#397 - Patrick Hicks TikTok Music Storyteller on How He Gained a Massive Social Media Following + Working a Full Time Job & Building a Social Media Career + Can You Guess The Artist Based on The Music Story? + The Legalities of AI Music Creation

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Speaker 1: So my wife loves this Ted talk about doing a thirty day challenge. She was like, you need to do something new and creative. She laughed at me when I said it was going to be a TikTok channel, and she was like, what are you going to do on TikTok? And I was like, maybe I'll tell music stories. I know a lot of good music stories. And she's like, nobody is going to want to see you tell a music story.

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Speaker 2: Episode three ninety seven. His name is Patrick Kicks. He's somebody that I followed on TikTok for a long time and then I just thought it was one of those Eureka moments. Eureka, let's get him on the Bobbycast because he is so knowledgeable about music. He has almost half a million followers now just from him getting on and telling stories. And all he does is put the phone up next to his face pretty close.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was right on him.

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Speaker 2: And he's always on the same couch and he tells these stories, but you never really know who he's talking about until he gets to the end. He'll be like, yep, he grew up a small boy in a farm back in Minnesota, and you know what he loved to play soccer, and then all of a sudden, next thing, you know, it's Brandon Flower from The Killers. Now I made the whole first part of that out, but he walks you through his whole story without saying who it is, and so he's just real good. And so from that I thought, let's get him on a talk and that's what we did. We talked about a lot of stuff. I mean, I can say who we talked about, right, because we didn't run like his bits. Yeah you can do that, okay, Like the one about third Eye Blind super cool to me. Even when I was watching it on his Instagram or his his TikTok, I was like, wow, really there's the tangent talker one that's really interesting too. So we go through a lot of the stories. We also talk about him, I mean, normal dude, like went to law school.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: It was like an attorney that was like, I don't like this anymore, still works, but started doing this has you know, built such a following and now he's doing what he loves.

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Speaker 3: It's the best in music.

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Speaker 2: From you know, different genres, from fascinating, heartfelt, inspirational tales. His name is Pat Hope. You check him out on TikTok. I hope you listen to this podcast, and I hope you check out his podcast. It's called Good Measure with Patrick Hicks. He also worked as a booking agent at Whiskey a Go Go in La. So he's done a bunch of different stuff in music. And he was in a band, right, punk band.

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Speaker 3: He was in a punk band. What was your big takeaway from this?

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Speaker 5: Every story I wanted him in with, and that boy grew up to be Bobby Bones, all of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he also has a good culture. I don't know if we talked about this on his TikTok where don't spoil it in the comments.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he won't take it down.

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Speaker 2: But everybody else will run you over, and like then they'll like everybody who's running you over?

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Speaker 3: So yours isn't even in the top ten or so. Yeah, and it's.

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Speaker 5: Crazy to get that many amount of views on a TikTok with like no text.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just a straight story, just him in his head telling a story.

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Speaker 2: So here he is. I follow him. I'm a big fan. His name is Patrick Hicks. Episode three ninety seven of The Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: Patrick.

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Speaker 2: Let me say first of all, that I'm a huge fan. And is that weird to hear from people that they're because I am a huge fan of yours.

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Speaker 1: No, that's amazing. I mean it's it's still weird. Yeah, it's and especially coming from you, that's it's surreal. But yeah, I'm starting to get used to a little bit. I've done some you know, zooms where I've set up some sponsorships and you know, I've talked to people and they're like, oh my gosh, it's you. That's the brown couch right there. So that's, uh, yeah, it's strange, but it's fun.

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Speaker 3: Where do you live?

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Speaker 1: I live in Chicago, So I live in a neighborhood called Albany Park. I just live in like a regular apartment on the third floor, and uh, just have this kind of not that expensive couch that is the star of my tic TACs.

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Speaker 3: They kind of the genesis of me.

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Speaker 2: Knowing who you are is probably the genesis of everybody knowing who you are where. I'm a massive music fan. I've worked in all formats and yeah, I grew up in Arkansas, so I'm obviously a massive country music fan, but you know, I worked in pop and hip hop and alternative, and so I just love music. I love classic rock, and I think because I searched for so many things on TikTok, you kind of came into my algorithm and I was like, oh, this is an interesting kind of deal. I didn't follow you the first time. About the third time, which is pretty quick, I was like, I got to follow this guy because of how he tells the stories. So when you first started, you know, your first one, two or three tiktoks that you made, did you start telling the story where You're like, this is the story, but I'm telling it in a way of a lot of this stuff you had no idea until you reveal who it's actually about.

