Club 520 - Stephen Jackson on NBA Finals win with Spurs, CRAZY NBA stories, starting All The Smoke

The volume. 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.440 All right, man, we're back another one for episode of 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:09.840 The Club five twenty podcasts. 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:11.320 I'm the house. My name is DJ. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.560 Well's special special guests in the building. To my left, 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:15.800 we're gonna introduce my man's last one. To my far left, 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:16.520 we got my dog. 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:18.439 They should be hearing out the pear LEAs how you 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:19.680 was nasty. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:20.680 Let's get to it. 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.560 I know you always keep your feet proper. Now he 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:23.880 showing out to that, and you know what. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.320 I'm saying, he's not playing. He ain't playing with him today, 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.560 but normally he and the black forces with the white license. 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:29.800 Yeah, I know what I'm saying. 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:30.520 You from p A T. 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:32.920 Yeah, when you see the black forces down there with that. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.320 Means we don't really do The Black forces is the 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.239 bad thug niggas and the white forces the pretty boys like, 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.680 we don't do that. It's either in you or it's not. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:43.479 You know what I'm saying, regardless what you got on. 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.160 But the forces I wasn't as big as air Max 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:48.680 where I'm from, we used to wear the ax. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.040 Okay, yeah, ninety five, that was big. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.840 The force wasn't this big coming up in pa Okay, Okay, 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:55.440 all black ninety fives. 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.959 Or is that straight? And he called him ninety five. Yeah, 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:59.000 especially the rebels. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.800 Yeah, yuh tell me right, my dog, you're not show 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.360 young tig how you are man chilling bro hype man. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.280 We got somebody in here that's kind of like an 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.839 inspiration us. He started the pile, they got the pore started, 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.200 They rolling got their whole. They taking over everything, all 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:13.759 the smoke productions everywhere. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.199 So it's hape to have somebody in here. 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:16.759 That we kind of look up to in the podcast 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.600 and with Joe and Gilly and all those too, So 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:21.399 it's gonna be a good show for. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.560 Us for show listen, you know, as a patience, Man, 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.280 I'm locked in but waiting for this episode man for 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.200 Shore come time, boy. 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:29.840 Yes, sir, I can't wait till we get to it. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.839 Come on, man, we got a ba hip, like you said, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.640 all the smoke him and Max showed the way for 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.800 this podcast game man, we got stack Jack and the 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:37.640 billing Steve Jackson. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:38.760 Appreciate you putting big. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.640 Thank you for having me man, and good y'all y'all 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:45.840 flowers too. Y'all y'all created a nice show and made 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.480 a lot of way in a short time. Every time 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.400 I look on social media, I see something from y'all 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.040 show trending, So that mean y'all doing something right. So Man, 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:54.600 I'm honest to be on y'all show man. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.320 Definitely, Man, appreciate you to like you said, Man, I 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.880 love podcasting, man, especially in the sports situation. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.200 All the smoke knuckle heads. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:03.560 Like y'all was the ones right there, you know, to 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.440 help pave the white for us to be in the situation. Man, 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.720 So shout out to y'all man for being trail bases 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.280 in the Man. We gotta start off with a question, man, Yeah, 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:12.000 like you know what I'm saying. We talked about the force. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.880 You and Jordan brad athlete your chairs for so solution. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.480 I'm the threes and fours guy. Yeah, threes and fours 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.280 is my ship, you know. They it's just the most 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.160 comfortable one. And actually, you know when I that's what 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.440 I played in. I played in threes and four. So 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.440 that's just my go to I rock the ones now 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.800 because you know that's the most. That's the shoot. They 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.240 sent us the most. We have every one. You know, 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:33.919 they might not send all the flaship, but they gonna 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.080 send you every Jordan's one you know what I'm saying. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.000 But for the most part, threes and fours, Soure. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:39.640 We know you was hooping in the protegees and you 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:40.800 got to the to the joord. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:50.560 But look at you. I played them ship. Let me 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.760 tell you what's about the protegee Shout out, shout, don't 0:02:53.800 --> 0:03:02.720 shout out at the same time, Bro, every quarter of 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.400 the game. If you want to know what moves I 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:06.800 made on the court, all you had to do is 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:12.440 look because the black ship from the shoes. Then each 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.040 quarter I'm tearing a hole in each paradog. I played 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.639 no shoes for like six months. After that. I had 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.760 bone spurs in my foot for three years fucking with 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.080 them protegees, trying to be lawyer in my homeboy. We 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:24.640 made a little bread off of it, but it was 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:25.280 not worth it. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.840 Bro, I'm telling it wasn't worth it. Go through the 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.519 crazy shoe wrikings. We're gonna put in the protegee. We 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.960 never got put in the Starberris. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.320 They made by the same people them gave out the plug. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.160 Oh so I didn't know that. No, Steph did it. 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.880 He gave a flooded like Jake. I think we could 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.520 do it too it. Let's try it, hey, and it 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.680 didn't work. That's how the dope game works. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:51.200 I ain't know. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.680 Subber was a plug that changed a lot. Now step 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.600 but step Ate. Steph made some good money and he's 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.400 still making good money. He just started Xavier threes for 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.800 a son in China to it. They're doing pretty good 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.640 as well. Shout the stuff man, shout the step that's crazy. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.840 Were talking about the Triple Bes that nobody got their shoes. 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.240 He was like, they was us still waiting on them. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.640 I'm still waiting on my Triple Be. The ball that 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.680 ship was way better than Page. I'm sorry. Nothing was 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.640 wanting them protoge unless she went some sketches out there. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:21.960 They were in schedules. Now he was trying to get 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.280 a deal with it. They were like in the were 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:24.840 lock in with me. They got they got Joel and 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.599 bid though they straight and niggas with anything. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:31.960 Now they're paying. Yeah, they're paying niggas around and. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:41.360 Stagging and staggering. We talked about going viral, and one 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.159 time I said something about Michael Jackson. Everybody killed me. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.599 I said, Drake seeing just as good as Michael something 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.320 like that. That ain't what I meant. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:50.760 It was a long night. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.320 It was long week, it was a long night, so 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.640 it came it came out wrong though, But you was 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.280 all like you were crazy, like this nigga, crazy nigga 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:10.280 say anything. Man you had, you had went crazy. He 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.280 d m me Michael Jackson songs for like the whole day. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.919 I'm like, Bro, I was just drunk, bro, Like, you 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.719 know what, It's funny because it's funny and I do 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.080 remember that now, but it's funny because people are people. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.239 Do really compare Chris Brown and Drake to Michael Jackson, 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.800 Like as far as starts and starts starting, you know 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.600 what I'm saying, I would be I would say this, 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:35.680 Chris Brown is by far the closest thing to Michael Ja. Absolutely, 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:37.560 you know what I'm saying. And if you had to 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:43.200 have a Michael in hip hop, Yeah, I was wild 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.320 and I always admit I want to be Drake. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:54.719 I'll step in now. See see you just talking about stardom. 0:05:55.640 --> 0:06:01.840 That liquor was kicking his ass. He's talking about vocally. Absolutely, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.960 I didn't want you to tap back in, but you 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.080 tap back in. But y'all, y'all went in because you 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.200 dre shot us cool and Dre. I'm big on music, 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.120 roll up music too, but I'm tapped in with y'all. 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:15.920 You know what I mean, background and body at work. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.520 But they said something that you was right. It just 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.720 I made my nay dms go crazy. 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.560 I was just tripped. I was just like, so cool 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.240 and Dre send me the acapella and everything. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:30.919 You know, really no music. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.400 I'm just tipsy, bro, just talking shit. Bro, that weren't 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:37.839 even posted to go nothing like. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:39.320 That was not real. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.200 If somebody, if you have to pick somebody that could 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.760 be close to Mike vocal, who would you pick? Male 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:46.400 or female? Because I think it's for me. It's only 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.520 one female that I can think that's closer to Mike 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:48.960 and vocals. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:50.120 You're gonna say, Whitning Houston. 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:51.960 That's it. Yeah, that's it. Bro. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:52.880 We locked in. 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.120 We had Joe Button on the podcast. He said, you 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.160 don't mention music no more like you done. So I'm 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:03.960 gonna just be done. I'm gonna be done. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:05.440 Shout out Drake, shout out Mike. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.600 Make it so funny, you know what i'maying. We' from Indiana. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:08.920 So for you to make that type with the two 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:09.520 one nine. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.480 They was hot. Oh yeah, everybody who is the biggest rappit. 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:17.560 From and then gives so far we don't have Yeah, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.160 he dropping the products Gibbs too. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.800 I want to I want to go back to the 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.400 you know what I mean to the beginning, Poor Arthur sir, 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.720 who put the pill in your hands like when you 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.160 pick it up and frond a love for it. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:32.960 So I grew up and put out the texts a 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:33.560 small town. 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.040 All my family worked the refinery, so I grew up 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:37.960 on the west side of my All my uncles, my cousin, 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.880 they all played basketball and the protect. You know, football 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.600 is big on Fridays, but when football is over, it's 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.800 that same energy transfers to basketball. So on Friday nights. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:48.880 Growing up, there was one high school that we all 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:50.760 grew up went to. It's called Lincol High School. Everybody 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.320 have a Lincol High School and they used to win 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.800 state championships and grow up. So growing up I used 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.840 to watch them and go watch them play. So it 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:02.080 just I inherited from my uncles and cousins. But at 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.360 five years old, that's when they all knew I was good. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.440 I had forty two points. I had forty points in 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.160 the forty two point game, and uh, yeah, I. 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:13.120 Say how many assistans? 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.640 No, I didn't know what. I didn't know what it 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:21.520 was back there, but five years old, forty points, we 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.960 had forty two another kid that he scored on the 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.960 other two. And after that game, I start getting treated different, 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.400 you know what I'm saying, by coaches, by my uncles, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.000 by everybody. And uh, I didn't know I had it 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:33.480 at the time. I just thought I was just taller 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.720 and I was more athletic. But that's when it started. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.080 At uh damn, my memory kicking in a little bit 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.360 ninety five. Did y'all want to you led them to 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:42.760 the chip at Lincoln. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:43.520 High School state championship? 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:43.760 Yeah? 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:47.080 That was your junior year, My junior year. Okay, how 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.640 was that? I want another question though, to just two part, 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.439 like I want you to talk about that. But is 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.560 it any other pros that come from Lincoln? 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.800 No, so BJ Tyler had a two year stint. He 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.400 would up going to Texas. Yeah, and he had a 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:04.120 two extent, but nobody. The crazy part about it is 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.240 is a town that's fifteen minutes away called Baumba, Texas, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.840 and the high school coach I had at the year. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.120 We want to state championship. Ended up getting another kid 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:15.880 that ended up going to high going out of high 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:17.720 school as well, and ended and went in the state 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.439 championship as well, Kendrick Perkins. So we got the same 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.800 high school coach, you, Yeah, we got the same time. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.600 I'm talking about Kendrick dribbling down the street and at thirteen, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.719 when he was sixteen fifteen, he was that big, but 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.400 he was getting it off the rim and bringing it 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.520 up like he had all that before he got the 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.000 Boston Now he had all that. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.320 Bro Now I remember him with the unclean soldier. Him 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.640 and Borrow linked up as you like, Nah, he went 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.080 to the hospital. You got it. You gotta be nice. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.560 So you just you just hoopedush your guys at Lincoln. 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.360 We don't want the chip, but yeah, like we had 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.160 the guys I played with. We've been knowing each other 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.160 from elementary all the way to high school. So leaving 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.520 them my SENI my senior year was something I didn't 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.839 want to do. What made coach Smith come grab you? 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:58.400 Well? 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.960 Josh Passler up being the coach for Memphis and Georgia Tech. