Ep. 429: The Complete Hulk Hogan | The Birth of Hulk Hogan (Part 1)

<v Speaker 1>It's The Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast special report. The Lapsed
<v Speaker 1>Fan presents the Complete Hull Cogan, a real American story,
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<v Speaker 2>Garage Pierre Well Boss. We I think are as well
<v Speaker 2>acquainted as anyone could have expected us to be with
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bola at this point, I mean more so than
<v Speaker 2>I ever anticipated. To be honest with you, you're living
<v Speaker 2>under a complete Hulk Cogan. Dude, if you're living under
<v Speaker 2>a rock or you stuffed one up your nose as
<v Speaker 2>a boy, you need to know that the last thing
<v Speaker 2>we dropped on the feed is part of the complete
<v Speaker 2>Hull Cogan journey. In interview with essentially Hulk Hogan slash
<v Speaker 2>Terry Boley's best childhood friend, Vic Pettitt is the height
<v Speaker 2>of achievement for us. And anyways, it's as lapsed as
<v Speaker 2>it gets, and that nobody else is going to do
<v Speaker 2>that short of, like, you know, a documentary that might
<v Speaker 2>include snippets of him. But we cleared the decks where
<v Speaker 2>we said, you know what, this has to happen if
<v Speaker 2>we have even a centil of a chance of bringing
<v Speaker 2>voices to the four that you know, with the exception
<v Speaker 2>of some newspaper articles, over the year never in a
<v Speaker 2>podcast format dedicated focused conversation with Vic Pettit about all
<v Speaker 2>human members about Terry Boleya. We've got to do it,
<v Speaker 2>and we're able to do it because the complete Hulk
<v Speaker 2>Cogan comes with our win at the sales from you
<v Speaker 2>and the Solar System and the financial support you put forward.
<v Speaker 2>Able to find him wasn't free getting him. It's all
<v Speaker 2>part of what we've been saying since day one on
<v Speaker 2>that fucking cast. It's a virtuous circle. You put in,
<v Speaker 2>you get out, and the complete hul Cogan Boss at
<v Speaker 2>this rate is going to service the old lall testom.
<v Speaker 2>You get in, we thrust in, we don't pull out.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you very very much for that. So now that
<v Speaker 2>we have this deeply textured understanding of who the boyhood
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bolea was and who he wasn't as far as
<v Speaker 2>Little League, All Star World Series exploits and such, so
<v Speaker 2>funny to hear Vic just say no, oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>just no, oh, I I listen any any any story
<v Speaker 2>that he was able to debunk was just fucking spectacular.
<v Speaker 2>And to confirm I also like to hear that, you
<v Speaker 2>know what, maybe he was a he was a stand
<v Speaker 2>up guy when it came to knocking a bully out
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. And hey, I love the idea
<v Speaker 2>that he like that, that he was you know, that
<v Speaker 2>he was tied with his friend until the very end.
<v Speaker 2>That was huge. I mean, you know, Yeah, he's like
<v Speaker 2>headline in WrestleMania and Vic Pettitt's got the the Limo treatment.
<v Speaker 2>He can go wherever he wants crazy. So yeah, Terry
<v Speaker 2>remembers the uh, the homies from the old neighborhood. And
<v Speaker 2>we're just getting started. We're just getting started here. The
<v Speaker 2>complete whole code and the lapsed fans drop everything effort
<v Speaker 2>to document all that is documentable about the life and
<v Speaker 2>times of Terry Bull aka hul Cogan. And we're kind
<v Speaker 2>of turning a page here because thus thus far it's
<v Speaker 2>been about the birth of Terry Bolea. And that was
<v Speaker 2>a purposeful title because there's the birth of Terry Boleya
<v Speaker 2>and there's the birth of Hulcoke.
<v Speaker 3>Isn't there?
<v Speaker 2>There Absolutely is, And the lines are blurred right around
<v Speaker 2>the time period we're going to spend this next episode
<v Speaker 2>focused on when Hulk Hogan transitions from Tampa Boy playing
<v Speaker 2>the little League trying to find his way awkward, big head,
<v Speaker 2>huge body, heavyweight, eating baby ruths playing Tonka trucks everything
<v Speaker 2>we talked about, sticking rocks up his nose. Well, he's
<v Speaker 2>eating baby Ruth. That is so dirty. It's his mom.
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't a baby by then. I guess that's true.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's what he called her to baby Ruth. Dude's
<v Speaker 2>baby Ruth. That's like a that's probably what Kenny Wheeler's
<v Speaker 2>dad call her Baby Ruth. Come in. Yeah, we're both
<v Speaker 2>panamon We're both Panamanian. I am a real Panamanian. So
<v Speaker 2>it starts to subtly happen because you know, you think
<v Speaker 2>of hull cog and you think of him strumming a guitar.
<v Speaker 2>Be it, oh, the Real American video with Deren Journ
<v Speaker 2>eighty five, be it the Slamy Awards after hull Comedia
<v Speaker 2>had truly began running wild, or even be it as
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood Hulkogin and WCW turning the Big Gold Belt into
<v Speaker 2>a guitar I tenure with Metallica. But we'll get to that.
<v Speaker 2>But that's that little glimpse picking up a guitar. Is
<v Speaker 2>that glimpse of showmanship that was deep in the spirit
<v Speaker 2>of Terry Bolea that allowed Hulk Hogan to exist, and
<v Speaker 2>it's taking up music in the seventies when he's still
<v Speaker 2>in high school and getting involved in a series of
<v Speaker 2>bands that achieved some level of renown as far as
<v Speaker 2>we can tell, in the Tampa area, playing college campuses,
<v Speaker 2>playing bars and clubs, playing frat parties and things like that,
<v Speaker 2>that Terry Boleya starts to find hul Cogan in himself.
<v Speaker 2>That's where he realizes that, you know, I actually there
<v Speaker 2>is some pizazz to this big, awkward sob that's too
<v Speaker 2>afraid to play football and Crank's home runs without even
<v Speaker 2>trying at age twelve. That's where the transition lies. And
<v Speaker 2>so this, ladies and gentlemen on the Complete hull Cogan
<v Speaker 2>is part one of the birth of hul Cogin and
<v Speaker 2>Tyler to the point, we must still start with Terry
<v Speaker 2>Boleya if we're to begin to detect the origin, the birth,
<v Speaker 2>the spawning of hul Cogin. And we're going to do
<v Speaker 2>just that, and we're going to do it, I think, Boss,
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<v Speaker 2>the first under the cinemat of the complete hul Covin era.
<v Speaker 2>Tell them about goonies. Oh fuck yeah, listen. If you
<v Speaker 2>don't know about goonies, go fuck yourself, all right, it's
<v Speaker 2>a classic, correct, and it really it was. Listen, dude,
<v Speaker 2>I can say I was one of those I've never
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<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan is not in it directly, there is no
<v Speaker 2>better way to really start, you know, these scattered under
<v Speaker 2>the cinemat episodes that are going to happen throughout the
<v Speaker 2>complete Hull Cogan because it personifies nineteen eighty five and
<v Speaker 2>the explosion of professional wrestling in the WWE onto the world. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>with Cindel Opera and the music video, it's precisely exactly
<v Speaker 2>the cultural wave that Hulk in the WWF road. Yeah. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and it's it just it felt like such an important,
<v Speaker 2>an important place to start because it's a it's a
<v Speaker 2>classic film again and and like we said on the episode,
<v Speaker 2>it's nineteen eighty five, Like nineteen eighty five is almost
<v Speaker 2>like it is this important year for pop culture in
<v Speaker 2>so many ways, and not the least of which is
<v Speaker 2>professional wrestling and Hulkgan and so it all just it
<v Speaker 2>all seemed fitting and also a nice little segue, you know,
<v Speaker 2>because it does deal with you know, pirates and skeletons
<v Speaker 2>and a couple of little freaky moments here and there,
<v Speaker 2>and it takes place during the fall that it made
<v Speaker 2>perfect sense that we would segue right into scary movie
<v Speaker 2>season correct. And it's going to be a good one,
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. I mean, like the jackal lantern for
<v Speaker 2>your Patreon dollar. The seasonal tradition continues under the cinema.
<v Speaker 2>I got, I got my fucking pumping pumpkin candle, you know,
<v Speaker 2>flaring up right now. You've already had several PSLs. I
<v Speaker 2>take it. Oh fuck yes, absolutely, even though it's kind
<v Speaker 2>of an arm. You've had enough of those days. You've
<v Speaker 2>been kissed by the coolness number one. Yes, the coolness.
<v Speaker 2>There has been enough coolness in that it is definitely
<v Speaker 2>qualifies as fall number two. The moment that that fucking
<v Speaker 2>drink is available, it is fall. I don't fucking care
<v Speaker 2>what the data is. You know, they're going to get
<v Speaker 2>a CEO in the next five years. Who's going to
<v Speaker 2>have the bread idea to have it on the menu
<v Speaker 2>twelve months a year, you know that, right, And it's
<v Speaker 2>going to ruin it. That's correct. We'll calling it now,
<v Speaker 2>We'll ruin it. We'll calling it now. It's going to
<v Speaker 2>be called everything else that's happened since we've been doing this. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>it'll ruin it the moment that someone does that, all right,
<v Speaker 2>it'll ruin the pumpkin spice Lotte. And I'll tell you what,
<v Speaker 2>I won't do it for all year long. No, I can't.
<v Speaker 2>I I I do enjoy, Okay, I know that it's
<v Speaker 2>early for a lot of people, not for me, but
<v Speaker 2>I do enjoy when pumpkin stuff starts coming up in July.
<v Speaker 2>That makes me very happy. It reminds me of well,
<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, goodness, it's a head, it's an exit. It's
<v Speaker 2>a the promise of an eject button when it's like
<v Speaker 2>four hundred degrees, yeah, exactly. And it's hilarious that it happens, like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, three weeks after summer officially starts. It's kind
<v Speaker 2>of fucking hilarious. Well yeah, I've heard people say, like
<v Speaker 2>after July fourth, summer's over. I hate to tell you exactly.
<v Speaker 2>It kind of is. I'll give it to July thirty first.
<v Speaker 2>Once August hits, forget. I just want August be done with.
<v Speaker 2>August is simply a transition month. It doesn't count for anything.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry for all all August birthdays. I'm sorry, including
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bolas, including Terry Bolayas. All right, it just does
<v Speaker 2>not count. I'm trussed to say it. By the way,
<v Speaker 2>after talking to Vic pettit is it Terry. Definitely. I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to actually, i gotta say Bowlia from now on.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm going to I'm going classic Italian that bowlea.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you said that because people were like, you
<v Speaker 2>gotta do it. Terry Bolayas shirt. I'm like, dude, pro
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling Tease dot Com, slash the lapsed fan. It's there,
<v Speaker 2>all right. We got the Terry Terry Bolea Championship lanes.
<v Speaker 2>We've got so much more color on Terry's bowling days
<v Speaker 2>due to Vic, who not only was his childhood best friend,
<v Speaker 2>but they were bowling partners as youths and made the
<v Speaker 2>local papers for their exploits. Vic even went on to
<v Speaker 2>be a professional bowler for years on the circuit highly
<v Speaker 2>decorated in that in that field, tremendous stuff and so
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bolaya's shirts available Alan Rules and tribute to Hulks
<v Speaker 2>Lay Brother who we got some color on from VIC
<v Speaker 2>as well, available at Pro Wrestling Teas and it's been
<v Speaker 2>so great to see folks circle over to our Chopped
<v Speaker 2>tea store where you can't get as everything on top
<v Speaker 2>of T shirts such as you know, hoodies and track jackets.
<v Speaker 2>And a big shout out to Chris poob subscriber that
<v Speaker 2>is x C Chris on x who sent us some
<v Speaker 2>great photos of him rocking that wonderful yellow and blue
<v Speaker 2>John DuPont inspired fan track jack totally very DuPont inspired
<v Speaker 2>courtesy of his I think he said his fiance or
<v Speaker 2>his significant other. So big ups there for you know,
<v Speaker 2>a birthday to remember courtesy of our many merchandise offerings.
<v Speaker 2>That's how to show support to the cast and at
<v Speaker 2>Patreon we continue to deliver because coming up. Look, if
<v Speaker 2>w W HE and AW you are going to beat
<v Speaker 2>each other's throats, then fine, we'll just keep cash and checks.
<v Speaker 2>That's fine with us. And so the Wrestle Poloosa Live
<v Speaker 2>call coming your way for your Patreon dollar because of course, boss,
<v Speaker 2>we had to have a wrestle palooza. Everyone was screaming
<v Speaker 2>for it, clamoring, I mean, what the fuck on to God? Like,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and and well, you know what the best
<v Speaker 2>part is too, This is what I love about it
<v Speaker 2>is that they also made such a big deal about
<v Speaker 2>it being the fucking the first one on ESPN, but
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be on Peacock. I'm very confused right now.
<v Speaker 2>I'm really confused about that whole link. I understand, like
<v Speaker 2>they made a big fucking deal about dropping Peacock early,
<v Speaker 2>but they're still gonna have this one on Peacock. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I already got my ESPN. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 2>just so fucking just, honest to god, it's just it's ruined, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>it's something that had already been ruined. We already were lapsed. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Like because they just couldn't leave it alone, Like why
<v Speaker 2>couldn't Why did it have to be Like why couldn't
<v Speaker 2>Peacock just kind of like have a link that goes
<v Speaker 2>just to the network, Like why why couldn't just be
<v Speaker 2>the same fucking thing. You know, it's just so stupid,
<v Speaker 2>It's so so fucking stupid when Cornett and Brian last
<v Speaker 2>were talking to the last show about the Ronda Rousing interview,
<v Speaker 2>and they said about the lapsed fan, and Cornet goes,
<v Speaker 2>who is this fan and why did he lapse? This
<v Speaker 2>is the time code to give them right here, because
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to live in a streaming paradise, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to live in a world where like,
<v Speaker 2>all right, Netflix for this pea coffee. I mean, because
<v Speaker 2>we all know it's headed towards cable. Again I read
<v Speaker 2>by me it's there. Did we just get there? Like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>I already there. I didn't cut the cord. I'm not
<v Speaker 2>like a gen zer who thinks it's like a boomer
<v Speaker 2>thing to have cable? Could we just like by the way,
<v Speaker 2>by the way, also one thing too, by the way,
<v Speaker 2>that reminds me of one thing. Back to Goony's for
<v Speaker 2>a second. I declare that those born between I think
<v Speaker 2>it was nineteen seventy six and nineteen eighty three are
<v Speaker 2>the Gooney generation. Love it. I fucking stand by that.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a gen Z. I'm not a fucking millennial
<v Speaker 2>matter whatever the fuck they say. I'm a goony, so
<v Speaker 2>fuck you all. I'm a goony. I'm a that sounds
<v Speaker 2>much cooler, much cooler than millennial. Hey, I stand by it.
<v Speaker 2>I don't care. It's more relatable than a millennial. I don't.
<v Speaker 2>I don't identify as a millennial. Pieces of shit. I
<v Speaker 2>graduated in nineteen ninety nine. I'm not a fucking millennial.
<v Speaker 2>All right, you're a millennial later, Oh my god, I
<v Speaker 2>you know we're just we're not We're not gooning. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>let's be clear about that, so you know it's all
<v Speaker 2>it's all going to be to our benefit. Fine, if
<v Speaker 2>we got to watch Wrestle POLSA, you don't have to.
<v Speaker 2>If the live calls, the premium live calls will be
<v Speaker 2>available on your Patreon. And look, if they're doing it
<v Speaker 2>to fuck with AW, all that does is make us go, well,
<v Speaker 2>if we're already doing this, if we're already sacrificing a Saturday,
<v Speaker 2>why don't we give the people that still follow this
<v Speaker 2>stuff what they so desperately want, which is us to
<v Speaker 2>comment on AW. Because that's ninety percent of wrestling media nowadays,
<v Speaker 2>is they want to say something about age. I know,
<v Speaker 2>I know, it's kind of just I don't know, it's
<v Speaker 2>off putting. It is not particularly interesting to me, but
<v Speaker 2>we'll do it because that's what WW gets for going
<v Speaker 2>head to head. Fine, uh, looking forward to that the
<v Speaker 2>AE w all Out show in Toronto. Head to Head
<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be in the afternoon, but expect your live
<v Speaker 2>calls in and around whatever matches we do. We're not
<v Speaker 2>gonna do the whole card, no, absolutely not, but expect
<v Speaker 2>those to come after the Wrestle Paluza live call files.
<v Speaker 2>I know people might get confused about that. Of course.
<v Speaker 2>Wrestle Mamia also available under this Oh oh yes, yes, indeed,
<v Speaker 2>get in touch with why on the Patreon Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>under the paywall. That's what it is. We want to
<v Speaker 2>get in touch with why. We feel necessary to turn
<v Speaker 2>the whole show over to understanding hul Cogan. It's those
<v Speaker 2>days watching with Mama in the room. Oh and that's
<v Speaker 2>and let me tell you, like she's she's on fire.
<v Speaker 2>Part of me is saying I got to find a
<v Speaker 2>way to get her on the on the on on
<v Speaker 2>the phone when we watch it. So I'm not gonna
<v Speaker 2>be I'm not gonna be with her in person. I
<v Speaker 2>kind of want it. I kind of want her to
<v Speaker 2>be on a w stuff from now on. Well, you
<v Speaker 2>know after that, no promises. We we prefer to deliver
<v Speaker 2>our surprises than to make promises, that's for sure. I no,
<v Speaker 2>I can't make promises on that. But you know, I
<v Speaker 2>mean they're there there, there's so much you know, wrestle
<v Speaker 2>mamia is is. It's on fire. Honestly, my mom is
<v Speaker 2>just insane with all the with with all this ship. Well,
<v Speaker 2>forget what just came out, something just came out. Well,
<v Speaker 2>by the time you but time, by the time this drops,
<v Speaker 2>it'll be uh well, it'll be uh money incorporated versus
<v Speaker 2>the natural disasters. I don't remember which, Oh I know
<v Speaker 2>what it's from. And that's that's the that's the Worcester show.
<v Speaker 2>That's the Worster show that I was at. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you get to dialogue with her about attending in person exactly.
<v Speaker 2>She'll she'll she will, I will tell her, and she
<v Speaker 2>will forget that I was there. Yeah, you'll be reminded
<v Speaker 2>several times exactly. So that's just fucking awesome. Let's get
<v Speaker 2>a little more complete, shall we, I think so when
<v Speaker 2>we last left to you, I'm here for completion on
<v Speaker 2>the complete hul Cogan Young ed Leslie, a Tampa boy
<v Speaker 2>himself as Vic Petta talked to us about showing up
<v Speaker 2>the Sportatorium on a Wednesday morning for Florida Championship Wrestling
<v Speaker 2>used to tape it's weekend television in a small studio
<v Speaker 2>setting with no air conditioning in Tampa, Florida. And don't
<v Speaker 2>I think it's fair that there was a sportatorium in Tampa.
<v Speaker 2>Is a huge problem. It's a big problem. Yeah. It
<v Speaker 2>really aggravates me because that for so long I was like,
<v Speaker 2>am I getting this confused? I swear the sportatorium was
<v Speaker 2>in Dallas. No, there's only one sportatorium, So they should
<v Speaker 2>change them. They should even in the history books, just
<v Speaker 2>change the name and too this like this territory was
<v Speaker 2>running when the sportatorium really meant something in Dallas. So
<v Speaker 2>that's maybe the sport of Pleuxe or something like that
<v Speaker 2>about that. Yeah, it's a sport of garden, fifteen seats
<v Speaker 2>in it quite quite the toorium. But uh, ed Leslie
<v Speaker 2>standing in line with the sister who he begged to
<v Speaker 2>take him to the tapings, and he's looking out ahead,
<v Speaker 2>and who does he see towering in line above everybody else?
<v Speaker 2>A Terry Boleya that he remembered from high school as
<v Speaker 2>a big baseball player who's now kind of involved in
<v Speaker 2>music and suddenly has an aura of coolness about him,
<v Speaker 2>at least through young ed Leslie's eyes, who was like
<v Speaker 2>three years younger than Hulkogan. And you know, he introduces himself,
<v Speaker 2>reminds him of who he is in line, and yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Terry lets him know that he's he started to lift
<v Speaker 2>and everything started to change. And so we're going to
<v Speaker 2>walk back up to that line, not only the line
<v Speaker 2>had Leslie stood in, but that line in the continuum
<v Speaker 2>of Hulk Cogan's history. He's playing in a band at
<v Speaker 2>nineteen and it's obvious he's hitting the gym instead of
<v Speaker 2>just hitting a baseball. How did he go from the
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bola that we've met this far in the journey
<v Speaker 2>to this giant that ed Leslie came in touch? Question?
<v Speaker 2>How about we start with Infinity's End. Excuse that's complicated,
<v Speaker 2>isn't it. That's very complicated. Yes, So nineteen sixty nine
<v Speaker 2>was the year and the band is called Infinity's End.
<v Speaker 2>This Infinity's End, Yes, is essentially Terry Bolea's first band
<v Speaker 2>that he ever played in. This is the one that
<v Speaker 2>most of the chronology start with. He talks in his
<v Speaker 2>books about there being a band before that that had
<v Speaker 2>a name that never really played any clubs, didn't play
<v Speaker 2>any paid gigs or anything like that. So it's you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of stressed stretching to say that that was
<v Speaker 2>one of his bands as well. But for all intents
<v Speaker 2>and purposes, it starts with Infinity's End. And we're very fortunate,
<v Speaker 2>if you can check your email, boss, that the Bradenton
<v Speaker 2>Harold out in Florida in the year nineteen and sixty
<v Speaker 2>nine went ahead and wrote up an upcoming especially a
<v Speaker 2>press release, but an upcoming gig that Infinity's End was
<v Speaker 2>prepared to play. You've probably seen pictures of hul Kogan
<v Speaker 2>from his days in music in Tampa. One is the
<v Speaker 2>band Ruckus that we'll get to talking about, where he's
<v Speaker 2>got the shoulder length blonde hair and looks sort of
<v Speaker 2>like his future wife actually, But you've seen the other
<v Speaker 2>one where he's got you know, it's a very seventies
<v Speaker 2>leisure suit kind of top and him and his bandmates
<v Speaker 2>are posing around you know, those Florida palm trees and
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a staged photo shoot. Well, it was
<v Speaker 2>the publicity for some of these first rounds of gigs
<v Speaker 2>that Infinity's End would play, that those shots came from
<v Speaker 2>because a key member of the band, his father was
<v Speaker 2>essentially their manager and publicist as well. And so why
<v Speaker 2>don't we acquaint folks if you could boss with oh, yes,
<v Speaker 2>what a what it would have been like to be
<v Speaker 2>living in Bradenton, Florida in nineteen sixty nine, July seventeenth,
<v Speaker 2>to be exact, flipping the pages and laying eyes on
<v Speaker 2>a picture of these high school kids in a band
<v Speaker 2>including the future Hulk Hogan. Infinity's End is big sound.
<v Speaker 2>One word describes the new look and sound of Infinity's End,
<v Speaker 2>Big Yeah. The big look of this Tampa group means
<v Speaker 2>five playing bass, guitar, trumpet, drums, lead guitar, organ, and
<v Speaker 2>lead singer. The big look me look means light, black
<v Speaker 2>means light. Oh means light black, strobe on the beat
<v Speaker 2>and psychedelic slides. I don't the big I do not
<v Speaker 2>understand the style of writing back then. Man, dude, this
<v Speaker 2>is weird. It's like you're writing like you would talk
<v Speaker 2>if you were high, you know, right, I mean yeah, man,
<v Speaker 2>like the guy that introduces Forrest Gump. Washington Monument yeah,
<v Speaker 2>on the mall, the National Mall. Yes, Forrest Gump, But
<v Speaker 2>what's your name? Man's a real guy too. I can't
<v Speaker 2>think he was looking. I'm sure he's a real guy.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that was I know, I can't, I know,
<v Speaker 2>but I'm like, he's like, he's he's famous. He was
<v Speaker 2>part of the you know he was you got arrested.
<v Speaker 2>It's a big deal. But anyway, I can't think of
<v Speaker 2>his name. The big sound means more music power with
<v Speaker 2>bigger amps and the up to date songs of Iron, Butterfly, Fudge, Krea, Cree,
<v Speaker 2>maybe Kree. I don't know. Abbe Hosmon by the way,
<v Speaker 2>there it is Abbey Hoppin. Yes, th anti war activist.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that he was lifted up. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah. Creden's clear Water along with current pop and
<v Speaker 2>the rock generation favorites of the Rascals and others, and
<v Speaker 2>all adds up to a big happening for all who
<v Speaker 2>can make it to the Youth Center of Manatee County
<v Speaker 2>this Saturday night at from eight to ten thirty pm.
<v Speaker 2>Infinity's en includes Chet Yoakum lead singer, Mike Barris, bass guitar,
<v Speaker 2>and trumpet, Terry Bowlia lead guitar are John Phillips drums
<v Speaker 2>and Gary Barris organ and guitar. Gate fee, brother, we're
<v Speaker 2>talking about gate fee right for the get go here. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they're pretty good. They got a guy with advisor counting
<v Speaker 2>the money, big fat sweaty oh fucking counting money with
<v Speaker 2>a cigar, and and and and and uh, you know,
<v Speaker 2>fucking stealing half their half their fucking gate gate fee
<v Speaker 2>will be fifty cents for members and a dollar for
<v Speaker 2>out of county guests of members, what about just regular people?
<v Speaker 2>That's great question. Uh, seventh graders who have passed into
<v Speaker 2>the eighth grade are eligible to attend the center, and
<v Speaker 2>those who have not passed therefore are going to be exterminated,
<v Speaker 2>and membership is offered to those students at a dollar.
<v Speaker 2>All membership cards expire as of October. First. Dressed for
<v Speaker 2>the evening will be casual, with no bare feet, short shorts, cutoffs,
<v Speaker 2>mid drifts, or sea throughs being allowed nineteen sixty nine.
<v Speaker 2>And most importantly, okay, this is this is and this
<v Speaker 2>is very very important. Before the closion hour. Correct, you
<v Speaker 2>can't leave, You're stuck. So if the building's on fire,
<v Speaker 2>you can't get out if the building's on fire. That
<v Speaker 2>just means Infinity's end kicked it into another gear. Oh my,
<v Speaker 2>because as we know, boss, every new beginning comes from
<v Speaker 2>some other Infinity's end. It's the complete old Coagan excellent.
<v Speaker 2>So that's uh, that's what's happening. Kids, Come on down, Christ,
<v Speaker 2>come on down, Come on down. Infinity's end. Big sound,
<v Speaker 2>big time, big party, big happening. That's that's the old
<v Speaker 2>George Carlic you wonderful? Why no, the big sound in
<v Speaker 2>the big town tremendously. What a time to be alive,
<v Speaker 2>What a time to be Terry Bowley? Do you see
<v Speaker 2>do you see the pick there the picture of the article. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>he looks like a fucking club let me know that, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>Like you just can't with it. I mean he looks
<v Speaker 2>like somebody I can't. I can't, fucking I mean he
<v Speaker 2>kind of looks like Andy Kaufman in a way.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well he parts his hair the same way. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and like he's got he's also he's he's just tall.
<v Speaker 2>He's skinny. He's a skinny motherfucker. Yeah that's the thing,
<v Speaker 2>big ass head. You were so fat. You were real, No,
<v Speaker 2>you real? You know he seriously was not fat. People
<v Speaker 2>don't understand what fat is, honestly, Like they think is
<v Speaker 2>like a ten year old and a twelve year old
<v Speaker 2>but by the time school. But but even so, like
<v Speaker 2>people like if you get a little billy like, no, sorry,
<v Speaker 2>you're not fat, Like you're not fat. Okay, I'm fat, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I know what it is, all right, I've been feeling
<v Speaker 2>my whole life. All right. He had a pot belly
<v Speaker 2>because he couldn't stop toking. So much credit to Vic
<v Speaker 2>Pettitt for going there. He's like absolutely absolutely, Oh you
<v Speaker 2>carry it in a separate fanny pack. Let's fucking go.
<v Speaker 2>Enough bullshit. You know he's gone. We mourn the loss.
<v Speaker 2>Let's let's let's get down to what actually it was like,
<v Speaker 2>you know exactly. Listen, I don't have time for other shit,
<v Speaker 2>all right, I need I need to know what happened,
<v Speaker 2>when it happened, how it happened, yes, and why it happened.
<v Speaker 2>I would I would encourage you and anyone in the
<v Speaker 2>Solar system who doesn't get an instant mental image when
<v Speaker 2>I say this, to Google it as well. Relic rhymes
<v Speaker 2>R E L I C rhymes. If you could just
<v Speaker 2>do that for me, that relic rhymes yeah, that's uh,
<v Speaker 2>that's what Terry looks like to me in this particular picture. Well,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yes, not without the Bob he doesn't have
<v Speaker 2>the Bobby airtrack, but a lot of its accurate. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>that's for sure. This guy was balding at nineteen. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean he's got like as hard as there's somebody
<v Speaker 2>who like, I can I know who this is, but
<v Speaker 2>I cannot figure out who like the name. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he's got you know, it's just he's got a part
<v Speaker 2>and it's like long, it's almost like he's got almost
<v Speaker 2>like a bowl cut going on a brother and then
<v Speaker 2>alongside burns, and it looks like he's at like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>almost like dark roots for some reason. So right, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it depends how far back you go as far as
<v Speaker 2>dark roots. True, they're true. Their manager was the father
<v Speaker 2>of the keyboard player Gary you mentioned Barriss, and their
<v Speaker 2>costume designer was in fact Gary's mother. And I recall
<v Speaker 2>that Terry Bullya played guitar and the Christian Youth ranch
<v Speaker 2>band we talked about. He just started getting interested in
<v Speaker 2>guitar and by the time his friends asked him to
<v Speaker 2>accompany them Vic Pettit included he went with him to
<v Speaker 2>the Christian youth ranch. There was a need for a guitarist,
<v Speaker 2>and Terry Boleya knew, you know, rudimentary enough stuff to
<v Speaker 2>play some Russians for them on the guitar. And yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Vic Bettett has talked about every Saturday, in addition to
<v Speaker 2>all of this, they'd watch Florida Championship Wrestling. According to
<v Speaker 2>Hogan's book, we heard memories and recollections of Vick's father
<v Speaker 2>taking them to the Fort Hesterley the sight of the
<v Speaker 2>big regular Florida Championship Wrestling cards, and Polk recalls in
<v Speaker 2>one of his books him and his buddies going outside
<v Speaker 2>in the parking lot during shop class in high school
<v Speaker 2>and pretending to ram each other's heads into a door
<v Speaker 2>or fake body slam someone. Jesus, how do you fake
<v Speaker 2>body slam someone? It already is fake. I mean maybe
<v Speaker 2>you don't put the hand on the thigh. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>It's like when Triple H said this week in announcing
<v Speaker 2>WrestleMania and Saudi Arabia that we're going to Saudi. Is
<v Speaker 2>that them? Yeah, We're going to take a trip. TLF
<v Speaker 2>Live show in Saudi, you imagine, Yeah, we'll do it.
<v Speaker 2>We'll do it in one of three hundred thousand Lexus
<v Speaker 2>dealerships that they have over there, in Mercedes and Bugatti
<v Speaker 2>and blah blah blah. So yeah, I'm already looking. I'm
<v Speaker 2>already trying to figure out how to like wear this
<v Speaker 2>robe appropriately. It's at the house, but I don't know
<v Speaker 2>how to wear it yet. I'm trying to figure it out.
<v Speaker 2>So and I got a I got an old picnic
<v Speaker 2>napkin here that I'm gonna trying to perfectly wrap around
<v Speaker 2>my head perfect word. So when it comes to that,
<v Speaker 2>you know that comment, Triple H basically said, we're a
<v Speaker 2>movie about the sport, We're not the sport. I can't
<v Speaker 2>with him saying that. Why isn't that accurate? I mean,
<v Speaker 2>isn't it? No, Yes, it is, actually listen, it's completely accurate.
<v Speaker 2>It's just it just goes against everything he was saying
<v Speaker 2>twenty years ago. Yeah, mister, I don't even that's tough
<v Speaker 2>enough because it exposes the business. Right, So what we're
<v Speaker 2>talking about, mister c M. Punk doesn't know how to
<v Speaker 2>wrestle a real match and only knows how to simulate matches.
<v Speaker 2>What Rocky Rocky is a movie about something that's real, Right,
<v Speaker 2>it can't be a fake movie about something that's already fake, Like,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, right, I mean you can be. But I'm
<v Speaker 2>really confused. It's very I mean, there's there's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of metas shit going on there that I can't explain it. Know,
<v Speaker 2>Dana's on the board, but uh yeah, so there there's Terry.
<v Speaker 2>You know, as much as he's getting into music, pro
<v Speaker 2>wrestling and Florida Championship Wrestling is still very much in
<v Speaker 2>his peripheral and it's in his spirit. He's he's horsing
<v Speaker 2>around with his friends, like in ways we can all
<v Speaker 2>identify with as as boyhood wrestling fans, fake bodies, slamming
<v Speaker 2>someone on the hood of a car, hamming it up
<v Speaker 2>like they were really getting hurt. Selling. I'm sure Hulk
<v Speaker 2>was very mindful of all his friends selling appropriately. I
<v Speaker 2>mean didn't take kindly to any you know, to anyone
<v Speaker 2>coming up behind him. I think we learned that with
<v Speaker 2>the rock to the backstory. Dude, I mean, from day one,
<v Speaker 2>from day one, he's upset about people coming up from behind. Okay, yes,
<v Speaker 2>day one. So I'd like to now now turn to
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan's first book, the one that WW published, where
<v Speaker 2>he will give us a little bit of a sense boss,
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a sense of how he became
<v Speaker 2>a music man. So if you can warm up those
<v Speaker 2>those Terry pipes for the Solar Sister, please uh convey
<v Speaker 2>this to our listeners, all right. By the time I
<v Speaker 2>got ninth grade, I was known for my guitar playing.
<v Speaker 2>No known this community. People knew that Terry, though, he
<v Speaker 2>says non, I mean that that's very vague and it
<v Speaker 2>could be very you know, it could be misleading, could
<v Speaker 2>be it is misleading. I got my first little band together.
<v Speaker 2>We called it Infinity's End. First, you know, we were
<v Speaker 2>just screwing around, but then we started. Then we started
<v Speaker 2>getting dates to play at parties on the weekends, and
<v Speaker 2>we were booked up almost almost all the time. A
<v Speaker 2>keyboard player was a guy named Gary, whose father was
<v Speaker 2>our manager. He drive us around in his station wagon
<v Speaker 2>with the U haul trailer hooked up to it. I
<v Speaker 2>remember we had to wear socks when we played, and
<v Speaker 2>Gary's mum painted our blue jeans with black light with
<v Speaker 2>black light paint. I do love there's the black lights.
<v Speaker 2>What are he's talking about? From that article, right, they
<v Speaker 2>would glow in the dark, apparently, when they would turn
<v Speaker 2>the lights out in these stuffy clubs that they would play.
<v Speaker 2>That's something to picture. I do love that we get
<v Speaker 2>the stories from growing up. Hulk Hogan voice when you
<v Speaker 2>read his stuff. Oh, highly appropriate. Listen, all of the sudden,
<v Speaker 2>I was the odd man out brother, All of a sudden, dude.
<v Speaker 2>I can't even know what's happening, all of a sudden, dude,
<v Speaker 2>But black lights paint. So when the black lights came
<v Speaker 2>up and for a book, all the paint would light up.
<v Speaker 2>It seems like a pretty cool ideal of the time.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely for a bunch of kids. We did all right
<v Speaker 2>for ourselves. You know, we played in Agata Davida. Tell
<v Speaker 2>me about in Agata Davida. What do you know about it?
