#321 - Firearms Training: Essential Life Skill or Elite Club?

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Crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch.

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This guy comes up and he had already
established himself that first day.

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He was a geek, nerd, wannabe, idiot.

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Finally, he just blurted out,
oh, sure. Mr.

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Smith, what are we going to do?

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Like, do like the kitchen doors and,
you know, like, roll and get up and engage

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multiple targets and all you know,
I mean, I think that's

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I think it's really important.

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And I remember Clint just like, sighed.

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And he looked at me and Clint
kind of smiled.

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He says, I'll make you a deal.

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Let's just concentrate on learning how
not to shoot yourself or your neighbor,

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and we'll worry about that other stuff
later.

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I said.

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Well, Roy, this is a topic that,

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we've we've kind of kicked around
for a while, and I finally decided

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it's time to do it,
and it's kind of an opinion thing,

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but I think some learning can occur
for all parties involved.

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And we're going to talk about training.

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We often recommend
to get professional firearms training.

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And, most people understand that
and maybe not everybody can afford it,

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but most people understand
at least the reason behind it.

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Occasionally you get those people going,
well, you know, trainers are just

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you're just shilling for the training
industry and trainers are jerks.

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And let's, let's talk about that today.

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Both of us have trained folks.

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You've trained a lot more folks
than I have, but I've done my share of it.

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And, we're going to talk about it
from the trainer side,

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from the student side,
because both of us are eternal students

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and just kind of, analyze
this whole idea of

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why would you need professional
training in shooting?

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And, I'll leave it at something.

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We point out a lot
that shooting is a perishable skill.

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And just because you got training
in the Army and Basic 42 years ago,

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if you haven't shot
since then, you probably suck at it.

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So it's like riding a bicycle.

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You'll pick it back up pretty quick.

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But if if you haven't used
that skill in a while, and especially

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if you haven't been trained on it,
your skill level goes down over time.

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So, Roy, when you say
gun training, what do you think of.

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It's that was a tired.

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I know it it's multi-dimensional.

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You know, it's like, where do you start?

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But to me, a quick overview
is because this is what I've seen.

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I know this is what you've seen.

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I grew up hunting with my grandpa.

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I know about guns.

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Why would I go to a trainer?

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Because he wouldn't teach me anything
I don't already know.

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Well, with rare exceptions,
that they're exactly wrong, you know?

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And those are the people who buy,

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a Glock and load it
and put it in their holster

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and never even shoot it and say, it's
okay.

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I know about guns. Right?

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Okay, so that's bad.

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We know that the other ones
that I particularly

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am amused by as you bump

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into some 80 year old guy

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and he said, oh,
I'm a certified firearms trainer.

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And I go, you are, you know.

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Oh, yeah, I was certified by the NRA

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in 19 was, you know, 68.

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Which can

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be as little as a four hour class
in those days.

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Right.

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And so, you know, no,
you're not a firearms trainer.

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And if you're listening
and you want training,

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you shouldn't
listen to those kind of people.

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I mean, yeah, go shooting,
see what you have,

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but don't consider yourself,

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to be a firearms, you know, trainer

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or to be someone who attended training,
you know,

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I mean, you know, and then, of course,
there's all, you know,

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all the regional gun shops have that have

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ranges, especially have trainers on site.

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And, the thing about it, though,
is that a lot of people don't realize

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is that there's no training,
vetting system.

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I mean, in other words,
I literally could hang shingle out

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tomorrow and say, I do firearms training

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and then and people who don't know
would just believe me,

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and then they would show up
and I might teach them

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really, really bad things, because
we've all seen that before, you know,

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I mean, I've

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seen trainers who have put students
downrange and shoot around them,

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you know, because they say, oh,
I want you to experience what gunfire

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sounds like down there.

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It's like, really, really, you know.

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Yeah.

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And, I told one guy like that
and I said, okay, now

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something happens
and they accidentally get shot.

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And now the police cars here,

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and the paramedics and the policeman walks
up to you and says, what happened here?

