Club 520 - John Lucas III on Derrick Rose Bulls era, LeBron James DUNKING on him, Kobe Bryant story

The volume. 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.360 All right, man, we're back another wonderful episode of Club 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:09.520 four twenty podcast. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:11.039 I'm the host. My name is DJ Willis. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.760 We in Chicago with It, special guests in the building. Man, 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.279 we been waiting for this episode. Man, ain't even a guess. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.320 It's like family. We got a lot to talk about. Man, 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.520 we want to introduce my man's last to my far left, 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:22.840 I got my dog. But should be hearing out the pearls. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.480 How you was nasty, nasty and the shot. Let's get 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.640 to it maybe for the show in the shot one 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:29.520 time to Jay, Look, listen, we know your full game 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.960 always been proper. But you know this man known for 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:33.960 Have you ever seen the black forces with the white 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:34.680 laces before? 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:36.440 I've never seen that. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:38.919 I get your look with you about nine. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:49.160 Like my son. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.440 Let you know, I'm gonna take care of a little 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:54.120 no worry about. 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.279 I got it, got the black nashs. On to my right, 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.160 my dog, young natcho, young teag. How you are chilling, bro? 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.520 We got we got family in the building for real. Bro. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.000 We in Chicago with it, you know, supporting some of 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.679 our other brothers, supporting d Rose, our guy. But we 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.720 got my brother in the building. Bro, unless you do 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.280 the honors. But I'm geek for this episode. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:13.840 For Shure Man. We've been waiting for this episode. Man, 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.800 come on, Man, decade plus professional man, the best. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.440 Walk on ever to doing the n C A Man. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.440 We got a lot to talk about, a lot to 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.440 talk about today, Man, J L three, j'all looks at 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.039 third coach, look, appreciate your slide on. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:26.720 This big dog, and thank you for having me. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:27.240 For sure. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.559 We've been we've been waiting for this episode ever since 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:34.399 the Minnesota stories came out. This request the guests. Man, listen, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.240 we got lots to talk about. But first I want 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.280 to talk about how y'all first met. That's so let's 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.759 go to your order story first. Well, you know I've 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:41.240 met him. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.280 By busting, you know, killing polls, almost going crazy about killing. 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.040 When I was a rookie the Hawks, we didn't have 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:49.560 summer league. 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.559 We had many camps, right, so we had a mini 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.320 camp and they had some veterans coming. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:54.400 He was a veteran of the league. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.360 He was you know, he was trying to work his 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:57.960 way on the team, will make the Hawks team a 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.600 roster or whatever it was with mini camp and it 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.120 was my rookie year. I never been to the NBA nothing, 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.200 and me and him got in a battle. So we 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.280 get to playing, me and him, going back and forth. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.400 He giving me the blues. I'm doing my thing. At 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:12.679 the end of the day, I ended up getting the 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:13.200 best of him a. 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.280 Little bit, right, But in the middle of the game, 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:16.560 this nigga started coaching me. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:18.760 This is what I knew. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.640 He was gonna be my guy. He's gonna be a coach. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:22.639 I'm going away. I'm doing my. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.680 Thing, calling picking rolls. He's like a young fella when 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.640 you when you go on that pick and roll and 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:29.640 you goring it, don't. 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.079 Turn your head because I'm just gonna blow. I'm gonna 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:31.600 blow by you. 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.160 I'm looking at this nigga like, man, what like we're 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:36.040 playing against each other. 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.240 I'm like, who this nigga talking to him? 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.160 So I go to Red Dolph Morris right, I'm like, 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.240 who is this nigga? He was like, no, he can 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.720 play man, this nigga Nah. Then the rest of the day, 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.280 this nigga just kept talking to me. That's how I 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:49.800 met this nigga. He was killing though I ain't going 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:55.800 ahead on either. I had about fifty though. That's fat Okay. 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.519 You know you get drafted, you get take every shot. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:02:59.280 You want to that's the fact. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.600 You get to take every shot you want to take. 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.680 So I just like I remember because I was like, 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.040 you know, we all had to pull up in the 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.520 little van of the busted pickles of a hotel here. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.400 It's like maybe I think I'm like maybe five. I'm 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.600 going through my sixth year. And he pulled up and 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.200 he got he brought himself a brand new dies challenging. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:27.839 He called it a dope boy card. My man, look 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.799 at this little I said. I used to always try 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.680 to find something if I had to go against somebody, 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.640 like if I didn't know him, I had to find 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.920 something I didn't like about him for me to like, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.520 just like what I don't like about him, which is 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.880 gonna make me like when we step on that corner 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.040 turn up. So I just like off me. I was like, oh, 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:52.240 his swagger is like to like. I was just like, 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.440 it's swag. Like he's walking down. You know, he had 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.600 little little speakers in the trunk, like that's cute. You 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:58.600 know we've been doing that. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:03:59.840 You know what I'm saying. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.720 You know he doing this and doing that. He walked 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.200 out he acting like he don't acknowledge like the old heads, 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.520 you know, and we have we had some hitters in 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.040 there though, like the guys who like Literfi, who was 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.320 like probably on the edge, like I was just like 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.120 six years in like I said, but we had guys 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.760 that was at like ten twelve years that still trying 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.640 to fight, still could play. But everybody know when the lead, 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.240 the older you get, the more you kind of get weeded. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:26.039 Out, right. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.039 So once I started seeing that, I just started playing 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:33.839 the game. I was like, all right, cool, Like I know, 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.880 I probably ain't gonna make the min you know, make 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.120 the Atlanta Hawks team. You know, they drafted tea point guards, 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.840 they had Mike Bbie Steele. Who else was on You 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.760 had nothing, Jamal, you know what I'm saying. So it's 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:46.520 just like, okay, it's a mini cap. Let me just 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:51.120 do what I gotta do whatever, get up out of here. 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.520 So once I seen Woody, he was like mad him 0:04:55.560 --> 0:05:00.480 take every kind of shot. I'm like like, damn, Like 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:04.000 if he like he wanted to like turn backwards from 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:05.720 the three and throw it like this, it wasn't gonna 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.320 say nothing. I'm like, oh, they really gonna try to 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.640 build this team around this young you know, young boy. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.000 So I'm like, all right, let me figure it out. 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:18.440 And my dad always taught me change lives, you know, 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.440 paying forward, and I was like, he fast, stupid athlete. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.839 I got a crazy right there, like Craig, Like he 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.960 kept hitting me with this one simple move. I could 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.560 never stop. Always bid on the crossover and it was 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.440 a step back to the three jumper too. But his 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:40.520 pick and roll game was trash. He didn't know the game. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.960 He was a one on one player. So in the 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.520 picking roll, I just started we icing it. He turning 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.720 the ball over, and I was like, yeah, I'm just 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.039 gonna start talking. Turned them up because I was like, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.159 I'm basketball to me is eight percent mental to physical. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.520 So I was trying to rookie ain't never been in 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.000 no situations. I'm getting that, like, yo, we icing him. 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.840 He ain't got it. No, man pulled over, he turned 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.480 them he turned it over, lefting right now, damn. And 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.000 so then I was like I felt kind of bad 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:07.520 because I'm getting frustrated. 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.680 Fifty no no, no, no, no no no. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.040 You had fifty off, like twenty five free they started 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:22.000 cing now he took about twenty five free thoughts and 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:26.880 then the other twenty five was legit. The other was legit. 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:28.720 I would tell you what start and they had y'all 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.360 had that big slow dude on y'all. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.680 Yeah, I was in no win situation, a big man 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.520 situation by him. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.480 I figured it out. I was like, oh the icy, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.360 I'm just keep the ball in the middle of the floor. 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.080 You know, yeah, I can't. I But what I noticed was, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:48.279 I was like for him to have like longevity, right, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.320 and you could see it, like you can see like 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.600 Mike Bibi was on his way out older, you know 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.600 what I'm saying. He was, And I'm like, it would 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:01.039 be selfish of me not to like it for help 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.680 help somebody else along the way, because that's what Nick 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.760 Naxley did for me, That's what I did for me. 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.400 That's what Bubba Chuck did for me. West Side Tennis Club, 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.200 Houston text everybody used to come to Houston to train 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.400 in the summertime. So as a high schooler, it was 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.640 who I'm playing again, and they did the same thing 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.360 to me, and I just was like, I got to 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.720 pay it forward. So I did it with Tyas Jones, 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.240 I did it with t I try to do it 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.360 with Chris Dunn, you know what I'm saying. So it's 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:34.040 just like for me, I was like, I know, I 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.080 know I can go to bed at night and lay 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:37.800 my head down the pillow and be like, Yo, did 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.320 I get did I was? Was I better today? Did 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.480 I get somebody else better as well? And that was 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.480 and that was just that was just my way of like, 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.200 because I want no superstar in the league, you know 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:49.800 what I mean. But my whole thing was like I 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.640 wanted to play ten years in so I got to 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.520 be that locker room guy. I gotta be that guy 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:57.680 that's always ready. So when the opportunity presented itself, I 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.960 was ready and that's I took full advantage of it 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.560 here playing for Chicago Bulls. Those two and a half 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.360 years I was here was probably the best years I 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:10.720 had besides the Pistons year. I came in and I 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:11.400 just stay ready. 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.640 We got to talk about let's start to the origins 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.880 of it. You gave us an interest before recording. You 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.280 never play AU basketball. 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:23.720 You already played one tournament and AU is the eight 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:29.800 was it uh out in Vegas, Adidas big time and 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.240 I didn't play. I played for this team called the 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:40.240 Houston Superstars John Yury, they had TJ. Ford, Daniel ewing Room. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.400 But I played tennis in the summer. So I was 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.960 top fifte in the country in tennis. Every every weekend 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.959 I was playing in the tennis tournament. Everybody else was 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:56.360 playing basketball. But this year I was just like, all right. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.640 I told my dad. I was like, man, I want 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.400 to play. Yeah, I do both. He didn't want me 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.199 to quit tennis. My dad didn't really want me playing basketball. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.400 He wanted me to play tennis, like, yo, you little motherfucker, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.400 you're only five. It's gonna be so hard for you 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.720 to make it. And I was just like, yeah, but 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.560 this is what I love. So I quit tennis one 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:22.280 day Like this though, I go back, Man, you know 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:27.520 what's crazy, play tennis. That's what like I said, And 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.320 that's who trained my pops. So my people don't realize 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:34.480 my pops played professional tennis. And yeah, and he won 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.559 the n C Double A tournament and the n C 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.480 doubles and he won the singles. He a national championship 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.520 in tennis and while he was at University of Maryland, 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:47.320 and the one pick. So for me, my dad loves tennis. 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.840 So when I picked up tennis. It was for because 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.560 I was living in Philadelphia at the time. I was 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.160 a kid that never wanted to be in the house, 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.960 like if they was outside playing street hockey. I learned 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.599 how to ride skates and play hockey, played the cross. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.160 I never wanted to be in the house. I just 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.079 wanted to be active. So when my dad found out 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.199 I was gonna go out for the tennis team, bro, 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.320 he turned into a monster, like the way that kids 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.880 trained now for basketball. We was like that for tennis, 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:22.319 like Serena, Daddy worse, damn Pops. Yeah, you know what 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.800 I'm saying, Like, imagine playing tennis with a forty pound 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:29.240 weight Benstone, damn and hell. And he knew I loved basball. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.559 So when he was like, it's all going transition, but 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.199 he knew it's all gonna make sense. Trust the process. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.679 That's all he's to say. So now, lateral movement angles. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.840 All basketball is geometry. All Kyrie do is just geometry, 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.400 just angles on the glass. We're doing that in tennis. 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.160 Tops me in slice. If you're hit, if I if 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.320 I overhead and he goes to the right, just know 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.320 the whole left hand side of the court gonna be over. Now, 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.160 I got my bad hand going cross court, I got 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:55.160 my forehand run around. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:55.440 Nigga. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.760 We play tennis, but I played on the video game. 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:07.760 You know, it all translates, it translated, it all translates 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.120 over the basketball though. It all translates over the basketball. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.080 So then the game of the basketball game starts slowing 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:18.199 down to me. And I was like, oh, you know what, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.760 if I'm having a bag a bad match in tennis, 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.360 now I got tap into my psychic I gotta wheel 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.040 my way into like whatever I got going on tennis, 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.760 I gotta because I don't have four other players to 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.400 depend on to get me out this home. But now 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.320 in basketball, if I'm having a bad game, I can 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.880 lean on somebody. So Tennant tell me with my mental 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.000 game to where I could wield my way to be like, 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.120 let's check the boxes. I'm missing a couple of shots. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.240 It's my elbow tucked in. I got a pincake goose neck, like, 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.520 I just start checking the boxes and then I would creak. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.920 I would correct whatever mistakes I'm making. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.440 Crazy, I'm gonna say that because even when you helped 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.680 me my rookie year, but then when I see you 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:58.800 throughout the league, then when I got with you in Minnesota, 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.520 like I know I'm skipping ahead. We want to talk 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.679 about your journey. But when I got to Minnesota, you 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.680 know I was I was turned like, and you like, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:11.079 yo's get some extra shots. I'm like, nigga, no, no, 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.480 I didn't come here for extra shots. I can't here 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.440 to pass about the Jimmy and Wiggy Cat. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.280 But you like, come on by. 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:18.720 You got locked in on what we're gonna be good 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.920 is if you do this. And then that first year 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.720 I was doing that ship with you and we had 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.240 a good season. Jimmy got hurt, but we was having 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.840 a successful season. And then you was like you're too 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.280 you gotta keep going and like you would push me 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.320 in the de I seen you doing it with de Rose, 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.480 and like your mental always just been different. I'm I'm like, 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.160 I'm gonna show love to that because obviously Tennison helped 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.480 you a lot. So maybe I should start putting some 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:42.600 people in tennis on my team. 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.280 Not just for me, it's more like for me, it's like. 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.559 We needs. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.240 No for me. I think I think I saw something 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.880 in you that you didn't really see yourself. I think 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:58.680 you was already kind of planning your exit and in Minnesota, 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:00.960 I'm like, bro, you got about food five years left. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:02.400 And I would be like nah. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.840 I was like, don't let these people discourage you and 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.440 have you have you be in a role that ain't 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.400 really you, Like, yeah, you gotta play the game. But 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.400 I said, Yo, this ship don't move without you. You 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.520 are starting PG the point guard control everything the FU 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.520 And he I'm like, yo, you don't realize you can 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.000 get another big deal, I said. He to say that, 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.800 I said, bro, you can sign another eighty ball. His 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.200 goofy self used to be like, man, I'm cool. I 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:33.320 got I'm straight, and I'm like, yep, I'm like, what's 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:40.040 wrong with you? They giving money out too comfortable. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.600 But when I when we started, like when it started happening, 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.280 and I started caring, like we're doing these workouts. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.640 I'm gonna come off the bench, remember the bench. I'm 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.959 gonna get another bagby the six man I was hooping. 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.240 Then I get hurt. I said, what the fuck? He 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.880 was like, see when you play with the game, the. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:03.440 Basketball guy, I'm dig on that. 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:05.240 I'm that I never disrespected the game. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:06.959 Yeah, and I was disrespecting it. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.040 And then when I tried to get serious, and he like, yeah, 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:09.679 we locked in. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.560 I get hurt. It's like, damn, but. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.319 We got back right. We got back right. But I 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.640 was a see my pops raised me and my whole 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:20.840 me and my brother and my sister that he raised 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.200 us on principals. Yeah, and he was like, you never 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.360 want to disrespect the game host. So like when my 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.920 teammates in high school, they all wanted to wear hot socks. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.320 I never wore high socks before. I always wore like 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.880 either ankle sace or little crew. So I was like, 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.400 I'm gonna wear hot socks because the whole team wearing it. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.320 I want to be a team player. Yeah, what did mama? 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:45.840 He crazy, like he crazed, like, so we warming up. 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:47.680 You see, I got high socks on. He walked in 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.240 the middle of the court. I was like, what you doing, 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.680 Go put your socks on. Damn, I'm a junior in 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.640 high school. I'm like a junior in high school. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.840 And nobody gonna say the pops not damn. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.800 Nobody said, And I was like all right, but he 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.520 was like, don't be no followed. But he was also 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.600 saying that's that's that's not you. So now mentally you're 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.320 not even ready to play because you're so worried about 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:14.920 how you look and making sure you fit in with 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.000 everybody else that you ain't even ready to go seek 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.360 and destroy. That was his whole thing. This whole thing 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:24.080 was like my print. I think it was protect. His 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.280 thing was protect my last name every game. You used 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:27.880 to tell me that. 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:32.600 Yeah, yeah, that's a hell of a lineage, though, tell me. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.600 That because I didn't play au like I said, so, 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.400 I'll go back. So when I played high school back, 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.720 I only played basketball for four and a half months. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:40.760 When did you get cold? 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:52.000 I always been cold? I'm telling you. You know you 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.920 was doing good. No, I've always been called listen. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.840 I understand that, bro, I'm understand. When did you be like, damn, 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:01.640 I can do this? You feel me? 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.760 You was Arthur to day. I came out my mom. 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.120 Then that's what I knew I was called. I came 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.520 out like this, that's my daddy. I came out with 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.520 my hand form like this. They got pictures what you 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.200 call when you make that dog sneeze. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.400 My neighborhood? You said, make that dog. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.480 You know you know that made that You ever heard 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:28.000 of dogs sneeze before? No? So every time I shoot, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.000 that's the next I'm a country boy. 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.840 I understand that. I was saying, when when did you 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.240 have to feel like? Damn, I can do this for real, like. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.240 My whole life. I'm telling you. 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:39.680 What you gotta tell. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.360 You gotta say how you grew up because he grew 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:43.160 up differently than. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.480 You. Don't really, I let the whole stadium scoring. I 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.840 got what year every year I played? 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.880 He went to He went to bell there like real life. 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.800 I was a fresh principal there before real smith one 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.640 of them bullshit. School's a public school. See. People always 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.360 thought I grew up in a private school. My pops 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.800 won't for that. We published I'm a public school. Will 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:13.240 So will So. Bel Air is like, yeah, the bel 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.800 Air is like the Baylor you would think of. I 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:17.919 grew up nurse. I grew up next to the iron people, 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.240 next to the Chevron people, ex people. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:23.520 We was good. 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.280 What year did you play with America? All through high school? 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.119 We graduated all one together. Okay, he zoned to my school. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:32.800 I had Lawrence Roberts. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:33.600 I don't know if you remember. 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:36.880 We end up going to Baylor Gain We always zoned 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.520 to the same school. See my school, My school is 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.520 a public school. But like bel Air, people think I'm 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.639 from the suburbs, I'm from the center of the city. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.000 But we are own city inside of the inside of Houston. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.000 But when you go over here, every school we played 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.600 was in the hood. Madison with Vince Young went, that's 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:58.159 herm Clark. We had Sterling, Worthing, little Flip with the 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.199 Worth and that sunny side shot. All our schools was 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.680 in our district was all hood schools. We only had 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.399 one other school that's kind of like because that was 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.520 La High School. Who went there, Lawrence Robertson, transferring our 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.919 freshman year and he went to our rival school. But 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.959 they had a guy out there named Corey Smith who 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.240 end up playing at Vanderbilt in the SEC. He was 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.520 nice too, so we had a lot of hoopers. 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.200 How was that playing with the mcado? But was he 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:21.920 always good? 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.840 He was trash? He was he was. He was trashed 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:31.000 like the greatest big ever. He was trash. Our fresh 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.840 he won't trash, but he couldn't. He was uncoordinated, but 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:39.080 he wanted to be a doctor. He's smart. He graduated 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.720 our junior year in high school, he already graduated, so 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.600 our senior year he was taking courses for college already, 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:47.600 so make it was smart. He he didn't think about 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.439 even playing in the NBA. He didn't think that. He 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.600 was like, I'm just gonna use basketball and get into 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.040 medical school. Like get into that's crazy. That so my 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.359 dad one day, because I always did player development. My 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.040 dad trained my whole life. 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:01.639 He was. 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.440 He was in my life though. You know, it don't 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.960 matter if he had a job in Denver. I used 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.120 to be all fly for the weekends to Denver, and 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.000 I'm practicing with the team. Are I'm practicing with n 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.880 like I'm working out? So A Mecca ended up going 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:20.120 from being like six four in freshman year to six 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.440 seven our sophomore year. Then he kept going my dad 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.479 one day, come home. He was like, a Mecica, you' 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.240 a pro. He was like, you got a chance to 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.720 make eighty million. He said, you got a chance to 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.160 make eighty million and a Mecicas oh, and then even 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:37.919 a Mecca Dad didn't see. He was like, no, he 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.239 need to focus on his books. He gonna be an 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.840 engineer adopted, you know, he not. You know, so that's 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:44.240 what they think. 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:44.840 Man. 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:46.840 We get to our junior year, he started playing with 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.679 the Houston Hoops having success summertime. Every day we in 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.600 the gym six am. I used to go pick him 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.159 up from from his place. Pops had us. It was 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.400 the workouts was crazy because it'll be me a Mecca. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:06.679 Lawrence Daniel Ewing, T J Ford, Carlos Hurt, Phiel Williams, 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:11.840 guys you don't know of like that, and and it 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:13.960 was like my Papa's like, yeah, they better than you. 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:14.760 And I used to be like. 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:17.160 Better than you. 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:23.159 They were, but at the time my mental game was 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.320 like I'm the best, I'm the best thing on the court, 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.240 but aren't. But I didn't realize what my pops is doing. 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.960 Iron Shoppers aren't. So we was all getting each other better. 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.879 Were at the same time, we was all kind of 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.320 dissating each and each one of our games, so we 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.200 was gonna all play against other at one point. 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.119 Yeah, that's an interesting you say with that, just like 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.240 you're talking about both your obviously coach and you see 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.720 it now like a lot of kids now duck that competition. 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.280 Back then, y'all had their brass. How do you kind 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:52.440 of translate that now for kids? 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.280 It's just like you at some point you have to 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.920 show up and play against the top man. 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:01.200 You know what, kids scared a competition. Now kids are 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.159 so worried about if they're gonna get posted on social media. 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:09.879 Kids are scared of being embarrassed. I grew up to 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.960 where if you ain't been dunked on, crossed over, or embarrassed, 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:15.280 you ain't playing at a high level. 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:16.720 That's real. 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.560 So all my best friends aren't from the neighborhood I'm from. 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:23.679 All my best friends are from the other side of 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.480 the tracks. Yeah, that's where the best ball is at. 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.520 So when I used to leave high school, I'm in Sunnyside, 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.439 I'm in third ward, I'm in fifth word. That's what 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.520 the ball is. It didn't matter. I wasn't worried about 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.800 going over there. I won't worried about It's like, it's basketball, 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.680 it's a universal language. Now. I knew how to conduct 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:43.760 myself when I was over there. So where I can 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.240 you know, I can come back, you know, get back 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.520 to the crib. But at the end of the day, 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.920 like I wasn't gonna get better playing against my neighbors. 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.480 Are are staying in my neighborhood while I'm playing against 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.520 Billy and Tommy and John. I had to go and 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:03.040 play against against Tyree Wait Caref or somebody like that 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:09.600 at thet But I'm just using like at that game. 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.879 But I'm just saying, no, no, I'm just using that 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.639 name as an example. I'm saying I had to go 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.960 play against like a Kareem or or somebody like that, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:24.119 because no, no, not right kre like that that. But 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:25.800 I'm just saying I had to go. I had to 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.600 go what the kids called trenches. Now, I had to 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:31.440 go get that so I can get better at basketball. 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.720 I don't know it just you know me. 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:46.840 I'm just gonna say, yeah, you know me, I'm gonna 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:48.520 speak that's the name that popped up in my head. 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:52.000 I just said, But that's why I got better at 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.080 I don't know. That's like, I'm not even I wasn't 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:58.119 even thinking about the football player what I'm saying that. 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.520 I was just saying the name under saying the name. 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.639 But that's why I got better at and am you 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.960 know you and Daniel the same class though we all 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.560 one class. He probably had the best class coming out 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:16.400 of the United States, the one. It's oh, I'm saying 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:21.280 that year Texas as a state seven had the coldge class. 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:26.800 My little Oh yeah, yeah, little bro McDonald's American. Yeah yeah, 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.720 we can talking. You know, that's the first thing. 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If 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:02.320 it wasn't bad that, who was it gonna be? 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.600 I really run need to go to Texas A and M. 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:14.080 And I remember I verbally committed to Coach Watkins at 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:15.639 Texas and Him. I said but I don't want to 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:19.200 sign early because I want to make sure my guys 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.880 that I came in as a freshman. They all get 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.560 scholarships as well. But me and a meccha ogle for 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.600 signed early. Ain't no more schools gonna come to our game. 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.800 So my pops, my pop set us down. So we 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:32.760 talk of Mecca because he was supposed to go to 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:34.720 Georgia Tech originally. 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:35.720 I could see that though. 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.760 So he was supposed to go to Georgia Tech originally. 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.480 So every time I see coach he out of LA 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.040 because you know he's part of the Ontario Clippers. He 0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:45.080 get mad at me because I had a mecha ogle 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.200 for it to you and your daddy taught him not 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.320 to sign out. So that's when Yukon came in. But 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:53.720 my dad was like, bro, y'all came in like everybody 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.080 got to eat. Everybody need to So he was like, 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:59.200 y'all don't sign early. Y'all gonna have all the colleges 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:01.440 still come in. And after that, I took a visit 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:05.280 to fam you because if I wouldn't wanted to fam you, now, 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:07.040 if I took a visit fan, that was gonna get 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.359 one of my teammates a scholarship just for me coming 0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.480 on campus, and by far, and by far, that was 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:13.880 the best visit I ever took it in my life. 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:20.000 A right to state right across the street. 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:20.400 You know. 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.960 But my pops is all about you bring somebody along, 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:25.919 which you never and that's just how we grew up 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:28.280 as a family. So we talked to Mecca, So I 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:30.600 really want to go to A and M because I 0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.159 wanted to play for a black coach. Uh And I 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.879 gave him my word and he was, okay, we got you. 