Texans Trades, Maxx’s Market and Biggest Offseason Questions

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where the trade Psudonami has begun. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in Los Angeles with a couple of friends, and I'm not next to Olly Connolly is in Manchester. Patrick Claybond is actually in the Red Zone studio right now in Inglewood, California, and he is telling me it's a terrible idea to tape from there because a tour just walked in as we started taping. Are they still You're gonna have to unmute here for a second, Patrick, Are they still, you know, conducting the tour?

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Speaker 2: As I throw it to you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Greg, I can't confirm that. Always good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna mute Patrick again. We're going to assume that they don't stay in there, just showing the different spots where you know, Scott Hansen Spittle hit the ground for like twenty minutes, and that we can get Patrick into the show.

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Speaker 2: But I mentioned the trade tsunami.

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Speaker 1: Ali, you know, we're't sure if we're doing a show today, and I thought, look, the regular season is the next two weeks. In the next two weeks, we're gonna basically get all the news that we end up talking about and reanalyzing for the next six months, and I was like, things are gonna start happening, and we got some trades, so we're gonna ask some big questions about this offseason, and we're going to talk about the trades and the Houston Texans delivered for us.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing post Combine?

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Speaker 4: By the way, I'm doing good post Combine, still digging through the minds of these draft prospects. And I peeked my head above the power pit for like ten minutes and trades going off all over the police.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I just expect like a slow, steady drumbeat of news all up until next Sunday when we just start going daily. We're going to be live with a lot of shows. Excited to tell you about all our plans for that. But let's talk about those Texans trades right off the bat.

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Speaker 2: So two deals.

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Speaker 1: David Montgomery is going from the Detroit Lions to the Houston Texans. The Houston Texans also send Titus Howard to the Browns. Titus Howard the offensive lineman who's played guard, who's played right tackle. We'll take these two moves separately, but I did want to just say kind of there are two Texans moves.

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Speaker 2: Now, the David Montgomery trade terms.

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Speaker 1: The Lions get a fourth, a late fourth, a seventh, and strut j Just Scruggs, who was a second round pick three years ago. I don't know if he was a lock to make the Texans, der if he's totally a lock to make the Detroit Lions, who he's now traded to. I'm gonna take the risk and throw this to Patrick Claybahn and hope that the tour is over. Are they still in the room, because when this trade happened, Patrick my Son celebrated a Texans fan like they and a huge David Montgomery fan like they just won the Super Bowl. He ran around, he screamed and yelled, did you have as much enthusiasm? Do you think it'll help the Texans that much?

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Speaker 5: Yes, confirmed as I unmuted, and yes, Sarah Rale's are you know esteemed director was giving a tour because everybody's got, you know, multiple facets here, everybody does multiple things. And they came through, they got out, they got out pucket clean.

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Speaker 1: I mean the NFL like we don't make enough money on these deals. It's the tour money that actually really locks it in. I guess that's maybe going straight to so far if we really broke it down. But what do you think about this? I thought it was a lot for David Montgomery.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot for David Montgomery. David Montgomery's a good football player.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to see him in a nice landing spot where we're thinking about the Houston Texans, because initially the trade is Lions send David Montgomery to Houston, and it's like, Okay, that's interesting because we fought and we scratched and clawed to get the Texans to have some sort of sembilance of normal on the offensive line, and Titus Howard was a part of that at multiple positions. He missed two games combined in the last two years, and you find out that he's the guy that's going back, and you just want, like what the ultimate plan is, like what the run game is going to look like? Because Woody Marks kind of came on late. You get some more explosion with David Montgomery, but there's still like these lingering questions, like what is the ad now going to be upfront to facilitate David Montgomery playing well for the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's bizarre. So Titus Howard is going to the Browns. That one happened first, and you thought, okay, that's interesting for a fifth round pick, and then you hear Ali that David Montgomery is going to the Texans for a fifth round pick.

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Speaker 2: Then thirty minutes later we.

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Speaker 1: Find out actually, David Montgomery's going to go for more than a fifth round pick. It's going to be a fourth, a seventh, and Juice scrugs. And when this happens, it's usually because a team out there in the wilderness saw the deal going down and contacts the team and says, actually, we could do better than that for you, and then the trade terms happen.

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Speaker 2: I think that is what happened here.

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Speaker 1: Who knows who that team you know stepping in was, but like, it is very confusing to me that the Texans get rid of a guy who I thought was coming off his best season and is getting big time money from the Browns and Titus Howard and then they hurt their offensive line in theory on a day where they helped to solve their running back problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very strange for the Texans. I think the second year in a row where they just move on from their most dependable offensive lineman after having a bad offensive line. It's just it seems like they are really comfortable each off season just completely resetting the old line and thinking you can figure out on the fly. And that plan has failed two years in a row. So I find that concerning even just going insane. We're going to trade some like legit assets, not huge assets, but legit assets for David Montgomery at twenty nine with fifteen hundred carries in his career. Oh and by the way, we've stripped our offensive lineback. The teams that would have been out there in the wilderness that you're talking about, Greg are probably teams who feel they are a complementary back, a one o two down back of game away from raising from maybe middling to open level of offense to push him to the next tier. I would guess that's just not where the Texans are at. They don't have the foundational pieces even really in place, I think to maximize Montgomery, and I just think Marx is frankly at this point you could say, over the next twelve months they bet an overall play.

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Speaker 1: Wow, but you need to I just was hoping that it would be like Kenneth Walker in Woody Marx or Travis Etn in Woody Marx, and you could get a little rejuvenated David Montgomery. I actually thought he looked pretty good last year despite the numbers. He's stayed consistent in general during his Detroit run. But this is going to be like a tougher place to run.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the contract's actually a plus. He's making six million dollars this season. I assume they're not going to renegotiate that, so that's a relatively low cost. If they looked at the market out there and thought Travis Etn was maybe going to cost too much, or they didn't want to get in the in the Kenneth Walker business.

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Speaker 2: Just I just wanted a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: But David Montgomery proved me wrong many years ago when I when I questioned the fact that him and Gibbs whether he would be that much of an upgrade off their previous regime.

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Speaker 2: And they proved to be like the best one two punch in the league.

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Speaker 1: I do like, just from a fantasy angle too, Patrick that like when Dan Campbell took over play calling, I felt like the biggest thing he did was like, let's just give Jamir Gibbs all the touches that David Montgomery used to get, and Jamir Gibbs just went absolutely nuclear the rest of the year. So like more Jamiir Gibbs as they're about to pay him a lot of money also makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense.

