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I will say Lisa's had a very
difficult and no communication

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situation with her dad for a
long time, so it could be really

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weird for her to go to and sit
by his bedside. I understood

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that part, and I think that, you
know, obviously that's not what

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Larsa and Lisa are fighting
about, and I agree that I think

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the way that Lisa threw her out
of her house, I thought that was

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pretty awful, because she did it
so publicly and yelled and just

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kept saying, there's the door,
there's the

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door, and Larsa seemingly didn't
want to leave, like it looked

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like she was trying to resolve
it with because it looked like

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she was crying in the bathroom.
Mickey.

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Welcome to cocktails and gossip,
the podcast where we drink

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cocktails, but you better
believe we're going to spill the

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tape. We chat reality TV
celebrity blinds and the hottest

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tea from Bravo and cocktails.com
and as always, it's all alleged.

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And just for fun, we do not
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I'm Amanda. Let's get into this
week's tea.

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What's up cocktail ers, hello,
Amanda. Hi

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everyone. Hi B so we have a
little bit of a different but

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very exciting episode for you
guys. So just a little bit of a

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different format, I guess we'll
put it that way. So we'll catch

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you guys up on what's been going
on with Bravo, especially on

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Miami since it's premiered,
since we've last talked, but we

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were lucky enough to get an
extra special guest to come chat

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with us, Justin Anderson, so you
guys know him as he is a great

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social media personality. You
might have met him for the first

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time as Kristen cavallaris, best
friend I love. I get so much joy

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out of just laughing with him at
his hilarious Instagram. He's an

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entrepreneur. He is an amazing
colorist. Who is he's partially

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retired. He'll tell us about
that in the interview. So

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unfortunately, because of
graduation, season B was at a

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graduation during the time when
he could record with us, so

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Tracy and I got to do the
interview, and you guys

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definitely watch honestly.
Cavalieri, it's so good. I

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called it like candy when we did
the interview, and Justin

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actually promised us that there
will be some really good tea

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coming in the later episodes.
And I also wanted to say because

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we talk about the Karen Reed
trial we had, we interviewed him

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last week. So for those of you
guys who are following the trial

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or care about the trial,
yesterday, Karen Reed was found

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innocent on all charges except
for DUI,

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the most expensive DUI in
history. And I know that we

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touched on it here and Amanda,
and I didn't know too much. And

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then after we touched on it, I
watched the special. I forget if

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the special was on Netflix or
max body in the snow, and I

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watched some of the YouTube
stuff. So I did get to know the

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case, not as intimately. I mean,
some of you guys know it very

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intimately, and I was so happy.
I think most people were so

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happy, she was found innocent. I
had one person DM me and say, I

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think she did it. And my
response to that is, whenever I

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watch these things, there's
always back and forth, right?

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But to convict somebody, it has
to be beyond a reasonable doubt,

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right? And in my opinion, it is.
I don't believe she hit him, but

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even if you think she may have,
there's still reasonable doubt.

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And the sad thing is that, will
John O'Keefe sounds like you

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went out. Oh, there you are.
Will John O'Keefe get justice?

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Because whoever did this, like
as an example, she got that DUI.

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So are they gonna go back and
give all the people, the cops

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and the wives DUIs that were
driving they all had their

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license suspended? Are we gonna
go back? And, I mean, a lot of

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the evidence, I think, was
destroyed, but are we gonna go

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back and look into any of this?
Or does it just end with Karen

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Reed?

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I don't know. I Yeah, that was
my it is the American way,

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right, that you are innocent
until proven guilty. And I just

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seeing what I've seen from the
case. I'm the same. I'm not

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watching Court TV every day, but
I've been following it really

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carefully. There is plenty of
reasonable doubt in my mind, and

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it does not I don't think she
did it. I feel my heart goes out

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to the family who still has not
seen justice for who actually

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did it. And I

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actually asked that's, like, the
hardest part, especially it is

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that she's free. I'm like, that
part is great, but his poor

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family,

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yeah, well, and I asked Justin
actually during the interview,

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which you guys will hear. I
said, you know, if she's found

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innocent, do you think that
anybody will actually go and

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follow some of the leads that
everyone is seeing, as you know,

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all this other evidence that
there could have been multiple

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other suspects in this case,
right? Well, I mean, you guys

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will hear a little bit more, but
I there's, there's, there's a

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doubt just it. I think this case
has raised so much visibility

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into how much corruption is
there, and so I really hope that

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at least you know the corruption
will be, somebody will work

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through the corruption to still
find who killed who killed this

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man? I so

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hearing about the corruption,
and again, I don't want to make

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assumptions that it's
widespread. It's it's really

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based on what locals have DMD me
and said to me, right? But I do

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know because I have good friends
of mine that live in Boston and

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the surrounding areas. It's very
much like a big little town. So

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it's very interesting to see how
all these people are, like,

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interweaved and all of that.
Yeah, one thing I want to say,

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and then we'll wrap it up,
because I know you and Justin

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spoke about it, is something
that annoys me, is people are

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like, Oh well, she's not
likable. Well, number one, that

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doesn't matter. Nobody ever
talks about if men are likable

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when they're fighting for their
freedom, and life. But second of

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all, to me, what stood out to me
with her disposition and how she

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was was that she was innocent.
And the reason I say that is

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because she seems like a woman
who was pissed about being

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framed for something she didn't
do. Nothing about her. To me,

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said guilt, nothing about her.
To me said trying to put on an

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act that she's this sweet
person, like, I feel like, God

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forbid, I should be accused of
something I didn't do. I would

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be the same way, like, yeah, I
didn't do this. This is

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bullshit. Look at all these
people who didn't show up to his

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wake, who don't have ring camera
footage, who got rid of their

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dog, who Googled how long to die
in the snow, who sold their

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home,

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their house, yeah, sold the
scene of the crime, and I'm

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sitting here, yeah, I don't
think I'd be likable too, so and

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I just never went inside the
house like I just there's so

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many things I agree I

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would be pissed off too. So I
feel like people saying she's

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not likable to me is the thing
that makes her look the most

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innocent, because she's pissed.
A guilty person isn't pissed.

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Yeah, yeah. So just my two
cents. But we gotta talk Miami.

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If you guys are watching, you're
crazy. And I said this on

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Instagram, you did not need to
go back. Just pick it up from

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this season, and you're gonna
love it so much. You will go

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back, but it's not necessary,

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right? I completely agree. And
you guys know, like, bravo, does

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not pay us. It's just that good
of a show. And I, like my

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husband, had never watched it,
and I was like, I'll catch you

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up. Like, I don't think you
know, you don't need to. Like,

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I'll tell you who everybody is.
But he was able to pick it up,

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literally just watching the
first episode. And, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. So okay, I feels like
everyone's got beef and

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everybody's got drama. We're
seeing rifts where we have not

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seen them in the past. So let's
start with Lisa and Larsa. We

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had posted while they were not
filming that Larsa was pissed

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off at Lisa because Lisa and her
boyfriend, Jodi, had been seen

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multiple times hanging out with
Marcus Jordan, who is Lars ex.

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We had gotten some insider intel
about this, so we knew that this

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was a beef that was was brewing
this season, and we sure have

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seen it.

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You know, I think, generally
speaking, we've always been team

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Lisa, and watching these last
two episodes, it's really

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becoming more clear to me that
that was a result of us feeling

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bad for her with Lenny, because
I'm not caring for her in this

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fight, and I'm generally not
team Larsa. Yeah, you know, you

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know, all the reasons, right,
but I think Lisa is dead wrong

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in this situation. And I don't
like how she acted at the party

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and then in the Sprinter van,
which we'll get to in France,

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you know, she took no
accountability, like she was

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kind of like, well, like my
boyfriend wants to hang out with

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him, so, like, whatever I left.
First of all, that's not even

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100% true. She didn't leave, or
maybe initially she did, and

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then when Larsa found out about
that time, she just went to full

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hanging out with Marcus. It
seemed to me also that Lisa

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seemed very off, and I wouldn't
say drunk, altered by something

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I don't know, but

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when she's like, I love my life
and every let's celebrate

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everything being good. Like she
seemed a little manic, yeah, I

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don't

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know if it was pill popping. I
don't know if it was snowing. I

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don't know what it was. It
rubbed me the wrong way. Her

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entitled attitude rubbed me the
other way. I completely can

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appreciate that Lisa cannot
dictate who her boyfriend Jodi

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hangs out with. Yes, but it was
more than that. It's the way she

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was so indignant about it not
unfollowing him, she was spotted

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again. Like, like, you said more
than once, yeah, she tried to

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play it like, oh, I ran away
from there. I They're in the

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social scene. They're gonna see
Marcus. I don't know. I believe

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Larsa when she says that Jodi
likes Marcus, his last name. I

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think Lisa probably also does.
They both appear to be social

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climbers. I don't usually agree
with Larson. In this case, she

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was in a long term relationship.
She showed the text where he was

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saying threatening things to her
about her family. Larsa has

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stood by Lisa, especially
throughout her divorce with

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Lenny, and she deserves better

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than that. I agree with you. I
generally have not been a big

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Larsa fan, and I actually think
she was kind of mean to Lisa a

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little bit during Lisa's hardest
times during her divorce.

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However, I could not agree more
that like if Larsa and Lisa

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consider themselves good
friends, Lisa can't control who

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her boyfriend hangs out with,
but she can control herself. And

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it does seem like Larsa is
pretty much saying like this is

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a clout chasing situation. And I
think it's one thing to be civil

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when you all run into each other
at a restaurant, but quite

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another to continue to go and
hang out. And I would also, I

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kind of want to revisit a
conversation we had. I don't

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know we've had this maybe once
or twice on the pod, but now we

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have a new lens to discuss it
through. When a couple breaks up

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and you stay friends with one of
the people in the couple, do you

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follow? Do you unfollow the
other person?

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And this is always dependent on
the situation, of course, and

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how amicable it was in this
situation, I would most

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definitely unfollow Marcus. I
think if Jodi's friends are with

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him at a club, because I believe
Larson when she says, Jodi, you

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guys were not friends like your
acquaintances. You know him

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through me, right? You know if
Jodi wants to go over say hi and

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chat, that's not Lisa's problem,
nor can she control it, but her

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sitting in a booth in a VIP
section having drink service as

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Marcus is with a new woman,
that's not okay. I would not

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behave that way. We see them, so
now we see them get to France.

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It's like pure comedy that
they're in the same sprinter,

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obviously set up by production.
This is not an all inclusive

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Cancun resort, where everyone
hops in the same bus, and Lars

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is there. Her son, Preston is
walking in the Philip fine

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fashion show, which, by the way,
Philip fine is also the ex

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boyfriend of Morgan from Bad
Girls Club, who Lenny had a

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quote, unquote emotional affair
with years ago. So, oh, right,

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yes, they're all very
interconnected. And Lisa is

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walking. So there they are in
the same car. They promise not

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to get into it, and within
moments, they get into it.

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Preston is in the front seat.
Jody's really showing his ass. I

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didn't like his disposition and
like how he was. He has all the

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skiing rumors where he said, In
the first episode, you want to

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go in there for some AC, which
people are saying means adult

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candy. Lisa denied it. Then he
posted something that was like,

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kind of a denial. But also, like
everybody in Miami does it, and

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I'm an adult, so if I was son of
your business, which is true,

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but you know, and we're just
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that's fine. So Larson says to
Lisa, you know, you said

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everyone knows who you are,
like, who am I? Lisa, we're

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friends for 15 years. I'm the
mother to four children. I'm an

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entrepreneur. I'm a good friend
to you. What did you mean by

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that? Yeah, at that point, we
all say things in anger.

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Everyone has done it at that
point, Lisa should have said, I,

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you know, I had had too much to
drink. I was angry in the

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moment. Of course, I don't
believe that I shouldn't have

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said that. Yes, I'm upset with
you, but I don't believe that

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she did not. She doubled down.
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father's sick, and Lars goes,
Great. So why are you here now?

