Creed: Are They Worth the Hate?

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back to the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast.
<v Speaker 4>This week, D, we are talking about Creed and are
<v Speaker 4>they worth the hate? If you didn't listen to our
<v Speaker 4>Nickelback episode, go Back, we dropped that last week.
<v Speaker 2>That was a lot of fun.
<v Speaker 4>These bands are kind of similar in yeah, they hate
<v Speaker 4>that they received, especially from the internet early on in
<v Speaker 4>the two thousands.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean literally, they were ranked number one and
<v Speaker 2>number two of most hated bands by Rolling Stone.
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna school.
<v Speaker 5>There, our ski school there.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, so before we get going, we're not covering
<v Speaker 2>a particular album, right these guys, they basically had three
<v Speaker 2>albums we're gonna grab their best songs off of those
<v Speaker 2>albums and talk about each one of those. Then they
<v Speaker 2>broke up. Then they got back together and they had
<v Speaker 2>another album, and then they broke up again, and now
<v Speaker 2>they're back together again doing a tour right now. Using
<v Speaker 2>me a text, they're going to be up the road
<v Speaker 2>fifteen miles in about two weeks. Yeah, and so I
<v Speaker 2>was like, forty bucks, forty freaking dollars and we could
<v Speaker 2>go watch Creed.
<v Speaker 4>So actually, here's the funny part. Yeah, I was like,
<v Speaker 4>you know what, I wonder what Nickelback is doing on tour.
<v Speaker 4>So I googled Nickelback tour dates. Well, they're not on
<v Speaker 4>tour right now. Oh okay, I mean, who knows. Maybe
<v Speaker 4>next week they're in Oklahoma City.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've got They got back together last year twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, and have been touring all of twenty twenty four. Now,
<v Speaker 2>obviously there's some conflict in the band that has resulted
<v Speaker 2>in these breakups and get back togethers and all of
<v Speaker 2>those things. And I think that comes into play when
<v Speaker 2>we start talking about the reason that people hate Creed
<v Speaker 2>when they do hate Creed. But we'll dive into that
<v Speaker 2>in a second before we get there, let me ask you,
<v Speaker 2>did you have Nickelback albums back in like the late
<v Speaker 2>nineties early two thousands. I did not own any Nickelback albums.
<v Speaker 2>Did you own Creed albums at that time?
<v Speaker 4>So I didn't buy a Creed album. But this isn't
<v Speaker 4>you know the day when you could burn a CD,
<v Speaker 4>like use your computer to burn a CD.
<v Speaker 2>And I had my buddy at work burn the Gold
<v Speaker 2>a CD.
<v Speaker 4>And then I used a color printer to print off
<v Speaker 4>the cover of Human Clay.
<v Speaker 2>A color printer from nineteen ninety nine that was like
<v Speaker 2>matrix printer.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and like you got it out of the print,
<v Speaker 4>it was wet, right, and you know you cut it out.
<v Speaker 2>So I did have a copy of Human Clay, but
<v Speaker 2>I didn't buy it. I got to tell you, looking
<v Speaker 2>at these album covers, I doubt that your dot Matrix
<v Speaker 2>cover was much worse than the covers that we got
<v Speaker 2>if we bought the CD. You know, their album covers
<v Speaker 2>are not strong, They're terrible. I mean I was looking
<v Speaker 2>at this and I'm like, you know, Human Clay, you
<v Speaker 2>got this weird monster coming out of the water that
<v Speaker 2>looks like a snapshot from lawnmower man, I mean it's error.
<v Speaker 4>You know that's interesting you say that because I was
<v Speaker 4>just gonna say it looks like the T one thousand,
<v Speaker 4>as he's like changing from metal to human.
<v Speaker 2>No, I feel like this is like James Cameron drawing
<v Speaker 2>of the TV one thousand with like pencil and colored pencils.
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's terrible. So did you own any Creed CDs?
<v Speaker 2>I did, actually, and I did not steal them from
<v Speaker 2>some other person. I used my BMI catalog and I
<v Speaker 2>picked them up for a penny each. I gotta tell you,
<v Speaker 2>I loved them. I had Human Clay, I had Weathered.
<v Speaker 2>I listened to both of them routinely. I loved them.
<v Speaker 4>I love them too. Man, there's no denying that their
<v Speaker 4>songs are really good.
<v Speaker 2>They had some great songs. Now, other people didn't feel
<v Speaker 2>that way, and this was a time in history that
<v Speaker 2>was very special and unique. This band is one of
<v Speaker 2>the best selling bands of all time. I'm not talking
<v Speaker 2>late nineties, early two thousands. I'm saying of all time.
<v Speaker 2>If you compare all bands, these guys have so many
<v Speaker 2>million albums sold that they are in the top tier.
<v Speaker 2>That's really interesting.
<v Speaker 4>You know, we talked last week on our Knickaback episode
<v Speaker 4>that these guys are kind of the last of the
<v Speaker 4>real CD movers because everything else was going napster or
<v Speaker 4>streaming or whatever downloadable stuff you could do on your computer.
<v Speaker 4>These are kind of the last of the people who
<v Speaker 4>really sold CDs.
<v Speaker 2>Last of the rock bands for sure, right last of
<v Speaker 2>the rock band. I mean, you've got a few stragglers,
<v Speaker 2>a handful at best, maybe five, probably not even that,
<v Speaker 2>who are movers in the twenty first century. But once
<v Speaker 2>you move past y two k there are virtually no
<v Speaker 2>bands that are big sellers. It became all individual artists,
<v Speaker 2>and these guys are among the last.
<v Speaker 4>And that's I think part of the reason why there's
<v Speaker 4>some jealousy maybe involved in that.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I mean, the very straightforward phrase that they got
<v Speaker 2>when they were turned down is rock and roll is dead. Now,
<v Speaker 2>how many of you folks would love to have a
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll band back around with all of this
<v Speaker 2>Taylor Swift and Drake and all of these other guys
<v Speaker 2>who are just printing music on a computer. Me, yeah, me,
<v Speaker 2>bring me somebody who plays their own drum set and
<v Speaker 2>plays their own guitar and writes their own lyrics and
<v Speaker 2>sings them without auto tune. All right, we ready to
<v Speaker 2>dive into Yeah, Christo, let's pick the first song. We
<v Speaker 2>know that the first album that they had they put
<v Speaker 2>together themselves for like six thousand dollars. Is what I's track,
<v Speaker 2>which is a pretty like. They were paying the producer
<v Speaker 2>thirty dollars an hour and they recorded at his house.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even at a studio. I love it at
<v Speaker 2>his house. They are not signed by a label. They're
<v Speaker 2>just like, hey, can we put this record together. They've
<v Speaker 2>got some help from their new manager, who basically owned
<v Speaker 2>the bar that they were playing in, and that's how
<v Speaker 2>this first album gets made. What is our song number one?
<v Speaker 4>Before I give you song number one, I just want
<v Speaker 4>to give a quick shout out to our buddy James Buckley,
<v Speaker 4>who helped me kind of get our list organized for
<v Speaker 4>Nickelback and Creed.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks James. James is all in to the Nickelback
<v Speaker 2>and Creed comparison, all in on whether they're worth hate
<v Speaker 2>or not.
<v Speaker 4>It's because he knows what's up, man. He knows good
<v Speaker 4>rock music when he hears it. All right, let's start
<v Speaker 4>off with their debut single. That song is called My
<v Speaker 4>Own Present.
<v Speaker 5>Aver No. Appeal on the Duggets. Today's my own.
<v Speaker 2>It's a great song. It's a great song. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's funny to me that the reason that we heard
<v Speaker 2>that everybody hated Nickelback was because that their lyrics were vacuous.
<v Speaker 2>Which I said, Hey, when's the last time you used
<v Speaker 2>that word in a sentence. Guess what you're picking up
<v Speaker 2>on what people are saying on the internet. If you're
<v Speaker 2>using that word to describe them, right, don't be a follower.
<v Speaker 2>Think for yourself. But then you compare that to Creed
<v Speaker 2>and hey, we've got some lyrics that actually have some
<v Speaker 2>significant meaning behind them, and they're hated because their lyrics
<v Speaker 2>have meanings like what it doesn't even make sense.
<v Speaker 4>So I heard their drummer, Scott Phillips, talking about this
<v Speaker 4>and he said, that's what really sets Scott stap apart,
<v Speaker 4>the fact that not only they're writing these great songs,
<v Speaker 4>which typically it was Scott Stapp lyrics, Mark Tremonte writing
<v Speaker 4>the music. He said, I really enjoyed how there was depth,
<v Speaker 4>there was substance behind the words. Now on this particular song,
<v Speaker 4>d there are some strong religious imagery going on here.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So we talked before we started talking on the
<v Speaker 2>podcast about the personalities in this band, and I mean basically,
<v Speaker 2>you really do just have two guys who are this
<v Speaker 2>band and then a bass player and a drummer. Not
<v Speaker 2>that Brian Marshall or Scott Phillips are a bad musicians,
<v Speaker 2>they're just not the guys making the music. They're the
<v Speaker 2>guys that are playing music. So you've got Scott's Stapp
<v Speaker 2>and you've got Mark Tremonti. Scott, as you said, his
<v Speaker 2>personality is kind of like a roller coaster. You're going
<v Speaker 2>up or you're going down, and it's big highs and
<v Speaker 2>deep lows. And Mark is more basically level headed. And
<v Speaker 2>that's probably the reason they ran into conflict. But we
<v Speaker 2>got to ask the question because I think a lot
<v Speaker 2>of the hate that the band gets is because of
<v Speaker 2>the hate that Scott's Stap gets. Right, That's right. And
<v Speaker 2>so just to give a little history for him, right
<v Speaker 2>three four years old, watching TV with his family and
<v Speaker 2>his dad, his biological dad gets up, walks out of
<v Speaker 2>the room and doesn't come back. That's a big hit.