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.920 You know, we're gonna wait on you. Seven days later 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:40.400 they signed a point going at the jew Coop. 0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:44.520 So so then now going to Texas A and. 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.719 I'm back at square one. So I had Baylor, I 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:52.520 had Rutgers, I had everybody really recruited me for basketball, 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:55.400 but I had more offers in tennis. 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:56.320 Okay. 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.560 So and everybody who was recruiting me wanted to rid 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:01.800 show me because I didn't left waste. I don't. I 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.480 was only one hundred and forty pounds my senior year, 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:09.760 damn right. But I was just like we always. All 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:11.399 we did was push up, dips and pull ups. We 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.679 didn't touch the weights because My dad was like, you 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:17.920 touched the waist's gonna mess with your shot. Yeah, argue 0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:21.320 with at eighteen, it's crazy. Yeah. 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:24.880 Yeah, I was five d one athlete, but you came back. 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:26.080 They put you on that shot. 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.000 You came Yeah. When I went to college, I was 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:32.200 only I was like one fifty, and then they made 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:33.680 me like you had to eat a peanut butter and 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:37.320 jelly soundwich like every four hours, and I would gain 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:41.000 like three pounds and then I'll run it off and 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.920 I'm right back. And I just was like, and I 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.040 had to run anyway because they tried to make me 0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:48.200 left waist and cause and I was fighting against not 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:52.400 lifting waist in college, so that the knockoff was well, 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.040 you're gonna have to run for punishment because you don't 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:57.360 want left wists. I said me, I'm just I'm my 0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:59.880 mental game. I'm like, I'm just gonna be I can 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.520 run everybody. Yeah there, And I still got my burner 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:05.520 because I U said, if I live waits and I 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.920 missed my first three shots, I will always blame the 0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:11.240 waits because I'm stiff. I'm sore now, shooting like a 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.000 running back in the football. See the football players played 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.640 the rereck Center game. Yeah, you know it looked like yeah, 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:18.680 you know what I mean. 0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.600 But for me, I had to be No, I was nothing. 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.120 I was one fifty. I came back one eighty five. 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.200 That could have been some niggas. 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:31.760 Was like it was in three months. Fact, she game 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:32.640 thirty something pounds. 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:34.840 It was like a wrong man coming back to the city. 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:36.040 No man. 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.440 Baylor was like, I said, the worst because it was 0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:39.440 too close to home. 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.800 And I had You went back home a lot every day. Damn. 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:45.840 I used to take that two hour drive like it 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:49.920 was like forty five minutes away. Damn you had a 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.960 lady or something. No, I just I was home. I 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:55.800 had the whole house with myself and my pop. Took 0:29:55.800 --> 0:30:02.320 the coaching job in Cleveland. Yeah, it was that's like 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.200 you're not having fun somewhere. When you're not having fun somewhere, 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.920 and me and the coach started end up having problems 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.400 and issues Coach Dave Bliss. Uh, you know, I was 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:19.520 just trying to find comfort, trying to be around love 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:24.280 really and all my boys back home, cousins, best friends 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.080 that I grew up was all back in Houston, and 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:31.120 I would rather be there than that. Baylor, like miserable. 0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.560 I mean, Waco, Texas nothing to do the first of all. 0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:35.640 And I watched it. 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:38.680 I watched your show based out of Waco, Texas may 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:45.040 be selling homes, and yeah. 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:48.920 I think they split up. Actually think they Baylor Longs. 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:48.240 I think. 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:51.640 Got back together. I don't know why he knows that. 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:56.280 But yeah, because now they do some good work. But 0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:00.560 I just hated. I just hated. Like my freshman year 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.280 was cool. I let I let my team scoring and 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:08.040 assist as a first man, big twelve. You know, TJ 0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:12.360 obviously did his thing. Sure, So it was just like 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:14.880 and then my sophomore year, it just got tricky. It 0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:19.000 got weird all sudden. Just it's like everything shift. It's 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.560 like I come back as a starter, still leading the 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:25.640 team and scoring assists, were playing, and then I think 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.720 we got like teen games left for the season. All 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:30.760 of a sudden, coaches like just own me all day 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:32.640 in practice, on me all day in practice. And we 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.960 had a we had a point guard I back up. 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:40.080 His name was Matt Sainman, and I like, in practice 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.320 if it was born to me, Like I told Jeff, 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.720 I had to find something bad about something. So I 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.480 just started talking trash. The whole practice. You can't hold 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:51.040 me like hold that like And that's when Jeanne came out. 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:53.760 So every time I shot, like y'all used to do 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.280 like that, and so coach coach pulled me, coaches like 0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:01.040 cursing me out. He's talking abou you think you so 0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.920 and so wooy woo. It was like you grew up 0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:07.200 with a silver spoon in your mouth. I was like, 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:16.400 what silver spoon? I said, man, that my spoon is platinum. 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.280 Kick me out of practice, Kick me out of practice. 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:21.800 He come in the locker room. We get into this 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.040 full blown argument and I don't play for the next 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.000 eight games. I want from starting not playing. They playing, 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.960 I walk on they playing. Everybody here that people like 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:35.720 asking questions like why this, why that, and nobody could 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:36.320 get the answer. 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:37.080 Yeah. 0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:41.000 So then now I'm like, damn, what I do? 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:42.960 You know what I mean? 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.200 I said, it can't be that bad for me, just 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:47.400 you know you're trying to be this to me. I'm like, 0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:52.920 it's not silver is platinum because platinum? 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.840 Yeah, it was better what. 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.280 You think like you like, because I just felt like 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.120 you can talk to me another way if you're trying 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:05.000 to like just say no like instead of trying to 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.200 put me down in front of everybody because of my 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:12.560 background where I come from. I was like, okay, and 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.160 me being who I am, I could be an asshole 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.480 a little bit. I was just like, nah, it's platine 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:20.160 and I was ready to hoop again, but he just 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:21.720 took it to hold on another kick me out price. 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:24.160 So it just went downhill from there, and I just 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.240 was like calling back home because my post was living 0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.240 in clean They was in Cleveland coaching at the time, 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:30.720 and I was telling him how I was being treated 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.040 and this, and he was like, be professional. My dad 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.680 was all about, don't disrespect the game. He coming to 0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:40.080 practice stuff like that. So I did. And you know, 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.160 one day I had a next Tael phone because I 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:43.760 had two phones in college, so I had the next 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:47.520 Tell the church and you could record, and I was like, yo, damn, 0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:49.960 I'm telling you he'd be talking crazy to me. I'm 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:52.360 gonna snap on him one day, like he's just talking crazy, 0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:54.880 and I just recorded. I let my dad hear it. 0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:58.040 My dad still and then my dad eventually got fired 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.480 from Cleveland, so he started coming to the games around 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:02.480 me more, making sure my mentor is making sure everything 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.760 was straight. And when he first got there, he said, 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.720 behind the bench, and we was doing so bad that 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.200 the wac On newspaper people don't know this fake with 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:11.839 new papers like yo, when need to be a trip? 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.800 If coach Lucas ends up becoming the head coach of 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:19.720 the Fairs because he already had it, because he's already 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.080 training all of us in the summertime and he was 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:24.680 man the next game, next home game we had they 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:28.359 had my mom and pops in the note damn they 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:32.360 had my mom and pops, my dad who is He 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:34.160 grabbed my mom said, man, come on, we're going back down, 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.880 said that down right back to his normal sea. But 0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:38.640 they had had our ticket. My ticket was all the 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:39.400 way in the those. 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:41.120 Beleeve that that's crazy. 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:48.960 Yeah, And then all of a sudden, you know, unfortunately 0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.279 what happened, What happened, you know RP to my teammate Pat, 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:55.120 then all that stuff happening in the summer and obviously 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.919 you know we went through you know what we went 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:02.480 through right right right, you know it's that was a 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:06.080 crazy time. That was a real a real dark time. 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:06.759 Yeah. 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:10.320 I can ask the question, like when that time happened, 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:13.120 like to go through that or whatever, with your teammate. 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.279 It's a tough I can't even imagine what that feel 0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:18.000 like to even go through that, Like where. 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:18.919 Would you think? What you thinking? 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:20.640 Like, Yo, I'm getting out of Baylor, like I gotta 0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:22.600 lead this place like it ain't for me, or would 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:23.280 you like damn. 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:27.720 Let's well, before before all that happened, i was already 0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:31.160 checked out, okay, yeah, and I'm like, man, I'm transferring. 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.920 He was like, you ain't transfer I'm holding your paper. 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:36.200 You stuck here for two years, that type of vibe. Yeah, 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:41.080 So I was like, I'm like, I'm transferring. I don't 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:43.319 know what's gonna happen, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.160 but I know I'm I ain't playing for I ain't 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.400 playing here no more. And then that situation happened, and 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.960 it was crazy because like everybody was in Houston training 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:52.960 with us that day, and then we get the phone 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.279 call asking if we seen Pat. I was like, now 0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:59.239 he's not down here lift it like that. Then we 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.200 ain't think nothing of it. We just thought, okay, so 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.120 we're still going there. Now. Weeks go by. Now, all 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.200 of a sudden, you see on CNN, you see the 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:09.560 FBI involved. You see all that's going on, and my 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:15.160 teammate Artie Gwynn started like recording like all the conversations, 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.799 and like one of the conversations popped up. I never 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.080 forget this when I got when my name got cleared 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.359 from everything from like you know, if I accepted any 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.080 money or anything like that is they got on tape, 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:27.719 said well we can't go to Lucas cause he ain't 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:32.200 gonna lie for us. And wow, boy, like that was 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.799 a bet, like seeing my dad chest poked out all 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.880 the teaching and the principles and stuff he taught me 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:39.799 about brother and you. 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.080 Ain't with him at this point either. 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.120 And I ain't talking. I'm just this. I like I 0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:48.000 just wanted to hoop. And it was like when that 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:52.680 came out, I remember getting that phone call saying you cleared, 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.000 Like you enjoy the rest of your college career. You 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.200 don't have to worry. Because they started like how did 0:36:58.239 --> 0:36:59.960 he get his car? Like I had my car myself 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.640 when you're in high school. How he gets his rooms 0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.880 Steve Francis brought my rooms. How he gets how you 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.840 get your life? How you how you get your system 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:12.640 in your car? Like you know what I'm saying, Like 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:14.759 those are my big brothers. So they saw me doing 0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:17.799 good and they like, I'm training every day with them. 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.960 I'm in it. So they like man like different, you know, 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:26.080 a regular. It was just like I grew up different. 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:30.040 It's like back to we didn't even get to the 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:33.040 good ship. Yeah, when he grew up in Philly. Let's 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:33.959 talk about it here. 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:37.120 That I grew up in How old are you when 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.680 you moved to Philing sixth grade middle school? I went 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:41.840 to balakan With middle school. It's only two NBA players 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.399 ever come out of Balaquan with middle school. And who 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:49.879 is that the goat first of all? So Jordan Kobe Dean. 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.719 Oh okay, you look at looking at me. 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.480 Look it's only two that came out ball in middle 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.799 school Kobe Brian, John Lucas the third h J three 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:05.560 since the w Y. I'm telling you, it's just like 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:09.160 it's crazy because we like we just literally moved to Philadelva. 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.080 My dad was the president and the general manager, president 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:13.920 and head coach of the seventy six ers when he 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:15.200 was there. What hold on? 0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:18.240 This is just me like what what is that? Like? 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.439 Like I grew up my mom and dad worked down 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:22.920 the street and ship, like you. 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.839 Know what I mean, I be Yeah, I get you, 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:27.640 you know, my man, Yeah, I get you. 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:28.560 You're my nigga. 0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:30.480 But like, what is that like to know, like your 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.080 dad is like an NBA coach, your dad played in 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.520 the league, but like he the guy. 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.759 What's that? What's that like normal? I ain't think that 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:40.200 was just normal? That every day to me? 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:40.960 That shi it was. 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.439 I mean, bro, when I was like five years old, 0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:45.320 I remember going to the barbershop with Michael Jordan and 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.800 my dad. Michael Jordan picked us up in the corvette 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:49.480 and I'm sitting my dad's left we driving on the 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:51.840 South side Chicago while they go get haircuts during the 0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:55.040 Eastern Conference playoffs and my poster playing in Milwaukee. 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:56.200 That's all right. 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.000 Like I got every Michael Jordan's shoe he ever played 0:38:59.000 --> 0:38:59.600 and signed. 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.120 I know, I listen, I know, I know. 0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:04.719 I'm talking about the shoes he played in sign like 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.000 the shoes he got crossed up in against Allen. I 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.160 got it in my garage sign. I know I was 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:10.759 a ball boy. 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:14.920 I'm just speaking for the people who know, so I know, 0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:16.800 I know, yeah, I know, I'm. 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:20.799 Yeah the coat, Yeah I was, I was. I've been 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:24.080 a ball boy my whole life. So I've been around. 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:28.120 I've been around like my dad. I was like, you know, 0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:31.160 every kid who just want to be around. So when 0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:33.279 my dad went to the gym and met her, I 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.520 was a ball boys. I used to mop the floor 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:37.480 like free throws. I was that kid mopping the floor. 0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:41.279 I was that kid, you know, doing everything. I learned 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.640 how to talk to girls by going into the into 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:47.560 the stands, get numbers, and I used to I used 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:49.239 to the players. You give me like fifty dollars, go 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:50.719 get a number, and then you give me one hundred dollars, 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.920 go get a hot dog and and preszels and be like. 