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Speaker 5: The question is do do you want to give Jamiir Gibbs that volume of carries? Obviously I think they were at their best when there when they're sharing carries, and you know, Jamiirk has has that opportunity to get those breaks, to provide that explosion that makes him so valuable. Where you hope the Lions aren't saying, well, now that we were going to pay Jamir, it's just gonna we're gonna grind him into pace. That's not what I want to say, because I want obviously the single fantasy season, right, we all enjoy it. I would like six, seven, eight more years of Jamier game. So it's one of those give and tape type of things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tricky too, I do. I just want to see what's behind door number two. It just feels like a really big push year for the Texans. They also have some big contracts that they have to give out will Anderson. That deal is coming soon, but I'm just curious what's going to be behind door number two in terms of this offensive line build. Maybe they're close to a deal with that Ingram who was pretty good for them last year and as a free agent guard. Maybe, as our friend Steve Palizolo speculated, like, is it Trent Williams like level trade coming for Houston where they go crazy.

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Speaker 2: Like all of these moves at this.

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Speaker 1: Time of year, you kind of have to wait to see, Like the final piece. I want to see the final terms on this Titus Howard contract for the Browns because supposedly it's a three year, sixty million dollar extension twenty million dollars a year for Titus Howard, but it's an extension, Like how much of that is guaranteed? Most likely it's really like a two year deal. It's an extension. So without knowing the details, we don't know. But we went into this offseason ali the Cleveland Browns and Andrew Berry needed five starting offensive lineman. They have one, and he can play multiple positions, so four to go.

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Speaker 2: Let's go Browns.

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Speaker 4: The money will be interesting, I think because they put themselves over the barrel by having five spots to fill. He can fill multiple spots. That's I think the beauty of trading for Titus out is he can play right tackle, right, god, left God has played all three in the past season. And I think it's just a dependable one on one player. Not a star, not a grinder in the run game, but probably an upgrade in terms of just reliability snap to snap on a lot of the guys they've had in recent seasons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes with these running backs too, you get a little pop, you're in a new spot. I'm not saying he wasn't like doing his best for Detroit, but it wouldn't surprise me if we see like the very best of David Montgomery for one more season, like a James to Arizona type of year, and that this reflects fine in the long run. All right, let's move on. Juwan Taylor is an ex Kansas City chief. We thought that this was gonna happen. They could save twenty million dollars against the cap for what I would call a mediocre starting tackle and a guy who ultimately wasn't worth the money for them and wasn't really that great a move for them. We'll save we'll put a pin in that because I know you have some chiefs. Talk later when we asked some big questions, Ali, the Bengals resigned Dalton Reisner for five million dollars.

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Speaker 2: That's good business.

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Speaker 1: I think a one year deal for Dalton Reisner, who played pretty well for them last year. Don't even let him get the free agency that was a big concern for them. And then though the one just little speculation article, I just wanted to hit you guys on that I liked because there's a lot of just buzz happening right now. But I liked from sn Y in New York that the Giants are reportedly ready to make a big push for Kenneth Walker and we might as well start our segment now because I don't see any other like hard news is out there. And one of my questions was going to be, like where does Kenneth Walker land? Because I'm a simple man. I look at the big shiny objects. If you have a Super Bowl MVP, like a raining Super Bowl MVP available in free agency, that can change. That's one of the most exciting players to watch in the league. Like I am fascinated by where he is going to go. The Giants would be a curveball. They obviously have Cam Skataboo, but he's coming off a major injury, so that just like, lets you know, maybe Patrick how they are thinking, So, what do you think about ken.

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Speaker 2: Walker to the Giants?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you have any just in general ken Walker destination thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I have some too, But why don't you get us started?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I like Kenneth Walker to the Giants. I think that's fun.

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Speaker 5: I think he's been able to He's shown that he can have success on the biggest stages, which is why it's very important that he plays in New York City or at least adjacent over there in New Jersey where the pressure is so much. I'm being facetious think he could be successful as a runner there because the play style is really just something that can translate. I think the frustration, right at least, the frustration that from the outside looking in was Kenneth Walker isn't necessarily always going to get all the yards that are blocked.

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Speaker 3: He tries to hit these home runs.

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Speaker 5: Well, he stepped to the plate and he hit him late and down the stretch and in the Super Bowl, and this is a guy who can have success. I question, you know, the way things could look in New York. But then I think about, how are they going to deploy Jackson Dart. Is this full on Dart in yolo mode where he's putting himself at risk and they're going to have a lot of readoption. Well, yeah, I think Kenneth Walker could be great there. You know, is that something that you know coach Harball is going to want to do with his second year quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I think that remains to be seen.

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Speaker 5: He was blessed to have a quarterback was very gifted at protecting himself in that situation, and we go to the exact opposite there.

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Speaker 3: So I think we will see Dart run.

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Speaker 5: How much they are going to do it and can they use Kenneth Walker in that capacity remains to be seen.

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Speaker 4: I would really like to see ken Walker with the charges. I think that would be maybe the most exciting spot you butt in with the mad, crazy inventive guy with m McDaniel. You if you're going to try and rebuild the offensive line, I would way rather bet on ken Walker and we can turn bad block stuff into amazing plays, even if he blows a few of the better more creative stuff. As Patrick mentioned, he does leave some stuff on the table. I'd rather do that than try and go to the top end of the market for title Lindabaum, which is kind of how they're looking at. We could completely reorient the wrong game. I'd rather just say, let's get combatant to solid, maybe slightly blarvage starts as let's bet on ken Walker bring a real jolt of electricity to the backfield and have everyone in a complete panic about is it just an urbit in the drop back game or it might McDaniel and the Wizardry in the wrong game with ken Walker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, top my top one O one selections have gotten a lot of people like when you hear certain buzz over the last week or two, you feel better about summering and you feel worse about others. I feel good about where I put Zion Johnson in the top thirty because if nothing else, I think NFL.

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Speaker 2: Teams are going to agree.

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Speaker 1: Even if he's not a complete player, it sounds like he is gonna get a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's from the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: So if he leaves and they cut Makai Beckton, they would have three interior line spots to fill. They're kind of like where the Bears were last year. They have a ton of gap space. They're fascinating. I didn't think of them for Walker. That's a great shout out. I think Kansas City would be fun. I think Kansas City has been tied to Travis Cten. Some sort of home run header for Kansas City would be fun. Denver would be fun. And then other ones that just make sense to me, of like teams that would actually spend the money it's going to cost. And it sounds like Seattle saw what Kenneth Walker's price tag was gonna be and was like, Wow, I don't think we can handle this. Washington has so much cap space, and I just.

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Speaker 2: Feel like I could.

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Speaker 1: I could see them going for Kenneth Walker, And even though it doesn't really make Saints for the Saints, it just seems like a Saints type of move. I could just absolutely I don't want for Kenneth Walker, but I could see him.

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Speaker 2: In New Orleans. Washington fascinates me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who do you like out of those possible destinations the most, Patrick before I like.

