Metallica: Beginnings of Black (1991)

<v Speaker 1>Give me fuel, give me five, give me that's out
<v Speaker 1>of that.
<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast. That
<v Speaker 2>is such an awesome song. It's not what we're here
<v Speaker 2>to talk about today. Sorry, we are here today to
<v Speaker 2>talk about Metallica. Metallica. Welcome back, Jason. How you doing
<v Speaker 2>manut I'm good man. It's been a long time. You
<v Speaker 2>and I have been gone for a couple of weeks. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we happened to run into each other running of all places,
<v Speaker 2>and so that was nice. That was a revisit of
<v Speaker 2>the spawning of our podcast. Those runs we used to
<v Speaker 2>do together all the time.
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy were I just started for a little run
<v Speaker 3>and then you dragged me on a bigger run.
<v Speaker 2>That's funny how that always works up. Well, I'm prepping
<v Speaker 2>for marathon, man, I know, I know. Good for you.
<v Speaker 3>We are back after two weeks off. We have reissued
<v Speaker 3>some podcasts. We did Nirvana's Nevermind. We did pro Jams ten,
<v Speaker 3>which we did about a year ago to sort of
<v Speaker 3>kick off this Fall of ninety one thing that we're.
<v Speaker 2>Doing right now. Yeah, the day that we're recording two
<v Speaker 2>day is the thirtieth anniversary of Pearl Jams. Ten album
<v Speaker 2>being released. I know, it's crazy. Thirty years thirty years,
<v Speaker 2>So thirty years for all of these albums. You got
<v Speaker 2>thirty years for Ozzy Osbourne No More Tearss, You've got
<v Speaker 2>thirty years for Metallica Black You've got thirty years for
<v Speaker 2>Use Your Illusion one and two, which we're going to
<v Speaker 2>compare it to this album. I mean, all of these
<v Speaker 2>things are hitting their three decade mark and they're still amazing.
<v Speaker 3>There was a lot happening the fall of ninety one.
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be super fun and super cool to
<v Speaker 3>get into it. We were watching some of these videos
<v Speaker 3>with the Metallica Black stuff, and I was going through it,
<v Speaker 3>and that album is so timeless. It seems so recent
<v Speaker 3>in my memory. When they're looking at like the Persian
<v Speaker 3>Gulf War who while they're recording, I'm like, wow, that
<v Speaker 3>kind of dates it for me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, so you ready, I'm ready,
<v Speaker 2>let's do this. Okay, we're going to discuss the history
<v Speaker 2>of the band, and then we're going to get into Metallica. Metallica,
<v Speaker 2>the album that brought Metallica into the mainstream, cost a
<v Speaker 2>million dollars to make, was remixed three times and ended
<v Speaker 2>three marriage pretty big.
<v Speaker 3>The band it's pretty big. This is otherwise known as
<v Speaker 3>the Blackout.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So, beginning the history of Metallica, you have two
<v Speaker 2>major players in the band. You have mister James Headfield
<v Speaker 2>and you have mister Lars Ulrich. There are other members
<v Speaker 2>of the band that come and go along the way,
<v Speaker 2>but these guys are the ones that originated the band,
<v Speaker 2>and they're the ones that have been the driving force
<v Speaker 2>behind their songwriting and their rise and stay in fame. Yes.
<v Speaker 2>So James was raised in California. His dad left when
<v Speaker 2>he was thirteen years old. His mom died when he
<v Speaker 2>was sixteen years old, which left him living with his brother.
<v Speaker 2>He got into music. That was kind of a way
<v Speaker 2>to relieve the pain from the fact that he now
<v Speaker 2>was parentless. He was pretty quiet in high school, kept
<v Speaker 2>to himself, and he had a couple of bands that
<v Speaker 2>he started. One was called Phantom Lord okay Yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>then that one eventually disbanded and then led into another
<v Speaker 2>one called Leather Charm, and that band did the new
<v Speaker 2>wave of British heavy metal sound. They were covering bands,
<v Speaker 2>which is interesting to think about because you think about
<v Speaker 2>Metallica and you think about def Leppard and how their
<v Speaker 2>world's apart. But in eighty one they were doing the
<v Speaker 2>same thing.
<v Speaker 3>The branches of the tree were a little closer together
<v Speaker 3>in the early.
<v Speaker 2>Eighties exactly exactly, Okay. So eventually that band disbanded and
<v Speaker 2>James began looking for another band to put together. Well,
<v Speaker 2>right about this time, a guy named Lars Ulrich, who
<v Speaker 2>was a tennis prodigy from Denmark, had also moved out
<v Speaker 2>to California. As it turned out, even though he was
<v Speaker 2>like one of the top ten players in Denmark, he
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even like the top five on his street once
<v Speaker 2>he got to the US. Right before we get going,
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<v Speaker 3>I heard him say that that was really funny, I thought,
<v Speaker 3>and so.
<v Speaker 2>He and when he realized that his dentist dreams were
<v Speaker 2>probably not going to come to fruition, he got obsessed
<v Speaker 2>with the local heavy metal scene that was going on
<v Speaker 2>there in California, and so he started putting out ads
<v Speaker 2>in the recycler to try to put a band together.
<v Speaker 2>And as it turned out, a couple of guys that
<v Speaker 2>had heard about the ads were these guys named Hugh
<v Speaker 2>Tanner and James Hetfield, and so they met up and
<v Speaker 2>James and Lars immediately hit it off. They both had
<v Speaker 2>interest in the same types of music. That is how
<v Speaker 2>the seed is planted.
<v Speaker 3>That's Ales born October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty one.
<v Speaker 2>So when they first start playing together, James is pretty
<v Speaker 2>good at the guitar. He's not fantastic, but he's pretty good.
<v Speaker 2>He described Lars as pretty bad, okay, pretty not good,
<v Speaker 2>pretty not very good. But what had Lars had going
<v Speaker 2>from him was he knew this guy named Brian Slagel
<v Speaker 2>of metal Blade Records, and he was going to put
<v Speaker 2>together this compilation album of metal music called Metal Massacre. Right,
<v Speaker 2>that's right, And so Lars not even having a band,
<v Speaker 2>just because he knew the guy, said hey, I want
<v Speaker 2>to put a track on this album, and Brian was like, okay, sure, well,
<v Speaker 2>I just I need more people. Let's make that happen.
<v Speaker 4>Right.