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Speaker 1: No, that was never the plan, and a lot of people kind of compare it to Paul Harvey that was like that was not really an influence. I didn't really think of that.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: When I first started, it was just here's some stories I know, kind of off the top of my head, Like, here's some fun like stories I know just from years of like reading music by our and watching documentaries. And then as I kept going, I started doing more research, they started becoming more involved, and then I did one on nine inch nails and as I was doing the research, I was like, you know, a lot of people might not know that Trent is Trent Resnor's middle name. His first name is Michael. And as I was doing more research on it, I was like, you know, he, if you didn't know, you were reading about nine inch Nails, you would never believe that this story is going to lead up to Trent Resnor because he is this very straight laced kind of boy scout. He you know, he was inspired to get into music by an Eagles concert. There was all these kind of things that I thought was interesting, and I was like, you know, if I just told the story is saying this is about a guy named Michael who was a hardworking janitor who was recording music at night, it would be a big surprise when you found out this was Trent Resner. So it was kind of just going to be a one off for that story. And then people responded to it like so well of like oh my god, the reveal was so cool. Then I was like, let me try this a couple more times. And then then people were like, I make a game out of it, you know, this is like the best game to play is to try to figure out how fast can I figure out who you're talking about? So then I kind of fell into that kind of being my thing of like, I don't want to let people down if they're literally playing drinking games trying to solve the musical mystery. So it definitely has evolved over over time, but that was not the original plan.

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Speaker 4: But it seems to be working.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does seem to be working. That is an understatement.

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Speaker 2: So I want to do a couple of things, and I kind of want to balance from stories that I've seen from you that i'd like you to at least talk about a little bit, but then also your live sure, also the TikTok growth that you've had. So we're going to kind of walk three linear paths at the same time. If you're cool with that, love it, okay, sure. One of the ones that I watched the viewers and I've seen them all. One of the ones because I like to play and I like to try to figure it out, and some of them again because I do feel like I'm pretty well versed in a lot of different music. The one that blew my mind and I'm not going to say who it was, and you don't have to do exactly like you did.

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Speaker 3: But the band that proved everyone wrong, Like.

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Speaker 4: Oh, okay, that was the one that.

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Speaker 3: I was like, dang, he got me. I gotta get him on the show.

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Speaker 2: So just to talk me through the band that proved everyone wrong?

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Speaker 1: Sure, So, so starts with a guy I called Steve, who I believe does not like being called Steve, but you know, to obfuscate a little bit. So start with a guy named Steve who grows up mostly in the Bay Area in California, and his dad is actually a professor at Berkeley. And he grows up and he has a lot of struggles growing up. You know, his parents are divorced. He has dyslexia, which is is a issue for him succeeding in school. And he at one point has this teacher, like a sixth grade teacher who tells him that he'll never even graduate high school, like basically like you're never going to be anything. So he's of course determined to prove her wrong, and you know, prove everybody wrong, and doubles down. You know, his dad is a professor, so his dad helps him. He does end up graduating high school, ends up going to Berkeley for college, and he studies English literature and you know, it does very well. But then he starts to get into music. So in high school he's a drummer. He drums in some rock bands. But then in college he starts getting into hip hop. So this is like the eighties. You know, he's starting to get inspired by the rap you know boom, especially in the Bay Area. A lot of cool stuff happening there. So he starts this rap group with it's him, it's this rapper from Detroit and it's this two man you know, rap duo, and they don't have a ton of success, except they get a song on the Beverly Hills nine O two one oh soundtrack, like real random, but they reach out to them to do this song. He he'd never seen the show before, but he was like, you know, this is an opportunity, so let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Has this song.

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Speaker 1: The name of the rap group they're called Puck and Natty, and it's a play on there was like a Bay Area jazz group called Tuck and Patty. So weird name, weird sound. You know, he's white, the Detroit rapper is black, so it's like a you know, mixed race hip hop duo and it's not like, you know, it's not hardcore. It's not like gang Star or something. It's pretty like poppy hip hop. Then they have this song on the Beverly Hills now to a O soundtrack, and that's about it. That's like the height of their success. They go their separate ways, they break up, and it seems like, man, what am I going to do?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: It's he's a few years out of.

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Speaker 1: College, and so he puts together this rock band and he says like he has all these songs in his head, but he hasn't. He doesn't have a band to get together. Like nothing is working out finding band members. Finally he finds this guy to play guitar. They get some other people they like, get a solid band, they get a little bit of a following in the Bay Area, and they finally end up getting signed. There's a lot more interesting stuff to how they get signed, but eventually they get signed, and they sign with Electra Records because what they really want is creative control. So they sign with the label that will give them creative control. They're on the same page. They let Steve produce the album himself co produce it, but where the only part where they have a fight is over the first single because they have this song that's actually a throwback to the Puck and Natty days. It's kind of like the verses are rapped by the lead singer and they feel it doesn't really represent the rest of their music. They don't really want to put it out as the first single, but the labels like, now this is going to be a hit. I mean, it's a weird song too. It has a chorus that basically is a bite of Lou Reed's Walk on the wild Side, and the lyrics are filthy. The lyrics are about sex and drugs, like hardcore drug references, but very poppy, like very radio friendly. And so the wins and they put out the first single, which is semi Charmed Life by Third Eye Blind, and they were the band. The band is right, it doesn't sound like the rest of the record, but the rest of the record is amazing. And you know that there's five singles off that which is crazy all hits, and that first record, you know, blows up and goes whatever, went double platinum or something. I mean, one of my favorite records of the nineties. But that song is a throwback to this hip hop duo that he had, and then an interesting thing that like I didn't even get time to tell in the story, but he apparently was lived up the street from where Linda Perry from Four Non Blondes worked and they would hang out. She was like a waitress and they would hang out and she played him, you know, the four Non Blonde song What's Up? And he played her semi charmed life, and you know, like, these are the songs we're working on, and he's like, thinking back, it was like, you know, millions and millions of records sold from those two songs that we played when we were star irving artists. But yes, that's that's Third Eye Blind.

