Donkey Kong Bananza Spoilers Are Circulating Around

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we have a lot to get into, so
<v Speaker 2>let's start the morning mess with our headlines here. Donkey
<v Speaker 2>Kong Bonanza spoilers are circulating after early copies of leak.
<v Speaker 2>This is from Andy Robinson at VGC and this is
<v Speaker 2>more of a PSA if you care about Donkey Kong spoilers,
<v Speaker 2>I suppose, but let's get into it. Donkey Kong Bonanza
<v Speaker 2>street data has been broken and significant game spoilers are
<v Speaker 2>beginning to circulate online. Multiple social media users posted images
<v Speaker 2>showing they obtained early copies of the Switch to Game
<v Speaker 2>over the weekend, and screenshots of unannounced game content are
<v Speaker 2>being shared. Those looking to avoid spoilers for Donkey Kong
<v Speaker 2>Binanz's July seventeenth release date three days really like two
<v Speaker 2>and a half because the game comes out that evening,
<v Speaker 2>right in about two nights. They may you may want
<v Speaker 2>to avoid social media. I guess I'll say kat for
<v Speaker 2>this game, I did get the sense that there is
<v Speaker 2>more going on than they're letting on, so I guess
<v Speaker 2>I'm not too surprised to hear about spoilers, although I
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen this myself, so I don't think people are
<v Speaker 2>talking too much about like big plot spoilers, although my
<v Speaker 2>maybe characters we weren't expecting or something like this.
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen this characters, moments, moment level, yes, levels,
<v Speaker 1>that's for me.
<v Speaker 2>The gameplay spoilers are the things that always get me,
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I want to be surprised about all the
<v Speaker 2>fun stuff they put in here for me to play
<v Speaker 2>around with, but that that could be popping up in
<v Speaker 2>this as well. This is a little bit different than
<v Speaker 2>the story how the story normally goes cat because we'd
<v Speaker 2>be like, hey, a Nintendo game leaked early and it's
<v Speaker 2>been ripped and it's everywhere online.
<v Speaker 1>That is not the case for switched to so far.
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons Nintendo was like, Hey, let's get
<v Speaker 2>to this next generation because piracy.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the game still out there.
<v Speaker 2>They are there are still plenty of spoilers, spoilers going
<v Speaker 2>around you.
<v Speaker 1>Is that going to bother you if you get spoiled
<v Speaker 1>by this game?
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think that there's going to be you know,
<v Speaker 3>a sixth sense level twist in this one, though. I
<v Speaker 3>mean still time rymp. I'm just going to go in
<v Speaker 3>and eye open, eyes open. If there was anything I
<v Speaker 3>don't want to spoil, want spoiled. I guess it's the
<v Speaker 3>sense of wonder that can come from a really good
<v Speaker 3>Nintendo game. It's one thing to watch trailers for a
<v Speaker 3>game like Mario Odyssey, and the team behind Mario Odyssey
<v Speaker 3>worked on this one. It's another thing to actually play
<v Speaker 3>the game and experience it. And there's always so many
<v Speaker 3>small moments of joy, so many great Easter eggs, so
<v Speaker 3>many levels that can be really memorable. So I do
<v Speaker 3>like to preserve that surprise. But I've never been particularly
<v Speaker 3>precious about spoilers in a way that a lot of
<v Speaker 3>other people are. I think that the times that I've
<v Speaker 3>been spoiled I would go, Okay, well, now I know
<v Speaker 3>about that, I guess, but sometimes you can be surprised
<v Speaker 3>and happy anyway, even if you know how it actually ends.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's exactly been my experience, so I'm right there
<v Speaker 2>with you on that. But it people do take this
<v Speaker 2>very seriously, and if you want to avoid it, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I guess, go ahead and mute Donkey Kong on social
<v Speaker 2>media or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>Is there something that you would be if I got
<v Speaker 3>spoiled on this? I would be so mad, like something
<v Speaker 3>that you actually really are invested in not getting spoiled on.
<v Speaker 1>It's tough. There's definitely. I'm sure there's been examples.
<v Speaker 2>It's just not usually it's not story because the way
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching stuff, I'm so like engaged. If I get
<v Speaker 2>the spoiler about some big twist, what, it just kind
<v Speaker 2>of recontextualizes that first let's watch where I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>now I'm just looking for how they're going to get
<v Speaker 2>to that payoff, and it kind of just flips things
<v Speaker 2>a little bit for me, and I still find that
<v Speaker 2>very enjoyable. But I'm I'm sure there are examples that
<v Speaker 2>I just can't think of where it would have been like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>that's I guess that's kind of annoying.
<v Speaker 1>I wish I could have had that pure.
<v Speaker 2>Surprise, which which is what people are always trying to
<v Speaker 2>preserve when they're really talking about spoilers. I just you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's not a holy thing for me. That's I'm really.
<v Speaker 3>Good avoiding spoilers. For example, I'm ased to avoid being
<v Speaker 3>spoiled on Final Fantasy seven Rebirths for more than a year.
<v Speaker 1>WHOA, okay, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And I want to charity and I went, yeah, okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'm really good. I managed to avoid getting spoiled on
<v Speaker 3>Fight Club for like ten years. I did not see
<v Speaker 3>that movie until two thousand and nine, and when the
<v Speaker 3>ending happened, I'm like, oh, and my partner goes, did
<v Speaker 3>you not know that? And I said, wow, I didn't
<v Speaker 3>know that. I managed to avoid spoilers for ten years.
<v Speaker 3>Good job me.
<v Speaker 2>So I kind I kind of wonder like if my
<v Speaker 2>kids they have not really watched like Star Wars yet.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, do they even know about like Darth Vader?
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm like, don't.
<v Speaker 3>Tell them, let them be surprised and traumatized.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna see if I can make it happen.
<v Speaker 1>Let's traumatize these kids.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's going to have a great life. He's doing
<v Speaker 3>a great job. It'll be totally okay. Everything is coming
<v Speaker 3>up great for Annie. You're right going to be on
<v Speaker 3>fire and musta farre.
<v Speaker 2>He is handsome and on top of the world. That
<v Speaker 2>can't go wrong. Kids, You're right, all right? More Donkey
<v Speaker 2>Kong Bananza stuff. It is Donkey Kong Bananza week, so
<v Speaker 2>let's go nuts with that, or I guess let's go
<v Speaker 2>bananas with it.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, everybody.
<v Speaker 2>Donkey Kong Bananza director acknowledges performance dips and drops that
<v Speaker 2>says we prioritized fun and playability. From Liam Dulin at
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo Life, Donkey Kong Bonanza is shaping up to be
<v Speaker 2>an excellent outing for DK, but the recent previews did.
<v Speaker 1>Highlight some performance concerns.
<v Speaker 2>The game's director, Kazu Takahashi, has now reportedly acknowledged these
<v Speaker 2>issues in a chat with Spanish outlet Levangardia, seemingly confirming
<v Speaker 2>these framerate drops will be in the final build during
<v Speaker 2>more destructive moments of the game. For Nintendo, it was
<v Speaker 2>instead apparently about prioritizing fun and playability. Here's Takashi's full response.
<v Speaker 2>There are several factors to consider. First, we intentionally used
<v Speaker 2>effects like hit stop and slow motion to emphasize impacts. Second,
<v Speaker 2>because we used a Vauxel technology, there are times where
<v Speaker 2>there are major changes and destruction in the environment. We're
<v Speaker 2>aware that performance may drop slightly at these times. However,
<v Speaker 2>as you say, overall, the game is smooth and at
<v Speaker 2>points where large scale changes occur where we prioritized, prioritized.
<v Speaker 1>Fun and playability.
<v Speaker 2>I think this is like kind of notable cap because
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo at least at one point had a reputation for well,
<v Speaker 2>it's games they're going to run at sixty frames per second,
<v Speaker 2>kind of locked on its hardware. We can count on that,
<v Speaker 2>and that has not necessarily been the case since the
<v Speaker 2>launch of the Switch, for sure, with Breath of the
<v Speaker 2>Wild and then a handful of things here or there,
<v Speaker 2>trying to think of honestly, some other Zelda games Echoes
<v Speaker 2>of Wisdom and Links Awakening, where it's okay, yeah, these
<v Speaker 2>are just straight up frame rate performance drops, and so
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the armor is undented here for Nintendo.
