#587 - Kane Brown on Losing $10M, Family Trauma & Picking His Top 5 Songs

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Speaker 1: I just not redid my deal to make it kind of fair, like just now, no way.

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Speaker 2: How much money do you think you've given away that you probably shouldn't have had to give away?

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Speaker 1: Ten million?

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Speaker 2: The guest on Today's Bobbycast is Kane Brown. I love Kane, known him for a while. He's got so many massive songs. Heaven, what IF's one Mississippi. He's got thirteen number ones. He's got new music on the way. He's got a song called Woman that just came out. I hope you check that out. He's got a bar on Broadway here in Nashville called Caine Brown's on Broadway. We talk about that. He's even acting, and so his first movie The Token Groomsman with Taylor Latner, which is pretty cool considering he first blew up posting cover songs on Facebook. He's a husband, a dad of three. He's a friend of mine here he is Caine Brown.

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Speaker 1: All Right, good to see you, buddy, Good to see you.

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Speaker 2: A couple of things to eat, A trace Migos when you were a kid.

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Speaker 1: I love Migos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard it's pretty good. One of my my friends here was like, first thing I want you to ask Kane. Did he eat Trace Migos as a kid?

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Speaker 1: As I thought, is Tracey Migo is not only the Chattanooga thing. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen Trace Migos, so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they must be from Chattanooga. Then, is that that's the place I've seen it? But it's fire.

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Speaker 2: Was it a frequent for you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty much like after every football, baseball game or practice, we would go to Trace Migos.

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Speaker 2: Now we're in the middle of the episode. But I do hear your manager outside. Yeah, she's the only one I would like come in during a recording. Come in, come in and they left.

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Speaker 1: Oh she's calling me now the answer.

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Speaker 2: We're on we're live here, We've never.

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Speaker 1: Hello. Yeah, I'm in the back building. Yeah, did you just walk in? Yeah. Bobby said you're the person that he would let walk in.

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Speaker 2: So during a live during the live, Yeah, so come in there she is we hear you, come on in, come in. We're in the middle. Come in here here, we're in the middle of the episode. Yes, no, I promise you, I literally said to Kay And we usually sometimes we don't even allow people in here, but I said, you're the only person I would ever allow to come in mid episode. So sorry, I this is the flow. You have not ruined anything. We are still rolling. Everybody watching on Netflix is like, what's happening. I want to I want to ask you a question about your manager because I think this is interesting because I think I didn't know what a manager did until I moved here and was like, had stuff happening? And they're like, you need a manager and I'm like, what does that even mean? Like what does a manager do for you?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't she do? She does everything? Yeah, I mean literally everything, everything other than create the music.

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Speaker 2: So you're not in like witness protection, right, Okay, what's your manager's name?

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Speaker 1: Martha Earls?

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Speaker 2: And so how did you meet Martha? So?

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Speaker 1: I met Martha through this guy, Well, I met her through Jay Frank, who has passed away now, but he originally found me. Well, this other guy, Sean pay found me on Facebook and he worked for Jay Frank. It's a crazy story. I was about to have falling out with him. I told him they basically gave up on me, and I told him I'm about to leave, YadA, YadA, yadda, and they were like, well, what can we do to get you to stay? And he had introduced me to Martha at one point, and I said, the only way that I will stay with you is if I work with Martha. So he transferred me to Martha, and we've been working together ever since.

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Speaker 2: But what does that then mean? Because was she had this big, fancy manager with huge clients.

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Speaker 1: No, No, she had worked with an artist before, and she's it's so weird.

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Speaker 2: She's right there, but she deserves She came in late, so yeah, we're openly going.

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Speaker 1: But she she had been in the business for a long time. She knew a lot of people in the industry. She was so sweet when I first met her, and I didn't know anything about her. Whenever I said I wanted to work with her, she just seemed engaged. And if Jay Frank was well also well known in Nashville, so I was like, if he's introducing me to her, she's obviously can do something. And then our career has just been thriving ever since.

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Speaker 2: So is that like the early strategy of how to make you a legitimate recording artist? Did you have a label?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Was she involved in that process? Does a manager help do that?

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Speaker 1: I was that's another thing I was kind of forced to sign in my label. And also nobody knows this either. Yeah, I can, I can go down a rabbit hole going.

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Speaker 2: Makes for all Netflix.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just now starting to feel comfortable about talking about things I know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I know you and love you outside of this. But yeah, I don't know this. So I'll sit back and enjoy the show.

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Speaker 1: That's gooddy So just normal kid trying to make it on Facebook eventually go viral. Sean Paced, the guy I was just talking about, eventually finds me. I don't remember what comes first. He signs me to I'm just gonna say his name. He signs me to Or. He introduces me to. So I'm sleeping in my car and all kinds of stuff just to work with this guy. Where in Atlanta? So you're down there, Yeah, I'm sleeping in my Honda. I'm driving all the way down there. I'm living in an apartment up here. So still I was making iTunes money, but I couldn't afford to just get a hotel and all that stuff. So going back and forth introduced me to Jay Frank. I signed a management deal with Jay, but I'm still going down to see just to work on music and stuff. Because he wants to. He's hungry and way, he signs me to a deal and it's fifty to fifty. But I was just so excited to get signed that I couldn't wait. I didn't have anybody, I didn't have my mom, I didn't have my dad on my side. So I just signed a fifty to fifty deal.

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Speaker 2: Now I explain why that's not typical fifty fifty. What's a normal deal?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I couldn't even tell you. I couldn't even tell you. I just what is a normal deal.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like it's like eighty five fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, But for him, I don't even I don't even know what I signed for him, though I just knew he was in the industry. Yeah, it was just terrible.

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Speaker 2: It feels like one of the boy band deals from back in the nineties when they didn't know what they were signing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, it was awful and it literally killed my career, like tens of millions of dollars that I have not got.

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Speaker 2: Wait, how so because.

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Speaker 1: Because he got it for so long, Like I was forced to sign to Sony.

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Speaker 2: So you were even forced to sign with a label because was he like.

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Speaker 1: Attached to the he was attached to l A Reid, and La Reid said no to me whenever he So once I signed, started shopping me around the different labels. Once I went viral, every label I wasn't viral yet when I signed, I had like I was getting five thousand, ten thousand likes literally something. When I signed with him, like the next day, my socials just blow up, blew up. He even thought he was like, bro, you're buying these These are fake. I said, I promise you, this is not fake. So then every label, New York, La, Nashville, Everybody's coming at me. He showed me to La Red. La Reed said no, so he thinks it's free game. Well, his contract that he has with Eli Reed says La Red get his first look. So then once I actually went viral, l A. Reed came back and said, no, you have to sign him.