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:03.880 He was my AU coach. He was the same angor 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.480 as accident. Yeah, coach. That's crazy. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:07.840 Yeah, he was our coach. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.120 Bro. He drove to my hometown. Let me till I 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.360 met Josh. So I was killing Texas basketball, but I 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.120 wasn't ranked too high. So he drove to my hometown 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:17.960 in the middle of the ghetto during the daytime where 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.280 it's crack being so nigga smoking all kind of shaft. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.160 He pulls up by himself. Everybody back. I think it's 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.319 the police, like who are you looking for? And he 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.559 caused my name, So I'm like, I don't know. You 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.000 don't put me on the blast in front of the homies, 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:31.400 like you know what I'm saying. And he was like, nah, 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.760 my name is Josh Passler. I go to Kingwood to 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:34.480 have my own age. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:35.199 How old are you? 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.360 Brothers, Like, I'm seventeen. Told me as AU team wanted 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:39.440 me to come play on this team. I'm like, Bro, 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:40.840 I ain't got no money, ain't no car, I can't 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.679 get to Houston. He drove Bro three times a week 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.400 from Houston, which is I wouldn't have picking me up. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.520 I would have back to practice and I won't have 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.360 back then I won't have back to go to school. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.280 The next day. He did this shit three times a 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.160 week just so I can have a chance to play 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:59.240 AAU basketball. And his dad had a relationship with he 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.040 worked for red He was a big wig in the 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.880 Red Cross and he had a relationship with Steve Smith. 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.120 So he started coming at AAU games. And Uh, I 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.360 remember trying out. This is the school year finish start, 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.600 and I'm on the football field running trying to for football. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.679 I'm running routes. Got to pass on. I ain't thinking 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.560 about basketball yet. My mom coaching, my uncle come around 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.480 the corner. I'm like, ah, Ship, this can't be good. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.199 Like take that shit off. You're going to Okill. I'm 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.080 going to Okill for what I want to we can 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:25.880 go back to back. I'm trying to say, like, nah, 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.360 your ass stay here, You're going to jail. You know 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:29.920 what I'm saying, Cause I stayed in trouble. I stayed 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.199 in trouble around that time, so I didn't see what 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:33.480 they was doing for me at the time. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:33.959 You know what I'm saying. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.280 I was hard, heited, I wanted to be home with 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.679 my friends, and uh, sending me okay was the best 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:39.240 thing that ever happened to me. That's crazy. 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:43.640 And we just had to move on saying, I know 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.120 we had a little bit of this conversation with who 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:46.920 your top five? You know, so who y'all started five? 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:51.120 You're taking oak Hill, Brandon Jennings, Okay, DJ at the one, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.319 Rondo m hm, I'm sorry. I got to go small 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.480 BJ Ronald because they were just that good when it 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:05.480 was there. We're talking about Ed Okill, Yes, sir, h Nello, 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.920 Josh k d tough, that's that's crazy five. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:18.800 I got to give you on though. Was the problem 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.960 too nasty Tripp monster. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.240 And it's quite as kept he don't get spoken on that. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:28.520 But no one was killed out there too. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.319 Nolan is a winner, Yes, sir, you know what I'm saying. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:33.040 Nolan is a winner. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:34.800 Shout. I know, none as the one. You know, even 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.880 that dude, he brought the winning field. No, just a winner, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:37.640 but he was solid. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:39.679 Sure, we got to talk about it, man. One of 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.120 our favorite o gs, Mike Bibbie, that's my real brother. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:48.040 That was when I first got my rookie year. He 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:48.719 was out. 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.360 Oh my god, people in the world. 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.439 Bro Let me let me tell you how close me 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.160 and Mike is. I My wife talked about natuation when 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.000 that I had it was end up getting married and 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.880 end up calling the wedding off at the right you 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.240 read to start because my wife was signed to my 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.800 fiance at the time, was signing the prenup and I 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.839 was hurt at the time, I was crying. Afterwards, I 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.760 was hurt because then all this stuff, my family was there. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:13.719 It was just a lot on me. 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.599 Mike Mom came and wiped snock from my nose and 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.480 from my face with a bad hands and told me 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.040 I became a man. That That's when I knew she 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.360 she really loved me. So for his mama to do 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.040 that to me, I let y'all know how tight we are. 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.079 You know what I'm saying That his mama is really 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:29.320 the reason why I made it to the NBA. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.360 That's real. That's hard, bro. How did I even link 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:32.800 up though? 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:37.959 Like so high school, we both signed with Arizona, so 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:39.440 we both was going we had the number of recruiting 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.680 class that year, and the first semester I actually stayed 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.400 with him on campus because I couldn't pass the test. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.520 I I wudn't even going to the I wasn't even 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.920 going actually to take it. I was just like, I'm 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.360 they're gonna have to just give me the grade or something, 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.760 And I took the tests a couple of times and 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.640 still couldn't pass it. Where I end up after the 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.400 first semester, they had to kick me off campus. So 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:01.920 his mo mom had got together, was like, he can't 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.719 come back to put on like that, that ain't it? Like, 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.439 So she my mama, let me stay with her and 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.160 I worked out with his older brother Dane. They was 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.000 taking me to workout every day. And one morning she 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.360 woke me up like get your shoes, and Dange wasn't there, 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:15.920 so I'm like, what're we going? So like just get 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.480 your shoes and we in the car. She ended up 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.400 driving me to the Phoenix Sons Arena where they play 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.360 it now, and we walked them. I'm looking at her 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.280 like because when we drive in, like she didn't have 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.280 to say a name to you know, normally you got 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.680 to have a pass up. She just waved out and I'm. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.680 Like, yeah, poor like that his motherfucker my hard. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.120 Yeah. So we come down and pull and she know 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.200 she had had already talked to Danny Ainge and to 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.120 bring me down there to play pickup, and Jason Kidd 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.720 immediately embraced me. He ended up picking moments team and 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.520 that's when I was young, So I was catching lives 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.400 and all kinds of shit. I was going crazy in there. 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.800 Off high. I was high, and all that going I was. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:56.600 I was wrong. And after I played, Danny ain't told 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:57.880 me that they had they had one pick in the 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.240 draft of the second to the last pick, but the 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.960 roster was full. But they're like, you know you played 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:04.800 well up today that we're gonna draft you and guarantee 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.120 you twenty fifty thousand, but we're gonna see you the CBA. Nigga, 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:08.520 I was drafted. In my mind, I'm in the league. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.680 I didn't you get damn fifty thousand. All that Nigga's good, 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.760 let's go, you know what I'm saying. But once you 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.840 get in the dough, you notice tm J T. Once 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.200 you get in the dough, you good. And I got drafted. 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.360 I bounced overseas, but my name was in that system. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.240 You know what I'm saying. For getting drafted, that's all 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.440 I needed. And that all the Mike to Mike Mom, that's. 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.520 Dope, bro. I didn't know. Danna Angel said boss too. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.200 That's one of the people I fried. You know, you 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.600 don't like to talk about it because you keep saying 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:35.800 we was on the same teams, like. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.920 That's god man, But I fried, Like. 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.520 I feel like they said said if I didn't, I said, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.080 I fried everybody else. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:43.600 That was there. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:49.520 Yeah, that's my dog, that's my dog. I had a 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.240 great day that day. I was young and hunger. I 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.080 had a great day that day. That's hard bro a 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.320 great day. How was that? 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.400 Overseas stint though? Like, where'd you go? 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:00.640 First? I went to I went to Venezuela. First, tell 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.800 you about my first day of Venezuela, which is crazy. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.800 I get there automatically didn't go because you know, I've 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.640 never been out the country, being up a small time 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.440 and put off that. I like, I'm you're going to 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.040 Venezuela fresh out of high school, played basketball like my 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.280 mom was terrified. I get there the first day. They 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.120 picked me up and uh, they take me straight to practice. 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.080 And it's like a bridge probably like a mile ahead 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.320 of us. So now when we get to come around 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.520 the corner's the bridge is traffic. So everybody going slow. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.040 So he he trying to figure out why is the traffic. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.000 When we get to under bridge, it's a fourteen year old, 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.640 this small kid by fourteen fishes old land on the 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.720 ground here, just jumped off the bridge. That's my first 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.320 day up. So I'm looking out the window seeing the 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.240 dead body. My first day in Venezuela. Damn. I'm like, 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.880 I'm like, I can't tell you. I'm not gonna take 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:40.640 this ship. I can't. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.160 You know what I'm saying. Call my ma, Mama, my mama. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.440 G I'm like, Mama, as soon as I'll tell everything 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.200 I see, I'm like, I ain't even do that. She's like, 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.120 so what you're gonna come what You're gonna come back 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.680 home and do the ain't gonna be in miles you look. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:54.000 So I'm like, damn, I. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.840 Can't. I was. I was the food. I was bro 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.399 bro to be honest, I ode ill served at the 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.760 age of seventeen twice before I got to Mike sou 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:10.840 I was so I needed a lot of change. 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:11.360 You know what I'm saying, A lot. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.280 That's why I credit so many people, you know what 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.040 I'm saying in my life because if I didn't have 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.280 all these people, I wouldn't be here right now. Real 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:19.760 yeah story right there. 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.200 So So when you actually got on the court, that 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:23.040 is crazy. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.359 How was that though, and Venezuela was cool because you know, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.240 I was playing basketball, I was making money. I wasn't 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:30.960 making much, you know what I'm saying. I wasn't with 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.240 my wife then, but I made thirty thousand dollars. The 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.240 women were so beautiful, and Venezuela I left all my 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:36.000 money that was doing. 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:38.680 I'm just keeping it. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.680 I had never been out of the country, and you 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.639 take a little ghetto nigga from put Out bringing to 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.840 Venezuela where they breathed Miss Americas. You know what I'm saying, 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.639 I lost it. I don't keep poting. I lost. I 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.080 probably came back to like eight dollars, ten dollars. I 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.359 lived it all there, you know what I'm saying. A 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.800 brick of weed that had they say your brickle weed 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.679 had seeds in it. It was, but you like two 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.840 hundred dollars. So I was getting the chicken. I had 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.800 had to give me a pack of new Ports a box, 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.880 put all the cigarette the tobacco, and stuffed the weed 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:05.320 and all of them. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.280 So I had packed some cigarettes. But when it was 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:07.760 all weed. 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.680 So I was enjoying myself out there. I was eighteen nineteen. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:12.440 I didn't know what to do. I wasn't thinking about 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.159 saving no money and going home, nothing like that. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:14.359 Bro. 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.600 It was. It was a great experience, but my mind 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.879 still was like, if I'm having fun here, imagine what 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.399 I'm gonna have when I get to the league. Bro. 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:23.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.639 If I can enjoy this, I can enjoy anything. So 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.280 that's how I feel when I first went to Miami. Yeah, 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:31.200 I ain't going back to now. 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:42.440 I've heard a lot with oh No and you. Joe 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:46.640 just the best, said Lord, I like this stuff. 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:50.560 Overseas. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.159 I've been bens wading for six months. I played two 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.080 years in Dominican Public Dominican Republic, won the championship there, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.400 played in Australia, broke my foot in Australia, and show 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.480 France for like two weeks. I couldn't stand it because 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.639 the smell and they just they just wasn't taking care 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:07.960 of themselves, you know what I'm saying, Like the gym, 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:09.760 all that stuff like it wasn't something I wanted to 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:10.240 be a part of. 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.640 I was that transition from you know, the overseas world. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.399 Now you I don't want to mess it up like 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.040 I think he went to New Jersey first. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.040 so you went straight to New Jersey. How was that 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:23.359 like transition? 