Debunking Charlatans & Posers with Professor Dave Explains

<v Speaker 1>Hello, Welcome to the crime page What Bonni Doesn't Podcast.
<v Speaker 1>Today I have Dave Farina, I mean Professor Dave everybody
<v Speaker 1>who is a science educator, YouTuber and man. I am
<v Speaker 1>so excited to have you here because I've been binging
<v Speaker 1>your videos.
<v Speaker 2>Hello Dave, Hi, how's it going?
<v Speaker 3>Happy to be here?
<v Speaker 2>Okay?
<v Speaker 3>Man?
<v Speaker 1>So for anybody who may not be familiar with you,
<v Speaker 1>explain who you are and what you do.
<v Speaker 2>We'll just start off right there.
<v Speaker 3>Sure. My name is Dave Farina. I'm a science communicator,
<v Speaker 3>full time science communicator. I focus mainly on a YouTube
<v Speaker 3>channel called Professor Dave Explains. I also give talks and
<v Speaker 3>I wrote a book and things like that, but YouTube
<v Speaker 3>definitely occupies most of my attention. I studied chemistry, so
<v Speaker 3>when I started making tutorials, it was predominantly chemistry tutorials,
<v Speaker 3>so general chemistry, organic chemistry. This is for high school
<v Speaker 3>and undergraduate students to help them past their classes. I also,
<v Speaker 3>for my chemistry degree, had to study a little bit physics,
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of math, some other things. So I
<v Speaker 3>eventually broadened the scope of the channel to include other
<v Speaker 3>things that I've studied in like an introductory capacity. But
<v Speaker 3>I've been doing this for almost ten years, so it's
<v Speaker 3>really broadened quite a bit as of late, and I'm
<v Speaker 3>covering you know, thirty plus topics and just really going forward.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah. I was looking through
<v Speaker 1>your videos. You've got everything from videos on human evolution,
<v Speaker 1>immune response, the evolution of centipedes. I mean really, like,
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty fucking wild, that's really. I mean, it's just
<v Speaker 1>that you just seem interested in everything and really good
<v Speaker 1>at explaining everything. Everything you covered two people who don't
<v Speaker 1>know about you, who are just curious, and so I guess,
<v Speaker 1>how did you get into this stuff? Like what made
<v Speaker 1>you first want to create educational content and put.
<v Speaker 2>It out for the world to see.
<v Speaker 3>Well, so, I'm a musician and I never really intended
<v Speaker 3>to do anything but music. Throughout my twenties, I was
<v Speaker 3>playing in a bunch of bands, and then I was
<v Speaker 3>in one band that was doing pretty well. We were
<v Speaker 3>you know, signed and touring and everything, and we were
<v Speaker 3>on the road a lot, and we were just talking
<v Speaker 3>in the van one day, like, look, we all need
<v Speaker 3>to figure out some passive income because the tours are
<v Speaker 3>doing pretty well and paying for all band expenses. But
<v Speaker 3>we were not taking home money. So we were having
<v Speaker 3>a hard time paying rent because you can't have a
<v Speaker 3>regular job. You got to go on the road all
<v Speaker 3>the time. So we all had our little ideas of
<v Speaker 3>how to make passive income. Mine was, I think I'll
<v Speaker 3>start a YouTube channel. And this was twenty fourteen when
<v Speaker 3>I came up with the idea, so YouTube was certainly known.
<v Speaker 3>You know, everybody knew what YouTube was, but it wasn't
<v Speaker 3>so saturated now, especially now with academic content. And I
<v Speaker 3>used to teach organic chemistry and so I thought, well,
<v Speaker 3>let me take my organic chemistry lectures. I'll deliver them
<v Speaker 3>to camera and put them online. And there was very
<v Speaker 3>little Oka content at the time. So I thought that
<v Speaker 3>maybe this will do well because I think I explained
<v Speaker 3>this stuff very well and they were received very well. Okim.
<v Speaker 3>Students were very grateful and.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we got disconnected from it. Okay, yeah, so start
<v Speaker 1>up again, you're saying, okay, oh, okim. Students were very grateful.
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, okay. Students were grateful for the for the
<v Speaker 3>tutorials they put up there and encouraged me to do more.
<v Speaker 3>So I started doing general chemistry in front of a
<v Speaker 3>green screen with animations and everything, and eventually the band
<v Speaker 3>didn't really work out, but the channel had some momentum,
<v Speaker 3>so I just completely.
<v Speaker 4>Pivoted and it's like, okay, this is this is.
<v Speaker 3>The A plan now and really really went all in
<v Speaker 3>just I wanted to see what I could do with it.
<v Speaker 3>And here we are, years and years, years and years later.
<v Speaker 1>But you, I mean, you seem to really enjoy teaching too.
<v Speaker 1>Like I picked up a gig. I'm just teaching General
<v Speaker 1>Botney for the semester. I don't I have no intention
<v Speaker 1>of doing it full time, but uh and I but
<v Speaker 1>I enjoy it like I enjoy lecturing. I enjoy like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like prodding students, being like okay, you seem
<v Speaker 1>lost not saying anything. Don't be afraid of asking questions.
<v Speaker 1>We're all we're all full of shit to some extent.
<v Speaker 1>We're all trying to, you know, stand up here and
<v Speaker 1>not look stupid. I just want you to understand this.
<v Speaker 1>Don't worry about what other people think of you. Ask,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like, don't just memorize the material. Ask because
<v Speaker 1>that's the worst thing I think that the American education
<v Speaker 1>system teaches us is just sit there, just memorize it.
<v Speaker 1>But I don't really understand. It doesn't matter, just memorize
<v Speaker 1>it so you can pass the test. But you, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>the stuff you teach, it's all over the place, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>and it's really interesting. It's really interesting. Shit, it's like
<v Speaker 1>that stuff that what's his face called the magic of reality,
<v Speaker 1>you know, the like really like fun stuff to learn,
<v Speaker 1>you have to enjoy it to an extent too, obviously.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I I enjoyed lecturing. I mean, like you,
<v Speaker 3>I was very much a person, you know, I encouraged questions.
<v Speaker 3>You know, if you don't understand, don't just stare blankly,
<v Speaker 3>ask a question. Let's go on the same page. I
<v Speaker 3>enjoy teaching willing participants. I mean, so I used to
<v Speaker 3>teach organic chemistry out of Trade University. So these were
<v Speaker 3>adult learners that were pivoting in like their you know,
<v Speaker 3>their career, and so they were very grateful. They needed
<v Speaker 3>prerequisite courses to apply to like some medical program or something.
<v Speaker 3>So they were eager learners, and they were very grateful
<v Speaker 3>when when somebody could explain something, well, So I really
<v Speaker 3>liked that. Other than that, I mean, I've also taught
<v Speaker 3>in high school settings and things, and there's a lot
<v Speaker 3>of bad teaching jobs. But the doing this online is
<v Speaker 3>totally different because you know, I'm just here making my
<v Speaker 3>content and then people all over the world can interface
<v Speaker 3>with it, and then I get feedback in the comments
<v Speaker 3>and things, and so I have a much wider audience.
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot more people. I wasn't really necessarily aware
<v Speaker 3>that people in underdeveloped nations would be watching that are
<v Speaker 3>really really desperate for resources, and so they would be
<v Speaker 3>extremely thankful for you know, really good math tutorials or
<v Speaker 3>chemistry tutorials or something. And so yeah, I definitely got
<v Speaker 3>hooked and just am on a quest now to cover
<v Speaker 3>truly all human knowledg. Put it all in the channel.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 1>That's fucking though, That's really cool. I mean, really, what
<v Speaker 1>you're doing is a it's a service. It's a service
<v Speaker 1>to it's just so many people, and I just and
<v Speaker 1>it's a service. I mean, even just me selfishly, I
<v Speaker 1>want to live in a world with fewer ignoramuses. I
<v Speaker 1>do that that having fewer ignoramuses around, because everyone's kind
<v Speaker 1>of got the potential, well most people, they just don't
<v Speaker 1>spend it or use it or learn how to exercise
<v Speaker 1>their brains. But to live in a world with fewer ignoramuses, fewer,
<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better word, morons. It improves the
<v Speaker 1>quality of your life. It does in multiple ways. And
<v Speaker 1>so man, yeah, I just I want to thank you
<v Speaker 1>for that because it's pretty cool. So, but how do
<v Speaker 1>you how do you get in? I mean, I can't.
<v Speaker 1>I have trouble focusing on two things at once. How
<v Speaker 1>do you how do you focus on all these different subjects?
<v Speaker 1>Do you just read about them and go go deep
<v Speaker 1>and then write an outline for a video or how
<v Speaker 1>do you do it?
<v Speaker 3>Well?
<v Speaker 5>I mean, so topics that are within my expertise.
<v Speaker 3>I know them, or I have textbooks that I can
<v Speaker 3>reference for after having gone broad enough. Though, now I
<v Speaker 3>hire writers, so I mean with geology and anthropology and
<v Speaker 3>ecology and things that I didn't study. That's not me
<v Speaker 3>writing the scripts. I hire either PhD holders or PhD
<v Speaker 3>candidates in those fields. They write me to scripts. So
<v Speaker 3>it's cool because I kind of get paid to learn,
<v Speaker 3>because when I'm writing anthropology tutorials or zoology tutorials or
<v Speaker 3>whatever it is, this is new information for me, and
<v Speaker 3>so I kind of I have to learn it and
<v Speaker 3>then I have to understand it well enough to explain
<v Speaker 3>it and both verbally and visually, and so it kind
<v Speaker 3>of has this aura of fresh knowledge in certain things,
<v Speaker 3>especially the more complicated stuff like I did some very
<v Speaker 3>rigorous quantum quantum mechanics tutorials is because a physicist wrote
<v Speaker 3>them for me. I didn't study I mean, I took
<v Speaker 3>quantum chemist. That that's not the same, uh, And so
<v Speaker 3>it kind of has this aura of like the kid
<v Speaker 3>in class who got it just a little bit faster
<v Speaker 3>than you and is now explaining it to you. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>because I just learned it as I was making the tutorial.