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Speaker 2: But he already said no.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he already said no, but but now.

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Speaker 2: It's yes, yeah, now because there's some virility to your your art. Yeah, so now you're still you're you're with that label.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I love Sony. This is not against Sony. I love Sony. I was forced to sign with Sony. They've been good to me, but they've also it's just been it's been so long. I just now I'm just not getting I just not redid my deal to make it kind of fair like just now, no way. That's why I've been worried my whole career because I'm like, I'm not getting what I should And if it was to go away today, I think I could be fine. But I don't have what I think a lot of people think that I have.

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Speaker 2: How much money do you think you've given away that you probably shouldn't have had to give away?

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Speaker 1: Ten million? I asked my business manager, I've got screwed out of this.

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Speaker 2: How do you not stay angry at that?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm blessed to what I have. You know, I could be still a FedEx. I can, you know, support my family. We would be living a little bit different life. I would be able to give a little bit more away, you know, But it is what it is. God's got a plan for me.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to do a lot of praying. I'd have to do a lot of praying for a lot of like forgiveness or forget because because everybody knew what was happening, because you were a kid from a small town, and I hope you take this right. Well, you didn't know what you were doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't have no idea.

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Speaker 2: They knew you didn't know what you were doing, and they were taking advantage of somebody who didn't know what they were doing. That's what it seems like to me.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, million percent. And then it wasn't It wasn't really it wasn't necessarily Sony's fault, you know. I mean they had an artist that was, you know, popping out the time that yeah, I was forced to sign with them, But how do you say? I mean, honestly, I have the kind of heart that I would be like, no, you don't have to. You can make a choice. But it's it's it's a business at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: At the beginning. And was your first viral, was it, George Strait was that the one that you was the check? Yes or no?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So that thing pops. Do they go, hey, you're your country or were they like what were they thinking you were? Who anybody? After you went viral? Were they going, you're for sure you should stay in the country lane, or were they like you should be you know, Oh.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, that was just what I was. That was my goal.

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Speaker 2: When you're making music in Atlanta, Yeah, were making country music.

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Speaker 1: So they were showing me to. They were showing me to what's his name, Timbaland? And what's really cool about this? And this is the other reason I can't get mad, because if I wouldn't have signed with I wouldn't have my family. I wouldn't know my wife, I wouldn't have my kids.

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Speaker 2: Like, what's that correlation?

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 2: How do you know your wife because of him?

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Speaker 1: She used to work with him. He introduced us.

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Speaker 2: So she was she had performed like an artist she was working with.

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Speaker 1: So she was managed by Johnny Wright, which is I mean he had Britney Spears. Uh he still has, justin Timberlake. I think he had the Backstreet Boys, like he's massive. So she would go to the studio and I was supposed to be in her music video a year before we had actually met, but I had my first show, so I couldn't be the guy in the music video. So that's why I always look at it. If I wouldn't have done this, then I wouldn't have my family.

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Speaker 2: You were giving me the hot guy in a music video. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Was generally you're the hot guy in a video.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she said. She said, uh, he asked me, and I was like, what she looked like? And then he told he told hers to use me, and she said, what's he looked like? And then I don't know, just h hit off.

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Speaker 2: You're a pretty happy guy. Just generally speaking. I had no idea that that you had been uh, finagled out of that money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've kept it on the down low. It was funny though, you just saw me. I don't really know what he's doing now, but I was saying f l A read on Facebook live for the longest and had everybody message me saying like, you can't do that, you can't do that. I was like, screw it. I'm just a kid from Chattanooga on Facebook. What you mean I can't do it?

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Speaker 2: Were you was in that recently?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, ye, don't do that, you will die? Yeah, yeah, I got it, got it. There's like a replacement came around in here. Now. You know how they say they kill people and then.

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Speaker 1: Put a little that's been creeping me out too.

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Speaker 2: Bo Yeah, Jim carry Yeah, it's dude.

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Speaker 1: I went down a rabbit hole with it.

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Speaker 2: Well that's my theory.

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Speaker 1: I'll take it. That's what I was really excited to come in here and just go left and right and just talk to that.

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Speaker 2: Then I'll go for a minute. So I am a massive Andy Kaufman fan. And for those who don't know Andy Coffman, he's dead now, but he was a performance artist. Someone say comedian, but performance artist. He also ended up acting a little bit in the seventies sitcom Taxi. He played Laca and he would be like, thank gool very much. He was like that guy. He'd probably know a picture of him if you saw him. But he died. There's a movie about him, that's my favorite movie ever where Jim Carrey played him in The movie is called Man on the Moon. Think about Andy Coffin was everything was performance art. It was to the point where people would his family would get so mad at him because he was always like doing really wild things just to get reaction. In his live shows, for example, he would set up a tent and the crowd would be full because they knew him from TV. He a bit resented his TV character because it made him famous in a way that he didn't really want, but he would set up a tent on stage and he just going to the tent and go to sleep, and that was his act. And he'd just see how many people would stay like it was just re or he would, you know, have a Warren piece the book and he'd say thank you for coming, and just read the whole book for hours, just because his performance art was for him. He wanted to see if people would stay and watch him read the book. So all this happens. It's my favorite performer ever, Jim Carrey's favorite performer. As you know, Jim Carrey's very very animated physical comedy. Jim Carrey recently has been saying a lot of stuff over the past few years in regards to like entities in Hollywood and I retire, I'm never coming back, and so you know, you saw Jim Carrey and they're like, is that even a real Jim Carrey. My theory is is that that guy was not Jim Carrey. But Jim Carrey is not dead. Jim Carrey was a part of putting someone in a Jim Carrey mask, and then Jim Carrey got to enjoy the person impersonating Jim Carrey and then watching all that was happening around it as a bit of performance art. Even Jim Carrey's family was with him, with him that the guy that was supposedly Jim Carrey think comparis, but I think they knew about it. My theory is Jim Carrey was in on the joke that that wasn't Jim Carrey. But Jim Carrey hasn't been abducted and killed and replaced by somebody just being Jim Carrey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do think that that dude was in that. The only thing that was throwing me off was his voice, because I mean, if that's the case, he's got a great impersonation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is a good Jim Carrey voice, but what does Jim Carrey sound like in his sixties? Kind of like Jim Carrey in his forty because I said the same thing and listened to it, and it does sound like Jim Carrey. But somebody who can I can't do impressions at all. I can do it kne Brown impression, Kenny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 2: I got a Lamborghini all right bout that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You know what, and I've only talked about this a couple of times. You know this I don't know much about cars, but I bought a Lamborghini after our conversation about Lamborghini. Because there's a lot of things that happened in your life growing up that are very similar to things that happened in my life growing up. And I've always really admired where you come from, which could also be a bit me admiring where I come from, because I'm like, that dude did it, But really I'm like, man, I did it too, you know. So there are a lot of parallels between how we grew up. And you were talking about a Lamborghini, but you were talking about it not in the way of like, I got a Lamborghini. Look at me, I'm rich. You're like, man, I've earned a Lamborghini. I'm driving it. And you say, if you ever want to drive it, just come over the house and drive it. And I was like, I will never drive a Lamborghini. I don't want to wreck your Lamborghini. I never even thought about having a Lamborghini. And so my wife and I were driving around. I don't see very well. I hit way too many potholes, and I had a couple of nice cars. My dream car was a Bentley and I bought one and it was crazy and it was awesome, but then I was like, I'm driving like an old person car like and I'm hitting potholes. And it was like I was driving like that, and we were looking. My wife says, you need to get an suv because you can't see and maybe if you're up higher, you won't hit as many potholes. You and I just had a conversation and we drove by the Lamborghini place and I was like, you know, I'm poor and a vacaine, I'm going to look at Lamborghinis and you didn't die yet, but still I went in. Didn't think I was going to get one, and I got and I saw the suv and I was like, man, I don't know. And I got in it and I was like, I think I'm gonna do it. And I didn't feel bad about it because when you were talking about it, you weren't bragging about it. You were just like, I always wanted this, and I've worked hard and I've got it, and so I bought one. I texted you and I was like, I got one, but it's the I even felt weird telling you. I was like, it's the lame one. It's it's the SUV and you're like, you're like, dude, that's a yours. That's cool, And I was like, all right, maybe it is cool, but like I have mine now and this is the most unrelatable thing to talk about. But I feel like it's okay because I feel like it's okay because you were talking about it and you didn't make me feel like. You were talking about it to brag that you had one, but to kind of show, hey, if I come from here and can get this, I think anybody can do the work, come from there and get this. Yeah, but that's why I got mine, Although you did drive years here? What did I say before we started recording.

