been some really interesting have you been following, Like christin Nomes the tides finally turned on the slows, they're finally turning on her.

00:29:47
Speaker 2: I mean, it took long enough. And here's the thing there, And I really wonder if they realize it when these people, so people who are part of the mega movement, right, do you realize that the presidence of the United States does not have your back at all?

00:30:06
Speaker 1: Oh?

00:30:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, and what's really interesting about that is that it seems to me that all of the people who are vying for his attention and the people that he is surrounding himself with, they don't seem to know understand that. Meanwhile, I sitting at home, I'm like, he doesn't give a shit about you, and he will throw you under the bus, toss you to the wolves. Yes, in an instant.

00:30:30
Speaker 1: The first Trump administration, do you remember that rotating revolving door of names. Every week? It was like what who? It was like it was like popat opolist, you remember, like these and like it was like these names. Every week it was like and this person got part.

00:30:43
Speaker 2: And this was that guy who was? Who was? I think I can't remember what his role was, but he was in the job for a week, Yeah, Anthony something or another.

00:30:53
Speaker 1: It's a measure of time, Yeah, Anthony.

00:30:55
Speaker 2: He was in the job for a week if that. Yeah, And it was content. It was just you know. I also think that I will say this his first administration. I think he also was quite surprised that he won, yes, and so was sort of scrambling to find people to fill his cabinet. I feel like this time he was much more focused.

00:31:18
Speaker 1: Well because the first time he won the election, he was shocked, like they were stunned that they won. They did not expect that.

00:31:24
Speaker 2: No, neither did we.

00:31:27
Speaker 1: But I will say that, like it's interesting to watch Christine. I'm go in front of Congress and in front of these inquiries and be asked questions, and she gives the very like Trump administration answers of Oh, deny everything, lie through your teeth, deny the truth, ignore the video, ignore the sworn statement, like ignore everything, and just like stick to the message. You can't do that under sworn testimony. That is perjury. You can't be doing that. Trump does it in press conferences all.

00:31:56
Speaker 2: The time, Yeah, but not under oath.

00:31:58
Speaker 1: She's in front of her Congress, like she's being asked by house members what is happening, and she's like, oh, no, that's not true, that's not happening. That's not what's going on. And like we're getting the footage of this.

00:32:10
Speaker 2: It's like we were seeing it, Christy, we can see it. Can you this life catches up with you. Just go away with the next news cycle that is an actual proceeding. So I thought that was really interesting. Love and I couldn't happen to a better person, couldn't happen to a better person.

00:32:27
Speaker 1: I do wish bad things upon bad people.

00:32:29
Speaker 2: I mean, like get out of here. No, she did funk around and she's finding out. Yeah, but you know, like I want to see some professional carnage. Do you know what I mean? Like I I would love for her to be shackled someplace, you know, like a like arrested.

00:32:47
Speaker 1: Yes, not obviously, ye, we want to Yes. Do you want the purp walk? I want the full Mangoni purp walk. Oh yeah, what was it? The helicopter?

00:32:57
Speaker 2: And like, give me some music in the.

00:33:00
Speaker 1: Up the West Side Highway.

00:33:02
Speaker 2: I do I want music? I do I want music in the background.

00:33:07
Speaker 1: Music That was like the Fraser theme song.

00:33:10
Speaker 2: No something I need, I need something and I and I want to see her no eyelashes, no extensions, both face melting, crying, Tammy Fay, Timmy Fay, Tammy Fay mes Gara running because that is what she deserves, because she has made it her life's work. And you get the sense that there is tremendous joy.

00:33:37
Speaker 1: She's trying to build a celebrity off of being this meaning.

00:33:40
Speaker 2: Right, and but also there is like joy in the in the harm and pain of other people. Sure, and that is like the worst kind of mean g.

00:33:50
Speaker 1: That was Professor Umbrad. Yes, that is like that is.