<v Speaker 3>That song that they gave to that metal compilation was
<v Speaker 3>Hit the Lights.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So they had a song, but they didn't have
<v Speaker 2>a name yet. Do you know this? Okay, this is
<v Speaker 2>a really cool story. This is kind of crazy. So
<v Speaker 2>they they didn't know what their name was going to
<v Speaker 2>be yet, and they had this Lars had this other
<v Speaker 2>friend named ron Quintana, right, say what you will, man,
<v Speaker 2>that guy can roll. Sorry different anyway, ron Quintana was
<v Speaker 2>going to make a metal magazine, right, his his dream
<v Speaker 2>was to have this magazine. So he's tossing around ideas
<v Speaker 2>for names with Lars and he's like, I'm thinking either
<v Speaker 2>metal Mania or Metallica, and Lar's ears perk up and
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I really like that metal Mania name. You
<v Speaker 2>should go with that, and so he did, and Lars
<v Speaker 2>stole the name Metallica for the name of the band.
<v Speaker 3>That's hilarious, What a great story that is.
<v Speaker 2>They also when they would hand out their stuff, they
<v Speaker 2>would call it power metal. This was before the term
<v Speaker 2>thrash metal, right right play, and so they called it
<v Speaker 2>power metal. Well, power metal was also something that he
<v Speaker 2>had stolen from Ron Quintana. It was on his business card.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, power metal, I like that. I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>steal that one too. So that's how they got power metal,
<v Speaker 2>and that's how they got their name.
<v Speaker 3>Did you know where the term thrash metal actually comes from?
<v Speaker 2>No? Tell me? Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So there's this Anthrax song called metal Thrashing mad.
<v Speaker 2>Yeap that Krang Magazine.
<v Speaker 3>Just thought that sna cool and they just said they
<v Speaker 3>just grabbed that and said thrash metal.
<v Speaker 2>And there's really I mean, there's no question about what
<v Speaker 2>the sound of thrash metal is versus other types of
<v Speaker 2>heavy metal, right right, And Metallica becomes one of the
<v Speaker 2>big four. You've got Megadeth, you take them all the manner,
<v Speaker 2>You've got Anthrax, you've got Metallica, and you've got Slayer.
<v Speaker 4>Huh.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, it was the gym like two days ago.
<v Speaker 2>And have you ever been there with the guy's like
<v Speaker 2>lifting the weight really high and stomp at his feet
<v Speaker 2>and then just throws it down and it's like this,
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, God, why do you do this? And I
<v Speaker 2>looked over it. He's got this huge Slayer tattoo on
<v Speaker 2>his calf muscle, and I'm like, this guy's a true fan.
<v Speaker 2>This guy's a hardcore fan that he's gonna tattoo Slayer
<v Speaker 2>on his calf.
<v Speaker 3>That guy is really mad and loves the Satan. Don't
<v Speaker 3>mess with him. Okay, before we go any further, d
<v Speaker 3>is thrash metal your thing? Are you like a thrash
<v Speaker 3>metal guy or what?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we are ultimately going to get into the
<v Speaker 2>fact that this album different than the albums of the
<v Speaker 2>priest right of Metallica. The answer is simply no, I'm
<v Speaker 2>not a thrash meadow guy. I never got into it,
<v Speaker 2>and I still I am not into it that much.
<v Speaker 2>I can like, if you get thrash with some melody
<v Speaker 2>in it, like we get on the Black album, right
<v Speaker 2>and a little bit on Injustice for All. Yes, I'm
<v Speaker 2>all in. I worked out to it today, love it,
<v Speaker 2>but just this constant just it just sounds the same
<v Speaker 2>to me. Over and over and so no, it's not
<v Speaker 2>my thing.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so we should go ahead and get that out
<v Speaker 3>if you're listening to this. I was talking to our
<v Speaker 3>buddy James Buckley this week and trading text.
<v Speaker 2>With him a little bit.
<v Speaker 3>We are fans of music, but we like def Leppard
<v Speaker 3>and Michael Jackson and bon Jovi, and the Black Album
<v Speaker 3>really resonated with us. But we're not hardcore Metallica people.
<v Speaker 3>But we're in We're in this, We're enjoying it, we're
<v Speaker 3>having fun with it.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you brought up James Buckley because I texted
<v Speaker 2>him too. Hey, let's let's get a hold of the James.
<v Speaker 2>What's going on? And he sent me this article out
<v Speaker 2>of Modern Drummer from way back in the early nineties
<v Speaker 2>where Lars Ulric has the cover and has a big interview,
<v Speaker 2>and it's talking about the difference between what they had
<v Speaker 2>done before the Black Album and what he did with
<v Speaker 2>the Black Album, and it made a lot of sense.
<v Speaker 2>He said, we had gone so far with this progressive metal,
<v Speaker 2>where you've got the syncopated rhythms, you've got the change
<v Speaker 2>in time signature, and it began to really center around
<v Speaker 2>the drums, but he said, you know, he took it
<v Speaker 2>this far, but when he's in concert, he just felt
<v Speaker 2>himself being all in his head. He's like, Okay, I
<v Speaker 2>got this time change coming up here, and I've got
<v Speaker 2>this other thing that I'd be worried about here, and
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't live and experience it because he was so
<v Speaker 2>much in his head. Now, they had some songs that
<v Speaker 2>weren't so technically difficult on the drums, and he found
<v Speaker 2>himself able to relax and kind of live in the music.
<v Speaker 2>And so he thought, well, we're either going to take
<v Speaker 2>it further down the progressive road, which I don't think
<v Speaker 2>I want to do, or we're going to go back
<v Speaker 2>to basics and we're going to have something that has
<v Speaker 2>soul and has more. I mean, it's simpler, but it's
<v Speaker 2>something that you can put your soul in too.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we'll talk about that as we go through
<v Speaker 3>track by track. It's gonna be awesome. These songs are
<v Speaker 3>different than what they're used to. I asked my friend
<v Speaker 3>James Branscomb, Okay, a different guy, guy I go church with.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, all right, listen, I'm not really fully
<v Speaker 3>understanding the epicness of the early Metallica stuff. He's like, well,
<v Speaker 3>you have to understand that every song is three songs
<v Speaker 3>in one, right. It's super complicated, and it goes and
<v Speaker 3>it weaves and it comes here and does this and
<v Speaker 3>turns around and comes back.
<v Speaker 2>That's not the Black album at all.
<v Speaker 3>No, they get a hook and they pound it to
<v Speaker 3>death and they rode that wave all the way at
<v Speaker 3>the top.