<v Speaker 2>That's that is a huge hige. Yeah, that's huge. And
<v Speaker 2>so for a few years his mother is trying to
<v Speaker 2>get by to feed this family on food stamps, and
<v Speaker 2>she meets a man at her church who is a
<v Speaker 2>dentist who is doing well making mone and they get married.
<v Speaker 2>But this dentist, mister Stapp, who ultimately adopts Scott, is
<v Speaker 2>doctor Stapp.
<v Speaker 4>Thank you doctor years of dental scold and for you
<v Speaker 4>to call im mister Stapp.
<v Speaker 2>He says. He is a guy who is very religious,
<v Speaker 2>and when Scott goes astray, his punishment, in addition to
<v Speaker 2>getting beaten, is that he has to rewrite proverbs and
<v Speaker 2>not only that, but has to analyze them and say
<v Speaker 2>what does this mean? Apparently every Monday he would just
<v Speaker 2>get beaten because of what he might have done over
<v Speaker 2>the week that doctor Stapp didn't know about. Like that
<v Speaker 2>was it. It was this kind of idea, like I know
<v Speaker 2>that you've done something. I don't know what it is,
<v Speaker 2>but I just got to beat you every Monday. And
<v Speaker 2>that was his life. And that's a pretty rough road
<v Speaker 2>to hoe, right. But I think that this punishment, as
<v Speaker 2>atrocious as it sounds, has to be a huge influence
<v Speaker 2>on how he writes because his life is the life
<v Speaker 2>of the church, Like he doesn't have the influences of
<v Speaker 2>going out and partying with his friends. He doesn't have
<v Speaker 2>the influences of deep relationships at school because he's an
<v Speaker 2>outsider because of this weird religious stuff that he's got
<v Speaker 2>going on. So all that he has week after week
<v Speaker 2>after week is God, Church and scripture. And that's how
<v Speaker 2>this stuff gets woven into these lyrics. And this song
<v Speaker 2>here is a prime example of that. And I have
<v Speaker 2>the audacity to write about God. Let's hate on me
<v Speaker 2>for that. It doesn't make any sense to me, you know.
<v Speaker 4>It reminds me a little bit of ed Roland from
<v Speaker 4>Collective Soul. We talked about how when you're raised in
<v Speaker 4>that environment, it's who you are. It's your verbiage, it's
<v Speaker 4>your dictionary, it's how you speak, it's how you learn,
<v Speaker 4>it's how you talk. And so lyrics like see a
<v Speaker 4>vision of a cross, I feel the pain that was
<v Speaker 4>given on that sad day of loss. The lion roars
<v Speaker 4>in the darkness, only.
<v Speaker 2>He holds the key.
<v Speaker 4>A lot of cross imagery out of Jesus imagery the lion,
<v Speaker 4>you know the line.
<v Speaker 2>Of Judah Jesus.
<v Speaker 4>So that stuff just comes out of him on a
<v Speaker 4>deeper level. It's a spiritual thing within him. But it
<v Speaker 4>was really tipped in the extreme right. He had a
<v Speaker 4>ten o'clock curfew. He talked about how his first record
<v Speaker 4>that he bought was Pyromania because he liked the sunk photograph.
<v Speaker 4>You talk about benign rock and roll, Deth Lappard has
<v Speaker 4>bow as benign as you can get.
<v Speaker 2>Oh on hiromania, maybe not hysteria, Okay, I mean, what
<v Speaker 2>are love bites? But yeah, they did not spare the
<v Speaker 2>rod on their son, and it came out in his lyrics.
<v Speaker 2>He ran away from home when he was seventeen years
<v Speaker 2>old because of the situation that he was in, and
<v Speaker 2>then he thinks, okay, I will you know because his
<v Speaker 2>adoptive dad says, you're cut off. I'm not gonna help
<v Speaker 2>you if you're going to run away and not live
<v Speaker 2>under my rules. And so his way to make amends
<v Speaker 2>is he goes to a religious college. He goes to
<v Speaker 2>Lee College, right, which they have more strict rules than
<v Speaker 2>your standard university, and he does something that I can
<v Speaker 2>say that probably seventy five percent of the university goers
<v Speaker 2>that I went to school with did, which is he
<v Speaker 2>got high. He smoked pot with his friends. Unlike the
<v Speaker 2>rest of the people that I know, he got caught
<v Speaker 2>at this religious school. Somebody snitched on him. Yeah, somebody
<v Speaker 2>snitched on him. And so he had been taught honesty
<v Speaker 2>is the best policy. I'm going to be honest and
<v Speaker 2>they will forgive me. And he was honest, and they
<v Speaker 2>said get out. They expelled him. They didn't give him
<v Speaker 2>any kind of grace whatsoever. And so he now is
<v Speaker 2>without any money, without any place to stay. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>he's in a dorm room. He can't stay there anymore.
<v Speaker 2>He slept in his ta's closet for a while until
<v Speaker 2>they caught him doing that and had the police escort
<v Speaker 2>him out. I mean, this is not it's not a
<v Speaker 2>good representation of what Christianity should be for that's right.
<v Speaker 4>Well, let me offer a little bit of grace. He
<v Speaker 4>calls his grandparents, and his grandparents say, yeah, but we'll
<v Speaker 4>rinch an apartment.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Now, he didn't have any furniture, he or electricity. He
<v Speaker 4>slept on a bed of towels. That was his bed.
<v Speaker 4>In the depths of that, he started writing poetry, which
<v Speaker 4>then we know now were lyrics. By the way, My
<v Speaker 4>Own Prison peaked at number one on the Billboard Rock
<v Speaker 4>Charts and number.
<v Speaker 2>One on the Modern Rock charts.
<v Speaker 4>He woke up from a dream, wrote everything down, finished
<v Speaker 4>the song in about thirty minutes, and it's about him
<v Speaker 4>accepting responsibility for his bad decisions that put him in
<v Speaker 4>his own prison.
<v Speaker 3>Try.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's go with song number two.
<v Speaker 4>Song number two that I want to talk about is
<v Speaker 4>a song called torn.
<v Speaker 2>Will Didn't Know Me.
<v Speaker 4>This one is actually written by Mark Tremonte, who wrote
<v Speaker 4>the lyrics and the music.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, normally he's just the music. So Mark Tremonti he
<v Speaker 2>had actually been born I believe he was in Detroit,
<v Speaker 2>that's right, and grew up in Detroit. For the first
<v Speaker 2>part of his life was listening to Metallica and he
<v Speaker 2>was a metal guy, Anthrax and you know those the
<v Speaker 2>hard rocking bands. Then his father moved down to Florida
<v Speaker 2>where you know, ultimately he went to high school with
<v Speaker 2>Scott Stapp and he said, down there, people were listening
<v Speaker 2>to pop music.
<v Speaker 4>You know, Milli Vanilli is what he mentioned.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that one specifically, Yes, another band that we covered
<v Speaker 2>on Are They Worth the Hate? Right? Go back and
<v Speaker 2>check that episode out. It's one of my favorites. But
<v Speaker 2>they I guess they knew of each other in high school,
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't. They were friends. They were hanging out
<v Speaker 2>in different circles. So ultimately, after Scott has his apartment
<v Speaker 2>rented by his grandparents, he ultimately gets job, starts making
<v Speaker 2>some money, gets a girlfriend, and the girlfriend introduces him
<v Speaker 2>to some new music. She introduces him to led Zeppelin
<v Speaker 2>and the Doors, and he absolutely falls in love with
<v Speaker 2>the Doors. And I got to say this, There's been
<v Speaker 2>a lot of comparison, Like it is a well known
<v Speaker 2>comparison that they are the great value version of Pearl
<v Speaker 2>Jam right, Like everybody says, he just sings like Eddie Vedder,
<v Speaker 2>which I don't know that he sounds any more like
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Vedder than Scott Weiland or Lane Staley. I just
<v Speaker 2>don't get it. But if you throw back further and
<v Speaker 2>look at the Doors, he also sounds like Jim Morrison.
<v Speaker 2>Does sound like Jim Morrison. And ultimately, later on, once he
<v Speaker 2>hit fame, he actually got to go with the surviving
<v Speaker 2>members of the Doors and sing with them. I can't
<v Speaker 2>so cool because you listen to him sing those Door
<v Speaker 2>songs and you're like, damn it, dude, isn't spot on.
<v Speaker 4>Members of the Doors were like it was like Jim
<v Speaker 4>Morrison was on stage with us.
<v Speaker 5>Again, riders almost into this world, into.
<v Speaker 6>This like a Joe writers on the storm. There's a call.