<v Speaker 2>I know nothing in Gotadavida. Did you hear that? Yes?
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, all right. You picture Terry Blay in high
<v Speaker 2>school with that hair playing the song w T L
<v Speaker 2>so in a Godavita apparently is a slurve way of
<v Speaker 2>saying in the Garden of Eden. That's why I always
<v Speaker 2>I always knew it in the Garden of Eden, because
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you I always think of what what I what?
<v Speaker 2>I always it always makes me think of the I
<v Speaker 2>think it's Bart sells his Soul from The Simpsons where
<v Speaker 2>Bart switches the their church and Bart switches the organ
<v Speaker 2>music with this in the Garden of Eden, and then
<v Speaker 2>priests go the pastor goes in the garden of eating
<v Speaker 2>by I Ron Butterfly and and they play and everyone's singing.
<v Speaker 2>It's fucking it's the most fucking funniest thing. It's great.
<v Speaker 2>That's a very Simpsons thing. I love that. Yeah, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>So that's the kind of music you need to picture
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan in high school playing before like you know,
<v Speaker 2>a teen group or something like that. I just it
<v Speaker 2>just puts that song. It's like a perfect time capsule
<v Speaker 2>of like what the sound is that I would expect
<v Speaker 2>to come out of people who look like this in photographs,
<v Speaker 2>because I'm here to tell you and I'd love to
<v Speaker 2>be proven wrong here. There there is no recordings of
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan playing music in his teenage years anywhere I
<v Speaker 2>once found us. Unless some yeah, I want to say,
<v Speaker 2>unless there's somebody who who who who has you know,
<v Speaker 2>you know, tapings on who's there at the events or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>One of his band members or something like that, who
<v Speaker 2>is still alive with their area. I have to think
<v Speaker 2>by now would come out with all the dogs that
<v Speaker 2>have been done on him. Nothing. We don't know what
<v Speaker 2>it sounded like to be in those clubs, and that's
<v Speaker 2>a damn shame. I know, I know I would. I
<v Speaker 2>want to hear it. I want to hear what people
<v Speaker 2>I want to I want to hear the response to
<v Speaker 2>Infinity's end. Yes, I want to hear, like Terry take
<v Speaker 2>the mic between songs and how's everybody doing tonight? You know,
<v Speaker 2>did that do everybody? How's everyone going? Brother? That's all
<v Speaker 2>you see it? Yeah, he said, I wanted to And
<v Speaker 2>they got a Vita Dudes and a Vita Loca. What
<v Speaker 2>was uh uh? Yeah? What was Terry's first girlfriend? Miss leading?
<v Speaker 2>That's right, misleading? And and there he was. And he
<v Speaker 2>would talk later about you know that being his first
<v Speaker 2>feeling that he had a little bit of showmanship in
<v Speaker 2>him was the way he would warm up the crowd
<v Speaker 2>on the mic despite not being the vocalist, and he
<v Speaker 2>would he would play that role in certain bands as
<v Speaker 2>the time washing and he got comfortable to be like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I know how to rile up a crowd,
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's sort of important for wrestling. Yeah, I'll
<v Speaker 2>say that's very important things, would you know turn out
<v Speaker 2>in the end? All right, then you gotta be one.
<v Speaker 2>The title is famously a slurred version of in the
<v Speaker 2>Garden Veden too. No, that's just that's just a note
<v Speaker 2>of mine. So yeah, he says, And I got oh
<v Speaker 2>and all old Stefan Wool songs. We knew everything that
<v Speaker 2>was on the radio. And we had two guitar players,
<v Speaker 2>a drummer, a bass player, and a keyboard player, which
<v Speaker 2>was pretty intense for a ninth grade band. The music
<v Speaker 2>remained an underlying theme for me. You know, I go
<v Speaker 2>to high school, I started playing even even better bands,
<v Speaker 2>and that became my job, my income. I didn't go
<v Speaker 2>out after school and work in McDonald's or the hobby shop.
<v Speaker 2>And the hobby shop. But okay, I mean it's like
<v Speaker 2>talking about like a fucking like a like a like
<v Speaker 2>a craft store or something. Is that somebody's talking about
<v Speaker 2>hobby lobby A hobby lobby? Yeah, Like what the is
<v Speaker 2>he talking about? Or something like that? You know how
<v Speaker 2>many money by playing by playing music? And by the
<v Speaker 2>time I was in eleventh or twelfth grade. You know
<v Speaker 2>we're talking, you know, nineteen seventy or so. Remember I
<v Speaker 2>was making like four hundred dollars a week, and that
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of bread back then. Nowadays it would
<v Speaker 2>be like a couple of grand For a while, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I became the only person Robinson High School who had
<v Speaker 2>gotten a brand new car on his own. What about
<v Speaker 2>his other fucking bandmates? Did they not earn money? Did
<v Speaker 2>he have a fucking section eleven h sub paragraphy back
<v Speaker 2>then too? For his band? I mean, did he get
<v Speaker 2>did he get like, you know, favorite nations, certain a
<v Speaker 2>certain favorite nation, certain cut above everybody else? Did he when?
<v Speaker 2>When when they sold T shirts? Did it ring up
<v Speaker 2>Hulkogan or Terry Terry Bowlia? Is that what happened? Can
<v Speaker 2>I can I put your little notepad to work? Can
<v Speaker 2>you please get into process and infinities and T shirt? Oh? Fuck? Yes,
<v Speaker 2>oh my god? Yes, absolutely, That's why I think that
<v Speaker 2>people know they want it. Yeah, yeah, I've got a
<v Speaker 2>new car, is owned. And before my senior year was over,
<v Speaker 2>you had a second new car and add to the
<v Speaker 2>first one, both of our sixty nine road Runners one
<v Speaker 2>and automatic with a three eighty three engine and the
<v Speaker 2>other a four speed. Dude tremendous. So he's he's all
<v Speaker 2>about counting his money from yes, the day he was
<v Speaker 2>ever given a red scent, this guy, and like he
<v Speaker 2>talks about it later in life when doing interviews about
<v Speaker 2>like who is the best wrestler, It's like, brother, it's
<v Speaker 2>the bank account. You know. This guy, he's a math guy.
<v Speaker 2>He always talks about them, a numbers guy. What that
<v Speaker 2>means is the only thing that's real to him is
<v Speaker 2>what how many zeros are on the check and what
<v Speaker 2>it courts to add another zero. That's the only guiding
<v Speaker 2>principle of Derry Boley's life as far as I can tell.
<v Speaker 2>Bless the guy, but my god, like he remembers every
<v Speaker 2>little paycheck, every little does Yes, listen, all right, they
<v Speaker 2>got to they got to keep track. They got to
<v Speaker 2>keep track. Otherwise who knows what the fuck is going
<v Speaker 2>to go on? I remember Meltzer saying, not too long ago,
<v Speaker 2>like one of the only times Hulk ever called him
<v Speaker 2>was because he needed to nail down the by rate
<v Speaker 2>to figure out how much he got fucked on the
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling Landia nineteen payoff. Wow, he doesn't care about reaching
<v Speaker 2>out to the enemy then, right, yeah, exactly. And that's it, man,
<v Speaker 2>that that's his reality. Is like the life is a
<v Speaker 2>game of who's got more money in the bank, And
<v Speaker 2>as long as I have more money in the bank
<v Speaker 2>than you, I'm winning. You know, That's that's Hull Cogan's America.
<v Speaker 2>And and you know, not only that, they were pressuring
<v Speaker 2>him to play football and of course well challenging him
<v Speaker 2>to shoot as well. Brother, We're not going to pretend
<v Speaker 2>that people started only challenging Hulk to shoot after he
<v Speaker 2>became a pro wrestler. No, of course, before he even
<v Speaker 2>considered being a wrestler in his own right, he was
<v Speaker 2>running in the situations in Tampa where people wanted to
<v Speaker 2>shoot on him. Here now is an excerpt boss from
<v Speaker 2>his second book about that whole alternate narrative going on
<v Speaker 2>in his high school years. Besides the music, let it
<v Speaker 2>go fucking pay there it is. Pe was even worse
<v Speaker 2>once I got to high school. Yes, right, p But
<v Speaker 2>first of all, because my size, everybody wanted me to
<v Speaker 2>play football. No, I actually played a little, but you
<v Speaker 2>know when I put me out there on the varsity
<v Speaker 2>team in tenth grade, I hated it so much. After
<v Speaker 2>two games I quit. All the football players hated me
<v Speaker 2>for that, so did the coach. You know, this big, mean,
<v Speaker 2>three hundred pound guy named named coach Man. You know,
<v Speaker 2>he never forgot it, and he never let me forget it.
<v Speaker 2>I swear he added in me for the rest of
<v Speaker 2>my high school years. Me with my hippie long hair.
<v Speaker 2>Coach and the football players weren't the only ones who
<v Speaker 2>hated me. The wrestlers say to me too. You'll believe
<v Speaker 2>it or not, I want nothing to do with high
<v Speaker 2>school wrestling. Coach Man never let me live that down.
<v Speaker 2>Either may it was just my bad luck or maybe
<v Speaker 2>it was coach Man's doing. But when I got to
<v Speaker 2>my senior year, I got stuck in seventh grade, seventh
<v Speaker 2>period pe class. You have the class with all the
<v Speaker 2>jocks in it because at the end of the day,
<v Speaker 2>so it's basically like an early start to football practice
<v Speaker 2>and basketball practice and wrestling practice. You know, all the
<v Speaker 2>jocks are just keep practicing after the bell ring, you know,
<v Speaker 2>one day, and anything that happens after the bell rings
<v Speaker 2>is yeah, dude, deep trouble. That is trouble after the
<v Speaker 2>bell rings sotho that they put you know in there.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, question mark. They we're having a conversation. I
<v Speaker 2>think like, oh yeah, I think I love about the book, Terry.
<v Speaker 2>Is it really sounds like you talking? I can hear
<v Speaker 2>your voice when I read it. Yeah, I feel like
<v Speaker 2>we're having a conversation. You like you're actually you're listening
<v Speaker 2>to me as I talked to you, even though you're
<v Speaker 2>not listening at all, because it's a fucking written page.
<v Speaker 2>You know. One day coach Man brought this kid, kid
<v Speaker 2>and who had graduated the year before Steve Broadman. Steve
<v Speaker 2>was the wrestling champion of all champions, he was a
<v Speaker 2>hero of the all those guys in a heavyweight Just
<v Speaker 2>teach me a lesson, coach Man said to me, and boy,
<v Speaker 2>get your ass over here and put me into put
<v Speaker 2>me on the matt. To Russell, Steve, you know, this
<v Speaker 2>wasn't out in the gym. This was in the locker room.
<v Speaker 2>I thought that he said it was in the mat.
<v Speaker 2>He said it was on the mat. They have a
<v Speaker 2>matt in the locker room. Maybe maybe they do, Maybe
<v Speaker 2>they do. Maybe maybe they practiced in the locker mind
<v Speaker 2>probably not, though you know you was scared, Yah should
<v Speaker 2>ask uh? You know, who would have known? I uh
<v Speaker 2>uh pett. But you know I was scared, Oh for sure,
<v Speaker 2>man had brought him in there to kill me or
<v Speaker 2>at least hurt me. Real pass so scared, so nervous. Rollers,
<v Speaker 2>What get in here, boy, get your damn ash in here,
<v Speaker 2>bull here you stick? You're fit is a bowling pin
<v Speaker 2>Bowlea's wrong with you? You're that's right, you're fucking You're
<v Speaker 2>probably dumb ash too, sitting there with your fucking ass
<v Speaker 2>blonde hair and playing your goddamn music. Fuck you, you're
<v Speaker 2>a piece of ship. You're a Hillsbury County bitch. Isn't
<v Speaker 2>that nice? You know? That's the thing. Terry was surrounded
<v Speaker 2>by nice teachers and coaches. That's one thing you got
<v Speaker 2>to say. Of course, listen any any authority figure obviously
<v Speaker 2>trying to fucking pull one over on. I wanted to run.
<v Speaker 2>When he can't run. They want him to suffer, they
<v Speaker 2>want him to shoot, They want him to job when
<v Speaker 2>he when he won't job. The whole fucking thing. I
<v Speaker 2>get it, I get it well, Terry. Terry was so
<v Speaker 2>against jobbing then that he didn't even work. He was
<v Speaker 2>in the band. He wouldn't he wouldn't do a job
<v Speaker 2>at the hobby shop. Right, Jerry never did a job.
<v Speaker 2>It's a fucking story of his life avoiding happen to
<v Speaker 2>do an actual job. That's it. He does less jobs
<v Speaker 2>than melms Era or mill blush or mill concealer. It's
<v Speaker 2>the complete hull, Coke and Bitch, brought to you by
<v Speaker 2>garage Beer. Oh god, I mean no, no, no, no longer.
<v Speaker 2>I'll have a short. So I did ever I could
<v Speaker 2>to end this thing fast. And won't you know what?
<v Speaker 2>I pined him brother and the one two three brother
<v Speaker 2>an amateur wrestling match. Dude to this big, lumbering, awkward
<v Speaker 2>teenager who like has hardly an athletic bone in his
<v Speaker 2>body when it comes to like not just swinging a
<v Speaker 2>baseball bat, and he's like, oh and he's like pinning
<v Speaker 2>this adult Like I just yeah, I imagine too that
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't even like pin him for really like trips
<v Speaker 2>and like, because he's so fucking big, he just falls
<v Speaker 2>on the guy. You know, there's no yeah, there's no
<v Speaker 2>legit pin here? Is he fucking stumbles? Did he try
<v Speaker 2>to lift the coach and the coach fell on top
<v Speaker 2>of him too? Right? Yeah, I'm I'm pinning coach Man's
<v Speaker 2>number one guy right there, easy one two three brother
<v Speaker 2>drop one two three, dude exactly was zero training I
<v Speaker 2>just did out of pure fear. Paul Cogan operating out
<v Speaker 2>of pure fear. I don't believe it sounds man boy
<v Speaker 2>was man pissed. Coach threw his hat down. He was
<v Speaker 2>mostly bald headed with these weird patched pair He had
<v Speaker 2>something here, it is. This is how I know. This
<v Speaker 2>is how I know. He's talking about the guy who's
<v Speaker 2>portrayed in stories about growing up again. Who is he?
<v Speaker 2>What was his name again? The guy who plays that role?
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. He's kind of that guy. I know,
<v Speaker 2>I know, and I remember seeing it, but I can't
<v Speaker 2>remember it was. You know, he has some disease. I
<v Speaker 2>think it's called alopecia. Yes it is. I mean what
<v Speaker 2>I love is he he he thinks you know, he
<v Speaker 2>could have looked it up. He could have looked it
<v Speaker 2>up before he fucking wrote this. Yeah, the author could
<v Speaker 2>have too, by the way, you know, exactly like someone
<v Speaker 2>could have just looked up and said, yeah, it's alopecia.
<v Speaker 2>But he threw his hat down and threw his clipboard.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, did he have no eyebrows too? Like that's
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. Like he hasn't like no hair, that's
<v Speaker 2>the whole that's alopecia. Are we sure the coach man
<v Speaker 2>wasn't Bobby Lashley? We're not. It could be because I
<v Speaker 2>have never seen eyebrows on that man that didn't look
<v Speaker 2>painted on. And he's been glistening bald since the moment.
<v Speaker 2>That's true. Oh, he was just steaming all right, Try me,
<v Speaker 2>coach man, Actually go down all fours in position, get
<v Speaker 2>on top me, come out on this guy's like like
<v Speaker 2>he is out, Get down, get up? What are the riskies?
<v Speaker 2>Finally letting the bombs go, like, get down, all right,
<v Speaker 2>Lieutenant Dan, shut the fuck up. So I got on
<v Speaker 2>him and I hooked him right away, just pulled, just
<v Speaker 2>pulled his arm out from order him. Took his weight
<v Speaker 2>right with me. I'll chicken him. What's the only thing
<v Speaker 2>that The other thing funnier than Hulk trying to shoot
<v Speaker 2>is Hulk describing shooting. Pulled his arm so his weight
<v Speaker 2>like he's a distribution of weight, like he's this guy
<v Speaker 2>never wrestled the day in his life, and he's got
<v Speaker 2>all these all those expotise in the physiology, like he
<v Speaker 2>fucking knows anything like you know, he's conversant in Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>exactly the metaphysics of it all. I'll put him right
<v Speaker 2>right here right I pinned him too, rapped through him
<v Speaker 2>for the whole PE class.
<v Speaker 5>God, down the ball, you hook my damn times.
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for you to get to the description
<v Speaker 2>of like the that's the outcome of all this. Everyone
<v Speaker 2>started laughing and hollering except coach Man. Dude. I went
<v Speaker 2>run for my life. I run round of the building,
<v Speaker 2>and big coach Man changed me all the way down
<v Speaker 2>the street in front of Robinson High School. Goddamn, I
<v Speaker 2>got to.
<v Speaker 6>Kill such your goddamn off you son a bitch.
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you.
<v Speaker 6>You better ever come back.
<v Speaker 2>This goddamn school will kill you. There's your dark side recreation.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, coach Man chasing Terry Blaya in a
<v Speaker 2>fucking flower Power shirt down the street front of high school.
<v Speaker 2>I was sure water kill me. And my parents went
<v Speaker 2>and talked to percipal the next day and they let
<v Speaker 2>me out of PE class for the rest of the year.
<v Speaker 2>He didn't save brother, you added brother, which is great
<v Speaker 2>because I couldn't necessarily have to look so I wasn't
<v Speaker 2>in with the football players. Or the wrestlers are anny,
<v Speaker 2>the jocks at all on All wrote the kind of
<v Speaker 2>heat with everybody? Say what do you say against a
<v Speaker 2>last sentence? Again, I had I had all kinds of
<v Speaker 2>heat with everybody. That's how you described high school before
<v Speaker 2>he even learned the wrestling carnate term heat. He had
<v Speaker 2>heat with everybody, has fucking heat. He has heat everybody
<v Speaker 2>in high school. Remember when I was saying, the birth
<v Speaker 2>of Terry boleya begins to blend seamlessly into the birth
<v Speaker 2>of Hulkgan. This is what I'm talking about, yea, Right,
<v Speaker 2>Terry Blay is shooting in the high school locker room
<v Speaker 2>and hooking and pinning and running, and he's got heat.
<v Speaker 2>He's got heat before he even start foot in a
<v Speaker 2>wrestling ring. Got heat with everybody. So this is this
<v Speaker 2>is a nice opportunity to kind of just quickly sketch
<v Speaker 2>in and color and you know, Hult growing up, Hulk
<v Speaker 2>coming of age, a growing boy in that very modest
<v Speaker 2>Port Tampa house south of Grandy? Is that what it
<v Speaker 2>is not? South of Grandy? Yeah? Yeah, And and so
<v Speaker 2>we start here. This is a clip from an A
<v Speaker 2>and E biography special that was notn on Hulk. I
<v Speaker 2>believe in two thousand he was still in WCW Yes.
<v Speaker 2>So this one yes WW centric. There's no WDA footage
<v Speaker 2>in it and things like that, but they tell a
<v Speaker 2>lot about his boyhood and they interview Pete and Ruth Blea,
<v Speaker 2>his parents. So we start with the story of Hulk
<v Speaker 2>shooting with the high school coach has just recollected there
<v Speaker 2>in his book, and then transitioned into what he ate
<v Speaker 2>and how great he was musically inclined, So it's kind
<v Speaker 2>of all here.
<v Speaker 7>But he went too far when he tested his skills
<v Speaker 7>on the high school gym coach during class.
<v Speaker 3>He made me get down in the referee position on
<v Speaker 3>all fours and he went ahead and hooked me. And
<v Speaker 3>when he said go, I sat out real quick, chicken
<v Speaker 3>in his arm and I tended him. He came up
<v Speaker 3>out of his mind crazy, and I mean I just
<v Speaker 3>remember running from my life around the lockers in the shower,
<v Speaker 3>running from her to stay away from it.
<v Speaker 7>But Terry had interest beyond sports. He was a straight
<v Speaker 7>A student and one of his greatest loves was music.
<v Speaker 7>He taught himself guitar and bass guitar and formed a
<v Speaker 7>popular rock band that played local dances.
<v Speaker 8>Almost every night.
<v Speaker 9>He came moment for breakfast, he'd have maybe ten eleven eggs,
<v Speaker 9>and he'd had a three quarter pounds of ground sarloins
<v Speaker 9>and a whole quart of orange juice. That was just breakfast.
<v Speaker 7>Terry was known at school as reserved, even shy, but
<v Speaker 7>once in front of an audience with his band, he
<v Speaker 7>came alive.
<v Speaker 9>When he played in the band, he was amongst four
<v Speaker 9>or five guys playing, but some you know, the people
<v Speaker 9>your voice got excited about. He was a big, so
<v Speaker 9>big and playing that guitar and longbond hair, and then
<v Speaker 9>he's like he always just created a lot of excitement.
<v Speaker 7>Showmanship was in his jeans. His mother, Ruth, had been
<v Speaker 7>a musician and a professional dancer.
<v Speaker 4>He got his talent from his brother because she plays
<v Speaker 4>the oregon and plays the piano and dancing. I felt
<v Speaker 4>that that's where he got his talent.
<v Speaker 6>For me.
<v Speaker 2>Oh thank you Peter, Oh thank you Peter. The way
<v Speaker 2>she added that I used to teach dancing. When he's
<v Speaker 2>still talking, that's such a that's so interesting to me,
<v Speaker 2>you know. Oh yes, Ruth was definitely the one that
<v Speaker 2>would like like talk over Pete when he was in
<v Speaker 2>company over, you know, because because you know what, he
<v Speaker 2>just took too long. He took too long to get
<v Speaker 2>to and he forgot this. You've got the details that
<v Speaker 2>put her in the most positive life exactly. I want
<v Speaker 2>you to know that Terry, Terry bought us Lincoln's Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I know this looks like a humble house, but we
<v Speaker 2>have a condo you don't know anything about, and it's
<v Speaker 2>Clarence clear It's in Clarence clear Water, Revival, Florida. Well,
<v Speaker 2>thank you, Pete.
<v Speaker 4>Man.
<v Speaker 2>She's she's a piece of word. Humble. Yeah, yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>think I think Ruth is definitely. I think there's a
<v Speaker 2>lot there. I think there's a lot there, especially when
<v Speaker 2>later on is we'll get to who knows when? Uh,
<v Speaker 2>when Hulk claims that Vince Senior wanted him to die
<v Speaker 2>his heir ran and go as this Irish wrestler, he said,
<v Speaker 2>despite not having a drop of Irish blood in me,
<v Speaker 2>when his fucking mother is is moody and couldn't Oh
<v Speaker 2>my god, tremendous, so so many there's only so many
<v Speaker 2>ways we can get at what it was like to
<v Speaker 2>experience Terry Bolea in his band days. But fortunately for
<v Speaker 2>us and this is one of what will be many,
<v Speaker 2>many big shout outs to the homie Matt, who has
<v Speaker 2>been an indispensable partner in researching the history of Terry Boleya.
<v Speaker 2>There's a Facebook group out there where people in and
<v Speaker 2>around the Tampa area recall seeing hul Cogan Wow no
<v Speaker 2>Shit in the bands of his youth. And it started
<v Speaker 2>with a post by the aforementioned Gary Berry, who said,
<v Speaker 2>who was talking about, you know, remembering the band you
<v Speaker 2>just saw? Pardon me the picture of the band that
<v Speaker 2>you just saw in that article, that publicity photo. He says,
<v Speaker 2>the picture was actually taken on the corner of Barcelona
<v Speaker 2>and Bayshore, behind what was at the time an old
<v Speaker 2>gas station. Okay wow. And underneath this post, everyone's bringing
<v Speaker 2>forward recollection of remembering seeing Terry Boleya play in various
<v Speaker 2>bands when they were when they were kids back then.
<v Speaker 2>One person remembers that they played at the nineteen seventy
<v Speaker 2>six bi centennial dance for Plant High School. Somebody else
<v Speaker 2>recalling in this thread he saw them at the Islands
<v Speaker 2>Club nineteen seventy four to seventy five, big collar Island shirts,
<v Speaker 2>Western style or Western style. Apparently they went with this
<v Speaker 2>hippie look as well as country western, and as we'll
<v Speaker 2>get into some of the venues that he was known
<v Speaker 2>to play, and his bands did have kind of a
<v Speaker 2>country western heritage, so it wouldn't surprise me if they sort
<v Speaker 2>of cosplayed that way too at times to fit in
<v Speaker 2>at the venue of choice. This This person writes, it's
<v Speaker 2>long enough ago. I don't remember the name of the band,
<v Speaker 2>and I think he was playing guitar, not bass. I
<v Speaker 2>see the band name is Infinity's End. Can't quite remember
<v Speaker 2>where the Islands Club was, but and Hult calls out
<v Speaker 2>playing at the Islands Club in his earliest days in
<v Speaker 2>this book. But I think we crossed over a bridge
<v Speaker 2>from downtown Tampa. But when I look it up on
<v Speaker 2>Google Earth, everything's changed so much. Nothing looks familiar. That's right,
<v Speaker 2>and looks familiar I can associate with that. Someone else writes, yes,
<v Speaker 2>they played at my high school dance. I went to
<v Speaker 2>Tampa Catholic. Gary writes, my dad owned Downing Music Company
<v Speaker 2>on wes Kennedy back in the sixties. Many the local
<v Speaker 2>bands hung out there, so the guy that you know
<v Speaker 2>sort of architected the band and his father were involved
<v Speaker 2>in the music business. In terms of like selling music
<v Speaker 2>and things like that, and music equipment, it appears, so
<v Speaker 2>they go back and forth. Someone writes, I lived behind
<v Speaker 2>him and could hear him practice? Can you imagine that?
<v Speaker 2>You remember Hulko going to use here the sound of
<v Speaker 2>his bass crashing through the walls, you know that. Has
<v Speaker 2>you ever lived next to someone that's playing an instrument
<v Speaker 2>like that? Yeah, yeah, yes, it's just speak to become
<v Speaker 2>part of the ambiance, you know, and for that guy
<v Speaker 2>to have gone to become a Hulk Hogan as something
<v Speaker 2>else he put in the work. This person rights, always
<v Speaker 2>practicing and so many other memories. That's the wrestling business,
<v Speaker 2>right there, Always practicing absolutely first lead guitar, leader, bass guitar,
<v Speaker 2>someone remembers. Someone else writes, I was in the band.
<v Speaker 2>He switched to bass one practice because he couldn't play
<v Speaker 2>fast enough for Roundabout By Yes, that song, he said,
<v Speaker 2>David White, the bass player could so apparently, if this
<v Speaker 2>guy's right, the reason Hulk went to bass, which was
<v Speaker 2>his of course signature guitar, was because they came upon
<v Speaker 2>a song that he couldn't keep up with on lead guitar.
<v Speaker 2>Someone else writes, they played gigs at Shenanigans, North Nebraska Avenue.
<v Speaker 2>Someone says, I used to watch him and his band
<v Speaker 2>at Shenanigan, so apparently he was well known there. And
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine. I can't imagine Haul Cochan being involved
<v Speaker 2>in a place called Shenanigan, all right, come on, I can't.
<v Speaker 2>Someone even says that. Someone writes, that's a perfect place
<v Speaker 2>for Hogan to play Shenanigans. Someone else writes, when he
<v Speaker 2>was with the band Ruckus, they played at a club
<v Speaker 2>in LUTs called Shenanigans Best Time, Best Times, Best of Times.
<v Speaker 2>In the seventies, I had a friend that went on
<v Speaker 2>a date with him. They went to the beach on
<v Speaker 2>the causeway and she instead of them walking on the beach,
<v Speaker 2>he carried her. Oh don't you enjoy that while it lasts,
<v Speaker 2>because he won't carry many Back in the seventies, I
<v Speaker 2>worked for an insurance company. This person writes agency rather
<v Speaker 2>out of the West Shore mall called Brunners Insurance. He
<v Speaker 2>would come in and get his insurance through us. He
<v Speaker 2>was actually very shy. Who can believe that? And this
<v Speaker 2>is a category of dynamic I really want to capture
<v Speaker 2>on the complete Hull cogn This guy, this huge guy
<v Speaker 2>walking into a grocery store or a bank. Yes, yes,
<v Speaker 2>and just not even be not even really wanting to
<v Speaker 2>draw attention to himself, but having no choice because of
<v Speaker 2>his proportions, you know, and his and his hair and
<v Speaker 2>everything and whatever. People recollect and we're going to try
<v Speaker 2>to collect as many of these and convey them to
<v Speaker 2>you over the course of the complete Hull Cogun as
<v Speaker 2>we possibly can. You know it confronted Terry Boleya in
<v Speaker 2>the wild, you know, doing errands. I'm so fascinated.
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<v Speaker 2>You know he's got those those those sort of like
<v Speaker 2>brown tinted sunglasses, you know the ones I'm talking about. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>I do. And it's everyone's looking at him, and he
<v Speaker 2>knows everyone's looking at him, but he's not going to
<v Speaker 2>say something until someone says something. That's the terrible let
<v Speaker 2>I want to know about yep, me too, someone else writes,
<v Speaker 2>I saw him a couple of times at Shenanigan's. He
<v Speaker 2>was the bass player. He was dating a fellow Tampa
<v Speaker 2>Catholic alumn named Donna Herrick. Oh where's Donna? Ooh? Yes.
<v Speaker 2>Someone else writes, I had the biggest crush on Donna
<v Speaker 2>Herrick and I was queer. She was very groovy with
<v Speaker 2>her yellow tinted aviators. Wow. Man, that puts you right there,
<v Speaker 2>doesn't it. Yellow tinted aviators. That's the era we're talking
<v Speaker 2>about here. Someone else writes, he lived across the street
<v Speaker 2>from my aunt and uncle growing up, and according to them,
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't a very good son. Wow, the stories they
<v Speaker 2>have told me about him and the way he treated
<v Speaker 2>his parents personally. I've only met him once. I've never
<v Speaker 2>really been a fan of his or his daughter. Wow. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>And in case you were questioning if this was actually Facebook,
<v Speaker 2>that should confirm it for you. That's the most Facebook
<v Speaker 2>comment I've ever read in my life. Everyone's saying they
<v Speaker 2>see everyone's saying positive things about this person. But I'm
<v Speaker 2>here to tell you, yes, God, yeah, exactly, that's such
<v Speaker 2>good stuff. Maybe she was thinking about Alan. There's a
<v Speaker 2>chance of that it's true. Someone else writs, they played
<v Speaker 2>at our Hillsborough High Senior class prom in seventy two.
<v Speaker 2>Great band, So yeah, proms, graduations. These kinds of things
<v Speaker 2>is where they would get their their gigs. Someone else writes,
<v Speaker 2>I saw Terry play in Ruckus and they really kicked it.
<v Speaker 2>I thought they would go places, but at the time
<v Speaker 2>there were too many great bands and not enough room
<v Speaker 2>at the top for all of them. Terry really cranked
<v Speaker 2>on the base. I was like wrestling right there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Terry cranked on the base and he cranked a rouskied
<v Speaker 2>in the fucking locker room at Robinson High School. Someone
<v Speaker 2>else rights saw him play at the Islands Club many times.
<v Speaker 2>He was kind of quiet then, Yeah, that's definitely definitely
<v Speaker 2>important to remember that he was actually, you know, quiet, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>And at the end of the day. One day during
<v Speaker 2>junior year, he writes, this friend of mine I'd known
<v Speaker 2>since elementary school, Scott Thornton, asked me if I could
<v Speaker 2>give him a ride to the gym. His card broken
<v Speaker 2>down and I had nothing better to do, so I said, sure,
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean? Car broke down there? Car broke down?
<v Speaker 9>Brother?
<v Speaker 2>How that what you never heard of that? Terry? Then
<v Speaker 2>sometimes cars do that. I could use your help instead
<v Speaker 2>of this interrogation. By the way, Well, well, brother, okay, brother,
<v Speaker 2>So Why are you asking my help? Dude? How when
<v Speaker 2>have I? Brother? Have I kind of right? Have all
<v Speaker 2>showed you that I'm like capable of you know, car maintenance? Brother?
<v Speaker 2>How do you know about that? Did it did it
<v Speaker 2>breakdown or did it come breaking down? Are you breaking down? Brother?
<v Speaker 2>Are you? Are you breaking down? It's gonna hurt me inside? Brother?
<v Speaker 2>How are you telling me? Are you falling down? Dude?
<v Speaker 2>Because they won't give you a breakfast at McDonald's. Right,
<v Speaker 2>I want you to picture the book and the Terry
<v Speaker 2>Boleta days, not the whole the fucking yeah with the
<v Speaker 2>bowl cutt and hit yeah and just he's not even
<v Speaker 2>a superstar yet, but he's still kind of concerned that
<v Speaker 2>one's trying to pull a fast one on him, and
<v Speaker 2>it's a problem. I bring a Pector's Jim because there
<v Speaker 2>was a comment and the aforementioned Facebook thread. He was thin.
<v Speaker 2>Then he started training at Hector's Jim Mike Graham trained
<v Speaker 2>there too, So sure enough, here's Scott Thornton who asks
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Terry to give him a ride to the gym
<v Speaker 2>because his car had broken down. Hulk agrees and they
<v Speaker 2>drive to Hector's gym on Platt Street, in Tampa, and
<v Speaker 2>according to Hulk's recollection, as he got out of the car,
<v Speaker 2>Scott said to Hulk, why don't you come in? Hmm,
<v Speaker 2>And that's where it started. That's where Hulk first laid
<v Speaker 2>eyes on a laid eyes. I mean, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>about that, but the first time he considered himself a
<v Speaker 2>candidate for the bodybuilding lifestyle. And Boss just conveyed to
<v Speaker 2>you their passage from his second book where he kind
<v Speaker 2>of describes the psychology of entering that gym for the
<v Speaker 2>first time. I wasn't himself going every day. It took
<v Speaker 2>about a year, I guess, before I noticed that I'd
<v Speaker 2>put on some muscle on where the fat used to be.
<v Speaker 2>It may not seem like much, but that little physical
<v Speaker 2>change filled a void in me feel better about myself?
<v Speaker 2>Can you? Can you read that sentence one more time? Yes,
<v Speaker 2>it may all seem like much, but a little physical
<v Speaker 2>change filled a void in me. The void. Let's talk
<v Speaker 2>about the void of the void. The void is The
<v Speaker 2>void is everything. Yep, you need to fill the void.
<v Speaker 2>Void is everything. I think that's going to be the
<v Speaker 2>key finding at the end of this whole thing. Yes, yes,
<v Speaker 2>the voids, It's true. It's true, you know, if you
<v Speaker 2>if you don't, if you don't find something to fill
<v Speaker 2>the void, well, and if you don't correctly identify the void. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>well that's most importantly, most importantly. Also, yeah, what number one,
<v Speaker 2>you identify that you have a void? Yep? Number two?
<v Speaker 2>What is it? And what is it? For real? What
<v Speaker 2>is it for real? What? What? What fear does it
<v Speaker 2>betray in you that you consider it avoid? What do
<v Speaker 2>you actually what do you feel you're actually missing? What
<v Speaker 2>do you think it'll give you to fill the voice?