<v Speaker 2>And I'll say this because you and I have talked
<v Speaker 2>about this, and we talked about it when we were
<v Speaker 2>talking about the grunge movement and rock and roll music
<v Speaker 2>being about a revolution. Right. So Metallica made itself a
<v Speaker 2>band without any mainstream help. Like they weren't having singles
<v Speaker 2>played on the radio, they weren't on MTV. I mean
<v Speaker 2>the first video they had on MTV was one that's
<v Speaker 2>off their fourth album, It's Crazy, And yeah, they're playing
<v Speaker 2>arenas by this point. So they've made their own name
<v Speaker 2>without all of this help. And part of that is
<v Speaker 2>that they're a revolution. They're a rebellion against the hair
<v Speaker 2>metal bands that were happening at the time. And that's
<v Speaker 2>what their fans loved was, Hey, we love these guys
<v Speaker 2>and we know about them, and other people don't like.
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of it's our secret. And so with the
<v Speaker 2>Black album, when this thing becomes more mainstream, when they
<v Speaker 2>become more mainstream, I can see, I can understand how
<v Speaker 2>those guys were like, I've lost my band. I understand it.
<v Speaker 2>I understand it.
<v Speaker 3>And I was thinking about this because I was talking
<v Speaker 3>again with James Buckley. I'm like, you know what am
<v Speaker 3>I not getting? Because this album is so great?
<v Speaker 2>Why are the.
<v Speaker 3>Hardcore metallic fans rejecting it? And he said, well, it's
<v Speaker 3>kind of like Van Halen's nineteen eighty four. Yeah, their
<v Speaker 3>garage band who had gone on mainstream with these awesome songs,
<v Speaker 3>but they felt a little bit abandoned because now everybody
<v Speaker 3>jumps in it's like, wow, I love Van Haleen, Wow
<v Speaker 3>I love Metallica. And I was thinking to myself, I'm like,
<v Speaker 3>you know what this has happened to me.
<v Speaker 2>Whenever I run into a twenty.
<v Speaker 3>Year old who tells me how great the Last Jedi is,
<v Speaker 3>I want to freaking punch their lights out.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's that's hysterico.
<v Speaker 3>I'm just like, shut the bobs, did you get out
<v Speaker 3>of here? We don't need to talk to you.
<v Speaker 2>At all. Okay, all right, well we've preached on that
<v Speaker 2>soapbox I make a lot. Let's jump back into the history. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So Hit the Lights, the one that ended up on
<v Speaker 2>Metal Massacre. James Hetfield played the bass and they had
<v Speaker 2>this guy named Lloyd Grant play the guitar. And so
<v Speaker 2>this was not the Metallica that we know now. This
<v Speaker 2>was something completely different. So what they needed, because this
<v Speaker 2>guy wasn't here to stay, they needed another lead guitarist.
<v Speaker 2>They put another ad out on the Recycler and one
<v Speaker 2>of the guys that responded to that ad was a
<v Speaker 2>guy named Dave Mustain.
<v Speaker 3>Dave Mustaine, who later creates one of the Big Four
<v Speaker 3>that you mentioned. He's the head guy for Megadeth.
<v Speaker 2>He replied to their ad and they're like, Wow, he's
<v Speaker 2>got some really expensive equipment. Let's get him. Yeah, let's
<v Speaker 2>get him. And as it turns out, he could also
<v Speaker 2>shred on the guitar.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>The problem was he could also shred on the alcohol bottle. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And he even said it himself. He's like, there's two
<v Speaker 2>types of drunks. There's the drunks that get silly and
<v Speaker 2>the drunks that get violent and I'm the one that
<v Speaker 2>gets violent and they're the ones that get silly, and
<v Speaker 2>that's not a good mix. It's not a good mix.
<v Speaker 2>But he's not. It's not been a good relationship. But
<v Speaker 2>before I'm geting ahead of myself, I'm getting out off,
<v Speaker 2>all right. So they get Dave Mustain. They have the
<v Speaker 2>old bassis from Leather Charm named Ron McGovney, but they're
<v Speaker 2>not feeling like he's the right fit for the band.
<v Speaker 2>So with this guy not really cutting it, they're trying
<v Speaker 2>to find another bass player and they end up going
<v Speaker 2>to the Whiskey Goog in West Hollywood and there is
<v Speaker 2>a San fran Francisco band named Trauma playing, And as
<v Speaker 2>they walk in, they see this guy shredding a guitar
<v Speaker 2>solo and they're like, wow, this is the used guitars
<v Speaker 2>alto I've ever heard. And they're like, wait a minute,
<v Speaker 2>that guitar only has four strings. Wait a minute, that's
<v Speaker 2>not a guitar, that's a bass. Holy crap, this guy
<v Speaker 2>is playing a bass solo and he is killing it.
<v Speaker 2>We got to talk to this guy. That guy's name
<v Speaker 2>is Cliff Burton, Yeah, And so they go they talk
<v Speaker 2>to Cliff. They say, hey, we want you in our band.
<v Speaker 2>He liked them. They were already party kids at like
<v Speaker 2>nineteen years old, right, and so he's like, Okay, I'm
<v Speaker 2>interested in being the band, but I'm not moving to LA.
<v Speaker 2>You guys have to come up to the Bay Area.
<v Speaker 2>And they said, we hate LA. That sounds great. So
<v Speaker 2>that's so interesting.
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about that for a second ahead. So in
<v Speaker 3>LA you've got the upcoming glam scene. I mean you've
<v Speaker 3>got You've got Motley Crewe. Of course, that gives birth
<v Speaker 3>the Poisons and the Guns N' Roses and Doc the
<v Speaker 3>World right, Great White. All these bands are birthed out
<v Speaker 3>of the LA scene. But Metallica just didn't really fit
<v Speaker 3>that mold.
<v Speaker 2>These were guys instead of being in black leather and spandex,
<v Speaker 2>Metallica's wearing their T shirts and jeans. They still had
<v Speaker 2>the long hair, but there was no hairspray. They had
<v Speaker 2>facial hair, they didn't have makeup. This is the revolution
<v Speaker 2>that I.
<v Speaker 4>Was talking about.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I'm not dressing up and having fake blood
<v Speaker 3>and doing weird things with you know, whips, and.
<v Speaker 2>What's weird is more girls would go to the concerts
<v Speaker 2>where the guys look like girls. Than the guys look
<v Speaker 2>like guys Metallica. I mean, I love them, but they're
<v Speaker 2>not handsome men.
<v Speaker 3>They're not good looking guys. That's right, that's okay, that's okay.