<v Speaker 2>But there's still this idea like Nintendo puts out games
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be locked at sixty and we could
<v Speaker 2>trust that, and so people are kind of like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>there are some performance drops, and it hits really hard,
<v Speaker 2>and it hits really hard in this moment right before
<v Speaker 2>the game's out, where like the puddle news does the
<v Speaker 2>most work, where it's like, Oh my god.
<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited about this game.
<v Speaker 2>What is something I can have anxieties about where I'm
<v Speaker 2>so I can be worried about these things, Mike, That's
<v Speaker 2>what my stupid brain wants to do.
<v Speaker 1>It kind of feels like that's what this is.
<v Speaker 3>A little bit as soon as I saw this, I
<v Speaker 3>was like, well, that's going to be a week's worth
<v Speaker 3>of headlines and conversation and discourse and people posting pictures
<v Speaker 3>of a billion voxels happening on Blue Sky and going,
<v Speaker 3>look at this frame rate drop. This is totally unacceptable.
<v Speaker 1>Huh.
<v Speaker 3>It is a little It is a little disappointing in
<v Speaker 3>light of the fact that Donkey Kong Binanza was originally
<v Speaker 3>a switch one game that was optimized for switch to.
<v Speaker 3>On the flip side, I have no doubt destructibility is
<v Speaker 3>very hard to do in a game like this, especially
<v Speaker 3>when you're just destroying literally everything, and if you are
<v Speaker 3>really going for it in terms of destroying your environments.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not surprised that there's gonna be a little bit
<v Speaker 3>of a performance dip here. I mean, the switch to
<v Speaker 3>is not it's not even a ps five really, So yeah,
<v Speaker 3>like that's that's all I really have to say about it.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that it won't. As long as it's not
<v Speaker 3>impacting my moment to moment, I'm probably going to be
<v Speaker 3>perfectly okay. But yes, I'm sure people are. It's going
<v Speaker 3>to be a discussion point. It's going to be like, well,
<v Speaker 3>here's the first example of the switch to already chugging,
<v Speaker 3>and it's only twenty twenty five. What's it going to
<v Speaker 3>look like in twenty twenty eight?
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, exactly, And it's that's the real thing here
<v Speaker 2>is people just spent you know, four fifty to five
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars on a new piece of hardware, and they
<v Speaker 2>don't want any reason to They want all the reasons
<v Speaker 2>to feel good about that, and they want to be reassured,
<v Speaker 2>content to be.
<v Speaker 3>Feeling ecstatic about this thing.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, exactly. And this is the.
<v Speaker 3>First besides Mario Kart, this is the first real big
<v Speaker 3>prestige release.
<v Speaker 2>Well obviously Survival Kids, Survival Kids from Obviously Obviously, then
<v Speaker 2>Donkey Kong Binance.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the.
<v Speaker 3>Way again, Donkey Kong.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's exactly it is. People spend a
<v Speaker 2>lot of money, they want to be ecstatic. Anything that
<v Speaker 2>sort of pushes against that is going to hurt all
<v Speaker 2>that much more.
<v Speaker 1>And I think you're right.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is a game that they definitely they
<v Speaker 2>said they started on the Switch one, moved it to
<v Speaker 2>switch to and when they're doing that, of course they're like, well,
<v Speaker 2>we have all this power, so now we could do
<v Speaker 2>this destructibility that we wanted to do. And I think
<v Speaker 2>they probably just waited out where it's like the occasional
<v Speaker 2>moment where things will slow down.
<v Speaker 1>It's not like that's that's an insane idea.
<v Speaker 2>Games used to have that all the time on the
<v Speaker 2>nes and the Super Nintendo, where too many things on
<v Speaker 2>the screen would cause slow down, and we just were like,
<v Speaker 2>that's part of the game. And I feel like that's
<v Speaker 2>probably how I'm gonna be in this instance as well now.
<v Speaker 1>Of course, but I love it to be locked at
<v Speaker 1>sixty one percent of the time.
<v Speaker 2>I would when the Switch two did come out and
<v Speaker 2>I was playing all those Switch one games that ran
<v Speaker 2>poorly and now they run perfectly on the switch to
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome, love having that, But I that doesn't that
<v Speaker 2>does not mean that I did not have a great
<v Speaker 2>time playing those games originally on the Switch one. I did,
<v Speaker 2>and the performance was hardly a problem in any of
<v Speaker 2>those instances.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to make two. I don't want to
<v Speaker 3>make too much deal anyway, continuing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it's you're right that this is saying that
<v Speaker 2>we're going to see a week's worth of headlines. Is
<v Speaker 2>the exact right take here is like this is the
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing that we just kind of blow up
<v Speaker 2>because we need something to talk about while we wait
<v Speaker 2>for this thing.
<v Speaker 1>Once we get it, though, cat right.
<v Speaker 2>And it's in our hands, do you think people are
<v Speaker 2>like do you think this is going to be a
<v Speaker 2>big talking point? Because my guess here is like once
<v Speaker 2>people are playing it, this will get mentioned here or there,
<v Speaker 2>but like fifth or sixth or seventh down on the list.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, definitely, I think that people are probably going
<v Speaker 3>to be much more focused on the game itself, which
<v Speaker 3>by all accounts is really fantastic, really amazing to play.
<v Speaker 3>So if that is actually the case, then I expect
<v Speaker 3>that's going to be one of the things that's going
<v Speaker 3>to kind of take over for Yeah, Donkey Kong Nanza.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the previews were really good and uh, just
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the.
<v Speaker 3>Words buzz is really good overall.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, on the grapevine, hearing some really really positive things,
<v Speaker 2>very positive things, exactly. Not that there's a I don't
<v Speaker 2>think there's a ton of review copies out there, but
<v Speaker 2>there's there's some. And yeah, good, good, good buzz out.
<v Speaker 3>We're hearing chatter, little birds.
<v Speaker 2>Little birds are talking. Yes, exactly, all right, let's keep
<v Speaker 2>going here with the headlines. Mario Movie Team returns for
<v Speaker 2>a Donkey Kong film. Listing reveals this is whom Blair
<v Speaker 2>Marnell at GameSpot. Even before the Super Mario Brothers movie
<v Speaker 2>was a smash hit for Universal Pictures and Illumination, it
<v Speaker 2>was rumored that more movies based on Nintendo's classic characters
<v Speaker 2>were on the way. Now it looks like Donkey Kong
<v Speaker 2>is on deck to get his own film. Universal and
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo have jointly filed a copyright. This is from IGN
<v Speaker 2>for an untitled Donkey Kong motion picture. It's ironic because
<v Speaker 2>decades earlier, Universal and Nintendo battled it out in court
<v Speaker 2>over whether Donkey Kong infringed upon King Kong. Nintendo went
<v Speaker 2>on to win when that case went when the company's
<v Speaker 2>lawyer demonstrated that the Universal had already argued that King.
<v Speaker 1>Kong was in the public domain.
<v Speaker 2>The two companies buried the hatchet a long time ago,
<v Speaker 2>and they collectively raked in one point thirty six to
<v Speaker 2>one billion dollars worldwide from the first Mario Brothers movie,
<v Speaker 2>so kind of felt inevitable that they would team up again.
<v Speaker 2>They're not working on the Zelda movie, so this is
<v Speaker 2>not like, oh, of course they're working again. That's their
<v Speaker 2>movie partner, Sony is making the Zelda movie, so them
<v Speaker 2>like being well for animation, we're going to go back
<v Speaker 2>to illumination. That's Universal. We're going to kind of keep
<v Speaker 2>going that route. That does make some sense, But it
<v Speaker 2>has felt like we were going to get a Donkey
<v Speaker 2>Kong movie for a minute now, because they are invested
<v Speaker 2>in this game and really the you know, having the
<v Speaker 2>theme park expand with Donkey Kong, it's like they're going
<v Speaker 2>all in on this other character as well, and that
<v Speaker 2>means probably a movie.
<v Speaker 1>What are your expectations for this, I'm kind.
