Braveheart vs Gladiator": Part 1

<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast,
<v Speaker 1>discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties
<v Speaker 1>and nineties pop culture with your co hosts James D.
<v Speaker 1>Graves and Jason Colvin.
<v Speaker 2>All Right, welcome everybody. I am William Wallace.
<v Speaker 3>And I am Jason Maximus Calvinists.
<v Speaker 2>Welcome everybody. We're going to talk today about Braveheart and Gladiator.
<v Speaker 3>These are great movies. I can't wait to get into these.
<v Speaker 3>These are Best picture winners.
<v Speaker 2>So join us as we dive in and enjoy the
<v Speaker 2>fight of the warriors. This is awesome.
<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to dive into what we're talking about today.
<v Speaker 2>I just realized we've been going on for episode after
<v Speaker 2>episode and we haven't talked about ourselves at all. Right,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't care about talking about myself, but
<v Speaker 2>I want you guys to meet my friend Jason Colvin,
<v Speaker 2>who is awesome in all kinds of ways. But to
<v Speaker 2>save time, I'll tell you one of those ways. Jason
<v Speaker 2>is the only guy who've ever met who can hear
<v Speaker 2>a song, and even if it's just a few notes,
<v Speaker 2>can say here's the song, here's the artist, and here's
<v Speaker 2>the year that it was released with almost one hundred
<v Speaker 2>percent accuracy. He's fantastic guy. Me and Casey Caseon. That's right, right,
<v Speaker 2>and I should limit just to keep him humble. This
<v Speaker 2>only applies to the years nineteen eighty two through the
<v Speaker 2>year's nineteen ninety eight.
<v Speaker 3>That is the truth. That is the truth. It's gotta
<v Speaker 3>be in my sweet spot. For those who don't know you,
<v Speaker 3>your name is James D. Grays, but you go by
<v Speaker 3>the name D.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I know you as D. It's okay if you
<v Speaker 2>call me James, but my friend and can we call
<v Speaker 2>you Jimmy. That's what my wife called.
<v Speaker 3>When she does that. It's so funny. And just to
<v Speaker 3>tell you a little bit about my friend D. D
<v Speaker 3>is a really bright guy, super super smart. When we're
<v Speaker 3>playing trivial Pursuit and I asked him a question, either
<v Speaker 3>I know it or I don't, there's no in between,
<v Speaker 3>and he walks down the hallways of his brain and
<v Speaker 3>he digs out more stuff and it always surprises me.
<v Speaker 3>It takes like thirty seconds and then he comes up
<v Speaker 3>with the right answer. So super bright guy and just
<v Speaker 3>a lot of fun I love D. He's one of
<v Speaker 3>my best buddies.
<v Speaker 2>Some guys have rooms in a mental mansion. I have
<v Speaker 2>little index cards and a mental rollodex that I have
<v Speaker 2>to flip through and either I have it or I
<v Speaker 2>don't have it.
<v Speaker 3>All right, So we're going to talk about two best
<v Speaker 3>picture movies.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a unique episode. This. You know, you
<v Speaker 2>guys have listened to us so far. You've heard us
<v Speaker 2>talk about Michael Jackson's Bad Album and Thriller Album, which
<v Speaker 2>we both loved, one of us just loved one more
<v Speaker 2>than the other. True. You've heard us talk about Airplane
<v Speaker 2>versus Spaceballs, which we have the same opinion on. We
<v Speaker 2>thought we both thought Balls didn't quite hold up. Airplane
<v Speaker 2>is the winner on that one, Yes. And then you've
<v Speaker 2>heard us talk about Van Halen van Hagar, which again
<v Speaker 2>we have different opinions on, but we both enjoy both
<v Speaker 2>of them. Yes. And then you heard us talk about
<v Speaker 2>Raiders versus Back in the Future. Both loved both movies,
<v Speaker 2>both had slightly differing opinions on it. This one, this
<v Speaker 2>one's unique. Yeah, we're talking about two movies and Jason
<v Speaker 2>likes one of them and doesn't like the other one.
<v Speaker 2>And I like that one and he doesn't like it.
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be interesting. Yeah, I'm just to dive into this.
<v Speaker 2>And typically we hold off judgment until the end, but
<v Speaker 2>I just got I got to come out right now,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just gonna say it. I love Brave Heart
<v Speaker 2>and Gladiator can take a hike. I don't care if
<v Speaker 2>I never see it again.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh. Okay, and Gladiators one of my all
<v Speaker 3>time favorite movies. And Brave Heart, Eh, all right, so wrong,
<v Speaker 3>so wrong.
<v Speaker 2>Brave Heart came out in nineteen ninety five.
<v Speaker 3>May fourth, nineteen ninety five. Is the reallyt state of
<v Speaker 3>Brave Heart.
<v Speaker 2>Going back to nineteen ninety five, I'm listening to Wonderwall
<v Speaker 2>Bio Oasis. I am listening to Fake Plastic Trees by Radiohead.
<v Speaker 2>I'm listening to You Ought to Know by alanis More
<v Speaker 2>set those are top three, what about you?
<v Speaker 3>Definitely? Alanas More said Jague. Littlepill and Deflective Soul was
<v Speaker 3>my other favorite at ninety five.
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know what else?
<v Speaker 3>The Champagne Supernova by Oasis one of my all time
<v Speaker 3>favorite songs.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there were a whole lot of things that came
<v Speaker 2>out in ninety five, but we will all remember this sound.
<v Speaker 2>So in nineteen ninety five sad event the last cartoon
<v Speaker 2>of Calvin or Hopps. My favorite comic Sunday Morning.
<v Speaker 3>It's not even close. The guy Bill Watterson is a.
<v Speaker 4>Genius, absolute genius, all right.