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And you say,

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well, they were downrange

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and we were shooting.

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They were what?

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Yeah. You know what?

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Yeah.

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And you're gonna learn
what it's like to have handcuffs on.

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So, I mean, I think that it.

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I mean, you're right.

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We always say you should seek training,
you know?

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Well, how do you find training?
What do you.

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You know, I mean, I think it's as simple
as if you live in a certain area, doctor

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Google will help you type in firearms
trainers near me.

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Right?

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If you're lucky, you'll come up
with half a different plate,

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half a dozen different places.

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It might be a stand alone
guy who's got his own range.

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They're pretty rare these days.

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More than likely
there be a gun store with an indoor range.

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And they have onsite firearms trainers.

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And this is where the onus is on you.

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I mean, you really have to go
and talk to the men and ask

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what their experiences and, you know,
where did they get their training?

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I mean, that's the only way to do it.

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And the problem is I what I see is
if you're not a shooter,

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then anything they say
is going to sound right.

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You know,
so I think it's like shopping for a car.

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You need to you need to shop
several places if you can.

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If you have that luxury
and then you're, you're going to bump into

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somebody who just seems like
they know what they're doing.

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You know, the these
we all know them, these these trainers

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that have this certain sense of calm
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they speak with quiet authority, except

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they're also very welcoming and patient.

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And, you know,
all of those things should be part

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if you take your first class.

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And if they start by yelling at you,

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I just unload your gun
and put it back on the holster.

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Leave exactly.

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Yeah.

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That that's an ego problem
masquerading as an instructor.

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And fortunately, it's
not too widespread in the industry.

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But we've all seen them.

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And I think I've told the story before of,
we were doing

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some teaching behind another group,
and we were in the changeover

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and it was some older guys,
and they were in our NRA instructors.

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And we were that day happened
to be teaching an all female class.

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And, you know,

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we learned after a while that sometimes
females just want to be females.

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That's fine.

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So we did that.

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And these guys stood over there
on the line a little later and I did.

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And some of the women heard that.

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And for for people
that this is literally their first contact

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shooting a handgun,
a couple of one to leave and

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the person I was with who was the,

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the range master went over and said,
what are you doing?

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What are you doing here?

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You know, and it was
it was just that chauvinistic,

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ego driven
look at that little old lady there.

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That little lady there.
You know she doesn't.

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That's too big of a gun for these guys.

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And I know them
from being in the community.

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And they knew about this
much more than the students did.

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So it's not like
they were really experienced.

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And to me,
that was the the single worst time

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I'd ever seen an instructor
behave, towards students.

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And I thought, what? Why are you even.

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Well, I was going to say, why would you
even want to be an instructor?

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The reason they want to be an instructor.

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So they could hitch up their pants
and inflict their,

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their, condescension on other people.

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And it's like.

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Yeah.

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Like Roy said, if you if you're dealing
with people like that, just say thank you.

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Hope the check clears. I'm out of here.

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So. Well, you know,
and you bring up many good points there.

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But I think one way out of
this is to if you're serious about it,

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is attend
one of the sort of vetted schools,

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you know, the gun sites of the world.

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And, you know, there are other ones,
some of them are regional

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around the country.

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And your best friend, though,

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even if you're attending a local class,

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is go online and read reviews,

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you know, and and if,
if a, if a lot of people say,

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wow, this was the best thing
I could have ever done.

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They were they were nice.
The equipment was good.

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They were patient with me there.

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You know, what's like, okay, well,
maybe that's a good idea.

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You know,

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if there are no reviews,
I would be suspicious of that.

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You know?

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But I think you just believe your gut.

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Unfortunately, with new shooters,
they are an open book.

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They're sponge. Right.

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So they go up to the counter
at the gun store and they say,

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I see that you offer training, you know,
can you tell me what that is?

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Well, that's the magic point.

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So if they say,

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certainly, I'd be happy to.

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What is it that you're looking for? Right.

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And you say, well,
I'm a brand new shooter.