<v Speaker 3>Of racking my brains trying to remember Seth Rogan's to
<v Speaker 3>piction of Donkey Kong and the Mario. The Mario movie.
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember if I liked it that much. I
<v Speaker 3>remember that the depiction of Cranky was interesting.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was yes, that was something.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But like for for Seth, it was Seth Rogan, right.
<v Speaker 2>All I remember is he just does the Seth Rogan
<v Speaker 2>laugh and seeing.
<v Speaker 3>That coming out very energetic, I guess. Yes, definitely had
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of a rivalry with Mario. I don't
<v Speaker 3>remember the characterization all that well. It wasn't particularly strong. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was just like, hey, I'm going to prove
<v Speaker 2>my dad that I can do things, and I'm going
<v Speaker 2>to argue with Mario while I do that. So, you know,
<v Speaker 2>kind of he was the Han solo character, right, He's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>this Donkey Kong, except for he was a Donkey Kong.
<v Speaker 2>That's the only difference there.
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah. I mean this movie is also probably gonna
<v Speaker 1>do very well.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it does Mario numbers, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>if it does, if it could repeat that, yes, they've
<v Speaker 2>got a template.
<v Speaker 3>They know what they're going to be doing with this one.
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be a lot like the Mario movie.
<v Speaker 3>There's probably going to be annoying pop songs over it.
<v Speaker 3>I like the Mario movie, I think more than a
<v Speaker 3>lot of people that I know, But even I'm kind
<v Speaker 3>of like, Eh, this is very zero substance, very safe,
<v Speaker 3>and I think it's kind of emblematic of modern day Nintendo,
<v Speaker 3>which is just trying to take its existing characters and
<v Speaker 3>do as much as possible with them. I'm amazed that
<v Speaker 3>they've done as much as they have with Donkey Kong,
<v Speaker 3>a character who you know, he's on the pac Man
<v Speaker 3>level in terms of when he came into the games industry.
<v Speaker 3>If you look at him, if you think about him
<v Speaker 3>very deeply, you go, well, yeah, he's a monkey with
<v Speaker 3>a tie. How much? How deep can you really go
<v Speaker 3>with this guy? How appealing is he is he to
<v Speaker 3>mass audiences? But here he is headlining one of the
<v Speaker 3>biggest games of twenty twenty five, and he's probably going
<v Speaker 3>to be not if not in a billion dollar movie,
<v Speaker 3>then it's gonna make hundreds of millions of dollars in
<v Speaker 3>the box office. So fair played into Nintendo for actually
<v Speaker 3>making Donkey Kong continue to happen.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's you know, it's weird.
<v Speaker 2>Like I've been reading and they're doing a lot of
<v Speaker 2>audiobooks of like gaming history recently, and whenever Donkey Kong
<v Speaker 2>does come up at least they're like among that, like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, a pop historian perspective, like Donkey Kong the
<v Speaker 2>first game with a story, and it's like, oh, I
<v Speaker 2>guess that arcade game was story?
<v Speaker 1>I know, right?
<v Speaker 2>Is That's where I was like, I'm like, is that like,
<v Speaker 2>by our modern standards, not really right, but compared to
<v Speaker 2>all the other arcade games at the time, where it
<v Speaker 2>was just hey, you're in a spaceship shooting aliens. But
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, is it that much more of a
<v Speaker 2>story than aliens are invading and you're protecting Earth?
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so.
<v Speaker 3>By Pauline, there's a monkey.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all the lore hounds, all the Donkey Kong lore hounds,
<v Speaker 3>they're out there. They're very invested. One of the talking
<v Speaker 3>points around Mario the new Donkey Kong game where people
<v Speaker 3>trying to ascertain what Donkey Kong's actual age is and
<v Speaker 3>Nintendo was saying, we're not going to tell you that
<v Speaker 3>that's something that you can figure out for yourself. But
<v Speaker 3>I know that there has to be hours long videos
<v Speaker 3>out there dissecting every single Donkey Kong game too to
<v Speaker 3>figure this out. The entire Donkey Kong family tree.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, there there was that, uh you know, not backlash,
<v Speaker 2>but there was like, hey, we need an explanation for
<v Speaker 2>how is it possible that Donkey Kong is friends with
<v Speaker 2>Pauline when she's a girl and then later kidnaps her.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just like, I don't know, use your imagination, guys.
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo doesn't owe you anything. What are you talking about?
<v Speaker 3>Get the Simpsons all over again?
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh yeah, uh hey, I expect to get answers
<v Speaker 2>to all this in the game.
<v Speaker 1>They better do that or else the zero out of ten.
<v Speaker 3>I really hope somebody got fired over that.
<v Speaker 1>All right, A little bit more Nintendo news here.
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo is gauging player opinion on Switch tos game key
<v Speaker 2>cards in Japan. This is from Jordan Midler at VGC.
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo is gauging player opinion on Switch twos controversial game
<v Speaker 2>key cards in Japan. Since Switch two's launch, game key
<v Speaker 2>cards have attracted criticism from some for the fact that
<v Speaker 2>they contain no more than a digital activation key for
<v Speaker 2>the game titles for the game's titles, rather than any
<v Speaker 2>game data. The only difference between a game key card
<v Speaker 2>title and a digital download is that the former can
<v Speaker 2>be resold and will work on other switch to systems
<v Speaker 2>without the need for virtual game card lending. So far,
<v Speaker 2>the vast majority of third party Switch two games are
<v Speaker 2>game key cards, with only a few exceptions, reportedly because
<v Speaker 2>only one size of card is available to developers, and
<v Speaker 2>that's the sixty four gigabyte variant. Also, I did choose
<v Speaker 2>this story over the other stories because Jordan correctly calls
<v Speaker 2>them cards instead of cartridges, which is one of my
<v Speaker 2>pet peeves.
<v Speaker 1>Cat.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's the questions here. Did you know that Nintendo's
<v Speaker 2>which two package software includes a game card called a
<v Speaker 2>game key card? Another question is do you know anything
<v Speaker 2>about the characteristics of the game key card? Please select
<v Speaker 2>all that you know, and then, after reading the above explanation,
<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to buy a piece of software and
<v Speaker 2>there was a game key card or a download version available,
<v Speaker 2>which would you choose? Please choose the answer that applies. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>whatever the results of these questions, these are pole questions.
<v Speaker 2>There's multiple answers whatever. Clearly this does show that Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>is like, is there a reputation around game key cards?
<v Speaker 3>Like?
<v Speaker 2>How real is this conversation that's happening around those things?
<v Speaker 2>Is this something that is spread out to the standard
<v Speaker 2>consumer or is this still an insulated, whiny gamer thing,
<v Speaker 2>which you know, Nintendo can deal with a winy gamer thing,
<v Speaker 2>but none of these companies want one of those things
<v Speaker 2>to break containment and become the Oh, you know, that's
<v Speaker 2>a game key card and I'm going to tell the
<v Speaker 2>mom at GameStop not to get this because that's a
<v Speaker 2>game key card. I think they're like, we can handle
<v Speaker 2>the game er stuff. Do you think it's starting to
<v Speaker 2>break containment? Is this assign to you that Nintendo is
<v Speaker 2>rightfully worried?
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure, honestly. One thing that surprised me was
<v Speaker 3>that was learning that the Switch more than fifty percent
<v Speaker 3>of sales on the switch were physical, which, when I
<v Speaker 3>think about it, not surprising actually, because you go to
<v Speaker 3>a store, you see a lot of physical switch games,
<v Speaker 3>maybe you pick them up, maybe you buy a switch
<v Speaker 3>and you grab a copy of Mario kard eight, that
<v Speaker 3>kind of thing. I'll tell you my opinion on game
<v Speaker 3>key cards I hate them. I want them to die
<v Speaker 3>as a concept because I think it's such a bait
<v Speaker 3>and switch to go and buy a game and you're
<v Speaker 3>thinking that, Okay, I have this game that I can
<v Speaker 3>now play online Nintendo switch too, and oh no, it
<v Speaker 3>requires a download and this thing is functionally worthless without
<v Speaker 3>an Internet connection. And you go, well, that's not a
<v Speaker 3>problem until the servers aren't there anymore. And the reason
<v Speaker 3>that I want to buy a p physical game is
<v Speaker 3>so that I can have it on a cartridge or
<v Speaker 3>a card, I guess you could say, and actually play
<v Speaker 3>the thing, and I just I do not. I have
<v Speaker 3>literally zero interest in ever buying a game key card?
