#313 - Best Christmas Guns: Should You Go Big or Small?

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Everything you learned on that video game,
even though they have a basis

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in reality, is completely fake and false.

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And and it's virtual. It's not real.

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So I'm glad you've been on 10,000 missions
on Call of Duty,

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and you know you are a top tier, one suave

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master of taking down tangos.

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That's a game.

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The real world is different.

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Hi there, and welcome to the Guns

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Podcast, U.S.,
brought to you by guns magazine.

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I'm your host, Brant Wheat.

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I'd like to thank you for joining one
of the world's biggest gun talk programs.

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As we chat, chat
about the interesting stuff

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and all the fun and cool things
in the world of shooting.

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And of course, I'm joined by our official,
unofficial,

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unofficial official co-host,
Roy Huntington.

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Hey there. Roy. Hey, how you doing?

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I'm still amazed
how much people like this show. But,

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well, there's a vote of confidence.

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I mean. It's we're just two guys,
you know?

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Yeah.
And we just talk about things that I.

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We want to talk about,

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and it's just seems that other people
seem to be interested too.

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So thank you very much
and keep doing that.

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Exactly.

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As they often say, best audience
in the business and ours truly is,

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because I don't think our audience puts up
with all the

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ten things that'll get
you killed in a gunfight.

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You know, even though that's what
that's what YouTube says

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you need to put in your thumbnail.

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So, we're not
we're not gonna play that game.

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No, they like they want authenticity,
you know?

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Yeah.

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I mean, someday we should do a promo
like this and intro, but have us both buy.

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Oh, that would be funny.

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Like, obviously I generated. Yeah. Yeah.

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So that our fingers don't.

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Oh nine and we've.

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Got eight on one hand
and three and one. Is a little crossed.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And just, Well,
what we're going to talk about

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today was a Roy suggestion,
and we're calling it Big Gun, little gun.

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What's a good first choice?

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And that's a very appropriate topic
this time of year, because people

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are asking, should I, you know, my
my husband wants to buy a handgun.

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And we get this question
pretty frequently.

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What should I get him?

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And, we're going to talk about our advice,
that we give quite a bit.

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So, Roy, it was your topic, and,

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so I'll, I'll open the floor to you.

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Big gun.

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Now, if if, guy's not been
much of a shooter,

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he probably wants a 500 lined bar
or, a Glock fully auto.

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Right.
That's probably a good first choice.

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First
of all, word to the wise for that wife.

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Unless you specifically know what gun
your husband wants.

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Don't buy him. What?

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Good point. Out of the gate. Yeah.

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Because if it's not exactly what he wants
now, he's in a spot where he has to be

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appreciative of this gun that you got him,
which isn't something that he wanted.

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Some leeway.

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Let me interrupt you right there, Roy.

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I'll say that
this goes the other way, too.

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I bought my wife
a gun purse years ago for Christmas.

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Spent quite a bit of money.

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And you know what? That women, unlike men.

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I will tell you, this is awful.

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I hate this.

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So, yeah, guys
don't buy women gun purses and stuff.

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Unless she specifically tells you
this is the one that I want.

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So, yeah.

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I wanted to share that.

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It's like the pink gun, you know?

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Well, you know, my wife Susie, with.

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What do you think would happen
if I came home with a pink gun for her?

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It'd go through the window.

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But, were after
I got pulled out of my nether regions.

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You know, it's,

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But anyway,

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what prompted
this was because a good friend of mine

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who has never owned a gun,

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reached out to me
about three weeks ago or so,

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and he said, oh,
I've known him for maybe 40 years.

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And he said, you know,

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I shot a 22 pistol
one time when I was about ten years old,

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and that's the extent of it.

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Never been interested or anything.

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Yeah. He said, but you know what?

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The way things are going nowadays,
I would be a little more comfortable

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if I had something for my home, you know,
and just learned a little bit about that.

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And I said, well, I think that's
a wise decision, you know, and,

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and he said, besides,
it looks a little interesting.

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You know, he said, I'm at an age now
and I'm getting toward retirement.

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And it's a skill, you know, and it
it has to do with.

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And he's in an industry that has to do
well there knife making there in a knife

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making industry, you know.

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So we kind of like understands engineering
and all that kind of stuff. So

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so he said the classic thing.

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He sent me an email and he said, so far
I've been looking at Glocks,

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sigs,

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it's like a satire.

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Somebody told him
he needed to buy a satire, you know, and

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and things like that.

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And which AR 15 should I buy?

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You know, and so,
you know where I'm going with this.

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Yeah.

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So I said, I said,
well, no, actually, you know,

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because with those kind of guns,
you don't know anything about them

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and they're complicated. And,
you know, you need to trade

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and everything
that we've said a thousand times.

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And so I steered him in the direction
of a forage K

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frame Smith and Wesson revolver.

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And so he said there was a range nearby.

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He went to the range
and he was able to rent one.

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And then,
you know, for 20 bucks or something,

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the guy behind the counter will come out
on their indoor range and sort of walk

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you through it, you know,
so you don't shoot yourself at the foot.