<v Speaker 2>Because that's the difference, Honest to god. There are people
<v Speaker 2>who know they have avoid, but they don't know really
<v Speaker 2>why right and what it is and therefore right and
<v Speaker 2>therefore they're not sure. They throw a ton of darts
<v Speaker 2>against the wall to try to fill it, and nothing
<v Speaker 2>does the trick because they're not diagnosing off right. And
<v Speaker 2>a lot of a lot of times that deals with
<v Speaker 2>you know what you know, all that you know? It
<v Speaker 2>can lead to a million different things, you know, addiction,
<v Speaker 2>all sorts of shit. It can lead. It can lead
<v Speaker 2>you to be worried that people try to screw you
<v Speaker 2>every day of your life for the rest of your life. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>can lead you to, you know, be a pro wrestler
<v Speaker 2>to feel like you're constantly being cheated out of money
<v Speaker 2>or potentially being cheated out of money. Avoid my wallet, brother,
<v Speaker 2>That's what the void is, dude, fill that void. The
<v Speaker 2>only void he knows about is writing void on the
<v Speaker 2>check suite. Got a goot that director's pozzle set. Brother.
<v Speaker 2>I know about void, brother, but where is his brother? No,
<v Speaker 2>that's attacked him null and look. I can see it
<v Speaker 2>in ninety two smoothly. It's definitely a fucking it's a
<v Speaker 2>hard team. For sure. They would have called if money
<v Speaker 2>Ink fell on hard times, they would have called it
<v Speaker 2>null and volle. Oh my god, that would have been
<v Speaker 2>a great if. If they had decided that, that would
<v Speaker 2>have been fucking hilarious. Destitute. The million dollar man has
<v Speaker 2>nothing in his account and he's he's he's debt, he's
<v Speaker 2>debt ridden, and he's siphoning money from a nonprofit. Oh
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, let me stop right there. I'll started
<v Speaker 2>to feel better about myself. I'll take my shirt off
<v Speaker 2>of the beach. I sold that big head. I was
<v Speaker 2>starting to go balled at eighteen or nineteen, but going
<v Speaker 2>by gym was like a buffer you'll help me, help
<v Speaker 2>me get me confidence to forget all that. And I
<v Speaker 2>actually talked to an attractive girl now and then you'll
<v Speaker 2>look him back. And now that confidence, that buffer, a
<v Speaker 2>little extra icing layer on on safety did a lot
<v Speaker 2>more than helped me talk to girls. He gave me
<v Speaker 2>the extra push, brother, m I'm gonna push. I wonder
<v Speaker 2>he loved the gym right, gave him an extra push push, brother,
<v Speaker 2>that would helped me accomplish everything I wanted in life.
<v Speaker 2>Love that. And there is the root of the triumph
<v Speaker 2>and the tragedy of Hulk Hogan is that he associates
<v Speaker 2>to the gym with getting him everything he wants, and
<v Speaker 2>when the gym gets him the opposite of what he wants,
<v Speaker 2>like all fucked up and uh, you know, on the
<v Speaker 2>witness stand for a still trial and having in the
<v Speaker 2>prosecutors having the leverage to force him to testify against Vince,
<v Speaker 2>because as Hulk himself ended up saying in the Vince documentary,
<v Speaker 2>they had enough on him to bring charges against him
<v Speaker 2>for dealing in steroids that there's the flip side of
<v Speaker 2>that coin, you know. So, but this is I think
<v Speaker 2>such an important moment because you know, I think Hulk.
<v Speaker 2>Basically he spent his whole life trying to make the
<v Speaker 2>rest of his body as big as his fucking head.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's pretty much what this is about. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty much what this is about. And this is
<v Speaker 2>where it started, that chance moment where his friend had
<v Speaker 2>a broken down car on his way to the gym,
<v Speaker 2>And it all started at Hector's gym. And we turned
<v Speaker 2>out to Ed Leslie's book, his contemporary in Tampa, who
<v Speaker 2>remembers this timeframe in a similar way. One day, at
<v Speaker 2>Leslie writes, I ran into Mike Graham at Hector's Jim.
<v Speaker 2>Mike was the son of wrestling promoter Eddie Graham. Of
<v Speaker 2>course he went to high school with me back in
<v Speaker 2>the day. He remembered me, even though he was a
<v Speaker 2>few years older. I was still a big wrestling fan
<v Speaker 2>and wanted to talk with him, so I brought up
<v Speaker 2>the only link I could think maybe keep him talking.
<v Speaker 2>Did you know a guy named Terry BOULEYA? I asked,
<v Speaker 2>trying to make small talk. Wasn't he in your class?
<v Speaker 2>He goes to this gym too, Did you know him?
<v Speaker 2>People here think you should be a wrestler. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>didn't really hang out with him, though, Mike said he
<v Speaker 2>was in my seventh period gym class along with all
<v Speaker 2>the high school football players. Terry was good, but he
<v Speaker 2>did his own thing. I guess what was that. Like,
<v Speaker 2>he just beat everyone's ass because the teachers didn't give
<v Speaker 2>a shit. They didn't bother to teach a regular class.
<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, it was anything goes.
<v Speaker 2>Terry didn't know his own strength and like clotheslined and
<v Speaker 2>steamrolled right through everyone. Mike Graham's memories of Terry Buley
<v Speaker 2>in high school. Mister scaredy cat who didn't want any
<v Speaker 2>confrontation or any trouble is breaking bully's noses the hook
<v Speaker 2>and teaching teachers Jim coaches in the fucking locker room,
<v Speaker 2>and clotheslining and body slining people. I'm surprised he didn't
<v Speaker 2>play football, then, Ed said to Mike, apparely all the
<v Speaker 2>jocks hated him. Mike says, yes, they felt he was
<v Speaker 2>a traitor to his school and a waste. He could
<v Speaker 2>have played some great football, but he was too lazy.
<v Speaker 2>He only wanted to play music after school, not sports.
<v Speaker 2>He was right, that says, Terry's focus was rock and roll.
<v Speaker 2>He kept up with his love of music too after
<v Speaker 2>he got out of school. When he returned from college,
<v Speaker 2>he formed his own band, Ruckus. They were now playing
<v Speaker 2>a few times a week at some clubs around Tampa.
<v Speaker 2>They played a lot of hard rock covers like Aerosmith
<v Speaker 2>and Tower of Power and Ol Cogan has to do
<v Speaker 2>something with the Power of Power. Yes, yes, a Tower
<v Speaker 2>of Power, brother brother too sweet to be sour ha
<v Speaker 2>ha yes, and I see no problem. I see this
<v Speaker 2>being totally acceptable and what it means to be built
<v Speaker 2>up quite a following. I could tell right away by
<v Speaker 2>his tone that he was not too keen on Terry.
<v Speaker 2>That is to say, Mike Graham was not too keen
<v Speaker 2>on Terry. So I dropped the subject dead rights. That
<v Speaker 2>subject was not getting me over with him, and actually
<v Speaker 2>was getting me heat. After Mike Graham left, one of
<v Speaker 2>the guys at the gym named Scott had heard us talking. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>he's just jealous. What do you mean, he just wishes
<v Speaker 2>he was as big as Terry as all. Scott said,
<v Speaker 2>he's got a little big man syndrome. I laughed. Everyone
<v Speaker 2>said that about Mike Graham, So that's yes, that's a
<v Speaker 2>fair shot. Because Mike Graham's a bitch. Well, he just
<v Speaker 2>you know, he did the Napoleon thing like he would like,
<v Speaker 2>I'll stab you, motherfucker because he was short. You know
<v Speaker 2>how that goes. I knew that. I remember he was.
<v Speaker 2>He told the story in a shoot interview one time
<v Speaker 2>that when the Radical has left WCW and he was
<v Speaker 2>in the front office with Kevin Sullivan and stuff, he
<v Speaker 2>like basically threatened to like stab Chris Manoir if they
<v Speaker 2>went over there. Didn't do anything, of course, but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he was definitely one of those guys like you think
<v Speaker 2>I'm short, motherfuckers. I didn't say anything about that. Why
<v Speaker 2>did you bring it up first? You know? The rest
<v Speaker 2>in peace, by the way, is Mike went on to
<v Speaker 2>take his own life. I laughed. I knew the type
<v Speaker 2>all too well. At writes, I didn't know you were
<v Speaker 2>rid of the wrestling, Scott said, a lot of the
<v Speaker 2>wrestlers have been stopping by the Imperial Room after the
<v Speaker 2>show where Ruckus is playing too. Scott and I at
<v Speaker 2>Leslie Wright's decided to go over to the Imperial Room.
<v Speaker 2>We've gone over to the Imperial Room. To be clear,
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to creat toy unnecessary alarm. What was
<v Speaker 2>the Imperial Room. It's not only an important part of
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bulay's story, it is important part of Tampa music
<v Speaker 2>at the time. This is from the Tampa Tribune, June tenth,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy three. The article is entitled Life at the
<v Speaker 2>Country Clubs, and it's an article that really tells us
<v Speaker 2>a lot about where the Imperial Room fit at the
<v Speaker 2>time that hul Cochan was taking its stage. Country music
<v Speaker 2>in Tampa up is as strong as a Prospector's Long John's,
<v Speaker 2>just as it is over the rest of America these days.
<v Speaker 2>Not that Tampa is any newcomer to the national country
<v Speaker 2>music marketplace. Mel Tillis hails from these parts. As to
<v Speaker 2>singer Bobby Lord and Fort Homer Hesterly Armory was one
<v Speaker 2>of Elvis's early strongholds. I did not know that, okay.
<v Speaker 2>I could not only see Dusty Rhodes and Eddie Graham
<v Speaker 2>at the h the Fort hester LEI you could see
<v Speaker 2>Elvis Presley there as well at one point. Wow, so
<v Speaker 2>Presley's manager of the legendary Colonel Tom Parker, was once
<v Speaker 2>a dog catcher on the city payroll. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>that Tom Parker, of course, the Colonel Rob Parker inspiration
<v Speaker 2>right there, right, of course, of course a meager tampa
<v Speaker 2>for I mean in a way, but not completely right.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, the real colonel had Where was he from?
<v Speaker 2>He was from someplace in Memphis, right, No, the real
<v Speaker 2>he hold on he was from Yeah, from the Netherlands. Right, Oh,
<v Speaker 2>I see what you mean. Yeah, okay, yeah, he's really
<v Speaker 2>from someplace, not Thentalie. Colonel Rob Parker is fucking you know,
<v Speaker 2>not even close to being close. Yeah, a meager tampa
<v Speaker 2>beginning for a man who has guided what must rate
<v Speaker 2>is the most successful American performer's career to a point
<v Speaker 2>where he recently offered to flip a silver dollar with
<v Speaker 2>a Midwestern promoter who felt that the fifty thousand dollars
<v Speaker 2>price he demanded for Elvis was too high. This is, obviously,
<v Speaker 2>before Elvis is passing heads. Parker is said to have
<v Speaker 2>told the promoter, and you get Elvis for a free performance, tails, buddy,
<v Speaker 2>and you ONEI fifty grand. The promoter departed to produce
<v Speaker 2>high school proms. Local concert halls and our Florida State
<v Speaker 2>Fair stage have presented the top country singers on the
<v Speaker 2>Nashville scene for years. But country music is more than
<v Speaker 2>sitting in the fiftieth row of a concert hall, or
<v Speaker 2>a seat under the pigeons in the fairgrounds grandstand. Country
<v Speaker 2>music is people, and country music is at home and
<v Speaker 2>an eyeball to eyeball smoke filled bar, as Merle Haggard sings.
<v Speaker 2>The country music clubs of Middle America are the minor
<v Speaker 2>leagues of country music. There was a little of the
<v Speaker 2>I'll make You a Starboy commercial overnight success these days
<v Speaker 2>in country music there never has been. Singers work with
<v Speaker 2>the people and before the people, constantly, night after night,
<v Speaker 2>year after year, getting themselves their styles and songs both
<v Speaker 2>polished and hopefully ready for the big time. Those years
<v Speaker 2>of traveling on the road are important to the act, certainly,
<v Speaker 2>but this is the time the fans are met, the
<v Speaker 2>first loyalties formed. Boss. They're describing country music in the
<v Speaker 2>seventies or professional wrestling in the cu I means it
<v Speaker 2>could be either one. It's the same thing. It's crazy,
<v Speaker 2>and the hustle that most of the bands were on
<v Speaker 2>in this imperial room that Terry Bolea played is very
<v Speaker 2>very similar to the hustle that he would be on
<v Speaker 2>as a pro wrestler all those early years. Yeah, just
<v Speaker 2>as Sure as Johnny has cash, the country music fan
<v Speaker 2>has loyalty. This article reads, they'll go to a nightclub
<v Speaker 2>where a favorite is appearing time and time again. You
<v Speaker 2>tell me right, time after time, bring presents, bake brownies
<v Speaker 2>for the fellas in the band, just like the old
<v Speaker 2>ladies with bake brownies for the baby faces. Sure be
<v Speaker 2>there to buy that good old boy a beer when
<v Speaker 2>he gets off stage and sometimes when he's on. Country
<v Speaker 2>music and booze go together like strawberries and rhubarb. Country
<v Speaker 2>singers sing about it, audiences drink it while they listen
<v Speaker 2>to the music, and the promoters and the clubs pay
<v Speaker 2>for the singers with the revenue from the sales of liquor. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>in fact, I think Imperial Room was named after an
<v Speaker 2>imperial liquors business that was prominent in tamp I think
<v Speaker 2>that was related because I saw like a newspaper ad
<v Speaker 2>that promoted the Imperial Room, and it was it was
<v Speaker 2>part and parcel of this ad for Imperial liquors. So
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what that's about. And the singer's ability
<v Speaker 2>to entertain an audience of folks on the town makes
<v Speaker 2>the artists go through a training period that makes Paris
<v Speaker 2>Island boot Camp look like a wallflower's convention in Ruskin. Certainly,
<v Speaker 2>there are a few singers in the business who have
<v Speaker 2>risen to the stardom class without playing the clubs. Sonny
<v Speaker 2>James is a country star who will not play in
<v Speaker 2>places where liquor is sold. With this kind of training,
<v Speaker 2>there's no room for a singer who's afraid of people
<v Speaker 2>in this business. Coming up through the ranks, building a
<v Speaker 2>legion of fans, and learning to handle the pressures of
<v Speaker 2>always being in the limelight give the country singer who's
<v Speaker 2>made the successful ascension to the top of the heap
<v Speaker 2>a durability seldom seen in the pop field. Those who
<v Speaker 2>can't cope with the rigors of the business last about
<v Speaker 2>as long as an El Dorado and a one cent sale.
<v Speaker 2>As a result of this period of time spent on
<v Speaker 2>the road and dot records, Tommy Overstreet worked nearly twenty
<v Speaker 2>years before being voted the most Promising male vocalist of
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy by the country music industry. The stars are
<v Speaker 2>much more approachable than in any other entertainment field. It's
<v Speaker 2>like he's describing pro wrestling. It really Freddie Hart over Street,
<v Speaker 2>Sonny James and a score of named country stars are
<v Speaker 2>as approachable as insurance salesmen to their fans. They often
<v Speaker 2>visit those small country music clubs in the cities where
<v Speaker 2>they're playing large package shows after the concerts have closed down,
<v Speaker 2>Unlike the rock stars who disappear sometimes before the audience
<v Speaker 2>has even left its seat at the end of a show,
<v Speaker 2>and the local bastion for the up and coming and
<v Speaker 2>sometimes even the gone and went who haven't had a
<v Speaker 2>hit record in a few months country singers is what's
<v Speaker 2>the local bastion for these musicians. The Imperial Room Lounge,
<v Speaker 2>North Armenia, near Hillsboro Avenue. This is the Tampa club
<v Speaker 2>where many, indeed most of the greats and country music
<v Speaker 2>have played during those years when they were on the road.
<v Speaker 2>The dressing room walls are covered with autographed eight by
<v Speaker 2>ten theatrical glossies of past and present country stars. George
<v Speaker 2>Jones and Tammy Wynette look like a couple of teenagers.
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Pride and Merle Haggard almost have a brand new
<v Speaker 2>look about them. The Imperial Room is a rectangular box
<v Speaker 2>like structure that has assigned maker's delight. It's a one
<v Speaker 2>building times square outside, where seven different large Neon banners
<v Speaker 2>proclaim that this is indeed the Imperial Room Lounge where
<v Speaker 2>live Nashville country music rules supreme. This is the largest
<v Speaker 2>and plushiest country music club in the area, and, according
<v Speaker 2>to most of the Nashville travelers, one of the better
<v Speaker 2>clubs to work in the entire country. It's sports. Two
<v Speaker 2>well used dance floors. I want you to picture Hulkogan
<v Speaker 2>on the stage with it. Pictures two well used dance floors,
<v Speaker 2>one near the stage for the funsters and one near
<v Speaker 2>the back for the lovers. Three working bars on the weekends.
<v Speaker 2>He knows about working bars. I'll tell you that working bars.
<v Speaker 2>Rick Flair knows about working bars as well the tabs
<v Speaker 2>that he's left behind unpaid on the weekends. A small,
<v Speaker 2>equipment packed stage, and nearly four hundred chairs, all of
<v Speaker 2>which support a warm body. Especially on weekends, there is
<v Speaker 2>a constant musical parade of Nashville singers who breathe through
<v Speaker 2>the Imperial Room doors to entertained, usually those who have
<v Speaker 2>several hit records under their guitar straps. Every month or
<v Speaker 2>six weeks, owner Doc Castanella trots in a name like
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Overstreet or Buddy Allen to test the seams of
<v Speaker 2>the club. Castiliana is a wiry, middle aged promoter of
<v Speaker 2>country music. This is very similar, by the way, to
<v Speaker 2>the Sportatorium. I remember when we were doing the lamentable
<v Speaker 2>tragedy of World Class looking into the history of that building,
<v Speaker 2>and it did start with a guy who was half
<v Speaker 2>country music, kind of like music hall promoter and pro
<v Speaker 2>wrestling promoter. There was a strong and that was the same.
<v Speaker 2>I think the Crockets did a similar mix of music
<v Speaker 2>in wrestling and boxing. There spent a lot of other
<v Speaker 2>territories that have had that combination, so I think that
<v Speaker 2>this is I think this is a part of a
<v Speaker 2>category and not something that was unique at all to
<v Speaker 2>the Imperial Room having this this combination of wrestling being
<v Speaker 2>similar in promotional presentation to country music, especially down South.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, so he owns the smaller does Castiana? The
<v Speaker 2>guy who runs this Imperial Lounge smaller Tammy's Lounge, another
<v Speaker 2>country music club in Riverview. He's a permanent weekend fixed
<v Speaker 2>or at the club, often getting on stage to sing
<v Speaker 2>an occasional song or two, and is constantly the brunt
<v Speaker 2>of the usual Italian jokes, none of which I'm sure
<v Speaker 2>we're directed at Terry Boulett. None and good nature jabs
<v Speaker 2>at his hairline, which has receded nearly to the back
<v Speaker 2>collar of his shirt, and that triggers Hulk for sure
<v Speaker 2>to describe it that way. He is an enthusiastic supporter
<v Speaker 2>of country music, who made the switch from pop entrepreneur
<v Speaker 2>to country nearly a decade ago, and who has also
<v Speaker 2>tried his hand at record production. Two of his efforts,
<v Speaker 2>recorded at the Imperial Room are on sale at the
<v Speaker 2>package store next to the lounge. The audiences at the
<v Speaker 2>club proved to be an interesting lot, many cases as
<v Speaker 2>colorful as the entertainers. There is no set mold for
<v Speaker 2>the country audiences of Tampa these days, and a look
<v Speaker 2>around will prove that to be true. There are as
<v Speaker 2>many young people there on any given night as older ones.
<v Speaker 2>There are as many ties as open shirts, and as
<v Speaker 2>many longer hair styles as there are cowboy hats. Few
<v Speaker 2>were jeans, and ladies dress runs the course from the
<v Speaker 2>white boots and hairspray syndrome to pants suit outfits. One
<v Speaker 2>thing is always the same there the continual give and
<v Speaker 2>take between the audience and the performers. Again, this closeness
<v Speaker 2>between the audience and performers in the country field is
<v Speaker 2>the same force that keeps the flow of communications running
<v Speaker 2>back and forth between stage and floor with the ease
<v Speaker 2>of a ping pong ball. The better the entertainer, the
<v Speaker 2>smoother the exchanges, and in most cases the funnier. And
<v Speaker 2>one reason that the Imperial Room is so successful then
<v Speaker 2>the audience is so loyal. Is another phenomenon to the
<v Speaker 2>country field. The house band, in this case called with
<v Speaker 2>blinding originality Docs band band leader Captain Lewis Sidekicks, Jim
<v Speaker 2>Faircloth on guitar and Kenny Dmiria on drums hold forth
<v Speaker 2>with female vocalists Pat duncan and Linda mcpag. The house
<v Speaker 2>band plays an important role in the country music club
<v Speaker 2>of today. Theirs is the responsibility of giving the musical
<v Speaker 2>support to ninety percent of the artists booked at the club,
<v Speaker 2>and with the diversity and style prevalent on the scene today,
<v Speaker 2>it's a task few can handle with the expertise of
<v Speaker 2>these musicians. Apart from the obvious duties of playing behind
<v Speaker 2>the stars, the house band is the foundation from which
<v Speaker 2>the regular patron's interest in the club is built. It's
<v Speaker 2>one thing to come into a strange town and play
<v Speaker 2>your music to a completely new crowd and then move
<v Speaker 2>along to another a week later. Brother, but a group
<v Speaker 2>on But a group on stage for the same basic
<v Speaker 2>audience week after week. Must come up get a group
<v Speaker 2>on brother, group on what? You get a group on
<v Speaker 2>stage brother, the same basic audience. Again. This is the
<v Speaker 2>old you know argument for the territories. You had to
<v Speaker 2>perform for the same islands week after week, so you
<v Speaker 2>had to learn to vary your match and style enough
<v Speaker 2>that you had a deep reservoir of instincts instead of
<v Speaker 2>just a script memorized. Of course, must come up with
<v Speaker 2>fresh material, constant continuously, and be able to continually be entertaining.
<v Speaker 2>Here's where Docs Band proves why the Imperial Room is
<v Speaker 2>considered a good time club by those who work there.
<v Speaker 2>Their brand of country music is cut from the mold
<v Speaker 2>that is the trademark of the so called new breed
<v Speaker 2>of country musicians. They play the familiar pop tunes of
<v Speaker 2>the top thirty country charts and answer to audience requests,
<v Speaker 2>but they also take the best in the new country
<v Speaker 2>oriented pop groups like The Birds and Commander Cody and
<v Speaker 2>his Lost Planet Airmen and sneak them in on the audiences.
<v Speaker 2>We play songs that we like too. That should be
<v Speaker 2>Commander Cody, dades you like that, I should be it. No,
<v Speaker 2>I don't like it, but it should be it anyway.
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, we'll never see him again, Commander Cody. It's
<v Speaker 2>like this fucking seven year old Halloween costume. We play
<v Speaker 2>songs Commander Codin's that we like to, explained Lewis, which
<v Speaker 2>also explains what the band enjoys its music so much.
<v Speaker 2>The way we present it to them is different. I'm
<v Speaker 2>the only cat in town who plays horns on country music,
<v Speaker 2>he said. Lewis blows Boots Randolph like saxophone, Floyd Kramer
<v Speaker 2>like piano, clarinet and organ, and with his feet, as
<v Speaker 2>if he weren't already busy enough, he plays the bass
<v Speaker 2>on the organ, pedals horn in country music. He said.
<v Speaker 2>It's up to date, but it's not hard rock. People
<v Speaker 2>thirty and over can come in and listen to it
<v Speaker 2>and not be blasted out. People like the music because
<v Speaker 2>it's easy going about his audience. As Lewis said, you
<v Speaker 2>didn't have as many educated people listening ten years ago.
<v Speaker 2>Country music's changed gotten better, using better arrangements. Look at
<v Speaker 2>the writers, Christofferson mac Davis. Almost every song they write
<v Speaker 2>has covered rather recorded as a country song. If it's
<v Speaker 2>a good song, people like it. Doc's band has been
<v Speaker 2>invited to play the prestigious ux Lewis Club in Nashville
<v Speaker 2>this summer, and we'll head north for a week starring
<v Speaker 2>appearance at the club, probably in late July. They also
<v Speaker 2>host a television show weekly from the Imperial Room, taped
<v Speaker 2>on Thursday night. So there was a TV show that
<v Speaker 2>you could watch in Tampa that was taped at the
<v Speaker 2>Imperial Room. That is wild. And the fact that that's
<v Speaker 2>the case, and yet we don't have any footage of
<v Speaker 2>Terry Boleya performing on stage is it outrageous to me?
<v Speaker 2>This has to exist somewhere that we know. I'm sure
<v Speaker 2>the Netflix crew is knocking on the doors of anyone
<v Speaker 2>who has archival you know, Tampa area news station footage
<v Speaker 2>or whatever television station this show aired on. It sounds
<v Speaker 2>like a public access deal almost yeah, yeah, yeah, But
<v Speaker 2>that's that's the money. That's where you can find them
<v Speaker 2>on Thursday nights at the club, adding yet another dimension
<v Speaker 2>to the added exposure of country music is enjoying in
<v Speaker 2>the Tampa area though the Imperial Room. Though the Imperial
<v Speaker 2>Room is one of many such clubs spread throughout the
<v Speaker 2>heartland of America, it is by no means typical. What
<v Speaker 2>is typical, however, is the role it in clubs of
<v Speaker 2>similar format play and the grooming of country stars, and
<v Speaker 2>in the education of the country. Addis alliance of tomorrow,
<v Speaker 2>with the increased amount of plastic being cranked out for
<v Speaker 2>public consumption in a host of areas, It's one reason
<v Speaker 2>why many of the so called educated, as well as
<v Speaker 2>the folks already attuned to the steel guitar, are turning
<v Speaker 2>to country music in places like the Imperial Room for
<v Speaker 2>some honest foot stomping music. So just picture it, Just
<v Speaker 2>picture the audience is here in many cases, he writes,
<v Speaker 2>as colorful as the entertainers before. Terry Bolea young people,
<v Speaker 2>older ones, some in tie, some in open shirts, some
<v Speaker 2>with longer hair and cowboy hats, some in jeans, some
<v Speaker 2>in pants, suits, some in white boots. I need to see, like,
<v Speaker 2>I need a need to. I need to like bear
<v Speaker 2>witness to this. Yeah, I do, I do, because it'll
<v Speaker 2>tell us so much about like the kind of world.
<v Speaker 2>Terry Bolea grew up, grew up in you know, because
<v Speaker 2>we didn't write, we did't grew up in this era.
<v Speaker 2>We've seen it represented a million different ways on film.
<v Speaker 2>I think of almost famous that film, you know, sure, sure,
<v Speaker 2>of course, the whole time period and uh and so yeah,
<v Speaker 2>this is this is the best we're going to be
<v Speaker 2>able to do. Is apparently, is just to describe the
<v Speaker 2>Imperial Room, which is a place where Hulk played in
<v Speaker 2>some of his most prominent bands, and in fact the
<v Speaker 2>place where people involved in the Florida area wrestling scene,
<v Speaker 2>some of the biggest luminaries in Florida Championship Wrestling would
<v Speaker 2>stop by for a drink. And you know, if you're
<v Speaker 2>Dusty Rhoads, you're taking in country music, someone tells you
<v Speaker 2>the Imperial Rooms where the country scene is at, it
<v Speaker 2>makes a ton of sense that they end up there.
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine him fucking just dancing around like a
<v Speaker 2>fucking more run I just pickture, I'm coming to the
<v Speaker 2>cowboy hat, the jeans with a big belt buckle at
<v Speaker 2>just feeling like the coolest guy in the world, of course,
<v Speaker 2>and up there on stage, who's that big motherfucker, thy
<v Speaker 2>goddamn daddy. So back to that aforementioned Facebook group. Reflecting
<v Speaker 2>on Terry Play's music days, another contributor rights, he played
<v Speaker 2>guitar and later swap places with the bass player who
<v Speaker 2>also played guitar. Someone says, my brother was the one
<v Speaker 2>on the far right with his shirt open. These people
<v Speaker 2>remember all of this, all of these times. He also
<v Speaker 2>played in a band with my brother. Someone writes, I
<v Speaker 2>can't remember the name of the band right now. That
<v Speaker 2>was so long ago. He writes this, I think it's bullshit,
<v Speaker 2>but my brother and husband went over to see him wrestle.
<v Speaker 2>The first night he wrestled, he was in a mask,
<v Speaker 2>so nobody knew he was. But I think he went
<v Speaker 2>in as the undertaker. Oh, of course obviously. So I
<v Speaker 2>don't think that's right. Jesus. The person rights, when I
<v Speaker 2>was sixteen and first sneaking in bars, he was playing
<v Speaker 2>the Junkyard Lounge with Ruckus. He was just that big
<v Speaker 2>old bass player that's in quotes, by the way, that
<v Speaker 2>big old bass player, a big old bassa. The first
<v Speaker 2>time Terry Boley achieved any renown was as that big
<v Speaker 2>old bass player back then, and all the old wrestling
<v Speaker 2>grates from championship wrestling from Florida would hang out there
<v Speaker 2>as well as, of course the Imperial Room. Someone else rights.
<v Speaker 2>I used to see his band play all the time
<v Speaker 2>at Dino's Islands Club and the Performing Arts Center. Someone
<v Speaker 2>else rights more like polyester. I don't think anybody could
<v Speaker 2>afford silk, because they were talking about it, the silk
<v Speaker 2>shirt he was wearing in the publicity film. I remember
<v Speaker 2>those days. Someone else rights. Terry was two grades ahead
<v Speaker 2>of me at Robinson. He made his bass guitar look
<v Speaker 2>small in his hands. Someone else writes saw them at
<v Speaker 2>Tom Sawyer's off Hillsborough Avenue. Wasn't he considered for Megadeath
<v Speaker 2>or Metallica or something like that? Someone else writes, damn right,
<v Speaker 2>shut down immediately. Someone else writes, picture from the nineteenth
<v Speaker 2>Do you believe? We believe everything you read Jesus Christ. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's where it gets all bad. Yeah, let me guess
<v Speaker 2>you also support and then they bring up politics, and
<v Speaker 2>you know how that goes. Oh my god, it's so
<v Speaker 2>fucking looking at the book, the immediate judgment. It's like
<v Speaker 2>so unnecessary looking at your photo history. Yeah yeah, oh god,
<v Speaker 2>So that picture you saw and that they saw here
<v Speaker 2>on the Facebook. Thing with them opposing in from those
<v Speaker 2>palm trees. A contributor says that picture is actually from
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventy one Robinson High School yearbook. We went
<v Speaker 2>together to have our pictures taken. Someone else asked, did
<v Speaker 2>he call everyone brother back then? Too? Well, we confirmed
<v Speaker 2>with Vic Pettitt that he did not, So that's good. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's right. Someone else writes, hah No. But he sometimes
<v Speaker 2>came up with nicknames for his friends. He called me GB.
<v Speaker 2>This is Gary Barris who he talked about, who's in
<v Speaker 2>the band? Yo? Yo? GB? What's It's a hard time
<v Speaker 2>picturing him without brother but with that voice still. I
<v Speaker 2>know you did such a good job trying to get
<v Speaker 2>Vic to imitate him, but he couldn't do it. It's
<v Speaker 2>like I need to know what his voice sounds like,
<v Speaker 2>I need it so bad. I mean, it was like
<v Speaker 2>it was so it was someone that really got to me.
<v Speaker 2>Like when we were doing the interview, I was like, well, wait,
<v Speaker 2>we don't even know what he fucking sounded like. Imagine
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan as a seven year old, like when they
<v Speaker 2>first met, what was that voice? Oh my god, even
<v Speaker 2>in his teenage years, like when it first starts getting
<v Speaker 2>based in his voice. It can't because he's up Booze
<v Speaker 2>clar Bro. You know he's not doing the whole like
<v Speaker 2>Kfe Carnie talk yet either. Amazing. Someone else writes, I
<v Speaker 2>was just curious. I I've always liked him. He was
<v Speaker 2>always seemed like a genuine guy. Enjoyed reading all of this,
<v Speaker 2>and it's it goes on and on. Someone writes, Ah,
<v Speaker 2>the jam best time of my life. Some people remember
<v Speaker 2>these these some people remember who been playing in the
<v Speaker 2>band and being in those crowds is the best time
<v Speaker 2>of their life. That's that's that's a wild wild thing.
<v Speaker 2>It was a great time, someone else writes. Someone else writes,
<v Speaker 2>poor guys actually lived in their band Van. According to
<v Speaker 2>my ex fiance brother, band Van Dude? What band Van Vader?
<v Speaker 2>I mean what, big brother? What you try? You can
<v Speaker 2>lead a horse to water?
<v Speaker 10>Brother?
<v Speaker 2>Now you're asking me to drink? Dude, dude, you I
<v Speaker 2>mean Bandvan? Brother? How do you even know? We had
<v Speaker 2>a what is it? How do you huh? What do
<v Speaker 2>you know? Who even? Brother? You're talking to the billy managered?
<v Speaker 2>What's going on? Brother? I gotta know, dude, brother, you
<v Speaker 2>you can talking about gossam in fifty's end, dude, maybe
<v Speaker 2>someone else writes Sue. She writes, he was never good looking. Yeah, no,
<v Speaker 2>wonder he fucking felt so good so like in his
<v Speaker 2>own head back then, this woman still can't let up
<v Speaker 2>that she didn't think he was good looking. I remember
<v Speaker 2>anyone asking you, by the way, But yeah, right, I
<v Speaker 2>must have been Tampa back then, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>So here's a bit born from Terry's second book about
<v Speaker 2>this whole crazy era in his life. There you go, boss,
<v Speaker 2>all right? Where it all came from? I did already? Well,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we always had a piano. Uh oh, well,
<v Speaker 2>it's not that hard. We always had a piano. We
<v Speaker 2>always had a piano in that tiny house of ours,
<v Speaker 2>and my mom was always playing. So I developed an
<v Speaker 2>ear for music without even trying for something. I'm sure
<v Speaker 2>you deveilt a lot of things out even trying. Yeah, yeah, uh.
<v Speaker 2>You developed a main events style without even trying help them,
<v Speaker 2>a mall food court concept without microwaves, a little hamburgers
<v Speaker 2>without even trying it. Developed a way to try to
<v Speaker 2>go mainstream without even trying, right, developed the way to
<v Speaker 2>create a genre of action adventure companies that make money
<v Speaker 2>that all made money. Even though they didn't do very well,
<v Speaker 2>they all made money, you know. For some reason, Right
<v Speaker 2>before junior high, I suddenly got really interested in guitar,
<v Speaker 2>and I remember I asked my parents if i'll take lessons,
<v Speaker 2>even though we didn't have much money. My parents were
<v Speaker 2>always real supportive and stuff like that, so they hooked
<v Speaker 2>me up with a teacher, and as soon as I
<v Speaker 2>showed some talent, my dad bought me my first guitar.
<v Speaker 2>And not a cheap department store guitar either. It was
<v Speaker 2>a guild and it cost me like three or four
<v Speaker 2>Hey you talking about the screen actors guild. Huh, my
<v Speaker 2>union and it costs like three or four hundred bucks.
<v Speaker 2>You're looking back on it now, you have no idea
<v Speaker 2>how they afforded it. It was a real nice electric
<v Speaker 2>and I certainly got every pennies worth out of it.
<v Speaker 2>The music just made sense to me for some reason.
<v Speaker 2>I was always real good at math, and music was
<v Speaker 2>kind of like math to me. I was always real
<v Speaker 2>good at math, and music was kind of like math
<v Speaker 2>to me. Okay, So I picked it up pretty quick,
<v Speaker 2>and I had several guitar teachers, and before long I
<v Speaker 2>started playing in bands. Most people, like you know, they're
<v Speaker 2>not good at math when they're into music. I know
<v Speaker 2>I was probably, I mean I get that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>going in the progression that you go, because if you're
<v Speaker 2>playing covers, I can see it being a math exercise, right,
<v Speaker 2>You're like memorizing how to replicate something instead of creating
<v Speaker 2>something of your own, you know, right, right, And that's
<v Speaker 2>that's all Cogan by the way, I mean, from the
<v Speaker 2>Billy Graham rap to the the body of Billy Graham
<v Speaker 2>and the Dusty Rhodes rap. He Wholk is nothing if
<v Speaker 2>not an amalgamation of like seven or eight wrestlers, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I know it's so true, none of which he invented.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, brother, he didn't in nothing, No pythons. It's
<v Speaker 2>all from others. It's all, I mean, expertly observed. You know,
<v Speaker 2>he observed all those people well enough to really internalize
<v Speaker 2>how to be them in kind of like this melded
<v Speaker 2>package that was it was never too much of one wrestler.