<v Speaker 1>Are you?
<v Speaker 3>Are you taking this down Nintendo and your a little survey.
<v Speaker 3>I know why they're doing it. They don't want people
<v Speaker 3>buying physical. They want people buying digital because they can
<v Speaker 3>control that, they can control the licenses, and this is
<v Speaker 3>their way of weaning people off that. But I person
<v Speaker 3>and also it's more expensive to just put a game
<v Speaker 3>straight up, the full game like what Cyberpunk did onto
<v Speaker 3>a game key card but or whatever game card, game cartridge. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>but I hate it personally.
<v Speaker 2>It's it feels bad right like that's that's the thing
<v Speaker 2>that's like, Like, I realized that there's some benefits to
<v Speaker 2>this versus the code and a box having the option
<v Speaker 2>to be able to resell it. Clearly that's a benefit,
<v Speaker 2>right though, oh great, thanks for giving me something here,
<v Speaker 2>it still feels bad because you're right. The idea that
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, the idea I'm purchasing this thing under is
<v Speaker 2>that you need to look when you get a thing.
<v Speaker 2>You're right, It's all there on the card, and that
<v Speaker 2>is the idea that's in my head when I have
<v Speaker 2>this thing. So when I look at it and I'm
<v Speaker 2>recognizing it is not that it is just a digital code,
<v Speaker 2>it just feels bad. Which you know, whenever you're going
<v Speaker 2>to spend any money we talked about earlier, you want
<v Speaker 2>to feel ecstatic, you want to feel good, and I
<v Speaker 2>just don't have that feeling here.
<v Speaker 3>Now.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not someone who buys physical anymore, so this is
<v Speaker 2>just something I'm like, I'm kind of watching academically. But
<v Speaker 2>if I were in the shoes of people who like
<v Speaker 2>to collect games, clearly I would be like, this is
<v Speaker 2>not I don't want these things. They are actually just
<v Speaker 2>as worthless to me as a digital code. In a box,
<v Speaker 2>you know, for the kid that like gets a couple
<v Speaker 2>of games a year and like they okay, I like,
<v Speaker 2>I get that this is still something they can resell
<v Speaker 2>and do something, and so it's better than nothing from
<v Speaker 2>that perspective. But yes, I'm with you that this is
<v Speaker 2>just not something I would ever be interested in, especially
<v Speaker 2>not like putting on a shelf. Like could you imagine
<v Speaker 2>like looking at your shelf and seeing this there and
<v Speaker 2>be like I would just be like gross, that doesn't
<v Speaker 2>feel good at all, and I switch.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, such a bait switch for the average person. Just
<v Speaker 3>imagine some parent going, oh, you know, I got to
<v Speaker 3>buy the latest Donkey Kong game here or whatever. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know if game Donkey Kong is a game key card,
<v Speaker 3>but let's imagine they buy a game expecting that it's
<v Speaker 3>just going to work out of the box, and all
<v Speaker 3>of a sudden they're having trouble. You gotta download things.
<v Speaker 3>People are getting confused. That doesn't feel good. Doesn't feel good?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for the like Cyberpunk that does that stream off
<v Speaker 2>the card? Do you know or does you have to
<v Speaker 2>like install it? Because I can know the others.
<v Speaker 3>Device all on the card, I can't tell you that
<v Speaker 3>because I haven't played Cyberpunk on the card, so I
<v Speaker 3>do not know. I'm only aware that the whole thing
<v Speaker 3>is on the card. I don't what actually gets onto
<v Speaker 3>the switch too. I imagine that there's an install.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's probably some install, but I don't Maybe it's
<v Speaker 2>not like the way it works on PlayStation or Xbox.
<v Speaker 1>We have to install the whole game on there. I don't.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, either way, technology.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.
<v Speaker 2>So for you know, this conversation that's been ongoing where
<v Speaker 2>it's like, okay, early on most of these third party
<v Speaker 2>games have been game key cards. Is that just a
<v Speaker 2>relic of this launch and how that like that the
<v Speaker 2>way things worked and what Nintendo offered them. Uh, is
<v Speaker 2>this something Nintendo could kind of step back away from
<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't go well, If like the physical sales
<v Speaker 2>are hurting and they're not seeing a you know, a
<v Speaker 2>pickup in sales on digital that is equivalent to the
<v Speaker 2>amount of loss that they're seeing in physical, do you
<v Speaker 2>think Nintendo is going to change their tune here and
<v Speaker 2>start offering smaller card sizes that can accommodate more games,
<v Speaker 2>that are more affordable for developers and publishers kind of
<v Speaker 2>doubt it.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think they care. I think the Switch Too
<v Speaker 3>is selling like Gangbusters and Donkey Kong. Finanza is going
<v Speaker 3>to sell a Gangbusters. And Nintendo is a notoriously very
<v Speaker 3>rigid company and a very conservative company, and they do
<v Speaker 3>things the way they want to do. And this is
<v Speaker 3>frankly a taiale of old as old as time, going
<v Speaker 3>all the way back to the days of the Nintendo
<v Speaker 3>sixty four where Nintendo said, look, we're sticking with cartridges
<v Speaker 3>and you can either stick with us or go develop
<v Speaker 3>for PlayStation. We don't care. Oh, you're going to develop
<v Speaker 3>for PlayStation.
<v Speaker 1>Crap, We still don't care.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we still don't care.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I think that I think that that spirit is still
<v Speaker 2>inside a Nintendo that's sort of being like, we know
<v Speaker 2>what's best here, and we're going to do this. Although
<v Speaker 2>you know, seeing this survey and them trying to gauge
<v Speaker 2>what consumers feel about it, at least in Japan, it
<v Speaker 2>does make me think that they're not entirely sure about
<v Speaker 2>this one, and maybe this is a company that has
<v Speaker 2>changed the role.
<v Speaker 3>I think this is very very typical information collection from
<v Speaker 3>the themes just to gauge sentiment.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure so, yeah, you're right, these kinds of surveys
<v Speaker 2>happen more free. Like you know, we talk about them
<v Speaker 2>occasionally on a show like this, they happen all the time,
<v Speaker 2>and they're usually much more mundane. And maybe we're just
<v Speaker 2>noticing this one because it's saying some of those key
<v Speaker 2>words that have been in the news. You're one hundred
<v Speaker 2>percent could be right about that. I'm I'm hopeful that
<v Speaker 2>you know that the physical game space can kind of
<v Speaker 2>get prolonged a little bit and Nintendo will have a
<v Speaker 2>little bit of a Sure that was just a launch thing,
<v Speaker 2>and now here's a ton of sixteen gigabyte cards that
<v Speaker 2>are reasonably priced, and so any game smaller than that
<v Speaker 2>can just go on there and everyone can feel better
<v Speaker 2>about this.
<v Speaker 1>But I could be kidding myself. We'll see, all.
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<v Speaker 2>Now it's Game Mess Mornings. I'm Jeff grub Batt's cab Bailey.
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get back into it here on the show.
<v Speaker 2>The Xbox rog ally prices have accident accidentally been posted
<v Speaker 2>by Asus.
<v Speaker 1>Apparently this is from alex Co.
<v Speaker 2>Last month, a known leaker out of the price points
<v Speaker 2>of the Asis rog Xbox out handheld gaming devices. Well,
<v Speaker 2>the hardware maker has to announced anything since then. It
<v Speaker 2>looks like an announcement is forthcoming, though it's one that
<v Speaker 2>got leaked again. If you were hoping for something affordable
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't seem to be the case based on the
<v Speaker 2>leaked listings. Yeah, as a reminder, we talked about someone's say, hey,
<v Speaker 2>the price should be from here to here. This seems
<v Speaker 2>to basically confirm that the more affordable rog xbox ally
<v Speaker 2>not the ally X, is going to be six hundred
<v Speaker 2>euro which is about let's see about seven hundred dollars.
