Game Mess Mornings 11/02/23

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Let's do this for November second, twenty twenty three. For the next hour
or so, let me help you sort through the world of gaming and Game
Mess Mornings Live with me Jeff Grubb. Today, God of War may get
an expand alone, and Sega is ready to wait until Sonic is bigger than
Mario. But first please join me and welcoming today's co host the Game Mess
Mornings. It's Jana Choa. Everybody, jan how are you doing? I'm
doing great. Jeff Bob was in town, caught dinner with Chef Bob a
good deal. Shouts out to Chef Bob, his friends Brian and Emily,
who are now my friends and they have no choice about that. Oh so
sweet. That's great. What you guys say? Would you guys end up
beaten? We had Burmese food. I've only had Burmese food a couple times.
I strongly recommend get a good tea salad if you can wherever you're at.
Very crunchy, it is not It is not friendly to folks with teeth
or gum problems. Oh okay, you gotta really, you gotta work for
this food. Huh yeah, yeah, it's like eating a It's like eating
trail mix. Okay, malicious. I hate I like eating trail mix.
So I'm down. Uh. I was watching Ghostbusters too the other night.
Yeah, they live in New York City and they're like talking about what to
get for dinner, and they were just like listing off every cuisine you could
think of. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's that's what living in
a major city is. Like, you could just say anything and there's probably
gonna be a restaurant within ten minutes of you that serves that. So hey,
Cleveland's got a lot of good food, but not like that. Not
definitely not like that. I definitely noticed when I went to Chicago is a
lot more like that than it is here. So like I gottantly spoiled.
Yeah, I gotta make the best of it when I'm in those towns.
To what I'm realizing. So that means you know what it means, cheesecake
factory every night, baby, let's gore we go, yeah, grub you
you know where I was earlier this week again, that was on the table.
Oh really? Uh you know someone are our close colleague and I were
like, should we just go now I should it not without not without me?
Of course not. Of course you minati star. That's where I bend
star. Yes, oh man, Well next time, next time we have
a chance, we'll make cheesecake factory happen. Of course. Uh it's Jane.
How was in fucking November? I don't stop saying that. It's saying
deeply upsetting. I can't like we were going through October. I'm like,
all right, spooky game month. I'll catch you on Rezievel four. I'll
do all these other spooky games. I'll start, I'll do some personal streams.
None of that happened because by the time I realized, like, okay,
what's big it happen, it's like, hey, tomorrow's Halloween. I'm
like, oh my god, but uh it really is flying by? Is
this is this the rest of my life? Janet? Is time going to
go this fast for the rest of my life? Am I just going to
be dead very soon? That happened? Asking me because I'm coming to terms
with my own mortality and the speed of life. At the same time,
it's because it seems better if I say it as a question rather than screaming
it as a fear of reality at you. But uh, we're all going
through it together, right, I think we are all going through it together.
I was like, you know in the pandemic, right, it was
it was that flew by because every day was the same, so there was
no way to make new memories and stuff like that. But I'm like,
Okay, so we'll try to do a bunch of different stuff. We do
different stuff all the time, and yet it just flies by. So oh
well, at least that means we get to the cool video games faster.
I'm like, oh, I can't wait to get the Super Mario RPG.
And I'd say, well, maybe maybe time could slow down a little bit
for me. Let's explain what we do here everybody most weekdays, I Jeff
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get into, so let's start the morning mess with. There's a rumor that
God of War Ragnarok is getting DLC and an announcement may come by the end
of the year. This is from Ben Leon at Game Reactor. Now that
the Norse chapter of Crados's life is seemingly in the books, many have been
wondering what's next for the Ghost of Sparta. It seems like this could be
known relatively soon as now Aria excuse me a area, Oh my god,
Area, who NOAs this must be a Forumn website that I haven't heard of,
but people are taking it pretty seriously has published a report that states that
God of War Ragnarok may be getting DLC and that it will be announced by
the end of this year. The report suggests that the DLC is set to
be a mid sized project, similar to that of Spider Man Miles Morales,
but as this has yet to be affirmed, there's no direct comp information of
that. As for when the announcement could come, it's thought that it would
be a could be we could be hearing more about it around the time of
the Game Awards, which would be my assumption as well. Jan, How
does this sound to you? Because to me this sounds pretty good. Yeah.
I forget where we were talking about God of War recently, but the
idea of a third game in this current series, I guess sounds absolutely exhausting.
Yes, and I know that, you know, we all have that
open world fatigue. But Spider Man two is absolutely amazing, but it's it's
a completely different game, right, Yeah, So with God of War,
just like, uh, I don't know if I can handle Krados's sadness,
but in a bite sized thing similar to like Miles Morales, this does sound
super appealing. And also like Miles Morales, maybe you don't plays Credos.
Yeah, yeah, that's a possibility. Right. So, I don't know
if it's a great idea. I don't know if that's what the fans want.
And when I say that, I'm not like I don't know if the
fans want that. I'm saying I literally don't know if that's what the fans
want or not. I'm not tapped in enough to that fantom to know.
I think coming out of God of War Ragnarok that people there's some characters that
people would be like, no, that, of course you could play as
them. That would be fun. Credos is just such the face of Sony
right now to me that it's like that seems like it could be a difficult
thing to pull off. But again, I don't know, I do have
I can imagine what I think would be pretty cool here is if you do
still play as Credos and they are they have a good idea of what's going
to be in the next real God of War after this, having a small
like interstitial set of gods that you could play around with that that isn't going
to be like, oh well, we have to make that makes sense over
two massive games or something like that, you know, and like if it's
like a road trip movie sort of thing, we're like, okay, we're
going from here to there, what are the kinds of gods we might encounter
and just be like, oh, I don't know, like Pacific Islander gods
as you travel to some other part of the world. Like that could be
really cool. Yeah. I could see them even doing maybe like a flashback
or something or retelling of the original three games, sure, and then just
doing that under you know, with the new combat system and everything. I
feel like that would also be really entertaining. It's a good point that could
do it, like, not like as strict flashbacks, but in a flashback
style where like a god is causing Credos to remember this or to actually travel
back in time and doing the highlights of some of those games. That could
be very cool. Yeah, and that's how you could potentially, I don't
know, re onboard people that maybe missed the twenty eighteen got a War and
Ragnarok get them back in for the rich lore of Credos killing more gods.