00:33:53
Speaker 2: Actually and I would love to see her get dragged off by a bunch of angry centaurs, because that's what happened to Dolores. I know it's too much about this.

00:34:00
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry this woman went to platform nine and three quarters in London. You cannot slip a Harry Potter.

00:34:08
Speaker 2: You can't. You could try anyway. Don Lemon, oh my god, And let me tell you something. Don Lemon was on CNN for years, okay, years and years, and I actually can no longer remember at the moment what he did. He did or said something on air that ended up getting him fired. I don't remember what it is right now, but Don don Lemon's serious journalist. But he would do this thing every New Year's Eve where he would do like almost like the same thing that oh god, it was with like Andy Cohen and.

00:34:46
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper and.

00:34:48
Speaker 2: Aniston Cooper, and he would get lit on and he would say he was like I'm lit y'all and it would be like epic. But anyway, he fucked up and he found out he got he lost his job. Yeah, and also Joy Reid, who got fired from what was MSNBC that is now ms NOW I think. But since they've gotten fired, they've been doing this sort of independent reporting, right, so on their own dime, going to places and doing what have you. Don Lemon much more boots on the ground than what I have seen Joy Read do. Joy Reid, I think now has a podcast and she's doing that sort of thing, but she's also coming for Edges. She's doing wonderfully.

00:35:27
Speaker 1: Call on the Showjoy Read.

00:35:28
Speaker 2: Would love to have you, Joy, please, would love to have her on.

00:35:33
Speaker 1: We'd love to have Don on com snatch. These Edges love that.

00:35:36
Speaker 2: But so Don got so he's been doing a lot of independent reporting and he's been on the ground in Minnesota. He went to that protest that was at that church in Minnesota.

00:35:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was like two around that I was. I was in the middle of writing emotion and I kept.

00:35:51
Speaker 2: Getting my understanding of Okay, So the story with this church in Minnesota was that the pastor of the church is widely reported that he has a he's a field office agent for ICE, so he allowed ICE access to his church and there was a protest at the church where the protesters came and interrupted the service at the church.

00:36:16
Speaker 1: Well, he was letting ice into the church, I think, so yeah, yeah, what do I mean where people are seeking refuge or an It's a big part of the Hispanic community is Catholic service, so.

00:36:30
Speaker 2: Ew is right.

00:36:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Don Lemon went with the protesters, right, But the administration that arrested him alleged that he was colluding with.

00:36:40
Speaker 2: The pro right, that he was a little like a rabble rouser interrupt service.

00:36:42
Speaker 1: And so the federal charges were that he conspired to interfere with the First Amendment rights of the people who were worshiping their First Amendment freedom of religion. And two federal judges they tried to get the charges to stick in court in front of a judge. So you go before a judge and you say, these are the charges. I think that we should be able to get an arrest warrant from the judge. Two judges said no, right, and they had to go to a grand jury to get an indictment right in order to even arrest on Lemon for this, and they arrested him in LA.

00:37:16
Speaker 2: It was like a while, yeah, he was, Yeah, it was like the following week.

00:37:21
Speaker 1: He wasn't even in Minnesota anymore. The charges are still sticking, are they? Yeah? I think that he's still charged, like they're going to court.

00:37:29
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. And I also really love that when he came out, you know, he was like, I'm going to fight these charges. But I think the best part about it because I think that this sort of like his husband came to get him and they walked out together. They were holding hands. Obviously this you know, showing this unified front, and I think that.

00:37:47
Speaker 1: That's a meme now well.

00:37:48
Speaker 2: And I also think that that kind of you know, two men, two married men in love with each other, a black man and a white man together. I think it kind of like sticks it, yeah to Maga, which I fucking love. I love that. I love that for all of us. I love it for done, I love it for you know, our entire community who's watching this.

00:38:06
Speaker 1: I will I will say, just like two powerful gay men holding hands is actually so upsetting to Mecca, like they really like it read it because it's not salacious at all. It's just two people who are like happy and in love. Is just so disturbing. This notion that I guess just like men can be happy in a marriage, since that is so often not the case with Mega or that.