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Speaker 1: Kind of sitting like I sit in it, we go out there, I think you'll be, uh, you'll really like your your pick of getting the years because if I wouldn't have went, and I think I told you just before, if I wouldn't have modified mine, I would have been bored with it already.

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Speaker 2: Why what's boring about it?

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Speaker 1: I like to I like to drive fast.

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Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, yeah, I hold up traffics like people know I'm around. If the cars are backed up like ten deep, they're like, Bobby must be up there. Yeah I was. I also feel like the one that I have doesn't stick out. I'm cool with that.

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Speaker 1: The color sticks out. Color is beautiful, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: So color blind, are you? Oh yeah? And I know it's blue. Yeah, but I'm so color blind that if it's a beautiful yeah, wow, yours looks awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I'm just mad black.

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Speaker 2: But I would probably hit pot in years.

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Speaker 1: So I do all the time. And I scraped and we lowered it even lower why just to make it look better? But it's so not practical.

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Speaker 2: Can you drive that as your regular car?

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't, but I do. Oh yeah yeah, because I'm not selling it. I'm to the point I've had I've had people try to buy it from me. I'm like, man, this is my first and only Lambo I'm ever gonna buy. Like, I want to give this to my kids one day. Uh. Kingsley's about to be seven, and she's she's dying for it. She's like, I want it so bad. And then now I'm like, I don't know what if I have to go to crew.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you a question about kids. Give me the stages like very baby to you, like taught, like what am I about to experience here? Because also I'm not nineteen or twenty two like I'm older. Yeah, my fear growing up always was I don't want to have a kid because I don't want a kid to be poor like I was poor. It was my greatest fear was grow raising a kid without the means to feed the kid because I didn't always have food, and so that was so scary to me. I don't have that fear anymore. Now it's your dude. I've only held one baby in my life ever, like even held anybody else's, and that's my accident.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so I'll tell you when you when I'll tell you when it's here. Uh, you're probably gonna be very nervous. You're gonna Thomas Rhet said it best. You're gonna feel like it's glass, but it's made of it's not made of rubber, but it's it's more like Rover and I think the going to sleep. Definitely get a night nurse because you're we are privileged enough that you can get a night nurse. That will save your mental state. I think the hardest part for me, and it's gonna be for you too. Since we both came from the same background. My kids are very privileged.

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Speaker 2: I already have that conversation with my wife. It's like, how do I create adversity And it's like it's not born yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I So we just shot a music video for women, and so my kids when we go to Disney, like when we go that, they don't have to wait in lines, they get the VIP treatment, they go to the back, they get to hop right on the ride, they can ride it again if they want to. They get anything they want. I'm like, stop buying toys, you know. Christmas. I'm like, there's too many toys. If they go, if if they hear the word target, they get a toy. It's ridiculous and it drives me nuts. And I don't think my wife, I don't think she realizes it drives me the nuts. But so when we shot this music video, I didn't get to go on the ride because I was working, So my nanny had to take Kingsley on the rise. They gave us just like a day pass to go and So she got to the she got to the line and she looked up to my nanny and she says, why are we waiting in line? And I was like, yes, Like I loved it. She had to walk around the whole park. She didn't get golf carts, she didn't get drove around. So the time she got back to us, she was exhausted. She was asleep. They had to carry her to the to the room and I was like, finally, just that little bit of how I grew had. I showed her the other day. I had to show her a trailer Like what a trailer is? That's where I grew up in.

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Speaker 2: Oh, not a movie trailer, like a trailer trailer park.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, trailer park. And so I showed it to her and she said you lived in that and I said yes, And I'm showing you this in our second house in Florida. I'm like, you privileged. Nah. Like So it's that's probably my biggest pet peeve. And my advice to you is just it's probably gonna be something that since we both struggled, and that's probably gonna be something you'll have to worry about.

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Speaker 2: What is your earliest memory?

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Speaker 1: My earliest memory straight up. Earliest memory being thrown across the room, like the first thing in mind by my stepdad, like abuse type. I peed the bed.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah that sucks, not that you pete the bed, because I peede the bed, but I'm saying you were thrown across the room for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's a memory, that's your first memory.

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 2: It's that that trauma is set in so deep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also it probably doesn't help that normal interviews people found out about it. And that's just like what I I think that my brain might just be programmed.

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Speaker 2: To like what do mean normal interviews people find.

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Speaker 1: Out Like if I have interviews and like especially coming up, like everybody wants to know the sad stuff. So it's like that's just I mean, that's just been repeated in my head the last ten years.