<v Speaker 3>So it has all these moments of like the little
<v Speaker 3>light bulb moment that I just had, I included it
<v Speaker 3>in the video or yeah, and this is look at
<v Speaker 3>you know. So there's certain things. And then on you know,
<v Speaker 3>on the flip side, my organic chemistry tutorials are are
<v Speaker 3>I think are the best on YouTube because that is
<v Speaker 3>what I really truly know. And uh and I honed
<v Speaker 3>those lectures over four years of teaching. So but and
<v Speaker 3>and then everything in between. You know, there's a lot
<v Speaker 3>of different topics, a lot of different writers.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, teaching is definitely that's not
<v Speaker 1>the cool thing about teaching is it's definitely a good
<v Speaker 1>way to learn too, because I mean, you're asking, like me,
<v Speaker 1>if I'm putting a presentation together, I'm asking questions about
<v Speaker 1>the stuff I'm learning. And that's that's how you truly learn.
<v Speaker 1>It's not just reading something out of a book. It's
<v Speaker 1>thinking about it and then you know ingesting it mentally
<v Speaker 1>and being like, wait, how does this then work? And
<v Speaker 1>then looking it up and figuring it out, and then
<v Speaker 1>kind of building putting the bigger picture together figuratively speaking
<v Speaker 1>that way. But yeah, man, well, I guess the thing
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you too, because the main all
<v Speaker 1>the educational content I didn't even know about. I first
<v Speaker 1>found your videos because it was I think it was debunking.
<v Speaker 1>I mean I found I think it was the Terrence
<v Speaker 1>Howard because Joe Rogan obviously he's got man. I can't
<v Speaker 1>listen to the dude that much anymore. I used to listen.
<v Speaker 1>I used to enjoy listening to him five or six
<v Speaker 1>years ago, and I would, you know, because he'd have
<v Speaker 1>interesting guests on and it would be just this long,
<v Speaker 1>kind of rambling conversation. I'd like that kind of format,
<v Speaker 1>just the casual conversation where they're all over the place.
<v Speaker 1>But he's had so many and you know, I don't
<v Speaker 1>care what someone's politics are in the long run, I
<v Speaker 1>just want them to be interested in plants and conservation.
<v Speaker 1>But I obviously, uh lean left, and he just kept
<v Speaker 1>having so many right wingers on to the point where
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, man, like, come on,
<v Speaker 1>like just people. Then I just can't take seriously, fucking
<v Speaker 1>Tucker Carlson all these like more than just like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>just come on, give him a chance listen to what
<v Speaker 1>they have to say. It was like, no, man, this
<v Speaker 1>dude's a fucking shit.
<v Speaker 2>I just can't.
<v Speaker 1>And so but I still listened to it once in
<v Speaker 1>a while to see if he's had a good guest,
<v Speaker 1>and like he had Paul rosal lyon, who I like,
<v Speaker 1>fellow Italian, you know, like doing a lot of Amazon conservation.
<v Speaker 2>And so like, I love Paul Rosalie's stuff. He's a good,
<v Speaker 2>good dude, you can tell.
<v Speaker 1>And but anyway, so but there was an there was
<v Speaker 1>an episode I think it was six months ago, who
<v Speaker 1>he had Terrence Howard on. I didn't know who Terrence
<v Speaker 1>Howard was. He was a he's an actor. I knew
<v Speaker 1>the face I didn't know the name, and uh, because
<v Speaker 1>I don't watch much movies, and so anyway, the fucking
<v Speaker 1>conversation just blew my mind. I was sitting there like
<v Speaker 1>putting together a fucking you know, particleboard, fucking bookshelf or something,
<v Speaker 1>and just like as I was like putting the screws
<v Speaker 1>in this part and this shit, I was like, oh
<v Speaker 1>my god, Like what is this dude talking about? This
<v Speaker 1>is insanity. I feel like I'm listening to like a
<v Speaker 1>homeless person on the street, no offense, you know, just
<v Speaker 1>ranting about ko. Because I used to talk to a
<v Speaker 1>lot of whinos back in the day. I used to
<v Speaker 1>paint graffiti. I'd be I was a little degenerate, you know,
<v Speaker 1>when I was like eighteen, I'd be talking to the
<v Speaker 1>whinos hanging out and the fucked up or whatever. And
<v Speaker 1>it really reminded me of that. Like it literally remind
<v Speaker 1>you engage somebody's like a like a crackhead or a
<v Speaker 1>whino on the street about shit and they just start
<v Speaker 1>going off on rants and you're like, oh okay, and
<v Speaker 1>you kind of and you know, you get what you
<v Speaker 1>can of it and enjoy talking to him for a while,
<v Speaker 1>and you realize they're kind of insane and you just
<v Speaker 1>you're there in the depths of some binge or whatever
<v Speaker 1>and you just kind of move on. But that's what
<v Speaker 1>this sounded like. And I was like, wait a minute,
<v Speaker 1>this dude's got a pine Like there's like millions of
<v Speaker 1>people listening to this like.
<v Speaker 2>This this guy is.
<v Speaker 1>Literally making people dumber. It's like that scene in that
<v Speaker 1>fucking Adam Sandler movie Billy Madison, when he's at the
<v Speaker 1>spelling being he's like, can you uh you know, he
<v Speaker 1>starts talking about the puppy who lost his way and
<v Speaker 1>all this shit, and then the speaker is like, every
<v Speaker 1>one in this room is now dumber for listening to
<v Speaker 1>what you just said. That's what I felt like when
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to this Terrence Howard episode. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>I just I couldn't fucking believe it. Like it depressed me.
<v Speaker 1>It was like, wow, we are really like sliding. Like
<v Speaker 1>this shit gets so much coverage, but most people can't
<v Speaker 1>even name what a native plant is around them. They
<v Speaker 1>know all these corporate logos Chick fil a, McDonald's, they
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the native flora, you know, what the
<v Speaker 1>native landscape around where their houses looked like one hundred
<v Speaker 1>years ago, like, we're fucked, man, And I just kind
<v Speaker 1>of laughed it off. But then I found your video
<v Speaker 1>debunking this, and I was like, oh my god. It
<v Speaker 1>was like this dude is just saying everything that I felt,
<v Speaker 1>and so eloquently and articulately so and then I realized
<v Speaker 1>this is a whole thing. I mean, you've got all
<v Speaker 1>these videos. You have all these videos debunking this stupefication
<v Speaker 1>of America, like shit that people like George Carlin talked
<v Speaker 1>about thirty years ago in their comedy skits, talking about
<v Speaker 1>how America is getting dumber, et cetera. How did you
<v Speaker 1>get into doing this? Because this is great? And I
<v Speaker 1>mentioned it to a friend too. I was like, man,
<v Speaker 1>I shared the video. He's like, oh yeah, Professor Dave's great.
<v Speaker 2>Man.
<v Speaker 1>I watch all his educational content, and I was like,
<v Speaker 1>you got educational content, how'd you get in how'd you
<v Speaker 1>get into the debunking all the anti science quackery out there?
<v Speaker 2>Right?
<v Speaker 3>So, around twenty nineteen or twenty twenty, I was releasing
<v Speaker 3>astronomy tutorials. So I had this nice astronomy series, you know,
<v Speaker 3>Astronomy one on one. I was really proud of, and
<v Speaker 3>I thought it would be fun to wrap up, you know,
<v Speaker 3>at the end, just include two little fun pieces, one
<v Speaker 3>on astrology and one on flat earth. You know, how
<v Speaker 3>astrology is not true and how we know the Earth
<v Speaker 3>isn't flat? Simply because I had heard that there are
<v Speaker 3>flat earthers. I didn't look up anything that they say
<v Speaker 3>or believe or nothing. I just made a video about
<v Speaker 3>how we know the Earth is this sphear and that
<v Speaker 3>got catapulted to the number one search result the flat
<v Speaker 3>earth keyword, like the day of. And so these flat
<v Speaker 3>earthers called the Globebusters took it and they were like,
<v Speaker 3>we're going to skewer it on our next show and
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna tear it apart.
<v Speaker 5>And they are super rude to me and everything.
<v Speaker 3>And uh, and I I had been making tutorials for
<v Speaker 3>about four or five years at that point I was
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't used to people talking about me on the internet.
<v Speaker 3>That was now I'm very used to it, but at
<v Speaker 3>the time, I was like, how dare they? And I was,
<v Speaker 3>you know, so I made a piece which is now
<v Speaker 3>the most viewed video on my entire channel by a lot.
<v Speaker 3>It's called the Response Response to the Globebusters, where I
<v Speaker 3>took their video attempting to debunk my video and just
<v Speaker 3>skewered them and just humiliated them. And I got such
<v Speaker 3>a positive response from that that I started doing a
<v Speaker 3>few more. I did a couple other flat earth debunks,
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, well, what else can I debunk?
<v Speaker 3>And so I started focusing on creationism and then electric
<v Speaker 3>universe and medical hoax stuff and uh oh. And now
<v Speaker 3>at this point that you know, four years later, I
<v Speaker 3>definitely have quite a quite a reputation here. I've been
<v Speaker 3>debunking for some time now and I have gotten pretty
<v Speaker 3>good at it. So Rogan guests are the new endless pools.