<v Speaker 2>He really hits. But that's his vocal style. And just
<v Speaker 2>because it happens to be similar to Eddie Vetter's, it's
<v Speaker 2>tragic that people will have to make a deal out
<v Speaker 2>of that one thing.
<v Speaker 4>I will say Scott's stapp is very charismatic. He's very
<v Speaker 4>gifted as a singer. He's a great front man. But
<v Speaker 4>the lyrics to this song, because they were written Marchmonte,
<v Speaker 4>I thought this was interesting. He came home, he was
<v Speaker 4>like working as a cook at Chili's. Yeah, right, so
<v Speaker 4>these guys are about our age. He comes home, he's
<v Speaker 4>at an apartment. He wants to be a musician. His
<v Speaker 4>life is not going the way he wants it to.
<v Speaker 4>He smells like.
<v Speaker 2>Chilies chicken tenders.
<v Speaker 4>Right, he said he was smelly, gross, lost, and he
<v Speaker 4>and he wrote the song.
<v Speaker 2>So after Scott finds his girlfriend, he gets into the doors,
<v Speaker 2>he reads that at some point Jim Morrison lived in Tallahassee. Right,
<v Speaker 2>So he decides that's going to be the key to
<v Speaker 2>my success, and so he ups and moves to Tallahassee
<v Speaker 2>and as it turns out, that's where Mark had moved
<v Speaker 2>to as well. They were both working in the food
<v Speaker 2>court at the local mall and they see, you know,
<v Speaker 2>recognize each other and ultimately get together and ultimately it worked.
<v Speaker 4>It worked to the tune of millions of records ultimately
<v Speaker 4>and a date in Oklahoma City next week.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, they hit it off so well, they felt
<v Speaker 2>like that vibe that they both decided, this is what
<v Speaker 2>we've got to do. We have got to put a
<v Speaker 2>band together. So they go and they recruit Brian Marshall
<v Speaker 2>to play the bass, and they recruit Scott Phillips to
<v Speaker 2>play the drums, and they finagled deal with a local
<v Speaker 2>club called Floyd's to be the house band. According to
<v Speaker 2>the internets, it was we guarantee you two hundred people
<v Speaker 2>a night, right, Scott, You know when they do the
<v Speaker 2>is Wikipedia right, Scott's steps like, I don't remember guaranteeing
<v Speaker 2>two hundred people a night. But yes, it's true that
<v Speaker 2>we did play as the house for Floyd's. But all
<v Speaker 2>that they were doing was playing cover songs, which is
<v Speaker 2>what you do is a beginning band most of the time.
<v Speaker 2>But they had a couple of originals that they had
<v Speaker 2>put together, and so one night, as they're playing at Floyd's,
<v Speaker 2>the bartender hears them play these original songs. He calls
<v Speaker 2>up the club owner, Jeff Hansen and says, I need
<v Speaker 2>you to come over here. And Jeff is, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>this is you know, one o'clock in the morning, and
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Hansen is like, what's wrong? Why do I come?
<v Speaker 2>He's like, this band is playing some songs and I
<v Speaker 2>really think you need to hear it. And he's like, okay, okay,
<v Speaker 2>and he gets up and he goes over to listen
<v Speaker 2>to who at the time, I believe they were called
<v Speaker 2>Naked Toddler. Maybe there was a handful of names, that's right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>And he goes and listens and he's like, these guys
<v Speaker 2>are going to be famous. And he sells his interest
<v Speaker 2>in restaurants so that he can fund creating an album
<v Speaker 2>with at the time Naked Toddler right what ultimately would
<v Speaker 2>become Creed.
<v Speaker 4>Mark Tramonte was talking about how one of the things
<v Speaker 4>that really led him to believe that Scotts Stabb was
<v Speaker 4>the guy.
<v Speaker 2>Scott's Stab was going to be.
<v Speaker 4>The guy that carried us as the quarterback for this thing,
<v Speaker 4>because they had been jamming with their buddies or whatever.
<v Speaker 4>As matter of fact, they were jamming on Living Color Nice.
<v Speaker 4>I gotta think it's culture personality. So Mark had a
<v Speaker 4>buddy who was playing on the drums, and one day
<v Speaker 4>he comes in. It's fifteen minutes late, and Scott's like,
<v Speaker 4>you don't have it, you don't have the heart, you
<v Speaker 4>don't have the decency to be here on time. You're out,
<v Speaker 4>And Mark's like, that guy's my friend. What are you
<v Speaker 4>talking about?
<v Speaker 2>You know? But ultimately he sort of bowed to that
<v Speaker 2>intensity and said, well, this is how we're gonna go.
<v Speaker 2>This is what we're gonna do. I can say that
<v Speaker 2>we have not yet covered a band that didn't have
<v Speaker 2>at least one member of the band who is like that.
<v Speaker 2>There isn't a band that we've covered where all of
<v Speaker 2>the members are like, yeah, you know whatever.
<v Speaker 4>Right, No, No, you gotta have somebody.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there is always a member that says, this is it,
<v Speaker 2>this is how we're gonna make it, and nothing else
<v Speaker 2>is gonna get in our way. Yeah, and if you're
<v Speaker 2>not in, you're out. Wait for the next song. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>let's do it.
<v Speaker 4>Next song is called What's This Life for.
<v Speaker 5>Child? Then makes through if there's anyway.
<v Speaker 2>Because Okay, so this one, I got to address the
<v Speaker 2>elephant in the room that I've already touched on a
<v Speaker 2>little bit, and that's the idea that this is a
<v Speaker 2>Christian band, Okay, because he's writing music based upon how
<v Speaker 2>he grew up right and his own struggles. And I
<v Speaker 2>got to say, this was one of my favorite songs
<v Speaker 2>because I'm these guys h like, these guys were all
<v Speaker 2>born in the early to mid seventies, which is when
<v Speaker 2>I was born, and so he's going through the same
<v Speaker 2>struggles that I am, looking for meaning and that sort
<v Speaker 2>of thing. And so because of his religious upbringing, and
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you it was a lot more religious
<v Speaker 2>than mine, he's asking the same questions that I was asking.
<v Speaker 2>But on their debut album, part of the chorus of
<v Speaker 2>this song is but they ain't here no more, don't
<v Speaker 2>have to settle no g D.
<v Speaker 1>Score.
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you there are no quote unquote Christian
<v Speaker 2>bands that have God D a m N in there lyrics.
<v Speaker 4>They're not gonna play that at worship time on Sunday morning.
<v Speaker 4>This is the third single off My Own Prison. This
<v Speaker 4>actually reached number one on the mainstream rock charts stayed
<v Speaker 4>there for six weeks.
<v Speaker 2>This is a great song man. So far, all these
<v Speaker 2>songs are just bulls eyes for me? Have you seen
<v Speaker 2>the video for this? Which one is this?
<v Speaker 4>This is the one they shot in Joshua Tree National
<v Speaker 4>Park in California, and the director is like, I want
<v Speaker 4>it to be like Creed is playing so passionately that
<v Speaker 4>it changes the weather. So at first the video is like,
<v Speaker 4>you know, desert set, and then rain blows.
<v Speaker 2>In and it's a massive rainstorm. Okay, so this is
<v Speaker 2>the same.
<v Speaker 4>Guy who directed the higher video and then I don't
<v Speaker 4>know if you remember five for Fighting the Superman It's
<v Speaker 4>Not Easy song.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he directed that video as well. Okay, I love
<v Speaker 2>that song as well.
<v Speaker 4>This was featured in the movie Halloween H two to
<v Speaker 4>Oh you remember that well?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it just came out like five years ago.
<v Speaker 4>No, No, the no from ninety eight.
<v Speaker 2>Oh this was something else. Well, So this was Jamie
<v Speaker 2>Lee Curtis's first return as LORI. That's the one that
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking of. I guess I just am old.
<v Speaker 2>And time has gone by five years ago means actually
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years ago, right exactly? That was five years ago.
<v Speaker 2>What we talked a little bit about it.
<v Speaker 4>But as they were building this demo, because all these
<v Speaker 4>songs were initially on a demo, It's kind of like
<v Speaker 4>the collective soul story, right, But they would piece it together,
<v Speaker 4>you know. Each week, one guy was responsible for kicking
<v Speaker 4>in one hundred bucks yeh to make their demo, and
<v Speaker 4>they would pay their producer, Jeff Kurtzman a little bit
<v Speaker 4>out of time just to kind of build this on
<v Speaker 4>his own free.
<v Speaker 2>Time, like thirty bucks an hour.
<v Speaker 4>I remember one song in particular, Scott said he looked
<v Speaker 4>around and he was in a room with bunk beds
<v Speaker 4>and there's toys on the floor. Yeah, you know, but
<v Speaker 4>Scott tried a get rich quick scheme. Yeah, he got
<v Speaker 4>involved in some pyramid scheme. He's gonna like, hey, I'm
<v Speaker 4>gonna double the band's money here real fast.
<v Speaker 2>Huh. This one he's got the reputation for being a
<v Speaker 2>bit of a douchebag. Hey, I understand if you want
<v Speaker 2>to make an investment on behalf of the band, but
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to do that, you talk to the
<v Speaker 2>band about you don't just go, hey, guys, surprise, bad news, everybody.