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Speaker 2: Because you've had to come up with something. So that's the first thing you can remember from the sad stuff.

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Speaker 1: Just keep it just yeah, it's just like in my life.

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Speaker 2: Now, my grandma raised me for a lot of my life, adopted me. Your grandma was important in your life? What was you guys' relationship and when did that happen?

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Speaker 1: My nano she was awesome and when did what do you mean the beast seven?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about just in general, like your grandma. My grandma was like my rock, the only rock that I had.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so my nana she was she was awesome. So I'll go this too, Me and my little brother. This has never been told either. So me and my little brother was almost put up for adoption when we were small, and some things have been hidden from us. I don't know exactly everything, but my nana was part of it. At one point I was told, and then she wasn't, and so then it was like I had flipped the switch on her, you know, just being from Georgia and a white family and you know, me being by Rachel. Uh So then she ended up just loving me and I just remember her, you know, egg sandwiches. She used to make me or the best in the world.

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Speaker 2: And so is your nana. Nana's what you call your call my grandma? Was she your biological grandmother?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, yeah, So I never met my dad's side of the family until I was sixteen found out I had five brothers and sisters outside of my dad. But I never met him when you were sixteen, until I was sixteen. I didn't meet my older middle brother until I was twenty four and I was touring.

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Speaker 2: Did they know you existed?

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Speaker 1: No? They once, So my dad reached out to me. He wrote me a letter in the mail. I got my freshman year in high school and then fast Forard, I met my so my sister, Ariel, Heidi, and Brian are all living in Chattanooga, and Mikey was living in Iowa. So that's why I didn't meet him to twenty four. But then I started hanging out with all of them. And yeah, that's the rest of this time. I mean, that's a whole nother situation too. Do dad leave now? My dad's been in prison, got it?

00:25:10
Speaker 2: My dad left at six and I was writing a book and the whole book was about basically like if I can do it, you can do it. But I did it with very practical techniques like show up on time, just like basic building blocks like success. And I wrote this book and I was like, man, I feel like such such a freaking loser and I'm a hypocrite because I've not done the one thing that really scares me. And let's go track down my biological dad. M and so that's what I did, oh man, And so I didn't know he left. When I was six, I had I had fallen off a house and had surgery and almost died. And then when I was in the hospital, he used that is he jumped, and so I never saw him again. So I think there's probably a lot of guilt in me when I was a kid, thinking well, since I'm hurt, I made him go away. As I got to be an adult, I kind of just realized. But my mom was fifteen when she got pregnant. He was seventeen. So there's also some of that too, where you realize they're kids. Kids don't generally make good decisions. But again, a lot to unpack. But I messaged a cousin and was like, how do I get a hold of And I don't call him my dad, but for the sake of this my dad, how I get ahold of him? Got his number, text him and I was like, Hey, this is your son, And then I was like, I better write my name you Ben if a right son, I've better write like this is your son, Bobby. I'm going to be in town in Arkansas, and I wasn't going to be in town, but I knew if I could just set that time, it gave us a point. Yeah, And I went and met him. It was so weird to see somebody that looked like me, really, because I'd never in my life had a conversation with a parent. My mom was an addict and she died in her forties and she was there, but we never had like an adult conversation. So when I met my biological father, it was the first, like real life conversation. I was thirty two. It was the first conversation I'd ever had with a parent. But what I remember thinking, is I look like this. It's crazy because no, there was no genetics in my life. Yeah, because I had no family that I was near.

00:27:06
Speaker 1: And so, dude, goy, our lives are crazy similar.

00:27:10
Speaker 2: Bro, what's your version of that?

00:27:11
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you said you didn't look like nobody I love. I lived on the white side of my family, you know what I mean. I didn't. I didn't know color in my family until I was sixteen. And then when you just talked about your mom, I didn't know about that either. I'm sorry about that. But my mom went down the same rabbit hole, same with my little brother, and so I got kicked out when I was seventeen, and so everybody was like, why aren't you helping your mom or whatever? I'm like, I am helping my mom. I got her apartment, I'm paying for all the utilities. I can't just give her money, you know what I mean? Because if I just give her money, then she's just gonna go and buy the stuff that's hurting her. So I could not find out how to do it. So I just got her apartment and helped her that way. Because if you if you take work away from her, like she even tells me, me and my little brother were her, were her what do you call it? H purpose? When we grew up and moved out. What's her purpose now? You know what I mean? She's not married, she has no boyfriend. So I'm just I mean, she's just doing whatever she can in the house.

00:28:15
Speaker 2: Is she alive now?

00:28:16
Speaker 1: Yeah? And she's so much better now. I love your mom. Yeah, so much better now. But that and I got her house.

00:28:23
Speaker 2: Did she have to hit a certain bottom to understand what was happening with her before she figured it out?

00:28:31
Speaker 1: I don't know what the breaking point was.

00:28:33
Speaker 2: I just.

00:28:35
Speaker 1: I told her I want my mom back. I felt like it was just it was hard. I had no family up here like we like it was tough. I mean I have my nana luckily, and then my aunt. I don't know what her breaking point was.

00:28:51
Speaker 4: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the Bobby Cast.

00:29:06
Speaker 2: I love that version of that story because very similarly, when I started to have some success, and not to this success app now because my mom never got to see me be really successful, but successful to me was having more than twenty dollars in a checking account, Like that was this first real success where I could actually get gas don't have to worry about it, you know. But I did this. I about my MoMA trailer and I bought her two acres of land, and because I thought, if I could stop her, if I could make life easier for her, she would stop using, which is what she was doing. And where I come from, opioids like crazy and homemade myth, like there were trailers blowing up all over the place because they're making meth inside of these places. And I thought, if I could make and I'd put in rehab a couple of times, but she's an adult. She would check herself out. And I thought, if I can just buy her this. It'll work. Why I'm so happy about that your version is it didn't. It didn't get my mom too a good place. I think I enabled her.

00:30:05
Speaker 1: She did.

00:30:05
Speaker 2: I mean, she died because I was just like, let me give you money. And I learned that it was a very very hard lesson where I just thought I could pay away her problems, and that now when I talk about it, it's like the hardest thing is to let them do it themselves whenever you have the ability to do it for them, because doing it for them actually does just the opposite.

00:30:31
Speaker 1: As I say, with my little brother, my little brother ended up getting arrested and I'd got him out already, and then he ended up going back and I said, I'm not getting you out this time, so I'm going to leave you in there at least for six months so it gets out of your system. And then he ended up standing there for a year. But when he got out, he said, thank you for leaving me in there.