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Speaker 3: That's such a good story.

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Speaker 2: And it's like that you know what I felt like to me when you ended it was I see dead people and you finally realize that he's a ghost. I was, and you're like, oh, because you called him Steve. And what I start to do, because you will drop little crumbs. You got to identify the crumb because sometimes I go after crumbs and aren't crumbs. And I'm like, okay, he said square house. And by the way, I've missed whatever else that I was supposed to catch, So.

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Speaker 3: That started off blind.

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Speaker 2: One was so good and with your music knowledge, Like, what is your music background? Did you ever have a job where you're like managing somebody, You're a book in somebody?

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Speaker 3: What is it for you?

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Speaker 1: So I was a little bit like I had wanted to work in the music industry. I played in like punk bands my whole life, and I went to this place in Hollywood called the Musicians Institute that had like a music business program. I was not like a great student. I didn't I didn't go to college after high school. I eventually went to community college. But at the time I in my early twenties, I was like, I don't know what to do. So I'm going to go to this music business school. And then I got an internship and then I worked for a little bit at the Whiskey of Go Go in West Hollywood, So I was a booking agent there. But I did not take the music business by storm or anything, and I kind of like realized this is not, you know, like going to be a career. So eventually I went back to school and I went to law school. That was literally my only foray into the music industry. I thought, like I got to do something else to, you know, have a career and have like a more stable life. And then as a hobby, I started doing music stuff. And then now I'm hoping maybe I turned this hobby into my career and I come full circle. So I don't know, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: You went to law school. Are you a lawyer?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: So that's what I thought I was going to do.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I went to law school and I kind of did all the stuff you're supposed to do. I got good grades. My first year, I got like a summer job at this prestigious law firm, and I just hated it and I was not good at it, I'll be honest, and the feeling was mutual. They were like, you're not going to work here, which is kind of like impossible, Like almost everybody who gets the summer.

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Speaker 4: Job they hire you after graduation.

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Speaker 1: And they were like Patrick, No, it was one of those like everybody who's going to be working here, take a step forward, Patrick, not so fast. So yeah, so I graduated without a job, and then I was like I just the experience I got, actually, you know, working in a law firm. I did not want to be a lawyer, so I just you know, transitioned to a kind of like jd preferred job. So it helps that I have a law degree, but I don't actually have to practice law.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that you do these tiktoks, and I assume that takes up a lot of your time because you have to research it, and people, I think a lot of people myself included, at first was just like man, he just rolling this stuff off the dome. But then I started to realize because there was so much information in them, that you were really putting in a lot of work to make these things not only entertaining but information and also a game. Like it's both of those trying to figure it out. Is this what you do all day?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: So so no, I do have a real job. I have like a regular nine to five, and I just squeeze it in when I can.

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Speaker 4: You know, at night.

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Speaker 1: I have two little kids, so trying to put them to bed at night, that's when I'll be doing my research after they go to bed. A lot of times I'm recording lunch breaks, I'm researching. So it, yeah, it takes up a lot of time. It's like all my free time basically, But I do also have a job and a family on top of that, but I do like doing it, so it's all fun.

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Speaker 2: So and this all started because I was reading about a thirty day challenge. Your wife was she the one that suggested the thirty day challenge?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so my wife loves this. Ted talk about doing a thirty day challenge, and it's basically like do something for thirty days, and at the end of the thirty days, like you could have a product, like write a book, you know, work on it every day for thirty days. At the end of it, you have written a book. Maybe it's not a good book, but like you did it. And so it's just kind of, you know, a way to get something jump started. And you know, we always just like to stay creative, do different creative projects. She was like doing an NFT like she was learning all about getting into the NFT world and she designed her own thing and put it up for sale. I don't know, We're always just trying to like do different stuff. And we both were obsessed with TikTok, like we watched it all the time, and so she was like, you need to do something new and creative, do a new thirty day challenge. And I was like, what if I start a TikTok channel. So all the credit to her for the inspiration, but I will say that she laughed at me when I said it was going to be a TikTok channel, and she was like, what are you going to do on TikTok? And I was like, maybe I'll tell music stories. I know a lot of good music stories. And she's like, nobody is going to want to see you tell a music story. So I do rub it in her face a lot that.

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Speaker 3: You're Stephen Jenkins. There we go.

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Speaker 2: You're Stephen Jenkins and she's a sixth grade teacher. That's what it is right there.

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Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast. So my guy here that runs all the video, he's really good.

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Speaker 3: His name is Read.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to see him, but Read. You pulled the microphone up for a second. So I want to move over to a story.

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Speaker 3: Read. Have you seen all the stories?

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Speaker 4: I have?

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Speaker 2: Not?

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Speaker 3: Ok?

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Speaker 2: Actually, so if you don't mind, Patrick, I would like for you and I want read.