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Well, he he came back
and he just was enthralled.

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He said, that is so cool.

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He said, it's not complicated
and it's easy to open it up

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and it's easy to load and unload.

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And I just think that's a great idea.

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And I said, good
because it is a great idea.

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You know, learning has occurred
already. Yeah.

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And so so now we've transitioned now
to, cleaning gear.

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What do I buy? What do I need?

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You know, I introduced him
to the concept of a range bag.

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You know, he bought his first
set of electronic earmuffs.

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You know, he's even now asking me.

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Well, what I eventually want
personal defense ammunition.

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What should I be looking for? Right?

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Yeah, but he's open minded, and
he's for the way I've been teaching him.

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He knows.

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Don't come to me and say,
I want to buy this.

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Come to me and say,
what should I be looking for?

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Right? And,

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but what I didn't do with him

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was tell him to buy a little tiny gun,
you know, like a chief special.

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And I know a lot of people would.

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They would say, oh, well, you know,
you're not really going to shoot.

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Like, you should get some small frame gun
and, and and that'll be just fine, right.

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Well, and then so when they do that
now they go to the range

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and it kicks hard, has muzzle blast
and they can hit the target okay.

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You know.

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And so now they lose interest.

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And that's the end of that story.

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Yeah.

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You know well I was I was going
to bring up the point that you and I just

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experienced two weeks ago, I'd,
we'd come out to your house for a visit.

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And again, thank you for having us
and your your your wonderland of guns.

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But I was, reviewing.

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And I'm not going to say what it was.

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It's a small, very lightweight 380.

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And I thought this might be a
good possibility for my wife.

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Just because
she's a little more recoil sensitive,

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she's not a very, active,
shooting enthusiast.

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So I thought, let's try this.

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Well, this thing is ported,
and it weighs nothing.

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Both of us think that first shot, like.

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Whoa, how bout that?

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That sucker was so loud.

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And, I mean, it wasn't untenable.

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Recoil.

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Again, I've shot a lot, so, you know, I.

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I can handle it.

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But it was apparent to me that, like,
if I was a novice shooter, it'd be like,

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oh, that doesn't feel good.
I don't like that.

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And so what you would do
is a person at the gun stores.

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We've said it many, many times.

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I would say all that, you know,
get the little lady this gun here, it's

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just a 380 and she fires it
twice and goes, I don't like that.

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And it goes in the sock drawer, and
you never see it again until it's sold.

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And and guys are the same way.

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Guys won't admit that. That hurt my hand.

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And I didn't enjoy that
in the muzzle blast.

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Singed my hair.

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So, you know, if if guys like us
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a bit of experience, we've had
professional training of all kinds.

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You know,
I don't want to stack up our our,

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resume, but hopefully, if you're watching
us, you know, we know what we're doing.

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And for both of us to go,
wow, that that was less than optimal.

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I'm sending the gun back on review
just because I would

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I would recommend it to Roy if for some
reason he wanted to carry a small 380.

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But it's it's not that small.

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It's, certainly
not any lighter than some other things.

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I thought it was going to be
a good answer to something.

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And it turns out it's an answer to a very,
very narrow and specific thing.

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And, it kind of surprised me.

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I think it surprised you, too.

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It's like if somebody gave you 5000 rounds
of 380 ammunition,

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it's like, well,
I need a gun to shoot it, you know?

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But yeah, even then,
I know exactly what you mean.

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When you first fired, I would stand next,
you know?

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Look, I went.

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What the hell was that?

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You know, he said that 380.

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It blistered
the paint on the bottom of the deck.

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You know.

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Yeah.

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And, I mean, it's like the the dog
was inside and she was staring, you know.

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Exactly. And it was like.

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And then we looked
lock eyes with each other.

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You shot it again.

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And then I think we said like, well,
that wasn't any more fun the second time,

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you know.

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Of course, that's

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why it's a little segue, but the ports
but if they had not been ported,

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it probably would have been a lot better,
you know.

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Yeah.

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But but but and again
though, you know, we talked about 32,000

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people lost their mind.

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They were saying, oh, you you hate the 327
you hate.

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357 no, but that's a classic case of,
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a mild loaded 32 or a 22 revolver
would really be the answer.

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So yeah, but that segways into what
we're talking about.

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And so you don't want a tiny gun
because tiny guns are hard to manipulate.

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They're difficult to cite correctly

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the general manual of arms
getting it out of a holster,

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getting it on target,
getting a secure grip.

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All that is more complicated
because it's a little.

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Right.

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And it's they're a bit ballistically
challenged, but you can overcome that.

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And so I equate it
to, let's say you've never built,

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plastic bottle before in your life, ever.

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All you've seen, some
you have no idea how to do it.

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You have no idea what glue to buy.

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Or do you paint it or what do you do?

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Or you don't get the most complicated

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micro miniature

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functioning steam locomotive?

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Yeah.

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You know what I mean? Exactly.

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Because you don't have the tools,

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you don't have the knowledge,
you don't have anything.

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Right?

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And you're going to get frustrated
and you're going to mess it up

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and then you're going to think
models are stupid.

