Building a Social Media Empire | Nathan Kessel

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<v Speaker 3>topic of social media, today, we have a very very
<v Speaker 3>special guest for you. You know him well, tens of
<v Speaker 3>millions of followers across all social media, hundreds of millions
<v Speaker 3>or billions of views the.
<v Speaker 2>YouTube over fourteen billion. Combined with that was a bee folks. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>in three and a half years huss all over twenty
<v Speaker 2>five billions.
<v Speaker 3>Geez, you heard the man himself, mister Nathan Kessel. Thank
<v Speaker 3>you so much for being here. By it's great to
<v Speaker 3>be here.
<v Speaker 2>Man.
<v Speaker 1>You get your own soundtrack. That's amazing. Good for you,
<v Speaker 1>Good for you, pal.
<v Speaker 2>It's always so like jarring to be sitting in front
<v Speaker 2>of you gym because it's like I, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>remember when I was just a baby.
<v Speaker 1>We have that effect on everyone, Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Like watching growing up, watching Way of the po now
<v Speaker 2>being here absolutely wild.
<v Speaker 1>Thanks thanks for saying that. Appreciate that that that's good,
<v Speaker 1>that is good stuff. Well, you are quite the sensation.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, man, oh man, I mean, and you do
<v Speaker 1>it all with a with a fabulous sidekick. And there
<v Speaker 1>will be some questions coming up about your and a
<v Speaker 1>gorgeous mansion house. That that helps, and and we'll be
<v Speaker 1>talking about some of your furniture exposing me.
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it, man, let's do it. But we're glad
<v Speaker 2>to have you.
<v Speaker 1>Thank thank you for carving out some time here.
<v Speaker 2>For you any time.
<v Speaker 1>Man, that's amazing. What the heck is your workday?
<v Speaker 2>Like, okay, I mean for a lot of different creators,
<v Speaker 2>it can be nine to five, it can be nine
<v Speaker 2>to nine, and for some people it can be like
<v Speaker 2>an hour a day. And for me, I used to
<v Speaker 2>spend more of like the nine to five type of
<v Speaker 2>craftsmanship on my craft. But with social media, as we know,
<v Speaker 2>every good thing comes to an end. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>each series on social media has a lifespan of anywhere
<v Speaker 2>from like you know, six months up to six years.
<v Speaker 2>And when I was starting, I did this Karen series
<v Speaker 2>that you won't be able to find really anywhere on
<v Speaker 2>the internet. And it was where you know, I had
<v Speaker 2>this awful neighbor Karen, and we had a neighborhood feud.
<v Speaker 1>You know, well that's her thing.
<v Speaker 3>It's her name actually, Karen, No, it is my mom.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And it was like the height of the
<v Speaker 2>Karen memes. So I was like, what if I had
<v Speaker 2>this like awful neighbor Carrien. We just kept pranking each other.
<v Speaker 2>She kept calling me Ethan and I would spend literally
<v Speaker 2>like eight am until eight pm every single day. And
<v Speaker 2>the first video I think, got like forty million, and
<v Speaker 2>then the next one got like seventy four million, and
<v Speaker 2>then it just kept going, and then that series eventually
<v Speaker 2>it's called falling Off, right, the series fell off, it died,
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I will never spend this kind
<v Speaker 2>of time on this job ever again. And that's when
<v Speaker 2>I started doing like the Balls of Fate, and I
<v Speaker 2>was like Balls of Fate and it's like your best
<v Speaker 2>friend has to give you fifty bucks or your best
<v Speaker 2>friend has to give you five hundred bucks, and I
<v Speaker 2>was like, wow, that took like one minute to film.
<v Speaker 2>Cool and that got fifty million views every time as well,
<v Speaker 2>or one hundred million views. When I would do is if.
<v Speaker 1>You got I say, you don't have your magic bond
<v Speaker 1>with you. But is it back at the ranch? Is
<v Speaker 1>that what? Because that's amazing. I mean, which which one?
<v Speaker 1>The Golden Touch, the Golden Everything is like ring fifty million,
<v Speaker 1>please catching.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's it's just a constantly evolving thing,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's it. It really is like some
<v Speaker 2>people have it, some people don't. Some people spend it
<v Speaker 2>doing a different way, and everybody's like Golden Touch is
<v Speaker 2>different and we all have a different impact and a
<v Speaker 2>different like superpower.
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>Some people are meant to be engineer, some people are
<v Speaker 2>meant to be creatives. And it's really amazing to get
<v Speaker 2>to be in this space where you know, I used
<v Speaker 2>to be a trained opera singer and then pivoting into
<v Speaker 2>the world of social media was a really different thing.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't know if I wouldn't think yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think I was gonna be able to do it.
<v Speaker 2>But within the first like two weeks, I started going
<v Speaker 2>pretty viral, and within a month I had landed my
<v Speaker 2>first viral series, atlant And when is that? What year
<v Speaker 2>is that? That was twenty twenty. So I downloaded TikTok
<v Speaker 2>on March third of twenty twenty, and by April fourteenth,
<v Speaker 2>that was when I you owned it. I owned I
<v Speaker 2>had spoiled milk in the fridge. I was living at home,
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, all right, let me grab some
<v Speaker 2>rubber bands. And I had my mom's like goggles because
<v Speaker 2>she she used to be an engineer back in the
<v Speaker 2>eighties and nineties, got her goggles from the A and
<v Speaker 2>I was like, all right, I guess it's time to
<v Speaker 2>go put rubber bands on this spoiled milk jug and
<v Speaker 2>it just broke the internet. Really.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I'm really curious about like the full pivot
<v Speaker 3>to Like, so I'm gonna frame it this way. To me,
<v Speaker 3>you're of this kind of like I want to say,
<v Speaker 3>it's like the second wave of social media influencers. To me,
<v Speaker 3>the first wave was kind of like like Jenna Marbles yea,
<v Speaker 3>and you know, like you know, back in that timeframe,
<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of drawing a blank.
<v Speaker 2>But like David Dobrik Mister Beast Yeah yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I mean even even before the Mister Beasts and everything
<v Speaker 3>like that, you know, I'm thinking more like uh like
<v Speaker 3>Linus Tech Tips or like you know, channels that were
<v Speaker 3>kind of more like long form educational.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like to me, even Jeffrey Star was like
<v Speaker 3>kind of part of this newer generation, you know, because
<v Speaker 3>to me, that's like, you know, you had your YouTubers back,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm talking like the early twenty tens, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, at least when I was
<v Speaker 3>in college. That's when I first kind of started to
<v Speaker 3>take take note of like, oh, people are like actually
<v Speaker 3>trading this whole thing in for their careers.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 3>I remember doing a and not to blab on too much,
<v Speaker 3>just kind of giving context to my question here, I
<v Speaker 3>remember doing a Oh my goodness, what's the name of
<v Speaker 3>the YouTube channel? It doesn't matter what the name is,
<v Speaker 3>but it was a like a car influencer, you know,
<v Speaker 3>all about cars and racing and donut media. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 3>And I did a skit for them, and I remember
<v Speaker 3>being cast. You know, I was could cast traditionally as
<v Speaker 3>you would an actor, you know, through through an agency.
<v Speaker 3>You know, they had you know, all the you were
<v Speaker 3>paid like an actor. It was an eight hour day
<v Speaker 3>like an actor. And I remember going down there and
<v Speaker 3>this is probably twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and they had
<v Speaker 3>a full on studio for their channel, you know, in
<v Speaker 3>my mind, you know, I think even at the time,
<v Speaker 3>it was nuts to even think about YouTube themselves having studios,
<v Speaker 3>you know, and this one channel had a studio and
<v Speaker 3>casting and all this stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Wow.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So all that to say, I think the second
<v Speaker 3>wave that I refer to that you're a part of,
<v Speaker 3>is kind of brought along by the vertical media, by
<v Speaker 3>the TikTok you know, like all that new vertical kind
<v Speaker 3>of media like the TikTok dances and your popularity kind
<v Speaker 3>of does coincide with the pandemic. I think that's when
<v Speaker 3>it kind of blew up the vertical media, the short form,
<v Speaker 3>you know, almost like the vine reinvented, you know era.
<v Speaker 3>So I say all that to say, long winded, but
<v Speaker 3>were there any previous you know, social media influencers who
<v Speaker 3>inspired you to start doing this? Like where did that
<v Speaker 3>inspiration come from? From coming from opera into being like
<v Speaker 3>I can make these videos.
<v Speaker 2>I want to do this full time.
<v Speaker 1>It's a natural progression. It's so obvious.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, I for me, I didn't even have
<v Speaker 2>social media. I never watched YouTube videos before twenty twenty. Interesting.
<v Speaker 2>It just wasn't I didn't even really know about, Like
<v Speaker 2>I had I watched Netflix, and I would say in
<v Speaker 2>like twenty nineteen, I had opened YouTube and I was like, Oh,
<v Speaker 2>there's this like Pokemon Go player. His name is Mystic
<v Speaker 2>seven and we're actually friends. And that was so cool
<v Speaker 2>because it's like he was like the first person I
<v Speaker 2>ever watched. But I had never even heard of like
<v Speaker 2>David Dobrik or like really like Misterbeasts, any of them
<v Speaker 2>until after I started pursuing it as a career because
<v Speaker 2>I downloaded Instagram at I was night. I was twenty
<v Speaker 2>or ninth, I was nineteen. Maybe it was a junior
<v Speaker 2>in college though, which for my generation was very late.
<v Speaker 2>Most people had it in high school or middle school.
<v Speaker 2>Like as soon as it came out, people were on
<v Speaker 2>it like too.
<v Speaker 1>Well you caught up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got up, and you know, I on March third.
<v Speaker 2>What made me download TikTok was, Yeah, it was a
<v Speaker 2>pandemic and in Houston, Texas, we had the first case
<v Speaker 2>of COVID actually at Rice University, and so we shut down,
<v Speaker 2>and then Houston shut down, and then the country shutdown.
<v Speaker 2>And I got really to I was like, man, every
<v Speaker 2>I was I was in grad school, but I was
<v Speaker 2>also singing any time I was getting hired for gigs,
<v Speaker 2>which was mostly during the summer because they you know,
<v Speaker 2>the schedules, they would would make sure it would work right.
<v Speaker 2>But I was singing professionally already by this time. I
<v Speaker 2>had sung with the Boston Symphony York, so I had
<v Speaker 2>sung with the Rochester Philharmonic.
<v Speaker 3>Orchestra, and you know, and those are like some of
<v Speaker 3>the biggest Yeah, yeah, that's that's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>Crem de la crem Yeah. I started singing with the
<v Speaker 2>Boston Symphony when I was sixteen actually, and I was
<v Speaker 2>the youngest person they didn't actually get into their choir,
<v Speaker 2>the youngest guy to have ever gone into the Boston
<v Speaker 2>Symphony's choir. Wow. But it was such a weird transition
<v Speaker 2>because I knew I wanted to continue to make people
<v Speaker 2>feel moved. But with with content, it's much harder to
<v Speaker 2>make people feel impassioned, like what you can with music,
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, or like music or you know, bring you
<v Speaker 2>to tears. So I was like, what if I could
<v Speaker 2>bring people to tears by laughing so hard that they
<v Speaker 2>just forget about their troubles in the world for a
<v Speaker 2>while and they just can't help a smile. That don't
<v Speaker 2>work too, yeah exactly, and so I was like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>I'm really depressed. I lost all my jobs, I had
<v Speaker 2>no income coming in school shut down. I was in
<v Speaker 2>my final year of my master's at Rice. I was like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>I have a stale marshamallow and a mug. I was like,
<v Speaker 2>if this goes in, I'll get a tattoo a SpongeBob
<v Speaker 2>and the stale marshmallow bounced on the ground, it bounced
<v Speaker 2>into the cup and then there was my tattoo right there.
