Child's Play (1988)

<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome the All Eighties Movies Podcast, the podcast
<v Speaker 1>where we talk about the blockbusters, the fluffs, and everything
<v Speaker 1>in between from one of the freshest decades from movies,
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties.
<v Speaker 2>I'm your host Bill Banton.
<v Speaker 1>Along with me on this journey revisiting eighties movies is
<v Speaker 1>my co host Jason Massek. Hello, Jason, Hi.
<v Speaker 2>I'm Chucky and I'm your friend to the end Heidi.
<v Speaker 2>Ho ha ha ha ha ha.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, listeners, we're discussing with spoilers of twenty the
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight supernatural horror movie Child's Play. It was
<v Speaker 1>produced by United Artists and distributed by MGMUA Communications Company.
<v Speaker 1>The movie stars Catherine Hicks, Chris Sarandon, and Alex Vincent.
<v Speaker 1>Directed by Tom Holland, this movie is rated R with
<v Speaker 1>a running time of one hour and twenty seven minutes.
<v Speaker 1>So what is this movie about? What's in the box.
<v Speaker 1>If you grew up in the nineteen eighties and what's
<v Speaker 1>your local video store to rent this movie, you would
<v Speaker 1>find this description on the back of the VHS box.
<v Speaker 1>It is What's in the box? Take it away, Jason.
<v Speaker 2>Nobody believes six year old Andy Barkley when he says
<v Speaker 2>that Chucky, his new birthday doll, is alive, and when
<v Speaker 2>Andy's babysitter is violently pushed out the window to her death,
<v Speaker 2>the boy tells his mother and the detective the simple
<v Speaker 2>truth Chucky did it. In this clever, playful thriller, voodoo
<v Speaker 2>and terror meet when an innocent looking doll is inhabited
<v Speaker 2>by the soul of a killer who wasn't ready to die.
<v Speaker 2>Only young Andy realizes that Chucky, who promises to be
<v Speaker 2>his friend to the end, is responsible for the ensuing
<v Speaker 2>rampage of gruesome murders. But the real terror takes hold
<v Speaker 2>when the deranged doll becomes determined to transfer his evil
<v Speaker 2>sp hear it to a living human being. Child's Play
<v Speaker 2>co writer director Tom Holland, creator of the popular Fright Night,
<v Speaker 2>treats his audience intelligently in this stylish thrill a minute
<v Speaker 2>chiller filled with startling special effects. Look out, Freddy, here
<v Speaker 2>comes Chucky.
<v Speaker 1>So that was what's on the box. Let's move on
<v Speaker 1>to our eighty snapshot as we highlight some of the
<v Speaker 1>creative forces from this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Jason, who do you Got? I went with Brad Doriff,
<v Speaker 2>who plays serial Killer Charles Lee Ray and also performs,
<v Speaker 2>of course, the voice of Chucky. Some trademarks of Brad
<v Speaker 2>Dorif are his deep, raspy, ominous voice. He often plays
<v Speaker 2>eccentric or deranged characters, and also he's known for his
<v Speaker 2>frightening expressive interpretations. His career as a wonderful character actor
<v Speaker 2>goes back to the mid seventies, where he did some
<v Speaker 2>notable work as Billy Bibbett in One Flew Over the
<v Speaker 2>Cuckoo's Nest, for which he received a Best Supporting Actor nomination.
<v Speaker 2>He also was in the Eyes of Laura Mars and
<v Speaker 2>I have to mention, of course, that he was in
<v Speaker 2>three episodes of Studs Lot again. Oh my god, it
<v Speaker 2>is back the TV miniseries from nineteen seventy nine. Always
<v Speaker 2>have to mention that one starring Harry Hamlin, because it
<v Speaker 2>feels like everyone was in that mini series somehow it does. Anyway,
<v Speaker 2>he's got over. This is a Brad Doriff. He's got
<v Speaker 2>over one hundred and seventy credits on IMDb, so let's
<v Speaker 2>just say the guy's worked a lot. Here's his eighties snapshot.
<v Speaker 2>He does Heaven's Gate in nineteen eighty, Ragtime in eighty
<v Speaker 2>one Dune in eighty four. He plays a convict in
<v Speaker 2>a Toto music video for Stranger in Town in eighty four.
<v Speaker 2>He's in Blue Velvet in eighty six, does some TV
<v Speaker 2>episodes and TV movies. Of course, we have to mention
<v Speaker 2>as well that he was in an episode of Miami Vice.
<v Speaker 2>That's season three, episode sixteen, the episode entitled Teresa one
<v Speaker 2>of my favorites. Actually, yes, that one features Helen Bottom
<v Speaker 2>Carter correct correct as the titular character Teresa.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Young doctor.
<v Speaker 2>That was in nineteen eighty seven. He does This Child's
<v Speaker 2>Play in eighty eight, and then Mississippi Burning in eighty
<v Speaker 2>eight as well. He goes on to be featured in
<v Speaker 2>The Exorcist three Jungle Fever. He continues to do the
<v Speaker 2>voice of Chucky in all of the following sequels. He
<v Speaker 2>was in Color of Night, Murder and First I remember
<v Speaker 2>him well from Alien Resurrection, but he's also well known
<v Speaker 2>as Grima worm Tongue from the Lord of the Rings,
<v Speaker 2>The Two Towers and the Return of the King. He
<v Speaker 2>does thirty six episodes of Deadwood as Doc Cochrane, and
<v Speaker 2>he reprised his role as the voice of Chucky in
<v Speaker 2>twenty four episodes of the TV series Chucky from twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty one to twenty four Little Trivia. He is the
<v Speaker 2>only actor to be in all seven Child's Play films,
<v Speaker 2>although he only appeared on screen in Child's Play from
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight and Curse of Chucky in twenty thirteen, and
<v Speaker 2>all the other films his performance was voice acting. Only.
<v Speaker 2>Out of all the Child's Play films, Bride of Chucky
<v Speaker 2>from ninety eight is his favorite. Brad Dorif always a
<v Speaker 2>pleasure to see him.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, definitely. I went with actress Catherine Mary Hicks,
<v Speaker 1>who was born in New York City but grew up
<v Speaker 1>in Scottsdale, Arizona. Her academic path took her to Saint
<v Speaker 1>Mary's College to affiliate with Notre Dame, where she studied
<v Speaker 1>English literature, but the pull of the stage was strong,
<v Speaker 1>and she eventually made her way to Cornell University, where
<v Speaker 1>her passion for acting truly came alive. After Cornell, she
<v Speaker 1>moved to New York and things moved pretty fast. Within
<v Speaker 1>just a week, she landed her first professional gig on
<v Speaker 1>the ABC daytime soap Ryan's Hope. That kicked off her
<v Speaker 1>career that would make her one of the familiar faces
<v Speaker 1>of the eighties film and television. She appeared in Ryan's
<v Speaker 1>Hope from seventy six to seventy eight, then made a
<v Speaker 1>splash on Broadway in Tribute for eight months. Hollywood soon
<v Speaker 1>came calling as Catherine's breakout moment came when she portrayed
<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Monroe in Marylyn The Untold Story in nineteen eighty,
<v Speaker 1>a performance at earned turn Emmy nomination and international attention.
<v Speaker 1>Throughout the early eighties, Hicks appeared in a string of
<v Speaker 1>notable films including Death Valley, Garbo Talks, The Razor's Edge,
<v Speaker 1>and Peggy Sue Got Married, which we covered in Season four.
<v Speaker 1>Then came her most iconic role as doctor Gillian Taylor
<v Speaker 1>in Star Trek four The Voyage Home. But horror fans
<v Speaker 1>know her best is Karen Barclay The Mother and Child's Play,
<v Speaker 1>the film that introduced the world to Chucky. Not only
<v Speaker 1>did it cement her status in the horror genre, it's
<v Speaker 1>also where she met her future husband, special effects designer
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Jeger. The Too Married to Welcome the Daughter in
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two. Then in nineteen ninety six, she found
<v Speaker 1>a new kind of fame as Anne Camden, The matriarch
<v Speaker 1>on the long running TV series Seventh Heaven Show became
<v Speaker 1>a family favorite and stayed on the air for an
<v Speaker 1>impressive eleven seasons, ending in two thousand and seven actress
<v Speaker 1>Catherine Hicks. So that leads us to our earliest memories, Jason,
<v Speaker 1>what are your earliest memories of Job's Play?
<v Speaker 2>You know what, It's interesting, it's mostly feelings. Those are
<v Speaker 2>my memories regarding Child's Play. This movie came out when
<v Speaker 2>I was fifteen, and I can still recall being nervous
<v Speaker 2>to watch it because I am a scaredy cat, as
<v Speaker 2>I've mentioned so many times, and so I was recalling
<v Speaker 2>my early feelings just for this particular segment. And I
<v Speaker 2>actually thought I was younger when this movie came out,
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, oh yeah, I remember being really
<v Speaker 2>scared when this movie came out, as if I was
<v Speaker 2>like a little kid, but I was freaking fifteen. So
<v Speaker 2>all I can say is I remember the concept really
<v Speaker 2>creeping me out. That it was a kind of a
<v Speaker 2>dark idea involving obviously this doll that is possessed by
<v Speaker 2>a serial killer, and it had a supernatural aspect that
<v Speaker 2>kind of weirded me out. I don't know, maybe the
<v Speaker 2>fact that it takes place in Chicago bothered me too,
<v Speaker 2>and I was growing up outside Chicago. My earliest memories
<v Speaker 2>just revolve around those creepy feelings surrounding it. I thought
<v Speaker 2>the doll, of course, was supremely scary. I thought the
<v Speaker 2>voice was creepy. So I mean, I remember seeing the
<v Speaker 2>previews for it. Then eventually, of course I did see
<v Speaker 2>this film. I can honestly say that, but around that time,
<v Speaker 2>I do recall the my Buddy Doll being a thing
<v Speaker 2>and the commercials for that, along with the catchy song
<v Speaker 2>that came along with that. But from the film Child's Play,
<v Speaker 2>the memories are basically of Chucky saying Hi, I'm Chucky,
<v Speaker 2>want to play and the Heidi ho and just saying
<v Speaker 2>that over and over to your friends because it was
<v Speaker 2>just super creepy. But that's it. That's all I got.
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't seen or heard of like a movie before
<v Speaker 2>this involving a possessed doll. Somehow it taps into something
<v Speaker 2>that's very scary for me. So that's all I got.
<v Speaker 2>What are your earliest memories for me?
<v Speaker 1>I remember when the trailers a commercials started coming out,
<v Speaker 1>and I was always that shot of well, which found
<v Speaker 1>out it was Maggie falling out the window, right, But
<v Speaker 1>overall I was like, yeah, this isn't for me. I'm
<v Speaker 1>not gonna see it or run out to see it
<v Speaker 1>anytime soon. But then when it finally came out it
<v Speaker 1>was number one the box office, I was like, WHOA, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>So I think just because it did well in the
<v Speaker 1>box office for a horror film, that really piqued my curiosity.
<v Speaker 1>So when it came out on rental, I did end
<v Speaker 1>up running it, and I was kind of surprised about
<v Speaker 1>how much I liked it. It was one of those
<v Speaker 1>I just wasn't sure how it was going to work
<v Speaker 1>with the story, but I thought it did at the time.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, just kind of became a fan of Chucky
<v Speaker 1>for it. But I mean, when you talk about your
<v Speaker 1>eighty Slasher icons, Chucky for Me is down the list.
<v Speaker 1>I don't watch these movies a lot. I don't even
<v Speaker 1>know if I've seen all the films. I know I've
<v Speaker 1>seen most of it was gonna be my follow up question.
<v Speaker 1>I definitely know I saw a Bride two. I'm not
<v Speaker 1>sure if I saw three. I've probably seen five of them. Wow, Okay, Well,
<v Speaker 1>that's impressive. Unto itself, I haven't. Yeah, just because it
<v Speaker 1>did well in the box office was really the reason
<v Speaker 1>why I was like, all right, I need to check
<v Speaker 1>this out. If people are going to see it, hopefully
<v Speaker 1>it's at least somewhat decent. And I was just kind
<v Speaker 1>of surprised that it did work. And that's it for me.
<v Speaker 2>There you go, short and sweet, but I agree. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I have only seen bits and pieces from the sequels.
<v Speaker 2>I seem to recall that the word of mouth on
<v Speaker 2>the TV series was very positive and it went for
<v Speaker 2>a few seasons, I want to say, but I still
<v Speaker 2>never watched it. I was good with just the first movie.
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha all r.
<v Speaker 1>Let's move on to initial thoughts. Where are your initial
<v Speaker 1>thoughts watching it now?
<v Speaker 2>Well, you mentioned the total running time at the top,
<v Speaker 2>and that's the first thing. I love the fact that
<v Speaker 2>this movie is only an hour and twenty seven minutes.
<v Speaker 2>It's perfect for an good eighties campy, cheesy horror movie.
<v Speaker 2>It's perfect for this. I gotta say, this movie moves.
<v Speaker 2>It does not waste any time, and I definitely appreciate that.
<v Speaker 2>I love a movie that gets right to it. We're
<v Speaker 2>not sitting through opening credits alone. We actually get an
<v Speaker 2>action sequence right from the top. We get right to it.
<v Speaker 2>Although the credits do appear during the action sequence. I
<v Speaker 2>kind of like that. I have mixed feelings about it.