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Listen, wasn't the nicest thing
to Lars to say, but in light of

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the fact that Lisa wasn't
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saying, essentially, what did
she mean by that, that she was a

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ho, right? You know what? Yeah,
what are you doing if I'm Larsa,

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right? I understand it was a low
blow, but if I'm Larsa in that

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moment, yeah, your dad's so
sick. What I should give you

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grace. What are you doing here
to walk in a fashion show? Maybe

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you should be in Canada with
your father. So

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I will say Lisa's had a very
difficult and no communication

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situation with her dad for a
long time, so it could be really

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weird for her to go to and sit
by his bedside, right? I agree.

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So I understand, I understood
that part, and I think that, you

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know, obviously that's not what
Larsa and Lisa are fighting

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about. And I agree that they I
think the way that Lisa threw

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her out of our house, I thought
that was pretty awful, because

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she did it so publicly. And
yelled, and just kept saying,

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there's the door, there's the
door.

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And Lars seemingly didn't want
to leave, like it looked like

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she was trying to resolve it
with because it looked like she

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was crying in the bathroom.
Makiki, yeah, and I think she

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was like, why is Lisa acting
like this? Like she should be a

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I think Lars expectation was
that Lisa would say, I'm really

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sorry. Listen, Jodi likes
hanging out with Marcus, I will,

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I will make sure, I will
unfollow him, and I will make

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sure that if he is around, I
don't hang out with him. Like, I

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really can't control Jody. I'll
mention to him, like, Yeah,

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let's not hang with him. But she
didn't do any of that. She just

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was making it worse. Like,
basically, Larson was upset

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about it, and she was like,
tough shit. Yeah, you

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So that's where I'm like, is she
just doing this for a storyline,

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or

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is she so I think that we have
forgotten how self absorbed Lisa

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Hochstein is, yeah, as a result
of Lenny being such a piece of

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shit, and her having two young
children and having to go

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through that, and then the
mother in law going against her.

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And I think that we forgot or
missed those that are newer to

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the series, that we've been very
critical of Larsa being self

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absorbed, which don't mistake me
she is, but birds of a feather

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flock together, and they are two
people who really live in their

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own worlds. In this case, at
least Larsa went against Lenny

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and was outspoken about it and
all of that. Like, yeah, very

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disappointed in Lisa, and I'm
not liking what we're seeing

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with Jodi either? Like, I don't
know. I'm just not liking the

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whole vibe. Somebody said to me,
doesn't Jody remind you of, oh

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god, why can't I think of it?
It's on the tip of my head,

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another new boyfriend.

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Well, while you're thinking of
that, I will just say too. Like,

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none of us really like it when
the boyfriends or the husbands

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get too involved, and I, I,
yeah, I don't really care for

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the way that Jodi, that Jodi is
acting, either. So okay, in

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happy news, we see that Marisol
and Steve finally get married,

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because we've seen them do
ceremonies every year, but I

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guess none of them were legal.
So I think they're really cute,

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and I understand like, I get
like I like that they that they

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are doing that, and that we get
to see them happy, but we also

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see Marisol talking to Steve
about how she doesn't like

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Alexia. When Alexia is with
Todd, that Alexia is defensive,

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that she's on edge, which brings
us to that split. So Alexia and

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Todd, the announcement or the
news, I guess, about him filing

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for divorce happened a few
months before they started

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filming. They must have picked
up cameras to just get the

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immediate reaction. Action,
which we have done about Yeah.

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So then the later, you know,
three months later, however,

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many months later, when they
start filming in earnest, Alexia

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tells the ladies that he that
Todd the night before, or right

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before, he filed for divorce. He
took her out for a dinner, said,

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you know, pick wherever you want
to go. They came home. Had great

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sex. The next day, she had to go
somewhere, and then he kind of

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rushed her out of the house. And
while she was gone, packed up

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everything. I guess his
daughters were helping him, and

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did all this in front of
Frankie, her son, who is such a

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sweetheart and has he has a
traumatic brain injury due to a

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terrible accident from when he
was a child, and so he has

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special needs due to his
disability. So can't wait to get

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your thoughts on this, but one,
I cannot believe that Todd did

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that in front of Frankie. I
think that really shows for who

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he is. And then we've seen in
episode two, that that's Alexia,

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that is the thing that she is
still the most upset about,

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which is understandable. And
then two, I think something is

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fishy. I don't know that. I
believe that everything went

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down the way that Alexia is
saying that it did. Because I

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feel like if somebody did
something that terrible to me

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and my child, I would follow the
page to Sorbo route, and that

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person's name would never come
out of my mouth again.

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Yeah. Okay, I have whiplash too,
because in the second episode,

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first you see her on a walk with
Julia, and she's like, well, he

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filed, but he hasn't done
anything, and now he has 30

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days, and I hope he doesn't do
it, then she's at dinner with

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her friends, and she's cursing
him out, and she even says, We

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have nothing real. We have a
fake apartment that we rent, a

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fake car that we rent. So I'm
dying to know why she was

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staying with him after he filed
Why did she want to work this

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out? She's clearly going back
and forth because she had that

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blow up when her friend was in
from Spain, when they went out

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to dinner, and then we know she
was with him up until a couple

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weeks ago. In real time, we had
heard the divorce was largely

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financial, but clearly there's
more to it than that. I don't

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believe this was a made up
storyline that doesn't make any

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sense to me. I agree. I don't
think she would throw the

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Frankie into the narrative, I
just that's not a thing. She is

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not an Oscar award winning
actress that could even pull

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that off. I never understood the
Todd of it all. It makes sense

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if it's financial, but then at
dinner, she was saying that

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everything's fake. But does Todd
some way allow her to have a

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lifestyle she couldn't otherwise
afford, even if his money is a

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little scammy or not on the up
and up or whatever, is she able

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to buy the fancy stuff, and is
that why she sticks around? I

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don't know. I do know that in
real time, on Watch What Happens

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Live, she said she wasn't with
him. A source told me that as

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she's watching these episodes
back, she is like, I'm done with

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him. But in all honesty, she
said this before, I mean, in the

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same episode, seemingly filmed
within the same week. So I just

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think she's in a toxic
situation. This is her third

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marriage. Maybe she's tired,
maybe she doesn't want to look

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for someone else, and she
doesn't want to be alone. So my

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theory, and I listened to her
podcast with myself after the

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breakup, and, I mean, she was
sobbing on the show, and this

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is, I don't know, five a week
later, after, you know, so

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she's, it's now completely raw,
and she was legitimately very

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upset. And so I think there was
something that was coming bad,

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that was coming down the pipe
for Todd, and that's why he made

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that you'll be happy about this
decision comment, I think she

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actually really loves him, and I
think that he probably was one

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of those people who was really
good at making himself seem

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rich, and then once they Get
married, she finds out that he's

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not, and so I think I don't know
that he's probably even able to

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help her. I think that she is
just so in love, and they kept

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calling him a narcissist. And if
he is truly a narcissist, then

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what she is feeling might not be
might think she might feel like

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it's love, but it's a bad kind
of attachment. It could be that,

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because it doesn't seem to me
like I agree with you, that

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everything the way that she
said, it does seem like it

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happened, and then I don't, but
I don't think that there's

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enough money there to keep her
there, even when he's done

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terrible things to her. I think
that that's all true. I think

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that there may be enough money
for her to think he had money,

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right? Listen, what I will say
is it looks like every episode

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is going to be crazy. Yeah. I
mean, we have the Gertie and the

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Julia beef, which, to me, is
sort of silly. I really feel

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that Julia. Reaching for a
storyline. Here she came out and

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said that the boys were not
fully adopted, which is the

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reason she didn't want to show
them. So while she can talk

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about them, that's not a
storyline. So in my

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opinion, she fabricated this
beef with Gertie. We do know

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that she ends up falling out
with Adriana and does get a real

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storyline. I kind of feel bad
for Gertie at this moment,

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because she's not really without
Dr Nicole there, who, by the

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way, his absence is very much
missed for me. Yeah, and you

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could see that Stephanie is not
yet filming. I do think that

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Gertie ends up probably first
not wanting to be super tight

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with Stephanie, but probably
warming up to her, because she

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really, you know, if she doesn't
have Julia, she's not really

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that tight with the other women.
So there is a scene with where

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Dr Nicole and her have lunch,
which we had told you guys that

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Dr Nicole does film a little
bit, not with the group, just

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with Gertie. And I think that
clip where Nicole goes, well, we

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must have some stuff in common,
because the same man liked us

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both. I think that's Gertie
saying to her, like, I hope

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you're not, like, mad at me, but
I actually kind of like

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Stephanie, and I think Nicole
was like, no, like, it's fine.

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Obviously, she's a cool girl.
Anthony liked her, yeah? Which

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is, like, that's a, that's a
kind of conversation. But like,

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I feel the same way, like, I
know, like, this is a totally

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random story, but there was this
girl that liked my husband

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before we were together. And I
remember a friend was like,

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first of all, like, she's
married and whatever. And her

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friend was like, you like, so
and so, so much. And I'm like,

426
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:36,019
and my husband like, turn I'm
like, Yeah, because I actually

427
00:26:36,019 --> 00:26:38,299
like her a lot. She's somebody I
would be friends with. She's

428
00:26:38,299 --> 00:26:41,739
very cool. And I was like, and
that makes sense. Like, my I

429
00:26:41,739 --> 00:26:44,379
should believe that my husband
has good taste in women, right?

430
00:26:44,379 --> 00:26:47,739
Like, why wouldn't I think
Right, right? Like, so, like, I

431
00:26:47,739 --> 00:26:50,739
understand the natural animosity
that somebody would have

432
00:26:50,739 --> 00:26:53,499
initially, but it makes total
sense that if Nicole were to

433
00:26:53,499 --> 00:26:56,319
film with Stephanie, she'd
probably like her. They probably

434
00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:59,799
have similar ways and values and
all of those things. Because,

435
00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:00,479
right, yeah. I mean,

436
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,260
I completely agree with you.
Without going into too much

437
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,360
detail, I have been in a similar
situation. I'll just say it. I

438
00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:16,080
met my ex husband's girlfriend
at the time, and she was lovely.

439
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,200
And because I'm like, she's
gonna be around my kid, I have

440
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,720
no reason to dislike her unless
she gives me a reason, and she

441
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,020
was absolutely lovely. I don't
know. I think it's I don't, I

442
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:31,760
don't really quite understand it
when people get so so weird. I

443
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,220
could see if, if Stephanie was
rude or awful right to Nicole or

444
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:41,140
anybody, but if she's not, then
why does that make us need to

445
00:27:41,140 --> 00:27:44,020
assume that we aren't gonna like
her either, just because we like

446
00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:44,440
Nicole.

447
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,020
And I think it kind of gives us
hope that Nicole would come

448
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:49,660
back, because Stephanie's also
married, I think it would be

449
00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:52,600
totally different. I hate to say
it, but like if the girl was

450
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,420
single, but like, if the girl's
married and happy in her new

451
00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:58,000
relationship, and you guys are
married and happy with your kids

452
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,660
in your new relationship, then
why can't we all be friends?

453
00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:05,760
Yeah, I completely agree. We
love you guys. Stay tuned,

454
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,640
because after this, you're gonna
hear the awesome interview with

455
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,660
Justin Anderson that Amanda and
Tracy. Did we love you guys?

456
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:13,500
Bye.

457
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,840
Hey, cocktail ers, so B is on a
flight right now. Our lovely

458
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:34,040
Tracy has joined us. Hi Amanda.
Hi cocktail ers. And I hate to

459
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,060
tell you guys this, but we've
been keeping a secret from you

460
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,980
because I don't know. We never
like to talk about it before. We

461
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:46,180
have a really awesome guest on,
just because we never want to

462
00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:50,800
jinx it. So today we have a very
special guest. I think you guys

463
00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:55,000
are going to be super psyched,
and you're going to just leave

464
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,180
this conversation smiling,
because in the two minutes that

465
00:28:58,420 --> 00:29:03,840
we have already been chatting, I
am smiling ear to ear. So today

466
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,820
we have Justin Anderson. You
guys will know him from his new

467
00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:13,380
show honestly, cavalari with
Kristen Cavallari on e and

468
00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:18,120
Peacock, as well as from his
success as a hair colorist to

469
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,440
the stars and of course, through
his social media, which, if

470
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,760
you're not following Him, pull
out your phone, follow him at

471
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,200
Justin Anderson on Instagram,
where we get to see slices of

472
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,040
his life with his sweet partner,
scoot their dogs, Clark and

473
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,200
Kevin and of course, my favorite
Justin has hot takes on

474
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,080
everything from TV to mean
people to the internet to true

475
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,160
crime. Justin Anderson, welcome
to cocktails and gossip.