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And so I need to start from the beginning.

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I understand

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we have a two hour introduction
to shooting that,

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you know, I mean, because you're going to
get a sense of like, this is reasonable.

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This guy sounds nice.

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You know?

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I mean, this shop is clean.

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The range looks good.

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I'm being made to feel welcome here,
you know, but if you go up there

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and the guy rolls his eyes,
you know, and says, well,

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you know, every Friday
we have a class at six hours, it's $199.

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You have to bring your own gun, bring
your own holster, bring your own ammo.

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Yeah, well, at that, you know,
thank you, but no, thank you, you know.

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Yeah. Turn around and leave.

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I just helped somebody buy
his first first gun ever.

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And now he's in another state.

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I just I talked him through.

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It is all.

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And, and he had this exact question.

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What do I do?
I don't know anything about this gun.

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And so I gave him
a little bit of instruction on just things

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to be safe with it.

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When you after
you pick it up and stuff like that.

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And, where he is, is an urban area.

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So he was able to find about
four indoor ranges.

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And so he did exactly
what we're talking about.

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He went to each one of them,

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and then he got back to me
and he said, you know what?

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I found what I really liked,
it was kind of like a log cabin.

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And I went inside and it was
it was neat and orderly.

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And the people were really nice.

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actually took me on a tour of the range

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and showed me the rental guns they had,
and showed me the targets and showed me

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the reloads that I'm required to use
when I shoot there.

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And made me feel really welcome.

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So I'm pretty comfortable.

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I'm going to go with them
and it's like great success.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's
exactly how you should do it.

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Don't compromise. You know. Yep.

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Well, you know, sitting here
talking about it, it's hard for us.

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We've been immersed in this culture
for literally decades, but

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probably one of the questions
we'll get is,

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let's talk about the tiers of training,
the levels of training.

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And it's pretty simple, really.

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You've got your local trainer, which
typically, for a lot of folks is gun shop.

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It may be for a, it may be,
you know, whomever a local group

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that has local instructors, often
they're NRA certified instructors.

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And I'll talk about that in a second.

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But that's your local level.

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I would say the quality varies
the most with this level.

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You'll have people that are really good,
really experienced,

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really smart and patient
and all those great things, Roy said.

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And then you'll have some people
that are just

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unsafe and idiots and horrible people,

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and it you tend to see those people
at this level.

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So again, as you said, Roy,
that's the key.

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Buyer beware. Do your research.

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Trust your gut.

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If this guy feels like a jerk
when you're signing up

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for the class, he's probably
not going to get better on range day.

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So, you really need to be
an experienced consumer.

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The next level is your
what they call an itinerant trainer.

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And there's a lot of these,
they tend to be retired law enforcement

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or retired military people
that have put a lot of bullets downrange

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and and have had a lot
of training experiences

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and a lot of real world experience,

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because by the time you get to the point
where you're hanging your shingle out

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and traveling the country and the world
as a trainer, if you're an idiot

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or a jackass, you're not going to last
very long at that.

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So if a guy's been doing it for 15 years,
that right there kind of vets them as

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they've got some kind of worth in the
in the world of training.

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Either that
or they're pulling the greatest scam ever.

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But generally, you know, if you survive 2
or 3 years on the road, teaching

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full time,
means you've got something of value for,

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enough folks
that you can make a business out of it.

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And then the probably the top tier
is the academy.

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So gunsight is the world's
oldest and largest shooting school,

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because I was just staying
with Ken Campbell and I heard it 50 times.

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But it's true to me. It's the mothership.

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It's where everything else flows from.

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But you've got, Clint Smith and,

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Thunder Ranch.

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I'm not sure

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that one out by Vegas now
it's gone through a couple of iterations.

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Sig Academy, there's a number of these,

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academies that if you're doing it
full time and you have a physical location

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with full time trainers again,

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nothing's a guarantee
and there's no certification.

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But if they're doing that
and they've done it for a number of years,

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they're probably really good
at what they do.