00:38:30
Speaker 2: It's because they think it goes against what they think is the right air quotes, right thing to do.

00:38:36
Speaker 1: Right. So here also like, it's just so much hotter when it's two guys.

00:38:39
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if you're a guy who's into guys, it's just.

00:38:44
Speaker 1: No, I think for everyone everybody. Yeah, it's just hotter, just hotter. Yeah, yeah, hotter than.

00:38:50
Speaker 2: Two women in love or men and a woman who love each other.

00:38:52
Speaker 1: No, two women in love too, okay.

00:38:54
Speaker 2: Me and and Jay loving each other is not hot no, wow, wow, wow, okay, Michael.

00:39:04
Speaker 1: Too woke, too woke. I heard you have a guinea pig.

00:39:10
Speaker 2: So that's not I don't have a guinea pig.

00:39:12
Speaker 1: Wait, what happened to the guinea pig?

00:39:14
Speaker 2: Oh you were okay, So I'll tell you what happened to the guinea pig. So, so Andre and I were either living together or now married. And Andre called me up and he says, and wait, and he says to me, Giggles is gone. And I said to him, you better find her because Patch was rip patch her cat our cat Patch will kill her.

00:39:33
Speaker 1: Oh, and then he said munch, munch.

00:39:36
Speaker 2: Thanks said no, she's gone, as in dead, and then so full disclosure. I was not sad about this cartwheel kind of silent cheer, and I was like, oh, okay, well I'm sorry. And then when I came home, he had covered the guinea pig with a paper towel. Wait, like he'd cover this, and it was like this pathetic lump underneath the paper towel, not the shroud. Yeah, I mean, I just think it's just ripped up some bounty and just covered her. And I was like, what are you gonna do with her? And then he was like, well, Okap's gonna come over this weekend. She's to come over every weekend. And I was like, it's like Wednesday or Thursday. What are you going to He was like, well, maybe we could put it in the ziploc bag in the fridge. And I was just like, wait, my.

00:40:33
Speaker 1: Friend called me this weekend and then I promise we'll get back to Don Lennon. And my friend called me this weekend. She was telling me that her friend found a rat in her toilet. I'm almost alive, Oh my god. And so she told her friends, oh, no, where where in New York City.

00:40:55
Speaker 2: This is my I'm not even kidding, I your greatest legitimately have such a huge fear of like, don't show me ship, don't you do it?

00:41:04
Speaker 1: I'll read you the text though.

00:41:06
Speaker 2: No, please don't text today. I text her two days later.

00:41:12
Speaker 1: My friends having plumbing issues. She flushed it.

00:41:25
Speaker 2: Can they come up to the to the plumbing.

00:41:28
Speaker 1: Plumbers there and they snake like the toilet.

00:41:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, I won't look at it. I won't look at it.

00:41:39
Speaker 1: They snaked the toilet and the plumber said he saw fur. Oh my god, Peter is going to have to come on the show next week. Just just go ahead and book them and let me let me take my lumps, let me take it on the chin.

00:41:53
Speaker 2: I would die, would I would die, my.

00:41:55
Speaker 1: Greatest There is a snake in the toilet. Rat no snake nightmare?

00:42:01
Speaker 2: I think, I think rat for me, no.

00:42:04
Speaker 1: Getting bitten in the butt by a snake. I hope that I.

00:42:09
Speaker 2: Would recognize that there's like a worrying in the toilet before he came out. I hope that that would happened.

00:42:16
Speaker 1: I hope that I would not astrict in the toilet.

00:42:20
Speaker 2: My cousin Stephanie is Australian.

00:42:22
Speaker 1: Well, that's where my friend got the advice to flush the rat. She went on like Australian subreddit.

00:42:27
Speaker 2: Well I feel okay, this is like a no, no, no, because this is actually a problem. I don't know that. I didn't know that about the rats, but I knew that like snakes and stuff came up out of the toilet. Maybe they're plumbing is set up different. Do you know what I'm saying?