476
00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:50,980
Oh my god, this is so excited to
be here. I feel like you and I

477
00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:54,340
have, like, been friends for so
long. This is just like, full

478
00:29:54,340 --> 00:29:55,060
circle. I

479
00:29:55,059 --> 00:29:59,919
love it. I know, like, suck goes
down in the DMS. I feel like.

480
00:30:00,239 --> 00:30:03,299
And we're just, we're excited to
have you today,

481
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,119
yeah, because I'm like,
obviously a super Bravo fan.

482
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:09,299
And, like, years ago, I like,
Well, I was just telling you

483
00:30:09,299 --> 00:30:11,699
this before we got on here. I'm
like, I'm one of those people,

484
00:30:11,699 --> 00:30:14,879
like, always has to get to the
truth. Or, like, I hate anything

485
00:30:14,879 --> 00:30:17,999
that, like, is, like, a lie or
whatever. So I've like, messaged

486
00:30:17,999 --> 00:30:20,359
you about like, things that I
know for real in the DMS. And

487
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:22,519
the DMS, and you're like, wait,
like, when we first start

488
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:24,739
messaging, you're like, Wait, is
this really Justin? I'm like,

489
00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:26,959
yes, so I want to tell you the
truth about everything that's

490
00:30:26,959 --> 00:30:29,779
happening with this situation.
So we've been friends for a long

491
00:30:30,139 --> 00:30:34,699
Oh my gosh. I just love it. And
I'm like, use my name, but this

492
00:30:34,699 --> 00:30:36,799
is the actual truth. This is
what happened.

493
00:30:37,219 --> 00:30:41,559
So guys, you know, sometimes
we'll say and we have

494
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,759
information from a source this,
Justin, may or may not have been

495
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:49,539
one of our sources on some of
our tea on, I am

496
00:30:49,539 --> 00:30:53,079
the source. I talk way too much.
It's like a problem, but I'll

497
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,439
never think be that I don't know
the actual truth about like,

498
00:30:56,439 --> 00:30:58,959
it's so funny right now because
of the new show, honestly, kept

499
00:30:58,959 --> 00:31:01,259
Cavalier like a lot, whenever
you do like a show like a show

500
00:31:01,259 --> 00:31:03,839
like that, a lot of people want
to talk on podcasts and stuff,

501
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,959
and I get nervous because, like,
I say two boss. So I'm like, I

502
00:31:06,959 --> 00:31:09,659
can't really do other people's
podcasts, because I, like, get

503
00:31:09,659 --> 00:31:13,859
myself in trouble all the time.
This is a safe space, like the

504
00:31:13,859 --> 00:31:16,859
first of safe from a safe space.
But I'm like, I want to do it. I

505
00:31:16,859 --> 00:31:17,519
love Bravo. Oh

506
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:23,059
my gosh. Well, we have to return
the compliment, because we been

507
00:31:23,059 --> 00:31:27,079
watching, honestly, Cavalera is
it? I struggle? Cavalari,

508
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:28,519
Cavallari, I hear both.

509
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:32,119
It's Cavalier. People always
like, want to make it more like,

510
00:31:32,179 --> 00:31:35,539
different than it actually is.
Just straight up, Cavalier.

511
00:31:35,779 --> 00:31:37,819
Kristen, Cavalier, yeah,

512
00:31:37,819 --> 00:31:41,499
I have to say, congrats on the
show. It's, it's so good. It's

513
00:31:41,499 --> 00:31:46,059
like, candy. Just you get cm in
the show. You're like, Wait, it

514
00:31:46,059 --> 00:31:47,979
wasn't long enough. That wasn't
enough.

515
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,580
I like that. You said candy.
Because when we first saw the

516
00:31:51,580 --> 00:31:54,220
first two episodes, when a show
like that happens, you have no

517
00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:56,380
idea, obviously, how they're
going to edit and put it

518
00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:59,200
together. And Kristen really
agreed to do this show because

519
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,580
it was, like, a very she was
like, I want this to be so real,

520
00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:04,740
like, I want it to feel like
you're just, like, following,

521
00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:07,020
like, a half an hour of
whatever, and like, nothing is

522
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:10,020
like a scripted whatever. So we
were, like, really nervous when

523
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:13,020
we first saw the two episodes,
and I watched it with my husband

524
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:15,540
and my sister, who's one of my
best friends, and both of them

525
00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:17,520
said that they're like, oh my
god, this is the kind of show

526
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,120
that you want more of. And I
think it's because, like, so

527
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,000
much happens in a half an hour,
and it all feels just really

528
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,660
fun. And it's like playful that
I'm really excited about the

529
00:32:26,660 --> 00:32:29,480
show, and I feel like reality TV
has kind of been missing that

530
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,400
for a little while, you know,
like, just that real, like

531
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:35,240
spontaneous, real friendships,
real fun. So thank you for

532
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,320
saying that. I feel the same
way.

533
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:41,259
Yes, oh my god, it's so good.
Listen, I lived for you outing

534
00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:45,699
the hook up between Kristen and
Glen Powell. Like the image of

535
00:32:45,699 --> 00:32:50,259
them dry humping is like, that's
what I needed to get me through

536
00:32:50,259 --> 00:32:54,159
my life right now. So question
is, did you say it and have

537
00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:57,639
like, an oh shit moment? Or were
you like, I know my best friend,

538
00:32:57,639 --> 00:33:00,839
she's not gonna be that mad at
the end of the day. Well, it is

539
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:01,019
one

540
00:33:01,019 --> 00:33:03,539
of those things, like, what I
was just saying about, like, I

541
00:33:03,539 --> 00:33:07,139
don't hold back. And I really
come from that place of, if

542
00:33:07,139 --> 00:33:09,779
something happened, who cares?
We're all adults, like,

543
00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:14,879
whatever. So Kristen was like,
oh shit. And her publicist, Jack

544
00:33:14,879 --> 00:33:17,459
was there, and he, like,
wouldn't even look at me when I

545
00:33:17,459 --> 00:33:20,039
walk backstage. But it was one
of those things where, in my

546
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,179
mind, like, let's say it was
something terrible that I didn't

547
00:33:23,179 --> 00:33:25,339
want people to know. Like, I
wouldn't say it because I'm,

548
00:33:25,339 --> 00:33:28,099
like, obsessed with Kristen. I
would jump in front of a bus for

549
00:33:28,099 --> 00:33:30,679
Kristen. So for me, I'm like,
she hooked up with Glen Powell.

550
00:33:30,679 --> 00:33:33,199
Is that a bad thing? Like, he's
hot. It was fun. They're two

551
00:33:33,199 --> 00:33:35,779
adults. What's the big deal? Or
whatever. But yeah, like, maybe

552
00:33:35,779 --> 00:33:38,659
the dry humping wasn't like, the
best words to use. Like, even

553
00:33:38,659 --> 00:33:41,679
today, somebody on Instagram
just sent me, like, a media

554
00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:44,679
clipping that said, like,
Kristin cavaleria says she dry

555
00:33:44,679 --> 00:33:47,799
humped Gwen Powell. Like, that's
what they write in the article.

556
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:50,379
I'm like, That's so
embarrassing, and that's all me.

557
00:33:50,919 --> 00:33:53,919
So, yeah, there's a lot of stuff
like that. I mean, there's just,

558
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:57,339
like this show too, as it goes
on, like, stuff comes out that,

559
00:33:57,339 --> 00:34:00,039
like, I'm actually a little bit
nervous about, so we'll see.

560
00:34:00,459 --> 00:34:04,979
Well, I can, I personally find
that dry humping is a lost art.

561
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:05,879
So I'm,

562
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,420
I grew up like Mormon. I was
like, a full on Mormon growing

563
00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:12,120
up, so we, like, talked about
dry humping all the time. And I

564
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,180
didn't realize how stupid of a
phrase that is, but it's like,

565
00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:17,160
yeah, when you don't go all the
way, you just you're dry

566
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:17,820
humping, right?

567
00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:21,620
Yeah, exactly. Totally. It's so
good. It's so good. I mean,

568
00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:26,060
since you're feeling open right
now, any other A listers, any

569
00:34:26,060 --> 00:34:29,840
other tea you want to spill with
us right now? Oh, any other or

570
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,920
from the show.

571
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,040
Oh, in the show, there are,
there's people coming on. I

572
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,440
really don't want to read
anything, just because I want

573
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,720
people to have, like, surprises,
because there's very few

574
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:41,180
surprises in life anymore. But
there's people coming on, like,

575
00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:43,180
there's a couple things that,
like, kind of clear. Kind of

576
00:34:43,180 --> 00:34:45,040
clear the air that I think
people are gonna be like, oh

577
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,040
shit. And I do think,
unfortunately, in the Bravo

578
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,500
world, like it's gonna start a
little bit of shit, because it's

579
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:55,960
stuff that people question for a
while. And Chris, very much told

580
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,420
the truth, very much told the
truth, and I think it's gonna

581
00:34:58,420 --> 00:35:01,140
start some stuff. And it bums me
out. Because there's nothing

582
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,040
mean about it, but the truth
will come out on like some fun

583
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,180
things, yes,

584
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:11,040
well, we love to hear that also.
On last night's episode, we

585
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,820
learned that Harry jouss sent
Kristen a dick pic, and since

586
00:35:14,820 --> 00:35:18,780
you're her BFF, you got to see
it. So can you describe it in

587
00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:22,100
three words for our listeners
and my horny, pregnant self.

588
00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:31,220
It is beautiful, girthy, and
it's just like, a healthy,

589
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:34,580
beautiful looking penis, like, I
just love, just like a pretty

590
00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:37,220
penis. Like, a lot of times
penises aren't pretty. It's

591
00:35:37,220 --> 00:35:39,500
funny, though, because
obviously, like, I'm Kristen's

592
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,280
gay best friend, so like, I see
pretty much anything that's sent

593
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,860
to her. So anyone messaging
Kristen just know that I see

594
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:49,480
everything. And she had never,
she kind of held the dick pic

595
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,820
from me for a while, so when she
finally showed me, I'm like, how

596
00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:54,340
was I not the first person that
you ran to with this? Because it

597
00:35:54,340 --> 00:35:56,620
was just like, it's a real
beautiful penis, and he should

598
00:35:56,620 --> 00:36:01,620
be very proud of it. Oh, my
blast. God bless and now

599
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,380
everything makes sense. I always
think about this thing with

600
00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:07,080
guys, like, when guys have
obviously, he's a good looking

601
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,620
guy and he's tall, but when guys
have that real confidence that

602
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:13,020
come where you're kind of like,
how is that guy so confident?

603
00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:15,300
It's like, oh, because he has a
huge, beautiful dick. If you

604
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,340
have a big, pretty dick, like,
you're gonna walk around the

605
00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:18,420
world like you own it.

606
00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:21,680
Oh my god. I love that so much.
Oh

607
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,200
my gosh. And so you'll, I guess
you get to see all of the dick

608
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,720
pics that come Kristen's way. Do
you compare them?

609
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:35,600
Yeah, I kind of do. And I'm
usually like, the instigator,

610
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,360
where I'll be like, because I
don't think girls asked for dick

611
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,720
pics, but I always be like,
Kristen asked, and she's like,

612
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,900
Justin, I'm not asking them,
whatever. So yes, if it happens,

613
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:46,720
I'll probably end up seeing it.
I don't think that's a big

614
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,300
secret, but yeah, I'm her best
friend. Like, we share things or

615
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:52,420
whatever. I also think when
people send a dick pic, they're

616
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:54,640
obviously proud of it, and
they're probably not that

617
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,800
worried if, like, their best
friend sees it, because they're

618
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,900
like, whatever. It's pretty
like, I would show anyone my

619
00:36:58,900 --> 00:36:59,080
dick

620
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,620
Oh, my God, after after the
show, then we'll just go. We'll

621
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:07,500
pop back on camera. Enjoy the
eye. Don't threaten me with a

622
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:09,900
good time. Where is our HR

623
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:13,740
department? Oh my god, I repeat
the worst with HR departments.