Also, I could see them going with like a different character. Yeah,
I think so. Maybe maybe they could pull the Last of Us two and
like set up like an antagonist or like an anti hero to Credos that common
where you know, you're hunting Crados or he plays the Arbiter from Halo two
for some reason. Yeah, or you play as a platinum blonde dude with
a cool sword. Yeah, it's a complete misdirect. There's a there's a
lot of fun stuff they could do basically, And I'm not someone who is
super into those God of War games. I have nothing against them. It's
not like my Red Dead Redemption two thing where I'm like, red Redemption,
you two, here's why I think that's a bad game, and I'm being
a stick in the butt on that stuff. I get it. But with
God of War, it's like, no, that one's just not for me.
That's okay, that's allowed, there's no problem there. But it's still
fun to think about. It's a really cool setup of like this guy going
and killing a bunch of gods. There's so much you can do with that
that I do get excited about the proposition of not having to wait a full
you know, five six seven years at this point for a brand new sort
of secondary a second tier reboot of what they're gonna have to do here where
it's like, okay, no, we got a game that works, but
we are gonna have to reset a lot of things, rethink a lot of
things, and set things up again, and that might take a little bit
longer these days. So giving themselves the permission to scale down and do a
mid size game in this in this series, I think that's that's the right
thing to do, right right, And I'm sure there's also stuff that got
left on the cutting room floor of both games that they would have loved to
incorporate into either game or will eventually incorporate to like the third game that is
probably not fully built out, but like at least conceptualized. Yeah, more
mid size games, more MIDSI I listen. I love the expand alone the
idea of, hey, we did all this work to make this really huge
game, and therefore it had to be really expansive and really big and really
long and have too much stuff in a lot of ways, and then being
like, okay, and then we spend so much money on that that we're
going to take a lot of that work and put it into something that is
a more condensed version of that and sell it to you. Again. That's
I think the a lot like back in the day people are like, that's
lazy. I think today people are like, give that to me. For
one, we understand how much work this is, and two it means it's
less work for us to get to the fun stuff you put in your game.
And I mean it worked really well with Miles Morales just the pinnacle of
that. But you know, Sony's had a lot of luck with this is
what's the uncharted one that everyone likes. I'm yeah, I'm never gonna be
able to remember off the top of my head. But people really like that,
So yeah, do a ton more of that. Thank you, Googly
Lost Legacy, Thank you everyone. I know that we pooh pooh on the
Horizon franchise a lot. I would be so down for mid sized one of
those, exactly. I would enjoy an expand alone of like a contained adventure
where you know, they're mildly holding me by the hand so I can enjoy
the lush visuals of these robit animals. And yeah, like I think I
could enjoy that versus having to deal with like a giant triple A game grubs.
Not enough time for that. Yeah, you know, for these the
biggest of these big games, it does feel like, well, I'm going
to get through this thing. I kind of got to make it my whole
thing for a couple of weeks, and I'm not in a good place in
my life where that's easy to do. And if I start to bounce off
the the the repulsive nature of it is so powerful these days. I'm like,
there's so much for me to go to. If you're going to push
me away even a little bit, my patience is going to be very low.
So again, I don't think these mid sized games solve so many those
problems for me. And it's not it's not like this is replacing the big
games in any way that could never work. So it's like the fact that
we get both of these things is the ideal. I think. So the
people who are huge fans of these get even more. And someone like me
contact the not Injustice in Infamous that that had a kind of an expand alone
at the beginning of one of these generations as well, and I played a
bunch of that and I hadn't played any of the other games, and I'm
like, that worked for me a Second Son. Maybe Second Son's a full
game in my head though it was an expand alone. So I'm was like,
yeah, this is easier to get into it even if it's like that.
But even if it is like that, I can convince myself they're like,
no, this is going to get into the fun even faster. So
it's like that it's such a powerful tool for people marketing games that I think
they should First Light Thank You, Thank You was Infamous first Light. Yeah,
So I just think that's such a good idea, and I'm glad that
Sony keeps going back to that, because I think it really works for their
games. Yeah, honestly, this trend of expand alone is really I really
enjoyed because it reminds me of minerve is Den and I absolutely adore nerve Den
and I never played Mindrvo's Den because it was not a standalone thing. That's
like a key part of this. I think you are going to make an
expansion these days, make it a standalone thing, because it totally can work
that way that basically you want the experience to feel that way. Any how,
I listen, Cyberpunk's going to get away with it. It's Cyberpunk that
fandom was going to show up for that, and I think it really worked
for that game, and it was part of the redemption story for that game.
But I bet if Phantom Liberty was standalone, I think there's a chance
it could have done even better and they could have sold it for like ten
dollars more and all this stuff. But uh, yeah, either way,
I think this is this is pretty cool. Do you think that that for
Sony they can make this work to the point where it's like, you know,
this should be our key strategy instead of trying to do a bunch of
these games as a service games, because like, leaning more into their core
competency does seem like the solution to me. I just don't know if that's
enough, there's enough money in that. I suppose, I don't know.
I think Sony has to embrace that they are the Tom Cruise of video games.
I like this. Tom Cruise is not going to do an A twenty
four film. He is not going to do a Blumhouse film. He's not
going to do some indie feature. That dude is always going to do the
Triple A blockbuster. Yeah, that is his lane. That's what he knows
he wants to do and can do. And you know what crews can eventually
go and do, like the small bit rolls that are just fun and goofy.
And that's what Sony does incredibly well as well, when they get weird
and do small projects or fun small projects. So you know, get out
of your head, Sony. I was gonna say, Jim Ryan, but
it's not Jim anymore. Many Jim's on his way at Jim's just kicking back,
ready to go hang out in all of Europe his home. All right,
let's move along here. Set up images confirm that the new PS five's
disk drive does require online pairing before use. This is from Andy Robinson at
VGC. Images claiming to show the setup process of the new PlayStation five console
have seemingly confirmed a one off Internet connection will be required to pair its new
detachable disk drive. The images were published on social media by a user who
managed to obtain the new PS five hardware before it's release date. The user
later deleted the images, likely to avoid action for Sony, but not before
they spread widely across Twitter. The setup process of the new console appears to
confirm that a one off internet connect. I'm just reading the same thing again.