00:30:52
Speaker 2: It's very hard, though, to leave him in there, because it's you love them, and you think, well, if I love them, I should just give them stuff and help them. Man, I'm so happy to hear that about your mom that you guys have a good relationship.

00:31:05
Speaker 1: Relationship. Now I'm excited she's back. She texts me she loves me all the time. It's like feels good.

00:31:13
Speaker 2: So you're by Rachel. Were you white or black? Growing up?

00:31:17
Speaker 1: So I don't know what I was. I was just walking. I didn't know, like really anything about racist.

00:31:23
Speaker 2: But okay, but what friends did you have?

00:31:26
Speaker 1: I had one black friend, and I know this sounds crazy, but I just thought he stayed in the so longer than me. I didn't come on.

00:31:32
Speaker 2: I promise you.

00:31:35
Speaker 1: True, because if I don't go in the sun, I get super pale. So I was like, okay, cool, and then when I get in the sun, I get super dark. And yeah, I know it sounds crazy, but I mean I'm in Uh. It was weak here, so I'm like, I might be eight years old and I didn't find out I was. I didn't find out of another race until I got called the N word school, and then I went back home and said, what is that? And my mom told me. And it took my little brother to tell me that I was.

00:32:07
Speaker 2: Half black, so he didn't know, but I guess.

00:32:13
Speaker 1: My dad and my granddad was my mom's dad. I caught him pop. He was with me every day and he was just a white man. So that was I did. I never asked. I never I don't know what it was like. He never got brought up my family. It was like my family just tried to completely ignore the fact. And I'm a kid, so I'm not going to sit there and be like, where's my dad because my pop's right there. And then not to mention, I had my stepdad in the picture too, which was my little brother's dad, and he was he was with my mom, So it wasn't like a there wasn't a man that wasn't in the house, So it wasn't necessarily me saying where's my dad?

00:32:49
Speaker 2: Do you know your biological father? Now? Do you have a relationship with them?

00:32:54
Speaker 1: No, that's another this is probably gonna get brought up, bring some stuff up to but uh yeah, I do not. He's been in prison since ninety six and that's that just goes to that side of the family for me, is kind of crazy. Love them. I've helped them out many times, but all they do is you'll help them out, then they talk crap about you on social media when you don't, and it's like I'm not doing that. I've gave you. I've gave all of them multiple thousands of dollars. I've helped most of them multiple get into houses that they needed to, I've paid rent. I've done so much. And then after if I don't, they just talk shit on Facebook and say I have all this money and don't help no family members. But I'm all about family.

00:33:43
Speaker 2: I have a cousin. It's from that side of the family. I have a jail fan side. Everybody's been in jail on that side. Yeah, and five or six years ago, maybe more than that now because COVID kind of messes with my brain. I saw a news story and I saw him escape prison on TV. He escaped, dude, it's the craziest thing.

00:34:02
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, go no.

00:34:05
Speaker 2: They people were calling me like that, like the FBI was calling me. So it showed and it was like a big story because he and his mom had helped him. I think she was waiting in a car outside and there was like a little hole that you can like can't and so he was on the phone, jumped through the hole, and then he ran all through states. They tracked him for like two they couldn't find them. So they started to call me and they were like, do you know where your cousin is. He just escaped prison. He's in that side of the family. And I'm close to two of my cousins that haven't been in prison, but pretty much everybody else has. Yeah, it was like a man hunt for two weeks. And they were like, are you hiding your cousin. I'm like, I don't know my cousin. But it was crazy because it was Good Morning America was covering it. Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like it's the craziest video to watch him like squeeze out of there. Uh yeah, I man, Yeah, Like I root for you because I again, I know your story, but I'll I don't like you as a person. When I first met you, I didn't like you that much.

00:35:03
Speaker 1: I don't know.

00:35:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it was it's just confusion of impression confusion.

00:35:12
Speaker 1: It was a social media you know, and I mean you just had to see me. I don't know, and I and I also I was shy. I was quiet, which probably came off very a holdish to a lot of people when I got in the industry. But like for what I've been throughout my life. You know, I could just I wouldn't just let people in. I had to get to know him.

00:35:30
Speaker 2: I think that is exactly it. And I think I'm so insecure that people don't like me that I'm going, oh, if that person doesn't like me, I don't like them, like immediately for some of those same reasons. But I was like, oh, he doesn't talk, Oh he thinks he's too good. And then yeah, but we had like a minute on social media where we were like kay and each other.

00:35:51
Speaker 1: I got it, we need to do it again. I got a lot of followers.

00:35:53
Speaker 2: It was just like okay, okay, got it and so but now it's like if you need a kidney, I if you want you know.

00:36:01
Speaker 1: So.

00:36:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get jealous though watching you play ball. I think that's the one thing I get jealous of basketball. It Yeah, you're just good at stuff. No like is it?

00:36:12
Speaker 1: No? People, No, there's.

00:36:14
Speaker 2: I've watched you with my own eyeball. I didn't strike o slop bit softball. But then I watch you at a home run right after that? Right, no, but then I watch you at home run.

00:36:20
Speaker 1: Right after that, and you had in the park home run.

00:36:22
Speaker 2: I got the m V p balled up there.

00:36:24
Speaker 1: But yeah, you got envy.

00:36:25
Speaker 2: But I only got that because you made the play at the end of the game to save the freaking game.

00:36:29
Speaker 1: But you were diving all over the fields. Okay, what you got.

00:36:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm jealous to watch somebody that because when you you're you're a really good basketball player.

00:36:37
Speaker 1: I'm okay, No, I'm saying that. There's and I've I've tried to invite you a couple times, but you go to Yeah.

00:36:46
Speaker 2: Put a bed way earlier than you play ball.

00:36:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to do one during the morning sometime.

00:36:52
Speaker 2: Like if you do it in the morning morning, I'm working. I got a very small yeah one too, Like how much basketball do you play?

00:36:59
Speaker 1: Actually? Quit it? But I'm trying to get I'm in shape now where I would love to do it more. We used to play every Monday. Yeah, we got to get it back though. They keep asking me, you.

00:37:08
Speaker 2: Have a trainer now. Jared great the greatest. Here's my guy for five years. I don't know what he says about me, like wee lazy?

00:37:17
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I mean he's worked with everybody.

00:37:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's to go on the road with me, like he was, like he's awesome.

00:37:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes out with me now I think, I mean he's been with Tyler, was out with him, and then I told I was just with Lauren the other day learn Alena and she found she was like, you look great, I said to Jared. She goes, God, I got to get him back out. So he's been with everybody.

00:37:36
Speaker 2: Are you still as hyper focused on health?

00:37:41
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I don't think it's but you still I had to force it now, it's just my nature.

