247 | From Frustration to Confidence: Why Theoretical Adherence Matters in Play Therapy

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get

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a master class in child-centered play therapy

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and practical support and application for your

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work with children and their families.

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In today's episode,

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we are talking about a concept that is near and dear to my heart.

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For those of you that have been with me for a long time,

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you're not going to be surprised at all.

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If you are new to the podcast,

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first of all,

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so glad you're here.

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Welcome.

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We're happy to have you into the Play Therapy Podcast family.

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But we're going to be diving into adherence today.

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With a little bit of a twist,

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I suppose,

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because this is the last curriculum podcast of 2024.

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And

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I'm going to pose a question at the end,

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and I want you all to give me some feedback,

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but I'm going to tease it with a whole bunch of information first.

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So just go with me on this crazy episode journey.

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Before we get into that,

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I hope that you all have a wonderful

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celebration of the new year.

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Happy 2025.

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Really excited to start a new year with you all and thank you for an incredible 2024.

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Really,

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really appreciative and thankful for each and every one of you.

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So hope you had a lovely Christmas and Hanukkah.

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I hope that you have a wonderful New Year's celebration.

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And as we dive into 2025,

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lots of exciting things in store.

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Speaking of what's coming up this coming Friday,

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so

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on the 3rd,

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we are having our live podcast event.

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So many of you have already registered.

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I'm really excited about that,

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very much looking forward to it.

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And I wanted to give you a little sneak peek of what you can expect.

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So we've never done this before.

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So if you are new to the podcast and you think this is a pretty

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consistent event,

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it is not.

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It is our inaugural podcast event.

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So I would love to have you there.

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Let me give you a little bit of background and really kind of what to expect.

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So first and foremost,

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I really want to just put faces with names.

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I want to be able to meet my listeners and I'm air quoting me that you can't see,

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but

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I really want you to.

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Have a connection.

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I want to have a connection.

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I want there to be accessibility,

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and

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I know that thousands of you listen,

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and I would love to be able to actually see some of your faces and interact with you.

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So,

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that's,

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I guess,

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agenda number one.

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Number 2,

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I would love to give you,

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for those of you that are not coaching participants

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and those of you that are not Collective members,

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I'd love to give you a little taste of what those are like because my

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collective members and coaching participants get to

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interact with me live every single week.

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I know my podcast listeners only get to interact with me.

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a monologue,

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you just listen to me.

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I would like you to actually have some interactions.

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So what I've let all of my coaching and Collective people know

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is that if you are on the call,

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the coaching and Collective people are not to engage in the live

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Q&A because they get to do that with me every week.

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So it is specifically for my podcast listeners that do not have access to me

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to do a live Q&A.

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So the first 20 or so minutes of the podcast

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is going to be an actual podcast episode that we will release.

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We're going to devote a pretty large chunk of time

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to Q&A and anything that you would like to share.

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So think about your best question,

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the thing that you have a burning desire to get an answer to and bring that with you.

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If we run out of time,

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if we get to our hour mark,

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and I've not been able to address all the questions,

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we will have everyone chat them,

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and then I will be able to answer those in

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a podcast episode and or in a future live event.

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So that's kind of the the process and I want you to know what we're going

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to be talking about on this live call on January 3rd at 2 p.m. Eastern.

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We're going to be talking about impact.

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And if you attend,

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I'm going to give you a link

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to access my 2.5 hour conference workshop

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on mindset from Australia.

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And a lot of what I talk about in that

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mindset workshop is the impact that we want to have,

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how to be inspired and how to really focus on what we want to achieve

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with our career and with our professional lives.

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So we're going to dive into impact together as the podcast episode.

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And also I'll give you access to a link if you're on the live call.

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So please register in the show notes.

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You will see the link to sign up for that

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live podcast meeting

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January 3rd at 2 p.m. Eastern.

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All right,

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so that's all the housekeeping stuff.

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Let's dive into

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adherence today.

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And here's

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Oh gosh,

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my brain's going in so many directions.

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Here's what I think we need to focus on first,

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because we're gonna dive into a whole bunch of different facets of this,

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but let's start with,

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I think the

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precursor.

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If you look back at the history of play therapy.

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There used to be only child-centered.

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If you look back to origins,

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if you look back to

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the progression

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of play therapy.

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child-centered play therapy was it?

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in the last 20-30 years,

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we've seen this divergence,

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a split,

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if you will.

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I,

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I tend to call it a fracture,

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but that might be a little extreme language.

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I've noticed though,

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that now all of a sudden,

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all of these other theoretical models

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in play,

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and all of these other approaches and

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other theoretical orientations

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have become a part of play therapy.