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Speaker 3: Read.

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Speaker 2: When you think you know it, just raise your hand and I will stop you. And I'll stop Patrick. But I want Patrick if you don't mind, would you please tell the story that is titled the Rapper who Got Exiled?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, So he's going to tell the story. Read this is what I do.

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Speaker 2: I watch him and I see when I can figure him out. And when you think you know it, just raise your hand.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okat it okay.

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Speaker 1: So this has to do with a rapper doing a promotion that was in conjunction with Walmart. And he's doing this online promotion where whatever Walmart in the United States that fans pick, this rapper will go to this Walmart and do a special appearance there and it's going to be based on a fan vote. And so this rapper is one that is a little bit mimified online and so some people in the online community thought it would be fun to mess with him and send him to the most remote Walmart humanly possible. And a lot of people are in on it, but it's really spearheaded by this journalist who worked for this website something awful, and so he kind of starts this petition. He starts this hashtag exile blank because they find a Walmart location in Alaska, but not even like an anchorage in like an island off the southern coast of Alaska, where like a population of a couple thousand people, and it's like a Walmart that only it has like you know, hunting supplies and snowshoes. It's like a very specific Alaskan Walmart, and it's the most remote one possible. And so of course it's a fan vote, so it starts getting all this attention and it wins by a landslide. I think it's a Facebook vote, but yeah, so this location in Alaska wins by a landslide. And this kind of stuff has happened before with like online votes, and there's usually like a disclaimer like we're not we don't really have to go by what the fans say. Like if you know the story about body mcboat face in England, they didn't really name the boat body mcboat face, Like they reserved the right to not do it. So they could have backed out. They could have been like this was obviously rigged. We're not going to send this this rapper to Alaska. But the rapper is like, I'll go to Alaska. He's like, you know, there probably are some people there who like my music. I'm going to go to Alaska. So he goes, and this guy who was the kind of spearhead of it to David Thorpe, I think it was his name. Walmart is like, do you want to come too? This could be like a good opportunity, but they weren't going to pay for him. They're like, you have to meet us there, but you know you could go, And he was like, well, no, I can't afford to fly to Alaska for a joke. And Pipple it's like, bring that guy too, I will pay for him to go. Oh, I gave up the name myself.

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Speaker 4: That's okay, finish the story.

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Speaker 3: Finish the story.

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Speaker 4: So it is pit Bull.

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Speaker 1: So Pitpull goes to Alaska and does this promotion at this rural remote Walmart. He brings in David Thorpe, who like does photos with him and and it's like this amazing experience because it's this big deal for the town, like everybody comes. They have like traditional Inuit dancers there, and he gives like this motivational speech and actually turns into this like super beautiful moment. And then David Thorpe tells this great story where he's like I got to talk to pit Bull and he's worried, like his pit bull is going to be mad at me, like does he know I was making fun of him? And Pipole basically is just like, there's an expletive involved, but I'll bleep it. But he's basically like, you know what, keep messing with people. Next time we'll be on the moon. I was like, that's the best. That's the best pipple line you could ever have.

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Speaker 2: So again, it's one after another, these awesome stories. But this isn't the first time that I think that you've been creative. Have you written, because obviously there's a lot of writing that goes into this. Have you been a writer at all in other ways?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I always kind of felt like I was supposed to be a writer. My parents are both journalists, so I've always kind of like wanted to be a writer in some capacity.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I had like an MP three blog back in the day when those were cool, and yeah, just like I've written screenplays that was like kind of my hobby before I got into this, which I didn't even like think of it, but most of them did involve music in some way. But yes, I've written screenplays, I've written like articles, but yeah, I had a podcast like I've just always been doing creative stuff. I've never been just a guy who does a job and then you know, go home and watch his TV. I just like, not that there's anything wrong with that, that's just I've always been doing something creative to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You know, my wheelhouse is probably nineties alternative because it's when I grew up, and that was like music.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like music that kind of spoke for me.

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Speaker 2: I felt like country music spoke about where I was from, but I didn't feel like it really spoke like how I felt. But then you had all these bands then they're like, I'm sad, I'm angry, and I.

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Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, I'm twelve, but I feel that.

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Speaker 2: And so what's cool for me now is I get to like spend time with these guys and because you know, they're fifty five, sometimes older than that, and just talk to them a little bit. And I was talking to the lead singer Candlebox that had them on my radio show, and I love Candlebox. Did you know that they were like not really well loved by that grunge world because apparently, I don't know. I guess they came in on the tail end. And since they were a bit different. What do you know about that anything?

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I know, you know, it's like we didn't have this word back then, but the scene was pretty gatekeepy and it was like, you know, if you weren't. I mean, I remember Stone Tumble Pilots too, who I love. People were like, it's not really grunge or you know they There was just so much especially in the nineties, of like who's authentic, who's not authentic? Did you come from this scene? It's like, do you possibly want to make money? If so, you're bad? But as weird as a fan, especially as a kid, it's like I loved all those bands. I love Candleblocks of you know, anybody who was on MTV. Oh, Silverchair was huge.

