289 | CCPT Purism: The Paradox of Non-Directive but Highly Structured

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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In today's episode,

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we are continuing in our CCPT Purism series,

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and we are going to

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talk about how even though it is non-directive,

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It is still very structured.

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So we are going to dive into that.

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That's one of the most misunderstood truths,

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I think about CCPT,

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and I want to make sure that

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it's clarified so that we're all on the same page about how it can be both,

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even though they seem to not coexist.

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But before we dive into that,

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OK,

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so let's dive into

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the structure behind the freedom,

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I suppose.

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last week we talked about

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how Landreth gave CCPT

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its current name

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and helped us define what it is and what it isn't.

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But I want in this episode to

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unpack

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what I perceive to be a paradox because I think CCPT

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Perceived incorrectly and or at the very least people

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misunderstand it

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because CCPT looks unstructured.

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From the outside looking in and even sometimes when we describe it,

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it can be perceived.

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In a very unstructured way,

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but it is very intentional.

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It's highly intentional,

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actually.

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The fact that it's non-directive does not mean that anything goes

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at all.

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The therapist is actually creating a very specific kind of structure.

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In the environment,

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so meaning the playroom.

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they're in their mindset,

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the way that they are

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practicing.

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In the way that they're setting limits when necessary

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and most importantly in their way of being,

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there's a very specific kind of structure

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that is created,

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so it is not unstructured at all

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and it is not a free for all.

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So I want to definitely

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dive into this a little bit

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to clear up any

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ambiguity or confusion.

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I think as a general rule,

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because it looks.

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So free and unstructured

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from the outside looking in.

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It is very easily misperceived and misunderstood,

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and I talk about this a lot.

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We're already fighting an uphill battle

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of the fact that what we do is called play therapy.

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We already have people that dismiss it and trivialize it

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just because it's called play,

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because it can't be important

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or structured

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necessary or anything if all quote,

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all we're doing is playing,

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end quote.

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we know that's not true,

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but that's the perception.

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If all you're doing is playing,

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well,

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if my kid will naturally work through things through their play,

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what do they need you for?

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I mean,

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these are the questions that we get all the time.

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Why?

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Because it's called play therapy.

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And that doesn't seem to be important to anybody.

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when we have that kind of misperception,

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it's very important

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that we realize

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it is actually a very disciplined

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approach it's a very intentional approach

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and it's a very structured approach

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and I think the better we understand

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how it can be

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highly intentional and structured

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but also very

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autonomous and freedom honoring.

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And very non-directive,

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I think we will be able to

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better articulate to parents and caregivers and stakeholders

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and really we can just advocate for the model more effectively.

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So the common myths,

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let's start there because then we can

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kind of refute them with the structure,

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I think.

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So if we think about the common myths,

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I think the first would be that

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the very nature of the word non-directive

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implies unstructured.

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we're going to look at the structure,

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so that's absolutely not

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an accurate perception,

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but it is the reality of many people.

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if you're a non-directive,

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that means that it's unstructured.

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if you don't tell a child what to do,

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it's just a free for all.

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Couldn't be further from the truth.

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We know that,

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but we need to be able to explain

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what the difference is.

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I think another myth is

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you just let the child do whatever they want.

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And parents have said that,

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teachers have said that,

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directive therapists have said that.

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the kid just gets to come in and do whatever.

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but no.

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we don't just let the child do whatever they want,

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the child has a lot of freedom and autonomy,

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that's for sure.

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And then another myth is because there's quote no plan,

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CCPT very much has a plan,

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but it's not directive by any means.

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So there's no plan,

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so therefore,

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it can't be clinical in nature.

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Nothing clinical

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or therapeutic is happening

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if there's no plan.

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that is 100% not true,

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but also a myth that people tend to adopt.

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how we refute those three common myths,

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CCPT

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is extremely.

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And tightly structured

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on the therapist side.

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There's so much structure.

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that the child has complete freedom

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within that structure.

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Let me say that again.

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CCPT

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very highly structured from the therapist side.

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So that the child has complete freedom

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within that structure.

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Think about that.

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We create a structure.

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the child experiences in such a way

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that they have complete freedom.

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The structure doesn't apply to the child,

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it applies for the child.

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And when we create that structure,

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the structure is what allows the child complete freedom and autonomy.

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Gosh,

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there's so much beauty in that.

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We could dwell on that for like 20 minutes,

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but let's move on.

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when we think about how structured

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and how the therapist uses the structure.

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We need to understand what that structure actually looks like

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so that we can refute some of the misconceptions.

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So first,

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The playroom

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is highly structured.

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First and foremost,

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have a toys,

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we have a set of toys that are selected,

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not collected.

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We carefully choose toys

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that represent categories.

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So we have our real life toys,

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we have our acting on aggressive toys,

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we have our creative artistic expression toys.

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We have fantasy toys.

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Why?

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Because they serve a very specific purpose.

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There's nothing random in a playroom.

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If you have something random in your playroom.

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Please get rid of it.

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Your toys are specifically selected.

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They are chosen

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with intention.

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Every single item is there for a reason.

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There's no screens

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technology driven toys.

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There's no prescribed toys that

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sing songs,

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tell a child to count to 3,

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say rhymes.

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They nothing should have technological or electronic components

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unless that serves a very specific purpose.

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For example,

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my rescue vehicles have lights and sirens,

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which means they require batteries.

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But that makes sense because if a child needs to play out an emergency

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or a police car or an ambulance or a fire truck.

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It would have lights and sirens,

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so that is one of the few things in my playroom that has batteries.

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My kitchen

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set,

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if you push a button,

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the burners glow red.

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That serves a very specific purpose because it

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looks like you're actually cooking on a stove.

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These are the types of things that you can have with

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technology and electronics in them,

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but as a general rule,

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nothing in your playroom needs batteries.

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You don't need Moana guitars that sing a Moana song.