This story speculates, and I think this is probably right, that this
is a security measure. In the past, the disk drive has been a
point of vulnerability for people trying to do homebrew on their consoles, where you're
like, hey, you swapping this other. I mean, I remember I
took my Xbox three sixty to a guy on Craigslist to have this done.
So, yes, this is the thing. Yeah, yeah, totally.
This is a thing that has happened in the past, and then now these
days you can get them emulated disk drives that are just SD cards. Things
and you put those in old consoles and you have every game on your disk
drive based systems. Sony obviously mindful of piracy, so this is definitely something
that they would want to control. The concern is the long term, the
long term prospect for this. If you know, Sony turns off those servers
and then some finds a PS five and wants to like fix their disk drive,
are they going to have an option to get that working. As as
we understand this, it seems like they might not. And yet at the
same time, Jan I have a hard time getting worked up about this one.
People are talking about like, oh, Sony kind of being i mean,
arrogant or or being really strict about this stuff, and I'm just like,
I get it. I get why they do this, and the reason
I'm not like too worried about it is the community. The home Brew sine
usually usually always does find some way in and around these things, and it's
almost like the circle of life to me at a certain point, I'm like,
that's just the way it is. I don't know, how do you
feel about it? Yeah? I kind of feel similarly, mostly because I
myself wouldn't get a disk drive for a PS five, just because I've edited
digital version two. So yes, that's true for me as well. I'm
always connected to the internet as is. Yeah, I know that that this
is just a one time internet to connected. When the thing first gets connected,
that's it. So I can't I can't see it being that big of
an issue. I completely understand, and I think the homebrew community, as
you said, is very resourceful that they'd eventually find a way around all of
this. Yeah, I mean, I guess. I guess it's a shame
that they that we have to rely on that, but right that's been my
whole life, so I'm just that is I'm used to that, that is
who. That is the people I do rely on, So I'm kind of
I'm gonna continue doing that. And that means these companies are going to keep
being weird about these things and putting up these these weird roadblocks, and I'm
hoping that an MBG like guy will come along and explain, like, and
here's how homebrew hackers eventually got around that in a video ten years from now,
and I'll watch that video and be like, Wow, that's really cool.
I also just like, who is this who he's worried about? This
like, name's Turbo Sean. He's in chat, and I'll tell you he's
gonna tell me all about it eventually. I think that dirty pirate. Yeah,
that's right, that's what he almost certainly this is about him scallion being
a rab scallion. Uh so, well be pirate stole things. Yeah.
I again, I'm not if people are upset about this, I'm I don't
think that's I think they're right. I'm just saying I personally have a hard
time sure getting worked up about it. Yeah, all right, so we
bring your PS five to a McDonald's first. Yeah, there you go exactly.
I mean, I don't think anyone's too worried about like the initial check.
Everyone is imagining this thing like down the line. I'm sure there are
very specific examples that people have of how this is going to be frustrating to
them. But it's just hard for me to imagine, because again, that's
not the where I'm where I'm operating from. All right, we're gonna take
a break when we get back. I got a lot more news. There's
a date for the Pokemon DLC. Sega is talking some wild Ship. We
know who Warriors voice actor is and all that we'll get to all of it
right after this. Yo, We're back and we're ready to attack you.
With the news, Pokemon Scarlet and Violets the Indigo Disc DLC gets a December
release date. This is from Tom Ivan at VGC. The Pokemon Company has
confirmed a release date for the concluding part of the Pokemon Scarlet and Violet expansion,
The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero, Part two. The Indigo Disc,
will launch on December fourteenth, twenty twenty three, it was announced today.
The two part expansion was revealed in February, and part one, The Till
Mask, was released in September at thirty five dollars. The Hidden Treasure of
Area Zero ceazed players dventure beyond the Peldea region, which is the setting of
Scarlet and Violet, the first open world RPGs in the Pokemon series. Part
two, The Indigo Disc transfers players from a Neuranja Academy to its sister school,
Blueberry Academy. Unlike Neuranga Academy, with its long and rich history,
this school was only recently established and as a focus on teaching Pokemon battles.
What's unique about Blueberry Academy is that a large part of it is actually in
the sea Jan Jan, buddy going, uh going back in? Chance,
any chance you're going back in. So it was either last week or two
weeks ago. I had the temptation to get back into uh Pokemon battling,
just because a bunch of you know, new rules had had dropped in,
a bunch of new Pokemon that I hadn't really had my eyes on. We're
being utilized in the modern format. And then I thought like, okay,
cool, you know what, maybe I'll give it a shot. Maybe I'll
bust out the pokemons again. I'll dust off the old gym, open it
up for business again. And I started playing the bass game again, Grub,
and then I realized it's absolute dog shit that I can't bring myself to
try and even breed or collect Pokemon in this game because it pains me Grub
after playing games like Spider Man two, Alan Wake two, Here's the Kingdom,
even I can't bring myself to play this mess. Is it still the
the tech stuff? Do you recognize a good game underneath the problems? Or
is there do you have like issues like it's just not fun even when you
look past that stuff, or is it just impossible to look past it.
I think it's impossible to look past it. I remember when when we saw
stuff for the the last delC that dropped. I believe there was another DEALC
that dropped, and we were getting even worse animations and even worse performance.
That is just it's just abysmal. And then you you you play something,
you boot up something like Star Ocean second story two and that looks absolutely gorgeous,
and it's like game pre can you can you go over there? Learn
learn from those guys, please please please? And I don't know, like
the the I I realized and I completely recognize that I come to Pokemon for
a very different reason than a lot of the other audience goes to Pokemon for.