<v Speaker 1>He's gotta be Yeah, he's got to be getting paid
<v Speaker 1>by Russia or some ship I don't know, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like Tim Poole and all these these fucking right wingers
<v Speaker 1>are getting paid by by Russia. I came out the
<v Speaker 1>I mean, who the fuck. I just it's so hard
<v Speaker 1>to believe because he's just such a shill now for
<v Speaker 1>a certain political side, which is wild.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think. He's extremely credulous and conspiratorial, and he's
<v Speaker 3>kind of gone down a rabbit hole, and he has
<v Speaker 3>on guests that that that confirm the things that he
<v Speaker 3>wants to believe. I mean, I wouldn't have like it's like,
<v Speaker 3>it's the problem with Rogan is that his show has
<v Speaker 3>become a cesspool of Charlatan's.
<v Speaker 5>It wouldn't bother me as much as if for every
<v Speaker 5>figure he had on.
<v Speaker 3>That was a complete Arlton, he would have the equivalent
<v Speaker 3>on the opposite rides, right, really knowledgeable that would even
<v Speaker 3>specifically debunk what the other one said, and then and
<v Speaker 3>and if Joe would would go along with them to
<v Speaker 3>oh okay, well I didn't understand. I guess I fell
<v Speaker 3>for that. Thanks for setting the record, Stree. But he
<v Speaker 3>doesn't do that lately. For several years he's just had
<v Speaker 3>just these people, just these frauds, And it's a huge problem.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is, because then you get all these I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the average Joe Rogan listener too, is
<v Speaker 1>like a certain archetype. Like it's a certain you know,
<v Speaker 1>like there's a certain a certain type of dude, you know,
<v Speaker 1>because we're human primates, we're all kind of conformist by nature.
<v Speaker 1>That's what our social behavior dictates, you know. I think
<v Speaker 1>it's that's a genetic thing. For a lot of us,
<v Speaker 1>and then you meet the people who of course break
<v Speaker 1>out of that and that's pretty cool, like the true individuals.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, so I think he's got a lot
<v Speaker 1>of he's surrounded by psychophonts and he's got this whole
<v Speaker 1>cast of dudes of like dudes in their twine, these
<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan bros. Who just gobble up everything he says
<v Speaker 1>and don't really have the tools upstairs yet because they
<v Speaker 1>didn't go to school, it didn't they're not you know,
<v Speaker 1>they want to be liked whatever. Everybody wants to be liked, right,
<v Speaker 1>they don't have the tools upstairs to kind of like
<v Speaker 1>be like, wait a minute, this is bullshit. But I mean,
<v Speaker 1>that's what I love about your videos. It's because like
<v Speaker 1>people will I think it's great that what you do,
<v Speaker 1>because people will know, they'll sniff something and be like
<v Speaker 1>that kind of sounds like bullshit, but they don't have
<v Speaker 1>the ability or to know how on the subject matter
<v Speaker 1>to take it apart. And then they hear you take
<v Speaker 1>it apart and it's so fucking it's done so well,
<v Speaker 1>and it's put it's there's a little bit or or
<v Speaker 1>a lot in some cases of spice thrown in and
<v Speaker 1>it just I mean some of the creationists stuff. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>you debunk Muslim creationists, you debunk Christian creationists. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>and that's fucking great to hear, because I think as
<v Speaker 1>great as religion could be for some people, it also
<v Speaker 1>it's used, like it or not, it has been as
<v Speaker 1>a tool of suppression and repression, especially if intellect. And
<v Speaker 1>to hear this, I mean, it's it's crazy, man, I
<v Speaker 1>get the pressed. I look at Instagram posts some times
<v Speaker 1>about you know what was it? There was something about
<v Speaker 1>the electrical charge of flowers and how it attracts bees.
<v Speaker 1>It was a David Attenborough piece, I might be, you know,
<v Speaker 1>not paraphrasing it qrrectly and in the comments.
<v Speaker 2>It was just all this stuff.
<v Speaker 1>It was like, wow, you know, how can you know
<v Speaker 1>agnostics and atheists say God doesn't exist? It's like, wait,
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck you took that from this? Like do
<v Speaker 1>you know anything about Like this is my field now, man,
<v Speaker 1>this is what I study. I would never reach the
<v Speaker 1>conclusion that God exists, whatever your opinions on it the
<v Speaker 1>matter are from from learning this like this is this
<v Speaker 1>is and it makes me fucking depressed, Like it actually
<v Speaker 1>upsets me.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, I don't know. I guess that's I
<v Speaker 1>just love. That's why I love part of love what
<v Speaker 1>you do. Where did the the creationist stuff come from?
<v Speaker 1>And why is this still a thing? That's what I understand,
<v Speaker 1>Like why is it just religious adherents?
<v Speaker 2>Is it? Like?
<v Speaker 1>Why if you're religious, why do you think people think
<v Speaker 1>that that excludes science? Like you can be religious and
<v Speaker 1>also believe in a lot of scientific principles and knowledge
<v Speaker 1>that we've acquired.
<v Speaker 3>Right, So, I recently just did a very extensive five
<v Speaker 3>part series called The Definitive Guides to Debunking Creationists, and
<v Speaker 3>in it, I delineate the different types of creationists because
<v Speaker 3>there are different types there are there are going all
<v Speaker 3>the way, you know, like Young Earth creationists deny much,
<v Speaker 3>you know, quite a lot of science, whereas you can
<v Speaker 3>have people who are more on the side of like
<v Speaker 3>a theistic or a deistic evolution, which which really contradicts
<v Speaker 3>very little science, or in the case of deistic evolution,
<v Speaker 3>none at all. It's simply the belief in a you know,
<v Speaker 3>in a in a creator God. But then after the
<v Speaker 3>creation event the rest unfolds naturalistically. But in terms of
<v Speaker 3>like Young Earth creationism, The reason is very clear because
<v Speaker 3>they are subscribed to a narrative where personal creator created
<v Speaker 3>them nice and super special, and they're they've been created
<v Speaker 3>this way, and when they die, they go to heaven, right,
<v Speaker 3>And so to to challenge that narrative is to uh,
<v Speaker 3>is to trigger their fear of mortality. Uh. It's really
<v Speaker 3>just you're reminding them, hey, you're going to die and uh,
<v Speaker 3>and that's it. And people react very violently to that
<v Speaker 3>if they have, if they have fully subscribed to this
<v Speaker 3>notion of of an afterlife and being chosen and I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna go go to heaven and live forever and et cetera.
<v Speaker 3>And so when you say, look, these stories aren't true.
<v Speaker 3>We weren't created like that. All living organisms evolved from
<v Speaker 3>a common ancestor over a period of a couple billion years,
<v Speaker 3>they react the same as if you punch them in
<v Speaker 3>the face. You know, it's it's that offensive to them. Yeah, so,
<v Speaker 3>but you.
<v Speaker 1>Know, so it's it's I guess it's it's it's just
<v Speaker 1>an anthropocentrism. It's just anthropocentrism, and it's shaking their worldview.
<v Speaker 1>But that's the thing that's so tragic, is like, you
<v Speaker 1>don't you don't have to have your world do you
<v Speaker 1>shaken by this? You can just adjust it and and
<v Speaker 1>work with that, you know, work with that philosophically and realize, oh,
<v Speaker 1>we're part We're all part of this living you know,
<v Speaker 1>skin of planet Earth, and we can we can form
<v Speaker 1>relationships with you know, everything around us, like the way
<v Speaker 1>some indigenous cultures, both in North America, Australia wherever, you know,
<v Speaker 1>viewed life, viewed themselves as part of it rather than
<v Speaker 1>were at the center of it. I mean with with
<v Speaker 1>the were at the center of it stuff. Do you
<v Speaker 1>think that's that's what's behind a lot of the weird
<v Speaker 1>flat earth ship because that stuff blows my mind, like,
<v Speaker 1>how do you that? Just I almost thought that was
<v Speaker 1>a joke when I first learned about it. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>there's no one who honestly believes the Earth is flat.
<v Speaker 5>Well, there are two camps of flat earthers.
<v Speaker 3>There are those who are Biblical literalists, and they're super
<v Speaker 3>duper religious, and they look to Versus about the four
<v Speaker 3>corners of the Earth and the et cetera. They claim that,
<v Speaker 3>you know, the Bible says the earth is what which
<v Speaker 3>does or it doesn't know? Who cares doesn't matter, it's
<v Speaker 3>totally irrelevant. But the other half is really not religiously motivated.
<v Speaker 3>They're just the most conspiratorial people on earth. Right, Everything
<v Speaker 3>is a lie. Everything, all of sciences lie, from the government,
<v Speaker 3>from NASA, from whatever it is. They're just helplessly, hopelessly conspiratorial, truly.
<v Speaker 2>Do you so? Do I?
<v Speaker 1>I just don't get it, man, Yeah, I do you
<v Speaker 1>think the conspiracy thing why people like to believe in that?
<v Speaker 1>It just it's because it makes the world more exciting somehow.
<v Speaker 1>Or is it they're just smoking too much weed. Because
<v Speaker 1>you smoke too much weed, you get paranoid, not just
<v Speaker 1>when you're high, but also just long term. It just
<v Speaker 1>becomes kind of I've noticed that in Poda. It's like
<v Speaker 1>even when they're not high, they're still kind of paranoid.
<v Speaker 1>It's where do you think it all comes from?
<v Speaker 3>I mean a lot of more drug addicts, But it's
<v Speaker 3>it's a deeper It's it's a personality disorder, right. They
<v Speaker 3>they suffer from extreme delude, usual narcissism. So when you're
<v Speaker 3>a delusional narcissist, you're the greatest and smartest person alive.
<v Speaker 3>But what happens when you combine that delusional narcissism with
<v Speaker 3>a severe cognitive deficit. Then you get the dumbest people
<v Speaker 3>in the world believing that they're the smartest people in
<v Speaker 3>the world. And when you're that dumb, you don't understand anything.