<v Speaker 2>And in the year nineteen ninety five we had the
<v Speaker 2>release of the movie Braveheart. Will give you a quick
<v Speaker 2>overview of the plot simply this, will Wallace, in revenge
<v Speaker 2>for the murder of his new bride, sets out to
<v Speaker 2>fight the English to free the Scots from the oppression
<v Speaker 2>of the English king Longshanks. Several battles take place in
<v Speaker 2>which they are successful, but ultimately William Wallace is captured
<v Speaker 2>and executed, only to return in the afterlife to his
<v Speaker 2>seised wife, and ultimately the Scots win their freedom under
<v Speaker 2>the leadership of Robert the Brooks. Okay, so now let's
<v Speaker 2>take a look at what happened in the year two thousand.
<v Speaker 3>Gladiator was released May fifth, two thousand.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so almost exactly five years apart these two movies.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very close. What were you listening to the year
<v Speaker 3>two thousand?
<v Speaker 2>Okay? So I listened to kid A by Radiohead. You
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get away from Slim Shady, You couldn't get away
<v Speaker 2>from Yellow by Coldplay or Oops, I did it Again
<v Speaker 2>by Britney Spears, or Bye Bye Bye by in Sync
<v Speaker 2>Nice what about you? Or you listened to in two thousand?
<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh in two thousand. So I'm starting to move
<v Speaker 3>out of pop music. I've got a job in my life.
<v Speaker 3>I listened to Third Eye Blind a lot, huh at
<v Speaker 3>that time. And that's pretty much it. Okay, not much,
<v Speaker 3>not an instinct fan moving out.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't really a very good year for music. I
<v Speaker 2>gotta say, comparing ninety five to two thousand ninety five
<v Speaker 2>is a clear winner on quality of the music.
<v Speaker 3>All Right, all right, this one's kind of a sad
<v Speaker 3>note for me. The final comic strip for Peanuts is released,
<v Speaker 3>and Charles Schultz actually passes away in two thousand. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>so that's what was happening in the year two thousand.
<v Speaker 2>All right. And then, as you said, May the movie
<v Speaker 2>Gladiators released.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so we want to do the quick pop overview.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right.
<v Speaker 3>Maximus, a powerful Roman general who is loved by his
<v Speaker 3>soldiers and by the Emperor Marcus Aurelius, is on the
<v Speaker 3>battlefield when the emperor chooses Maximus to take over as
<v Speaker 3>protector of Rome, but Marcus Aurelius decides the communist is
<v Speaker 3>not a moral man and can't take the throne. So
<v Speaker 3>Commas then decides to kill the emperor and attempts to
<v Speaker 3>kill Maximus. He does, in fact kill his wife and children.
<v Speaker 3>Maximus vows revenge, but he's captured and made it to
<v Speaker 3>be a gladiator. Now his only way of getting close
<v Speaker 3>enough to the emperor is becoming great as a gladiator,
<v Speaker 3>so he can get close enough to exact his revenge
<v Speaker 3>on the Emperor. Commdists General then became a slave. The
<v Speaker 3>slave who became a gladiator. Gladiator defied the prop all right,
<v Speaker 3>So that was that's the plot overview for Gladiator.
<v Speaker 2>All right. So let's now talk about a little bit
<v Speaker 2>of the backstory for these movies. I'll begin Braveheart. It
<v Speaker 2>begins back in nineteen eighty three. Randall Wallace is interested
<v Speaker 2>in his heritage but doesn't know anything about it. Is
<v Speaker 2>on a trip to Edinburgh, Scotland, and he encounters the
<v Speaker 2>large statue of William Wallace, sees that they both have
<v Speaker 2>the same last name. He imagines what it would have
<v Speaker 2>been like to be related to him, and ultimately ends
<v Speaker 2>up with the epic poem by Blind Harry, the Life
<v Speaker 2>and Death of William Wallace, and from that he starts
<v Speaker 2>developing this script. At the time, he was a screenwriter
<v Speaker 2>for various television shows. Came up with this script along
<v Speaker 2>the way, and by the nineties it ends up in
<v Speaker 2>the hands of a guy who I just learned about
<v Speaker 2>through this experience, who, my gosh, is an amazing person.
<v Speaker 2>Have you heard of Alan Ladd?
<v Speaker 3>I have heard of Alan Ladd. Why don't you tell
<v Speaker 3>us about it?
<v Speaker 2>Okay? So, Alan Ladd Junior is the one we're talking about.
<v Speaker 2>We had Alan Ladd Senior. You might remember him from
<v Speaker 2>the old movie Shane. His son, Alan Ladd Junior, became
<v Speaker 2>a producer in Hollywood and he is the reason that
<v Speaker 2>we have so many of the movies that we love.
<v Speaker 2>Specifically and first Star Wars.
<v Speaker 3>Star Wars. Thank you, Alan Ladd Junior.
<v Speaker 2>You changed my life absolutely. So yeah. At the time,
<v Speaker 2>George Lucas was having trouble getting a green light for
<v Speaker 2>his idea, and even during the production when they were like,
<v Speaker 2>shut this down, it's over budget, it's not a good story.
<v Speaker 2>Alan Ladd Junior was the guy who came and said
<v Speaker 2>this movie needs to get made. He supports the creative
<v Speaker 2>minds out there. He's the guy who says this is brilliant,
<v Speaker 2>and then he gets out of the way and lets
<v Speaker 2>the creative makers make their stuff, right, that's right. And
<v Speaker 2>so he gets this script that Randa Wallace has made
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, you know what, this is perfect for
<v Speaker 2>mel Gibson. I'm going to give it to mel Gibson.
<v Speaker 2>And mel Gibson says, not good.
<v Speaker 3>Interesting, right.
<v Speaker 4>This is when mel Gibson is a kind of the
<v Speaker 4>height of his powers.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, he's top of the heap as far as
<v Speaker 2>actors are concerned at this time period in history. And
<v Speaker 2>he says, no, I don't want to do it. I
<v Speaker 2>got other stuff going on and I just don't want
<v Speaker 2>to do it. And so Alan Ladd Junior is ahead
<v Speaker 2>of MGM at the time he ends up leaving MGM
<v Speaker 2>going to Paramount, is only allowed to take two scripts
<v Speaker 2>with him and Brave Heart it is one of those
<v Speaker 2>two scripts. Yeah, right, Do we know what the other
<v Speaker 2>one was?
<v Speaker 4>No?