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You don't need a Bob the Builder thing that says,

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I don't even know what Bob the Builder says.

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Can we fix it?

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Yes,

286
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we can.

287
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Is that Bob the Builder?

288
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I don't know.

289
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My son did not like Bob the Builder.

290
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We,

291
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we never watched it.

292
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We were not a Bob the Builder family.

293
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I apologize.

294
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Terrible reference when you can't even quote it.

295
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OK,

296
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you don't want stuff that's prescriptive.

297
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You don't want something that sings rhymes.

298
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You don't want something that sings songs,

299
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period.

300
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You don't want something that

301
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has anything that's going to distract the child from the work that they're doing.

302
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Your toys need to be simple

303
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and purposeful.

304
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Think about Fisher Price,

305
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OG Fisher Price toys.

306
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That's

307
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the kind of toys that you need in a playroom.

308
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Melissa and Doug,

309
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one of my favorite,

310
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and I'm not gonna get any kind of kickback if you go buy Melissa and Dove stuff,

311
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by the way.

312
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People are always like,

313
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are you an affiliate for all the things that you referenced?

314
00:11:07,210 --> 00:11:07,390
No,

315
00:11:07,530 --> 00:11:08,609
I don't make a dime on that.

316
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I'm just,

317
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I'm sharing knowledge and wisdom.

318
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Melissa and Doug,

319
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they

320
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are my favorite toy manufacturer for the playroom.

321
00:11:15,969 --> 00:11:16,330
Why?

322
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Because it's all kinds of basic sturdy,

323
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handcrafted with wood kind of toys.

324
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You want very intentional toys.

325
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Nothing is in there randomly.

326
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And the way that you set up your playroom

327
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allows autonomy and freedom for the child,

328
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but makes sure that there's

329
00:11:38,229 --> 00:11:40,229
safety and emotional accessibility.

330
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That's why you lay out your toys in a specific way,

331
00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,830
acting out aggressive toys,

332
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then real life toys,

333
00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,090
then creative artistic expression toys.

334
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Why?

335
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,179
Because it's intentionally set up.

336
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Landreth has provided

337
00:11:56,849 --> 00:11:59,530
the layout for a CCPT playroom.

338
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And look,

339
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I know many of y'all are in like janitor's closets.

340
00:12:05,119 --> 00:12:05,710
I know

341
00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:08,630
some of y'all are in afterthoughts of a playroom.

342
00:12:09,239 --> 00:12:12,450
You have to take a cafeteria or a library and

343
00:12:12,450 --> 00:12:14,880
put up a barrier and that becomes your play space.

344
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I get it.

345
00:12:16,659 --> 00:12:20,549
But you do have control as a therapist

346
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over structuring the environment.

347
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So that it allows the child to have the freedom that they need.

348
00:12:28,369 --> 00:12:28,849
So,

349
00:12:29,010 --> 00:12:32,159
our playroom is very structured intentionally.

350
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Secondly,

351
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we have a consistent

352
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play session.

353
00:12:37,469 --> 00:12:38,340
Every single time.

354
00:12:38,989 --> 00:12:40,280
We say the same things,

355
00:12:40,450 --> 00:12:41,880
we do the same things.

356
00:12:42,250 --> 00:12:42,960
We have

357
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a set schedule

358
00:12:44,770 --> 00:12:46,239
every Thursday at 2.

359
00:12:46,609 --> 00:12:47,419
That's your spot.

360
00:12:47,549 --> 00:12:48,530
Every Thursday at 2,

361
00:12:48,539 --> 00:12:49,369
I'm going to see you.

362
00:12:50,190 --> 00:12:53,380
We have 50 minutes together every single time you come to play.

363
00:12:54,650 --> 00:12:55,119
Why?

364
00:12:55,530 --> 00:12:56,559
Because it's predictable.

365
00:12:58,239 --> 00:13:00,489
You yourself are consistent.

366
00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:03,010
You're going to say the same things every single time.

367
00:13:03,059 --> 00:13:05,450
You're going to give the same choices every single time.

368
00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:07,789
You're going to say we have 5 minutes left today.

369
00:13:07,940 --> 00:13:09,280
We have 2 minutes left.

370
00:13:09,539 --> 00:13:10,619
Our time is up.

371
00:13:11,140 --> 00:13:12,700
Do you choose to wash your hands in the playroom or

372
00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:14,200
do you choose to wash your hands in the bathroom?

373
00:13:14,219 --> 00:13:16,289
You are going to be a broken record,

374
00:13:16,419 --> 00:13:17,780
predictable and consistent.

375
00:13:18,580 --> 00:13:20,200
The room is the same every time,

376
00:13:20,590 --> 00:13:21,580
not every

377
00:13:21,909 --> 00:13:22,469
minutia,

378
00:13:22,630 --> 00:13:23,099
OK.

379
00:13:23,309 --> 00:13:23,510
When,

380
00:13:23,669 --> 00:13:26,179
when there's 8 Legos in the Lincoln logs bin,

381
00:13:26,549 --> 00:13:26,760
yes,

382
00:13:26,909 --> 00:13:27,780
that will be different.

383
00:13:27,830 --> 00:13:29,140
But in general,

384
00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:29,909
the,

385
00:13:29,950 --> 00:13:32,219
the toys are exactly in the same spot.

386
00:13:33,210 --> 00:13:35,530
The categories of toys are in the same spot.

387
00:13:35,859 --> 00:13:38,849
The items in the playroom are in the same spot for the most part.

388
00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:39,159
Why?

389
00:13:39,419 --> 00:13:40,340
Because it's consistent.

390
00:13:41,859 --> 00:13:45,650
And there are consistent limits if the limits are needed or warranted.

391
00:13:47,099 --> 00:13:48,309
And here's why we do this.

392
00:13:48,390 --> 00:13:49,390
We've talked about it before,

393
00:13:49,479 --> 00:13:51,030
but sometimes we need

394
00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:51,719
reminders.