<v Speaker 2>So one of the guys that comes across it is
<v Speaker 2>this guy named Jonathan Suzzula, but we knew him better
<v Speaker 2>as Johnny zy Z, and Johnny Z says, guys, I
<v Speaker 2>love what you're doing. I am going to go to
<v Speaker 2>New York City for you and I'm going to broker
<v Speaker 2>a deal with you and one of the record companies.
<v Speaker 2>They're like, great, that sounds great. So he goes out
<v Speaker 2>there and gets turned down flat by every record company
<v Speaker 2>New York City. So what he does and stead is
<v Speaker 2>he finances it himself. Says, I'm gonna spend fifteen thousand dollars.
<v Speaker 2>You guys are going to come out here. I'm going
<v Speaker 2>to have my own record label, and we're going to
<v Speaker 2>record a record on that record label called Mega Force Records,
<v Speaker 2>Mega Force, Mega Force. I don't think it has anything
<v Speaker 2>to do with Lee Marvin or.
<v Speaker 3>One of the great movies in nineteen eighty two. So
<v Speaker 3>when they moved to New York, they moved into a
<v Speaker 3>luxurious condo that they said today would be called a
<v Speaker 3>crack house, and they slipt on floors like on U
<v Speaker 3>haul blankets and stuff like that, and they said, if
<v Speaker 3>it was a great day, you had McDonald's most of
<v Speaker 3>the time, they said, maloney on hand.
<v Speaker 2>They called it loser's lunch, right right lunch because you
<v Speaker 2>can't afford sixty nine cents for bread. You don't have
<v Speaker 2>three quota. So the album that they're planning to record
<v Speaker 2>is going to be called Metal Up Your Ass, right,
<v Speaker 2>And the first thing that they tell Johnny Z when
<v Speaker 2>they get there is, hey, thank you for the all
<v Speaker 2>expense paid bus ride over here. By the way, We're
<v Speaker 2>going to fire our guitar player. Yeah, like tomorrow, And
<v Speaker 2>he's like, what the heck? So I'm not really sure.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how that in that day and age
<v Speaker 2>in the early eighties, the information traveled and was able
<v Speaker 2>to happen so quickly. But basically they were done with
<v Speaker 2>Dave mustain right, So they wait, you know, let him
<v Speaker 2>get drunk and pass out. They go and buy him
<v Speaker 2>a bus ticket home and then shake him awake and like, hey, dude,
<v Speaker 2>you got to leave. Your bus is leaving in like
<v Speaker 2>ten minutes He's like, what you like, you're not in
<v Speaker 2>the band anymore. Here's your ticket, get out the door,
<v Speaker 2>and like, no second chance, no conversation, get out, and
<v Speaker 2>that's he leaves. And at seven pm that night, Kurt
<v Speaker 2>Hammett rips, it's incredible, it's crazy, he says. He gets
<v Speaker 2>there at seven of the evening and these guys are
<v Speaker 2>just waking back up. He's like, these are my guys,
<v Speaker 2>these are my guys. So Kurk Hammett was with a
<v Speaker 2>band called Exodus, and he could shred. He could shred
<v Speaker 2>at the time, he can still shred today, phenomenal guitar player.
<v Speaker 2>And basically he just kept on going with him through
<v Speaker 2>the recording. They would play live shows together. He then
<v Speaker 2>became the guy that would break up the fistfights that
<v Speaker 2>would happen between Lars and James, which instead of happened
<v Speaker 2>quite a bit, it'd be like somebody threw a punch
<v Speaker 2>and somebody's tackling somebody else, and I was the guy
<v Speaker 2>that was tasked with stopping all of that. Mustaane goes
<v Speaker 2>home bitter and jaded. He still like calls ham At
<v Speaker 2>a rip off.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's really mad at him. He feels like he
<v Speaker 3>stole his job. I mean, well, still his job. That
<v Speaker 3>guy has my job and his lips too.
<v Speaker 2>I mean yeah. He thinks that he took songs that
<v Speaker 2>you know, guitar leads that he had done for songs
<v Speaker 2>that they had recorded demos for and just stole them.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. One of the metal magazines named Kirk Hammett Guitar
<v Speaker 3>Player of the Year. Yeah, and Davis says, like he's
<v Speaker 3>playing myself right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It was interviewing with that magazine and he's like,
<v Speaker 2>and you guys made him Uitar Player of the year.
<v Speaker 3>Now here's the thing. We'll get into this later. But
<v Speaker 3>Dave Mustain can't say the word Metallica. He can't look
<v Speaker 3>at these guys. It's certainly not friends with them. He
<v Speaker 3>can't even listen to their music and tell the Black
<v Speaker 3>Album and he's got something very interesting to say about
<v Speaker 3>one of the songs on the Black Album.
<v Speaker 2>Can't wait to hear that, okay, little teaser? Yeah, stick
<v Speaker 2>around all right. So they record their first album. It's
<v Speaker 2>got a picture of a hand with a dagger coming
<v Speaker 2>out of a toilet and it's called Metal Up Your Ass.
<v Speaker 2>And the record company says, could we do something else?
<v Speaker 2>I can't really sell that at Walmart guys. Once again,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, why don't you just ask us to put
<v Speaker 2>a naked baby on the front of the album chasing
<v Speaker 2>a dollar bill on a hook? Hey, exactly. So they
<v Speaker 2>changed the name to Kill Them All, Kill Them All,
<v Speaker 2>Kill Them All, released July twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three.
<v Speaker 2>Not a big commercial success initially, of course, right. It
<v Speaker 2>has definitely sold a lot since then, right, Yeah, But
<v Speaker 2>at the time it led to them becoming a big
<v Speaker 2>fan based, underground metal powerhouse. Sure, they start touring after
<v Speaker 2>that one, they eventually record the next one. And I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna run through these because my hope is that someday
<v Speaker 2>we will dive into the thrash metal portion of metallogys life.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'd love to get into some of these, like
<v Speaker 3>Ride the Lightning and Master Puppets.
<v Speaker 2>Master Puppets is an amazing album, and I think that
<v Speaker 2>we need I mean I think that and Justice for
<v Speaker 2>All is a transition album and we can talk about that,
<v Speaker 2>but we can't. We don't have enough time to do that, right,
<v Speaker 2>We're going to just roll through these, roll through these all, right.
<v Speaker 2>So number two is Ride the Lightning came out in
<v Speaker 2>August of.
<v Speaker 5>Eighty four, We're getting you know got July eighty three,
<v Speaker 5>August of eighty four.