<v Speaker 2>So I don't have a tattoo Whinny the Pooh yet,
<v Speaker 2>but maybe we'll see that in the future.
<v Speaker 1>I can't. I'm gonna call Tom Kenny right now. You yeah, right,
<v Speaker 1>still my spot I wanted the ankle.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, but you know, and then it just kept
<v Speaker 2>blossoming and pivoting into like that Karen series or The
<v Speaker 2>Balls of Fate, and you know, more and more and more,
<v Speaker 2>and I just sorry. This series that really went viral
<v Speaker 2>yesterday called the Emotional Support Human, because you know how
<v Speaker 2>we have like emotional support animals and.
<v Speaker 1>So emotional support human.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm I in my fiance's Emotional Support Human, and
<v Speaker 2>it's all about like it's.
<v Speaker 1>Nice of you. Yeah, and you're I mean, you're already
<v Speaker 1>there exactly.
<v Speaker 2>It's like all right, you know, like let's just whatever, let's.
<v Speaker 1>Just traveling exactly, no traveling.
<v Speaker 2>It's just super easy and right there. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>like we just filmed one in the car. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the video got on YouTube just ten million views since yesterday.
<v Speaker 2>Is that all? Yeah? So you know it's just just
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of fun, and you know you're just
<v Speaker 2>constantly pivoting and you know, wanting to create more and
<v Speaker 2>more ways to make people laugh. You know. Yeah, it's
<v Speaker 2>just an absolute blast.
<v Speaker 1>Oh good for you.
<v Speaker 3>So when you first started, was it like let's try
<v Speaker 3>out a couple of videos and see where they go,
<v Speaker 3>or it's like I'm gonna do this no matter what,
<v Speaker 3>no matter the view count, no matter how long it takes.
<v Speaker 2>I that's a great question. I would say that it's
<v Speaker 2>always just been about like I wonder if I can
<v Speaker 2>make somebody laugh, Like that's really what it's been about.
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, all right, like I see, this
<v Speaker 2>is what's trending, is like if this goes in series,
<v Speaker 2>and that's what led to that series, and I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>this is fun, Like I I enjoy getting to like
<v Speaker 2>make people like feel something like just dropping your job
<v Speaker 2>because that's so ridiculous that you just got into a SpongeBob,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And then like with the chinchillas, and then
<v Speaker 2>it just became like, Okay, I guess this is working.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, the day I came in with it, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and the day I came in with the rubber bands
<v Speaker 2>and spoiled milk, and I was like walking through the
<v Speaker 2>kitchen and I was like, okay, like maybe this will
<v Speaker 2>get views, like maybe this will make people like laugh.
<v Speaker 2>It was supposed to be a science experiment, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, you know, I'm walking through the kitchen and
<v Speaker 2>my dad's like, what are you doing. I was like,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go explode the spoiled milk in the backyard.
<v Speaker 2>He's start yelling at me.
<v Speaker 4>Don't you dare day into what what do you think
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna ruin milk? Yeah, you're gonna ruin the pain
<v Speaker 4>on the house is gonna get everywhere. And my mom
<v Speaker 4>had come down and she started because she was in
<v Speaker 4>her office working and she.
<v Speaker 2>Started yelling at him, don't you yell my son? They're
<v Speaker 2>married for happily for like thirty six years, but they
<v Speaker 2>always have their fun dynamic and did you y'all my
<v Speaker 2>son like he storms out because he's getting yelled at
<v Speaker 2>now and she's like, Nathan, get out there and do
<v Speaker 2>whatever you're about to do. And I was like, he
<v Speaker 2>ruined it. I don't want to lean it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>It's like I don't want to do it anymore, like
<v Speaker 2>you know, he ruined it for me. I don't want
<v Speaker 2>to make a mess. I don't want to damage anything.
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, she said these exact words, get your
<v Speaker 2>ass outside right now and do whatever the fuck you're
<v Speaker 2>about to do.
<v Speaker 1>And if she didn't push me to do that, I
<v Speaker 1>saw that Hallmark card.
<v Speaker 2>So sweet, that's great.
<v Speaker 1>Remember what Granny says that that is sood show.
<v Speaker 2>Us outside and do it right now, because I mean
<v Speaker 2>it's like, what's the worse that could happen? You go
<v Speaker 2>viral and it changes your whole life, Like that's what
<v Speaker 2>happened to me, you know, And that's the video that
<v Speaker 2>landed on like MTV and ESPN Sports Center and and
<v Speaker 2>more Barcels everywhere everywhere.
<v Speaker 1>And you did it obviously, and that was like the genesis.
<v Speaker 2>Of that series in particular, webs so massively back then,
<v Speaker 2>you know, ten million views was like your whole life
<v Speaker 2>is changed forever, you know. And again it was enough
<v Speaker 2>to get onto ESPN Sports, and there was enough to
<v Speaker 2>get onto MTV's Ridiculousness and Foxes Right this minute and
<v Speaker 2>whatever other TV shows that like, yeah, you know react
<v Speaker 2>to these things. Yeah, so yeah, I would say, it's
<v Speaker 2>truly it's to make people laugh.
<v Speaker 3>Like if I made one person laugh, I was, I
<v Speaker 3>was happy. Yeah, I'm curious now that you said. You know,
<v Speaker 3>these all these shows take your take your your video
<v Speaker 3>and use it for their content.
<v Speaker 2>Do they pay you for that? They can sometimes, Like
<v Speaker 2>I did a got milk commercial, they paid really well. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and they used like half a second of like a
<v Speaker 2>spoiled milk video. I like got dressed up in a
<v Speaker 2>banana suit. I don't know why, Like my followers dared
<v Speaker 2>me to do it. I was like, all right, whatever
<v Speaker 2>and spoil milk. And it was it was like chunk
<v Speaker 2>by the way. I got like food poisoning every single
<v Speaker 2>time that I explored that spoil them up, like I
<v Speaker 2>would be locked up for a whole day, like is
<v Speaker 2>hanging out having a blast. I didn't mean to, like
<v Speaker 2>whatever explode exploiting. One time it just went all right
<v Speaker 2>up my nose, right up my nose. It like yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and I just I.
<v Speaker 1>Was like, boy, did you get the views?
<v Speaker 2>I got the views? Man, it was it worth it?
<v Speaker 2>Who's to say? But I did get If it made
<v Speaker 2>them laugh, it was. It's always worth it. I will
<v Speaker 2>give my blood, sweat and tears. That's why I have
<v Speaker 2>over literally over one hundred tattoos on this leg alone
<v Speaker 2>of dars from social media. Yeah, but I really think
<v Speaker 2>that social media is turning into this thing called I
<v Speaker 2>like to call it direct media because it's it's like
<v Speaker 2>instead of like having to go to the press to
<v Speaker 2>make an announcement, like as a celebrity yourself, like you
<v Speaker 2>can just go to your phone and say, hey, guys,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be here now, like come hang out and
<v Speaker 2>like I'm going to do a meet up or whatever
<v Speaker 2>you're doing, you know, Like or if you just have
<v Speaker 2>like a really exciting announcement, like you just got a
<v Speaker 2>new role and you want to announce it to the
<v Speaker 2>world first, and you got permission to do that, and
<v Speaker 2>it's really like it's directly at our fingertips, you know,
<v Speaker 2>versus the social aspect. I mean originally, like it was,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook to be social. That's
<v Speaker 2>and social media networking in a college, being able to
<v Speaker 2>work on projects together, getting to know people in your environment, right,
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's really amazing how it's blossomed into so
<v Speaker 2>much more. I mean, it's really entertainment nowadays.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's also it brings people together who would
<v Speaker 1>never be together.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're in New Mexico and there's a guy
<v Speaker 1>in Maine who who glombed onto your stuff, and it's like,
<v Speaker 1>it's it's amazing, It's it's bonds people.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. Absolutely. I mean that's how like my fiance
<v Speaker 2>and I met, you know, kidding, we met in real
<v Speaker 2>life at a creator convention, you know, like a vid
<v Speaker 2>con type of event. Right. All we did though, was
<v Speaker 2>was just like, hi, I'm Nathan High, I'm in a
<v Speaker 2>nice to meet you followed each other and I mean
<v Speaker 2>like less than thirty second interaction with her, and then
<v Speaker 2>like a year later, she liked, subscribed, she liked and
<v Speaker 2>subscribed subscribe. That's like a little subtle hints, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>subliminal message, eminal messaging, subscribe, subscribe exactly.
<v Speaker 3>The whistle your you know, your hymn just flashed a
<v Speaker 3>couple you know what, Actually, I want to go down
<v Speaker 3>this rabbit hole because I remember subliminal messaging was like
<v Speaker 3>a big deal when I was growing up. It was
<v Speaker 3>like there's rules against that, you know, like you can't
<v Speaker 3>air because it was like a proven thing, like you know,
<v Speaker 3>you would like put you know, the cigarette commercials back
<v Speaker 3>in the day, they'd have like a you know, there's
<v Speaker 3>a family guy joke where it's like smoke. You know,
<v Speaker 3>there really is like ways you can splice something into
<v Speaker 3>a frame so quickly, and how do you control that
<v Speaker 3>with like you know, nobody's moderating what what we put
<v Speaker 3>out there, what you put out there, what anybody puts
<v Speaker 3>on the internet. So why can't you just put in
<v Speaker 3>your own subliminal messaging?
<v Speaker 1>Oh you can, you can.
<v Speaker 2>What we should do for like yeah, subscribe, you should
<v Speaker 2>subscribe micro frame where it just like flashes subscribe but
<v Speaker 2>you know, like your brain it is, Yeah, that's like
<v Speaker 2>what it is. They used to do that on like
<v Speaker 2>beer commercials way back.
<v Speaker 3>In the day, or even like more simple than that,
<v Speaker 3>like like like out of focus, slightly pixelate. You know,
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't even have to be a full message, but
<v Speaker 3>your brain picks that up like an optical illusion or something.
<v Speaker 3>I'm on this optical illusion subreddit right now. Really yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it pops up on my feet, like how did they
<v Speaker 3>get down?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>It was just like on my front page one day.
<v Speaker 3>And the brain is capable of some crazy stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I can imagine.
<v Speaker 3>You can't always believe what you're seeing, like illusions. You
<v Speaker 3>got to send me some of this, I will. My
<v Speaker 3>eyes are so weird.
<v Speaker 2>I had to go down that. No, that's awesome, Like
<v Speaker 2>I see, I've never even like used Reddit, so I don't. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what it like. Anna watches a
<v Speaker 2>podcast religiously and it's it's like the Smash. Have you
<v Speaker 2>guys heard Smashed? Yeah? So Smashes is just like a
<v Speaker 2>huge og YouTube channel and all they do is read
<v Speaker 2>Reddit stories and it's fascinating like those things that I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>this is on ready? Like what I okay? Yeah? I
<v Speaker 2>thought Reddit was for like stocks and stuff like back
<v Speaker 2>in the game stop stocks. I don't even know, but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>where were we?
<v Speaker 3>But Jim, I want to get your opinion on like
<v Speaker 3>that because you've I mean, you've been around the entertainment
<v Speaker 3>industry for you know, four decades. Yes, and so I mean,
<v Speaker 3>you know when you started, there wasn'ty was was there cable?
<v Speaker 3>There was no cable?
<v Speaker 1>Gosh, let me think that's a good question. Boy, it
<v Speaker 1>was Yeah, yeah, there was cable. It was a few
<v Speaker 1>years old.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know.