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.080 Well for me, I broke both of my feet. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.680 Uh. The second time I broke my foot, I was 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.080 was the last day of cuts for the Bulls, and 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.800 I made the team. Like I went from not being 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.280 on the having a pinion in the Pendy Jersey to 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.520 the last day I got on the purple I mean 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:41.480 the regulationship. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.080 Like, you know what I'm saying, I'm with the starters. 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.960 So when if you went the starters last day when 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:47.560 they got two people making the team, you basically know 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:48.320 you're making the team. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:49.160 Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.320 Broke my foot the day of last cuts, going for 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.240 a leg, broke my foot, called my mama again, but 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.560 this time I was crying like a little bit to 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:58.960 my ball and like maybe this ain't it. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:19:59.480 You know what I'm saying. 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.520 I broke both my feet, like going through all the ship, 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.600 maybe I gotta do something else. And it wasn't nothing 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.359 else for me to do because I wasn't smart, you 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.320 know what I'm saying. I wasn't prepared to go to 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:08.920 school and get a job and those ship like that. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.760 She's like, so what you're gonna do. You're gonna come home, 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.359 You're gonna heal up, and you're gonna get back out there. Mama, 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.720 she wouldn't let me sit in that ship. 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:18.240 You know what I'm saying. 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.080 She wouldn't let me sit in that ship, even though 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.200 she was hurt too, because she she's seen it on 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.360 me like I was dead though, you know what I'm saying. 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.000 I was there, bro, I feel to make the team. 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:27.560 I'm here. All the hardwork is over. 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:29.359 I made it and that ship happened the day of 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.760 and uh I was devastated for a while. 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:32.960 Bri, I ain't gonna lie. I stayed home. 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.160 I had to play basketball for like eight months, didn't 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.200 do nothing, and I didn't think I you know, I 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:38.320 didn'tink I ever play again. 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.359 Okay, crazy, you gotta go. 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:46.000 You go from that feeling to being the NBA champions. 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.320 Them they're crazy though, So what made you start hooping again? 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.040 Like obviously he said your mom was pushing you. 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.880 Well, I got an opportunity to play summer League with Vancouver. 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:57.199 I got opportunity to play Mike. 0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:59.959 Mike came went to Vancouver, and uh I went out 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:01.760 that with Mike and I ended up playing some league 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:05.480 with them, and I was busting Sharip abdu Ram, that's 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:06.800 my boy. I was. 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:08.600 I was hungry, bro. You know what I'm saying. 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:09.320 I was hungry. 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:10.120 You know what I'm saying. 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.399 I was. I was hungry. And I was out there shining, shining, shining, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.399 preseason shine and practice shining. And they cut me. 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.119 I'm like, God, damn, I'm like what I got to 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:20.600 do about? 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.560 Like it? Is it? I'm starting to learn the game too, though, 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.720 the posess, the political side of basketball. 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:27.680 It ain't about how good you is. You know what 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:28.080 I'm saying. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:29.399 You got to fit in with You got to fit 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:30.960 in with the team, and they want you to buy in. 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:32.920 I wasn't buying inn the ship at that time. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:34.040 You know what I'm saying. I was. 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:35.840 I wasn't coachable and none of that. 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:36.600 I was just raw. 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:38.680 Give me the ball, get out the way, let me 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:40.159 compete against my man. You know what I'm saying. I 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.360 didn't know how to run plays, none of that shit. 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.080 So so they was right for to be keep me punking. 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:46.720 They was right for cutting me because I was just 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:48.520 a raw basketball player. I was. I didn't know how 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.480 to play the game yet. You know what I'm saying, 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.320 but as time passed, I played in summer League with 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.119 a couple other teams, and I ended up getting an 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.359 invite to camp with New Jersey And that's all because 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:03.119 Steph Marberry and King Martin. Yeah, I ended up going 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:04.800 up to preach the pre camp and I ended up 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.000 playing Steph and King. King got the drafted number one 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.280 that year, and they came and watched his practicing, like 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:12.679 bringing the camp. The byron was asking to bring him 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.119 the camp and men Ken he birol the number. Me 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:16.959 and Keen I already knew each other, and being from Texas, 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:19.200 King just wasn't he Keen lead. I think he's a 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.600 year younger than me. He had an injury. He had 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.880 an injury going into that year, so he broke his foot. 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.320 He broke his foot, still got drafted number one, and 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:28.040 that's why he went plus why he wont practicing. So 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.800 but anyway, they got me in and once I got in, 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:33.560 you know, I just yeah, yeah, everything worked out for me. 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.280 I had number one. You got the number one pick 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:37.520 and the starting point guard on your side. You know 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:38.800 what I'm saying, It's kind of hard to. 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.719 Go who shows in the roads. What was that vent 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:41.359 that grabs you. 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:43.679 It was it was stuff. So you know, me being 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:45.480 from Texas, we used to have the starch down pants, 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:47.680 but with a bitches can stand up. He was on 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:48.800 the pocket. 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:52.800 Ship kick. 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:53.240 It did that. 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.200 You you went to some workout and did you go 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.320 somebody in New York and said you was in the 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.639 gym and like literally took your fans off falls. 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:05.040 It's like set them up. They really stood up like Harton. 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:10.280 So I told you, so, look, I'm getting ready to 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.280 come in the draft. This is this. I knew what 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.320 I knew. Face was drafting me and they flew me 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.000 out to New Jersey to work out in New Jersey 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.280 gym with this guy name I forgot his name, but 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:21.159 he was working out our handthm time. This is my 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.160 first time meeting now was like set sixteen seventeen. Be'st 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.320 niggas the biggest dude I've ever seen in my life. 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.960 I'm like this nigga in high school and. 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.159 We ended up working out together. He actually work out 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:33.480 with him. So I wasn't planning on working out. So 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.880 I had on some jeans. I told you who takes, 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:37.960 So my shit was starched down talking about I pulled 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:39.359 them business off and just stood them up. 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:44.879 I showed him. 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.600 I showed him to practice one day and Steph was like, 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.840 oh now, oh now a nigga. Steph took me. This 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.639 is a true story. Steph took me, brought me an 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.320 escalade this when Esclades first came out. Bought me like 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.359 ten pass of Tims baggy jeans. He brought me the 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.119 whole swagh. He like, man, take that shot off. He 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.199 made me take my jeans off and left and they 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:08.080 threw them in the trash. Win'm on state flow jeans 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:11.080 out here. I'm like, sh that's ship since we're. 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.520 Here, because I ain't gonna ain't gonna front. I used 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:20.399 to start my ship, okay, real ship, though I should. 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:26.600 Never stood how the fun was putting in the cleaners 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:30.679 and and you say heavy starts, you want heavy starts, 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:32.080 so start. 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:33.600 You can see the iron print on the business. 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:40.200 You just that just how we did it out next, 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:43.479 I don't want with the night back in the day 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:45.760 off the way from you had jeans on, you flipped 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:46.240 the bottom. 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:47.359 You flipped the bottom. 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.719 Yeah that you got it. And then your pass too 0:24:51.800 --> 0:25:03.760 big hit with this one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:04.160 the one. 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:07.160 Yeah, Okay, I remember that story. 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I don't remember Jersey and stuff. 0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:34.520 I know you from Fivecats, Yeah, from Golden State, you 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.840 know the spursanship of me was the guy the bodcast because. 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:39.960 You was averaging twenty you was cooking. But when was 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:41.760 that year? If you were a click? But see that's 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:43.920 that's the difference. You play the game. You know the game. 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:45.560 If I would agree with you, because that was my 0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:46.120 best year. 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.640 Yeah, that was my best years playing basketball. 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.000 But New Jersey it clicked because when I got there 0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:53.280 byron On was fucking with me and I ended up 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.520 starting my first first game of season. I ended up starting, 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:57.040 I end up making it I end up making a 0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:00.960 Rookie All Star Game. I'm leading all rookies in storing, 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.040 even the number one pick that's on my team. I'm 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.399 leading all scoring going into the Rookie game. I come 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.359 back from the Rookie game, I don't play no mo 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:09.000 the rest of the season. Why do you think that 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.280 I have no idea? So for me, this is what 0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:16.360 I think. So Byron had a son named Thomas Scott 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:17.960 that was the same age of me, and he was 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:19.560 there around the time, so I hung with him. I 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:20.959 was the youngest of him, so I hung with him 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:24.280 a lot, and his wife basically treated me like a son. 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:26.920 So I don't know if he thought that I was 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.600 hitting on his wife or something like that, but that's 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:32.080 that's the only thing I could think of, because that 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:36.240 the animosity that he showed to just stop playing me 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.160 with no kind of excuse, you know what. I don't 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:39.960 even talk to me about it, Like I thought it 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.000 had to be personal, you know what I'm saying. And 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:44.840 his wife was just she was a mother to me 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:46.720 because I was still young and she felt like I 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.280 needed some guys, and my mom appreciated. But I think 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:53.879 he took it the wrong way okay, yeah, because. 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:55.240 I got a story about when we play. You played 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:55.800 on the podcast. 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:57.119 I'm gonna let you get to that because you want 0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:01.399 a championship with the Spurs, so you know when you 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.080 were rookie, you're gonna play. Well, I didn't play, so 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:05.960 I'm talking at the end of the bench, so I 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:07.840 just yelled ship out. I can't remember who the point 0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:09.240 guard with your team was. I think it might have 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.399 been light He went he went to. 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:17.040 The basketball t was like, hell no, and he looks. 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.280 He looked at the intern shut your ass up. But 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.480 I'm laughing because now I got I got him start 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:26.720 like I'm getting under your skin. I can't play that 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:27.240 when I'm. 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:29.159 Mad, I can't play up. 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.200 So I'm like, I'm gonna keep talking. 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:34.119 So next time he comes he comes to the sideline, 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.359 I say something else like that ship off. He would us, 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.000 you know, talking ship but they starting knowing me and ship. 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.440 So now I'm standing up doing all the antique something 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:43.040 I ain't playing. 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:45.800 So I'm trying to entertain myself. Really, So it gets 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:47.360 to the last shot of the game, right. 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.240 One of the best storytellers, this nigga. 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:51.920 So he got the wall on the wing bar bench. 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.720 So I'm like, mom, like, mo wk that ship up? Man, 0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:02.040 he's Jack. Jack won dribble right hit the game winner. 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.600 I think you on the stands right on the stairs. 0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:08.600 I'm like, oh, she was about to come from me. 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.280 I ran to the back of the locker room. I 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:18.880 was like, watch I come back out and shut the fuck. 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:21.960 I ain't gonna say that. That was my only game 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:28.040 winn in my career, was the only one that walk Off, 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:32.120 you know, walk Off hit the shot. I ran to 0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:34.520 the back, like, oh, Ship came back there and shut 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.280 the funk up. I was like, I ain't gonna say nothing. 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:42.600 Who else was coach on that? You know? I ended 0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.040 up making Off should have made it because Ship changed 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:46.680 when I got there. But I was happy for him 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.720 because that was really my partner in crime. Like I 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:50.960 felt like I was back with Ron our test, you 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.440 know what I'm saying, with Jerl on that wing and 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:54.600 were arguing about who guarding. 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:55.320 You know what I'm saying. 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.520 I love having another guy that's gonna compete on the 0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:59.240 wing like that, Like playing with Ron was the best 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.760 ever bro run a test, Like I would never have 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.120 a teammate that could dominate on both fans of the 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.720 court every night if he wanted to. You know what 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.160 I'm saying, like running somebody who I feel like, as 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:10.880 a team, the only teammate that could have won m 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:12.840 v P and Defensive Player Year in the same year. 