<v Speaker 2>He it was like La Night, like he's a little
<v Speaker 2>too much like the rock. You know, you can tell
<v Speaker 2>like he's he it's seventy thirty rock instead of fifty
<v Speaker 2>to fifty or you know, thirty three and a third
<v Speaker 2>of three wrestlers right well with hull Key, you know,
<v Speaker 2>he found out how other things worked, he observed what
<v Speaker 2>made them work, and then he you know, as long
<v Speaker 2>as he was in full control, he could figure out
<v Speaker 2>how to make it work for himself as well. That's
<v Speaker 2>pretty wild. There's the math of it, and now you
<v Speaker 2>know there's all this about music in high school and math.
<v Speaker 2>You say, what about bond issuance, Terry? What about the
<v Speaker 2>issuance of municipal bonds to fund improvements in the school
<v Speaker 2>you went to? Is there any chance, nts that the
<v Speaker 2>Tampa Tribune in nineteen seventy approached you on campus and
<v Speaker 2>asked you for your personal opinion on the bond issue?
<v Speaker 2>James Bondishoe, Seniors at Robinson High will graduate before their
<v Speaker 2>school gets the gymnasium and teaching auditorium proposed under the
<v Speaker 2>nineteen point one million dollar bond issue, but they're pulling
<v Speaker 2>for it anyway and afraid it might not pass. A
<v Speaker 2>lot of people are confused. A lot like my parents,
<v Speaker 2>don't understand what this bond issue is about, said Cheryl Kissling, seventeen.
<v Speaker 2>People who don't have firm ideas are more likely to
<v Speaker 2>vote against it. They're afraid it's going to increase their taxes.
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see everyone vote for it. She added.
<v Speaker 2>It's going to affect more than Robinson students, said Larry
<v Speaker 2>Mason sixteen. But right here it does get cold in
<v Speaker 2>the winter for a guy out on the courts. That's
<v Speaker 2>where physical education classes are held now in the open air.
<v Speaker 2>When it rains, classes are crammed quote into the small
<v Speaker 2>pe building, added Mason. Would that be the Pea building
<v Speaker 2>where Hulkogan had a shoot match with the cob So
<v Speaker 2>those environs that he was describing running for his life
<v Speaker 2>through the shower in locker room to avoid coach Man.
<v Speaker 2>There was a proposal to go out to Bond to
<v Speaker 2>completely refurbish all of those facilities at hol Coven's High
<v Speaker 2>School by the time he left. And here's the money quote,
<v Speaker 2>why don't they include the gym and everything Robinson built?
<v Speaker 2>Eleven years ago? Asked Terry Bulaya seventeen Terry for an
<v Speaker 2>article about the Bondihuans, and he goes on here to
<v Speaker 2>talk about his very first band. Now we mentioned it,
<v Speaker 2>we mentioned that it existed, but we haven't give you
<v Speaker 2>the name yet, and we're about to give you the
<v Speaker 2>name this again, Boss, if you can carry forward. Also
<v Speaker 2>from Hulk's second book, Okay, what was his very first
<v Speaker 2>band called? Okay, I've heard first band was called the
<v Speaker 2>Plastic Pleasure Palace Verse sixty is right? I guess I
<v Speaker 2>don't know pleasure Plastic Pleasure Palace, I gay, I guess
<v Speaker 2>it's sixties. We also call ourselves Dildo p Fast Palace,
<v Speaker 2>micro Plastics Bonanza, and we never played anywhere, but it
<v Speaker 2>was good practice. We had a drummer named Chet and
<v Speaker 2>a guitarist named Danny. Danny and I both had such
<v Speaker 2>big egos that neither one of us wanted to give
<v Speaker 2>up the guitar to play bass, so the band was
<v Speaker 2>just two guitars and drums. We were the greatest garage
<v Speaker 2>band that never got out of the garage. It brought
<v Speaker 2>you by garage beer, by the way, right, exactly, damn right.
<v Speaker 2>It was a few months after joining up with those guys,
<v Speaker 2>I stepped out on my own and joined a real
<v Speaker 2>band with real gigs. He Infinity's had looked like a
<v Speaker 2>professional group, but we were all just a bunch of kids,
<v Speaker 2>and I was still in junior high school. I know
<v Speaker 2>he changes when he was in this band a million times.
<v Speaker 2>He's a freshman, then he's a junior, then he's a senior,
<v Speaker 2>then he's in junior high It's fucking crazy. Still, we
<v Speaker 2>were a pretty slick When was that? When was that
<v Speaker 2>fucking article from sixty nine? Graduated in seventy one, graduate
<v Speaker 2>high school. So he's so we know it's a sophomore thing.
<v Speaker 2>Well that's assuming that's the first ever. No, I guess
<v Speaker 2>that's just because that article got published doesn't mean they
<v Speaker 2>didn't exist before. It's a good point. I mean, I guess, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's a good point, you know. Uh, Still, we were
<v Speaker 2>a pretty slick organization. A keyboard player was named Gary Barris,
<v Speaker 2>and his father, Bob Barris, would drive us around, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the station wagon with a trailer off the back. You
<v Speaker 2>had a haul or equipment. Missus Barres used to paint
<v Speaker 2>peace signs and daisies on our pants with black light
<v Speaker 2>paint that would glow on stage. Is She also made
<v Speaker 2>us wear socks. Fuck socks, brother, it doesn't say that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, wear socks with our penny loafers. And if
<v Speaker 2>we didn't, and if we didn't, we get fine. Five
<v Speaker 2>dollars what by who? The band? Apparently apparently Yeah, the parents.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's ridiculous. It was a big deal
<v Speaker 2>to her for some reason. I think you don't you
<v Speaker 2>don't wear anyway, Uh to a point about skimming some
<v Speaker 2>off the top, right, yeah, yeah, with these two kayzy penalties,
<v Speaker 2>he can I remember. Mister Barriss was a real stiff
<v Speaker 2>kind of guy. Brother, the one's fucking going stuff on me, dude,
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you that, and took the whole thing real seriously.
<v Speaker 2>Whatever the gig was, you know, we would play forty minutes,
<v Speaker 2>then take a twenty minute break, and we couldn't be late,
<v Speaker 2>we couldn't break too early. He kind of took some
<v Speaker 2>of the fun out of it, and with all that
<v Speaker 2>discipline the thing. But the thing was, we were junior
<v Speaker 2>hot kids and we're actually making money at this. On weekends,
<v Speaker 2>we played at the local rec centers and a lot
<v Speaker 2>of high school dances, and we'd drive up to Gainesville
<v Speaker 2>or wherever to play for turnity parties at colleges. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they were fucking playing fraternity parties in junior high.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that went overwall. We even had gigs in
<v Speaker 2>the clubs attached to some of the big daddy liquor
<v Speaker 2>stores down here. Okay, so Imperial liquor stores. But maybe
<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong. I mean either way, like you know, again,
<v Speaker 2>you're not I don't think you're playing fucking in liquor
<v Speaker 2>stores and shit, it's a curious thing. It's like these
<v Speaker 2>these guys can't drink, but they're the entertainment in a
<v Speaker 2>place that fifty percent of the reason people show up
<v Speaker 2>is to drink, right, I mean that's just I mean,
<v Speaker 2>maybe it is. Maybe maybe when it comes to like
<v Speaker 2>to talent and stuff like that. You know, go play
<v Speaker 2>a club that normally anyone under eighteen or even the
<v Speaker 2>drinking age can't go into, you can do that, but
<v Speaker 2>you can perform for whatever reason. Maybe maybe that is true.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I never did the club scene. It
<v Speaker 2>was just a real big deal. I don't remember what
<v Speaker 2>those gigs paid, but I do know I thought I
<v Speaker 2>was making one hundred bucks a week. But I whew,
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't a while. We play a private party or
<v Speaker 2>from corporate gig and I'm pulling like five hundred dollars.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it wasn't much Like, it wasn't much up
<v Speaker 2>to you split it up all up and took out
<v Speaker 2>the expenses, but it was still good money. In junior high,
<v Speaker 2>I guess was around this time when I first started
<v Speaker 2>to notice that my family didn't have as much money
<v Speaker 2>as some other families. Even my friend Vic Pettitt. His
<v Speaker 2>parents had a big color TV in their living room
<v Speaker 2>and always seemed to be getting new cars every every
<v Speaker 2>few years. Other kids seemed to have cooler clothes or
<v Speaker 2>newer clothes than I ever did. They certainly had more clothes.
<v Speaker 2>I remember wearing the same pair of pants to school
<v Speaker 2>over and over. I mean it was because I was
<v Speaker 2>a teenager now and hyper aware of pure acceptance, but
<v Speaker 2>it was really starting to bother me thinking that other
<v Speaker 2>kids would notice. So I have an extra money coming
<v Speaker 2>in from the band was a godsend. Allowed me to
<v Speaker 2>go out and buy a new shirt or a new
<v Speaker 2>pair of pants to help me feel like I fit
<v Speaker 2>in a little better. You know, yes, I do. I
<v Speaker 2>totally understand that. You know, it's so annoying. I loved
<v Speaker 2>having the freedom to do that with my own money
<v Speaker 2>instead of having to ask my parents for something. Brother,
<v Speaker 2>Oh there's more. Don't get me wrong. Don't get the wrong.
<v Speaker 2>Impression I was turned into some cool rocker dude because
<v Speaker 2>I was in a band playing gigs so young. It's
<v Speaker 2>kind of like how I wasn't a jock, even though
<v Speaker 2>I could play baseball and Infinity's in with such a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of nerds. We were these totally nerdy guys in
<v Speaker 2>our black live pants and penny loafers, doing synchronized dance
<v Speaker 2>moves with our guitars while we played Iron, Butterfly and
<v Speaker 2>Steppenwolf songs. We were like a live jukebox if people
<v Speaker 2>loved the music, but we didn't get any attention from
<v Speaker 2>young girls, so that whole notion of sex, drugs, and
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll didn't really exist for me. If we
<v Speaker 2>looked like hippie, if it looked like hippies with our
<v Speaker 2>long hair, trust me, we were hippies who didn't smoke
<v Speaker 2>pot I didn't. I didn't so much as see a
<v Speaker 2>joint back then. I don't even think I saw one
<v Speaker 2>on high school. It was obvious. I was oblivious to
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. Even with my older brother Alan, I didn't
<v Speaker 2>understand what he was into at the time. I just
<v Speaker 2>thought he was crazy. The only joint, the only joint,
<v Speaker 2>This guy know anything about back then was a burger
<v Speaker 2>joint or the joint that his brother would in that night, whatever, right,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand what what he was into it now,
<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was great. Years would go by
<v Speaker 2>before I realized what kind of drugs he was taking.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure everybody else was doing it, but I didn't
<v Speaker 2>know anything about drugs. I don't know anything about sex either. Brother,
<v Speaker 2>So he's uh, he's a nerd, but I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to put my cock, Dude, I said,
<v Speaker 2>this fucking thing hanging out with whom my life brother,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to do with it, where to
<v Speaker 2>put it? Uh? So he's a nerd? Does this? Does
<v Speaker 2>this track? Yes? I mean it definitely based on what
<v Speaker 2>he looked like. For sure, he definitely seems like a nerd,
<v Speaker 2>no question. He's a he's a you know, you know
<v Speaker 2>there's always there's always like a big you know, kind
<v Speaker 2>of a weird, big, tough but not so tough nerd.
<v Speaker 2>You know, who could be like him? I can, I
<v Speaker 2>can totally see that, right, And like he's while he's
<v Speaker 2>got the size that allows him to exert himself physically,
<v Speaker 2>at his heart, he's not really the kind of person
<v Speaker 2>that wants to use that to his advantage. He'd rather
<v Speaker 2>avoid situations where that's called for. I think it makes
<v Speaker 2>a lot of sense. You know, Hul Hogan was a nerd.
<v Speaker 2>I mean you always say that about Triple Ah. He's
<v Speaker 2>a nerd, Like that's what you have to remember about him.
<v Speaker 2>And I always like, what are you talking about? But
<v Speaker 2>now I kind of get it. Like talk about a
<v Speaker 2>starter kit for going all in on bodybuilding, you feel
<v Speaker 2>like a nerd? Yes, you know it starts exactly. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>because you want to be different. And you know, whenever
<v Speaker 2>people hear about that, Hulk Cogan was all these groovy
<v Speaker 2>rock bands and in his teenage years, in his twenties,
<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, he was. He was not mister confidence.
<v Speaker 2>He was almost like it was almost like a way
<v Speaker 2>for him to be a wallflower. Was he was. He
<v Speaker 2>was part of the entertainment, but he wasn't in the party.
<v Speaker 2>You know, he wasn't amongst the kids having sex and
<v Speaker 2>doing drugs. He was he was only there because he
<v Speaker 2>could provide the soundtrack. And it didn't you know, Ed
<v Speaker 2>Leslie saw a cool guy up there. Some other guys
<v Speaker 2>may have seen a cool guy up there, but Hulk
<v Speaker 2>Cogan felt like he was just a nerd trying to
<v Speaker 2>find a place in the scene. In the fact that
<v Speaker 2>he played guitar was was his entree into the scene,
<v Speaker 2>but he was never of the scene, which I think
<v Speaker 2>is really something that tells you a lot about kind
<v Speaker 2>of how Hulk ended up moving through the world, if
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of what he remembers and what he's trying
<v Speaker 2>to the reputation he's trying to shake. So we've mentioned
<v Speaker 2>a lot of different band names over the course of
<v Speaker 2>this episode, and I know it can get very confusing,
<v Speaker 2>and thanks again to the help of Matt, we've tried
<v Speaker 2>to create a compendium of every band Terry Bolea was in. Now,
<v Speaker 2>this might not be totally accurate in terms of the
<v Speaker 2>member of each band, but we're doing our square best.
<v Speaker 2>There was, of course, Infinity's end. We mentioned the Pleasure
<v Speaker 2>Plastic Palace, whatever they'd call that one. To his point,
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't one that ever did any live performances, so
<v Speaker 2>it barely counts, but he does remember it. That would
<v Speaker 2>have come first, then Infinity's end in and around sixty
<v Speaker 2>nine lead vocals chet Yocum, lead guitar Terry Boulaya guitar
<v Speaker 2>and orgon, Gary Bearress basin trump, and Mike Bearris drums,
<v Speaker 2>John Phillips. He was also in a band called Magic
<v Speaker 2>from nineteen seventy two to nineteen seventy three, as best
<v Speaker 2>we can tell, and this is in his short term
<v Speaker 2>stint at the University of South Florida. He also went
<v Speaker 2>to Hillsborough Community College, I believe, where he studied like
<v Speaker 2>business and something else. It didn't go anywhere. Terry Bolay
<v Speaker 2>does not have a college degree and he only had
<v Speaker 2>a very cursory experience. He'd be the some college guy
<v Speaker 2>on a job application. But Magic was a band that
<v Speaker 2>existed when he was on campus. Corner what we could
<v Speaker 2>find lead vocals Mike Flowers on guitar, Frank Gregorio and
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Griggs on bass, Terry Bowlea on orgon, David White
<v Speaker 2>and on drums Mark curR. Then there was a band
<v Speaker 2>called Coco Ko Ceo that we see him associated with
<v Speaker 2>in and around nineteen seventy three to seventy four. Lead
<v Speaker 2>vocals Anthony Barcello, who someone he calls out in his
<v Speaker 2>book has helping him get a job down the docks
<v Speaker 2>as well, So that kind of Barcella on guitar, Robin
<v Speaker 2>Sibukaku I think or Sibukou on bass, Terry Bolea on oregon,
<v Speaker 2>David White and on drums Mark Cure Bandit was another
<v Speaker 2>band that Hulk Ogan was associated with in and around
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five lead vocals. There was again Anthony Barcello guitar,
<v Speaker 2>Gary Devrained on bass, Terry Boleya on saxophone and keyboards,
<v Speaker 2>Mark Kutash on trumpet, Jeff Southworth on drums, Don Orr
<v Speaker 2>and then there was Ruckus in and around nineteen seventy
<v Speaker 2>six to seventy eight, and Ruckus is most well known
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of reasons. One, it's the band that
<v Speaker 2>has the publicity photo where Hulk has the shoulder length
<v Speaker 2>blonde hair and looks like a woman. It looks like
<v Speaker 2>Shaer basically If Share, If Share was built like Joni Louer,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And that was the band that he was
<v Speaker 2>playing in when wrestlers began to come to his gigs
<v Speaker 2>and people involved in the Florida office would start to
<v Speaker 2>come in and around his gigs and notice him as
<v Speaker 2>a potential prospect for the wrestling world. So that's why
<v Speaker 2>Rucus I think stands out more than all of his
<v Speaker 2>other bands because it's the one that provides that that
<v Speaker 2>bridge into him becoming a professional wrestler. And in that band,
<v Speaker 2>the lead vocals and rhythm guitar were Anthony Barcelo once
<v Speaker 2>again guitar and backing vocals Gary Dvrened on bass, Terry
<v Speaker 2>Bolea keyboard, Stan Chapman drums, Larry Stovell. Magic became Coco,
<v Speaker 2>and bandit became Ruckus. Okay, so these these are well
<v Speaker 2>different names, not always as you could tell by the lineups.
<v Speaker 2>They are necessarily different people. They would just renamed themselves,
<v Speaker 2>but it Beers. That's that's the progression. Matt tells us
<v Speaker 2>that vocalist Anthony Burcella was remembered very fondly in the
<v Speaker 2>local Facebook groups down there. Was apparently a big talent,
<v Speaker 2>and Terry met him while working construction, according to one
<v Speaker 2>of the pieces, and we're gonna waiting to get into
<v Speaker 2>that here in a bit. He also says Robin Subacow,
<v Speaker 2>Coco's guitarist, has quite a resume and his and he's
<v Speaker 2>currently listed as an independent entertainment professional. Oh jesus, you know,
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, there's that. That's so he's always my
<v Speaker 2>fucking favorite. So he's a pro wrestler essentially. Yeah. So
<v Speaker 2>so he's unemployed too. Oh my god, he's a he's
<v Speaker 2>an entertainment professional, and that he professional. He professionalizes an
<v Speaker 2>entertainment when he's got some extra time. I just that
<v Speaker 2>that ship. I just can't. I can't with that ship.
<v Speaker 2>So another excerpt here from the book for you, my
<v Speaker 2>question for you, Terry, if you can pull it up? Boss?
<v Speaker 2>Was the rock and roll thing a perfect fit at
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, was it? Well, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the rock and roll thing wasn't a perfect fit though,
<v Speaker 2>Even though I love music. Barmy was getting sick of
<v Speaker 2>tired of going down to the same clubs every weekend,
<v Speaker 2>playing the same songs and going through the same routines,
<v Speaker 2>which is kind of ironic given how he would go
<v Speaker 2>through the same fucking match over and over again. I know, well,
<v Speaker 2>that's right. As a fan of math and all that shit, like, right,
<v Speaker 2>you should be you should love routines like routines should
<v Speaker 2>be fucking would get you off, brother, Well, that is
<v Speaker 2>how he did his h absolutely, how he did his
<v Speaker 2>wrestling matches like I'm like a math equation. Absolutely, yeah, exactly,
<v Speaker 2>they were down to a fucking there was a science.
<v Speaker 2>You know, same club were playing the same song, all
<v Speaker 2>the same. I wanted to break into the big time.
<v Speaker 2>You know, after three years of the same club, you
<v Speaker 2>might get a two hundred dollars raise, I mean a raise. No, No,
<v Speaker 2>you negotiate your fee. That's what it is. You don't
<v Speaker 2>get a raise. You're not on a salary at the club.
<v Speaker 2>I'm so true. Yeah, and I split between five guys, brother,
<v Speaker 2>you split five, Well you already met Paul White when
<v Speaker 2>we got down. I want to go down with a
<v Speaker 2>giant brother of five guys, more like splitting it with
<v Speaker 2>with twenty five guys. Due, absolutely, it just wasn't enough
<v Speaker 2>for me. ALUs The thing about working with those bands
<v Speaker 2>was it seemed like as soon as we would would
<v Speaker 2>get a break or a chance to start making real
<v Speaker 2>big money, the guys will start bitching out having to
<v Speaker 2>work too much, or one guy would would go off
<v Speaker 2>and get married, and then we wouldn't want to travel.
<v Speaker 2>It was like banging my head against a wall sometimes,
<v Speaker 2>like no one was willing to have about steel chair instead,
<v Speaker 2>like no one was willing to give it there all
<v Speaker 2>to get to get to that next level. For the trouble.
<v Speaker 2>Get to the next level, dude, he's already starting the
<v Speaker 2>bullshit he want he wants to leave the band. And guys, dude,
<v Speaker 2>you know, brother, we had brother. You know we're talking
<v Speaker 2>about iNFiNiT his end. Do we gotta ta if it's
<v Speaker 2>to that next level? You know, I'm talking brother, This
<v Speaker 2>thing we're doing, dude, we're gonna kind of get to
<v Speaker 2>that next level, brother. Like I always said, all the
<v Speaker 2>u to get to the next level, they all said
<v Speaker 2>they dreamed about getting to you know, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>get it. I totally get it. I certainly couldn't be
<v Speaker 2>a soul act. I couldn't sing worth a damn, and
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have that that leading man look. I also
<v Speaker 2>hooked up with a couple of other bands my junior
<v Speaker 2>and senior year. These bands with guys in their twenties
<v Speaker 2>who were playing the really hot clubs in the area
<v Speaker 2>and making some real dough. Then dawn on me. Here
<v Speaker 2>I was in my teens, and I could make more
<v Speaker 2>money playing music two nights a week than my dad
<v Speaker 2>made working all week in the sun. Go a doing
<v Speaker 2>that math. That's a huge wake up call for me.
<v Speaker 2>My parents had never had any new cars, this is
<v Speaker 2>book two. By the way, I didn't say that. He
<v Speaker 2>made a note of that in area. Oh yeah, this
<v Speaker 2>is book two. Uh you call all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>my senior year of high school, I could go out
<v Speaker 2>and buy a new charger for like three grand. They
<v Speaker 2>actually living in a hotel part of my senior year
<v Speaker 2>for free. It was. Oh, it was part of the
<v Speaker 2>deal with this band that played on the Islands Club,
<v Speaker 2>you know where I was playing all these new dance
<v Speaker 2>music and to wear the platform shoes and the whole deal.
<v Speaker 2>It was the nineteen seventies man, and we had to
<v Speaker 2>look the part you're playing music clearly meant that you
<v Speaker 2>could avoid working a real Jobingo, there it is. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I've been waiting for it. There it is. That's it.
<v Speaker 2>That's it. That's why the people are in the business anyway,
<v Speaker 2>is because they have such a phobia of being perceived
<v Speaker 2>as just a working stiff. Oh dude, I mean that.
<v Speaker 2>That's that's all entertainment jobs there. You know, you don't
<v Speaker 2>want to work a real job. You don't want to
<v Speaker 2>go in office day to day. I get it, I
<v Speaker 2>get it. The wrestlers have the added disadvantage. Most of them,
<v Speaker 2>especially they're like college athletes of feeling like alpha's before then,
<v Speaker 2>So it's even more demoralizing, even more humility to be
<v Speaker 2>a nobody because they felt like a somebody because they
<v Speaker 2>were jacked and were athletic because they fucking because they
<v Speaker 2>fucking peaked in high school, right, And wrestling allows you
<v Speaker 2>to end those years. Yep, exactly because you know, you know,
<v Speaker 2>so many people You're right, they think that they can.
<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to be those star athletes when
<v Speaker 2>really they're not. They just don't happen. And even if
<v Speaker 2>they're not professional, they're not about to give up, you know.
<v Speaker 2>They're like Jerry O'Connell and can hardly wait. Yes, they're
<v Speaker 2>not about to give up the trappings of being an athlete,
<v Speaker 2>even if it's clearly not going to happen for them.
<v Speaker 2>And wrestling is a great way to kind of still
<v Speaker 2>feel somewhat like a jock, you know, especially back then
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies and eighties. Yep, for sure, uh real t,
<v Speaker 2>but also meant you could avoid the real world in
<v Speaker 2>general by saying that late and going to bed whenever
<v Speaker 2>one else gets up to go to work. I love
<v Speaker 2>the escape. I love the escape as part of the
<v Speaker 2>reason wrestling would eventually appeal to me. I just wanted
<v Speaker 2>to do anything to avoid that boring routine. Non five
<v Speaker 2>you know, Oh I know, Terry, Yeah, I guess brother,
<v Speaker 2>amazing a feel you, dude. So to the point about Bandit,
<v Speaker 2>here's an article that appeared in a local newspaper in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five. It's a review of Bandit and what
<v Speaker 2>they were putting out by Linn O'Malley. The understatement of
<v Speaker 2>the day would be to say, there are a lot
<v Speaker 2>of rock groups playing around this area. There are, however,
<v Speaker 2>rock groups and then rock groups. Every now and then
<v Speaker 2>you come across a group, usually young enough in the
<v Speaker 2>business to still be enthused about their music, who have
<v Speaker 2>that certain spark. Their music is the kind that makes
<v Speaker 2>you want to get up and dance, even though you've
<v Speaker 2>heard those same songs one hundred times. Thus, fellow rock
<v Speaker 2>fans describes Bandit now performing on Lake Parker and Lakeland,
<v Speaker 2>calling themselves a funky horn group. Oh my god, these
<v Speaker 2>six young men, they range in age from twenty one
<v Speaker 2>to twenty six, are putting out some of the best
<v Speaker 2>rock music you can find around this area. So you know,
<v Speaker 2>let's not pretend that Hulk like played for bands that
<v Speaker 2>like no one ever knew about, or no one took
<v Speaker 2>seriously or just worked these like these discount gigs. They
<v Speaker 2>were written up in the local press. Is like pretty good,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm gonna take a look our attentive picture
<v Speaker 2>of Hulk now towering in what looks a little bit
<v Speaker 2>like the look he would bring into the earliest days. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>there we go. What do you see? Yep, yep, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I see. He's got the he's got the shoulder lank hair,
<v Speaker 2>he's got the fucking he's got the stash, he's working,
<v Speaker 2>the mustache, got the fou man shoes, tinted shades, tinted shades.
<v Speaker 2>You know. Looks like that Paul Cogan that went into
<v Speaker 2>Continental and Georgia before he went to New York. Very
<v Speaker 2>very close, very close. Uh. Anthony Barcello, the lead singer,
<v Speaker 2>and Terry boleya bass guitarist, were construction workers a couple
<v Speaker 2>of years ago who decided they were happier making music
<v Speaker 2>than buildings. After several internal changes, the group is now
<v Speaker 2>composed of don Or drums, Gary Devdrend guitar, Mark Kutash
<v Speaker 2>sacks and keyboards, and Jeff Southworth trumpet, everyone but Kutash
<v Speaker 2>takes his turn at the mic. Bandit is based in
<v Speaker 2>Tampa and has been working with the Jean Martin Agency there.
<v Speaker 2>So they were even involved with an agency which I
<v Speaker 2>did not know. So for the group so far, the
<v Speaker 2>group rather has stayed in Florida, but plans to travel
<v Speaker 2>out of state after the first of the year. They
<v Speaker 2>are also popular for one night's stands in colleges and benefits. Okay, well, brother,
<v Speaker 2>the guys enjoy the music they're putting out. This piece
<v Speaker 2>reads and include a lot of average white band and
<v Speaker 2>tower of power music along with some rock and roll
<v Speaker 2>Bandit will be at the x y Z through the fifteenth.
<v Speaker 2>They will be returning for Christmas week, so there they
<v Speaker 2>are making local headlines. Are bandits That's Wild nineteen and
<v Speaker 2>seventy five. Further, another thing he was involved in was
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned. I think Magic was the name of the
<v Speaker 2>band there was banded of course, here's one you got
<v Speaker 2>to see. I don't know what the idea was here
<v Speaker 2>for this bandit publicity photo, but Hulk is dressed in
<v Speaker 2>a white leader leezer suit with the platform shoes and
<v Speaker 2>they all decided wouldn't it be nice if we all had, right, fols,
<v Speaker 2>take a look at that? What the fun will share these?
<v Speaker 2>And if we forget to, please remind us on our
<v Speaker 2>social media accounts, our ex account. Look, I mean, also, okay, okay,
<v Speaker 2>there's a real problem someone shooting brother. First of all,
<v Speaker 2>some of the shooting, dude you got also number one,
<v Speaker 2>he looks like fucking Michael Hayes. That already is at
<v Speaker 2>that's a big problem right there. Also he's got fucking
<v Speaker 2>doctor Death Steve Williams next to him right there, like
<v Speaker 2>what terry funk? They're sitting down, yes, after business, I know,
<v Speaker 2>look at that. I mean, this is this is not okay.
<v Speaker 2>They're also like they're not flower Power anymore. They're like
<v Speaker 2>trying to be aggressive. No, they're but they're like but
<v Speaker 2>they're not. They're like disco a graphic. Yeah, because they
<v Speaker 2>wearing platform shoes, for god's sake, platform shoes, the fucking
<v Speaker 2>collar over the lapel. Look, I mean they they they
<v Speaker 2>like like, did you ever watched you ever see the
<v Speaker 2>Begs music video for Staying a Little? They ever see it? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>It's like you know, they're they're in this fucking tough city,
<v Speaker 2>but they look like fucking pussies. No, that's this, that's
<v Speaker 2>this right here, Like you know, they they trying to
<v Speaker 2>look like tough people, they're fucking pussy. How do these
<v Speaker 2>disco guys dressing like that in the hood not get
<v Speaker 2>their ass be every day? Because everyone in the hood
<v Speaker 2>was dressed that way too, is why I know it's true.
<v Speaker 2>It's true. No, they have nostalgia for that, for those
<v Speaker 2>lapels in the inner cities, just like they would in
<v Speaker 2>any you know, suburb or whatever whatever the contrast would be.
<v Speaker 2>That was the way everyone looked that. They didn't say,
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's our shaft looked right. I mean, yep,
<v Speaker 2>it's amazing, but you're right, it makes some look like
<v Speaker 2>it's clowns now, you know, seriously, I mean they look
<v Speaker 2>at Hogan there, he looks like a complete goofball with
<v Speaker 2>that fucking rifle. Like Jesus, I gotta get also the
<v Speaker 2>guy with a Tommy gun there too, the guy on
<v Speaker 2>the right with his hand on his hip there with
<v Speaker 2>the fucking platform shoes, or just must get the story
<v Speaker 2>behind the rifle idea, Like why is this? I know,
<v Speaker 2>I need I need to know what the fucking deal
<v Speaker 2>was with this? And like what what the fuck. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was a time where like the idea
<v Speaker 2>of the publicity photo was like kind of still an art,
<v Speaker 2>you know. It's like, how can we take a picture
<v Speaker 2>of people that will be I think, like incongruous enough.
<v Speaker 2>We're like, but what is this? Like, who are these guys?
<v Speaker 2>They're just holding guitars. They're like trying to say something
<v Speaker 2>with the the ambiance of the picture. You know. That's
<v Speaker 2>how they got noticed. You couldn't just upload a clip
<v Speaker 2>to TikTok, and people took in your image as well
<v Speaker 2>as your sound. They had to take in your image
<v Speaker 2>separate from your sound, and so these kind of photo
<v Speaker 2>shoots happened as a result. It's some unlike that that
<v Speaker 2>famous four Horseman photo shoot from the late eighties where
<v Speaker 2>they're all in tuxes. Yeah, you know. This one here
<v Speaker 2>is the Ruckus days after they had become Ruckus. This
<v Speaker 2>is from Friday, March fifth of nineteen and seventy six,
<v Speaker 2>from the same newspaper Lounge Review. Ruckus will be playing
<v Speaker 2>the XYZ Memorial Boulevard for two weeks. The band plays funky,
<v Speaker 2>disco oriented rock. They play loud. They I really thought
<v Speaker 2>you were going to say something else. There. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I'd say, I thought you're going to say disco orient
<v Speaker 2>wit home say it again, what was the disco funky
<v Speaker 2>disco oriented rock? I thought you were going to say
<v Speaker 2>funky disco oriental rock. That's what you were going to say.
<v Speaker 2>He hasn't for a moment. He has not met Matt
<v Speaker 2>Suita yet. Huh he is he has not quite yet apologize.
<v Speaker 2>I apologize using the word oriental. I know that's not
<v Speaker 2>he is not quite nomenclature, you know, not yet yet. However,
<v Speaker 2>that's honestly what I thought you were going to read like.
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was like. This is the weirdest music
<v Speaker 2>I've ever heard. However, looking at these pictures, they may
<v Speaker 2>very well have been an itchy band, not each bond,
<v Speaker 2>but they are ichi band.
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<v Speaker 2>The group has been together for three months, but all
<v Speaker 2>are old friends from the Tampa area. They organized from
<v Speaker 2>the remains of two fairly popular Hillsboro groups. Anthony Barcelo
<v Speaker 2>handles vocals and plays rhythm guitar. His phrasing is sharp,
<v Speaker 2>his tonality is reasonably good, and he is able to
<v Speaker 2>sing varied styles. Harmony is tight. Anthony usually sings bottom
<v Speaker 2>with Gary Devrned on top. The combination is greater than
<v Speaker 2>the sun of its parts. Two plus two equals five,
<v Speaker 2>which is the goal of serious harmonists. Both parts are
<v Speaker 2>distinct and clear. Gary also plays guitar. He is a
<v Speaker 2>good technician. Ben Strings often uses entire fretboard. Fairly fast,
<v Speaker 2>extremely accurate, and perhaps the most important of all, works
<v Speaker 2>empathetically with team members. What is this a fucking job review?
<v Speaker 2>Is this a quarterly performance review? Or is this a
<v Speaker 2>music criticism? Terry Boleya ready for this? Terry Boleya looks
<v Speaker 2>a lot like Charles Atlas. Wow, Terry has the distinction
<v Speaker 2>of being the biggest, strongest looking bass man that I
<v Speaker 2>can think of at this moment. His fender, which is
<v Speaker 2>a very long guitar. I mean, I guess they're talking
<v Speaker 2>just about his physiquecause, I mean it doesn't really look
<v Speaker 2>like Charles Alas at all. But yes, they are talking
<v Speaker 2>about his his essence, if not his exact, very similitude.
<v Speaker 2>That there's a college word for you. There we go.
<v Speaker 2>His fender, which is a very large guitar, appears to
<v Speaker 2>be a toy in his grip. His ideas are interesting,
<v Speaker 2>His fingers are dextrous. There's your first, there's your first.
<v Speaker 2>As far as I can tell, public review of Terry
<v Speaker 2>blea right there, dexterous. We don't brother dext like x
<v Speaker 2>Colm five like I mean, I'm I'm wondering about a
<v Speaker 2>lot of things here. The bass sound was muddy. Many
<v Speaker 2>basement cringe at the suggestion turn up the trouble or
<v Speaker 2>flip the bright. On the other hand, many don't. I
<v Speaker 2>normally subscribe to the cringe school of thought. I hate
<v Speaker 2>tiny bass, he says, rather tiney bass. The room's acoustics
<v Speaker 2>are dead. A little trouble, little treble would help. Larry
<v Speaker 2>Stowhall is percussionist. Drums are important in Ruckus's brand of rock.