<v Speaker 2>I lost all of our money, like like three thousand
<v Speaker 2>dollars and so Jeff Hanson has to go ask for
<v Speaker 2>a loan from a buddy just to finish this album.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 4>Jeff Hansen is the guy who talked the radio station
<v Speaker 4>into playing my own Prison for the first time. He
<v Speaker 4>did what a manager does, right.
<v Speaker 2>But for Jeff Hanson, we would not have creed. He
<v Speaker 2>was there to sign them, he was there to promote them.
<v Speaker 2>He was there to save them when Scott lost all
<v Speaker 2>of their money, and he was the guy who was
<v Speaker 2>out there pushing their product to get them played on
<v Speaker 2>the radio. And the DJ who he gave it to.
<v Speaker 2>I saw the interview. The DJ said it was unlike
<v Speaker 2>anything I've ever seen. The song wasn't even over and
<v Speaker 2>we had calls pouring in asking about this. It's a
<v Speaker 2>great song man. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>By the way, this song is written about Mark Tramonte's
<v Speaker 4>childhood friend who committed Suicide's tragic Okay. Next song on
<v Speaker 4>the album is called one.
<v Speaker 5>Before Honor Maybe.
<v Speaker 7>Just Deal Basic problem.
<v Speaker 5>Dear two over.
<v Speaker 2>Okay number one. I love the song number two. This
<v Speaker 2>song is not politically correct, Okay, take from one give
<v Speaker 2>to another, society blind by color? Why hold down on
<v Speaker 2>to raise another? I think that this song is a
<v Speaker 2>reaction to affirmative action. Could be wrong about that. I
<v Speaker 2>think that what he says is that we should be
<v Speaker 2>unified and we should be color blind. Yes, And I
<v Speaker 2>think that what he's saying is the actions that have
<v Speaker 2>been put into play largely in the late nineties are
<v Speaker 2>not a unifying action but a separating action. Interesting. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>here's what I do know.
<v Speaker 4>This was the fourth single released off of My Own
<v Speaker 4>Prison and reached number two on the Mainstream Rock chart.
<v Speaker 4>This was a song that Scott Stapps sang while in
<v Speaker 4>the room with bunk beds and toys on the floor.
<v Speaker 2>Right, So it's important to know that their original production
<v Speaker 2>is not the one that had all of these big
<v Speaker 2>hits and big sellers. Right. They had this album that
<v Speaker 2>they had produced themselves, and they sold all of those
<v Speaker 2>copies that they had, six thousand copies, and they sold
<v Speaker 2>them all so good he made his money back. But
<v Speaker 2>ultimately they had to get signed by a record label
<v Speaker 2>before they were going to hit the charts like they
<v Speaker 2>were hitting. And so it turns out one of their shows,
<v Speaker 2>a lady named Diana Meltzer goes to the show and
<v Speaker 2>she's like, these guys are freaking awesome. And her husband
<v Speaker 2>was a guy who had started up a company called
<v Speaker 2>wind Up Records. His name was Alan Meltz and his
<v Speaker 2>wife sees the show and she's like, these are the
<v Speaker 2>guys that you need to sign. So literally, this is
<v Speaker 2>a brand new record label that doesn't have any indication
<v Speaker 2>of success at all. And I had heard several times
<v Speaker 2>that there were, you know, fourteen record labels that had
<v Speaker 2>passed on Creed, but ultimately this one signed it because
<v Speaker 2>they're a little, no name, brand new record label. Mark
<v Speaker 2>said no, that's not true. He was like, we had
<v Speaker 2>a couple of record labels that said no, but it
<v Speaker 2>was a pretty quick turnaround. So Alan agrees with his wife.
<v Speaker 2>They say, we want you to sign with wind Up Records.
<v Speaker 2>And so the boys, being you know, young twenty something guys,
<v Speaker 2>are like, this is it. We've made it. We've been
<v Speaker 2>signed by a record label. And so Scott's stapp says,
<v Speaker 2>we are going to sign it in blood, right, and
<v Speaker 2>so he like he gets this rusty whatever to cut
<v Speaker 2>his hand and sign in blood, and he convinces Brian
<v Speaker 2>and Scott to sign in blood, and Mark's like, I'm
<v Speaker 2>not a lady cut that's ridiculous, and so they send
<v Speaker 2>the record contract over and they're like, it's signing red
<v Speaker 2>that voids the contract. You're gonna have to resign this.
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, they had signed it in their blood
<v Speaker 2>and then had to resign it because it was a
<v Speaker 2>void contract. That's hilarious. I got a quick funny story
<v Speaker 2>for you. Did you hear the lollipop story? I have not.
<v Speaker 2>You told me don't let me forget the lollipop story,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I'm not going to explore that. I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to let myself be surprised. Okay.
<v Speaker 4>So I heard him being interviewed and a guy said, hey,
<v Speaker 4>has anybody ever thrown anything at you on stage?
<v Speaker 2>You've been hit within thing. He's like, oh yeah, oh yeah.
<v Speaker 2>This is Scott's Stap talking.
<v Speaker 4>Scott Stap said the one of the worst ones was
<v Speaker 4>somebody threw a lollipop from the upper deck and he
<v Speaker 4>said his drummer could see it coming. And Scott's like, listen,
<v Speaker 4>I'm very active on stage.
<v Speaker 2>I move around, I shake.
<v Speaker 4>I bought my head, I bang my head, I move.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm here, I'm there. He goes to hit me.
<v Speaker 4>You've really got to be good because I move around
<v Speaker 4>a lot and this lollipop was just going. He said
<v Speaker 4>it hit him right in the temple and he said
<v Speaker 4>it he's all stars, and it was like, I mean
<v Speaker 4>it nearly chaoed him a freaking lollipop from the upper deck.
<v Speaker 2>All right, we ready to go on to the next song.
<v Speaker 2>So we need a new album, right this is This
<v Speaker 2>was their debut album. So then the question is can
<v Speaker 2>they come out with something good for their sophomore offering?
<v Speaker 2>Can they go higher? Come on? That was too easy?
<v Speaker 2>This song is called Higher.
<v Speaker 5>Woo Thee.
<v Speaker 4>This is one of the truly last great songs of
<v Speaker 4>the nineties.
<v Speaker 2>It really is a great song and I love this song.
<v Speaker 2>I would listen to this song over and over off
<v Speaker 2>of this album. Have you seen the video? Yeah, I've
<v Speaker 2>seen the video, So I think this is another chink
<v Speaker 2>in the weight scale towards Scott steps douchebaggery. Okay, I
<v Speaker 2>mean the video starts off with them back in the
<v Speaker 2>dressing room and it's this very polished video and he's
<v Speaker 2>in his pleather pants and his white wife beater that's
<v Speaker 2>way too tight. Slow motion walk, slow motion as they
<v Speaker 2>walk ignoring all of the incredibly gorgeous girls who were
<v Speaker 2>funning over them. You think about what grunge did of
<v Speaker 2>like bringing reality back to music after the leather pants
<v Speaker 2>of the hair metal of the eighties. It's like we've
<v Speaker 2>come full circle and these post grins and guys are
<v Speaker 2>now in the leather pants again, and it's just douchey.
<v Speaker 4>So I did hear Scott say that he's embarrassed when
<v Speaker 4>he goes back and watches this video.
<v Speaker 2>Very well deserved embarrassment.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this song is a banger. I have a personal
<v Speaker 4>story about this. I was at a very important football
<v Speaker 4>game you went on to win the national championship, and
<v Speaker 4>they had this real hard run in October.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I was showed up at football stadium like seven o'clock
<v Speaker 4>in the morning and this was thumping from the speaker's
<v Speaker 4>first thing seven am, and I was like, this is
<v Speaker 4>gonna be a great day.
<v Speaker 2>Man, perfect song to follow that journey.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely red October, this song reached number seven on
<v Speaker 4>the Hot one hundred.
<v Speaker 2>This is from July twenty second, two thousand.
<v Speaker 4>Okay Hire hits number seven peaks out number seven, number
<v Speaker 4>six absolutely by nine Days Crickets.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who that is. Number five. I want
<v Speaker 2>to know by Joe sounds familiar. Number four, It's Gonna
<v Speaker 2>Be Me by n Sync, Well, okay, yeah, in Sync
<v Speaker 2>was still right in the wave. I guess.
<v Speaker 4>Number three Try Again by Ailiah Nope. Number two Everything
<v Speaker 4>you Want by Vertical Horizon.
<v Speaker 2>That's a good song, okay.
<v Speaker 4>Number one Bent by Matchbox twenty.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that was a decent song. There's a few familiar
<v Speaker 2>faces there. Yeah, so sad the end of rock and roll.
<v Speaker 4>The genesis of this song is pretty interesting because they
<v Speaker 4>would challenge themselves live to see if they could improvise
<v Speaker 4>a song on stage, and they would start with the
<v Speaker 4>drums and then the guitars would come in, and then
<v Speaker 4>Scott was kind of expected to sing something. And they
<v Speaker 4>would go back and they would watch video footage of
<v Speaker 4>their concerts and they would say, Okay, that's a good idea.
<v Speaker 4>Let's further that one.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that one out.
<v Speaker 4>But this is one of those where like, well this
<v Speaker 4>is really good, we need to flesh this one out
<v Speaker 4>into a full.