<v Speaker 2>I don't. It's probably one that never made a difference
<v Speaker 2>at all. So then two years past, mel Gibson calls
<v Speaker 2>Alan Ladd Junior and says, hey, what are you doing
<v Speaker 2>with Braveheart that script, and Alan Ladd says, nothing right,
<v Speaker 2>and Mel says, I can't stop thinking about it. Can
<v Speaker 2>we get together for lunch? We're great?
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Yeah, I believe Mel Gibson came to him and said,
<v Speaker 3>I'm interested in directing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that at first Mel only wanted to direct,
<v Speaker 2>did not want to be involved in it, And there
<v Speaker 2>were several other actors that he pushed. He is interested
<v Speaker 2>in having Brad Pitt in the part. He was interested
<v Speaker 2>in having Jason Patrick, Jason Patrick from Lost Boys in
<v Speaker 2>the part, which he had the right look. But I
<v Speaker 2>don't think he had the acting chops to pull that off.
<v Speaker 2>Some other kind of crazy options, Robin Williams, that's.
<v Speaker 3>In that insane. I mean, here's what I've heard. Yeah, Daniels,
<v Speaker 3>which that one could have made some he's got the
<v Speaker 3>acting chops, but I don't know if he's got the
<v Speaker 3>box office pool.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know, man. I mean, of all of
<v Speaker 2>the ones that I've heard, he seems the most likely
<v Speaker 2>to have pulled that off.
<v Speaker 3>Fair right, Okay, Daniel da Lewis, Liam Neeson, Christopher Lambert,
<v Speaker 3>Jeff Bridges, and then, like you said, Robin Williams and
<v Speaker 3>Brad Pitt.
<v Speaker 2>Ultimately, Mel he has to agree to be in the
<v Speaker 2>movie because the studio refuses to fund it unless he
<v Speaker 2>plays the lead part and directs it. And Mel has
<v Speaker 2>after this experience, said I will never be on both
<v Speaker 2>sides of the camera again. By the end of it,
<v Speaker 2>he said, I wasn't saying anymore. I just needed to
<v Speaker 2>be in a pattered room. I couldn't carry on conversations.
<v Speaker 2>It was too much.
<v Speaker 3>It's a lot to do, yeah, you know. And actually
<v Speaker 3>some of the criticism of this movie, not not a lot,
<v Speaker 3>but some of the criticism. You know, Mel Gibson was
<v Speaker 3>almost forty years old, right, and he's playing a guy
<v Speaker 3>that's supposed.
<v Speaker 2>To be in his mid twenties, right, And I mean
<v Speaker 2>and that that was his first objection, as I'm too old,
<v Speaker 2>I'm too old to play this guy. Yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 2>he's yeah, he's late thirties at the time, playing a
<v Speaker 2>guy in his twenties.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Part of the deal for Mel Gibson getting the
<v Speaker 3>funding and getting to direct this movie, ye, was he
<v Speaker 3>had to promise him the least weapon.
<v Speaker 2>Four, right, which is why lethal Weapon four is an
<v Speaker 2>absolute mockery of all of the other lethal weapons it's
<v Speaker 2>a good movie. It's an enjoyable movie. But you watch
<v Speaker 2>it and you're going, they are totally making fun of
<v Speaker 2>themselves right now.
<v Speaker 3>They are having nothing but fun. It's absolute fun.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's the one.
<v Speaker 3>Gently that's my third favorite.
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, yeah, so I'm thinking that number three had
<v Speaker 2>to be your fourth favorite. Yes, yeah, finitely because one
<v Speaker 2>in twoer buldos.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, did you know that? In October of two thousand
<v Speaker 3>and nine, Mel Gibson admitted that much of this film
<v Speaker 3>is fictitious.
<v Speaker 2>Oh. I don't think he's ever denied it. I mean
<v Speaker 2>he just says, even in the commentary on the movie,
<v Speaker 2>he's been like, yeah, this is this is not what
<v Speaker 2>really happened in history, but this is cinematic. You have
<v Speaker 2>to make things cinematic. I mean he even has said
<v Speaker 2>so much as William Wallace was a pretty crappy guy.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's the Vikings would have called him a berserker.
<v Speaker 2>He would he smelled of smoke because he was always
<v Speaker 2>burning down other people's villages.
<v Speaker 3>It's cool, Yeah, he always smelled a smoke.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was not a good guy. But I mean,
<v Speaker 2>when you watch a movie, you've you've got to make
<v Speaker 2>it a hero and that I think we should say
<v Speaker 2>right now, I've read the history and this movie is
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent accurate. No, that's false. That is false,
<v Speaker 2>that this movie is not accurate at all. But we're
<v Speaker 2>okay with that. We're not going to go and I'm
<v Speaker 2>not going to bash this movie because it's inaccurate. We're
<v Speaker 2>going to talk about Gladiator in a minute. And Maximus
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even a real person. So's both of these movies
<v Speaker 2>deviate from history quite a bit, but I don't care.
<v Speaker 3>But they do have historical figures.
<v Speaker 2>Sure. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Braveheart was actually supposed to take place between the years
<v Speaker 3>twelve eighty and thirteen fourteen, almost one thousand years after
<v Speaker 3>Gladiator takes place. This movie was initially supposed to be
<v Speaker 3>an NC seventeen. Mel Gibson had to do a lot
<v Speaker 3>of cutting, had to cut some of the graphic violence.
<v Speaker 1>Out of it.
<v Speaker 2>We had to cut some of the cutting. He had
<v Speaker 2>cut a lot of the cutting, a lot of them apparently,
<v Speaker 2>like whenever the scene happens where the executioner the inquisitor
<v Speaker 2>pulls off the blanket to display all of the implements
<v Speaker 2>of torture. There were multiple people at the screening that
<v Speaker 2>got up and walked out and like, nope, I'm not
<v Speaker 2>going to sit here and watch this. So as graphic
<v Speaker 2>and as unpleasant as you think it is, it was
<v Speaker 2>way worse on the original cut.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he actually they had to remove the line
<v Speaker 3>the guy pulls off the thing and says, I'm going
<v Speaker 3>to use all of these right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, see I had to change that line.