<v Speaker 3>Therefore everything must be false. Right, in order for you
<v Speaker 3>to elevate yourself above the entire body of scientific knowledge
<v Speaker 3>of which you have no comprehension, it must all be wrong, right,
<v Speaker 3>That's how they elevate themselves above it. And so astronomy
<v Speaker 3>all wrong, geology all wrong, physics all wrong, which is
<v Speaker 3>insane right because it's demonstrably true, But they're not living
<v Speaker 3>in a logic based world.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's just you know, my whole I love
<v Speaker 1>learning new things, and I mean that's like science and
<v Speaker 1>art are like the highlights of my of why I
<v Speaker 1>exist to me. You know, I love learning new things.
<v Speaker 1>I love creating new things. When I learned something new,
<v Speaker 1>I get excited. When when it finally clicks, I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, that I just don't I can't comprehend
<v Speaker 1>why someone would not choose that path. Like the knowledge
<v Speaker 1>is out there, you can take it in, you can
<v Speaker 1>visibly see it and demonstrate it like you said, but
<v Speaker 1>but you're just going to shuffle it aside to believe
<v Speaker 1>in nonsense.
<v Speaker 2>It's like this, I just don't.
<v Speaker 1>It's that's why I'm like, maybe it's just, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like Coast to Coast AM, that radio station used to
<v Speaker 1>be fun to listen to with art bell at night,
<v Speaker 1>Like driving down a long desert road, you're listening to
<v Speaker 1>our bell. It's you know, it's all bullshit, but it's
<v Speaker 1>still kind of fun in its own way. Maybe it's
<v Speaker 1>that I mean that I have to think that because
<v Speaker 1>I just can't believe that in this fucking day and
<v Speaker 1>age there'd be that many people believing this stuff. And
<v Speaker 1>then also when you've got that many people believing it again,
<v Speaker 1>we go back to the quality of the world that
<v Speaker 1>you have to live in starts to decline, Like you're
<v Speaker 1>living in a world dominated by people who don't believe
<v Speaker 1>in rationality or science or like the wonders of science.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm pretty aggressively trying to a rehabilitate a public
<v Speaker 3>perception of science, science, literacy, all of that, and also
<v Speaker 3>just popularized knowledge acquisition. Right, I want people to think
<v Speaker 3>it is cool to know things and learn things.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I want to read this.
<v Speaker 1>Carl segand quote really quick from Demon Haunted World, which
<v Speaker 1>is one of my favorite books. I think I read
<v Speaker 1>this probably twenty years ago, that the Demon Haunted World.
<v Speaker 1>Science is a candle in the dark. I have a
<v Speaker 1>foreboding of an America and my children's or grandchildren's time
<v Speaker 1>when the United States is a service and information economy,
<v Speaker 1>when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to
<v Speaker 1>other countries, when awesome technological powers are in the hands
<v Speaker 1>of a very few and no one representing the public
<v Speaker 1>interest can even grasp the issues, when the people have
<v Speaker 1>lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably
<v Speaker 1>question those in authority. When clutching our crystals and nervously
<v Speaker 1>consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to
<v Speaker 1>distinguish between what feels like good and what's true, but
<v Speaker 1>between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost
<v Speaker 1>without noticing, back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down
<v Speaker 1>of American of America is most evident in the slow
<v Speaker 1>decay of substantiative content and the enormous influential media. The
<v Speaker 1>thirty second sound bites not down to ten seconds or less.
<v Speaker 2>It's like you know, TikTok videos, Yeah, lowest.
<v Speaker 1>Lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition,
<v Speaker 1>but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance, especially that last,
<v Speaker 1>but a celebration of ignorance. I mean, I live in Texas,
<v Speaker 1>and it seems like there's this reactionary assault on intellect,
<v Speaker 1>like just you know.
<v Speaker 2>Like shut up pussy you like that.
<v Speaker 1>Like like you know, like that that movie Idiocracy, Like
<v Speaker 1>anybody who can read is called a fat It's like
<v Speaker 1>the same kind of liberal cook.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, yeah, liberal cook.
<v Speaker 1>I just don't get it's this is Do you think
<v Speaker 1>this is a psyop in some way? Like I'm going
<v Speaker 1>down my own conspiratory road now, Like I just I
<v Speaker 1>don't think that, but I just have to wonder sometimes.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, or do you think it just comes about
<v Speaker 1>naturally because humans, you know, have the whole herd mentality,
<v Speaker 1>and one person puts this stuff out there and everybody
<v Speaker 1>follows it.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's natural at its core, but I think
<v Speaker 3>that it is aided along by nefarious bad actors. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I mean there's obviously a lot, there's there's obviously mass
<v Speaker 3>manipulation going on on the internet. But it's not like
<v Speaker 3>it's not fabricating human qualities that aren't there. These qualities exist,
<v Speaker 3>they're exacerbated by trends on the internet.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, exactly, right.
<v Speaker 1>So, you know, I just wonder because I've you know,
<v Speaker 1>I've heard, I've heard about how you know, some other
<v Speaker 1>countries the content that gets pushed is maybe a little
<v Speaker 1>bit more informative or educational. There's more funding towards that,
<v Speaker 1>do you think I mean, I always look to the
<v Speaker 1>Reagan years, like the eighties, you know, that whole inin
<v Speaker 1>Randy and economic philosophy that if we give the rich
<v Speaker 1>more money and defund the libraries, society will improve. Do
<v Speaker 1>you think that's had no pun intended trickle down effects
<v Speaker 1>to where we're at today.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, I think everything that's going on in
<v Speaker 3>the economy now is the direct ramification of Reaganism. I
<v Speaker 3>think that was the beginning, that was the fulcrum shift
<v Speaker 3>in the precise wrong direction that's gotten us to where
<v Speaker 3>we are now. Just you know, further deregulation of the
<v Speaker 3>corporatocracy and just it was the beginning of a massive
<v Speaker 3>shift in wealth towards those who already have wealth. And
<v Speaker 3>you know, as that gets worse and worse, there's going
<v Speaker 3>to be an emphasis on keeping people uneducated and keeping
<v Speaker 3>people unable to create, we think, and you know, whether
<v Speaker 3>that's expressly dictated by individuals, right, I don't know how
<v Speaker 3>well we can pin it on individuals. I think it's
<v Speaker 3>just sort of a cultural phenomenon, but our government definitely
<v Speaker 3>embodies it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, well, there's certainly an incentive to keep people.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you have a consumer economy, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>there's many elements of our economy that are that are
<v Speaker 1>kind of their own Ponzi scheme, you know that just
<v Speaker 1>it's like the whole debt economy, like buying shit you
<v Speaker 1>don't need with money you don't have. It's certain you
<v Speaker 1>certainly don't want smart people, smart citizens. That's not that's
<v Speaker 1>not going to help you get what you want. I mean, again,
<v Speaker 1>this is all shit George Cronin was saying thirty years ago.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's hard because it's it's that that
<v Speaker 3>is overly reductive.
<v Speaker 5>Right.
<v Speaker 3>We do want smart citizens because then they grow, they
<v Speaker 3>they go to invent things and start companies, and that
<v Speaker 3>raise the GDP, So it's not entirely true. Yeah, but
<v Speaker 3>I mean there's there's just there's just definitely things like
<v Speaker 3>you know, around the Reagan era, like people always look
<v Speaker 3>back to, like you know, Eisenhower and things, and like
<v Speaker 3>you know this golden the golden fifties, and it's like, well,
<v Speaker 3>look at what was going on in terms of social services,
<v Speaker 3>Like the federal government was subsidizing education, so education was
<v Speaker 3>dirt cheap. Anybody could buy a house. Right, Everything has
<v Speaker 3>changed so much in terms of the access that we
<v Speaker 3>have and the quality of life. And it's it's a.
<v Speaker 4>Direct result of policy, right, It's this has all been
<v Speaker 4>a very deliberate uh uh you know turn of events
<v Speaker 4>here over enacted over several decades.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean just things like defunding libraries, defunding education.
<v Speaker 1>I just don't understand why why anybody would want to
<v Speaker 1>do that. I mean you're taking you're taking energy and
<v Speaker 1>funds from things that benefit everybody and putting them into
<v Speaker 1>things that ben fit the very few. I mean, I
<v Speaker 1>that whole economic philosophy that I always you know, whether
<v Speaker 1>it was Ion Rand or whoever was behind it, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>what would what would you call that? That's the whole
<v Speaker 1>thing that kind of Reagan started. What what would you uh,
<v Speaker 1>how would you define that?
<v Speaker 3>Predatory capitalism? I guess I don't know, just just unfettered capitalism. Right,
<v Speaker 3>it's a it's a like I I I still think
<v Speaker 3>capitalism is good, but not the way we're doing it,
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean? Yeah, like you have.
<v Speaker 5>With modern society.
<v Speaker 3>It's this dance between the private sector and the public sector. Right,
<v Speaker 3>you have government and you have the private sector, and
<v Speaker 3>neither should have more influence than the other. Right, they should,
<v Speaker 3>they should be roughly equally powerful. And so we've had
<v Speaker 3>experiments in the past where the state owned everything and
<v Speaker 3>that ended up bad. But now we've gone so far
<v Speaker 3>in the other direction, where the corporatocracy more or less
<v Speaker 3>owns the government and dictates policy over the citizenry. Right,
<v Speaker 3>the citizenry should dictate policy. Policy should serve the citizenry,
<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't. Money isn't going to social services, money
<v Speaker 3>isn't going to rescuing the people that just in the hurricane, Right,
<v Speaker 3>do what you know, guide and says, oh, we're going
<v Speaker 3>to give you all seven or fifty dollars, seven fifty dollars.
<v Speaker 5>My life is ruined you.
<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, you're giving one hundred billion dollars to Israel to
<v Speaker 3>commit genocide, Like.
<v Speaker 5>Where is the money? Why is our money going to
<v Speaker 5>things other than what we need?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's insane.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I I.