<v Speaker 2>Larry is precise and generally handles his instrument well. Dan
<v Speaker 2>Chapman is in charge of keyboards. Dan has been knowledge,
<v Speaker 2>knowledge has keen knowledge. Excuse me of rock keyboard principle.
<v Speaker 2>His rifts opened with promise, but sometimes closed with default.
<v Speaker 2>I have the feeling Dan is capable of playing much
<v Speaker 2>better than he did the night I reviewed the group.
<v Speaker 2>He played much louder than optimum and lost his train
<v Speaker 2>of thought frequently, but his ideas were bold. It takes
<v Speaker 2>longer for a keyboard musician to adopt to a group style.
<v Speaker 2>The group has been playing together for only three months.
<v Speaker 2>The group claims to own forty thousand dollars worth of equipment.
<v Speaker 2>I wonder who in the band gave them that figure. Boss,
<v Speaker 2>I wonder who's penciling out the exact accounting on the deal.
<v Speaker 2>Big expensive equipment is a must for the big time. However,
<v Speaker 2>it complicates volume. Tone mix mix was off. Some members
<v Speaker 2>were too loud, others too soft. Instrument's were not tonally separated.
<v Speaker 2>The band is flashy. Hit movement was plentiful. Their clothes
<v Speaker 2>were made but the famous tailors Michael and Tony of Tampa,
<v Speaker 2>and they outfit many of the nation's top acts that
<v Speaker 2>I did not know. Ruckus is a good band, highly
<v Speaker 2>recommended for disco rock fans. When they sell their first album,
<v Speaker 2>you will be able to say I saw those fellows
<v Speaker 2>at a local bar. They never got around to selling
<v Speaker 2>that first album, otherwise we would have gladly played it
<v Speaker 2>by now. Oh man, it's out there, it'll come out.
<v Speaker 2>We're trying to put it out into the universe. But
<v Speaker 2>as we stand here today, we still are deprived of
<v Speaker 2>hearing what Terry bullays. Songs and sounds look like. You've
<v Speaker 2>seen Ruckus before. The photos are easy to find online.
<v Speaker 2>You just saw the bandit one. But here boss, in
<v Speaker 2>case you little needle, little reminder, and if the people
<v Speaker 2>at home are otherwise disposed and can only listen and
<v Speaker 2>not look up the image, please tell them what it
<v Speaker 2>is you see here in this Ruckus publicity shot. Oh boy,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've seen this with a Ruckus. Uh Jesus
<v Speaker 2>fucking what what's the deal? I mean, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>why you always act like it's such a big deal
<v Speaker 2>on seven you know, it's just totally normal. I'm just
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's nothing like like I caught you doing something. Nothing,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't do anything. What No, it wasn't that. So okay.
<v Speaker 2>So first you get Hogan. Hogan's in the back, of course,
<v Speaker 2>not surprising. I mean, look, there is nobody standing behind him. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>In fact, let me look here. I'm curious here and
<v Speaker 2>not in a single one not look, I mean, yes,
<v Speaker 2>he's not in the in the back back. But in
<v Speaker 2>the bandit one, Hogan can clearly see everyone around him
<v Speaker 2>like there's nobody there in uh and in the same thing.
<v Speaker 2>In the other one, he is in the back. He
<v Speaker 2>is always in the back. I mean he's wearing a bandanas.
<v Speaker 2>The first time you've seen the bandana. Look, it looks
<v Speaker 2>like he's fucking wearing wrestling and and uh in an
<v Speaker 2>elbow pad. Oh wow, yeah, you're right. It kind of
<v Speaker 2>looks like, you know, it looks like he's got like rip,
<v Speaker 2>he's got the the like rip. He's got the armbands
<v Speaker 2>that Beefcake would have, you know, that go all the
<v Speaker 2>way up past the elbow, right right, kind of show
<v Speaker 2>off the the the top of the biceps a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look at this one. This is I mean, god,
<v Speaker 2>this guy couldn't be more out of the potential getting
<v Speaker 2>rolled up position Like it's exactly where you would stand,
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, I mean you the the hold
<v Speaker 2>on here. The wall is white, his blazer is white.
<v Speaker 2>It's as if he blints into the wall exactly. But
<v Speaker 2>with ruckus here we get on the left, We've got
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this guy is a creepy motherfucker. He's just
<v Speaker 2>wearing white white pants above his belly buttons. So it's
<v Speaker 2>like fucking Fred Merch. I love luc all right, and
<v Speaker 2>he's got this this kind of red robe seventy type thing.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he it seriously is it's like insane orange. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean it's such a weird aesthetic. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's such a it really is. Like I never uh,
<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of things in the seventies that
<v Speaker 2>that I that I that I actually like and I
<v Speaker 2>think you're fine, but like there's there's there's so many
<v Speaker 2>wardrobes that built around not wearing any shirt at all, right, weird, like, right,
<v Speaker 2>let me maximized chest hair exposure. Let me maximize the
<v Speaker 2>amount that people see my stomach. It's just it's different,
<v Speaker 2>very different. And next to him, we get this Tom
<v Speaker 2>Selleck looking motherfucker with a like stars on his shoulders,
<v Speaker 2>like he's David von Eric with a white jacket chest
<v Speaker 2>hair that just fucking let's go, I mean, let's go.
<v Speaker 2>You gotta you get a carpet cleaner for that, and
<v Speaker 2>like jim pants. And then in front of Hogan is
<v Speaker 2>with like fucking actor Kevin Cory fucking good Fellas there
<v Speaker 2>and wearing he's got he's got fucking those leopard shoes,
<v Speaker 2>leopard print shoes on the bottom there, or cheetah print
<v Speaker 2>something like that. And then I mean, the other guy
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't care. Fucking uh, I don't know who. He
<v Speaker 2>looks like somebody if I can't fucking put my finger
<v Speaker 2>on it. But he's just like looking off the off
<v Speaker 2>of the side. He's got a little bit of a belly,
<v Speaker 2>and he's wearing that. Must be the guy. The reviewer
<v Speaker 2>was like, he gave up in the middle of the show.
<v Speaker 2>Must be that, yeah, right, And he's wearing like one
<v Speaker 2>of the fucking rock shirts from nineteen ninety nine. And uh,
<v Speaker 2>and then these these slacks with a million buttons on
<v Speaker 2>the crotch there. That sucks. You have to take a leak,
<v Speaker 2>no consideration for none function, just just form, you know none.
<v Speaker 2>Then he just like does not give a fuck. Amazing,
<v Speaker 2>that's funny. This is the raw material from which came. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's fucking crazy. So he jumped around a lot in
<v Speaker 2>terms of timeline all the way through the mid seventies.
<v Speaker 2>But to set to reseet, I mean, Hulkogan graduated from
<v Speaker 2>Robinson High School. Terry Bolaya did in nineteen seventy one.
<v Speaker 2>This is the same high school as we talked with
<v Speaker 2>Vic Pettit about that a dirty dick Slater went to,
<v Speaker 2>and Mike Graham and the future skinner Steve Kern all
<v Speaker 2>out of that high school. And he's making plenty of
<v Speaker 2>money before he graduates, he writes in his first book,
<v Speaker 2>even with the car payments, I was pocketing a ton
<v Speaker 2>of money when I started playing regularly with really good
<v Speaker 2>local bands at a place called the Islands Club on
<v Speaker 2>Davis Island. I moved out of my parents' house. That
<v Speaker 2>was part way through my senior year of high school.
<v Speaker 2>So Hulk moved out of that Tampa house with Ruth
<v Speaker 2>and Pete before he was even graduating in high school. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and I never moved back though. There were times when
<v Speaker 2>I had a little lot less money than I did
<v Speaker 2>in high school, and at those times, free room and
<v Speaker 2>board suddenly sounded pretty damn good to me. The Islands
<v Speaker 2>Club attracted a lot of good looking women who were
<v Speaker 2>too old for me, and also attracked a lot of
<v Speaker 2>athletes from the University of Tampa. We were just talking
<v Speaker 2>about this guy on the Goonies under the cinemat Boss.
<v Speaker 2>I remember John Matusac. Yep, yes, and he came of
<v Speaker 2>something else too, Ji Pettit brot him up. Yeah, right, exactly,
<v Speaker 2>It's right exactly. That was wild because we spent time
<v Speaker 2>during the goonies. Like, John Matusac has to have something
<v Speaker 2>to do with wrestling. There's no way this fucking guy
<v Speaker 2>has nothing. Indeed, he was a Hulk, knew one before
<v Speaker 2>he ever became a pro wrestler. Yep, yeah, I remember
<v Speaker 2>John Matusac, who wound up playing for the Oakland Raiders,
<v Speaker 2>would come by a lot. The same with Paul Orndorf,
<v Speaker 2>another tremendous athlete at the university. So yeah, of course,
<v Speaker 2>Paul and Droff was a big football stand out at
<v Speaker 2>the University of Tampa and would go on, you know, Hulk,
<v Speaker 2>Hogan's future Mega drawing opponent in New York would come
<v Speaker 2>and see him when he was playing music at the
<v Speaker 2>Islands Club. He wouldn't come specifically to see him, but
<v Speaker 2>Hulk would be performing music when paulo en Dorff came through,
<v Speaker 2>when Pauloendorff was famous for something other than being a
<v Speaker 2>professional wrestler, when he was famous as a big football star,
<v Speaker 2>and then something weird happened. Hogan writes, wrestlers started showing up.
<v Speaker 2>These guys I had watched and idolized all my life
<v Speaker 2>started coming to the Islands Club instead of them entertaining me.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, by the way he says all his life now,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get the vibe that he watched wrestling all
<v Speaker 2>his life from from victory boyhood, I would say when
<v Speaker 2>they were like seven eight, I mean, I guess, but
<v Speaker 2>it didn't seem like they were like that even back then.
<v Speaker 2>I mean the way he said it, it kind of
<v Speaker 2>seemed like they were a little bit older. Yeah, he
<v Speaker 2>didn't give an exact year, obviously, but I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>It just felt a little like it wasn't. It wasn't
<v Speaker 2>like he makes it sound like they're fucking hardcore fans
<v Speaker 2>and these are these are their fucking heroes. I think
<v Speaker 2>it's right. I think it's less the question of how
<v Speaker 2>long he was a fan and more a question of
<v Speaker 2>how big was wrestling apart of the things he loved.
<v Speaker 2>And it was right. It wasn't the biggest thing. It
<v Speaker 2>was one of six things that were probably all equally weighted,
<v Speaker 2>including music. Yeah, eating fucking chocolate again. I got again.
<v Speaker 2>I got the vibe because because mainly because he didn't
<v Speaker 2>really talk about it that much, and maybe because we
<v Speaker 2>didn't ask him, but like the amount of stuff that
<v Speaker 2>he talked about, it just seemed like he just they
<v Speaker 2>weren't like they went and they enjoyed it. That something
<v Speaker 2>they didn't enjoy it and they didn't like it, but
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a priority. Well he didn't. And I don't
<v Speaker 2>even know if he liked it as much as something else.
<v Speaker 2>I think he might have liked it less. Well, I
<v Speaker 2>think Vic was less enthusiastic about it. Like because we
<v Speaker 2>asked him, who are the big stars you saw in Tampa?
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't remember anybody. He mentioned Haystacks Caloon, which is
<v Speaker 2>like right, right, that's like a decade before. And not
<v Speaker 2>to say he didn't see the guy, but it's like
<v Speaker 2>you don't remember Dusty Rhodes or Billy Graham or Eddie Grahm.
<v Speaker 2>He remembered the Grams, but more because they were Tampa
<v Speaker 2>legends in the community rather than their you know, televised
<v Speaker 2>wrestling exploits and things like that. So yes, instead of
<v Speaker 2>entertaining me, I was the one entertaining them. Hogan writes, like,
<v Speaker 2>I say it was weird, that's funny. That just fucking
<v Speaker 2>makes me laugh that that brother, instead of entertainment, I
<v Speaker 2>was entertained them. He could picture his face too, like
<v Speaker 2>in a podcast set and like with a mic in
<v Speaker 2>his face, like I was entertained that all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>this weird thing what happened? It's not like this kind
<v Speaker 2>of switch going on? Boy? And know what I'm saying,
<v Speaker 2>like kind of like whoa, you know, dude, like you know,
<v Speaker 2>I'm a I'm I'm in the ring right now there
<v Speaker 2>in the audience cheer. He's gesturing with the hands. He's
<v Speaker 2>got a bracelet on the skin under the bicep is
<v Speaker 2>sagging a little, but he's got his muscle shirt on
<v Speaker 2>stone right exactly the sleeves. You still hear a little
<v Speaker 2>bit of clink and clink from jewelry when he moves around.
<v Speaker 2>Look like kind of has that look on his in
<v Speaker 2>his eyes at all times, like is the sky buying
<v Speaker 2>what I'm selling?
<v Speaker 8>You know?
<v Speaker 2>And I fucking red fucking bloodshot as they have been silent,
<v Speaker 2>things up and down depending on like what he thinks
<v Speaker 2>the interviewers looking for, you know, does he get humble bumble?
<v Speaker 2>What hogan?
<v Speaker 9>What?
<v Speaker 2>What truth? Is he going to share exactly what are
<v Speaker 2>they looking for? And how can I, like I always
<v Speaker 2>say about him, how can I perform for the camera
<v Speaker 2>that's in front of me. And it doesn't matter if
<v Speaker 2>that camera is beaming out to the world or if
<v Speaker 2>that camera is someone's private close circuit television camera. If
<v Speaker 2>there was one thing I thought I knew for sure
<v Speaker 2>before I graduated from high school, he further writes, it
<v Speaker 2>was this, I did want to die a Port Tampa death. Mmm.
<v Speaker 2>She'd ask Vic that when you went to his service,
<v Speaker 2>did you feel like it? Ultimately he died of Port Tampa.
<v Speaker 2>The whole idea of staying in Port Tampa, your whole
<v Speaker 2>life working construction, working on the docks, roasting in the
<v Speaker 2>sun all day until they put you in a grave,
<v Speaker 2>just didn't appeal to me. And so he moves forward.
<v Speaker 2>We mentioned the band Magic, on which she played bass
<v Speaker 2>through to like seventy three. A sudden, Halt's story begins
<v Speaker 2>to intersect with that of a musician who was on
<v Speaker 2>television a lot back in those days. Her name was
<v Speaker 2>Genie Conroy. I don't know if you've ever heard of
<v Speaker 2>this woman before. Nope, But what Hogan is going to
<v Speaker 2>the Christian youth rant. He remembers being introduced to the
<v Speaker 2>Genie Conroy Show. She was like a local celebrity who
<v Speaker 2>had a summer replacement TV show, he writes on the air,
<v Speaker 2>and one of the ways she capitalized in her name
<v Speaker 2>recognition was to put together a fourteen piece show band
<v Speaker 2>and play at dinner clubs. They needed a bass player,
<v Speaker 2>and by that time I'd switched over to playing fretless
<v Speaker 2>bass more than guitar. The old ego had in my
<v Speaker 2>first band slipped away and I found that act. She
<v Speaker 2>has an al show I know called Genie. Well the
<v Speaker 2>specific album I'm talking about, Genie Conroy sings Christmas at
<v Speaker 2>Waterville Valley, New Hampshire from I'm almost positive she's from
<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire. She Wow. There are clips out there and
<v Speaker 2>I'll play some. It isn't of this exact moment, but
<v Speaker 2>there are clips out there of her televised she kind
<v Speaker 2>of did like Genie sings at Plymouth, Massachusetts. Sure, she's
<v Speaker 2>definitely New England and she's got people in some of
<v Speaker 2>these television scenes who have strong Boston accents. Wow. And
<v Speaker 2>I noticed it right away. But apparently she was a
<v Speaker 2>big deal in Tampa and on Tampa television and playing
<v Speaker 2>in Tampa clubs. It's kind of like, you know, like
<v Speaker 2>around Christmas time, there'll be like a half hour special
<v Speaker 2>if someone just singing the hit right, the hits, you know,
<v Speaker 2>right right, ye oh yeah, that's what I know. Those
<v Speaker 2>that those are the glory days, and they were that
<v Speaker 2>that was acceptable entertainment that people would, you know, eat
<v Speaker 2>a TV dinner and watch his Innocent enough time not
<v Speaker 2>only not only acceptable, but that it was it was
<v Speaker 2>it was anticipating, It's what was expected of television. It's like,
<v Speaker 2>this is great, Like look at this woman, she's singing
<v Speaker 2>ten songs for us, and it's right, it's enough, and
<v Speaker 2>we're able to do it in the comfort of our
<v Speaker 2>own home. I know that, right. The novelty of being
<v Speaker 2>able to do that without having to go to the
<v Speaker 2>concert hall was still so very much alive that it
<v Speaker 2>was like, it was great, it was a treat. It's
<v Speaker 2>you know, but that on TV now people are like, WHOA,
<v Speaker 2>why would I watch that? I know, I know it's
<v Speaker 2>it's I mean again, I I I we've we've we've
<v Speaker 2>talked about it a lot. How you know, we're still
<v Speaker 2>at the I'm still trying to grapple with the idea
<v Speaker 2>when I first even thought of it, the idea that
<v Speaker 2>we're still at the infancy stage of screen entertainment. You know,
<v Speaker 2>that it's only been around for one hundred years, that
<v Speaker 2>people are the the idea, the feeling of of of
<v Speaker 2>or the understanding of like that that very brief period,
<v Speaker 2>that very very brief period of time where it was
<v Speaker 2>a novelty too to not have to go to a concert,
<v Speaker 2>to like to feel like that was a that was
<v Speaker 2>a thing to do, to stay home and watch this show.
<v Speaker 2>Is it's gonna be so far forgotten in a hundred years,
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be it's gonna be such like a blink
<v Speaker 2>in the history of television and screen entertainment. It's like
<v Speaker 2>the tiniest, the tiniest blaze in two generations, our kids kids.
<v Speaker 2>It's not gonna matter. Like that's the thing, Like, at
<v Speaker 2>some point it's not going to matter. And that's the
<v Speaker 2>sad part is that at some point it's just not
<v Speaker 2>going to be an important part of the history of
<v Speaker 2>screen entertainment. Nobody's going to remember appointments, no one's going
<v Speaker 2>to care, you know, because it just didn't last long enough.
<v Speaker 2>Just the same thing as the local celect brities, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like a chili billy cardilly. You know, it's just like
<v Speaker 2>that era is just in the grand scheme of it all.
<v Speaker 2>It's not gonna matter in the history of it all. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you know, in two hundred years, no one's gonna like
<v Speaker 2>who cares? And yet it's probably some of the most
<v Speaker 2>important shit we're already seeing it. It doesn't it doesn't
<v Speaker 2>even register that people would care about the big screen
<v Speaker 2>as much as the small screen. People don't even get
<v Speaker 2>that by the big screen, No, don't me in a
<v Speaker 2>movie theater. I mean the television in your house. They
<v Speaker 2>don't get it. They don't get why that would be
<v Speaker 2>something that you built your day around watching something on.
<v Speaker 2>That thing would kind of be something that the culture
<v Speaker 2>anchored to and look forward to and felt like was
<v Speaker 2>a luxury. Now it's like, why would I watch I'll
<v Speaker 2>watch it on this whenever I want, And I won't
<v Speaker 2>watch it because I make a point to watch it.
<v Speaker 2>I won't make it because I won't watch it because
<v Speaker 2>this is one I watch it. I'll watch it because
<v Speaker 2>the algorithm showed it to me at at this given time.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm opening I'm opening TikTok. I'm opening YouTube,
<v Speaker 2>I'm opening snapchat, whatever the case may be, so that
<v Speaker 2>it can tell me what to watch, not because I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to it with intentionality, right right right, Even the
<v Speaker 2>Netflix recommendation engine and the Amazon Prime recommendation it's all
<v Speaker 2>tell me what to watch. I've got tent, I've got
<v Speaker 2>two hours. I don't have two hours that I set
<v Speaker 2>aside so I could do this. It still exists in sports,
<v Speaker 2>but I'm talking about generalized entertainment like this. It just
<v Speaker 2>and now we just there's right, I didn't make time
<v Speaker 2>for television. I just have time. Thumbs down, right, thumbs down.
<v Speaker 2>Inferior experience leads to the ripping of the social fabric. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>we had it. We had it, and we convinced ourselves
<v Speaker 2>that on demand was better, and we were all wrong
<v Speaker 2>for a for a bl blip for exactly and to
<v Speaker 2>your point, in two generations, no one's even gonna remember
<v Speaker 2>that short period of time where we can describe this feeling. No,
<v Speaker 2>but it's like no one's no one's even going to
<v Speaker 2>include it in the history of insignificant. It's that it's
<v Speaker 2>going to be that insignificant. Like we we still don't
<v Speaker 2>a time where you know, there are people who live
<v Speaker 2>through it and so we can remember it. But like
<v Speaker 2>our generation, that's it. The Gooney generation were the last ones.
<v Speaker 2>No serious fine for you to kind of understand what
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the idea of the of like the
<v Speaker 2>local celebrity or this this kind of the importance of
<v Speaker 2>of like a Christmas show being a novelty. You know,
<v Speaker 2>we're it, we're it. After that, it's gone so true,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just it's dead and then and then
<v Speaker 2>when we when we all die, then it's then again.
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's going to be a race from the
<v Speaker 2>history books. No one's going to give us you because
<v Speaker 2>it didn't matter. It was too small of a time.
<v Speaker 2>It'll it'll it's too small. It'll be one of just
<v Speaker 2>many things that you can be a kind of sure
<v Speaker 2>of because YouTube has it all, but that it'll it'll
<v Speaker 2>be something you know about and it's your little hobby
<v Speaker 2>and obsession. It's not the you're never but you're never
<v Speaker 2>gonna understand it because I understand it right, and it
<v Speaker 2>never won't be. It's it's like I look at this
<v Speaker 2>generation now, these kids in it, It's like they don't
<v Speaker 2>you know, every generation seems to want to recapture the
<v Speaker 2>style of the generation before it and reconstitute. Right, the
<v Speaker 2>two thousands kids got into the nineties, the nineties kids
<v Speaker 2>got into the eighties, eighties, seventies, et cetera. But then
<v Speaker 2>what started to happen around like the twenty ten and
<v Speaker 2>the twenties was YouTube came out, and as everyone was
<v Speaker 2>able to look at what it used to be like
<v Speaker 2>to watch television at that time, to see commercials of
<v Speaker 2>that time, to see people dressing up and making music
<v Speaker 2>in those times, is they're able to now be nostalgic
<v Speaker 2>for any number of decades. So this this generation was
<v Speaker 2>dressed like the fifties. And I'm going to interrupt you
<v Speaker 2>for four and a second because you know what, I
<v Speaker 2>got into a weird rabbit hole the other day, And
<v Speaker 2>actually it's funny. I'm still looking for this one particular
<v Speaker 2>commercial I got into. I fell down the rabbit hole
<v Speaker 2>of personal injury law. Oh those are from the nineties,
<v Speaker 2>great from the nineties, and I'm still trying to find
<v Speaker 2>one that I cannot find. There's probably more local than
<v Speaker 2>you fucking find it, I know, I know, like I
<v Speaker 2>keep looking for it, and it's the it's the uh
<v Speaker 2>uh uh. It was for Fine Stegning, for Lizzie. Sure,
<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget it, but it was this. It was
<v Speaker 2>this redhaired guy with curly hair and a mustache, and
<v Speaker 2>he'd walk from the shadows with some kind of weird
<v Speaker 2>thing and he like kept walking towards you and and
<v Speaker 2>uh uh, it's as easy as picking up the phone.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>And he took the phone up and he goes, you
<v Speaker 2>can count on it, you know. So it ends and
<v Speaker 2>it's like I can't find that commercial. I cannot find
<v Speaker 2>that commercial anywhere. And it drives me crazy because I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>I want, I can remember that commercial so badly, and
<v Speaker 2>I know, and I know having done I mean, honestly,
<v Speaker 2>I learned more about it doing cinemat than anywhere else.
<v Speaker 2>The idea that they would hire these guys to just
<v Speaker 2>have these generic commercials that actually say nothing about the
<v Speaker 2>actual law firm until they put the graphic out it.
<v Speaker 2>They don't mention it. They're just generic personal injury law commercials.
<v Speaker 2>And I am fast stated by that, and they and
<v Speaker 2>I just fell on this rabbit hole, just like my god,
<v Speaker 2>like watching all the like Jim sockle Off and all
<v Speaker 2>these fucking I mean his was specific because he was
<v Speaker 2>from the area, but it was just like oh man,
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, yeah. It was this time when they allowed
<v Speaker 2>law services to be advertised in television, but lawyers hadn't
<v Speaker 2>come up with the expectation of being able to perform
<v Speaker 2>their own television ads. Like car dealers and these other industries,
<v Speaker 2>furniture salesmen, they know if they're going to be successful,
<v Speaker 2>they have to train themselves to be camera friendly because
<v Speaker 2>they've got to do their own ads and become personalities
<v Speaker 2>that are warmly received and understood in their markets. Lawyers,
<v Speaker 2>once television advertising was allowed for their stuff, much like
<v Speaker 2>prescription drugs, it's like, well, we've got to use b
<v Speaker 2>roll like we have. We don't our lawyers don't necessarily
<v Speaker 2>know how to cut a commercial. But now, like Morgan
<v Speaker 2>and Morgan, the whole, the whole enterprise is understanding advertising,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and getting your your face out there nationally
<v Speaker 2>on billboards and on television. But yeah, there was that
<v Speaker 2>time where a lot of the personal entry firm commercials
<v Speaker 2>where the in Tampa's they were in Seattle as they
<v Speaker 2>were in California, except at the end when the voiceover
<v Speaker 2>guy would mention a local firm and flash a local
<v Speaker 2>telephone number on your screen. And to your point, like
<v Speaker 2>and to my point, we're now in a place in
<v Speaker 2>media and technology where a kid who was born two
<v Speaker 2>years ago, well a kid who was born fifteen years ago,
<v Speaker 2>could go on YouTube and spend enough time to recreate
<v Speaker 2>the exact same feeling we remember having. Now, let me
<v Speaker 2>put it this way, not recreate the feeling that that
<v Speaker 2>was inurately put it, Not recreate the feeling, but see
<v Speaker 2>what we saw, right, every other generation had to vaguely
<v Speaker 2>remember what it was we saw, and those were our
<v Speaker 2>cultural touch points. We get together with people and say, hey,
<v Speaker 2>you grew up in this area. Remember these commercials, remember
<v Speaker 2>this jingle. But it wasn't something we could ever hope
<v Speaker 2>to find again. It's not something we could ever pull
<v Speaker 2>up and remember, Oh, actually this is the exact song.
<v Speaker 2>Listen to the no. But now that that's there, right right,
<v Speaker 2>every generation just going to pick choose which decade they
<v Speaker 2>want to be nostalgic for, which decade they want to
<v Speaker 2>dress like, which decade they want their music to sound like.
<v Speaker 2>And so what we get is this huge mishmash. I
<v Speaker 2>saw it on the VMAs. This year, which I always
<v Speaker 2>try to watch to get to stay up to date
<v Speaker 2>on like what what's like pop and it's it is.
<v Speaker 2>It's like there was a whole commercial I think it
<v Speaker 2>was for Burger King or was it Taco Bell or something.
<v Speaker 2>It was like because all these commercials are trying to
<v Speaker 2>play like Jen Alpha and they're like, we know that
<v Speaker 2>you sometimes you want a seventies vibe, sometimes you want
<v Speaker 2>it in nineties vibe. Wow. Yeah, And it's like, this
<v Speaker 2>is so weird that like these generations now have sixty
<v Speaker 2>years to pick from one of the only one we
<v Speaker 2>could be nostalgic for was the one that we got
<v Speaker 2>a taste of in the recesses of our memory well
<v Speaker 2>and mat and then also you know, because of our parents, right,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we stuff laying around a bit because yeah, exactly,
<v Speaker 2>but not you know now you can now it's everything's
<v Speaker 2>lying around, you know, and you can probably find home
<v Speaker 2>videos that to pick the exact scenes we remembered ly exactly.
<v Speaker 2>I just found the commercial. I can't believe it, trying
<v Speaker 2>to find that. I've had hours from the commercial and
<v Speaker 2>then I just fucking found I'm gonna send it to
<v Speaker 2>you because it's just like it just This commercial is
<v Speaker 2>just fucking I saw this every fucking day when I
<v Speaker 2>was a kid. I remember that, guy, Yeah, I did
<v Speaker 2>remember that guy. Chances are you don't need an attorney
<v Speaker 2>right now, but what if you suddenly do need wind?
<v Speaker 2>Do need? What if you need something? Here? You bet
<v Speaker 2>an accident, You've been in an accident, I'm a job,
<v Speaker 2>are in your car. That's when you need to know
<v Speaker 2>you can count on someone someone do settle things for
<v Speaker 2>you properly, fairly. How do you find that someone? It's
<v Speaker 2>easy as picking up the phone. You can count on
<v Speaker 2>its fucking go if you're in Jared called it loves
<v Speaker 2>is a fine signing for Lizzie. See we just did it.
<v Speaker 2>We just did exactly so someone who's twelve could have
<v Speaker 2>done what you just did. Yeah, right, and and remember
<v Speaker 2>the commercial just as much as you do. It's but
<v Speaker 2>not nearly, but again, not have any sort of anection
<v Speaker 2>to it like this. This, I just this commercial was
<v Speaker 2>on the air all the time when I was a kid,
<v Speaker 2>and now there's all the time that now there are
<v Speaker 2>no commercials that are on the air all the time
<v Speaker 2>because you get a different ad, and you get a
<v Speaker 2>different ad, and you get a different ad based on
<v Speaker 2>your demographics. Dude, I'm watching the watching peacock when we
<v Speaker 2>watch the fucking Live you know, or the main of
<v Speaker 2>Saturday's main event, I guess really is what they do that,
<v Speaker 2>but still like what it's it's it's it's ridiculous, ridiculous,
<v Speaker 2>so bizarre. So Genie Conroy is one of these TV singers, okay,
<v Speaker 2>that we're talking about, and at one point she starts
<v Speaker 2>touring around the tamp area needed a bass player. Terry
<v Speaker 2>gets involved and this is an actual bona fide television
<v Speaker 2>production that he's involved in for the first time, you
<v Speaker 2>could say Terry Bullay is on a television set. Her
<v Speaker 2>band had a horn section. He remembers that played all
<v Speaker 2>the tower power stuff. We also played themes from Oklahoma
<v Speaker 2>and this fluffed up music for the senior crowd. Terry writes,
<v Speaker 2>I just did it because it was good money. We
<v Speaker 2>got paid big block bucks to play that stuff. So
<v Speaker 2>here's a taste of of the aforementioned Jennie Conroy. Hi,
<v Speaker 2>it's Jennie. The whole cast is on the way to
<v Speaker 2>South Seast plantation.
<v Speaker 5>Captain is to stay around for a lot of fun.
<v Speaker 10>The Genie Conroy Show always brought to the Bible. People
<v Speaker 10>are purely supreme, where some are fun bigins with Greek folks.
<v Speaker 10>Purity Supreme.
<v Speaker 2>Hope you enjoined the Night's family specialty and they wish purity.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my God, hopes you enjoy tonight Purity Supreme. What
<v Speaker 2>do you know about it? Oh dude, I haven't thought
<v Speaker 2>about fucking Purity Supreme in in decades. I don't know it.
<v Speaker 2>Tell me what it is. It was just a market
<v Speaker 2>that that, yeah, I used to I used to know
<v Speaker 2>it because my my aunt, my aunt Martha, it was nearby,
<v Speaker 2>uh you know where she lived in Mathuleen. There was one.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was in Salem. I think it was
<v Speaker 2>one in Salem, Massachuset Salem, New Hampshire on sale Jesus Salem,
<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire, which is like ten minutes away from Mathullen.
<v Speaker 2>And if I was staying, whether I would go to
<v Speaker 2>Purity of Supreme and get whatever we needed whatever she
<v Speaker 2>could take the bolets out of New Hampshire. But yeah, right,
<v Speaker 2>Hampshire will follow. Damn right, Holy shit, that's it. These
<v Speaker 2>companies would sponsor an evening for the family on television. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>they were, they were, They were acquired by Stopping Shop
<v Speaker 2>in ninety five. Oh there he go. Okay, so that's
<v Speaker 2>what happened. So they became Stopping Shop rolled up at Yeah, brother,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's fucking great. Just that the whole idea
<v Speaker 2>of that being the sh and that people would joyfully
<v Speaker 2>tune in to music that sounded like that, that they
<v Speaker 2>were so not full of their own shit that like
<v Speaker 2>that n A. Lloyd almost cheesy, joyful music or something
<v Speaker 2>people are like, I enjoy this. They weren't afraid to
<v Speaker 2>enjoy something like that, you know. Yep. God, So that's
<v Speaker 2>that's an entree for Hogan. Another thing that should exist
<v Speaker 2>on tape somewhere is him playing on the set of
<v Speaker 2>the Genie Conroy show that no one seems to have,
<v Speaker 2>although as you just heard, samples of the show do
<v Speaker 2>survive on YouTube. Here's an article from the Tampa Times
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy three describing the whole television production element
<v Speaker 2>to what Genie Conroy was doing. The White Sandy Beach
<v Speaker 2>of Tampa Bay is providing the background for two local
<v Speaker 2>television shows hoping for national syndication this fall. Sun Coast
<v Speaker 2>Productions Incorporated has chosen Apollo Beach as its home base
<v Speaker 2>and primary taping side of a weekly family entertainment show
<v Speaker 2>which hel Cogan would go to star in in the eighties,
<v Speaker 2>and a morning astrology talk show. The new company is
<v Speaker 2>using Bay Area people and producing the show and its casting.
<v Speaker 2>John Conroy's executive producer and president of Sun Coast Productions.
<v Speaker 2>Already being produced is The Genie Conroy Show, a thirty
<v Speaker 2>minute musical variety show that will feature music from modern
<v Speaker 2>rock to the golden melodies of the twenties and thirties.
<v Speaker 2>According to Conroy, featured in the show with Missus Conroy,
<v Speaker 2>wife of the executive producer, That's Always the Way will
<v Speaker 2>be the Sunshine Singers, a group of area youngsters in
<v Speaker 2>the three to eleven years old category, and Magic, a
<v Speaker 2>three member rock group from Davis Islands. The set is
<v Speaker 2>an improvised section of beach on the south side of
<v Speaker 2>Apollo Beach. The land was donated by Franderson product Properties,
<v Speaker 2>developers of Apollo Beach. Conroy's at A building will be
<v Speaker 2>added to the area for base operations in about two
<v Speaker 2>weeks and that within one year more than one hundred
<v Speaker 2>persons will be employed there in production, office and stage positions.
<v Speaker 2>Presently there are more than forty persons with the company.
<v Speaker 2>The Genie Conroy Show has been sold to more than
<v Speaker 2>twenty two stations in Florida, and Conroy said negotiations are
<v Speaker 2>underway with National Television Networks for a spot on nationwide
<v Speaker 2>television next fall. Apparently they pulled this off because there's
<v Speaker 2>no way that Purity Supreme, a New England supermarket chain,
<v Speaker 2>is the presenting sponsor of the Florida version of this show. No,
<v Speaker 2>not at all, Not at all, because they weren't Why
<v Speaker 2>would they be, I mean, they're not there. They were
<v Speaker 2>only in New England and the Massachusetts New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut.
<v Speaker 2>According to the Wikipedia, Genie Conroy, star of the Variety Show,
<v Speaker 2>studied music and drama at Barry College in Miami Shores
<v Speaker 2>and received her master's degree in music from Miami University.