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:16.080 And we're here with it. Listen, we are babies, man. 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:17.560 You know what I'm saying. We was locked in on 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:21.479 that Pacer stuff. Man, that day that that happened. 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:24.040 Nobody could believe that should happened at all. 0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.120 We didn't. I couldn't even believe it either, Bro, to 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:26.960 be honest. 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:28.479 That was our championship year. 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:29.800 Though I ain't gonna thank you. 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.400 We were smacking all four pistols that year. Bro. 0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:36.880 At the time, I played on the Pacers before and 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.400 that organization, everybody knew that was a year. Like even 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.440 when I came on the team, they didn't think we 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.320 was winting no championship year. 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.719 They knew that riggie too, because that was the year 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:48.680 for us to win. You know what I'm saying that 0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.560 that ship that won this ship happened five like five minutes, 0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:53.520 fucked up our whole season, But we was beating the 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.320 ship out of them to bow out. 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:59.240 Ye, I was cracking everybody shipbod we. 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:02.480 Was pacers might never want to to get I mean 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:04.080 had an opportunity to get close like that. 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.000 I mean pg in them they were straight white. That 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:07.960 was the best team to me. 0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:09.960 I know they went to the finals with Regid them, 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:11.120 but the team. 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.080 We had was the best team. I had killers. 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.560 I had killers, but from top to from all the 0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:19.240 way around though, from one, two, three, five, like Jeff Foster, Jamano, 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:24.320 Neil Ron test Me, Regim Miller, Jamal Tesley, who had 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:28.479 Scott poll on sideline. We had fucking Fred Jones. Uh, 0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:29.960 we had we had a mob, bro, we had a 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.400 solid mob. I don't I didn't see nobody beating us 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.520 in the seven game series at all. That what a 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:39.760 run on testing his right mind. Nah, it wouldn't happen now, y'all. 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:40.560 That was the year. 0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.240 I just remember from that fight because Fred Jones, he 0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:44.880 used to be in India a lot. He used to 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.000 litter for a minute. I used to always mess when 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:48.680 he would come hoop at the gym and ship when 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:49.840 he had that broom. 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:54.160 Everybody else whooping as it was the fun you do 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:55.520 it for, Sweet. 0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.840 Fred Weeds Ben brother ended up. 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.160 If y'all look at the film Ben Brother because I 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.440 think Benham has just lost somebody in their family. Before 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:07.560 the game, Ben Brother had ended up right behind Fred 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.920 and tried to knock his head. He turned into. 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:14.400 Fred got out of all this. 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:16.880 He didn't get hit, and it was a big boy 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:21.800 he throwing a big boy like he moves on. It's 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:23.600 because if you look at the videos at the time 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:25.800 where they was paying it to everything happened and everybody else, 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:26.520 you don't see emotion. 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:28.680 But Fred was in the stands ducking for his life. 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.120 He was like, damn, My thing was why even go 0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:31.600 out there? 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:33.560 You know what I'm say, going and saying to me, 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.840 and like I really don't feel like we should have got. 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:36.960 Suspended like Ron maybe. 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.680 But then again, if you think about, Okay, if somebody 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:41.920 we out at a restaurant and somebody throw a beer 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:44.200 on your face, that's the salt. You know what I'm saying, 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:47.000 You can press charges on them, right Not if you're 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.440 a black athlete, Yeah, I got not if you're a 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:51.320 black athlete. 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:51.720 You can't. You know what I'm saying. 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.480 We was at work, bro, you know what I'm saying. 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.840 Anybody was getting saw to the work. They're not getting 0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:57.480 in trouble. Why would we get in trouble because we 0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.840 defended ourselves. And I have to say this too, when 0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:02.120 you look at the tape I got, I got suspended 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:07.360 thirty games, got fined three million dollars, right, so if 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:09.840 you look at the tape, I ran up six rolls 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.200 to get and I grabbed run. If I was on 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:16.440 some bullshit, I could hit somebody on row one, two, three, four, five, six. 0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:18.720 I wasn't on. I went up and I grabbed Ron 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.440 immediately look at the tape. As soon as I grab him, 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:23.840 they throw another beer in his face. That's the dude 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:24.200 I hit. 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:25.240 You know what I'm saying. 0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:27.080 So that's why I'm feel like I shouldn't have I 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.640 shouldn't have got suspended for defending my teammate and being 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:31.120 you know what I'm saying. I didn't go Now, if 0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:32.760 I went up there in the first row, hit a nigga, 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:36.040 second row, hit a nigga, like okay, yeah, kicking ass, 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.840 I have to leave. I didn't do that. You can't. 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:40.640 You can't a leisure and all every. 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.360 For real you and Jayo because Jao hit dude, he slipped. 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:46.640 But if he didn't slip, bro. 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.120 And he's still left on the stretcher. 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.520 Yeah, the dude Jayo slipped and the dude still left 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:53.120 on the stretcher. 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:54.280 That's how crazy. 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.760 I'm glad. I'm glad he did. Oh my god, can 0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:03.600 you imagine Jao teeing up and lining somebody up. What dude? 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:11.080 Clay Click kicked that off though, So no wrong was wrong. 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:16.000 So I'm at the free throw line. 0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:16.839 Look at the game. 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:17.839 I'm at the free throw line. 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:19.160 I'm gonna tell you some shit that a lot of 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.560 people don't know. I'm at the free throw line. I'm 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:23.960 shooting the free throw. All I hear is you can 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:27.239 get your file back. And Jamal Tense is telling that 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:31.840 to Ron. I'm like, man, what we don't tell him that? 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:34.360 So I'm like, fuck it, I go you know what 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.120 I thought. I hit him, make the free throw. I 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.200 ran back. Look at the tape. I ran back fast 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.080 and jumped and guarded Ben just so wrong. Cann't file 0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:46.080 him guarding Ben. I'm just letting Ben go score with 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:47.719 the termin and out go ahead. You know, I'm just 0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.120 playing token defense. I ain't follow him go score wrong, 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.799 come from out of nowhere and file him hard. I'm like, oh, 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:58.920 being turned around and got ten times bigger nigga swilling. 0:34:58.960 --> 0:34:59.680 I'm like that incredible. 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:06.279 I'm like, boom, nigga run I thought run head came off. 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.799 My nigga pushed Ron ship back so fast. I'm about guy. 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.040 I've never seen a nigga put his hands in somebody's 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:16.080 face like that, though, and Ron just you know, he 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:17.319 tried to get himself together. 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:18.600 I know he was kind of woozy. 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:19.160 He had to be. 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:21.120 He tried to get it something. We ended up breaking 0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:21.440 it up. 0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:23.479 But if Ron would have never came up in five 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.839 Ben I was guarding him tip with the game would 0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:26.840 have ran out. We'd have been out of you know 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.520 what I'm saying. But Jamal Sensey told it, bro, get 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:31.760 your file back from last year something in the finals 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:33.800 that I hadn't you know what I'm saying, didn't know 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:35.879 nothing about it, and I ended up in that ship 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:37.879 and that's how all that ship started off. That ship 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:41.600 would never happened. That's crazy, fuck bro crazy. 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.200 I want to talk about them Spurs teams though, because 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:46.400 you played to me with the best fire for it 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:47.520 to ever do this. 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.439 I agree with you on that. Like, how was that point? 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:51.880 I know it was a couple of fun niggas on 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:54.560 the team. If you don't want to, I. 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:00.400 Met you. 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:00.800 I met you. 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.480 I keep it from Yeah, you ain't got to speak 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:07.080 on the bigges. How was that playing for Pop Bro 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:08.120 one of the graziest. 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.600 So I say this and people think I'm crazy, But 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.560 Pop is not a great coach. Hold on, he's a 0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.440 great leader, you know what I'm saying. See if you 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.800 look at the Spurs teams and look at all the 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.520 coaches that come under Pop, that's head coaching somewhere else. 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:23.160 Look at all the guys that came in and came 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.680 into Spurs organization. That was film guys, that's GMS and 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.359 President of the team, Sam Preston. All these guys right 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.279 all over the league. They so he Pop is a 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.440 great leader. When you when you play for the Spurs teams, 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.960 when you look at the timeouts, Pop has a When 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.200 I was there was an offensive coach and the defensive coach. 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:44.160 My offense coach was Mike Budd Newser He's been Coach 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.239 of the Year two years. Mike Brown. That was your guy, 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.800 Bud news Mike Brown and sant Sacramento. He was the 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:54.279 defensive coach. So doing timeouts they meet, but budd comes 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.200 in with offense, the time out, Mike comes in. That's 0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.040 why That's why I say Pop is not a great coach, 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.239 He's a great leader. He leads the organization from the 0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:05.000 top with everybody from the gym to the ball boys 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:09.440 to the camera guys. Everybody sneaking championship or bus right. 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:11.600 And you go to a lot of organizations where the 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.160 leader of the organization doesn't have the power to have 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.719 everybody buying into that. That's why I say he's the 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.480 best leader because he can. He can bring any coaches 0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.440 in there, make them look good, and send them off 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:23.839 somewhere else with their head coaches. He got a guy 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.839 that was the film guy when I was there. He's 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:29.040 the head coach of the Utah Jazz. Now you know 0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.279 what I'm saying. So Pop, That's why I say he's 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.000 a leader. He's not a great coach. He brings he 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:36.080 brings great coaches under him. But he's a great leader. 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:37.799 And I don't think it's a better leader in the NBA. 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:41.879 But my time there was a blessing because I learned 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:43.840 how to be a professional. I learned the NBA has 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.120 more than just playing basketball. I learned how to prepare 0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:47.360 you know what I'm saying. I learned how to be 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:49.400 a man because Steve Smith. He showed me how to 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.640 be a man with David Robinson. But not having Tim 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.399 Duncan there, I don't think I ever would have played. 0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:55.600 I would have got an opportunity to be on the court. 0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:58.480 When I first got there. Everybody don't know Tim is 0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.680 the action junky. So he playing paintball. He's like, he 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:03.719 like he got he got a thing. He had a 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.280 case full of guns, like he he do UFC training, 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:07.879 like he wanted those action type guys. 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:08.880 He like ashes. 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:11.560 So when I first got there, he needed somebody to 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:13.640 go play paintball with him. Yeah, I know that's right 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:14.240 up my alley. 0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:20.880 You're talking about throwing Jesus whatever. 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:29.239 Ship Samples used to wear. Crazy. That's the worst one ever, 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:33.279 the worst. Let you know. He didn't give a respect though. 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.320 He liked to play paintball. So I showed him, you know, 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:38.480 I showed him paintball with Diggie's on Chuck. He's like, boy, 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.480 you can't. You got to have some comfortable shoes like this, 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.560 ain't you know we can do a drive by. He's like, nah, 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.400 this ain't it. But you gotta get elbow passed. So 0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.279 I used to go play with him, so training camp 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.759 this funny story. So we go play and like, I 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.359 ain't scared of ship, like I really ain't. Besides God, 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.080 I ain't scared of no human. I ain't scared of nothing. 0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:57.960 That's just my problem. That's why I've probably been so 0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:01.840 much ship. And the name of the game is you 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:05.040 got to go grab the flag in the middle. So 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.439 I'm like, ain't nobody gonna go grab the flag? Yeah, nigga, 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:13.719 scary that. I dropped my gun, hall ass teach, So 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:16.879 I'm just start playing. So I didn't know they had 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:20.080 masks that don't fog up. I'm not hip to that. 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:21.840 I'm just, you know, I'm just trying to have on 0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:25.239 some ghetto ship. My mask fogged up. I gotta run 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:25.880 up the steps. 0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:26.719 Boom boom. 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:30.759 Nigga, shoot me, Nigga, I got it, Nigga. I missed 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:38.040 the last step and my mask lder uh, nigga, blood everywhere, Nigga, 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.440 my mouth, I'm talking, My shit is so swollen. Nigga's 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:43.399 blood everywhere, my tooth and went to my lip. All 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.319 kind of ship, right, So I slipped my mask down 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.160 and I'm running down trying to tell the niggas I 0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:54.680 hit my mouth. These nigga shoot. I'm like, they shoot 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.080 me and they think it's paint, but it's blood and 0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:58.920 it took over all my whole shirt. So I'm like, man, 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.160 stop me. You know what I'm saying, bleed par real. 