<v Speaker 1>There was NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS. Uh. Then there was
<v Speaker 1>something that my good buddy Ken Pepaghan was involved with
<v Speaker 1>called on TV and you had to buy a separate
<v Speaker 1>gizmo and you plugged in and you turned off to
<v Speaker 1>put it on channel whatever and then click that on
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, you could see the latest Clint
<v Speaker 1>Eastwood movie or something, you know, and that and I
<v Speaker 1>guess that was the precursor to cable in general. And
<v Speaker 1>then then it just the whole world exploded.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So what's it been like like witnessing all the different
<v Speaker 3>transformations and permutations I should say, of entertainment, how it's
<v Speaker 3>been consumed.
<v Speaker 1>And well, it's interesting for me because my generation we
<v Speaker 1>went from I can remember the first time I ever
<v Speaker 1>saw TV. I don't know what, I was four or five.
<v Speaker 1>We did have a TV, but it was broken for
<v Speaker 1>like three years, and you know, it'd be nice if
<v Speaker 1>we get so. Anyway, we finally got one and it
<v Speaker 1>was black and white. So I went from black and
<v Speaker 1>white TV to this thing, to satellite to you know,
<v Speaker 1>pictures of ostensibly the Man on the Moon as far
<v Speaker 1>as we know, and two podcasting. Yeah, now we're all
<v Speaker 1>we've got screens galore for everything. Our phones have screen.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's just mean, and it's constantly adapting into more
<v Speaker 2>and more.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait to just get the implant
<v Speaker 1>and you could read the inside of no excuse me,
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching The Fugitive from nineteen sixty nine. You know
<v Speaker 1>what do you? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, guys that you mentioned that.
<v Speaker 3>I think in the last two decades, really, the only
<v Speaker 3>thing that's changed as far as the way we film
<v Speaker 3>and consume media has been the amount, like you just said,
<v Speaker 3>of screens in the room. I mean, if you go
<v Speaker 3>back to two thousand, what is two thousand and six,
<v Speaker 3>it's twenty years ago.
<v Speaker 2>Now the iPhone was out. You know, it's the.
<v Speaker 3>Speed and the amount of information that's changed. Really in
<v Speaker 3>the last two decades. The technology hasn't changed that much.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's true, if I'm not mistaken. I mean
<v Speaker 3>ten ADP was like what, Oh, yeah, I want to
<v Speaker 3>say in like the late two thousands and then four
<v Speaker 3>K was like in the early twenty tens. If I'm
<v Speaker 3>not mistaken you guys let me know in the comments.
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, other than the speed and the you know,
<v Speaker 3>rate at which we consume the media, all that's really
<v Speaker 3>changed in the last two decade, AIDS, is where is that?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Exactly aware? And how?
<v Speaker 3>I mean Cause if you think about two thousand and six,
<v Speaker 3>what was possible? You know, we had phone cameras that
<v Speaker 3>weren't that good, but we had camquarders that were you know, fabulous. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>from two thousand and six, go back another twenty years
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen eighty six.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look at that.
<v Speaker 3>Now we're looking at Beta max and vhs no DVDs.
<v Speaker 3>So what I'm ultimately trying to say and bring up
<v Speaker 3>in conversation, let me hear your thoughts on this is
<v Speaker 3>where where does it go from here? It almost needs
<v Speaker 3>like a new physical medium to be invented, you know,
<v Speaker 3>And I guess the metaverse is maybe they wanted that
<v Speaker 3>to be kind of you know, virtual reality, But what
<v Speaker 3>do you think, I do think it's.
<v Speaker 2>Going to like metaverse land, you know, like they're creating
<v Speaker 2>all sorts of like, yeah, brain chips, you know, like
<v Speaker 2>Neurrolink is creating a brain ship where you can like
<v Speaker 2>download your brain onto a chip, which is I just
<v Speaker 2>can't even fathom it. And I think that AI too,
<v Speaker 2>is also really pushing things. Well, like I just got
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've always here and there have bought like
<v Speaker 2>a Samsung phone just to be like, all right, how
<v Speaker 2>does that phone compared to an iPhone? But I've always
<v Speaker 2>had an iPhone since I was in high school, and
<v Speaker 2>you know, I just got another Samsung phone because I
<v Speaker 2>was like, man, like this is I love the iPhone
<v Speaker 2>and everything, but it's it's like the same since it
<v Speaker 2>came out. It's just an iPhone. But the Samsung, I'm like, whoa,
<v Speaker 2>this is such a it's a whole new interface of
<v Speaker 2>my phone. And it's just as light and thin as
<v Speaker 2>an iPhone, so it's like, you know, like I mean
<v Speaker 2>literally it's like exactly the same size, so that's right,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that's even thinner when you fold it out.
<v Speaker 2>Which now, is Samsung paying you right now to say no, no,
<v Speaker 2>I mean but I'm just saying hashtag now sponsored, no sponsor,
<v Speaker 2>but no I mean it's it's so fun to see
<v Speaker 2>the differences where it's like, wait, this is a this
<v Speaker 2>is a two hundred megapixel camera versus a forty eight
<v Speaker 2>megapixel camera. I mean we're talking a quantum leap right there.
<v Speaker 2>Like that's a huge difference, and that really is you're filming.
<v Speaker 2>I mean we're talking about like TV studio level of
<v Speaker 2>huge megapixel cameras to the forty eight I mean like
<v Speaker 2>that's it's out the same time, like yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's like wait, now we're starting to see who's gonna
<v Speaker 2>push the envelope more. Yeah, and again with the neuro
<v Speaker 2>like with a brain chip type of thing, it's like,
<v Speaker 2>how is that even gonna work? You know? But I
<v Speaker 2>used to watch these like sci fi shorts of the
<v Speaker 2>week and that's the way they're called, you like google
<v Speaker 2>sci Fi Shorts of the Week. There's this one called
<v Speaker 2>Sight and it was an eye chip that you could
<v Speaker 2>see everything in life where it's like, you know, let's
<v Speaker 2>say they were like cutting just like a zucchini and
<v Speaker 2>it like lined up like where it was like a
<v Speaker 2>game and you had like yeah, it was in reality,
<v Speaker 2>like really just like right there right now where it's
<v Speaker 2>like if you wanted to fact check what you were saying,
<v Speaker 2>they would just fact check it right then and there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>in the moment, it's and it's wild that it's like.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's like within it's a little intruve, it's it's
<v Speaker 1>a lot.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I wonder how far we really are from
<v Speaker 2>that meant only five ten years away from right, I know,
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't feel like it's that far away.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I remember there's a fact out there.
<v Speaker 1>As far as I'm concerned, that science fiction always predicts
<v Speaker 1>science fact. And I mean that Isaac Asimov and all
<v Speaker 1>the things that he came up with, he basically designed
<v Speaker 1>the lunar landing module Wow in the forties. He said, well,
<v Speaker 1>we had to use a tripod because when we landed
<v Speaker 1>on the Moon and the you know, the gravity was
<v Speaker 1>so different that we had to do something. And that's
<v Speaker 1>exactly how it was. And I remember in the very
<v Speaker 1>first Star Wars, if you recall R two D two
<v Speaker 1>went to say Obi Wan can Or, who was a
<v Speaker 1>princess lamp. It was a projection, but it was a
<v Speaker 1>three D projection. And I'm thinking that when's that coming out?
<v Speaker 1>And it's been a long time, but I can't. I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure in our lifetime. I hope there will be something
<v Speaker 1>a chip on the wall or something that and we
<v Speaker 1>can watch a western right here and and there'll be people,
<v Speaker 1>you know if just all you need perhaps a black
<v Speaker 1>wall somewhere and it'll illuminate and there'll be three D
<v Speaker 1>holograms walking around the room shooting each other having gun battles. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's got to happen. I mean it's going
<v Speaker 1>to be limited by the by the production, by the
<v Speaker 1>individual show show the show, but I gotta believe it'll
<v Speaker 1>be there.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I think they and they kind of
<v Speaker 2>have that where it's like with call of Duty and
<v Speaker 2>like the you know those goggles that they'll put on,
<v Speaker 2>like the Apple Vision that's yeah doing that, And like
<v Speaker 2>I think there's like one where you like kind of
<v Speaker 2>get into almost like a rock climbing harness type of
<v Speaker 2>thing and it like it's like a treadmill. It's an
<v Speaker 2>omni trim, yeah, right in every direction. And you know
<v Speaker 2>they're they're like in a whole battle scene right in
<v Speaker 2>their living room, you know, right or in a room
<v Speaker 2>like this on a set where it's like you know,
<v Speaker 2>they go to a place to play video games something.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that alone blows my mind where it's like
<v Speaker 2>they're literally in a video game. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I remember this is years ago out at the house, Cameron,
<v Speaker 1>and you were there and you were taking turns, putting
<v Speaker 1>on this, uh, this this, Yeah, and it was like
<v Speaker 1>and he was getting ready to shoot people. Oh now
<v Speaker 1>it's time to fight, and I'm a man, I'm gonna duck.
<v Speaker 1>He's gonna deck me, you know, you know. Just and
<v Speaker 1>he's fighting a ship. Nothing in the room, but in
<v Speaker 1>his head he was on Mars or something.
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you what I think. I remember what you
<v Speaker 3>were talking, what you're talking about, and I think we
<v Speaker 3>were playing Silent Hill, a horror game in virtual reality.
<v Speaker 3>I'll never play another horror game in virtual reality. That
<v Speaker 3>is like too far because you're get easily scared, like
<v Speaker 3>a haunted house. Oh you know, I'm easily jump scared
<v Speaker 3>jump scares. I don't even consider jump scares scary. I
<v Speaker 3>just don't like the It's like if I clapped and
<v Speaker 3>yelled right now, you know you can get jump scared.
<v Speaker 3>It's not like scary, right, It's right, it's holy crab.
<v Speaker 3>When you're looking around in VR, and then there's just
<v Speaker 3>a demon in your face like yeah I'm good, Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, your whole head vibrates. For me, it's like I died,
<v Speaker 2>you know. Man. It's wild like the reactive suits that
<v Speaker 2>they're like building to to like actually put you fully
<v Speaker 2>in the video yeah, where it's like you like vibrate
<v Speaker 2>if it like hits your arm or whatever. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>the technology is absolutely insane. But I even wonder if
<v Speaker 2>like we actually need holograms. I'm sure for like engineering
<v Speaker 2>and things like that, and like astrophysicists like sure they
<v Speaker 2>need it. Like I mean, like with FaceTime, it's like
<v Speaker 2>would you rather you hold it like this? And they
<v Speaker 2>like pop up right here, but they're like you know,
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars style, all blue, right, and would you rather
<v Speaker 2>just like see them be like all right, buy and you.
<v Speaker 3>Hang ultimate at least for me, would be like some
<v Speaker 3>sort of like contact lenses that could record. Like there's
<v Speaker 3>a great one of my favorite episodes of Black Mirror.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you guys have seen it, but
<v Speaker 3>there's an episode where they all get this like little
<v Speaker 3>chi and they record everything that they're seeing and then
<v Speaker 3>they can play it back and play it onto a
<v Speaker 3>screen project. To me, that's like, that's got to be
<v Speaker 3>even with like imagine you put something in your ear
<v Speaker 3>like the size of like say like an air pod,
<v Speaker 3>and then you had a contact in and that recorded everything.
<v Speaker 2>Everybody would.