395
00:13:51,799 --> 00:13:52,909
Reminders are helpful.

396
00:13:53,599 --> 00:13:57,159
Predictability creates the emotional security that kids need.

397
00:13:59,049 --> 00:14:01,359
When we are predictable and consistent

398
00:14:01,539 --> 00:14:03,010
in sessions,

399
00:14:03,289 --> 00:14:06,400
that's what allows children the freedom to work through their stuff.

400
00:14:06,929 --> 00:14:07,880
This is why we do it.

401
00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:09,380
There's purpose in that even.

402
00:14:10,450 --> 00:14:11,130
Next,

403
00:14:11,729 --> 00:14:12,440
ourselves,

404
00:14:12,929 --> 00:14:13,960
our own structure.

405
00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:17,789
I don't really think that we talk about this hardly ever at all.

406
00:14:18,239 --> 00:14:19,039
I guess shame on me.

407
00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:19,750
I don't know.

408
00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,200
I don't think we've talked about this hardly at all,

409
00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,200
maybe once.

410
00:14:24,299 --> 00:14:26,099
This is why you need to listen to every episode y'all,

411
00:14:26,219 --> 00:14:27,010
cause you never know.

412
00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:29,549
You never know what pearls are gonna be in a,

413
00:14:29,859 --> 00:14:31,130
in any given episode.

414
00:14:31,419 --> 00:14:31,849
OK.

415
00:14:32,179 --> 00:14:33,090
Our own

416
00:14:33,580 --> 00:14:34,409
consistency.

417
00:14:35,330 --> 00:14:35,919
As

418
00:14:36,130 --> 00:14:37,280
a CCPT,

419
00:14:37,650 --> 00:14:38,969
what does that look like?

420
00:14:39,210 --> 00:14:40,929
We have strict boundaries.

421
00:14:41,969 --> 00:14:42,690
Strict

422
00:14:43,570 --> 00:14:44,599
No wiggle room,

423
00:14:44,809 --> 00:14:45,820
no budging.

424
00:14:46,330 --> 00:14:47,739
Lines are drawn in the sand,

425
00:14:48,010 --> 00:14:49,369
strict boundaries.

426
00:14:51,119 --> 00:14:53,630
If we are fully adherent to the model,

427
00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:55,549
we don't deviate.

428
00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,030
Our structure

429
00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,390
is infallible.

430
00:14:59,169 --> 00:15:02,000
The strict boundaries give us guidelines

431
00:15:02,250 --> 00:15:03,960
so that our internal structure

432
00:15:04,409 --> 00:15:06,280
influences the freedom for the child.

433
00:15:06,570 --> 00:15:07,929
So what are some of those boundaries?

434
00:15:07,969 --> 00:15:09,570
This is not an exhaustive list at all.

435
00:15:09,729 --> 00:15:11,080
I'm just throwing some out there.

436
00:15:12,289 --> 00:15:13,450
No interpretation.

437
00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:15,909
We don't,

438
00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:17,000
we don't need to,

439
00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,309
nor do we spend time interpreting what's going on.

440
00:15:21,909 --> 00:15:24,070
It does not change anything that we do

441
00:15:24,239 --> 00:15:26,140
in a session if we interpret.

442
00:15:27,919 --> 00:15:29,469
We do not praise

443
00:15:30,119 --> 00:15:31,880
no value laden words ever.

444
00:15:33,859 --> 00:15:34,909
I know that's so hard,

445
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:35,429
but

446
00:15:35,599 --> 00:15:36,159
that's,

447
00:15:36,349 --> 00:15:38,390
that's the structure of

448
00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:40,080
our therapeutic interaction.

449
00:15:41,049 --> 00:15:42,239
We don't ask questions.

450
00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:44,349
Why?

451
00:15:44,599 --> 00:15:45,989
Because if we know enough to ask a question,

452
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,280
we know enough to make a statement.

453
00:15:49,190 --> 00:15:50,479
We don't suggest

454
00:15:53,349 --> 00:15:53,669
Oh,

455
00:15:53,710 --> 00:15:55,760
I wonder if you've seen the

456
00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,059
kitchen set,

457
00:15:57,479 --> 00:16:00,340
because you're so sick of them hitting the bobo with the

458
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,690
Billy stick.

459
00:16:03,309 --> 00:16:04,859
We don't suggest why?

460
00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:06,510
Because we trust the child.

461
00:16:08,260 --> 00:16:08,960
We don't

462
00:16:09,219 --> 00:16:10,619
lead or steer the session.

463
00:16:11,820 --> 00:16:13,049
There's never an agenda.

464
00:16:15,349 --> 00:16:16,859
We don't have expectations.

465
00:16:18,409 --> 00:16:19,099
Why?

466
00:16:19,650 --> 00:16:21,440
Because we trust the process.

467
00:16:23,570 --> 00:16:24,609
And literally,

468
00:16:24,690 --> 00:16:26,219
the list could go on and on and on.

469
00:16:26,650 --> 00:16:28,280
I just want you to understand,

470
00:16:28,609 --> 00:16:30,840
we have very strict boundaries.

471
00:16:32,130 --> 00:16:34,940
There's so much structure in the way that we interact.

472
00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,739
And what we can and cannot do.

473
00:16:37,750 --> 00:16:39,030
We talked about that last time.

474
00:16:39,270 --> 00:16:40,429
Landreth gave us.

475
00:16:41,570 --> 00:16:44,289
So that we understand what we can and cannot do

476
00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:46,179
when we are CCPT.

477
00:16:47,359 --> 00:16:47,630
We,

478
00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:48,919
and where does this all come from?

479
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:49,909
This is not from

480
00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:51,909
a checklist that we bring into the session.

481
00:16:52,059 --> 00:16:53,219
This is not from

482
00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:56,270
a mental running category of,

483
00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:56,570
OK,

484
00:16:56,719 --> 00:16:58,070
here's what we do and don't do.