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Speaker 3: I think Washington sounds good.

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Speaker 5: I like the idea of Kenneth Walker being able to get the ball in space with a quarterback that can create and get him those that aren't necessarily drawn up and schemed up.

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Speaker 3: That's the most readily accessible thing in my mind. And I think, you know, a healthy Jane Daniels is going to be able to But also I do think watching him in shut play Greg would be fun. You know, we you know, in a Saints team that's in contention in the division. It's not like you're it feels like you've had to apologize to Mickey or felt like pushed towards the Mickey and now you're running counter to the operation. But that that could be fun. It's okay to feel like that would be fun.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that that would be fun. That would be fun.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know. I hate the fact that it probably means the end for Alvin Kamara.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They just gave him an extension a year ago, so then they take a cap Hick. Could he just be the backup? I guess that could be fine. All right, Let's move on. Let's move on to our segment, Our questions. Our big questions post combine is this can be almost anything, but it's it's looking ahead mostly to free agency and this offseason, maybe how the combine impacted that we could have some draft stuff in here. But as we set the table, I just see so much cap space, and I see so many teams that I think are gonna have to be ultra aggressive. And I think these trades on Monday, like a week before the tampering window opens, are a sign that we're just gonna have a ton of trades because it it just makes more sense to improve your team that way when there's only so many good free agents out there. Ali, what is your first question you want to throw out?

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Speaker 4: My number one is how will the Chiefs replenish their offense, both in maybe trying to find another rotational piece along the offensive line, but then trying to chase fileworks. I think that they're in this really unusual respo for a team who can say themselves in the mid dynasty portion to wind up with a top ten pig in the middle of mahomes is prime. They probably never thought they would get that. They probably don't think they'll ever be in that situation again. And if you just look through the draft board and how it's falling, you can go through the three Ohio State guys, Mendoza, one or both of David Bailey or Ruben Bain, and you start knocking out who could go, and you quickly get to a short list of Jeremiah Love whether he goes early or not, Kenyon Sadik whether he goes early or not, Carnell Tate who could also go higher, or one of Baine or Bailey. So one of those four guys is likely going to be available to them, And I just wonder how all in they are and saying, let's go chase fireworks in the offseason. We don't have reliability or receiver, our tight tenders, aging, our running back room stinks. Let's go and chase the through the roof prospect on the offensive side.

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Speaker 2: Of the ball. I love that, but I hate that.

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Speaker 1: You know, free agency comes first, so it's kind of like they're gonna have to prioritize, like where they see value most and where they think they can get affordable firepower in free agency. And if that's Travis Etn now, then that kind of crosses off Jeremiah Love, you would assume, but this is such a rare opportunity to have that draftic And yet I can't think of a real analog for where they're at right now, because because they have Patrick Mahomes, they're always going to be in the middle of their championship window.

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Speaker 2: And yet man, they have so many needs. I think on this roster.

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Speaker 1: They have some really great players too, like outside of Mahomes in Creed Humphrey and like, you have a handful, but they have so many needs Patrick, like wit like because the defense just didn't have like.

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Speaker 2: A lot of juice last year.

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Speaker 1: And they have so many of my top one to one free agents that are out there, Jalen Watson Cook obviously at safety. Leo Chanel is a free agent. They just cut Jewan Taylor, which I think made sense, but that opens up another spot. Travis Kelcey is getting older, is rare. She Rice is gonna be available. It's just it's just like so much stuff. It's really putting the onus on Brett Veach and Andy Reid to kind of like do it again. And it's the hardest part of being great.

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Speaker 2: In the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And what makes that considerably harder is we expect Mahomes to just come back and carry it, but it's it's going to take time for him.

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Speaker 3: To be that that version of Patrick.

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Speaker 5: Mahomes which was the most dangerous runner, like even late light later stage, Patrick Mahomes was the most dangerous runner on this team. Where if it's if it's not etn if it's if it's not love, like what are they going to do? Like you can't bring this version of Kareem Hunt and have like Isaiah Pacheco, clearly isn't it?

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Speaker 3: So there has to be some sort of love's.

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Speaker 2: Not getting past the Saints. I don't think, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I guess you don't know, though you're right, it's a good top ten, it's a good year to be ninth, because it feels like tell me if I'm wrong, Ali, But it feels like I don't know, there's a there's like a there are there are a bunch of good like it's a good top of the draft, and yet then aft it feels like you don't want to be fifteen in this draft or something great.

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Speaker 4: No, that's right, there's like a really like ballooned middle class where from And this happens almost in most draft cycles, particularly when you get the best players being able to consider the non premium positions and elite just can't help themselves because they consider off ball linebacker or move defensive piece of non premium as they pass on Kyle Hamilton and Brian Branch and on and on down the list you go. So if styles and of our RecA going to go as early as we expect, then yeah, and the two tackles, one of the top tackles is probably going to go in there. Because the league can't help itself, you suddenly will start getting to will the Chiefs have a cracker either love or Sidik. But yeah, you're right, I think from sixteen to forty four it's pretty much a wash. There's a lot of like rotational pass rushes, do we love them? Don't we love them? Receivers who fit certain body types and certain skill sets. So it's kind of I have behold a bipositional tip for a good round and a half.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's somebody, somebody's there, Like you mentioned that, the litany of needs and just how it can imback Kansas City, somebody's gonna be there at nine. They could conceivable could just go BPA, which is what everybody you know in theory should be doing. But they really can make a case.

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Speaker 4: For they could do that Patrick can I agree on the needs, but wouldn't you if you're in the aposition, just say we have to chase blue chip at premium position. I know I just made fun of premium positions, but how often are they going to be in a position to draft someone if he's there, someone like David Bailey with that level of first step quickness. I really would if I was them to circle like four positions and say, let's just go shoot for the moon. We're not going to be here very often. We can go into free ty to find, you know, volatile cornerbacks who may have a career year with us for one year, then we move on from the following year. That's how I think I would approach if I was there.

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Speaker 5: They've got the blue tip player at the premium position, that's true, you're good in that capacity. I just there's there's a lot of talent that they're going to lose here in the next three to four years, where like folks on position seems like hustling backwards.

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Speaker 1: And they got a premium player we think at a premium position at the end of the first round last year, and in Josh Simmons, who you know, they are going to feel great about.

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Speaker 2: Moving forward quickly? Who's the quarterback you want?

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Speaker 1: Though, because of all these chiefs questions we just brought up, like who is starting for them week one hasn't even come up. I have now settled on I want it to be Kirk's landing spot. I don't know if that's gonna work out. It's it seems insane, but I think that's like a perfect like, actually, Kirk, go win you some games for four or five weeks and then he's just like having fun.

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Speaker 2: As Patrick Mahomes' backup. I don't know if you're going to do better than that.