<v Speaker 2>The rog xbox ally x lots of x's in there
<v Speaker 2>is going to be eight hundred and ninety nine euros,
<v Speaker 2>which is around one thousand to one thy fifty in
<v Speaker 2>terms of US dollars. That you know, those prices seem
<v Speaker 2>a little bit much, but I guess I'm also not
<v Speaker 2>surprised by them. We still don't have a release date
<v Speaker 2>for this thing, although they're supposed to be out by
<v Speaker 2>the end of this year. Where are you at with
<v Speaker 2>the rog ally x xbox and these price points that
<v Speaker 2>we're now starting to hear about.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, speaking for myself personally, I have literally no
<v Speaker 3>interest in a rog ally that I'm not the customer
<v Speaker 3>for this. I do own a steam deck Oled. I
<v Speaker 3>like my steam deck o led. My steam deck Oled
<v Speaker 3>does many things for me, and I'm not too fussed
<v Speaker 3>about the fact that I don't have game Pass on it. Actually,
<v Speaker 3>I'm probably going to be canceling Game Passed before too
<v Speaker 3>long because that's a service that's already too expensive and
<v Speaker 3>doesn't really give me the value that I would like
<v Speaker 3>out of it. So uh, it will cater to a
<v Speaker 3>very small group of people who are very invested in
<v Speaker 3>that particular service in the games that is going to
<v Speaker 3>have to offer, and the Windows experience is a platform,
<v Speaker 3>and I say, more power to them. I'm kind of wondering, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>let's say you spend more than a thousand dollars. If
<v Speaker 3>that's actually the case for this roaje ad about X
<v Speaker 3>by box ALLYX, how much better of an experience are
<v Speaker 3>you getting with the compared to the Steam deck ol ed.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, obviously in a very streamlined way to access
<v Speaker 3>game pass and game pass games and that kind of thing,
<v Speaker 3>but how much better? How much of a boost are
<v Speaker 3>you getting for that kind of money?
<v Speaker 2>I mean that, And that's really the question still that
<v Speaker 2>does remain unanswered is is the experience going to be
<v Speaker 2>better than other Windows handhelds? Is it going to be
<v Speaker 2>equivalent to using a Steam Deck, which is a very
<v Speaker 2>streamlined experience at this point and it's like, okay, well,
<v Speaker 2>that's been the goal internally at Microsoft was to build
<v Speaker 2>a variant of Windows Slash Xbox OS that does work
<v Speaker 2>really well on a handheld. But we don't know if
<v Speaker 2>they succeeded it that We're not going to know until
<v Speaker 2>people start getting these things in their hands. But that's
<v Speaker 2>a big remaining question. And then yeah, just the raw performance, like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we've seen some updated chipsets from AMD since the the
<v Speaker 2>Deck came out. Some things are already faster at running games.
<v Speaker 2>The ally itself is a little bit faster. Is this
<v Speaker 2>going to be that much faster? Is it going to
<v Speaker 2>be you know whatever, We're like three hundred four hundred
<v Speaker 2>dollars faster. I mean, I don't know, probably not, But
<v Speaker 2>maybe if you combine all of the factors, the fact
<v Speaker 2>that this is going to have if you are stolen
<v Speaker 2>super into game Pass, this is just going to have
<v Speaker 2>all those games ready to go, and it's going to
<v Speaker 2>work really well, and the Windows experience is streamlined and
<v Speaker 2>doesn't cause headaches anymore, and it's super comfortable because it
<v Speaker 2>does just feel like an Xbox controller. Maybe if you
<v Speaker 2>throw all those things together, I could see some of
<v Speaker 2>it something of an argument, and I think for the
<v Speaker 2>people who this is for, that's going to be a
<v Speaker 2>winning argument. But if you are already happy with your
<v Speaker 2>steam Deck, it's going to be a little bit more
<v Speaker 2>of a challenge. I think the story recently has been, hey,
<v Speaker 2>we took some of those Windows handhelds and we put
<v Speaker 2>steam os on it, and now this thing is really good,
<v Speaker 2>and it's oh yeah, that's kind of have That's been
<v Speaker 2>my experience as well. So I think Microsoft just has
<v Speaker 2>a big, uphill battle to figure out with making this
<v Speaker 2>thing matter in terms of user experience. I mean, you
<v Speaker 2>have a Nintendo newsletter, I have a Nintendo podcast. The
<v Speaker 2>reason I like the switch cat is I turn that
<v Speaker 2>thing on and I know it knows I'm ready for gaming,
<v Speaker 2>and it just feels like I'm entering a gaming environment.
<v Speaker 2>And the Windows handhelds have never felt that way. How
<v Speaker 2>important do you think it is that, like something like this,
<v Speaker 2>an Xbox handheld kind of feels more like a switch
<v Speaker 2>than a PC.
<v Speaker 3>I think it has to feel I think it has
<v Speaker 3>to feel incredible. I think it has to. Okay, so
<v Speaker 3>you're buying a switch too, and you're accepting certain technical
<v Speaker 3>trade offs for a certain amount of flavor. If you're
<v Speaker 3>buying an Xbox to the extent that Xbox has literally
<v Speaker 3>any identity anymore, you're expecting power. You're expecting a crisp,
<v Speaker 3>amazing experience for more than a thousand dollars on your
<v Speaker 3>giant handheld that you're gonna clock people over the head with.
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna expect an amazing screen. You're expecting it to
<v Speaker 3>not you know, burn a hole through whatever because it's
<v Speaker 3>overheating so bad from and that it's able to cool itself.
<v Speaker 3>You're expecting a really super duper premium experience. And that
<v Speaker 3>does extend to the UI and the UX. So it's
<v Speaker 3>less about being a switch and just going wow, I
<v Speaker 3>bought a Cadillac of a handheld gaming device right here
<v Speaker 3>for my Xbox LAX, and maybe maybe it will be
<v Speaker 3>like that. But let me tell you something else, Jeff,
<v Speaker 3>UI and UX is not exactly the strong suit of
<v Speaker 3>Xbox here. No. I still to the extent that I
<v Speaker 3>turn on my Xbox Series X at all whenever I
<v Speaker 3>go in there, I'm like, oh my god, this thing is.
<v Speaker 3>They've had the same freakin dashboard for how long? And yes,
<v Speaker 3>I no switches. Also, I had the same dashboard to
<v Speaker 3>ten years. So come on, Nintendo, get at it. But
<v Speaker 3>I'll take Nintendo's dashboard over xboxes dashboard any day of
<v Speaker 3>the week. What is even going on with that dashboard?
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's definitely like it gets messier because
<v Speaker 2>it's like did they change it?
<v Speaker 1>And like, what is different here?
<v Speaker 2>And you look for thirty seconds and it's oh, it's
<v Speaker 2>a new ad space for Call of Duty. It's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>they just added a third one of those okay, more ads.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the.
<v Speaker 3>Roach Alli x and the rose Ally to me, is
<v Speaker 3>Xbox throwing good money after bad again.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I mean they're just why why are they connect?
<v Speaker 1>Like a connect sort of thing, like chasing a trend?
<v Speaker 1>Is that what you're kind of getting that they wanted.
<v Speaker 3>To make a dedicated handheld because they saw the popularity
<v Speaker 3>of the Steam Deck and the switch. I expect this
<v Speaker 3>is me speculating, and they went, okay, let's make our own.
<v Speaker 3>And then they said, oh, this is kind of expensive.
<v Speaker 3>Well let's just make a partnership with with rose Ally.
<v Speaker 3>Which fine, here's an idea, Xbox just put game Pass
<v Speaker 3>on Steam. Geez, why does it have to be separate? Okay,
<v Speaker 3>it's not a strong enough brand to stand on its own.
<v Speaker 3>Put on the Steam deck ol ed, and then we
<v Speaker 3>can have both be peanut Butter and Jelly, and I
<v Speaker 3>would actually be more inclined to continue to subscribe to
<v Speaker 3>your service as it is Xbox game passes in this
<v Speaker 3>kind of it's over here for me, it's not actually
<v Speaker 3>that easily accessible. Even though everything is an Xbox. I
<v Speaker 3>can play it on my x I can guess I
<v Speaker 3>can play it on my PC. But this to me
<v Speaker 3>is just kind of needlessly making it actually kind of
<v Speaker 3>really difficult to get to their service. And if they
<v Speaker 3>want to drive subscriptions and growth, they should put they
<v Speaker 3>should actually put it where the people are and the
<v Speaker 3>people on Steam.