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So that's kind of the way
if you're looking at training

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and I would suggest start out, I wouldn't
suggest, first time spend all the money

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and time and energy to get to gunsight
as your first class, if you can.

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That's great.

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You will have a life changing experience,
but start with that weekend class

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at the local range with somebody you feel
like is going to be a decent instructor,

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so you least know which end of the gun
to point down range, how

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not to, you know,
put it in your ear and pull the trigger.

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Get those basics down and then kind of
work your way up up the tiers,

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your thoughts
on this kind of tier structure

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and where where the different trainers
fall. You're right.

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It's it's more of a crapshoot
when you're talking locally.

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But that doesn't mean there's not good
local trainers because.

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Exactly.

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I mean, I have some in this Joplin area.

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They're well respected by people.

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Yeah, they tend to be on the modest side,

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you know,
they don't wave their arms and yell,

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that's that's a real key note.

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If they're waving their arms and yelling,
you know, you have to leave that that

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second tier though, the the retired law
enforcement retired, you know, whatever.

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They can be a crapshoot, though,
because there's

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they tend to get fanboys.

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Exactly.

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And so they'll be a guy
and I mean, I've attended him.

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You go there and he's the tiger McHugh
is like this very soft

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spoken, very knowledgeable,
very supportive.

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A very much a teacher, you know,

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but then you get a guy
who's a former seal,

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and they come out on the range
and they run like a military unit,

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you know, and there's, like,

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yelling at you, and you will re holster
on my command and burglary, you know.

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Well, if it's Sam and Suzy Homemaker
just wants to learn how to shoot

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their notorious revolver,
you know, those guys can be intimidating.

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But having said that, now,
they may also have the fan club with them

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where they're all geared up
and tactical up and shooting,

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you know, and everything, and that's fine.

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That gives them something to do.
They should go do that.

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But I don't think that's how it is
or how it needs to be.

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You know, when,

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gosh,

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after the first Gulf War,
and I got to know Clint Smith,

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he was had just,
just barely started at Thunder Ranch.

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And, he said I would,
he said, Mark my word.

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He said, when, when these guys

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come back, we're going to see an explosion

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and tactical training schools.

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I mean, because at the time
it was really Gunsight and Thunder Ranch.

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I mean, you know, there might have been 1
or 2 other ones, but those were the two.

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You know, they kind of wrote the book.

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They were the format. And,

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and sure enough,

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you know, as the first Gulf War
have a second Gulf War happened,

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the chat show got flooded with AR fifteens
and body armor and night vision

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gear and all that,
and then all of these little one man

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schools that are kind of you're
talking about the second tier kind of,

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all started to open up
and most of them were traveling.

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And so they would what they would do is
they would contact local rangers and say,

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I will go there and do a one day
class, a two day class, a three day rifle.

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Class,
and then you invite the people, you know,

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I show up, I teach, I get a percentage,
and then it's on to the next one.

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Right?

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So the only defense you have
there is good vetting.

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And so

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here you need to, to,

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search for students,
see if they have a website,

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see what kind of comments they have.

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You know,

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and then just leap off the cliff and go.

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But I would definitely stay locally
if you really are brand new to it.

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Because as Brant said, I think,

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I think if you went to gun site
and took their

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what's their first class
called the two 5250,

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you would have to have a good gun
and a good holster, ammunition.

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And to me, yes, you could show up
there never having fired the gun at all.

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And but I think
if you had at least some experience

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and that would be a much better experience
for you either way, if you're brand new,

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I would really recommend
that you seek training out locally.

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Probably someplace with an indoor range.

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Just get,
you know, your gun handling skills

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up, you know, get sight
picture, trigger squeeze.

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Understand how you put a target
up on a target backing board.

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When do you pick up your brass?

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How do you carry spare ammunition?

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When you're on the range,
you just learn all those basic things.

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And then,
I mean, you can learn a lot of that

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with one class,
but then once you get that foundation,

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now you'll know either
you want to go more, right?

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Or maybe that was enough.