<v Speaker 2>Blown song, right. Yeah. So that's that's Mark's story of
<v Speaker 2>how this song came to be. Okay, here's a Scott's
<v Speaker 2>story of how the song. Scott was having dreams about
<v Speaker 2>being chased by a gunman, like hiding under a bridge
<v Speaker 2>chased by a gunman. It was nightmares that were freaking.
<v Speaker 2>He was a recurring dream like. He couldn't get rid
<v Speaker 2>of it, and so he started studying lucid dreaming, like
<v Speaker 2>techniques to if you know what lucid dreaming is, control
<v Speaker 2>your dream as you're dreaming. And so once he had
<v Speaker 2>studied those techniques, he put them into play and he
<v Speaker 2>was able to escape the gunman and feel safe. From
<v Speaker 2>that time on, he didn't have those dreams anymore, and
<v Speaker 2>that's what inspired him to write the lyrics to this song.
<v Speaker 4>By the way, side note streets of Gold that is
<v Speaker 4>a biblical reference Revelation twenty one, twenty one and then
<v Speaker 4>a place where blind men see Yeah, gotta be Matthew
<v Speaker 4>twenty verses thirty to thirty three, where she's this makes
<v Speaker 4>imply mency biblical imagery again coming out in the song.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>The interesting thing that I find about this, so Scott
<v Speaker 4>has all these personal problems, which we'll get into here
<v Speaker 4>in a second, but the band is finally now paying
<v Speaker 4>attention to the lyrics because they're being labeled as a
<v Speaker 4>Christian band, and they're like, what's going on here, Scott,
<v Speaker 4>This was not our dream to be a Christian band, right,
<v Speaker 4>Scott's like, well, I'm just writing what I'm writing, you know, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's no way Scott could have been
<v Speaker 2>surprised by what people were saying of them being a
<v Speaker 2>Christian band with is as much influenced God's not surprised
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the guys because they are getting labeled
<v Speaker 2>as a Christian band. But I mean, you can't call
<v Speaker 2>the band creed and refer to God and religious themes
<v Speaker 2>in basically all of your huge hits and not know
<v Speaker 2>that some people are going to call you a Christian band.
<v Speaker 2>But they literally put out a statement, Hey, we are
<v Speaker 2>not a Christian band. You know, we have our own
<v Speaker 2>beliefs and we write about those beliefs, but we do
<v Speaker 2>not have an agenda. Christian band has an agenda to convert.
<v Speaker 2>We do not have that. But yeah, they came out
<v Speaker 2>and said very specifically, we're not a Christian band. I
<v Speaker 2>heard him say that.
<v Speaker 4>Basically, they were accepted by the Christian music community and
<v Speaker 4>by the secular community, and that's part of the reason.
<v Speaker 2>Why they sold so many records. Yeah, I hate to
<v Speaker 2>leave this one so early. But we've got to press on. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Great song. Next song we're going to talk about it
<v Speaker 2>is a song called what If Bob in My head Man? Yeah? Well,
<v Speaker 2>I mean I heard this one again for the first
<v Speaker 2>time this morning. This was a great song to work
<v Speaker 2>out too, sure, totally brought on the dead and bloated
<v Speaker 2>vibes from stp Okay, the growley scream that comes in
<v Speaker 2>when he starts singing seems very much. I think that's fair.
<v Speaker 2>I am standing like a rose that somebody gave me
<v Speaker 2>on my birthday. Death bad out about it still still
<v Speaker 2>kills it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>This was the second single, released January thirty, first, two thousand.
<v Speaker 4>That beginning part sounds exactly like pant Black.
<v Speaker 2>From The Rolling Stones. Oh yeah, very similar. Have you
<v Speaker 2>seen the music video the song appears on the Screen
<v Speaker 2>three soundtrack, widely regarded as the best of the Oh wait, no,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, worst of the scream movies.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, I didn't know there was a bad scream movie.
<v Speaker 2>Better.
<v Speaker 4>The video is really cool, So I watched it so nineties.
<v Speaker 4>You really need to go back and watch it. It
<v Speaker 4>starts off with David Arquette, who, of course is Rosanna
<v Speaker 4>Arquette's brother Rosanna from the Toto video just in case
<v Speaker 4>you remember that old episode.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, or if you want Courtney Cox's husband from Our
<v Speaker 2>Friend's Soundtrack episode.
<v Speaker 4>And Born in the USA episode, that's true. Yeah, but
<v Speaker 4>it starts off with David Arquette, who's playing the character
<v Speaker 4>Dewey Riley from the movie Scream, and basically all the
<v Speaker 4>members of the band are killed by ghost Face throughout
<v Speaker 4>the course of the video.
<v Speaker 2>It's so nineties. It's it's cheesy. Doesn't he come? Like
<v Speaker 2>he comes and grabs Scott's stap while he's like out
<v Speaker 2>on a date and pulls him into a tree or
<v Speaker 2>something like it. It's so ridiculous, ghastly.
<v Speaker 4>And then at the end of course, it's revealed that
<v Speaker 4>the band is all playing a prank on their girlfriends.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 4>So the video is kind of stupid, but the song rocks,
<v Speaker 4>and it's so nineties. If you love the nineties, I
<v Speaker 4>don't think you can control your smile when you watch
<v Speaker 4>this video. All right, all right, let's move on to
<v Speaker 4>the next one. Next song is called with Arms Wide Open.
<v Speaker 5>Well L chose her. The news today.
<v Speaker 2>Serves my life.
<v Speaker 5>Here's gonna change.
<v Speaker 3>I'll close my eyes.
<v Speaker 5>Began to prayer.
<v Speaker 2>Them cheers and sounds amazing. It's hard to argue against
<v Speaker 2>this song given that it is the biggest hit of
<v Speaker 2>one of the best selling groups of all time. It
<v Speaker 2>won a Grammy. It's huge, even the video. I remember
<v Speaker 2>the video for this one, you know, even though I
<v Speaker 2>wasn't watching MTV at that time, it was unscapable this song.
<v Speaker 2>It really was unescapable, although I have a feeling deaf.
<v Speaker 2>Dave managed to escape it, but it's down in his
<v Speaker 2>cave with his run DMC.
<v Speaker 4>I absolutely love this song, so I'm perplexed that you
<v Speaker 4>don't like it.
<v Speaker 2>I don't dislike the song, Okay, I don't dislike the song.
<v Speaker 4>My oldest son, Gunnar, was born right around this time,
<v Speaker 4>and when he he was born, I made some pictures
<v Speaker 4>put it to this song, and you know, showed.
<v Speaker 2>It to my family and so it's perfect.
<v Speaker 4>It's this is a goosebump type of.
<v Speaker 2>Song for me, right well, I mean, this is the
<v Speaker 2>song that he wrote when he found out that his
<v Speaker 2>wife was pregnant with their first child.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely Jagger, that's right. Her name is Hillary. Okay, they
<v Speaker 4>were married, they're no longer married. I read online where
<v Speaker 4>she was arrested for punching him with a cell phone.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, which he may have had coming. He may have
<v Speaker 2>had coming, that's true.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, especially after seeing some of his drunken outbursts and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>There's a whole lot of more chinks on on the
<v Speaker 2>scale as time continues to move on. So before we
<v Speaker 2>get away from this song in this video, yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>love the song. It's beautiful, it's a it's a obviously
<v Speaker 2>from the heart. He's excited about his first child, wanting
<v Speaker 2>more for his son's childhood than he had growing up.
<v Speaker 2>Take this world, take it by the hand. He wants,
<v Speaker 2>he wants something better for his son, and that's that's
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful thing. Yes, And obviously when things get really popular,
<v Speaker 2>everybody wants to then jump on the hate bandwagon. But
<v Speaker 2>I also got to say, watching this video, if you've
<v Speaker 2>come out and said we are not a Christian band,
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm just going out to ledge here. Maybe putting
<v Speaker 2>yourself in the video on a mountain with your arms
<v Speaker 2>stretched out like Jesus on the cross is not the
<v Speaker 2>best move to back up that statement. His arms are why.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why people are confused we're not a
<v Speaker 2>Christian band. I don't know why. I'm were just saying
<v Speaker 2>that it's Scott. We're not in rejod Dan Arrow here.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you've got yourself post like Jesus in the
<v Speaker 2>video on the mountain with the helicopter rotating around you. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I know that that was an irritant. I know it
<v Speaker 4>was an irritant for Fred Durst from Limp Biscuit. I
<v Speaker 4>know it's an iritant for Jeff Johnson.
<v Speaker 2>He told me that Offspring, the lead singer, would wear
<v Speaker 2>a shirt that said f Creed or Creed sucks or
<v Speaker 2>something like that. I mean, everyone else in the rock
<v Speaker 2>and roll community wanted to hate on this band because
<v Speaker 2>we're not Christian. But let me come out with this
<v Speaker 2>video where I am obviously Jesus on the cross.
<v Speaker 4>Well and Scott's you know, he's been pretty open about it.
<v Speaker 4>I think he's been very open about this that the
<v Speaker 4>guys were confused, what's going on in our lyrics? Oh,
<v Speaker 4>by the way, you're snorting cocaine, Like, what's going You're
<v Speaker 4>not living this Christian life.