<v Speaker 1>That's all.
<v Speaker 2>When when EA, I can't remember the name of their
<v Speaker 2>subscription service was EA Live, Who the hell those? When
<v Speaker 2>that came to Steam, there was it was a kind
<v Speaker 2>of a circular thing where EA wanted it on Steam
<v Speaker 2>and Valve was like, well, we want Apex Legends on Steam,
<v Speaker 2>so if you bring Apex Legends free to play onto Steam,
<v Speaker 2>then we will let you do your EA subscription service.
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if it's like for Valve, they're like, well,
<v Speaker 2>we already get all the Xbox games. So we're not
<v Speaker 2>going to try to make We're not going to make
<v Speaker 2>it easier for Microsoft to put a game pass on here.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, Microsoft and Valve are still pretty close partners,
<v Speaker 2>like they did.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I wonder if they just had it.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's that there have been a lot of
<v Speaker 3>rumors that the new Xbox is going to be very
<v Speaker 3>strongly connected to Steam in some way exactly, so you're going, okay,
<v Speaker 3>if that's the case, so why can't you get game
<v Speaker 3>pass onto the Steam deck? Oled what's going on here?
<v Speaker 2>You know what, maybe that is what happens here, is
<v Speaker 2>a new xboun Xbox launches with Steam and then suddenly
<v Speaker 2>game passes available on Steam. I wouldn't be surprised if
<v Speaker 2>that's how this plays out. But whatever, that's that's them
<v Speaker 2>figuring out their problems as far as handheld goes.
<v Speaker 1>I think that it is weird that I get it,
<v Speaker 1>but it's weird that.
<v Speaker 2>The price is significantly more than the recently increased in
<v Speaker 2>price Xbox Series X.
<v Speaker 1>And of course I get it like this.
<v Speaker 2>You know, miniaturizing technology is a very expensive thing to do,
<v Speaker 2>But you're right, that's not I don't care about that.
<v Speaker 2>That's their problem. So that I want a Cadillac. I
<v Speaker 2>want the premium experience. When I picked this thing up,
<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to like hold this thing back
<v Speaker 2>a little bit because it's gonna have to have some sacrifices.
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, or yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Get into a Cadillac experience.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, the analog pocket that she's holding there, yes.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, uh for the all you audio people, analog pocket,
<v Speaker 3>that's the Cadillac experience. Just by one of those.
<v Speaker 2>All right, and thanks to the super chats for boat night.
<v Speaker 2>They should let me watch cable TV on my Xbox?
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever? Do you ever do that? I never
<v Speaker 1>had cable the.
<v Speaker 2>Entire time I had an Xbox one. Also, Ricky B said,
<v Speaker 2>Pepo shouts out to Ricky B.
<v Speaker 1>Thanks.
<v Speaker 3>You know when the Xbox one was announced, that was
<v Speaker 3>like two months after the first Netflix streaming show.
<v Speaker 1>Came out, That's right, And I.
<v Speaker 3>Remember thinking in twenty thirty, oh, wow, they're building this
<v Speaker 3>around cable. Cable's already on the way out. What are
<v Speaker 3>they doing?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>That was importing of the future.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they were like there was the rumors.
<v Speaker 2>I think the pactor I think was like they're going
<v Speaker 2>to start selling these as cable boxes at your cable company,
<v Speaker 2>and when you order cable you're just going to get
<v Speaker 2>an Xbox one. It's like that never happened because of
<v Speaker 2>course no one actually cared.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>All right, so thousand dollars from an Xbox rog allyx
<v Speaker 2>we'll see, you know. I think there's that people in
<v Speaker 2>that audience probably will show up for that, but they
<v Speaker 2>kind of show up for everything Xbox. I don't think
<v Speaker 2>this thing is going to break containment all that much,
<v Speaker 2>at least not at that price.
<v Speaker 1>All right.
<v Speaker 2>EA backed car culture site winds down as Need for
<v Speaker 2>Speed has been shelved.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Andy Robinson at VGC.
<v Speaker 2>EA backed car culture site speed Hunter says it's winding
<v Speaker 2>down operations after the publisher allegedly decided to shelve.
<v Speaker 1>Its Need for Speed series.
<v Speaker 2>That's according to photojournalists and longtime contributor Matthew Evernham, who
<v Speaker 2>posted on Instagram that the site was on ice some
<v Speaker 2>seventeen years after it was founded. Speed Hunters is on ice.
<v Speaker 2>EA shelved Need for Speed and that means no more
<v Speaker 2>funding for the site. He wrote, Grateful for everything, the trips,
<v Speaker 2>the stories, the lifelong mates, Speed Hunters hasn't been updated
<v Speaker 2>for several months, and its social media accounts were recently
<v Speaker 2>updated with blackout profile pictures. Its store is also offline. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so first of all, I didn't know anything about this website.
<v Speaker 2>It's weird that they were back in the website, but
<v Speaker 2>also that's a shame.
<v Speaker 1>It sounded like a pretty cool thing.
<v Speaker 2>It also like makes some sense in hindsight because kat
<v Speaker 2>I would like, do reporting or do a story on
<v Speaker 2>Need for Speed, and every time I would do that,
<v Speaker 2>I would get contacted by like three or four Need
<v Speaker 2>for Speed dedicated to YouTubers would be like, do you.
<v Speaker 1>Have any more information about this? I'm like, how are
<v Speaker 1>there so many of you?
<v Speaker 2>And then I realized, oh, there is a massive community
<v Speaker 2>of players that just always show up for Need for Speed.
<v Speaker 2>It is the one sort of like bastion for that
<v Speaker 2>audience in traditional you know, console gaming, where it's like
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go and spend sixty dollars on a
<v Speaker 2>game and I'm going to get the new Need for
<v Speaker 2>Speed and that's good. I'm going to play that for
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years and that's all I'm going to play.
<v Speaker 2>I think it is a sign that companies like EA
<v Speaker 2>are done with those kinds of you know, niche audiences
<v Speaker 2>that are pretty sizable. They're like a casual, mainstream audience,
<v Speaker 2>but they're not interested in going after them in console
<v Speaker 2>gaming anymore. If they're going to do that, they are
<v Speaker 2>fully kind of probably turning back toward mobile would be.
<v Speaker 2>My guess is that how you read the situation.
<v Speaker 3>Like like Xbox, I think E has a lot to
<v Speaker 3>answer for, and number one is the incalculable damage that
<v Speaker 3>they've done to the games industry and the history of
<v Speaker 3>the games industry and the games within the games industry.
<v Speaker 3>And I speak as someone who's played almost every major
<v Speaker 3>EA franchise over the years, who played was very into BioWare,
<v Speaker 3>who was in fact, very into Need for Speed ten
<v Speaker 3>years ago, because I was really into Burnout Paradise and
<v Speaker 3>Battlefield and many others. And EA has shown, especially recently,
<v Speaker 3>that they just do not care. They do not care
<v Speaker 3>at all about anything that isn't going to make them
<v Speaker 3>a billion dollars, and so everything has been pivoted to Battlefield.
<v Speaker 3>That's their big bet, and that includes Criterion, a very
<v Speaker 3>good game studio. I might add Criterion. I heard a
<v Speaker 3>great story about Criterion Battlefront two has been in the news.
<v Speaker 3>Criterion worked on the vehicle section, which, by the way,
<v Speaker 3>incredible if you ever played play Starfighter Assault so good
<v Speaker 3>peak Chef's Kiss, and apparently the leadership went and visited
<v Speaker 3>Criteria while that game was in development to go see
<v Speaker 3>the progress on the vehicle section. They're like, we're done.