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:05.040 So we gotta go to practice the next day. I mean, 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:07.040 with Tim, we lift and waives Pop coming out. What 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.560 happened this when Tim fuck with me? I mean, I 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:13.399 was playing at the house with my homeboard flat box. 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.439 You know what I'm saying, The straight up lied. Tim 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:16.919 thought I was gonna say. You know what I'm saying, 0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:20.640 straight up live to Pop nigga. You know, Pop knew 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.319 I was lying. He knew that shit. Ever since then, 0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:28.920 Tim bosh for me doing practice put I wasn't playing. 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.120 I was on practice squad. Put me on the first 0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:33.720 five with him to day he tell her, So Seattle, 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:35.399 We're playing in Seattle. One day, it's been like twenty 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.359 five games into the season. I'm coming off the bench 0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:41.080 on averisent by eighteen off the bench at the time. Yeah, 0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:43.640 I'm killing to it. Yeah, getting to off the bench. 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:45.520 You know what I'm saying, Playing probably like twenty five 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:51.160 minutes and pop cars like, come to my room. I'm like, 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:54.640 I get in this room, Tim and there I'm like, yep, 0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:05.160 they know they know we're gonna start you tonight. Okay, 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:11.200 get kicked off the team. We're gonna start you tonight. 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:13.839 You know you've been playing well, I'm like, okay, cool, 0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:15.960 but that on wasn't That depends the work hardest part. 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:18.960 I told you Steve Smith was my o G. So 0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.960 I was taking his spot. So you know, I walk 0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:25.160 in the locker room, I'm like, walk by him, don't 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:26.640 want to speak to him like this o G. Like, 0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:29.239 I don't know how he's gonna feel like, Hey, you 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.320 gooted for me. I'm rooting you the same way like 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:33.480 he was a real It was like, we don't do that. 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.479 I'm root for you just the way. It ain't personal, 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:38.440 you know what I'm saying. I didn't understand that I 0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:40.600 wasn't a professional then, you know what I'm saying. But 0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:43.160 for him to do that, it gave me the conference 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:44.959 to go out there and play. So shout to Steve Smith. 0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:46.960 But that's how I ended up really getting on the 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:48.600 court and getting a chance to play was because the Tim, 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.279 because Tim kept vouching for me. Was that this was so, 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.839 this is O three yep, did you want to chip? 0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:55.680 And that finals was crazy. I remember you having one 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:57.279 of the colts in and outs every like I was 0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:57.880 aware who you. 0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:02.080 Was, Kenny Martin, and I ever seen in all life. 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:03.040 Oh my god. 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.160 And I ain't I'm just not. I'm not like teaching. 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:06.800 I ain't the greatest handler. 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:07.799 You know what I'm saying. 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:09.920 I can control my ship. But some ship had come 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:12.160 out there now instinct. 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.440 You know what I'm saying. The niggas do this on purpose. 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:16.920 You know what I'm saying. My ship just came off instinct. 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.719 I remember that that was one of the hardest thing 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:21.959 I've ever seen in my life. 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.160 That was crazy. But man, like I said, we have 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.279 town babies, and y'all was going crazy. And to see 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.080 it at the same time the coast is going crazy. 0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:30.160 How was that the night life in the city because 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.000 the city ain't been the same since, But how was 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:33.759 that energy in the city when the coast is killing, 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.640 y'all killing, and everybody was outside and jail had the 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:41.280 clubs and had our own club every night, Sir. 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:48.400 Seven seven, shout out McAfee. Bob Sanders, Bob saying the 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:50.560 whole nine. It was the line. 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:52.239 It was the line back of the name. 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:54.160 No no no, no no no. 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:55.600 White. 0:42:55.640 --> 0:43:03.680 Freenie g next up with m That was my dogs. 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.440 They always out. We was all out together, bro. That 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:08.359 was my first That's probably the only time that I've 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.480 been in the city as the football team and we 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:12.480 hung together every night. I didn't do that to know 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.320 other city that that team. Those two teams were basically 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:17.800 like family, broke cause we supported each other, you know 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:19.759 what I'm saying. I think I stayed right next door 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.440 to Tony Dungeon, and the night I got hit by 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:23.960 the car, that was the first person at my house 0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:25.440 when I got home from getting stitched up. 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:26.200 He was the first person. 0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.680 Knocked on my door, Tony Dungeon. So I think just 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:30.680 the fact that a lot of the guys stayed in 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:32.239 the same neighborhoods and we support that. 0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:32.920 It was just dope. 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:34.480 And then it was a lot of guys on the 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:36.520 team that grew up like us, you know what I'm saying, 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:38.840 Andrew James, they grew up from the struggle too, So 0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:40.799 it was it was a great connection. Bro. You ever 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.239 hear Riverside on a Sunday. I sure did. 0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.600 Set all here. Theseggas, they're gonna make. 0:43:52.520 --> 0:44:01.760 It families everywhere. That's so crazy. We had a sheriff 0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.440 came to my house. Jail had a sheriff come to 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:10.120 the house and give all of his gun license after that. Yeah, 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:12.759 that's yeah, that's why I felt like that they had 0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:23.160 a gun Like kids untouchable, I'm gonna get off, get off, And. 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:24.200 It was crazy as a kid. 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:24.879 That that's how going. 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.280 Like you would see Jamali and the random s places, 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.600 Freshman all Fresh and Helf Fresh White T, Fresh Forces, 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:31.800 Fresh j Brother. 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:35.560 Cut my hair and he wore he wore Fresh Path Ones. 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.560 J T even practiced in the Fresh Path ones one day. 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:41.879 Solid that's untied. How was that like playing with him? 0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:45.560 He's under another point guard for sure, that's super underrated. 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:48.400 He was THEMN there to me before right for Austin 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:50.960 like the one type of player you know. So how 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:52.200 was that playing with Jamal. 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.759 One of the best post up guards you could ever 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.560 play against. His post game was underrated and as far 0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:00.879 as his passing and bar handling, you ain't gonna find 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.160 too many guys that's gonna do. The playground ship in 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.520 the game that he would do you know what I'm saying, 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:07.200 He'll he'll post up and turn around and throw it 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.080 through the guy legs on the box right down to 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.680 on the box once you threw his legs like. He 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:13.840 was doing stuff like that. So he was very probably 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.319 the most besides Baron David was the most creative person 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:21.160 with the ball I play with, and uh, like he's 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:23.560 very underrated. I just think because he the way he 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.000 played it was slow. He didn't give the even give 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:27.960 the effort all the time on defense like that, So 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:29.080 people kind of knocked him for that. 0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:32.799 As far as talent, he had it all six. 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.200 Yeah, probably a little taller, he looks. 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:37.680 He looked real little on them. 0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:40.000 It just got the ball on. 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:42.480 Yeah, he could pass, like. 0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:44.800 Especially when the coach he is playing for him to 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.200 play the way he played under that coach at the time, Yeah, 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.680 because LB wasn't going for that. Yeah, so for him 0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:51.480 to get that off, that's why. Yeah, we got some 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:52.280 inner City. 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:54.600 Outside of Tim Duncan. Who the best player you ever 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.439 played with? Tim got to be one. 0:45:58.239 --> 0:45:59.600 Tim is the best I played with. 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.600 If I have to go, it's out a run and 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.840 jo I got Barren number three, But it's out of 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:08.600 Ron and jail for too, because I seen Ron do 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.279 some amazing things on that court, Like it's dominated on 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:14.400 both sides of the court. And I seen Jermaine Damnar 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:16.480 to get seventy points. You know what I'm saying one night, So. 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:20.279 People sleep on used to get bucket broad don't happen. 0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.759 He's in the Hall of Fame already. That don't happen. 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:27.319 But run Roun's a Hall of Famer, So I give 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:27.520 you that. 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.799 I want to talk about that Warriors team though, yeah, 0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:32.719 that's probably I don't know. I ain't gonna say the 0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:33.720 most fried team. 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:37.560 On record, that's the if we're not the most burnout 0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:39.319 team in the. 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:48.880 Indiana team Charlotte, I mean the Golden State team was 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:51.279 probably the most burnout team ever in life. 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.319 Yeall made basketball fund though, Like watching y'all was like, damn, 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:54.919 that looks fun. 0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:57.200 But just imagine a whole bunch of people you grew 0:46:57.280 --> 0:46:59.080 up knowing high school. Y'all hit up on the same 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:04.480 NBA team. Y'all got a coach Donnie that the first 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:06.440 day I get there, just how he tell me and 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.560 Bettie we captains. He brings us to this little hole 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:11.440 in the wall, talk about I'm gonna take out to 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.839 this hole in the wall bar to play shuffle board. 0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:15.279 Who knows what shuffle board is. 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:18.759 Niggas don't know what that is, right, I'm like cool, 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.560 whatever we get there, it's with the sand, the little 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.319 metal balls and you slider time, you know what I mean. 0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:26.360 So we didn't play the ship at all. This nigga 0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:28.480 got a bottle of scotch and got me and bet 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:32.600 piss it drunk, talk about the to the Betie, blinking 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.360 our eyes and as we had like the fifth shoddy 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.240 tablets up, Larry, come on, Larry, hey, you guys are captains, 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:44.439 and he stumble out. We roll with him. We called, 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.960 we called the we called the driver from the and 0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:49.480 him and last. So he left with me this SMI 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:51.919 beaty sent at the bar like nigga talking about drunk 0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:54.960 because I don't drink scotch. We're sitting there waitting like 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:56.320 I guess we captains. 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:58.080 We had to buind our way home. 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.520 So that day we we knew that this all now 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:07.239 we coach. When we took our last drug test, me 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:08.880 and Bed coming out of the locker room with our 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:10.480 pink slip because they get your pink slip. I did 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:15.359 take you test my head coaches out like this, given 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:19.040 it's high five, come out. Yeah. Yeah, we already smoking 0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:21.080 because we live in the same building. But he giving 0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:24.960 us high five. That's what that's listen to explaining how 0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:26.840 our team was. You know what I'm saying, man, and 0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:29.560 our best friends. When we got that Montella didn't have 0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:33.800 a tattoo. You look at him now, your whole body tattoo. 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:36.200 He had one tattoo that was Matt. The best Matt 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:38.560 thought right there that boys did that to my taste, 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:39.000 is that you. 0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:40.839 And Matt first time linking up. Yep. 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:42.560 So that's how me and Matt became close. When his 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:44.680 mom died, you know what I'm saying, I stayed with 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:46.000 him the whole time. You know what I'm saying, We 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:48.800 really became But his mama died fast too from cancer, 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:52.160 and uh, instead of me going home doing those little 0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:53.560 breaks shit, I just stayed with him. And that's what 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:56.040 that's That's how Barnes started. Didn't start with the podcast 0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:59.359 started way before that in Golden State. But that team 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:00.920 bro was just a whole bunch of guys that been 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:03.080 knowing each other. We get a chance to play together. 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:04.480 We didn't think we was gonna make the playoffs and 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.640 no ship like that. We were just hungry and you know, 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:08.760 playing hard and playing for each other. Good shit happened. 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:11.440 Y'all was going out every night, every night. But it's 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:13.560 not one city. Let me tell you the story of 0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:18.040 New Year's. We're in Houston on New Years. We had 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:21.080 just beat the Rockets, right, so this is a typical 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:24.440 night with us. So this is New Year's. We beat 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.000 the rockets. We in the club. It's about club like 0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:28.520 an hour two for being closed. 0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:29.960 By this time. 0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:32.600 Our whole team is drunk, so everybody has a role. 0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:35.360 So I passed out the Bandanna, so everybody got a 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:41.640 red band downers. I don't know why Nbad's trip everybody. Okay, 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.160 Matt rot Mad is the drunk, pretty white boy, so 0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:50.000 we all drunk niggas and white beat us. He run 0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:52.719 around ripping niggas, white beat us off like some I 0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.960 don't know some school days type I don't know old schools, 0:49:56.000 --> 0:50:00.080 and I don't know some drunk white boys sh no 0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:02.480 niggas and the half niggas drunk half wife beat his. 0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:03.399 Own half farf right. 