I don't go to collect I don't go over shiny hunting. I go
specifically because I want to fight. I'm the Shamus of Pokemon. You're a
fighter, exactly. And it's just the means to even get there is just
so difficult that it pains me inside. And I know that you could do
rental teams and everything, but I just just give me, just let me
pick stats, dog, just just let me pick that one. Give me
that nature. That's your IVS. That's your set, these are your moves.
I don't want to go through the whole rigmarole of having to breed a
very hyper specific line so you can get one move right. Yes, yeah,
that I mean, especially if that's how you're playing. That does seem
uh frustrated, especially if you're going through a bunch of what looks like pretty
bad game in terms in terms of visuals and tech. Can I ask you're
playing Showdown? I, oh, okay, Pokemon, what's Pokemon Showdown?
It's a Pokemon Showdown, is a web based it was going to beat okay
exactly. And then the neat thing is you can do exactly what I just
said. Yeah, there's different formats, different generations. There's random and it's
all different tools, uh tool set where you can also get super granular into
like okay, this is how much damage this would do. This is how
much I would get boosted. This is how much it's doing to the other
opponent. And also it's like you could do doubles, you can do singles.
It's great, It's fantastic, real quick. I want to crack myself.
Nuranja Nuranjaurana. You never you never know when they're going to do the
hard j or the Okay, maybe you do. Now what's an ivy.
I've literally always wondered this. So an ivy I always miss uh informed people
about this as well. But an ivy are hidden stats available to specific your
attack, special attack, et cetera, et cetera, based off of breeding
in their nature. So one, no, no pikachu is the same.
Okay, Pikachu's will have different values. Okay, it's stat potential. Uh
and it's so this gives you a reason to find another Pikachu after your first
Pikachu keep things interesting before. Oh I got one, So now I don't
have to engage with any part of the collecting part of the game, exactly
exactly the It is incredibly unethical when you think about it, like, hey,
here's the first Pikachu I ever got. Wow, look at that.
Yeah no, throw them in the fucking trash. Yeah yeah, don't use
all part of the Pikachu's. No way, use no part of the Pikachu.
Throw him in the fucking recycling bin. All right, let's let's get
on to Sega, who's just having a go of it. Sega's first super
game is making steady progress still targeting twenty twenty six release date. This is
from Liam Dulan at Nintendo Life. Remember that Super game Sega was working on
well. According to Sega's latest report, it's still aiming to have it out
by fiscal year ending March twenty twenty six. Sega also provided a brief progress
update revealing the team is making steady headway and development of the super game,
and goes on to reiterate how it will be a major title that scales globally
and aims to stand head and shoulders above normal games. It sounds they sound
like in a cult military leader from like a movie, where like we are
making a super Soljia, it's a super game. It's this is weird.
I still think this is very weird. One other goal that's been mentioned before
is to create a game that attracts the entire gaming ecosystem, from players and
streamers to viewers. A previous report from the company mentioned how it wanted the
super game to be something so revolutionary it would attract more users than any other
project it's ever worked on. Jan I think this is a admirable goal to
have as a company. I think at the same time, there's a reason
most other companies don't set out to make something that Sega describes as a super
game, because it's very difficult to tell what is going to be something so
popular and so attractive that it's gonna be cool that everyone's going to be into
it. Though there's a reason those games almost always come out of weird early
access stuff on Steam and occasionally on mobile, because it's a bunch of like
small developers experimenting with ideas that they don't know are going to work, but
they can just play around with and then suddenly it's the biggest thing in the
world. And that doesn't usually it doesn't even come out of like the companies
that do have a lot of time to experiment, like Nintendo like that,
they haven't had new ideas like that very frequently. If ever, they just
kind of make really good versions of their games and occasionally have a new IP
that they mess around with, and the new ips are very infrequent. So
I'm skeptical that this is going to work, and yet I'm very curious to
see the results and see how like see because if this works, it could
revolutionize how games get made, Like if a big company could be like,
no, we are going to set out to make the biggest thing in the
world and actually accomplish it, and if Sega can do it or take two,
we should be able to do it as well. I hope it works
out. I'm just I don't think it's going to I don't know, how
do you feel about it? I just can't imagine what it would look like
coming out of Sega. And you know, the bigger of a company you
are talked about this on the BombCast, it is exponentially harder to be super
fluid to adapt to any type of conditions. Yeah, culturally or economically,
right, yes, and we I don't know if I have the confidence in
Sega, mostly because of the Hyenas project getting canceled, and you know that
team saying like this is one of the biggest funded games or projects at Sega.
That being said, you know, I'm all about optimism. Let's go.
I want to be wrong in this instance. I just can't see it.
Yeah. See in Chad Crubtch' just like, what if we could make
a game that everyone in the world buys. It's like, yeah, that's
a pretty good strategy. I guess why didn't anyone else ever think of that?
Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure Sony should think about that as well.
Microsoft would love that. It's incredible. Doet everyone wants to buy?
Huh yeah, it's just it's it took us so long to even consider that
as a possibility, But finally Sega's here to deliver on the truth of the
best kind of game, a super game. I'm trying to see if they
talk about the project budget, let's see. The company CEO Haruki Satomi also
talked about the project's financial potential last year, mentioning how it could possibly bank
beyond one hundred billion yen, which would be over six hundred and seventy million
US dollars in its lifetime. So okay, that's I mean, if that's
what we're talking about, that's not like some impossible thing. That's not Most
games don't do that for sure. But the biggest games are making billion or
two billion dollars, so they're not even set in their sites that high.
Everyone in the world's gonna buy this. A lot of people are going to
return it though, so maybe six hundred and seventy million dollars. Goodek,
you want to get too hot, you know, you want to stay humble,
So like not everyone has to buy this or return a couple of yes
exactly, Hey, good luck, Saga. I continue to be very curious,
so show that off whenever you get a chance. I guess wanting to
make a super game that everyone plays sounds like a better goal than infinite growth.