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:55.360 I was like, here, you're change. But now, Luke, you 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.680 got it, keep it change. I changed eighty five dollars. 0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:02.319 I'm walking home three four hundred, like six years old. 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.879 Seven years old as a ball boy and getting paid 0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:06.239 on top of that as a ball boy. 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:09.520 Was What was it like first seeing Kobe hooped up? 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.680 When was your first glance at Kobe Bryant? 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:13.400 Amazing? 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.000 The biggest Kobe fan in the world. 0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.239 You can't say nothing, but I love Kobe too, not 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:23.520 as much as I love Jordan, but you I'm gonna 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:24.240 let him go. 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:29.440 You got let me get up. Amazing, Broy, give me 0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.759 that time. We want to story time with. My mom 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.680 is the one who discovered Kobe, not like overall, but 0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:37.960 she the one who is newspapers and everything. So I 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:39.680 can give you all all these off facts. I never 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:43.120 lie saw facts. My mom comes home one day. I 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.800 just got back from tennis practice with my dad. She 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:48.120 come home one day and tell my pox, I think 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:49.919 I seen a better high school player than you. 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:56.640 Mm hm. My dad like, what this is funny? 0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:58.719 Like he low key about to bring a drug test 0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:01.520 out to test. My mama makes just he's straight. So 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:04.480 my dad was like, next time they play, we going 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:07.200 to the game, like my mom, come in. It's a 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:11.160 king named Kobe. King named Kobe Lloyd Man had to 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:14.960 go to my sister. My sister graduated Lord Marry and 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.480 so my dad I never give it a Friday, So 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:18.920 we go liewdle Men in high school. They had a 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:20.640 home game, so my dad packed me and my little 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:22.799 brother up in the car. We just got done working out. 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:25.040 So we go all the way to the game and 0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:27.840 he see Jelly, you know, Jelly in there his pops 0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:30.120 and my dad was like, Jelly, what you doing here? 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:31.560 Like oh, he was like a man, I'm here to 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:33.799 see my son play. He's like, yeah, man, my wife 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.200 come on home talking about it's a kid up here 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:36.759 named Kobe that's supposed to be I didn't me in 0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.000 high school, like she he the next best great thing 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:40.640 ever to play the game. And he was like, oh man, 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.799 that's my son, right. So we so he was like 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.720 for real, like you know what, my dad. So we're 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.120 sitting there watching and then the game start. Kobe starts 0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:52.359 out at the five. He went the jump ball till 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:54.799 they throw the ball a head, he out run first, 0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:59.520 played the game. He win me damn. And that day 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:03.520 I was locked dean because you know, you don't see it. 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:07.680 So he was like eleven, not twelve. Twelve, yeah, sixth grade. 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:09.759 I think like eleven too about the turn to I 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:11.719 got late birthday, so I probably wasn't that about to 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.440 turn to okay, but yeah, and then we start. Then 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:16.359 we started going to every high school and my dad 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.760 and then then my dad started having him come practice 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.959 with the Sixers because they didn't have a practice cility 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:25.799 at the time. They used to Saint Joseph University was 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:28.120 the practice cility. That's why I say basketball is a 0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:31.440 full circle for me. Yeah right, So I live right 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:33.360 down the streets in Saint Joe's used to go hoop. 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:33.600 Every day and. 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:38.920 So now we you know, my dad got him practicing. 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.960 And what my dad used to do is he big 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.840 on competition. So he used to match Kobe up against 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:49.960 all of the draft workouts. So Jerry stad cows all 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.640 those guys who got drafted, right, Kobe beat them all 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:55.200 one on one, damn. And they was like, man, what 0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.200 school he went to school? Like what cos he want? 0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:00.600 My dad like, man, he a junior high. This is 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.200 junior year man. 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:06.600 And Jerry say, yeah, it was phenomenal, amazing. 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:10.120 So like like y'all have y'all had, y'all had my 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:13.399 O g on here Vernon Maxwell, I got stories about 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.719 him for days, but we ain't gonna get in there shot. 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.319 But vern what he said about Cole ready to fight, 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.080 he was ready to fight up. Coke didn back down 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:22.520 from there. I was there. I was at that part. 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.880 Cole was ready to get his like Vernon crazy. 0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:30.560 Bro, we know, like got the record for it. Motherfucker's 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:30.880 on her. 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.960 Yeah, Vernon said the first five minutes, he said thirty 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:37.640 seven motherfuckers in the first Yeah, Vernon crazy forty seven fucker. 0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:40.239 So Vernon was ready to fight Kobe, Like Kobe was 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:41.600 really going. 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:44.320 At him and he was seventeen seventeen. 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:47.440 He ain't back down, and I was just like, oh, 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:49.879 and then I started, Like then I started. He started 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:51.680 picking me up from school. He was picking me up 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.239 from my house. You're life different, I remember, I'll never 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.400 get when he got his car. He got a forest 0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.920 green Toyoda land Cruise. 0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:01.400 This nigga life different. 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.000 Remember he picked me up because he was going to 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.040 work out the city. I was like this call and 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.040 he had like two trash bags in the trunk of 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:10.360 his car. I was like, man, what you got in 0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:13.160 the trash bag? He was like young bull. You know 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:14.960 in Philly they said young bull. It was like young 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.200 boys a game everywhere in Philly. I ain't got time 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:18.680 to go back home and get my gear and then 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:20.439 come back and the game might be over. I gotta 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:21.279 be ready right now. 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:22.640 Boy. 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:24.879 When I got my Dodge d Ringo my sophomore year, 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:36.640 I ain't putting no trash bags in my back. Had like, hey, 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:40.560 that's first thing I in the trunk of my car. 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:44.360 I put four pair of hoopy shoes and a bag 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:45.600 of just hoop gear. 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:47.960 But this is a fact because when I went to Minnesota, 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:51.279 this nigga was retired from the league. Nigga still had 0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:53.000 a back of shoes in the back of his car. 0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:57.359 Did you wear who shorts on your under your pants? Absolutely? Yeah, 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.200 when he was getting busy at lunch time, like you 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.600 didn't have time, like you had your shorts on them. 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:05.360 I was living in Philly at time, so we always 0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:10.239 wore tim so you'd be hooping in tim you know, 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:13.440 it was just different. But yeah, you had shorts on underneath. 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:14.080 That was normal. 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:15.279 That's just kids. 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:17.920 I just like bring it up for the nostalgia. But 0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:21.359 like kids, our kids don't understand that ship. 0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:21.600 Bro. 0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:25.080 We always want to parties with my shorts. Like I'm 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:26.640 not about to go hoop. I'm really about trying to 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:27.200 go get something. 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:28.319 But like. 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:32.800 Shorts, definitely. Yeah. 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.080 Yeah, you're supposed to put your opinions down a little 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:36.720 bit at the at the at the parties. 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.440 You know what I couldn't. I couldn't sad to who 0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:49.440 shorts combos crazy. I couldn't. I couldn't say what we do. 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.600 I couldn't I couldn't sad cops won't playing that. Yeah, 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:53.359 pops won't playing. 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:55.759 So I always we weren't say we're taking at that 0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.600 party though, Yeah, I would be. 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:00.480 Scared about poss will come into part wherever I was. 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:04.239 I used to be scared. I get and I was 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:09.120 always like on alert. He'd be like, no, sagging boy. 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:11.480 Used to have my you know, the little belts that 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:13.480 is like one size fit all the little. 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:19.800 Come in, the motherfucking cordos, all all that. 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:25.840 You know, you know what's crazy? Hey, you know what 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:31.360 I love them? You know what I love him? No, 0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.440 you know what I love You want you want't think 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:34.800 about it? 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:35.040 Right? 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:39.799 We off our clothes came from Gap or Target. We 0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:43.520 didn't wear like how like how now NBA kids went 0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:46.480 like the Gucci and all, but like take that million. 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.160 We know we like that. We used to go shop 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.839 at Wieners. We used to go stop at all these 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:54.440 different Like my mom was like, Yo, we're going to 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:59.360 shop youle boy, take that bill. I mean it works, 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:12.399 I need ass, but yeah, I mean that jo't never. 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.200 So when we get hoop, I ain't have to worry 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:16.640 about leaving my pants up to go by nobody. They 0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:23.520 won't move it thet they won't. They won't lose it. 0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:26.600 They won't movebe Bro. 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:28.080 That's yeah. 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.279 So it was just like for me, I just I 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.479 just was like a sponge soaking up all the games. 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.680 Is that the best high school basketball player you ever? Said? 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:34.960 Yes? 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.480 Because you saw Lebron too? Ye you saw him? Do 0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:39.759 you speak on that? 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:41.880 When we see Lebron in high school with his workout 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:46.520 with the pros, that was a better showing Kobe's showing 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:48.440 with the you got. 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:52.759 Kobe had an impact on me as an individual, So 0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:54.759 I saw different work at that. I saw what it 0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:58.080 what it took to be a pro yea. So the 0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:00.840 impact was a little bit different than like, now, that 0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:04.319 could be my little brother's story about Lebron, you know 0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:06.200 what I'm saying. But for me, I was in college 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:10.040 when I first saw Broun. Understand, my post was coaching 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:14.839 in Cleveland, and I never remember coming. I just got 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:17.680 done with my second year when I was going through everything, 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:19.759 and my past was still in Cleveland. So I used 0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.799 to fly back on like holidays or the summers and 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.040 was in Cleveland, and you know, I trained with the 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:28.160 guys like that, and my dad was like, man, it's 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:32.520 a kid up here better than Kobe. And I was like, man, 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.719 whatever like that. He was like, well, take your little brother. 0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:40.080 So my little brother's playing on Lebron's high school coach 0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:44.000 Jruce Jordan, he had an AU team called Actling Superstars. 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:46.719 My little brother played on that team, okay, and they 0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:49.840 practiced at the University of Akron. So I took my 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:51.920 little brother to a practice one day and they were 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:54.680 hooping in the back gym. Come and find out a 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.520 lot of these guys, a local acting was hooping in 0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.200 the back gym while my brother knew was practicing. I 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.920 was also hooping too. So that's when I first saw Lebron. 0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:03.880 And when I first saw him, it was just, you know, 0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:10.400 it was some mile sauce. That's just my opinion. Wasn't like. 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:13.960 But then my dad started inviting him like he did 0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:15.719 with Kobe, because he was like, man, you know, I'm 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:18.360 just gonna get in the game and let him just 0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:20.440 come work out. I don't think I ain't trying. I 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:23.239 don't want nothing from this kid, just you know, let's 0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.319 get some good bump in. So we had a little 0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:28.680 mini camp and my dad used to fly in guys 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:32.080 from Ohio State Kansas, you know guys, and we have 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:34.839 a mini camp and we'll play against the you know, 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:36.920 the rookies who was already there getting ready for some 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:39.680 believe it's a little screamage little mini camp. And bron 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:42.560 came and like nobody was passing Broun the ball because 0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:45.359 everybody knew was in high school. And we was all 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:50.040 like not passing the ball. My dad like stopped practice, like, hey, y'all, 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:52.279 little motherfuckers back, get him the ball. He the best 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:54.680 one on the court, like not talking about his players, 0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:56.839 but he was just talking about guys on our team, 0:49:57.280 --> 0:49:59.560 and we like, man, whatever. So I had the ball 0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:01.840 on the point so I can control everything. So I 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.319 was just like discussed. I was like, man, here, like 0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:06.439 through the ball to him, like like he ain't gonna 0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:09.600 do nothing then, so we'll get it right back. Hey, 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:15.600 bro we he on the right seating, right hand side 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:19.680 of the court. He's being guarded by Ricky Davis. He 0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:23.960 make a move, just do something, go baseline. So now 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:25.839 you got Chris mill siganad ya. 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.600 The whole calf scene. By the way, they all help. 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:33.319 Sign so they all come up. He jumps outside the 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:40.319 paint like jumps like and like Cigan and this man 0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:45.359 underneath the rim reversing hoes it in without looking at 0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:50.279 the rim was a ball and you know he like 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:55.239 this and just keep going. Man, he got to put 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:58.400 ball every possession out of there because it was unbelievable. 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:00.640 He's like, what else can he not? What else can you? Yeah? 0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:01.640 He unbelievable. 0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:06.919 I got the coaching, like you know what I'm saying. 0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:09.239 So I'm seeing that and I'm like yo, he like 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:11.480 and then all the time you get to see and 0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:16.080 then then I'm around Maverick, I'm around Rich like like 0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:20.160 before Rich became clutch. Rich sold everybody the throw back 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:23.279 jerseys out the trunk. Every throwback I got I brought 0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:26.839 from Rich, like every throw back Mitchell and that jerky 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.520 I brought from Rich. In Cleveland, he had a van 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:31.359 he suosedld sell out the van. That's where I got 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:34.480 my jerseys from. He overcharged me too, but you know 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:39.680 we had to get him. Yeah, real stock. But yeah, 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:41.400 so Mark and then all of a sudden, you know, 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:45.200 my pops get fined two hundred thousand because all the 0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:47.839 other teams started complaining saying he had you know, cause 0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:50.719 he's gonna be no. One pick and then you know 0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:54.080 he got fired, you know, and then you know Ron 0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:55.600 end up getting drafted by Cleveland. 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:56.840 But what the moments do for you? 0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:58.480 Because I know, you leave Baylor and you go to 0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:02.080 Okay State and this is what we like I felt, 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:03.879 I like fell in love with your game and found 0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:06.120 out who you was because okay, stay, you had a 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:09.239 squad and you was hoping you was killing. But I 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:11.319 love Saint Joe's and we don't get to that game, 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:13.799 Jamr and Nelson Delonze. I wore T shirts under my 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:17.520 jersey like I hooped in Barkley's bronze and all that 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.480 ship because Maar and Nelson and. 0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:22.640 Go ahead, because you you fucked up. 