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when we talk about adherence.

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I know some of you are

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fully 100% all in adherent to CCPT

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and I'm giving you a high five across the airwaves.

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For those of you that are not,

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and I,

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and I know many of you are not,

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and first of all,

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I'm so glad that you're listening to this podcast because

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I hope and pray that this podcast

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inspires you to become fully adherent to CCPT.

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I don't think you'd be listening if it wasn't drawing you in,

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and that's exactly what it does.

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I really truly hope that you,

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you,

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you're all in CCPT.

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And this is the gateway for you,

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but I know many of you are not.

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I get plenty of emails

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all day every day from listeners that ask about other theoretical orientations and

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about activities and about directives and how do we do this with CCPT and

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so I know,

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even though,

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gosh,

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I wish,

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Lord willing,

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I wish that everyone in this world that did play therapy with CCPT.

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I,

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I'm not.

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Shy or ashamed to say that.

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I know that's not the reality.

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So let me say this,

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even if you are not

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all in CCPT,

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Be all in on something.

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Go all in Adlerian.

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Go all in Jungian.

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Go all in whatever you want to be all in on theoretically.

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choose what your theoretical model is

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and be adherent.

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honestly,

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it is my hope,

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it is my passion,

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it is the thing that

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I would say keeps me up at night,

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but I'm actually a really good sleeper,

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so I can't use that analogy.

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What consumes my waking hours,

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that's a much better one.

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What consumes my waking hours

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a world full of play therapists that are fully adherent to CCPT.

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It's why I do this.

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It's why I coach and train and speak and do two podcasts.

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It's,

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it drives every bit

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of what I do.

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It's to preserve and advance the classical CCPT model.

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It,

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it's the most important thing for me professionally.

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But I realized that not everyone is there.

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So when we talk about adherence,

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I think I've maybe missed

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podcast episodes in the past.

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I know that I've referenced it and I've

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talked about it and I've answered questions from listeners

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that relate to adherence,

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but I've never spent an entire episode on it,

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so here we are,

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the last one of the,

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of the year.

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Why?

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I think we need to dive into.

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The rationale for being adherent.

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Because I have so many therapists that email me and

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talk to me and ask me questions and say,

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I just feel like I'm not getting anywhere with this client.

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I just feel like we're not making the gains that we should.

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I just,

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I don't know if this is working.

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I'm not sure that I'm,

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I'm seeing any progress.

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I,

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and there's all of this confusion,

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and there's all of this frustration,

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and there's all of this unknown.

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And all I hear in all of it,

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while I'm trying to honor the questions and I'm trying to meet people where they are,

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all I hear in all of it is,

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you're all over the place theoretically,

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and of course you're not seeing the progress and the gains that you're that you want.

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So let's,

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let's dive in a little bit here.

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I wanna be really clear,

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if I'm gonna end the

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the year on an episode,

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this is the one,

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because we have rationale

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for being adherent.

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And I've said it once,

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I've said it 1000 times,

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and I will continue to die on this sword.

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If you consider yourself to be an eclectic therapist,

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you need to not

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Said with love and grace and understanding,

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and I know that we're trained that way in school and

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I know we have to learn every theoretical model in school

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and I know we're told to be all things to all

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people and we have to meet clients where they are.

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I'm sorry,

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that's great for adults,

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it's not great for kids.

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It's not actually great for adults.

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Let's be real.

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Everyone needs a theoretical orientation.

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I,

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I'm not even,

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I'm not even gonna try to meet that where it is.

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No,

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every single therapist,

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I don't care your population,

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you need to have a theoretical underpinning and you need to stick to it.

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But I understand in theory why when you are learning to work with adults,

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you learn all of the theories

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so that you can

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be exposed to them and find the one that you

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think is the best fit for you but unfortunately that's not what's happening.

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What's happening

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is that we're exposed to all of these theories and

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we think that we need to integrate all of them.

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And we think that we're being effective

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by bringing all of these theoretical models into our practice.

291
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It's hogwash.

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So,

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here's

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why we're talking about this,

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because

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the only way that we know a model works.

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is by the empirical data

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that confirms

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that it's valid.

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Right?

301
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We have theoretical models that have been tested and proven.

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Here's what you need to,

303
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here,

304
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here's what you need to figure out,

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y'all.

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The only reason that it's proven effective is because

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the person that did the testing was adherent to the model.

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Are,

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are we grasping this?

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I,

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I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here,

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but

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let's be really clear.

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I don't care what theory you're using.

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Please,

316
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Lord,

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CCPT,

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but

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I don't care what theory you're using.

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The only way that we know it works is when there's adherence.