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And so now you take whoever local guys
second class, you know,

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and they may they usually have 2 or 3 or 4
or 5 classes, you know,

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they may do two handguns and then they may
have introduction to the AR 15,

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and then they may have introduction
to the combat shotgun.

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Right.

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So and if they have weekend

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competitions at their indoor range,
you know, casual

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you know, shooters, steel plates
kind of stuff, I would recommend that too

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because you'll learn a lot.

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And let's talk about this,

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kind of that middle tier
and qualifications because you're exactly

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right that after we've had a shooting war,
a lot of the guys that got to put a

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lot of rounds down range and in real world
think, well, I, I but what do I know?

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Oh, I know how to tear stuff up
and I know how to shoot.

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So that's the. Thing. Yeah.

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I can't find a job tearing stuff up.

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So I'm going to I'm going
to become a traveling trainer.

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And again, some of those guys are great.

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Some of those guys, are only still
in business because of their fanboys.

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And, you know, when when I start talking

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or I see things posted on the internet
if it's.

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Well, he's
he was a Navy Seal and he was Delta

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and he was,
you know, a PJ and the ninja squirrel and

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that that means nothing because,

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the higher you rise on that hierarchy
in the military,

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in terms of operational,
yeah, you probably have more training

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opportunities, you have more actual
shooting opportunities.

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But that doesn't mean
you know how to instruct.

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And the other caution I would make
is in the civilian

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meaning law and civilian law enforcement,
nonmilitary.

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If if it's one thing to clear a house
by tossing in a couple of frags

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and doing a mag dump, that doesn't go so
well when you're at the supermarket

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and you've got to pull your revolver
and defend your life.

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So make sure the person you know
they may be a Delta

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ninja secret squirrel with the 1500 kills.

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But if they don't understand,
we're not in Afghanistan

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or Syria or wherever.

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That skill set, the trigger pull

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certainly does, but everything around
it doesn't apply.

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So you've got to be careful of that
and don't get enamored with Navy Seals.

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So don't just assume
because a guy's a former Seal.

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That means that he knows what he's doing.

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Other special ops.

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Again, it you just got to be a little bit
educated and see through the hype, but,

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that's where the hype tends
to cloud people's judgment,

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especially if you're younger
and less experienced.

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Well, this guy was,
you know, seven tours, Navy Seal.

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Well, that didn't mean he hit anything.

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It just mean
he didn't get hit in return fire.

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So so be aware of that.

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And as far as law enforcement goes,

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you know, if a guy is experienced, great.

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But again, make sure that they can teach

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because I've known a lot of guys,
as has Roy, that are,

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firearms instructors and law enforcement.

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And again, they're not the person
I would send my daughter

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or my wife to in a class.

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Well,
and that's you brought up a good point,

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which I've had a lot of people say,
oh, my friend who's a cop says that

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I should buy this guy.

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And he said, he'll show me how to shoot.

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No and no.

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You're there.

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Yeah.

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There are cops who know how to shoot,

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and there are cops
who are trainers on their agency,

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and they're good teachers,
and there's nothing wrong with that.

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And if you find one,
you know, count your blessings.

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But just because they're a cop
doesn't mean they know about guns.

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And and, you know, the the whole it's

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like in a home defense shooting,
people have this imaginary,

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picture in their brain
and is that they wake up at nighttime

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and the house is dark,
and they go down the hallway

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00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,560
and there's a shadowy figure backlit,
standing with the knife held up like this.

474
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,280
Right.

475
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,760
And then they magically have their gun
and they shoot him and he falls down.

476
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,840
And then the police come
and they shake his hand

477
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,760
and they say, what a hero he is
and all that, you know?

478
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,240
And so it's it's never like that again.

479
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,320
But but people are enamored
with the Navy Seals, and they're enamored

480
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,800
with that sort of the idea of being a hero
and things like that, you know?

481
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,400
And so you need to

482
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,040
not do that.

483
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,040
I mean, concentrate on don't
shoot yourself in the foot.