<v Speaker 2>There were some that were like credits that appeared in
<v Speaker 2>moments that I was like, oh wow, did they time
<v Speaker 2>that just perfectly with the you know, Braddorriff's name appearing
<v Speaker 2>right as it's focused on him. I'll get into that
<v Speaker 2>a little bit later actually, but the opening was strong,
<v Speaker 2>great setup for an eighties horror movie. As mentioned, the
<v Speaker 2>idea of this with the supernatural aspect still kind of
<v Speaker 2>creeps me out, especially as I mentioned when I was young.
<v Speaker 2>But now I look back upon it and I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>this is fun. This is just kind of a fun
<v Speaker 2>conceit for a B horror movie, So you just go
<v Speaker 2>with it. Nice and simple, easy setup. I get it.
<v Speaker 2>I love this Braddriff's character. He is supposed to be
<v Speaker 2>a serial killer with the moniker, this strangler, but his
<v Speaker 2>actual name is Charles Lee Ray. Great name for a
<v Speaker 2>serial killer, and I'm gonna step on some trivia real quick.
<v Speaker 2>They clearly borrowed part of names from real serial killers.
<v Speaker 2>Are notorious figures such as Lee, Harvey Oswald, Charles Manson,
<v Speaker 2>and James Earl Ray. So you just put it together,
<v Speaker 2>you get Charles Lee Ray. I have a question for you,
<v Speaker 2>Bill Bant, speaking of one of the opening scenes in
<v Speaker 2>this movie, is the scariest scene in the entire film
<v Speaker 2>of child's play, Andy himself making breakfast in bed for
<v Speaker 2>his mom.
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna maybe ask you about that. It was like,
<v Speaker 1>is that the worst breakfast we've ever seen on film?
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure there's another movie where someone makes a
<v Speaker 1>terrible breakfast for their mom or dad, but that's got
<v Speaker 1>to be one of the worst breakfasts I've ever seen
<v Speaker 1>in my life.
<v Speaker 2>At first, I thought he was making it for himself,
<v Speaker 2>but then it's clear he's making it for his mother.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, the movie opens on Andy's birthday, the
<v Speaker 2>six year old boy, and he's pouring what is it like,
<v Speaker 2>fruit loops into a bowl that he spills all over
<v Speaker 2>the place, and then he pours milk all over it,
<v Speaker 2>which he spills all over the place, puts like seventeen
<v Speaker 2>scoops of sugar on top of it, and then burns
<v Speaker 2>the toast and puts a giant ball of butter on
<v Speaker 2>top of It is just super gross. It is Is
<v Speaker 2>this the freakiest scene in the entire movie. I want
<v Speaker 2>to also shout out some you know, some Chicago aspects,
<v Speaker 2>and this is a pretty solid Chicago movie. Always loved
<v Speaker 2>seeing the old Chicago police squad cars. Carson Pierri Scott.
<v Speaker 2>I totally forgot about this retail department store. And I
<v Speaker 2>got to mention a little trivia regarding this because this
<v Speaker 2>is where Andy's mother Karen played by Catherine Hicks works.
<v Speaker 2>She works at Carson Pierri Scotton Company. It was a
<v Speaker 2>former American department store that was sold in two thousand
<v Speaker 2>and six and went bankrupt in twenty eighteen and closed
<v Speaker 2>all its physical locations. They were still around as recent
<v Speaker 2>as what seven years ago. Oh, I didn't know that
<v Speaker 2>was a real place. Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh that's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>So the brand still exists online, but the original flagship
<v Speaker 2>building was in Chicago, a famous work by architect Lewis
<v Speaker 2>Sullivan and is now called the Sullivan Center and houses
<v Speaker 2>various retailers, including a Target on the ground floor. So
<v Speaker 2>Carson Berry Scott was mainly a Midwestern retail merchandise department store.
<v Speaker 2>So I was going to ask you if you had
<v Speaker 2>that in Philly. Nope, no, Okay. So here's one thing. Now,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get into some just I'm pointing out
<v Speaker 2>some things here that caught me off guard or surprised
<v Speaker 2>me in this. I watched this thinking I was going
<v Speaker 2>to remember a lot, but some things did surprise me.
<v Speaker 2>One being that when Andy finally, you know, he gets
<v Speaker 2>the good guy's doll, which is Chucky, it sits Chucky
<v Speaker 2>down with he's playing with Chucky, and he's playing with
<v Speaker 2>the good guy's tool set, and behind them, the TV
<v Speaker 2>is on with a newscast, and the newscast is speaking
<v Speaker 2>of Charles Lee Ray's accomplice Eddie Caputo, and you see
<v Speaker 2>Chucky turn his head to look at the TV, and
<v Speaker 2>I was like, wow, they give it away right away.
<v Speaker 2>Like we understand as an audience, especially as adults, you
<v Speaker 2>watch this, you know the doll is possessed by the
<v Speaker 2>serial killer Charles Lee Ray. But I was surprised in
<v Speaker 2>the film that the doll itself than in once in
<v Speaker 2>under the ownership of Andy turns his head like that
<v Speaker 2>so quickly. That's a tell, Like that's like giving it
<v Speaker 2>away right away. I thought there was going to be
<v Speaker 2>more build up and tension before we actually saw the
<v Speaker 2>doll move.
<v Speaker 1>Under its own power. I think because we know. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>But part of me thinks too, because when I was
<v Speaker 1>doing the research, I think the first half or the
<v Speaker 1>first acts is supposed to set up if we're not
<v Speaker 1>one hundred perck shut sure that it is possessed, so
<v Speaker 1>it might be sound activated. So it's just turning to
<v Speaker 1>the TV. Okay, that's where the noise is coming from. Right,
<v Speaker 1>But because we know what's going on, it does seem
<v Speaker 1>like it's a giveaway.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That just kind of broke the tension for me
<v Speaker 2>really soon quickly in the film, and I was right,
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, they're just like giving it away. But it's
<v Speaker 2>interesting you mentioned that you would think the doll is
<v Speaker 2>sound activate, which leads into my next thought. Here is
<v Speaker 2>the fact that the way they shoot Chucky in this
<v Speaker 2>is wonderful. The doll. There's always something inherently creepy about
<v Speaker 2>a doll's eyes, the lifelessness of a doll. It always
<v Speaker 2>makes me think of the famous monologue from Jaws, your
<v Speaker 2>favorite movie, the Quint monologue. He talks about a shark's
<v Speaker 2>size a doll's eyes right, always scary, So all of
<v Speaker 2>those shots of Chucky the good Guy's doll sitting motionless
<v Speaker 2>are just really effective. They really really did a great
<v Speaker 2>job with that. And when you talked about the doll
<v Speaker 2>being sound activated, I had a question for you too,
<v Speaker 2>because one Andy pulls the doll out of the box
<v Speaker 2>for the very first time and shows his mom how
<v Speaker 2>it works, and he says, Hi, my name is Andy,
<v Speaker 2>what's your name or something to that effect, and then
<v Speaker 2>immediately you see the Chucky doll look right at Andy.
<v Speaker 2>He looks at him and then says, Hi, I'm Chucky
<v Speaker 2>and I'll be your friend. To the end, I was like, Oh,
<v Speaker 2>is that kind of a tell as in the doll
<v Speaker 2>is like possessed by a human spirit or does the
<v Speaker 2>doll have the ability to actually look where the sound
<v Speaker 2>is coming from, because he looks right at Andy, right exactly.
<v Speaker 1>And you would think they could probably make dolls like
<v Speaker 1>that today, but back in the vies, probably not. It
<v Speaker 1>would maybe just reac looking straight right. It would just
<v Speaker 1>look straight ahead and hear the voice and then respond
<v Speaker 1>with one of the probably to one of its random passages,
<v Speaker 1>but just happens to do the right one, like Hi,
<v Speaker 1>my name's Chucky.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just thought that was great. It was really
<v Speaker 2>creepy because I only caught it up on Rewatch. I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, the doll actually looks right into Andy's
<v Speaker 2>eyes and says it, and I like how it.
<v Speaker 1>Always emphasizes the sounds of the blinks.
<v Speaker 2>There's some great sound design in this, especially regarding the
<v Speaker 2>doll and his movements. Let's get into some of the actors.
<v Speaker 2>We mentioned Catherine Hicks and Brad Dorf, but this does
<v Speaker 2>also star Chris Sarandon, who portrays the male detective Michael Norris.
<v Speaker 2>Which is really funny because before I even watched this,
<v Speaker 2>after so many years, I assumed the actor Michael Newry
<v Speaker 2>was the star of the because I always get Michael
<v Speaker 2>Newry and Chris Sarandon mixed up with good reason. Often
<v Speaker 2>people would back in the eighties they'd look very similar
<v Speaker 2>to and they were in big movies. And we did
<v Speaker 2>Flash Dance starring Michael Newry, we did The Hidden with
<v Speaker 2>Michael Newry and Chris Sarandon. Of course we covered in
<v Speaker 2>Prince's Bride and now Here he is in Child's Play
<v Speaker 2>and they purposely, as you find out in the trivia,
<v Speaker 2>the detective name Michael Norris, which is very close to
<v Speaker 2>the name Michael Murray. So I thought that was funny.
<v Speaker 2>Good to see Chris Sarandon in this. How did you
<v Speaker 2>feel about his performance? I don't know if it was
<v Speaker 2>the fault of the writing or he just wasn't given
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot to do in this. As a detective.
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was a pretty good cop in the
<v Speaker 2>opening sequence, but after that I was like, is he
<v Speaker 2>a good detective and or is this a good performance?
<v Speaker 2>I was mixed on Chris Sarandon in this.
<v Speaker 1>I think what was kind of throwing me off was
<v Speaker 1>his voice.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, thanks, sure.
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm so used to hearing him from Princess
<v Speaker 1>Bride or even Fright Night.
<v Speaker 2>Right I should have mentioned Fright Night, that's the obvious one.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, And I was like, is he trying to
<v Speaker 1>do a Chicago accent or something. It didn't sound like
<v Speaker 1>it was him, So that was kind of throwing me off.
<v Speaker 1>One of my complaints is a whole Chucky attacks them
<v Speaker 1>in the car scene I thought was very hokey. Okay, sure,
<v Speaker 1>but overall I didn't have a prop He just played
<v Speaker 1>the I don't believe what you're saying, and do you
<v Speaker 1>find out it's too late kind of character, kind of
<v Speaker 1>by the numbers, right.
<v Speaker 2>I agree, he's just kind of like, what are you
<v Speaker 2>talking about? This doll is not alive. That's ridiculous. And
<v Speaker 2>then also he's rendered useless in the final scene. We'll
<v Speaker 2>get into the ridiculous, but we'll probably talk Yeah, we
<v Speaker 2>will definitely talk about the entire twenty minute final sequence.
<v Speaker 2>So Catherine Hicks, I thought was great. She plays it
<v Speaker 2>well the mom, the single, hard working mom who just
<v Speaker 2>really wants to believe her son, but it's just too
<v Speaker 2>unbelievable until, of course she has to believe him and
<v Speaker 2>turns out. Catherine Hicks won a Saturn Award for this.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that Brad Dorf talked about him. He's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>He's great in the opening sequence, but also his voice
<v Speaker 2>is perfect for Chucky. I like what he does with that.
<v Speaker 2>But the star of the movie in the standout is obvious.
<v Speaker 2>It's Chucky. It's the doll. I mean, yes, the voiceover
<v Speaker 2>work is amazing, but it's the stunt work. It's the
<v Speaker 2>animatronic work, it's the makeup, it's the editing. It's fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>And I couldn't believe Bill Band how well it holds
<v Speaker 2>up today. Chucky looks awesome in this. To me, I
<v Speaker 2>go with it. The suspension of disbelief is there. For me.
<v Speaker 2>It went to the point of me asking how did
<v Speaker 2>they do that? It's really well done the way they
<v Speaker 2>cut around it, so you're not trying to match Brad
<v Speaker 2>Dorff's voice to the lip movement too much. You're not
<v Speaker 2>like they cut around you just buy it. I thought overall,
<v Speaker 2>the kill sequences or the action scenes were pretty well
<v Speaker 2>choreographed and well shot. So that's the best thing I
<v Speaker 2>can say about this movie is what they did with
<v Speaker 2>the doll and how they shot it. And the creep
<v Speaker 2>factor is an eleven out of ten. On another positive note,
<v Speaker 2>I'll say music I thought was pretty good in this,
<v Speaker 2>so credit to Joseph Renzetti who went with a collection
<v Speaker 2>of electronic and orchestral elements versus going with a full
<v Speaker 2>orchestral score, which is what the studio and I guess
<v Speaker 2>Tom Holland wanted. Originally thought the music was pretty good,
<v Speaker 2>but I want to go back to Chucky the Doll.
<v Speaker 2>Did you have any comments just on the effectiveness of
<v Speaker 2>the good Guy's doll of the Chucky doll and how
<v Speaker 2>they used it.
<v Speaker 1>I was really watching that just to see when do
<v Speaker 1>they use what here? For me, I only pointed to
<v Speaker 1>two shots where I was like, oh, okay, it's obvious
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing here. That was it, and the rest
<v Speaker 1>of it was like, Wow, I'm in this is cool.
<v Speaker 1>I love the animatronics or it's a puppet or if
<v Speaker 1>it was a person, it was like, no, this really works.