<v Speaker 3>They're like, you're done. We're done. Here it is and
<v Speaker 3>it's played phenomenally, really polished, really excellent stuff. And then went, oh, okay, cool,
<v Speaker 3>because Criterion is high quality studio for Speed is a
<v Speaker 3>very efficient need for Speed, venerable franchise within the driving community. Huge, huge, huge,
<v Speaker 3>huge name, and it's going to go on the Big
<v Speaker 3>Dragon's Hoarde of Dead eyep along with Ultima.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's I mean even like Burnout right and
<v Speaker 2>sim City.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was some code Masters you have.
<v Speaker 3>To be to not be able to make sim City
<v Speaker 3>a billion dollar.
<v Speaker 1>Franch Yeah, it is. It's bizarre. Yeah, it's the kind
<v Speaker 1>of thing where.
<v Speaker 2>EA's notorious for this, but it's like even like when
<v Speaker 2>you like just funnel it down to like, okay, this
<v Speaker 2>vertical of racing games. They bought code Masters a couple
<v Speaker 2>of years ago and they were like, hey, we're gonna
<v Speaker 2>make all these other ones with some rally racing games
<v Speaker 2>and all this stuff, and slowly they've been like.
<v Speaker 3>A code Masters makes me furious. They bought a healthy
<v Speaker 3>studio and this is the result. Give me a break.
<v Speaker 2>And like, after like a couple of years too, it
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even like, well, we've done three of those racing
<v Speaker 2>games in that series and there's like the trend lines
<v Speaker 2>going down, so we see the writing on the wall.
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't even like that, which is also just not.
<v Speaker 2>A fair thing because it's like, well, we know why,
<v Speaker 2>because you're investing less in these games time after time,
<v Speaker 2>we know why the trend line goes down. But it
<v Speaker 2>was just like a couple of years, like two years
<v Speaker 2>or something like that that and maybe not even it
<v Speaker 2>was really wild to see that, and then like I'm
<v Speaker 2>just okay, I held out hope for Burnout. Hey maybe
<v Speaker 2>Burnout can come back, and I'm like, oh, Criterion is
<v Speaker 2>and Ghost Games making it. Yeah, yeah, just all this
<v Speaker 2>stuff right ea big anything like that, like NBA Volume
<v Speaker 2>two could come back. Oh there's no hope for any
<v Speaker 2>of that. If there's no hope for Need for Speed,
<v Speaker 2>why I should not be getting my hopes up for
<v Speaker 2>anything else because Need for.
<v Speaker 4>Speed sports games a sports game, and it sold a way.
<v Speaker 3>Ya can't make Need for Speed a driving game. The
<v Speaker 3>biggest thing going are you kidding me?
<v Speaker 1>Right? Wow?
<v Speaker 2>And that's the audience that they have been able to
<v Speaker 2>successfully monetize with Ultimate team modes and opening card packs
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. I think it's a similar audience
<v Speaker 2>that plays Need for Speed at least again on that
<v Speaker 2>wide casual audience, and they probably tried to Maybe they
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't figure it out, or maybe that audience was
<v Speaker 2>like more ready to reject that stuff, or maybe that
<v Speaker 2>audience has, like I know, there's a lot of mobile
<v Speaker 2>games that have a similar sort of structure to them.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're already playing there and they couldn't get to
<v Speaker 2>play on console.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they have all the character of a hotel lobby.
<v Speaker 3>They're a corporate meeting room, and it has this this
<v Speaker 3>culture which comes from the top, has a flattening effect
<v Speaker 3>on everything they do. It makes it so that people
<v Speaker 3>who are very passionate, and there are a lot of
<v Speaker 3>very passionate people attached to Need for Speed. There's a
<v Speaker 3>lot of very passionate people attached to BioWare who are
<v Speaker 3>forced into a particular corner, a particular hole and cannot
<v Speaker 3>do their best work, and so you always go, why
<v Speaker 3>aren't EA? Why are games all? Kind of it's because
<v Speaker 3>of that, it's the culture of the company, and the
<v Speaker 3>result is EA is going to die now or Need
<v Speaker 3>for Speed is going to die now, and that's a shame.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, and it's uh, it is like weird to compare
<v Speaker 2>and contrast EA take two because I'm like Take two
<v Speaker 2>also doesn't have a characteristics. They don't have something that
<v Speaker 2>stands like I don't I'm not a Take two fan.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know any Take two fans. I also don't
<v Speaker 2>know any EA fans. That's not a thing. But Take
<v Speaker 2>two is like even like for strass Zelnik who does
<v Speaker 2>not like admittedly doesn't play games, and that does, you know,
<v Speaker 2>in a kind of an animalistic level, rub me the
<v Speaker 2>wrong way when I hear that, because he's like, well,
<v Speaker 2>I read books and I watch movies and listen to music,
<v Speaker 2>but I.
<v Speaker 1>Don't play games.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, but he has found a way to
<v Speaker 2>like stand off to the side, would Take two and
<v Speaker 2>let the rock stars and I guess even like gearboxes
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, and the and the sports studios
<v Speaker 2>kind of be their own brands in a way that
<v Speaker 2>does not happen at EA. That stuff does get whittled down,
<v Speaker 2>BioWare does get subsumed by EA's culture, which is a
<v Speaker 2>lack of culture. And so yeah, I don't really know
<v Speaker 2>what the difference is there, but it's it is noticeable
<v Speaker 2>at the very least.
<v Speaker 1>All Right, last couple stories here.
<v Speaker 2>Halo Championship Edition remake will get Championship Edition Combat Edition.
<v Speaker 2>Halo Championship Edition is long overdue. I'm sorry, I cce
<v Speaker 2>and my brain mainly goes to street fighter. Halo Combat
<v Speaker 2>Evolved remake will only feature a campaign mode. It is
<v Speaker 2>claimed this is from Sam Sepiol at Insider Gaming. What yeah,
<v Speaker 2>this thing is? I don't really This doesn't make any
<v Speaker 2>sense to me that a Halo game wouldn't have any
<v Speaker 2>multiplayer of campaign mode only even if like master Chief
<v Speaker 2>Collection does exist. What is the point of any of
<v Speaker 2>this without the multiplayer?
<v Speaker 3>I don't Oh my gosh, I mean that that company
<v Speaker 3>is a mess. What do they call to get? What
<v Speaker 3>are they called now?
<v Speaker 4>They used to be three four three they reading, yes,
<v Speaker 4>like Halo Studios or something like that maybe it says
<v Speaker 4>the story. There's a rumor out there that came out
<v Speaker 4>following the layoffs that shocking surprise. Everybody at Halo Studios
<v Speaker 4>is really unhappy with the state of the next Halo game.
<v Speaker 4>And I saw somebody going, yeah, well, Halo is Xbox's
<v Speaker 4>flagship franchise after all, I mean, what is your fragship,
<v Speaker 4>flagship franchise, flagship franchise, what was your flagship franchise? Say
<v Speaker 4>about you as a company? Nintendo has Mario and Zelda.
<v Speaker 3>PlayStation has The Last of Us and Spider Man, I guess,
<v Speaker 3>and Xbox has Halo and uh just Halo just this
<v Speaker 3>absolute state of it. Wow, we what's happened to? Those games?
<v Speaker 3>Just cannot get it right? And the the the Xbox
<v Speaker 3>series X has been a disaster for Xbox. They wanted
<v Speaker 3>to set themselves up for the next ten to twenty
<v Speaker 3>years with this thing, and Halo Infinite was the starting point,
<v Speaker 3>and we saw what happened with it. It's just not
<v Speaker 3>good enough.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>I like Halo Infandite a lot, but it did not
<v Speaker 2>check the boxes it needed to check. And now it
<v Speaker 2>just feels like the rest of Xbox where they they
<v Speaker 2>know they want to keep doing stuff, but what that
<v Speaker 2>stuff exactly is, they're not sure and so and they
<v Speaker 2>half asked.
<v Speaker 1>Some of the stuff.
<v Speaker 2>It feels like the console certainly feels that way now,
<v Speaker 2>and now even the Halo franchise feels that way. If
<v Speaker 2>this is the way it's going to go down. I
<v Speaker 2>get when you're sitting there looking at it and be like,
<v Speaker 2>we don't need to replace.
<v Speaker 1>Master Chief collection.
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make sense, but okay, then actually just don't
<v Speaker 2>do anything with Halo Combat evolved at that point.