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Speaker 4: I think it has to be Malcus Mariota. I think he's exactly what they want and will be efficient and stable enough and you may not win you the game, but he's not gonna throw the game away for you. And Cook probably I think has like two throzen him to maybe one we actually get you the game that you don't expect to get, but not much more than I think Cook's gonna want to have a real shit ought to be a start to someone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a real strike to my theory that Marcus Mariota is actually Alex Smith in a Silicon mask where it would just it makes too much sense for that. But I've been saying Kyler Murray for months now, you know, just in the capacity of, yeah, there may be more money somewhere else, but Kyler could just you know, throw up a middle finger to the establishment and play play for the empire.

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Speaker 2: That would be incredible. All right, Patrick, your first big question here.

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Speaker 5: So first big question looking through playoff teams and near playoff teams, trying to divide them up into who is simply trying to maintain like the Seattle Seahawks where they're you know, facing big departures at cornerback and wide receiver, potentially you know, the Rams trying.

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Speaker 3: To just keep on to this last few years.

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Speaker 5: Or however long it's going to be a Matthew Stafford, and you kind of try to put the Eagles there, knowing their capacity to do so. And then the teams that are pushing, pushing towards building off of what they accomplished, like the Chicago Bears, the Patriots, the forty nine ers, potentially the Chargers having that opportunity. And then I got to the Buffalo Bills and I looked at they're you know, drafting at twenty six. The cap space an issue. They do have change in the area, but it's a part of the previous regime. Are the Buffalo Bills maintaining or are they pushing right now?

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Speaker 1: They're I think they're they're pushing why while remodeling, which is it's not impossible to do. But I think the defense is going to change dramatically and they don't have as much flexibility, I don't think as they want. It'll be interesting to see, like how they create cap space because they have negative cap space right now, but how can you have to look at it as a two to three year process. But maybe they're in a little bit of a spot where the Rams and forty nine ers worse. For instance, going into the Rams going into twenty three are the forty nine ers going into lat LST season, where like, yeah, it feels like it's a step back, but it really like shouldn't be.

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Speaker 2: When you have Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: If you can make enough moves around the margins this year, you can be creative. They're gonna have to hit on a lot of like mid tier guys that are gonna have big roles for them. So Brandon Bean like he kept that job Ali and like it is probably the most challenging offseason that he's ever had.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it is a two to three year process. When you have Josh Allen, you either have a parade or you failed. I mean, that's just the reality of the world they live in. And it's what's tricky I think for being particularly is they need to completely remodel the defense in terms of the kind of archetypes of players they have for the new scheme that they're going to run. And then on offense, they still have to do the cosmetic surgery, figure out which lineman they're bringing back while they're doing good receiver all that kind of stuff, So that there's just more on the plate than I think you would expect. As Patrick said, when you walking with starting healthy in Week one, one of the two best quarterbacks in the NFL and feeling like we have maybe twelve to fifty moves we have to nail to really feel good about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's hard because they have a ton of free agents that I think they're gonna say goodbye to that have been around there for a while, like guys like Matt mllano, Guys they brought back to like Gerdevius White and Jordan Poyer, which I don't think will hurt as much. Joey Bosa, I don't think is gonna be back there, and you're hearing like, Okay, maybe they might be in the Shahed sweep stakes, or they might get in on some of these receivers. And it does just feel like a situation where the salary cap is somewhat real, not in the sense that they can't it couldn't figure it out to fit everyone in, but that there's just so many more teams with more resources that are gonna go over the top for these premium pass catchers or pass rushers, where like, I don't see it when when people are trying to think like maybe they're at Trey Hendricksons team, like, I don't think they're gonna get have a chance to go that big.

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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna have to look at ether a guy on a rookie contract still, whether it's like a Brian Thomas Stutiny just blows someone out the wall, that's go and do that. Oh you try and chase as stressed asset and hope it's improved. Where it's Jordannadis and someone like that can you steal someone away cheaply? You put the way Josh Allen, everyone has a party, but there's just a lot of work to do without much maneuverability.

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Speaker 5: And in terms of making the maneuvers, because we've seen if you want to go like with a parallel with Adam Peters coming from the West coast to the East coast, and then you saw the sequence of events that led to forty nine ers coming to Washington. Where you wonder, like these partnerships are operating across the league, like we have tree proliferation as well as like these front office relationships, where where is where's that coming?

00:27:37
Speaker 3: For Brandon Bean?

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Speaker 2: Carolina has been? Where it has been coming?

00:27:41
Speaker 3: Is it still?

00:27:42
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know.

00:27:43
Speaker 5: There's been so much turnover now, like where is the influx of this of this capacity of needs before free agency starts? Like when do these conversations and how that they happen? And you start to wonder like, oh no, Like this feels like it's going in a difficult spot, even more difficult than I initially thought.

00:28:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm such a whim because we were been pretty hard on Brandon Bean in this podcast, but then we have him on as a guest and it's all just you know, playing footsy. Meanwhile, I got Eric probably in the background wondering, like you can you ask him why this man has helped to ruin my my January is the last handful of years. He is really up against it. Let's take a break on the other side. I mentioned Max Crosby quickly, that's a big question for me.

00:28:27
Speaker 2: Let's talk about where his market maybe.

00:28:37
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, I mentioned Max Crosby the fact that trade terms got out there to Pro Football talk in terms of them wanting to first at a player. The more I thought about, the more I thought, okay, well that's a starting point and that's what that's what shook reminded me. On Sunday Night's podcast, and that's an indication of a willingness to actually trade. Then on Monday More Learning, Albert Breer throws out casually that he thinks this deal can and it sounded like probably will happen. He thinks it could happen this week. That it's very sensitive all around because Max Crosby doesn't want to be seen to be wanting out. Mark Davis doesn't want to be seen to wanting to trade their best player. There actually is a lot of mutual I think appreciation and land. If he stays there, it's not the end of the world, but in terms of their team build and where he's at in his age, it might make sense and he could join a team that's more ready to win. And then Breer has a list of spicy teams that are monitoring the situation, that are engaging with the situation. I love this list. The Dallas Cowboys, the Chicago Bears, the Baltimore Ravens, the Buffalo Bills, the Patriots, the Eagles, and the Rams. The last one really stuck stuck out to me as like man, I could see the Rams doing something like this for the right price.

00:30:05
Speaker 2: Where are you at, Ali?

00:30:06
Speaker 1: In terms of thinking, if Crasby would get traded and who strikes your fancy out of that list, he is going.