<v Speaker 2>She has sung with the Miami Opera and Symphony and
<v Speaker 2>has appeared in productions by Rogers and Hammerstein, in addition
<v Speaker 2>to a number of movies. All three members of Magic
<v Speaker 2>are students at the University of South Florida and have
<v Speaker 2>been playing for dances and shows in the Tampa area
<v Speaker 2>for almost seven years. Do you know, wait you say
<v Speaker 2>she was in movies. Genie Comra was in movies. It
<v Speaker 2>says that she appeared in productions by Rogers and Hammerstein
<v Speaker 2>in addition to a number of movies. Yes, this may
<v Speaker 2>be a way to cinemat the fuck out of the
<v Speaker 2>Who knows. I'm wondering, like, you know, like does she
<v Speaker 2>count because she was worked with hul Kokeey. I'm about
<v Speaker 2>to say what I think is Yes, I absolutely think so.
<v Speaker 2>I think she qualifies for this very reason because, as
<v Speaker 2>the next paragraph states, Mark Cure is the drummer, Terry
<v Speaker 2>Bowley plays the bass guitar, and David White plays all
<v Speaker 2>keyboard instruments and as the lead singer. A pilot version
<v Speaker 2>of the Genie Conroy Show was aired Christmas Eve in
<v Speaker 2>the Bay Area last year on w FLA TV Channel eight.
<v Speaker 2>A premier showing is scheduled from a twenty seventh, but
<v Speaker 2>the exact time and place have not been determined yet.
<v Speaker 2>Conroy said the second show, Teresa's Garden, is to be
<v Speaker 2>started in about three weeks, and Conroy said it will
<v Speaker 2>be the first daily talk show dealing strictly with astrology
<v Speaker 2>ever produced. Missus Teresa Maddox Apollo Beach Resident is the
<v Speaker 2>star of the show. She is the owner of the
<v Speaker 2>Maddox Private Schools and Brandon and Apollo beach Y had
<v Speaker 2>that one, and I'm sure didn't go quite as far
<v Speaker 2>as the Genie Conroy show, but there you go. The
<v Speaker 2>Hulkster kind of stumbles into something that's television adjacent, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he's closely studying the economics of syndicate a television. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. Let's know all about how does it work? Jenny?
<v Speaker 2>Like a moment here, what do you what do you
<v Speaker 2>get for syndication? Dude? What's going on? Brother? Talk to
<v Speaker 2>me about money? How can I get your money? Brother?
<v Speaker 2>How can I how can I understand what's flowing through
<v Speaker 2>this place? Like in my in my rightful percentage of it? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I just want to understand how you know the kind
<v Speaker 2>of the the cash flow, dude, Like, what's what's the
<v Speaker 2>dizz brother? What's the dis behind Matt geene izy geene
<v Speaker 2>i Isy? Are you not geneuzy because an Roy? Cause
<v Speaker 2>Arni Jeannie? Brother? Are you are you not willing to
<v Speaker 2>tell me the budget of the show? Like is this
<v Speaker 2>like are you trying to withhold you? Brother? I'm just
<v Speaker 2>kind of just curious, dude, are you kind of curse
<v Speaker 2>to me that I probably before been agree to do
<v Speaker 2>the show, And now I'm getting vibes that like you
<v Speaker 2>don't really want to hear these questions. It's all of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, it's like, you know, kind of like you know, well,
<v Speaker 2>it's like a hide the ball here. But one thing
<v Speaker 2>I understand about me, you know, even though I'm a
<v Speaker 2>you know, hippie musician or whatever, brother, I'm a numbers guy.
<v Speaker 2>I'm a math guy. I'm also a legal connoisseurer. I'm
<v Speaker 2>good at counting things, especially other people's money, brother, And
<v Speaker 2>I'm counting your money in my head right now and
<v Speaker 2>it's not penciling now to Terry boy, I'm telling you know,
<v Speaker 2>I'm also a very good accounting of three right, exactly right.
<v Speaker 2>And I know i'm making for shoot for damn sure
<v Speaker 2>that my shoulders wrong. And I don't think you want
<v Speaker 2>to know much about that, Genie, So let's put that aside.
<v Speaker 2>So what I want to know, dude, but I don't understand, brother,
<v Speaker 2>is kind of like I want to I want to
<v Speaker 2>kind of dial exactly exactly. Finally somebody said it. Finally
<v Speaker 2>someone's gonna stand up for the members of magic, because like, brother,
<v Speaker 2>you're kind of like keeping the secret as the how
<v Speaker 2>much money is being spent? And then I'm warning brother,
<v Speaker 2>thirty music and how much money is spent? How do
<v Speaker 2>I know how much money I'm taking in? You know,
<v Speaker 2>I just want to make things square. You know, it
<v Speaker 2>is a reasonable question. I think at this point we've
<v Speaker 2>developed enough of a working relationship that I'm within my
<v Speaker 2>rights to ask about the finances. Brother, I do believe.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's only fair that I get
<v Speaker 2>a certain percentage of whatever. Like are you hiding all
<v Speaker 2>of you? Are you hiding? Are you? Are you hiding
<v Speaker 2>the ball? Like I you know, Brother, I'm I'm I'm
<v Speaker 2>tired of playing skin the chicken. We all know what.
<v Speaker 2>We all know what that euphemism I just invented means.
<v Speaker 2>You just you just caused a big problem that will
<v Speaker 2>derail this whole thing. Brother, I'm tired of play to
<v Speaker 2>give the chicken. Dude, I'm tired of playing you know,
<v Speaker 2>hose the hose the potato. All right, fine, you want it.
<v Speaker 2>We were playing bury the receipt, dude, small smother the subtotal? Dude?
<v Speaker 2>Are we camouflaging the credit card? Brother. Are we plucking
<v Speaker 2>the flamingo? Dude? I mean we milk, milking the cactus,
<v Speaker 2>buttering the walrus? Iron the are we? Brother? Are we
<v Speaker 2>playing paint the window, dust the volcano? Brother? I mean,
<v Speaker 2>what's going on here? Are we trying to reset the sundial? Dude?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, brother, we kind of dial the sun dial
<v Speaker 2>in dude. Brother, all right, dude, I I just I
<v Speaker 2>just want to. I just want to. I just want
<v Speaker 2>to get a straight We're trying to iron the moonlight here, dude.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to tune the jellyfish, wax the onion. Brother,
<v Speaker 2>I mean these are we're gonna We're trying to trying to,
<v Speaker 2>you know, spind the wheel on the grass.
<v Speaker 1>M.
<v Speaker 2>Polish the tumbleweed. I mean we're talking, brother, We're trying
<v Speaker 2>to like mail the twig. And with that show found
<v Speaker 2>itself a new house band. Because this guy is not
<v Speaker 2>only accusing me of hiding money from him, which he
<v Speaker 2>has no right to, he is absolutely bombarding me with
<v Speaker 2>what appears to be speaking in tongues as he tries
<v Speaker 2>to find every euphemism possible for not paying him what
<v Speaker 2>he's owed. And if I'm being frank, he's freaking me
<v Speaker 2>the funk out and he's looking at her through those
<v Speaker 2>tinted air air My god. Oh yeah. Ators yeah, the aviators.
<v Speaker 2>But they you know, they go from like up top
<v Speaker 2>there they're like something less, but on the bottom the
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, they fade and it looks like
<v Speaker 2>a like a bourbon has been has been gently massaged
<v Speaker 2>into the lad good yep, oh Jesus Christ. So he
<v Speaker 2>does a stint as well at Hillsbury Community College. He writes,
<v Speaker 2>When I graduated from Robinson High School in nineteen seventy one,
<v Speaker 2>I moved out to North Tampa and enrolled at Hllsborough
<v Speaker 2>Community College. I was the first bolet to ever go
<v Speaker 2>to college, which was a big deal, even though it
<v Speaker 2>was only a two year school. I picked up a
<v Speaker 2>liberal arts degree, so I stand correct that he did
<v Speaker 2>actually get a degree in one of the two schools
<v Speaker 2>he went to. He got a liberal arts degree, which
<v Speaker 2>basically meant, he writes, I avoided making any kind of
<v Speaker 2>a decision about what I was going to do with
<v Speaker 2>my wife. From there, I went to the University of
<v Speaker 2>South Florida and majored in business with a minor in music,
<v Speaker 2>while still playing gigs on the weekends. Business got to
<v Speaker 2>be too hard, so I switched to a major mass
<v Speaker 2>communications but that didn't stick either. I probably quit four
<v Speaker 2>or five times to travel around with these different rock
<v Speaker 2>and roll bands until I finally just didn't go back.
<v Speaker 2>So I never received a real degree of any kind.
<v Speaker 2>And consider his a liberal arts degree real degree. So,
<v Speaker 2>I mean that seems weird, but Okay, he's floundering. He's
<v Speaker 2>moving around. He's trying to find his place in the world.
<v Speaker 2>He's trying to straddle that line between the sort of
<v Speaker 2>blue collar life that Tampa allowed him and this open
<v Speaker 2>ended kind of mix of music and showmanship and business
<v Speaker 2>and marketing. He's he's basically going to become a pro wrestler.
<v Speaker 2>What I'm trying to say. Yeah, So in seventy four,
<v Speaker 2>he writes Anthony Barcello, one of the lead singers in
<v Speaker 2>one of the seven or eight bands I was in,
<v Speaker 2>helped me out. His dad boss was in the laborers union.
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, so it's time to get a little too
<v Speaker 2>close to the real workers out there. Terry Bulay is
<v Speaker 2>going to dip his toe into that world. He tried
<v Speaker 2>to avoid that Tampa Bacon in the Sun. Work with
<v Speaker 2>your hands earn a decent living lifestyle. So let's go
<v Speaker 2>to his book, his second book here, and have you
<v Speaker 2>conveyed to the people how this all went for Terry
<v Speaker 2>is he struggles to find his identity. Anthony Barcelo, you
<v Speaker 2>want to lead singers in one of the seven or
<v Speaker 2>eight bands I was in? I don't know, it's just
<v Speaker 2>the way he says that he knows it. He knows.
<v Speaker 2>It got to a point where he was just doing
<v Speaker 2>it because he was making money. Like he didn't you
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, It didn't matter what it was
<v Speaker 2>called or anything like that. Yeah, you know, it helped
<v Speaker 2>me out. His dad was in the labors Union, and
<v Speaker 2>he got my name in the books. Every time I
<v Speaker 2>I'd get sick and sick of a band. But the
<v Speaker 2>guys were a bitching and complaining, I'd go, I'd go
<v Speaker 2>back and put my name on those books as a
<v Speaker 2>way to change gears and make money at the first.
<v Speaker 2>At first, they sent me out on construction jobs or
<v Speaker 2>poor and concrete. I can picture them in that fucking
<v Speaker 2>hard hat video. I know I thought the same thing.
<v Speaker 2>Ye the pile driver, it's pile driver. Yeah, yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 2>college construction jobs or poor in concrete or help intellectual worker.
<v Speaker 2>They one day they send me out to the docks
<v Speaker 2>to help load and unload the ships. I took to
<v Speaker 2>that real quick. I was good at anything to do
<v Speaker 2>with math. It is there, it is how many how
<v Speaker 2>many fucking times does he say that? How many fucking
<v Speaker 2>times does he does? He say that in in in
<v Speaker 2>his books. I know constantly and figuring out how to
<v Speaker 2>load those ships the right way was all about math
<v Speaker 2>in balance. It was important too if you got a
<v Speaker 2>big ship going to Singapore or Tokyo, know that ship
<v Speaker 2>wasn't that your ship wasn't loaded correctly. You could sink
<v Speaker 2>it no joke. And they threw me down on the
<v Speaker 2>hole and I worked real hard to the point where
<v Speaker 2>they invited me to join the long Shoresman Union long
<v Speaker 2>Shoreman's Union. I was the first white guy ever to
<v Speaker 2>get into the long Shoreman's Union. And that's confirmed by
<v Speaker 2>Vic Pettitt. I thought that was a tall tale, and
<v Speaker 2>he's like trying to, you know, make himself seem like
<v Speaker 2>the fish out of water. But Vic said that, and
<v Speaker 2>he said it's true, not the first, but that there
<v Speaker 2>was it was mostly black folks working in that job. Interesting, okay,
<v Speaker 2>and the more I work, the better. I got to
<v Speaker 2>figure out how to load these ships with these big
<v Speaker 2>containers meat and fertilizer or whatever the product of the
<v Speaker 2>day was. What's the product of the day? Brother? What
<v Speaker 2>we got? Dude? What's the product? Brother? What do we?
<v Speaker 3>Uh?
<v Speaker 2>You know, what are we shipping out? We meet fertilizer?
<v Speaker 2>You know, just random ship? My ship, take hulk Hogan ship.
<v Speaker 10>Brother.
<v Speaker 2>All right, we're opening the docks. Boys, come on in.
<v Speaker 2>I got your assignments here. Well, brother, what's what's new
<v Speaker 2>import today? Dude? What's the product? That's cocaine? Hope? What else?
<v Speaker 2>Two things? It's Tampa. Product of the day, dude, what's
<v Speaker 2>the product of the day? He said. He says it like,
<v Speaker 2>I'm so sick of you lying to me. What's the
<v Speaker 2>product of the day? What? What are you gonna pretend
<v Speaker 2>in those shipping containers instead of drugs and human beings?
<v Speaker 2>I know what's going on, brother, I get where dude.
<v Speaker 2>I get the human trafficking thing going on? Brother, So
<v Speaker 2>why don't we just fucking say the product of the
<v Speaker 2>day is humans? I just fucking spell it out, brother.
<v Speaker 2>They're bringing in the we think I am. They're bringing
<v Speaker 2>in the bananas from Honduras. Again, we know what that means,
<v Speaker 2>packed like a sardine can. Brother, Oh god, I'm just
<v Speaker 2>I'd always do just the right way. So they kept
<v Speaker 2>me on these twelve the fotun hour shifts for about
<v Speaker 2>six months until I was so good that they invited
<v Speaker 2>me to join this this this Steve Adoors, Steve Dor. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's like Steve the Boss. Okay, Steve Doors Union. You
<v Speaker 2>know that was a really big deal. Steve Doors were
<v Speaker 2>the guys on the deck of the ship telling everybody
<v Speaker 2>where to put the load. He did the same thing
<v Speaker 2>with Buba. Yeah, rather Clem was the one that told
<v Speaker 2>him to put the she was so she was the
<v Speaker 2>Steve Doors. Okay. So there I was a big man
<v Speaker 2>in charge up on deck, roasting in the hot sun.
<v Speaker 2>Brother as So you know why that's so poetic, Like,
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to go back too far in history
<v Speaker 2>to put yourself into time where being tan was not
<v Speaker 2>a symbol of luxury or wealth or good health. It
<v Speaker 2>was a sign that you were a peasant and your
<v Speaker 2>ass couldn't get out of the sun because you had
<v Speaker 2>to work with your hands and sweat and die. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>out there in the heat, and if you didn't have
<v Speaker 2>a tan, that meant you were upper crust, you were indoors,
<v Speaker 2>you were cool and comfortable, and you didn't have to
<v Speaker 2>labor like that flipping around. And here's Terry on both
<v Speaker 2>sides of that. For one, he's baking the sun, which
<v Speaker 2>is a sign that he's working some job that but
<v Speaker 2>he also has to be tan to be a superstar. Yep, yep.
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan is a referendum on the history of tanning
<v Speaker 2>in America. He's like, he's like he's the like the
<v Speaker 2>measuring stick of that. You know, you can follow back
<v Speaker 2>when it was. It was when he was a peasant
<v Speaker 2>and versus when he was a super star, and both
<v Speaker 2>require you to be tanned. But do your tan signify
<v Speaker 2>something completely different on both sides. But he was an
<v Speaker 2>expert in tanning. I forget who it was when he passed.
<v Speaker 2>Was doing you know, recollections on like why he was
<v Speaker 2>such a big deal, and I kind of recall it
<v Speaker 2>as being someone who he wasn't really great friends with,
<v Speaker 2>but he gave him credit. The guy was always tanned.
<v Speaker 2>To him. That was like a sign of professionalism, Like
<v Speaker 2>it was a sign that like the guy was so
<v Speaker 2>committed to the gimmick that he knew that he couldn't
<v Speaker 2>even leave the house and be Hulkogan unless he was
<v Speaker 2>super tan. And that is such a that's so American,
<v Speaker 2>that idea, you know, yeah, totally that that being tan
<v Speaker 2>means you're glamorous, you know, because it's like I think
<v Speaker 2>Americans look at that and they see somebody who is
<v Speaker 2>lounging at the beach all day, not someone who can't
<v Speaker 2>get out of the sun because that's the job they're
<v Speaker 2>stuck with kind of thing. Well, then then it becomes
<v Speaker 2>then someone who someone who's in the job all day.
<v Speaker 2>If you have a farmer's tan, then we know where
<v Speaker 2>you're at. Right. If you call it a farmer's tan, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's you know, if you've got your arms are tanned,
<v Speaker 2>but your fucking body is pasty white, then well, okay,
<v Speaker 2>so you're not really you're not making or someone you
<v Speaker 2>can make a good point because he's in a right
<v Speaker 2>because if you enter a world where you walk around
<v Speaker 2>in public without your shirt on, that's not something that
<v Speaker 2>people would have had the luxury of seeing to call
<v Speaker 2>you a peasant or not. They just made the judgment
<v Speaker 2>based on your face, your neck your arms. You know
<v Speaker 2>there would be no reason to see you walking around
<v Speaker 2>without a shirt on. Yep, yep. But these guys are
<v Speaker 2>purposely trying to tan every last into their body because
<v Speaker 2>it sells, and they're right, and they're right, fucking crazy
<v Speaker 2>roast in the hot sun. Body just kept picturing that
<v Speaker 2>Port Tampa death. I didn't want to live and die
<v Speaker 2>on those docks. I want something different from my life.
<v Speaker 2>I was still young, you know I couldn't give in yet.
<v Speaker 2>I knew I had to walk away. Your music wasn't perfect,
<v Speaker 2>but at least I was having fun looking out on
<v Speaker 2>a crowd full of beautiful girls. I sweating it up
<v Speaker 2>on a container ship all day. Had I landed one
<v Speaker 2>of those other jobs I applied for, who knows what happened.
<v Speaker 2>If somebody called me back and hired me a Tampa
<v Speaker 2>Electric and all those all these friends started congratulating me
<v Speaker 2>on landing a great job. I'd probably still be working
<v Speaker 2>there today. I might even be retired by now. I'm
<v Speaker 2>sure is he retired anyway? Well, I'll tell you all
<v Speaker 2>you need to know about how he never he never
<v Speaker 2>considered the bank account closed, you know, right, I'm sure
<v Speaker 2>you know I'm sure I would have made a linesman
<v Speaker 2>with my my own crew of foreman like my dad.
<v Speaker 2>I would have grown my go tee. I'm sure I
<v Speaker 2>would have lifted weights and taken steroids. Had been a
<v Speaker 2>legend to my own mind, standing on the side of
<v Speaker 2>the road all buffing down with my hard hat on,
<v Speaker 2>posing as everybody drove by. Want to be values, you know, Jesus,
<v Speaker 2>everyone wanted me to be dude. So I mean, he
<v Speaker 2>talks about what if this, what if that? You know,
<v Speaker 2>what if I got that job at the White Company,
<v Speaker 2>and then what if what if Metallica called him back?
<v Speaker 11>Right, maybe this is old news, but you played bass
<v Speaker 11>and you how did you audition for Metallica?
<v Speaker 2>I didn't.
<v Speaker 8>I heard they needed a bass player, and I was
<v Speaker 8>coming off a role from being hearing not hearing back
<v Speaker 8>from the Rolling Stones, because I was I was on
<v Speaker 8>a laughing celebrity, like a charity, you know how they
<v Speaker 8>had the Grammys and all these stuff. They had something
<v Speaker 8>in England like but it was a comedy show and
<v Speaker 8>so I was presenting.
<v Speaker 2>With Jerry Hall.
<v Speaker 8>I said, hey, man, I heard your old man needs
<v Speaker 8>a bass player. I played for ten years, and you
<v Speaker 8>know I was pretty good locally, you know, back in
<v Speaker 8>the day. And so I gave him my name a number,
<v Speaker 8>and she hit me up for merchandise. I said, oh this,
<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna get a chance here. So I said, oh
<v Speaker 8>the ww merchandise to Jerry Hall and so I've never
<v Speaker 8>heard a word from it. And on that same note,
<v Speaker 8>Metallica to a bass player, and oh my god, would
<v Speaker 8>I love to be a Metallica. So I put the
<v Speaker 8>word out everywhere I wanted to get an audition to
<v Speaker 8>be a Metallica. That never heard from them either.
<v Speaker 2>What year is this? This is you already big? You're famous?
<v Speaker 8>Well, I quit playing music when I started wrestling in
<v Speaker 8>seventy seven, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 7>And this was his whole code. And he still wants
<v Speaker 7>to be a Rocks.
<v Speaker 1>Everyone wants to be a goddamn rock star.
<v Speaker 8>Can you imagine being exactly are you kidding me?
<v Speaker 11>Yes, he might be a little inappropriate, though, since you
<v Speaker 11>hadn't played bass in ten years to say to the Stones,
<v Speaker 11>I'm ready for the job.
<v Speaker 2>Progression those songs probably three chord progressions was Jim Norton.
<v Speaker 2>He was on a radio in of you doing it,
<v Speaker 2>so that's like that's his thing. God, bless Hulk Man.
<v Speaker 2>He's not saying Jim Norton is annoying Ship. I'm just
<v Speaker 2>just telling you who that was. I can't hand his
<v Speaker 2>fucking face. Smack him fucking on the side. Note, Yeah, who,
<v Speaker 2>for no reason was the voice of the UFC podcast.
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was funny all of a sudden. So
<v Speaker 2>so Hogan, you know, he's not saying that he met
<v Speaker 2>with Metallica, and he's not saying that he appeared before.
<v Speaker 2>He's saying the thing that can't be disproven, that he
<v Speaker 2>he put out there that he would like to be.
<v Speaker 2>I put out there a lot of things, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I put out there that I would like to have
<v Speaker 2>sixteen different video game systems when I was ten years old.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get any of them. But I put out
<v Speaker 2>there when I went to when I went to the diner,
<v Speaker 2>when I with my dad when I was a kid,
<v Speaker 2>that I wanted cornby Pash. I didn't get it, but
<v Speaker 2>I took a step in the direction of getting Therefore
<v Speaker 2>it almost happened. Right Therefore it you know. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>so he and that's the story of Hulk, Like we
<v Speaker 2>go back to him conflating and Savage's story of you know,
<v Speaker 2>being recruited by the Cincinnati Reds, with him being recruited
<v Speaker 2>by the Cincinnati Reds, conflating some of his Little league
<v Speaker 2>exploits with those of kids who went further than he
<v Speaker 2>did in the Little League, and just kind of co
<v Speaker 2>opting those for himself, mentioning, you know, one hundred and
<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand people the Buddhakan in the same breath as
<v Speaker 2>he's describing his own accomplishments as a draw in professional wrestling.
<v Speaker 2>And so here's another example, you know, like he's found
<v Speaker 2>a way to associate himself with Metallica and the Rolling Stones,
<v Speaker 2>these little tiny anecdotes, and maybe he made a good
<v Speaker 2>faith effort. Same thing with the George Foreman Grill, same
<v Speaker 2>thing with all these things. And that's if we are
<v Speaker 2>to understand Hulk Hogan here on the Birth of hul Cogan,
<v Speaker 2>we must understand this part of the way his brain works.
<v Speaker 2>In a separate interview with the Son, Hogan went further,
<v Speaker 2>claiming he'd been friends with the drummer of Metallica, Lars Ulrich,
<v Speaker 2>which means he met him once probably and was asked
<v Speaker 2>to join the band in its early days. So he
<v Speaker 2>went even further than he did in that interview. I
<v Speaker 2>think that Jim Norton interview came after the initial attempted
<v Speaker 2>him to you know, socialize this idea that he was
<v Speaker 2>close to Metallica, and he starts dialing back the degree
<v Speaker 2>to which you know he claims to Actually I've got
<v Speaker 2>claiming he had asked to join the band in its
<v Speaker 2>early day. He was asked to join the band in
<v Speaker 2>its early days. Metallica, however, remembers it differently. All Rich
<v Speaker 2>Flatley denied the story they asked him was going to
<v Speaker 2>be in Metallica. No, Well, to your point, here's James Hetfield,
<v Speaker 2>the big front man of Metallica that everybody knows. I
<v Speaker 2>think he's on Metal Injection here. Yes, he is Metal Injection,
<v Speaker 2>which is a hard rock podcast, heavy metal podcast, and
<v Speaker 2>he's asked directly. He's handed actually a photoshopped image of
<v Speaker 2>Metallica with Hulk Hogan on it as if he's a
<v Speaker 2>member of the band. And this is James Hetfield's response
<v Speaker 2>to the idea that Hulk Cogan ever came close to
<v Speaker 2>joining Metallica.
<v Speaker 7>Okay, you know this guy.
<v Speaker 10>His version of history.
<v Speaker 7>I don't know his version of history. I don't remember him.
<v Speaker 7>But anyway, Uh, yeah, Whule Cogan.
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, he talks a lot about it of the time,
<v Speaker 10>but what what is it?
<v Speaker 7>He he was in the band for a minute.
<v Speaker 10>No, but he tried to be in the band.
<v Speaker 9>I think he's saying that he was in the additions when.
<v Speaker 10>You really yeah, huh, definitely not.
<v Speaker 7>But anyway, it's a good fit.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 10>He makes us look very small, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, could it be more dismissing? What are you doing?
<v Speaker 2>What the this guy was the biggest wrestler ever and
<v Speaker 2>he's like putting himself in these situations where people were
<v Speaker 2>biggert stars than him. Have to like laugh at him
<v Speaker 2>like some kind of you know, snake oil salesman. Basically, yeah, right,
<v Speaker 2>It's like, dude, you actually accomplished an incredible amount and
<v Speaker 2>you're legitimate, bona fide celebrity. Why do you also And
<v Speaker 2>Jim Norton is kind of getting at this, why do
<v Speaker 2>you also have to be considered someone that was almost
<v Speaker 2>in Metallica? And what are you doing to yourself?
<v Speaker 10>Why?
<v Speaker 2>Like because you need because you know what, they're the
<v Speaker 2>void people to avoid him. He needs exactly the void.
<v Speaker 2>Why the void? The void? The void? The void became
<v Speaker 2>I think we're getting there. Maybe, Yeah, the void became attention. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>people talking about him and if people if he could
<v Speaker 2>say something that was a little bit out lammish, But
<v Speaker 2>is it necessarily like you know, you can't necessarily find
<v Speaker 2>out if it's not true or not. And you know, hey,
<v Speaker 2>you know, brother, all these metallicized and you know they're
<v Speaker 2>kind of old my age, brother, they don't remember everything, dude, right,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't expect them to remember it. They're
<v Speaker 2>a huge deal, but it happened. You know, people people
<v Speaker 2>are in the band, Brother, they're not gonna remember. But dude,
<v Speaker 2>for someone like me, brother, it was kind of like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, a Joe Schmoe kind of guy. You're all
<v Speaker 2>a big deal with me brother, be considered an almost
<v Speaker 2>get into Metallica and riff with him for a couple hours, dude,
<v Speaker 2>jam session, Dude. You know he's a big fucking deal, brother,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And that's it, like the idea. But then
<v Speaker 2>so he comes up with this idea of something that
<v Speaker 2>isn't necessarily completely true. You know, he can just kind
<v Speaker 2>of throw something out there and then all of a
<v Speaker 2>sudden people are going to talk about it, and then
<v Speaker 2>he's still relevant. People are talking about it. Even if
<v Speaker 2>he comes across like a fucking idiot, people are still
<v Speaker 2>talking about him. And that's the void right there. The
<v Speaker 2>void becomes relevancy in any fashion. And it's the sad thing,
<v Speaker 2>because you know, being relevant for any for for anything
<v Speaker 2>is is. I don't know, man, I think that's that's
<v Speaker 2>if you're so desperate to be relevant for that. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, there's just something greater missing. Obviously, Obviously
<v Speaker 2>there's something greater internally. That's been the tragedy of all
<v Speaker 2>Coop that he should be the one wrestler who doesn't
<v Speaker 2>need any more aphorisms, he doesn't need any more plouts
<v Speaker 2>or trinkets or ata boys, or he should be the
<v Speaker 2>one that models the behavior. If you become the absolute
<v Speaker 2>biggest deal in pro wrestling, you can absolutely retire, rest
<v Speaker 2>on your laurels and have right off in the sunset
<v Speaker 2>on what you earn by sacrificing your body. Instead, he
<v Speaker 2>spent you know, his twilight, just chasing another opportunity to
<v Speaker 2>be in front of a camera, right and to make
<v Speaker 2>another million and feel like he stole it. You know,
<v Speaker 2>that's the rush for him, He said, They like kleptomaniacs.
<v Speaker 2>They almost feel like every dollar they make they kind
<v Speaker 2>of hustled out of you, and that they didn't really
<v Speaker 2>earn it, but they put it in their pocket and
<v Speaker 2>they get another market to give them money. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's the same thing we leverage him and go to
<v Speaker 2>these conventions and give him fifty dollars to talk. I
<v Speaker 2>feel like they just got something over on somebody, you know, right,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, no, really, I gave it to you. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you should have more than enough to need renaissenter of money,
<v Speaker 2>right or you know what I mean that this fucking
<v Speaker 2>fly by night, uh, you know marketing scheme, these you know,
<v Speaker 2>these health products and these these loan loan programs that
<v Speaker 2>you're selling just so unflattering, so awful. And if he
<v Speaker 2>didn't get that, just that cocker settlement, man, I'm telling you,
<v Speaker 2>it would have been even uglier. He would have been
<v Speaker 2>involved in so much more cheesy and stupid and borderline
<v Speaker 2>fraudulent shit. You know, companies that would have paid them
<v Speaker 2>to fix their name it. Oh yeah, I mean he
<v Speaker 2>would have been it would have been it would have
<v Speaker 2>been like Rick Flair in those fucking car commercials. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>there wouldn't have been a multi level marketing scheme that
<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't like endorse like he'd be there for one
<v Speaker 2>after the other after the other. So w into a
<v Speaker 2>little under the cinematic exercise. One of the things that's
<v Speaker 2>so great is you find these q and as that
<v Speaker 2>are relevant to the movie that happened over the years. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>this is part of our trial of his life heritage
<v Speaker 2>as well. So in two thousand and now, let me
<v Speaker 2>actually get the exact date here. This was Vice that
<v Speaker 2>did this interview with him in twenty fourteen. They basically
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to sit down with Hulk specifically about his
<v Speaker 2>music career. They didn't want to really talk about his
<v Speaker 2>wrestling exploits or anything else. It was just like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>people that follow us like music, and we're gonna talk
<v Speaker 2>to hul Cogan about his music career only. So this
<v Speaker 2>is really a nice focused piece that we can convey
<v Speaker 2>here on the complete Hulkoguin that tells you not only
<v Speaker 2>what hul Cogin did in music, but what he wanted
<v Speaker 2>people to think he did in music as well. It
<v Speaker 2>starts this way and then we'll go to the q
<v Speaker 2>and A Long before hul Cogan tore both of his
<v Speaker 2>biceps body slamming under the giant. I thought it was
<v Speaker 2>his back. Oh my god, in front of ninety three
<v Speaker 2>thousand at WrestleMania three. So already after a great start.
<v Speaker 2>He was a music kid who dropped out of college
<v Speaker 2>to play in front of a few hundred rowdy drunks
<v Speaker 2>every night. He might have been returning to music stage
<v Speaker 2>this Tuesday to play with Bait, to play bass with
<v Speaker 2>One Direction. Yes. At some point Hulk started talking about
<v Speaker 2>himself association with One Direction, and he was subsequently asked
<v Speaker 2>about that. I think by the full Send podcast nationala
<v Speaker 2>he had never even heard who they were, after volunteering
<v Speaker 2>the idea that he was involved with them just a
<v Speaker 2>few years prior. Hulk's last band Ruckus is where he
<v Speaker 2>first discovered his love of entertaining crowds. Recordings of his
<v Speaker 2>earlier projects either don't exist or have disappeared from the
<v Speaker 2>public side, but what we do have access to was
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan and the wrestling boot bands. Hulk Rules nineteen
<v Speaker 2>ninety five, the commercially successful but critical flop of a
<v Speaker 2>children's album that was written by the Haultzner and his friends.
<v Speaker 1>Give Me the La Fan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast
<v Speaker 1>that knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
<v Speaker 1>He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnio m.
<v Speaker 2>JP sorow Noisy. I think Noisy is the name of
<v Speaker 2>the the part of the Vice website that would write
<v Speaker 2>about music. Covered it first a few years ago, growing
<v Speaker 2>up watching Hollywood Holk Cove and spray paint n w
<v Speaker 2>O on the backs of his fallen comm opponents in
<v Speaker 2>w W who left a lasting impact on me. But
<v Speaker 2>when you combine that image with the wrestling boot band
<v Speaker 2>and the Hulkster hanging with one direction, I'm left with
<v Speaker 2>a variety of questions. Whose idea was it to have
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan rapped to kids about not taking drugs? Will
<v Speaker 2>we ever see Hulk back in the recording studio? And
<v Speaker 2>most importantly, how did that awesome bleached blonde and jet
<v Speaker 2>blackbeard become a thing. To find out, I sat down
<v Speaker 2>face to face with the immortal Hulk Hogan and the
<v Speaker 2>belly of Levi Stadium in Santa Clara, California, where WrestleMania
<v Speaker 2>thirty one will be held next year. It was also
<v Speaker 2>on the publicity tour for this WrestleMania that he told
<v Speaker 2>the Tall Tales about being recruited by the Cincinnati Reds
<v Speaker 2>and other Major League Baseball clubs. Oh so he was off.
<v Speaker 2>He was off the chain in twenty fourteen. Man, he
<v Speaker 2>was going for it all. He was volunteering anything. I
<v Speaker 2>just don't like seriously, So here we go. You will
<v Speaker 2>be Hulk Hogan. Of course, before you rise to fame
<v Speaker 2>in the wrestling world, you had a passion for music.
<v Speaker 2>Can you talk about the early days when you played
<v Speaker 2>bass in a rock and roll band called Ruckus? Oh god, well,
<v Speaker 2>well that was my last band. I've been on the
<v Speaker 2>road for I've been on the road for ten years
<v Speaker 2>and I was a studio What the fuck is like?
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck did where did this come from? Driving
<v Speaker 2>around playing clubs? I mean, sure, I've been on the
<v Speaker 2>road for ten years and I was a studio musician
<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta. I was a century artist. I started out
<v Speaker 2>playing guitar in junior high school because I was I
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a big sports guy, even though I played football
<v Speaker 2>and I occasionally and I played Baseball World Series and
<v Speaker 2>broke all records and have a plaque with my name
<v Speaker 2>on it for hitting the most home runs and intra bass.
<v Speaker 2>I was also into bowling for a while, and it
<v Speaker 2>was a champion there and all over the newspapers. And
<v Speaker 2>I was in new music. I had long hair, so
<v Speaker 2>I started out playing guitar. And as things go, as
<v Speaker 2>music kid, you start playing in bands. Is that what
<v Speaker 2>happens when your music kid, you start playing bands? I
<v Speaker 2>think that just happened. That's a fair stick. Yeah, sure,
<v Speaker 2>I guess I missed out on that. I guess because
<v Speaker 2>I played trumpet, played in a band. It just wasn't
<v Speaker 2>a touring band. Oh, school band, I guess the school band. Sure,
<v Speaker 2>Area Christmas played Tube of Christmas a few times. All
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, I got in a really good band
<v Speaker 2>playing guitar. But then this different, really good guitar player
<v Speaker 2>came along, and this guy was really great. So I
<v Speaker 2>had a choice leave the band or start playing bass.