Yeah sure right, yeah, like lead from the point of we want
this game to be so fucking cool people can't ignore it, as opposed to
we made this much money last year, we need to make more next year,
so do something like that feels creatively bankrupt, and wanting to make a
game that's super appealing somehow feels a little bit better than that. Inside of
all this Sega talking about super game stuff, it doesn't even come close to
the wildest thing the company has said this week. Sega has also said they
want to catch up to Mario and then surpass him. This is from my
Nintendo News. Sega has published a new interview with Osamu Osamu Ohashi division manager
and Sachiko Kawamura, General manager of design, in which they discussed the Sonic
brand and its future. When asked how they want to grow the Sonic series
in the future, he says that the character and games were created to compete
with Mario, and they admit they have yet to achieve that. However,
the goal has not gone away. Mister Ohashi says that the goal with the
future of Sonic is to catch up to Mario and to eventually surpass him.
Here's what he said of Via and then there was this is translated, so
here we go and translated using machine learning. To put it simply, I
want to surpass Mario. Sonic was originally developed to compete with Mario, and
we have yet to achieve that. Because we respect Mario, our goal is
to catch up to and surpass him. We want Sonic to be played all
over the world, including Japan, just like Mario, and we want we
want the movie to be a bigger hit than Mario. That is our goal
as Sonic lovers. Good luck, good luck, Hey yeah, yeah,
you go get them, Jim Yeah yeah again, admirable goals out of Sega.
What can we say, you know, like, hey, I can't
even hate. Yeah, it's nice to want things. Yeah, you know
what, I want the same thing for China. Body, yes, exactly,
to one day surpass Mario. Know exactly what do you associate with video
games? Mario or jomp Joe, Giant Bomb. Giant Bomb. Oh yeah,
yeah, Mario? Who you mean Mario? Mario? You talking about
Mario? Yeah, hey, it's not gonna happen ever. But but that
doesn't mean that shouldn't be your aim. I think this is cool honestly,
that they're out there just saying it. Listen, we we we started this
whole thing to beat Mario. We're gonna be real with you. That's why
we made Sonic the way we made Sonic. We made him fast because Mario
was slow. And like that. There's a history of that in in a
lot of places where it does that does actually lead to success to overcome the
competition. Like stan Lee would always talk about if DC did one thing,
he would do the opposite and it would usually lead to success for Marvel,
and then DC would start copying what Marvel was doing. He's like, yeah,
but like we were just we were looking at what DC was doing.
We were just doing the opposite to stand apart. And so I think,
you know, obviously Sonic is in in a similar place. It's just Mario's
very good and Mario has has had such a cultural impact and it's not like
Sonic hasn't, But that cultural impact. At this point no longer feels like
it has to come from the games, because the games are often so at
best uninspired and at worst the the fodder for Blake Club. I don't know,
jam, what do you think? I think you're You're right on the
money there, Grub. I don't see Sonic surpassing Mario, and I felt
like this beef was squashed so long ago they started doing the Olympics together.
Yeah, Grub, I thought they were friends, but I guess you know,
like you is it a friendly? Is Sonic Mario's vegeta? Sometimes it
feels like Sonic is Mario's yompho. So that's messed up. Chain And you're
right, but that's messed up. I Hey, this is coming from a
fan of Sonic, all right, And I'm a fan of Yamcha. The
wolf Egg Fists and the original dragon Ball seemed hella cool and it did.
Oh yeah, of course. I just don't again love to be wrong.
I would love to be wrong. I'd love for there to be an incredibly
charming Sonic game. You know, this past Halloween, like when and I
saw all the trick or treaters going by, just as many Sonic y as
there were Mario right, And I do wonder where that comes from. And
I think at this point, I mean, obviously the movie successful. There's
there have been a ton of animated shows. There's a popular Netflix animated show
right now, Sonic Boom. I think something like that. But I think
the character is just naturally appealing. I think kids look at it and they're
like, that's a cool character. I think that's a cool character. I
don't care what his deal is. I am in on it. Oh,
he likes chili dogs. Literally, my four year old did not know what
the fuck a chili dog was, and yet it was her whole life for
a couple of days because of Sonic. I as a child would ask my
parents for a chili dog because of Sonic. Not knowing what a chili dog
was. It's happening to me right now, and I will get the chili
dog. She takes a bite and she's say ah, I'm like, okay,
I'll finish it. Don't worry. I'm actually very excited because I get
to eat it. Yes, that's Netflix shows, Sonic Prime. Thanks Thank
you, Sean. Again, have goals and have really have really high goals
and set set your sites high. That does work, So go for it.
It's like, you know what, I'm a one hundred percent of believer
in jnifesting stuff. You know, Uh, say it out loud because I
was about to say it. Sounds like Sega is saying their inside thoughts outside
too off the huh you know what, Who am I to yuck their yums
or pooh pooh them? Exactly? Believe in yourself, stay away from the
blockchain, Yes, reach your employees right, yes, uh, maybe stop
canceling games or like maybe refocus some games and then all right, Sega,
all right, and then yeah, reach for the stars. Yeah, go
for it. Do you think even if you fall, you'll land among amongst
the chili dogs. It's a beautiful thing. I think after Wonder, they've
got got to got to try to like really make a real Sonic game good
again, like they Sonic Superstars. I really disliked it. I think some
Sonic fans are like, no, this is fine, this is fine.
But I think we're at a point where you're coming out of Wonder and like,
man Mario can have that, what can Sonic have? And I know
a lot of Sonic fans have been burned, so many times that they're like,
whatever, Man, we get it. It's they're gonna be bad games.
We just like the character. Let us enjoy the things that we do
like about these games, which there is plenty of that in Superstars. Man,
if they want to set their sites high, start with the games.
Make the games as best as they possibly can be, and then I think
the rest kind of takes care of itself, because again that the appeal of
that character is so strong that he's always going to work in the movies and
in the shows and as merchandise, and that stuff does kind of take care
of itself. Hey, Sonic fans, Fellow Sonic fans, look me in
the eye. Come come close. You're scouring. Put your phone close to
your face. Look me in the eyes. It's safe. It's safe.
It's me, it's me, your friend. You deserve better. Yep,
you do deserve Sonic Media too, You do, all right? Yes.