484
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,880
I was
I was attending a basic handgun class

485
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,200
at Thunder Ranch in the middle 90s,
I suppose.

486
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,480
And there's nothing wrong
with attending a basic class,

487
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,600
even if you already attended
a basic class.

488
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,560
It's a really good idea because it gets
you well grounded in the basics.

489
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:31,920
Again.

490
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,160
And as as Clint used to say,
you know, advanced

491
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,800
advanced tactics are just the basics
applied, you know?

492
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,600
And he's right.

493
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,760
But I remember we were on the range
and it was gravel.

494
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,320
And I think I've told this story
once or twice before,

495
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,080
but I'm going to tell it again
because it proves a point.

496
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,880
And that is
it was like the end of day one.

497
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,560
So really at this point
it's it's how to draw your gun,

498
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,400
how to loaded, how to manipulate it,
how to shoot the target at seven yards,

499
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,680
know how to scan a little bit, don't shoot
your neighbor.

500
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,600
Don't shoot yourself in the foot.

501
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,960
You know that kind of stuff.

502
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960
And we had a lot
of really first timers in the class.

503
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,920
And so I was talking to Clint
and he was like, hey, yeah, this.

504
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,760
And we're doing that and this your crunch,
crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch.

505
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,760
This guy comes up.

506
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,640
And he had already established himself
that first day.

507
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,640
He was a geek, nerd, wannabe idiot. Yeah.

508
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,680
That guy, that guy. Yeah.

509
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,440
And he's like all geared up
and everything.

510
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,160
17 magazines and all that.

511
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,720
And he said he was waiting.

512
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,760
You could tell
he was like, almost out of breath

513
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,800
because he couldn't wait any more.

514
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,640
Finally, he just blurted out, oh, Mr.

515
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,640
Smith, what are we going to do?

516
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,640
Like the,
you know, like the kitchen doors and,

517
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,680
you know, like roll and get up and engage
multiple targets

518
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,080
and all, you know, I mean, I think that's
I think it's really important.

519
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,240
I want to know that stuff.

520
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,920
And I remember Clint just like, sighed.

521
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,920
And he looked at me.

522
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,480
They looked at the sky and he said,

523
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,560
what do you do for a living?

524
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,960
Because of course, most of these people,
they're bank tellers.

525
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,840
And who knows why.

526
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,000
Nobody here was a ninja, right?

527
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,080
And I kid you not, he this guy was Arthur
Murray, dance instructor.

528
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,480
And I didn't even believe
there was such a thing.

529
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,920
But he was right.

530
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,000
And if you picture that in your mind,
that's exactly what he was.

531
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,120
And Clint kind of smiled.

532
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,600
He says, I'll make a deal.

533
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,440
Let's just concentrate on learning how
not to shoot yourself or your neighbor.

534
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,560
And let's concentrate on learning
how to load your gun safely

535
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,480
and unload your gun safely.

536
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480
And we'll worry about that
other stuff later.

537
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,720
And it was like dejected, turn around.

538
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Crunch, crunch
crunch crunch. Back to the thing.

539
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,280
But, I saw that repeated many times,

540
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,800
you know, and, so
just if you want to do that, that's fine.

541
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,360
But you get the basics and, you know,

542
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,920
and then learn how to do it from somebody
reputable.

543
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,200
Well, it's very much like driving a car.

544
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,240
You wouldn't throw the keys
to your Ferrari,

545
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,160
to your 16 year old
who just got a driver's license that day.

546
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,880
So go have fun.

547
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,240
Yeah, it happens occasionally.

548
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,240
And then you see it on the news
because of what happens.

549
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,800
So, you know, get some experience,
maybe take another driving class.

550
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,200
Then you go to bond different.

551
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,080
And, you know, then your, you know
and your weekend racing.

552
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,560
It's the same thing with guns.

553
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,480
You got to start out crawl, walk, run.

554
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Reputable instructors.

555
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,360
And you know,
my mantra is I'm always training.

556
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,280
I'm taking classes all the time.