00:37:46
Speaker 2: Well, you texted me, hey, do you want to get in good shape? And I'm like, bro, I remember the text, and my feelings are a little bit hurt. And you were like, no, just success, no no, no, no, no, no, you hear me. And you said, hey man, you're looking and get in good shape. And I'm like, bro, this talks like eleven pounds. I'm more sure than I've ever been. And you're telling me I don't look good like And then I said that back to you and you're like, okay, my bad.

00:38:07
Speaker 1: That was it.

00:38:08
Speaker 2: Now I can't. I'm not gonna look like you.

00:38:10
Speaker 1: You can.

00:38:12
Speaker 2: First of all, you're like, you're like younger than him, you're larger than I am.

00:38:16
Speaker 1: No, it's I'm saying, but you can get ripped.

00:38:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I give me a pretty good shape, but you're naturally uh h. I don't because when people if people tell me, hey, like, you're talented, I get offended because I don't fel like I'm talented. I work hard, but you're just naturally a better athlete than I am. Thank you, Thank you for not a green, thank you for not agreeing so wholeheartedly. What's up with the bar you're opening.

00:38:39
Speaker 1: Dude, It's crazy. We've had that bar for two years. And it's funny because after everybody's been opening a bar, you just see comments it's like, oh, great, another bar opening. I was like, they're gonna be saying that about me. But we've had two years and uh we've been going to each bar and seeing like what works and what doesn't work for the other artists. Instead of just throwing her name up there, and we got to pick out the finishes. Kate's really good at, uh like interior decorating, So I want to make it look really cool, but make it different, just because my music is all over the place. So instead of just having your like we're gonna have the traditional live band on the first floor. But then as you go up, we're gonna have another bar or another like speakeasy called Dusk excuse me, and that's gonna be like the it's gonna feel like a Miami vibe. We picked like Miami type of colors, which I don't think anything on Broadway feels like that. And then uh yeah, it's gonna be cool. And then we're gonna have like cool art and decorated pieces throughout the whole bar. What is that opening memorial that we can do?

00:39:40
Speaker 2: You have a deal where you're gonna play a few times a year there I don't know as their state. Are you gonna show up.

00:39:45
Speaker 1: And no, no, I mean I'm gonna I'm gonna be showing up them be there buying bar shots and you know, randomly singing every now and then. But it's not in a deal. It's just gonna be what I what I do with it. And if I go in, you know, to any kind of brand thing that i'll I wanted to, I want to give it my all and let them know that I'm enjoying this. I want y'all here.

00:40:08
Speaker 2: Do you feel comfortable in your skin now as an artist and that you feel if you do anything it's okay now.

00:40:16
Speaker 1: Uh, no, not you mean anything, well.

00:40:19
Speaker 2: Anything you want to do, Like do you feel like because again, you're some of your music at times it has been a little more rock. It's still country, but still a little more rock, landing at times different sonic elements. I think you've had versions, different versions, Like do you feel like it doesn't matter what you put out? Like you're you don't have to like maintain some sort of country music standard anymore.

00:40:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel a little bit more freely of I can just be me. But I think it's just now happening this year, which is crazy. I know I've released some stuff back in the day, I mean even like Miles on It one thing right that's on Grand that are you know, completely left field, but they worked and so for me it was a it was I was nervous releasing those, but the fans showed me that it shouldn't be. And so now, uh, this year was going through therapy and just being older, I guess, and maturing and it's just I'm really excited for the record I'm working on.

00:41:16
Speaker 2: Now, what are your five best songs? One through five?

00:41:19
Speaker 1: Couldn't tell you have to though I know and.

00:41:22
Speaker 2: Mostly someone would say that, I'd be like, all right, we'll pivot off, but I'm really gonna hold you to this right now today. What are your five favorite Cane Brown songs?

00:41:28
Speaker 1: Number One All, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna do like what I like to perform live. I guess love performing miles on it. I don't know if it's just because it's fresh still to everybody. Uh, Barry me and Georgia, Thank God. I really want to say learning, then, why don't you. I'm gonna say learning, just because I feel like that's the most My most story. Five would be I think of I'm gonna say one thing right because I had the most to do with that song, and I think that was my first time reaching outside of the genre to another artist and really my first boundary push.

00:42:33
Speaker 2: When you're and your wife did the song together, did she have any trepidation? Was she nervous about doing that or was she nervous about what people would say, Oh, it's just Kane Brown's wife.

00:42:41
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're nervous with a voice like that.

00:42:43
Speaker 2: No, no, no doubt. She could sing. I just think some people didn't know she could sing until.

00:42:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think she had a problem with that. She was she was nervous to get in the studio because she hadn't been in the studio for so long. And then and then when we did get in the studio, it was just me her and Dan uh Huff, which is massive producer but such a sweetheart, so he really got her through it. But I think that was the only thing she was nervous about. She's she's more nervous of just the performance on stage because she has really bad anxiety. So it's it's really sweet. But it's funny because a lot of times people be like God, they have such good chemistry on stage, and she's just holding on to me so she didn't pass out. But no, it's just it's it's it is so cool. Uh that just she gets to do that with me, and the fans love it and uh fun fact we are uh and I don't I don't really like facts like this, but we're the only other couple to have a number one a country radio other than Tim and Faith.

00:43:45
Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, my question was going to be about that, because you record it, that's cool, big deal, goes on a record, big deal, But then when you make it the single. That's a really big deal because then it exists and there's an effort to make it a number one song by your label, and it wasn't number one song easily, but then you have to go perform it, like all of that happens. Like was that a conversation with her, like do you want to be a part of a single?

00:44:11
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think it wasn't a conversation. I just told her, let go just once you do this, it's going to radio. And then I think she was okay with it. She might have been nervous, but she didn't act like it. I think her most thing is just getting ready for one song because she it takes like like two hours to.

00:44:28
Speaker 2: Get Swear to God. I was thinking about that watching a video once I said. I was like, I feel so bad for Caitlin because I think she's getting ready and she goes in, does one song on stage and has to come off and then but she looks great, but it takes and close or expensive. That's always what I think.

00:44:43
Speaker 1: It was a whole stylist for it, and yeah, she looks amazing though, But that's why I'm trying to get We're trying to get more music. We had a body Talk come out, so we did do two songs, and then we have a third one that we just hadn't added to the set. So I'm trying to get another another song for on this album.

00:44:58
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00:45:14
Speaker 2: What's in your algorithm right now?

00:45:18
Speaker 1: Boxing a lot of comedy stuff.