<v Speaker 3>People are like, nope, I'm out of here. This is interesting.
<v Speaker 3>This is something that I found interesting. Mel Gibson in
<v Speaker 3>preparing for this, on how to direct this, he watched
<v Speaker 3>several films, okay, and some of them that you would suspect,
<v Speaker 3>like Spartacus, I'm Spardacus, I'm Spartacus, I'm Spartacus and seven
<v Speaker 3>Samurai yep, but he watched NFL films to get used
<v Speaker 3>to this.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The well, and the footage that you have, especially
<v Speaker 2>in the battle scenes, is very much that kind of
<v Speaker 2>let's get up and close and personal kind of thing.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a famous celebrity that helped mel Gibson.
<v Speaker 4>With his accent.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do know it is. So I'll let you
<v Speaker 2>tell the story. Okay, Well there's.
<v Speaker 3>Not much of a story, but mel Gibson needed to
<v Speaker 3>have a Scottish accent. So who do you call who's
<v Speaker 3>the most famous Scottish actor at the time. In the end,
<v Speaker 3>it can be only one John Connery, Right.
<v Speaker 2>Conray, I'll have the rappist for two hundred. That's therapist.
<v Speaker 3>So he and Sean Connery went to dinner. So one
<v Speaker 3>of the other criticisms that is sort of out there
<v Speaker 3>is that Mel Gibson's accent sucks.
<v Speaker 2>Well, but here's the thing, and I'm gonna this is
<v Speaker 2>the way I justify this. Okay, Okay. So the character
<v Speaker 2>of William Wallace in the movie leaves at the time
<v Speaker 2>that he's a child to go learn Latin and French
<v Speaker 2>and travels the world to all different kinds of places
<v Speaker 2>his accent and it will be different, it'll be varied.
<v Speaker 2>So it's acceptable to me. I have no problem with it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it didn't bother me at all.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And plus they can blame Sean Connery.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, Okay, So are you good with the beginning
<v Speaker 2>of Fraveheart? The backstory there? Okay, let's talk about the
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the beginnings the backstory to Gladiator.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So this one doesn't have quite as much interesting
<v Speaker 3>things to talk about as far as the beginning goes,
<v Speaker 3>because when they actually started filming Gladiator, they only had
<v Speaker 3>twenty one It depends on who you ask, but somewhere
<v Speaker 3>between twenty one and thirty two pages of a script
<v Speaker 3>ready to go.
<v Speaker 2>That to me is amazing in and of itself because
<v Speaker 2>this movie was several How many millions of dollars did
<v Speaker 2>they spend on this movie?
<v Speaker 3>This The budget for this one hundred and three million dollars.
<v Speaker 2>One hundred and three million dollars. So really Scott had
<v Speaker 2>the chops to go to producers and say, hey, I
<v Speaker 2>want to make this epic movie. It's going to cost
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and three million dollars. And they're like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>tell us a story. And he's like, well, I really
<v Speaker 2>only have about a quarter of it, right, And they said, okay,
<v Speaker 2>here's the money. I feel really good about Act one
<v Speaker 2>and maybe part of Act two. Yeah, I mean if
<v Speaker 2>I can go back to Braveheart real quick. Whenever they
<v Speaker 2>went to the producers for money, not only they say
<v Speaker 2>you're going to have to make lethal weapon for not
<v Speaker 2>only do they have to say you're going to have
<v Speaker 2>to star in it when he didn't want to, but
<v Speaker 2>they said the paramount guy said we'll give you fifteen
<v Speaker 2>million dollars, and Mel Gibson lost his yeah, and threw
<v Speaker 2>an ashtray through the wall, which I can understand. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>he had given up roles, he had done all this preparation,
<v Speaker 2>and they basically offered him twenty percent of the budget.
<v Speaker 3>Totally ridiculous. But Brian Johnson's Hoover vacuum cleaner commercial was
<v Speaker 3>worth fifteen million dollars.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what ended up happened was twentieth Century Fox
<v Speaker 2>agreed to put up the rest of the money, and
<v Speaker 2>they got international distribution rights, and they made all the
<v Speaker 2>money on that movie. Because the movie Brave Heart, when
<v Speaker 2>it came out, it only made about nine million and
<v Speaker 2>something dollars here in the States, which didn't even get
<v Speaker 2>it up to the budget, right, but worldwide it made
<v Speaker 2>over two hundred and fifty million dollars.
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting that you say that before we get back
<v Speaker 3>into Gladiator, because I this is the time of my
<v Speaker 3>life when I went and saw everything, and I don't
<v Speaker 3>recall seeing Brave Heart at the theater.
<v Speaker 2>I don't really remember seeing either one of these. I
<v Speaker 2>just for the first time I've seen I can remember
<v Speaker 2>how I felt after Gladiator, and I can remember how
<v Speaker 2>I felt after Braveheart for the first time seeing them,
<v Speaker 2>but I don't remember where I saw them.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so Gladiator aback to Gladiator. The script started with
<v Speaker 3>only twenty one to thirty two pages, depending on who
<v Speaker 3>you ask. Yes, Russell Crow has actually been quoted as
<v Speaker 3>saying this is the stupidest way to fill a mood.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe. Yeah, he didn't like the experience.
<v Speaker 3>You know, but he had a lot of creative input
<v Speaker 3>on it. He said they would gather up and sit
<v Speaker 3>down and start writing.
<v Speaker 2>Stuff, right, but almost too much, because, as I understand it,
<v Speaker 2>if he didn't like the lines, he was just like,
<v Speaker 2>this is stupid. I'm not going to say you walk
<v Speaker 2>off the set.
<v Speaker 3>He almost didn't say.
<v Speaker 5>His name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies
<v Speaker 5>of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal southern
<v Speaker 5>to the true Emperor Marcus Aurelius, father to a murdered son,
<v Speaker 5>husband to a murdered wife, and I will have my
<v Speaker 5>vengeance in this life for the.
