253 | Integrating CCPT Principles into Child-Led Educational Settings

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get

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a master class in child-centered play therapy

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and practical support and application for your

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work with children and their families.

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In today's episode,

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I'm answering a question from

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Emily in Washington state.

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Actually,

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I'm answering several questions from Emily.

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So

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she emailed and had quite a few things that she was wanting to get some thoughts on.

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So we're going.

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To kind of dive into a multi question from the same person episode.

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Before we do that,

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however,

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I want to update you on a couple of things.

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First and foremost,

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the live podcast event was incredible.

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So a huge thank you to all of you who were on that call.

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And I don't know if you all heard this or know this,

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but

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originally my Zoom account

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maxed out at 100 participants on a call.

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And you all registered

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so quickly in so many that

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I hit the 100 mark long before the event was supposed to happen.

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So I ended up increasing the account so that I can have 500 people on a call now.

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And I think when all was said and done,

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there were about 140 or so that,

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that registered.

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And it was just a really exciting time to see faces

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and understand that all of you out there all over the world

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are so excited about CCPT.

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We had probably,

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gosh,

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I don't know,

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20 or so states represented,

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I think 7 or 8 countries represented.

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So

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really amazing.

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Thank you all for being a part of that.

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If you were not able to or if you missed it,

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do not worry,

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we will definitely be scheduling more of those.

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So stay tuned.

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We will let you know when we're going to have another one.

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Also,

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before we get into the question,

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I had several people email me before and around Christmas

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with kind of some end of the year reflections,

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if you will.

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And so I wanted to just share a couple of those really quickly

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because I think that they're so encouraging and it just

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kind of encapsulates,

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I think,

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where we all are at the end of 2024,

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start of a new year of 2025.

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Couple of people emailed and I just wanted to share thoughts,

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so.

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Nika in the UK emailed

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and said,

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I was just reflecting on the blessings,

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accomplishments,

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and growth I have had this year,

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and I found myself saying,

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I have a bigger worldview.

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I love that.

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Don't forget y'all,

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we

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get the same universal outcomes that our kids do when we're CCPT.

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Through my relationship with God and my CCPT practice,

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I've become more confident in myself.

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My fears and anxieties have become less and manageable at most times,

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more than before.

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And this is because I am now able to

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see myself outside the difficult things that have happened.

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It is with a cheerful heart

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that I express my gratitude for God's hand upon you and what you do.

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I have found an identity as a counseling therapist that aligns with my beliefs,

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and I have a community I belong to.

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That makes me so happy.

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So thank you Nika for sharing that.

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Julia

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in New York

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emailed and said,

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I've been reflecting on this Christmas and this season and

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how very grateful I am for you and your podcast.

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I felt so lost before I learned about CCPT.

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I knew I always wanted to work with children,

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but felt like there was a kind of language

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barrier between the interventions we are taught in grad school

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and how children's minds and hearts are wired.

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After learning about CCPT,

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it felt like I was suddenly introduced to a whole new world.

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Yes,

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we all feel that way,

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I think.

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And then she says,

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these reflections were brought to my mind when

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I recently watched Miracle on Thirty-Fourth Street.

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The scene where Kris Kringle connects with a small Dutch child,

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speaks her language,

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and knows her Christmas song always brings tears to my eyes.

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It's a moment of pure acceptance and connection.

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While watching this movie after experiencing CCPT this past year,

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I found myself marveling at how Kris Kringle evokes the

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spirit of child-centeredness and displays the be with attitudes.

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It inspired and invigorated me to continue bringing

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this attitude into my work with children in 2025

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with a refreshed fervor.

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So Julia,

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thank you for that email as well.

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So to both of you,

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I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts with me and

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letting me share them with the podcast world.

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All right,

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so let's dive in now to Emily's questions and

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Emily is an outdoor

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preschool

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owner.

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So I'm not going to read everything in the email because

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she kinda gave me a lot of background about her,

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but she's actually listening to both podcasts,

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so the parenting podcast and the clinical podcast,

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and she is an educator.

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She's the parent of an autistic child and the experience in

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the public school system was actually very harming

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to him and to their family.

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And so she said that there were no

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play therapists in the area and so she decided to dive in and learn about it on her own.

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So Emily,

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high five to you.

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I think sometimes necessity is the mother of invention and sometimes it's what

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we need to force us into the things that we're meant to do.