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Speaker 2: And they were kids too, which I thought was super cool. They were like the cool handsen Dire. Yeah, it was like, you know, you had Hanson and then you had like the cool hands from Australia. But when I was talking to the guys with Candlebox, a bit of the beef towards them was that they had like a song, and that song blew up so big it made them famous quickly. They just almost formed and that everybody was resentful because of not everybody, but in that world was resentful because they just got together. There one song blew up, and here they were playing bigger shows than a lot of the bands that were having success but had been together for ten, fifteen, twenty years or so. I just kind of thought that that was right, that that back from back in the nineties, when everybodys supposed to not care, they sure didn't care a lot.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, it was. Yeah, if you didn't pay your dues, if it was possible, you were, you know, an industry plant, if you know, you were put together. I mean, was that was the knock on? Like Weezer when they first came out. You know, Weezer got a lot of you know, a lot of crap that they were like just corporate pixies or something. But yeah, I mean, doing these stories, every single band went through something, so like every band had failures, every band had struggles, Like nobody really was handed to it on a silver platter. But like, you know, maybe you just didn't know. I mean, like when Third Eye Blind came out, you know, I think like people didn't realize that this guy had been struggling for ten years. I mean, there's so many bands like that were it seems like they came out of nowhere, but you don't know all the bands they were in before, all the stuff they went through.

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Speaker 3: So who do you love?

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like you I grew up with with nineties alternative. I mean, seeing Nirvana for the first time was just like life changing. Smashing Pumpkins was another one that was big for me Green Day and then because I'm watching MTV, like I got into nineties hip hop too, so like you know, right after Smashing Pumpkins, you'd see Snoop, You'd see Dre. You know, I was into jay Z and Notorious Big. So really, like you know, everything.

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Speaker 2: We were lucky enough to have Napster and the introduction of it doesn't matter what your regional music store has or how much they have of it, because there is no regional music store on Napster. It's whatever you want as much as you want to. And I remember I would be so upset with Metallic. I would be like, you shouldn't be downloaded our music for free. And now as an adult, I'm like I was an idiot, Like we thought we deserved all that music were we thought we just deserved it, but it did.

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Speaker 3: Introduce me to again.

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Speaker 2: I was a massive hip hop head as well, and there was a stage where I kind of got out of country music because I'd been in it for so long. That we are lucky because we were here for the first part of kind of the digital music revolution where I don't know about you, but I would just hit letter A and go to sleep and just download every song they started with A.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that was so fun, that being like, oh, in the morning, I'm going to have an album to listen to. No, it's great, I mean it's it's just weird because you just you can't outrun the technology, Like is it right? No, but the technology exists, and as soon as as soon as you knew what the technology was capable of, you knew like it was over. And you know, we've sort of come up with a solution with Spotify and stuff. But I mean, even that, you know, is not the best for artists, but it's just there's there was no like putting the genie back in the bottle when Napster came around.

00:27:01
Speaker 2: So what about AI and these AI songs? Because I found myself enjoying some of them. I heard Kanye doing country music. I've heard Notorious Big doing some NWA stuff, and so like.

00:27:13
Speaker 3: I just heard that easy did you so?

00:27:16
Speaker 4: Yeah doing Boys in the Hood.

00:27:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so legit. I what do you think about?

00:27:21
Speaker 2: Guess personally as a consumer, it's so fun to listen to. How do you feel as someone that is in the industry now about music and AI and how they can quickly make a song that actually wasn't created by anyone except a computer.

00:27:40
Speaker 1: Right, I Mean it's so like the legal side of my brain is so fascinating because like, what are the copyright rules going to be? Who's Let's say you put out one of these AI songs and it becomes a hit, Like who owns that song?

00:27:53
Speaker 4: Is it Notorious Big? It's not really him, is it? You know? Like the.

00:27:59
Speaker 1: NWA is it the person who created the AI? Who told the AI what to make? Like do they get any percentage of it?

00:28:05
Speaker 4: I don't know.

00:28:06
Speaker 1: So it's very fascinating for like, you know, there's all this kind of stuff where there's no rules, so who knows what's gonna happen? Like we're gonna have to you know. It's almost like the beginning of sampling when you had like glory days of eighties sampling, like the Bomb Squad and the early Beastie Boys records where it's just like, let's take every single thing we can imagine and put it on records because there's no real rules yet, and then they had to have cases and invent you know, sampling laws. So I think the same thing is gonna happen with AI, Like people are going to use this to make cool stuff, and then we're gonna have to figure out like, Okay, this is not actually ethical or you know, legal to do, but it's I mean, the possibilities are fascinating.

00:28:48
Speaker 2: I would assume that what what it derives from is who probably will end up making some money. Meaning if they had to go and say this end of this Big e Easy song, well, you've taken parts of Notorious Big like you you've taken him doing something and used it and analyzed and made this song. And you've also taken a song that easy the NBA got they wrote, whomever wrote it, And so I feel like it's going to be a split almost like it is a publishing split.

00:29:26
Speaker 1: Right, They're going to have to figure out the the math on it.

00:29:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, even but like like a I'll have just We'll just be you know, deeping around here, because I'm in a comedy music group, and you can just tell it to write a funny song and it'll it's not that funny yet, but it'll write a funny song. And if we were to record that, I never have to admit it came from AI.