<v Speaker 1>Just don't know where. I don't know where this goes.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, would you do you think we live in
<v Speaker 1>an oligarchy? I mean, I know that's kind of hyperbolic,
<v Speaker 1>but would you.
<v Speaker 3>No, it's not hyperbolic, it's it's absolutely true.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally cool. That's kind of what I was hoping
<v Speaker 1>you would say. I mean, yeah, we've seen. I just
<v Speaker 1>don't know how to get back from here. I mean
<v Speaker 1>the whole philosophy. But if you and you know, private
<v Speaker 1>private sector can handle things better than the public sector.
<v Speaker 1>Well maybe with some things, but with a lot of things. No,
<v Speaker 1>I mean everything that we were told what happened under communism,
<v Speaker 1>the long lines, the uh you know, just you know, inconveniences,
<v Speaker 1>the breakdown of just basic infrastructure. That's all happening under
<v Speaker 1>this this predatory capitalism, this capitalism on steroids that we've gotten.
<v Speaker 1>Why why wouldn't it if the main interest is just
<v Speaker 1>making money and pleasing shareholders at the expense of everything else.
<v Speaker 1>Why would if you can cut corners, sure, fuck, who cares?
<v Speaker 2>Why do it? Why not do it?
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's uh the go ahead.
<v Speaker 5>The problem is that that this level of corruption will rear.
<v Speaker 3>It's ugly had No matter which sector gets control over
<v Speaker 3>the other, whether the state gets control over the private
<v Speaker 3>sector or vice versa, you will get this level of corruption.
<v Speaker 3>The only way to avoid it is balanced when each
<v Speaker 3>is regulating the other or not. Right. So I'm not
<v Speaker 3>advocating or communism right because that that didn't work out.
<v Speaker 3>But we're experiencing the opposite problem.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because people are just corrupt, I think, and I
<v Speaker 1>don't think that's negative to say that. I think that's
<v Speaker 1>you know, we are if you look at champs, if
<v Speaker 1>you look at uh, you know, primate other primate behavior,
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the way things doing. But knowing that
<v Speaker 1>we're like that, we can correct for it with culture
<v Speaker 1>and regulations and that kind of thing. Would you say
<v Speaker 1>that's true? I mean, what what's your stamps on kind
<v Speaker 1>of the human what humans are prone to?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, I think that's true. But the but it
<v Speaker 3>requires a knowledgeable and vigilant and proactive citizenry. Yeah, that
<v Speaker 3>hence the emphasis on keeping people in the dark, right,
<v Speaker 3>because we all know a lot of things and act
<v Speaker 3>on our knowledge that will disrupt the power the power system.
<v Speaker 1>And how does the citizen rey correct for what I mean,
<v Speaker 1>just by voting or by by what?
<v Speaker 3>Uh? Yeah, I mean, obviously the voting would be one way.
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be slow. It's going to be a
<v Speaker 3>very slow process of changing the personnel in Washington, but
<v Speaker 3>it can be done. I think that there are still
<v Speaker 3>a handful of people who get into politics for the
<v Speaker 3>right reasons, and I think there are a handful of
<v Speaker 3>politicians with somewhat genuine intentions in Washington. They're very much
<v Speaker 3>the minority. But yeah, I mean, old people, do you're
<v Speaker 3>Mitch McConnell's going to die. They're all going to die
<v Speaker 3>at some point, and we need to make sure that
<v Speaker 3>the new you know, we need to make sure as
<v Speaker 3>much as possible that any time anybody takes any kind
<v Speaker 3>of public office that they're the right person in there.
<v Speaker 3>And very very slowly we can return to a state
<v Speaker 3>where people are passing laws in the interest of the public. So, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>political science is not my forte. But yeah, other than that,
<v Speaker 3>protesting and boycotting boycotting obviously is very powerful.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so just but just bringing the education level of
<v Speaker 1>most Americans up is so important. That's why having it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and informed citizenry. But if you've gotten, you know, a
<v Speaker 1>citizenry that believes the earth is flat and it's more
<v Speaker 1>interested in you know, sneakers and fast food and hot
<v Speaker 1>cars than they are and understanding how the world works,
<v Speaker 1>you kind of fucked, which is.
<v Speaker 2>Why I love what you do.
<v Speaker 1>It's it makes learning, you know, really fucking fun and
<v Speaker 1>exciting and cover all these vast topics you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, consumerism is obviously an indispensable part of predatory capitalism
<v Speaker 3>because you need people to think that getting the trinkets
<v Speaker 3>that they're being offered is their way of kind of winning. Right.
<v Speaker 3>If I if I can work hard enough that I
<v Speaker 3>can get the new phone or get the new car,
<v Speaker 3>get the whatever the thing is, then I'm doing well. Meanwhile,
<v Speaker 3>oblivious to what's going on behind the scenes and how
<v Speaker 3>badly we're all getting screwed.
<v Speaker 1>Right, That materialist shit is so funny to me because
<v Speaker 1>it's it's just it seems it's like to me, it's
<v Speaker 1>so obvious. It's like, Okay, this is a and as
<v Speaker 1>a primate as a as a chimp. You know, it's
<v Speaker 1>this is you know, if I want to do this,
<v Speaker 1>this is me just trying. If I want to like
<v Speaker 1>get a nice car to impress someone, that's just me
<v Speaker 1>doing chimp shit, doing chimp behavior. We're social animals, we're
<v Speaker 1>social groups. We need validation from our peers. I'm just
<v Speaker 1>I'm just doing you know, that's just the monkey brain. Like,
<v Speaker 1>that's just such an obvious monkey brain to me trying
<v Speaker 1>to impress others rather than living for myself. Not in
<v Speaker 1>all cases. That's an extreme statement in some ways. But
<v Speaker 1>I just don't see, you know, like how can it
<v Speaker 1>just seems like such lowest common denominator shit wanting the
<v Speaker 1>shiny shit, wanting all the shiny stuff. Yeah, you know
<v Speaker 1>like that, like why are you so concerned with what
<v Speaker 1>other people think of you? You know, some people you
<v Speaker 1>should be concerned with they think of you. If they're
<v Speaker 1>really smart, if they've got good opinions, you trust their judgment.
<v Speaker 1>But you should be more concerned with what you think
<v Speaker 1>of yourself.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, man. I guess the thing too
<v Speaker 1>about all the Joe Rogan bros. Is you know, they're
<v Speaker 1>all into like the David Goggins really like work it out,
<v Speaker 1>like you know, Attle Bella, but they're not in They're
<v Speaker 1>into physical exercise, but they're not into the mental exercise.
<v Speaker 1>How do you make how do you make mental exercise
<v Speaker 1>appealing to people?
<v Speaker 2>You know?
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's yeah, it's a million dollar question. I
<v Speaker 3>mean you can only need by example, right, All I
<v Speaker 3>can hope to do is explain everything I can as
<v Speaker 3>clearly as I can, as enthusiastically as I can, serve,
<v Speaker 3>as as much of a serve as being as much
<v Speaker 3>of a role model as I can, right, Just like
<v Speaker 3>be a be a person that people can look at
<v Speaker 3>and if and if they see me and say, oh,
<v Speaker 3>I'd like to know more like that guy, then here
<v Speaker 3>are the tools at your disposal, right. Yeah, if they
<v Speaker 3>see means and think that what I'm doing is worthwhile
<v Speaker 3>by debunking these uh, these nefarious influences, if they think
<v Speaker 3>that that's worthwhile, that they may be inspired to follow
<v Speaker 3>suit and broaden their knowledge and things like that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by debunking fucking posers and Charlottean's man. So I
<v Speaker 1>forgot to ask you when we start, how much time
<v Speaker 1>do you have? Because I want to keep going for
<v Speaker 1>a while if that's cool with you.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, another another fifteen or.
<v Speaker 1>Some okay, okay cool. So like let's get into some
<v Speaker 1>of like the videos you've you've done the debunking videos,
<v Speaker 1>like the Terrence Howard thing. Who was there was another
<v Speaker 1>guy called Billy something Carson.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I checked out his page on Instagram. I was like, Man,
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck is this?
<v Speaker 2>This is just.
<v Speaker 1>Wild, weird shit. What are these people saying? Like, what
<v Speaker 1>was Terrence Howard's whole thing?
<v Speaker 3>Uh? Terrence Howard says basically nothing. I mean, it's it's
<v Speaker 3>truly word salad. He just uses scientific terms that he
<v Speaker 3>memorized and he does not know what they mean. Uh,
<v Speaker 3>And he just used like basically he is like he
<v Speaker 3>is truly a lunatic rambling on a street corner like
<v Speaker 3>you were describing. The only reason anyone's paying any intention
<v Speaker 3>is because he's a famous actor. If he wasn't a
<v Speaker 3>famous actor, everybody would go, Wow, that guy's nuts. But
<v Speaker 3>he he you know, he packages it. I mean, if
<v Speaker 3>we're if we're being blatantly honest, it is aimed at
<v Speaker 3>the African American community. He he and Billy Carson package there.
<v Speaker 3>They're bullshit with with an affrocentric twist, so you know,
<v Speaker 3>elevating the black man, the you know, uh, you know,
<v Speaker 3>all all that kind of stuff, and but in the end,
<v Speaker 3>it is truly just absolute gibberish. It's it's completely meaningless.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know too much more how to describe it
<v Speaker 3>than that, it's ill meaningless.
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy because it's doing more damage than that. It's
<v Speaker 1>it's not elevating anyone. It's it's filling people's heads with garbage.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 1>I guess I don't know why Rogan wanted to have
<v Speaker 1>them both on his podcast.
<v Speaker 2>That's the weird part.
<v Speaker 1>And he's just he's just sitting there like he's not
<v Speaker 1>pushing back against any of the insane shit.