Kevin f Ghani seems to be the new Warrio voice actor. This is from
Nintendo Everything. Kevin Afghani was recently confirmed as the voice of Mario and Luigi,
and they say, unsurprisingly, I find this a little surprising. It
looks like he was also cast as Warrio as well. That news comes from
the credits in Warrio Where Move It, which has the character having new voice
lines since Charles Martine retired from the role. I'm a little surprised that Nintendo's
just having one guy do all those voices again, that's what Martine did.
Martine is like, Hey, I'm I'm Mario and Luigi and Warrio and wa
Luigi and a bunch of the characters in the Warrio universe and stuff. So
the fact that they're just kind of doing that again but with someone different,
I don't know. I was not expecting that. How do you feel about
this? Somewhere? I feel like someone in Nintendo is like, wait,
you want us to pay multiple people to do it? That's good point to
paying the one guy. Yeah, And I don't know. I feel like
maybe that came from like a cost effective thing in the past, but now
I feel like it does come from like a place of reverence and maybe trust.
Right of like Charles Martine was, is now like part of the gaming
cultural canon for forever, right mm hmm. And maybe that will elevate Kevin
Afghani to that same status eventually, right where it's like, oh, this
dude is going to be the voice of Mario for like several generations of gamers,
and like that is a cool thing to think about, where he's like
the new voice of Nintendo. Absolutely wild yep. I uh. We talked
about this before. We mentioned Mickey Mouse, and it's like, yeah,
Mickey Mouse says that same thing where it's like the voice actor does become a
big fan favorite and they know his name and stuff. Maybe not as ever
as much as Charles Martine, but maybe it is. I don't know,
but like I don't know who is the current voice of Mickey Mouse. No
idea. Okay, as far as I'm concerned, it's like Mike Manatti,
Yeah, filter could be all right, let's keep going here. John Wick,
director gives an update on the Ghost of Sushimo movie. This is from
Eddie McCoo at GameSpot. A movie based on Sony's Ghost of Sushima is in
the war is in the works with John Wicks Chad Stahlski attached to direct.
How's the movie coming along. Stahlski told screen Rant that the film is making
progress with the script finished, but other pieces still need to come together.
We have a script, we're very close to getting our shit together on that
as well. Development is always tricky. It's studios, it strikes and availabilities
and scouting. You will you have to will things into existence. Stahlski is
attached to a number of upcoming projects, including the Ghost of Sushima movie,
a Highlander film, and a Rainbow six film. He said that two are
the you said the two that are the closest, and that he's the most
interesting in is the Highlander in the Ghost of Sushima projects both amazing, amazing
properties. The story of ghost is also one of my favorite properties of all
time. Listen, Ghost of Sushima projects seems like one you'd be able to
make make sense. It already is just based on samurai movies, so you
just make one of those. I don't know if Tom Cruise is busy though,
so I don't know who else could play a samurai. But right,
yeah, I'm a little surprised that this one's still kind of like getting news
updates. It felt like one where it's like, yeah, that's gonna get
announced them, we'll never hear it about again. Yeah that could still happen
here. Like he says, you have to will it into existence. But
I think it's nice that you have someone in charge that understands that, because
that's true of everything, right, if you don't like, if you want
something done, you got to do it yourself. That definitely seems how that
he's approaching this, and if he's got that much of a love for Ghost
of Sushima, seems like it could happen. Uh, And do you have
an interest in a Ghost of Sushima movie? Let's just say sure, sure,
I wouldn't mind it. Like, I think that genre is pretty sparse
lately as is. You know, we don't often get a lot of Samurai
movies. I hate that The last one I can think of before you even
joked about it, was the last ever Cruse. Yeah, I think there's
space for it. I think it's interesting that Sony Pictures can't seem to quite
nail the video game or the movie adaptations of their video games. Yeah,
they're getting closer than they were in the distant past with other movie companies,
but there, you're right, they're still not quite that. I mean,
I don't know. People like that Grand Arisma movie, but I think the
reviews were middling. Yeah, I mean, hey, but also like the
Grand Trismo, that's a very the Grant Trisma movie. Very different story in
terms of like video game adaptations, right, because it's like this is kind
of a this is a real life story of someone that became a real life
professional race car driver because of Grand Tarismo versus I don't know, the Uncharted
movie, yeah, which, sure, sure, let's go, let's go
do it. I'd watch it eventually. Sony's also working on a bunch of
TV shows, and I think I talked about it previously that there was some
issues because of the strike for the Horizon TV show and how those scripts came
in and based on the scripts, it was going to be the most expensive
show ever made. Apparently, as the strikes got resolved, the show had
enough time for the writers to come back in and start working on new versions
of it to bring the cost down, and sounds like the project is back
on track. And again, as just as a caveat here, I'm not
great at movie and television industry reporting. It's hard for me to double check
all that stuff. But I'll just say I'll pass that along and we'll obviously
we'll get the real announcement eventually. So the little grain assault there, uh
okay. Xbox Series X Slash S has outsold the PS five in Japan for
only the fourth time. This is from Chriscollian at VGC. Xbox Series X
and S has outsold the PS five for only the fourth time on a weekly
basis since both consoles launched in November twenty twenty. According to Finmitsu's weekly Charts,
twy nine hundred and three Xbox Series X and three hundred ninety eight Series
S consoles were sold in Japan last week for a total of three thousand,
three hundred and one consoles, by comparison to two seven hundred and seventeen PS
five consoles were sold. Two hundred and sixteen PS five digital editions were sold
for a total of twenty nine hundred and thirty thirty three. That is a
pretty high number for Xbox in Japan, that three thousand mark, and it's
a very low number for PS five in Japan. I think that what we
have happening here is those slim consoles are launching soon and people are either waiting
for this slim console to come out before they buy, or there actually isn't
very many PS fives on the shelf in Japan because they just aren't restocking those
with the new slim down version coming in very soon that's said, hey,
hey, good job, Xbox, you did it. Yeah. I'm trying
to think what would motivate the sudden surge of Xboxes. So the Xbox at
three thousand basically where it's at. It goes up from like one thousand to
like at the high about ten thousand, I think one time that happened.