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I think that your experience led to CCPT finding you and I'm happy for you about that.

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So then she says,

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my son has grown so much with these methods,

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still has a ways to go.

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He went back to public school at his own request

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and has recently been processing more of his trauma from 2 years ago.

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So then here's getting to the question.

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I run a child-centered outdoor play school.

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My background was in traditional preschool,

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but it didn't feel right.

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I hated what I was required to teach.

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My son transformed my life by pushing me to educate myself

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deeper than any of my schooling or work training ever provided.

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I learned about how much more important free play

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is and much better strategies to support physical,

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social,

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and emotional development.

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So I left traditional schools and started my

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own fully child-centered and almost completely outdoor.

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That's so exciting.

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So my questions are,

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do you believe there is room to merge CCPT and a fully child led preschool?

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Absolutely,

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yes,

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simple answer.

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I'll elaborate more.

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Is there a way to integrate play therapy into a school so that kids can learn in

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a social constructivist environment and include kids that would

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maybe not ordinarily sign up for play therapy?

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I feel all kids would benefit from time in this type of environment,

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whether or not the parent feels they need actual one on one therapy.

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But the way I see the majority of parenting

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and the majority of school environments treating kids,

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I feel most kids need this.

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All right,

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so Emily and all of the rest of you who either have

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a history and background in the education system or you are actively

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a school-based play therapist.

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There is a really big movement

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that I'm witnessing,

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and I don't know if you all are aware of it because you

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don't interact with as many therapists as I do around the world,

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more and more and more therapists are pouring into

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making changes in schools.

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And evangelizing CCPT in the academic arena and

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equipping teachers with child-centered principles and meeting

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with staff and faculty and principals and headmasters

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and everybody in the higher up

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elements of the school

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so that we can have change

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at the academic environment.

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in answer to your question,

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do I believe that CCPT can be integrated into

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a play school?

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Absolutely.

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I think that

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we,

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I don't think this.

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We already have evidence that CTRT

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child teacher relationship training is effective.

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When we equip teachers with CCPT principles,

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it revolutionizes and transforms their classrooms.

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So we already know that that is.

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Effective and it is empirically supported.

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And for you to be at an outdoor playschool,

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that just seems like it would blend together so seamlessly.

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Your second question,

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is there a way to do this so that children

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would not necessarily sign up for play therapy but would benefit from this?

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When parents,

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when teachers,

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when any adult in a child's world interacts with them in this way,

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honors them in this way,

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understands these principles,

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children benefit.

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parents,

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I agree with you,

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may not necessarily

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pursue

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play therapy for their child,

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but I think they would see the value of the

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play therapy approach and CCPT principles in an academic environment.

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And then

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the follow up question,

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do I need to have a specific degree to join your Collective or take your trainings?

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I get asked this question a lot,

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Emily,

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so I'm actually really happy that you brought this up so that I can answer

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it to everyone all at once because I usually respond one on one to emails.

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You do not have to have a specific degree to join the

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Collective or take my trainings as long as it is not required

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ethically and legally for you to practice

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where you live.

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So,

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in the states,

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for example,

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you cannot be a play therapist unless you have a mental health,

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at least master's degree.

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Not necessarily mental health,

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but

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not necessarily an LMHC in other words,

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but you have to be a social worker,

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you have to be a counselor,

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you have to be a therapist,

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you have to have the master's degree

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in the mental health field

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to get licensed

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as a social worker or a therapist or a counselor.

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So in the states,

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for example,

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you do need to have a specific degree,

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but in other countries,

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you do not.

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So,

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can you call yourself a play therapist regardless of your background?

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Yes,

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absolutely.

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If you provide play therapy,

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you are a play therapist.

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That is unequivocal.

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to join the Collective and to take my trainings as

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long as you are able to practice where you are

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and do play therapy,

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and it will not violate any legal or ethical.

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Now because you're a preschool teacher or a playschool teacher.

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You could probably say that you provide play therapy and you would

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not be required to have the mental health degree that we do

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you're doing it from the educational standpoint,

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not the mental health standpoint.

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the,

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the questions I get all the time are,

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what are the requirements to take my training?

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do play therapy where you live,

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then you can participate in the Collective and you can

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do the Corewell CEUs,

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and you can

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participate in my coaching programs.