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I'm never going to buy another one.

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Right. Exactly.

240
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But if you got this like basic car model,
that's kind of big,

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you know, that's got maybe 30 parts,
you know, and a tube glue

242
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and started putting it together.

243
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Well, you would learn a lot. Yeah.

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And you know, and you would
probably even get it together, you know.

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So it kind of looked like a ship
or an airplane or.

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Wherever it was sort of kind. Of.

247
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Yeah.
And so that would then you would think.

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But you know, actually that was kind
of fun, you know, and I learned a lot.

249
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I learned what paints to use.
I learned what glue to buy.

250
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I, you know, so
then maybe your next model is going to be

251
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a little bit more complicated,
you know, and a little bit more grain.

252
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Guns are exactly the same way.

253
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And so, you know, you
you want to start as simple as possible.

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You know, even though the video games say
you need this and even though

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the commando behind the kind of the
gun store says you did this,

256
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you really, really, really don't,
there's nothing wrong with them.

257
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And later on
you'll probably end up buying them. Right?

258
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But boy,
to get yourself off, in the right foot.

259
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I mean, if, if you're going to start
working on your car

260
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and you've never,
ever worked on a car before,

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you don't flag down the snap on truck

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and buy the $40,000 toolbox,
complete with tools, you know,

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because you're not even going to know
how to use 99.99% of them. Yep.

264
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And it's the same thing with the guns.

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You know,

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you'll get some semi complicated semi-auto
with maybe it has an external safety.

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Maybe it has adjustable safety.

268
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But so now you have to work your way
through all that.

269
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Yeah. You know
and and I've heard it 100 times.

270
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And some of you people say
or this is the great

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when you, you say, have you ever shot in
9011 before people say oh yeah.

272
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Yeah. I shoot them all the time.

273
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I know all about those. Okay.

274
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So you hand them a 1911 and say well here
I just got this one,

275
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I thought you might like to shoot it.

276
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And they look down
then you see that. Look.

277
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What. Yeah.

278
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What's the lever.
What are these drivers for her.

279
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And they kind of fumble a little bit
and then they, they like cocked the hammer

280
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back. Right.

281
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And they go,
oh well that worked right. You know.

282
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And then they
oh there's a magazine in it too.

283
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Yeah.

284
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You know, and then the
how do I, how do I load the magazine.

285
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You know what I mean.

286
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So you don't need
that if your burst and the,

287
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and the way you, you, you avoid
that is by getting a gun.

288
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That's a bigger gun. Right?
This is old Colt.

289
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You know that I have.

290
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But the beauty of a gun like that
is that you can hang on to it.

291
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It's has bigger sights.

292
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It's easy to easier to manipulate,

293
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and you can cut your teeth on it,

294
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you know, and the interesting thing
about owning a gun like that to me

295
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was that I promise
you, you will never sell it.

296
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You know, if you
if you buy yourself a four inch K frame.

297
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38 Smith and Wesson revolver or

298
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Taurus or Ruger, I don't care what it is.

299
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You'll cut your teeth with it.

300
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It'll be your first best gun.

301
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And I doubt very much you'll ever sell it.

302
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You really won't.

303
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And it'll probably be one of the guns
that you most enjoy shooting.

304
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And you'll drag it out ever.

305
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Once round, put a few rounds to remember
all the fun memories you had from it.

306
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Yeah, but by then, after having you got
gotten the experience and you've learned

307
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how to clean a gun, you've learned
how to carry it to the range and back.

308
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You've learned range,
protocol and etiquette.

309
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You know, maybe you got a simple
Lee loader and have just begun

310
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to load some 38 special, you know,
so you're expanding that world.

311
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Okay, now you can start looking at

312
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little complicated guns, you know?

313
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Right.

314
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But, you.

315
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Know, I thought of a perfect analogy
while you were talking

316
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that had happened to me this weekend.

317
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I, I undertook the chore
of cleaning out my gun locker

318
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and what I call my gun closet because it
it was an embarrassment.

319
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How much stuff was there?

320
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So I did a periodic inventory of guns,

321
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and I've got too many handguns, but,
one that I pulled out that I carry,

322
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pretty regularly was my North
American arms, mini revolver.

323
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And I thought, there's a gun.

324
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That's a perfect example of
if somebody said, well,

325
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just get you a little gun,
they don't come any smaller than that.

326
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And I love it for that. But you know what?

327
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When I was fumbling around
and trying to get it in the, slot,

328
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you know, between chambers
and all that stuff, I thought

329
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this would scare me to death if I was a
novice trying to learn how to shoot.

330
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So that's a perfect example of the whole
thing of, yeah, you can get them as small.

331
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I mean, they're literally smaller
than the palm of your hand, but

332
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that's not a gun I would recommend to Sam
or Suzy Homemaker to.

333
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Well, yeah, just get you one of those.

334
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It's little bitty. It's fine to shoot.

335
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They're difficult to shoot.

336
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They've got a fumbling manual of arms.

337
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There's a lot of things I would say
is negative, but I don't mean that

338
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because I love them.

339
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I've got several,
and like I said, I carry them.