624
00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:14,580
Oh my god.

625
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,880
Okay, so we know that you're a
Bravo super fan. So I feel like

626
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,440
it is only fair to ask the
question that you and Kristen

627
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,880
have asked guests on the show,
who is your least favorite

628
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,020
housewife, and why?

629
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:36,560
Oh my gosh. Okay, you want to
know. Here's something. This is

630
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,040
like me talking for real. Okay,
remember how I used to talk

631
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,300
nonstop about Bravo, because I
love Bravo. I watch it and I

632
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,660
will just talk about anything,
right? Well, it started turning

633
00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:49,000
into this thing where it's like,
and I know that you guys feel

634
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,600
this all the time. It's like,
the way people talk about Bravo

635
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,140
sometimes gets so dark and ugly.
Where I always come from a place

636
00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:58,960
of, like, it's entertainment. I
just want to, like, kind of have

637
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,140
fun with talking about Bravo.
And like, people get so

638
00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:04,320
passionate about so I kind of
stopped talking about Bravo

639
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,900
completely, because I just
couldn't handle, like, the DMS.

640
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:09,240
Like, even if I would say, like,
Oh, I love Lisa Rinna, people

641
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,280
would be like, I can't believe
you like her. You must be an

642
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,160
evil person. She's disgusting.
I'm like, you guys, calm down. A

643
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,520
lot of this is them acting like
a character on TV. And a lot of

644
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,740
these people, like, I have met,
I knew Lisa Rinna forever before

645
00:38:21,740 --> 00:38:24,080
the housewives or whatever. And
I know a lot of these people, so

646
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,240
like, even when I say I love
someone, it's like, because I

647
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,280
know them in person, and I know
that the way they're acting on

648
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,420
TV is different. So most all of
them that I've ever met, I

649
00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:34,640
really like them in person.
They're great people that are,

650
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,640
oh, my God, I'm trying to skirt
around the question I fucking

651
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:41,380
jet aid Jen Aiden's a fucking
knife. And, like, yeah, we have

652
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:44,440
like, this weird online beef or
whatever that happened, because

653
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,320
whatever it was, like, this
weird long story, and she tried

654
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,860
to call me out, and I was, like,
so confused by it. Anyways, I

655
00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:53,920
just don't like her. But beyond
that, it's like, it's usually

656
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,960
like, when people are I don't
like when there's, like, a

657
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,320
boring housewife. And by boring,
I mean, like, you can just kind

658
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,920
of tell they're checked out.
They're not really like engaging

659
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,100
with the cast. But beyond that,
like, there's not a lot of them

660
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:07,560
that, like, I hate, I think a
lot of them bring something to

661
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,440
the table. And lately, I can't
stand that. I feel like so many

662
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,440
people are so aware of what
they're gonna look like on

663
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,860
camera that we're not seeing who
they really are. And I feel like

664
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:19,680
that's an issue with housewives.
So like, when we I like the

665
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,640
housewives that just put
everything out there like Miami

666
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,260
is fucking insane. It's so good,
so much fun. From episode one

667
00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:30,200
all the way till the end. It's
just like you feel all these

668
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,800
women being exactly who they
are. Yeah, so who do I not like?

669
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:40,460
I agree. I gotta. I think most
of at least our cocktail folks

670
00:39:40,820 --> 00:39:45,400
feel the same way about Jen
Hayden. She just has like a

671
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,440
nasty edge to her, but,

672
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,020
and the thing is, too, like, I
actually always was kind of like

673
00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:52,960
she's fun at the beginning. And
so what essentially happened is

674
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,920
I met her at bravocon years ago,
and I was so nice to her,

675
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,920
because I don't have beef with
her, so I was so nice to her.

676
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,140
Whatever. And then after
something weird happened, and I

677
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:06,780
called out something weird that
I'd heard, that she did, like

678
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,180
all of us talk about, oh, did
you hear that? So and so did

679
00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:12,240
this. And then she messaged me,
like, why were you so nice to me

680
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:14,520
if you were to talk shit? And
I'm like, first of all, what did

681
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,620
you want me to do when I met
you? Just be rude to you.

682
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:20,540
Because I think you and I have
nothing whatever. So I think

683
00:40:20,540 --> 00:40:23,180
that just recently, that whole
thing that came out with her at

684
00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:25,520
the sandwich shop or whatever,
and the way she was talking to

685
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,400
the people, like, you know, that
whole thing that happened, yeah,

686
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,880
yeah. And everyone, it's like,
that's exactly who she is. She's

687
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,420
not a nice person. She thinks
people are beneath her. And so a

688
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:37,760
lot of times you don't have to
say anything, like, the truth

689
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,360
ends up coming out. We see
people's true colors. And I

690
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,300
think she's a fucking asshole
for, like, talking to somebody

691
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,840
at their workplace like that,
and I saw it firsthand too.

692
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,560
Whatever

693
00:40:47,620 --> 00:40:51,040
do you have any any all time
favorite host runs

694
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:55,540
all time favorites. It's so
funny, because when I say who My

695
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:58,420
favorites are, they're kind of
like, con, not controversial,

696
00:40:58,420 --> 00:41:01,320
but they're the ones that get
get everyone fired up, and it's

697
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,700
because I really like, like,
big, fun personalities to watch.

698
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,920
And I'll always say these
things, like, sometimes I'll

699
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,380
say, Oh, I love so and so like,
because I think they're fun to

700
00:41:10,380 --> 00:41:13,320
watch on TV. And people are
like, I can't believe that you

701
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,420
would like them. And I'm like,
Are you guys forgetting that?

702
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:18,420
Bravo is for our entertainment.
It doesn't mean that I want to

703
00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:21,620
live my life like this person or
like, I agree with every take

704
00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:24,320
that they have, but I like
really exciting big

705
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,380
personalities like Bethany
Frankel, forever will be one of

706
00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:30,140
my favorite housewives. I just
think she was, no matter what,

707
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:33,020
she was fun to watch. Do I
disagree with her sometimes,

708
00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:35,480
maybe actually I don't disagree
with her very often. I really

709
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,300
think that we're very similar
personality. So I like Bethany

710
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:41,620
Frankel a lot. I love lucirena.
I thought Lisa Rinna was

711
00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:45,220
fabulous TV. I love this.
Everyone gets so mad about this.

712
00:41:45,220 --> 00:41:49,300
I love Ramona. Singer, like, I
love watching Ramona. I think

713
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:52,660
that like watching somebody
who's that fucking delusional on

714
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:55,960
TV is so much fun. And I know
there was, like, this whole

715
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,360
thing where people, because
people bring like politics into

716
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,840
it, they're like, You can't give
someone like that a platform.

717
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:03,300
And I actually completely
disagree with that, because I

718
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:07,140
think the point of reality TV is
to see parts of life, good and

719
00:42:07,140 --> 00:42:10,500
bad that we like or we don't
like, and that's the reality of

720
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:13,680
the world. So when people say,
like, Oh, I heard that Ramona is

721
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,960
conservative or whatever they
were mad at her about, or she

722
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,080
might be racist or whatever, I'm
like, ramonas exist out there,

723
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,160
and if anything, we should be
watching and see like, Oh,

724
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,980
that's a perfect example of a
person that we don't want to be

725
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,640
like, we can't act whatever. Am
I making sense? Yes, as 100%

726
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:32,720
I like, I love that outlook.
Like, I always go back to like,

727
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:36,140
Stasi Schroeder and how they
didn't put her back on. Bravo.

728
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:39,740
But I was like, Don't you want
people to see her take the steps

729
00:42:39,740 --> 00:42:43,840
to make amends for what like,
isn't that the point? Yeah, like

730
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,940
learn. We need to learn. We need
to see.

731
00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:49,900
So I do not believe in that like
cancel culture at all,

732
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:53,980
especially in a world like Bravo
or reality TV. I want to see

733
00:42:53,980 --> 00:42:56,860
people mess up. I want to see
them mess up over and over. And

734
00:42:56,860 --> 00:43:00,360
I want to see how people around
them react on the show, because

735
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,360
that's how we actually learn. So
a lot of times the people that I

736
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,700
liked are like, those, those
personalities that kind of get

737
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:08,220
people fired up a bit, wait,
like, who else is? Like, another

738
00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:10,920
one that, like, I love, oh my
gosh, mine are all really bad,

739
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,220
because I really loved Candace
on Potomac, and I'm so bummed

740
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:17,880
that she's gone. So I really do
like the hooks that cause a lot

741
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,320
of waves. Maybe I am a fucked up
person or no, it's like watching

742
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,080
it, because it's so different
from my reality that, like, it's

743
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,360
really exciting to see these
people.

744
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,160
Well, she is, I think she is, I
think top 10 in terms of reads,

745
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:35,720
any housewife like you put her
against anybody and like, I'm

746
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:39,260
probably choosing, choosing
Candace. So I don't know if

747
00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:43,120
you've heard this, but we just
shared, we shared the that we

748
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,800
were hearing this was happening
a few weeks ago, but Monique

749
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,400
Samuels is coming back to
Potomac.

750
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,840
Wait, do you want to know that?
Like I was so upset when she

751
00:43:55,900 --> 00:44:00,360
left, because I Potomac was my
favorite this last season was

752
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,060
really boring. Unfortunately, I
think they'll come back, but

753
00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:05,700
Potomac has always been one of
my favorites, and I loved

754
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:09,600
Monique so much. I loved the big
thing that happened between

755
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,960
Monique and Candace. As fucked
up and crazy as it was, it was

756
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,660
just like, Wild TV, whatever. So
I was so bummed when she was

757
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:17,940
leaving, but I really like her.
Do people not like

758
00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:22,460
her? I think she's definitely
polarizing, too. And I think the

759
00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:27,980
whole her versus Candace thing
was one of those, one of those

760
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:32,000
times, and I feel like she got
put on pause as she, you know,

761
00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:34,820
yeah, because there was that
violent and she should have,

762
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,360
yeah, I'm excited. I always
really liked her. And I think

763
00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:43,900
what I find really interesting
about her is that there had been

764
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:47,800
rumors at the time when she was
on the show about cheating. It

765
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,120
was even, I think Gizelle even
brought it up on camera. And you

766
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,140
know, now she's single, and so
it should be interesting just to

767
00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:58,660
see, to see what she brings to
us.

768
00:44:58,660 --> 00:45:01,380
Oh, life looks. Oh, my God. I
didn't even realize that that

769
00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:03,960
she's single now I wasn't
following like her life after

770
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,720
the show. Oh, what a problem,
where I love them together. But

771
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,940
yeah, there was, yeah, there was
stuff about like her with her

772
00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:09,360
trainer,

773
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,140
right? Yeah, with her trainer,
exactly. And there's been some

774
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:18,960
some rumors going around
recently as well, about her with

775
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:26,120
a previous co worker as well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we will see,

776
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,140
yeah. I actually knowing that
because you, you lived in LA for

777
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:31,700
quite a while, right? Justin,

778
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:33,920
I was born and raised in LA,
like, I'm, like, one of the few,

779
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,100
like, an actual, like, born and
raised in LA, my whole life, all

780
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:39,080
my family's there. Like, that's
my world.

781
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,260
So did you? Did you work with
Rachel Zoe? At any point,

782
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,620
I didn't work with Rachel Zoe.
You know, it's funny, because,

783
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:50,920
like, the hairdressers, hair
colors, makeup artist, stylist,

784
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,140
yeah, we're all kind of
connected, and we all know each

785
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:56,800
other. We're all constantly
talking. But Rachel Zoe had kind

786
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,360
of been out of the styling world
when I was really doing a ton of

787
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,760
hair, and she was kind of
working more on her brand and

788
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,460
stuff. So no, we never shared
any clients. We weren't friends.