<v Speaker 2>So this song was released in April April twenty fourth
<v Speaker 2>of the year two thousand. Yeah, you mentioned Fred Durst,
<v Speaker 2>So April May June. Three months later, they're in a
<v Speaker 2>show together. Limp Biscuit is the opening act. Creed has
<v Speaker 2>come on later and Fred Durst from the stage says,
<v Speaker 2>f Scott stap he's a freaking egomaniac, and the feud begins, right,
<v Speaker 2>if you don't want to appear to be a douchebag,
<v Speaker 2>don't be a douchebag.
<v Speaker 4>Well before revealing what we know later on, he was
<v Speaker 4>bipolar and he had mental health issues that were coming
<v Speaker 4>to the surface.
<v Speaker 2>So let's hang on to that thought verse sec I
<v Speaker 2>can I can feel your need to defend Scott, and
<v Speaker 2>I understand that he.
<v Speaker 4>Acted in a way that was very abrasive to a
<v Speaker 4>lot of people. I do understand that. By the way,
<v Speaker 4>the song hit number one on the Hot one hundred,
<v Speaker 4>and I actually recognized two more songs in the top five.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, okay, So number three was Kryptonite by three
<v Speaker 4>Doors Down Love It, fantastic song, absolutely another Christian Man.
<v Speaker 2>Number two Madonna Music Music The Beat. I lost me
<v Speaker 2>on that one, and then number one with Arms Wide Open. Okay.
<v Speaker 4>That brings us to album number three. First song off
<v Speaker 4>of album three is a song called My Sacrifice.
<v Speaker 5>My Pet, Your oil.
<v Speaker 2>This is the song that made me go by this album.
<v Speaker 2>This is probably my favorite Creed song. I love it.
<v Speaker 2>I love it too. It's melodic, it's rock, it even
<v Speaker 2>is beautiful yep. And it speaks to a belief that
<v Speaker 2>we will share. So this song came out the single
<v Speaker 2>was released before the album came out. Was released in
<v Speaker 2>October of two thousand and one. The album comes out
<v Speaker 2>later that November, maybe two weeks later or so, and
<v Speaker 2>everybody is scarfing up this album because of this song. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's like people our age. It was kind of like mandatory,
<v Speaker 2>like when you went to the airport, they made sure
<v Speaker 2>you got your copy of Creed. Everybody owned this album. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>This song deals with Scott's struggles with drugs and alcohol, Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>which he battled for many years past this.
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, once again, this passes the goosebump test.
<v Speaker 4>They talked about how in order for songs to make
<v Speaker 4>the album, they would test it and if it gave
<v Speaker 4>the band goosebumps, that meant it was good enough for
<v Speaker 4>the album.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a breakdown in the middle of the song.
<v Speaker 2>Let me play it for you real quick.
<v Speaker 8>Well, uhes a abouvers who will.
<v Speaker 5>Rasty too.
<v Speaker 2>I heard it a thousand times and game me goose
<v Speaker 2>bums right there. Yeah, it's it's unquestionably a fantastic song.
<v Speaker 2>It again, I mean, legitimately flies in the face of
<v Speaker 2>this idea that they're not a Christian based band, But
<v Speaker 2>I don't care because the song is so incredible and
<v Speaker 2>again it speaks to the struggles that Scott is going through,
<v Speaker 2>like when you're with me, I'm free, when you're not,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I mean, it's a very important concept to
<v Speaker 2>his heart and mind and spirit.
<v Speaker 4>It's a spiritual song. Yeah, this reached number four on
<v Speaker 4>the Hot one hundred. I recognize two the songs in
<v Speaker 4>the Hot one hundred Top five two thousand and two,
<v Speaker 4>which is pretty amazing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Number five is In the End by Lincoln Park, great song, right,
<v Speaker 4>Number four is My Sacrifice. Number three is Always on
<v Speaker 4>Time by Jarroul. Number two is How You Remind Me by.
<v Speaker 2>Nickelback of course, of course, and number one is You
<v Speaker 2>Got It Bad by Usher. Well, okay, I mean I
<v Speaker 2>know of that song. So yeah, that's a decent top five.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this song is so old that they actually played
<v Speaker 4>it on some of the Human Clay tour dates.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, as amazing as this song is. This is
<v Speaker 2>the time period where we see Scott really starting to
<v Speaker 2>slide down that slippery slope that allows everybody to jump
<v Speaker 2>on the let Me Hate Create bandwagon. They're immensely successful.
<v Speaker 2>They portray themselves as Christian. But Scott's got a massive
<v Speaker 2>drug and alcohol problem, right And then what happens is
<v Speaker 2>he is in a car wreck as he's going to
<v Speaker 2>record with the band. He is in a car wreck
<v Speaker 2>right around the same time, right around two thousand and two.
<v Speaker 2>It seems minor at the time, and he doesn't realize
<v Speaker 2>that he's hurt, which is not I mean, genuinely, I
<v Speaker 2>have plenty experience with this. It's not unusual that you
<v Speaker 2>don't feel hurt when you have a car wreck and
<v Speaker 2>then later on develop pain from the injuries that you
<v Speaker 2>didn't know you had. But the law enforcement comes to
<v Speaker 2>do the report, they note that there are no injuries
<v Speaker 2>and that's like one thousand dollars worth of damage or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>But then later on he develops these neck pain, back pain,
<v Speaker 2>and they cancel the next twenty dates that they have
<v Speaker 2>on their tour over this, which, of course everybody latches
<v Speaker 2>onto and like, oh, no injury in the car wreck,
<v Speaker 2>but they're going to now cancel twenty dates. And then,
<v Speaker 2>as as you've mentioned before, the car wreck, he's doing
<v Speaker 2>his own drugs and alcohol. When he starts doing the
<v Speaker 2>pain meds, he flat out says, I did not drink
<v Speaker 2>alcohol because I thought that that was going to be
<v Speaker 2>a bad combination. But that just meant that I was
<v Speaker 2>going to do a lot more of the pain meds.
<v Speaker 2>And so he becomes addicted to the pain meds instead
<v Speaker 2>of to the drugs and alcohol that he was doing before,
<v Speaker 2>which becomes even more difficult for him to overcome.
<v Speaker 4>Before we get into all the fallout from that, the
<v Speaker 4>song for the video that he was on his way
<v Speaker 4>to when he got in that car accident is the
<v Speaker 4>next song we're going to talk about.
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's see it. That song is called when Last Breath.
<v Speaker 5>Please Go a Thirk.
<v Speaker 7>Sam Aphound Nowhere, I'm Change Juice, I Got a Battle,
<v Speaker 7>when her fuller bottle down, last Word.
<v Speaker 5>And we're the lensson nermous.
<v Speaker 2>I defy you to say that that is not a
<v Speaker 2>great song as well. This in any day of the
<v Speaker 2>week is in the running for a number one Creed song.
<v Speaker 2>For me, this song routinely will make me tear up.
<v Speaker 2>I can see your eyes are watery right now. I'm
<v Speaker 2>just I mean, the emotional struggle that he is describing
<v Speaker 2>is something that so many people go through, and it's
<v Speaker 2>just it's hard, and the life is hard, and this
<v Speaker 2>is talking about is it worth it? Right?
<v Speaker 4>Six feet It's not really that far down. I mean
<v Speaker 4>he battled with suicide, depression, anxiety, heartbreak, drug addiction.
<v Speaker 2>This guy's been through it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>This is the third single off of Weather, released to
<v Speaker 4>April of two thousand and two. This hits number six
<v Speaker 4>on the Hot one hundred. I don't know any of
<v Speaker 4>the songs in the top five, okay.
<v Speaker 2>Right, the band got together.
<v Speaker 4>They wrote this in his living room, Scott steps living room,
<v Speaker 4>and also on his c Ray Cruiser. So I guess
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't all bad all the time, but it was
<v Speaker 4>written at a time when the band was falling apart.
<v Speaker 2>And like we said, on the way to.
<v Speaker 4>Shoot the video, if he watched the video, he was
<v Speaker 4>in a car wreck where he hits his head on
<v Speaker 4>the windshield. He breaks a couple of discs in his
<v Speaker 4>back that ultimately gives him medical trouble for a long
<v Speaker 4>time and causes more pain addiction problems and ultimately was
<v Speaker 4>a terrible day and a terrible decade after this an
<v Speaker 4>amazingly beautiful song.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I got to say this in the Shirly
<v Speaker 2>Text group that we have. One of the things that
<v Speaker 2>I like to do when I run into epic cover
<v Speaker 2>versions of songs is I will send it on to you, guys.
<v Speaker 2>I love hearing the epic covers of various songs. I
<v Speaker 2>talked about it. I said the Kiss song from The
<v Speaker 2>Fall Guy, I was made for loving you. I was
<v Speaker 2>made for loving you. I love it, you know. It
<v Speaker 2>gave me a little more love kiss, which I don't
<v Speaker 2>really love at all. So that wasn't too hard. But
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Prophet and Nicole Rono came out in two thousand
<v Speaker 2>and two with an ep called The Creed Collection, and
<v Speaker 2>they have a cover version of with Arms wide open,
<v Speaker 2>of Hire, of One Last Breath, and of My Sacrifice.