340
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But that's one of those
that that's more of a, intermediate

341
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or expert type of gun
rather than, straight out of the gate.

342
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So again, I think that's kind of that
analogy we're trying to say here,

343
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smaller is not always better, especially
when you're talking to a novice.

344
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Once somebody has been shooting a lot
and they know how to manipulate revolvers

345
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and they understand all of it,
not a problem.

346
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It's a cool gun
and you can put it darn near anywhere.

347
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I think I told the story before.

348
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I used to know an old cop
who carried it in a pack of cigarets.

349
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He didn't smoke, but he always figured
if he was taken hostage,

350
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you could say,
hey, could I have one last cigaret?

351
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Well, sure. Pops.

352
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Here, let me get my cigaret.

353
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And, you know, it's it's far
better than than a,

354
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big rock, especially close up.

355
00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,400
You know, you put a 22 Magnum
in somebodys, face and pull the trigger.

356
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It will get their attention. So.

357
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But that's not
that's not the gun out of the gate.

358
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And they're cute as the Dickens,
and they're easy to carry, but

359
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they're a little specialized
in their knowledge.

360
00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,320
Well, if you're getting your first car,

361
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you don't buy a Ferrari.

362
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Some do, and we always see it in the news.

363
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What happens next?

364
00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,520
It's another one of those things,
like English car peoples.

365
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:45,720
I've seen this before.

366
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You have to, maybe have a father
who is kind of a car guy.

367
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Right.

368
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And so his daughter now is 16,
and she's going to get her first car,

369
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so he gets her some little British sports
car, right?

370
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,920
Yeah. Or just as bad.

371
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Some BMW something, you know, and,

372
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and then all the trouble starts, right?

373
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And I know people say, hey, I have
a Volkswagen rabbit, and it's run forever.

374
00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:14,640
That's great.

375
00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:15,960
Sometimes that happens, you know.

376
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,480
Yeah, but
but it where he should have gotten her,

377
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you know, a basic Ford
something you know, or a key or something.

378
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And the guns are the same way.

379
00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,640
Because if you, if you come
out of the gate with zero experience,

380
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like my friend who has zero experience,
if I said, well, you need to get the,

381
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you know, a CC 75,

382
00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:45,000
full size nine millimeter
with ten magazines, a red dot site,

383
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you know, I mean, he he just
he would have been overwhelmed by it all.

384
00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:49,600
Yeah.

385
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,760
And, and, those things all end up
gathering dust in a drawer somewhere.

386
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,800
Or you see him for sale.

387
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Used cheap in gun stores, you know? Yeah.

388
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,600
Usually a company with a box of ammunition
missing, like, eight rounds.

389
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,920
Oh, you know.

390
00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,160
But, yeah, the the bigger the caliber,

391
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,640
the more you more you find that it's,
only three rounds shot through it.

392
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,640
You didn't even make it through
an entire cylinder magazine.

393
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:15,360
It's true.

394
00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:16,800
Well, yeah.

395
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,320
And but you bring up a good point,
which is just because I'm saying

396
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that you need to get a bigger gun
doesn't mean that your first gun

397
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,880
is a 6.5in model 2944 Magnum.

398
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,040
No, but. Dirty Harry did. Yeah.

399
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,760
Now, there's
there's nothing wrong with that.

400
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,000
And if your hand's big enough
that you can control it, then that's fine.

401
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,560
But you need to be shooting modest
hand loads or 40 for special and stuff

402
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,640
like that while you get your feet
underneath you, you know,

403
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,920
I mean, because they're actually, they're,
they're easy to shoot.

404
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,520
You're a full size end frame.

405
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,160
Smith and Wesson is probably one
of the easiest revolvers around to shoot.

406
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,440
It's easy to hold on to.

407
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,560
It's kind of heavy.

408
00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,560
So it lowers
whatever recoil you're shooting for.

409
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,000
They used to make something
called a heavy duty,

410
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,000
which looked like a Smith and Wesson
Model ten.

411
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,920
So fixate, you know, just a basic gun.

412
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,120
They used to make that only biggie sized.

413
00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:13,120
It was on an N frame
and it was 38 special.

414
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,800
And so, gosh, I've had a few of them
and they are so much fun to shoot

415
00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:22,960
because there's like no recoil
and they're easy to see the sights

416
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,960
and they're,
they're just they're wonderful.

417
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,720
And so there's nothing wrong
with an N frame, but you just have to have

418
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,800
your sense about it.

419
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,240
You know, you don't you don't buy
your first deer hunting rifle

420
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,320
and have it be a three, seven,
five Holland Hall at Magnum, you know?

421
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,480
Yeah.

422
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,200
Well, and I think some of this, you know,
we've been talking about, the husbands

423
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,200
asking for a gun and the wife's,
you know, trying to work and work it out.

424
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,080
I've been asked occasionally if, parents.

425
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,680
Well, my son wants to get into shooting.

426
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,000
I'm like, good on them.

427
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,920
You know, he he's wanting this,

428
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,440
I don't know, Desert Eagle or,
you know, something really crazy.