<v Speaker 1>And even when they did the melted version, I was like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>this is fucking cool too. I agree from nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 1>eight holds up really well, and just even the evolution
<v Speaker 1>of what you see in the beginning and what it
<v Speaker 1>ends up because he's technically morphing into human. I was
<v Speaker 1>just gonna say that I liked it all and there
<v Speaker 1>was so many times it was shit, how did they
<v Speaker 1>do that? I don't have CGI to erase stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>So at yeah, a lot of fun stuff with that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we'll probably talk a little more about that
<v Speaker 2>in our trivia segment. So those are the positives. It's
<v Speaker 2>the doll, the action sequences, the editing I thought was great.
<v Speaker 2>So those are the strong points. The music I mentioned,
<v Speaker 2>but overall, regarding the story as an adult rewatching this today,
<v Speaker 2>I got some issues and I'm going to save most
<v Speaker 2>of those for the complaint segment, but to give you
<v Speaker 2>a preview, the writing isn't really strong in this. Some
<v Speaker 2>of the scenes were really oddly structured. I had to
<v Speaker 2>rewatch a couple of scenes and I was like, wait,
<v Speaker 2>the dialogue's backwards here, or wait, we don't know that
<v Speaker 2>information yet yet they spoke a line in reference to
<v Speaker 2>that information. It was very odd how it was written
<v Speaker 2>in spots, and I was like, we must have missed
<v Speaker 2>something or there was a scene that was left on
<v Speaker 2>the cutting room. I was confused. At moments, I knew
<v Speaker 2>was going on, and I understood what they were trying
<v Speaker 2>to relay as far as information and detail, but it
<v Speaker 2>just it was odd. I didn't mind like the tone
<v Speaker 2>shifting between horror and dark comedy at times, at very
<v Speaker 2>Freddy Krueger esque type quips you know that Chucky delivers throughout.
<v Speaker 2>But I found when I watched it today that I
<v Speaker 2>wished it was even scarier, and I thought it could
<v Speaker 2>have been even creepier than it was, even though I
<v Speaker 2>said creep factor eleven out of ten. Because the way
<v Speaker 2>they did shoot the doll, it was like Man, we
<v Speaker 2>could probably could have done even more with this, So
<v Speaker 2>I'm going back a little bit on what I said
<v Speaker 2>that I'd love the running time of an hour and
<v Speaker 2>twenty seven minutes, but I could have used maybe maybe
<v Speaker 2>ten more minutes. I don't know. I'm a little mixed
<v Speaker 2>on that. And I was going to ask you if
<v Speaker 2>you saw the twenty nineteen reboot that they did.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did, and I hardly remember any of it.
<v Speaker 2>I watched a couple of clips and it's very modern,
<v Speaker 2>high tech sort of take on it, and it was strange.
<v Speaker 2>My overall take was just that the concept still freaks
<v Speaker 2>me out a bit because I still have these feelings
<v Speaker 2>attached from when I was younger because of the supernatural aspect,
<v Speaker 2>and the effects are the real standout. It's just that
<v Speaker 2>the writing and a story I wished were a little
<v Speaker 2>more polished and cleaned up. So overall, still fun, just
<v Speaker 2>I found the story lacking. Gotcha, those are my initial thoughts,
<v Speaker 2>all right for me.
<v Speaker 1>The idea of a toy, or in this case, a doll,
<v Speaker 1>could be possessed by a serial killer, I mean, it's
<v Speaker 1>kind of observed, but it's also brilliant. I think as
<v Speaker 1>a kid you would always be worried about what our
<v Speaker 1>toys came alive, and this is the worst case scenario.
<v Speaker 1>I do like that they gloss over the whole voodoo
<v Speaker 1>aspect of it, so they just give you enough, but
<v Speaker 1>not too much where you start questioning everything. It only
<v Speaker 1>gave me what I needed to know to understand how
<v Speaker 1>Ray got into this doll and then what he has
<v Speaker 1>to do next. I didn't need anything else, and I
<v Speaker 1>wasn't questioning at that point. I'm like, Okay, he learned
<v Speaker 1>how to do this, put himself in a doll, and
<v Speaker 1>now he once to get out of the doll. He
<v Speaker 1>needs to go possess himself into the kid perfect no more,
<v Speaker 1>no less awesome, and then how to kill Chucky at
<v Speaker 1>that point too, That's all I needed. That was fine,
<v Speaker 1>but I totally agree with the actors were saying lines
<v Speaker 1>about stuff they shouldn't have known at that point. That
<v Speaker 1>was the best way to put it. Yeah, I totally
<v Speaker 1>agree with that. As for the performances, I really liked
<v Speaker 1>Alex Vincent as Andy Good Call. There was a scene
<v Speaker 1>when he first opens the doll and the doll talks him,
<v Speaker 1>and the way he puts his hand to his mouth
<v Speaker 1>he's excited. I remember seeing my kids do that that
<v Speaker 1>trying to stifle a giggle, so I thought that was cute.
<v Speaker 1>Brad doriff As his vocal performance as Chucky when he's
<v Speaker 1>screaming in the toy store. I mean, for me, I
<v Speaker 1>mostly do remember him from Alien Resurrection and One Flu
<v Speaker 1>of the Cuckoo's Nest and One Flu Cucka's Nest. He's
<v Speaker 1>just a really timid character. So to see this other
<v Speaker 1>side of him, Yeah, that just got me jacked up.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, oh, wow, you really hear Chucky's voice
<v Speaker 1>in this, and it's great how it carries over to
<v Speaker 1>Chucky itself throughout the film. And I don't think I
<v Speaker 1>can say anything else more with the special effects, in fact,
<v Speaker 1>you don't really have CGI back then, and all the
<v Speaker 1>stuff they were able to do with Chucky, I was
<v Speaker 1>super impressed with. It's a well crafted film. I think
<v Speaker 1>it works. But I do agree with you there are
<v Speaker 1>some story elements that it's always characters' choices that always
<v Speaker 1>just drive me up the wall when they don't make sense,
<v Speaker 1>And there's right, that's it.
<v Speaker 2>There's a little bit of this throughout. I wrote that
<v Speaker 2>down as well.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and That's what drives me up the wall. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>why are you doing this? It doesn't make any sense.
<v Speaker 1>But that's yeah, that's my initial thoughts. I don't think
<v Speaker 1>I have that much more to add than what you had.
<v Speaker 2>I'll yeah, and I'll just reinforce the fact that Alex
<v Speaker 2>Vincent was wonderful as the child as Andy, Yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 2>glad you called that out, because he's fantastic, He's very
<v Speaker 2>he's natural.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that's the two things you really need to work.
<v Speaker 1>The kid has to work and the doll have to work,
<v Speaker 1>and both of them.
<v Speaker 2>You got to sympathize with him, right or empathize? Yeah, Andy,
<v Speaker 2>for sure, you have to connect.
<v Speaker 1>So the fact they both work and it comes off,
<v Speaker 1>that's what makes the movie go. All right, let's move
<v Speaker 1>on to favorite scenes or moments. What are some favorite
<v Speaker 1>scenes or moments you have from Child's Play.
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be shocked, but I'm gonna start from the beginning.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna start with the opening sequence. We just go
<v Speaker 2>right after the the opening production shingles that we just
<v Speaker 2>get right into this movie, and I love it. We
<v Speaker 2>can see what we assume is a cop chasing a
<v Speaker 2>bad guy down an alley. Little trivia here. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if you caught this, and I hope I'm not
<v Speaker 2>stepping on one of your trivia bites. But there was
<v Speaker 2>a deleted scene where Chris Sarandon as the detective, as
<v Speaker 2>the cop in this opening sequence, was kind of luring
<v Speaker 2>the strangler in. He was dressed as a woman.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yes, that's right. I did read that, and then
<v Speaker 1>it made sense. It was tossing some clothes away when
<v Speaker 1>he was chasing, like he's throwing a dress. Yeah, very
<v Speaker 1>opening shot. You see Chris Sarandon in the background chasing
<v Speaker 1>the strangler and he's tossing a dress off to the side.
<v Speaker 2>That's why it is, because he was he was in
<v Speaker 2>costume trying to bait the strangler. So I thought that
<v Speaker 2>was cool. So we see cop chasing bad guy in
<v Speaker 2>the cop yells i've got the strangler. Wabash and Van Buren,
<v Speaker 2>those streets in Chicago. We know we're downtown Chicago. And
<v Speaker 2>then we see another cop in an unmarked squad car
<v Speaker 2>turn the siren light on and well, our bad guy,
<v Speaker 2>the Strangler, turns a corner. He and the cop change
<v Speaker 2>exchanged some gunfire. We see the strangler approaching a parked
<v Speaker 2>van off to the side, but before he gets to
<v Speaker 2>the van, our supposed good guy cop shoots the strangler
<v Speaker 2>in the leg. He goes down, and the guy in
<v Speaker 2>the escape van, well, he panics and he takes off. Meanwhile,
<v Speaker 2>our bad guy, the strangler is yelling after him and
<v Speaker 2>he says, Eddie, don't leave me. Oh god no. Another
<v Speaker 2>great moment from Brad Dorif. He sounds like he's really
<v Speaker 2>scared in that moment. Actually, I was like, wow, that's
<v Speaker 2>a great line delivery. So meanwhile we have our detective
<v Speaker 2>or cop telling his buddy in the squad car to
<v Speaker 2>go after the van, and now we're just focusing on
<v Speaker 2>cop and bad guy. Cop continues the pursuit of the strangler.
<v Speaker 2>The strangler hobbles, having been shot in the leg, over
<v Speaker 2>to a toy store and he shoots the lock off
<v Speaker 2>of the door, goes inside, and now we have our
<v Speaker 2>detective played by Chris Randon, following him into the toy store,
<v Speaker 2>gun drawn, of course. And this is great because this
<v Speaker 2>is when we see the entire uh it's actually like
<v Speaker 2>two rows of stacked good guy's dolls boxes with the
<v Speaker 2>dolls inside, and that's when the title credit comes up
<v Speaker 2>Child's play and I thought that was smart. That's really cool.
<v Speaker 2>Our detective is in pursuit inside the toy store. While
<v Speaker 2>they're inside, the detective manages to shoot the strangler in
<v Speaker 2>the chest shoulder area. The strangler knows he's dying and
<v Speaker 2>he just yells out, this is the moment you were
<v Speaker 2>referring to Bill ban and it's wonderful from Brad Dorif.
<v Speaker 2>He changes his voice because you see him and he's
<v Speaker 2>like looking down at his gun shot wound. He's like,
<v Speaker 2>I'm dying. I'm dying. And then all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>he changes his tone and he yells out. He's like,
<v Speaker 2>you hear this, you son of a bitch. I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>get you for it. I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>get you, and I'm gonna get Eddie no matter what.
<v Speaker 2>And it's just awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So the strangler now is stumbling around, he is dying,
<v Speaker 2>and he's saying to himself, I gotta find somebody. I
<v Speaker 2>gotta find somebody. He finally falls over, grabbing and knocking
<v Speaker 2>over a bunch of good guys doll boxes. He looks
<v Speaker 2>into the eyes of the doll inside of one of
<v Speaker 2>the boxes, takes it out, puts his bloody hands on it,
<v Speaker 2>and begins an incantation saying, give me the power I
<v Speaker 2>beg of you. And as he begins chanting, suddenly the
<v Speaker 2>clouds in the sky above the toy store start to
<v Speaker 2>gather lightning and thunder begin to crash, and as his
<v Speaker 2>chanting gets louder and louder, finally the lightning crashes through
<v Speaker 2>the glass ceiling of the store and there's a giant explosion.
<v Speaker 2>Love the stunt where the detective is blown backward through
<v Speaker 2>the store and we get this great storefront glass explosion.
<v Speaker 2>It's a wonderful explosion. And then finally the detective walks
<v Speaker 2>through the store and sees that the strangler is now dead.
<v Speaker 2>And the final shot of this opening scene is on
<v Speaker 2>the eyes of the good guy doll. It's just a
<v Speaker 2>great way to open the movie. I love the fact,
<v Speaker 2>Bill that you'd already pointed out that we don't dwell
<v Speaker 2>too much on the voodoo aspect in this movie. You
<v Speaker 2>just get it. You're like, Okay, great setup. I know
<v Speaker 2>exactly where we're going. I know who the good guy is,
<v Speaker 2>I know who the bad guy is. I know that
<v Speaker 2>the doll is going to be possessed by the bad
<v Speaker 2>guy spirit. It's all the information you need to get
<v Speaker 2>this thing going. And there's some good action. It's well shot,
<v Speaker 2>and the stunts are great and the explosion is great.
<v Speaker 2>What more do you want from an eighties horror movie
<v Speaker 2>to get kicked off? The choice to do the opening
<v Speaker 2>credits kind of subtly or softly throughout that opening scene works.
<v Speaker 2>I was a little mixed out, but I think it
<v Speaker 2>does work. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I did like that they did that, and Brad doorf
<v Speaker 1>in that too, because I do like the scene when
<v Speaker 1>he looks down at himself and says I'm dying, and
<v Speaker 1>he says in a way where you almost sympathize with them,
<v Speaker 1>but you're like, wait a second, he's a serial killer.
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't be sympathizing. And then he just reverses course
<v Speaker 1>and starts screaming at detecting Norris that I'm I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>get you, and that voice does a one eighty. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he's only in the film for three minutes, but it
<v Speaker 1>does a great job with it.