<v Speaker 2>But one Last Breath is the first one that I heard,
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh my gosh, could they have
<v Speaker 2>made the song better? It's so beautiful to hear a
<v Speaker 2>woman seeing me in this song with an orchestral background
<v Speaker 2>and his.
<v Speaker 9>Grace a cryd hem save me when I'm down to
<v Speaker 9>last pray him with me, save me six feet from
<v Speaker 9>me a month akain, maybe six feet a soul far.
<v Speaker 2>So tell me you couldn't imagine that one playing at
<v Speaker 2>the opening of a gam Bond movie. Oh definitely. It
<v Speaker 2>sounds like the Billie Eilish song No Time to Die exactly.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, guys, if you haven't listened to it,
<v Speaker 2>go back and check out our Bond theme draft that
<v Speaker 2>we did with some of the coolest podcasters in the world.
<v Speaker 2>That Jason did with the coolest podcasters in the game.
<v Speaker 2>I was I was absent that day and I get
<v Speaker 2>to just enjoy it on the headset like everybody else.
<v Speaker 2>It was Jason and a bunch of cool podcasters. Oh
<v Speaker 2>that's beautiful. I love it.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's such a great song, such a beautiful
<v Speaker 4>song and again, deep meaningful lyrics. All right, let's go
<v Speaker 4>on to the last song leased from Weathered, and the
<v Speaker 4>last song would get from Creed until two thousand and nine.
<v Speaker 4>That song's called Weather. So this song was released November
<v Speaker 4>of two thousand and two, nearly a year after the
<v Speaker 4>album was released, reached number seven the stream rock charts.
<v Speaker 2>Again.
<v Speaker 4>Lots of religious imagery in this song, and it's the
<v Speaker 4>last single we have for nearly a decade.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a different sound for them. They've got
<v Speaker 2>the drop D tuning and they've got a very bluesy
<v Speaker 2>sound on this one, which I dig a lot. This
<v Speaker 2>was not one of my favorites, but to go back,
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, I kind of I forgot about this one,
<v Speaker 2>but this is a good memory once I listened to
<v Speaker 2>it over again.
<v Speaker 4>Once Creed breaks up in two thousand and four, the
<v Speaker 4>rest of the guys from Creed minus Scott's stabb create
<v Speaker 4>another band called alter Bridge.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So two thousand and two up to two thousand
<v Speaker 2>and four, as we've said, Scott is abusing these pain
<v Speaker 2>meds that he's on and it's causing a lot of
<v Speaker 2>trouble with the aband's ability to perform well. As a
<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, in two thousand and two, it really
<v Speaker 2>comes to a head in Chicago. They put on a
<v Speaker 2>show and Scott, according to the fans, is so out
<v Speaker 2>of his mind on these drugs that he would is
<v Speaker 2>just laying on the floor rolling around. Just the most
<v Speaker 2>dismal show you could expect this band to perform. And
<v Speaker 2>the band even like comes out with a public statement
<v Speaker 2>a little while after the show that we're like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>we realized this was a little different show than you
<v Speaker 2>might expect to hear from us. But you know, congratulations,
<v Speaker 2>maybe it'll be a historical event. Well, yes it was,
<v Speaker 2>because the fans then formed a class action and sued
<v Speaker 2>the band and ticket master and the venue for giving
<v Speaker 2>them a crappy show, Like, we paid a lot of
<v Speaker 2>money for these tickets and this is what we had
<v Speaker 2>to watch. Which when I heard that, I was like,
<v Speaker 2>what the heck? And then I heard the judge judge's
<v Speaker 2>ruling when he dismissed the case, which was, you're not
<v Speaker 2>guaranteed a good show when you buy a ticket. That
<v Speaker 2>was what I thought. I'm like, yeah, that's right, that's reasonably.
<v Speaker 5>You get what we give you.
<v Speaker 2>You buy a ticket. It's just like any other ticket.
<v Speaker 2>I mean the movie. You might have bought a ticket
<v Speaker 2>to show Girls, you might have bought a ticket to
<v Speaker 2>Jaws three D. You might have bought a ticket to
<v Speaker 2>The Last Action Hero. But guess what, you don't get
<v Speaker 2>your freaking money back. That's it, that's right, Yeah, you
<v Speaker 2>don't have a guarantee of a good show. But again,
<v Speaker 2>this is we see the Downlroad Spiral, and like you said,
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four, the band quote unquote breaks up
<v Speaker 2>but goes on a hiatus. The only member of the
<v Speaker 2>band to not be in the next band is Scott
<v Speaker 2>Staff and that says something. So they have altered bridge.
<v Speaker 2>He starts doing some solo projects where he sounds exactly
<v Speaker 2>like Creed sounded before, which you would expect. He ends
<v Speaker 2>up on this show on Spike, the channel Spike. You
<v Speaker 2>remember that chat I do. Yeah, it is a casino
<v Speaker 2>cinema or something like that, and he trashes his bandmates.
<v Speaker 2>He trashes Dave Roll, Dave Groll's penis I believe to
<v Speaker 2>be specific little Dave. He makes some kind of inappropriate comments.
<v Speaker 2>And as to Howard Stern's wife, I watched this. It
<v Speaker 2>was horrifying.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's trying to kiss her and he is so
<v Speaker 4>clearly out of it, like it's humiliating.
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's acting like what I mean, he's acting like
<v Speaker 2>a thirteen year old teenager needs to be smacked. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>go read the Bible. Howard Sertain needs to punch his
<v Speaker 2>lights up. Go copy Proverbs. Then two thousand and five,
<v Speaker 2>he's at a Baltimore hotel, sees the drummer for three
<v Speaker 2>eleven Chad Sexton, and Sucker punches him. What right did
<v Speaker 2>he think he was limbiscuit? What happened? I don't understand that.
<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and six, he gets remarried and he gets
<v Speaker 2>arrested while trying to board the plane to his honeymoon
<v Speaker 2>because he's creating a huge scene. And then also in
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, the infamous kid Rock tape comes
<v Speaker 2>to light. Then I guess he must have really kind
<v Speaker 2>of gotten his stuff together. He realized that like what
<v Speaker 2>he was doing, because keep in mind, his son is
<v Speaker 2>now almost hitting teenage years at this point, and so
<v Speaker 2>he knows what's going on with all of this craziness,
<v Speaker 2>and so he's like, I feel bad about what I'm
<v Speaker 2>doing my son. His wife had filed for divorce, and
<v Speaker 2>two years later it must have been effective because he
<v Speaker 2>gets back together with Creed and they release full circle.
<v Speaker 2>They do. You would think that he's gotten his crap
<v Speaker 2>together well temporarily, As we said, he seems to be
<v Speaker 2>a roller coaster of stuff. Well, can I pile on
<v Speaker 2>for a second? Go ahead?
<v Speaker 4>So, thankfully, in twenty fourteen, he gets diagnosed by a
<v Speaker 4>doctor atter rehab clinic of having bipolar disorder.
<v Speaker 2>You ready for this? I got details from yeah? Okay.
<v Speaker 4>So he makes all these really weird videos and posts
<v Speaker 4>them to the Internet, things like the irs is frozen
<v Speaker 4>my account, and I'm penniless, and I'm living in a
<v Speaker 4>holiday inn and I'm homeless, and there's angels living on
<v Speaker 4>the hood of my car. He also calls the White
<v Speaker 4>House because he believes that President Barack Obama has been
<v Speaker 4>kidnapped and that he was hired by the CIA to
<v Speaker 4>either rescue him or kill him. We're not sure which,
<v Speaker 4>and these, I mean, these are all crazy thoughts in
<v Speaker 4>his head.
<v Speaker 2>He puts together a crowdfunding campaign because he's homeless and
<v Speaker 2>broke where he's he wants to build his new album
<v Speaker 2>and write a book, and so he asked for four
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty thousand dollars. If you guys will send
<v Speaker 2>me four hundred and eighty thousand dollars, I will put
<v Speaker 2>together a kick ass album and a fantastic book for you,
<v Speaker 2>I promise. Okay. Yeah, he said he thinks the CIA
<v Speaker 2>is conducting mind control experiments on him. He believes his
<v Speaker 2>family is the center of isis isis Yeah, he sends
<v Speaker 2>his wife texts where he says he could talk to
<v Speaker 2>God and that God was warning him about the DAA
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, and also that Alcoholics Anonymous is a
<v Speaker 2>CI operation and that they have biological weapons being deployed
<v Speaker 2>in Florida. She promptly files for divorce. Yeah reasonably so yes,
<v Speaker 2>But ultimately they don't go through the divorce and they reconcile.
<v Speaker 4>He meets a doctor who diagnoses him with bipolar disorder.
<v Speaker 4>They get him hooked up on the right medication. I
<v Speaker 4>saw him on Doctor OZ with his wife and this
<v Speaker 4>doctor basically saying, look, I got everything under control.