00:42:41
Speaker 1: Toilet's flush the other direction. The rat goes down counterclockwise.

00:42:45
Speaker 2: I'm going to reach out to Stephanie and I'm going to ask her about it's going to be No.

00:42:49
Speaker 1: What time is it this it's urgent. It's five in the morning in Australia.

00:42:56
Speaker 2: I would die. I would die.

00:42:59
Speaker 1: Okay, we have to talk.

00:43:00
Speaker 2: Sorry, we're going back to see do you see what happens to us? I have an appointment to see a psychiatrist.

00:43:07
Speaker 1: By the way, was it before or after the Epstein files dropped? That you booked the psychiatrist appartment.

00:43:12
Speaker 2: Before I got to get my ADHD under because.

00:43:15
Speaker 1: I guarantee you probably wouldn't have gotten an appointment after the Epstein files dropped. That was have you crazed.

00:43:21
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, are you reading all of it though, Michael, Yeah, I can't.

00:43:25
Speaker 1: It is so disturbing.

00:43:26
Speaker 2: I'm sure it is disturbing.

00:43:28
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this. I have a stomach for a lot of disturbing images, and like I have to read reports and I have to look at crime scene photos, so I get a lot of that. When I was an intern in New Orleans in the criminal justice system, I had to look at a lot of deeply disturbing photos just working in criminal law down South. Yeah, and this is just unlike anything I've ever seen. It truly is so disturbing, and even just like the emails, I mean, unbelievable things that people are writing in the emails, I.

00:44:04
Speaker 2: Mean and then saying stupid stuff like delete this email afterwards, like the idea of that, Bill Gates, Bill Gates, shame on, Bill Gates.

00:44:11
Speaker 1: I mean, didn't you make the email system correct?

00:44:15
Speaker 2: And that's you know, and I've said this to you before about other you know, other things that we've heard happening. You know, these people that we know. I am now concerned forget about the fuck shit that you've done. Just put that to the side for a moment. I am not concerned about what a colossal dumbass you are. Yeah, Bill Gates, who basically, like you said, basically invented email. It is like, delete this email.

00:44:37
Speaker 1: What the whole notion that the email is undeletable was your idea you did? That's the calls coming from inside.

00:44:45
Speaker 2: The house, and apparently he was trying to figure out a way to slip his wife, yes medic medication because he had an FTD.

00:44:54
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And there's an interview with her where she's like, I never liked that Epstein guy, Like you can. It's clear she's going on the record in a cursory way that she can talking about this, which I'm sure is everyone's nbaight up the wazoo. But yeah, and then Elon Musk like begging to go to Epstein's island.

00:45:14
Speaker 2: Talk about it. Pick me, please, please please pick me pedophile?

00:45:18
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is and he's like multiple emails, and then Epstein's sending it to his assistant being like, deal with this bitch.

00:45:26
Speaker 2: Do you know what I think? Is really interesting that somebody as deplorable as Epstein would see somebody as Elon Musk and be like, even for me, it's too much. Do you know what I'm saying, Like, even for me, it's too much.

00:45:40
Speaker 1: And then Elon Musk's daughter tweeted last night, while I was in the groundhog rabbit hole, I was looking at the tweets from Elon Musk's daughter, who tweeted that the veracity of the files relating to Elon is probably true because she can confirm they were on family vacation in Saint Bart's at the time. She was like, we were there that week of those emails, and so that blew up everyone. I mean, talk about accountability.

00:46:12
Speaker 2: Your own daughter is I know that's I was going to say, your own daughter. And she not only she gobbled her not only that, but she's also using your platform.

00:46:22
Speaker 1: She's she's on X.

00:46:24
Speaker 2: She's on X talking about what a shit bag her father is.

00:46:28
Speaker 1: She ate you up, She ate with that.

00:46:32
Speaker 2: Could you imagine and get the.