557
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,280
I'm forever a student because as we
said, it's a perishable skill and you'll

558
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,840
always learn something,
even if it is, I'm never going

559
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,960
to go around that guy
or that class ever again

560
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,480
will pick something up, and it reinforces
the good skills you have.

561
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,680
And in closing,

562
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,160
one thing I will say the hardest thing
for a student to do,

563
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,480
and this doesn't matter
whether you're a complete novice

564
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,840
or you've got a lot of time under
your belt, is the idea

565
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,840
that if if they're not being safe,

566
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,320
walk away.

567
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,040
And the instances
of putting students down.

568
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,080
But usually it's more subtle than that.

569
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,800
It's an instructor
that will sweep the class with his muzzle.

570
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,720
And while it's unloaded, I don't care.

571
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,120
I don't want to be swept by a muzzle.

572
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,960
Now, the counterpoint to that is the guys
that when the gun is fully taken apart

573
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,680
while the barrel was pointing
my direction, it's fine, it's okay.

574
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,880
But when when instructors demonstrate
things and they point at the students

575
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,200
without using a red gun, a plastic gun,
something like that, a special situation.

576
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,400
But when they're casually
just sweeping the crowd or

577
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,600
or you see students
that are continually sweeping,

578
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,360
and doing stupid stuff like that
and nothing's being done about it.

579
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,560
Your highest duty in life at that point
is to say, I'm out of here, I'm done.

580
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,440
And if the the instructors reputable,
they'll pull your side.

581
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,880
What's the problem? Well,
you know, this happened.

582
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,400
Okay?

583
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,240
If it's a student, I'll take care of it.

584
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,680
If it was me.

585
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,400
My gosh, you know, that's horrible.

586
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,240
Stay around, for a few minutes, and,
you know, we'll correct this.

587
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,560
But if there's a rule that I didn't see
it, I didn't do that.

588
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,720
You need to be out of there. So.

589
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,520
Well, you know, I'd like two more things,
and then I'll be done.

590
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,400
Is, first of all, I don't mean to beat up
the certified NRA fire instructors, okay?

591
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,360
But the reality is, if you were certified

592
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,360
47 years ago, your training isn't current.

593
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,360
It's as simple as that.

594
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,400
You know,
would you want a doctor to operate on you?

595
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,560
Whose last operation he did
was 47 years ago?

596
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,080
Now you want a guy who's current,
who does the work now,

597
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,320
who practices all the time. So.

598
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,440
So having said that,

599
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,840
that doesn't mean there's not good

600
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,520
NRA firearms instructors,
because there are and I've met some

601
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,840
and there are very dedicated people
and they take regular training.

602
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,800
And they are what we need.

603
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,680
And so if you know, some, you know, do
I mean Google NRA firearms instructor

604
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,520
in your area and see what turns up,
you know, you may get up to be lucky.

605
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,560
The other thing I've noticed
is people say,

606
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,520
like they say, oh,
I bought a concealed weapons permit gun.

607
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,640
And, you know, show it to me or something.

608
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,920
I said, well, that's really good.
Have you had any training?

609
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,560
Oh, yeah, I have.

610
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,320
It's like, okay.

611
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,920
What training did you have?

612
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,800
And I can't tell you the number of times
I hear, well,

613
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,840
I did my hunter
safety training when I was 16 years old.

614
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,880
So. So I'm trained now for firearms.

615
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,880
So, you know, it's like you're.

616
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,240
A gunfighter now, aren't?

617
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,400
Yeah. You are not, a trained for firearms.

618
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,560
As a matter of fact, many hunter safety
classes, you don't even shoot a gun.

619
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,760
You don't even pick up a real gun,
you know?

620
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,160
Well, let me just.

621
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,520
Interrupt a sidebar there.

622
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,240
These states where you have to take
mandatory training before

623
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,600
you can get your permit or buy a gun.

624
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,520
I know. Oh, it. Is.

625
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,200
Yeah. Lowest common denominator.
It is not training.

626
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,520
It is a minimum certification.