485
00:16:58,559 --> 00:17:00,340
It's an internal framework.

486
00:17:01,650 --> 00:17:02,599
It is

487
00:17:02,979 --> 00:17:04,449
an understanding

488
00:17:04,689 --> 00:17:05,959
of who we are

489
00:17:06,348 --> 00:17:07,030
in that room.

490
00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:09,699
We are CCPT.

491
00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:11,550
Therefore,

492
00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:13,170
we reflectively respond.

493
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:15,170
Therefore,

494
00:17:15,469 --> 00:17:18,260
we attend and attune fully to the child.

495
00:17:19,670 --> 00:17:20,189
Therefore,

496
00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:21,160
our presence

497
00:17:21,430 --> 00:17:22,239
is important.

498
00:17:23,770 --> 00:17:25,160
We trust the child.

499
00:17:25,530 --> 00:17:26,900
We trust the process.

500
00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:29,540
These are

501
00:17:30,069 --> 00:17:31,869
elements of an internal framework.

502
00:17:34,329 --> 00:17:37,119
We get it because we understand the model.

503
00:17:37,689 --> 00:17:40,599
We execute because we understand the model.

504
00:17:41,420 --> 00:17:45,119
And we are CCPT because we understand the model.

505
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,390
This internal structure

506
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,359
allows the child to have freedom.

507
00:17:51,689 --> 00:17:52,060
OK,

508
00:17:52,170 --> 00:17:52,920
also,

509
00:17:53,310 --> 00:17:54,530
when necessary.

510
00:17:55,369 --> 00:17:56,280
We set limits.

511
00:17:56,329 --> 00:17:57,890
That's also part of the structure.

512
00:17:58,939 --> 00:18:02,640
And I know this doesn't seem to add up to most people because

513
00:18:03,010 --> 00:18:05,020
child-centered means the child's in charge,

514
00:18:05,050 --> 00:18:07,300
but then there's structured limits.

515
00:18:07,729 --> 00:18:08,140
Well,

516
00:18:09,449 --> 00:18:10,959
Limit setting has a formula,

517
00:18:11,489 --> 00:18:12,119
first of all,

518
00:18:12,810 --> 00:18:13,209
so yes,

519
00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:14,369
it is very structured.

520
00:18:15,439 --> 00:18:16,339
We don't just say,

521
00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:16,829
oh,

522
00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:17,540
you can't do that,

523
00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:18,030
sorry.

524
00:18:19,229 --> 00:18:21,599
You would never hear a CCPT say that.

525
00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:23,469
There's a framework,

526
00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:24,469
there's structure.

527
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:25,719
It's 3 steps.

528
00:18:27,339 --> 00:18:28,810
If you have no idea what I'm talking about,

529
00:18:28,939 --> 00:18:30,719
please go back and listen to episode one.

530
00:18:31,660 --> 00:18:33,880
For those of you that have been around the block with me a long time,

531
00:18:34,099 --> 00:18:35,010
3 steps.

532
00:18:35,380 --> 00:18:38,630
We understand there's a very formulaic process

533
00:18:38,819 --> 00:18:39,650
to limit setting,

534
00:18:39,699 --> 00:18:42,790
and we set them when they're needed with that formula.

535
00:18:42,859 --> 00:18:43,170
Why?

536
00:18:43,420 --> 00:18:44,689
Because it provides structure.

537
00:18:45,380 --> 00:18:45,699
By the way,

538
00:18:45,739 --> 00:18:46,180
if you're new,

539
00:18:46,219 --> 00:18:46,969
welcome,

540
00:18:47,229 --> 00:18:48,290
so happy to have you.

541
00:18:48,849 --> 00:18:51,489
This is a really fun group to hang out with each week,

542
00:18:52,060 --> 00:18:52,939
multiple times a week.

543
00:18:54,060 --> 00:18:57,040
Please go back and listen to every episode in order though,

544
00:18:57,300 --> 00:18:58,729
so that you really understand what

545
00:18:58,910 --> 00:18:59,900
all of this is all about.

546
00:19:01,229 --> 00:19:03,660
Even the timing of limit setting is important.

547
00:19:05,959 --> 00:19:06,859
Because

548
00:19:07,199 --> 00:19:09,550
you have to pace out how you handle.

549
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,609
A concern for safety or a concern for property.

550
00:19:14,459 --> 00:19:16,910
Limits are never emotional.

551
00:19:17,260 --> 00:19:19,250
Limits are never controlling.

552
00:19:20,079 --> 00:19:21,459
They're just consistent.

553
00:19:22,589 --> 00:19:23,180
They're

554
00:19:23,469 --> 00:19:23,979
clear.

555
00:19:25,469 --> 00:19:26,449
They're intentional

556
00:19:27,530 --> 00:19:28,969
They're therapeutically valuable.

557
00:19:31,349 --> 00:19:33,459
They're never meant to control a child.

558
00:19:34,229 --> 00:19:36,900
They're never meant to govern what's going on.

559
00:19:39,530 --> 00:19:40,260
They're just

560
00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:43,560
clear and consistent and therapeutically valuable.

561
00:19:44,550 --> 00:19:45,060
Why,

562
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:47,819
so that the child knows what to expect.

563
00:19:49,420 --> 00:19:52,290
And so that the child is able to trust boundaries.

564
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,030
And when there is safety,

565
00:19:55,170 --> 00:19:55,939
we know this,

566
00:19:56,189 --> 00:19:58,140
when there is safety in the relationship,

567
00:19:58,390 --> 00:20:00,739
that means there's security in the relationship.

568
00:20:01,189 --> 00:20:03,260
That means they can do the work that they need to do.

569
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,479
And then finally,

570
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,030
one last element of structure that I wanna quickly talk about.

571
00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:15,410
We provide the containment.