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And really the goal of all of those

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is to equip you

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to really deeply and fully understand the child-centered approach

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and be fully adherent to the model.

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So if that is your goal,

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Emily,

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and all of you actually,

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if you want to be fully adherent to CCPT and

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you want to hone your skills to the highest level,

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the Collective,

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the CEUs through Corwell,

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and the coaching programs are the channels to get you there.

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All right,

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so that was email #1.

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2nd email that I'm going to answer

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question from Emily as well.

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I'm wondering your thoughts on mindfulness and

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SEL activities in schools and at home

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that are Pinteresty and crafty or techniques that

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are taught through songs or something like that,

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things where an adult presents a coping skill to a child

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and practices in a time when the child is already regulated.

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breathing techniques,

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books on coping skills,

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calm down corners with charts that have regulation zones and

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emotion wheels using a sensory bottle to calm down,

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songs that remind you to breathe when you're mad,

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various things like that.

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I see so many ideas shared about how to teach such and such emotional skill,

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and I wonder if they are beneficial or just another

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thing that makes adults feel like they're doing something beneficial.

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Oh boy.

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I'm just going,

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I'm gonna,

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I don't really ever tread lightly,

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but I'm just going to answer your question with your final statement.

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It's just another thing that makes adults

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feel like they're doing something beneficial.

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That's it in a nutshell.

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If you are fully child-centered,

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if you believe that a child is not rational,

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and you should because it's true,

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that's not really a belief,

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that's a fact.

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So children are not rational.

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They don't have the cognitive capacity to process things.

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They don't have abstract reasoning.

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They're not verbal,

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they cannot receive intellectual approaches

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to emotional experiences.

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and I can envision everything that you're saying.

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I can imagine

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all kinds of cute Pinteresty crafty things that are all over the internet,

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I think it would make any adult

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feel really.

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Content and and satisfied

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with,

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I did this and I made this,

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and I created this,

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and I would,

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but it's agenda driven.

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And none of it is age appropriate,

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and none of it is developmentally appropriate for kids.

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it is just another thing that makes

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adults feel like they're doing something beneficial.

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What we need to do.

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Is unconditionally accept the child,

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unconditionally love the child.

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Convey the be with attitudes to the child.

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Fully adhere to CCPT principles.

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Trust in the self-actualization process.

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And believe that the child will work through whatever they need to,

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if given the time,

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the tools,

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and the opportunity.

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So Emily,

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to speak to your outdoor playschool and CCPT principals.

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You trust the process,

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you trust your kids,

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you trust your adherence to the skills.

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And you don't need to do anything else.

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All of that stuff,

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you wanna know what I

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interpreted through that whole list of things that you suggested there.

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Pressure and burden.

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I don't wanna have to teach breathing techniques.

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I don't wanna have to read a book on coping skills.

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I don't wanna have to create a calm down corner.

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I don't wanna have charts.

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can we please burn every chart on this entire planet?

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That would make me so happy.

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I don't wanna have to deal with regulation zones.

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I don't want to talk about emotions wheels.

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I don't wanna have a sensory bottle.

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All that stuff is just busy work,

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and I hate busy work,

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and I hate the burden and pressure of feeling like I'm responsible for someone else.

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The whole premise of CCPT

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is that kids know what they need

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and they will work on it.

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So why in the world do we need to get in the way and intervene and

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put all of this expectation on ourselves and them?

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When it's unnecessary,

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just.

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Provide the environment,

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provide the relationship,

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and they'll do what they need to do.

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So Emily in Washington State,

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I'm excited for you and your playschool.

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I'm excited that you are an outdoor environment for kids to learn,

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and I'm so excited that you're integrating CCPT principles into that.

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So thank you so much for all of the questions.

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I very much appreciate it.

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You all can reach out to me,

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brenna@thekidcounselor.com.

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By the way,

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you all are sending

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some pretty

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intense questions lately,

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so I'm kind of liking this

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depth of

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questioning that's that's emerging.

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So keep them coming.

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I appreciate hearing from y'all

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and we're diving into

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a curriculum

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series

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on neutrality

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this week.

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So there's a little teaser for the curriculum content this week.

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We're going to do some neutrality discussion and I'm

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not sure how many weeks that will span,

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several for sure.

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All right,

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love you all.

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We'll talk again soon.

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Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr.

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Brenna Hicks.

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For more episodes and resources,

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please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.