00:46:34
Speaker 1: Light it can for these sick burns.

00:46:37
Speaker 2: Okay, we did not finish talking about Don Lemon.

00:46:41
Speaker 1: You know what, because he's going to come on the show and he's going to Don Lemon, I'm invoking the game Mafia on your ass. You're coming on this show. You owe me. You know what you did?

00:46:51
Speaker 2: No you don't.

00:46:54
Speaker 1: But I am invoking the unspoken Elton john Act. I'm invoking Marsha P. Johnson, I'm invoking the Stonewall Brick.

00:47:06
Speaker 2: I'm in, I'm invoking, and I will I will invoke the Kinfolk Act.

00:47:13
Speaker 1: Yes, come, yeah, you can't. You can't.

00:47:16
Speaker 2: You can't turn it down. You can't turn us down.

00:47:18
Speaker 1: A black woman and a game answer podcast ones, come on done. Okay, There's actually been like a lot of losses for the Trump administration, so talk about hope core in court. Lately, the federal courts have been absolutely spiking the ball on all of these cases that come before them. It's actually pretty fierce, especially considering that like the Trump administration stacked the courts with the Federalist Society with Republican judges. But I have a list of federal courts that have blocked Trump executive actions lately. We have the end of migrant legal status, so the mass parol programs. Yeah, they blocked that the Offshore Win project was allowed to continue. You detaining resettled refugees, they put a block on that, so resettling refugees. The Federal Appeals Court reaffirms TPS protections. Federal Court temporary blocks enforcement of President Trump's anti diversity equity inclusion executive orders. And then the Supreme Court's rule is working to limit blocking power in Trump visa or CISA, and a federal judge just struck down the rule from Trump and Christine Nolm that Congress members need seven days notice to go to detention centers. Do you remember when someone like local officials in New York were getting arrested trying to go to detention centers. Yeah, and so Christy Nolman was like, oh, new rule, you have to give seven days notice. You know that horrific things are happening in the detention center when we need seven days to tidy it up to make it look like the mess. There aren't any human rights rights violations which we know are happening at the Dilly Detention Center right now, where they're housing many children who are migrants. They released deliverableting, they've released lamb which was adorable, made me so happy, But there are still so many children, of course, and they've been there for a long time, and especially at Dilly. I mean, the conditions that people are talking about are lack of clean water, which is how they make baby formula. There was a woman who I don't know if she was at Dilly, but she was pregnant and experiencing heavy bleeding. All in detention. The food is, if there is food, often has bugs in it.

00:49:36
Speaker 2: Right, it's disgusting.

00:49:37
Speaker 1: We really are inhumane developing nation conditions in these detention centers. We are not equipped to detain and house as many people. I mean, I still abide by the laws of America.

00:49:51
Speaker 2: Right. They don't care though, do you know what I mean? It's not only that we are not equipped, but they don't seem to be taking They don't seem to care to take any measure. Listen, this is what you want to do. You want to sort of go out and get these people. You get in them, and you're putting them in detention with the intention of shipping them out. Logically, it will take you time to do that. In the meantime, you can't have people in a space with no water.

00:50:17
Speaker 1: There's no infrastructure.

00:50:19
Speaker 2: We do not have. The infrastruction of the United States is already falling apart. Now you want to add something else to it.

00:50:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're gonna care when they're all eventually indicted or in court and bankrupt because they were sued in civil court. But I understand and agree that they don't care. Now there's a lot of fucking around happening. Yeah, the finding out will be eventual. This is tells from the DMS. We are going to get into all the questions you sent in to brief recess at exactly rightmedia dot com or to the link in my bio where you can record your own message.

00:50:59
Speaker 2: Now, remember everybody, like I always say, while Michael is a lawyer, he is not your lawyer. So this is for general information and entertainment purposes only.