572
00:20:16,729 --> 00:20:19,520
For the child regarding structure.

573
00:20:20,449 --> 00:20:21,670
And here's what I mean by that.

574
00:20:23,069 --> 00:20:25,150
Our own emotional regulation.

575
00:20:26,349 --> 00:20:27,660
Our own neutrality.

576
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,819
Our own tone.

577
00:20:32,260 --> 00:20:33,780
Our own body language.

578
00:20:35,469 --> 00:20:36,500
Our own

579
00:20:36,829 --> 00:20:37,979
non-reaction.

580
00:20:39,859 --> 00:20:41,969
That provides the stable container.

581
00:20:43,219 --> 00:20:43,930
For the child

582
00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:47,020
Yeah,

583
00:20:47,579 --> 00:20:47,969
please,

584
00:20:48,069 --> 00:20:49,589
please tell me y'all get this.

585
00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:52,790
Because this is stuff that I don't talk about often and as I,

586
00:20:52,910 --> 00:20:54,189
as I hear it coming out of my mouth,

587
00:20:54,270 --> 00:20:54,859
I'm like,

588
00:20:55,150 --> 00:20:58,140
I don't know if I've talked about this enough that that they're gonna get this.

589
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:59,589
Please tell me that you get this.

590
00:21:00,329 --> 00:21:01,319
And if you don't get it,

591
00:21:01,349 --> 00:21:03,180
listen to this episode until you get it,

592
00:21:03,390 --> 00:21:03,859
please.

593
00:21:04,719 --> 00:21:05,689
If we miss this,

594
00:21:05,739 --> 00:21:08,599
the CCPT Purism series is just

595
00:21:08,819 --> 00:21:11,219
how did we end up with the model that we have today?

596
00:21:11,380 --> 00:21:12,689
I don't want it to end there.

597
00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:15,780
We can talk about history and we can see how it evolved and developed,

598
00:21:15,859 --> 00:21:17,689
but that only gets us so far.

599
00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:20,130
If we don't deeply understand

600
00:21:20,540 --> 00:21:22,410
what this is all about and why,

601
00:21:22,540 --> 00:21:23,319
why

602
00:21:23,540 --> 00:21:24,689
did the pioneers

603
00:21:25,010 --> 00:21:25,859
create this model?

604
00:21:26,020 --> 00:21:27,810
Why was this so important to them?

605
00:21:28,140 --> 00:21:29,979
Why did it evolve in the way that it did?

606
00:21:30,099 --> 00:21:32,449
Why is it such a big deal to talk about this?

607
00:21:32,780 --> 00:21:33,969
Because of this right here.

608
00:21:36,199 --> 00:21:37,920
Our regulation,

609
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,560
our neutrality.

610
00:21:40,619 --> 00:21:42,040
Our tone of voice,

611
00:21:42,699 --> 00:21:43,969
our non-reaction,

612
00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:45,329
all of these things,

613
00:21:45,780 --> 00:21:48,170
it forms a stable container

614
00:21:48,550 --> 00:21:49,290
for a child.

615
00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:50,890
We're talking about structure.

616
00:21:51,180 --> 00:21:52,050
Please get this.

617
00:21:52,849 --> 00:21:54,530
The stable container.

618
00:21:56,089 --> 00:21:57,900
We become the structure.

619
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:00,640
Yes,

620
00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:02,109
we create structure.

621
00:22:02,810 --> 00:22:05,959
But there's also an element of us becoming the structure.

622
00:22:07,050 --> 00:22:07,910
And guess what?

623
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,739
Structures hold things.

624
00:22:10,199 --> 00:22:11,880
Structures support things.

625
00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:15,119
Structures contain things.

626
00:22:16,819 --> 00:22:18,359
Structures hold things.

627
00:22:19,959 --> 00:22:21,089
We hold

628
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,380
the child's chaos.

629
00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:26,359
We hold the child's emotions.

630
00:22:26,719 --> 00:22:29,199
We hold the child's dysregulation.

631
00:22:30,229 --> 00:22:32,979
We hold the child's whatever it is

632
00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:35,260
that the child needs someone to hold.

633
00:22:36,430 --> 00:22:36,790
Why?

634
00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:40,119
Because we can safely do it for them.

635
00:22:43,239 --> 00:22:44,069
If we

636
00:22:44,199 --> 00:22:45,770
are a structure for them.

637
00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:48,290
And we contain and hold

638
00:22:48,589 --> 00:22:49,130
for them.

639
00:22:50,959 --> 00:22:52,979
They're able to do what they need to do.

640
00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:57,239
So we become structure too.

641
00:23:00,140 --> 00:23:00,530
The,

642
00:23:00,579 --> 00:23:02,000
the whole notion of that

643
00:23:02,239 --> 00:23:03,439
flies in the face.

644
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,829
Of directive approaches.

645
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,199
There's no holding in directive approaches.

646
00:23:11,290 --> 00:23:12,150
There's agenda

647
00:23:13,739 --> 00:23:16,050
CCPT flies in the face of it,

648
00:23:16,219 --> 00:23:17,469
and thank God for that.

649
00:23:17,660 --> 00:23:18,109
Truly,

650
00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:19,380
I thank God for it.

651
00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:21,869
Because

652
00:23:22,550 --> 00:23:24,229
these types of structures.

653
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,619
The playroom,

654
00:23:26,829 --> 00:23:27,430
the

655
00:23:27,949 --> 00:23:28,819
relationship,

656
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:31,219
our own internal structure,

657
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:33,069
the structure of limit setting.

658
00:23:33,869 --> 00:23:35,660
The fact that we become a structure,

659
00:23:35,739 --> 00:23:36,329
all of it.

660
00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:39,729
It allows the child to do the work that they need to do.

661
00:23:40,670 --> 00:23:43,660
They get the freedom because we create the structure.