<v Speaker 3>Next that very famous line.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, he almost didn't say that. And if he
<v Speaker 2>didn't like the way that the script was going, he
<v Speaker 2>would walk off. He'd like, screw this, I'm not doing
<v Speaker 2>it anymore.
<v Speaker 3>Right, This movie was actually inspired by the grade for this, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>my French accident, the Jean Leon Jerome eighteen seventy two
<v Speaker 3>painting called thumbs.
<v Speaker 2>Down, or if you're from Oklahoma, the John Leon.
<v Speaker 3>Jerome, John Leon, Jimmy Yes.
<v Speaker 2>The Plice Versaux thumbs down.
<v Speaker 3>Thumbs down. Okay, So some other actors that were considered
<v Speaker 3>for the lead in this yes, Now, Ridley Scott is
<v Speaker 3>kind of said that Russell Crowe was his number one
<v Speaker 3>guy the entire time.
<v Speaker 2>Right, he had initially turned it down because he was
<v Speaker 2>so invested in The Insider, which is I think maybe
<v Speaker 2>my favorite Russell Crowe performance.
<v Speaker 3>Well, talk about that because he had a lot of
<v Speaker 3>work to do after The Insider.
<v Speaker 2>Right. So The Insider he plays a whistleblower in the
<v Speaker 2>tobacco industry and it's a fantastic performance by him. But
<v Speaker 2>he gained forty pounds of fat. I mean he was
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he wasn't working out and gaining forty pounds.
<v Speaker 2>He gained a lot of flab to play this part.
<v Speaker 2>And then then he's being offered this gladiator part where
<v Speaker 2>he's got to be in tiptop shape, and so does
<v Speaker 2>he hit the gym. Nope, No, he goes and works
<v Speaker 2>on the farm. He's got himself a farm down in
<v Speaker 2>New Zealand and he goes down there and works and
<v Speaker 2>drops drops the weight.
<v Speaker 3>See I've heard him talk about this. I'm not sure
<v Speaker 3>i'd buy it. Walking around with sheep does not shed
<v Speaker 3>forty pounds. So Russell Crowe was the guy, the main
<v Speaker 3>guy that really Scott had targeted. But some other guys
<v Speaker 3>that were considered. I thought, this is an interesting list.
<v Speaker 3>Here you go, Mel Gibson.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, it was the very first consideration because they
<v Speaker 2>wanted to ride on that success the Brave Heart had had.
<v Speaker 3>And at this time, I mean he would have been,
<v Speaker 3>you know, forty five or so. Yeah, I think that's a.
<v Speaker 2>About right for a Roman general, right, But he said, no,
<v Speaker 2>I'm too old, and this time I mean it and I.
<v Speaker 3>Still have the Scottish accent. Somebody else considered Hugh Jackman.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they got what's with all the Australia guys. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, down Under guys are just yeah, okay, Hugh Jackman.
<v Speaker 2>Who else Hugh Jackman?
<v Speaker 3>This is kind of before even X men. I think
<v Speaker 3>X Men kind of made it big in two thousands,
<v Speaker 3>so yeah, X Men was before He's a household name
<v Speaker 3>for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, now here's the final name. And I thought this
<v Speaker 3>one was pretty good. Antonio Benders, Yeah, because this is
<v Speaker 3>the Spaniards.
<v Speaker 4>Spaniard Does that make sense?
<v Speaker 2>It seems to me, oh for sure. But then what
<v Speaker 2>happened a little bit later was Rudley Scott directed Antonio
<v Speaker 2>Benderis in The Thirteenth Warrior and being it was a loser. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I was a loser, all right.
<v Speaker 3>So that is kind of the backstory on Gladiator. They
<v Speaker 3>kind of made it up as they went.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Gladiator, like Braveheart, was heavily influenced by Spartacus the movie.
<v Speaker 2>It was also heavily influenced by a movie called The
<v Speaker 2>Fall of the Roman Empire. Both of those came out
<v Speaker 2>in the sixties. The Fall of the Roman Empire especially
<v Speaker 2>has a really similar plot because it tells the story
<v Speaker 2>of Livius, who is Marcus Aurelius's intended successor. But that's
<v Speaker 2>just the same as Maximus and Gladiator. David Franzini was
<v Speaker 2>the screenwriter who I guess at least wrote the first
<v Speaker 2>twenty pages or whatever. He started developing the story back
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies after he read a book called Those
<v Speaker 2>Who Are About to Die, And this line comes up
<v Speaker 2>in the movie. For those about to die, we salute you.
<v Speaker 3>Those are about to die, we salute you.
<v Speaker 2>And for those about to rock.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, you've got to plug some ason DC right, Okay.
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that I thought was interesting. Thumbs
<v Speaker 3>up thumbs down what we all accept in American society.
<v Speaker 3>Thumbs up means good, right, ye, hey, good job, phonsie.
<v Speaker 3>Thumbs up, thumbs down means bad. But they think in
<v Speaker 3>the Roman times it's actually the opposite.
<v Speaker 2>Thumbs up meant give him the sword, give.
<v Speaker 3>Him the sword, and thumbs down mint sheath the sword. Right,
<v Speaker 3>So when the guy in charge of the match gave
<v Speaker 3>the thumbs down, them mercy, don't kill him.
<v Speaker 2>Right, But nobody would have understood that. They thought about.
<v Speaker 3>Switching that, but they didn't want to confuse the.
<v Speaker 2>Audience, right, and that would have been confused.
<v Speaker 3>I'd have been like, what the heck he gave the thumbs.
<v Speaker 2>Down, What are you doing? Not that Maximus follows what
<v Speaker 2>he's told to do anyway.
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's part. That was one of the points that
<v Speaker 3>he did.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Sure. Now let's talk about the actors, the directors
<v Speaker 2>and the composers in this one. Okay, Yes, for Braveheart.
<v Speaker 2>It is directed, as we've said by mel Gibson. He
<v Speaker 2>won the Oscar for Best Director yes that year, and
<v Speaker 2>he was also a producer on it, and the movie
<v Speaker 2>itself won Best Movie as well.
<v Speaker 3>You know what, his only directing credit up to that point.
<v Speaker 2>Was, Yeah, he had directed a smaller budget film called
<v Speaker 2>Man Without a Face.