<v Speaker 3>I feel like everybody would do that absolutely, Like look
<v Speaker 3>at how much we record everything, I mean not even
<v Speaker 3>for entertainment purposes. Look at how much you know, protests
<v Speaker 3>and you know, political arguments and every you know, you
<v Speaker 3>see two people arguing, what does everybody do whips out
<v Speaker 3>a phone and films the altercation. You know, it's like
<v Speaker 3>it's just such a We were at a museum, well
<v Speaker 3>actually bass pro shops last year. We were at a
<v Speaker 3>museum and they have like a historical museum in there
<v Speaker 3>in a freaking massive like zoo pretty much aquarium and everything. Anyway,
<v Speaker 3>it just got me thinking because they have you know,
<v Speaker 3>these old of like what Native Americans used to wear,
<v Speaker 3>and you know how they would look. They have their outfits,
<v Speaker 3>you know, up on mannekins and stuff, and us as
<v Speaker 3>human beings have always combined whatever technology we have of
<v Speaker 3>our time with as close to us as physically as
<v Speaker 3>close to us as possible. I mean, you think about
<v Speaker 3>a walking stick. You know, we're integrating things literally into
<v Speaker 3>our physical being with the technology based around us. You
<v Speaker 3>can really see it with the evolution of fashion. You
<v Speaker 3>know what we used to wear leather hides, you know,
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff from killing animals. That's how we could
<v Speaker 3>keep ourselves warm. And then you look at you know,
<v Speaker 3>with the advances of technology starting to wear polyester and
<v Speaker 3>microplastics and all that. We would have done that before
<v Speaker 3>if we have the technology, and then so all of
<v Speaker 3>a sudden, you know, now we're wearing all this plastic.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, look at how much fashion is technology based now.
<v Speaker 3>You know, you go to a rave, people are wearing LEDs,
<v Speaker 3>you know, like you see performances where the costume have
<v Speaker 3>battery We were just talking about it on the other
<v Speaker 3>day about you know, in the winter, people who have
<v Speaker 3>coats that are battery powered to heat each other, heat
<v Speaker 3>them up.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm waiting till they make like shoes that sink
<v Speaker 2>with your phone so it tells you how many steps
<v Speaker 2>you get, dude.
<v Speaker 3>That's that's been a thing for years. I remember Nike
<v Speaker 3>ran a huge campaign on that. There was an app
<v Speaker 3>that went to your phone and the shoes that they
<v Speaker 3>sold for Nike. I'm gonna look it up and put
<v Speaker 3>this in a clip right now. If you guys didn't
<v Speaker 3>know this, because now I'm showing my age. I've been around.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, they had a little sensor in the heel
<v Speaker 3>and it would like, you know, show your stats for everything,
<v Speaker 3>like when you went on a run or whatever whatever.
<v Speaker 2>Damn, that is so close. I can tell your heart
<v Speaker 2>rate to like something. Probably the watch can do that,
<v Speaker 2>can do that, but it'd be cool if your shoes
<v Speaker 2>could just do that and then you just like bonking.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, here's your heart rate. It's pretty cool. Jeez.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a caveman sometimes sometimes, you know, it's like, wow,
<v Speaker 1>amazinglogy is moving so rapidly.
<v Speaker 2>A day in the real world is like a week
<v Speaker 2>on social media.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, well, isn't there like something like I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, it's every day or week or month or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>The amount of footage that's uploaded to YouTube is like
<v Speaker 3>too much to watch in a lifetime every single day,
<v Speaker 3>you know, that's how much. And I think that goes
<v Speaker 3>back Jim, let me hear what you think about this.
<v Speaker 3>Just to relate it back to animation and the entertainment
<v Speaker 3>industry as a whole. I think what's the entertainment industry
<v Speaker 3>has always been tough to get into, right, But I
<v Speaker 3>think it's shifted from when you were you know, like first.
<v Speaker 2>Entering to well, yeah, now very much, you know, a
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago.
<v Speaker 3>And I think that is that it used to be
<v Speaker 3>hard to get into because you had to be in
<v Speaker 3>La pretty much, right, you know, you physically had to
<v Speaker 3>be in another city. That's why everybody packed up their bags,
<v Speaker 3>you know, want to be.
<v Speaker 2>A star, go to Hollywood. So that was limiting in
<v Speaker 2>that way.
<v Speaker 3>And now you know, in the time, in the time
<v Speaker 3>that's come up to now where it's so accessible. But
<v Speaker 3>now that is tough because now you have to stand
<v Speaker 3>out from such a large crowd of people. You know,
<v Speaker 3>now everybody can do it. So you need production value.
<v Speaker 3>You need you know, a shtick or a character or
<v Speaker 3>something that makes.
<v Speaker 2>You unique, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And all that's to say is, I mean we're talking
<v Speaker 3>about the future here now too. How is that going
<v Speaker 3>to change?
<v Speaker 2>You know? How is that battle to be you know
<v Speaker 2>the person in front?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know that there's an adage it said
<v Speaker 1>the talent will always out and that's good and probably true.
<v Speaker 1>I mean that maybe like that Yeah, let's call that
<v Speaker 1>eighty five seventy five percent true, because a lot of
<v Speaker 1>it is chance. I mean, I was born in Youngstown, Ohio,
<v Speaker 1>and if I tried to do what I ended up
<v Speaker 1>doing in Youngstown, Ohio, I'd be selling shoes. You know,
<v Speaker 1>there's you have to go where where that stuff happens.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know that that's going to change one
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent. But like for someone such as yourself, you
<v Speaker 1>had all this incredible success, Yes, with your own cameras,
<v Speaker 1>with your own with your own microphones, with your own skits,
<v Speaker 1>with your own writing, and just just new new world
<v Speaker 1>you said.
<v Speaker 3>It just now, I mean you have to go where
<v Speaker 3>is you know working for you? Did you feel like
<v Speaker 3>you had to do that? As far as going to
<v Speaker 3>a different platform, did you feel like you had to
<v Speaker 3>be on TikTok? Did you feel like you had to
<v Speaker 3>be on Snapchat or YouTube or whatever? Do you feel
<v Speaker 3>that way?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I you know, I was like born on TikTok.
<v Speaker 2>If youel in the world of social media and you know,
<v Speaker 2>starting there, it was there was no payment when I started, right,
<v Speaker 2>So for the first six months on or seven months
<v Speaker 2>on the platform, started March third, it wasn't until September
<v Speaker 2>that I actually got a payment for the first time.
<v Speaker 2>So even though these videos were getting ten million views
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, millions of views, well, since seeing a single scent,
<v Speaker 2>even when it was on the TV show.
<v Speaker 1>Really has to accumulate, doesn't it mean? Yeah, yeah, what's
<v Speaker 1>behind that? I mean, if you start off with ten million,
<v Speaker 1>is that vibe? Is that a launch pad? I mean
<v Speaker 1>it's a launch pad.
<v Speaker 2>It's a start. But like it really only got me
<v Speaker 2>to like one hundred thousand followers, you know, because just
<v Speaker 2>because you've got ten million views doesn't mean you're getting
<v Speaker 2>the following.
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna ask you that, dude, how many? Okay,
<v Speaker 1>so if you have because we've got different stats on
<v Speaker 1>that as well, and if you get a million views, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you get how many followers.
<v Speaker 2>It can be anywhere from one hundred to ten thousand. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you're not really going to get like one hundred thousand
<v Speaker 2>followers from a million views, but you'll get like one percent,
<v Speaker 2>you know, or you can get up to five percent,
<v Speaker 2>I would say, but if you know, you're not really
<v Speaker 2>gonna see like.
<v Speaker 1>So you really have to knock it out of the park.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even from I have one video that hit a
<v Speaker 2>billion views. I think I mentioned that, and from that
<v Speaker 2>stylish I believe it was a million subscriberseez that's a
<v Speaker 2>billion thousand. Yeah, so one hundred million, ten million, one million.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, all the subscribers is amazing, but look what
<v Speaker 1>it took to get them?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, years, years, you know, to really build a
<v Speaker 2>And then again there's also so to answer your question though,
<v Speaker 2>I was on TikTok and I was like, man, how
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna make money? Then I started paying out. YouTube
<v Speaker 2>wasn't paying Snapchat, Instagram, nowhere else was paying for shorts yet,
<v Speaker 2>and so then I pivoted over to Instagram because I
<v Speaker 2>was like, this is a good platform. This I guess
<v Speaker 2>this is what I have to do to make an income.
<v Speaker 2>Is like, you know, get brand deals. So it's like
<v Speaker 2>Instagram and TikTok. Then Brandi's started going to TikTok. But
<v Speaker 2>I always thought, I was like, YouTube is really the
<v Speaker 2>crown jewel of social media and that's where you can
<v Speaker 2>have a living. And so in twenty twenty two I
<v Speaker 2>jumped onto the YouTube bandwagon. And when the first came
<v Speaker 2>out with shorts, that's right, Yes, I think it was
<v Speaker 2>end of twenty twenty one is when they came on
<v Speaker 2>with shorts. I got in on twenty twenty two in
<v Speaker 2>the summertime, and you know, so it'll be four years
<v Speaker 2>in July or June, I think, or maybe it's August,
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, so in you know, the ability to go
<v Speaker 2>viral though, on YouTube is so so much stronger and
<v Speaker 2>more power and more reach than any other platform, because like,
<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna get on TikTok one hundred million views regularly,
<v Speaker 2>and now on YouTube, I have a new video every
<v Speaker 2>month that hits one hundred million. And do you think
<v Speaker 2>that's that's amazing? Why do you think that is?
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that's because YouTube and Google owns YouTube?
<v Speaker 2>Right? Yes?
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that's because they're like the most established
<v Speaker 3>company behind it? Or Another thing that creeps into my
<v Speaker 3>mind is demographic. You know, like at least my belief
<v Speaker 3>and you probably have the numbers, but I feel like
<v Speaker 3>Snapchat TikTok have a higher presence of children than YouTube does.
<v Speaker 2>It's on each platform is pretty much like equal with
<v Speaker 2>like the kids that use it. It's more of like
<v Speaker 2>our adults on the other platforms. Yeah, you know, kids
<v Speaker 2>always want to consume content, right, and that's like being
<v Speaker 2>raised in a technological age. It's like, oh yeah, this
<v Speaker 2>is just part of my life. All of my friends
<v Speaker 2>are on it, so I'll be on it. But you know,
<v Speaker 2>I would say, like Snapchat nowadays, it is mostly younger,
<v Speaker 2>Like my primary age demographic there is like thirteen seventeen,
<v Speaker 2>whereas on YouTube it's like twenty five to thirty five,
<v Speaker 2>you know. But also a lot of those accounts are
<v Speaker 2>their kids in watching, and you know, anywhere from like
<v Speaker 2>four to fourteen years old or whatever, you know, are
<v Speaker 2>probably watching on their parents' accounts who are in the
<v Speaker 2>twenty five to forty five age range. But I would
<v Speaker 2>say that because YouTube has been around the longest, they
<v Speaker 2>don't have as many AI accounts or just like bought
<v Speaker 2>accounts a few, whereas like you know, TikTok did start
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of bought accounts, and by twenty twenty two,
<v Speaker 2>every creator started seeing this plummet in their engagement because
<v Speaker 2>we were all getting like twenty to thirty percent engagement,
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, Okay, I have one hundred thousand views,
<v Speaker 2>that means I'll have twenty thousand to thirty thousand likes.
<v Speaker 2>Now it's like you have one hundred thousand views. It's
<v Speaker 2>like you'll have like seven thousand to ten thousand likes.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, and that's bots and that's now it's real people.
<v Speaker 3>It was I believe it was to inflate it in
<v Speaker 3>the beginning, to make it that's very important, that's right.
<v Speaker 3>So I feel like that's just kind of like a
<v Speaker 3>good business to say it is. It's like a small
<v Speaker 3>raft to that. You know, they probably had like well,
<v Speaker 3>they definitely had investors. You know, you're to pump this
<v Speaker 3>out here, you know, they say, that's right. Takes money
<v Speaker 3>to make money, right, Yeah, that's right, got to come
<v Speaker 3>in with a band.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. With YouTube, it's been around for so long that
<v Speaker 2>when you see like, oh, we have a billion active users,
<v Speaker 2>it's really one billion human beings are active on YouTube daily,
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean or whatever. I maybe it'sake
<v Speaker 2>one point one billion. I don't I don't actually know.