662
00:23:45,369 --> 00:23:46,239
There's such

663
00:23:46,609 --> 00:23:47,060
deep,

664
00:23:47,250 --> 00:23:48,680
rich beauty in that.

665
00:23:50,489 --> 00:23:52,380
So why does the structure matter in the first place?

666
00:23:52,609 --> 00:23:52,619
I,

667
00:23:52,650 --> 00:23:56,329
I think I'd be remiss if I don't kind of unpack that a little bit.

668
00:23:57,290 --> 00:23:58,689
We already know this.

669
00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:00,959
Freedom doesn't feel safe

670
00:24:01,609 --> 00:24:02,680
if there's no

671
00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:03,770
structure.

672
00:24:05,219 --> 00:24:06,810
No one wants freedom

673
00:24:07,420 --> 00:24:08,729
without boundaries.

674
00:24:09,969 --> 00:24:10,410
So,

675
00:24:10,619 --> 00:24:11,060
of course,

676
00:24:11,109 --> 00:24:14,219
we have to make sure that the child feels safe in order to do the work.

677
00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:15,900
We can't do that without structure.

678
00:24:17,739 --> 00:24:19,040
And true freedom.

679
00:24:19,150 --> 00:24:19,270
Look,

680
00:24:19,349 --> 00:24:21,819
we wanna give kids as much freedom as possible.

681
00:24:22,349 --> 00:24:23,329
True freedom

682
00:24:23,589 --> 00:24:25,349
only happens within boundaries.

683
00:24:26,780 --> 00:24:28,150
That's why when we talk about limits,

684
00:24:28,189 --> 00:24:31,189
we talk about the safety and the security and the relationship.

685
00:24:31,270 --> 00:24:31,760
Why?

686
00:24:32,349 --> 00:24:36,469
Because that's how kids experience freedom within boundaries.

687
00:24:38,099 --> 00:24:38,699
And

688
00:24:39,540 --> 00:24:41,510
Kids can explore deeply.

689
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,250
They can really

690
00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:46,089
dive into their work.

691
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,800
When they trust that there is an invisible safety net

692
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,550
that the therapist has built.

693
00:24:55,089 --> 00:24:56,680
Let's go back to the structure.

694
00:24:56,969 --> 00:24:58,479
Those elements of structure,

695
00:24:58,689 --> 00:25:00,479
that's the invisible safety net,

696
00:25:00,729 --> 00:25:02,010
and the child senses it.

697
00:25:02,849 --> 00:25:03,880
The child gets it.

698
00:25:05,050 --> 00:25:05,369
Hey,

699
00:25:05,569 --> 00:25:06,130
I can,

700
00:25:06,239 --> 00:25:07,369
I can have the

701
00:25:07,729 --> 00:25:10,680
time and the tools and the opportunity to do what I need to do

702
00:25:11,250 --> 00:25:11,599
because

703
00:25:11,770 --> 00:25:12,560
I know that Ms.

704
00:25:12,569 --> 00:25:13,959
Brenna has created safety.

705
00:25:14,949 --> 00:25:17,329
And I know that if anything happens,

706
00:25:17,729 --> 00:25:18,599
there's a net

707
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:20,060
that's been built for me.

708
00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:23,489
There's

709
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,380
A lot

710
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,979
more that I could say,

711
00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:29,739
but I think at the very least.

712
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,599
We have to really grasp the notion.

713
00:25:35,579 --> 00:25:37,680
Of how structure plays into this

714
00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:38,479
because

715
00:25:38,729 --> 00:25:39,910
it's non-directive.

716
00:25:41,089 --> 00:25:44,089
And the misperception is that it's very unstructured,

717
00:25:44,420 --> 00:25:45,189
it's not at all.

718
00:25:46,030 --> 00:25:47,310
Not not even one bit.

719
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:49,949
However,

720
00:25:50,439 --> 00:25:50,829
here's,

721
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,040
here's the rub y'all.

722
00:25:53,949 --> 00:25:55,010
We have to

723
00:25:55,410 --> 00:25:57,560
stay CCPT for this to work.

724
00:25:59,750 --> 00:26:01,219
It takes a lot of intention.

725
00:26:02,489 --> 00:26:04,089
Takes a lot of self-control.

726
00:26:05,770 --> 00:26:07,119
To stay child-centered.

727
00:26:09,229 --> 00:26:11,849
And lots and lots of therapists

728
00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:13,369
default to

729
00:26:13,819 --> 00:26:15,130
directive techniques

730
00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:16,650
or agenda.

731
00:26:17,420 --> 00:26:18,920
Or interventions.

732
00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:21,489
Not because

733
00:26:21,709 --> 00:26:22,430
they don't

734
00:26:22,869 --> 00:26:24,069
value CCPT.

735
00:26:25,699 --> 00:26:29,339
It's because they haven't internalized the structure of CCPT.

736
00:26:31,479 --> 00:26:33,560
I'm gonna say that again because that's important.

737
00:26:34,670 --> 00:26:36,270
A lot of therapists

738
00:26:36,670 --> 00:26:38,189
deviate from the model.

739
00:26:39,010 --> 00:26:41,459
And default to other types of

740
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,630
techniques or agenda or whatever.

741
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:46,380
Not because they don't believe

742
00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:47,790
in CCPT.

743
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:51,640
But because they haven't internalized the structure

744
00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:53,130
of CCPT.

745
00:26:55,349 --> 00:26:57,060
There's so much structure in this model.

746
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:00,219
It has to be internalized.

747
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,329
It has to resonate.

748
00:27:02,959 --> 00:27:06,670
And you have to see the purpose and the value of the structure.

749
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,030
And this is probably.

750
00:27:11,469 --> 00:27:11,689
What,

751
00:27:11,770 --> 00:27:13,199
what's gonna make all this come together,

752
00:27:13,290 --> 00:27:13,839
I hope.

753
00:27:14,959 --> 00:27:17,079
The more structured you are.