<v Speaker 2>You believe it. Yes, I love that. When he yells,
<v Speaker 2>you really believe like he is he means it. It's
<v Speaker 2>very dark.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's good because they when and I'll get
<v Speaker 1>into it a little bit, when Chucky does his first
<v Speaker 1>freak out, it does almost mimic Brad Dorf right in
<v Speaker 1>the beginning with him screaming, I'm like, wow, they really
<v Speaker 1>captured that on an animatronic donef that was pretty good.
<v Speaker 2>What he says is nasty, like he's an nasty guy. No. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's the aspect of this character that you really buy
<v Speaker 2>thanks to his performance, is that he's a bad dude. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>He's just murderous and violent and that's it simple. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So me, most of my favorite scenes are moments, are
<v Speaker 1>just moments, And the first one for me is Karen,
<v Speaker 1>who played by Katherine Hicks, ends up buying the doll
<v Speaker 1>that's possessed to get to her son Andy. At this point,
<v Speaker 1>Chucky's been doing some crazy stuff and he does find
<v Speaker 1>his ex partner Eddie, who drove off in the beginning,
<v Speaker 1>and kills him. So now Andy's in the police station
<v Speaker 1>explaining to an officer what had happened to his quote
<v Speaker 1>unquote aunt Maggie, who was the first person that dies
<v Speaker 1>by Chucky, and the mom comes into the police station
<v Speaker 1>and then Detective Norris is in there. The mom's telling Andy, look,
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna take you away if you don't tell us
<v Speaker 1>what happened. And Andy's like, no, it was Chucky. And
<v Speaker 1>he told me if I were to tell you that
<v Speaker 1>he was alive, that he would kill me. And then
<v Speaker 1>he looks at Chucky and begging him to speak to
<v Speaker 1>prove that Andy's telling the truth, and of course, Chuck,
<v Speaker 1>he's not doing anything. And then he goes up to
<v Speaker 1>it and he's literally face to face with it, and
<v Speaker 1>he's almost streaming at it, and then he's like punching
<v Speaker 1>it like he feels so betrayed. And it was one
<v Speaker 1>of those I'm watching the scene and part of me
<v Speaker 1>is chuckling because I just think it's funny, but the
<v Speaker 1>other half of me feels so sorry for this kid,
<v Speaker 1>because here it is, here's a kid telling the truth
<v Speaker 1>and no one believes him. And that's the one thing
<v Speaker 1>you don't want. You want to believe what your kids
<v Speaker 1>are telling you is true, but it's so impossible to
<v Speaker 1>believe it. It makes sense why they're not believing him.
<v Speaker 1>I just really liked that moment. It was just pulling
<v Speaker 1>on the hard strings and making me laugh at the
<v Speaker 1>same time.
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like a story device that always is
<v Speaker 2>effective when you have a kid in a situation like
<v Speaker 2>that that isn't has experienced or seen something, and we've
<v Speaker 2>seen it so many times, especially like in eighties movies,
<v Speaker 2>of course, from the kid's point of view, whether it's
<v Speaker 2>like et or something where something supernatural, extraordinary is happening,
<v Speaker 2>and the adults, of course, being somewhat either jaded or
<v Speaker 2>they're blinded for someone reason, won't believe the child. And
<v Speaker 2>that's all you want is for the kid to somehow
<v Speaker 2>explain it to the adult. But yeah, it's tough. It's tough.
<v Speaker 2>It is somewhat humorous as I kind of laugh a
<v Speaker 2>little bit on the inside when Andy just punches Chunky
<v Speaker 2>right in his stomach trying to get it. Yeah, it's stuff, man. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So what do you got next for scenes or a moment? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>So my next favorite scene, I'm just calling no batteries.
<v Speaker 2>So yes. At this point, Maggie unfortunately got smacked in
<v Speaker 2>the forehead with a small hammeron went flying through a window,
<v Speaker 2>so she's been killed and Charles Lee Ray's accomplice Eddie,
<v Speaker 2>has been blown up in the squatter's house, and we
<v Speaker 2>know Chucky, the doll committed both, but the blame's falling
<v Speaker 2>on Andy. That's what Bill was just talking about Andy
<v Speaker 2>being the police precinct and being questioned. Now Karen has
<v Speaker 2>shown up at the police station, and it's determined that
<v Speaker 2>Andy is going to spend a couple of days in
<v Speaker 2>a psychiatric hospital. So now Karen alone comes home to
<v Speaker 2>her Chicago apartment with the doll Chucky, and she sits
<v Speaker 2>on the couch with it. I love the silence in
<v Speaker 2>the scene really effective. She's exhausted. She puts the doll
<v Speaker 2>on her lap at first, then she sits Chucky on
<v Speaker 2>the coffee table and she just looks at him and says,
<v Speaker 2>we'll say something, a little bastard, say something, damn it.
<v Speaker 2>And then he just goes Hi, I like to be hugged.
<v Speaker 2>And she realizes, well, she's kind of falling prey to
<v Speaker 2>Andy's story that he's supposedly made up, and she's feeling
<v Speaker 2>a little crazy herself. And I love this shot when
<v Speaker 2>she gets up and goes into the kitchen to get
<v Speaker 2>a glass of water and you just see Chucky sitting
<v Speaker 2>motionless behind her on the coffee table in the background,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, Wow, did they miss a bet here?
<v Speaker 2>Should he have turned his head a little bit? But
<v Speaker 2>super creepy with him just sitting there in the background.
<v Speaker 2>You just feel maybe it's more effective because he doesn't
<v Speaker 2>do anything. That's the point. You kind of think he's
<v Speaker 2>about to do something there, but he doesn't. Karen looks
<v Speaker 2>over in the corner of the kitchen at the good
<v Speaker 2>guy's box that Chucky came in. She picks it up,
<v Speaker 2>She rattles it a little bit, and suddenly a pair
<v Speaker 2>of packaged batteries falls out of the box, and she's like,
<v Speaker 2>dumbfound it. She looks at the box and it reads
<v Speaker 2>batteries included, and she freaks out and drops the box
<v Speaker 2>because she realizes, wait a minute, the batteries are still
<v Speaker 2>in the box. Then okay, So she goes over to
<v Speaker 2>Chucky on the coffee table, slowly approaches him, picks him up,
<v Speaker 2>turns him over, opens the battery compartment and it's empty.
<v Speaker 2>Great scare moment here, because immediately his head spins around
<v Speaker 2>and he says, Hi, I'm Chucky. Want to play? She
<v Speaker 2>immediately drops him. He rolls under the couch. Super creepy
<v Speaker 2>moment when she gets down and looks under the couch
<v Speaker 2>and pulls him out. I would never do that. I
<v Speaker 2>don't have the balls to do that. I'd run out
<v Speaker 2>of the apartment, super brave m She shakes him, and
<v Speaker 2>now he's gone silent again. And now she's pissed, and
<v Speaker 2>she's like, talk to me, come on, talk, I said
<v Speaker 2>talk to me, Dan, It all right, I'll make you talk.
<v Speaker 2>She lights the fireplace, holds up Chucky and says, I
<v Speaker 2>said talk to me, or else I'm gonna throw you
<v Speaker 2>in the fire. And all of a sudden, it's great
<v Speaker 2>because it cuts back to his face and it just changes.
<v Speaker 2>Chucky's face curls like and snarls, and he just says,
<v Speaker 2>you stupid bitch, you filthy slut. I'll teach you to
<v Speaker 2>fuck with me. And they tussle. Chucky and Karen tussle.
<v Speaker 2>He ends up biting her on the forearm and runs
<v Speaker 2>out of the apartment, takes the elevator down, and escapes,
<v Speaker 2>all while Karen is chasing him. It's a wonderful sequence.
<v Speaker 2>It's freaking freaky when he finally reveals himself, when he
<v Speaker 2>goes full Charles Lee ray on her, because he says
<v Speaker 2>such like gross things right off the bat you stupid bitch,
<v Speaker 2>you filthy slug. Like it's like, whoa, this is one
<v Speaker 2>angry doll. The way is face changes and the biting,
<v Speaker 2>it's great.
<v Speaker 1>I like that scene, and I don't like that scene. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I just picked out two moments. The one, of course,
<v Speaker 1>is the reveal of the batteries. I thought that was cool.
<v Speaker 1>And she opens it up and sees no batteries in there,
<v Speaker 1>and then right away Chucky turns and frightens her, so
<v Speaker 1>she drops it. And I like when she threatens Chucky
<v Speaker 1>and then Chucky goes all berserk on her, and I'm like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>that's really cool. But I guess for me, in a way,
<v Speaker 1>the scene doesn't make sense because all right, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>bring the doll home and then I'm start cursing at
<v Speaker 1>it to get it to talk. That doesn't make any sense.
<v Speaker 1>And then the fact that she's automatically is gonna threaten
<v Speaker 1>and throw it in the fire.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would think of doing that. I
<v Speaker 1>think I would have been like you, I either would
<v Speaker 1>I know exactly what. Either would have ran out or
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have done that. And that's what was kind
<v Speaker 1>of like that doesn't make any sense to me. But
<v Speaker 1>the result of it of him going berserker and calling
<v Speaker 1>her a bitch and slut and then biting her and
<v Speaker 1>running off, I do like that moment, and I agree
<v Speaker 1>to I don't think Chucky should have moved when he
<v Speaker 1>was sitting there. I think it was more creepy because
<v Speaker 1>as an audience, you're just so focused on gonna move,
<v Speaker 1>what's he gonna do? Not doing anything with that. He's
<v Speaker 1>really biding his time. I think in the inside you
<v Speaker 1>want him to move, but I think they make the
<v Speaker 1>right call by not having him move.
<v Speaker 2>Right. You bring up a really interesting and great point
<v Speaker 2>that I totally agree with when I talk about the
<v Speaker 2>fact that this movie moves very quickly. Sometimes it's to
<v Speaker 2>its credit and sometimes to its detriment, because the dialogue
<v Speaker 2>moves quickly, like doesn't make sense, or a character choice
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense because they're going they're just getting right
<v Speaker 2>to it. Because I totally agree with you with the
<v Speaker 2>fact that it seems as though she is already believing
<v Speaker 2>Andy like her son too quickly when she sits down
<v Speaker 2>with the doll and starts talking to it, as if
<v Speaker 2>it's like I don't think she would do that either.
<v Speaker 2>I think she would just ignore the doll for a while, correct,
<v Speaker 2>because there's no way after the police precinct sequence that
<v Speaker 2>she just goes homes and all of a sudden, I believe,
<v Speaker 2>my son, I believe that this doll is alive. The
<v Speaker 2>turn happens way too quickly. That's the thing about this
<v Speaker 2>movie is like they just are getting to it, if
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, and it to its detriment,
<v Speaker 2>it takes a little bit out of the believability because
<v Speaker 2>you're like, no way she would already buy the fact
<v Speaker 2>that this doll is alive. Now there's a little moment
<v Speaker 2>where she kind of laughs at herself after the doll
<v Speaker 2>doesn't react to her. But still it moves a little
<v Speaker 2>a little fast, right.
<v Speaker 1>And granted I understand why they have to introduce the
<v Speaker 1>fireplace because it comes into play later, but sure, it
<v Speaker 1>actually would have been scarier if she lifts the couch
<v Speaker 1>and then the doll's just sitting there and then she
<v Speaker 1>goes to grab it and that's when it goes all persirker.
<v Speaker 1>That to me would have been more frightening.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I probably would have jumped, thinking it's not doing anything,
<v Speaker 1>and then she's grabbing it, and she's pulling it out
<v Speaker 1>and she looks at it, and then it just and
<v Speaker 1>then jumps on her from there. Instead of her setting
<v Speaker 1>the fireplace and then holding it up and threatening it.
<v Speaker 1>I love the shot how she turns into the camera
<v Speaker 1>with it, like you better say it's.
<v Speaker 2>Up right cool shut.
<v Speaker 1>I would have probably introduced the fireplace a different way.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, Yeah, there's some interesting choices here. I'm of two
<v Speaker 2>minds on a lot of things within this movie. It's creepy,
<v Speaker 2>but then it is a little silly when they're tussling, right,
<v Speaker 2>she's you know, has to credit to create Katherine Hicks.
<v Speaker 2>She's basically wrestling, you know, with a doll. Right, And
<v Speaker 2>then I'm thinking, also just being a little over analytical, going,
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, isn't he supposed to be the strangler?
<v Speaker 2>So I'm assuming he got that moniker from strangling women.
<v Speaker 2>He's a serial killer. But now he's in this doll's
<v Speaker 2>body and his hands are too small so he can't
<v Speaker 2>strangle her, so he just bites her. And I was like,
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's they should give him him the moniker the bier.
<v Speaker 1>All right, what do you got next?
<v Speaker 2>So my final favorite scene is Chucky's visit with John
<v Speaker 2>aka Doctor Death. At this point in the film, we
<v Speaker 2>know that Karen goes to uh Charles Lee Ray's home.