<v Speaker 2>That one actually hit number one hundred on the top
<v Speaker 2>two hundred albums that year.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, summer of eighty four, go back and listen. There
<v Speaker 3>are Bruce Springsteen and Huey Lewis episodes. It's funny to
<v Speaker 3>think that during that poppy summer of Thriller and Madonna
<v Speaker 3>and Bruce Springsteen you had Metallica's Ride the Lightning come up,
<v Speaker 3>which shows that their fan base has to be huge,
<v Speaker 3>right if there's again, there's no singles out there, not
<v Speaker 3>on MTV, they're not any of that stuff.
<v Speaker 2>But they're still hitting number one hundred. That's impressive. So
<v Speaker 2>here's an interesting thing on Ride the Lightning. Not many
<v Speaker 2>deep cuts in this, but here's one. Okay in France
<v Speaker 2>that accidentally printed it green means have their collector's items. Now,
<v Speaker 2>oh that is so cool. So if you are, if
<v Speaker 2>you're a fan and you have one of the green
<v Speaker 2>printed France Ride the Lightning albums, please send us a picture.
<v Speaker 2>We will post it on age. That would be awesome,
<v Speaker 2>It would be sweet.
<v Speaker 3>It's called Ride Ze Lightning, not Germany.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.
<v Speaker 4>Doctor.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. After Ride the Lightning That was August of eighty four,
<v Speaker 2>after its release. The next month, September of eighty four,
<v Speaker 2>these guys named Michael Alago and Cliff Bernstein go to
<v Speaker 2>a concert and they see them and they say, we
<v Speaker 2>want to sign you to Electra Records. Yeah, and we
<v Speaker 2>also want to sign you to our management company called
<v Speaker 2>Q Prime, And so they that becomes the new record
<v Speaker 2>company and new management of Metallica. So they start touring Europe.
<v Speaker 2>They're playing to bigger and bigger houses, about thirteen hundred
<v Speaker 2>people per show, which I mean, that's if you've ever
<v Speaker 2>played a concert at all, a few hundred people's a
<v Speaker 2>lot over one thousand people's. That's in a shocking change.
<v Speaker 3>Thirteen hundred wetty metal head stompers.
<v Speaker 2>Ugly guys, ugly guy, and about five girls, That's right.
<v Speaker 2>So they go back to the US. They start touring,
<v Speaker 2>co headlining with a band that we mentioned on our
<v Speaker 2>Terminator episode. You know this, Dons and Roses is the
<v Speaker 2>only one I can think of. Wasp. Wasp Okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because remember Mikie Lewis was supposed to be the one
<v Speaker 2>thousand Yes, So at that time they were touring with Wasp,
<v Speaker 2>and then something very special happens the Monsters of Rock
<v Speaker 2>Festival in England. This happens in August of eighty five,
<v Speaker 2>and instead of playing thirteen hundred people, they're playing to
<v Speaker 2>seventy thousand people. Seventy thousand, seventy thousand people. And then
<v Speaker 2>not too long on for that, they do the day
<v Speaker 2>on the Green Festival and they played a sixty thousand people,
<v Speaker 2>So suddenly they've been exposed to a whole lot more folks.
<v Speaker 2>So then they record album number three, Master of Puppets,
<v Speaker 2>which a lot of folks consider like like a perfect
<v Speaker 2>album album, right, Yeah, the best album that came out
<v Speaker 2>in March of nineteen eighty six. It reached number twenty
<v Speaker 2>nine on the album two hundred Albums chart on Billboard,
<v Speaker 2>spent seventy two weeks on that chart. They only had
<v Speaker 2>one single come off of that album, Master of Puppets,
<v Speaker 2>But that's what led to the Ozzy Osbourne tour.
<v Speaker 3>That's interesting because at this point in my life I
<v Speaker 3>started seeing guys in my school wearing Metallica T shirt.
<v Speaker 3>Now these are still the guys that you know go
<v Speaker 3>across the street at lunchtime to smoke you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, yeah, right, and the kind of the rougher edged people.
<v Speaker 2>But it's slowly.
<v Speaker 3>Moving into people becoming familiar with them.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And it moves from people being familiar with
<v Speaker 2>them to their playing the Colisseum opening for Ozzy Osbourne
<v Speaker 2>and people won't stop chanting their name, like they can't
<v Speaker 2>get off the stage because the entire coliseums and we're like, wait,
<v Speaker 2>isn't this the Ozzy Osbourne tour?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Ozzie said it was very hard to follow them
<v Speaker 3>a lot of nights.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't. I mean, Ozzie was what we were here?
<v Speaker 2>Who are we here to see?
<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting we talk about Ozzy. Ozzy was sort
<v Speaker 3>of fat and bloated, coked out Ozzie at this point.
<v Speaker 3>True No More Tears comes out. That's his comeback album
<v Speaker 3>after he sobers up. Right, It comes out Fall of
<v Speaker 3>ninety one as well, so you have that in there
<v Speaker 3>as well.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So during that time, James Hetfield broke his wrist
<v Speaker 2>skateboarding and as you do when you're twenty two, right,
<v Speaker 2>And so they had this guy who was Kirk Hammett's
<v Speaker 2>guitar tech sub inform. Guy's name is John Marshall, a
<v Speaker 2>little bit of true life foreshadowing for something that's going
<v Speaker 2>to come up later on Yep. By the way, John
<v Speaker 2>Marshall from the band Metal Church six foot seven, Big guy,
<v Speaker 2>six foot seven, Wow. But it pays to know if
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be a roadie, if you're going to
<v Speaker 2>be guitar tech with a band, it pays to know
<v Speaker 2>their music because you might end up on stage for them.
<v Speaker 2>And this is the part that'll be hard to talk about.
<v Speaker 2>September twenty seventh, nineteen eighty six, they're on their Damage
<v Speaker 2>Ink tour, going from Sweden to Denmark, or Denmark to Sweden.
<v Speaker 2>They drew cards to pick bunks, and Cliff won and
<v Speaker 2>picked Kirk's bunk. Cliff and Lars were the last two
<v Speaker 2>to go to sleep. Lars went up front, went to
<v Speaker 2>sleep before Cliff, and that was the last time anybody dies.
<v Speaker 3>I heard Kirk recalling this story, and you're right. They
<v Speaker 3>drew cards out of a deck and the first card selected,
<v Speaker 3>Cliff got the Ace of Spades and that's the card
<v Speaker 3>of death.
<v Speaker 2>It's also the highest card in the deck.