<v Speaker 2>It's something insane, but that's a lot of folks. It's
<v Speaker 2>a lot of folks. Yeah, there's a lot of real
<v Speaker 2>human beings who you know, when when I would go
<v Speaker 2>out with ten million on TikTok, tell me sorry, ten
<v Speaker 2>million followers on TikTok never get recognized. But now I
<v Speaker 2>go a ten million tube and it's like we got stopped,
<v Speaker 2>I think like twenty two times. Like a couple of
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago, we had.
<v Speaker 1>A bunch of yeah, and you go, yes, that's me exactly. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty cool.
<v Speaker 2>It's wild to like see the difference between each platform
<v Speaker 2>and also the demographics on each platform where it's like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we always thought like Anna and I, because
<v Speaker 2>we each have our own channels, we were like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we feel like we have like a kid's audience. It's
<v Speaker 2>like we have adults coming up to us all the
<v Speaker 2>time being like you're a Jila guy, and it's like,
<v Speaker 2>what's up, dude, Like we just have like a brand chat,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's like, you know, it's like, that's
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, with social media, it is hard to make
<v Speaker 2>it a long term gig. It's a very tough.
<v Speaker 1>Well you've got to figure it out.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, it's just constant pivoting, you know, always reinventing,
<v Speaker 2>making new ways of making content. Where it's like people
<v Speaker 2>weren't doing podcasts five years ago, or maybe they were
<v Speaker 2>five years ago, but yeah, six years ago they weren't. Right,
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's just a radio show, but now it's
<v Speaker 2>on social media, so it's all podcasts, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>it's like, okay, like that's true. I never thought radio
<v Speaker 2>shows would come back, and they they are back and strong.
<v Speaker 2>This is literally a radio show and we're just schetting.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, when people listen to Spotify, it's like
<v Speaker 2>you're just listening to the radio just on Spotify now,
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, it's it's it's the AM station though
<v Speaker 2>instead of the FM, which has mostly the music stuff. Right,
<v Speaker 2>So it's really wild to see this medium of content
<v Speaker 2>making making huge waves. Yeah, you know, people make a
<v Speaker 2>whole living, like Alex Earl made a whole living and
<v Speaker 2>a life off of podcasting. It's like and she's like
<v Speaker 2>competing with the A listers nowadays, with the brands that
<v Speaker 2>she works with and all these like things. It's absolutely wild. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the old brave New world, isn't it really is? Yes? Sorry, yes, sir.
<v Speaker 1>And you're a pioneer, so that's not bad.
<v Speaker 2>It's not bad, man. I know we got in there
<v Speaker 2>and we're just and it's fun to like help friends
<v Speaker 2>too to go viral and like show them that like
<v Speaker 2>it very much. Is a formula to going viral, and
<v Speaker 2>you know, constantly finding a new way to go viral
<v Speaker 2>on each platform is so different. How do you how
<v Speaker 2>do you go viral on each platform?
<v Speaker 1>And do we dare ask? Yeah, the formula for any
<v Speaker 1>given platform.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, this works. Can you divulge Yeah, six point three
<v Speaker 2>seconds to eight point four second videos to shorts a day,
<v Speaker 2>every single day for six months on YouTube, and you
<v Speaker 2>want to make sure that the watch time is over
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent and you're you'll be good to go.
<v Speaker 2>That's it.
<v Speaker 1>That's all you have to do.
<v Speaker 2>Welcome.
<v Speaker 1>That's like the old Steve Martin joke, well, how do
<v Speaker 1>I get Richie goes, well, okay, first get a million dollars.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now from there and then you know, ouch, it
<v Speaker 2>is very oversaturated nowadays. I feel like there's so many
<v Speaker 2>people that have like one hundred thousand followers nowadays. And
<v Speaker 2>like before I started on social media, when I was
<v Speaker 2>a junior in college, I'd see somebody with like one
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand fowers. They're getting paid like one hundred thousand
<v Speaker 2>bucks to post a photo on their Instagram like with
<v Speaker 2>like a home depot thing. And it's like one hundred
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars for one hundred thousand followers. That's amazing. Like,
<v Speaker 2>and then I was like, Okay, now that I have
<v Speaker 2>ten million followers, I should be set for life, right Nope, Nope, nope.
<v Speaker 2>How come it's ever growing? So the people with one
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand now who are getting one hundred thousand dollars,
<v Speaker 2>Now you have to have ten million, Okay. Then ten
<v Speaker 2>million became fifty million. Now fifty million became one hundred
<v Speaker 2>million or ninety million, you know, and it's like just
<v Speaker 2>keeps going. Just the number of users on the platform,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's exponentially.
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of saturation.
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of saturation. And there's so many people
<v Speaker 2>now who even have a million followers. You know, it's
<v Speaker 2>like whoa. It's like you have to keep posting and
<v Speaker 2>then keep growing to then out compete and just keep
<v Speaker 2>competing with yourself and with the ever growing possibilities. But
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's people with fifty thousand followers who will
<v Speaker 2>do like a TikTok shop thing. You know, they get
<v Speaker 2>like thirty percent commission or whatever. They make like four
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty thousand dollars in three days.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, like that that's about what we make. Yeah, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's about that wild what Like like I've
<v Speaker 2>met some of these people like wow, how do you
<v Speaker 2>do that? But then then they might struggle to do
<v Speaker 2>that again, where it's like looking at it now, it's
<v Speaker 2>back to the eight hundred dollars months or whatever. But
<v Speaker 2>you know it's it's so fall time. Wow.
<v Speaker 3>My favorite analogy that I heard I remember Ninja talking
<v Speaker 3>about this, you know, the streamer Ninja. Yes, he was
<v Speaker 3>talking about this a few years ago. It was like
<v Speaker 3>when he remember that big one hundred million dollar Microsoft
<v Speaker 3>deal he had. I can't even remember the name of
<v Speaker 3>the platform that they wanted him to stream on it.
<v Speaker 3>I just remember, yeah, Kick or something. I don't think
<v Speaker 3>it was Kick because Kicks still around, but whatever it was.
<v Speaker 3>Microsoft came out with this new streaming platform to try
<v Speaker 3>and compete with Twitch. They give him a hundred million
<v Speaker 3>dollars to exclusively stream on that platform, and the platform
<v Speaker 3>ended up folding like a little over a year into
<v Speaker 3>the wow existence of it. Anyway, he was talking about
<v Speaker 3>how he sees being like a big time influencer or
<v Speaker 3>streamer as being comparable to a professional athlete. You know,
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna get a whole bunch of attention, you know,
<v Speaker 3>a huge amount of following, you know, when you're one
<v Speaker 3>of the lucky ones to get to the top over
<v Speaker 3>the course of a couple of years, and then it's
<v Speaker 3>your job to flip that into a viable career by whatever,
<v Speaker 3>you know, any means however an athlete would do it.
<v Speaker 3>You know, you're no longer that pro athlete, because that's
<v Speaker 3>like pretty much the social collective attention span that people
<v Speaker 3>have to endure for. You know, like these people popping up,
<v Speaker 3>it's like, okay, what's hot at the moment, you know,
<v Speaker 3>and honestly thinking about that, I honestly think that's why
<v Speaker 3>Kim Kardashian is like the ultimate influencer, because that's not
<v Speaker 3>easy to retain that attention over so many years. You
<v Speaker 3>know what it's close to, you know, over a decade
<v Speaker 3>she's and famous all what like since like the late
<v Speaker 3>two thousands. I want to say, that's what she's god
<v Speaker 3>super famous and like, I mean, I'm sure you know
<v Speaker 3>we feel it even on the podcast. You know, that
<v Speaker 3>battle for relevancy, and you know, there's always somebody doing
<v Speaker 3>what you do or you know, like they say, an acting.
<v Speaker 3>You know, there's always somebody you know, more talented, better looking,
<v Speaker 3>you know, more athletic, whatever whatever, you know, better teeth,
<v Speaker 3>you know, a better smile. Oh they're the better height
<v Speaker 3>for camera, you know, whatever it is. You know, there's
<v Speaker 3>always that competition. I think in that regard, there is
<v Speaker 3>always that competition. But when it comes to creativity, creativity
<v Speaker 3>is boundless. There's no competition for my creativity.
<v Speaker 2>Versus Yeah, we are all creative and so it's limitless,
<v Speaker 2>it's totally infinite.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I want to push back on that because yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's I get what you're saying, but also there's like
<v Speaker 3>a finite amount.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 3>Also, at the end of the day, you like look
<v Speaker 3>at like a director like M Night Shyamalan, like he
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have what he used to have, you know, like
<v Speaker 3>he's not capable of telling those stories anymore. In my opinion,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe there's some diehard, but I feel like,
<v Speaker 3>you know, his newer stuff doesn't compare to like, you know, this,
<v Speaker 3>the old M Night Shyamalan with that big twist, you know,
<v Speaker 3>And I think kind of life just takes over. I
<v Speaker 3>think that's natural for kind of anybody, you know, except
<v Speaker 3>that rare like point zero zero one percent, like that
<v Speaker 3>Tom Brady or something, you know, like yeah, just to
<v Speaker 3>be so hyper focused on one skill set for your
<v Speaker 3>whole life and continually continually finding that passion you know,
<v Speaker 3>to come back and like you said, reinvent, find a
<v Speaker 3>new angle, stay hip even you know, like we see
<v Speaker 3>that struggle a lot.
<v Speaker 2>I think with the creativity being ballast in these means, right,
<v Speaker 2>Like we you're talking with M Night Shamalan, right, so
<v Speaker 2>it might become stale, it might become irrelevant, like you
<v Speaker 2>guys saying predictable, but there's always a way to pivot
<v Speaker 2>and realizing. I think a lot of people are afraid
<v Speaker 2>of breaking the box that they've created for them. So
<v Speaker 2>like if I only kept doing the Karen series and
<v Speaker 2>then I was like, I have to keep doing this,
<v Speaker 2>I have to keep doing this, and then waiting for
<v Speaker 2>the seventy million to become seven million, to become seven
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousands, become seventy to become seven thousand, Right, It's like, no,
<v Speaker 2>but my audience they want to like, they don't want
<v Speaker 2>to see the cat dancing video. It's not gonna pop
<v Speaker 2>off and go viral. It's like, only you can can
<v Speaker 2>stop yourself. Only you can create a box for yourself,
<v Speaker 2>because especially with social media, and for any of you
<v Speaker 2>who are on social media who are stuck in a rut,
<v Speaker 2>don't worry about starting a new series because your audience
<v Speaker 2>won't even see it. They won't even Can I care?
<v Speaker 2>Can I swear? They won't even fucking see it? They won't.
<v Speaker 2>It's on the for you page. If you're on TikTok,
<v Speaker 2>it's on the reels page. If you're on Instagram, it's
<v Speaker 2>on the shorts page.
<v Speaker 1>If you're on.
<v Speaker 2>YouTube, and your audience won't see it because they're pushing
<v Speaker 2>it out constantly to new audiences. Sure, if you're doing
<v Speaker 2>long form movies, long form even on YouTube like the
<v Speaker 2>podcast and you guys started posting vlogs, sure you might
<v Speaker 2>get some people be like, but I want to see
<v Speaker 2>the podcast, right, but I wanted to see the twist
<v Speaker 2>from m Night Shyamalan. Why isn't it blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 2>It's like the only person who will notice, really though,
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day's you. And so you
<v Speaker 2>have to compete with yourself. If you compete with yourself
<v Speaker 2>and forget about who's taller, who's more athletic, or who's
<v Speaker 2>more or whatever, absolutely again, or who's more beautiful? You know.