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.040 You fucked up my momental because them niggas was cold 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:26.160 and they was undefeated. 0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:31.319 They were called they like my g So when I man, 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.279 it was a blad like God had my back, bro, 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:36.239 That's all I can say. Because I live walk on. 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:41.480 I was literally going to Memphis. Well you talk about you, Yeah, 0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:46.000 like I had Memphis Rutgers in Georgia and I was 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:48.719 already like I'm going to Memphis called Caliperry already been 0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:51.959 out there summertimes. You know, Like now that I coach. 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:53.799 You know, you do go to different places and pick 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:55.960 each other's brain. So my pops was doing that, like 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:58.520 in between like jobs. He'd be like, I gotta go 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:00.319 to Memphis, and would go to Memphis. He in there 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:02.759 talking to coach Calibery. They talking x's and o's, and 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:05.600 now I'm practicing with the team, shooting, getting my workout. 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:08.840 So everywhere we went, I've always worked out, you know 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:11.279 what I'm saying. So I was like, man, Memphis, you 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:14.120 know that'd be a great look Coach cal it was 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.480 gonna be a Darius Washington was coming in. He'll be 0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:24.840 coming in my senior year. But then Victor Williams was 0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:27.360 He went to Oklahoma State point guard. He was He 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.160 was the man at Old State too. Victor wins was 0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:32.000 a point guard and he did his draft work out 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:35.400 with my pops and he kept saying, like, Yo, you 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:38.000 should go to Old State State. By the time, like 0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.759 I was wild and I had braids, I used to 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:41.600 wear grill. 0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:42.000 Like I. 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:45.480 Was Houston. So Paul Wall one of my one of 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:47.279 my really good friends. So when that song let Me 0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:49.359 See Your Grills came out, he made me six at 0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:54.360 the bottom all diamon out so and I was in 0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:56.719 a rap song. So people don't even realize. Paul Wall 0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:59.040 and Chameleon, they had this group called Color Changing clip 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:03.319 Bro Still My Money and yeah, and Paul Wall said, 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:06.560 he said, I swerved down the Baylor to watch John 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.040 Lucas score and Jordan came back to the game because 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:10.000 the game was bored. 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:13.000 It was on a mixtape, so that. 0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:22.719 Was like, my man, don't forget you know, you don't 0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:29.560 forget stuff like that, right, you niggas don't never forget 0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.000 you are said you. 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:33.719 Don't forget it because at the end, I wasn't even 0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:36.359 inspecting it because the mixtapes you just come out every 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.600 every Friday. So I'm up here driving make the bailing. 0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:42.200 I just brought the mixtape that Color could and I 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:43.879 hear it. I said, hold on, what do he saying? 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:46.920 I rewinded and I was like, so I walked on 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.839 campus now everybody so everybody like, oh, like Paul Wow, 0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:54.120 shot at you. I'm like, I'm playing it cool when 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.960 I'm no key hyped because he don't put me on 0:54:57.080 --> 0:55:02.719 like I'm at Baylor. We trash, yeah, like maybe ten 0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:06.880 we were, but we had a great squad. We just 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.759 was running flex so we had horses. We should have 0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:13.279 been running, but he's no, that's here and there. So 0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:15.879 Victor Winim was like, man, you should take a visit 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:17.680 to Oklahoma. Say it'd be a perfect fit for you. 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:19.879 They don't got a point guard ba Boom. But at 0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.240 the time the n C double A said we couldn't transfer. 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:25.000 When they said all this, we couldn't transfer into conference, 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:27.440 so I could go anywhere and not sit out. But 0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.879 if I went like and then like two weeks later 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.759 they said, y'all can transfer in the conference and you 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:37.880 won't be penalized. Okay, So originally transfer before the transfer. 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:43.239 So originally I wanted to go to Texas. No TJ left, 0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.160 he just got tracked. TJ he was in there with 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.200 Booby was on the way in there. Booby came with 0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:53.120 my senior. So Rebarns kept the buck with me. I'm 0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:55.239 like trying to like yeo, Rebarns, like, I want to 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:57.759 come to Texas. You already know I can do well. 0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:01.000 My other teammate, Kenny Taylor, who was a shooter, he 0:56:01.120 --> 0:56:04.040 ended up going to Texas and Rick Barnes kept the 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:08.680 Buckers like yo, we committed to Daniel Gibson and we 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.799 don't want to bring you in because we might de commit, right, 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:14.160 But he wanted to come in into my senior year, 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:17.960 so then I had to respect it. So then I 0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:22.399 was like cool. So then the legendary Adie Southern called 0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:25.080 me one day because of Victor Williams, and I go 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:27.440 up there. I had a I never forget. I went 0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:29.319 up there. I had my braids, just my mom used 0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:31.319 to brave my hair, so I had fresh braids. I 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:34.279 had an Iceman San Antonio throw back Jersey on. 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:36.120 Like you know what. 0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:40.799 And I go visit and I go by the campus, right, 0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:42.920 I'm like, man, it's the middle of nowhere. But I'm 0:56:42.960 --> 0:56:45.720 a city boy. Like now, I'm eight hours away from Houston. 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:47.560 I ain't that. I'm not getting on no highway driving 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:49.480 eight out you know what I'm saying. And then the 0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:53.960 next best city is Oklahoma City. Come on exactly. They 0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:57.839 didn't have a team out there then, So I went 0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:01.000 out there and they ain't tell me I had to 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:04.800 cut my hair, damn. Like my dad Ben wanted me 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:06.520 to come here because that's when the big like the 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:09.759 NBA was changing over to like appearances and you know, 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.120 it's a business and stuff. But I was fighting. I 0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.040 was fighting. I was I ain't cutting my hair where 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.640 my AI was like I'm watching it, you know what 0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:20.800 I'm saying. And then TJ cut his hair like right 0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:24.000 before the draft. And then TJ my dad had TJ 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.480 called me to like kind of taught me and come out, 0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:30.800 y'all go. So I went to Oklahoma State first braids 0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:33.000 and everything. I'm like, man, all right, you know, I'm 0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:35.160 looking at the team. I don't know who Tony Allen is. 0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:37.120 I mean, I know playing against him. I ain't know 0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:39.720 the Grams cause they was coming off a redshirt year 0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:42.600 cause they transferred. I ain't know who Daniel Bobby was. 0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:45.640 I ain't know who a couple, but something in my 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:47.080 spirit was like this is where you need to be. 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:51.720 So when I was like commit, they never said nothing 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:53.960 about cutting my hair. So now I was like, man, 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:56.400 you know what, coach, I want to come here. So 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:57.520 he was like, oh, you know, I got a couple 0:57:57.560 --> 0:57:59.680 of rules. I was like, okay, I'm thinking, like you know, 0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:04.320 he was like, one rule, I can't have braids, you 0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:06.440 can't have facial hair. Then you go back and look 0:58:06.480 --> 0:58:11.040 at our team number guys rue and my dad was 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:14.480 like so I went back home was like, well, let 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.640 me think about that. I flew back to Houston and 0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:21.240 I'm near my Barbara Marquette. I walked in there. I 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:23.240 just firstly picked it up, and you know, you have 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:25.040 braids for a long time, you still get the lines. 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:30.000 I was like, chop it off. What my mama was man, 0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:32.320 because she was like, that's somebody, that's another man trying 0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:36.920 to control you. Like she barely. She very militant, and 0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:39.040 my dad was all for it. So I ended up 0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:42.760 cutting my hair and I committed in Oklahoma State and 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:46.400 they didn't have no scholarships, so I didn't even care. 0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:49.960 I was like, gonna pay for school. So I ended 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:51.360 up my junior year. Of the year, I won the 0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:53.360 Big Toy Player of the Year, John Nate Smith Award, 0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:54.800 First Team all the married. I'm just giving you a 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:55.600 little bit of accolades. 0:58:56.720 --> 0:59:04.920 But but but I was a walk on respect greatest, 0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:07.520 greatest walk on ever and people didn't know I. 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:10.680 Was walking on. I paid my ju go do it. 0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:12.440 They already came out with the facts. They already did it. 0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:19.560 So shouts to the Texas Place. 0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:24.480 So so I ended up paying my junior year. So 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:26.400 the year we went to the Final four and stuff 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:28.240 like I was a walking I always have been on scholarship. 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:31.520 I didn't go on scholarship until my senior year. To 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:32.280 my senior y'all went. 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:34.040 On scholars boosters out of pocket. That should have made 0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:38.880 that happen. Walk On, walk On, he's the greatest. 0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:40.080 I gotta get it. 0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:40.720 I gotta get it. 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:43.760 You know I got but hey, I gotta get it 0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:45.800 to in Chicago. So yes, gott he might be the 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:46.720 best walk On ever. 0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:49.880 Shot to get him to the Final four. 0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:54.360 Though Shout looked at the elite lead. A game was 0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:55.080 was big. 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:58.360 Though it was about to pay My favorite thing we 0:59:58.360 --> 1:00:00.720 was talking before the podcast, and that one was definitely 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:02.480 fresher than you in college when it came to the shoes. 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:15.640 But you had a good game that game, you know what, Jami, 1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:17.840 and now that every time you see me, curse me out. 1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:21.760 But his shoe game one better. 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:22.680 Nah, you're crazy. 1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:23.880 I mean you you could just. 1:00:23.960 --> 1:00:24.800 You had a Nike deal. 1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:26.400 I didn't have a Nike deal. 1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:27.240 You Jordan deal. 1:00:27.440 --> 1:00:29.400 I didn't have a Jordan deal because you know, it 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:32.680 wasn't no n I l at the time, so Pops 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:38.360 had that. So I just took advantage of what Pops had. 1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:41.720 So I'm trying, like, now you can go on Nike 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:43.920 Elaite and order could you get a little back then 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:45.680 they used to bring your magazine and you had to 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:49.320 go in there and order the magazine. Yeah, I'm I'm 1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:53.360 forty two. So it's like, you know, and seeing the transition. 1:00:54.320 --> 1:00:56.120 So I used to I used to make a point 1:00:56.800 --> 1:00:58.520 that when I first got the old said I was 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:00.600 gonna wear a different pair of sshoe every game. Yeah, 1:01:01.880 --> 1:01:05.000 but then if I would have cooked, like you go 1:01:05.080 --> 1:01:06.760 to my locker. I had over thirty pair of shoes 1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:11.240 in my locker at school. But if I cooked in 1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:14.880 a shoe, I would stay with that shoe. I was superstishes, 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:17.120 so I were the same socks, and then I end 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:18.720 up put the socks on the same way. So if 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:20.960 I ever put my right sock on first, it was 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:23.040 always be my right so first, then my left shot, 1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:24.919 and then I'll go who and I I scored another 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:26.880 twenty ball, I'll do the same thing. But them two 1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:29.000 K four as will always saw so much the two 1:01:29.080 --> 1:01:30.960 K four as I had. You know, it's something about 1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:32.680 my step back in the two K fours, I got 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:33.600 so much separation. 1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:36.960 I can only go right though. 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:40.720 Right would be a fade away away my left to 1:01:40.760 --> 1:01:44.600 gather the gather step, and then my left would be 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:48.520 a step back. Like I it didn't matter what however 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:51.160 you want, but it was gonna be a step back. 1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:51.600 Yeah. 1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:53.960 But I wasn't that tight player. I wasn't a one 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:56.200 on one player like the ice My ice O game 1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:56.720 was trashed. 1:01:57.400 --> 1:01:58.720 You ain't had no shame or nothing. 1:01:58.760 --> 1:01:59.920 I ain't had none that. I'll just put you in 1:01:59.920 --> 1:02:03.400 the pick and roll, hit my hip and I had 1:02:03.440 --> 1:02:05.680 Iron May Fall and Joey Graham come to a pick 1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:07.480 and roll and then I bump you, put you on 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:09.560 my hip. Read read read, and then I see the 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:10.400 low man he might be. 1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:12.120 And that's what she was teaching youngster. 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:16.400 I was trying to want to listen. Yeah, yeah, he 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:20.200 wanted to be Jamal Crawford. But I just learned, like 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:23.200 like I didn't have that one on one game. 1:02:23.280 --> 1:02:25.320 And I asked you to see this, nigga, now you have. 1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:44.160 Put him on your I'm serious, like I just used 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:49.640 to right though. But he right though. But the things 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:52.080 that I was trying to tell him back then, it's like, bro, 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:55.480 that's the game. And I said, I was just trying 1:02:55.480 --> 1:02:58.000 to make the game as easy as possible for me. Yeah, 1:02:58.400 --> 1:03:01.040 that's like if I came out there, because my dad 1:03:01.040 --> 1:03:03.240 was like, you got a point five decision, making easy 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:05.600 to catch you to go. He was like, you ain't 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:07.960 no coach. You're gonna give you five seat dribble to 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:08.760 get your ship off. 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:09.920 Yeah. 1:03:09.960 --> 1:03:11.800 So my catch it if I was ware doing for 1:03:11.840 --> 1:03:13.720 three was going up. If I saw you close out, 1:03:13.720 --> 1:03:14.880 I was going back. If I was going right, it 1:03:14.920 --> 1:03:16.480 was gonna be a gather fade away to my right 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:18.040 because I wasn't going all the way in the pink 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:21.280 because I probably got a block. If I go left, 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:24.080 it was a step back, and I make sure I 1:03:24.080 --> 1:03:25.840 had the right angle just in case you showed me 1:03:25.880 --> 1:03:28.560 any kind of content. I was going off the glass. 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.960 So its like I knew my spots. I want to 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:34.360 move to your overseas run. How was that like? 1:03:34.520 --> 1:03:36.480 Did you feel like you had a transition your game 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:37.960 when you went overseas for a little bit? 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:39.800 Yes? 1:03:42.240 --> 1:03:46.320 Yes, so you do all this Oklahoma state, Yeah you killing. 1:03:47.080 --> 1:03:51.680 I went undrafted, drafted every seventeen crazy seventeen and five. 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:55.480 Imagine coming out right now, Avery, I'm a liar of 1:03:55.520 --> 1:04:00.160 me now, I mean people want to lie. Are you 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:05.600 getting drafted with six points coming out eight points? Yeah. 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:08.040 So it's like I was like if my dad told me, like, 1:04:08.160 --> 1:04:10.320 I was like washing it. I know I'm getting drafted. 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:15.080 Work out with my dad told me you ain't getting drafted, 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:22.040 Like he was like shut up. He was like, you're 1:04:22.040 --> 1:04:24.200 not even drafted. I ain't even gonna watch the draft. 1:04:24.640 --> 1:04:26.720 He went to the casino him my mom went to casino. 1:04:26.880 --> 1:04:28.439 That's crazy. 1:04:28.560 --> 1:04:29.360 He knew. 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:33.280 That's about words. That my situation, my bod worst in 1:04:33.320 --> 1:04:36.320 yours inside school. 1:04:36.440 --> 1:04:38.840 Yeah, I think he already knew I wasn't gonna get drass. 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:40.479 So I'm up here sitting in front of the TV 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:43.960 like this, waiting like this. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah. 1:04:44.040 --> 1:04:49.040 The Rockets twenty twenty fifth they took Luther head shout 1:04:49.040 --> 1:04:53.440 out Luther's head. But I'm like, uh, like, I'm like 1:04:53.520 --> 1:04:55.840 I worked out for like every team. My agent at 1:04:55.840 --> 1:04:58.600 the time was David Folk, who was MJS, but my 1:04:58.720 --> 1:05:03.920 dad was David fowks first client ever, so it was 1:05:03.960 --> 1:05:06.200 like that was family. So I went with him off top. 1:05:08.400 --> 1:05:10.600 So it was just like okay, and then like David 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:12.800 was like, oh, back in the day that you supper 1:05:12.920 --> 1:05:16.160 you with whoever the super he had everybody. So just 1:05:16.280 --> 1:05:19.280 imagine like Jeff t is the man, right and I'm 1:05:19.280 --> 1:05:22.360 a rookie, but he'll a rookie, he'll a free agent, 1:05:22.640 --> 1:05:25.480 but he the highest free agent. So the agents used 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:27.560 to be like, Oh, if you want Jeff, you're gonna 1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:31.680 have to take here and here, So paggage deal. So 1:05:31.720 --> 1:05:33.640 that's what it was like. When I came out, it 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:35.920 was package It's not like that anymore, but it was 1:05:35.960 --> 1:05:37.760 like package deal. So I was like, oh, David before 1:05:37.800 --> 1:05:43.320 got KG, he got everybody, so I didn't get drafted. 