<v Speaker 3>But to go from that, which is a small kind
<v Speaker 3>of movie, to this, yeah, a big thing to jump into.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely well, Alan add Junior totally supported him, and then
<v Speaker 2>the other producer involved was Bruce Davies. It was written,
<v Speaker 2>as we said, by Randa Wallace, who mel Gibson said
<v Speaker 2>was very easy to work with. They also had to
<v Speaker 2>add things and take away things to kind of make
<v Speaker 2>it a complete story, and he was okay with that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he was very good with that. Sounds great. And actually
<v Speaker 2>what they would do they'd say here's what we're thinking,
<v Speaker 2>and he said this is great and send it back
<v Speaker 2>and he had made it even better.
<v Speaker 3>That's cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So since that point, just to kind of hit on
<v Speaker 3>mel Gibbs, most people are familiar with Mel Gibbs and
<v Speaker 3>one of the top movie stars of our generation in
<v Speaker 3>a way. Yeah, there's not a lot of directing for him.
<v Speaker 3>He did The Man with No Face out a face,
<v Speaker 3>The Faceless Guy. He did Braveheart right, which is great.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>He did The Passion of Christ, yes, which is amazing. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>he did Apocalypto.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, have you seen that?
<v Speaker 4>No, you guys see that? I need to so good.
<v Speaker 3>And then Hacksaw Rich.
<v Speaker 2>Right, which is another Best Picture winner. I don't know.
<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen it.
<v Speaker 2>I've heard it. I've heard it's really good.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The director of Gladiators, Ridley Scott.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Alien is the movie I immediately think of with
<v Speaker 2>Ridley Scott.
<v Speaker 3>Ridley Scott has done Alien.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>He's done Blade Runner, right, Thelma and Louise. He did
<v Speaker 3>Blackhawk Down, he did The Latest. I think he's been
<v Speaker 3>like Alien Covenant. It was new not any getting No,
<v Speaker 3>that's terrible. He did a movie in the eighties with
<v Speaker 3>Tom Verger that I really like, called Someone to Watch
<v Speaker 3>over Me.
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen it for me.
<v Speaker 3>He's either a home run or strikeout the Babe Ruth
<v Speaker 3>of directors.
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about the actors in each of the movies. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>In Brave Heart again, lead character is Mel Gibson Martin Riggs. Right,
<v Speaker 2>Leath the Weapon one of the first things you think of.
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed Leath the Weapon. I enjoyed Ransom, but he
<v Speaker 2>did Hamlet not to be that is the question.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was really good.
<v Speaker 2>I loved it. Yeah, I loved it. I mean, talk
<v Speaker 2>about a movie that makes you enjoy Shakespeare? That really
<v Speaker 2>that one?
<v Speaker 4>Really?
<v Speaker 2>Was it? Super job. There were a couple of movies
<v Speaker 2>before that. Henry the Fifth by Kenneth Browna had come out.
<v Speaker 2>I think it came out in eighty nine. Fantastic. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen that. Yeah, what about Mad Max? You
<v Speaker 2>med Max?
<v Speaker 5>Guy?
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really, I didn't get into those movies.
<v Speaker 3>You're okay, more of a Leath the Weapon, right, which
<v Speaker 3>hopefully very soon we're going to dive in Leth the
<v Speaker 3>Weapon versus Diehard.
<v Speaker 2>Christmas movies coming soon? All right?
<v Speaker 1>Uh?
<v Speaker 3>And the lead we talked about in Gladiator, Russell Crowe. Right,
<v Speaker 3>He's been in things like La Confidential, which is amazing,
<v Speaker 3>Mystery Alaska, Master and Commander. Yeah, three Tender Yuma.
<v Speaker 2>That was one that I enjoyed. There are not a
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of Russell Crowe movies that I just am
<v Speaker 2>super into. I think he did a great job as
<v Speaker 2>Durell and Man of Steel Steel. Yeah, I think he
<v Speaker 2>did a fantastic job in that movie. And I really
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I really like The Insider.
<v Speaker 3>How about this one?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, lead miss haven't seen it.
<v Speaker 2>Widely regarded as the downer of that movie. Is his
<v Speaker 2>part and I do not forget my name, Do not
<v Speaker 2>forget me.
<v Speaker 3>Two fall six, So one.
<v Speaker 2>My wife loves his singing. Most people don't.
<v Speaker 3>He took He kind of took it on the chin
<v Speaker 3>on that movie. And that movie was awesome.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, the movie's great. Yeah, just not him.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I didn't have a problem with it. I like it.
<v Speaker 3>I am a fan, so you know, maybe I'm a
<v Speaker 3>little rose colored there.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let's run through the supporting actors on Braveheart.
<v Speaker 2>You've got Brian Cox. You don't speak Loton. Well, that's
<v Speaker 2>something we shall have to speaking of Hannibal. Brian Cox
<v Speaker 2>was the original Hannibal in a movie that came out
<v Speaker 2>mid eighties by Michael Mann, same guy who directed The Insider,
<v Speaker 2>called Manhunter. Yes, which is the original story before the
<v Speaker 2>Silence of the lambs Manhunters, and it was remade later
<v Speaker 2>on Red Dragon Business. But in that original mid eighties,
<v Speaker 2>I think in nineteen eighty six, Brian Cox played the
<v Speaker 2>part of Hannibal Lecter. Since Braveheart has gone on to
<v Speaker 2>do multiple things which I've enjoyed him in, including the
<v Speaker 2>Bourne series. He's fantastic in that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's really good in the Born series. He's also
<v Speaker 3>Daphne's dad in the TV show.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's funny.
<v Speaker 3>He's super funny in that.
<v Speaker 2>It's good. It's good. He can do comedy too, that
<v Speaker 2>makes sense. We had Patrick McGoohan as the villain King
<v Speaker 2>Edward the first long Shanks.
<v Speaker 1>Probably with Scott is that it's full of Scott's.