00:51:08
Speaker 1: So we have a couple questions from school teachers who have sent us voice notes. We're going to play them for you really quick. But recently Ice rescinded that schools are considered a private protected location for migrants, so technically they can enter schools and detain students, which is like a new level of dystopia that we've never seen before. And just quick reminder before we jump into these questions. If that doesn't horrify you, I don't know what will. And if that doesn't get you involved, I don't know what will. Nothing will, right, But let's jump into the questions because these are the I mean, we really need to give some help here to actual teachers who are worried about their students.

00:51:46
Speaker 2: Whom I can ask you a question just about the school stuff. So are we talking about public schools or private schools? Is there a difference?

00:51:56
Speaker 1: Great question, because technically it would depend if it was private property. So public schools are not considered private property, but a private school, I guess, would be considered private property.

00:52:06
Speaker 2: So do you think And I know, I'm just sort of like throwing this out.

00:52:08
Speaker 1: There, and therefore the Fourth Amendment protections would apply, whereas now the public property is not getting that previous protection. Yes, okay, And it would be very specific to each situation, like, for example, if there was a part of it the public school that had private property attached to, like it that there was a house near there or yeah, yeah, no, I don't think it would be yeah, okay, okay. This is from a high school music music teacher, Okay, a little different.

00:52:38
Speaker 3: I'm Michael Melissa. I'm a music educator from Ohio, and I was wondering what are some things that we as teachers can do to protect our students from ice. Now I know that we've talked a little bit about like what normal teachers can do, but for music it's a little bit different because we do have some outside of school day activity and whatnot. So let's say you're on a band trip and ice stops your school's bus, right, we're going to we're in a different state maybe, and ice stops your bus. What can we do for our students? How can we prepare our students to perhaps be stopped by ice at a concert or coming into our classrooms? Like what like legally can we advise them to do and be prepared for in our classrooms?

00:53:28
Speaker 4: And what line does it become illegal for educators to get involved and try and protect our students. What line do we have to decide whether or not we're going to keep going to protect our students and we're the sacrifices.

00:53:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like being a teacher isn't hard enough, right.

00:53:49
Speaker 1: Right, They're like buying their own school supplies and now they have to getting paid nothing. Yeah, So it's as always a very complicated answer. I want to focus on. You're asking a lot about like how we can equip the students, So like that is one line of inquiry we can address, But I also want to focus on like what you can do as teachers and administrators to put pressure on the administration of the school I think is really important as well. A lot of what ICE relies on is student data. So if you can pressure your school administration to not collect immigration status data on those students, then it will be harder for ICE to even know that there are students in the classroom who are undocumented. So that is like one way that we can kind of approach this if you want to like put pressure in the right place.

00:54:41
Speaker 2: But let me ask you a question about that. So, but when you say not collecting immigration data, do you just mean not collecting, for example, where a student was born or they're actual immigrations.

00:54:54
Speaker 1: Their actual immigration status or where they're born. Because ICE is assuming that if you are not born in America naturalized citizen, that you.

00:55:02
Speaker 2: Are possibly portable. Gotcha.

00:55:06
Speaker 1: So ICE officers do have to have written authorities signed by a judge and a judicial warrant. So what I would encourage you to do is come up with some sort of protocol within your school. So ICE shows up, they go to the admin office. That admin office has a way to contact the teacher or if I shows up, whether it's at the bus, whether it is in the classroom, wherever it is, there's like an admin point person who knows how to sort of check the warrant to ensure that the student idea is correct, that the judicial warrant is indeed signed by a judge, that they're actually like checking the paperwork end of things. So having someone who's trained up in that for each school district I think would be important, and that person could sort of collaborate with an attorney to make sure that, you know, they have all that in order.

00:55:58
Speaker 2: So by the administration, you mean like the principal or the board, it.