<v Speaker 3>Its chronic mismanagement of their entire studio system. And again
<v Speaker 3>that starts at the top. I lay that squarely at
<v Speaker 3>the feet of the executive team. They've had years to
<v Speaker 3>get this right, and it feels.
<v Speaker 1>Didn't really change anything the entire time. The strategy was always.
<v Speaker 2>Phil saying to Matt Booty, go go handle things, and
<v Speaker 2>then mat Booty going to the studios and be like,
<v Speaker 2>make what you want to make, and then years later
<v Speaker 2>the teams bringing what they made back and no one
<v Speaker 2>being happy with it, So what what the hell?
<v Speaker 1>Then? All right?
<v Speaker 2>And then last story here, a new Stuntman game is
<v Speaker 2>potentially in the works. There was a YouTuber who found
<v Speaker 2>a basically an IP like like transfer, I guess is
<v Speaker 2>what I would how I would refer to it. On
<v Speaker 2>March twenty eighth, twenty twenty four, an asset assignment was
<v Speaker 2>signed between THHQ Nordic and Saber Interactive, transferring the Stuntman IP,
<v Speaker 2>including previous games like Stuntman Ignition, and explicitly mentioning a
<v Speaker 2>new entry, Stuntman Hollywood, currently in development by Saber, or
<v Speaker 2>at least that was what was happening at the time.
<v Speaker 2>This assignment was officially recorded on April second, shortly after
<v Speaker 2>Saber's public split from Embracer. Saber took just about everything
<v Speaker 2>else with them, so it seems to stand a reason
<v Speaker 2>that maybe this went along with them as well. I
<v Speaker 2>like the Stuntman games, specifically Cat the Stuntman for Game
<v Speaker 2>Boy Advance with its like faux three D graphics. Is
<v Speaker 2>when I go back to all the time, it's what
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the games I tested on the Analog Pocket.
<v Speaker 2>It was like, how good is the Analog Pocket really?
<v Speaker 2>And I got Stuntman out It looked really sharp on there.
<v Speaker 2>I these are decent games. I would like to see
<v Speaker 2>Stuntman come back, although it's a weird one, although Saber's.
<v Speaker 1>Good at that kind of weird stuff. So I don't
<v Speaker 1>know any love for Stuntman from you.
<v Speaker 3>I've never played this game, and actually this is the
<v Speaker 3>first time I've heard of it.
<v Speaker 2>So go play the game Boy Advance one. That's all
<v Speaker 2>you need. It's like, I'm still wanting to get those
<v Speaker 2>weird three D game Boy Advance games.
<v Speaker 3>There's like more weird games.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly.
<v Speaker 2>This is the kind of thing where I'm like, I
<v Speaker 2>could see this just coming out at fifty dollars and
<v Speaker 2>doing surprisingly well.
<v Speaker 1>And if that's gonna be Sabers bread and butter, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>go for it.
<v Speaker 3>Good streaming content, right, Yeah, that's like my first thought
<v Speaker 3>right there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right.
<v Speaker 2>Then they could really lean into that side of things
<v Speaker 2>of it being secretly really silly and kind of fun
<v Speaker 2>to watch. All right, that does it for the headlines.
<v Speaker 2>We have some whole questions we're going to get too.
<v Speaker 2>Let's go ahead and I'm leve me refresh this here,
<v Speaker 2>all right? So did we do this one? Are you
<v Speaker 2>concerned about all about used to switch one games?
<v Speaker 1>All right? Yeah, there we go.
<v Speaker 2>So last week we talked about some used games causing
<v Speaker 2>a switch to to get get bricked by Nintendo because
<v Speaker 2>they were games that had also been captured and put online,
<v Speaker 2>and Nintendo's like, okay, well you're using those games that
<v Speaker 2>you illegally downloaded, but they were the actual use games,
<v Speaker 2>So there was maybe a chilling effect that could happen
<v Speaker 2>to the use games market. Seventy seven percent of people
<v Speaker 2>said they're not worried about that, but twenty three percent
<v Speaker 2>said they had They are concerned about buying used games
<v Speaker 2>on Switch one games. Now, that's going to be this
<v Speaker 2>audience that listen to that show, But still I think
<v Speaker 2>that's something Nintendo should keep an eye on. And then
<v Speaker 2>let's see here. We also did not answer this one.
<v Speaker 2>Do you want modelist Seft's next game to be a
<v Speaker 2>Xeno Blade game?
<v Speaker 1>Yes?
<v Speaker 3>Or no?
<v Speaker 1>I'm I personally am gonna say no.
<v Speaker 2>I want them to try something different, although I'm not
<v Speaker 2>going to be mad if they make another Zeno Blade game.
<v Speaker 2>Sixty four percent said no, and thirty six percent do
<v Speaker 2>want another Xeno Blade game.
<v Speaker 1>How about you, a host of Acts of the Blood God.
<v Speaker 3>I'm less of a fan of Zeno Blade than Nadia
<v Speaker 3>and Eric, my co hosts, are, right, I think I'll
<v Speaker 3>say this Monolisoft secretly one of the technological engines and
<v Speaker 3>drivers behind Nintendo. They had a very large hand and
<v Speaker 3>Tiers of the Kingdom, among other things. And I think
<v Speaker 3>that the Xeno Blade games have gotten better with each
<v Speaker 3>successive iteration, and I would actually be very excited to
<v Speaker 3>see where they took it the series next with Zeno
<v Speaker 3>Blade Chronicles four, and the audience behind it keeps growing.
<v Speaker 3>I think it took another leap was unably Chronicle three.
<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna say, yes, let's see what you got
<v Speaker 3>on the Switch too. I bet it's actually going to
<v Speaker 3>be a pretty cool looking game, very lovely double a
<v Speaker 3>h R RPG for sure. For the Switch to.
<v Speaker 2>Sean has posted in a super chat here a patent
<v Speaker 2>that does refer to the Nintendo Switch game cards as
<v Speaker 2>a cartridge here in the patent. So that's me a
<v Speaker 2>losing point for me here in this battle.
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, see, I'm not giving up though, not giving up.
<v Speaker 1>All right. We have a new poll question we'll get
<v Speaker 1>to here in a second.
<v Speaker 2>Before we do that, though, Cat Bailey, why don't you
<v Speaker 2>tell people where they can find you on the internet
<v Speaker 2>what you have going on?
<v Speaker 1>All that good stuff?
<v Speaker 3>Hey, you can find me at me on Blue Sky,
<v Speaker 3>at Cat Bailey at blue Sky. Socially, you can find
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<v Speaker 3>And I have a newscats dot beehive that's spell b
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Thank you so much. New poll question.
<v Speaker 2>Are you getting Donkey Kong Bonanza?
<v Speaker 1>Yes or no?
<v Speaker 2>Just kind of want to see the results. If you
<v Speaker 2>don't have a switch to you can just vote know
<v Speaker 2>that would still count. That's the same thing.
<v Speaker 1>We'll get the results of that.
<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about it on game Mes Mornings here on
<v Speaker 2>Giant Bomb on Wednesday, speaking to Giant Bomb, we might
<v Speaker 2>I think we're planning to do maybe a test stream today.
<v Speaker 2>Mike is out on assignment and so we're not gonna
<v Speaker 2>be having Monday Mornings missed with Mitch, So instead we
<v Speaker 2>might try to test some stuff out. Whether or not
<v Speaker 2>that goes up live or not, we'll figure it out
<v Speaker 2>on the fly. But if you see us and it
<v Speaker 2>says test stream, you'll you'll know what's going on tomorrow BombCast,
<v Speaker 2>and then we'll be back with Game mess Mornings on Wednesday,
<v Speaker 2>and then a bunch of other fun stuff which we're
<v Speaker 2>going to figure out here in our meeting here pretty soon.
<v Speaker 2>All right, in the meantime, I think that's gonna do it.
<v Speaker 2>Cat Bailey, thank you so much for hanging out with
<v Speaker 2>me today and talking about video games. I really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Jeff, thank you all for listening and watching. You're
<v Speaker 2>the best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a
<v Speaker 2>good one, take care of yourself and goodbye.
<v Speaker 3>You'll be never go to bed.