<v Speaker 3>That no parents falls for all of it, which which
<v Speaker 3>completely and I have people tell me, you know, Joe's
<v Speaker 3>just playing a part.
<v Speaker 5>He's just letting the letting the guest go. He doesn't
<v Speaker 5>want to insult them.
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, no, because he was on right when
<v Speaker 3>he was on with Billy Carson. He was talking about
<v Speaker 3>Terrence Howard is so smart and their buddies and everything,
<v Speaker 3>and no, he really falls for this stuff because anybody
<v Speaker 3>who offers it's all about an anti establishment narrative. It's
<v Speaker 3>all about a contrarian narrative. Anybody who is challenging the
<v Speaker 3>status quo, anybody who is challenging scientific consensus, they must
<v Speaker 3>be right, right, because they're iconoclastic heroes, and in reality
<v Speaker 3>they're just idiots.
<v Speaker 5>They're just drifting morons.
<v Speaker 1>And then some twenty four year old dude, you know,
<v Speaker 1>suburban white dude in Texas with a neck beard, sees
<v Speaker 1>that and is like, dude, this is like, this is
<v Speaker 1>fucking this is pretty cool, man, This is like what
<v Speaker 1>it's about.
<v Speaker 3>What it does is it enables people to delude themselves
<v Speaker 3>into thinking not only that they understand science when they don't,
<v Speaker 3>but that they understand it better than scientists. Right, scientists
<v Speaker 3>are wrong. This is the real truth, and I understand it,
<v Speaker 3>so I know more than scientists. So first of all,
<v Speaker 3>when I failed science class in high school, that's okay
<v Speaker 3>because all of it was wrong. So all the science
<v Speaker 3>that made me mad and made me feel stupid, yeah
<v Speaker 3>it was wrong anyway.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, backs up this narrative, right, this narrative of bullshit.
<v Speaker 1>It's fucked man, It's so so crazy.
<v Speaker 3>It's very infantile. It's very infantile narrative to engage in.
<v Speaker 1>And then you did something on the Weinstein brothers too,
<v Speaker 1>which was fuck, which was crack because you know, I
<v Speaker 1>remember when that Brett Weinstein thing went down in Evergreen College.
<v Speaker 1>Is kind of a joke to me, no offense that
<v Speaker 1>anybody went. I've got friends that went there, but it's
<v Speaker 1>just such a fucking you know, and Vice News did
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing on this guy getting canceled for not
<v Speaker 1>going to it, and you know whatever, It's like the
<v Speaker 1>kids that were speaking up in the in the video
<v Speaker 1>were morons, but they're twenty. They're allowed to be morons.
<v Speaker 1>They're young, they're dumb, they don't and.
<v Speaker 3>It was also grossly mischaracterized. Everybody who's covered that covered
<v Speaker 3>that has completely mischaracterized and removed in key context.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, it elevated this dude to a new level,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and the right just of course embraced them,
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, man, it's just kind of just to see
<v Speaker 1>where that went. I mean, now he's like a regular orchestra. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he's a regular, very much orchestra. He's a regular guest.
<v Speaker 1>And then his brother is being you know, misrepresented as
<v Speaker 1>this this amazing scientist, and you find out he doesn't.
<v Speaker 2>Have a degree. What's his PhD In?
<v Speaker 1>It's like something unrelated, like the guy who's basically notable.
<v Speaker 5>So they both have doctorates.
<v Speaker 3>So this is the problem with people like the Weinstein's, Right,
<v Speaker 3>Terrence Howard, You listen to him for ten seconds and
<v Speaker 3>you can tell he's a complete more on most people.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 3>The Weinsteins are convincing. Brett has a doctorate in evolutionary
<v Speaker 3>biology and Eric has a doctorate in mathematical physics. So
<v Speaker 3>they do know what they're talking about. They have knowledge
<v Speaker 3>of a field, but they're completely full of shit and
<v Speaker 3>lying constantly to spin a narrative to elevate themselves. Right,
<v Speaker 3>this is all very very deliberately orchestrated manipulative rhetoric, manipulative
<v Speaker 3>anti establishment rhetoric to elevate themselves in the public spotlight,
<v Speaker 3>to get lucrative podcasts. By the way, Peter Thiel is
<v Speaker 3>behind all it. He's bankrolling these worth ten billion dollars.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, doesn't Eric Weinstein work for Peter Thield. He's got
<v Speaker 1>he works, He's an investor.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was a managing director for Peter Thield for
<v Speaker 3>ten years, which is an empty title, doesn't mean anything.
<v Speaker 3>So this is what he's being paid to do, to disrupt,
<v Speaker 3>to to you know, to promote anti establishment rhetoric on
<v Speaker 3>the internet, to get people to uh to, to favor
<v Speaker 3>anti academia narratives. Right.
<v Speaker 5>The idea is to get people to turn on established knowledge.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 3>What are universities? There are centers of knowledge and learning.
<v Speaker 3>So how do we make that a bad thing? How
<v Speaker 3>do we make it? How do we make it so
<v Speaker 3>that what people learn in the place where you learn
<v Speaker 3>is wrong and this other crap that I'm saying is right? Right,
<v Speaker 3>you have to really slowly and deliberately foster this anti
<v Speaker 3>academic sentiment. That is what Eric Weinstein is. That's all
<v Speaker 3>he is. He's the walking embodiment of that sentiment, and
<v Speaker 3>he's paid to spread it. That's what it is.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that guy Eric Weinstein, to me is especially fucking
<v Speaker 1>annoying because he just seems like one of those dudes
<v Speaker 1>like some friend's dad, you know, like who you don't
<v Speaker 1>want to get cornered by when you go over to
<v Speaker 1>their house because you know he's just gonna end up
<v Speaker 1>talking about.
<v Speaker 2>Himself the whole time.
<v Speaker 3>That's what it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you find out like I found that one
<v Speaker 1>video you had on him where it's like, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he basically invited himself on Rogan to talk about this stuff.
<v Speaker 1>And then he's got this grudge because he was his
<v Speaker 1>some theory or paper that he wrote wasn't taken seriously.
<v Speaker 1>It was basically picked a part in peer review and
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't taken seriously, and so now he's got this grudge.
<v Speaker 1>You know, this whole you're I mean, you really describe
<v Speaker 1>it well, it is it's just pure narcissism. It's it's
<v Speaker 1>it's oblivious narcissism, like the kind of shit you know,
<v Speaker 1>like in AA, like that they teach drunks when they
<v Speaker 1>go to AA, like for yourself from the bondage yourself,
<v Speaker 1>all your petty resentments, all your fucking you know, quit
<v Speaker 1>playing god all the shit, like oh.
<v Speaker 2>I can, I can. Uh. You know.
<v Speaker 1>My opinion on this matter is because and it's it's
<v Speaker 1>just so it's so obviously like you're wounded and you're
<v Speaker 1>narcissistic and you need validation, but you don't need to
<v Speaker 1>feel this way. There's other ways you can, you know,
<v Speaker 1>embrace humility and whatever. That's what that dude seems like
<v Speaker 1>to me, Like, I look at him, I'm like, fuck,
<v Speaker 1>if that guy ever takes psychedelics, what happens?
<v Speaker 2>Like does he know?
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's no just no self awareness. Like the
<v Speaker 1>Eric Weinstein thing was fucking great, man, I love it.
<v Speaker 3>But it's it's more than that, Like, yes, he is
<v Speaker 3>a narcissist, but he's also specifically a bad face actor. Right,
<v Speaker 3>it's not like he's he's delusional to an extent, but
<v Speaker 3>he's he's it's a grift. Now. It's not that he
<v Speaker 3>truly thinks geometric unity is the next step forward in
<v Speaker 3>theoretical physics. He's posturing, right. He wants the public to
<v Speaker 3>believe that, and that's his best attempt at cobbling together
<v Speaker 3>something that vaguely resembles something that could be that to
<v Speaker 3>the uneducated viewer. The uneducated viewer will look at that
<v Speaker 3>paper and go, wow, he must be a genius because
<v Speaker 3>he does understand math than physics to the level of
<v Speaker 3>any graduate student studying mathephysics, which is something you know
<v Speaker 3>what I mean. He's not Terrence Howard in spirit, He's
<v Speaker 3>he represents the same thing as Terrence Howard. I'm I'm
<v Speaker 3>the most brilliant person alive. And but the thing is
<v Speaker 3>Terrence actually believes it's he's mentally ill. Eric is not.
<v Speaker 3>This is nefarious activity. He's paid by Peter Teal to
<v Speaker 3>put on this facade and to then foster anti academic sentiments.
<v Speaker 1>Can we talk about Peter Sorry, sorry I didn't even
<v Speaker 1>interrupt you.
<v Speaker 2>I thought you were done.
<v Speaker 1>But the Peter Teal, I mean, what's up with Peter Tiel?
<v Speaker 1>Because is he behind all of this? He's he's kind
<v Speaker 1>of right wing right now? Do you think what's the
<v Speaker 1>point of like debunking or of them trying to take
<v Speaker 1>apart academia. Is it just because their feelings are hurt
<v Speaker 1>because elements of academia are left leaning? Like why would
<v Speaker 1>they attack the.
<v Speaker 5>Whole when you are that filthy rich?
<v Speaker 3>Everything is everything is about money, Everything is about wealth
<v Speaker 3>and wealth acquisition, right, So in terms of academia, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>it's just about lessening the influence of influential institutions to
<v Speaker 3>posture yourself, to prop yourself up, you know. I mean, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's it's not a world I'm super familiar with. So
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I could say in extreme detail how
<v Speaker 3>this rhetoric fills his pockets. But that's I mean, it's
<v Speaker 3>definitely there. I would have to research a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>But this guy's funding, I mean, didn't Peter Thiel fund
<v Speaker 1>jd Vance or or he was behind part I just
<v Speaker 1>don't understand his Yeah, what he's got his hands in.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I mean he's got he's got his money everywhere.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's it's just it's all just highly manipulative.