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:08.440 So normally it's my job to find Baron Davis. If 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:10.839 you don't find Baron Davis, it's gonna be a night 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.400 that we're gonna remember all we we're gonna regret it. 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.040 So I end up getting too fucked Uphy. I lose 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:19.719 barn and I get tapped by one my home. I 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:23.080 was like, bro, look your boy like what He on 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:29.680 his way to the DJ so look as soon as 0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:33.799 he grabbed the microphone my homebore Coppo tech d Finnig. 0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:39.200 Get us all to night, get us all the dated, 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:44.799 so I said, He grabbed the mic, stopped the music. Hey, 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:46.320 we're the Warriors. 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:47.960 We come to the city. 0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:51.400 We take y'all bitches. We beat our team. What's up, 0:50:52.160 --> 0:51:00.120 Luther Head? Because we gang bang? And he paused, And 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:10.360 we sell drugs. I told you, I told you. I'm like, 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:13.279 oh man, somebody gonna get this. This is New Year's 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:19.239 in Houston. So every drugs, this is the time we 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:24.080 get outside. Police everywhere. The police is everywhere. You know what, 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:26.800 I'm saying, peep outside that to fight or something. So 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:28.560 we all coming out, you know, we deep and the 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:31.240 police saying something to us. This nigga betells the police 0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:37.920 stand down. I am an honorary captain. I have this 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:43.520 under control. Stand down. This nigga told HP to stand down. 0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:47.040 I am an honorary captain. 0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:50.200 We was out there dying dog. That was one of 0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:52.080 the best. Nice but that's the type of night used 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:54.600 to have every night, thog. Every night everybody had a 0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:57.240 different niggas called Jay rich Don Julio. 0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:58.719 That was his favorite drink. 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:03.600 Then we was drinking back there. Yeah, yeah, we was 0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:04.360 going because I. 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:06.759 Heard them stories about yourn rogers. Didn't know how y'all 0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.200 got up and still one out in handle business. 0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:12.520 Miami night we played Orlando. Beat We beat Orlando. We 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:14.759 fly straight to Miami on the back to back. We 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:18.040 stay out till seven thirty in the morning. The whole team, 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:20.839 we all just go straight from the club to the bus. 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:25.359 We get on the busy Eric at the time, he's 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:27.000 one of the best trainers in the league for the war, 0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:28.520 so he brought all our stuff on the bus. So 0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:30.759 everybody on the bus with the clothes that had on 0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:35.440 from the game Orlando. That's crazy. We go to shoot 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:38.960 around Nellie walk out. There's about two people on the 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:44.600 court shooting everybody else those office like alcohol. He's like 0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:46.880 held break it and bring it ahead, We bring it 0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:50.600 and he's like, make go get back on the bus 0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:53.840 and we better win the night. One by thirty d 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.239 wading him, that's crazy one by thirty. I thought we 0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.680 parted when I was a rookie on Atlanta with bill Yonaim. 0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:04.440 Yeah, I know he was comfortable talking about that, but 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:05.560 I just hear about yad. 0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:05.759 Bro. 0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:08.520 That's what made me sponge to y'all because I'm a Friday. 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:10.919 Got the NBA is a joke. 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:19.279 I ain't if I would have took the game more series. 0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:20.880 I probably had a couple of All Star games, you 0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:22.520 know what I'm saying, without the broad ship. But I 0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:24.719 don't change it for not because I enjoyed my career. Bro, 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:27.920 your legend and I played with some solid brothers too. 0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:28.360 How was that? 0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:29.160 Can you speak on that? 0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:29.520 Uh? 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:30.920 That Maverick series though? 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:35.960 For me, Bro, I I watched that series a lot 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:40.160 because I didn't get the credit from the team for 0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:40.719 what I did. 0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:44.239 I saved us in the Western Conference finals. I saved us. 0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:47.440 Bro Genobilie was the only person that was was being 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:48.320 solid Tony. 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:50.840 Tony wasn't playing well because they were playing they had 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:53.520 to bring speedy classes in. Tim was getting doubled, so 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:55.719 he really couldn't get off and they was all they 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:57.800 weren't really doing that. So if you look at the games, 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.200 I'm making all the big shots, even when we have 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:02.280 we're going through droughts, I'm the only one scoring. 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:04.919 So when the last when it came. 0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:07.439 To game six, when they end up putting Steve Current 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:09.920 and hit throws fourth, it was big for us. Well, 0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:13.000 look at the whole games, the whole game and was 0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:15.279 still making big shots for him to give him the 0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:17.040 MVP at the end of the game, like that shit 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.279 crushed me. And the only reason that I don't talk 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:22.239 about this a lot because Genobi came to me when 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:23.759 I was in my locker. I was about to start crying, 0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:26.400 but he came like, bro, you deserved the MVP. For 0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:28.279 him to tell me that I was cool because that 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:30.160 was the only person on the court that whole series 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:32.080 that was riding with me. You know what I'm saying, 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:34.760 And it meant a lot. But I watched that series 0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:35.960 a lot brough because I don't feel like I got 0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:38.480 the credit I deserved for that series. I was busting 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:42.640 the ass and I was high every game, every game, 0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:43.919 every game. 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:46.480 You a legend now I want to talk about that 0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:48.560 Maverie series with you would. 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:51.160 Go though, Oh okay, oh yeah, after talking about the 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.120 one with the Spirst, so so that that one was 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:56.160 special because a lot of people don't know don Nelson 0:54:56.239 --> 0:55:02.520 was suing them. Oh damn, damn. You know he had 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:05.600 he had some the contract shit with Mark Cuban, so 0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:07.880 he was suing them during that time, you know. 0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:08.279 What I'm saying. 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:12.239 So his whole his whole idea was every time I 0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:13.280 played Dallas, I want. 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:13.600 To beat them. 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:16.520 I don't care about nothing else. And he knew Dirk's 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:19.280 game better than anybody. So he gave us the blueprint. 0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:22.279 Make him go right. If he go left, he got 0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:24.319 so he can fade away, he got. But if going right, 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:25.719 he don't even want to. He don't want to put 0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:28.879 the ball down. Damn. So me and Matt made sure 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:30.480 we made him go right every time, and we were 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:32.600 super physical with him. You know what I'm saying. Dirk 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:34.799 wasn't super physical. If you let him get the shot off, 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:36.640 that's your ass. Nothing you can do, you know what 0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:39.600 I'm saying. There's nothing you can do. And he want 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:42.000 MVP that year. He was the MVP that year. That 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:43.840 was the best team in the West. So I just 0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:47.840 think Donnie Nelson prepared us so well for them, you 0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:49.279 know what I'm saying, Because that's all because after we 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:52.480 beat them, he didn't care about the rest of the season. Nigga. 0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:55.040 We was preparing ourselves for the second round. Gets you talk. 0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:56.360 He didn't give a fuck. He was sharting up with 0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:57.640 Folk cigars in his pocket. 0:55:58.080 --> 0:55:58.600 Eight in the month. 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:00.520 He got drinking beer and shit. He didn'tet, but damn 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.200 dog after he beat Dallas and that was his ship, bro, 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:04.520 and we understood that why. 0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:05.520 We want to win so hard. 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:09.000 But if we don't have Baron Davis the way he 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:11.560 played Game one, we don't win that series in Dallas. 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:16.000 He went crazy that game one, Bro, thirty some points 0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:18.960 like he was and he kept all shots, was timely, 0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:20.720 so cold. 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:22.200 He's one of the coldest point guards. 0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:24.960 That's one of these shouts of myg he loved. 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:27.080 Yeah, he didn't want to tell me. I didn't watch 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:29.160 the NBA like that. And him and give the rings 0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:31.399 was the first some of the first point guards I watched. 0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:34.279 B He don't get hurt. He might go down to 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:38.520 top ten point goar whatever. He don't get hurt because athletics, 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:39.399 he had it all. 0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:40.799 He could score, that's all. 0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:43.200 Like he was mad. 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:44.320 I said he had a b BL. 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:56.800 But you know he needs to show up with practice, 0:56:56.840 --> 0:57:04.719 with his knee braises on top and sweat. So this 0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:06.640 is what I started fucking. I used to watch you 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:08.239 do the show with Skip Bas and Ship. Used to 0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:10.120 go in there and be real and never what time 0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:13.200 you talk about everybody you was better than and everybody 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:15.040 was mad at you. I was like, no, he just 0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:19.680 competent as fuck. Thank you, broank you like I didn't 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:21.680 have a better career in rayality, But if you look 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:23.440 at the games I played against a lot of these people, 0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:26.120 I balled out a lot of we might not have 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:27.640 won the game with my matches with a lot of 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:29.880 these people who y'all look up to, I bust. They 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:32.720 asked a lot of knights and lock them up, and 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:34.520 you can go look at the games. I'm not making 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:35.800 it up, but I'm not like I said, I didn't 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:38.040 have better careers than these people. But I'm a competitor. 0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:41.120 And when it came to the game, yeah, I wasn't 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:43.760 a better shooting than Ray, but I better postal player, 0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:45.560 I passed better. I was a better defender. I was 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:47.680 a lot of things better than him on the court, 0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:49.560 you know what I'm saying. So as a player, people 0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:51.720 understand as a fan that like you just hating, But 0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:53.560 I did it in real time. 0:57:53.720 --> 0:57:55.960 I don't think you was hating messages. 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:57.640 You know. And I admit they have better careers than me. 0:57:57.720 --> 0:58:00.160 I wouldn't. I'd have a better career events either, But 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.520 Benson tell you I had some great games against it. 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.080 But they understand it's different when you just be like, 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:07.400 let's go roll the ball out, Like it's a bunch 0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:09.240 of people to probably bust my ass. They probably don't 0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:11.200 have a better career than me, but it ain't too 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:13.800 many people can stand in front of you so that 0:58:13.960 --> 0:58:18.000 they lose right there. Yeah, just like Jordan Crawford, Like 0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:19.880 that's my man. But if you roll the ball out, 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:22.720 let's just go hoop. Yeah, he'll funk around, give you fifty. Yes, 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:26.040 he could score, yeah, but like three, yeah, you know 0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:27.800 what I mean, Like he'll roll the ball out, he'll 0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.120 get buckets and a lot of people can't outscore. 0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:32.160 Was a motherfucker though he was. 0:58:32.360 --> 0:58:35.640 He was walking down down, and I love you, Jack, 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.560 that nigga Jesus shuttles word. 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:44.120 Was the truth for him to transition his career from. 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:47.880 Because we grew up Milwaukee Bucks supersonic real and for 0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:49.400 him to go strictly just shoot her. 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:51.360 I remember, you know what I mean. I don't know 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:54.520 how he was off the court, but Jesus shows. 0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:57.800 Word, not Hughes cut was. It was athletic bro and. 0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:02.200 He he Loki had a handle to pull up off 0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:10.400 the dribb. Milwaukee was out of control, was scoring twenty 0:59:10.480 --> 0:59:13.040 five a night with another nigga with Charlan Lewis another 0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:14.640 motherfucker that people don't speak. 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:15.439 On like thought. 0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:17.120 I took it as you was talking about we rolled 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:19.560 the ball out and it ain't no place we don't got. 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:21.760 I knew how, I knew what about you meant like, 0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:22.480 we just. 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:24.440 Put the ball out here. I can kill him too, 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:26.480 and any given night I could be better than any 0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:27.040 one of them guys. 0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:30.800 So so speaking on that though, you know you was 0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:33.400 known for defending the ship. Who is the hardest or 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:37.960 you can give us two hardest of the guard, Kobe, 0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:38.640 not even close? 0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:43.320 Who else? Stuff one person? 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:47.280 Because I guarded you got mello, Yeah, I got a mellow. 0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:49.919 I got a mellow pretty good. I got a mellow 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:53.080 pretty good because you know, I played one through four, 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:55.680 so I go to Power Force too. Yeah, but I 0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:57.480 think for me, if it ain't Kobe. 0:59:57.600 --> 1:00:00.720 Somebody that nobody would think they used to God damn 1:00:00.720 --> 1:00:04.360 this nigga, Cold Brandon, motherfucking Roy Roy. 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:08.240 I had problems with that nigga. We used to go 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:11.920 at it though, but he was different, Bro, like no injury. 1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:14.480 He wanted the cold as ever. One of my favorite 1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:18.040 shoot gards of ball like that. Hands down, b Roy 1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:20.000 is one of the best basketball players I've ever had 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:20.360 to guard. 1:00:20.560 --> 1:00:23.400 I was not even close. He get this fly slot 1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:23.919 on this show. 1:00:23.960 --> 1:00:24.080 Bro. 