429
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,400
I'm speaking to the, video game
generation here.

430
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,760
If you're really starting

431
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,680
to move into actual firearms,
everything you learned on that video game,

432
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,280
even though they have a basis
in reality, is completely fake and false.

433
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,160
And and it's virtual.

434
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,160
It's not real. So,

435
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,880
I'm glad you've been on 10,000 missions
on Call of Duty,

436
00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:25,200
and, you know,
you are a top tier one, the ultra.

437
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,240
You know, suave master of of taking down
tangos.

438
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,240
That's a game.
The real world is different.

439
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,880
So I don't know that anybody's
going to listen to me.

440
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,160
But the point being is
you got to start back at square one

441
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,000
because you didn't
become ultra def dealer 5000.

442
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,240
The first day you played that video game,
you didn't.

443
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,840
You certainly aren't going to do it
if you go to the range with this

444
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,240
really exotic
or really powerful gun that you've wanted,

445
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,760
because you've shot
at 100,000 rounds on video.

446
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,520
It's, it's it's real world.

447
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,960
And there are things like physics
and recoil and etc. etc.

448
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,560
and I just, I have to get that out
because I, I occasionally run across,

449
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,400
friends of friends or nephews
or kind of thing.

450
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,960
Yeah, man, I want one of these.

451
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,760
And it's like you ever shot one? Well,
yeah, it's not a lot.

452
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,480
Video game.

453
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,480
It's like you have no idea. So slow.

454
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,360
I think my favorite line.

455
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,160
Slow down, Speed racer.

456
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,440
You know, you got to walk before you run.

457
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,040
I have a nephew who's now 20, chasing 20,
I think.

458
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,840
And, he used to come out and spend
a couple weeks with us regularly

459
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,160
as he was growing up.

460
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,480
And, when he was about 15,

461
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,280
you know, he asked me about guns, certain,

462
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:47,000
you know, we'd shot 22 some stuff
he said, but he said, do you have a P38?

463
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,160
And I said, yeah.

464
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,400
And he said, do you have an M1 carbine?

465
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,680
And I said, yeah.

466
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,960
And so he went on, like,
do you have a mauser 98?

467
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,720
I said, yeah.
And then I said, whoa, time out.

468
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,560
How do you know all this?

469
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,080
Yeah, because he doesn't read
gun magazines or anything.

470
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,320
Yeah, right. And it was Call of Duty.

471
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,400
Yeah. He said, oh well you know.

472
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,960
Yeah I'm and and Mosin Nagant.

473
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,400
I mean he knew artillery Luger.

474
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,800
You have one of those right.

475
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,240
And so I said, I said well I know
you haven't tried anything like that.

476
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,960
Right. And he said, well, you know,
I've shot on the video game all the time.

477
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,360
My favorite gunners.

478
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,840
M1 Garand. I said, okay, cool.

479
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,360
So I went and got my Garand.

480
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,640
36 went right.

481
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,600
And I took it outside
and I showed him how it worked.

482
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,000
I showed him how to load the clip,
which is, you know, and I showed him

483
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,840
how to insert the clip in the gun,
which we you and I both know.

484
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,280
It's pretty complicated.

485
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,800
It's not like on the video games,
it was like you're reloaded, right?

486
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,280
Yeah.

487
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,280
Or you push a button and it reloads it
automatically, you know?

488
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,680
And, Anyway,
so I got him down at the bench

489
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,840
because it's a big, heavy gun.

490
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,120
He's kind of a smallish guy.

491
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,760
And so he sighted on it
my 80 yard steel gang

492
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,920
that you and I have shot
at a million times.

493
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,800
And I said, okay, take a breath,
set your sights on squeeze the trigger.

494
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,960
And so he let off for one of those 36
rounds,

495
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,600
you know, with a Garand,
there's a lot that goes on there.

496
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,960
Recoil, the purely, you know,
the cartridge case, it go comes out.

497
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:22,280
And I will always remember he his eyes
got really wide and he looked up at me.

498
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:22,920
Yeah.

499
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,400
And I said, I said, yeah, it's
kind of not like a video game,

500
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,160
And so after he shot a couple of clips
through it and he heard the chain.

501
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,840
Yeah. And he said, you know what?
What was that?

502
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,120
And I explained it.

503
00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:38,720
So he said, well, can I shoot it
fast one time?

504
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,880
And I said, sure,

505
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,960
you know.

506
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,480
So he got back down on the target
and he tried, he like,

507
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,360
you know, bang, bang, bang, bang.
And they were the first shot.

508
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:50,880
And then the next 2 or 3 were like,

509
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,560
who knows where
they were on the side of the hill.

510
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,240
Right.

511
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,240
And he said, well,
that's pretty much nothing like

512
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,280
the video game at all, you know?

513
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,200
And so we shot a, P38, we shot a Luger,

514
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,160
we shot an M1 carbine, we shot an M1, a

515
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,200
and he basically he came away

516
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,080
thinking
completely different about his video game.

517
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,760
It was really interesting
was he said, yeah, this was not at all

518
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,280
what I thought was gonna, you know, well.