754
00:27:18,579 --> 00:27:19,810
The more free

755
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:20,849
the child is.

756
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:25,599
The more structure you

757
00:27:25,829 --> 00:27:27,420
have and create

758
00:27:27,709 --> 00:27:29,660
and are intentional about.

759
00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:32,670
The more free the child is.

760
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:35,050
And there's the paradox.

761
00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:38,500
Structure is intentional

762
00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:40,020
and it's built.

763
00:27:41,310 --> 00:27:42,920
So that the child has freedom.

764
00:27:44,619 --> 00:27:46,199
So what does,

765
00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:47,060
what does this mean?

766
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:47,619
What's your,

767
00:27:47,739 --> 00:27:48,439
what's your takeaway?

768
00:27:48,459 --> 00:27:50,369
I try to have a little food for thought,

769
00:27:50,430 --> 00:27:51,349
nugget of wisdom,

770
00:27:51,380 --> 00:27:51,829
something.

771
00:27:52,189 --> 00:27:53,449
I think I told you one of my,

772
00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:55,819
one of my parents said they're clinical pearls.

773
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:56,219
I was like,

774
00:27:56,270 --> 00:27:56,459
OK,

775
00:27:56,619 --> 00:27:56,699
fine,

776
00:27:56,780 --> 00:27:57,859
we'll call them clinical pearls.

777
00:27:57,900 --> 00:27:58,770
I don't care what we call them,

778
00:27:58,780 --> 00:27:59,099
but I,

779
00:27:59,219 --> 00:28:02,609
I want y'all to have something to walk away with to challenge yourself this week.

780
00:28:04,050 --> 00:28:05,439
Are you operating

781
00:28:05,579 --> 00:28:06,839
within the structure?

782
00:28:08,010 --> 00:28:09,189
Of CCPT.

783
00:28:10,739 --> 00:28:13,650
Or are you kind of hodgepodge,

784
00:28:13,660 --> 00:28:16,449
winging it with pieces of the model

785
00:28:16,699 --> 00:28:19,290
and then pieces of something else from somewhere else,

786
00:28:19,339 --> 00:28:20,589
from someone else,

787
00:28:21,140 --> 00:28:21,609
whatever.

788
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,390
You need to think through

789
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:26,449
what's,

790
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,829
what's your playroom like.

791
00:28:28,959 --> 00:28:30,069
Is it structured

792
00:28:30,979 --> 00:28:32,160
Is it intentional?

793
00:28:32,650 --> 00:28:33,719
Is it purposeful?

794
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:35,369
To the degree that it can be,

795
00:28:35,449 --> 00:28:36,000
I get it.

796
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:39,199
I know some of y'all do not have ideal playroom scenarios.

797
00:28:39,729 --> 00:28:41,050
To the degree it can be.

798
00:28:42,189 --> 00:28:43,500
Is your playroom structured?

799
00:28:44,979 --> 00:28:46,260
Are you structured

800
00:28:46,739 --> 00:28:47,250
as

801
00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:49,459
A CCPT therapist.

802
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,780
Do you hold the boundaries of the model?

803
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:55,250
Are you

804
00:28:55,459 --> 00:28:58,099
becoming a structure yourself to contain?

805
00:29:01,219 --> 00:29:02,130
Are you

806
00:29:02,420 --> 00:29:03,290
modeling

807
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:05,619
the structure when you set limits?

808
00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:09,349
And do you embody?

809
00:29:10,420 --> 00:29:11,979
The internal structure

810
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:14,180
so that emotional freedom is possible.

811
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:17,709
Are you creating

812
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,130
the kind of structure that kids need

813
00:29:20,719 --> 00:29:21,680
so that they

814
00:29:21,959 --> 00:29:22,790
have the freedom?

815
00:29:23,869 --> 00:29:24,739
To do their work.

816
00:29:26,959 --> 00:29:29,560
CCPT is never a free for all,

817
00:29:29,719 --> 00:29:30,150
ever.

818
00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:33,160
It should never be perceived as such,

819
00:29:33,369 --> 00:29:35,520
and we need to refute the notion

820
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:37,079
every single time

821
00:29:37,369 --> 00:29:38,920
the idea of that comes up.

822
00:29:39,170 --> 00:29:39,290
Oh,

823
00:29:39,369 --> 00:29:40,459
so they just do whatever they want.

824
00:29:40,589 --> 00:29:40,729
Oh,

825
00:29:40,829 --> 00:29:41,640
so they just play.

826
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:41,930
Oh,

827
00:29:42,050 --> 00:29:43,579
so you don't do anything clinical.

828
00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:43,969
Oh,

829
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,760
so they just get to be in charge and and run everything.

830
00:29:48,170 --> 00:29:48,729
No.

831
00:29:50,150 --> 00:29:51,099
I was gonna say cued,

832
00:29:51,109 --> 00:29:52,540
but I said I said 4 things.

833
00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:53,719
No to the 4th.

834
00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:57,390
It's freedom within structure always

835
00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:00,270
freedom within structure.

836
00:30:01,790 --> 00:30:02,920
So,

837
00:30:03,170 --> 00:30:04,160
think through

838
00:30:04,489 --> 00:30:05,569
what structure

839
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:08,160
is worked into your practice this week.

840
00:30:08,449 --> 00:30:10,599
And if you identify areas

841
00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:12,959
that need to be structured differently,

842
00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:14,209
to be more adherent.

843
00:30:15,150 --> 00:30:17,699
I challenge you to work on it because it's

844
00:30:17,699 --> 00:30:19,969
only through that structure that children have the freedom.

845
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:21,890
So,

846
00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:23,050
next week,

847
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:24,530
we're going to look at

848
00:30:24,859 --> 00:30:28,170
where therapists will sometimes drift away from the model.

849
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:31,359
And how even subtle shifts

850
00:30:31,770 --> 00:30:35,040
can pull us out of CCPT and

851
00:30:35,209 --> 00:30:36,520
into something else.