<v Speaker 5>I mean I think that. I mean, these guys, like
<v Speaker 5>if if they're.
<v Speaker 3>Trying to inch the needle closer towards theocracy, right, authoritarianism,
<v Speaker 3>especially theocratic authoritarianism, this is always good business on their end, right,
<v Speaker 3>because if you have a very submissive, very.
<v Speaker 5>Docile, all populous, you.
<v Speaker 3>Can do anything you want to them, where you can
<v Speaker 3>deregulate anything you can. You know, you don't want a
<v Speaker 3>populace that is that is knowledgeable and politically active that
<v Speaker 3>will then protest in boycott everything that you're trying to do.
<v Speaker 3>You want them to just suck it up and let
<v Speaker 3>them take, you know, uh, shift wealth into their own hands. Right.
<v Speaker 3>That's I think more or less it.
<v Speaker 1>So beyond I mean there's kind of yeah, there there
<v Speaker 1>is an nefarious there's more, much more nefarious intent than
<v Speaker 1>going on here. It's not just you know, believing in
<v Speaker 1>fairy tales and conspiracy theories that make people dumber. It's
<v Speaker 1>actually like intently trying to take a part the pool
<v Speaker 1>of knowledge that we that we have.
<v Speaker 3>On this highest tier of of of global dynamics. It's
<v Speaker 3>all wealth acquisition. It's just trying to shift numbers in
<v Speaker 3>a direction, right. The ultra rich want to get ultra richer.
<v Speaker 3>That's really all it is. I mean, it gets very
<v Speaker 3>complicated when you look at the minutia of it, but
<v Speaker 3>the intention is that purely, and so how do you
<v Speaker 3>get you know, just colleges are bad, universities are bad,
<v Speaker 3>and the people in them are bad. Don't go there,
<v Speaker 3>don't listen to what they say. It's very transparent what
<v Speaker 3>the motive is here with that rhetoric, because everybody who's
<v Speaker 3>been to college knows that you go there and you
<v Speaker 3>learn things. So when people tell me, I have so
<v Speaker 3>many people in the comments just going to you and.
<v Speaker 5>Your Rockefeller narrative.
<v Speaker 3>Education blah blah blah, It's like, okay, buddy, tell me
<v Speaker 3>what about my chemistry degree is propaganda or lies? Tell
<v Speaker 3>me specifically, I'll give you the syllabi if you need to,
<v Speaker 3>if you need to see them, point it out to me.
<v Speaker 3>They never have a response obviously, Chemistry, physics, engineering, all
<v Speaker 3>these things.
<v Speaker 5>Where's the propaganda. We're learning the things that the.
<v Speaker 3>Human species knows so that we can push some of
<v Speaker 3>us will push the field a little bit further, you know,
<v Speaker 3>if we're very successful and brilliant.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, really all it is and better the collective. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing. If people are smart, it betters the
<v Speaker 1>whole collective, of the whole community of people and advances us,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and we've got all this technological advancement, but
<v Speaker 1>we don't have the cultural advancement that we need to
<v Speaker 1>handle it yet. Going into universities though, I mean, at
<v Speaker 1>least in America, you know, just like the healthcare system,
<v Speaker 1>like it's been tainted with this whole private sector nonsense
<v Speaker 1>and you know, deep monetization and you know, making college
<v Speaker 1>kind of a business. I mean, that's and that's the
<v Speaker 1>more what I hear from friends and professors who work
<v Speaker 1>in academia. You know that I deal with for botany stuff,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like defunding things like our baria, you know,
<v Speaker 1>taking the merging departments, you know, focusing more on molecular
<v Speaker 1>botany rather than organismal bodany. I mean, do you see.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it seems like this mentality, this Reaganist mentality too,
<v Speaker 1>is finally infected a lot of the colleges as well.
<v Speaker 3>Well. I mean again, the government used to subsidize education,
<v Speaker 3>so college was affordable. They don't do that anymore, and
<v Speaker 3>so that's the main reason it's not affordable. Of course,
<v Speaker 3>there's the business aspect that you that you cite as well,
<v Speaker 3>and you know, every university is different. So I can't speak.
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to paint with a broad brush. Certainly
<v Speaker 3>are there are practices that are not ideal, but yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the problem is that it would be okay
<v Speaker 3>if we were to have a nuanced conversation about how
<v Speaker 3>universities are run. But the thing is that these bad
<v Speaker 3>faith actors are purposely trying to get that connotation to
<v Speaker 3>spill over onto the body of scientific knowledge about the
<v Speaker 3>materials you could be doing. It's saying, oh, a university
<v Speaker 3>is bad, therefore science is bad, or what you learn
<v Speaker 3>at a university is wrong and bad, right, and that's insane, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're not attacking colleges because you know, the administrators
<v Speaker 1>are you know, cutting budgets and hoarding more for themselves,
<v Speaker 1>or because it's financially inaccessible to people. They're attacking universities
<v Speaker 1>because they don't like the body of knowledge that's being taught.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're not having a nuanced conversation about the bureaucracy
<v Speaker 3>of a particular institution.
<v Speaker 5>They're going that bad, all of it bad.
<v Speaker 2>Where do you where do.
<v Speaker 1>You think this sends up?
<v Speaker 2>Do you?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how do you like in twenty thirty years,
<v Speaker 1>where will American education be at?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, man, it keeps me up at night.
<v Speaker 3>We're either going to bounce back or we're just on
<v Speaker 3>a bullet train to dystopia. It's one or the other.
<v Speaker 1>Because these these billionaire you know, these people that are
<v Speaker 1>lott of people behind all this stuff. I don't think
<v Speaker 1>they're going to stop at any point, you know.
<v Speaker 3>No, really not. Yeah, I don't know. It's either twenty
<v Speaker 3>thirty years of very slowly and very gradually enacting a
<v Speaker 3>cultural shift in the population in terms of their values
<v Speaker 3>and you know, valuing knowledge and uh and and becoming
<v Speaker 3>more proactive politically. If that can all happen, we can
<v Speaker 3>very slowly uh and gradually prevent or reverse this trend
<v Speaker 3>uh or or at least prevent it from getting worse.
<v Speaker 3>If we can't do that, and we're continually further and
<v Speaker 3>further manipulated, then will end up in I mean, there
<v Speaker 3>there's a there's a very real danger that America ends
<v Speaker 3>up a theocracy and authoritarian theocracy, in which case I'm out.
<v Speaker 3>I'm leaving YEA, so taking my family with me and
<v Speaker 3>going into and going to Europe or somewhere else. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think, but do you think wealth effects like extreme?
<v Speaker 1>Do you think extreme wealth warps human psychology?
<v Speaker 5>Like?
<v Speaker 1>What do you think the effects are on the human
<v Speaker 1>brain when you've got that much money and power?
<v Speaker 3>Probably I have to imagine it does. Unfortunately, I I
<v Speaker 3>can only speculate. I have never encountered that kind of wealth.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, even even just being of of of modest wealth,
<v Speaker 6>I think can sometimes make it impossible to relate to
<v Speaker 6>people in underdeveloped nations and people.
<v Speaker 3>That are really, really truly in need. I mean, I
<v Speaker 3>think most Americans just don't even think about those people,
<v Speaker 3>and if they do, just barely even regard them as
<v Speaker 3>as as people. So I have to imagine in the
<v Speaker 3>extreme case, these these multi billionaires are just looking at
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of ants. Yeah, yeah, having their empathy whatsoever?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no compassion. No, that's crazy. That's crazy to me.
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's what's And just the lack of self
<v Speaker 1>awareness that some of them have, like Elon Musk, like,
<v Speaker 1>the lack of self awareness, the need for validation, the
<v Speaker 1>lack of of of human growth, like upstairs, you know
<v Speaker 1>that that he seems to display. I just and but
<v Speaker 1>he's got so much power. It's like Jesus Christ man,
<v Speaker 1>if that was a different person, they could do so
<v Speaker 1>much good with all that money and take care of things.
<v Speaker 3>But and what if all of us would become like that,
<v Speaker 3>if we were in those shoes. What if I don't know, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'll be a billionaire.
<v Speaker 1>So I think I think everyone has absolutely the potential
<v Speaker 1>to be that guy. I think so. And that's something
<v Speaker 1>I just get into argument. So that's something I get it.
<v Speaker 1>Like some people, you know, fellow leftists, I see and
<v Speaker 1>I'm there, they think that people are innately good or anything.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, there's no innate good or bad. People
<v Speaker 1>are just we're just products of evolution. And you look
<v Speaker 1>to our closest relatives like chimps and uh, you get
<v Speaker 1>a kind of a picture for you know, but culture
<v Speaker 1>can correct for that. So well, man, thanks a lot.
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you doing this. I wanted I did
<v Speaker 1>one before we dip out. I did want to talk
<v Speaker 1>about some of the creationist stuff. Do you have time
<v Speaker 1>for that?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>A couple of minutes, okay, Yeah, So like the the
<v Speaker 1>creationist thing again, I just like some of that. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>you see that both in Christianity and Islam. Where does
<v Speaker 1>this come from? And how did you get into get
<v Speaker 1>into it with some of these people?