<v Speaker 2>I always used to like be on TikTok and I
<v Speaker 2>was like, man, I'm just not a pretty girl, Like
<v Speaker 2>I can't do what they're doing. Yeah, And I was like,
<v Speaker 2>how am I supposed to compete with that? And that's
<v Speaker 2>when I realized, like, beauty is a fleeting thing, but
<v Speaker 2>or maybe bodybuilding is a fleeting thing like our whatever, right,
<v Speaker 2>But but creativity will always be there no matter how
<v Speaker 2>old you are, no matter how young you are, no
<v Speaker 2>matter what set of circumstances you're in. You'll always have
<v Speaker 2>the ability to create something new. Yeah, well, talent, you
<v Speaker 2>know will out exactly. Talent usually rises to the surface,
<v Speaker 2>that's right, And so it's always finding a new medium
<v Speaker 2>and a new ways of conveying that. So maybe with
<v Speaker 2>m Night Shyamalan, if you're saying like, well, it feels
<v Speaker 2>like it's stale or it feels like there's not that
<v Speaker 2>twist where it's like, okay, well maybe he's he had
<v Speaker 2>to go through this phase, yeah, to get to his.
<v Speaker 3>Next But I altmate was trying to say, it's just
<v Speaker 3>like it's easy to lose that creative passion. I think
<v Speaker 3>as life goes on, and it is it's a skill
<v Speaker 3>to keep that passion for you know, kind of anything.
<v Speaker 2>Well, because there's pressure. Yeah, as soon as you start
<v Speaker 2>getting successful, you have eyes on you, like you were saying,
<v Speaker 2>and then there's that pressure of weight. I can't fail them.
<v Speaker 2>I can't f It's like, don't ever be afraid of failure.
<v Speaker 2>Embrace failure like an old friend. We all go through
<v Speaker 2>it since the day we're yeah yeah, yeah, ever since
<v Speaker 2>we start trying to walk to be a face failure.
<v Speaker 2>So it's failure as an old friend. But I do
<v Speaker 2>think the biggest thing for people, especially people who are
<v Speaker 2>trying to become in the entertainment industry and do this
<v Speaker 2>full time, is that fear is the only thing that
<v Speaker 2>will ever stop them. But fear is just a reason
<v Speaker 2>to pursue it. Take all of that energy from fear
<v Speaker 2>and turn into boldness. It's like everything has like love's
<v Speaker 2>opposite is hate, right, And it's like happiness is opposite
<v Speaker 2>is misery, and fear's opposite is being bold, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And so all of these things that we think there's
<v Speaker 2>boxes around, we created those as humans, absolutely them as
<v Speaker 2>a society, you know, so we have to just break
<v Speaker 2>down our old walls where it's like for athleticism, it's like, okay, sure,
<v Speaker 2>maybe there will be somebody more athletic in the future,
<v Speaker 2>but right now you've got to take that. Or if
<v Speaker 2>you're if you're an actor, it's like, well, maybe there's
<v Speaker 2>gonna be somebody more beautiful or somebody more talented, but
<v Speaker 2>no one can compete with you except for yourself at
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day.
<v Speaker 3>And you've said very similar sentiments Jim, about like just
<v Speaker 3>being the best that you can be and yeah, you
<v Speaker 3>can't control anything else.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's all you can control.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I mean the way I look at it as every
<v Speaker 1>audition and then every job that came from that is
<v Speaker 1>the super Bowl. Every single one is the super Bowl, right,
<v Speaker 1>And you can't you can't phone it in. You can't
<v Speaker 1>because that's somehow or another that comes across to the listener,
<v Speaker 1>to the audience, to the viewer, and oh jeez, well
<v Speaker 1>he's just kind of phoning it in. Oh wow, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, you see it with big, big
<v Speaker 1>time stars. You know, I don't know who would be
<v Speaker 1>a good example, but not necessary, not really Clint Eastwood,
<v Speaker 1>but you get the idea that, Okay, he's going to
<v Speaker 1>be a badass there you go, stay there, and it's
<v Speaker 1>just kind of you know, you know what, Oh thanks,
<v Speaker 1>I was going to get it. But you know, you
<v Speaker 1>can't be your own worst enemy, right, you know, and
<v Speaker 1>you can't stop. Like when it comes to acting on auditions,
<v Speaker 1>I think you're doing good. If you get one in ten,
<v Speaker 1>you're doing quite good. If you get ten auditions and
<v Speaker 1>get a job, you're doing really well.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Nowadays, I don't even know what it would be. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>one in thirty. Yeah, and that's that's a lot of auditions.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of competition.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you have to have thick skin.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, absolutely. Social media too, like dealing with like
<v Speaker 2>hate comments, yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, you read comments. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I read comments. I think they're funny.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think when they are funny.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when they're funny, they're funny.
<v Speaker 2>People will say like such heinous things. Yeah, that's pretty creative,
<v Speaker 2>like wow, that's how did they think of that? Yeah? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, haters. Yeah, I'll get I'll get dms
<v Speaker 2>that are like thirty pages long of like why I
<v Speaker 2>should like myself, you know what I mean, And oh
<v Speaker 2>my god, I'm.
<v Speaker 1>Like, dang, they really like they really gave this some thought.
<v Speaker 2>They spend like an hour at the minimum on this.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's sweet. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I would never say that to you in person, though,
<v Speaker 3>but people say kind things all the time in person. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'll never say something heinous to your face. It's only
<v Speaker 3>in the comments. That's why I don't even really read
<v Speaker 3>the comments.
<v Speaker 2>I always think, I'm like, I wonder who hurt them,
<v Speaker 2>Like I wonder what they're going through today that they
<v Speaker 2>really needed to get this out, you know, yeah, yes,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And then honestly, I've had a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people too where I'll read comments. I actually one time
<v Speaker 2>somebody commented on Anna, my fiance's posts, and they're like,
<v Speaker 2>Nathan blocked me a long time ago because I said
<v Speaker 2>something really awful to him on his video. This is
<v Speaker 2>when I was like a lot smaller, and they were like,
<v Speaker 2>I just want you to know, Nathan, if you're seeing
<v Speaker 2>this onance page, I'm really sorry. I was very young,
<v Speaker 2>like they said, Like they were like I was thirteen.
<v Speaker 2>They're like, I'm like twenty now or whatever, eighteen, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know whatever. Years later, right, they're like, I just
<v Speaker 2>want you to know. I am so sorry. And that's
<v Speaker 2>the thing is that it's like they were just going
<v Speaker 2>through something that day. It's like I couldn't judge you
<v Speaker 2>for going something.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Roby Williams said it best. He's like, you're just
<v Speaker 2>being kind because you never know what somebody else is experiencing,
<v Speaker 2>you know, And that is something that I'll always live
<v Speaker 2>by because it's like, look, I don't I don't, I'm
<v Speaker 2>not going to judge you, like it doesn't do anything
<v Speaker 2>to me, you know, And it's definitely impacted and a
<v Speaker 2>lot of our friends are very they'll stop their careers
<v Speaker 2>because of the hatred.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god they're getting.
<v Speaker 2>For no reason. It's like, oh, they did like a
<v Speaker 2>makeup look, and you know, they're like, you're a terrible
<v Speaker 2>artists blah blah blah, and it's like they're just like,
<v Speaker 2>I'm done, I'm done. I can't anymore.
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, you don't want to do that, you know.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, man, that's so sad. What a gift you
<v Speaker 2>have to with the world. Like they've been sharing and
<v Speaker 2>making people feel impassioned by or like you know, moving
<v Speaker 2>or like I'll get them saying like dude, I see
<v Speaker 2>that you're bald, and it like, you know, I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>hold on, where are you going with this? Okay, yeah, no,
<v Speaker 2>but they're like.
<v Speaker 1>He's like Batman is detective astonishing exactly. What a revelation?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right for you? Where to go? But no, they're
<v Speaker 2>they're like, I say, you're bald, and like you're not
<v Speaker 2>afraid of like being on camera and like making cute,
<v Speaker 2>funny things to the world, and it's inspiring. It's made
<v Speaker 2>me feel so much more confident with my like because
<v Speaker 2>they're like just sorrying to lose their hair or something
<v Speaker 2>like that, right, Yeah, And that's what they said, because
<v Speaker 2>I just started going bald myself, and I've been so unscrewed.
<v Speaker 2>But seeing how happy you are, seeing you're in a
<v Speaker 2>healthy relationship, like seeing that you are, you know, making
<v Speaker 2>it in the world, that you just you're just happy
<v Speaker 2>like that makes me feel so much more confident considered.
<v Speaker 2>I've never even thought of like bald being well, I
<v Speaker 2>think negative thing. Bald is beautiful.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it's a thing. I mean people shave their.
<v Speaker 2>Heads, yeah if Dwayn Johnson's yeah, yeah, cru yes, m yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Lex Luthor yeah yeah. But you know, I think that
<v Speaker 2>people when they're starting to go bald, they get really insecure.
<v Speaker 2>For me, I actually always had like a buzzk. I
<v Speaker 2>always had like short hair. It just felt like for me,
<v Speaker 2>it was always just like a nice, very freeing feeling
<v Speaker 2>to not have to spend money on a hair myself,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and you know the effort of like a
<v Speaker 2>style or whatever. But like, I still have hair. I
<v Speaker 2>just I just shaved my head because I yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Well I just had a transplant from you know, my back.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, now I'm all my hair just wet to
<v Speaker 2>my it migrated south.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know I still have that, yeah exactly,
<v Speaker 1>But you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, it's it's really amazing the way that you can
<v Speaker 2>touch somebody's life or to touch their heart just through
<v Speaker 2>the screen. And it's like I didn't ever think about
<v Speaker 2>making like uh in you know, motivational speaking about being bald,
<v Speaker 2>but I get a lot of d ms about that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's so nice to get to see
<v Speaker 2>or like Anna has a very unique knows and you know,
<v Speaker 2>she did a video or I filmed the video from
<v Speaker 2>her side profile and she got thousands of DM saying
<v Speaker 2>I haven't no, it's just like you and I just
<v Speaker 2>wanted to say you made me feel beautiful today a
<v Speaker 2>lot of young girls and it's like that's amazing that
<v Speaker 2>she's inspired generation to be confident in themselves. Where you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know what, I don't even know. I
<v Speaker 2>was just born this way and I am beautiful.
<v Speaker 1>God already gave me a nose job. Sure, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he's right now exactly.
<v Speaker 2>It's got it with me exactly. Man. It's so cool
<v Speaker 2>the power of social media or media.
<v Speaker 1>And you never know who you're going to reach, that's right,
<v Speaker 1>You never ever know, right, I mean, I'll get I'll
<v Speaker 1>get letters, I'll get I'll get you know, posts, and
<v Speaker 1>it's saying that you know this, this one line or
<v Speaker 1>whatever from Winnie the Pooh or Dark Wing of Duck
<v Speaker 1>or any character got them through a tough time in
<v Speaker 1>their life. They you know, there was one. They'll never
<v Speaker 1>forget that that these kids swear up and down that
<v Speaker 1>that it. The Disney Afternoon saved their life because they
<v Speaker 1>had a video recorder and there and there was like
<v Speaker 1>four shows Chippindale, Tailspin, Dark Wing, Bunkers, and they would
<v Speaker 1>record them all and they lived in the worst neighborhood
<v Speaker 1>in the world, I guess, and the bus would drop
<v Speaker 1>them off and they were half a block away, so
<v Speaker 1>they'd run to their house, go in, lock the door,
<v Speaker 1>rewind the tape. And then by the time they watched
<v Speaker 1>all those four shows, their mom was home, so they
<v Speaker 1>were they were their their comfort zone was there. And
<v Speaker 1>they said that the Tisney Afternoon saved their life. And
<v Speaker 1>all we thought we were doing was making cartoons and
<v Speaker 1>having a good time, and but it kept them in
<v Speaker 1>the house, kept them safe. And thank you Lord, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and I hope you guys are listening, and I still
<v Speaker 1>remember you, so.