00:30:13
Speaker 4: To get traded. The price I had heard was a first, a third and a quality player, And I think the books are sitting right there with an off roll first, a third on one of either Luke Gadeki or Elijah Kantzi, which will I think just cross the threshold for it to be a third. It is a lot, but trades hut if you wanted to acquire a player like Max Crosby right at the fringe of his prime, You've got to go and give up some assets that you don't really want to do. It's got to hurt you too, So I think that's kind of the asking price. And if you look at the other teams outside the Rams who have kind of that spare first round pick, they wouldn't have been necessarily expecting to have in that range. It's hard to find a comparative player to someone like a Godeci and Cancy at that age with that talent, where then it does become two ones and a three, And that just feels really rich for a bunch of teams on that list, particularly someone like Thets. You've had so many misses in the draft. The uscon bring in over expensive veteran and give up that kind of future capital. I think so the Books to me feels like the easiest lending spot for everyone involved.

00:31:11
Speaker 1: There's also the spy tech connection with the Bucks, and Patrick was just talking about it with the Bills and that that is how a lot of deals do get done.

00:31:20
Speaker 2: I think you're right.

00:31:21
Speaker 1: The Bills to me seem like such a long shot for because of the reasons we just talked about. The Patriots and Eagles actually don't make sense to me for where they're at in terms of, you know, wanting to give up all those picks and in the money, the Bears are a little up against it. It's not what the Ravens typically do, although I think it would be fun. The Cowboys actually, of those teams in the Rams probably make the most sense in terms of the ones that the Brier mentioned. But you made a convincing case. And as as much as Patrick like I appreciated Max Crosby making like the Monday Night Week fourteen like Raiders recap that they got in like more watchable and more like I I kind of want him in.

00:32:04
Speaker 2: A better and a better home and a better on a better team.

00:32:06
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:32:07
Speaker 5: And I think despite you know, the the the alleged you know, protesting from from Max Crosby, I think he would like to be in a place where he's he's able to win.

00:32:17
Speaker 3: You know, you look at.

00:32:18
Speaker 5: Some of these players, uh, and the marketing is a big part of it, and you have to market yourself as as a guy who you know is working harder.

00:32:25
Speaker 3: Max Crosby is an incredible athlete.

00:32:26
Speaker 5: He's one of the more gifted athletes in the NFL, and you know, they treat a lot of people will attribute the volume of plays because there was a couple of year span there where he just never came off the field.

00:32:39
Speaker 3: You know, it became.

00:32:41
Speaker 5: Essentially worthless to continue that, uh, in a in a lost season in Las Vegas. But you just don't do the things that Max Crosby can do with without being incredibly gifted.

00:32:52
Speaker 3: But you know, to to keep that up, to keep up the appearances.

00:32:55
Speaker 5: It's you know, you know, I just want to control what I could control and come in here and and lunch pail. These conversations about a trader are also going to involve a deal, and so the trade partner to me has to be a team that can make that that LU could have offered long term, because like trading for Max Crosby a first plus on some kind of win now thing. Yeah, it may be an interesting idea for Max, but.

00:33:23
Speaker 2: I don't like that deal for the Bucks.

00:33:25
Speaker 1: I mean, Getticky or Chancey are good players. Uh, I'd feel a little uncomfortable about two picks, two pretty good picks, especially a first and a good player. And if you got me to like a second, a third and one of those like but it's a lot, but I know, I know it's gonna cost a lot. I also know Max Crosby is like ridiculously good.

00:33:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's pretty dominant, And I think the books are particularly in a strange window in which this could be the final year for everyone in town, and so there's a real pressure they have been desperate for pastor as she help of just can we find a one on one winner. I think desperation breeds changing your asking price from a second and a third two. Let's just do the one and bleep it and go all in. At least we'll line up with Max Crosby to open week one. And I think losing goodeck you, I think is one of the better right tacks league would be a silly move to make. But once you start feeling that desperation, you feel like you can internally develop talent, then you could maybe talk yourself into it. And you've got spy tech, your buddy, you're having this. You're on the phone, and he sounds convincing you of it. It's good for everyone, buddy, Let's get this thing done. I could see why Jason Light would would do it that maybe wake up with a hangover with a couple of regrets the next day.

00:34:34
Speaker 5: Obviously there's there's tiers between, but I think if you can try to consider like is they're a cave On Thibodeau type option for you, Like that allows you to improve your pass rush in certain capacity without limiting other aspects of the team long term, maybe that makes a little more sense.

00:34:53
Speaker 2: That would be fun. And they also have to consider the Steven factor.

00:34:56
Speaker 1: A lot of people who listen to NFL daily are saying that at John Spytech the GM's mentioning of my friend slash trainer Steven is becoming the best annual bit on the show. And I think trading Max Crosby would be tough for the Raider Nation and for Steven out there. All right, Ali, all right, we should pick up the pace, get through as many questions as we can.

00:35:16
Speaker 2: What do you got?

00:35:17
Speaker 4: What is the Vikings planet?

00:35:19
Speaker 2: Quote to back?

00:35:19
Speaker 4: Do we have any ideas? Does the stuff not like JJ McCarthy. Are they going to go into freeency? Is it Cook? Is it Gino? Is it Kyl or is it to it? They're gonna call Derek kuh They're gonna trade for a ton of McKee. What is the plan?

00:35:30
Speaker 2: I am.

00:35:31
Speaker 1: I am all in on the Gino resurrection two point zero. Let's let's make this happen. But the only thing I feel confident about in that entire question there is that they do not believe in JJ McCarthy. Like I think there is a greater chance that JJ McCarthy is not on their roster in week one than there is that he starts week one.

00:35:52
Speaker 2: Do you think that's crazy?

00:35:54
Speaker 5: It's it feels borderline excessive, Like I mean, not to you know, jump back on the bills thing, but the amount of conversation about you know, their you know, early round receiver, earlier round receiver that wasn't panning out, and he's like the most hated man from the front off I like JJ McCarthy and the not so secret whisper campaign against JJ McCarthy out of Minneapolis maybe even more fervent than any conversation.

00:36:22
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's fair.

00:36:23
Speaker 1: I'm just saying for him to start week one, I think the injury, and an injury needs to happen for the guy that they want to start week one, like it's going to need to happen because I don't think they are going to want JJ McCarthy, and then I could absolutely see him going in the next week or two in a trade, or if things are going well enough in August that he goes in a trade.

00:36:44
Speaker 4: In like in August, I think they have to be the from runners for Anthony Richison, right, So you can't move on from JJ McCarthy if you bring in Anthony Richton, if you're concerned about the health and well being of the guy you really want to consider starting come week one, and that might be the most combustible quarterback room in terms of.

00:37:02
Speaker 1: Way which Richardson would be the backup in that scenario.