Most most of the time, though, it's in this like one thousand to
three four five thousand range. So this isn't like some major surge again,
It's mostly about a big slowdown for PS five, it seems like. But
you know, if we are looking for positive news for Xbox, you know,
post Starfield does seem like game Pass is really really hitting its stride for
this year. This month, there is the one terabyte Xbox Series S that
might be in more stock in Japan. That seems like the kind of one,
the kind of console that Japan would be down with. So yeah,
there are things happening, but I don't think there's some major move happening in
Japan to get Xboxes in more people's homes, at least not right now.
US still a great service, yep. Yeah, yeah, it is looking
really good this month. We talked about on the show Yesterday Jam where it
was like, oh man, there's like several games here that are we're checking
out, including that Headbangers game that just came out that is a a party
game with like rhythm elements. So I'm gonna try that out soon. Okay,
let's see here. I got one more story. Disney Dreamlight Valley.
Jan there's a showcase. It brings multiplayer, Apple Arcade version and more of
the sister Mark Delaney at GameSpot. Roughly a year since its launch into early
access programs on various platforms, Disney dream Light Valley, also known as the
DDV, just got its first showcase event, detailing many major changes coming in
the game in the weeks and months ahead. The video event included a first
look at multiplayer, the reveal of an Apple Arcade version, and some teases
for new Disney and Pixar characters coming in the future, updates like Jack Skellington
from Nightmare Before Christmas and Mike and Sully from Monsters Inc. Here's everything that
was announced, so yeah, Jack Skellington will be a free character update in
late twenty twenty three. A new Winter Star path will include snowy outfits inspired
by various Disney characters. I bet their cakes are going to look kickd up
in those value verse. The game's multiplayer mode will launch in late twenty twenty
three, so still to come this year, jan we can get in there
together and look at the cakes. Disney Dreamline Valley will exit Early Access and
launch as version one point zero in December. The first realm of twenty twenty
four will be Monsters inc. Tiana from the Princess and the Frog will join
the Valley in twenty twenty four. The first paid expansion, A Rift in
Time, which is the name of a different video game, will arrive on
December fifth, twenty twenty three. A Riff to Time will be split across
three chapters and introduced new character including Rapunzel, Ghistan, Eve, Ja'afar,
and more. A new land mass, new recipes, furnishings, clothing options,
and other cosmetics will be added in A Rift in Time. Ancient machines
will be introduced in A Rift in Time and will allow players to automate some
processes, and Disney dream Light Valuy Arcade Edition comes out December as well.
Jane, You're getting back in I'm a bitch. Every time I try and
get out, they pull me back here, They're pulling me back in.
Some of these characters sound pretty cool. I like Tiana, I like Jack
Skellington. I Uh, it pains me inside. Actually it doesn't pain me
inside because I don't have a strong affinity or attachment to a game like Animal
Crossing right that. It seems like, you know, there are other games
out there that are, you know, kind of taking their lunch, And
I'm all all for that if it motivates someone like Nintendo to get their act
together and and proper supplant Animal Crossing one of their biggest games over the past
couple of years. But I continue to be pleasantly surprised with Disney dream Light
Valley. I managed to get out last year, but grub you know,
I just thought about, like, hey, you know, what if what
what if maybe in the evening or the late afternoon had an hour stream Disney
dream like Valley. Yeah, yo yo yo, John Drake, I don't
think you make these calls. I don't know. Maybe if there's another Disney
dream Light Valley showcase, I will I'll host it. Yeah, they got
Kitten Christa on there shout it's the kitt and Crystal love y' all. I'll
do it pro bono, k Krista and Jan let's go exactly. Let's throw
to our boy on the scene. Jan, I could see it now.
I'm in between the heights of both of them. You know that's right,
that's what they're insially tall. Christa, I don't want to say short.
Normal size, Yeah, normal sized. I'm in between abnormal size. Yeah,
there we go. Hey, I would watch. I would watch if
you played that game. That would be cool. Some of the stuff continues
to really interest me, so and I like Jack Skellington and Mike and Celly
are great from Monster Sinks. So this is and a lot of the stuff
seems to be happening very quickly. Tiana is the one that's coming in twenty
twenty four. All this other stuff seems like by the end of this year,
so in the next two months. And this is a game that obviously
would benefit from having a lot of stuff happened right before Christmas. It's a
game that people play on their phones, so if you have it, it
is on mobile devices, right dream lad Valley. Yeah, I thought I
didn't think it was maybe it's not it's a launching. It's launching an Apple
Arcade, so obviously it will be yeah, it comes to iOS and December,
so yeah. But I mean that's that's That's what I was getting at,
is you want to be on mobile devices by Christmas because people get new
devices on Christmas and then that's the biggest day for downlow. So you want
to be right there, ready to go, you know, because I think
that's actually a good strategy to try and put that game on Apple Arcade,
because when you do buy a new Apple device, generally it'll come with like
a one three month trial to Apple Arcade, right or Apple Music exactly.
And if that Disney dream lad values like push to the surface or at the
top of the store, then you know, kids will see someone like Tianna
like Jack and think like, oh, I want to play this game.
Let me play this game. Man. I feel bad for Hello Kitty Adventure
Island. I that's still going to have its audience. I think it's Santario
Freaks are Wild, and I think as long as that game plays well for
slightly younger people, I think that my kids will be God go for it.