<v Speaker 2>Thanks it's amazing and that's I think the more beautiful
<v Speaker 2>part of it all is that you were having fun.
<v Speaker 2>You were having a blast, and with with what we
<v Speaker 2>do too, is like if we don't have fun, the
<v Speaker 2>videos doesn't project.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it reads like, oh this is stale, just like
<v Speaker 2>them shall it's just still it's like, oh, man, like
<v Speaker 2>they're just doing this to try and get views. But
<v Speaker 2>like it's like no, no, we're we're trying to make
<v Speaker 2>people laugh. But yeah, if we're not having fun, they're
<v Speaker 2>not having fun. And it's amazing that you were having
<v Speaker 2>fun and it led to them having fun. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's a beautiful life, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I always say it's the stuff you
<v Speaker 1>used to get me kicked out of class.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's right. Oh same man, Oh dude, such a
<v Speaker 2>class clown you too. Always yeah, I was getting in trouble.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I bet you got good grades. Oh, like
<v Speaker 1>I was saying, grades don't matter, Yeah, let me finish,
<v Speaker 1>let me finish, grades don't matter. I got the same here.
<v Speaker 1>I got.
<v Speaker 2>Eggs and bees, mostly bees. Yeah, yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 1>I got ds and f's mostly f's.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>But and I don't know if I've said this before,
<v Speaker 1>but I there was a movie called Peggy's Who Got
<v Speaker 1>Married Years Ago? And she went back in time somehow
<v Speaker 1>I was sixteen again. It was Kathleen Turner. It was
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good movie, and she was reliving her high
<v Speaker 1>school days in some fashion or another, and she was
<v Speaker 1>in algebra class and she pretty much paraphrased what I
<v Speaker 1>actually told Sister Ellen Rose and when I was a sophomore.
<v Speaker 1>And she and you know, she's going through the the
<v Speaker 1>machinations doing this, and that she's not handing in her homework.
<v Speaker 1>She goes, Peggy, Sue, this is the third day in
<v Speaker 1>a row you haven't put in your algebra homework. And
<v Speaker 1>she goes, oh, that's okay, because I know for a
<v Speaker 1>fact that I will never use any of this stupid algebra.
<v Speaker 1>And that cracked me up because I made the mistake
<v Speaker 1>of saying that to Sister Ellen Rose. And I said, honestly,
<v Speaker 1>I'm shooting for a D minus. If I can get
<v Speaker 1>a D minus, that'll keep me out of summer school.
<v Speaker 1>That's all I'm shooting for. And of course I got
<v Speaker 1>an F.
<v Speaker 2>Summer school. Oh that's terrible.
<v Speaker 1>How was it it was like summer school? Oh?
<v Speaker 2>I hate that?
<v Speaker 1>And then then true story. I failed in summer school.
<v Speaker 2>No, no winter again.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, it was called the take it again next year. No.
<v Speaker 1>Then I took business math and got a D minus.
<v Speaker 1>And we all need business math.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, talking to arts major reasoning and statistics. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Well Catholic school, you know, you got to be well rounded.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, and now I am so Yeah. I remember
<v Speaker 2>in grad school as an opera singer. It was kind
<v Speaker 2>of the culture where it's like, look, these get degrees,
<v Speaker 2>We're here to sing. We already took all of our
<v Speaker 2>music history and undergrad our music theory like ear training everything,
<v Speaker 2>and did music.
<v Speaker 1>Did that help you? Music history?
<v Speaker 2>It helps me learn how to learn. Oh, it helps
<v Speaker 2>me learn how to Okay.
<v Speaker 1>That counts, you know. But no, yeah, that's kind of
<v Speaker 1>what I was thinking. Yeah, no, really, no, I'm familiar
<v Speaker 1>with it to an extent, and it was like okay, yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 1>yeah it helps.
<v Speaker 2>When I went to Italy recently and I was like
<v Speaker 2>looking at like liturgical like art and there was music
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I know how to read that. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>next like that was it, you know. But it was
<v Speaker 2>definitely cool seeing like the the history of art with
<v Speaker 2>the history of the music and how that lined up
<v Speaker 2>where it's like the Renaissance and there was no perspective.
<v Speaker 2>It's like music kind of felt flat too when you
<v Speaker 2>look at music from the Renaissance and it was all
<v Speaker 2>in the oh my gosh, not a chordyon, yes, harpsichord, thank.
<v Speaker 1>You, Oh my gosh, I came Was that the one
<v Speaker 1>you were thinking of?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, cloud churts and harpsichords.
<v Speaker 1>I like the way they sound.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah yeah. And then Bach came in during
<v Speaker 2>the Baroque period and then it's like, oh, there's like shadows.
<v Speaker 2>Now there's like depth and like they're trying to make
<v Speaker 2>dynamics and shape. And then it led to the Classical
<v Speaker 2>period with Mozart and then the Romantic with Bait. So
<v Speaker 2>it was cool to see like every single piece and
<v Speaker 2>actually the sculptures too that went with it too, like
<v Speaker 2>Michelangelo's Yes Versus Yes, Donald Tello's versus you know, in
<v Speaker 2>the da Vinci's and you know, just kept getting newer
<v Speaker 2>and newer.
<v Speaker 1>News and the four notes that change the world are yeah,
<v Speaker 1>those are the Romantic period that changed the whole world,
<v Speaker 1>didn't it. It's right, Oh wow, I didn't think that
<v Speaker 1>would come up, did you, folks, Yeah, you're learning some
<v Speaker 1>stuff now and they're all.
<v Speaker 2>Going exactly at the Boston Symphony Hall. Uh, it's this
<v Speaker 2>gorgeous ornate gold leaf all around the stage and at
<v Speaker 2>the very top it says Beethoven m he changed the game. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he really changed the game for it all. And that's
<v Speaker 2>what social media is too. It's totally changing the game,
<v Speaker 2>bringing in a whole new perspective, a whole new way
<v Speaker 2>where it's like it does it's you know, I don't
<v Speaker 2>think the concept of celebrity will ever die out, but
<v Speaker 2>it definitely has changed the shape of celebrity. What I
<v Speaker 2>mean by that is if we look at it like
<v Speaker 2>a you know, statistical graph, right or it's like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>along the X access we're going and then why just
<v Speaker 2>shoot straight up? It's like and right back down. Three
<v Speaker 2>days later, next person liver kaing, and then it goes
<v Speaker 2>back down a girl and it's back down and you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's very quick on social media, where it's basically have
<v Speaker 2>like an a list level of fame like that the
<v Speaker 2>Hawk to a girl where it's like she had to
<v Speaker 2>get security guards for a while. I don't know who
<v Speaker 2>or how that's gone, but you just don't really hear
<v Speaker 2>about the Hawk to a Girl anymore. Where it's like
<v Speaker 2>that was a year where it's like it's all about
<v Speaker 2>the Hawk to a girl. And before that it was Bellaporte.
<v Speaker 2>Before that was Charlie Demilio. Now it's Cobby Lame, and
<v Speaker 2>Kobby is a huge He's the most fallow person on
<v Speaker 2>TikTok and he like, I haven't heard about him in
<v Speaker 2>like years, two years now, but now he just sold
<v Speaker 2>his company for like nine hundred million dollars or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>and his share of it amazing. You know, it's like,
<v Speaker 2>now we hear about Cobby again. It's like a list.
<v Speaker 2>It's like two weeks later, it's like, okay, bye. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I like this joke that Daniel Tosh says
<v Speaker 3>in one of his specials. Was it Dan, Yeah, it
<v Speaker 3>was Daniel Tosh. And this is a special years ago.
<v Speaker 3>I mean I think I was in college still, it
<v Speaker 3>was like twenty twelve or thirteen. Anyway, He's like, they
<v Speaker 3>say everybody gets fifteen minutes of fame, right, He's like, no,
<v Speaker 3>that's an average. Yeah, zero for you, for you, for you,
<v Speaker 3>for you, two decades zero zero zero zero zero.
<v Speaker 2>That's now. It's now. It's literally fifteen minutes of fame.
<v Speaker 2>Like there's this there's this girl called Britt Barbie. And
<v Speaker 2>she was like period, yeah, rip Barbie. And she was
<v Speaker 2>she just did this one video period app period, period
<v Speaker 2>app period. Uh. And she wore like, you know, like
<v Speaker 2>a very like she had a very specific like look
<v Speaker 2>like of the makeup and like a Barbie.
<v Speaker 1>Sure sure, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>She put like a question mark over my head. But
<v Speaker 2>and she was likeing, swarmed at VidCon, swarmed everywhere she
<v Speaker 2>should go out. And again it's like on it's like
<v Speaker 2>social media is wild where it's like and people will
<v Speaker 2>move to la and let's say for the ones I
<v Speaker 2>have a little more studies, like they have two years
<v Speaker 2>of glory. They're making phenomenal money and then out of nowhere,
<v Speaker 2>it's just all gone. It's like, wait, what just happened?
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah anymore.
<v Speaker 2>But I quit school and I moved out here, and
<v Speaker 2>I had a lot, you know, and a lot of things,
<v Speaker 2>A lot of that in show base, I mean a
<v Speaker 2>lot of that, and financial literacy in the entertainment mystery
<v Speaker 2>is such an important thing where it's like you're making
<v Speaker 2>money this year but you have no idea like save
<v Speaker 2>every cent or investor, or lock it up in sets
<v Speaker 2>like get gold, get commodities, whatever. Sorry, whatever it is
<v Speaker 2>that you need to do to not spend it, lock
<v Speaker 2>it up right. Yeah, And then it's like because then
<v Speaker 2>that that time will come, it's like, where did it go?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, that that's all cliche. That took really a cliche.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I I'm this far away from saying it
<v Speaker 1>happens to most actors. You know, you have a big,
<v Speaker 1>big run millions that year, a year, about two or three,
<v Speaker 1>four or five six years next year, Oh, what do
<v Speaker 1>you mean the series was canceled? Oh well, where's the
<v Speaker 1>next one? What do you mean there isn't one? You know,
<v Speaker 1>you're right back to square one, that's right. And uh,
<v Speaker 1>you know I used to think that, you know, all
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboy stars when I was a little kid, I
<v Speaker 1>just thought they were all going to be John Wayne
<v Speaker 1>and be famous forever. Like there was this show Sugar
<v Speaker 1>in Cheyenne and Brogo Lane and those guys just went
<v Speaker 1>away that right, But but at that time they were
<v Speaker 1>the biggest thing in the world. Yep, you know, we're
<v Speaker 1>not We're not all going to be the beatles.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right. There's so few who are at
<v Speaker 2>the Dwayne Johnson Ryan Reynolds level. Yeah, and it's for
<v Speaker 2>a reason because it's not a sustainable living.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And even for them, it's you just never know what's
<v Speaker 2>going to happen, and that's why they start their companies.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, Ryan Reils is a great entrepreneurs You
<v Speaker 2>can see with like you know, Mint Mobile or like
<v Speaker 2>the football team soccer sorry whatever, football soccer, whatever you
<v Speaker 2>want to call it, team that he bought, and it's like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it's really brilliant moves of like you
<v Speaker 2>just have to constantly be adapting and finding new streams
<v Speaker 2>because again, you just don't know how long or even
<v Speaker 2>health wise where it's like okay, I had a stroke,
<v Speaker 2>now I can't act anymore and there's no more income.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, uh, oh, what's going to happen next time?