00:56:01
Speaker 1: Would it would be specific to the school really in the district because like some teachers, I imagine in like a smaller school district, they'd be able to just talk to the superintendent and that person would be like any ice activity you have to contact, you know, the point person just to sort of stop these things that are you know, happening right in the moment, or these spontaneous detentions. I do know that a CLU of Ohio they're calling in from Ohio, so I know that they they released a sort of memo for schools on immigrant student rights and how to prepare your district, and then something you can do as a teacher. I'm thinking about your specific instance. You give us a very specific example of when you're traveling with the students, something you can do is minimize paperwork for you and your trip. Just it's just like a strategic forethought tactic you can take if you don't have a list of which students is where, or if you're treating it as protected for a protected documentation that can't be turned over and it's sort of held and housed in a confidential place like that where it's maybe not on your person, but back at the school district when you're traveling, that is a way that you can sort of disrupt the ice activity of trying to track down and locate a child who is traveling with you. Is if you don't have it listed documented where said student is staying, what room they're in, but that is not on your person. Is sort of the advice I'm I hope you can kind of read between those lines, because I can't really say exactly I understand.

00:57:43
Speaker 2: I think I understand what you're saying, but I'm thinking of sort of remembering back to when I was like anytime I'm wondering how they would be able to do that, right, because anytime I traveled with school.

00:57:53
Speaker 1: Past, we're protected. So okay, yeah, like stuff like that so that you can easily just sort of keep it protected. A lot of people actually are deactivating face recognition on their phone so that you have to use a pass code in order to access certain information. So that's like another thing you can do.

00:58:09
Speaker 2: I've done that when I've gone to protest site. I deactivated and you told me, right, yeah, to deactivate my facial recognition.

00:58:18
Speaker 1: Yep. And then if you and the people that you're traveling with for want to just be ready at any stop to not answer questions about the students who are on board the bus or staying in whatever hotel, So you would want to just memorize the script you and the chaperones that we do not share information about students who are on board bus per FURPA. We cannot share the location, the names of what students are here. Please contact my district administrator and that person will be able to share with you who is where and who they are.

00:58:51
Speaker 2: Yeah. SOPA is the Family Education Rights and Privacy.

00:58:55
Speaker 1: Act, So it's a federal act that protects specific student information, so you can't school can't share certain information without the student's consent or the parents consent, so you would just want to reference that. So there's like not a lot that I can really tell you to do because I can't advise you to harbor people. I can't advise you to lie, I cannot advise you to violate school policy. So you have kind of nailed it with know your rights and you can't really like impersonate a legal authority or anything. So I just want you to be careful because I know that this is like your job, so really making sure that we are following the rules here. You can share no your rights protocols, and you should follow the school policy. So I really want you to lean into the school policy piece because that is where I think you'll be able to affect the most change that you want to see, rather than you giving advice to students. That is where I get kind of nervous. Yeah, but you can share resources with them. I think that's a great step.

00:59:56
Speaker 2: So I was going to suggest that either before going on on a trip or just generally, especially given what's going on in the country at the moment sort of and again it's been a long time since I've been in school. I don't know if like there's a blackboard or like a site or something, but if it's possible to share websites with students, like no, you're right, so that they understand and you can say to them, I can't tell you what to do, but you should look into this for yourself that you know what to do if something were to happen. Is that a way that they can get around that?

01:00:30
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:33
Speaker 2: Could a teacher And again we want everyone people need their jobs and we want you to sort of be careful what you're doing in the workplace. But could a teacher potentially create like little cards to give out to students with links?

01:00:49
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely, and we have those pre printed, Like those are already set up. So when I was talking a little bit about who's listed where and on what forms or the trip, this would be a good way to do it. What I meant was like if you had one binder just for you that had, you know, the full roster with emergency contacts, but then all the chaperones got one that was just like first names of students and where they were. That way, it wasn't everyone had all this information. It was sort of contained in one place. But you know, no clipboards at the board, keep the roster out of sight. Those are things you can kind of do.

01:01:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could. I just I wonder though, if there's like.

01:01:30
Speaker 1: A police officer who's like the parent of one of the students, maybe ask if they could be a chaperone on the school trip. I know that. I mean, we've seen police officers really butting heads with ice officers lately. They're not They're like they're the ice officers are different the people who couldn't get onto the police force. So there's a little bit of there's beef there. Yeah, for sure, they failed the test, the test or they.