00:29:43
Speaker 3: I just say I did it. There's nothing can do about.

00:29:45
Speaker 1: It, right, No, it's so fascinating. I mean I tried it when Chad Gpt first came out. I tried to get it to write a story in the style of myself, and like it's not there, but it's pretty close. Like it was wrong about a few things, but it gets you pretty close, Like you know it could get there for sure.

00:30:08
Speaker 2: Do the child crooner who became a rock icon, if you don't mind giving me a little bit of that for our listeners.

00:30:15
Speaker 1: Sure, So this one, I remember setting it up. I kind of gave away the reveal pretty early because it's pretty hard to disguise this guy's name. So I think for a while, I just said, like this kid. So, this kid Go is from the Bay Area in northern California. He's like five years old. He goes into this music shop. There's like the local music shop, and the family's musical. The dad is like a jazz drummer and you know, some musicans and family, and the mom maybe wants to get the kids some piano lessons, and the owners of the music store just like taken with this kid. He's got this mop of like blonde curly hair. It's like this charming kid, so like, ooh, can he sing? And he starts singing and they're like, oh my god, this kid is amazing. And it's like a big family, so money's kind of tight. So in order to get the piano lessons, the owners of this music shop also the guy who owns it as a songwriter, and he's like, what if you have your kid record one of my songs and like I'll put it out on my independent label and then like we'll give you some free piano lessons. And so they cut this one song with this little kid singing on it, and on the back he only wrote one song, so on the back is actually an interview with the kid. And they put out and I think it's like, you know, five hundred copies or something like that, and it was, you know, not a hit. It is just circulated locally in the Bay Area. But if you have a copy of this, this seven inch single, it's worth a lot of money because it's the first recording of Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day and then but his name is Billy Joe, and there's no way to really hide that, like like Billy would kind of give it away, like you know, so I kind of went early on that one. But I mean the story is like just so fascinating. It like it gets a little tragic. His dad passes away when he's young, and that kind of forces him to just get deep, deep into music, and he becomes obsessed and he takes guitar lessons, and then he gets into punk rock, and then he meets Mike Dirnt, who you know, just becomes like his kind of musical soulmate for years. And then they start this band in high school, Sweet Children, and then a big part of the story, the big part of the story is Gilman Street in Berkeley, which you know, is this famous music venue, and they get their start there and then when the major labels come calling, they have this push between if we sign with a major label, we're never we're not allowed to play Gilman Street anymore because they had a rule no major labels could play there because it's supposed to be a place for independent bands. But that's like where they got their start, and you know, all the bands they idolized, like Operation IVY were from there. So it was like, je, we stay here and know we're never going to get big, or do we want as many people as possible to hear our music? And so obviously they opted for that one, and you know, became became Green Day that we know and love.

00:33:09
Speaker 4: But yeah, he got to start.

00:33:11
Speaker 1: On as a five year old singing on this song which I can't remember that it's something like for your Love or something with love in it.

00:33:18
Speaker 2: I think when I look back at albums were very instrumental to my i'll call them my formative views. I mean, Dookie is probably a top five album for me because one, it just had so many hits, but two, even when I started to learn how to play music, like the dream was the longview bassline.

00:33:38
Speaker 3: Boomb bomb Bomb.

00:33:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there were so many parts of that record that affected me in so many ways, and the fact that there were only three of them.

00:33:47
Speaker 3: I saw them in concert.

00:33:48
Speaker 2: I seen my concert a few times and I'll give you the quick version of it that they You know, they have people come up and play their instruments.

00:33:54
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Green Day live Patrick.

00:33:56
Speaker 4: In the nineties. Yeah, I saw live.

00:33:57
Speaker 1: I think it was before they before they did the somebody up and play the instrument thing, which I love. I've seen on YouTube.

00:34:03
Speaker 3: It's awesome.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: So they pulled a guy and they're like, all right, who could play the bass?

00:34:07
Speaker 3: And they guy kid who played the drums, the drummer boom were doing good.

00:34:10
Speaker 2: And then they bring the guitar player up and he's like, all right, let's let's get it. And the kids sucked. He didn't want to play guitar. No funniest thing I've ever seen.

00:34:20
Speaker 3: And Bill Joe's like.

00:34:21
Speaker 2: Get the hef off here and he grabs Hi back and plays it with the other two guys. Like one of my favorite concert moments ever. But Doukie was such a big album to me. Concerts though big part of I'm kind of jaded now at this point, but for you, like best concert ever, favorite ever.

00:34:37
Speaker 1: So the best concert I've ever been to, hands down was Prince. I'm a huge Prince fan and I saw him on his Musicology tour in the early two thousands, and like, I don't, you know, I don't love stadium shows. You know, it's just it's hard to get it to sound good and you're way in the back and you're watching on a monitor, Like I could have stayed home, but he was playing at the Anaheim Pond in Anaheim, and I just, you know, I got to see Princes. So I went, even though it was a stadium, and it was like the most intimate concert in my life. Like, I don't know how he does it. Somehow he made it seem like I was. He was in my living room, like just the best performer I've ever seen. Amazing guitar player, like amazing singer. Like it's just insane how much talent this one man had, and like in the studio and live to have all that talent was just blew me away. But that was the best concert, by far I've ever seen.