519
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,560
How about that?

520
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,960
I know I think the other thing is that
if somebody gets a little gun

521
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,680
ad or maybe you're, you inherit

522
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,080
a, a J frame or a small gun, you know,
and you don't you're not really a shooter.

523
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,320
So and you think, well, you know,

524
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,120
maybe I'm going to learn about this gun,
maybe I'm going to shoot and that's fine.

525
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:40,840
Nothing wrong with that at all.

526
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,320
So you go to the range and they look at it
and they go,

527
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,720
oh, well, you know,
that's a 357 Magnum, Smith and Wesson.

528
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,360
So you need this.

529
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,080
And he puts up a box of 158 grain plus

530
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,080
P3 57 Magnum, Buffalo bore.

531
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,280
You know, loads.

532
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,040
And the they go, they go.

533
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,920
Oh. Okay.

534
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,680
You know, and here's a set of earmuffs.

535
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,960
You need those
and here's some shooting glasses.

536
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:07,960
You need those.

537
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,680
Now on out there to the indoor range.

538
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,680
And then Peter will show you
how to load it.

539
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,280
Yeah.

540
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,480
And so they probably don't even dry
fire it.

541
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,120
Right. Yeah.

542
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,320
So then they're going to load it
and they're going to hold it up there

543
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,800
poorly right. Flat footed.
You've seen him.

544
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,280
They kind of lean back a little bit
you know.

545
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,600
Yeah. Yeah.

546
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,960
And then they're going to let fly
with that first round

547
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,400
which they're going to jerk
the trigger on.

548
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,720
They're just going to pull it
through like that right. Yeah.

549
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,880
And if the gun stays in their hand,

550
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,360
you'll see that.

551
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,360
Look, you know, and usually that,

552
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,800
you know, sometimes they turn around,
they go, Holy cow, that kicks a lot, Yeah.

553
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,000
You know. Right.

554
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,600
Yeah. So does. Grasshopper.

555
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,320
Yeah.

556
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,480
And, or they'll swat change hands
and you see him going like this, like.

557
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,640
Oh, yeah. Oh, right.

558
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,520
And then maybe the guy's laugh and going,
yeah,

559
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,520
it's pretty funny as it kicks pretty hard.

560
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,640
Shoot it again.

561
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,520
So if he gets him to shoot it again
well then that could be the last time

562
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,360
that guy ever shoots a gun. Yeah.
You know. Yeah.

563
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:10,840
Well, certainly if it's a woman, it's

564
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,240
the last time she's ever going
to shoot a gun. Absolutely.

565
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,400
And even a revolver.

566
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,480
We, you know, we've talked about
there's video, a lot of video

567
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,360
out there of a double fire where
if you're not familiar, a,

568
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,800
revolver handled poorly
with too much recoil when it comes back.

569
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,000
If people don't manage
that as they're fighting it,

570
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,640
they can sometimes pull that trigger
and it's so fast you almost can't see it.

571
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,480
But there have been cases where it came
all the way back and the gun went off.

572
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,600
So yeah. Even a revolver
can be challenging.

573
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,920
You know, where they they you see him?

574
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,120
Just YouTube. Thank you. YouTube. Right.

575
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,520
All the hysterical gun goofs

576
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,080
and they'll shoot and the hammer
come up and hit him between the eyes.

577
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,480
And, you know, that's why it's just
you have to be careful.

578
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,320
I mean, what I teach some people
how to weld because,

579
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,800
you know, it's like I'm that guy.

580
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,040
They all say,
oh, I know some guy who welds, right?

581
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,280
So you're that guy?

582
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,560
Yeah, I'm that guy.

583
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,200
But I don't start them. Tig welding.

584
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,600
No. Yeah.

585
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,720
I mean, they come up and I get my MiG
welder out, and I set it up really basic.

586
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,920
I put the safety equipment on them,
you know?

587
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,560
Yeah. I explain how to do it.

588
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,320
We kind of hold their hand
and we go through the motions

589
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,840
without it really welding, and that I get
really simple piece of steel.

590
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,880
And then we turn it on
and I hold their hand, and then I go,

591
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,440
and we lay the first little bead,
and then it's like,

592
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,440
okay, now let's talk about it,
you know? Wow.

593
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,640
That was like, you know, that was louder
than I thought it was going to be.

594
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,360
And, you know, and it's bright
and and it's harder than I thought it was.

595
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,360
And I said, yeah, it is. Right.

596
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,560
But usually about an hour or two later,
you know, they're welding up some weirdo,

597
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,840
you know, piece of steel sculpture,
you know, all the different.

598
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,760
But but at the end
they're really happy about it.

599
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,520
I had I started that same person
because I've done it before.

600
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,760
Somebody says,
I want to learn how to tig weld.

601
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,120
No, you don't know. I do it. Really?
I can do it.

602
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,320
Okay, okay.

603
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,000
Yeah. Okay. Here. Sorry.

604
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,080
And then they can't.

605
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,800
Of course they ground out the Tig torch
and they, you know, make a mess.

606
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,600
And they, And then I go, okay, now,
do you want to learn to weld?