<v Speaker 3>Now, as soon as he drew that Ace of Spade,
<v Speaker 3>he's like, I want your bunk, pointing to Kirk. Kirk's like, fine,
<v Speaker 3>that's why I just take it whatever.
<v Speaker 2>So Kirk could have easily fit in that spot. It's
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the way engineing story. Yeah, so just
<v Speaker 2>before sunrise, the driver lost control of the bus for
<v Speaker 2>some unknown reason.
<v Speaker 3>He says black ice, right, He said he walked like
<v Speaker 3>a mile back in his underwear looking for black ice
<v Speaker 3>and couldn't find it.
<v Speaker 4>Right.
<v Speaker 2>So, after the crash happened, you know, they they're disoriented,
<v Speaker 2>they all are freaking out. They've James kicks out the
<v Speaker 2>back glass. They're all out, They're all like screaming, and
<v Speaker 2>then suddenly they realize they don't get close to us. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>is that at that point that they look and they
<v Speaker 2>see his legs coming out from underneath the bottom of
<v Speaker 2>the bus. It's really interesting, you know, Cliff he had
<v Speaker 2>done a bunch of other kinds of music. He had
<v Speaker 2>done southern rock, he had done jazz, He had done
<v Speaker 2>some classical stuff as well. He was really a very
<v Speaker 2>musically deep guy, which is kind of weird to think
<v Speaker 2>of the bass player for a heavy metal band being
<v Speaker 2>the deep music guy. But I remember reading an article
<v Speaker 2>that like just that the interview came out just before
<v Speaker 2>this all happened, and he was talking about how much
<v Speaker 2>he left the Police album, the Synchronicity album.
<v Speaker 4>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>Musicians love music, and so they don't necessarily confine them
<v Speaker 2>so sure listening wise to one set of music. But
<v Speaker 2>it's just neat to know that the bass player for
<v Speaker 2>Metallica had a deep appreciation for what was going on
<v Speaker 2>with a very new wave sound. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Tragically, he died that day in nineteen eighty six, and
<v Speaker 3>the band question in the future.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So they checked with his family. They said, Cliff
<v Speaker 2>would want you to keep on going. They're like, you're
<v Speaker 2>absolutely right, that's exactly what he would want, And so
<v Speaker 2>they started auditioning for a new bass player. Among the
<v Speaker 2>guys that auditioned was a childhood friend of Kirk's named
<v Speaker 2>Less Claypool. Less Claypool who Will. You might not know
<v Speaker 2>the name, but if you heard his bass from the
<v Speaker 2>group Primus, it's unmistakable.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they listened to him and they're like, ah, you're
<v Speaker 2>too good for us. Good luck in your future endeavors. Yeah. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>They had another guy, Troy Gregory, who had been with Prong,
<v Speaker 2>and they had this kid named Jason Newstead who was
<v Speaker 2>a super fan and had previously belonged to this group
<v Speaker 2>called Floatsome and Jetsam. He learned their entire set list
<v Speaker 2>before he went to audition. Good for him, and it
<v Speaker 2>got him the job.
<v Speaker 3>That's that's why you show up ready people for your
<v Speaker 3>job interview.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so they at the urinal decided, yeah, this
<v Speaker 2>is the guy that they want as they're eating at
<v Speaker 2>the restaurant or wherever. So they go out and they're like, sorry,
<v Speaker 2>you didn't get it. It's like they're like, we're just kidding.
<v Speaker 2>You got it. And he starts doing backflips off the table,
<v Speaker 2>like dude, you get a chill, And at that point
<v Speaker 2>the hazing began. Yeah, they hazed the crap out of it.
<v Speaker 2>They said. They told him, I can't remember like it was.
<v Speaker 2>They told him that some it was. It was a wasabi.
<v Speaker 2>It was a ball of wasabi sabi. Oh yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>try that. It's like putting or something. It's delicious, it said,
<v Speaker 2>hea'ts an entire spoonful of wasabi? A yeah, he was.
<v Speaker 2>I think they took out a lot of frustration on him,
<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of unfortunate.
<v Speaker 3>Well, they didn't want him to feel like he was
<v Speaker 3>just won the lottery. And walked into this band who
<v Speaker 3>was mega successful, and hey, guys, here I am. I'm
<v Speaker 3>just gonna start my millions with you all. So they
<v Speaker 3>want him to earn his spot. Yeah, and maybe they're
<v Speaker 3>a little.
<v Speaker 2>Tough on Yeah. So they were supposed to appear on
<v Speaker 2>Saturday Night Live in nineteen eighty seven, but Hatfield was
<v Speaker 2>skateboarding again and broke his wrists again. What and so
<v Speaker 2>they had to cancel. They would have I'm wondering what
<v Speaker 2>would have happened had they appeared on Saturday Night Live
<v Speaker 2>in eighty seven, now that they weren't already doing really
<v Speaker 2>well at that point, but it wasn't the mind blowing
<v Speaker 2>thing that it was once the next album came out. Interesting,
<v Speaker 2>I did not know that. Yeah, in August of eighty seven.
<v Speaker 2>You know, they've kind of been having an album come
<v Speaker 2>out every year. August of eighty seven they had an
<v Speaker 2>EP come out and it's all covers and it was
<v Speaker 2>called the five dollars ninety eight cent EP. Garage Days
<v Speaker 2>re revisit it. Then they do a video that's called
<v Speaker 2>Cliff a Mall and it's a tribute to Cliff as
<v Speaker 2>his bass solos, as home videos and photographs. I haven't
<v Speaker 2>seen it, but I'd really like to check that one out.
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting. I'm going to tell this person story. You know,
<v Speaker 2>my mom passed away in eighty eight and I went
<v Speaker 2>out to see my aunt and my cousins who I've
<v Speaker 2>spoken about before, the ones that I went into the
<v Speaker 2>Vacation Trading Places Risky business movie with, and they lived
<v Speaker 2>in Castra Valley, which is just outside of San Francisco. Right.
<v Speaker 2>I can remember talking to my cousins who were also musicians,
<v Speaker 2>and then Metallica came up. I don't know how or why,
<v Speaker 2>but it came up, and they're like, oh, yeah, we
<v Speaker 2>knew Cliff. He was a really, you know, amazing guy.