<v Speaker 2>Detective Mike shows up, and they figure out that Chucky's
<v Speaker 2>probably going to see this John character, with whom he
<v Speaker 2>had some relationship with and regards to the voodoo rituals,
<v Speaker 2>he was either practicing rehearsing these life after death rituals
<v Speaker 2>that surrounded this mighty dumbala character. So cut to John's apartment,
<v Speaker 2>this African American gentleman who deals with the occult in
<v Speaker 2>this voodoo aspect, and he's like going to the fridge,
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, he hears a voice from
<v Speaker 2>behind him and it's hello John over here, and John
<v Speaker 2>looks over and there's Chucky, who seems to have climbed
<v Speaker 2>in through the windows, like standing near the kitchen sink,
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, Hi, that's great. And this is where
<v Speaker 2>I chose the scene mainly because you get to see
<v Speaker 2>Chucky in all his glory. He's just standing there. You
<v Speaker 2>see him thing and he's moving and talking and you're like, damn,
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually buying this. Of course, Brad Dorf's voice is
<v Speaker 2>great and he's like it's me, Chucky, what do you think?
<v Speaker 2>And of course John freaks out and there's some information
<v Speaker 2>that's revealed here. Chucky is upset. He's like, I didn't
<v Speaker 2>think I could get hurt, but last night I got
<v Speaker 2>shot and you know something, it hurt. It hurt like
<v Speaker 2>a son of a bitch, human blood. Why is that? John?
<v Speaker 2>And he explains to Chucky, you're turning human and he's like, what.
<v Speaker 2>The more time you spend in that body, the more
<v Speaker 2>human you become. He's like, you mean I got to
<v Speaker 2>live with the rest of my life in this body.
<v Speaker 2>No fucking way you got me into this, John, You
<v Speaker 2>get me out. And John says, hell no, you're an abomination.
<v Speaker 2>And John goes to call the cops, but Chucky all
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden walks into the living room with a
<v Speaker 2>voodoo doll, and this is gnarly. He's like, John, you're
<v Speaker 2>not calling the cops because I've got your mojo here,
<v Speaker 2>and he raises the doll and he snaps one of
<v Speaker 2>the legs on the voodoo doll, and of course John's
<v Speaker 2>leg then breaks like backwards. It's gross. You hear the
<v Speaker 2>crunching and the cracking. It's really gnarly. Then Chucky says, hey,
<v Speaker 2>I want to know how to get out of this
<v Speaker 2>body of this doll, and John says no, So Chucky
<v Speaker 2>breaks the doll's arm, and of course John's arm breaks.
<v Speaker 2>Then Chucky threatens to stab the voodoo doll with an knife,
<v Speaker 2>and then John explains to him, okay, okay, I'll tell you.
<v Speaker 2>You have to transfer your soul into the first human
<v Speaker 2>being you revealed your true self too. So Chucky realizes
<v Speaker 2>the first person he revealed himself to was Andy. He's like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe it. I'm going to be six years
<v Speaker 2>old again. Well, John, it's been fun, but I gotta go.
<v Speaker 2>I have a date with a six year old boy,
<v Speaker 2>and you have a date with death. And then he
<v Speaker 2>stabs the voodoo doll and we see John Groening has
<v Speaker 2>probably been stabbed somehow internally through the voodoo. So it's
<v Speaker 2>a creepy scene. I just like how great Chucky looks
<v Speaker 2>in this where he's doing a whole walk and talk
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing in the scene, and the voodoo doll
<v Speaker 2>stuff always effective in every movie I've ever seen. I
<v Speaker 2>hate it. It's creepy. I don't know what's going on
<v Speaker 2>with it. I need to do some research on that
<v Speaker 2>where that all came from. But you know what's going
<v Speaker 2>to happen, and what happens to John is terrible, and
<v Speaker 2>that's great for a horror movie. It's scary. I thought
<v Speaker 2>it was an effective scene.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I could call and I had for a moment
<v Speaker 1>just the snapping of the limbs like ooh ooh, and
<v Speaker 1>just how easy he could do that, just with the doll,
<v Speaker 1>just snap and he just collapses that snat breaks his
<v Speaker 1>arm and then just stabs the don walks off. Those
<v Speaker 1>are the two moments from that scene that really stood out,
<v Speaker 1>And for me, my last two moments deal with Andy
<v Speaker 1>in the psychiatric ward. And the first one is Andy's
<v Speaker 1>looking out the window of his room and he sees
<v Speaker 1>Chucky out there and sees that Chuck he's making his
<v Speaker 1>way to him because Andy knows he's in trouble, and
<v Speaker 1>he starts calling out for help and the doctor appears
<v Speaker 1>and the doctor's like, oh, we'll protective, we're protecting, and
<v Speaker 1>he's like, no, Chucky's coming for me. And he's at
<v Speaker 1>that all is lost moment, and I feel so bad
<v Speaker 1>for him, and he turns and just slumps down behind
<v Speaker 1>the door and just starts crying and I'm like, oh, man,
<v Speaker 1>he does a good job on that. Did you have
<v Speaker 1>that trivia later about that Jason that Tom Hollands supposedly stepped.
<v Speaker 2>Over the line. Oh, it's funny because I mentioned et
<v Speaker 2>earlier as well. Right. And you hear the behind the
<v Speaker 2>scenes stories about how Steven Spielberg was great directing chill
<v Speaker 2>learn how he got Drew Barrymore to get to an
<v Speaker 2>emotional level and deliver the tears, et cetera. And in
<v Speaker 2>this particular scenario, supposedly Tom Holland was working with Alex
<v Speaker 2>Vincent playing Andy and told him to think of something sad.
<v Speaker 2>But there's something in the trivia where there's little controversy
<v Speaker 2>as to what he actually said to Alex to get
<v Speaker 2>him to cry, and it was something kind of dark,
<v Speaker 2>something about imagine your parents dying or being killed or
<v Speaker 2>something like that. And it worked.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does work. I feel terrible for him.
<v Speaker 2>It's a great moment to call out Bill. He is
<v Speaker 2>scared as hell in that sequence, and it seems like
<v Speaker 2>whatever the actor was going through, he was really scared
<v Speaker 2>for his life. He was feeling it or extremely sad
<v Speaker 2>because the tears are rolling and it's totally believable.
<v Speaker 1>And then the other moment is when Chucky does find
<v Speaker 1>his way to Andy's room and we just have the
<v Speaker 1>scene of Chucky walking across the room and hopping him
<v Speaker 1>to the bed, thinking and he's in there and he's
<v Speaker 1>gonna kill him. I was like, that looked really cool.
<v Speaker 1>That really worked for me.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad Andy was able to get away, So that
<v Speaker 1>was a good moment.
<v Speaker 2>I was happy for Andy as well.
<v Speaker 1>All Right, so it's time to move on to Swiss
<v Speaker 1>Cheese and Complaints Apartment and what do we call it
<v Speaker 1>Swiss Cheese?
<v Speaker 2>Because although this movie is delicious, it does have those
<v Speaker 2>kitchen knife stab holes.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it doesn't have those kitchen knife stab holes.
<v Speaker 1>We just filed the complaint with the Complaints Apartment. I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure we have a little bit with this one. What
<v Speaker 1>do you got, Jason, Swiss Cheese, got some complaints? Which
<v Speaker 1>way do you want to go?
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have to cut me off. I've got a
<v Speaker 2>few things here. I always got to ask, as you know,
<v Speaker 2>how many bullets did they shoot? How many did they fire?
<v Speaker 2>Because it always feels like in these eighties movies, there's
<v Speaker 2>no way he had that many bullets in that gun.
<v Speaker 2>I had to count in that opening sequence, which could
<v Speaker 2>be one of my favorite scenes. The strangler is using
<v Speaker 2>a small revolver and should be only six bullets, but
<v Speaker 2>of course he shot seven. Didn't go way over the
<v Speaker 2>top with it. Appreciative of that, but I always get
<v Speaker 2>nitpicky with that kind of thing. You're going to run
<v Speaker 2>out of bullets eventually, and that's going to be a problem,
<v Speaker 2>but they just keep shooting.
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's funny because mine's at the end with the
<v Speaker 1>bullets because Karen unloads complete his gun, then runs back
<v Speaker 1>into the room, drops it next to Norris, and then
<v Speaker 1>CHUCKI comes back alive. He pulls the gun then out
<v Speaker 1>of his holster. I'm like, wait, how many guns is
<v Speaker 1>Officer Nora's carrying and that gun's full and then ends
<v Speaker 1>up killing Chucky at the end.
<v Speaker 2>The gun stuff in that last sequence gets a little confusing, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>for sure, that's I wrote that down as well.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we see her literally empty it, empty it
<v Speaker 1>because she's there click click click click, and then drops
<v Speaker 1>it next to him. I'm intently watching, and I know
<v Speaker 1>they cut away to the other officer to pick up
<v Speaker 1>the doll, but he's tending to a wound. I'm sure
<v Speaker 1>he's not putting new bullets in his gun at that point. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he's in a lot of pain. So that didn't make
<v Speaker 1>any sense to me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was even confused in the middle of the
<v Speaker 2>sequence when I was like, wait, when does Karen actually
<v Speaker 2>get the detective's gun? When you get when does she
<v Speaker 2>get Michael's gun to shoot the burnt up Chucky in
<v Speaker 2>the hallway, you don't actually see or pick it up,
<v Speaker 2>but she does go by the detective in the what
<v Speaker 2>you would call the Shining sequence, which is an homage
<v Speaker 2>to the Shining with Chucky's stabbing the bathroom door and
<v Speaker 2>she's screaming on the other side because at that point,
<v Speaker 2>Detective Michael he's been knocked out and she is weaponless.
<v Speaker 2>At that moment. She grabs Andy and runs into the hallway.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, and then she turned, whips around, turns around.
<v Speaker 2>She has a gun and she starts blowing limbs off
<v Speaker 2>of the burnt up Chucky And I'm like, wait, where,
<v Speaker 2>what how did you get that gun? But she grabs it.
<v Speaker 2>At some points there's stuff that gets Yeah, that whole
<v Speaker 2>ending doesn't make sense because so he gives her a
<v Speaker 2>gun correct the ankle. He shoots it once right, and
<v Speaker 2>then it gets jammed right, and then she's stupid enough
<v Speaker 2>to drop it. Because Chuckie knows his jam he probably
<v Speaker 2>knows how to unjam it too, so he just left
<v Speaker 2>him a gun, so I'm glad he didn't pick it up.
<v Speaker 2>And then Norris is knocked out. He comes too. Then
<v Speaker 2>we have Burnt Chuck attacking them, and then burn Chucky
<v Speaker 2>comes into the bedroom where all three of them are
<v Speaker 2>at but only Karen and Andy run out of the room.
<v Speaker 2>You barely see Norris's leg, so you kind of know
<v Speaker 2>he's still in the room. Like Chucky, why don't you
<v Speaker 2>just do a quick stab stab and then move on?
<v Speaker 1>So we don't know how Karen gets the other gun,
<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden it's in the hallway
<v Speaker 1>and she empties it. And then somehow Norris has a
<v Speaker 1>third gun and uses that to shoot Chuck at the end.
<v Speaker 2>Or is it the same gun magically reloaded right? It
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense. Also, the detective he gets knocked
<v Speaker 2>out by Chucky with the baseball bat. Fine, so he's
<v Speaker 2>out for the scene. But then in the middle of
<v Speaker 2>this whole ending sequence he comes too correct. Right after
<v Speaker 2>they burn Chucky, he comes back to like so he
<v Speaker 2>sits up, but then he's not in the rest of
<v Speaker 2>the scene until the very end. So I was like,
<v Speaker 2>why isn't he helping out? And I rewatched it and
<v Speaker 2>I was like, there's one quick shot where it seems
<v Speaker 2>as though he passed out again, because, like you mentioned,
<v Speaker 2>you see Karen and Andy running around after the burn Chucky,
<v Speaker 2>the you know stuff, and it's like, where's the detective Now?
<v Speaker 2>I thought he woke up. I thought he regained consciousness,
<v Speaker 2>but apparently he passed out again in the middle of
<v Speaker 2>the scene because he's not effective at all until the
<v Speaker 2>end when he's firing a loaded gun all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>very confusing.
<v Speaker 1>Another one for me, Where the hell are all the
<v Speaker 1>other police? When Detective Norris calls in that he is
<v Speaker 1>pursuing Charles leed Ray. I mean, he's known as the
<v Speaker 1>Lake Shore Strangler, so he's got to be if you
<v Speaker 1>got a nickname, you're a big deal. And all they
<v Speaker 1>have is one cop car and goes off with the van.
<v Speaker 1>We're in Chicago, We're in a major metropolitan There should
<v Speaker 1>have been police cars showing up at some point in
<v Speaker 1>that scene, even if we just hear him outside twousand percent,
<v Speaker 1>where is everybody? It's just one on one with the
<v Speaker 1>Lake Shore strangler.
<v Speaker 2>Hell no, Yeah, where's the cavalry? Where's the backup? The
<v Speaker 2>cops should have been right there on the scene for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Great point that leads then to my next complaint because
<v Speaker 2>after that scene, we see this giant explosion, good guy's
<v Speaker 2>dolls flying everywhere. We know that Chucky was taken out
<v Speaker 2>of the box, we know that Charles Lee Ray put
<v Speaker 2>his bloody hands all over him. And then minutes later
<v Speaker 2>we see Karen and her friend Maggie go into the
<v Speaker 2>back alley and buy a Chucky doll off of a
<v Speaker 2>pedlar that found it supposedly at the back, you know,
<v Speaker 2>somewhere around or behind or in the dumpster of the
<v Speaker 2>toy store. No way, the doll, the box, any of
<v Speaker 2>it would look in pristine shape at all. Right, the
<v Speaker 2>box is a little ding duck, except but the doll
<v Speaker 2>would have blood all over it from Charles Lee Ray's hands.