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:32.160 Show both y'all both played in the city and lived 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:33.600 to see at the same time. You know what I'm saying, 1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:36.000 You did a little bit before you did to see 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:37.600 the city is now. But how was it to be 1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:39.520 in the city as it was growing until the meccan 1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:41.080 was now? And then how was it playing when it 1:00:41.200 --> 1:00:42.000 was already lit? 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:46.440 On the come up? I can't. I came three. It 1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:51.600 was beautiful because it was Atlanta. Was that it was 1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:53.200 that it was at its height, it was at his 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:54.760 height around the time. You know what I'm saying, that's 1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:57.520 when BMF was doing a thing. The rap scene was 1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:00.400 was sid of everybody. But that time, it wasn't no 1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:03.320 beef like you got people beefing now, like everybody support 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:06.160 each other, Everybody hung out together, everybody went to saying. 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:08.960 When Adams had a party, everybody was there. Like back then, 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:11.200 everybody was having a good time. And I think it 1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:14.760 was because of people like Meach because when he used 1:01:14.800 --> 1:01:16.160 to come in to clubs, he coming with cup but 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:19.000 it wasn't no it wasn't no problems, Like he used 1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:20.960 to buy bottles for everybody in the section. So you 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:23.360 know what I'm saying, Like everybody was having a good time. 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:23.880 Back then. 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:26.680 It wasn't no competition, you know what I'm saying, like 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:29.080 it is now and the different hoods beefing. So the 1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:31.840 club and the party was, it was the best time 1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:33.880 to be in Atlanta, Bro, it was the best time 1:01:33.920 --> 1:01:35.480 to be in Now is just you know, it's just 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:38.200 too much with the pills and the drugs and when 1:01:38.280 --> 1:01:39.720 the kids killed. You know what I'm saying, like it's 1:01:39.720 --> 1:01:41.720 just the blind leading the blind now. But back then, 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:47.720 at that height, Magic City Club, Miami and all that shit. 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:50.080 Back then, Bro, Atlanta was beautiful. You you wanted to 1:01:50.160 --> 1:01:52.440 be in Atlanta, and even when I got here, it 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:55.440 was still fun. You got here, I got here, oh no, 1:01:55.640 --> 1:01:57.160 oh nah, yeah, I still was having fun. 1:01:57.200 --> 1:01:59.600 Like I remember the first the first time that I 1:01:59.680 --> 1:02:02.680 really well it was twine Walker was there the first time. 1:02:10.040 --> 1:02:11.120 He showed me some good time. 1:02:11.240 --> 1:02:14.520 Man, I go to Magic City. I ended up going 1:02:14.600 --> 1:02:16.800 in there and he got a briefcase. It's I ain't 1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:18.640 you know from in the Annapolis, I ain't never seen 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:21.480 a briefcase full of ones. They bring the briefcase out 1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:24.200 to me, open up things with ten thousand ones or something, and. 1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:26.280 They liken get that. Every Monday. 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:30.240 He like, young fella. 1:02:30.880 --> 1:02:33.560 He told me a thousand dollars, young fella and smooth 1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:36.600 like that's my o G. I'm like, yeah, it's different. 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:37.440 Yeah. 1:02:37.480 --> 1:02:40.720 He come very Monday Monday. But we stayed in there. 1:02:41.520 --> 1:02:43.240 Shout out to the a. They stayed in them. 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:45.880 I see. It was safe. It was safe. 1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:47.240 You ain't got around no cameras. 1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:49.200 You know what I'm saying. You like some of my 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:51.360 Magic City, man, Well, it was like you don't hear 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:54.680 no stories that you've never heard, no stories about no 1:02:54.760 --> 1:02:57.480 bullshit going on the Magic city because everybody was protecting 1:02:57.520 --> 1:02:59.640 and safe. Everybody had a good time. Yeah, I seen 1:02:59.680 --> 1:03:01.280 you what a couple of times showing a little you 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:03.880 be chilling. I was like, I ain't realized you was 1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:05.160 that tall. Like when I got. 1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:06.880 Drafted, I ain't realized niggas was that tall? 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:09.480 You know? Yeah, point, I'm six and one. 1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:11.360 I played the two sometimes when I got here and 1:03:11.360 --> 1:03:13.160 I seen him, I'm like this nigga six' eight. 1:03:15.480 --> 1:03:18.120 Like like, man, I ain't got no chance. Man, I 1:03:18.200 --> 1:03:22.360 played the two sometimes cue he comes just running around niggas. 1:03:22.840 --> 1:03:24.880 I gotta ask me, like you said all the smoke man, 1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:26.080 you and Matt went crazy? 1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:26.560 How was that? 1:03:26.640 --> 1:03:28.960 And I'm saying y'all had a relationship. Now y'all come 1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:31.360 as business partners, like you said, trail bladers in the 1:03:31.440 --> 1:03:34.680 situation with y'all knuckleheads. To see how y'all started to 1:03:34.720 --> 1:03:36.560 where you is now? Man, Like, what's think about? How 1:03:36.720 --> 1:03:37.160 is that feeling? 1:03:37.240 --> 1:03:37.360 Man? 1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:38.680 To see how y'all progress so far? 1:03:38.960 --> 1:03:40.040 It ain't nothing but guard bro. 1:03:40.720 --> 1:03:42.760 To be honest, bro, because you know, like, I ain't 1:03:42.800 --> 1:03:45.160 no different to y'all. Ain't no different to y'all. A 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:47.640 lot of times, especially after the bath to our careers 1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:50.600 in guys like me and Matt don't get these opportunities. 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:52.200 They give them to the guys that was the stars, 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:54.680 that was on the commercials and all that shit. Well, 1:03:54.680 --> 1:03:56.600 I think Guard just put us in the perfect time 1:03:56.640 --> 1:03:58.760 because when me and Matt both decided to stop doing 1:03:58.840 --> 1:04:01.880 Fox at ESPN, we end up we ended up coming 1:04:01.960 --> 1:04:05.080 up with all the smoke and we brought it to 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:08.320 a woman named Ellen Records. Ellen RecordsOn was the woman 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:12.560 who started Red Table Talk Red Table Talk and heard 1:04:12.640 --> 1:04:17.320 Matt like this. She ended up calling Brian Daily. Brian 1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:20.800 Day was the VP of Sports at Showtime. They was 1:04:20.880 --> 1:04:24.280 looking for another sports show, but they didn't know they 1:04:24.360 --> 1:04:26.360 wanted to have a sports show where didn't know about podcasts. 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:28.320 We didn't even know about podcasts. When Matt told me bout, 1:04:28.320 --> 1:04:30.760 I'm like, what is it? And when Matt brought him 1:04:30.760 --> 1:04:32.800 an idea, they said, cool, Matt, we'll do it with you. 1:04:32.920 --> 1:04:36.920 But we don't want Stephen Jackson. We heard a lot 1:04:36.920 --> 1:04:39.320 of stuff about him. Matt was like, I ain't doing 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:42.720 anything at him. I'm not doing it. Shout out to Matt, real, yeah, 1:04:42.960 --> 1:04:46.240 I'm not doing it. And the first we do the 1:04:46.280 --> 1:04:49.760 first photo shoot for it were smoking and ship were 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:51.240 smoking a shit on the photo show. I got my 1:04:51.320 --> 1:04:54.120 shirt off like a rap album and sh hold up, man, 1:04:54.160 --> 1:04:58.280 hold on, hold on, hold on up. This might not work, man, 1:04:58.440 --> 1:04:59.960 we might not. I don't think we can. Show Time 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:02.280 we get behind this, but they got behind it, bro, 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:04.480 and you know, we end up cleaning it up a 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:07.080 little bit. We smoked on some shows, but we ended 1:05:07.160 --> 1:05:09.920 up cleaning it up to the point where we ended 1:05:09.960 --> 1:05:12.720 up doing the deal with our hard Fire Audio and 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:16.760 we ended up building our relationship with Showtime. 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:17.800 So now we're five years in. 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:20.960 So it ended up where five years in the podcasts 1:05:21.080 --> 1:05:25.560 now Paramount buys Showtime. Yep, they buy and they want 1:05:25.600 --> 1:05:28.120 to get rid of all of their properties, the social properties, 1:05:28.840 --> 1:05:31.400 the boxing, you know, and Showtime boxing was the biggest 1:05:31.440 --> 1:05:36.640 thing that they had. Ye So during that time, Brian Daley, 1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:38.760 which is the VP, he knew that Showtime was about 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:40.920 to get brought out. So he had an idea with 1:05:41.040 --> 1:05:43.640 him and Matt, let's start our own production company. So 1:05:43.840 --> 1:05:45.800 while we were still with Showtime, we started building all 1:05:45.840 --> 1:05:48.640 the smoke productions with they bred. You know what I'm saying, 1:05:48.640 --> 1:05:51.040 start building all spoke production. And during that time, I 1:05:51.120 --> 1:05:53.919 had got into boxing. While I started doing the weigh 1:05:54.000 --> 1:05:56.080 ins for boxing, I started doing the interviews with tanking 1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:58.040 tanks wanted me all this fights and shit like that. 1:05:58.200 --> 1:05:59.480 So I got to the box. 1:05:59.560 --> 1:06:02.280 So when we when Showtime had to buy, when Paramount 1:06:02.360 --> 1:06:06.560 was buying us out, Brian finessed some type of way 1:06:06.600 --> 1:06:10.120 where we own all Showtime Boxing properties now, so now 1:06:10.240 --> 1:06:13.240 Showtime Boxing's all the smoke fight and all the smoke boxing. 1:06:14.120 --> 1:06:16.160 So y'all, so we got we're finna be a big 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:17.800 player in the boxing space. Now we're going to put 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:20.560 on our own fights, taking that whole blueprint and doing 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:22.880 that now. So I think for us with the production 1:06:23.000 --> 1:06:26.000 company show we have, we have a partnership with Draft 1:06:26.080 --> 1:06:28.000 Kings where we have a number of shows on the network. 1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:30.840 I think just the fact that we were able to 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:34.040 build so much stuff from just starting with the podcast, 1:06:34.120 --> 1:06:36.160 you know what I'm saying. That's why I disguise the 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:37.800 limit for y'all because y'all done so much in a 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:40.080 short time. But for us to be able to build 1:06:40.120 --> 1:06:45.479 a boxing the podcast and a production company and start 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:48.000 doing live shows like that ain't number guard. But because 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:50.440 we didn't expect, we didn't know what we was doing. 1:06:50.520 --> 1:06:52.240 We didn't have no blueprint too it. We just just 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:54.440 jumped out there on the lead. But the timing and 1:06:54.560 --> 1:06:56.960 everything worked to our fail you know with Paramount and 1:06:56.960 --> 1:06:58.800 all like everything was so why I say it was 1:06:58.840 --> 1:07:00.640 guard but because a lot of stuff that happened with us, 1:07:00.720 --> 1:07:02.080 it was just perfect time for us to. 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:03.560 Be where we are now. Did y'all put that better 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:04.439 in KG back? 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:07.680 Yes, So we had a lot to do with KG Certified. 1:07:07.800 --> 1:07:10.680 You know, we have a show called Certified Smoke. What 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:12.760 we do across show with them, you know what I'm saying, 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:15.120 and were doing a lot of business. We was actually 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:17.040 producing their shows with all the Smoke production. I think 1:07:17.040 --> 1:07:20.320 they going on and doing their own stuff now, you know, 1:07:21.320 --> 1:07:23.200 trying to do their own algorithm and stuff now. But 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:26.160 we still a founder. We still do Certified Smoke, but 1:07:26.200 --> 1:07:28.240 definitely we definitely started them. We have the show with 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:33.200 Rondo and Boogie Bully Ball. We have Rachel Nichols. You know, 1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:35.240 we're building some other properties now with all of them. 1:07:35.240 --> 1:07:37.960 On the boxing side. We have Andre Ward yes, yeah, 1:07:38.000 --> 1:07:40.840 and Roy Jones we just signed them. So it's been 1:07:40.880 --> 1:07:42.440 a blessing. Man. We're just trying to continue the buildings 1:07:42.480 --> 1:07:44.800 because they don't expect stuff like that happened from guys 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:47.080 like us. You know what I'm saying, They don't expect that, 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:49.600 but I'll follow that anyway. I think Matt and Brian 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:52.120 Brian Daya has been big for us because they have 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:54.360 that mindset. Like I haven't been in one meeting. I 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:56.640 haven't missed one check. You know what I'm saying. My 1:07:56.800 --> 1:07:58.080 job ain't to be in the meets because I know 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:00.080 that ain't my specially I didn't go to school that 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:02.160 and with school for that ship. When it's time to 1:08:02.160 --> 1:08:04.480 collect money, when it's time to show up and entertained, 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:06.920 I know my job. So everybody and our you know, 1:08:07.480 --> 1:08:09.920 a little small twelve people on our roster. You know, 1:08:10.040 --> 1:08:11.720 everybody got a job to do it. And I think 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:14.280 we depend on everybody to do their job because you know, 1:08:14.440 --> 1:08:16.240 everybody want to play their role and be a start 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:16.800 their own role. 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:18.680 And that's one thing I think people don't realize, Like 1:08:18.760 --> 1:08:20.920 with these opportunities, yeah it make start as a podcast. 1:08:21.080 --> 1:08:23.720 We have an opportunity for especially black entrepreneurs to. 1:08:23.720 --> 1:08:24.840 Build enterprises offices. 1:08:25.240 --> 1:08:26.720 If you said you're going to a showtime box, like 1:08:26.720 --> 1:08:28.080 I kept seeing you at the box and stuff. So 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:30.200 now it's all making it makes sense. But that's dope, 1:08:30.280 --> 1:08:32.479 like you getting collected intellectual properties that they don't give 1:08:32.560 --> 1:08:34.519 us an opportunity to have. Look what had to happen 1:08:34.560 --> 1:08:36.759 for y'all even have an opportunity because those cable networks 1:08:36.800 --> 1:08:39.960 don't fail, they sell or they just get bigger. So 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:42.120 that's dope to see y'all capitalized on. It shows of 1:08:42.160 --> 1:08:44.120 the business mind. Like you said, everybody play their part. 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:44.760 That's the dope part. 1:08:44.760 --> 1:08:46.520 Ain't nobody getting out of podcast, ain'tbody. 1:08:46.240 --> 1:08:49.040 Getting too gritty, got an operation, got machine to keep going, 1:08:49.240 --> 1:08:50.519 And it's dope to see that for y'all. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:51.439 Man, we don't see that. 1:08:53.200 --> 1:08:53.320 Bro. 1:08:53.960 --> 1:08:58.560 He did this first thing with a cute choose, like 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:01.479 one of the pioneers kick this off, bro, Like how 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:02.400 did that come about? 1:09:03.439 --> 1:09:05.720 So for me? Like when it for the Big d 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:08.640 first started, like I was excited because I knew how 1:09:09.040 --> 1:09:11.240 I was one of those guys that wanted to play basketball, 1:09:12.320 --> 1:09:14.640 and I wasn't. I wasn't going overseas, you know what 1:09:14.640 --> 1:09:16.120 I'm saying. I wasn't doing those shit like that, But 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:18.720 I wanted to play right here and Q A lot 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:21.120 of the guys that Q like watching play, was retiring 1:09:21.160 --> 1:09:23.960 and leaving the game. So when he when he started 1:09:23.960 --> 1:09:25.280 the League's like, bro, I want to start this league. 1:09:25.280 --> 1:09:27.280 I want to do a combine in Vegas just to 1:09:27.280 --> 1:09:29.280 see what the league was like. So during that time 1:09:29.360 --> 1:09:31.720 I was doing two days, I was working that hard. 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:33.880 Eye got swollen like I because I got back into 1:09:33.920 --> 1:09:35.240 that mode. You know what I'm saying. 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:36.639 I got back into the basketball mode. 1:09:36.680 --> 1:09:37.920 And when we got there, I seen a lot of 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:39.680 guys wasn't in shape, and I've seen a lot of 1:09:39.720 --> 1:09:41.240 guys thinking like man, I'm just gonna get this check 1:09:42.200 --> 1:09:44.320 guaranteed ten thousand the league. I ain't gonna work. I 1:09:44.360 --> 1:09:46.960 was gonna show up and get this money. No you're not. Yeah, 1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:50.479 first game in first day, while they having the combine, 1:09:50.840 --> 1:09:53.000 Cube asked me and al and Contino and Cormac get 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:55.360 it played like a just like a test game to 1:09:55.400 --> 1:09:57.720 see what the what the league would be like. And 1:09:57.800 --> 1:10:00.639 I took that shit too serious. You know what I'm saying, 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:02.760 because I did. You know what I'm saying, because I 1:10:02.840 --> 1:10:04.519 really wanted to set the tone because I seen how 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:06.920 niggas was approaching this shit, how they were showing up 1:10:06.960 --> 1:10:10.360 all fat and out of shape, and like I'm not 1:10:10.439 --> 1:10:12.040 finna be like if y'all gonna show up like this, 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:14.200 and I'm gonna give everybody one hundred points every night. 1:10:14.360 --> 1:10:16.639 You know what I'm saying That that was my attitude tone, 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:18.640 you know what I'm saying. So that scrimmage, I was 1:10:18.680 --> 1:10:20.439 talking you know, me and our best friends. I was 1:10:20.520 --> 1:10:23.120 calling Aur bitches, cursing him out like we was like 1:10:23.280 --> 1:10:25.640 with me and Coy's brothers, like we was going at 1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:28.280 each other for that list short time. But everybody, like 1:10:28.320 --> 1:10:30.360 one hundred people in the gym, everybody saw like, Hey, 1:10:30.640 --> 1:10:32.320 this is what the league gonna be like. And Q 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:34.960 was excited, Like that's what I needed. That's what I needed, 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:40.240 And I was happy to not only play in the 1:10:40.280 --> 1:10:42.280 Big Three, but shit, we all looked up to Ice Q, 1:10:42.760 --> 1:10:44.920 like I look up the fucking Q. How could I 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:46.880 not be in his league? And the fact that he 1:10:46.960 --> 1:10:48.400 said I had a big part of you know what 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:51.080 I'm saying, Like that meant everything to me. Dog. So 1:10:51.360 --> 1:10:53.200 that's why I still coach. Now, that's why I'm still 1:10:53.240 --> 1:10:54.639 involved in the league now, you know what I'm saying, 1:10:54.680 --> 1:10:57.599 because I know where he wants to go with the league, 1:10:57.920 --> 1:11:00.320 and we all have an opportunity to benefit off so great. 1:11:00.439 --> 1:11:01.960 You know what I'm saying, something that the black person 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:04.200 is building. So I'm gonna always be down with you, 1:11:04.280 --> 1:11:05.680 you know what I'm saying. If even if it's just 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:07.360 coaching all like I'm doing now, I'm a big part 1:11:07.360 --> 1:11:07.800 of the league. 