789
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,940
Jeremiah Brent was a really good
friend of mine, and he used to

790
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:11,160
work for her for a minute. I
think he was on her show for a

791
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,040
minute. He's the guy that's
married to Nate Berkus now. Oh

792
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,920
yeah, he was one of my really
good friends, so we have people

793
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,320
in common, but I was never
friends with her, but I'm so

794
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,780
excited for her to be on Beverly

795
00:46:20,780 --> 00:46:24,140
Hills. Yes, I am. She's gonna be
great. I think she's gonna be I

796
00:46:24,140 --> 00:46:24,740
hate that that

797
00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:27,440
cast. It's such a bummer,
because Beverly Hills is, like,

798
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,200
one of my favorites of all time.
Like, I will never miss an

799
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,200
episode of Beverly Hills, and I
couldn't even watch it this past

800
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,680
year, like I was so fucking
bored. And I think that it just

801
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,320
gets that thing where it's like,
you put too many personalities

802
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,160
that aren't connecting at all
together. And it's like, What

803
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,740
are we watching? I can't get
past the point where I'm like,

804
00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:47,740
these people would never choose
to actually hang out with each

805
00:46:47,740 --> 00:46:50,320
other. Like, you could tell
they're all being forced to film

806
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,320
together. So I'm excited for
Beverly Hills to get back to

807
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,560
some sort of, at least bring in
really big personalities, you

808
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,140
know. Like, I think Rachel will
challenge a lot of those women,

809
00:46:59,140 --> 00:47:02,820
because Rachel has a lot going
on herself, and I think in

810
00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:05,220
situations like that's
intimidated to a big group of

811
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:08,100
women. So I think she's gonna
bring out some spice out of the

812
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:08,880
other women.

813
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,080
I love it. I just want her to
hit say, I die, like, over of

814
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:13,980
like, waiting for

815
00:47:13,980 --> 00:47:17,220
that I am. There's a thing about
a little bit though, I'm kind of

816
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:19,740
nervous, because I think that
Rachel, even when she did her

817
00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:23,420
own show, she was very good at,
like, being the Rachel show and

818
00:47:23,420 --> 00:47:26,120
her little one liners or
whatever. I'm really curious to

819
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,280
see how she does with a cast.
Though, it's like she could

820
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,180
either get really quiet and
weird, like, remember the ved al

821
00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:36,020
Sassoon daughter that was on the
season one time? Like, what is

822
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:39,200
she like? Rachel could either be
kind of like that, or she could

823
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,220
come in and kind of dominate the
cast. Like, I'm so curious to

824
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:43,780
see which direction it goes.

825
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,060
I am too. I'm I know she's got
to know most of the women too.

826
00:47:49,060 --> 00:47:52,600
So I'm really curious to see who
she's gonna vibe with and who

827
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:53,500
she doesn't, yeah. Oh, you

828
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:56,080
just got me excited. I forgot
about that. And that was, like

829
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,200
news from two days ago. That's
how fast all of this like news

830
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,920
is cycling now that, like, that
like that was only a couple days

831
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,940
ago that I was excited

832
00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:05,280
about that, and now I'm all
excited again. It's been a wild

833
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:05,460
week.

834
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:13,980
Do you have any favorite moments
from the show that you're doing

835
00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:17,700
now with Kristen that you think
we won't get to see?

836
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,640
It's so crazy. Okay, so this
show was because it was filmed

837
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,080
so fast. We had cameras there
all the time, like, even, like

838
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,680
when we did very Cavalieri, that
was like, you kind of have times

839
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,560
where you'd film like, Oh, we're
gonna send a crew to the house

840
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,740
Tuesday from five to nine, or
you're gonna meet at this

841
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:39,380
restaurant, whatever this one
that we're do that's airing

842
00:48:39,380 --> 00:48:42,580
right now. They were filming the
minute we got up, till we went

843
00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:45,340
to bed at night. So like, on the
airplane, walking the airport

844
00:48:45,340 --> 00:48:49,420
and walking to get coffee, and
they got so much stuff in there.

845
00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:51,820
And even, like, the producers
kept saying to us, they're like,

846
00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:54,040
I don't know how they're going
to edit this down, because so

847
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,040
much was happening. So I still
don't even know what the next

848
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,620
few episodes look like and what
they're putting in and taking

849
00:48:59,620 --> 00:49:02,460
out, but we got so much fun
stuff in there, like it was,

850
00:49:02,460 --> 00:49:05,520
like it was non stop. And I
think that is the trick to doing

851
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,640
reality TV, is like, you can't
do this thing where it's so

852
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,580
like, scripted, the timing show
up here. We're gonna film this

853
00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:14,640
thing. Like, somehow reality TV
needs to go back to just putting

854
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,040
cameras in people's face, non
stop, because that's where you

855
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,260
get all the fun stuff. So
there's so many fun things that

856
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:21,500
happen on it that I don't know
what they're gonna end up kick

857
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:25,400
cutting out. I will be honest
and say that. So Kristen and

858
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,860
I've been best friends forever,
and we talk all day long. Like,

859
00:49:27,860 --> 00:49:30,080
right before I got on this, I
was on the phone with Kristen,

860
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,840
like we're talking non stop.
She's really like, that friend

861
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,100
to me, and we do not fight
because we have such a similar

862
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:39,500
personality. Like we really
understand each other, so we're

863
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:42,700
really good at just like weaving
life together, right? Well, on

864
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:46,120
this show, because there was
cameras happening, we got in two

865
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,080
of our like, I'd say, biggest
fights, and it's because of the

866
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,260
stress of the cameras and so
much happening, and we were so

867
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:57,880
tired. So I'm really nervous to
see how much they show of this

868
00:49:57,940 --> 00:49:59,920
fight and what I look to be.

869
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,420
Right? I saw in the preview a
little bit from last night for

870
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:04,200
next week,

871
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,080
and it's something like, and
we've talked about it completely

872
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,860
after and I was, I'm such a
little bitch. I'm a little I'm a

873
00:50:10,860 --> 00:50:13,860
crier. Like, I cry a lot, but
I'll never let people see it.

874
00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:16,140
But, like, even after that
fight, like I was, like,

875
00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:19,380
sobbing, because it's like, what
happens is you get to a point

876
00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:22,280
where you're so physically
exhausted that you don't even

877
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,920
know what you're talking about
anymore. And that's kind of what

878
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,960
this fight was like. We were
talking about two different

879
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,020
things and kind of going in
circles that at the time, I

880
00:50:30,020 --> 00:50:32,540
didn't even realize what was
happening. And then so I'm

881
00:50:32,540 --> 00:50:35,060
actually curious to see if they
do put any of it in the show,

882
00:50:35,060 --> 00:50:37,580
I'll probably learn a little bit
about myself, like, what the

883
00:50:37,580 --> 00:50:39,560
fuck I was actually talking
about,

884
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:43,720
talking reality TV, would you
ever be open to having your own

885
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:44,440
show with scoot?

886
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:47,500
Okay, so I don't think so, to be
honest. Like scoot is so

887
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,980
private, and I do think that
there has to be this element of

888
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:54,100
like, you guys, it would be a
shit show like I would probably

889
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:57,340
I would embarrass the crap out
of myself. So I'm so protective

890
00:50:57,340 --> 00:51:00,040
of my relationship with scoot,
and we really do have such a

891
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,240
sweet, playful relationship that
I don't know how fun that would

892
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,180
be for cameras. You know, just
really about me and scoot in our

893
00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:08,940
house and we have, like, a fun,
big life and stuff. But I think

894
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:12,360
people want more drama than
that. But I would love, oh, my

895
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,940
God. So, like, I love a show,
like, I would love if it was a

896
00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:18,240
show that could be happy. Like,
I have a really happy family. We

897
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,900
go to Nantucket every summer,
and like, my sister is my best

898
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:24,260
friend. I'm really close with
her husband, my nieces. If there

899
00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:27,140
was a show that could be like,
happy and showing, like, a good

900
00:51:27,140 --> 00:51:29,720
time in life, like the Chris
lease, it's like, I could do

901
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,140
that, but I wouldn't do the
drama stuff with my family, just

902
00:51:33,140 --> 00:51:35,300
because I feel like you'd be
forced to want to fight with

903
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:37,760
your close people, even if you
didn't want to, because it's

904
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,220
like, oh, we're filming a show.
We need to give them something.

905
00:51:40,340 --> 00:51:43,660
So no, I would be good on, like,
I mean, I missed my calling. I

906
00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:46,300
would have been good on, like, a
summer house or, like, Southern

907
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:48,580
charm, you know, because, like,
if you put me in a situation

908
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:51,460
where, like, people threaten me,
yeah, I'll fucking fight back.

909
00:51:51,460 --> 00:51:53,860
Like, Chris and I talk about
that all the time. If we were on

910
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:58,000
a show together, how good we
would be. But with my own people

911
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,080
in my life, I don't think I
would give them enough drama

912
00:52:01,140 --> 00:52:04,800
that makes sense. Yeah? And that
makes me really, really happy

913
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,340
for you, you know? I think I
agree. I think that's, it's a

914
00:52:08,340 --> 00:52:13,140
shame that people find just
happy no drama to be boring.

915
00:52:13,140 --> 00:52:16,080
Yeah, they do. And I'm very
aware of that, you know. But

916
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,360
like, I'm one of those people,
like, I would love, I loved

917
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,840
having, like, the Chris Lees on
in the background, just because

918
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,300
it made me feel like wholesome.
It felt like a hallmark show.

919
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,240
And I really liked that. That's
like, I mean, I wish everything

920
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,280
could be like, Christmas, year
round. So that's kind of the

921
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,220
world that I live in. I don't
like put on this positive thing

922
00:52:31,220 --> 00:52:34,580
on Instagram. I really like to
live in positive, fun spaces,

923
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,400
but I don't, I don't know if
that makes for good reality TV

924
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,540
all the time. Yeah,

925
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,960
I love that, though. So besides,
like the Chris Lees and

926
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,020
housewives. What other reality
shows are you loving right now?

927
00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:45,280
What other

928
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,340
reality shows? I mean, bravo.
Takes up so much of my time,

929
00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:51,760
because I really do watch a lot
of other TV. Like, I watch a lot

930
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,000
of, like, shows and movies and
stuff. So bravo. Pretty much

931
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,300
takes up all of it. I wasn't
able to get into the Mormon

932
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:01,020
wives, just because I think
that, like, I grew up Mormon,

933
00:53:01,020 --> 00:53:03,960
and that's such a weird,
sensationalized part of

934
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,380
Mormonism that I never saw. So
those eight just it felt like

935
00:53:07,380 --> 00:53:10,560
very scripted to me. But I heard
that this season gets really

936
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,620
fun, so I actually want to get
into the Mormon show. It's so

937
00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:16,680
good. I know everyone says that
to me, and I feel like that's

938
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,440
just also what reality TV is.
Sometimes, like, you have to get

939
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,800
over the hump of like the first
season, because the first

940
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,440
season's awkward on a lot of
shows, because it's people

941
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,020
getting to know each other, get
used to the cameras. So I think

942
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:29,480
I need to get over the hump. I'm
gonna get into that show. I'm

943
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,520
gonna start watching it for
sure. I'm gonna

944
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,240
make a confession about Mormon
housewives, secret lives, and

945
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:39,020
Mormon wise. I watch with the
remote in my hand, and we'll

946
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:41,740
fast forward, just because I
feel like there's, it's one of

947
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:45,340
those show it like a TLC show,
you know, where it's a lot of

948
00:53:45,340 --> 00:53:48,340
recap and like, here's what just
happened and here's what's going

949
00:53:48,340 --> 00:53:53,380
to happen. And so once I figured
that out, and just started fast

950
00:53:53,380 --> 00:53:57,220
forwarding through a lot of the
recap stuff, then it felt like

951
00:53:57,220 --> 00:54:02,340
it moved faster, faster for me,
and I really enjoyed it, and it

952
00:54:02,340 --> 00:54:06,120
is really good. And I'm
fascinated the cocktails, know,

953
00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:10,560
by religion in general, that
Mormonism, I think, is just so

954
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,880
interesting to me. And so
seeing, seeing that side, and

955
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,500
seeing, for example, Jen Affleck
in the first season, where they

956
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:24,200
have a baby blessing, but in the
baby blessing, only the men are

957
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,920
priesthood holders, and so the
men are doing all that. And so

958
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,460
then she's just sitting there
awkwardly watching while they're

959
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:36,440
doing this very important
religious ceremony over her baby

960
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,720
you know, there's all these just
really interesting little things

961
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:44,620
that you pick up watching the
show. And it makes you really

962
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:49,780
not understand necessarily, but
it makes you it opens your eyes

963
00:54:49,780 --> 00:54:55,480
to like the sexism that is in
that we, at least in those

964
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,300
relationships that we see, and
some of the just kind of. Just

965
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:04,440
the smaller details that kind of
make some of these women who

966
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:04,920
they are.