627
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,120
So don't tout that as your
your training experience for having it.

628
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Yeah.

629
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,280
So and like that's that because I also
hear that with people who take a CCW class

630
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,160
where because of it because they'll say,
well in order to get your permit,

631
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,920
do you have to take this two hour,
you know, proof of competency, CCW

632
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,960
and that and like you say,
no, that's not training.

633
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,280
You know, I mean, because I know people
who show up there with a Ruger 22 pistol,

634
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,920
but their carry gun is a Glock 19,
you know, that they've never fired.

635
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,160
So so that's
I would just be sensible about it.

636
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,360
And and I'm sorry,
NRA certified firearms instructors,

637
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,920
but I think it's also safe for me to say,
you know who you are.

638
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,600
Okay.

639
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,960
And I would say that same thing
about anybody who calls himself a trainer,

640
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,200
but isn't current.

641
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,000
But it

642
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000
is a challenge, though,
if you're if you're a brand new shooter,

643
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,680
I mean, that would be a hard thing
to, to try to find.

644
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,680
I know I've helped to countless people
to do it, and it's not always easy,

645
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,040
but just stay the course
and don't compromise.

646
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,760
Yeah.

647
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,840
Well, I think the whole going full circle

648
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,840
back to our title,
you know, training is gatekeeping.

649
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,040
I think the, the people that feel that way
are the ones who,

650
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,560
either have unrealistic expectations,
which there's a few of those,

651
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,760
but I think mostly it's that.

652
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,200
Okay, I went down to the local gun store
and the 26 year old, I've had,

653
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,320
lots of training.

654
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,080
And, you know,
you need this gun and you need that,

655
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,080
and you need to learn and make sure you
got your plate carrier and

656
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,840
they walk away going, no, I this
this is this is bad.

657
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,520
So I hope that we get the point
across that

658
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,680
there's those guys
and a few gals like that in the industry,

659
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,800
but there's also a lot of folks
that really want to be a teacher.

660
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,680
And there's a difference
between an instructor and a teacher.

661
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,680
And if you can find a
a teacher of firearms

662
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,200
and then moving on into tactics,
hold that person

663
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,320
with the greatest love and respect,
because those are the people

664
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,720
that you want to associate
with and find more of them

665
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,120
and continue your lifelong
training journey.

666
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,840
So any any final thoughts there?

667
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,880
Right.

668
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,920
Well, if you do that and then someday

669
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,920
you'll be helping somebody else

670
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,080
with their new gun experiences,
you know, because you could say,

671
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,960
I understand I was there,
you know, and here's how you do it.

672
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,400
So that works out.

673
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,000
So all right, make your comments,
I'll read them and respond to them.

674
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,080
Well,
I think we may get some questions too.

675
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,520
So, leave questions down
if you're watching us on YouTube,

676
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,560
of course, you can reach out
via email editor at Guns

677
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,040
podcast.us,
and, we'll do our best to answer them.

678
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,760
And those are the kind of,

679
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,680
comments that I, I do try to answer.

680
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,560
And Roy certainly does when people
have questions on us, questions about,

681
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,480
well, how do I do this?

682
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,720
Or this guy said, I need a plate carrier
for my intro to CCW.

683
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,520
No, no, that's
that's not not necessary, kids.

684
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,720
So we'll we'll do our best to give you
our experience of having been to an awful

685
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:24,920
lot of classes and having some real world
experience and being trainers ourselves.

686
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,160
So anyway, before we go,
of course we need to get

687
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,160
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693
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696
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697
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,600
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698
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,200
So I think we we covered it all.

699
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Hopefully
we didn't upset too many people, but

700
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,520
we're just telling it like we see it.

701
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,400
And based on earning our gray hair.

702
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,560
So, find a good instructor, shop around,

703
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,320
and be a smart student before
you plunk down that hard earned money.

704
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,720
But get training,
get professional training.

705
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,280
So anyway,
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706
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,800
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707
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,960
And as we always say, we wish you to now
get out there and get shooting.