<v Speaker 2>There would be ash all over it. There's just no
<v Speaker 2>way in hell that the peddler, a homeless guy or
<v Speaker 2>bump whatever he is, would have found that doll cleaned
<v Speaker 2>it up, made it all look nice, and found a
<v Speaker 2>box that somehow stayed intact, put it in the box,
<v Speaker 2>made it look nice, and then sold it for thirty
<v Speaker 2>bucks to Karen. No way, no way that that particular
<v Speaker 2>doll that Ray put his spirit into looked that good.
<v Speaker 2>One agree totally. I don't need to add anything else.
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking the same thing away Aunt Maggie and
<v Speaker 1>antswering quotes because I don't think it's an actual aunt,
<v Speaker 1>right right, that's just yeah. She gets a little too angry,
<v Speaker 1>a little too easy for me. Oh yeah, yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>mean it's Andy's birthday, his mom's got to work, and
<v Speaker 1>then she tells him to go to bed, and he's
<v Speaker 1>brushing his teeth, and then we find out Chucky's trying
<v Speaker 1>to watch the news to find out what happened to Eddie.
<v Speaker 1>She seems a little bit too mad at Andy about that.
<v Speaker 2>She comes down on him hard.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm like, come on, it's a six year old.
<v Speaker 1>If you never try to put a six year old
<v Speaker 1>to bed before in your life, I wish it was
<v Speaker 1>that easy, please.
<v Speaker 2>I totally agree. That stood out to me too when
<v Speaker 2>I was watching him, like, oh, don't don't be so mean,
<v Speaker 2>Just take it easy. You're right, it's a freaking birthday.
<v Speaker 1>Tell his mom gets home.
<v Speaker 2>I like that you are coming from a parent's perspective
<v Speaker 2>as well, because here's my next comment. If your six
<v Speaker 2>year old Bill Bant said to you that his new
<v Speaker 2>doll told him that his name was Charles Lee Ray,
<v Speaker 2>and then follow that up by saying Maggie was a
<v Speaker 2>real bitch and got what she deserved, what's the first
<v Speaker 2>thing you would do, sides tell him not to say
<v Speaker 2>things like that. Wouldn't you be supremely freaked out? Yes,
<v Speaker 2>And wouldn't you immediately look up the name Charles Lee Ray.
<v Speaker 2>It's wild to me that Karen doesn't know who Charles
<v Speaker 2>Lee Ray is until halfway through them even later on.
<v Speaker 2>It's a complaint of mind. That's true. She should that
<v Speaker 2>says absolutely, he's the Lake Shore strangler. So if she'd
<v Speaker 2>been watching the news at all, would know who this was.
<v Speaker 2>Or let's say she's working so much because she's a
<v Speaker 2>single mom understood, maybe she hasn't been paying attention to
<v Speaker 2>the news. But if your kid says the doll is
<v Speaker 2>inhabited by the specific name this person, and then later on,
<v Speaker 2>it's just there's no way she wouldn't know who Charles
<v Speaker 2>Lee Ray because she the detective says that's where Charles
<v Speaker 2>Lee Ray died. She's like who, And I'm like, wait
<v Speaker 2>a minute, you don't know who he is?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what, that's a good one. I didn't
<v Speaker 1>pick up on that, but it makes total sense. The
<v Speaker 1>fact that she seems to have the TV on all
<v Speaker 1>the time too. You would just kind of pick that
<v Speaker 1>up in passing. It would be leading the news and
<v Speaker 1>you're a single mom and you got to get back
<v Speaker 1>and forth to work. Yeah, you'd be scared shitless thinking
<v Speaker 1>that you could be the next victim. So she would
<v Speaker 1>do Sure, that is a good one. So Andy takes
<v Speaker 1>Chucky to school and then they ditch and they go
<v Speaker 1>in the worst part of the town, which he's a
<v Speaker 1>six year old. He has no idea where he is
<v Speaker 1>in the neighborhood. And I get that. I'm like so
<v Speaker 1>afraid for him, even though I know nothing's gonna happen
<v Speaker 1>to him. And then he leaves Chucky to go pee.
<v Speaker 1>Chucky takes off to take care of Eddie and then
<v Speaker 1>he hears gunfire and he's six, maybe he doesn't know
<v Speaker 1>what gunfire sounds like. But the fact that he runs
<v Speaker 1>towards it thinking it has something to.
<v Speaker 2>Do with Chucky.
<v Speaker 1>What and how he did not get hurt during that explosion,
<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure he was close enough to the house
<v Speaker 1>that he would have felt the shockwave. It would have
<v Speaker 1>knocked him on his ass for sure. Worst case, maybe
<v Speaker 1>getting hit with debris. That was hello, I get the doll.
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk into getting on the subway. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>how you paid for the subway going into a terrible neighborhood.
<v Speaker 1>You're a kid, you don't know any better.
<v Speaker 2>I get it. I wrote that down almost forbade him.
<v Speaker 1>I have it right here.
<v Speaker 2>It says, and when Andy Andy hears the gunshots from
<v Speaker 2>the house, he goes running toward it, thinking it's Chucky.
<v Speaker 2>That I was like that, I don't know would make Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>like he's concerned for Chuck, is sure. But from the
<v Speaker 2>beginning of that, I was like, wait a minute, this
<v Speaker 2>six year old kid just hopped on the l or
<v Speaker 2>the train by himself with a doll. No one notices,
<v Speaker 2>no one says anything to him. You know what, that
<v Speaker 2>doesn't surprise me. Unfortunately, a little kid that's only six
<v Speaker 2>by himself on the train, and by the way, I
<v Speaker 2>believe that it is in a deleted scene where Andy
<v Speaker 2>ends up in a ditch after the explosion. Oh okay,
<v Speaker 2>there was something shot where because I totally agree that
<v Speaker 2>I had that as well in the back of my
<v Speaker 2>mind at least where I was like, wow, that is
<v Speaker 2>a huge explosion.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he's pretty close to the house last time
<v Speaker 1>I was seeing that stop.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so yeah. Just there's some strangely written scenes
<v Speaker 2>here in the opening after Maggie dies, she gets killed
<v Speaker 2>and falls out the window. Great stunt, by the way. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>now we have we're introduced to Detective Michael Norris. Even
<v Speaker 2>we saw him in the opening scene, but here we
<v Speaker 2>get to we meet him officially. He's investigating the scene,
<v Speaker 2>the crime scene. Karen comes home and she's shocked, and
<v Speaker 2>supposedly the detective has already questioned the boy questioned Andy,
<v Speaker 2>and the point of the scene is that they found
<v Speaker 2>footprints in the baking flower on the countertop. And at
<v Speaker 2>this point the detective is like, don't worry, I looked
<v Speaker 2>through all of his shoes and none of them matched
<v Speaker 2>the prince. But then because Andy then comes out with
<v Speaker 2>Chucky in his arms, and Andy's saying some stuff and
<v Speaker 2>then says, Chucky wants to know what's going on here,
<v Speaker 2>and the detective says, oh, let me look at your slippers.
<v Speaker 2>What are you wearing on your feet? And I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't that have been the first thing you looked at
<v Speaker 2>the actual shoes that Andy was wearing before going through
<v Speaker 2>the other shoes. And then with in this same dialogue,
<v Speaker 2>Karen says, Andy already told you he wasn't up on
<v Speaker 2>the countertop, So what else do you want from him?
<v Speaker 2>How do you know that Andy never said anything that
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't about that was we weren't privy to that.
<v Speaker 2>There was no I didn't see that conversation. And it
<v Speaker 2>was weird when she said that. I was like, wait, no,
<v Speaker 2>he didn't say that, or was that part of the
<v Speaker 2>conversation he had with the detective and we just didn't
<v Speaker 2>see it, and so she's kind of relaying that information now.
<v Speaker 2>It was just odd stuff like that, a character choice
<v Speaker 2>and weird writing. I was like, something's either been deleted
<v Speaker 2>or it's backwards. It was wild. I'm trying to I
<v Speaker 2>just don't want to go too deep with this. There's
<v Speaker 2>a couple other.
<v Speaker 1>Moments here, even the shoe size, I mean Obviously the
<v Speaker 1>dolls got smaller feet than Andy, so they shouldn't have
<v Speaker 1>right away. That wasn't his not that I would have
<v Speaker 1>been maybe smart enough. Let me check all the dolls
<v Speaker 1>in the house and see if any of their footprints match.
<v Speaker 1>But you've ruled it out. Why are you still on
<v Speaker 1>top of that? So I agree with that.
<v Speaker 2>And then on top of all of that, Karen is
<v Speaker 2>obviously upset, and she's saying, I want all of you
<v Speaker 2>out of here, clear out, And the detective says, you're right,
<v Speaker 2>we're out here, and I'm like, no, no, you're not.
<v Speaker 2>This is a crime scene. You're sending Karen and Andy
<v Speaker 2>to a hotel to spend the night. You don't just leave.
<v Speaker 2>That scene's gonna be totally contaminated. What are you talking?
<v Speaker 1>You can't well, just the fact that she so easily
<v Speaker 1>even got in, Yeah, good point. They should have stopped
<v Speaker 1>at the front door and been like, look, it's a
<v Speaker 1>crime scene and then called Norris over, and then Norris
<v Speaker 1>brings her in and takes her wreck to Andy. She
<v Speaker 1>just got by everybody. That made no sense. Yeah, she's
<v Speaker 1>contaminating the scene even more.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great point. Detective's like, yeah, all right,
<v Speaker 2>we'll take off. Sorry, sorry to get in your way.
<v Speaker 2>We'll just leave the table. If somebody was just murdered here,
<v Speaker 2>diet Yeah, I love that. When after this entire action sequence,
<v Speaker 2>when Chucky is attacking Detective Michael Norris in his car
<v Speaker 2>and it's a whole thing because he's driving the whole
<v Speaker 2>time and he's losing control and Chucky's trying to stab
<v Speaker 2>him through the seat and all this thing, the car flips,
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Well, Karen has gone to Charles Lee Ray's
<v Speaker 2>home and is seeing all this artwork on the walls
<v Speaker 2>regarding his voodoo activities. Right, and then we know that
<v Speaker 2>the detective survives the attack by Chucky and goes to
<v Speaker 2>Charles Lee Ray's home as well to catch up with Karen,
<v Speaker 2>and he says, oh, hey, Karen, I did find out
<v Speaker 2>a couple of things. I pulled Charles Lee's Ray's file.
<v Speaker 2>One he goes by the nickname Chucky. Great okay. Two
<v Speaker 2>he's associated with his John doctor death Guy. And I'm like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>how about this detective. Three you just got brutally attacked
<v Speaker 2>by a killer doll. He doesn't even mention it.
<v Speaker 1>Nope, what are we doing?
<v Speaker 2>Like The whole thing is she thinks the doll is alive.
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't. He doesn't believe her. But now he's been attacked,
<v Speaker 2>he saw it firsthand. Wouldn't that be one of the
<v Speaker 2>first things he says out of his mouth when he
<v Speaker 2>catches up with her at Charles Lee Ray's house and
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh my god, you are right this whole time.
<v Speaker 2>Andy was right this whole time. The doll is alive.
<v Speaker 1>Well, the fact two is he already said he's been
<v Speaker 1>at the house, so he should already know that. The
<v Speaker 1>picture and John match like. He almost seems surprised by
<v Speaker 1>that too. Good point is this the first time you're
<v Speaker 1>looking at the final What the hell's going on there?
<v Speaker 1>He should have just went there and said, I believe you.
<v Speaker 1>I just got attacked by Chucky, right, and this is
<v Speaker 1>the man we're looking for right now, and then shows
<v Speaker 1>her the picture and then she looks at the wall.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh shit, that's the same guy. Not them
<v Speaker 1>both being like oh wow. But yeah, that whole scene
<v Speaker 1>went chucky. Part of me liked the fact when the
<v Speaker 1>car flipped over and he's down there with the gun
<v Speaker 1>and we're seeing Chuck you run around it, But if
<v Speaker 1>I was Chucky, I would have jumped on the top
<v Speaker 1>of the car, cut the gas line, set the car
<v Speaker 1>on fire. See you later done.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 1>I kept saying to myself, like, Norris, why are you
<v Speaker 1>not getting out of the car unless you're badly hurt?
<v Speaker 2>A couple of times? Yeah, yeah, there's that. Yeah. And
<v Speaker 2>it seems like Chucky's got him dead to rights with
<v Speaker 2>the knife, like he could just stab him in the
<v Speaker 2>face a couple of times and just didn't. And then
<v Speaker 2>on top of this is where I have a dialogue
<v Speaker 2>issue again, because in the sequence when they're still driving
<v Speaker 2>and attacking, when Chuck's attacking him, Detective Norris manages to
<v Speaker 2>get the lighter out of the dashboard and burn Chucky
<v Speaker 2>on the face and he screams out in pain. Then
<v Speaker 2>minutes later, Michael tries to shoot Chucky and Chucky says,
<v Speaker 2>you can't hurt me. He just did. Yep, he just
<v Speaker 2>burned you on the face. Why are you saying he
<v Speaker 2>can't hurt you.
<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, I love when Chucky gets shot and
<v Speaker 1>it would just start like flying.