607
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,760
Let's go get the big welder.

608
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,920
Do you do that thing?
Not saying it happened to me.

609
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,800
Oh, that's a nice piece.

610
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,400
Think. Yeah.

611
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,520
How'd that happen?

612
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,920
Well, the same thing.

613
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600
Yeah. Well,
you know, in the time we've got left,

614
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,680
I actually got to think of a interesting,

615
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,800
discussion question, and I will say it.

616
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,840
And this is going to be controversial
because we've both

617
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,680
been on the other side of this.

618
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,840
I will say I don't think giving a gun

619
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,840
is necessarily a good idea for Christmas.

620
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,680
I, I love the idea
and I think especially a younger person,

621
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,560
when they get that 22, you know, it
is one of those watershed moments in life.

622
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,320
But unless the parent is an avid shooter

623
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,320
and really knows what they're doing,
and they can make a good,

624
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,440
intelligent judgment
about what the kid needs

625
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,440
or the spouse
or the brother in law or whatever.

626
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,400
I don't know that that a gun as a gift.

627
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,400
Unless, again,
you really know what you're talking about,

628
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,240
for starters, is all that good of an idea.

629
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,560
So again, we'll get comments.

630
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,000
You know, you're an idiot.

631
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,440
And, well, I am an idiot,
but I'm telling you, I've, you know,

632
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,520
I, I've been on the other side of it.

633
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,320
I certainly know you have, Roy.

634
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,880
And and it is a wonderful gift
that, you know, probably got us

635
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,200
where we're at, right now.

636
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,680
But I think if you're starting
from a place of you don't know if it's,

637
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,640
lever semi-auto

638
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,640
32, what is called an Wesson,

639
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,040
maybe you ought to defer
and tell that person I'll buy you gun

640
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,560
accessories, or,
you know, I'll buy you training

641
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,280
and you can rent a gun,
but maybe starting out just buying a gun

642
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:06,240
is probably not the optimal way
to start somebody down that path.

643
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,000
To learn to be a shooter.

644
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,960
I agree completely.

645
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:15,080
I think when it's like having a kid,
you know, my dad was really funny.

646
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,320
He was a clinical psychologist
and he said,

647
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,040
and he did marriage and family therapy
and he said,

648
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,360
people or talk about how,
oh, we want to save our relationship.

649
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,320
We want to have a baby. Right?

650
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,240
And he would always tell them, well,
that's fine.

651
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,080
But then do you have 18 years to spare?

652
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,840
You know, because and to me, when you
if you give somebody a gun, like

653
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,080
if you give somebody a gun,
if I had a son or daughter

654
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,360
and when they're 11 years old and I say,
well, here's your first 22 rifle.

655
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,800
Well, what I've just done
now is tied myself closer to them.

656
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,960
And that gun.

657
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,720
And so from
then on, you need to always be there,

658
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,360
you know, you need to be teaching
and being safe and, you know,

659
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,320
making sure they don't mess things up
and training them.

660
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,400
And and it's not a give it and walk away.

661
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,640
It's not a socket set, you know. Right.

662
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,040
Here's a socket set.
Go work on your bicycle.

663
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,640
You know what?

664
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,400
They can't really hurt themselves.
You're right there.

665
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,080
And so now I agree with you completely
because I've seen it.

666
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,320
You see non gun parents
who maybe know somebody like us

667
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,320
and we talk about guns in this in there
have a lot of fun and stuff.

668
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,000
And they say

669
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,120
well you know maybe that Johnny wants
that would just get him a 22 rifle.

670
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:27,800
Right.

671
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,000
Well they have nowhere they know how
to shoot where they can shoot.

672
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,640
They don't know anything about the gun.

673
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,920
So probably buying the wrong thing, right?

674
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,640
They have no idea what ammunition to buy.

675
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,720
They have no idea
what safety equipment to have.

676
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,400
They have no idea how to make it
safe or not.

677
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,720
You know, and I would stretch
that all the way to baby guns.

678
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,360
You know, unless,
you know about baby guns.

679
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,800
Don't buy your kid a baby gun, you know,
because they are going to mess up.

680
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,160
Or I was going to say, or you'll end up
like me, which I guess I've ended up okay.

681
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,160
But I did a lot of damage
when I was a kid with a Bebe gun because,

682
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,320
yeah, I've I've said it before,
my parents were not shooters.

683
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,000
My grandfather was, but, you know,
I got a really nice baby

684
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,000
gun when I was a kid,
and I terrorized the world.

685
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,600
But I think we all did.

686
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,120
Yeah, I'm not proud of it, you know?

687
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,800
But, boy, you learned
what not to do in retrospect, you know?

688
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,560
Yeah, but I think if the lesson here,
or at least the lesson I wanted to get out

689
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,120
was, you know, start medium to big ish,

690
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,120
start smaller caliber, not bigger caliber.

691
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,720
You know, start basic
rather than complicated.