I still haven't introduced it to them though. I was on Kitting Christmas
Podcast. You should go on there. They would like you. I'll fight
both of them though, Hell yeah, let's go. They would like you
on that show for sure. Both beat me up though, but the audience
would love it. All right. Let's let's get to the poll question from
yesterday, and by that I mean let me get it's set up because I
never put on the news asset. There we go bringing it up. No,
all right, here's here's where the campaign starts. John Drake Again,
I don't know if this is in your purview, but have Mike Manatti and
I host a Disney Dreamlight direct. All right, you guys could just do
it a whole Disney gaming direct. I would love that. And then I
make sure he'll stop bothering you about quackshot. Yeah the whole time. The
joke can just be like and the next one's quackshot, right, Jan And
then by the end you just gotta lock him up and put duct tape on
his mouth. That's your imagine Mike Manatti and I hamming it up for the
for the House of Mouse. Absolutely, I can't imagine, and I would
love to see it. What's your relationship to Destiny too, Jan is it
I've never played it, I played it but won't return until Dusty three,
I played it but won't return until the next expansion, or I'm still playing
it. I'm gonna go. I played it, but I won't return until
Destiny three, just like thirty nine percent of other respondents, Forty eight percent
have never played it, seven percent said I played it but won't return until
the next expansion, and six percent said I'm still playing it. The word
on this game is they it got hit really hard this year from a lackluster
expansion and then and a bunch of other games distracting people, so that Destiny
two's revenue was down or missed projections by half basically, and it doesn't I
don't know. I look at this, you know, not scientific pull,
and I think this seems right where most people are either never going to try
it or waiting for Destiny three and not not looking to get back into it
like they don't like them. No, I had my time with that game,
and now I'm ready to move on. And it's like, I suppose
you could look at that the I never played it as Hey, that's potential
gamers that you can acquire. Those are user acquisition targets. I don't know.
If I feel like people haven't played Destiny by now, it's because they
don't want to and not much you can do about that. Destiny too has
always seemed like one of those like routine games where this is someone's life.
Yes, right, absolutely, they quickly. Yeah, it's like like golf,
you know, they boot it up, do whatever they do, uh
for the day or for the week. And I felt like that could and
should have been enough to satiate the people up top, But it doesn't seem
like it was. So I look at a wild swing here, but I
look at a game like a Sea of Thieves, and I feel like that
audience is generally happy with the game and where it's at and what comes out
for it. They have their complaints, but I think you're right generally happy,
and that like, why can't you just serve your existing audience and eventually
try and convert other people to get in. I don't know, make the
onboarding process even easier or whatever. Yep, it just seems it just seems
tear. I fucking hate it. This news is still stuck in my cross.
Yep. Incredibly frustrating yep, I just you know you could. I
won't say there was no reason. If something's making money and you it cuts
can like, yeah, obviously a cut makes it easier if you're not making
as much money. But you just got acquired by Sony. It feels like
they could have given you a longer leash and helped avoid a lot of pain
here. But I think the company was happy to cut some people so that
it's like, I'm an excuse, let's do it now and that way we
can refocus or whatever. And I just that really bugs me. It almost
seems that Pete Xen says, you know, studio heads, apparently we're ignoring
employer re quests to put community your question into the game, and the game
itself suffered greatly. Sometimes it feels like studio execs are purposely obtuse, so
they are just waiting for failures to happen to cut people. Yes, I
think that's that's how it feels here, yes, right, And but when
something takes off, they'll take all the credit. Oh and it fucking sucks
and all the money and all the money, Like I wish things were better
for game devs. You know it, well, an incredibly great year grub.
You know, we have two games that may be my favorite games of
all time. We have this stuff happening in the background. How do you
feel about the community sluts shaming you for loving so many games? Jan?
Hey, Hey, Sonic fans, people slutshamey, look me in the eyes,
already know who I am? Why am I trying to hide at this
point? Y? Oh? I love it? I love it all right?
I got a new pole. What do you want from God of War
Ragnarok DLC? An expansion connected to the main game, a standalone expansion,
an expand alone like Miles Morales, or no DLC. Just make God four
three? That polls up on the site right now. There it is.
In fact, you can go to YouTube dot com slash at giant Bomb under
the community tab. There you'll find the poll, vote on it, and
we'll talk about it on Game mess Mornings on Giant Bomb tomorrow. Speaking of
Giant Bomb, Jan, what do we have happened? And we got a
little bit of voicemail dump truck. I'm gonna play Alan wake today on the
site. Yeah, decided a little a little bit of Alan Wakey and Bakey
Yes today. Where were you jumping in grub. Are you gonna start well
where you're at or I was? I was gonna ask the community a little
bit. Should I start from? I can start from the beginning, I'm
fine with doing that, or pick up from like kind of a before you
play as Allen Wake basically is how I'll put it. Okay, right,
it seems like right before that to be fair, maybe you know, maybe
if we start from the beginning, they'll help people that are a little bit
spooked. Yeah, it's kind of what I was like at the beginning process.
But yeah, Voicemail dump Truck. Today we got Bailey hopping on there.
She kicked me out of my own spot of the show that I produce,
So I'm like the fuck dog. Uh. Tomorrow more Gamess Mornings UPF
and the premiere of BCR BombCast Revengeance. Yep. I'm really looking forward to
that. Where I believe the topic we've landed on, other than talking about
the miscellaneous games that we missed on Tuesday, is why the Switch is the
best console of all time? Yep. Yeah, BC artists, it's just
gonna be so useful. We're like looking just like next week, It's like,
man, there' stuff will be able to talk about on there that we
couldn't talk about on the BombCast. Yeah. Just so glad we're doing this
and it'll be a lot of fun and it gives us just so much more
opportunity to talk about games in a timely way, and I'm very happy.
I don't want to jinx it, but you know, Tam and Lucy are
going to be on tomorrow. Hopefully that's something we can get more often because
I love those two. Yep. Absolutely, it's a kind of a good
match made in heaven and all that stuff. And yes, I do live
in podcasts now, Yes, we all do. Yep, we all do.
We all do. Oh my god, look at Cereal. Oh wow,
look it's that podcast. Yeah, so the Adventure Zone. What do
you guys doing all? Look at them, they're all they're LARPing weird.
Oh fuck, it's Dax Shepherd knowing look to have woid eye contact. Jesus.
All right, everybody, we're gonna get out of here. Jan,
thank you so much for spending today talk with me about video games. You
know how I appreciate it. I love cinnamon rolls. Jan, did you
make midnight cinnamon Rolls? I did they proved for way too long, so
they got way too big. But I A'm mad at it. Did you
get enough sleep? Because I saw that tweet was like, you know,
I'm pretty late and you had to eat the cinnamon rolls and let those digest.
I decide I would just let them cool off and enjoy them in the
morning. That takes a level of self control I literally cannot understand. Thank
you all for watching. You're the best audience in gaming. Until next time,
have a good one, take care of yourself, and goodbye.