00:35:33
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00:35:45
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00:35:47
Speaker 2: I used to live in Austin, Texas, loved there for twelve years. And I went to this bar, small outdoor venue, but it was a pretty It wasn't like a grimy outdoor venue.

00:35:59
Speaker 3: It was kind of upscaleish version.

00:36:02
Speaker 2: And so I go and I didn't know they had any music, because there really was anything playing.

00:36:08
Speaker 3: There was no band set up.

00:36:09
Speaker 2: And I get on the elevator and first of all, the elevator won't come down. They're only three floors. The elevator will not calm down, and I'm sitting there forever. And I'm also not gonna walk upstairs because I don't know. I was lazy, loser, and so I keep waiting and it goes to two, and then it sits on two forever, and finally it comes down being it opens and in the elevator this I mean massive dudes. I think four, possibly three massive dudes in this elevator, but I don't think anything about it. I'm gonna get in the elevator and go up. And so they didn't get off, though it was the weird thing. For some reason, it hit one. These big dudes stayed on the elevator and they didn't get so, okay, well they didn't come out. So I just got in and I was gonna go up to three and I look kind of behind me in between the big dudes.

00:36:56
Speaker 3: It's freaking Prince.

00:36:57
Speaker 4: Yes, that's so cool. Anything No, no, I say anything.

00:37:03
Speaker 2: I want to be There are four big dudes in there that didn't want me to say anything. But I just remember being like, holy crap, that's Prince and he was and he had on tall boots like hills, like but he's still I don't know how tall. Prince says, you may if you have team. He was so small that I would have thought it was a woman. And to watch him play guitar like literally one of the best guitar players. I don't think he even gets the credit for how good of a guitar player he is because he wrote and has so many massive hits where he sings that it's easy to forget how elite of a guitar player he was. I would watch some of these shows where he would be on stage playing guitar with other artists who could really play guitar, and it's like when you put eminem on a track, like you don't do that because he will come on and even if it's your song, it will then be the song that, yeah, he'll take it over. And I think Prince is very underrated, and I think people are very under educated on how great of a guitar player and musician that he was. Have you been to Paisley Park or anywhere like that.

00:38:01
Speaker 4: I did.

00:38:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went right at the end of twenty sixteen, you know, right when he passed away. They just opened and I went. I have some family in Minnesota because my mom is from there, so I wanted to go see it right when it opened. And it's pretty amazing, amazing experience. I mean, of all the artists, every story about Prince is insane, like your story about meeting him and he's like four giants. Every story about Prince is insane, and it's like fascinating. But yeah, Paisley Park is really cool. Yeah, he was a special, special guy.

00:38:33
Speaker 2: We were talking before we started this about your podcast, so just to go back over it with you good measure with Patrick Kicks. So on this podcast, what are you getting into? Is it stuff that you've done on TikTok or is it just your general music knowledge about things that have happened and are happening.

00:38:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, so thanks for bringing it up. Yeah. So originally I was like a lot of people were asking me to do a podcast. I was like, all right, I can just take some of my TikTok story and do them in a podcast format, and I was like, that's kind of it's kind of cheating people, Like I got to do fresh stories. So yeah, each episode is three stories basically like what I would do on TikTok, but expand it out so instead of five minutes, they're like ten to fifteen minutes and just more in depth. And then there's like a central theme. So like the first episode is about going solo because you know, I was doing doing a podcast on my own. So it's like artists from bands that were not successful that then became successful solo artists. So three different stories on that theme, and then I bring in clips of interviews and you know, play the music obviously, and yeah, it's just like a little more in depth in the than the TikTok for people who want to go deeper. It's a little more serious, like the you know, the Tic TACs. I try not to be too depressing, so if a story is too too tragic, you know, people might not want to watch that when they're scrolling through dance videos. But so we talk about a little more some more of the tragic rock and roll stories like Elliott Smith and stuff like that, where it really kind of deserves more than just a couple of minutes on TikTok. So it was a lot of fun. There's a lot of work. I'm doing it in seasons. That's kind of the only way to keep saying. So I just finished the first season and then season two TBD.

00:40:23
Speaker 3: Good Measure with Patrick Kicks.

00:40:25
Speaker 2: If you likes Tiktoks, I think I'm going to go and check it out, actually subscribe to the freaking podcast because again, to me, I'm lucky enough to get to have big stars actually come to my house, right, And it's weird sometimes when somebody comes into my house and we do this. But I I was really excited to talk to you today because to me, you're like the coolest. Could you talk about things that I care about? And I see you. I probably see you on my phone more than I see my wife. So two more things I want to do so and then we we'll wrap this up. But will you give me the country star who wanted to rock? Because I think my audience will love that.

00:41:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I didn't do this one as a reveal. Do you want me to do it reveal style or just regular?

00:41:06
Speaker 2: I just think the story's so good I just want to want nobody hear the story.