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it's something I've been familiar with all
<v Speaker 3>my life. I mean just you know, the influence Christianity,
<v Speaker 3>Christianity has on American culture is significant, and so I've
<v Speaker 3>dealt with, not not overly so, but you know, I'm
<v Speaker 3>familiar with with creationists and and and I find it
<v Speaker 3>to be something that very is very urgent to be
<v Speaker 3>debunked because of the influence of the Christian right on
<v Speaker 3>politics and the assault on women's rights and trying to
<v Speaker 3>get religion taught in public schools, science class. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>it's really an assault on civil liberties, right, the influence
<v Speaker 3>that Christian nationalism has on politics is an assault on
<v Speaker 3>individual civil rights. So it's something that I'm very passionate
<v Speaker 3>about fighting and exposing, you know, the whole intelligent design
<v Speaker 3>movement actually just being a branch of Christian propaganda. It's
<v Speaker 3>very important knowledge to be disseminated. These are figures that
<v Speaker 3>need to be debunked, and and it just the thing
<v Speaker 3>about it is that my knowledge is more in the
<v Speaker 3>realm of the chemical and the biological, so chemistry, biochemistry,
<v Speaker 3>and to an extent, biology, that this is more of
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that I can talk about very confidently. So
<v Speaker 3>it's right in there. Creationism is predominantly those areas. So
<v Speaker 3>I've definitely made a name for myself in terms of yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you know, Discovery Institute is a Christian propaganda mill, that is,
<v Speaker 3>that is the architect of this intelligent design movement, and
<v Speaker 3>I'm their number one enemy. I've gone down their entire roster,
<v Speaker 3>exposed all of them, all of the lies all you know,
<v Speaker 3>they're books full of lies, they're you know, all everything
<v Speaker 3>that they do is just just very reeks of nefarious intent.
<v Speaker 3>And so, yeah, they don't like me very much.
<v Speaker 1>It is the stuff that I mean, their arguments against
<v Speaker 1>it is it's that I mean, anyone with like a
<v Speaker 1>moderate science education could take a part or and it's
<v Speaker 1>only really a danger to people have no clue at
<v Speaker 1>all about science or no.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, see it varies.
<v Speaker 3>I mean they definitely say things that you ought to
<v Speaker 3>that somebody who did very well in ninth grade biology
<v Speaker 3>maybe could kick apart. But there's stuff where you know,
<v Speaker 3>not even that like there for some of those debunks,
<v Speaker 3>I have to dive into the primary scientific literature because
<v Speaker 3>they reference the primary scientific literature Jesus and and and
<v Speaker 3>they and they lie about it and so yeah, you
<v Speaker 3>know it takes it takes some some specialized knowledge, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>to be able to debunk and and so No, they
<v Speaker 3>definitely if you're somebody that really wants to believe that
<v Speaker 3>what they're saying is true, you're very easily going to
<v Speaker 3>get swept up in it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they got a creation this museum here in
<v Speaker 1>Texas and Glen Rose I think right near this you
<v Speaker 1>know park where they've it's a state park where they've
<v Speaker 1>got dinosaur footprints preserved in mud. And you know, it's
<v Speaker 1>kind of a fun thing like I could imagine, you know,
<v Speaker 1>with your if you're with the right crowd of people,
<v Speaker 1>you take acid, you go to the Creations Museum, you know,
<v Speaker 1>have a have a blast. It's kind of kind of
<v Speaker 1>funny and cute. Yeah, like and it kind of John
<v Speaker 1>Waters way. They've got like an ant, you know, a
<v Speaker 1>hammer that they put in a rock and say they're
<v Speaker 1>saying it's a fossil and ship. It's like, ah, this
<v Speaker 1>is fucking weird and kind of twisted and funny.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, but some of them you realize how many
<v Speaker 3>people fall for it, and yeah, how they have politically,
<v Speaker 3>and then it's not so not so funny.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe that's when the trip turns bad. You know,
<v Speaker 1>you have a bad but it's fucking I think, I
<v Speaker 1>just I don't know. Natural selection and evolution is so
<v Speaker 1>cool once you start to grasp it, you know, when
<v Speaker 1>you zoom out beyond your own you know, human lifetime
<v Speaker 1>enough and you can see these changes. I mean, that's
<v Speaker 1>what blows my mind is you can see these changes,
<v Speaker 1>like mosquitoes evolving resistance to DDT uh in you know,
<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean area in the sixties uh bacterial resistance. You
<v Speaker 1>can see you know, phenotypic change being selected for you know,
<v Speaker 1>comparing it with like with Darwin did compare during natural
<v Speaker 1>selection with human selection like breeding tomatoes or something.
<v Speaker 2>It just blows my mind.
<v Speaker 5>But it's still a tomato. Is it still a mosquito?
<v Speaker 3>Or is it still That's why I make this content
<v Speaker 3>because I know what you've said is absolutely true. But
<v Speaker 3>I know what Young Earth creation iss say in response.
<v Speaker 3>I've heard everything that they say, and so I make
<v Speaker 3>content going through this guide that I just made, this
<v Speaker 3>five part series. I just take everything that they say.
<v Speaker 3>It's to arm the viewer. Right, if you're going to
<v Speaker 3>talk to a creationists, whether you're going to debate one
<v Speaker 3>or you have one in your family that you want
<v Speaker 3>to set straight, this is everything that they say and
<v Speaker 3>this is how you respond.
<v Speaker 1>So lastly, you know, I read you were an atheistem agnostic, whatever.
<v Speaker 1>But do you think I mean, it just doesn't seem
<v Speaker 1>to me like religion and spirituality have to be anti science.
<v Speaker 1>Why where does this come from? Do you think again,
<v Speaker 1>just nefarious intent keeping people dumb so you can control
<v Speaker 1>them or what.
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, there's some of that, but also it's just
<v Speaker 3>how naturally, how we always were. I mean, so there
<v Speaker 3>you know, there's the concept of the God of the gaps,
<v Speaker 3>and whatever. We don't know, we tend to put a
<v Speaker 3>deity in that hole. And we once didn't know anything,
<v Speaker 3>and so thousands of years ago to believe in a god,
<v Speaker 3>it was not at all illogical.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's it's you know, how did all this.
<v Speaker 3>How does that work? How did that get here? Et cetera.
<v Speaker 3>But you know, we very slowly started filling in those
<v Speaker 3>gaps with empirical science, and now, I mean truly the
<v Speaker 3>twentieth century. If you look at how much we learned
<v Speaker 3>from nineteen hundred to two thousand, it's absolutely mind boggling.
<v Speaker 3>And there's just really no room for a god of
<v Speaker 3>the gaps anymore. And so people who cling to one,
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's it's it's just it's a lot of tradition,
<v Speaker 3>it's a lot of you know, just being passed down.
<v Speaker 3>This is what we believe in. People who turn away
<v Speaker 3>from modern knowledge and cling to ancient superstition. You know,
<v Speaker 3>like Sagan said, in a reaction actionary way. You know,
<v Speaker 3>they're there. They feel that they're they're perceived immortality or
<v Speaker 3>their privileged position in the cosmos is being challenged by
<v Speaker 3>by science, and so the mature ones revise their view.
<v Speaker 3>They retain their belief in God, but but accept science.
<v Speaker 3>And but many don't, you know, they just stick to
<v Speaker 3>what they have already.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, well all right, one more question then I'll
<v Speaker 1>let you go. But I mean this is kind of
<v Speaker 1>a big one too. What do you what is your
<v Speaker 1>take on the human species and human nature? I guess
<v Speaker 1>and and and any hope for it? You know, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>if you were describing us to some you know, other species,
<v Speaker 1>intelligent species, how would you how would you describe where
<v Speaker 1>we're at right now at this point in human civilization?
<v Speaker 3>O god, I mean, it's we're really at some kind
<v Speaker 3>of a weird turning point because you know, the information
<v Speaker 3>age where the rate at which we're progressing technologically, it's
<v Speaker 3>a rate of it's a rate of progress that's just
<v Speaker 3>you know, without precedent prior. Right you look at you know,
<v Speaker 3>agricultural revolution, industrial revolution, they're separated by long periods of time.
<v Speaker 3>But now we're seeing and then AI is going to
<v Speaker 3>get it going and take take matters into its own hands.
<v Speaker 3>We're going to see that knee of the curve. We're
<v Speaker 3>going to see, you know, that that acceleration of progress
<v Speaker 3>to a point where it's not even recognizable or perceptible
<v Speaker 3>to humans anymore.
<v Speaker 5>And I don't know what we're going to do.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if we're going to merge with technology,
<v Speaker 3>or if technology is going to enslave us, or what
<v Speaker 3>is going to happen.
<v Speaker 5>Humans are bizarre creatures.
<v Speaker 3>We are simultaneously so brilliant and so fucking stupid, Like
<v Speaker 3>with the things that we do, the art that we create,
<v Speaker 3>the things that we discover and invent, our breathtaking I mean,
<v Speaker 3>we're figuring out ways to explore the cosmos, and yet
<v Speaker 3>the way the masses behave are just kind of sickened
<v Speaker 3>me sometimes. And I don't I don't know how to
<v Speaker 3>rectify this dichotomy. I think I'm less optimistic honestly than
<v Speaker 3>I was a decade ago. I used to be more
<v Speaker 3>of an optimist. Now I don't know. I feel like
<v Speaker 3>utopia dystopia is a flip of the coin where we're
<v Speaker 3>standing right now, And uh, I'll do what I can. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I need more people to help, so yeah.
<v Speaker 1>It's I think it'll be the social our social behavior
<v Speaker 1>that gets us our group think, you know, but our
<v Speaker 1>conformitive But anyway, well, Professor Dave, thank you so much
<v Speaker 1>for being down to do this.
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate you.
<v Speaker 1>Keep doing what you're doing. And uh, where can you
<v Speaker 1>just want to tell people you got a website too,
<v Speaker 1>or is it just the YouTube channel or what? Where
<v Speaker 1>can people check you out?
<v Speaker 3>That's just the channel, yeah, professor explained, it just goes
<v Speaker 3>to the YouTube channel.
<v Speaker 2>Professor. They've explained.
<v Speaker 1>All right, man, thank you so much, really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me.
<v Speaker 2>I have a going but