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I don't really know who it was,
<v Speaker 2>so didn't mean much to me at the time, and
<v Speaker 2>maybe there was like he died, and I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>later on I remember that conversation, but I also know
<v Speaker 2>my cousins and I'm like, okay, maybe they're a little
<v Speaker 2>full of it. Right right, Well, when I was looking
<v Speaker 2>at Cliff Burton, he went to Castra Valley High School,
<v Speaker 2>like he literally like he was four years different in age,
<v Speaker 2>and these guys they actually probably knew it all right,
<v Speaker 2>and then we have and Justice for All fourth album
<v Speaker 2>September nineteen eighty eight, reaches number six on the two
<v Speaker 2>hundred Albums charts, went platinum in nine weeks. This is
<v Speaker 2>kind of where I entered the scene. Absolutely where I
<v Speaker 2>entered the well when the video for one comes out, right,
<v Speaker 2>that's where I entered the scene. Like you said, the
<v Speaker 2>thrash metal to me, it was all in the same
<v Speaker 2>category of Megadeath, iron Maid, and Anthrax. All of those
<v Speaker 2>guys were not people I was interested in listening to.
<v Speaker 2>But I was an MTV devote me too, and when
<v Speaker 2>one came out, that video was mesmerizing. That song was incredible.
<v Speaker 2>I still it's my It is my favorite Metallica song
<v Speaker 2>of all albums and all songs. Okay, definitely, definitely. And
<v Speaker 2>I I passed the song to my eighteen year old daughter.
<v Speaker 2>I think she was probably seventeen or sixteen when I
<v Speaker 2>had her listen to it for the first time. But
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I want to learn how to play the drums.
<v Speaker 2>And I said, if you want to learn how to
<v Speaker 2>play the drums, I need you to listen to the song.
<v Speaker 2>And so I played it for and she like it
<v Speaker 2>became her I'm playing this every single time we're in
<v Speaker 2>the car song. Wow, it's amazing that double kick drum.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's tough.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, but you're right that that video was super interesting
<v Speaker 3>because I had some movie clips from Johnny Get Your Gun,
<v Speaker 3>and yeah, it was sad and like, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 3>this guy's trapped in his body and he can't talk
<v Speaker 3>and he can't communicate and it's all in his head.
<v Speaker 2>And so normally in this situation the band would license
<v Speaker 2>the rights to use the movie in their video. They
<v Speaker 2>bought the rights. They bought the rights to the entire film.
<v Speaker 2>So I think now if you ever, you know, if
<v Speaker 2>you catch it on TV, Metallics getting a cut of
<v Speaker 2>that because they bought the rights to the movie. That
<v Speaker 2>is cool. Yeah. So they start doing the Damage Justice tour,
<v Speaker 2>and then they get nominated for a Grammy New category.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah hard rock. Okay, this is interesting.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So the Grammys at this time, they're just kind
<v Speaker 3>of recognizing hard rock, and it's like the people who
<v Speaker 3>are in charge don't even.
<v Speaker 2>Really know what they're doing. Obviously, well we're going to
<v Speaker 2>talk about this.
<v Speaker 3>But Metallica was nominated and they were the favorite. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and they performed, they play were formed one killed It.
<v Speaker 3>They're off stage prepared to receive this award, and the
<v Speaker 3>Grammy goes.
<v Speaker 2>To Jell What what, I'm sorry, did you say the
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies hard rock at the fluid guy? What? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>don't even wrong. I love Jethrow Toll, but not in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty eight. What It makes no sense? Yes, no sense.
<v Speaker 2>Not only did it not make sense to us, but
<v Speaker 2>it also didn't make sense to Jethro Tull's manager, who said, guys,
<v Speaker 2>don't worry about coming, just stay home. Metallica is gonna win, right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Jethrow Toll wasn't even there because they were sure that
<v Speaker 2>Metallica was going to win. This yeah, referred to as
<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest upsets in Grammy history. I'm sure
<v Speaker 2>they'd like to do that over. Yeah. Could you just imagine,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, just imagine that you're one of the members
<v Speaker 2>of Metallica, You've just done this killer set, You're standing
<v Speaker 2>just off stage, ready to burst out, and the winner
<v Speaker 2>is Jethro Tall. It's like all the air comes out
<v Speaker 2>of your boxy.
<v Speaker 3>This is like in nineteen eighty four if Michael Jackson's
<v Speaker 3>standing off stage and they're like Okay, the album of
<v Speaker 3>the Year is Donnie and Marie Osmond.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that taste. And another thing that happened, which
<v Speaker 2>was the release of an album that we covered last
<v Speaker 2>year called Doctor feel Good by one of those hair
<v Speaker 2>bands that Metallica hated yep spawned a me.
<v Speaker 3>It did because they weren't fans of Motley Crue, but
<v Speaker 3>that album sounded great in their ears, and they're like,
<v Speaker 3>who is the guy who produced that album?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Now, the guy, mister Bob Rock, who we've talked
<v Speaker 2>about before. He had been an engineer on the bon
<v Speaker 2>Jovie albums. He had produced Doctor feel Good and Aerosmith,
<v Speaker 2>and he had come from this little band called kolis
<v Speaker 2>Kalis Yes, who had a hit called Eyes of a Stranger,
<v Speaker 2>which was on the Balley Girls soundtrack. All right, it
<v Speaker 2>won the Juno Award for Single of the Year. What Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>But his career in music was not to be one
<v Speaker 2>on the stage. He wanted to be producing, and so
<v Speaker 2>he went to a listen Metallic a live and he said, guys,
<v Speaker 2>glad you called. You are not capturing what you sound
<v Speaker 2>like live on your albums, and you need to because
<v Speaker 2>it's incredible and I can do that for you. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>how do you not say yesterday?
<v Speaker 3>I know Lars at the time was a little taken aback.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, uh uh, who are you?
<v Speaker 2>You're talking to me? What? Yeah? But he was right.
<v Speaker 3>The sound of the Black Album is one of the
<v Speaker 3>things that sets it apart.
<v Speaker 2>Dude. The lucky thing of wandering in stores as a
<v Speaker 2>dad is that you wander by those five dollars CD creates, right,
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, was that the Black op? Holy crap,
<v Speaker 2>that's Blood Sugar Sex Magic. I'm like, oh, this is
<v Speaker 2>rage against the machine.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, what, these are really five dollars the
<v Speaker 3>bargain ben.