967
00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:07,980
Yeah, I mean, you just nailed it
all around the head. And I like,

968
00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:10,380
have to be honest. Like, since I
did grow up in that world, there

969
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:13,620
were so many things that I just
thought were normal that I

970
00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:15,840
haven't been I wasn't in the
Mormon Church, like, before I

971
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,000
got out of high school, my
parents pull this out, but it

972
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,460
wasn't things that I didn't
realize till later in life. And

973
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:22,940
you're exactly right. There's so
many things where you're like,

974
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:25,160
What the fuck? How is that
normal? And how do we just think

975
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,640
that was normal? So, yeah, it's
really, it's, I see why the

976
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:31,880
Mormon religion is so
interesting to people. And it's

977
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,520
the Mormon religion just in
general is interesting because,

978
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,700
like, everyone's weirdly, really
pretty. There's a lot of Mormon

979
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,720
I mean, money for whatever
reason, like Mormons are just

980
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,620
interesting people, yeah, so I
get it, yeah, I guess Yeah. I

981
00:55:44,620 --> 00:55:45,340
lived it.

982
00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:49,600
So I know you've been watching
the Karen Reed trial, my

983
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,560
question for you, because it's
starting to wrap up. It's nuts

984
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,940
just seeing the corruption. You
know, the cop who disposed of

985
00:55:57,940 --> 00:56:02,340
his phone and his SIM card
denying making phone calls that

986
00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:05,820
are on record selling the house
that was the scene of the crime,

987
00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:10,680
from the cops to maybe even the
judge, the corruption is is, I

988
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,560
think, you know, everyone
watching the case seems to be

989
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,320
agreeing with that statement,
because that's what all the

990
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,680
comments are saying that I see
on social media. My question for

991
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:25,760
you is two parts. Do you think
the jurors will see this, and if

992
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,300
Karen is found innocent, do you
think anyone will actually look

993
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:31,100
into who actually did it?

994
00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:33,560
I mean, those are like the two
biggest questions that we all

995
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,720
have, because you don't know
what the jurors are thinking,

996
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:38,060
because we have to remember that
we're going online and we're

997
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:40,540
reading things, we're watching
videos that are explaining

998
00:56:40,540 --> 00:56:43,300
things more, and the jurors are
really just seeing what they're

999
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,620
allowed to say in court. And
there's so much that this shady,

1000
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,980
ass dirty judge is trying to
hide from the jurors so they're

1001
00:56:50,980 --> 00:56:53,980
not getting that information.
But and I really think about

1002
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:56,140
that, because I told you guys,
before we got on this that I

1003
00:56:56,140 --> 00:57:00,360
watch every minute of this case
like I have a notebook. I take

1004
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,780
notes. I watch every minute on
YouTube all the way through, and

1005
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:06,360
I really think about like, if I
was a juror and I was listening

1006
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,240
to this, would I be able to
piece together all the

1007
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:12,240
corruption that's happening
here? And I do think that they

1008
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,720
can, because there's so many
holes in the story. And when

1009
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:19,140
they start to mention certain
things and the prosecution is

1010
00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:21,740
objecting, the jurors have to
sit there and be like, Wait a

1011
00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:24,620
second. What are they trying to
hide from us? You know? Why are

1012
00:57:24,620 --> 00:57:27,500
they trying to hide the fact
that there was X rays taken,

1013
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:31,160
that nobody's showing us the x
rays, that nothing was broken on

1014
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,760
his body? Why don't they want us
to hear about this dog, that the

1015
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:39,080
dog missing, and the man, John
O'Keefe, had dog marked on his

1016
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,500
arm. But there's so many things
that I think that they're like,

1017
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:45,880
yes, there's some Katie here
happening. And if she is found

1018
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,800
innocent, I think she's such a
badass. Karen Reed, and I have

1019
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,160
become in contact with some of
her friends that I talk about on

1020
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,460
social media so much. And like,
what I know about this woman is,

1021
00:57:57,460 --> 00:58:01,260
I think that she will write a
book, do a show or something,

1022
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:04,320
make a shitload of money, and I
think she will go after these

1023
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,200
people. Personally, I hope that
somehow she can do that. But

1024
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,980
yeah, I think people are going
to go after these people who've

1025
00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:13,680
done all this corruption. And I
think that's also what gets so

1026
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,160
many of us, like, fired up, is
we want to see this corruption

1027
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,140
go down, because there's so much
of it that's happening, and none

1028
00:58:21,140 --> 00:58:24,800
of this would be taken care of
if we were all fired up online.

1029
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,220
And I think that's the beauty of
like, online sleuths and all

1030
00:58:28,220 --> 00:58:31,760
this stuff. Like we are actually
making changes now. We're like,

1031
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,460
we're demanding the truth to
come out, because had so many of

1032
00:58:34,460 --> 00:58:37,760
us not been talking about this,
Karen would have been locked up,

1033
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,500
like they tried to get her to
give, to give a plea deal before

1034
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:44,320
any of this happened, and it's
so it's like, shady stuff like

1035
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,260
that happens every single day.
So I hope she takes all those

1036
00:58:47,260 --> 00:58:50,920
fuckers down, like all of them,
they're all so disgusting. Oh,

1037
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:51,040
my

1038
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,500
God, I love it sounds like you
could write a book with I

1039
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:56,380
could read it. But the other
thing is, is, like, if you don't

1040
00:58:56,380 --> 00:58:59,620
watch the trial, like, really
pay attention to it, I get where

1041
00:58:59,620 --> 00:59:02,040
people be. Like, no, it sounds
like maybe she did hit him with

1042
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,620
her car or whatever, especially
if you just listen to what they

1043
00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:07,500
say on the news and the media
and stuff. But I don't think

1044
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:10,140
there's anyone who, if you
really paid attention to the

1045
00:59:10,140 --> 00:59:12,180
trial, I don't think there's
anyone who could, like,

1046
00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:15,360
confidently say she's guilty.
There's just no way. Like,

1047
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,860
that's how badly, that's how
corrupt this case is totally

1048
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,280
Well, truth is coming to the
light in so many eras. You know,

1049
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,220
it's like everyone's realized
that Blake Lively is an absolute

1050
00:59:25,220 --> 00:59:28,460
asshole and she's trying to ruin
a man's life. I mean, she's a

1051
00:59:28,460 --> 00:59:32,060
monster of a person. She's like,
really a terrible person. And I,

1052
00:59:32,060 --> 00:59:34,280
you know, coming from that
Hollywood world, like I was

1053
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,060
around so many people, and I
really got to know so many

1054
00:59:38,060 --> 00:59:40,720
people, and Hollywood's very
small, like, you hear things

1055
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,620
over and over, and I was always
really aware of like, which

1056
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:47,260
people were talked about a lot
as just being nightmares or

1057
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:50,320
whatever. And it always comes to
the light, like I could sit here

1058
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,020
and just name the people off who
have just been like, plucked

1059
00:59:53,020 --> 00:59:56,260
off. That I heard over and over
from very small groups of

1060
00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:58,840
people. And Blake Lively was
always one of those people. I

1061
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:01,860
always, I never. Directly worked
with her, but I was friends with

1062
01:00:01,860 --> 01:00:04,260
like, makeup artists and
stylists and all this kind of

1063
01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:06,660
stuff. And one time I remember
Blake Lively had like, really

1064
01:00:06,660 --> 01:00:08,940
bad hair color. So I was like,
Oh, should I fix her hair color

1065
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:11,400
to one of someone on her team,
wherever. And they were like,

1066
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,160
Justin, I would never put Blake
on you. Even someone who was

1067
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,320
working with her at the time was
like, You're way too nice to

1068
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,660
work with somebody like Blake
Lively, like she's a nightmare,

1069
01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:21,440
and that was everybody's story
about her. So then when

1070
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,780
something like this comes out,
I'm like, Yeah, of course. I

1071
01:00:23,780 --> 01:00:27,440
heard about that for for so long
that it makes complete sense. So

1072
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,540
I like that we're living in a
time where, like, the truth

1073
01:00:29,540 --> 01:00:32,480
comes out about people, like,
you can't fake it anymore. If

1074
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,600
you're not a good person and
you're trying to be public,

1075
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:38,000
people are gonna find out like,
you can't hide that shit

1076
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,600
anymore.

1077
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,420
Totally question taking a little
turn here. How would a non celeb

1078
01:00:43,420 --> 01:00:46,780
like myself get their hair
colored by you? And would I need

1079
01:00:46,780 --> 01:00:49,900
to re mortgage my home? Because
I totally would.

1080
01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:53,560
Oh, so I'm like, I'm done with
doing hair now. I have. I've

1081
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:59,020
been out of the salon for six
years now, and I was charging a

1082
01:00:59,020 --> 01:01:01,920
shitload of money for hair when
I was doing it. And to be

1083
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,260
honest, like that was kind of
hard for me too, because I was,

1084
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:07,260
like, I felt bad like charging
that much, so I was really

1085
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:10,800
expensive. But what it came down
to is, like, since I was doing

1086
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,980
so many big names, my schedule
got tighter and tighter to where

1087
01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:16,980
I had a longer and longer wait
list and whatever. So, like, you

1088
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,360
naturally have to start raising
your prices because you're so

1089
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,380
busy. And by the time I stopped
doing hair, it was just out of

1090
01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:28,100
control, like I was doing like,
25 to 30 clients a day, and I

1091
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:32,360
was charging a lot of money, and
I got so completely burnt out,

1092
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,820
because I'm one of those people
that if I'm doing something, I'm

1093
01:01:34,820 --> 01:01:37,520
going to put everything into it
and do it the best that I can.

1094
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:40,300
And I was, like, on the verge of
a nervous breakdown, so I

1095
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:42,880
stopped doing hair years ago,
but I would love to do it now.

1096
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,060
If I would just, if you get me a
sink in your kitchen, I could

1097
01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:47,260
actually color your hair.

1098
01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:50,740
You're invited next time you
come to New York, or if you're

1099
01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:52,960
going to bravocon, I'll be
there.

1100
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,020
I miss doing hair so much, not
because of, like, the big

1101
01:01:56,020 --> 01:01:58,840
celebrities that I did, but I
missed, like, the conversations.

1102
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,680
I loved being in the chair.
Obviously, I like to talk, so I

1103
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,440
loved being in the chair and
chatting a lot. And the thing

1104
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,140
that I really liked about all of
my celebrities, because I worked

1105
01:02:07,140 --> 01:02:10,020
with, like, some of the anybody
I ever dreamed of working with,

1106
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:13,320
somehow ended up in my chair at
some point. So I met the most

1107
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,900
incredible people, and I really
liked all of them, because I

1108
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:20,540
feel like in order to get to the
top in any industry, you have to

1109
01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:24,080
somehow be, you have to kind of
be an interesting person. So it

1110
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,560
was so fun to me, for me to be
in the chair doing hair with,

1111
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,380
like, really interesting person
after interesting person. And

1112
01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:33,020
like, I miss that. I have a lot
of fun doing that part of it. I

1113
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:34,880
felt like I met really cool
people.

1114
01:02:34,940 --> 01:02:38,780
I love that so much. So what?
Sorry, what does your work what

1115
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:38,960
does

1116
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:43,780
your work life look like these
days. I mean, we we see your

1117
01:02:43,780 --> 01:02:48,700
content, we see you on the show,
like, what? What keeps you busy?