1:05:43.360 --> 1:05:45.720 So then I want to go what happened? I want? 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:50.480 I played in three different summer leagues. I played in Vegas. 1:05:50.880 --> 1:05:52.840 They had one in Minnesota at the time, they had 1:05:52.960 --> 1:05:58.280 New York, Minnesota, New York, they had Boston. Boston was 1:05:58.280 --> 1:06:01.400 the other one and they had long been so it 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:06.440 was New York. In the Minnesota, it was Cleveland, New York, Indiana. 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:09.480 Minnesota is just a four team summer league at the targets, 1:06:09.480 --> 1:06:12.240 and that was my rookie here. And then I left 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:16.040 there and I ended up playing with Cleveland Cavaliers in 1:06:16.160 --> 1:06:19.520 Vegas for their summer league. Okay, but I ended up 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:26.480 signing with the Minnesota Timberwolves as the rookie right. So 1:06:26.640 --> 1:06:30.760 my rookie year, they drafted Bracy Right and they drafted 1:06:31.000 --> 1:06:33.840 Rishard mckins. Those are they two for the two picks. 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:36.720 And then I was the third rookie, but I was undrafted, 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:39.880 you know, I signed a camp deal. Yeah, And so 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:44.480 we had Mario Marco Yarrich, We had Lionel Charmers who 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:47.520 played Xavier, who's a dog. And we had Troy Hudson 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:51.600 with the bread and but then Kate kg was there, 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:55.080 whilely Zerbiad you know, Fred was there. We had Mad 1:06:55.160 --> 1:06:57.680 Dog was there. So I'm a rookie, so I'm there 1:06:57.800 --> 1:07:00.320 all summer. Dwayne Casey's the head coach, he just got 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:03.120 the coaching job. So I'm there all summer. I'm training 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:06.480 boom we godrinking. I'm actually doing. I'm like averaging like 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:09.240 seven eight points when I'm when I'm getting my times 1:07:09.240 --> 1:07:12.320 only in the fourth quarter. I'm very efficient. So I 1:07:12.400 --> 1:07:16.080 ended up making the team. And then I went to 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:20.640 bed that night. And matter of fact, you're not gonna 1:07:20.680 --> 1:07:23.600 believe this because but Floyd Mike, I think it was 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:25.320 like Floyd Maywroth somebody had to fight, and I was 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:27.440 staying at the Ratising Hotel, you know, the Rasting hotel 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:29.720 right there, and that's what they had off the rookie 1:07:29.760 --> 1:07:32.320 staying at. So one day KG was like, YO, come 1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:33.680 to my house. We're gonna watch the fight. 1:07:34.360 --> 1:07:34.560 You know. 1:07:35.200 --> 1:07:37.480 I'm like all right, cool. So at the time his 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:40.160 wife Brandy yep, and she was like, YO, where are 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:41.760 your stuff at I'm like, huh, I thought I was 1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:42.960 just doing to watch the fight. He was like no, 1:07:43.120 --> 1:07:44.560 KG said, you moving with us? 1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:47.000 Nah? 1:07:47.040 --> 1:07:48.960 I know you know. So I'm like huh. So I 1:07:49.040 --> 1:07:52.200 go upstairs pack my bags real quid. So KG house unbelieving. 1:07:52.560 --> 1:07:54.320 So I had the whole guest house to myself. His 1:07:54.400 --> 1:07:57.000 best friend is like t Lou and Chauncey Bill. So 1:07:57.200 --> 1:07:58.960 the guest house was called the Bill Ups to stay 1:07:59.280 --> 1:08:01.320 because I guess when you know his family come there, 1:08:01.440 --> 1:08:03.760 that's what they would say. So I stayed in the 1:08:03.760 --> 1:08:06.640 guest house. So I didn't have my card at the time. 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:10.840 He just brought this brand new CLS cherry beans for 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:15.200 his wife. She hated the color, so he so much buddy, 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:17.320 she threw me the key. He threw me the Key's like, yo, 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:21.000 this is your car. Young fellow at paper place and everything. 1:08:21.200 --> 1:08:24.520 I'm the only person in Minnesota rookie with the CLS 1:08:24.760 --> 1:08:28.760 twenty two inch rel driving and I'm like, I'm not 1:08:28.880 --> 1:08:33.280 on contract, you know what I'm saying. I'm living. So 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:35.680 we planning. I'm doing my thing like and so I 1:08:35.720 --> 1:08:39.400 make the team. I go to bed that night, I'm like, man, 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:42.720 I'm like like, thank you God, Like who I go 1:08:42.760 --> 1:08:48.960 to be? I wake up next morning they made a trade. Yeah, 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:51.479 they made a trade. So I'm walking into the facility 1:08:51.520 --> 1:08:54.800 getting ready for the first day of official practice. They 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:58.680 make a trade for Ronald Dupree from the Piston. So 1:08:58.880 --> 1:09:01.800 Kevin McKell pulled me to the off and they had 1:09:01.840 --> 1:09:06.519 to cut me KG cause a fit like that was 1:09:06.560 --> 1:09:09.840 like the fall of like KG like leaving Minnesota. So 1:09:09.960 --> 1:09:13.040 Kg's like, you ain't going nowhere, Lord, Lord, you ain't 1:09:13.040 --> 1:09:17.000 going nowhere like that. So he got me staying in Minnesota. 1:09:17.600 --> 1:09:19.559 He got me staying in Minnesota for two weeks. They're 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:22.880 trying to figure it out, and my dad come, It's like, man, 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:25.400 you don't bring your ass, like you know what I'm saying. 1:09:28.439 --> 1:09:30.519 I'm kids, you know. So I go home to Houston, 1:09:30.680 --> 1:09:34.000 right and we get back to training. Now I'm into 1:09:34.880 --> 1:09:37.880 My name ordinarily goes into the as the D League 1:09:37.920 --> 1:09:40.040 at the time, but I didn't even go through the 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:42.639 draft because my name was so big in Oklahoma. They 1:09:42.760 --> 1:09:46.640 allocated me to go to Tulsa with the sixty six ers, 1:09:47.640 --> 1:09:50.439 and so I ended up playing like the first two 1:09:50.439 --> 1:09:53.040 months of the season in Tulsa and I'm averaging like 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:57.240 eighteen twenty. I get my first call up. So I 1:09:57.280 --> 1:09:59.800 get a call up to my hometown team, Houston Rocket. Yes, sir, 1:10:00.080 --> 1:10:02.639 played against the Warriors. I never forget it. Play against 1:10:02.680 --> 1:10:06.639 the Warriors. That's when they had stack five, they had 1:10:06.760 --> 1:10:10.240 Baron Davis, you know what I'm saying. So I chick 1:10:10.280 --> 1:10:12.400 in at the game, like last two minutes of the games, 1:10:12.439 --> 1:10:17.400 like I'm like running out there with my head cut off, 1:10:17.400 --> 1:10:18.960 like a chicken with his head cut And I got 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:21.680 a rebound on and stole the ball like I'm just 1:10:21.760 --> 1:10:25.880 moving so fast, I'm going crazy, and we end up 1:10:25.920 --> 1:10:30.160 losing that game. So then I ended up going and 1:10:30.200 --> 1:10:31.960 this wasn't the ten day. I just got called up 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:34.920 because ten days haven't started yet. So we end up 1:10:35.000 --> 1:10:37.320 my next game is in DC. A lot of people 1:10:37.320 --> 1:10:38.680 don't know I was born in d C, so I 1:10:38.680 --> 1:10:40.840 got family in d C. I'm possibly playing for the 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:43.120 Wizard the butt of the Bullets at the time, so 1:10:43.160 --> 1:10:46.320 me and my sister are born in DC originally, but 1:10:46.439 --> 1:10:49.080 I don't associate myself with DC because we moved when 1:10:49.080 --> 1:10:50.840 I was like two years old in Houston, so I'm 1:10:50.880 --> 1:10:55.560 from Houston. I scored my first NBA bucket gets Chuckie Atkins. 1:10:56.120 --> 1:10:58.840 We just talked about that was that was my. 1:10:58.800 --> 1:11:02.160 First NBA bucket. Gets Ruckin Atkins, y'all mean comes to 1:11:02.360 --> 1:11:04.639 the side picking roll for me, coming to my right hand, 1:11:05.920 --> 1:11:09.000 and I hit a floater and my aunt, my dad's 1:11:09.040 --> 1:11:10.439 sister at the time, she was in the stand, so 1:11:10.439 --> 1:11:11.920 I had a family members and so that was my 1:11:11.960 --> 1:11:18.479 first NBA bucket was a floater at the arena. But yeah, 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:20.639 and then I got cut the next Then we got 1:11:20.640 --> 1:11:22.960 cut the next day. I got cut the next day 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:26.599 because no but I got cut the next day because 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:27.960 they had to let me go. So they went and 1:11:27.960 --> 1:11:31.200 pay extra in taxies. So I ended up flying back 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:32.960 with the team to Houston. I had to miss one 1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:35.599 day of practice and then ten days started. So then 1:11:35.640 --> 1:11:39.280 me and Chuck Hayes both signed ten day contracts and 1:11:39.280 --> 1:11:42.639 then I signed another ten day after that, and then 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:44.599 they had to make a decision or where They're gonna 1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:46.960 keep me for the rest of the year or they 1:11:47.040 --> 1:11:49.080 was gonna let me go. So they ended up letting 1:11:49.120 --> 1:11:51.320 me go. They kept Chuck Hayes, So I ended up 1:11:51.320 --> 1:11:53.960 going back to Tulsa finished up that year and then 1:11:53.960 --> 1:11:55.920 that's when I went to Europe. Then a team in 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:59.320 Italy called me to go play in the playoffs, and 1:11:59.320 --> 1:12:03.400 that's when I played with Poor Allen, Yeah Street, you 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:05.400 know poor Allen University coach. 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:06.919 He coached me in Boston. 1:12:07.040 --> 1:12:10.040 Correct, So cool was I replaced? I didn't replace him, 1:12:10.080 --> 1:12:11.920 he was injured, so I was kind of like coming 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:14.880 in on his spot. And I've never been overseas a 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:18.280 day in my life mm hm, And so I was like, 1:12:18.520 --> 1:12:21.639 oh no, I was ready to check out. They put 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:23.080 me in a hotel, you know, you in the NBA 1:12:23.240 --> 1:12:25.280 us A, and they put me in a hole in 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:27.080 the wall. And then I was like, I'm calasophobic a 1:12:27.120 --> 1:12:28.840 little bit, so I wanted to go raise the window. 1:12:29.400 --> 1:12:31.200 No light coming in because they had a metal sheet 1:12:31.240 --> 1:12:33.360 over the window. I'm like, oh, man, got me in jail, 1:12:33.479 --> 1:12:36.800 Like that's why but I didn't know that was their 1:12:37.080 --> 1:12:39.160 blind So it's a metal sheet to keep the you know. 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:40.519 So so if I would have went like this, then 1:12:40.560 --> 1:12:42.559 the metal sheet goes up. I didn't know that, like, 1:12:42.920 --> 1:12:46.040 and the bed was fall out out and my dad. 1:12:46.120 --> 1:12:47.479 I called my dad. I was like, man, I'm about 1:12:47.520 --> 1:12:49.360 to swipe the car. Just know I'm about to swipe 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:52.000 the car, and I'm coming home. They can keep this 1:12:52.040 --> 1:12:54.400 bread like. I'm just gonna get ready for some leg 1:12:54.640 --> 1:12:56.639 My dad was like, just go to the first practice. 1:12:57.760 --> 1:12:59.000 He was like, just go to because you know, when 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:01.920 I get around ball, I'm in my conference zone straight. 1:13:02.120 --> 1:13:04.320 So I went to my first practice and I was, okay, 1:13:04.400 --> 1:13:06.720 let me, I can do one more day. And then 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:09.439 I just kept letting, and then I just that was 1:13:09.479 --> 1:13:13.799 my first time playing Europe and I played only played playoffs. 1:13:13.840 --> 1:13:18.559 I got thirty five thousand for seven games. That was 1:13:18.600 --> 1:13:21.040 more than my G League contact, my D League contact 1:13:21.040 --> 1:13:23.960 because at the time, that was a year in G League, right, No, 1:13:24.080 --> 1:13:27.880 less was my biggest contract in the in the D 1:13:28.000 --> 1:13:30.400 League was we had. So this was I feel like 1:13:30.439 --> 1:13:32.400 they should bring it to the NIL because this shit, 1:13:32.479 --> 1:13:34.639 you know what I mean. I was just speaking about 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:36.240 this like in the D League at the time. You 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:38.920 had three contents. You had an A contract, you had 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:41.400 a B contract, and you have a C contract. This 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:44.400 is the game. Yeah, two top dogs got the A 1:13:44.560 --> 1:13:47.679 contract in the A contract with twenty five thousand dollars. Oh, 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:50.439 that was the That was the A. The B contract 1:13:50.479 --> 1:13:54.000 was eighteen to five. The C contract was around fifteen 1:13:54.080 --> 1:13:55.160 something games. 1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:57.240 You played a week energy week. 1:13:57.400 --> 1:14:01.080 Three played three and so me and but Noard King 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:03.560 was on the A Contractard King went to Texas A 1:14:03.600 --> 1:14:10.160 and l boy no, no, no, and then we and 1:14:10.200 --> 1:14:12.680 then we had our Will Conroy who was doing this 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:15.680 thing at USC. He was he had Washington now he's 1:14:15.680 --> 1:14:18.320 at USC. He was a teammate of mine, right and 1:14:18.360 --> 1:14:20.240 he was a point guard. So Will and I used 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:21.960 to bump his all time because he thought he should 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:25.920 be playing more than me. But he just made each 1:14:25.960 --> 1:14:28.599 other better, you know what I'm saying. And when I 1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:30.639 get called up, he will start. But when I come back, 1:14:30.680 --> 1:14:33.360 I get my spot back, and it will always call 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:36.120 friction because he'll be hooping, you know what I'm saying. 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:38.000 But I coach at the time, coach myers when it 1:14:38.080 --> 1:14:40.720 be like, oh, we're gonna ease you back in. I 1:14:40.800 --> 1:14:42.280 was like, now you can, You're coming back. You just 1:14:42.280 --> 1:14:44.599 get your spot right now. Yeah, so it called out. 1:14:44.760 --> 1:14:46.840 I only made twenty five thousand my first year as 1:14:46.880 --> 1:14:49.240 a professional, first of all player. Then I went to 1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:55.200 Italy and made the thirty five. So my man, I'm 1:14:55.240 --> 1:14:57.800 looking at I made like seventy thousand, a little bit 1:14:57.840 --> 1:15:00.719 and some change my my first year is profession athlete. 1:15:01.280 --> 1:15:03.000 And so I was like, man, I'm not going back 1:15:03.040 --> 1:15:08.200 over whatever it is. But I'm just saying, but I 1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:10.920 mean other money besides that, we have we have bonuses. Though, 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:13.000 I have bonuses in my in, my in, my thing, 1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:16.640 so yeah I have I have bonuses and stuff like 1:15:16.640 --> 1:15:19.519 if I score a certain mound points. I got like 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:22.599 this because Europe is different, get bonuses. So I told 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:24.400 my part I ain't going back overseas. 1:15:24.760 --> 1:15:26.800 What was your I mean, what was the difference stuff? 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:30.120 What you mean lifestyle? And I was home. I couldn't 1:15:30.160 --> 1:15:30.720 understand nothing. 1:15:30.720 --> 1:15:33.160 Nobody was saying to Italy, Oh yeah me either. What's 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:35.599 the game, Like, huh, the game? 1:15:35.720 --> 1:15:40.480 The game is very strategic. The game is very strategic. 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:44.760 They wanted to be a playmaker, like they want they 1:15:44.760 --> 1:15:46.799 really want me to be a point guard. Oh okay, 1:15:48.360 --> 1:15:54.360 but I'm a points guard. Points I got points, and 1:15:54.439 --> 1:15:57.679 I usually get frustrated because would be losing. They put 1:15:57.720 --> 1:15:59.479 me in the game and I scored quick fifteen, then 1:15:59.520 --> 1:16:01.160 they take me the game. I'm like, yo, I'm on fire, 1:16:01.160 --> 1:16:02.640 Why do you take me out the game? They'll go 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:10.280 back and so I would be like, you know what 1:16:10.280 --> 1:16:13.519 I'm saying, he playing like with me? So I never 1:16:13.720 --> 1:16:16.200 I didn't fit Europe, but I played euro League like 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:18.120 we lost in the final. For I played on some 1:16:18.160 --> 1:16:21.840 good teams, but I was like, like, y'all put me 1:16:21.840 --> 1:16:23.400 in the game when we down, and then when we 1:16:23.520 --> 1:16:25.280 when I get us back in the game, y'all take 1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:27.639 me out. Ye who was the cold that you saw 1:16:27.760 --> 1:16:30.439 over there when he was across the water Bell and Nelly? 1:16:31.560 --> 1:16:31.800 Nelly? 1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:35.160 He was the person he played and then the other 1:16:35.200 --> 1:16:37.000 one was the other one was. 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:41.479 He was playing in New Orleans about ten screens? 1:16:41.520 --> 1:16:43.640 What's the one that? And the big man who got 1:16:43.720 --> 1:16:49.439 drafted by Toronto first round? Nelly Yanni was the other one. 1:16:49.479 --> 1:16:55.439 I played him in Italy was nice, but in Spain, Spain, 1:16:55.600 --> 1:17:01.160 my teammate was talking to Iago splitter y'all, so we lost. 1:17:01.280 --> 1:17:03.320 So that was the year I won, so people don't 1:17:03.320 --> 1:17:06.519 even realize I won a D League championship with the 1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:07.680 Colorado fourteeners. 1:17:08.280 --> 1:17:15.400 I left them, so it's me. 1:17:17.040 --> 1:17:25.240 Colorado fourteen. They got better, but I had Sonny Wims 1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:28.160 on my team, so we were We had an NBA 1:17:28.280 --> 1:17:31.120 team like Sernie Hamilton was on that team. You probably 1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:34.920 play against Vernon Dam so we always team. We we 1:17:35.040 --> 1:17:37.679 ran through. We end up beating Salt Lake City Stars 1:17:37.720 --> 1:17:41.280 in the championship two days. Two days later, I'm in 1:17:41.360 --> 1:17:44.920 Spain playing for the U League Championship and then we 1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:47.320 end up losing in the final four, and then we 1:17:47.400 --> 1:17:50.320 end up losing to Barcelona in the A C B Championship. 1:17:50.320 --> 1:17:52.000 So I could have tried to win three championships in 1:17:52.040 --> 1:17:56.320 one year. That's fine, But back to like my first 1:17:56.360 --> 1:17:58.439 year after I came back from Italy, I'm not going 1:17:58.439 --> 1:18:01.559 back to Europe. So I ended up playing Summer League 1:18:01.560 --> 1:18:04.559 with the Rockets. I should have got MVP of Summer League, 1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:08.640 but technically I wasn't a rookie because I played so 1:18:08.800 --> 1:18:12.400 Randy Foy that year is when Nate Nate went crazy 1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:14.720 in that and then Randy Foyd was a rookie that 1:18:14.800 --> 1:18:18.240 year with men of Minnesota. I averaged twenty eight, eight 1:18:18.280 --> 1:18:21.439 and eight in summer with the Houston Rockets. Guess who 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:24.920 my coach was, your dad? No, I guess you. My 1:18:24.960 --> 1:18:34.479 coach was Tom Thibodeau. Tims read every play for me. 1:18:35.240 --> 1:18:38.200 If you know Timms, if he like you, you're gonna 1:18:38.240 --> 1:18:39.559 get every play call. 1:18:39.800 --> 1:18:45.000 Every play I had angle, I had side pick and roll. 1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:47.320 Everything was me coming off the pig into all my 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:48.880 sweet spots and he said, if you see the rim, 1:18:48.920 --> 1:18:49.360 you let it go. 1:18:50.000 --> 1:18:50.120 Ti. 1:18:51.280 --> 1:18:54.559 I had Pat Carroll who played for He was on 1:18:54.600 --> 1:18:56.360 my team, so I got a lot of from him. 1:18:56.800 --> 1:18:59.640 And then if you look like people you've been with. 1:18:59.720 --> 1:19:03.320 Tim tis my favorite coach Till. I love coaches like Tills, 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:06.000 my favorite. My best career is in the NBA was 1:19:06.840 --> 1:19:10.040 coaches that fell unneath the same unbro So Tills, Ben 1:19:10.120 --> 1:19:11.559 Gundhi and Stan Benga. 1:19:11.880 --> 1:19:14.160 They are all the same. They wanted the same. 1:19:14.280 --> 1:19:18.360 They wanted played for Jeff Yep Houston. Jeff was my 1:19:18.439 --> 1:19:22.240 coach and then Tims was my workout guy. So every 1:19:22.320 --> 1:19:23.599 day I worked out with Tills. 1:19:23.720 --> 1:19:24.960 They wanted the same. 1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:28.000 Every day until y'all me step some court and I 1:19:28.000 --> 1:19:29.320 had to move to the side and it was time 1:19:29.360 --> 1:19:34.360 for y'all mean to get his work. But yeah, ray 1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:38.280 for Austin load. They wanted, you know, we so Tims 1:19:38.439 --> 1:19:40.960 ended up coaching something league. I aver twenty eighty eight. 1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:43.920 I signed my contract in the bathroom. I signed a 1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:47.519 three year contract from one point nine. And that ain't 1:19:47.800 --> 1:19:50.000 that's bro, That's no bread. 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:52.160 From what point you're just trying to get. 1:19:52.000 --> 1:19:55.160 That's no bread. It's bread, but it's no bread. But 1:19:55.240 --> 1:19:57.479 at the time, you know, I'm like, you're trying not 1:19:57.520 --> 1:19:59.800 to go back. I should have won the New Orleans 1:20:00.240 --> 1:20:02.639 I should have been Chris Paul Backer. What they wanted 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:05.120 to do was I should have just left to see 1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:07.320 Houston when I was got three for three. It was 1:20:07.360 --> 1:20:07.760 too much. 1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:10.680 He was in love. He was in love with being 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:11.040 at home. 1:20:13.560 --> 1:20:14.040 I'm home. 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:15.479 That was a great time in Houston. 1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:19.000 It was a great Timmy. I'm I'm the prince of 1:20:19.080 --> 1:20:22.200 the city, like you know, out every night. 1:20:23.960 --> 1:20:26.680 In the president of city, pent. 1:20:26.400 --> 1:20:33.559 City, being like Jesse. Imagine, like I don't know about 1:20:34.040 --> 1:20:37.920 three to have about night clubs. I don't go to clubs, 1:20:38.280 --> 1:20:42.040 but I was him. 1:20:42.920 --> 1:20:46.719 I was him before everybody saying week in the bitch 1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:47.439 on uh. 1:20:50.600 --> 1:20:53.400 You know, just some heat. You know, I keep trying 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:57.439 to tell you. It was crazy and we had a 1:20:57.439 --> 1:20:57.800 good team. 1:20:57.840 --> 1:20:57.960 Though. 1:20:58.080 --> 1:20:59.640 Color the which one of. 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:02.200 The Kobe your phone, you could be sick of it. 1:21:02.800 --> 1:21:03.679 It was blue. 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:04.080 It was like. 1:21:05.760 --> 1:21:11.840 It was blue blue. It was like the different. It 1:21:11.960 --> 1:21:17.160 was different. You know, you know I can tell you exactly. 1:21:18.800 --> 1:21:21.320 Let me show you step back. 1:21:21.439 --> 1:21:22.280 Was coming on that one. 