<v Speaker 2>Patrick McGowan was a handsome actor from the sixties who
<v Speaker 2>had done a lot of TV. Was kind of the
<v Speaker 2>debonair guy. Even got offered the part of James Bond
<v Speaker 2>at one point but turned it down. That's incredible. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we have Peter Hanley as Prince Edward. We have Sophie
<v Speaker 2>Marceau as Princess Isabella. Because you're looking at me, who's
<v Speaker 2>also in a James Bond movie.
<v Speaker 3>The World's not enough.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, she is an incredible beauty and I gotta say
<v Speaker 2>she is a fantastic actress.
<v Speaker 3>She does a great job.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you watched this movie. I rewatched it.
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, holy smoke, she's got some chops on this acting.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's she's good.
<v Speaker 3>She has that sort of quiet strength.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that queen to.
<v Speaker 2>Have And apparently mel Gibson during the course of the
<v Speaker 2>movie convinced the entire crew that she was the daughter
<v Speaker 2>of Marcel Marceau, the famous that's awesome. You have Angus
<v Speaker 2>mcphaden as Robert the Bruce. I want to believe he
<v Speaker 2>does again some serious acting chops on here for a
<v Speaker 2>guy that's such a slime ball in the movie that
<v Speaker 2>you actually but you still can identify with that you
<v Speaker 2>feel for.
<v Speaker 3>I think his character is comparable to what Joaquin Phoenix
<v Speaker 3>does and Gladiator, which we'll talk about here in a minute.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, they have a their mission and their heart
<v Speaker 3>is kind of intermingled and mixed up sometimes, right, and
<v Speaker 3>they convey that really well.
<v Speaker 2>Sure. Katherine McCormick plays Muran do that stands another beauty
<v Speaker 2>different type of beauty, but my gosh, every look that
<v Speaker 2>she gives as they as they're looking at each other
<v Speaker 2>in the movie, I'm just like, oh my heart. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it makes it hurt.
<v Speaker 3>You know Mel Gibson when he talked about her, when
<v Speaker 3>you talked about the interview process, Yeah, he brought in
<v Speaker 3>when he brings in actress and actresses, he doesn't have
<v Speaker 3>him read, yes, but he just sits down, has a
<v Speaker 3>conversation with him. And after sitting down with her, I
<v Speaker 3>heard him say this. He said he fell in love.
<v Speaker 2>A little bit. Yeah, And I thought, man.
<v Speaker 3>And that's how he knew she was right for the
<v Speaker 3>park absolutely, and you do you just can't.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's wearing a potato sack yet, and she's
<v Speaker 2>got her hair just as straight stick hair, and you're
<v Speaker 2>still just like you have. Brendan Leson playing the part
<v Speaker 2>of Hamish William Wallace's best friend, the giant redheaded Warrior,
<v Speaker 2>I could crush you like a what a my gosh,
<v Speaker 2>what a great part of Brendan Gleeson. I know because
<v Speaker 2>I have kids From the Harry Potter series. He plays
<v Speaker 2>Mattie Moody Alistair Mattye Moody in that one and then
<v Speaker 2>also in Paddington Too. He's one of the jail Cook's
<v Speaker 2>good part in that one.
<v Speaker 3>I haven't picked up Pattington too yet but sounds good.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's Brendan Gleeson is Irish and played a
<v Speaker 2>Scottish guy. And then my favorite character in the whole
<v Speaker 2>movie is Steven.
<v Speaker 3>That can't be William Wallace.
<v Speaker 1>I'm prettier than this man.
<v Speaker 2>That part is played by David O'Hara. In order to
<v Speaker 2>find his equal in irishman is forced to talk to God.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Father on my two sides, don't change the subject,
<v Speaker 3>just on So the question.
<v Speaker 2>Scottish guy playing Irish guy. So you got an Irish
<v Speaker 2>guy playing a Scottish guy and Scotish guy playing an
<v Speaker 2>Irish guy, and they're both my favorite guys in the movie.
<v Speaker 2>David O'Hara is so good, so good makes the whole movie.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he really steals some of the scenes.
<v Speaker 2>So those are the two right hand men. And then
<v Speaker 2>the other loyal follower of William Wallace is Morrison, who
<v Speaker 2>is played by tom Me Flannagan. You will recognize him
<v Speaker 2>from the large scars that he has on each side
<v Speaker 2>of his face. Interestingly, he is also right hand man
<v Speaker 2>in the movie Gladiator.
<v Speaker 3>He's Cicero.
<v Speaker 2>He's Cicero Gladiator.
<v Speaker 3>You know those scars are actually real.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was in a night he was.
<v Speaker 3>Attacked at a nightclub. He was working as a DJ,
<v Speaker 3>working at a nightclub. Yeah, and they actually call it
<v Speaker 3>the Glasgow.
<v Speaker 2>Smile, smile, I think right. Tommy Flanagan's first big budget movie,
<v Speaker 2>first movie of Hollywood movie is Brave Heart. He went
<v Speaker 2>on to do multiple things, has been an actor in
<v Speaker 2>over sixty productions since then.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're ready to talk about the actors and actresses
<v Speaker 3>and gladator. Let's do it all right, So we talked
<v Speaker 3>a little bit about the lead, Russell Crowe. He's major
<v Speaker 3>movie star. You guys know him a lot of stuff.
<v Speaker 3>The guy who plays Commitist is Joaquin Phoenix.
<v Speaker 2>Now this year is up for his Have they had
<v Speaker 2>the oscar yet? They will have had them by the
<v Speaker 2>time that this episode comes out. But he's in the movie.
<v Speaker 3>Joker, right, which you I despise that movie. Yeah, but
<v Speaker 3>he does a fantastic job.
<v Speaker 2>There's no question, love it or hate the movie, you
<v Speaker 2>cannot deny that he does an incredible job.
<v Speaker 3>He lost so much weight and he looks almost grotesque
<v Speaker 3>in the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 3>The whole movie is just an unpleasant experience, but he
<v Speaker 3>does really sold out and did an amazing job. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>so Walking Phoenix. You may recognize from Space Camp a
<v Speaker 3>little kid that Jinks sends to space and Space Camp, right,
<v Speaker 3>he was the little kid in Parenthood.