00:45:24
Speaker 2: Hey, who's the funniest person? I just had this conversation. I'll go first to give you time to think because I'm hogging it, but I'm gonna ask the question. I'll go first. Sometimes people yell at me, they're like, you talk too much. It's like no, I want them to have time to think of a good answer. So that's what I'm gonna do. If you were to do your mount rushmore of the funniest people alive, who would it be. It's hard. I'm gonna give you mine, but you pay no attention to what I'm saying. I give you time to think of yours. On my list, I have Ricky Gervais. He created the original Office, British office obviously the American office. But he is so cuttingly funny and does not dgaf at all think he's hilarious. At number two, My favorite all time stand up comic is Chris Rock. Like to watch those old specials, it made me wish I was black so I could laugh harder because I thought it was I was like, this is the great this is the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. Chris Rock to me, the funniest doing comedy music, Adam Sandler, because when I was a kid who heard the comedy music records, I was like, this is you can do this. And then Mark Norman, who's a comedian now, who is so freaking funny. I found him on TikTok, but he's a big comedian, got a Netflix special. That guy makes me laugh so hard because again he's one of these guys who you can't cancel him because he doesn't have an entity that he works for, and that to me is funny. So that would be my mount rushmore of the funniest people that I feel right now I filled some space. Hopefully you now have the four funniest people alive.

00:46:49
Speaker 1: The four funniest people I don't even know. I would say I gotta put Will Ferrell in there. Ever met him, never I'm gonna put Gary Owens.

00:47:04
Speaker 2: That guy's so funny.

00:47:06
Speaker 1: I love Gary.

00:47:07
Speaker 2: I can say why it's funny, right because he's a white guy doing mostly black.

00:47:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a black guy basically.

00:47:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny. And I grew up in a town that wasn't all white like, and so that guy doing that makes me laugh so hard because there were guys in my high school that was like that, and like everybody's like, yeah, cool, all good, Yeah, he's funny. What else?

00:47:27
Speaker 1: Yet he's so funny to me. I'm gonna say, I'll say, I'll say Jim Carrey and I need one more. I love. I mean, I guess it's just started my time. But it's between Eddie Murphy and uh, it's between Eddie Murphy and probably Kevin Heart. Kevin just in my time right now?

00:48:02
Speaker 2: Do you know Kevin Hart?

00:48:04
Speaker 1: No walk past my cold times was like the President walked past me. It was crazy, eight security guards like nuts.

00:48:12
Speaker 2: I ever met Michael Jordan?

00:48:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I have I go and play his course for my birthday. Every here for a birthday trip. So it's we've got to the point where he just comes up to him and dats me. Now, it's pretty crazy.

00:48:25
Speaker 2: That's pretty crazy.

00:48:26
Speaker 1: My friend Kenny, he so he came up and said, what's up, Kay, have birthday? Shook my hand. My boy Kenny ran over right after he drove off and just started grabbing my hand, touching it one degree.

00:48:35
Speaker 2: He touched Michael Jordan one degree. What's what's like, what's on your mind?

00:48:40
Speaker 1: What's on my mind?

00:48:41
Speaker 2: It's on your mind?

00:48:42
Speaker 1: And I'm just uh, just happy. I'm excited for Like the last four years is kind of like a shell for me.

00:48:48
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?

00:48:49
Speaker 1: Like just did it? Like I didn't know if I wanted music anymore?

00:48:56
Speaker 2: You know, are you getting burnt out?

00:48:58
Speaker 1: Not necessarily burnt out? I think I was just like I was just trying to please their own people. You know, I wasn't doing anything for me. I was doing it just to people pleaser. I'm like, I don't want to do that no more. Just need to worry about my fans, which is what I did like day one, and have fun. And I got to this point where I was just like I have a name now, Kane Brown, blah blah blah blah blah, Like you can't post anything that makes you look not cool and so that's why if you go look at all my social media posts now, I'm generally having fun posting and they're working. So just getting back to me feel myself. But this is my first year ever talking to a therapist as well. And he made me sit down and find my inner child that I was like protecting. Dude, I broke down. It was crazy.

00:49:49
Speaker 2: Have you done the thing where you put a picture of yourself up as a kid and talk to it?

00:49:53
Speaker 1: So, same concept, but instead he made me pick a stuffed animal, which I it's gonna sound kind of crazy, but I pick the monkey and put in front of me, and I don't know what it was. It was just like this energy. And then he made me switch seats and he said, now, as a kid, what would you tell your older self now? And bro, I lost it. I was like, you're doing great, man, you're doing great.

00:50:25
Speaker 2: I did the same thing, same exact thing happened. I don't know how you are in private. I don't. I don't cry really a lot in public or personally, and not because it's a to me, it's not a masculinitything. It's a vulnerability thing because coming from where I come from, you couldn't be weak. I couldn't be weak. I gotta get out, I gotta protect, I gotta so It's never like I'm a dude who can cry. It's like I have to be strong. I can't be weak. If I'm weak, I lose. That's how I felt. I'm breaking that cycle now. But put up a picture of me as a kid, did the same thing. I thought it was stupid for about I don't know, eight to ten seconds. I thought until I lost it and I was like, there's no way I'm gonna go. And then it's I do the thing where if and when I cry like I physically I started doing that, I can't even talk.

00:51:18
Speaker 1: My face gets read.

00:51:19
Speaker 2: That was it, and then I switched seats. And then I just now recently start to feel like if I were a kid, I would think I was cool, m And I think that's real for me. I think that's real growth because there's a lot of times I think I've really hated myself for a long time for many reasons. But now I think if I met a twelve year old me, I think that kid would think I was cool. And I like that about me. Do you think that about you?

00:51:50
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? But and another you know, just in here talking to you. This is really good for us, by the way, you know what I'm saying.

00:51:59
Speaker 2: White say that I under saying.

00:52:00
Speaker 1: I've been trying to I feel like because we started out on a rocky age, like when we've been friends long since then, Yeah, but we still haven't had got to sit down and have a conversation. You know, I'm like, come in, talk about a single yad.

00:52:14
Speaker 2: I'm not because I've had to pay you money from golf and you've had to hold up a golf like we've done the golf course together.

00:52:21
Speaker 1: But I guess you really don't didn't talk.

00:52:23
Speaker 2: You're right because there are other guys around. And I remember looking at you thinking, I sho would like to hug him, but I didn't because there are other people around. Yeah, yeah, this is nice. It is nice. All ry, go ahead.

00:52:31
Speaker 1: So where were we?

00:52:34
Speaker 2: You were talking about how good looking I am, and I appreciated that I'm not really a model, not known as a model, but for you to say that, no, it was we're talking therapy. And I said, I thought that me, as a kid, would think that cool.