1:11:08.000 --> 1:11:12.799 He said that half court bigger than bullshit. 1:11:12.840 --> 1:11:16.160 At first one I said s court. 1:11:16.320 --> 1:11:18.000 He was like he thought that ship was easy. Then 1:11:18.000 --> 1:11:20.040 I was like, hell yeah, bro, I used to my 1:11:20.200 --> 1:11:22.840 first my years playing all my points was on the block. 1:11:24.200 --> 1:11:26.080 I hit a couple of threes, but I was I'm 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:29.000 a big two guard, So regardless of nine ten of 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:30.439 the people that I play against in the Big three, 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:32.519 I'm going to have advantage on the block, you know 1:11:32.560 --> 1:11:35.200 what I'm saying. And I abused that ship. That's how 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:37.600 that's how I had success. But when Joe came, it 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:45.639 was over. I ain't the biggest Joe punishing everybody said 1:11:45.720 --> 1:11:48.000 six two sixty with the hat, all that he had, 1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:49.720 all he had it all. You know, That's been my 1:11:49.800 --> 1:11:52.240 nemmesis my whole career, though Joe's bust my ass, my whole. 1:11:53.880 --> 1:11:55.360 That's one that we used to go. 1:11:55.560 --> 1:11:56.200 But like Joe. 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:58.559 Joe spunk me around. Joe spun me around one time. 1:11:58.680 --> 1:11:59.720 Oh I do remember that. 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:08.680 Because like you can have a string, like like why 1:12:08.760 --> 1:12:09.719 you'd be so hyped. 1:12:11.560 --> 1:12:12.360 Like a foul happened. 1:12:12.520 --> 1:12:14.920 Yeah, I had to follow him because he'slumbing around like 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:18.639 nobody never fall. I made me stumble and Joe swimming around. 1:12:18.640 --> 1:12:20.599 It ain't nobody never made me fall. You know who 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:21.240 made me fall? 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:22.160 Flip? 1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:27.080 He made me fall my first preseason game. He was 1:12:27.160 --> 1:12:29.760 on the Bobcats. He had was in Atlanta the year 1:12:29.800 --> 1:12:31.519 before and they ain't pick up his house. I was 1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:35.760 on the team first preseason game. He went snatched back. 1:12:37.400 --> 1:12:38.240 I looked at the bench. 1:12:38.320 --> 1:12:41.080 Joe Smith had a towel like this smooth was like 1:12:41.240 --> 1:12:51.559 this baby was standing up to the league. I was hurt. 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:53.559 I was playing defense so hard. 1:12:53.600 --> 1:12:56.240 The next possession, dude like school, you know, flipping like 1:12:56.880 --> 1:12:57.960 it was the bucket. Get it. 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:02.360 That's another underwriting for sure. Did y'all win that ship 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:06.240 the first year the Big Three? No, No, so I wasn't. 1:13:06.280 --> 1:13:08.479 I wasn't gonna kill the threes at that time. Trilogy 1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:11.800 went in and oh that's they went Sean mccamp al 1:13:11.920 --> 1:13:18.720 and Mashaan Mkantz walked everybody down for ten games twenty five. 1:13:18.800 --> 1:13:21.759 You get twenty five, I get twenty five and nobody 1:13:21.800 --> 1:13:24.840 could goud My Hour and rashawma Camp's go can stop. 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:26.960 For that first year, they dominated that pressure. 1:13:27.640 --> 1:13:29.599 Isaiah was playing this year on your town. I was like, nigga, 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:31.640 you're gonna post up the whole game and out here, 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:33.879 you like, make these. 1:13:35.680 --> 1:13:38.760 Gonna make you chase them out there, these motherfuckers. You 1:13:38.800 --> 1:13:39.280 know what I'm saying. 1:13:39.320 --> 1:13:39.920 Way I'm down. 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:43.040 I said the fuck this in this game. And he stopped. 1:13:43.080 --> 1:13:43.880 He stopped posting up. 1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:44.679 And guess what happened. 1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:46.320 They walked us down. 1:13:47.240 --> 1:13:50.240 They walked us down, and he got tired. 1:13:50.400 --> 1:13:51.640 I told him, say, boy, you try to go out 1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:52.400 these niggas out here. 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:53.120 I went out it. 1:13:53.160 --> 1:13:54.800 You're gonna be tied. I guess what he did at 1:13:54.840 --> 1:13:59.400 that the game, dumb file because he was tied to 1:14:00.160 --> 1:14:02.360 walk us down. We're not a fast team. We got 1:14:02.479 --> 1:14:04.880 to use our size. They walked us down. 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:06.760 It's a big moment in the three. 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:10.120 That's a that's a historic Big three game right there. 1:14:13.000 --> 1:14:14.439 You speak on the moment, you. 1:14:15.720 --> 1:14:18.439 Yeah, so so what people don't know? So that's that's 1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:20.080 one of my best friends in the world. We talk 1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:22.840 all the time. So it was just a moment where 1:14:23.240 --> 1:14:27.559 two competitors. So o Oak wants to win just as 1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:30.320 bad as I do. We was in Texas, so I 1:14:30.439 --> 1:14:33.679 feel like anyway in Texas, I can get anybody murdered. 1:14:35.760 --> 1:14:36.559 That's just how I feel. 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:39.240 I'm not live in Texas. You know what I mean. 1:14:39.640 --> 1:14:40.479 I'm just keeping it real. 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:41.639 You know what I'm say. If I wanted to, I'm 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:43.040 a peace I'm a peace with everybody. But if I 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:44.840 wanted to, I could make some shit happen in texts. 1:14:45.600 --> 1:14:48.200 You know what I'm saying. I was My adrenaline was pumping. 1:14:48.280 --> 1:14:50.439 His adrenaline was pumping. He took me out the game 1:14:50.439 --> 1:14:52.800 because I was larking the refs. He's like, man, get 1:14:52.840 --> 1:14:55.000 back in the game, Like I told him something, And 1:14:55.080 --> 1:14:57.400 it was like I said something, I'm going back in 1:14:57.439 --> 1:14:59.519 the games. Like no, you're not. I'm like, who's gonna 1:14:59.520 --> 1:15:02.320 stop me? He's like, I'm gonna stop him. Nigga. You 1:15:02.400 --> 1:15:07.479 know where you went. I'm just reminded Texas Nigga came 1:15:07.560 --> 1:15:10.679 back with the hardest shit ever. I'm like American Airlines, 1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:17.600 I'm everywhere we're going, we're going back and forth to it. 1:15:17.880 --> 1:15:19.479 He knew what he was doing because I because I 1:15:19.520 --> 1:15:21.639 got mad when I did not end up winning the game, 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:23.920 and we had the bar together right after not even 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:26.960 talking about it. But that's just our passion for wanting 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:29.280 to win, you know what I'm saying. Like he knew 1:15:29.479 --> 1:15:31.519 he needed me in the game for us to win. 1:15:31.760 --> 1:15:33.320 You know what I'm saying. I wouldn't understand that my 1:15:33.439 --> 1:15:35.559 drelling was pumping, But that's my guy. Now, that's that's 1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:38.360 just two fiery guys, you know what I'm saying, trying 1:15:38.360 --> 1:15:41.360 to win and just emotions balled over. But that's nobody 1:15:41.520 --> 1:15:43.519 respect more than Charles. 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:45.840 Og before we got here. Man, tell the people, you 1:15:45.880 --> 1:15:47.839 know what I'm saying, your entrepreneurs, I got the liquor. 1:15:47.640 --> 1:15:48.479 On the way for the people. 1:15:48.520 --> 1:15:48.680 Man. 1:15:48.840 --> 1:15:51.280 Man appreciate that. We have a mess cow that just 1:15:51.400 --> 1:15:54.760 dropped called the NEOs Uh. It's in like, uh ten 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:58.160 ten to fifteen states right now. It's not in Atlanta yet, 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:00.080 but it's on the west coast of New York that 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:02.439 we sold out already in l A. And we also 1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:05.000 have a coffee table book. The first podcast with a 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:09.680 coffee table book with Smith with Smith and Shuster call 1:16:09.680 --> 1:16:12.400 all the Smoke Coffee table. That's all right now as well, so. 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:14.360 We got we gotta put it on the desk that 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:15.080 don't nobody like. 1:16:20.280 --> 1:16:20.559 Club. 1:16:20.680 --> 1:16:22.639 I need to be a part of that liquor brand. 1:16:22.800 --> 1:16:25.639 Yeah, and we need to do a collabor with y'all. 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:30.680 Y'all man shout to all the Smoke team, Matt, Brian, Johnnie. 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:34.400 Shout always show a little bit, get me some of 1:16:34.479 --> 1:16:36.120 bucks early on the podcast game too. 1:16:36.840 --> 1:16:38.360 And then let me let me say this too, bro like, 1:16:38.439 --> 1:16:39.960 I'm glad y'all doing the show because a lot of 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:42.599 people think like me and Matt always try to say 1:16:42.600 --> 1:16:45.000 it on our show like it ain't no competition. That's 1:16:45.040 --> 1:16:47.160 why I y'all look at my Instagram. I'll be shopping 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:49.280 out all kinds of shows all the time, different shows 1:16:49.320 --> 1:16:50.720 and shows that I don't even people that don't even know, 1:16:51.080 --> 1:16:52.680 because I want people to know it's enough for all 1:16:52.720 --> 1:16:55.040 of us out that they no competition. They won't they 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:57.800 want us to think because we're all black and we 1:16:57.880 --> 1:16:59.560 all have this certain talent to be in front of 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:02.200 this camera and to draw people in that we're in competition. 1:17:02.280 --> 1:17:04.240 We're not in competition because we all have our own 1:17:04.240 --> 1:17:07.600 different stories and people, and our stories are different. So 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:10.600 I want people to understand that your voice is just 1:17:10.640 --> 1:17:13.200 as big as anybody else's voice. You know. Just believe 1:17:13.200 --> 1:17:14.599 in your ship. And that's why I'm glad you're doing 1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:15.960 y'all shit, bro, and I'm honored to be here. 1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:17.679 I'm glad we're gonna do this again. 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:19.120 Man. Before we got out of here, we got asked 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:19.439 me about it. 1:17:19.960 --> 1:17:23.080 The VP. Oh, the VP. Oh that was that's a 1:17:23.120 --> 1:17:25.519 good question. So I didn't want so me and Matt 1:17:25.680 --> 1:17:29.120 argued for four days. When I got to what we 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:31.639 did it? Baby? What we do at uh? In DC? 1:17:32.000 --> 1:17:33.639 We went to the VP house. When I got there, 1:17:33.960 --> 1:17:36.200 Matt was calling me to this true story. He was 1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:38.000 calling me to come out to eat. I'm not I'm 1:17:38.000 --> 1:17:40.679 screening his phone call. I don't want to be here, nigga. 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:43.439 I don't want to be in politics. I don't want 1:17:43.479 --> 1:17:45.720 to do this on my line. Baby. We at home, 1:17:45.800 --> 1:17:48.519 me and Matt arguing, like we arguing about the shit 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:51.240 because the people that support me are not They look 1:17:51.280 --> 1:17:54.080 at how I look. He at it like answers to 1:17:54.280 --> 1:17:56.960 equality and to making America the way it's supposed to 1:17:56.960 --> 1:18:01.160 be is not rocket science. It's not rocket science. Bro, 1:18:02.040 --> 1:18:04.360 y'all know how to give equality, to make people equal, 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:07.240 just just how y'all put people ahead of us. So 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:09.760 the same way to do that is to make it 1:18:10.040 --> 1:18:12.280 equality is real simple, dog, Just give people what they need. 1:18:12.439 --> 1:18:13.320 It's not rocket science. 1:18:13.360 --> 1:18:14.799 So that's why I don't want to be in politics, 1:18:14.880 --> 1:18:17.200 because there's a lot of hope dealing. That's the end 1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:18.840 of the day. They then to hope them. They ain't 1:18:18.840 --> 1:18:21.160 into actually trying to fix shit. They want you to 1:18:21.280 --> 1:18:22.840 make They want to make you think that they got 1:18:22.880 --> 1:18:24.640 the ideas or they got plans to fix shit, and 1:18:24.680 --> 1:18:27.040 shit never gets fixed. So that's why I didn't want 1:18:27.080 --> 1:18:28.639 to be in politics. And I seen the first hand 1:18:28.680 --> 1:18:31.400 with the George Fard situation. So when Matt was telling 1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:34.280 me about going to interview to VP, I'm not with 1:18:34.439 --> 1:18:36.400 it because the people that support me feel the same 1:18:36.439 --> 1:18:38.599 way I feel. I don't trust up. I know it's 1:18:38.640 --> 1:18:41.559 all bullshit. Nobody is really for us. I'm the president 1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:43.960 of my household, you know what I'm saying. I don't 1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:46.080 give a fuck about who the president. I'm the president 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:48.040 of my shit, you know what I'm saying. And That's 1:18:48.040 --> 1:18:50.960 how I looked at it. So Matt's looking at it 1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:54.280 as my business side. What is gonna do for our show? 1:18:54.320 --> 1:18:57.240 What's gonna do fire production Company? I'm not thinking that man, 1:18:57.400 --> 1:18:59.439 fuck that, you know, I'm not you know, So the 1:18:59.479 --> 1:19:01.640 hope even the day before, She'll tell you, I'm in 1:19:01.720 --> 1:19:04.360 my room, Matt is calling me to come prep. Nigga. 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:07.800 I'm not asking her phone No, nigga, I can. I 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:11.280 can show you messages. I'm gonna show you'll. Let's let 1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:13.719 you know how real it is, nigga, because y'all my patners. 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:15.200 I'm gonna say you how this, This is how I 1:19:15.320 --> 1:19:18.640 was doing him when he was sending me to the messages. Bro, 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:20.080 I'm gonna show you how I was doing him. 1:19:20.400 --> 1:19:22.720 Hey, you don't want to hear about the collar greens, nigga. 1:19:22.880 --> 1:19:24.679 In the tub, Nigga, I don't want to hear about 1:19:24.720 --> 1:19:31.320 not want to he Okay, Bro, I'm gonna show you 1:19:31.920 --> 1:19:33.320 this is the message my brother was sending me. 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:40.040 Look, hold on, hold on, hold on, holo, hold Look, 1:19:40.439 --> 1:19:42.439 he texted. He teld me something. I say. He said, 1:19:42.920 --> 1:19:43.840 I don't want to look. 1:19:43.840 --> 1:19:45.960 He say, So, you're not gonna you're gonna power and 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:46.960 ignore me the whole time. 1:19:47.000 --> 1:19:47.759 You don't want to smoke. 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:50.880 I don't want to smoke, don't want to hang out, 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:51.479 don't want. 1:19:51.320 --> 1:19:52.000 To eat nothing. 1:19:52.439 --> 1:19:55.400 Do my job. Look, do my job and be out. 1:19:55.360 --> 1:19:57.479 Nigga, He say, big, you want to play CEO D 1:19:57.600 --> 1:19:58.320 trying to be funny. 1:19:58.920 --> 1:20:06.840 Nigga. Look, I'm seeing me in an asshole. I'm seeing 1:20:06.920 --> 1:20:11.200 a video an asshole. You know what I'm saying. I 1:20:11.400 --> 1:20:14.200 was not talking to him, dogg. So even look Matt 1:20:14.240 --> 1:20:15.519 said on show that even when we got to the 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:19.599 BP house, I'm sitting in there like this. You know me, Jason, 1:20:20.000 --> 1:20:21.920 I was mostly on my sleeve. Boy, I can't high. 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:26.960 I'm I don't want to be here because I know 1:20:27.680 --> 1:20:31.000 perfect example, I told him that's my wife. I said, 1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:34.519 why don't you go do it? They came back. We 1:20:34.560 --> 1:20:36.560 don't want to do it without him. Because I'm the 1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:38.720 face of the biggest civil rights movement ever with the 1:20:38.760 --> 1:20:40.720 George Floyd Ship. I know why y'all want me there, 1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:43.120 using me as a pawn. I know what you're doing. 1:20:43.439 --> 1:20:45.560 Everybody else might not see it, but I see it. 1:20:45.760 --> 1:20:47.960 You know what I'm saying, and I wanted the benefit 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:50.960 from the ship. I'm not thinking business wise. Well, I'm 1:20:51.000 --> 1:20:52.639 glad I did that ship. You know how much shit 1:20:52.760 --> 1:20:57.320 came for much doing the interview, all kind of ship coming. 1:20:57.360 --> 1:20:59.559 And so Matt was right, and I always follow him 1:20:59.560 --> 1:21:02.720 with business, you know what I'm saying. But I did 1:21:02.840 --> 1:21:04.080 not want it, and I still don't want to be 1:21:04.120 --> 1:21:06.000 in politics, you know what I'm saying. But let me 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:09.200 say this too. They say, what's your wife of voting? 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:11.680 I found my why? What is it? And let me 1:21:11.720 --> 1:21:13.280 tell you why. I found my why. I can't talk 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:15.920 too much about it, but I was recently tased by 1:21:15.960 --> 1:21:17.840 the police from behind. I got stitches in my chin 1:21:17.920 --> 1:21:21.439 right now, tased from behind just because I was a 1:21:21.479 --> 1:21:24.880 big guy. Recently, Bro and me seeing that George Floyd 1:21:24.920 --> 1:21:26.960 shit dealing with the police and artist and how they 1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:30.040 was treating me. Donald Trump is talking about giving police immunity. 1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:34.280 So I found my why. I can't live my life 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:36.560 with the police treating y'all, my sons or anybody the 1:21:36.600 --> 1:21:38.760 way they planning to treat us. Bro. So that's my 1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:41.160 wife for voting. I just found my why, especially after 1:21:41.200 --> 1:21:41.800 how they treated me. 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:42.639 You know what I'm saying. 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:43.880 I wouldn't even know no dumb shit. 1:21:44.400 --> 1:21:44.920 He tased me. 1:21:45.000 --> 1:21:47.240 He told me tats because I was a big guy. 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:50.400 Got I broke two teeth in the back, all that 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:52.920 and get So I'm just that that's my wife, especially 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:55.639 since being throughing it now. I never voted. I don't 1:21:55.640 --> 1:21:58.560 believe in politics, but if I had to vote, that 1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:00.560 would be my why because I don't want him to 1:22:00.560 --> 1:22:02.760 get police community because they're already treating us like ship. 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:04.880 Just imagine what they're gonna do if they know they 1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:05.719 can get away. 1:22:05.520 --> 1:22:08.120 With it right straight up, We're gonna have all my 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:09.599 conversation about that situation. 1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:12.679 Shout the freaky Mike, Yeah, shout out to some collar Greens. 1:22:15.520 --> 1:22:17.599 Come on, man, hey, I did hear that story. 1:22:17.720 --> 1:22:20.360 Now, I've been in call of Greens all my life. 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:21.840 I've never seen him getting. 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:26.920 Cleaning the bathtub. They take this nigga, Come on, told youth, 1:22:27.680 --> 1:22:31.400 I'm sorry every show, bro, when have you seeing anybody 1:22:31.479 --> 1:22:34.479 clean grings? They're gonna feel that sync up on both sides. 1:22:35.680 --> 1:22:38.360 They gonna feel that sup on both sides. Nobody's going 1:22:38.360 --> 1:22:44.200 to the bathroom in the ketching niggas Greens in the tub, man, 1:22:44.360 --> 1:22:49.200 come on, he's hey. Next time somebody asks her who 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:52.280 her favorite rapper is rapper is? It can't be Tupac 1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:54.240 because they say, who's your favorite rapper that's alive? 1:22:54.280 --> 1:22:56.040 And she said Tupac. I know what she meant. 1:22:56.720 --> 1:23:03.880 She ain't no judging for that. We ain't tell me. 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:04.880 Regress of her. 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:06.640 Chest clubfour twenty dot com. 1:23:06.760 --> 1:23:08.120 We got merchandile baby, We. 1:23:08.200 --> 1:23:09.880 Live till next time. 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