852
00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:37,479
And then

853
00:30:37,849 --> 00:30:41,890
we're deviating and then there's no adherence and then it's no longer CCPT at all.

854
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,560
So,

855
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:44,530
I love y'all.

856
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,040
I hope that challenges you.

857
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:47,670
I hope it encourages you

858
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:48,469
keep

859
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:50,910
doing this every single day.

860
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:51,239
You know,

861
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:52,550
on the Collective call last week,

862
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,689
I talked about

863
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:58,310
My husband came home and referenced something that he had heard and

864
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:59,339
he said,

865
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:59,920
you know,

866
00:31:00,069 --> 00:31:01,339
the notion was

867
00:31:01,869 --> 00:31:03,479
everyone's marching in the other direction.

868
00:31:04,829 --> 00:31:05,310
But

869
00:31:05,439 --> 00:31:08,869
one person has a spear and is throwing it as far as they can.

870
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,380
And they're marching opposite of everyone else

871
00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:13,689
toward the spear.

872
00:31:14,030 --> 00:31:15,189
And then when they get to the spear,

873
00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:17,979
they pick it up and they chuck it as far as they can again.

874
00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:19,780
Then they march toward it again

875
00:31:20,270 --> 00:31:22,060
and everyone else is going in the other direction

876
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:23,349
and then they finally get to the spear,

877
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:24,829
then they pick it up and they chuck it

878
00:31:24,949 --> 00:31:26,670
as far as they can and they march toward it again.

879
00:31:27,579 --> 00:31:28,160
And he was like,

880
00:31:28,189 --> 00:31:29,530
that's you and CCPT.

881
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,739
This is what

882
00:31:33,689 --> 00:31:34,900
This is what this looks like

883
00:31:35,089 --> 00:31:36,020
figuratively.

884
00:31:37,069 --> 00:31:39,530
Or marching in the other direction of everybody else.

885
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:41,489
And it's a battle

886
00:31:43,349 --> 00:31:45,410
And we throw the spear as far as we can.

887
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:47,729
And that becomes

888
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:48,890
our

889
00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:50,420
guiding point.

890
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:51,810
You know,

891
00:31:51,890 --> 00:31:52,839
when you're lost,

892
00:31:53,209 --> 00:31:57,069
you're supposed to walk and you always stare at the same point of reference,

893
00:31:57,130 --> 00:31:59,170
otherwise you don't go in a straight line.

894
00:31:59,489 --> 00:32:00,760
That's like a survival

895
00:32:01,089 --> 00:32:01,680
tool,

896
00:32:01,979 --> 00:32:02,670
FYI.

897
00:32:03,209 --> 00:32:03,430
If,

898
00:32:03,609 --> 00:32:04,810
if you're ever lost somewhere,

899
00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:08,880
you have to stare at one point on the horizon to help you know to walk straight.

900
00:32:09,650 --> 00:32:10,010
Why?

901
00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:11,989
Because

902
00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:13,510
when you throw the spear,

903
00:32:13,869 --> 00:32:16,099
you know where you're going and you know why you're going there.

904
00:32:17,449 --> 00:32:19,390
And everyone else is going in the other direction,

905
00:32:19,420 --> 00:32:19,949
and trust me,

906
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:20,589
it's easy.

907
00:32:20,739 --> 00:32:21,969
It's easy to go with the flow.

908
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:25,430
But we choose not to.

909
00:32:26,489 --> 00:32:28,089
If CCPT chooses you.

910
00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:30,479
You,

911
00:32:30,569 --> 00:32:32,979
you're usually going in the other direction of everybody else?

912
00:32:34,239 --> 00:32:35,329
And I hope

913
00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:38,839
that you want to pick up a spear and you want to throw it as far as you can,

914
00:32:39,369 --> 00:32:40,880
and you're gonna keep marching toward it.

915
00:32:40,969 --> 00:32:41,670
And then when you get there,

916
00:32:41,689 --> 00:32:42,609
you're gonna throw it again.

917
00:32:44,199 --> 00:32:44,790
Because

918
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,040
CCPT.

919
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:48,449
is a battle worth waging.

920
00:32:50,109 --> 00:32:50,699
We know it

921
00:32:52,069 --> 00:32:53,930
You wouldn't be listening to this podcast

922
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:57,500
and attending CEUs and coaching and joining the

923
00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:01,579
Collective and doing all the things that you're doing if you didn't believe in this.

924
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,339
And

925
00:33:04,579 --> 00:33:06,160
some things are worth fighting for.

926
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:10,569
And I think you inherently understand that this is worth fighting for.

927
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,400
And sometimes when you fight for something,

928
00:33:14,439 --> 00:33:15,630
you have to lose a lot.

929
00:33:17,209 --> 00:33:17,939
But it's worth it.

930
00:33:19,239 --> 00:33:21,949
So I hope that this series is encouraging you,

931
00:33:21,959 --> 00:33:22,489
number one,

932
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,189
but I hope above all that this podcast encourages you

933
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:27,989
to remain adherent,

934
00:33:28,270 --> 00:33:29,079
remain faithful,

935
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:30,079
remain committed.

936
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:32,839
and fight the battles that need to be fought.

937
00:33:34,109 --> 00:33:35,739
Because it's not about us,

938
00:33:36,229 --> 00:33:37,219
it's about kids.

939
00:33:39,209 --> 00:33:41,569
Kids need people that get it.

940
00:33:43,369 --> 00:33:45,420
And CCPT always gets it.

941
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,150
So I hope that that encourages you.

942
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:48,719
Love y'all.

943
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,599
We'll talk again soon.

944
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:50,040
Bye.

945
00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:53,939
Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr.

946
00:33:54,099 --> 00:33:55,020
Brenna Hicks.

947
00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:57,140
For more episodes and resources,

948
00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:02,020
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