<v Speaker 2>With social media, it's every form of the entertainment and
<v Speaker 2>it's as an opera singer. I believe we were supposed
<v Speaker 2>to get circus performer insurance because of the stunts that
<v Speaker 2>you would do on stage where it's like I had
<v Speaker 2>seven years of combat training. Wow, you know, and people
<v Speaker 2>don't think of that as an opera singer, an old
<v Speaker 2>school theater singer. It's like, yeah, because you're getting like
<v Speaker 2>hoisted up on a harness.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, whatever, these sword fightes and things, I mean yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and if you fall off of like a fifteen foot
<v Speaker 1>platform and.
<v Speaker 2>You you know people, yeah, yeah, they did land like
<v Speaker 2>playing Spider Man on stage.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I did an opera where I was Zeus and I
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be floated off at the end, and
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I will not be doing that, I said,
<v Speaker 2>I am terrified of huckerbolts. Thunderbolts. Is like, I'm not
<v Speaker 2>floating up to the top of the Olympus. Fuck that.
<v Speaker 2>Terrified to nights.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh boy, well you and my wife, yeah, Margaret,
<v Speaker 1>she's she's like a no, thank you, Yeah, I'll be
<v Speaker 1>down here.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But even planes scare me sometimes. But after a
<v Speaker 2>while I'm like, Okay, this is really nice, Like I
<v Speaker 2>actually like love seeing like the world from above. It's
<v Speaker 2>so nice.
<v Speaker 1>But yes, also agree.
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<v Speaker 2>if you change your volume levels like this, then it'll
<v Speaker 2>get barbos just let you know, right, yeah, man will
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<v Speaker 3>Do it now, Well, we wanted to before we wrapped
<v Speaker 3>up today, we wanted to do a voice swap with you. Well, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you think about that. I know you're, you know, not
<v Speaker 3>really doing voices your thing, but you do do voices
<v Speaker 3>for like, uh, you know, your chinchillas, and you put
<v Speaker 3>on some different voices for social media. So we thought
<v Speaker 3>we could get to a couple of those with the
<v Speaker 3>old are you familiar with the voice swap?
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that works all right, all right, and don't
<v Speaker 2>forget the fromage. Yes, let me hear you say cheese
<v Speaker 2>of truth.
<v Speaker 1>As who oh wait a minute, Monterey Jack okay, rescueator.
<v Speaker 1>He was a cheese meister. An Australian mice.
<v Speaker 2>Chee yeas of truth, Mike, that's amazing.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, pazlak cheese of truth.
<v Speaker 2>There you go, not so much.
<v Speaker 1>I like the honey of Truth.
<v Speaker 2>There's got to be some out there somewhere. We got
<v Speaker 2>to create a series called the Honey of Truth. And
<v Speaker 2>you take the little honeywand and it like spells out
<v Speaker 2>of me.
<v Speaker 1>Actually that was never mind.
<v Speaker 2>How do you do your pood? The Honey of Truth
<v Speaker 2>says you're gonna have a wonderful day, like just easy
<v Speaker 2>as that's true. Oh you know how many views I
<v Speaker 2>would get? That would get like twenty million views the
<v Speaker 2>first time you posted.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well we'll be doing that in the morning.
<v Speaker 3>Then yes, yes, what's the voice you used for your chinchillas?
<v Speaker 2>I know everybody loves your chillas.
<v Speaker 1>Man, they.
<v Speaker 2>Let me see they don't actually have a voice, but
<v Speaker 2>sometimes like up here for them. Well that's pretty good,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like up there, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And not only that, but you have cats, we do,
<v Speaker 1>and I think I wrote down now who is the
<v Speaker 1>I love the names so cosmic coffee bean.
<v Speaker 2>Cosmic coffee bean, and that is one of your cats.
<v Speaker 2>That's the newest cat. I just proposed to end with
<v Speaker 2>that cat pulled it out of my pocket.
<v Speaker 1>And then solar Flare.
<v Speaker 2>Solar Flare that is.
<v Speaker 1>See that's such a nice name for a cat. And
<v Speaker 1>then Asteroid.
<v Speaker 2>Destroyer yid asteroids voice, I can do for you because
<v Speaker 2>I voiced that one. And yes, let's hear that series
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, you really think you can defeat me?
<v Speaker 2>Like nice and low? What's nicer for that? Oh?
<v Speaker 1>For him?
<v Speaker 2>What up? Ballue? You really think you can defeat me? Oh?
<v Speaker 1>You really think you can defeat made little brenches? Oh man, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>there you go that that's going okay, So we should
<v Speaker 1>do another swamp de la voice. Let's see, how about
<v Speaker 1>I am the terror.
<v Speaker 2>The flaps in the night like a little stitch laugh.
<v Speaker 1>Absolute and h I think maybe a Pete voice for
<v Speaker 1>a chinchilla. Yeah, good old Pete from me.
<v Speaker 2>Let's see what would the chinchilla say?
<v Speaker 1>But I'll give you you give me the line and
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you some Pete.
<v Speaker 2>Plus, Can I have a tweet? Please? That's so good?
<v Speaker 1>No goofing around.
<v Speaker 2>But see I feel like tofu would sound like that.
<v Speaker 2>Tofus are like biggest chinchilla. And one time he got
<v Speaker 2>out of our cage and I had closed the door.
<v Speaker 2>This is a really sad story. I'm sorry to bring
<v Speaker 2>the move and closed the door and it didn't latch
<v Speaker 2>shut like it was close, but didn't lock in right.
<v Speaker 2>And so they they do this thing called popcorning, and
<v Speaker 2>so they bounce off the wall so they'll like jump
<v Speaker 2>like and it's like very spastic, and they jumped out
<v Speaker 2>and all the chinchillas had gotten out of the cage.
<v Speaker 2>They can't do this anymore, by the way, but there
<v Speaker 2>was a mouse trap behind oh no bridge and Tofu,
<v Speaker 2>the fattest chinchilla, he's like the size of a literal puppy.
<v Speaker 2>He's like this big chilsre normally like this big like
<v Speaker 2>guinea pig. He's like this big uh and he got
<v Speaker 2>his h toes caught in it, and now he's got
<v Speaker 2>the shaka forever. Oh no, because they had to amputate off.
<v Speaker 2>He had to get amputated. Well, at least he didn't
<v Speaker 2>get fully moused. That's what I thought that was going.
<v Speaker 2>I know, yeah, but no, he's totally fine, but he's
<v Speaker 2>just got some shaka going on. It's like I see
<v Speaker 2>him in my head as like one eye sounding like
<v Speaker 2>pee and he's like a real goofball of a guy.
<v Speaker 1>That's tofu, Well, you should give him some kung fu cow.
<v Speaker 2>For a voice swap, oh kung fu cow.
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I think you should.
<v Speaker 2>Because I think you know.
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to spoil it yet because things are
<v Speaker 3>in the works. Things are in the works.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a teaser. Okay, stay tuned. T O O
<v Speaker 1>N A D damn it.
<v Speaker 2>I love that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, and shall we say gay to the cheese.
<v Speaker 3>The Cheese of Truth. Yeah, we wanted to do a
<v Speaker 3>Cheese of truth with you. Okay, let's do it all right,
<v Speaker 3>So how are we? Okay, so we'll record, we'll record
<v Speaker 3>the Cheese of Truth and then we'll show it right here.
<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, we'll put it in there. You go, gim,
<v Speaker 2>now you're watching the Cheese of Truth. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And now the Cheese of the Ruth.
<v Speaker 2>Jim has two Jim, you got a wax?
<v Speaker 1>Uh. Not necessarily, I'd rather.
<v Speaker 2>No using the cheese said you had to so yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but it's.
<v Speaker 1>Not necessarily the Cheese of Truth. It's mostly the cheese
<v Speaker 1>of suggestion.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, yes, I think cheese of suggestion. It rolls
<v Speaker 2>off the tongue absolutely in trouble. So what's next? For you.
<v Speaker 2>What do we have to look forward to? Man? I
<v Speaker 2>have some secret squirrel stuff that I'm working on right,
<v Speaker 2>some stuff with you guys, yes, and some other stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Well, planning a wedding congratulations by the way, to get thank.
<v Speaker 2>You so much. Yeah, I got to plan that. It's
<v Speaker 2>gonna be wild because both of us are super unorganized.
<v Speaker 2>So we've just been pushing it off, like and it's like,
<v Speaker 2>I want to get married to you, but like, do
<v Speaker 2>we have to do like a whole wedding. I was like,
<v Speaker 2>kind of like I should talk to her mom. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>exactly have to be in there. They have to be
<v Speaker 2>in there. So yes, we're gonna plan that out somehow
<v Speaker 2>between our laziness schedules and figure out how when this
<v Speaker 2>could be twenty twenty seven?
<v Speaker 1>Mm, So that's a good year to get married. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's nice. I think that's the perfect year to get married.
<v Speaker 1>But that sounds good to me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Are we gonna get invitated?
<v Speaker 2>I hope you will sing at it, man, like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we can do that. Are you an officiator? I could be.
<v Speaker 2>Would you want to know?
<v Speaker 1>But I play one on TV?
<v Speaker 2>You play for a wedding?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I would. I would love to Although I don't.
<v Speaker 1>I don't you know. I'm not a justice of the
<v Speaker 1>piece or anything else. If you came and ordained anything.
<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine if you came in and saying be prepared.
<v Speaker 1>It's like foreshadowing be prepared. It's so funny.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I went to sound sorted, but you'll
<v Speaker 2>be rewarded. I went to a gold Digger. I well,
<v Speaker 2>I went to a wedding a couple of years ago.
<v Speaker 3>As the bride and groom were walking off the altar,
<v Speaker 3>they played gold Digger by Kanye West. That was the
<v Speaker 3>first song that DJ started playing as they're walking off
<v Speaker 3>the altar, and we all kind of just looked at
<v Speaker 3>each other like.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's the right song at this moment. Damn,
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of it was kind of awkward. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it was.
<v Speaker 3>And also the DJ mispronounced the bride's wife bride, why
<v Speaker 3>can't I talk the bride's name, also announcing her name,
<v Speaker 3>he mispronounced it.
<v Speaker 1>And her name was I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>He said, Joanne.
<v Speaker 3>You had a rehearsal, right, like wouldn't you go over
<v Speaker 3>the pronunciation of like the two most important people, the
<v Speaker 3>most important person at the most important. Yeah, that's right now,
<v Speaker 3>let's just wing it, go for it.
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, oh man, that's crazy, but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think that's that's it, just the wedding right now.
<v Speaker 2>I can't talk about literally anything else. Yes, you know
<v Speaker 2>you're standing on social media, get ready for some new
<v Speaker 2>content all the time. And yeah, and for the for
<v Speaker 2>the ten people who don't follow you, where where can
<v Speaker 2>they follow you? On? Nathan Castle on all platforms? Baby,
<v Speaker 2>you know where to find me? All right? Right, thanks
<v Speaker 2>for having me guys, Thank you so much for doing this.
<v Speaker 2>Really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely very cool. Thanks for being here.
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it absolutely absolutely.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, we will see you in the next one. Thank
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<v Speaker 1>Been a good lord, blessed KPY.
<v Speaker 3>And our guests of the day, Nathan Cassell, thank you
<v Speaker 3>again so much for being here. Really appreciate it, and
<v Speaker 3>we will see you all in the next one great
<v Speaker 3>good pace.
<v Speaker 1>We'll have to raffle off that piece of cheese now,
<v Speaker 1>oh I soul a.
<v Speaker 2>Size she's once for like thirty three thousand dollars. What,
<v Speaker 2>of course you didn