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. I wanted to end on a high note here,
<v Speaker 2>or a positive note, because we got some complaints, obviously numerous,
<v Speaker 2>but that ridiculous ending sequence. There are so many cool
<v Speaker 2>effects with Chucky, the way he's walking. There's one great
<v Speaker 2>shot of him walking down the hallway and he's doing
<v Speaker 2>this thing with his arm with the knife. It's kind
<v Speaker 2>of going up and down and it looks like a
<v Speaker 2>doll but human at the same time. And all the animatronics.
<v Speaker 2>But you're right. The shots when Chucky gets shot, yes,
<v Speaker 2>and goes flying backward in slow motion, slamming against the
<v Speaker 2>wall or whatever, are fantastic. I can't get enough of those.
<v Speaker 2>I love him anytime he gets shot and like limbs
<v Speaker 2>are flying in slow motion. He's just getting blown away.
<v Speaker 2>But you're right in that sequence with the detective in
<v Speaker 2>the car and he shoots him and he's just like ah,
<v Speaker 2>he goes flying backwards, all in slow motion. It looks
<v Speaker 2>so great. Lots of fun. All right, I'm gonna end
<v Speaker 2>my complaints.
<v Speaker 1>I think I'll onto two, even though I have some more,
<v Speaker 1>but we need to move on, all right, Okay, time
<v Speaker 1>to move on to Hey, what's that actor? So in
<v Speaker 1>this segment with Spotlight, a character actor you have seen
<v Speaker 1>in many other films, an actor making their big screen
<v Speaker 1>debut or an actor that makes an on credited cameo.
<v Speaker 1>It's hey, it's that actor. Who do we choose this week?
<v Speaker 2>This week we have chosen as our hay, It's that
<v Speaker 2>actor Dinah Manoff. She plays Maggie. She's Karen's coworker and bestie,
<v Speaker 2>also known as Aunt Maggie. Her career dates back to
<v Speaker 2>the mid seventies, and she does a little TV but
<v Speaker 2>gets a big break yes Marty Maraschino, in a little
<v Speaker 2>film called Grease. She does also do fifteen episodes of
<v Speaker 2>the show Soap in nineteen seventy eight. But here's her
<v Speaker 2>eighties snapshot. She was in Ordinary People in nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 2>in the role of Karen, and she received a Tony
<v Speaker 2>Award in nineteen eighty for he performance in the Broadway
<v Speaker 2>production of Neil Simons I Ought to be in pictures
<v Speaker 2>role she reprised in the nineteen eighty two film version,
<v Speaker 2>starring opposite Walter Mathow. She does a whole bunch of
<v Speaker 2>TV episodes in TV movies This Child's Playing eighty eight,
<v Speaker 2>and then she does one hundred and seventy episodes of
<v Speaker 2>the show Empty Nest from nineteen eighty eight to ninety five,
<v Speaker 2>playing the role of Carol Weston. After that, she did
<v Speaker 2>do thirty nine episodes of the TV series State of
<v Speaker 2>Grace from two thousand and one to two thousand and two,
<v Speaker 2>and then seems like she hung it up around two
<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight. Little trivia for you. In the film
<v Speaker 2>musical Grease, which is from nineteen seventy eight, Dinah managed
<v Speaker 2>to nab the plucky sex pop role of Marty Maraschino,
<v Speaker 2>despite the fact she lacked in dancing and singing skills,
<v Speaker 2>She faked her way through auditions and her personality alone
<v Speaker 2>got her the part. Later, when it came down to
<v Speaker 2>doing the choreography, Dinah remained conveniently hidden in the background.
<v Speaker 2>There you go.
<v Speaker 1>I forgot it was her an Greece and as I
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, yeah, totally, but I more remember her
<v Speaker 1>for Empty Nests.
<v Speaker 2>There you go. I never watched that show.
<v Speaker 1>And then when you mentioned you ought to be in pictures,
<v Speaker 1>I have seen that and I couldn't stand.
<v Speaker 2>Her in that movie. I got you all right.
<v Speaker 1>Time to move on to facts and trivia. What facts
<v Speaker 1>and trivia do we have left for child's play to
<v Speaker 1>share with our audience?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, despite their long running collaborative effort to bring
<v Speaker 2>Chucky to life. Voice actor Brad Doriff and special effects
<v Speaker 2>wizard Kevin Yaeger never met in person until they were
<v Speaker 2>both guests at a Horror convention in May of twenty eighteen.
<v Speaker 1>So you didn't get invited to the wedding.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's tough. That's tough.
<v Speaker 1>So the original working title for the film was Batteries
<v Speaker 1>Not Include it. But guess what, Steven Spielberg produced a
<v Speaker 1>movie of the same name, so that got mixed, and
<v Speaker 1>then it was changed to Blood Buddy. I guess I
<v Speaker 1>was a little too close to My Buddy, So now
<v Speaker 1>they settled for Child's Play, which I actually think is
<v Speaker 1>probably the best title of the three.
<v Speaker 2>I agree, and uh speaking, which we're going to connect this,
<v Speaker 2>but I'd read that the my Buddy doll line never
<v Speaker 2>recovered from the first Child's Play movie, and I didn't
<v Speaker 2>do any further research into the My Buddy legacy, like
<v Speaker 2>how badly did Child's Play affect the My Buddy sales?
<v Speaker 1>I could see that it would for sure. Yeah, my Buddy, man,
<v Speaker 1>that was one of the most catchy jingles. I remember
<v Speaker 1>that kid, Ye, yeah, my buddy and the kids were
<v Speaker 1>playing in the park with them my body and me.
<v Speaker 2>That's it. That's it. Did I know.
<v Speaker 1>Anybody with My Buddy? I might have known one at
<v Speaker 1>the head of My Buddy Dell, and I think right
<v Speaker 1>away we were like, oh yeah, Chucky, there ket it,
<v Speaker 1>that's the problem.
<v Speaker 2>Yep. But you had mentioned one of the earlier titles
<v Speaker 2>for Child's play was Blood Buddy, because it was going
<v Speaker 2>to be based on My Buddy kind of a little
<v Speaker 2>more closely. But the first draft of the script was
<v Speaker 2>actually completed in the summer of eighty five and referenced
<v Speaker 2>Chucky as Buddy, who came to life after mixing blood
<v Speaker 2>with Andy and killed those that were against Andy, for example,
<v Speaker 2>the babysitter and teacher, and manifesting Andy's loneliness and isolation
<v Speaker 2>from an overworked mother and absent father. In addition to
<v Speaker 2>being more psychologically driven horror film, Buddy also only came
<v Speaker 2>alive at night when Andy was asleep, So that was
<v Speaker 2>the original version. Yeah, it'd be interesting. Yeah, I kind
<v Speaker 2>of like it. Blood Buddy, Yeah, me too. Sounds a
<v Speaker 2>lot darker.
<v Speaker 1>So the film used various ways to betray Chucky, including
<v Speaker 1>rc animatronics and little people or child actors Various animatronics
<v Speaker 1>and cosmetics were used for every scene throughout the movie.
<v Speaker 1>Chucky's cosmetics transition from looking toy like to more human look.
<v Speaker 1>The film created multiple Chucky animatronics, such as a flailing
<v Speaker 1>tantrum Chucky, a walking Chucky, and a stationary Chucky. The
<v Speaker 1>Amatronk's face was controlled by a remote control through a
<v Speaker 1>rig that goes on one's face and captures facial movements.
<v Speaker 1>In the scene where Chucky runs behind Maggie in the hallway,
<v Speaker 1>Chucky was actually played by Alex Vincent's younger sister great Stuff.
<v Speaker 2>We had mentioned that there is definitely homage to the
<v Speaker 2>shining in that final action sequence, and on top of that,
<v Speaker 2>Brad Dorriff claims that his Chucky voice was just his
<v Speaker 2>Jack Nicholson impression, which makes complete sense, and if you
<v Speaker 2>know that and you're listening to him, you can really
<v Speaker 2>hear that you do in a couple of moments. I
<v Speaker 2>thought this was cool because it is featured in the film. Obviously,
<v Speaker 2>is the building where Karen and Andy live. That's the
<v Speaker 2>Chicago Landmark Brewster Building, and the Brewster Building also appears
<v Speaker 2>in the scene where Gregor y Hines and Billy Crystal
<v Speaker 2>must surrender their trousers to Jimmy Smith's in Running Scared
<v Speaker 2>from eighty six, which we covered on this very pod,
<v Speaker 2>and it can also be seen on the right outside
<v Speaker 2>Drew Carey's office in the Drew Carrey showing from ninety five.
<v Speaker 1>So, according to Tom Holland, the shot of Maggie falling
<v Speaker 1>to her death was achieved by having a stunt woman
<v Speaker 1>do the main shot, followed by a concrete filled dummy
<v Speaker 1>when she hits the car, which had charges underneath the
<v Speaker 1>windows to shatter.
<v Speaker 2>Them look great. Back to the effects, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if you had mentioned this that Ed Gayle was hired
<v Speaker 2>to play Chucky for the fire scene, and since he
<v Speaker 2>was around thirty percent taller than the doll, the filmmakers
<v Speaker 2>created a living room stage that was thirty percent bigger
<v Speaker 2>and actually set him on fire. But they did use
<v Speaker 2>forced perspective for a couple of the sets because the
<v Speaker 2>doll is supposed to be I think two feet tall,
<v Speaker 2>but then they were using either children or a little
<v Speaker 2>person to portray Chucky, and obviously they're still taller than
<v Speaker 2>two feet, right, so they had to make the room
<v Speaker 2>look bigger to make him look smaller.
<v Speaker 1>I think I missed that forced perspective. Director Tom Holland
<v Speaker 1>makes some cameos in this movie, so he is the
<v Speaker 1>voice of the creepy costume most of the Good Guy's
<v Speaker 1>program that Andy's watching at the beginning, that's a terrible costume, and.
<v Speaker 2>Then it is.
<v Speaker 1>And then if you look at some of the pictures
<v Speaker 1>in the apartment of Andy's father, that's actually Tom Holland.
<v Speaker 2>Also, there you go. I just wanted to mention that
<v Speaker 2>in the reboot of Child's Play in twenty nineteen, that
<v Speaker 2>the voice of Chucky was performed by none other than
<v Speaker 2>Mark Hamill.
<v Speaker 1>That's the only reason why I want to say it,
<v Speaker 1>just to hear what voice he was going to do
<v Speaker 1>for that. So, composer John Rinzetti and singer songwriter Simon
<v Speaker 1>Stokes recorded an ending credits villain's song about Chucky the
<v Speaker 1>Doll that wasn't used in the final finished film because
<v Speaker 1>studio executives thought it made Chucky seem less scary. The
<v Speaker 1>song can be heard in the home video trailer for
<v Speaker 1>the film, and you can find it on YouTube. And
<v Speaker 1>I'd let you decide for yourself if they should have
<v Speaker 1>kept it or not. I think I agree with the execs.
<v Speaker 1>The tune is catchy.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I gotta listen to this.
<v Speaker 1>They almost sing out the story for you. That's kind
<v Speaker 1>of what happens. But it does kind of have like
<v Speaker 1>that toy theme kind of thing going for it too.
<v Speaker 2>I liked it, but I was like.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know if I would have put it
<v Speaker 1>in the movie. I'll put the link in the show
<v Speaker 1>notes so you can find it and listen for yourself.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, lick to know. What do you think about it?
<v Speaker 2>Love it? I gotta check it out, give it a listen.
<v Speaker 2>I also wished I had this on DVD. It seems
<v Speaker 2>like there's some good commentary and some behind the scenes stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And one last thing I'll mention is that during that
<v Speaker 2>commentary on the DVD, as mentioned that originally Chucky is
<v Speaker 2>decapitated while approaching Karen and And in this final sequence, but
<v Speaker 2>not by Karen shooting his head off, but instead by
<v Speaker 2>Detective Mike quickly entering the frame and knocking his head
<v Speaker 2>off with the baseball bat. Supposedly, if you slow that
<v Speaker 2>scene down, you can actually see a bat coming into
<v Speaker 2>frame and knocking Chucky's head off.
<v Speaker 1>That's the bummer watching him.
<v Speaker 2>It streaming right, I couldn't slow it down, and I
<v Speaker 2>could not, so I watched it a few times. I
<v Speaker 2>couldn't see the bat in the frame, but same, I
<v Speaker 2>really wanted to.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, damn it, I have this on DVD. No
<v Speaker 1>for sure, all right, Jason. Alternate titles, Yeah, here we go.
<v Speaker 2>In Italy.
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do the Italian verse verse in the
<v Speaker 1>translation La Bambola Assassinina nice, which is the Killer Doll,
<v Speaker 1>Latin America Chucky, the Devil Toy, Brazil, Killer Toy, Germany Chucky,
<v Speaker 1>the Killer Doll, Greece, the Devil's Doll, Netherlands just the doll.
<v Speaker 1>Poland is Chucky, the Doll, Portugal is Chucky, the Diabolical Doll. Oh, Romania,
<v Speaker 1>Wait on this one, Toy Spain, we have Devil Doll,
<v Speaker 1>Sweden the Evil Doll, and Taiwan. They must have been
<v Speaker 1>watching a different movie, Supernatural Invasion.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Maybe it kind of works.
<v Speaker 1>But that's some alternate titles for you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's hard to choose my favorite with those because
<v Speaker 2>some of them are so like I like the abstract
<v Speaker 2>ones that almost have nothing to do with the subject
<v Speaker 2>matter of the film. But I think the Diabolical Doll
<v Speaker 2>is my favorite, hands down.