<v Speaker 2>So I chose to become a pretty darn good bass player.
<v Speaker 2>You know, when I was in high school, there were
<v Speaker 2>like five or six good bands, and I got all
<v Speaker 2>the good people out of those bands and got into
<v Speaker 2>one band called Ruckus Rockus Brother. I got the lead
<v Speaker 2>guitar player from Todd Rudgren's band. I can't remember some
<v Speaker 2>of the songs he did, like Hello, it's making notices
<v Speaker 2>that I don't seem to know who Todd Rudgrean is. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>they were famous back in the eighties. But Ruckus kicked ass.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they were fairs back in the eighties. Here
<v Speaker 2>you know, brother, but Ruckus kicked ass. You know that
<v Speaker 2>was the last band I was in rus shows. Like
<v Speaker 2>I read in your book that wrestlers would come to
<v Speaker 2>see some of the gigs. Yeah, I was a huge
<v Speaker 2>wrestling fan as a kid. I was to death one
<v Speaker 2>because back in the day, wrestlers were very protective and
<v Speaker 2>if you call wrestling fake, they'd punch you in the face. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I've heard Fit Finley, a wrestler in those days made
<v Speaker 2>a habit out of breaking people's pinky fingers. Those days
<v Speaker 2>made a habit out of breaking people's pinky fingers for
<v Speaker 2>saying that wrestling was fake. Yeah, or if you want
<v Speaker 2>to trial for wrestling, they had hurt you real bad,
<v Speaker 2>like they did me on my first day of training.
<v Speaker 2>They broke my leg. They like a bunch of fucking
<v Speaker 2>foonds came over and broke and his fucking with a
<v Speaker 2>capital T. Those guys from the docks, you better watch
<v Speaker 2>out for by the way, yeah right, exactly. You know,
<v Speaker 2>back in the day, there were no lawyers, no, none
<v Speaker 2>at all, No lawyers, he says, no lawsuits ever, not
<v Speaker 2>about the lawyer that helped you with that mysterious civil
<v Speaker 2>forfeiture in fucking nineteen fifty eight. Whatever. It was, exactly right.
<v Speaker 2>And obviously no cell phone, so no one could take pictures,
<v Speaker 2>so wrestlers could do whatever they wanted. So growing up,
<v Speaker 2>even in high school, I was scared of death of them.
<v Speaker 2>But all of a sudden, I started playing this kick
<v Speaker 2>ass rock and roll band, and a couple of wrestlers
<v Speaker 2>came into the show that a couple of nights later,
<v Speaker 2>even more came in because they had told each other,
<v Speaker 2>you know, that there was this kick ass band, and
<v Speaker 2>because there was a kick ass band, there was all
<v Speaker 2>this hot ass running around, you know, all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>before I knew it, there was a bunch of wrestlers
<v Speaker 2>our gigs. You know, these are regional wrestlers who would
<v Speaker 2>wrestle in Tampa, Miami, Orlando, and Tallahassee. So they'd come
<v Speaker 2>back to Tampa every night where we'd be playing at
<v Speaker 2>three am in the morning. You know, we'd play in
<v Speaker 2>North Tampa then go over to Clearwater Beach and play
<v Speaker 2>skips on the beach. So I finally got enough guts
<v Speaker 2>to start talking to Oliver Humperdink, who was managing superstar
<v Speaker 2>Billy Graham, and I told him I want to try
<v Speaker 2>out to be a wrestler. He was like, yeah, sure,
<v Speaker 2>come on down, You'll give you a tryout. Crack broke
<v Speaker 2>my leg. Did Ruckus ever play out of town? We
<v Speaker 2>did pretty much local, even though he was driving around
<v Speaker 2>for ten years. But what did you just say, Like,
<v Speaker 2>he's on the road for ten years, yet he's a
<v Speaker 2>local it We're pretty much local because a couple of
<v Speaker 2>guys got more married. We went up to Atlanta a
<v Speaker 2>few times and played in some Stone Pony club. We
<v Speaker 2>never really went on the road with the band. Oh
<v Speaker 2>my god, he just fucking said it. He just fucking
<v Speaker 2>said he was on the I guess. So the one
<v Speaker 2>reason I ended up choosing wrestling over music was because
<v Speaker 2>we had a chance to go on the road. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>even an a I would be confused. I mean seriously, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>It's like, hey, I explained Hulkgan's were they were they
<v Speaker 2>or were they not on the road? Right? Can you
<v Speaker 2>can you decide for if hul Cogan's band was on
<v Speaker 2>the road or not on the road please now you know, uh,
<v Speaker 2>God for two for opening for two bands, Mothers find
<v Speaker 2>Us out of Atlanta and a band called Blackfoot. You know,
<v Speaker 2>two of our guys went and oh, you know, we
<v Speaker 2>don't want to go on that road. My wife just
<v Speaker 2>had a baby. And I kind of pushed me over
<v Speaker 2>the edge because we had a chance to be a
<v Speaker 2>national act. Oh that little review we read was definitely, Uh,
<v Speaker 2>it's a spark and anything's possible, all right, anything, but
<v Speaker 2>I can I can see Hulks settling for a version
<v Speaker 2>of events where I could have been rather than I
<v Speaker 2>found out. I couldn't be yes for sure. And our
<v Speaker 2>band was so tight, you know, the whole building would
<v Speaker 2>move when we played. So it was kind of like, man,
<v Speaker 2>we got our we got our act together here and
<v Speaker 2>these guys don't want to rock. That really moved me
<v Speaker 2>the direction of wrestling. It's funny because he went onto
<v Speaker 2>rock and wrestling that's right, how and then you would wrestle,
<v Speaker 2>and then you'd wrestle the rock. If these guys don't
<v Speaker 2>want to rock, I'll go and work the rock. I'll
<v Speaker 2>wrestle the rock, dude, we'll go first. You want to
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what. These guys don't want to rock.
<v Speaker 2>I want to do rock and wrestling, and then I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna wrestle the rock. How about that? And then we'll
<v Speaker 2>know what's up and then we're going. Then we'll and
<v Speaker 2>then we'll fight. Sarakainslaughter because of what's happening in a rock.
<v Speaker 2>How did you first meet your bandmates? I don't remember
<v Speaker 2>how I met most of them. I remember I was
<v Speaker 2>in a band called Coco and Anthony Barcelo, you know,
<v Speaker 2>Rux's lead singer came over to audition after coco singer
<v Speaker 2>quit or something. That's how I met him. So I
<v Speaker 2>don't remember how I met most of them, but we
<v Speaker 2>met it. We had a drummer who almost made it
<v Speaker 2>to the very end, who I went to first grade
<v Speaker 2>all the way through high school with. But the rest
<v Speaker 2>of the guys were just studio musicians that I had
<v Speaker 2>met on the music. So what did R sound like?
<v Speaker 2>We did a lot of rock and roll covers and
<v Speaker 2>a couple original songs, not very many, but many, you know,
<v Speaker 2>maybe like five four or five originals. You know. We
<v Speaker 2>were out there playing for money to get out, to
<v Speaker 2>get on our feet and get ready to do what
<v Speaker 2>we needed to do. And we weren't together so long
<v Speaker 2>that we weren't together so long that there wasn't too
<v Speaker 2>much original stuff. I owned a copy of Hult Cocin
<v Speaker 2>and the Wrestling boot Band, the Holtster Size and face burns.
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me how that whole thing came together?
<v Speaker 2>What was the creative process? Like, did Hulk Cogan and
<v Speaker 2>the Wrestling boot Man ever play shows? No, we didn't know. Hey,
<v Speaker 2>there's hey, there's your producers behind me to his longtime
<v Speaker 2>manager w W legend Jimmy Hart, who bounces up from
<v Speaker 2>his seat excitedly, how you doing, baby, Jimmy Hard? How
<v Speaker 2>are you doing?
<v Speaker 4>Maybe?
<v Speaker 2>Good to see you, Good to see you. That's freaking good. Well,
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna need a Jimmy Hart if we're gonna do this.
<v Speaker 2>I know. It's seriously how that happened? Jo Hulk was
<v Speaker 2>talking about going into doing an album. It was really
<v Speaker 2>his idea. Did this start? Did this start with the
<v Speaker 2>leader of the gang? I am no, we had the
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling boot Man out first, baby. Oh okay, I don't remember.
<v Speaker 2>I don't Sawhn Cowell was the one who helped us.
<v Speaker 2>So what happened was a gentleman approached us about maybe
<v Speaker 2>Hulk doing an album because Hupe played bass and I
<v Speaker 2>played in a rock group probably before you were born,
<v Speaker 2>called the Gentries. So we kind of all put something
<v Speaker 2>together Hulkman in the studio, and we got two great
<v Speaker 2>money deals off it. Really Hulpe played bass on it,
<v Speaker 2>and we had our friend Jim Maguire there. How can
<v Speaker 2>everybody else just chipped in, sat around for a few
<v Speaker 2>weeks and we wrote ten songs. All of a sudden
<v Speaker 2>we got a major record deal on Select Records, and
<v Speaker 2>the next thing you know, we're over in eure Up
<v Speaker 2>and knocking on a few doors with the album. A
<v Speaker 2>Hulk was doing a big promotional thing for one of
<v Speaker 2>his movies at the time. Then we had a magic
<v Speaker 2>phone call from the Say and our guy Simon Cowell,
<v Speaker 2>who'd never heard of us before, who we'd never heard
<v Speaker 2>of before. Baby. He brought us in and said, I
<v Speaker 2>love this album, but it's already out. I've got another
<v Speaker 2>idea for Hulk, and it was old Gary Glitter song,
<v Speaker 2>the leader of the Gang I am he goes. Let
<v Speaker 2>me tell you something. It's going to be number one
<v Speaker 2>and we go yeah, right, but then it was number
<v Speaker 2>one for five weeks over there, so it just really
<v Speaker 2>turned out awesome. Your cover of the Gary Glitter song
<v Speaker 2>Leader of the Gang I Am with comedy metal band
<v Speaker 2>Green Jelly was a top forty hit on the UK charts.
<v Speaker 2>What was it like working with Simon Cowell? Terry, Oh,
<v Speaker 2>he was cool and just unbelievably nice and friendly, and
<v Speaker 2>he really he kind of like parlayed that into some
<v Speaker 2>of the wrestling albums and how's how he became. That's
<v Speaker 2>why we came over here to the United States. He
<v Speaker 2>did a couple of albums for the WWE that wentn't platinum.
<v Speaker 2>It it was because a physic man working with him.
<v Speaker 2>They ended up coming to the States. It's kind of
<v Speaker 2>weird that Simon Cowell got his break in the United
<v Speaker 2>States because of wrestler what's insane. That's weird that he
<v Speaker 2>was He has w w F albums in his discography. Dude,
<v Speaker 2>I run into him at some launch party. Is that
<v Speaker 2>it is that true? Yeah? I've heard. I've heard Simon
<v Speaker 2>Kala do interviews where he credits the w w F
<v Speaker 2>Slamjam album is what really broke him into the United
<v Speaker 2>Stoke kidding, Wow, Okay, very good, I'm thinking dude. I
<v Speaker 2>ran into him with some launch party about three years ago,
<v Speaker 2>and I actually didn't recognize him. The launch was for
<v Speaker 2>some docu soap about my life called Fine and Hulkog
<v Speaker 2>and I want rod by him and said, hey, you
<v Speaker 2>know you don't say and he said, hey, you don't.
<v Speaker 2>You don't say hello to your friends? And I went,
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I'm so sorry, and I gave him
<v Speaker 2>a big hug. He's just so cool and very different
<v Speaker 2>from the character he plays on TV. Do you think
<v Speaker 2>you later used anything you learned? What would you know
<v Speaker 2>about that, Darry? Yeah? Also everyone's playing a character. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>exactly exactly, he's telling on himself. Do you think you
<v Speaker 2>later used anything you learned playing rock and roll in
<v Speaker 2>the ring? Oh? Yeah, Broler, Because I definitely not a
<v Speaker 2>good singer. If there was a hook that we all
<v Speaker 2>needed to sing along with it was in my range,
<v Speaker 2>then I could step up and handle that. But I
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a good singer. You know. What did happen though,
<v Speaker 2>was that in between songs, I found myself being the
<v Speaker 2>one talking to the crowd, making eye contact. You're keeping
<v Speaker 2>those you know, keeping things going and moving things long,
<v Speaker 2>just kind of being on the stage or not in
<v Speaker 2>front of so many people, especially between eleven pm and
<v Speaker 2>three am when the place would be packed. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>alcohol made the place crazier. I found out that I
<v Speaker 2>was really good working with the crowd. It really helped
<v Speaker 2>me when I when I went into the in the
<v Speaker 2>wrestling arena, and instead of being afraid of looking at
<v Speaker 2>the crowd, I knew nobody was going to kill me
<v Speaker 2>or scare me off. It really did help it playing
<v Speaker 2>music on stage all those years. You know. One of
<v Speaker 2>the things me, Oh, well, one of the things about
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll is that you've got to have style.
<v Speaker 2>One of my favorite wrestling style choices of yours back
<v Speaker 2>in the NWL was your classic bleached blonde and jet
<v Speaker 2>black beard. Can you tell me how that started? Oh
<v Speaker 2>my gosh. Now, I was just trying to find something
<v Speaker 2>different than would really stand out.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 2>I did a couple of movies where I had shaved
<v Speaker 2>the whole mustache off, like Assault on Devil's No, no,
<v Speaker 2>he didn't shove the mustache off for that well. No
<v Speaker 2>more importantly, he hadn't made it yet. He hadn't made
<v Speaker 2>it made it at it hadn't come out, and I
<v Speaker 2>hadn't even mustache. He's shaved them ninety five. Yes he
<v Speaker 2>did do that, but he hadn't made this movie like
<v Speaker 2>he's talking about. I done this for exactly like Assault
<v Speaker 2>the Devil's Island, given the idea for the black beard one.
<v Speaker 3>For a year.
<v Speaker 2>No when then when that came back right and had
<v Speaker 2>a such a different look. So instead of bleaching my
<v Speaker 2>mustache like I normally do, one night I took I
<v Speaker 2>took Ladies eyeliner and drew a beard on my face
<v Speaker 2>like you know, like how a kid would play. Then
<v Speaker 2>I colored it with black eyeliner and said, that's it
<v Speaker 2>because it just looks so darn cool. I grew my
<v Speaker 2>hair out on my face to the point where it
<v Speaker 2>was a pain of the ass to put the eyeliner
<v Speaker 2>on there. And if I were to wrestle somebody and
<v Speaker 2>they would grab me in a headlock, he'd get all
<v Speaker 2>over their arms and stuff. So I went to that
<v Speaker 2>black just for men's stuff. This last for like five
<v Speaker 2>or six days before you see a couple of gray
<v Speaker 2>hairs popping out and I have to color it again.
<v Speaker 2>Every hotel room I was in would turn into a disaster.
<v Speaker 2>I'd have that black crap on my fingers, and I'd
<v Speaker 2>go to the building at night and have my fingers
<v Speaker 2>would be dyed black because I wasn't putting it on.
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't good putting it on. But then that's how
<v Speaker 2>it all started. I just drew down my face and
<v Speaker 2>it looked cool. A little while ago, there was a
<v Speaker 2>variety of stories in the media about your interest in
<v Speaker 2>joining Metallica and the Rolling Stones. Can you tell me
<v Speaker 2>about that. I bought wrestle so long, and I got
<v Speaker 2>to the point where with no Stone Cold Rock or
<v Speaker 2>Triple h around, I was the only guy for a
<v Speaker 2>long time, So what if he wanted to do well?
<v Speaker 2>I think he's saying before Stone Cold Rock and Triple
<v Speaker 2>h Oh oh oh oh, it makes it seem like
<v Speaker 2>it's after they retired, right right. I was the only
<v Speaker 2>guy for a long time, so I had to be everywhere.
<v Speaker 2>He would wrestle at one o'clock in the Philadelphia Spectrum
<v Speaker 2>and that I would be in Madison Square Garden. Next
<v Speaker 2>day at one o'clock, I'd be in the Boston Gardens
<v Speaker 2>and catch a plane and fly into wrestle Los Angeles.
<v Speaker 2>Format never happened. Once, not one. Then then I had
<v Speaker 2>to drive to fucking Minnesota from Los Angeles to be
<v Speaker 2>in a match four hours later. Dude, I would have
<v Speaker 2>to parachute out of the plane in Saint Louis. Get
<v Speaker 2>the pinfall go. Sometimes I had to wrestle in two
<v Speaker 2>places at the same time. Brother, Sometimes I'm sometimes I'm
<v Speaker 2>on the same card in Japan as I am doing
<v Speaker 2>down in Florida. Brother, it's crazy, dude. I'd brawled the
<v Speaker 2>back in the middle of one of my matches. Get
<v Speaker 2>in a helicopter. They would take me six states over.
<v Speaker 2>I'd do a brawl, go to the back, and then
<v Speaker 2>I go back to the other match.
<v Speaker 9>You go back.
<v Speaker 2>That's what he would do in a helicopter. Fucking shit,
<v Speaker 2>it's good stuff. Bough. Oh you should you know. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't really get tired, but I was like, man, I'm
<v Speaker 2>killing myself, So I really got tired. Okay, Now I
<v Speaker 2>always love still have music. I was in the UK
<v Speaker 2>for some award show and Jerry Hall, Mick Jagger's old lady,
<v Speaker 2>was walking out with me to present this award. I
<v Speaker 2>heard her talking on the phone to Mike about, oh,
<v Speaker 2>you got to find a new you know, find a
<v Speaker 2>bass player, and you go, you only got two different choices.
<v Speaker 2>I said, what if had already told me that her
<v Speaker 2>kids are big fans and she wanted merchandise. I was like,
<v Speaker 2>all right, looks real, real her in dude. I was like, look,
<v Speaker 2>I used to play bass. You know, I know all
<v Speaker 2>the Rolling Stones songs. Tell Mick if you guys need
<v Speaker 2>a bass player for the Rolling Stones. I swear to God,
<v Speaker 2>I could show up. I could rehearse one day and
<v Speaker 2>play everything that they play. So please tell Mick. Please
<v Speaker 2>tell Mick I got Home Center all the merchandise. Never
<v Speaker 2>cut her word back, right, So then I heard Metallica
<v Speaker 2>needed a bass player, and brother I was writing letters,
<v Speaker 2>made a tape myself playing and send it to their management.
<v Speaker 2>Made a tapet's find it, made a tape himself. I
<v Speaker 2>know I need that tape, right, kept making calls, trying
<v Speaker 2>to get through. I tried for two weeks and never
<v Speaker 2>heard a word back from them either. You know, I
<v Speaker 2>want to quit wrestling to play the Rolling Stones from
<v Speaker 2>Metallica like that. You know. I was hoping for a
<v Speaker 2>call from from them, but never got one. All the
<v Speaker 2>haters were like, you know you never wanted it from Metallica.
<v Speaker 2>Of course I didn't. I tried the whole coaching story.
<v Speaker 2>Of course I didn't, but I tried. Yes, talk recently
<v Speaker 2>about your training and hoping for a return to the ring,
<v Speaker 2>but I want to know, will we ever see you
<v Speaker 2>return to making music? That was a really possible. You know,
<v Speaker 2>that's really possible because Brook has always been there and
<v Speaker 2>doing stuff. So sometimes I'll lay down a scrash track,
<v Speaker 2>but actually that's I recently got a call about this band,
<v Speaker 2>you know, One Direction. The MEBC wants me to interview them.
<v Speaker 2>NBC wants then MEC wants me to interview them. I
<v Speaker 2>said fine, But all of a sudden their management called
<v Speaker 2>and said, would you bring them on stage? I said sure,
<v Speaker 2>and then they said, you know, we should play a
<v Speaker 2>song with them. I said, well, here's the deal, so
<v Speaker 2>that that's the same thing as maybe joining One Direction. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>right right, I'll interview them, and if you want me
<v Speaker 2>to be them on stage, I will. And if there's
<v Speaker 2>a song that has a standard chre progression, because I
<v Speaker 2>don't know any of their music that I could, you
<v Speaker 2>know here the quick it'd be fun Sogan in one Direction. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I will see what happens. Dude, No, I'll embarrassed to
<v Speaker 2>say I don't know their music. You know, that's all right.
<v Speaker 2>You know it's better that you know that. That's all right.
<v Speaker 2>It's better that you know the Rolling Stone song instead
<v Speaker 2>of one directions. Okay, but they're they're a really hot band, right,
<v Speaker 2>you know, a boy band. They're a boy band for
<v Speaker 2>younger people. I appreciate the interview. Oh, thank you, my brother,
<v Speaker 2>much love, much respect. Okay, cuts it off right away. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you damn right. It's like, you know, it's like, I, okay,
<v Speaker 2>I can, I can. I can handle Metallica, I can
<v Speaker 2>handle the Rolling Stones. I can't handle fucking one direction.
<v Speaker 2>You're done, right, You're done. I'm done with this interview,
<v Speaker 2>all right, you fucking clown. So yeah, Hope doesn't give
<v Speaker 2>up when people actually go to large erl Rich and
<v Speaker 2>James Hedfield and ask them if he's ever if they
<v Speaker 2>ever remember anything about Hulk Cogan wanting to be in Metallica,
<v Speaker 2>and they say no, here, here he is one of
<v Speaker 2>his final appearances, actually podcast appearances on the full Sen
<v Speaker 2>podcast about this, and they're the hosts are clearly having
<v Speaker 2>a bit of fun.
<v Speaker 8>Once I got back to Connecticut, when I was living
<v Speaker 8>up there after I've been fired and I came back
<v Speaker 8>to work in eighty four. Down the street from me,
<v Speaker 8>Cindy Opera lived, so I reeled her and Dave Wolfin.
<v Speaker 8>I said, let's recut some music because I knew Rick
<v Speaker 8>Diringer rock and roll hoo Chiku. You guys don't even
<v Speaker 8>know I heard the name.
<v Speaker 2>I heard the name.
<v Speaker 8>Okay, well, he wrote, he did real American my theme song.
<v Speaker 8>Then I got Cindy Opera and Rick Darrenser. We recut
<v Speaker 8>the End of a Thousand Dances, recut a couple of
<v Speaker 8>songs rock and roll, hoo Chiku and I can't remember
<v Speaker 8>something else, and brought Simon Kali over to produce it
<v Speaker 8>and went platinum.
<v Speaker 2>Bang.
<v Speaker 8>So then we decided let's do another wrestling album, Paul
<v Speaker 8>pial Driver, and brought Simon kal over Boom produced it
<v Speaker 8>went platinum. He never left, and Simon stayed here because
<v Speaker 8>he started working with the ww Fast forward. I go
<v Speaker 8>to an awards show in the UK and who am
<v Speaker 8>I presenting? With a lady named Jerry Hall who was
<v Speaker 8>living with Mick Jagger at the time. So the bass
<v Speaker 8>player just quit. I said, oh my god, I quit wrestling,
<v Speaker 8>heartbeat being the Rolling Stones.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 8>So she asked me for a bunch of merchandise for kids,
<v Speaker 8>you know, And I said, oh, yeah, I can send
<v Speaker 8>you whatever you want. And so there was Miami. I said, oh,
<v Speaker 8>by the way, I used to play bass. Could I
<v Speaker 8>send your husband a tape? You know, I'd love to
<v Speaker 8>be in their own stonech school. Yeah, I send me
<v Speaker 8>the tape, sent the tape, never heard a word. Okay, Wow,
<v Speaker 8>fast forward. Metallica needs a bass player, right, Holy smokes, Metallica.
<v Speaker 8>I could be in Metallica. Did an audition tape, put
<v Speaker 8>a tape together, send it to the band. Never heard
<v Speaker 8>a word from.
<v Speaker 3>But that was it.
<v Speaker 2>They don't even respond.
<v Speaker 8>No, dude, I was hault Cogan too, man.
<v Speaker 2>I was a champion of the world. They didn't even
<v Speaker 2>call me back. The Stones are the biggest band in
<v Speaker 2>the world at that point for sure, right, Yeah, the
<v Speaker 2>bar is pretty high. How shoot for the as? Were
<v Speaker 2>you talented enough to do? What you think? Do you
<v Speaker 2>think they saw it? I don't know.
<v Speaker 8>I know anything the Stones played. I could play, yeah, Metallica,
<v Speaker 8>I could play almost everything that played. But the new
<v Speaker 8>bass player they have, shoot, brocun't even lace his boots up.
<v Speaker 8>He is so fucking good.
<v Speaker 2>Damn, I'm surprised you never met.
<v Speaker 8>Them, never met him, never heard back from any of them.
<v Speaker 2>Didn't didn't One Direction ask you to do a song
<v Speaker 2>or something.
<v Speaker 8>I don't remember.
<v Speaker 7>Here we go.
<v Speaker 8>I saw, I saw like NBCNBC trying they wanted they
<v Speaker 8>wanted you to play like bass for One Direction.
<v Speaker 2>Don't remember.
<v Speaker 7>Do you know who those guys are?
<v Speaker 2>Would you? Maybe they sent you a tape and you
<v Speaker 2>just didn't even get it. That's probably why they broke up.
<v Speaker 2>They're just having a great time with him. Okay, So
<v Speaker 2>when did this? I'm trying to I keep thinking that
<v Speaker 2>I've got the timeline right as to when this fucking this, this,
<v Speaker 2>these auditions, these things happen. But then it seems like
<v Speaker 2>it happened, like when did this supposedly happen the Rolling
<v Speaker 2>Stones Metallica? Thing, like, when did this happen? Well, he's saying,
<v Speaker 2>I think that he mentioned that to Jerry Hall in
<v Speaker 2>like the early nineties when he was considering being done
<v Speaker 2>with wrestling. There was a point in time when the
<v Speaker 2>Rolling Stones lost their bass guitarist. Let me see, when
<v Speaker 2>did Rolling Stones lose their bassist and it was like
<v Speaker 2>a big story out there nineteen ninety three. Okay, so
<v Speaker 2>he's he's kind of thinking, like, oh my god, wrestling right,
<v Speaker 2>approaching the rear, he's done right, right, right right, And
<v Speaker 2>he claims the Metallica thing happened a few years later
<v Speaker 2>after that, when I don't know. Yeah, wow, let's see,
<v Speaker 2>when did the Metallica need a bassist? No, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 2>well it says Jason Newstead left in two thousand and one.
<v Speaker 2>That would be pretty hilarious if in two thousand and
<v Speaker 2>one Hulk thought he had a chance of being in Metallica.
<v Speaker 2>He was an old fart. Oh my god. But to
<v Speaker 2>his point, he thinks like being hul Cogan would get
<v Speaker 2>him a callback, And it's like, no, the fact that
<v Speaker 2>your Hull cogn means you're not going to get a
<v Speaker 2>call back because we don't Why would we want a
<v Speaker 2>huge superstar. Listen, listen, you could be the greatest fucking
<v Speaker 2>base partato in the world. I don't want to be
<v Speaker 2>associated with a fake wrestler. He asked all these questions
<v Speaker 2>about music. You know, we've talked so much about math. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>what about banking? Oh my god. According to Hulk Cogan
<v Speaker 2>in his first book, he embarked on a very short
<v Speaker 2>lived banking career in Tampa, and it proved faithful because,
<v Speaker 2>according to this tall tale that he spends, it was
<v Speaker 2>the information about pay that he was privileged to by
<v Speaker 2>virtue of working at a bank, that is to say,
<v Speaker 2>the pay of wrestlers on the Florida circuit that he
<v Speaker 2>decided to fully split with his music ambitions once and
<v Speaker 2>for all. So I was looking at doing some wrestling,
<v Speaker 2>I was playing music and clubs, I was going to school,
<v Speaker 2>and at the same time I was pursuing this one
<v Speaker 2>other possibility, banking, of all things. Earlier in the book,
<v Speaker 2>he remembered someone by the name of Lilah Silverwood, who
<v Speaker 2>he said was president of Atlantic Bank on Dale Marbury
<v Speaker 2>Street in Tampa Maybury Street, and she'd also been his
<v Speaker 2>babysitter when he was younger, and he says that he
<v Speaker 2>remembers going to her for a car loan when he
<v Speaker 2>was way too young to qualify for one, but she
<v Speaker 2>figured out a way to co sign it for him
<v Speaker 2>so that he could get a car, and he ended
<v Speaker 2>up getting a great credit rating as a result and
<v Speaker 2>another car as well. So he's got this relationship with
<v Speaker 2>this former babysitter who's now a hot shot at a
<v Speaker 2>Tampa bank, and when he's feeling his way around in
<v Speaker 2>the dark after high school for what he's going to
<v Speaker 2>do with his life playing in clubs, he decides to
<v Speaker 2>give this a bit of a try. And he had
<v Speaker 2>that kind of short lived interest in I think it
<v Speaker 2>was minoring or whatever it was we said in business
<v Speaker 2>and his short lived college career. He says. Lilah Silverwood,
<v Speaker 2>the lady who'd been my babysitter, worked into land at
<v Speaker 2>bank in Tampa. She knew I was scrambling trying to
<v Speaker 2>find some direction in life, trying to find one direction
<v Speaker 2>perhaps I don't know, so she gave me a job
<v Speaker 2>at the bank. Of course, in my heart, I don't
<v Speaker 2>want to work a real job because I'd been spoiled
<v Speaker 2>by making more money than any of my peers at
<v Speaker 2>a very early age. But Lylah told me I was
<v Speaker 2>going to be swiftly promoted to the top position in
<v Speaker 2>the bank's loan department, so I figured it was worth
<v Speaker 2>checking out. I went through the training program and everything,
<v Speaker 2>making three dollars and seventy five cents an hour, but
<v Speaker 2>there would be a better salary in store for me
<v Speaker 2>down the road, and I was thinking this would be
<v Speaker 2>a nice, secure way to make a living. It's part
<v Speaker 2>of my training at the bank. I had to look
<v Speaker 2>up a bunch of files. Some of them were about wrestlers,
<v Speaker 2>guys that I knew, and when I looked into their files,
<v Speaker 2>I saw that even back in nineteen seventy one, there
<v Speaker 2>were guys making twelve thousand, fifteen thousand dollars a week.
<v Speaker 2>Here I was excited about a job. I'm making three
<v Speaker 2>dollars and seventy five cents an hour, and these guys
<v Speaker 2>were making that much money every couple of seconds. That
<v Speaker 2>pushed me over the edge. When I saw what these
<v Speaker 2>guys were making, it pushed me to go hard after
<v Speaker 2>this wrestling thing. So that's it. There's nothing else to
<v Speaker 2>talk about. So I never did become a loan officer.
<v Speaker 2>I went to the training for a few days and
<v Speaker 2>got to know too much. Soon after that, I hit
<v Speaker 2>on a hard lead with the wrestling. I've been talking
<v Speaker 2>to the wrestlers and made friends with a few of
<v Speaker 2>them and found out there was a bar where they
<v Speaker 2>were to go after they wrestled on Tuesday nights. It
<v Speaker 2>was called the Imperial Room. So I made up my
<v Speaker 2>business to go to the Imperial Room after the matches
<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday nights. See this is different. Ed Leslie remembers
<v Speaker 2>them playing as ruckus at the Imperial Room right and
<v Speaker 2>wrestler's going. Others say it was some of the other
<v Speaker 2>bars that he mentioned, not the exclusion of the Imperial Room,
<v Speaker 2>but they remember other bars as being the place wrestlers
<v Speaker 2>went and would have seen Terry P. Befform here. He
<v Speaker 2>says he actually went to the Imperial Room after the
<v Speaker 2>matches on the with the express intent of meeting wrestlers,
<v Speaker 2>not because he was playing a gig. So it's very
<v Speaker 2>confusing to me, very confusing, but suffice to say, the
<v Speaker 2>wrestlers on the Florida Circuit remember seeing him without him
<v Speaker 2>seeking them out, and then him approaching them as a
<v Speaker 2>result of them happening to be in the club he
<v Speaker 2>was performing at him walking amongst the other patrons and
<v Speaker 2>trying to introduce himself. I would have a drink. There
<v Speaker 2>were the wrestlers, the ones who were friendly enough to
<v Speaker 2>talk to me. Some of them were still playing games
<v Speaker 2>with me, saying get out of here, kid, that type
<v Speaker 2>of thing. So Hulkogin is claiming that the reason he
<v Speaker 2>really gave up music, it was not just because the
<v Speaker 2>other reasons he's given, which is, you know, other people
<v Speaker 2>in the band weren't taking it seriously enough and I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, wanted to be home with their kids. Perish
<v Speaker 2>the thought, but that he actually took a peek at
<v Speaker 2>the confidential banking files of wrestlers who banked there in
<v Speaker 2>the area and found out how much they were making,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, makes sense to me. He sounds to me
<v Speaker 2>like a hulcogin story of like he knows he left.
<v Speaker 2>He left the bands for reasons that aren't necessarily flattering
<v Speaker 2>to him, and so he's basically dreaming up a circumstance
<v Speaker 2>that can't be disproven. Where in his short lived time
<v Speaker 2>considering and flirting with the idea of becoming a loan officer,
<v Speaker 2>he actually saw the bank files and the bank accounts
<v Speaker 2>of some of the rest such what, I've never heard
<v Speaker 2>of anything so ridiculous in my life, And I mean,
<v Speaker 2>that's that's fucking that's a movie plot, it really is.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm looking through these files, like, what are
<v Speaker 2>you talking to the files? You fucking Jesus Christ, No,
<v Speaker 2>you did. Meltzer and nails it you never had. One
<v Speaker 2>of the best things Meltser ever did was a review
<v Speaker 2>of Hulk's first book and The Observer, where he just
<v Speaker 2>calls him out one at a time, and this is
<v Speaker 2>one he says, if you're looking for fiction, it starts early.
<v Speaker 2>He claimed to have worked at a bank in Tampa
<v Speaker 2>and looked up the files of some of the wrestlers
<v Speaker 2>that he knew and found out they were making twelve
<v Speaker 2>thousand and fifteen thousand per week in nineteen seventy one.
<v Speaker 2>Dave writes, keep in mind that in nineteen seventy one,
<v Speaker 2>with the exception of the World champions, nobody in the
<v Speaker 2>business was making one hundred and fifty grand a year,
<v Speaker 2>and anyone earning more than fifty grand was considered at
<v Speaker 2>the time to be a superstar. So this idea that
<v Speaker 2>anyone was making twelve to fifteen times fifty two, which
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's also like thinking about you know, you know,
<v Speaker 2>back then there was a significant amount of money, you know,
<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand dollars. I thought that you can live off
<v Speaker 2>of that. You know, this is like it's just fucking
<v Speaker 2>like he's insane. It's insane. It's almost like he knows
<v Speaker 2>how much people are making, and he's manufacturing a reason
<v Speaker 2>for knowing that. But again, Hult's business. A big part
<v Speaker 2>of Holt's business, his whole life, no matter what he
<v Speaker 2>was doing, high school music, wrestling, is counting other people's money.
<v Speaker 2>How much? How much are they making? Oily? You know,
<v Speaker 2>like he wants to know how much they're making how much?
<v Speaker 2>Mind exactly because he wants to. When Hogan first told
<v Speaker 2>that same story in the eighties, Meltzer wrote about why
<v Speaker 2>he became a wrestler. He had it as two grand
<v Speaker 2>to three grand a week and it was ridiculous even then.