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:27.960 Color right that coming on that? How was going left? 1:21:28.200 --> 1:21:30.880 I see the feed, I was going left, say man, 1:21:31.040 --> 1:21:32.519 shout out to the fourteen I had. 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:34.960 I had a nice little hairline. Then it just disappeared 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:36.120 one day disappeared. 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:41.040 So you're going from Houston and now you got to 1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:42.719 make your way in the NBA. You know, you signed 1:21:42.720 --> 1:21:45.519 your three year deal. You're back at the city. What's 1:21:45.560 --> 1:21:46.240 that journey like. 1:21:48.280 --> 1:21:48.759 In Houston? 1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:50.640 I mean you get you get to Houston, you got 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:51.400 your three year deal. 1:21:51.520 --> 1:21:51.640 Man. 1:21:51.680 --> 1:21:52.880 I stayed at my parents' house. 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:54.519 You ain't the only one. 1:21:55.080 --> 1:21:56.679 Like my dad was like, you ain't gonna get no spot. 1:21:56.720 --> 1:21:59.720 I was like looking for places. He was like, no, 1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:02.160 you gonna stay right here. You're gonna say you're gona 1:22:02.160 --> 1:22:04.320 say right here. I'm gonna stack your money up. 1:22:04.479 --> 1:22:06.640 I had girls and my mom and daddy when I 1:22:06.680 --> 1:22:07.800 moved back then, No, I just. 1:22:07.840 --> 1:22:11.880 You know, hotel room about two hundreds, you know, yeah, 1:22:11.960 --> 1:22:13.960 you know, you know I probably got a little paper 1:22:14.000 --> 1:22:19.519 in my podcasting forty he going to a trap house, 1:22:21.560 --> 1:22:26.840 but I got but my dad was. But the thing is, 1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:29.519 my dad I didn't realize. He was like, bro, you 1:22:29.560 --> 1:22:32.120 ain't really making money like that because taxes and everything 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:34.040 come in. It was like, you just stay at the house, 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:37.720 your mama cook every night. We ain't gonna bother you. 1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:40.120 We I don't give it them when you come home, 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:42.040 no matter if you come home. And now you've grown. 1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:44.479 But he was like, you stack your braid. So what 1:22:44.600 --> 1:22:46.160 I used to do with my my first check, I 1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:48.040 used to keep a check and then I send a 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:50.680 check to my financial. I keep a check, send the 1:22:50.720 --> 1:22:53.040 next check to my financial. So it's just like I 1:22:53.160 --> 1:22:56.519 was the Thacond. But my habit was out by jewelry. 1:22:57.120 --> 1:22:57.360 Yeah. 1:22:59.280 --> 1:23:00.920 Like my thing was like I was like, okay, I'm 1:23:00.920 --> 1:23:02.360 gonna get a new change. So my dad was like 1:23:02.439 --> 1:23:05.040 he'll let me make those mistakes. He was, Oh, you 1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:08.200 got a new chain, Oh you got a new watch. 1:23:09.760 --> 1:23:11.679 I ain't got a new bracelet. Like he just kept 1:23:11.880 --> 1:23:15.000 it was okay, like he'd just let me, you know, 1:23:15.080 --> 1:23:16.960 because he was like he's gonna everybody got to go 1:23:17.080 --> 1:23:19.960 through them. But he was like it was a teaching lesson. 1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:22.640 But I'm thinking, like I'm doing good saving. But then 1:23:23.040 --> 1:23:24.439 when you go to jew or you see a new 1:23:24.520 --> 1:23:25.920 chain you want and you try to trade in your 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:28.559 chain and it's the same change you just brought frohim 1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:30.599 like two weeks ago, but he trying to knock off 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:33.519 three thousands of the price. So I was like, the 1:23:33.640 --> 1:23:35.720 value di, So you just learned as you go. My 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:37.840 path is like everything my pops did for me was 1:23:37.840 --> 1:23:40.400 a learning lesson. I called it. I call him the 1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:45.320 blueprint is definitely, I call him the blueprint. But yeah, 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:48.200 I stayed home. And how long did you stay home? 1:23:48.320 --> 1:23:51.439 You stayed home years? I stayed I got there. I 1:23:51.520 --> 1:23:55.559 stayed two years. And then they fired Jeff. They brought 1:23:55.600 --> 1:24:01.040 in recounted me, and we brought back Steve Francis, We 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:06.080 brought back Mike James, old school Mac James, and then 1:24:06.120 --> 1:24:09.639 we had then we just drafted Aaron Brooks, we had 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:12.200 we had myself, we had Rafael Austin. 1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:18.519 Shot the world with you. 1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:22.640 So then we had seven point guards all in the 1:24:22.680 --> 1:24:26.880 guaranteed contracts, so I and so I tried to get cut. 1:24:26.960 --> 1:24:28.519 I was like, I'm gonna go play for another team, 1:24:28.560 --> 1:24:31.000 but they owe me like seven hundred, but they wanted 1:24:31.040 --> 1:24:32.760 me to give money back, and my daddy always told me, 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:35.599 don't get no money back. So I just went into 1:24:35.680 --> 1:24:37.640 training camp and I just played my heart out like 1:24:37.680 --> 1:24:40.439 I was about to change their minds. They just brought 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:43.080 back Steve Francis before me and gave Mike James for me, 1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:46.080 and then they trying to trade Ray for Austin. They 1:24:46.240 --> 1:24:48.120 drafted Aaron Brooks, you know what I'm saying. So it 1:24:48.240 --> 1:24:50.240 was like I went in there and then I had 1:24:50.240 --> 1:24:52.200 a hell of preseason and they kept me all the 1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:54.680 way to the end, and Rick Adaman was trying to 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:56.200 figure out a way to keep me on because I 1:24:56.200 --> 1:25:00.200 actually was playing football and I just got first D 1:25:00.800 --> 1:25:03.040 and when they cut me, I was still getting paid, 1:25:03.120 --> 1:25:07.439 and I was just like, you know what, I'm going 1:25:07.600 --> 1:25:13.760 to enjoy the holidays. So I enjoyed Thanksgiving, Christmas and 1:25:13.880 --> 1:25:15.680 New Year's and then I was itching to play. And 1:25:15.720 --> 1:25:18.040 then that's why I called my agents, Okay, I'm ready 1:25:18.040 --> 1:25:20.519 to go play, and so I did my second stint 1:25:22.080 --> 1:25:24.920 in Europe with a euro League team called Benetton. It's 1:25:24.960 --> 1:25:29.800 not there anymore. It was in Treviso and Reach Games 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:33.200 was a teammate of mine, Royo Austin, and then Lionel 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:35.280 Charmers was a teammate of mine who I went against 1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:38.880 in Minnesota and Minnesota. Yeah, so it was just like that, 1:25:39.040 --> 1:25:42.880 and then we ain't gonna talk about that situation. But 1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:46.720 I ended up leaving that situation. I got picked up 1:25:46.720 --> 1:25:49.439 by the Seattle SuperSonics. But the way I left in 1:25:49.520 --> 1:25:52.320 Italy that held my release papers. So I took my 1:25:52.400 --> 1:25:54.519 physical on everysteine to play the last year with the 1:25:54.520 --> 1:26:02.720 Seattle SuperSonics, which was Jeff Green and Kd's year, and yeah, 1:26:02.760 --> 1:26:05.240 I'm about to run out on the court and Sam 1:26:05.320 --> 1:26:07.280 Precy pulled me to his side, said they won't. They 1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:09.360 won't give us your release paper. So they end up 1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:15.360 signing the boy from your hometown, Eddie Gill Little. 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:18.160 Oh he's talking about he worked with he worked with 1:26:18.200 --> 1:26:18.679 the patients. 1:26:18.760 --> 1:26:21.360 But Eddie, they end up and Eddie Gill got that 1:26:21.880 --> 1:26:23.920 get them last thirty days when I was supposed to 1:26:23.960 --> 1:26:27.000 get that cost me, Like I'm being at least to 1:26:27.479 --> 1:26:31.320 seventy five three. So then then okay See and then 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:34.280 Seattle end up moving to ok See and I ended 1:26:34.360 --> 1:26:36.080 up playing on ok See team. 1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:38.519 Yeah, listen, mate, I had a couple of great So 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:39.880 we got to ask you a couple before we get 1:26:39.880 --> 1:26:42.639 out of here. Let's talk about the Bulls situation in Chicago. Obviously, 1:26:42.680 --> 1:26:45.640 great weekend, Honor and d Rose. I wasn't playing in 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:48.320 the city of Chicago, man, best city ever. 1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:52.960 It ain't the best city ever, but it's really nice 1:26:53.000 --> 1:26:55.280 for basketball Indianapolis. 1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:56.360 Don't let them. 1:26:57.520 --> 1:27:00.880 Actually, it's nothing like walking on the same hallway Jordan's 1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:02.680 and Pipping and all them walk in every night. And 1:27:04.080 --> 1:27:07.040 then it sold out that you yeah what I'm saying, 1:27:07.080 --> 1:27:10.680 and it so and it sold out every game and 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:12.200 we was the number one team in the NBA. 1:27:13.240 --> 1:27:15.400 I killed y'all though, but y'all, we still. 1:27:15.240 --> 1:27:19.679 Won the battle. You know what I'm saying. I whole award. 1:27:19.800 --> 1:27:25.320 We want, we want everything about it. We want everything. 1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:28.320 But like we they almost they almost had us in 1:27:28.360 --> 1:27:31.679 the playoffs. They almost had us in the playoffs. Shout 1:27:31.720 --> 1:27:34.760 out to Smooth. We used to love with Smooth made 1:27:34.800 --> 1:27:37.519 his first shot because we was like, oh, he gonna 1:27:37.560 --> 1:27:41.280 take away Jeff's shots. He's gonna take away Johnson shot 1:27:41.320 --> 1:27:44.160 because he gonna think he owns. And that's what happened 1:27:44.160 --> 1:27:46.560 in the playoffs, end up being all game six and 1:27:46.640 --> 1:27:48.760 when he hit that first shot in Atlanta in that 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:51.080 game six, we was all on the bench. Oh yes, 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:59.840 we got him. We got him, man. But I'm just 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:02.600 saying he would be he would be owned. So you know, 1:28:02.680 --> 1:28:04.800 as any score would be. You see your you see 1:28:04.800 --> 1:28:06.800 the ball going, you're gonna think you own. But now 1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:09.720 you're taking shots because Jeff and Joe, Jeff and Joe 1:28:09.880 --> 1:28:13.519 was cooking us. That's that that's serious. Was it was playing. 1:28:13.720 --> 1:28:17.000 It was playing great basketball. But we just had we 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:21.360 had Pod and and and who would do some humble 1:28:21.439 --> 1:28:23.360 you know that's m v P year. He did. 1:28:24.840 --> 1:28:28.160 What like like, you know, you've been a part about 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:30.679 some you've been around Kobe, He's been on some great players. 1:28:31.040 --> 1:28:36.280 When before damn d Rose got hurt, before you got hurt, Like, 1:28:36.760 --> 1:28:37.640 where did you rank him? 1:28:37.640 --> 1:28:39.639 Like what did you see? Because niggas was scared of him? 1:28:40.200 --> 1:28:42.120 Oh bro, we had we used to have this thing 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:45.840 called the Rose flew. People was ducking him. Oh god, 1:28:46.120 --> 1:28:48.080 some of your favorite players was ducking him. I'm gonna 1:28:48.080 --> 1:28:49.479 say that in the camp, some of your favorite players 1:28:49.520 --> 1:28:52.600 that was dunking him ship and we've seen him. I 1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:55.880 ain't gonna say no names because he's all colleagues, but we, 1:28:56.160 --> 1:28:58.360 like we'll be we used to mess with like the 1:28:58.400 --> 1:29:00.839 other point guards on the team, because you know, sometimes 1:29:00.880 --> 1:29:02.720 he'd be playing sometimes, you know, we'd be like, oh 1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:05.880 he playing today? Are he playing today? We just warm 1:29:06.000 --> 1:29:08.080 up seeing that, and all of a sudden, like we 1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:10.519 get to report before the game start, so and so 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:12.519 out with an ankle injury. But we just saw him 1:29:12.600 --> 1:29:17.679 work out a full workout before the game. Nobody, kids, 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:21.200 you not, nobody wanted to smoke with that man. The 1:29:21.680 --> 1:29:25.919 kids today not even gonna realize how much of an impact, 1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:31.240 but how good d Rose wasivable. He was unbelievable and 1:29:31.400 --> 1:29:32.280 he practiced hard. 1:29:33.080 --> 1:29:34.880 Do you think job Moran is comparable. 1:29:35.640 --> 1:29:39.000 No, he was unbelievable, specially. 1:29:38.880 --> 1:29:42.800 Job specially two different. I see the similarities and certain thing, 1:29:44.640 --> 1:29:48.200 but I don't think you can compare anybody him at 1:29:48.240 --> 1:29:52.800 that time. Animal, I'm just I'm night in and night 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:54.960 out practice every day seeing it. 1:29:55.360 --> 1:29:58.479 You know, you just and at that time, no disrespect 1:29:58.520 --> 1:29:59.880 to the point guards. Now, it was just like a 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:01.240 elite level of point guard. 1:30:01.320 --> 1:30:05.120 Yeah, Will, everybody is every point guard was called rando 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:10.519 CP Steve nash Will, like he said, every team point 1:30:10.560 --> 1:30:12.040 guard was just nasty, nasty. 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:14.440 It was like you had young Kimball, Brandon Jennings. 1:30:14.400 --> 1:30:16.240 Separated yourself just from everybody. 1:30:16.479 --> 1:30:17.920 He was just he just. 1:30:20.040 --> 1:30:20.599 But you had. 1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:26.320 You know, you just it was just he was like 1:30:26.479 --> 1:30:28.720 it was just he was different and you could tell 1:30:29.479 --> 1:30:31.680 how this you know, it was crazy how the city was, 1:30:31.760 --> 1:30:34.160 how the city showing him love for this, what we're 1:30:34.320 --> 1:30:38.080 what we're out here for Jesse. Imagine he brought that 1:30:38.360 --> 1:30:41.240 energy they're giving him now, he brought that every night 1:30:41.280 --> 1:30:44.560 because he wasn't gonna let the city down. Yeah, he 1:30:44.640 --> 1:30:46.280 did it more than just for him and his family. 1:30:46.400 --> 1:30:48.040 He did it for the for the shot. 1:30:48.520 --> 1:30:52.479 Playing against him at that time, like I had guard 1:30:52.800 --> 1:30:55.840 like all the fire point guard at this time, and 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:59.439 like him, it was just like this nigga just got 1:30:59.479 --> 1:31:03.919 a different gear, Like I wasn't scared of nobody playing basketball. 1:31:04.080 --> 1:31:06.080 Was like I wasn't scared of him, Like I played 1:31:06.120 --> 1:31:09.120 him in high school. And then you get every they 1:31:09.200 --> 1:31:12.200 used to run his forehead play. They run it every 1:31:12.280 --> 1:31:14.960 time down You're like what the fuck and he just 1:31:15.160 --> 1:31:19.200 never stopped you. He missed two shots, like yeah, motheruck, 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:23.439 he can't shoot the next four possessions. He's attacking you 1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:26.960 like he never quit, Like like yo, this that's why 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:29.920 I tell you to guard Steph. I didn't guard Kyrie. 1:31:30.800 --> 1:31:32.400 I didn't guard you name. 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:37.720 Him see will cp he Rose was the most like 1:31:38.120 --> 1:31:41.439 he was crazy, bro. I'm like, yeah, this niggad different? 1:31:42.240 --> 1:31:43.120 Who next in line? 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:43.320 Though? 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:44.720 He got here? 1:31:45.640 --> 1:31:46.400 Who you got next on? 1:31:46.680 --> 1:31:46.960 Like who? 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:49.080 I just couldn't stand the guard because it was just 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:52.080 like Steph is annoying because he's not. 1:31:52.120 --> 1:31:55.519 Even like a point. He like throw the ball and 1:31:55.600 --> 1:31:57.120 then he started running Kyrie. 1:31:57.439 --> 1:31:57.799 Kyrie. 1:31:58.200 --> 1:32:00.960 Kyrie is like guarding a two guard like Guard and 1:32:01.080 --> 1:32:03.080 Kobe Bryant. He gonna post you up, He's gonna do 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:06.639 all that stuff. But like I rather guard Kyrie because 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:09.799 I know where he gonna catch the ball. Like d Rose, 1:32:10.160 --> 1:32:12.200 he bringing the ball up, getting a pick and roll. 1:32:12.600 --> 1:32:14.840 He might call pick and roll off. He might I 1:32:15.000 --> 1:32:16.680 sow you know, like you didn't know. 1:32:16.800 --> 1:32:20.080 And it was all like attacking, like Kyrie might jab 1:32:20.160 --> 1:32:22.679 you jabby three and if you three, you can test 1:32:22.720 --> 1:32:23.120 you just got. 1:32:23.120 --> 1:32:25.639 To live with it. The Rose wants you no threes. 1:32:26.439 --> 1:32:29.120 He was getting. He was straight at you like you 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:30.000 north to south. 1:32:30.160 --> 1:32:32.559 You either go on getting a foul or you're getting 1:32:32.560 --> 1:32:36.400 scored on it. And then Westbrook was kind of like similar. 1:32:36.840 --> 1:32:39.800 The only thing that held Westbrook back is like he 1:32:39.960 --> 1:32:43.080 had k D and James at this time, and it's 1:32:43.160 --> 1:32:45.720 like not holding back, but you knew like he had 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:47.000 to at some point in time. 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:51.880 These two guys touched the rock. Rose had that Lou 1:32:52.400 --> 1:32:55.880 was gonna cut. He was finding all them. Nobody had 1:32:55.960 --> 1:32:58.040 no set plays. It was just really d ro is 1:32:58.040 --> 1:32:59.360 gonna make the place for everybody else. 1:33:00.040 --> 1:33:02.760 But he was, Yeah, he was, and you know it 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:05.560 made us so good that we had great players, but 1:33:05.680 --> 1:33:08.560 everybody knew they wrong. We all accepted that. 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:08.760 Bro. 1:33:08.920 --> 1:33:10.920 I knew I wasn't gonna play with c J. And 1:33:11.040 --> 1:33:14.400 d Rose was healthy, you know, but I had to 1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:17.280 stay ready because tims were always because of my shooting ability. 1:33:17.280 --> 1:33:19.280 He'll throw me in at the two guard to spread 1:33:19.320 --> 1:33:21.240 the court out, and now my guy would go help 1:33:21.320 --> 1:33:23.640 d Rose because he's drawing some more attention kick out 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:26.439 of me. So you always had this even though I knew, like, okay, 1:33:26.479 --> 1:33:29.519 they're healthy, I might not play today, so but I 1:33:29.720 --> 1:33:29.920 was just. 1:33:31.840 --> 1:33:32.400 I was just. 1:33:32.600 --> 1:33:34.360 I always wanted to be one of the one percent. 1:33:35.960 --> 1:33:40.040 Happen when Lebron jumped over you. I don't know how 1:33:40.080 --> 1:33:45.320 I got to that, because that's all I have. 1:33:46.720 --> 1:33:50.360 I was gonna slide to my nigga transitioning from basketball 1:33:50.479 --> 1:33:51.000 to coaching. 1:33:51.479 --> 1:33:59.360 We're here, I mean you woke up. That ship was 1:33:59.439 --> 1:34:04.840 everywhere about like I'm being the Hall of Fame every time. 1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:08.360 I don't fame every time the playoffs start, and I'm 1:34:08.400 --> 1:34:08.840 cool with it. 1:34:09.600 --> 1:34:11.280 Three is what was you thinking? 1:34:11.840 --> 1:34:14.559 I wasn't thinking. I ain't see it happen until until 1:34:14.680 --> 1:34:16.479 we called time out and they put it on the jumper. 1:34:16.680 --> 1:34:18.800 Why didn't you electric slide to the left because of 1:34:18.880 --> 1:34:20.479 rip him? I can't wait for him to get here, 1:34:22.400 --> 1:34:25.680 that's yeah, because it was ripped guy. Yeah, he was 1:34:25.680 --> 1:34:27.600 supposed to drop back. I called to pick out. He 1:34:27.640 --> 1:34:29.360 supposed drop back. He supposed to be the low man. 1:34:29.439 --> 1:34:33.680 But you know we so defensively minded. Tips. Okay, you 1:34:33.760 --> 1:34:35.280 got caught up on the screen, so let me. I 1:34:35.360 --> 1:34:37.760 gotta take your spot, and that goofy ass play. They 1:34:37.800 --> 1:34:40.320 still running to this day. Mario, who is one of 1:34:40.400 --> 1:34:42.720 my really good friends man. When he did that, I 1:34:42.840 --> 1:34:45.760 he talked to him for like two days he could. 1:34:45.840 --> 1:34:49.240 I didn't talk to him. It was he jumped and 1:34:49.360 --> 1:34:51.240 when I when I look, I'm like, dn, who he 1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:51.840 throwing that too? 1:34:52.120 --> 1:34:53.800 And then like that. 1:34:54.120 --> 1:34:55.720 But that is my mind, so I'm like, yo, who 1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:57.320 he throwing that to? And when I when I looked 1:34:57.400 --> 1:34:59.760 up and you see me like this, all I see 1:34:59.840 --> 1:35:02.920 is and I'm like, he dunted it, and he had 1:35:02.960 --> 1:35:06.320 a nerve to look back at it. So my mind 1:35:06.360 --> 1:35:07.880 she was like, yo, here, you'll tee the ball. I'm 1:35:07.880 --> 1:35:10.040 gonna run. I'm gonna run down and get a bucket. 1:35:10.520 --> 1:35:13.320 But Tims called a timeout. So now when Tim's call 1:35:14.960 --> 1:35:18.240 So now when Tim's call a time out, we're sitting. 1:35:18.320 --> 1:35:20.280 Now Tim's in the middle with Andy and all them, 1:35:20.600 --> 1:35:23.040 and now they got it going over the jumble like 1:35:23.400 --> 1:35:26.639 and Miami. You know, they were all white at the game. 1:35:27.000 --> 1:35:29.040 So you're looking up and it's all white and it 1:35:29.160 --> 1:35:32.760 is Oh, they're going crazy, you know what I'm saying. 1:35:32.920 --> 1:35:34.439 I'm like, and then he sucked me out. 1:35:36.320 --> 1:35:41.400 If he wasn't, if he watched the time I'm about 1:35:41.400 --> 1:35:43.920 to get back in the game, he put pull back 1:35:43.960 --> 1:35:47.680 in the game, so I ain't really get my look 1:35:47.760 --> 1:35:48.360 back into. 1:35:48.320 --> 1:35:51.720 Two weeks later today came here. But what saved me 1:35:51.920 --> 1:35:54.000 was like two days later. That's when because I was 1:35:54.120 --> 1:35:59.719 number one for like a lot until until Blake Griffin 1:35:59.760 --> 1:36:02.800 don't don't Kendrick Perkins and throw the ball man, and 1:36:02.840 --> 1:36:07.960 then he became No. One and I slid. Yeah, but 1:36:08.120 --> 1:36:09.240 that's what's saying. 1:36:10.520 --> 1:36:10.920 For the show. 1:36:11.080 --> 1:36:13.000 Yeah, but when that happened, Bro, I could like, and 1:36:13.120 --> 1:36:15.000 now you're like people like you know you got don't 1:36:15.000 --> 1:36:17.840 know my lebron like you. It's Jason Serry's a lot 1:36:17.880 --> 1:36:18.479 of y'all in that. 1:36:20.080 --> 1:36:20.360 Iconic. 1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:29.400 That's because clear bro he did, but he boomed up. 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:32.960 It got it got to the point in that game 1:36:33.040 --> 1:36:35.000 I thought he was picking on me. Bro First he 1:36:35.160 --> 1:36:38.000 jumped over me, right, and then I'm picking up full court. 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:39.840 He set up screen on me. I thought it was 1:36:39.920 --> 1:36:42.360 le I tried to fight him. I got up to 1:36:42.479 --> 1:36:42.880 fight him. 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:47.560 I got to slip you feel like I feel about Broo. 1:36:48.080 --> 1:36:50.639 I just said I can't be Yeah, it's like I'm 1:36:50.680 --> 1:36:51.320 taking him out. 1:36:52.160 --> 1:36:52.760 I just ran it. 1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:54.800 He went to the stands popcorn. 1:36:55.439 --> 1:36:57.320 That's what happened when niggas get embarrassed on the court. 