00:41:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is about Tanya Tucker, who I was going to see. So I wanted to do a story about her. First of all, amazing show. She's so good live. I really feel like, no matter what style of music you like, watch Tanya Tucker because she like had the audience in the palm of her hand and so so. But I wanted to tell the story of her like rock and roll record, which I thought it was just really fascinating. So Tanya Tucker gets her start as a child star. She has her first you know single when she's like thirteen years old, and is you know, like anytime there's a child star, they're very like, okay, we want them to be a child and never grow up, and they're very like this, she must be innocent and pure forever. And she has all this massive success, like she had her greatest hits album when she was fifteen, which is just you know, this is insane pressure to put on a kid. So she grows up a little and she wants to like expand and she wants to do this rock and roll record, and she gets this new management team who had never worked with a country star they wanted to help a country star crossover, and you know, she was big in country, and she wanted to be like a superstar, you know, across across the board, which I think she deserved to do. You know, she she wanted to be like the Taylor Swift of her day. So she goes to put out this rock and roll record, but then she has this listening party in Nashville and everybody like hates it. Everybody's like what is this and she's devastated. She's like, I've ruined my career by going rock and roll. And so the album is called TNT, which, like you now you think putting it on, like this is gonna be a CDC or something. It's not that hardcore, like it is very still like you know, country country rock. And she heard the rock and roll songs are like not Fade Away by Buddy Holly, but kind of done in the Rolling Stone style, Chuck Berry, like Elvis, that kind of rock and roll. It's like, it's not that, but apparently it was like too much for people to handle. And she's like, that's it. I ruined my career. I destroyed my career. And then everybody sees the album artwork, and it causes this like uproar because this innocent, you know, child star is now grown up and has like a sexy album cover which looks very tame by today's standards, like people probably might know the record, so like on the front she has a microphone like cord between her legs and she's wearing tight pants, but it's still like pretty tame. And then on the inside there was a poster which if you watch like the I think it's the A and E biography on Tanya Tucker. I think Travis Tritt is like I had that poster up on my wall. I didn't like I did dirty thing, so that Tanya Tucker poster. But it's just hurting like a red jumpsuit and she's standing backwards and just tight pants and her back is out. It's really not that scandals but everybody, like the reviews were like she's gone full sex kit and like she's this is so scandalous. And she's not super proud of that record, like she has said like maybe that was a mistake, but it ended up being her biggest selling record, like she you know, she's sold a lot of copies of it. I think it's not a bad record, but in her biography in the nineties she said that she regretted doing it, but I like it and she's just one of my heroes, like she's fantastic.

00:44:22
Speaker 2: All right, final thing here, everybody go follow Patrick Hicks eighty two on TikTok And if you've listened this far into this podcast, you're obviously a music fan like I am, and so I just really recommend you do it. Also, the podcast Good Measure with Patrick Kicks it is there for you.

00:44:41
Speaker 3: And so no spoiler on the story.

00:44:44
Speaker 2: I didn't want to ask you who's next, because because I don't, then I won't get to play, you know, and I really look forward to to get into play. How many do you have done written already as of righte this moment?

00:44:57
Speaker 3: Last question?

00:44:57
Speaker 1: None really, so I don't write a script, so none are really written ahead of time. I do have one that's recorded and ready to go, but it's not really a spoiler. So if you saw the video I posted yesterday, it's actually just a continuation of that video.

00:45:14
Speaker 4: But that's it.

00:45:14
Speaker 1: I don't plan that far in advance because I kind of just go, like what am I feeling? You know, it's still just a hobby for me. So I want it to be fun. I want it to be fun for me, and like what story is grabbing me today that I want to tell? So I have no idea what's going to be. Next week we'll find out. I have some ideas, but I have no idea what it's actually going to be.

00:45:33
Speaker 3: He's a rock and roll he doesn't know, he care. I just living live. You know, whatever happens happens.

00:45:37
Speaker 2: I know more rock and roll than that, Patrick, honestly, big fan. It's it's so cool that, you know, I mean, for me, this is the coolest thing that I get to talk to you.

00:45:46
Speaker 1: So thank you, dud, Thank you so much. Yeah, anytime you want me back.

00:45:51
Speaker 3: Oh, don't say that, I'll be calling you at home.

00:45:52
Speaker 2: Hey man, we're not recording or anything, but you want to talk about so.

00:45:56
Speaker 3: So yeah, let's I'd love to talk to you again.

00:45:58
Speaker 2: Keep up the good work and hopefully, and I do think it'll happen, you'll be able to do this for a living.

00:46:04
Speaker 3: Is that the goal?

00:46:05
Speaker 1: That's yeah, totally the goal. I mean it wasn't when I started, but you know, it's like cool stuff keeps happening. You know, I'm getting opportunities to do like partnerships with record labels and you know, stuff I never thought was possible. So I'm hoping TV show or sponsorship or something.

00:46:21
Speaker 4: You know.

00:46:22
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Patrick, thank you for your time, buddy, Hope you have a good day.

00:46:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you too, man, Thank you so much all.

00:46:27
Speaker 3: I love this episode of The Bobby Cast.

00:46:30
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