01:01:52
Speaker 2: Were too lazy to do it or whatever it was, or they had a record.

01:01:58
Speaker 1: And then, like you mentioned, while you're at there's schools for something like that, have a rule for the students that if anything feels off or anything weird happens, I'm going to defer to you on how to best communicate to children. However you want to share that with them so it doesn't alarm them. That basically, if shit goes down, we meet in front of the bus or in the second row of the bleachers or whatever it is, make sure that you communicate verbally to them some sort of plan that if there is trouble, this is where we're going to meet. I think you would probably do that on any field trip anyway, but especially now if there is a security issue. But and then memorize your script of if someone asks you for student information or you run into ice or even a security guard, all requests about student information go through our office administrator. Please contact Betsy in the office and she'll deal with you. Okay, people named Betsy, don't fuck around. Don't You don't want to fuck with a chick in the office named Betsy, don't you don't. So for just like a general high school teacher, not the teacher that's traveling, there is something you can do just to sort of like do no harm. As a teacher. You don't ask about people's social security numbers. You don't ask about immigration status. Like the less you know kind of the better, because then if they are asking or pressing you, you really don't know. So that is a great way for you to sort of like do no harm. Avoid assignments or discussions that require students to reveal family information. That is another big one, like sort of keeping keeping this sort of like a secret for the family and for the student. Don't keep private lists of families that you think are undocumented. Use neutral language like families, caregivers, trusted adults, not citizens, non citizen stuff. Don't get sort of like weight into that. Offer a private way for students to request help from you. I think that's an interesting way to sort of if there is a discrete email or a box or a counselor QR code something like that where students can sort of access assistance if they need it. I've seen a lot of schools host like a family preparedness night where they invite families to come and sort of learn and just be prepared whether you are a migrant or a citizen, and then just be ready to say, like I cannot talk to you about this, please speak to the principal's office. Like just being able to say that with confidence. I think that is probably the best thing you can do right now. Okay, a lot of this is possibly going to change. I would not be surprised if we had a new rule or if there was an incident or something in the headlines where I did go to a school and it blew up and everyone got really upset and there was public outreach, and then the rule changes a couple weeks later. So, like, I know, I can't give you a lot to chew on right now, which is really awful, but I am hopeful that there will be some sort of change.

01:05:01
Speaker 2: And I think you can really go back to what we were talking about earlier, saying that you can as a teacher, you can give your students access to resources that are outside of the school so that they can inform themselves. And I think you know what you said earlier about not alarming them, I think that we should be alarming them like this is hey, guys, this is really serious because I mean, I understand that there are kids who are not paying attention, but we need them to pay attention. We really do, and I think that as a teacher, you are in the best position to do that.

01:05:36
Speaker 1: I also think there will be a child that comes home from your class and their parents won't be there, right that is going to happen to one of the teachers listening to the show. Make sure that student knows that they can call you, or that they have someone that they can call. I think that's really important. And a very likely possibility for sure. Okay, well that's been tails from the DMS, all your legal questions. What a bleak way to end this episode. We had a lot of fun, but it ended on like a very sad note.

01:06:09
Speaker 2: It did end up a little bit of a dark note. But the thing is, though dark or not, we are not just here to have a good time. Obviously we are, but it's also to provide everybody with as much good, solid, important information that you can take on to something else. So it is a little dark, but where we are living in kind of darkish times. Yeah, we love to keep key and hah, but we can't always.

01:06:35
Speaker 1: And just know that, like I guess, on the other end of potential detention for either a student or those students' parents, there are people like me who are in court every day working to get them out and we are winning and we are finding a lot of success. So I hope that is a little bit of hope for you that if one of your students or families do run into the system, that there will be a positive outcome. Even if right, don't forget to submit a question for next week and we're going to see you in court.

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