00:52:46
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't. I don't look at myself like I mean, yeah, if I was a kid, I would I would hope I would think I was cool. But for me, oh yeah, that's what I was gonna say, so as talking to you, Like, for me, I don't when people are like, oh, you're Kane Brown, like you should be so happy and YadA, yad YadA, it's like for me, I kind of don't. I don't. I beat myself up more than the worst hater, could you know what I mean? I'm a perfectionist, So every time I walk off stage, I'm like, it wasn't good enough, And I always you know, ask my team like I was it and I used to not, which is good? Which is it's now? It's good to me because that cares back for the longest or the last four years, I've just been whatever. Whatever happens happens. So that's why I really like this year and hopefully moving forward, I can keep it like this because I'm to a point now where I care.

00:53:44
Speaker 2: Do you like yourself?

00:53:45
Speaker 1: Yeah? I like myself a lot, but when I you know, for the reading comments makes me feel like I'm the biggest douchebag in the world.

00:53:56
Speaker 2: You know, it's I dude, I swear to god, I'm so happy you say that I was just saying to someone recently who's in a space similar to what we are. I said, if it weren't from my brain, I would think I was a most hated person on earth because everything that I possibly could read about me is bad. It makes me feel like everybody hates me, Like I if I were just going by what I consumed and like what my feelings were, I feel like everybody hates me. It takes my brain to weigh in and go, hey, man, here's let's look at the data. Because if not, like I can spiral into nobody likes me what I do and I'm not worthy. And luckily I have a wife now that we'll say all of this stuff as much as it matters, it doesn't matter, meaning all this cameras and microphones, and she's you know, with her, it's been a there are things that matter, and your career matters, and it got you out of a a bad place and you've been able to help a lot of others because of that. But when it comes to what you're valuing at times, she's been able to write me on I think I value at times like what sentiment is towards me, which isn't even right, by the way, but it's been a real reality check of what matters and what doesn't. Like humans, because I didn't have like humans that I would allow to like get into me until I met my wife. I wonder if you had that.

00:55:27
Speaker 1: Yeah you're saying like you just kind of like shut down.

00:55:29
Speaker 2: Yeah that or I just I didn't. I didn't have like a real relationship with a human.

00:55:34
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't either. I just now kind of started to this past year. Just like people in my life. They'd walk in my house, my wife, you know, all Chipperhi could see, I wouldn't say hey, I wouldn't say bye. I won't say anything. So other than like my friends from high.

00:55:50
Speaker 2: School, then you get a Twitter fight with them the next thing.

00:55:53
Speaker 1: You know.

00:55:56
Speaker 2: Man, I'm glad to hear you're in like a healthy place because I'm in a healthy place and I really like it. I like as a person. Because this isn't recording. We were just warming up. We're about to start. Now we're gonna start. The first question. I liked that song. I love country music. Would'd you write that one?

00:56:13
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:56:14
Speaker 2: Right, I do like that song though.

00:56:16
Speaker 1: Now that song, Yeah, that sounds cool. Are we talking about that song though.

00:56:19
Speaker 2: We don't have to. I just I played it the other day. I was doing like a thing on the air like that song is fun because it just like that's fun one. You don't like that one?

00:56:31
Speaker 1: Love it? That's what we start the show with this year.

00:56:33
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good one. Keep that one.

00:56:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:56:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't put that in your top.

00:56:36
Speaker 1: Five though, Uh, well that one, that one, I will say just real quick, that one. I had that song and it just disappeared for two years. And then I was going through music and uh, we had cut it, and I heard the demo, the live or the version that we cut. We just it wasn't It didn't hit the same as the demo, so we went back and then it ended up making the album year or two years later.

00:57:01
Speaker 2: What it disappears? What does that mean?

00:57:02
Speaker 1: You know, you got We write so much music that eventually just gets down in the bottom of the barrel. If it don't do nothing for me, I forget about.

00:57:08
Speaker 2: It specifically song wise. You mentioned it earlier, But tell me about Woman.

00:57:14
Speaker 1: Yeah so woman, man. I so the normally, when you think of a song, you write it down immediately, and this one was not one of those and it hit me twice. So I was on my back porch and we had this. We have glass doors on the back porch and you can see in d our kitchen and our living room. So my boys on the back porch for me, and they're like, we're bored. It's nine o'clock, Like we should go to bars downtown. I said, well, I going to the bars man and they said, he says, let's just go, let's just do it. And uh, my one friend's single. He's like, yeah, man, I need a girlfriend anyway. Blah blah blah. So I looked through my back window and I see Kate in the kitchen and she's just cleaning up, getting ready for bed. And I thought to myself, many are sitting here talking about girls, but I got a woman. Fast forward a couple months later, I'm doing a writing retreat and we we wrote like seven songs and we're in that seventh song and I just get just like exhausted. I'm like, I'm checked out of this song. I don't want to finish it. So they I'm going to warm up my food just to kill time and hope they finished this last line. And as as I'm eating my food up. It hit me again. I'm like, they talking about girls, but I got a woman. And so I walked in and I toss, I think I got our next song to write. And it was Ashley Gorly and Ben Johnson, Taylor Phillips and John Byron and I just I told them that line and they said, bro, where did this come from? I said, I was just warming up my turkey and it hit me and we wrote that song and afterwards actually was like, Yo, we're not writing anymore today. And once we got the song back from demo, I said, this is this is it. This is my single. And when I when I first got started, I followed my gut, like my gut is what got me where I'm at today, and that I haven't felt it in those all those years I've been telling you, but I just lost it. I couldn't find it. It hit me with that song and it just gave me the fire back under me to start writing again and just to get my creativeness out of I've been like for the last ten years, I haven't been able to get my creativeness out because people have been limiting what I can do because I've been in this this no offense love country music. But I've been in this country box, and I know I have released outside of that stuff, but that's limited to me wanting to dance, me wanting to bring dancers. That stuff's not done in country music. But just imagine if it was and I got to be who I want to be. I've been. I've been trying to protect myself from what people want to say. So that's why I'm really excited for this album in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven because I'm just whatever. I'm just doing it.

00:59:53
Speaker 2: When the album's ready, let's do it again.

00:59:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I'm excited.

00:59:57
Speaker 2: It's a bit while right, Yeah, summer fall.

01:00:01
Speaker 1: My mom's birthday.

01:00:02
Speaker 2: That's been good. Man Like seriously. I also I want to go I want to go see your car. So we're going to cut this.

01:00:07
Speaker 1: Let's all right.

01:00:08
Speaker 2: There he is the lovely Cane Brown. Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production