<v Speaker 2>So by twenty seventeen he was of sound enough mind
<v Speaker 2>that the guys from the band Aret of Anarchy, who
<v Speaker 2>had just lost their lead singer, Scott Wiland from his
<v Speaker 2>drug overdose, they want Scott Stapp to come and be
<v Speaker 2>their lead singer in his place, and so he hooks
<v Speaker 2>up with them, and then they sue him because he
<v Speaker 2>refuses to help promote the album, refuses to shoot promo videos,
<v Speaker 2>refuses to tour with the band, which is I mean,
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't sound good. But they had also sued Scott
<v Speaker 2>Wiland for the same things. But here's the rest of
<v Speaker 2>the story on that. So Scott's band, his solo project band,
<v Speaker 2>rents some buses for their tour, and one of the
<v Speaker 2>buses that they rent is the bus that Scott Weiland
<v Speaker 2>overdosed in. Oh my gosh. Scott's staff to this day
<v Speaker 2>believes that he had a conversation with Scott Wiland's ghost
<v Speaker 2>inside of that bus. And what did he say. He
<v Speaker 2>didn't see him, He just heard his voice. But basically
<v Speaker 2>it was just a you could do this, you can
<v Speaker 2>make it. You're gonna be all right, don't do what
<v Speaker 2>I did. Okay, last story, last story. This is the
<v Speaker 2>last douchebag Scott story that I'm gonna tell. Okay, I promise.
<v Speaker 2>So he, even though he's married, starts communicating with the
<v Speaker 2>girl online. Oh yeah, and she convinces him to come
<v Speaker 2>meet her at a Denny's so that they can have sex.
<v Speaker 2>He drives two hours to get laid. He goes into
<v Speaker 2>the Denny's and yeah, you're kind of discounting the moons
<v Speaker 2>over MIHAMI dish well there is that. He walks into
<v Speaker 2>the Dennis only to have the entire restaurant turn and
<v Speaker 2>look at him and go creed socks. Oh gosh, No, sex. No,
<v Speaker 2>moon's over my Hammi. He goes home empty, stomached and
<v Speaker 2>sad and lonely. All right, So let's get down to it. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>Is Creed worth the hate? The short answer to the
<v Speaker 2>question is no, simple no. Scott's staff has obviously had
<v Speaker 2>a lot of crappy things. Yeah, he's made a lot
<v Speaker 2>of very bad decisions. He's disappointed a lot of people.
<v Speaker 2>And I know that what you're gonna say is, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but look at every other rock and roll artist that's
<v Speaker 2>out there. They all have these debauchery lives. You know.
<v Speaker 2>The Eagles would towards their hotel rooms, Motley Cruze would
<v Speaker 2>die from drug overdoses and kill drummers of great bands
<v Speaker 2>in their drunk driving escapades. Yes, but none of those
<v Speaker 2>guys were referring to Jesus and the Cross and God
<v Speaker 2>on a routine basis in their songs. And so the
<v Speaker 2>dichotomy there is what allows people to jump on the
<v Speaker 2>let's hate on Scott's stap bandwagon, which I don't want
<v Speaker 2>to jump on that bandwagon. I haven't made as many
<v Speaker 2>bad decisions as he's made, or as big in public anyway,
<v Speaker 2>but I certainly have made a lot I'm far from perfect.
<v Speaker 2>I hope I'm not as big of a douche as
<v Speaker 2>he comes off to be. I can understand why, especially
<v Speaker 2>Amandaganic will immediately jump on the Scott Stap. Don't make
<v Speaker 2>me listen to anything that he says or sings. I
<v Speaker 2>can understand how he can be a very disappointing guy.
<v Speaker 2>But when we go back and we just listened to
<v Speaker 2>we didn't even listen to all of their charting songs.
<v Speaker 2>We listened to the best of the best, and they
<v Speaker 2>are all amazing songs. There was not a disappointing song
<v Speaker 2>in the bunch. And I go back to what I
<v Speaker 2>said before. There was this movement by Rolling Stone and
<v Speaker 2>other media in the entertainment world to kill rock and roll.
<v Speaker 2>They wanted rock and roll dead, and because of their position,
<v Speaker 2>they likely killed it. And because of that, I hate
<v Speaker 2>them far more. And I would give anything to have
<v Speaker 2>a band like Creed putting out new music right now
<v Speaker 2>that was so appealing, that was so good. I would
<v Speaker 2>love to have that instead of what we get from
<v Speaker 2>I forgot to tell I was about to say, TI,
<v Speaker 2>do you know this? No, Yeah, So Scott's Stap either
<v Speaker 2>jumped or fell off of a hotel balcony and was
<v Speaker 2>saved by the rapper Ti, who had no idea who
<v Speaker 2>he was. He just happened to be the guy that
<v Speaker 2>was on the ground whenever Scott hit fell forty feet yeah,
<v Speaker 2>like he would have been dead except for the rapper Ti.
<v Speaker 2>So Ti, thank you for saving Scott's stap. But back
<v Speaker 2>to my point, I would so much rather have a
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll band like Creed putting out music today
<v Speaker 2>than what we have now. So not worth the hate.
<v Speaker 4>But I understand your answer makes me want to stand
<v Speaker 4>up and chair good because pretty much agree with you.
<v Speaker 4>Their music is phenomenal, and most of that is due,
<v Speaker 4>in fact, to Scott's amazing ability as a frontman and
<v Speaker 4>a lyricist. You combine that with Mark Tremonte's incredible guitar work,
<v Speaker 4>and you've got this combustible mixture of killer, meaningful rock.
<v Speaker 4>And I love the songs. They give me goosebumps, they
<v Speaker 4>make me want to cry, they give me all the emotions.
<v Speaker 2>Scott's made a lot of mistakes.
<v Speaker 4>He's disappointed a lot of people, including his fans and family,
<v Speaker 4>so I get why people are kind of down on him. However,
<v Speaker 4>as a person of faith, I believe in redemption, and
<v Speaker 4>I think you.
<v Speaker 2>Can turn your life around.
<v Speaker 4>His story's not done, and I'm excited to see is
<v Speaker 4>going to happen, including maybe November two when we go
<v Speaker 4>see them in Oklahoma City.
<v Speaker 2>I love to do that.
<v Speaker 4>So no on Nickelback, No on Creed. Neither one are
<v Speaker 4>worth the hate. But I want to ask you final judgment.
<v Speaker 4>You're walking out the door, which catalog are you grabbing
<v Speaker 4>on the way.
<v Speaker 2>Out the door? It depends on where I'm going. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>If I'm going to have a long drive ahead of
<v Speaker 2>me and I'm feeling in a contemplative mood and i
<v Speaker 2>need a little cry, I'm picking Creed. Okay. If I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to the gym and i need a song to
<v Speaker 2>kick my ass, I'm picking Nickelback. Really yeah, and full catalog.
<v Speaker 2>If I had to pick, if I can't say, it
<v Speaker 2>depends full catalog. I got to tip the hat to Nickelback.
<v Speaker 2>They overcame because, like I said, I didn't own Nickelback albums.
<v Speaker 2>I did own the Creed albums, But upon the review,
<v Speaker 2>Nickelback wins the day for me overall. Okay, I'm anxious
<v Speaker 2>to hear your review because you were a big Creed fan,
<v Speaker 2>and you had virtually no experience at all with Nickelback.
<v Speaker 4>I was familiar with their hits, but not their deep catalog.
<v Speaker 2>I tend to like songs that make me feel good.
<v Speaker 2>I like party rock.
<v Speaker 4>I like party rock more than sad rock. I think
<v Speaker 4>Creed's peaks are higher.
<v Speaker 2>Forgive the pun. I mean, I really do think they're higher.
<v Speaker 4>I think Nickelback's catalog is deeper. And I'm shocking even myself.
<v Speaker 4>But if I'm walking out the door and I can
<v Speaker 4>only grab one catalog for a road trip, I'm rolling
<v Speaker 4>down the windows, turning up and thumping Nickelback the whole way.
<v Speaker 2>But I still love Creed. I can't help it. I
<v Speaker 2>love them both, So nan is the decision they're not
<v Speaker 2>worth the hate more understandable for the hate on Creed, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I still can't figure out on Nickelback what.
<v Speaker 2>I don't get that hate at all. But we uh
<v Speaker 2>both Pick and Nickelback for the deep cut as well.
<v Speaker 4>We want to hear from you, guys. What catalog are
<v Speaker 4>you grabbing on your way out the door? Is it Nickelback,
<v Speaker 4>is it Creed?
<v Speaker 2>Is it neither? Is it both? Tell us what you
<v Speaker 2>think do what we got coming next week. Man. We're
<v Speaker 2>doing a very unique thing because obviously we're at the
<v Speaker 2>thirtieth anniversary of the movie Pulp Fiction, but we're not
<v Speaker 2>covering Pulp Fiction. We discussed it, but we decided not
<v Speaker 2>to r We are instead covering two of Tarantino's scripts
<v Speaker 2>that were directed by other people, one of them being
<v Speaker 2>True Romance, which was directed by our hero Tony Scott,
<v Speaker 2>and the other directed by Oliver Stone called Natural Born Killers.
<v Speaker 2>We have to discussed Oliver Stone before. This will be
<v Speaker 2>an interesting one to get into. But these two movies
<v Speaker 2>are connected, even by Tarantino standards, more than any two
<v Speaker 2>movies I've ever heard, and you will get the full
<v Speaker 2>story on that when you come back for that episode.
<v Speaker 2>We will not be done with Tarantino before the year
<v Speaker 2>is up after those two episodes as well. We'll see
<v Speaker 2>you back here next week. Thanks guys,