1:36:57.360 --> 1:36:58.840 They trying to play extra hard. 1:37:04.080 --> 1:37:06.320 Nah, bro, I give you not. He said a pick 1:37:06.400 --> 1:37:08.000 on me. It was a legal screen like once you 1:37:08.080 --> 1:37:10.080 go back and watch it. But I was just like, 1:37:10.600 --> 1:37:12.960 oh he picked. I got a little man syndron boat 1:37:13.000 --> 1:37:15.519 like I feel like, like I ain't never gonna let 1:37:15.560 --> 1:37:18.760 nobody talk to get Like he's been around me, so 1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:21.280 he's seen he's seen a different side of me. So 1:37:22.240 --> 1:37:25.599 I'm like, oh, he gotta see me now. So it's 1:37:25.680 --> 1:37:27.720 like I'm trying to get up, but it's wet on 1:37:27.800 --> 1:37:29.640 the court, so I'm slipping his slide and trying to 1:37:29.680 --> 1:37:32.599 get to him. And when I pushed him, he didn't 1:37:32.680 --> 1:37:35.960 move and I went back and so now I'm like, 1:37:36.240 --> 1:37:39.040 oh ok. All I said was like, oh, let it 1:37:39.120 --> 1:37:44.040 be an NBA fight. Let everybody like, let everybody come 1:37:44.120 --> 1:37:45.519 in the middle and break it up, and then I'm 1:37:45.520 --> 1:37:48.519 gonna turn up. Oh you like that. And that's what 1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:51.760 happened because gets it ran over the room quick and 1:37:51.920 --> 1:37:56.439 like and like uh ma bo charmers who like get 1:37:56.479 --> 1:37:58.880 off me, like you know what I'm saying, Like, man, 1:37:58.960 --> 1:38:04.360 I got that unchecked. I was hot, but I was 1:38:04.439 --> 1:38:05.960 just like, oh you got and then two weeks later 1:38:06.040 --> 1:38:08.880 they came back, and for like a whole two weeks, 1:38:08.960 --> 1:38:12.640 I was just kept seeing there. Yeah, like Poo's one 1:38:12.680 --> 1:38:14.479 of my bits, like one of my really good friends, 1:38:15.240 --> 1:38:18.400 like he know how me and Pool. So Pool was 1:38:18.439 --> 1:38:20.639 really supposed to come back that game when we played 1:38:20.680 --> 1:38:25.519 Miami here and I knew if he came back. I 1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:30.040 called him on the phone. I said, Yo, gee, you 1:38:30.120 --> 1:38:33.680 gotta sit out this game. And he was like what 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:35.200 because he was itching to get back. You know, he 1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:37.479 missed like fos this game. I think he had turf 1:38:37.560 --> 1:38:39.880 toward it was something one of the injuries that I said, bo, 1:38:40.760 --> 1:38:44.680 this game, sit out. I gotta get my lick back. 1:38:45.400 --> 1:38:47.200 Like you don't realize what it been like for these 1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:49.800 two weeks for me, you know what I'm saying. My 1:38:49.920 --> 1:38:51.800 dad called me talking about that we about to get 1:38:51.840 --> 1:38:57.160 put in protective custody, and like he called me talking about, damn, 1:38:57.160 --> 1:38:59.160 you done make the name fame wors than ever, like 1:38:59.600 --> 1:39:02.639 he met swe me, and so I'm like, I gotta 1:39:02.680 --> 1:39:07.439 get my lick back, right man, everywhere I was everywhere. 1:39:07.640 --> 1:39:09.679 So I'm driving down the hallway right here. I lived 1:39:09.680 --> 1:39:11.840 out north cause we practice out there. I'm driving now 1:39:12.720 --> 1:39:15.000 it was I g if you if I sit out, 1:39:15.040 --> 1:39:19.479 you better kill. I said copy like no more man, 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:22.800 I had like three red bulls that I was turnt man. 1:39:22.920 --> 1:39:27.559 I check in the game, it was got I ain't 1:39:27.840 --> 1:39:29.800 I missed that one shot. I mean the only shot 1:39:29.800 --> 1:39:31.439 I missed was a wide open corner three. That was 1:39:31.439 --> 1:39:32.880 the only shot I missed that I had twenty four 1:39:32.920 --> 1:39:36.439 points National te game. And then I already had in 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:39.240 my mind if he because I was gonna cook Mario 1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:45.120 and I was gonna cook Norse Cou. I did then 1:39:45.160 --> 1:39:47.880 my guy, but I had one person in mind that 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:49.559 I had to get my link back. But those are 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:52.840 the guys that was guarding me. But I knew if 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:54.920 I cooked, was gonna switch off. 1:39:57.280 --> 1:39:57.760 Come over there. 1:39:57.880 --> 1:40:01.800 Fourth quarter, Bron switched off on me and kids calling 1:40:01.840 --> 1:40:04.240 to play for lou Out. That play went through everyone. 1:40:04.920 --> 1:40:06.680 All I saw is like that summer because it was 1:40:06.720 --> 1:40:09.040 lockout here that summer. I was playing in New York, 1:40:09.080 --> 1:40:10.560 so I was like really working on my game. So 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:13.679 that's summer sifty and Nike New York. I heard about 1:40:13.720 --> 1:40:17.320 that I had sixty the night KD has sixty one. 1:40:17.560 --> 1:40:19.640 I played in that game at Rutger. I had twenty one. 1:40:19.920 --> 1:40:22.800 The next night we played him, I had sixty, he 1:40:22.840 --> 1:40:25.519 had forty nine, but he won. So you know, but 1:40:25.720 --> 1:40:28.360 I made I made my name in New York as 1:40:28.400 --> 1:40:32.720 well by going to cool Hand Loo, Cool Hand Lo, 1:40:32.960 --> 1:40:38.080 Cool Hand Lou the gun Slinger. And so so when 1:40:38.120 --> 1:40:41.000 we came back, I started working on a double step back. 1:40:41.640 --> 1:40:43.439 So I was like, I got it. It's almost like you, 1:40:43.560 --> 1:40:45.439 you know, like a boxer, you gotta get your jab. 1:40:45.760 --> 1:40:47.519 So to me, a step back is like to get 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:50.400 you separation. Because of his length in my size, I 1:40:50.479 --> 1:40:51.160 knew I had to. 1:40:56.000 --> 1:40:59.160 I can't let that keep a gang with you. I 1:40:59.240 --> 1:40:59.640 didn't with. 1:40:59.720 --> 1:41:16.719 Grace's crazy that that's David and Ca Williams in Friday, Oh. 1:41:24.200 --> 1:41:25.280 Yo, or. 1:41:26.960 --> 1:41:34.439 I am a boy, oh my god son. So anyway, 1:41:36.560 --> 1:41:39.840 I had to go through a double step back because 1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:48.960 his arm limb right, DJ. So his arm limb so 1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:51.880 his arm lift DJ. I had because I had to 1:41:51.920 --> 1:41:54.400 see the rim. So when I hit him with the 1:41:54.600 --> 1:41:58.000 double and then I hit him him and so then 1:41:58.080 --> 1:41:59.960 I got my show. And so when I hit the show, 1:42:00.240 --> 1:42:02.439 I knew what the cameras were. What you do, I said, 1:42:02.479 --> 1:42:08.360 he can't hold me. It's all facts. Yeah, I said 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:10.639 he can't mother fucking hold me either. I look dead 1:42:10.640 --> 1:42:13.320 in the camera said that he was, and my dad 1:42:13.360 --> 1:42:15.200 called me, said, you had an out of body experience. 1:42:16.800 --> 1:42:22.560 He was like, listen, listen. He always humbles you. So 1:42:22.680 --> 1:42:23.960 he was like, let's keep it a buck. You had 1:42:23.960 --> 1:42:27.920 an out of body experience. Like you know what I'm saying. 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:33.519 He kept the buck with me. 1:42:33.640 --> 1:42:36.040 So that was I had thirty my first game against 1:42:36.600 --> 1:42:40.400 high school my senior year against Eric Gordon, and my 1:42:40.520 --> 1:42:43.479 dad was like, I mean, somebody had to shoot. 1:42:45.120 --> 1:42:48.840 I coached him too. It's crazy because now coaching, now 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:51.519 I'm coaching against guys I want to get into and 1:42:51.720 --> 1:42:55.280 I play against teammates. Coaching my teammates play against you know. 1:42:55.320 --> 1:42:58.400 I'm just I always wanted to coach after after I 1:42:58.439 --> 1:42:59.519 got done, I want. 1:42:59.320 --> 1:43:01.200 To show love to you because, like we talked about 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:03.920 it earlier. But what you did for d Rose people 1:43:04.000 --> 1:43:04.320 don't know. 1:43:04.800 --> 1:43:05.040 I know. 1:43:06.439 --> 1:43:09.400 I know because I was there and you brought when 1:43:09.400 --> 1:43:11.720 we like not to ship on de Ros because you 1:43:11.720 --> 1:43:13.840 know he loved him like that. That's my bro, that's 1:43:13.880 --> 1:43:17.519 my nigga. But when he came to Minnesota, his confidence 1:43:17.640 --> 1:43:18.000 was gone. 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:19.320 He was done. 1:43:19.479 --> 1:43:21.400 He was telling us he was done with basketball. Yeah, 1:43:21.760 --> 1:43:24.000 but he was like, I'm done. I'm gonna retire. Tis 1:43:24.000 --> 1:43:25.240 doing me a favorite kind of thing. 1:43:26.200 --> 1:43:28.840 And you like, I watched y'all work and put in 1:43:28.960 --> 1:43:31.479 so much work to where he got back and to 1:43:31.600 --> 1:43:33.200 the point where I was like, nigga, I need to 1:43:33.240 --> 1:43:35.000 come off the bench like this. 1:43:35.160 --> 1:43:37.000 Nigga need to be started. You know what I'm saying. 1:43:37.120 --> 1:43:40.320 But I watched you and him and his family, like 1:43:40.439 --> 1:43:44.040 his wife, y'all, are y'all all in the gym. I'm 1:43:44.080 --> 1:43:47.320 coming late night after drinking doing whatever I'm doing it. 1:43:47.439 --> 1:43:49.040 Y'all like, come in here. You like till you come 1:43:49.040 --> 1:43:52.559 in here, pool in here shooting. I'm like, yeah, all right, 1:43:53.280 --> 1:43:55.320 don't give fuck I come in there. I just see 1:43:55.360 --> 1:43:56.240 y'all putting in work. 1:43:56.479 --> 1:43:58.840 And my thing is I wanted him to write his 1:43:58.960 --> 1:44:00.720 own story and no, don't let nobody else write it 1:44:00.760 --> 1:44:03.599 for him. Fact and he had a lot left hit him. 1:44:03.960 --> 1:44:07.040 And when you go through what he's gone through, your 1:44:07.120 --> 1:44:09.640 mental game. And that's one thing Tennis go back to. 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:11.960 Tennis helped me with. But also it also goes back 1:44:12.000 --> 1:44:16.560 to recovery. My dad's recovered drug and alcoholic. So I 1:44:16.760 --> 1:44:19.120 used to he used to scare me because I used 1:44:19.120 --> 1:44:20.559 to scare me. I used to go to a meetings 1:44:20.680 --> 1:44:22.960 with him. He used to make me standing up like Hi, 1:44:23.040 --> 1:44:25.040 my name is John Luci third, and everybody like hi 1:44:25.200 --> 1:44:26.000 John Louser third. 1:44:26.200 --> 1:44:27.439 Be like I wasn't. 1:44:28.040 --> 1:44:32.120 Atdeicate anything, but he was just showing me the mind 1:44:32.200 --> 1:44:34.720 of mental and stuff like that. So I'm looking at Poor, 1:44:34.760 --> 1:44:37.720 I'm like, bro, you still code like you know who 1:44:37.760 --> 1:44:40.439 you are, Like I had like kind of reinsuring I'm like, 1:44:41.200 --> 1:44:44.360 you know, with somebody's confidence and stuff because you like now, 1:44:44.479 --> 1:44:48.000 I can only imagine playing in today's ere with social media. 1:44:48.439 --> 1:44:52.640 People always commented about hearing and everything like and you 1:44:52.720 --> 1:44:54.880 got to learn how to block out the noise. So 1:44:55.040 --> 1:44:57.320 I'm telling him, like, bro, you you got about five 1:44:57.360 --> 1:45:00.840 more you like, you can get another big deal like 1:45:01.000 --> 1:45:03.080 I know you made. I was whit Pool when he 1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:05.040 signed at eighty nine. Then the next day he signed 1:45:05.040 --> 1:45:07.680 three hundred and twenty nine with Adder, like I know 1:45:07.800 --> 1:45:10.559 you got the bread, stupid bread. It was like, fo bo, 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:12.320 you got so much more to get to this game. 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:15.080 Oh they say you can't shoot, fuck that. We're shooting 1:45:15.120 --> 1:45:18.960 fifteen hundred shots fact, and we're gonna be we're gonna 1:45:19.000 --> 1:45:21.120 My goal is for him to shoot over forty percent 1:45:21.160 --> 1:45:23.000 from the three, and he did in then, So but 1:45:23.080 --> 1:45:25.360 every night we put that work in. If you ever know, 1:45:25.400 --> 1:45:28.439 it's in minnesot he starting to elbow shot. So we 1:45:28.520 --> 1:45:32.640 shot so much right and I'm like, so when he 1:45:32.840 --> 1:45:35.400 when he hit that fifty ball, he was crying. He 1:45:35.439 --> 1:45:37.840 came and gave me a hug. That was like the 1:45:37.960 --> 1:45:41.960 ultimate thing because I'm like, forget what Steven ain't Smith 1:45:42.040 --> 1:45:43.960 and all what I'm saying. Then ran up and down 1:45:44.040 --> 1:45:45.760 this court like we ran up and down with I 1:45:45.760 --> 1:45:48.240 don't know. Yeah, that's a fact, you know what I'm saying. 1:45:48.240 --> 1:45:49.800 And it's like, no knock on them, but I'm like, 1:45:50.280 --> 1:45:53.040 they just talking. Yeah, but you gotta you got a 1:45:53.160 --> 1:45:57.439 chance to prove everybody wrong, which he did and he 1:45:57.720 --> 1:46:00.400 and he went on and played what six one years 1:46:00.439 --> 1:46:03.320 after that, and I'm trying to talk. I'm talking to 1:46:03.360 --> 1:46:11.080 him the same way he rated it, hanging up, but 1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:12.519 he was. 1:46:12.560 --> 1:46:15.400 Giving us the same, but I was he won't listen. 1:46:15.479 --> 1:46:17.559 It was different because. 1:46:17.360 --> 1:46:21.240 I'm like, like to me, you know, oh seven class, 1:46:21.320 --> 1:46:24.080 he rolls m v P. When he giving him this spill, 1:46:24.880 --> 1:46:28.400 I'm like the corner guy like he doing his thing and. 1:46:28.400 --> 1:46:29.960 I'm like, yeah, get that nigga. 1:46:29.680 --> 1:46:32.280 Ready right now. He Q, We're gonna be nice the 1:46:32.360 --> 1:46:36.680 hype man, but in a good way. But he was like, 1:46:37.120 --> 1:46:40.200 you know, I'm rock with him, like I got his back. 1:46:40.840 --> 1:46:42.280 Like he was like, I want to come off there. 1:46:42.360 --> 1:46:44.400 He raises him, looking at him like he crazy, I 1:46:44.479 --> 1:46:46.200 want to come off the bench. I'm looking at him 1:46:46.280 --> 1:46:49.519 like huh, I'm just not gonna give him my job now, 1:46:49.600 --> 1:46:51.960 like if I was playing, I'm like no. But like 1:46:52.280 --> 1:46:53.840 he wanted to come off the bench because he wanted 1:46:53.880 --> 1:46:55.920 to go against all the backup. I'm keeping a buck 1:46:56.000 --> 1:47:01.200 with you. He like he can food him, fool everybody else. 1:47:01.880 --> 1:47:04.240 He wanted to go against the backup. He ain't want to. 1:47:04.439 --> 1:47:06.280 He ain't want to guard night in and night out. 1:47:06.360 --> 1:47:11.880 Guard I did, but you're smarter. But it's smart though. 1:47:12.280 --> 1:47:15.599 It's smart because it's longevity, like you figure it out. 1:47:16.160 --> 1:47:19.000 So it was just like for me, I want it 1:47:19.080 --> 1:47:22.599 all everybody I rock with. I wanted the masses to see. 1:47:22.840 --> 1:47:25.479 That's and that was my bason. I just want everybody 1:47:25.520 --> 1:47:26.000 to And. 1:47:26.000 --> 1:47:28.560 That's why I gravitated because people that I know in 1:47:28.680 --> 1:47:31.800 my life everybody similar to that, like all of us, 1:47:31.880 --> 1:47:34.800 we want everybody to win in here. And that's when 1:47:34.840 --> 1:47:37.880 I gravitated to you, like you don't naturally gravitate people 1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:40.000 to gravitate the people that you don't rock with, right, 1:47:40.400 --> 1:47:42.680 you had coaches on that staff where you know me, 1:47:42.840 --> 1:47:46.479 I wouldn't even you behind the bitch, I'm like, look, man, 1:47:46.520 --> 1:47:46.800 what the. 1:47:46.800 --> 1:47:51.559 Fun were running here? Get me in trouble. That's how 1:47:51.600 --> 1:47:54.519 I get fired. No talking, that's how I get fired. 1:47:54.720 --> 1:47:55.200 I'm for real. 1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:58.160 I will really come to the bench because what do 1:47:58.240 --> 1:48:00.200 you see? And I'll be like, look, what the up? 1:48:00.200 --> 1:48:00.680 We need to run? 1:48:00.720 --> 1:48:03.559 And I get fired because now like they're not looking 1:48:03.640 --> 1:48:07.560 at the main guys, shoot the fucking ball. He'd be 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:12.040 wide open. I'll be like Jim said, like fuck him, 1:48:13.600 --> 1:48:17.400 he'd be wide open. And he was like the defer. 1:48:17.600 --> 1:48:20.400 I'm like, it's ain't this. Ain't that same kid? I 1:48:20.479 --> 1:48:23.880 know they get out the challenger. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1:48:25.240 --> 1:48:28.439 I'm still I'm still thinking like he him like with 1:48:28.560 --> 1:48:31.519 that mentality, and that's that's like once you give me 1:48:31.560 --> 1:48:33.160 your first impression, that's who I think you are. 1:48:33.520 --> 1:48:34.519 But I appreciate that. 1:48:34.920 --> 1:48:36.880 Yeah, man, we appreciate you. 1:48:37.040 --> 1:48:39.760 Look, let's show bro obviously. Man, we saw you at 1:48:39.760 --> 1:48:40.479 the Top hundred camp. 1:48:40.520 --> 1:48:42.720 We was just like it makes purposes like having your 1:48:42.760 --> 1:48:45.280 knowledge to help these young youths, especially like you said 1:48:45.320 --> 1:48:46.599 with the mentals and the social. 1:48:46.439 --> 1:48:49.200 Media playing basketball at the full part sos have somebody 1:48:49.240 --> 1:48:49.920 you charge like that. 1:48:50.000 --> 1:48:52.479 Were really happy to see. Before we get out of here, man, 1:48:52.520 --> 1:48:54.479 we had a great story in this podcast. We got 1:48:54.560 --> 1:48:56.479 to reconfirmed, you know. Before we get out of here, man, 1:48:56.960 --> 1:48:59.280 we gotta talk about the Minnesota man, y'all put up 1:48:59.320 --> 1:49:01.759 the club shouts some all these they said good in Minnesota, 1:49:01.840 --> 1:49:03.040 that Google club five twenty. 1:49:03.400 --> 1:49:05.120 But we gotta get that. We're good. 1:49:05.200 --> 1:49:08.560 Look, we're always good. We're real good talking about we 1:49:08.640 --> 1:49:14.920 always the funk with me, we always, we always do it. 1:49:16.600 --> 1:49:20.519 You always good. Shout for stepping in them, Kirk Franklins, 1:49:21.800 --> 1:49:28.360 it's tea. I don't even go out. You know, I'm married, you. 1:49:28.360 --> 1:49:30.400 Know, yeah, you know what I'm saying. 1:49:30.400 --> 1:49:32.320 I don't go out just under the bus. 1:49:32.520 --> 1:49:33.880 But you know he wasn't you know, he had a 1:49:33.960 --> 1:49:36.560 bad game that day. Yeah, he had bad games. So 1:49:36.680 --> 1:49:38.400 we went out to eat. I always go out to 1:49:38.400 --> 1:49:40.200 eat with the players. I don't go out with the players, 1:49:40.240 --> 1:49:41.720 but we go eat. I ain't gonna pass up a 1:49:41.800 --> 1:49:43.519 meal exactly. You know what I'm saying. I'm on the 1:49:43.560 --> 1:49:44.440 coaching budget. 1:49:44.439 --> 1:49:45.200 Absolutely, So. 1:49:47.760 --> 1:49:49.160 So we got to eat. I'm trying to talk and 1:49:49.439 --> 1:49:51.360 he ready to jump off the ledge. Not literally, but 1:49:51.479 --> 1:49:53.600 he like mad because of the game he had. So 1:49:53.720 --> 1:49:55.719 he was like, you know, I just need it. Almost 1:49:55.760 --> 1:49:59.439 remind me of like that scene and paid him for Hey, 1:49:59.479 --> 1:50:02.040 I just need be around love. It was like one 1:50:02.040 --> 1:50:05.240 of them moments. So I was like, he was like, well, 1:50:05.280 --> 1:50:07.040 we're gonna go out to and so I was like, 1:50:07.360 --> 1:50:09.880 all right, cool, I'll come out for a little bit. 1:50:10.000 --> 1:50:13.439 So it's me Jared Baylists, who wore a suit all 1:50:13.479 --> 1:50:16.760 the time, snow dress. He wore a suit all the time, 1:50:16.880 --> 1:50:21.200 clean though, right right, And I ain't your normal coach. Like, 1:50:21.280 --> 1:50:23.960 once I get out my coaching and I'm back, I'm 1:50:24.000 --> 1:50:27.880 dressed now, Nike, I'm gonna be fly. So he he 1:50:28.040 --> 1:50:29.600 goes out. So we go out and so you know, 1:50:29.640 --> 1:50:32.160 all sudden we're just in there chilling in the corner. 1:50:32.280 --> 1:50:34.599 All of a sudden, like thirty people come walking towards 1:50:34.680 --> 1:50:38.280 me and they speaking to me in their language. I'm 1:50:38.280 --> 1:50:41.760 looking at them like what. I guess they ain't like 1:50:41.840 --> 1:50:46.080 my reaction, so they started getting a little bit hostile 1:50:46.160 --> 1:50:47.719 with It's just me hum and Jerry. 1:50:47.840 --> 1:50:48.000 Right. 1:50:48.880 --> 1:50:52.519 So see how the bottle right there. I don't even 1:50:52.560 --> 1:50:54.640 know who bottle it was that I grabbed, but I 1:50:54.760 --> 1:50:57.000 was just I had a bubble cut on too, So 1:50:57.160 --> 1:50:58.920 I was like they doing all this time. I just 1:51:00.400 --> 1:51:02.360 after joint. I'm like, we're gonna get out of there. 1:51:02.360 --> 1:51:04.560 I gotta get home to my baby, you know. So 1:51:05.240 --> 1:51:07.920 he doing all I'm woofing back at him like I'm like, bro, 1:51:08.000 --> 1:51:10.960 I ain't smiling like I'm from Houston, Texas. I ain't 1:51:11.000 --> 1:51:14.280 from here. And they're like, no, you do, and I'm 1:51:14.360 --> 1:51:19.280 like no, So what saved us was a whole nother 1:51:19.479 --> 1:51:24.759 argument happened. A whole nother fight started, and they turned 1:51:24.800 --> 1:51:27.680 around and turn and all of a sudden, before me 1:51:27.760 --> 1:51:30.920 and Jeff could turn to walk out the door, we walking, yeah, 1:51:31.320 --> 1:51:32.960 because I'm like part of my back. I'm like, you know, 1:51:33.000 --> 1:51:35.720 I ain't really scared of like like whatever going. We 1:51:35.880 --> 1:51:42.120 see Jared, Jared two blocks away from us, and me 1:51:42.200 --> 1:51:45.400 and Jeff is like yo, and all you see is 1:51:45.400 --> 1:51:47.519 them stations at him like he's sliding because it was 1:51:47.560 --> 1:51:49.960 black ice out there that day, so he running, he 1:51:51.120 --> 1:51:53.760 like sliding, and I was like, yo, that's curt. I said, 1:51:53.760 --> 1:51:55.439 that's the last time I go. Like if I go out, 1:51:55.479 --> 1:52:00.800 he can't come with me because I see I see 1:52:00.840 --> 1:52:02.280 him all the time and Phoenix when I was coaching 1:52:02.280 --> 1:52:04.720 with me, he was a man. But that was a 1:52:04.800 --> 1:52:06.880 crazy night. But I wasn't supposed to be out. I 1:52:07.000 --> 1:52:09.000 was like, it was his fault. 1:52:09.520 --> 1:52:13.760 I take the blad, but it is true. 1:52:14.120 --> 1:52:19.919 But they didn't think they know it's true that Minnesota 1:52:19.960 --> 1:52:20.960 ship took a toll. 1:52:21.120 --> 1:52:23.479 Broy be hearing you good. 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:32.360 The other niggas they got to check in. But he 1:52:32.800 --> 1:52:36.439 he messed me all the time because we used to 1:52:36.439 --> 1:52:39.200 always play one on one and he was coming back 1:52:39.200 --> 1:52:42.280 from injury one day and I was getting the best 1:52:42.320 --> 1:52:46.680 of them only for five possessions. Yeah, because I ran 1:52:46.720 --> 1:52:50.560 out of gas. I'm out of shape, like mentally, I 1:52:50.720 --> 1:52:54.519 was like done hoopy And they had posted on Twitter 1:52:54.600 --> 1:52:56.479 at the time. They was like and we and I 1:52:56.560 --> 1:53:00.280 think you was hurt. Who was hurt? Ties of hurt? 1:53:00.520 --> 1:53:02.560 So we had to bring a point guard in. So 1:53:02.840 --> 1:53:04.400 I'm trying to get here ready, I'm not even thinking. 1:53:04.400 --> 1:53:05.680 It was like, yo, we should bring Luke in for 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:08.120 ten day, like that's what the family because it's like, look, 1:53:08.120 --> 1:53:10.920 what are you doing to Jeff t he gonna tweet 1:53:11.000 --> 1:53:15.320 back and post another video keep watching like he couldn't 1:53:15.400 --> 1:53:19.920 let me just have my little fly because after that 1:53:20.439 --> 1:53:24.880 boy was cook session. Boy I was. I was. It 1:53:25.040 --> 1:53:30.400 was after that I retweeted the post. Somebody posted like, Okay, yeah, 1:53:30.400 --> 1:53:32.639 I'm telling my daughter like this how your daddy used 1:53:32.640 --> 1:53:35.160 to And then boy he posted he was like, no, 1:53:35.360 --> 1:53:37.479 y'all gotta keep watching the video. He somehow called our 1:53:37.560 --> 1:53:40.400 video courtnet the video who was it? Brian Randolph at 1:53:40.439 --> 1:53:42.800 the time, he get the highlights of him cooking me 1:53:43.120 --> 1:53:44.920 fifteen straight possessions. 1:53:45.160 --> 1:53:45.760 He wanted to do. 1:53:45.960 --> 1:53:48.000 He wanted the left, he wanted to right. I didn't 1:53:48.000 --> 1:53:49.800 even touch the ball in the middle of court because 1:53:49.840 --> 1:53:51.120 he went five five in the. 1:53:51.160 --> 1:53:54.439 Row and on the sund because of Minnesota. Had me 1:53:54.520 --> 1:53:54.960 fucked up. 1:53:55.320 --> 1:53:58.519 But that's my dog though, I mean, that's that's my 1:53:58.680 --> 1:53:59.360 man right there. 1:54:00.240 --> 1:54:00.960 You on the show. Bro. 1:54:01.560 --> 1:54:04.040 I appreciate y'all having appreciate it. 1:54:04.160 --> 1:54:05.559 Man, This is all home coming. 1:54:05.640 --> 1:54:05.800 Man. 1:54:05.840 --> 1:54:08.640 Man is like family, We're gonna do another episode man, 1:54:08.720 --> 1:54:10.639 probably Andy. You know, I know you got some big 1:54:10.640 --> 1:54:12.400 stuff coming up. We're gonna let you announce that when 1:54:12.439 --> 1:54:15.439 you're ready to announce it. Well, man, we excited your 1:54:15.520 --> 1:54:16.120 whole journey. 1:54:16.280 --> 1:54:18.280 We need to announced that before the All Star. 1:54:20.160 --> 1:54:20.920 We'll talk about that. 1:54:25.560 --> 1:54:31.559 Man, y'all. Man, I just want to tell y'all. Man, 1:54:31.600 --> 1:54:32.960 y'all really hold down to coach it though. 1:54:33.080 --> 1:54:33.720 I appreciate it. 1:54:34.520 --> 1:54:36.600 Bro y'all doing y'all theme and I watch all your 1:54:36.680 --> 1:54:38.960 episodes for sure, happy I can get part of it. 1:54:39.000 --> 1:54:40.760 Appreciate y'all. Listen, man, We're gonna do this again the 1:54:40.800 --> 1:54:41.120 other time. 1:54:41.200 --> 1:54:43.840 We appreciate y'all, Life Share, Subscribe, all that good stuff 1:54:43.840 --> 1:54:44.760 will be back next time. 1:54:44.840 --> 1:54:45.720 PLUB five twenty