1118
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,820
People always. I think people
really wonder that, because, and

1119
01:02:51,820 --> 01:02:55,480
I'll be very honest, I do live a
big life, and I think that it's

1120
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,820
kind of confusing, because I
don't work anymore. I don't

1121
01:02:57,820 --> 01:03:00,840
have, like, a nine to five. I'll
be very honest here right now, I

1122
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,460
was very smart from a really
young age about money. I saved a

1123
01:03:05,460 --> 01:03:08,520
lot of money. I got into real
estate. I bought my first, oh,

1124
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,040
my God, I'm gonna say too much
right now. I bought my first

1125
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,040
piece of property when I was,
like, 21 years old in West

1126
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,680
Hollywood, and it was really
expensive at the time. And then

1127
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,620
basically what I did was, every
two years I would buy a new

1128
01:03:19,620 --> 01:03:22,580
piece of property, rent out the
old one, have the new one or the

1129
01:03:22,580 --> 01:03:24,920
old one, kind of pay for the
mortgage on the next one. And I

1130
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,280
kept rolling that, that by the
time I retired, my biggest

1131
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,460
moneymaker was real estate,
doing real estate over the

1132
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:34,160
years, you know, 20 years of
doing that. And then I did make

1133
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,120
a lot of money doing hair a lot,
because I charged a lot. I had

1134
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,220
two businesses that I sold my
portion of the business, and no,

1135
01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:45,100
that was like my biggest money
maker. I've always been really

1136
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:48,100
good with money. So right now
I'm in a place in my life where

1137
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:50,440
I wouldn't say that I'm retired,
because there's so many other

1138
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,440
things I want to do in life, but
I'm a little bit burnt out, and

1139
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,980
I want to figure out what I want
to do that makes me happy, seems

1140
01:03:56,980 --> 01:04:00,840
fun, and I'm not on like a money
chasing journey right now, which

1141
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,180
is a great place to be. So if
anyone's listening, they're

1142
01:04:03,180 --> 01:04:05,940
young when Pete, when adults
tell you to pay attention to

1143
01:04:05,940 --> 01:04:09,180
your money and save it, try as
hard as you can to do it. I know

1144
01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:11,400
we're in a fucking hard time
right now, and everything feels

1145
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,280
expensive, and the thought of
saving money seems ridiculous to

1146
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,860
anyone, but the earlier you
start, the better off you are.

1147
01:04:16,860 --> 01:04:19,440
And I read a book when I was
really young called Rich Dad,

1148
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,100
Poor Dad, and that completely
changed my life. So if you're a

1149
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:24,620
parent and you have a kid who's
about to go to college, make

1150
01:04:24,620 --> 01:04:27,020
them read that book, because my
parents made me read it at a

1151
01:04:27,020 --> 01:04:30,140
young age, and I swear that
changed my whole life. Rich Dad,

1152
01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:33,140
Poor Dad, it'll teach you how to
be rich by the time you're 45

1153
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:37,820
I've read it too, and I have you
read it. I have read it, yeah, a

1154
01:04:37,820 --> 01:04:41,380
life changer like it. I read it
at such a young age, and it

1155
01:04:41,380 --> 01:04:45,400
changed my life. I lived by that
for so many years, and you just

1156
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,040
have to start young. So yeah,
long story for right now, I'm

1157
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,740
just kind of enjoying life, and
I want to figure out what I want

1158
01:04:50,740 --> 01:04:53,140
to do next. I want to do only
things that make me happy and

1159
01:04:53,140 --> 01:04:58,060
smile right now. Me too. Dick
off for so many years, though,

1160
01:04:58,060 --> 01:05:00,900
and I was so stressed and like
running all. A place that so,

1161
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:04,020
yeah, right now I'm kind of like
enjoying where I'm at. Also

1162
01:05:04,020 --> 01:05:04,680
refuse to be,

1163
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,100
yeah, I love that. For you, can

1164
01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:11,220
you share, like, any past
stories of, like, the craziest

1165
01:05:11,220 --> 01:05:14,400
thing that's ever happened to
you at a celebrity appointment?

1166
01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:17,940
At a celebrity appointment? Yes,
and I always get in trouble for

1167
01:05:17,940 --> 01:05:20,540
this, because big name
celebrities, they somehow

1168
01:05:20,540 --> 01:05:23,180
travel, and that follows me
forever when I tell stories

1169
01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:26,480
online. But yes, I have some
crazy ass stories, and I don't

1170
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,060
know I would want to, like
almost write a book, just for

1171
01:05:29,060 --> 01:05:31,280
the fun of it, because people
would have so much fun with the

1172
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,400
stories, but not to expose
celebrities. I don't like

1173
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,520
exposing celebrities, because I
feel like that makes would make

1174
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,100
me as a person, look like shitty
and people couldn't trust me.

1175
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:42,580
But I want these stories to be
known. Because, yeah, I saw the

1176
01:05:42,580 --> 01:05:45,220
craziest shit ever. Because,
like, for my biggest

1177
01:05:45,220 --> 01:05:47,920
celebrities, I would go into
their home, because, like, if

1178
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,260
they were so famous that they
couldn't come into the salon

1179
01:05:50,260 --> 01:05:53,140
that I was at at the time, or at
the end of my career, I had a

1180
01:05:53,140 --> 01:05:55,720
space where I would do all of my
clients. It was completely

1181
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,240
private. It was just mine, but
people would still have to see

1182
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,560
each other there. So if I was
doing an A list big celebrity I

1183
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,260
would go to their home, so it
was as private as possible. And

1184
01:06:04,260 --> 01:06:07,800
the shit that I would see wasn't
was crazy. I mean, one really

1185
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,700
big client. I met her for the
first time, and her assistant

1186
01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:15,120
brought me into her bathroom,
and she was butt naked, and do

1187
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,820
her hair while she was butt
naked, and she was kind of out

1188
01:06:17,820 --> 01:06:21,200
of it, on pills. And it was,
like, really awkward right away.

1189
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,560
So there were situations like
that. There was some people who

1190
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,920
were obviously really mean, but
I was really, I'm very big on

1191
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,680
boundaries, and I'm very
protective of the people around

1192
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,380
me, like, if you're my friend or
my assistants, I was really

1193
01:06:33,380 --> 01:06:35,780
protective of them. And there
were a lot of people who were

1194
01:06:35,780 --> 01:06:39,800
really mean to my assistants.
And so I, like, I got in fights

1195
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,040
with people like, and I never
would go back to do their hair.

1196
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,500
People knew they were like, oh,
Justin, will fire you in a

1197
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:47,380
second. I would, I didn't care
how famous people were. If they

1198
01:06:47,380 --> 01:06:50,080
were mean to my assistants, I
would fire them. Never go back

1199
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,600
to them. And it was like a funny
thing that people would joke

1200
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,860
about in our industry. So yeah,
I've seen some crazy ass shit.

1201
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,860
And yeah, some crazy ass shit.
Why

1202
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:05,100
kind of back to the this all
tracks for me, because I, I

1203
01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:11,580
personally have a theory that
people who are rude to waiters,

1204
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:16,020
people behind a hotel desk,
whatever, people's assistance

1205
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,560
like those, are not good people.
That is always, that is how I

1206
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:25,520
always feel. And so that tracks
for me, that you would be very

1207
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,360
protective of the people who
work for you, and immediately

1208
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,940
cut off anybody who would act

1209
01:07:31,940 --> 01:07:35,420
like that. It's a real thing. I
mean, that's literally I also,

1210
01:07:35,420 --> 01:07:38,000
because I did hair for so many
years and I saw so many people,

1211
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,640
I really feel like I have a good
gage on people. Just talking to

1212
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,120
people for a few minutes, I can
kind of pick up on things. Up on

1213
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,360
things. Like, I can read people
really easily just because of

1214
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,120
how many people I was around.
But yes, I agree. Like, it all

1215
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,300
comes down to how they treat the
people who can't do anything for

1216
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:54,940
them, and that pisses me off
more than anything. So, like,

1217
01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:57,280
when we would go to a
celebrity's house, and I would

1218
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,120
take one or two assistants with
me, when we would leave, I'd

1219
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,640
immediately say, like, how were
they with you? Because, like, if

1220
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,800
I would leave the room and they
were dealing with my assistant,

1221
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,080
or if my assistant was, like,
washing out their hair and I

1222
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,420
wasn't right there, and I would
listen to my my assistants,

1223
01:08:09,420 --> 01:08:12,660
because that says so much about
how they they treat people like

1224
01:08:12,660 --> 01:08:16,200
that. And I that's another thing
that comes down to, like, the

1225
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,440
truth comes out all the time.
Now, I really was around someone

1226
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:22,820
like Jennifer Aniston, the
nicest person in the world.

1227
01:08:22,820 --> 01:08:26,000
Nobody could ever say anything
bad about Jennifer Aniston. She

1228
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,820
is so kind to everyone. It
doesn't matter who you are.

1229
01:08:28,940 --> 01:08:32,180
Miley Cyrus, the same thing.
Miley Cyrus could be on any set

1230
01:08:32,180 --> 01:08:35,540
or walk into any room, and she
will remember everyone's name.

1231
01:08:35,540 --> 01:08:39,080
She will make eye contact, speak
with people. Reese Witherspoon,

1232
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,320
one of the greatest people in
the world, you know. And these

1233
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,960
are a lot of people that I still
consider my friends and I still

1234
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,320
speak to because they're such
good people. But trust me,

1235
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,780
there's a lot of people who have
never mentioned their names,

1236
01:08:49,780 --> 01:08:52,360
that I've worked with and been
around quite a bit that are just

1237
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,000
fucking assholes. And it's like,
but I know it'll come out. I

1238
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,460
don't need to say it. It doesn't
need to be me who says it, and

1239
01:08:57,460 --> 01:09:00,040
it keeps coming out. You know?
Why did Ellen jennis Move away?

1240
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,180
I knew she was gonna have to
move away. I knew that whole

1241
01:09:03,180 --> 01:09:05,400
thing before. It's so funny,
because when Amber Heard came

1242
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,860
out with her thing, of course,
when a woman says that anything

1243
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:10,260
bad happens to her, you listen
right away, right? But I

1244
01:09:10,260 --> 01:09:12,720
remember when all that stuff
first came out, and I was like,

1245
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:17,760
oh, no, the truth will come out.
Amber is insane, so the truth

1246
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:18,420
comes out.

1247
01:09:18,419 --> 01:09:21,559
You know, we hear about
celebrities who say, like, you

1248
01:09:21,559 --> 01:09:24,319
can't look them in the eye, like
their assistants will tell

1249
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,679
people ahead of time, like, did
you ever have that experience

1250
01:09:27,739 --> 01:09:31,999
where somebody asked that you do
their hair, but then you were

1251
01:09:31,999 --> 01:09:33,439
told you couldn't look them in
the eye?