<v Speaker 2>Well he's ingesting for inflation, I'm sure, so apparently there's
<v Speaker 2>an I I wasn't able to find this earlier versions
<v Speaker 2>of Hogan telling this story about the bank. I also
<v Speaker 2>can't find any trace whatsoever of this Lilahs silver Wood
<v Speaker 2>ever existing. But you know, I'm sure she did. There
<v Speaker 2>are mentions if someone buy that name in Tampa newspapers
<v Speaker 2>in the sixties, but certainly you would think is the
<v Speaker 2>president of a bank in a major city like Tampa,
<v Speaker 2>her name would have ended up in the papers, like
<v Speaker 2>I don't know once, but I don't see anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>But it's bi centennial time seventy six, and for hulk Boss,
<v Speaker 2>as he puts it, this whole pattern of moving between
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll and hard labor was getting pretty old. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and he decided things started to click with Ruckus. All
<v Speaker 2>the elements had come together. They had good local musicians
<v Speaker 2>working in the group and kick ass guitarist heart Throb
<v Speaker 2>leads singer, top notch equipment, big gigs, sounding good, even
<v Speaker 2>some original songs. The crowd seemed to love more. People
<v Speaker 2>started coming to see them. Word spread everywhere, including that
<v Speaker 2>review a piece we read that Ruckus was this whole
<v Speaker 2>butt the next big thing, but certainly had promise, and
<v Speaker 2>he got that knack for interacting with the audience. That
<v Speaker 2>meant that he mentioned that kind of was the raw
<v Speaker 2>material that he used to become a successful pro wrestler.
<v Speaker 2>He'd step up to the mic, how's everyone doing tonight?
<v Speaker 2>We're Ruckus and we're gonna be rocking you straight through
<v Speaker 2>it to midnight, that kind of thing. He would say, Brother,
<v Speaker 2>who's here to cause a rocket? D I could kind
<v Speaker 2>of read their mood, and if we were having a lung,
<v Speaker 2>he'd come up with something crazy. Hey, it's time for
<v Speaker 2>a beer. Chugging contest. Well, I kind of knew how
<v Speaker 2>to read the right I was able to manipulate the crowd,
<v Speaker 2>pickle you're away to, kind of ah those highs and
<v Speaker 2>loves again, whatever it took to get everyone involved and
<v Speaker 2>having a great time. I had zero stage fright and
<v Speaker 2>actually enjoyed that part of the show as much as
<v Speaker 2>any of the music we played, if not more. He'll
<v Speaker 2>never forget one night in seventy six when when I
<v Speaker 2>looked out from the stage and I saw this towering
<v Speaker 2>blonde guy walk into the crowd. Who is it, boss? Uh,
<v Speaker 2>It's gotta be Billy, your superstar, Billy Graham, one of
<v Speaker 2>the top wrestlers from New York, This massive figure I've
<v Speaker 2>been watching on TV for years. I can remember the
<v Speaker 2>first time I saw him on TV, climbing up to
<v Speaker 2>the second turn buckle and facing the crowd with his
<v Speaker 2>arms up and those massive twenty two inch biceps. He
<v Speaker 2>looked inhuman. I remember thinking I want to be just
<v Speaker 2>like that guy someday. He looked like this golden god,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And here he was in the club listening
<v Speaker 2>to my band. He had his manager with him too,
<v Speaker 2>who I also recognized. This red haired humpty dumpty looking
<v Speaker 2>guy named Sir Oliver Humperdink. It's no mystery boss that
<v Speaker 2>Holt goes over to New York and becomes the man
<v Speaker 2>and runs everything and hires everyone, and suddenly how Oliver
<v Speaker 2>Humperdink has a job at WWF. It's serious, right, His
<v Speaker 2>name is the biggest WTF In the original Wrestlemandian interim game,
<v Speaker 2>ay is he he's managed. He's mentioned as the manager
<v Speaker 2>of Bam Bam Bigelow. Of course you can't see him,
<v Speaker 2>but when no, he doesn't on the game, but he's
<v Speaker 2>mentioned in it. I don't remember that. I remember who
<v Speaker 2>the fuck? I mean, I mean, even when you see him,
<v Speaker 2>who the fuck is that?
<v Speaker 8>Right?
<v Speaker 2>Even further, why like why is that piece of show?
<v Speaker 2>God fucking just the worst. We'll get to this eventually,
<v Speaker 2>but he does want you to know that Oliver Humperdink,
<v Speaker 2>that guy in that state would wear loafers with no
<v Speaker 2>socks in the Tampa heat, and the stink was on
<v Speaker 2>a different level. Listen, I mean you look at him,
<v Speaker 2>you look at that, you look at his physique, all right,
<v Speaker 2>all right, the guy, the guy walks around with just
<v Speaker 2>a layer of sweat like he's got you know, it's
<v Speaker 2>his ozone layer. Disgusting. It's just sweat around him all
<v Speaker 2>the time. Film yep. Oh, and it catches beads on
<v Speaker 2>the fucking hairs all over. It does smell good.
<v Speaker 1>No.
<v Speaker 2>Does he shower daily?
<v Speaker 9>No?
<v Speaker 2>No, if you catch him in between show, no, if
<v Speaker 2>you catch him in between showers, like, oh, forget it.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, look, the only the only time it's
<v Speaker 2>it's even, it's even close to right, is at like
<v Speaker 2>ten in the morning after he showered and he's eating
<v Speaker 2>breakfast after that. Forget it, You're done. It's just it's
<v Speaker 2>just gonna be uh the blend of flop a flop
<v Speaker 2>sweat potpourri, the blend right, the sweat and and b
<v Speaker 2>oh and onions fun and his oh and his body
<v Speaker 2>here is like twisted like it's been you know what
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Like it's like it's moist, it's.
<v Speaker 12>Moist, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's it's it's swirly
<v Speaker 12>yeah right right, all right, And there's just always a
<v Speaker 12>scent of onions after breakfasts.
<v Speaker 2>Not fair, all right, ash ash alone, right right, It's
<v Speaker 2>like you can smell salt meat and onions on them
<v Speaker 2>at all times. He smells. He smells like the food
<v Speaker 2>compartment of the mayflower. Yeah, he just just it's like
<v Speaker 2>it's like he put on food perfume. If on. That's next,
<v Speaker 2>by the way, I mean everything, all these cosmetics now,
<v Speaker 2>and these lotions, they all are apple crumble and pear
<v Speaker 2>prey lane and fucking you know, don't don't you want
<v Speaker 2>to smell like pecan pie. I know NeXT's gonna be
<v Speaker 2>fuckingburger fucking oh my god, disgusting secret sauce indeeds, fucking
<v Speaker 2>Pepperoni pizza scent fantastic. Well, when that day comes, we
<v Speaker 2>will be able to officially say that Sir Oliver Humperdink
<v Speaker 2>grew up in the wrong era. That would have been
<v Speaker 2>one free to that guy.
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.
<v Speaker 2>So if it's seventy six that Hulk places on the
<v Speaker 2>day when he laid eyes on Superstar Billy Graham walking
<v Speaker 2>through the club where he was performing, presumably in Ruckus,
<v Speaker 2>then this would have been the time that Superstar Billy
<v Speaker 2>Graham was tearing up Florida vis a vie. The biggest
<v Speaker 2>baby face to ever come through the territory the American Dream,
<v Speaker 2>Dusty Rhodes himself, who undoubtedly inspired Hulk's rap to an
<v Speaker 2>equal degree, if not his look as superstar Billy Graham did.
<v Speaker 2>It makes a ton of sense that this would have
<v Speaker 2>been one of the top feuds in the territory when
<v Speaker 2>Hulk was really coming of age and paying even closer attention,
<v Speaker 2>not just as a wide eyed kid go into the matches,
<v Speaker 2>but as someone who's becoming an adult and who's thinking
<v Speaker 2>about could I actually do this to actually what I
<v Speaker 2>might actually have a place in the wrestling business now.
<v Speaker 2>Billy Graham had met Dusty Roads back in the AWA
<v Speaker 2>when they were both working for verne Gania in Minneapolis
<v Speaker 2>in the early seventies. In fact, back when Dusty Roads
<v Speaker 2>was teaming with Dick Murdoch and Vern turned Billy Graham
<v Speaker 2>face by teaming him with Dusty Roads, just like kind
<v Speaker 2>of like Vince turned Hulk baby by teaming him with
<v Speaker 2>Bob Ecklind when he came in in nineteen eighty four.
<v Speaker 2>Sort of like you know, you come in and you
<v Speaker 2>associate yourself with a superstar that you help out, right,
<v Speaker 2>you come to the rescue of then you become the
<v Speaker 2>torch passed and the torch has passed to you. And
<v Speaker 2>Hulk was kind of turned in the same way in
<v Speaker 2>the AWA because remember Verne brought him in as a
<v Speaker 2>heel originally managed by Jimmy Valliant, which of course we'll
<v Speaker 2>get to. And it's so great to have that feeling
<v Speaker 2>as we go through this where it's like we'll get there,
<v Speaker 2>we'll get there. There's nothing we won't get to when
<v Speaker 2>we march through it chronologically. Aw a day's Memphis days,
<v Speaker 2>Continental Days, Georgia days, Japan Folks, It's it's going to be.
<v Speaker 2>It's all there. Like I know, we're spending a lot
<v Speaker 2>of time setting the table and in a sort of
<v Speaker 2>a research heavy archives have heavy look right now, but
<v Speaker 2>once we get to the era when Hogan's on video,
<v Speaker 2>this ship is going to be like so much fun.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Yeah, I mean this is all this
<v Speaker 2>is important. This is important because it is right. It's
<v Speaker 2>I you know, I don't even know how it plays out,
<v Speaker 2>but I know that this is the way. This is
<v Speaker 2>going to set up everything that we that we will
<v Speaker 2>discover and everything that we know and everything that we
<v Speaker 2>thought we exactly thought we knew. And when we lay
<v Speaker 2>eyes on Hull Cogan with a microphone in front of
<v Speaker 2>his face on the set of a studio wrestling show.
<v Speaker 2>When we lay eyes on Hull Cogan body slamming Andre
<v Speaker 2>the Giant at the Omni in Atlanta, seven years before
<v Speaker 2>he did it in Detroit, we're going to see flashes
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to be able to see so much
<v Speaker 2>more in Hulk Hogan because we're spending so much time
<v Speaker 2>talking about the birth of Terry Bolea and the birth
<v Speaker 2>of Hulco. We're gonna have a sense of rocket right.
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna see Ruckus when we look at him, just
<v Speaker 2>as much as we're going to see, you know, the
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties pop culture icon, and I think that's that's
<v Speaker 2>a very very good thing. So Dusty Roads and Billy
<v Speaker 2>Graham had a significant history and by the time nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy six y world around, Man, are they hitting a
<v Speaker 2>different gear because it's hopefully well understood by now that
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Graham and Vince McMahon Senior had a very good
<v Speaker 2>working relationship. Of course, the New York Florida connection is
<v Speaker 2>strong in so many ways in terms of you know,
<v Speaker 2>people in New York vacationing and summering in Florida. There's
<v Speaker 2>New Yorkers all over Florida, and in fact, the WWWF
<v Speaker 2>television would be piped down there and vice versa, so
<v Speaker 2>you didn't have to You're able to see a championship
<v Speaker 2>wrestling from Florida as a New York wrestling fan if
<v Speaker 2>you were able to go. So there's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>talent exchange. And this goes all the way back to
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Graham being ahead for Vince Senior in the fifties,
<v Speaker 2>teaming with Jerry Graham. It's at a time when the
<v Speaker 2>territory was kind of tag team based with you know,
<v Speaker 2>the likes of Antony Arroca and Spirous Arion and others
<v Speaker 2>in the main event picture at the Garden before the
<v Speaker 2>rise of Brunoso Martino in the mid sixties early to
<v Speaker 2>mid sixties. So there is a very strong connection between
<v Speaker 2>those two territories. And so when something took off and
<v Speaker 2>was drawing like Gangbusters in Florida, Vince Mcmahonsenior would bring
<v Speaker 2>it up to the Garden. And when Superstar Billy Graham
<v Speaker 2>was made WWWF champion, what better opportunity to bring Dusty Rhodes,
<v Speaker 2>the guy who dominated Florida, up to New York than
<v Speaker 2>to feud with Superstar Graham. And this is the program
<v Speaker 2>that Cody Rhoades would recall when talking about how it
<v Speaker 2>was his destiny to fulfill the missed chance that Dusty
<v Speaker 2>had to become WWF champion in Madison Square Garden. When
<v Speaker 2>he talks about closing that loop, he's talking about this
<v Speaker 2>superstar Billy Graham program in this era, this seventy six,
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven, seventy eight time frame, and to get a
<v Speaker 2>little flavor, because there's not really a lot that survives
<v Speaker 2>or anything that I was able to find that survives
<v Speaker 2>of Dusty and Billy Graham going back and forth on
<v Speaker 2>Florida television with promos. Here is a pair of promos
<v Speaker 2>from WWWF television when Billy Graham and Dusty Rhodes were
<v Speaker 2>set to go to the Boston Garden and have fucking
<v Speaker 2>given to another match in their series. And these are
<v Speaker 2>the promos, and this is the tone, and this is
<v Speaker 2>the essence that an impressionable, precocious Terry Bolea was absorbing
<v Speaker 2>about what pro wrestling was and could be.
<v Speaker 6>Author Right now, let's bring on the reigning Worldwide Rustling
<v Speaker 6>Federation Heavyweight Champion, the man who when he probably got
<v Speaker 6>back to the dressing room in Boston went because mister.
<v Speaker 7>Graham, you almost lost.
<v Speaker 2>I was sweating. As matter of fact, I was, as
<v Speaker 2>you know, very good and well.
<v Speaker 6>I was carried back to the locker room. The man
<v Speaker 6>literally buddly, physically and maliciously and viciously threw me over
<v Speaker 6>the top rope against the plexed glass use of the
<v Speaker 6>hock imagine and rub through practicing my fleen, and I
<v Speaker 6>was caredly physically drugged back to the locker room, and
<v Speaker 6>the belt was drugged behind me by the skin of
<v Speaker 6>my feet. I held on to this belt unaware that
<v Speaker 6>the American Dream was so vicious, unaware.
<v Speaker 7>That he meant business.
<v Speaker 6>But now now that I know he.
<v Speaker 5>Means business, I'm gonna be on the defense.
<v Speaker 2>That the Grand was a couple of my plan.
<v Speaker 6>Rightman, was defense, defense, defense, That's right, defense all the way.
<v Speaker 5>The Superstar and Eye are no aware of the viciousness
<v Speaker 5>that lies between the evil heart of Dusty rods Well,
<v Speaker 5>American Dream, You're going to be in for quite a
<v Speaker 5>surprise in thoughts then, because the Superstar and Eye do
<v Speaker 5>have the new strategy, and you, son of a plumber,
<v Speaker 5>gone down the drain, little tidy bowl man.
<v Speaker 1>The Grand wasn't in wrestling along with Superstar Billy Graham
<v Speaker 1>right now.
<v Speaker 5>We did indeed make reference to the rank number one
<v Speaker 5>contender earlier.
<v Speaker 8>Let's bring on the son of a plumber.
<v Speaker 2>Let's bring on a man who's dream.
<v Speaker 6>Appears to unquestionably be on the proper path to come true.
<v Speaker 6>I just was rapping before I come up here to
<v Speaker 6>probably one of the greatest athletes in our country today bought.
<v Speaker 2>Blackfoot and he told me, say, you know, he say,
<v Speaker 2>if they got a.
<v Speaker 6>Good defense, he said, you got the counter with a
<v Speaker 6>good offense. And it's very true, because the American dream
<v Speaker 6>is offenses. There, you know, I'm minded that way. I'm
<v Speaker 6>gared the offense just then, I'm glared to move, and
<v Speaker 6>I'm gared to jabbing. I'm gard to move, and I'm
<v Speaker 6>glared to take down. I'm good to taking superstars Billy
<v Speaker 6>Philly Graham's big twenty two inch arm in my hands
<v Speaker 6>and rip it up on it, and he be talking
<v Speaker 6>about I was hurt. You know what was hurt about
<v Speaker 6>Superstar Billy Graham.
<v Speaker 7>His feelings were hurt.
<v Speaker 2>His feelings were hurt, becausing when.
<v Speaker 4>They went home.
<v Speaker 6>He is here whoever he was with, say ball, you
<v Speaker 6>ought to be ashamed of yourself.
<v Speaker 1>I was letting that man up bone you like.
<v Speaker 6>That, and then it beat you half a dead. The
<v Speaker 6>weaver went out and got loaded on milk and everything
<v Speaker 6>was boom messed up.
<v Speaker 1>He didn't know what it was going on, what it
<v Speaker 1>was doing.
<v Speaker 6>The whole down was elected five. This don't happen full
<v Speaker 6>Doug Graham. We'll find the end of a rainbow.
<v Speaker 7>The dream will win involved.
<v Speaker 2>So dream. That's why I mean that. That's seventies wrestling
<v Speaker 2>right there. Yea, and just go, just sell the match,
<v Speaker 2>be be your gimmick and go and yep, yeah please.
<v Speaker 2>I mean Hulk never tried to do like the the
<v Speaker 2>accent like that, but a lot of the words if
<v Speaker 2>you break him down, they're in They're in a lot
<v Speaker 2>of Hulk's promos, and that's what he's absorbing. Very true,
<v Speaker 2>very true. You get that perspective from the other side.
<v Speaker 2>We go to Billy Graham's book and he remembers seventy
<v Speaker 2>six when Hulk says he saw Billy Graham in the
<v Speaker 2>club for the first time. On November twenty second, nineteen
<v Speaker 2>seventy six, Dusty he wrote, did the for me in
<v Speaker 2>West Palm Beach, relinquishing his Florida Heavyweight Championship. Eddie had
<v Speaker 2>given us a brilliant finish. Dusty submitted to my full nelson,
<v Speaker 2>then collapsed on the mat, adding it another dimension to
<v Speaker 2>our feud. So these are the things Hulk would be singing.
<v Speaker 2>Presumably inspired by Wahoo McDaniel, I designed my very own
<v Speaker 2>Indian strap with a motif reminiscent of the Navajo and
<v Speaker 2>Apoche symbols i'd seen in Arizona. This was never newer,
<v Speaker 2>rather than Wahoo's strip of leather, but I stained it
<v Speaker 2>to create an older, warned appearance. Dusty and I hot
<v Speaker 2>shot it all over the Sunshine State, flogging each other
<v Speaker 2>with the Indian strap, as well as in bull rope,
<v Speaker 2>cage and lumberjack matches in Tampa. In Tampa, fans were
<v Speaker 2>told that I was putting up my limo against Dusty's pickup,
<v Speaker 2>and we parked the vehicles grilled to grill in the
<v Speaker 2>parking lot to lend authenticity Like that one. There was
<v Speaker 2>a fan at the Fort Homer Hesterly Armory that night
<v Speaker 2>who i'd noticed before. Terry Boleya was a tall, skinny
<v Speaker 2>blonde guy who dressed in black leather and boots like
<v Speaker 2>a rocker from the ring. I'd see his big head
<v Speaker 2>hovering above the rest of the crowd, about ten rows
<v Speaker 2>back while everyone else was He sat there, transfixed, never darting,
<v Speaker 2>his eyes, dissecting my every move in facial gesture. His
<v Speaker 2>gaze was so piercing that occasionally I find myself looking
<v Speaker 2>back at him. One night at the Imperial Room, the
<v Speaker 2>nightclub where the boys hung out in Tampa, Terry approached me.
<v Speaker 2>I was seated, and he was standing towering over me.
<v Speaker 2>Like Jesse, Terry wanted to become a wrestler, but he
<v Speaker 2>felt like the local promoter in this case, Eddie Graham
<v Speaker 2>was shutting him out. Terry was frustrated, but not discouraged.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not taking no for an answer, he vowed. It
<v Speaker 2>was the first of many encounters. Another time, Terry confessed
<v Speaker 2>that he felt too thin for the square circle and
<v Speaker 2>asked Steve Strong and me about the types of steroids.
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, yeah, we used Come on, we're not on anything,
<v Speaker 2>Strong answered, looking the shooture icon shed in the eye Terry.
<v Speaker 2>Terry acknowledged the rib with a nod and a grin.
<v Speaker 2>Roller over to Ed Leslie's book. That means I know
<v Speaker 2>what you're saying means I'd pick up what you're throwing down. Dude, Yeah, yeah, dude,
<v Speaker 2>ed Leslie. The Imperial Room was a happening place. It
<v Speaker 2>was packed with ladies and loud music. I got in
<v Speaker 2>with a fake ID that Nat helped me get somewhere.
<v Speaker 2>I grabbed something to drink. The band was rocking. I
<v Speaker 2>saw Terry up on stage, pounding away in his bass guitar.
<v Speaker 2>He had a really neat style playing on a bass
<v Speaker 2>with no frets on it. Everything was really everything was
<v Speaker 2>very slide and slap and fun to watch. Scott patted
<v Speaker 2>me on the shoulder and pointed at the door. There
<v Speaker 2>by the bouncer. I saw a familiar bearded face with
<v Speaker 2>long locks of red flowing hair. He made his way
<v Speaker 2>through the sea of humanity and mosied up belly to
<v Speaker 2>the bar. Shit, there is that manager, Oliver Humperdink. Next
<v Speaker 2>thing you knew, joel Ado was walking in. Then the
<v Speaker 2>brisk Goes, and then even Dusty Rhodes. Eventually the club
<v Speaker 2>was full of wrestlers. I felt like a kid again.
<v Speaker 2>During the band's break, I rushed over to Terry to
<v Speaker 2>tell him about the wrestler's brother. Now was your chance?
<v Speaker 2>I said, Usually the wrestlers put on a show for us,
<v Speaker 2>but tonight they are here for yours. You should go
<v Speaker 2>up and tell them you want to wrestle. This is,
<v Speaker 2>by the way, ed Leslie taking credit for giving Hulk
<v Speaker 2>the idea to approach these wrestlers in the Imperial Room.
<v Speaker 2>You're right, he said. He rolled up his sleeves and
<v Speaker 2>walked over to Bob Rupe, who was hanging out drinking
<v Speaker 2>with Bob Orton at a table. Hey, Bob, do you
<v Speaker 2>like the music? Bob nodded, but didn't say much. I
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to let you know I'm also a big
<v Speaker 2>fan of you guys, and I would love to be
<v Speaker 2>a wrestler myself. One day, Rupe and Orton looked him
<v Speaker 2>up and down and nodded. I saw them talk for
<v Speaker 2>a few minutes. The next thing you know, Terry was
<v Speaker 2>taking down a number. The band played another set, and
<v Speaker 2>then Terry went up to get a drink at the bar.
<v Speaker 2>There was Mike Graham. They both walked out of the
<v Speaker 2>bar for a bit, and then Terry came back in elated.
<v Speaker 2>I rushed over to see what had happened. So what happened, man?
<v Speaker 2>I asked brother Bob rup hooked me up with Mike,
<v Speaker 2>and Mike is gonna set me up with Hero Matsuda. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>there it is. I'm going to go and train with
<v Speaker 2>him tomorrow. After my talk with Mike at the gym,
<v Speaker 2>I was surprised that he was going to help Terry out.
<v Speaker 2>It sounded to me like they had heat, but I
<v Speaker 2>figured they must have worked through it. That's awesome man, congratulations.
<v Speaker 2>And meanwhile in the Imperial Room in the crowd that night,
<v Speaker 2>it was Jack and Jerry Briscoe.
<v Speaker 10>Every Tuesday night. You know, when you go to the ring,
<v Speaker 10>you know, you kind of goo b ount the audience.
<v Speaker 10>You look around, you see if if you see familiar
<v Speaker 10>faces to kind of give them a nod and all
<v Speaker 10>that stuff. But we kept sending this young guy, that big,
<v Speaker 10>big young guy sitting about ten roads back right in
<v Speaker 10>the middle of the of the of the aisle, and uh,
<v Speaker 10>he sent the same place every Tuesday night. He had
<v Speaker 10>long bleached blond hair. Of course, everybody knows where I'm.
<v Speaker 3>Going with that.
<v Speaker 2>It was Terry Bowlet.
<v Speaker 10>So every Tuesday night we'd send We would save them
<v Speaker 10>on Wednesdaymorrow Wednesday morning for TVs or anything like that.
<v Speaker 10>But every Tuday night at the Army, we would see
<v Speaker 10>this guy. So we started to ask the question. I mean,
<v Speaker 10>we were stockholders in the Florida Championship rest. We're always
<v Speaker 10>on the look for, you know, for young, young, uh
<v Speaker 10>looking talent, so you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, we we got real carry.
<v Speaker 10>And so on one Tuesday night, we see this young
<v Speaker 10>lady that that Jack and I knew that worked at
<v Speaker 10>a bar, and she was a bartender at a at
<v Speaker 10>a local colleague bar. So we asked her, Hey, who
<v Speaker 10>is that big bodheaded guy out there that we see
<v Speaker 10>you talking to him? Oh, that's Terry. He works in
<v Speaker 10>a rock and roll band. I'm sure we're like to
<v Speaker 10>meet one.
<v Speaker 2>Is he playing?
<v Speaker 10>What are he playing next Thursday night? You know at
<v Speaker 10>the bar called rock Is out by the campus out there.
<v Speaker 10>So Jack and I just happened to be in a
<v Speaker 10>little spots show. I can't remember one spots show, but
<v Speaker 10>we got back in Tampa earlier, and of course we're
<v Speaker 10>two rastlers. That's hot summer night here in Florida. Let's
<v Speaker 10>go get a beer, so went away, Let's go, let's
<v Speaker 10>go out there. We're what I can't remember the young
<v Speaker 10>lady's name, but go out is that big guy rock
<v Speaker 10>and road guy playing. We called him the rock and
<v Speaker 10>road guy back in those things, so of course we
<v Speaker 10>will know all. So that's hill Man. But so we
<v Speaker 10>walk in this bar, colleague bar, and all these college
<v Speaker 10>kids around and everything in the great atmosphere. We look
<v Speaker 10>up on stage and there's Terry up there with that
<v Speaker 10>little bass guitar. Now Terry at that time and he
<v Speaker 10>was he was over three hundred pounds and then you know,
<v Speaker 10>of course six foot sick whatever. He he's a big guy.
<v Speaker 10>And he's standing there in average rock and roll guys
<v Speaker 10>about five foot six, and he about one hundred and
<v Speaker 10>sixty pounds. Here's Terry. Look it looks like he's holding
<v Speaker 10>a tooth pick, you know, playing that basicitar, and he
<v Speaker 10>just everybody else looks like like hornswoggle compared to pair
<v Speaker 10>to him. So we wait. We talked to the to
<v Speaker 10>the young lady, and during break time sent us up
<v Speaker 10>a little meeting we're like to talk to. So that's
<v Speaker 10>really how it all start. Of course, break time coming
<v Speaker 10>and we went to er, I know who you guys are,
<v Speaker 10>I think for coming out blah blah ah, that's uff.
<v Speaker 10>Hey y, yeah, we hear you're interested in me coming
<v Speaker 10>to rest He said, yeah, I'd love to be one.
<v Speaker 10>So he said, I've always watched wrestling, you know, I
<v Speaker 10>know I'm aware of the Graham's and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 10>Never met anybody like that, but okay, well, well let
<v Speaker 10>us try to set it set to well. Uh called
<v Speaker 10>and he told added what we're doing, and he gave
<v Speaker 10>us some blast. He go ahead, and he was always
<v Speaker 10>looking for talent. And so we contacted Hero.
<v Speaker 2>Hero.
<v Speaker 10>We got the big guy coming down. We won't see
<v Speaker 10>what he's got.
<v Speaker 2>Hero, we got this big guy coming in. We want
<v Speaker 2>to see what he's got. You might be wondering, might
<v Speaker 2>be wondering what did happen as ed Leslie described in
<v Speaker 2>the moment between he's seeing Hulk Hogan and the Imperial
<v Speaker 2>Lounge encouraging him to talk to these wrestlers who were
<v Speaker 2>turned out that evening, Hulk leaving the facility and then
<v Speaker 2>returning all bullish on his chances of becoming a pro wrestler.
<v Speaker 2>And how, if at all, does that intersect and interact
<v Speaker 2>with the story we just heard Jerry brisco tell, who was,
<v Speaker 2>of course, as you mentioned, not only a wrestler in
<v Speaker 2>the area, but a stockholder in the company and so
<v Speaker 2>very much tied into talent recruitment and anybody who looked
<v Speaker 2>like they might have some bucks off, spark in them
<v Speaker 2>and trying to recruit them into the wrestling world. According
<v Speaker 2>to Hulk Hogan and his second book, what happened in
<v Speaker 2>the interim between him leaving and coming back to the
<v Speaker 2>Imperial Room, HM was a meeting with Mike Graham, and
<v Speaker 2>it looked like this. Although he places it in a
<v Speaker 2>different place in time, I think these two stories are
<v Speaker 2>related to the same thing. In nineteen seventy six, Hulk writes,
<v Speaker 2>I started going down to the Fort Homer Hestually Armory
<v Speaker 2>for the matches every Tuesday night. I'd hang around the
<v Speaker 2>backstage door afterward like some groupie, just to see everyone.
<v Speaker 2>Then every Wednesday, they'd take matches during the day at
<v Speaker 2>the Sportatorium and I'd show up there. I got to
<v Speaker 2>be real friendly with this guy, Charlie Lay, who was
<v Speaker 2>like seventy an old wrestler himself, who worked at the
<v Speaker 2>front desk and always let me in. I had no
<v Speaker 2>idea how obnoxious I was. I have fans now who
<v Speaker 2>come up to me all the time and say, hey, Hogan,
<v Speaker 2>I've been working out for three years. I want to
<v Speaker 2>get into the ring. Look at me, I could be
<v Speaker 2>the next Hulk Cogan. I just roll my eyes and
<v Speaker 2>can't wait to get away from some of these people.
<v Speaker 2>You know in the business, we call these guys marks.
<v Speaker 2>They're pretty much looked at his fools. You can put
<v Speaker 2>a beating on if you're so inclined. And here I
<v Speaker 2>was showing up saying I was going to be the
<v Speaker 2>next superstar Billy Graham. Every single day. I didn't feel
<v Speaker 2>like a mark though. Like I said, I was following
<v Speaker 2>my gut. I knew I wasn't necessarily the toughest guy
<v Speaker 2>in the building. But I knew that if I had
<v Speaker 2>to do smoke and mirrors, showmanship, calculating and planning. There's
<v Speaker 2>that word boss math calculating, yep, and there is math.
<v Speaker 2>If it had anything to do with strategy, I could
<v Speaker 2>be really good at it. I could see that wrestling
<v Speaker 2>was as much show business as anything else. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>even know what the word entertainment meant back then, but
<v Speaker 2>it turns out I had innate understanding of what it
<v Speaker 2>means to entertain You didn't know the word entertainment and
<v Speaker 2>you went to college and many ways in many ways.
<v Speaker 2>I understood the meaning of that word better than a
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who'd been in the wrestling entertainment business
<v Speaker 2>their entire lives. Only no one believed me. After weeks
<v Speaker 2>of not shutting up telling everyone in town that I
<v Speaker 2>was going to be a wrestler, Mike Graham finally pulled
<v Speaker 2>me aside. I knew Mike and high school and never
<v Speaker 2>liked the guy. He was older and didn't think much
<v Speaker 2>of me. He made that clear from day one. His father,
<v Speaker 2>Ready Graham, was a wrestling promoter, and by this time
<v Speaker 2>Mike liked to think of himself as a bona fide wrestler.
<v Speaker 2>He was all muscled up and thought he was big
<v Speaker 2>news on the wad wrestling scene. So we're outside of
<v Speaker 2>the Sportatorium on this roasting hot day and Mike Graham
<v Speaker 2>takes me to his van. So Hulk remembers this as
<v Speaker 2>being a Wednesday at the Sportatorium, not at the Imperial Room.
<v Speaker 2>But I think Brutus kind of remembers this story and
<v Speaker 2>puts it in the Imperial Room. That's happening. Okay, Well,
<v Speaker 2>who do we believe? Who do we believe? That's the question.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think who's telling the truth. You stumped me.
<v Speaker 2>You know why, because you will not find and he
<v Speaker 2>did plenty of shoot interviews Mike Graham recounting this story
<v Speaker 2>once anywhere. Yes, he will not find this, but so
<v Speaker 2>did it ever happen? It must be one hundred and
<v Speaker 2>twenty degrees in that van. He sits me on the
<v Speaker 2>floor and he's sitting on the hump between the front
<v Speaker 2>seats talking down to me. So you want to be
<v Speaker 2>a wrestler, he says, you've been telling everyone you want
<v Speaker 2>to be a wrestler. Well, I'll tell you right now.
<v Speaker 2>The first thing you ought to know is that you
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be telling people you want to be a wrestler.
<v Speaker 2>Mike made it. Kulk tells the story elsewhere in his book,
<v Speaker 2>which we'll mention next time, where he get to see
<v Speaker 2>Oliver Humperdink and gets to know him and thinks hanging
<v Speaker 2>around Humperdink. He gets to see Oliver Humperdink and then
<v Speaker 2>walks out the door says, you know what this is
<v Speaker 2>lot for me? He thinks hanging around Humperdink is going
<v Speaker 2>to make him the connect. But the problem is people
<v Speaker 2>didn't really like Humperdink, so being around him was not
<v Speaker 2>going to connect him to the actual power brokers in
<v Speaker 2>Florida that would make the connection. Now, this whole thing
<v Speaker 2>that they didn't want him there and they were trying
<v Speaker 2>to like scare him off, is the completely antithetical to
<v Speaker 2>the fact that Jerry Briscoe says that he just saw
<v Speaker 2>Hogan on the stage and wanted to recruit him into
<v Speaker 2>the business. And he's a fucking shareholder in the office.
<v Speaker 2>So what's what's it going to be. Is it going
<v Speaker 2>to be Hulk is begging to get into the business
<v Speaker 2>and they keep saying no. Or is it going to
<v Speaker 2>be someone saw money in him and shepherd him into
<v Speaker 2>the business after learning he had a centil of enthusiasm
<v Speaker 2>for it. I think, I know it's one I side on,
<v Speaker 2>but here's the yawn. It's being spun. Hogan writes, Mike
<v Speaker 2>made it perfectly clear that no one talked about the
<v Speaker 2>secrets of wrestling. If somebody said wrestling was fake, you
<v Speaker 2>get punched out. That's no exaggeration. You have to remember
<v Speaker 2>it was the nineteen seven who was barbaric. There were
<v Speaker 2>no lawyers, no PC police. They got no lawyers, no
<v Speaker 2>no lawyers, no PC police, no no laws for that matter.
<v Speaker 2>What is the fucking wild West? What is this fucking
<v Speaker 2>you know?
<v Speaker 4>Uh?
<v Speaker 2>Once upon a time in the West, Jesus Christ. Once
<v Speaker 2>upon a time in West Tampa. There wasn't anybody suing anybody.
<v Speaker 2>So if you said to a wrestler after a match, hey,
<v Speaker 2>that was a great show, the wrestler would just flatten you,
<v Speaker 2>push you in the hospital if you could. I'm listening
<v Speaker 2>to this guy who never thought much of me and
<v Speaker 2>who I still didn't like, and he's taken this authoritative tone.
<v Speaker 2>He's lecturing me like he's my dad or something. Then
<v Speaker 2>something surprising happened. Wait, brother, are you my dad? Who's
<v Speaker 2>my dad?
<v Speaker 4>What?
<v Speaker 2>Dad? That's Mike trying to find Eddie. Then something surprising happened.
<v Speaker 2>Instead of sending me away, Mike invited me to come
<v Speaker 2>back and get some training. I'm gonna set you up
<v Speaker 2>with a guy named Hero Matsuda. Mike said, be here
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow next time. On the complete Hull cogin Hero Matsuda,
<v Speaker 2>Who's the true Hero the role he played in the
<v Speaker 2>transition from Terry Boleya to Hull Cokain Nelson as a.
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