00:37:05
Speaker 4: I think you would bring him in hoping we're going to try and start Anthony Rickson. We think we can tap into all the potential that's still pretty volatile JJ. I agree with you on the dislike of JJ. I think when your whole kind of philosophy from when you wake up in the morning to go to sleep, as Kevin O'Connell does, is about attacking the middle of the field in football and waste to kind of rip apart the middle of the field shell. And you have a quarterback in which by a week two you're saying, we can't do this stuff. Let's remove everything from the playboat that I've spent my lifetime building. I think it can get pretty corrosive. Then there's the behind the scenes talk too, So I agree with you that he's not going to start. It's just what is the break point? Is it Kirk on a cheap contract? Is it betting on Kyler where you would have similar issues for building the offense? Did you do with JJ McCarthy. I have a hard time thinking they'll just completely bail on.

00:37:49
Speaker 3: Him being on the roster.

00:37:50
Speaker 5: I'm drawing a hard line at no matter what happens, at at least nine years starting experience in the NFL to play for Kevin O'Connell in the Minnesota Viking. It's like, at this point, I don't want to see another like, oh, they're investing in this quarterback because if you go from McCarthy to Anthony Richardson and it could we could be in a similar situation and now another like you know, sacrificial GM is on the way out to you know, become and went with the wrong guy.

00:38:18
Speaker 4: Like could I could I at least interest you in a package off Kirk plus Richardson steady hand get through the first couple weeks, and then behind the scenes they've been working with Anthony Richon and now hey comes the Renaissance.

00:38:28
Speaker 3: It's got to be Vets.

00:38:30
Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take that and make it Gino and Anthony Richardson. But yeah, I think Kirk, Yeah, they laid it out, you know, Dan Graziano and Jeremy Fowler where they they made it really sound like and I suspect you can kind of get a feel of like, all right, what's real, what's not. I suspect they got a line and hear that they're tiers where Kyler and Gino is Tier one for like the old guy, and then Tier two were like was like Cousins and maybe Rogers if for some reason he shut you know, shook looser, Flacco even and Tier three is like Richardson. But in that scenario, I think, like, yeah, I think they're getting rid of JJ McCarthy because I don't think they could see Anthony Richardson as a potential starter. Because if you're gonna do that, you're trying to you're trying to win. Now, all right, let's let's keep asking questions. That was a great one though, Patrick, You're up all right?

00:39:23
Speaker 5: Is a released Kyler Murray scenario going to absolutely ruin the market for Malik Willis and force Malik Willis to go to a team that's actually good.

00:39:32
Speaker 3: Well he's not getting paid what he should be.

00:39:36
Speaker 4: Uh I, I don't buy it. I think that the family guy thing with the there is anything in the box. It could even be a boat or whatever applies to Malik Willis that you can talk yourself into this untapped franchise potential that Greg's spoken about.

00:39:49
Speaker 3: Well.

00:39:49
Speaker 4: With Kyler, I think teams will feel pretty complete on who he is as a player, and it's kind of where they're in that kind of development act that if they want to maybe hang around, win nine games, maybe squeak out a division and a bad division, they'll bring Caler on board. But if the for the moon or it's a rebuild the Vikings being a good example, if it's the Dolphins or Coddles, these teams who in not rebuild states, and you want to shoot for the moon with Malik Willison, then figure the rest out later.

00:40:15
Speaker 2: I think so.

00:40:16
Speaker 1: On one hand, I feel like the regular season is just like a sprint, literally two weeks removed from being in Santa Clara for the Super Bowl.

00:40:24
Speaker 2: I was already in Indianapolis.

00:40:25
Speaker 1: And now like most of free agency will be done, what about ten days from now, like it'll basically be over. And yet despite that short timeline, I feel like the Malik willis like stock. I'm now a little worried, like who is the team that's actually going to give him the big money. I think he's going to have a plenty good market. Patrick to kind of answer that question, and I think he'll have a better market than Kyler.

00:40:53
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't surprise me either.

00:40:55
Speaker 1: And you know, it doesn't matter to me that much whether he gets thirty seven million dollars a year twenty two million dollars a year. But he might settle in like a little justin closer to somewhere between Justin Fields and maybe Gino's contract of last year, and it might be closer to the Fields portion, because I guess I'm not if Miami isn't going big money wise on them, and maybe they're just staying quiet. But then I'm not sure who Will Arizona is to me the most likely and it makes the most sense to me. I don't know, he's got to he's gotta be playing football this year. I feel pretty good that he's he's going to be a Week one starter, which is all I really want to see.

00:41:33
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, with the proliferation of the tree, there's a lot of places where he could go. I know we've talked about Kirk Cousins in one spot, Michael Pennix Junior coming back from another injury.

00:41:44
Speaker 3: You know, I think that would be a fun circumstance.

00:41:47
Speaker 1: We're hearing Jimmy g as the potential starter for Mike Lafleur in Arizona.

00:41:53
Speaker 3: Can we discuss this? Greg?

00:41:54
Speaker 1: Why you can discuss whatever you want? I mean, Ali just covered his face.

00:41:59
Speaker 4: Lafleura hockey, Garoppolo brain trust leading you into Week one?

00:42:04
Speaker 5: Because if if we've like that, if there are geno skeptics out there, like significant geno skeptics, which with good reason, because like a morose season in Las Vegas should be deleterious to your long term viability, then are we forgetting the Garoppolo experience where DeVante was screaming on the sideline on Netflix that get them out of here before he's dead?

00:42:26
Speaker 1: I agree, and I've been heartened that, like in that ESPN article that like, there's actually some time well people thought Gino, which I agree with, was as terrible as it was last year. The situation was so bad and if you if you watched it, like he's turning thirty six years old this year, but that I actually get the feeling that Gino might be atop this sort of reclamation project pile and might have a decent market if they're assuming the Raiders do cut them and don't find a trade for him.

00:42:57
Speaker 4: I love Gino as much as anyone, maybe not as much as you, dude, that that is such shameful, either analysis or agent Tolk to pretend like last year was not as bad as it was. He was awful lest season. You couldn't see the field. He just threw the ball up in Hope. I know he was worried about getting hit. And I'm not a huge Kyler Murray Believa as maybe as a breach started, but to not have Kyla, given what he's capable of, ahead of GENA Smith, would just be a dereliction of executive judy.

00:43:22
Speaker 1: I think they're I think they're both going to be starting week one, but I appreciate having a different viewpoint because I think that's healthy on this show. The forty nine ers are a team I just wanted to bring up, like what's their big move they If I had to rank like the most fascinating teams this offseason, they are right near the top.

00:43:41
Speaker 2: I just think they're.

00:43:43
Speaker 1: They're always in the mix, but they've gotten close so many times. John Lynch was reportedly close to retiring at one point. They have a ton of cap space. They also have Trent Williams, Fred Warner, and Nick Bosa kind of nearer. You know, I'm not saying Fred Warners near the end of his career, but these are highly paid players who have had injuries, who have been out, and it just feels like you have the two best goliaths in your own division and like it's go time. This is a team that's been ultra aggressive over the years, and it's just a thought exercise of like, what's their ultra aggressive move.