692
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,760
And, but that applies across a board
to just about everything, you know,

693
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,000
I mean, if you're
if you're being introduced to tools

694
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,360
for the first time,
if you're getting the first tools

695
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,440
for your old ten year old
who wants to work on his pedal car,

696
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,160
if they have such things
anymore, or bicycle.

697
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,760
Well, like I said before,
you don't get him the snap on master set.

698
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,040
You know, you go to Harbor Freight and buy
a $5 socket set and a $5 open end wrench

699
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,560
set in one of those blister packs
with 4 or 5 different kinds of pliers

700
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,400
and wire cutters and stuff. Right.

701
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,960
And a screwdriver set.

702
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,120
Okay. He's good to go. Yeah. Right.

703
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,880
And then he'll learn, and then someday
he'll say, you know,

704
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,800
dad, this socket I keep breaking
this socket thing, you know?

705
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,720
Can I get a better one? Yeah.

706
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:21,080
It's like.

707
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Well, I mean, that's a perfect
example of yesterday.

708
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,160
I spent the day with my son, replacing
some the new the headlights on his car.

709
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,920
And in his particular car, you basically
have to disassemble the front of the car.

710
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,800
And I was really proud of him
because he's got good tools.

711
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,320
But we were talking about it.

712
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,880
And, you know,
I bought him a cheap set. At one point.

713
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,840
He realized once you've had a cheap set,
then you can appreciate a good set.

714
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,360
And it's that process.

715
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,800
Basically,
I stood aside and let him do all the work,

716
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,920
and it was just a really proud dad moment
that, you know, we talked about tools

717
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,560
and what makes good tools and,
and I think it started him off right.

718
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,600
Having cheap, inexpensive understanding
that, you know,

719
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,400
there's better ways to do this, but unless
you've gone that cheap route before.

720
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,480
And the other thing about cars, I said,

721
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,280
you know, he's like,
how'd you learn to do this and that?

722
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,280
And I said, I've had a lot of really awful
cars.

723
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,200
And, you either fix it or you don't,
and you walk.

724
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,120
So, you know, there's
there's value there in learning.

725
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,480
And as a parent, you're like, wow,
I really wish I could buy him a brand new

726
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,560
Yukon.

727
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,760
Well, you know,
I knew kids in school that that had that.

728
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,280
One of my best friends had a new Mustang.

729
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,120
And it was great to cruise with girls.

730
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,120
But to this day, I don't think
he knows how to change his own oil.

731
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,040
I, on the other hand,
know how to use Bondo and

732
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,160
and basically build a quarterback
panel out Bondo.

733
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,520
So you know it works.

734
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,520
They don't have to have the best
out of the gate. No.

735
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,120
But you actually, you brought up
a really important point is that, you

736
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,840
know, guns are sort of
not a self repair item generally.

737
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,880
So you don't want to buy the $5

738
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,960
socket set of guns
when you get your first one.

739
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,160
It's okay to be affordable.

740
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,680
Buy a Rossi, buy a Taurus.

741
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,440
But you know, something like that.
That's fine.

742
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,600
But don't buy a rusty beater in the gun
store thinking I'm going to fix this up,

743
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,600
you know?

744
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,200
Because unless you really know
what you're doing, you won't be all right.

745
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,160
Well,
I please don't yell at us in the comments.

746
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,160
I'm not saying that little guns are bad.

747
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,120
We're not saying 44 magnums are bad.

748
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,200
We're not saying 380 revolvers are bad.

749
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,080
Not at all.

750
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,040
But I think if you could come away
with a pocket full of ideas

751
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,000
and new information, things that you can
you can keep in mind

752
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,200
if you're about to go down this route,
you know,

753
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,440
or maybe you already own
a small frame revolver and you hate it.

754
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,400
Well, maybe now you've learned
how to not hate your next gun so much.

755
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:48,760
Yeah.

756
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,720
Well, and wrap it up with my point of
and maybe it's

757
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,000
not the right time to buy somebody a gun
so that that that's okay, too.

758
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,520
We're allowed to say no in life.

759
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,320
And that's something
I'm still learning at age 63.

760
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,800
But we are allowed to say no.

761
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,440
And as you always say, right,
nobody's hair will catch on fire.

762
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,600
It'll be. Flat.
His hair will catch on fire.

763
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,720
All right. We'll leave it.

764
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,360
Leave us a comment down below.

765
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,360
Or if you're listening to this show,
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766
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,360
at editor at Guns podcast. Dot us.

767
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,520
And while you're out

768
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,800
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769
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,120
We both contribute regularly to that,
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770
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,800
And there's years and years

771
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,520
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772
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,600
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773
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,120
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774
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,280
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775
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,440
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776
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:54,280
So anyway, Roy, it was a great discussion
and, we'll have another one next week.

777
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:54,960
Same time,

778
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,640
same bat channel, as they used to say, for
those of us old enough to remember.

779
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,040
Yeah.

780
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,000
So on behalf of Roy Huntington,
I'm really glad you stopped by.

781
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000
And you, you pay attention
to what we're doing here,

782
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,680
because otherwise we'll have to get jobs.

783
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,520
So anyway, as I always say
at the end of every podcast, now get out

784
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,920
there and get shooting.