<v Speaker 2>So I bought all of these CDs and so when
<v Speaker 2>we're covering this, I usually don't pull out a CD
<v Speaker 2>to listen to, but this time I got to. And
<v Speaker 2>I know that music is supposed to be the same
<v Speaker 2>in all digital formats, but I'm just going to tell
<v Speaker 2>you listeners, go listen to your CDs again, because when
<v Speaker 2>I plug that CD into my car and listened to Boom,
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Holy crap, this is so much better
<v Speaker 2>than what I'm listening to off of my phone. What
<v Speaker 2>is going on here? Yeah, it's a better sound.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, And people have gotten used to listening out
<v Speaker 3>of their crappy little device. Yeah, it makes a difference
<v Speaker 3>with a good pair of speakers, a good set of headphones,
<v Speaker 3>and you laying on your back on the middle of
<v Speaker 3>the floor with the seating jacket open.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, before we go anywhere, I want to do a
<v Speaker 3>couple of things. So this is such an epic project,
<v Speaker 3>you know, the Black album means a lot to people.
<v Speaker 3>Usually Lusion one and two were certainly such big, massive,
<v Speaker 3>eventful albums in ninety one that we reached out to
<v Speaker 3>a couple of people and asked for their thoughts. So
<v Speaker 3>our buddy John Reid from the thirty something Movie podcast,
<v Speaker 3>good friend of ours. He also co hosts the podcast
<v Speaker 3>Full of Kryptonite, which we do with him together. Go
<v Speaker 3>check that out, by the way, podcast Full of Kryptonite, it's.
<v Speaker 2>All thanks Superman. Gotta love it. Go check that out. Subscribe.
<v Speaker 3>But I just I talked to him. I know he's
<v Speaker 3>a huge Guns and Roses, a Metallica fan, and I
<v Speaker 3>just asked for his thoughts and here's what he.
<v Speaker 1>Said, Dan Jason, it's your good buddy, John Reid, the
<v Speaker 1>host of the thirty something Movie podcast and co host
<v Speaker 1>of the absolutely amazing podcast Full of Kryptonite that I
<v Speaker 1>co host with two of my very best super friends,
<v Speaker 1>which just happened to be you guys. Just want to
<v Speaker 1>say I've been loving your shows lately, Terminator, Aliens, Now
<v Speaker 1>Metallica and GNR. You guys are hitting up all of
<v Speaker 1>my favorites, all of my adolescent formative years, movies and
<v Speaker 1>music and all kinds of stuff. So it's just been
<v Speaker 1>so much fun to listen to you guys, and you
<v Speaker 1>guys are as always knocking it out of the park.
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to call in real quick and just
<v Speaker 1>drop a line and just say GNR, Metallica. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>that was big for me. Those are probably my two
<v Speaker 1>biggest bands that I was into as a kid. Actually
<v Speaker 1>had an opportunity to go see Guns and Roses in
<v Speaker 1>Paris in June of ninety two. I had some friends
<v Speaker 1>I was living overseas at the time in England, had
<v Speaker 1>some friends that were going. I mean we were only
<v Speaker 1>eleven twelve years old at the time, but their parents
<v Speaker 1>were taking them, and my mom found out and they
<v Speaker 1>actually invited me to go with them. The parents were
<v Speaker 1>going to take me, and my mom found out and
<v Speaker 1>said no, I'm not. My eleven year old child is
<v Speaker 1>not going to go see Guns and Roses in another country,
<v Speaker 1>So I did not get the chance to go see
<v Speaker 1>that one, which then, ironically that was right before you
<v Speaker 1>had the tour that started up that was Metallica and
<v Speaker 1>Guns and Roses together, so which we kind of know
<v Speaker 1>how that thing all ended up. But yeah, no, I
<v Speaker 1>loved Guns and Roses. My first exposure was Use Your
<v Speaker 1>Illusion Volume two, which I had one of my buddies,
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, he made a bootleg copy for me,
<v Speaker 1>and I kept that hidden in my jacket pocket so
<v Speaker 1>that my parents would not find it. And then it
<v Speaker 1>was a pretty long stretch of time until I finally
<v Speaker 1>got Use Your Illusion Volume one. Next few years, we
<v Speaker 1>moved back to the States and I was a moody,
<v Speaker 1>angsty teen and Use Your Illusion Volume one was the
<v Speaker 1>perfect album for that time period in my life. Volume two,
<v Speaker 1>I'd say, Yesterday's Get in the Ring any Angsty preteen
<v Speaker 1>or teen is an awesome song just because anybody who's
<v Speaker 1>heard it knows exactly why. And then you could be mine,
<v Speaker 1>you know, knowing I was a big Terminator fan that
<v Speaker 1>that one was from that movie, and I was able
<v Speaker 1>to hear it there and just a great song. Volume one.
<v Speaker 1>I think Double Talkin' Jive, Garden of Eden, and Coma.
<v Speaker 1>They were the much darker songs and I think those
<v Speaker 1>are the ones that I really liked from that album.
<v Speaker 1>Then on into high school, I was into Got some Friends,
<v Speaker 1>then got me into Metallica, and so in Metallica. On
<v Speaker 1>the Black Album, I'd say Sad but True, Wherever I
<v Speaker 1>May Roam and The Unforgiven are probably three of my
<v Speaker 1>favorites off of that, and Metallica kind of carried me
<v Speaker 1>through high school. I kind of switched a little bit
<v Speaker 1>from Guns N' Roses to Metallica, So i'd have to say, now,
<v Speaker 1>if I had to look back on them, which one
<v Speaker 1>is the best? I think I'm probably going to go
<v Speaker 1>Use Your Illusion Volume two. I still enjoy Metallica, but
<v Speaker 1>I've swung back to listening to Guns and Roses a
<v Speaker 1>little bit more often, and I think it's probably more
<v Speaker 1>my all time favorite. If I had to choose, if
<v Speaker 1>anybody was asking my opinion, I would say Guns N' Roses,
<v Speaker 1>Use Your Illusion Volume two is the best out of
<v Speaker 1>those three. All right, guys, good luck on the rest
<v Speaker 1>of your recordings, and thank you so much, and thank
<v Speaker 1>you for all you guys do to just continue to
<v Speaker 1>entertain and inform us and just all the great shows
<v Speaker 1>you guys are putting out. We'll see you later for
<v Speaker 1>some more Superman episodes too.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's interesting. We'll see whether we agree with John
<v Speaker 2>or not at the end. I guess John's a great dude.
<v Speaker 2>He's got a great show.
<v Speaker 3>At the Thirty Cents of Movie podcast, they go all
<v Speaker 3>through their movies that are thirty years old, so they're
<v Speaker 3>going through ninety one right now.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, these albums are coming out right at the
<v Speaker 2>same time that the movies that they're discussing are coming
<v Speaker 2>out as well. Thanks Jean, appreciate you, buddy. Okay, guys,
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