00:44:21
Speaker 2: Could it be? Could it be Hendrickson.

00:44:23
Speaker 1: I don't think John Franklin Myers qualifies, but he's been connected to them. I've seen that could be part of a defensive line rebuild. Could they be a team that gets into the receiver market because they really need a wide receiver, whether that's like moving up in the draft or whether it's AJ Brown or DJ Moore. I'm just kind of fascinated by a team that is absolutely sick of not winning the Super Bowl essentially and feeling like, yeah, like let's freaking go this year. Like what are the forty nine ers going to do as their like big move. I'm not sure if either of you have any just like grand ideas of what you see.

00:44:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, the one thing I would I would call the Jets and now I try to talk them into the thirty third pick for Mac Jones. Then I would take that pick and I would package it all around and I would call everyone for the best players in the NFL. I would call about Max Crosby, which I think they're in for. I would call about Jalen Waddle and find out if the new infrastructure Miami is into Jalen Waddle. I would call about Brian Thomas Jr. I think that's the approach they should take, is if we're going to go onto a two year timeline, essentially having Mac Jones as a quality backup is awesome for us, But if we can look at this market where it's Gino and all these guys and teams talk themselves into the reclamation of having seen Sam Donald Baker and Daniel Jones and on down the line. What can we extract from Max Jones to then turn into either Crosby or Brian Thomas or a real blue chip player.

00:45:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, they just have to you know, obviously getting healthy is going to do a lot for the forty nineers, but they need to add depth at those spots where they had the concerns. Clearly Max Crosby does that in a certain capacity, But how long do they want to push this this version, like this particular window of the Warner, the Bosa Trent you know, you know if Trent alects to maintain uh you know, residents in Santa Clara.

00:46:14
Speaker 3: You know how long are we you know, more year?

00:46:18
Speaker 2: They're all coming back, So uh yeah, let's go.

00:46:21
Speaker 5: So then yeah go, but not not to stop it at rookies in draft picks like Ali said, uh, swing for fences, like have ETN backing up CMC, like can't get out there.

00:46:35
Speaker 1: Like they could be a Mike Evans team, they could be a Jalen Phillips team. There was reporting from the athletic that maybe the mac Jones market wasn't you know what what they hoped for.

00:46:46
Speaker 2: To me, it doesn't.

00:46:47
Speaker 1: I don't think mac Jones is going to have much of a market, just because I don't think there's enough of a difference between him and these other guys that were talking about that will just be free, freely available.

00:46:58
Speaker 4: But if you're swinging so Kevin O'Connell rady likes Mike Jones, you could turn it into Jordan Edison, and then maybe you don't want to get involved with the off the field stiff after all the receivers as if you've just dealt with, but you could give it a swing. You talked about big swings, like let's just do let's build a package. You send us a fourth or fifth round back, you send us Addison. Maybe he's now the team by week six. But the swinging gig, Greg, you asked us for big swings.

00:47:18
Speaker 1: Well, now, I appreciate that it would be delightful if they replaced the guy who did an instagram of like driving one hundred miles an hour past the stadium with another guy who's been arrested a couple of times for a drive.

00:47:33
Speaker 4: But you've added that with the signing of Mike Evans. All of a sudden, it's like, well, this is just kind of a moonshot if it goes well or not.

00:47:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really wanted to point them out, especially just as like, watch this space more. I don't know if you guys hear the police sirens in my background, but I guess they think it was a bad question. Just watch this space. I think they're going to be one of the main characters of the next couple of weeks. I'm not sure even who's up next. Let's go, Let's go, Ali.

00:48:00
Speaker 4: What is Trey Hendrickson's market. We've kind of talked about him in a couple of landing spots. The it feels like for a guy who was second in Defensive Player of the Year voting a year ago, it's not as though he's like the runaway favorite for a Monster contract. And it seems like the board is set where teams are going to try and trade for Max Crosby, or the teams who can't make that work are going to start looking at Trey Hendrickson or have to decide for one or the other. I wonder Greg, how you stack it up between trading multiple picks for Max Crosby versus Trey Hendrickson, who on a person app basic at least the last two seasons has been a pretty close facsimile of what Crosby gives you. I think Crosby is a better all around player by a decent distance, but pure pass rush, get off and go, it's pretty close, and the contracts are probably gonna wind up being somewhat similar.

00:48:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you won't even have to pay as much for Hendrickson in the end, like, not that much guaranteed money, certainly not past the year two, maybe not even a fully guaranteed to your contract. I think because of his agent coming off of an injured year, it's got to be something like two for fifty, two for sixty, like it'll be plenty.

00:49:04
Speaker 2: He'll do well. It's not going to be like a long term deal.

00:49:07
Speaker 1: But I'd always rather do that, and I think there are enough intriguing pass rushers at the top of this market. I know a Dafe Oway is not nearly the same player boy Mafe and Jalen Phillips is somewhere in between, but I'd still rather do that than give up big pick. So I don't think his market's going to be like quite as good people are going to be blown away when some of these offensive linemen get as much money as Trey Hendrickson.

00:49:31
Speaker 5: I think the positional value gets it to a place where if it's Buffalo and they've maneuvered enough to have some space teams that miss out on Max Crosby, like, it's a good backup option to have Trey Hendrickson being able to get out there. And I think I think you're north easily north of twenty. You know, they do all kinds of matt you know, lies with the ap wise, but we can get up north of twenty.

00:49:59
Speaker 4: To me, I guess it's whether he's confined to the tier of like the contenders who want to try and get an A plus player at healthy, or it's more of the middle band guys like the Bears, who are happy to overpay because they think it can push them into a different tier. And it feels to me like the conversations mostly around those the Niners, the Bills, can they maneuver a cap space to the Patriots consider themselves a legit force. And it's more as Greg saying that that kind of two year, fully guaranteed deal effectively as opposed to the middle band teams trying to jump to another level, whereas the books who I consider a middle band side are looking around.

00:50:34
Speaker 1: At someone like a Crosby right, or you know, the Chargers are of this team that's kind of sitting out there that have so much cap space. The Seahawks actually have a lot of cap space. More thinking good teams. Does he consider just taking the bag from like a team like the Titan too. I think are going to be spending a lot of money this offseason, Like there is a lot of a lot of cap space out there.

00:50:55
Speaker 2: All right, Patrick, you're up next.