<v Speaker 2>He's been such a moving part that he has, even
<v Speaker 2>for the small part that he is this kid who
<v Speaker 2>kind of just never gets to see his dad even
<v Speaker 2>though he desperately.
<v Speaker 4>Wants to.
<v Speaker 3>The village.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, and science right, swing away.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, Walk the Line plays Johnny Cash, Walk the Line,
<v Speaker 3>Yeah kind of a I mean, he's a really prominent
<v Speaker 3>actor right now.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely so.
<v Speaker 3>Connie Nielsen plays Lucilla.
<v Speaker 5>Was that very different.
<v Speaker 2>Then most of our listeners probably will recognize her from
<v Speaker 2>the Wonder Woman movie.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, she's Diana's mother, yea, the Amazonian mother, Yes, yes, okay,
<v Speaker 3>And then Oliver Reed.
<v Speaker 4>I want you to do is kill Kill Kill. I
<v Speaker 4>want to hear coming back.
<v Speaker 3>Just entertain We'll talk more about him here in a
<v Speaker 3>little bit, But I mean, he's been in a lot
<v Speaker 3>of movies that I'm not familiar with. But the one
<v Speaker 3>movie that I am familiar with was this nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 3>two movie called Venom. Not the Spider Man movie. But
<v Speaker 3>that's a movie where he's a kidnapper and the black
<v Speaker 3>man beloose in the in the apartment. He's the bad guy,
<v Speaker 3>that's what. There's a black man but loose in the
<v Speaker 3>apartment in England.
<v Speaker 2>A black man.
<v Speaker 3>But huh yes, Kelby Bryant is running around the part.
<v Speaker 2>So Oliver Reid, I know from Oliver the movie Oliver,
<v Speaker 2>which is a musical from back in the sixties where
<v Speaker 2>he's the villain. And he was also in this weird
<v Speaker 2>wolf movie that I probably I could find. It's like
<v Speaker 2>Curse of the Werewolf or something like that, which was fantastic,
<v Speaker 2>but I haven't seen it since I was maybe seven
<v Speaker 2>years old or something.
<v Speaker 3>You say, were wolf movie and I'm in. I don't care.
<v Speaker 2>He was in the Adventures of Baron von Muhausen as well. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, and Oliver. That's probably his most famous role.
<v Speaker 2>He plays Bill Sykes, the evil guy kills his beautiful wife.
<v Speaker 2>It's terrible anyway, let's keep going.
<v Speaker 3>Richard Harris, who plays Marcus Aurelis. Have I missed it?
<v Speaker 2>Have I missed the Battles the War? All right?
<v Speaker 3>Richard Harris, who has been in a ton of stuff
<v Speaker 3>but Dumbledore. He's definitely been in the Harry Potter movies.
<v Speaker 3>He's Dumbledore in Harry Potter Original Dumbledore. He was in
<v Speaker 3>Patriot Games yep Orca, which is kind of a Jaws
<v Speaker 3>like movie except it's the Killer Whale. Yes, but for me,
<v Speaker 3>he's always the guy from Unforgiven. Right, He Gene Hackman,
<v Speaker 3>beats the heck out him, almost beats him to death
<v Speaker 3>in the movie Unforgiven. We may not include this. Richard
<v Speaker 3>Harris is in Tarzan the ape Man with Bo Derek.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have, okay, one part of it, over and
<v Speaker 2>over again. All right. Composers, okay. So for Braveheart we
<v Speaker 2>have James Horner, fantastic composer. I love this soundtrack. Love it.
<v Speaker 2>It's like you talked about the beginning of the thriller
<v Speaker 2>album of Want to Be starting some then just three
<v Speaker 2>beats in, You're in right when you start with the
<v Speaker 2>bagpipes playing at the beginning of this thing, and I'm
<v Speaker 2>swept over to Scotland. I'm in, I'm in for the deal.
<v Speaker 2>James Horner has done tons of stuff, most memorable Brave Heart,
<v Speaker 2>and a few years later he does the soundtrack for
<v Speaker 2>Titanic Titanic, one of your favorite movies. Movie that I
<v Speaker 2>think is okay, but it is the biggest selling soundtrack
<v Speaker 2>album of all time. James Horner sadly passed away back
<v Speaker 2>in twenty fifteen. Kind of he was in the midst
<v Speaker 2>of his doing some great stuff, but he had he
<v Speaker 2>was flying a plane, had a plane crash and passed away.
<v Speaker 3>I did not know that Gladiator has one of the
<v Speaker 3>most famous composers of all time as well, Hans Zimmer.
<v Speaker 4>Hans Zimmer, and he's one of my favorites too.
<v Speaker 3>He does great stuff. So he's done Aman Begins, He's
<v Speaker 3>done rain Man, Twister, Crimson Tie.
<v Speaker 2>The last Samurai, Interstellar, Interstellar inception. He just got Dunkirk.
<v Speaker 3>So Christopher Nolan apparently.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's yeah, Christopher, It's he's Christopher Nolan and Hans
<v Speaker 2>Zimmer are kind of life. Steven Spielberg and Don Williams.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he just got the new the Latest Bond movie. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>I just saw today, but let me just say for me,
<v Speaker 3>I love this century. I think it's amazing. I don't
<v Speaker 3>know if you ever saw this TV show called it
<v Speaker 3>The Contender. It was a Sevestro Stallone boxing show. No
<v Speaker 3>Hans Zimmer did the theme song from It Okay and
<v Speaker 3>it was incredible. So Hans Zimmer, before we move on
<v Speaker 3>from him, he was in a famous eighties pop band
<v Speaker 3>Okay video Killed the Radio.
<v Speaker 2>Star, very first video of MTV.
<v Speaker 3>He was the keyboards in the Buggles.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that's an interesting that's an interesting move.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh. When I saw that, I could not
<v Speaker 3>believe it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fantastic. Okay, I think we've gone through are
<v Speaker 2>We've gone through our players, we've gone through our creatives,
<v Speaker 2>we've gone through the story. I think it's time to
<v Speaker 2>jump in.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's let's get into where You're wrong and I'm right.
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