1252
01:09:33,859 --> 01:09:39,259
I would not walk into someone's
home if they said anything about

1253
01:09:39,259 --> 01:09:42,099
eye contact. That's like a
fucking psycho person. So like,

1254
01:09:42,099 --> 01:09:44,859
if somebody said that to me,
like, Justin, will you do so and

1255
01:09:44,859 --> 01:09:47,439
so's hair, but you can't look at
her, I would laugh so hard and

1256
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,539
be like, yeah, right, I would, I
wouldn't do that for a million

1257
01:09:49,539 --> 01:09:51,699
dollars. But no, there are
stories about that, and there's

1258
01:09:51,699 --> 01:09:54,639
one big celebrity that I can
think of in particular that,

1259
01:09:54,639 --> 01:09:57,579
yes, it was said a lot, and it
was very true that she would say

1260
01:09:57,579 --> 01:10:00,059
that, but I never actually
worked with her. But so no. I

1261
01:10:00,059 --> 01:10:02,519
couldn't do that. Sorry. My
husband just walked in room, and

1262
01:10:02,519 --> 01:10:05,159
I completely lost my train of
thought, and I was just about to

1263
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:07,199
say something really good,
though. Oh, god, yeah, that

1264
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:09,779
definitely happens. But no, I
wouldn't work with somebody like

1265
01:10:09,779 --> 01:10:12,479
that at all. Oh, but, like,
another thing is, like, for some

1266
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,539
reason, I feel like I could get
along with anyone. Like, if

1267
01:10:15,539 --> 01:10:18,059
somebody says, Oh, so and so is
terrible, I could sit with them

1268
01:10:18,059 --> 01:10:20,039
and I swear I could become
friends with them. I've been

1269
01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:22,939
like this since, like, I was a
kid, like everyone My family was

1270
01:10:22,939 --> 01:10:26,479
like, Justin, you'll talk to
anybody and, like, I could make

1271
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,599
anyone mean, be sweet to me,
just because all you have to do

1272
01:10:29,599 --> 01:10:31,879
is, like, ask them questions
about themselves, tell them

1273
01:10:31,879 --> 01:10:33,979
they're pretty, like, you, like,
whatever, and then they're like,

1274
01:10:33,979 --> 01:10:36,139
they'll get on your good side.
So I was really good like that,

1275
01:10:36,139 --> 01:10:38,179
like, with the crazy
celebrities. But then after a

1276
01:10:38,179 --> 01:10:40,279
while, I was like, Oh, I don't
want to be around because

1277
01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:42,939
they're not a good person. But
there's this one celebrity in

1278
01:10:42,939 --> 01:10:46,359
particular, really big actress,
Academy Award winner, very

1279
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:49,119
famous. And I remember when she
was first coming to me to get

1280
01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:52,179
her hair done, and her was her
makeup artist or her

1281
01:10:52,179 --> 01:10:54,879
hairdresser, called me the guy
who styled her hair. And he was

1282
01:10:54,879 --> 01:10:58,719
like, I just want you to know,
like, she's really, really mean

1283
01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:01,019
and like, just, so just, like,
don't say anything. Just, you

1284
01:11:01,019 --> 01:11:03,179
know, kind of like, do her hair,
like, what? Like, prepped me for

1285
01:11:03,179 --> 01:11:05,819
it. I was always like, what are
they talking about? She came in,

1286
01:11:05,819 --> 01:11:08,399
we were best friends. The next
day after I did her hair for the

1287
01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:11,459
first time, she sent me a huge
bouquet of flowers, and when she

1288
01:11:11,459 --> 01:11:14,339
left it, they gave me a huge
hug, and was like, I love you,

1289
01:11:14,339 --> 01:11:16,739
like, you're so special or, and
they literally said they're

1290
01:11:16,739 --> 01:11:18,899
like, don't try to hug her,
because everyone knows that.

1291
01:11:18,899 --> 01:11:22,759
Like, I love to hug people, so I
don't know I'm like, a bad gage

1292
01:11:22,939 --> 01:11:25,459
with that at first, because,
like, I really feel like I can

1293
01:11:25,459 --> 01:11:28,399
break any anybody who's really
nasty at first, but then I'll

1294
01:11:28,399 --> 01:11:29,539
see through it. You know,

1295
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,020
totally Sometimes people's teams
are worse than the celebrity.

1296
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,580
Oh, my God, that's a real thing.
Yeah, and it just gave the

1297
01:11:37,580 --> 01:11:38,780
slaughter a bad name.

1298
01:11:39,380 --> 01:11:43,120
You're so right on that
sometimes there's people who are

1299
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,060
very famous, and it's the people
around them who are the worst.

1300
01:11:46,060 --> 01:11:48,400
So another thing that would
happen a lot of these people,

1301
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,380
you know, because I would be
working really close to them,

1302
01:11:50,380 --> 01:11:52,780
going to their home, and we'd
become close or whatever, and

1303
01:11:52,780 --> 01:11:55,180
they'd always invite me to go
to, like, dinners or birthday

1304
01:11:55,180 --> 01:11:59,680
parties or like, travel with
them. And I would love them as a

1305
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,400
person, but I'm like, but the
people you surround yourself

1306
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,680
with, I can't be around them
like I would go on vacation

1307
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,680
sometimes with celebrities, and
it was their friends who would,

1308
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,680
like, they would act like they
were famous. Like that never

1309
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,320
made sense to me. Like we would
go out and like they would be

1310
01:12:13,380 --> 01:12:16,020
rude to the waiter, or, like, be
pushy trying to get into

1311
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:19,020
somewhere. I'm like, You're not
her. Like you need to stop.

1312
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:21,000
Like, it's just that's a real
thing. People who surround

1313
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,780
themselves with celebrities,
they start to act like the

1314
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,780
celebrity themselves, and
they're almost worse. People are

1315
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,500
the worst. People can be the
worst or the best. Yeah, that's

1316
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:31,160
true. True,

1317
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:35,479
true. So you mentioned that
scoot just walked in. Is he

1318
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,079
making dinner tonight? What are
you guys having? I love seeing

1319
01:12:39,079 --> 01:12:39,979
what he makes.

1320
01:12:39,979 --> 01:12:43,299
You guys, he's the best cook in
the world. Like, he has spoiled

1321
01:12:43,299 --> 01:12:46,059
me so bad. Like, I don't even
like to go out to dinner at all

1322
01:12:46,059 --> 01:12:48,459
when he works, though I would
rather eat his food. Oh, right

1323
01:12:48,459 --> 01:12:50,679
now we're cleaning up, because
it's like, we're going into

1324
01:12:50,679 --> 01:12:53,439
summertime. So he's doing, I
think he's doing salmon,

1325
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,819
broccoli and a salad tonight.
But he is the best cook, like,

1326
01:12:57,819 --> 01:13:00,599
in the world, and takes
everything, like, too far, where

1327
01:13:00,599 --> 01:13:03,119
someone, like, scoot, don't put
in so much energy. Like, I want

1328
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:05,219
to, like, sit down and, like,
catch up with you at the end of

1329
01:13:05,219 --> 01:13:08,339
the day, and he will cook for
like, hours. Like, everything's

1330
01:13:08,339 --> 01:13:10,919
done to perfection. I'm so lucky
for that

1331
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,820
beyond, oh my god, yum, that's
hungry. Are you gonna be

1332
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:16,920
attending bravocon this year? Or
no,

1333
01:13:16,979 --> 01:13:22,099
I don't know. I it would be fun
to go in the way. So honestly,

1334
01:13:22,099 --> 01:13:24,799
cavalry, they put it on Bravo at
the beginning to premiere it.

1335
01:13:24,799 --> 01:13:28,699
But it's really like an E show.
But peacock is involved with

1336
01:13:28,699 --> 01:13:31,099
Bravo. I would like to go if,
like, I had a reason to be

1337
01:13:31,099 --> 01:13:34,339
there. Like, I'd love to, like,
if I had a reason, because I

1338
01:13:34,339 --> 01:13:36,619
feel like, well, the last time
that I went, I'll be really

1339
01:13:36,619 --> 01:13:39,379
honest with you, when I went
with, um, me saying, I'll be

1340
01:13:39,379 --> 01:13:43,239
honest. Like, okay, so the last
time I went to rob a con, I went

1341
01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:47,559
with Teddy Mellencamp to fill in
for Tamra for their podcast,

1342
01:13:47,559 --> 01:13:49,899
because Tamara couldn't go, or
she was on a show, so she

1343
01:13:49,899 --> 01:13:53,739
couldn't do the podcast. So I
went, and there's something

1344
01:13:53,739 --> 01:13:59,079
really kind of too much for me
behind the scenes in that world,

1345
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:03,059
like there's a lot of really big
egos, and like, I almost got

1346
01:14:03,059 --> 01:14:05,579
uncomfortable, because it feels
like there's a lot of people,

1347
01:14:05,579 --> 01:14:07,619
like, getting ready to fight
with each other, like, look at

1348
01:14:07,619 --> 01:14:10,439
each other, whatever. So me
being there, I felt like I was a

1349
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,439
bystander backstage, and that
made me feel a little bit

1350
01:14:13,499 --> 01:14:16,499
awkward. So if I was invited,
and I was there for a reason,

1351
01:14:16,499 --> 01:14:19,319
and I could just genuinely have
fun meeting everyone and talking

1352
01:14:19,319 --> 01:14:21,799
to everyone, that'd be great.
But I think when I think when I

1353
01:14:21,799 --> 01:14:24,079
went with Teddy, there was like,
this whole thing of, like, grab

1354
01:14:24,079 --> 01:14:26,299
someone, get them to come up and
interview with you, and the

1355
01:14:26,299 --> 01:14:28,579
whole idea is, like, get some
sort of juice out of them, and

1356
01:14:28,579 --> 01:14:31,399
like, so I felt like this, like,
dirty little creep backstage,

1357
01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:34,699
you know? So, so I don't know if
I'd, if I want to do it in that

1358
01:14:34,699 --> 01:14:37,519
way, I'd want to go just
strictly to have fun and just,

1359
01:14:37,519 --> 01:14:40,239
like, chat with people and just
be in that world. Like, I

1360
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,939
wouldn't want to be in any slimy
position.

1361
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,940
Yeah, well, I'll have given
birth, so I'm gonna be on a

1362
01:14:45,940 --> 01:14:51,280
drinking binge, and I will be
there. So you and I are gonna

1363
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,000
party.

1364
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,899
I will say it was so fun. So we
were there. They had us like in

1365
01:14:55,899 --> 01:14:58,179
the back, where everyone would
come in before they go on stage

1366
01:14:58,179 --> 01:15:00,839
or whatever, in like the red
carpet area. And they put us at

1367
01:15:00,839 --> 01:15:03,239
this table where we were, like,
doing the microphone interviews

1368
01:15:03,239 --> 01:15:07,079
or whatever. And when I would
walk out into the bravocon area,

1369
01:15:07,259 --> 01:15:10,739
it is the most fun group of
people you'll ever be. You guys

1370
01:15:10,739 --> 01:15:12,239
have obviously been there,
right?

1371
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,420
I've been to New York and the
Las Vegas one,

1372
01:15:15,420 --> 01:15:18,420
yeah. So, like, everyone there
just wants to party and have

1373
01:15:18,420 --> 01:15:21,740
fun, like I would be in heaven
there. Just like, doing the fun

1374
01:15:21,740 --> 01:15:24,860
part of it. It's a really fun
event. Like, everyone's just

1375
01:15:24,860 --> 01:15:27,620
there to, like, laugh and have a
good time and, like, get crazy

1376
01:15:27,620 --> 01:15:29,960
and, like, you all have this,
like, one connection, which is

1377
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,100
like, bravo. And so it's just a
fun environment. So I want to go

1378
01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:36,380
and do it the fun way, so I
could be your drinky buddy.

1379
01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:43,060
Sold. Seriously, definitely
sold. Justin. We are running out

1380
01:15:43,060 --> 01:15:48,640
of time. We are we could go on
for hours. You are so yes, so

1381
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,980
much fun. And we're we've just
really enjoyed just all of the

1382
01:15:53,980 --> 01:15:58,420
chats, all of the laughs. So
thank you so much. And guys like

1383
01:15:58,420 --> 01:16:03,360
I said, if you're not following
Justin on Instagram. He it's at

1384
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:07,860
Justin Anderson on Instagram.
And then watch, honestly,

1385
01:16:07,860 --> 01:16:11,580
cavalari, if you haven't had a
chance yet, the episodes are

1386
01:16:11,580 --> 01:16:15,480
about a half an hour, and like I
said, You they so far, they're

1387
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:18,660
leaving me wanting to watch
more. So it's so much fun to

1388
01:16:18,660 --> 01:16:18,960
watch.

1389
01:16:19,020 --> 01:16:22,160
Yeah, you as the best. That's so
much fun. And anybody listening

1390
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,460
if I said anything bad, I really
swear that. I mean, well, I

1391
01:16:25,460 --> 01:16:28,220
just, I do kind of talk too
much, so I run on. And also, you

1392
01:16:28,220 --> 01:16:30,380
guys can edit this down if you
need to, because I talk a

1393
01:16:30,380 --> 01:16:33,680
lot. No, we love it, and you
have re one big dream of it must

1394
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:34,580
come back. Oh my god,

1395
01:16:34,580 --> 01:16:37,160
I would love to you guys are the
best. I seriously appreciate you

1396
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,780
both having me. We love you so
much. Love you guys, have a good

1397
01:16:40,780 --> 01:16:44,200
night. You too. Bye.

1398
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,080
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