00:50:57
Speaker 5: Okay, So going through the combine and checking backup on the guys that left off the screen Athletically, it's like, I gotta go watch the tape. I was charting ted Hurst and I just wrote ah with several exclamation points, where you have a six three and seven ace wide receiver with good hands, went down to mobile, excelled make great plays in practice. And then I'm watching the tape and it's Georgia State, so you're having to go through and try to find the players that he made plays against. I had to go all the way back to twenty twenty four when they played jmu. This is before D'Angelo Pond's transferred to Indiana where you would eventually win a national championship. He gets him in the corner of van zone and hands finishing after the catch. I'm all on board, and I just wonder with all of these receivers, you know, the value for free agents maybe kind of pulled back with all these guys you can get in the second and third round. So I feel like, you know, between Hurst being a really good player that could be going on a really good team and these free agent wide receivers, I think somebody is going to get some a real game changer at receiver either way.

00:52:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was a more shallow free agent receiver crop than normal. There's a few fun names at the top, and it falls off pretty hard. And whereas like the draft looks deeper in terms of rounds two and three guys. Yeah, big picture. Did what did you think, Alie about Hurst or the receivers? And we're kind of wrapping up here, so maybe any any players will wrap kind of with a discussion because I thought about this too, that that you thought really helped their draft stock over the last few days.

00:52:43
Speaker 4: Well, I love Ted Hurst, I'm so glad he's getting a shout out the silly and the process on NFL Daily. It's a great job by Patrick. I mean talk about size, speed, wait, everything vertical threat really smooth, not just an explosive up and down gully. The Tennessee people who get spat out every year into the draft. So I think he's gonna go far early than he's currently being projected. Guys who really help themselves. I think Dylan Fieneman and I know it's kind of still at the top end of the board. I think there's a chance here based on the safety class where we end up getting four guys going in the first round, more some of the hybrid slot safety types a bit in the Brian branch mold. But I think Fimon is gonna wind up going in the top fifteen, maybe even as high as ten. Gets tricky. That's so many of the pre im edge defenders are up there, and I think teams are jostling with how they actually see those guys. Where guy who's won on certain people's board, whether it's Bane or Bailey, are actually seventh on other teams board based on what they're looking for at the position, whereas it's pretty calcified. The downs is a start, and are we willing to kind of look past our prior to just go and take a great player as early as we can in the draft. And I think Men has a chance to be pretty special too. So those two I think will go really early. Then the Stokes at Arizona, who I think has a chance to be really great and he could sneak into the first round. And there's McNeil Warrant, a Toledo who didn't quite test as well I think people are expecting, but he's gonna have a chance to go in the fringe of round one two.

00:54:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's funny where would Nicky men Worry go in this draft? Because of the nick Dame and Worry effect, you know what I mean, Like he's made people want they're like, oh shoot, we shouldn't have let him go as far. And I know there were some, you know, questions about his college tape. But it's funny that he played so well that if he was in this draft, like, is he a better prospect than the Enemen? I don't know, like you would think right, or they're they're in the same ballpark.

00:54:34
Speaker 5: Well you can get into that range where I think the ability to put force into the ground and move at two oh five versus two fifteen, Like those ten pounds around that that two hundred pounds like those are a significant difference where you kind of have I Man Worry and Kyle Hamilton in this particular class of player where Downs, I think Downs or these are him in or these guys who have have more capacity to be deep into Like if you look at Tieneman's time at Purdue where he's playing more free safeties in the backfield, running around making plays back there.

00:55:09
Speaker 3: Where at Ohio State with the pass rush that they had to.

00:55:12
Speaker 5: Get a really good football player involved in the game, you had to have Downs more in the box. And it's like, well, Caleb Downs's box safety now, like I think he's better in the back end. So like you have these really good free safeties in this class versus I don't think there's an Emaun Warrior Kyle Hamilton here and those guys. It just may have to wait like every two or three years before you get a type of player like that where teams are going to try to force feed like we did for Randy Mawson, Calvin Johnson, Like anytime you had a tall, fast.

00:55:42
Speaker 3: Guys like, oh, that's this guy. No, those guys aren't around a lot.

00:55:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you said something interesting to me on text to Ali, which is that look Styles, Sunny Styles, like his workout was insane, but maybe the league, like I was thinking, does this make it so that he could be in that top five mix? And you thought, like the teams I think were there on him already, that there was disagreement maybe between David Bailey, RVL Reese Sonny Styles, but he was even though he's an off ball linebacker, he was already looked at a guy that could go as high as who knows, like as high as possible.

00:56:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, Patrick's right on those safety body types. Those guys come around once in a lifetime for a franchise. If you're lookie, maybe we'll get some more of them. Now there's like a prototype out there, but it's unlikely that guy is Sunny Styles. That is the guy with that size and those movement skills. You don't need a dime linebacker on the field. We just have Sonny Styles and he plays every down and he covers like Fred Warner. But he's got five inches and a bunch of pounds on him as well, So the combine for the teams, they've had all these measurements for as long as they want. They've also got them from the Senior Bowl. It's mostly crossofs. It's medical stuff. It's like one really bad meeting and they go back to the notes. Maybe there's some thresholds they have where they cross guys off, but they're crossing off and guys move up a few spots. They don't have the kind of media side jump, right. Guy goes from thirty sixth from that ball to eighteenth or something like that.

00:57:03
Speaker 2: So that's it for our big questions. We will have Patrick back later in the week.

00:57:09
Speaker 1: We will figure out when we got Ali back on the show, but I'm looking forward to it. We also have a couple live shows next week that we're getting excited for. I want to go live on YouTube Sunday night with Shook, so we're gonna work on that. But we are definitely going live during the week, including on Monday from the studio, the first day of the quote unquote legal tampering period, which is the busiest day of the entire offseason, so we will be live on the NFL Channel, which is the Fast Network, But we're trying to work on getting live on YouTube and we'll have all those shows out.

00:57:40
Speaker 2: I am really excited for that.

00:57:43
Speaker 1: One other just tiny news item that I wanted to mention is Donovan Eziraku had hip surgery and you know, may not be ready for training camp and that that's not an injury you want to see for literally anyone.

00:57:55
Speaker 2: And he had such a great end to his rookie year.

00:57:58
Speaker 1: And it gets to one question I left unasked today, which is like, what are the Cowboys going to do with all this cap space that they just freed up. It sounds like, actually the Cowboys are going to be pretty active. They need a lot of help on a lot of defensive positions, but we'll talk about that throughout the week. Let's hit the music. Let's get out of here. Sorry guys, Patrick, No more tourists came through the Stage five.

00:58:22
Speaker 5: By the way, we're also just me and this cutout at Scott Hanson.

00:58:25
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's stage four, Stage four, the Scott Hansen Studio.

00:58:29
Speaker 2: Thank you to Ali, Thank you to Patrick.

00:58:31
Speaker 1: We will be back in the feed on Tuesday with forties in Free Agents Meet and Daniel Jeremiah will see that