<v Speaker 1>It's toy.
<v Speaker 2>That's great. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Moving on to box office, so, Child's Play was released
<v Speaker 1>on November ninth, nineteen eighty eight and one and seventy
<v Speaker 1>seven theaters with an estimated budget of just eight million.
<v Speaker 1>Child's Play turned out to be a box office hit.
<v Speaker 1>It pulled in thirty three point two million domestically and
<v Speaker 1>added another eleven million internationally. The film made a strong debut,
<v Speaker 1>landing at number one in its opening weekend, but by
<v Speaker 1>the next week it slipped to number two, edged down
<v Speaker 1>by the Land Before Time. Still, it held strong, staying
<v Speaker 1>in the top ten for three more weeks. By the
<v Speaker 1>end of its run, Child's Play ranked as the thirty
<v Speaker 1>third highest grossing film of the year in the US,
<v Speaker 1>coming in just behind Mississippi Burning. Second time we've mentioned
<v Speaker 1>in Mississippi Burning in this episode. I never thought that
<v Speaker 1>would happen, but we did. Moving on to reviews. From
<v Speaker 1>growing up in the eighties, we would watch at the
<v Speaker 1>movies with Gene Cisco and Roger Eber to hear their
<v Speaker 1>reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies. Their review of
<v Speaker 1>Child's Play was split. Jeane found the movie silly and
<v Speaker 1>didn't buy it at all. Roger thought the movie was
<v Speaker 1>well made, with convincing performances by Catherine Hickson Alex Vincent.
<v Speaker 1>He thought it was an effective horror film Rotten Tomatoes
<v Speaker 1>because it made meter score of sixty four percent, with
<v Speaker 1>a Popcorn Meter score of sixty five percent, and also
<v Speaker 1>has an IMDb rating of six point seven. So it
<v Speaker 1>takes this to additional thoughts and questions. Do you have
<v Speaker 1>any additional thoughts questions about Child's play.
<v Speaker 2>We know that Charles Lee Ray is a murderer son
<v Speaker 2>of a bitch, But I was like, why does he
<v Speaker 2>kill Maggie just because he's a murderer. Yeah. I couldn't
<v Speaker 2>figure that out. There's lacking some motivation there. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>know what why why he murder? I was like, why
<v Speaker 2>would you kill Maggie?
<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't let him watch TV?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's like I'm like, or he she prevented him
<v Speaker 2>from leaving the apartment, distracted, whatever it was, he had
<v Speaker 2>some sort he was just pissed at her. Yeah, he's like,
<v Speaker 2>smack around the forehead with a tiny, tiny hammer, yep,
<v Speaker 2>send her flying through a window. And I don't know
<v Speaker 2>why this was bothering me the whole time?
<v Speaker 1>Is how pissed is that Toy Star owner the next
<v Speaker 1>morning when he comes and just sees Oh, so, who
<v Speaker 1>do you think covers the cost for that rebuild? Do
<v Speaker 1>you think it's the owner's insurance? Or does the city
<v Speaker 1>pitch in because of what happened in the store.
<v Speaker 2>Because they could claim it was the result of the
<v Speaker 2>police activity that occurred there, correct? Yeah? Or I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if they have insurance for lightning strikes? Right, like
<v Speaker 2>a natural disaster sort of thing. Storm? Yeah? Yeah, what
<v Speaker 2>a mess? What an absolutely yeah? I mean, what a
<v Speaker 2>It's a complete disaster. It's a total total.
<v Speaker 1>Christ is right around the corner too. So, man, the
<v Speaker 1>guy's double screwed.
<v Speaker 2>A no kidding, This is a real nitpicky thing. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>I would actually think this is probably how Bill Bant thinks.
<v Speaker 2>If Charles Lee Ray has possessed this particular doll and
<v Speaker 2>the doll has no batteries in it, how is he
<v Speaker 2>able to perform the actual doll voice? Hmm? It's super
<v Speaker 2>like overthinking it because you would think, as he's possessed doll,
<v Speaker 2>he's going to speak as himself Charles Lee Ray. But
<v Speaker 2>there's no batteries in it, and the doll has a
<v Speaker 2>very specific voice when it has batteries in it, and
<v Speaker 2>so now Charles Ray, with no batteries in it, has
<v Speaker 2>to mimic the doll's voice.
<v Speaker 1>I'll try to go two ways on this one. One
<v Speaker 1>Good Guy's Dolls is everywhere just as much as everyone
<v Speaker 1>knows about the Lake Shore Strangler, so he probably knows
<v Speaker 1>the voice. Maybe he's heard it as much as people
<v Speaker 1>have heard about him. I don't know, you know, maybe
<v Speaker 1>it likes cartoons. Who knows. The second thing is you
<v Speaker 1>think with the doll itself, there is the audio is
<v Speaker 1>already and there is, so maybe he just activates the audio.
<v Speaker 2>That's I think that's the simple answer. Yeah, he manipulates
<v Speaker 2>the doll, I mean energy, his spiritual forces manipulating dolls,
<v Speaker 2>so he would be able.
<v Speaker 1>To activate the voice. I like that question though, that
<v Speaker 1>could be a bill question.
<v Speaker 2>It's like one of those questions where Jesus I would
<v Speaker 2>have never thought of that. Why are you thinking even
<v Speaker 2>thinking in that direction? Why are you thinking about that?
<v Speaker 2>I like that. I got a couple more here, but one.
<v Speaker 2>The screen would be real tough for Chucky as the
<v Speaker 2>doll he gets around town by himself. A few times
<v Speaker 2>in this movie, he takes he runs away from Karen,
<v Speaker 2>goes down the elevator, takes off. How hard would it
<v Speaker 2>be for Chucky to get around town without being noticed
<v Speaker 2>just by general public, right, you know what I mean?
<v Speaker 2>Like he'd have to constantly For instance, near the end,
<v Speaker 2>when the older couple is in the elevator and he
<v Speaker 2>plays dead or plays quiet, you know, as the doll
<v Speaker 2>in the corner of the elevator, and there's the funny
<v Speaker 2>moment when the woman's like, what an ugly doll or
<v Speaker 2>something of that fact, and he's like, fuck you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, shot to wife, that's her favorite scene.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, it's great. But if he's by himself without Andy,
<v Speaker 2>just walking about town, he's got to travel in the
<v Speaker 2>cover of night, down dark alleys, and anytime a human
<v Speaker 2>a person comes across him, he would have to go quiet,
<v Speaker 2>go limp, and pretend just to be the doll.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, a little toy story reaction there. Yeah, that's
<v Speaker 1>a good question. So he gets out to Eddie's with
<v Speaker 1>the help of Andy, that's true. There's a couple of
<v Speaker 1>times he's got to go across town. How the fuck
<v Speaker 1>does he do that?
<v Speaker 2>Two times? Specifically once when he runs out of the
<v Speaker 2>apartment after Karen threatens to throw him in the fire.
<v Speaker 2>The first time and the second time is when he
<v Speaker 2>leaves the psychiatric hospital to go back to Andy's apartment
<v Speaker 2>to get him. Yeah, he's traveling by himself.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I was thinking when he ran out of
<v Speaker 1>the apartment, I'm like, I wonder if he's just somewhere
<v Speaker 1>in the area. And then once Detective Norris pulls up,
<v Speaker 1>he's somehow knocking the back. I don't know how he's
<v Speaker 1>stuck into the car, but yeah, there's definitely times he's
<v Speaker 1>he's got to go a distance. Right, These are the
<v Speaker 1>things we think about as adults. Unfortunately, it's kind it's
<v Speaker 1>fun to think about, but sometimes it's annoying. That's a
<v Speaker 1>good one.
<v Speaker 2>I like that one. I wonder if that's Please listeners
<v Speaker 2>tell us if that actually is addressed in the sequels
<v Speaker 2>or in the TV series.
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if yeah, I gotta start watching them all
<v Speaker 1>again now, God damn it. Yeah, right, damn me, chucky,
<v Speaker 1>I got fine, that's what happens.
<v Speaker 2>I have one fun last observation here, Okay, question is
<v Speaker 2>Karen a good mom? Now? Look, I have the utmost
<v Speaker 2>respect for single mothers, trust me. But you know, in
<v Speaker 2>this beginning, she knews his birthday. She knew her son
<v Speaker 2>really wanted a good guy doll, but she didn't have
<v Speaker 2>enough time to save up for it. And on his
<v Speaker 2>birthday she gift wraps a large box which looks identical
<v Speaker 2>to a good Guy's doll box. And when he opens it,
<v Speaker 2>it's got some clothes in it, and she just pulls
<v Speaker 2>like a pair of jeans out of this giant box,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what the why would you put the
<v Speaker 2>jeans in a giant box like that and wrap it?
<v Speaker 2>I get parents trying to get be cute every once
<v Speaker 2>in a while. Even my parents would do this, like Christmas.
<v Speaker 2>They would wrap a big box and it was like
<v Speaker 2>a Russian doll situation where you'd unwrap it and there'd
<v Speaker 2>be a smaller box inside of it and then a
<v Speaker 2>smaller box inside of that, and you know what. It
<v Speaker 2>was kind of funny at the time, but it sort
<v Speaker 2>of pissed me off too. As a kid, if you
<v Speaker 2>see a big box and you think it's you just
<v Speaker 2>automatically think it's a big present, that's the big ticket
<v Speaker 2>item that you've been waiting for. And that's that don't
<v Speaker 2>mess with your kids hopes that way. That's just my
<v Speaker 2>little commentary.
<v Speaker 1>There.
<v Speaker 2>I felt for Andy, There I got. I got a
<v Speaker 2>little mad at I got a little mad at Karen.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like pants.
<v Speaker 2>Come on, put the pants in a smaller box.
<v Speaker 1>It's only getting two presents. One's a pair of pants
<v Speaker 1>and a good guy's tool. Outside of that, I think
<v Speaker 1>she did a pretty good job for being a single mom.
<v Speaker 2>No, she was Yeah, she was good. She's good, all right.
<v Speaker 1>Tied to move on to a rating. So on a
<v Speaker 1>scale of one to five good guys, dolls, what do
<v Speaker 1>you give child's play?
<v Speaker 2>This was tough because after the first rewatch, I was
<v Speaker 2>a little disappointed because the story really just the or
<v Speaker 2>lack thereof, or the strange dialogue writing character choices threw
<v Speaker 2>me off and it took me out of the just simple, fun,
<v Speaker 2>entertaining aspect of this movie. So originally I was going
<v Speaker 2>to give it two and a half good Guys, but
<v Speaker 2>I'm raising it to a three because upon revisiting the
<v Speaker 2>film for the notes and the favorite scenes, et cetera,
<v Speaker 2>there's some really great stuff in here that's very inventive
<v Speaker 2>and creative with the doll, the way it's shot, the effects,
<v Speaker 2>the effects alone in Brad Doriff's voice of the doll,
<v Speaker 2>and the fun just the idea just raised it to
<v Speaker 2>a three for me. So I'm going to give it
<v Speaker 2>three good guys Dolls for now, reserving the right to
<v Speaker 2>change it later on, but absolutely love the conceit of
<v Speaker 2>this film. The idea is really creepy. I mentioned the
<v Speaker 2>story is super flawed, that whole ending sequence has a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of problems, but overall it's still fun and it
<v Speaker 2>goes by quickly, and my suspension of disbelief it was
<v Speaker 2>there for the most part. It was just unfortunately the
<v Speaker 2>writing would take me out here and there. But overall
<v Speaker 2>it's still still worth a three because of the legacy
<v Speaker 2>it has and you know, spawning so many sequels and
<v Speaker 2>it's fun eighties horror. What I just I can't overthink
<v Speaker 2>it too much, and I think I was guilty of that,
<v Speaker 2>as you could hear in this podcast, but I'm try
<v Speaker 2>and correct that. I'm giving it three.
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's funny, Jason, because I initially started with a
<v Speaker 1>three and then I bumped it up three and a half.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, nice, because I do like the premise exactly.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the movie is that scary, and yes,
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of things with scenes being cut
<v Speaker 1>out or dialogue that we've all discussed that are issues.
<v Speaker 1>But I think because of the three main characters, Chucky,
<v Speaker 1>Andy and Karen, they do a great job. They carry
<v Speaker 1>this and the fact that all these special effects were
<v Speaker 1>done in eighty seven are into eighty eight and percent
<v Speaker 1>of them still work. For me today, I'm like, wow,
<v Speaker 1>I would have to recommend this movie who had not
<v Speaker 1>seen it. I did enjoy it.
<v Speaker 2>I love it totally great, so much credit to all
<v Speaker 2>of the effects crew members. Definitely all right.
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<v Speaker 1>We hope you join us next time as we dive
<v Speaker 1>into another classic from the greatest movie decade ever, the
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties. Till then, stay cool, stay retro. Have an
<v Speaker 1>excellent day. Everyone, We're friends to the end.
<v Speaker 2>Remember this is the end, friend, thanks for staying up
<v Speaker 2>with us.
<v Speaker 3>Good Night world, m hmmmmmmmmmmm.
<v Speaker 2>But the real terror takes hold when the deranged doll
<v Speaker 2>becomes determined to transfer his evil spirit to a lieve
<v Speaker 2>the ship