321
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If it has been proven effective.

322
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It was proven effective

323
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by someone who tested it wholly.

324
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That theory

325
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So when we deviate,

326
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when we are not wholly child-centered.

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We lose all support and validation for what we're doing.

328
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And I,

329
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I know a lot of therapists argue

330
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that

331
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To be ethical,

332
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we have to

333
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use our clinical judgment,

334
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and we have to eclectically decide how we're going to handle

335
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this case with this client,

336
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with this presenting issue with blah blah blah.

337
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Hard no.

338
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What we need to do ethically.

339
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I know our craft and adhere to it

340
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because that's the only thing that we can fall back on

341
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to justify why we're doing what we're doing

342
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if we're all over the map and we're being eclectic with everything we do,

343
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we don't have any results

344
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because we can't even prove that what we're doing has a theoretical backing.

345
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Oh,

346
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well,

347
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I did a little bit of EBT and then I did a little bit of CBT

348
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and I did a little bit of DBT and I did a little bit of whatever.

349
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What?

350
00:12:05,049 --> 00:12:05,849
No,

351
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you have to have a theoretical underpinning

352
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and you have to be able to say,

353
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I know this is going to work because here's the data that proves it.

354
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So,

355
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first and foremost,

356
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we don't have any empirical validation or support for anything that we do

357
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if we don't adhere to the theory.

358
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So that's justification number 1.

359
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#2,

360
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we know

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that when we adhere to a model of any kind,

362
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We have better outcomes and gains.

363
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Why?

364
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Because it's pure and holly,

365
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that theory,

366
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which means we know it will work.

367
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You know that there are lots and lots of theories and psychological approaches that

368
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have been thrown out into the world that have died on the vine.

369
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Why?

370
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Because they didn't work.

371
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The ones that

372
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we learn about in school,

373
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the ones that are in texts,

374
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all of the theories when you,

375
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when you do intro to theories or counseling theories course in grad school,

376
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why do we take that?

377
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Because it exposes us to the theories that have been proven effective.

378
00:13:04,859 --> 00:13:05,559
And guess what?

379
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Our outcomes and gains are there

380
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because when we follow the model,

381
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we know that it works.

382
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I don't know how,

383
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when or why.

384
00:13:14,789 --> 00:13:14,950
Well,

385
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I can kinda guess,

386
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but I don't know how,

387
00:13:17,070 --> 00:13:19,820
when or why this field started

388
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bending to this idea

389
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that we're supposed to be eclectic.

390
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Never have I ever

391
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met a therapist that was eclectic

392
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that was doing right by their clients.

393
00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:32,679
Not once.

394
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I have discovery calls all the time.

395
00:13:36,289 --> 00:13:38,080
Anyone who wants to do coaching with me,

396
00:13:38,190 --> 00:13:39,989
I do a 30 minute Zoom call with them.

397
00:13:41,090 --> 00:13:43,390
And when I talk to people and they say,

398
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well,

399
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,400
I work with kids as young as 4,

400
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and then I work with adults up to 90,

401
00:13:47,539 --> 00:13:49,469
and I have 50 cases

402
00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:52,880
and with my kids I do mostly CCPT,

403
00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:55,719
but I do some directive activities and I do a little bit

404
00:13:55,719 --> 00:13:58,469
of worksheets and I do a little bit of CBT play therapy.

405
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And then with my teens,

406
00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:02,580
I do a mix of this and this and then with my adults,

407
00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,320
I love EMDR and I'm trauma focused and I'm doing the

408
00:14:07,119 --> 00:14:07,679
Holy Moses,

409
00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,559
it makes me exhausted listening to it.

410
00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:11,739
And guess what?

411
00:14:12,030 --> 00:14:13,429
If you are a jack of all trades,

412
00:14:13,510 --> 00:14:14,750
you are a master of none.

413
00:14:16,489 --> 00:14:18,400
There is not a chance in this world

414
00:14:19,049 --> 00:14:21,359
that you are effective at any of those things

415
00:14:21,570 --> 00:14:24,479
when you're dipping your toe in every single one of those pools.

416
00:14:25,510 --> 00:14:26,809
You wanna know how you're effective,

417
00:14:26,890 --> 00:14:28,299
you wanna know how you know you're going to

418
00:14:28,299 --> 00:14:30,140
get the gains and the outcomes that you want.

419
00:14:30,289 --> 00:14:31,849
You wanna know how you know that you

420
00:14:31,849 --> 00:14:34,119
have empirical validation for what you're doing.

421
00:14:34,450 --> 00:14:36,159
You pick your theory and you stick to it.

422
00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,340
And you hone your craft

423
00:14:38,549 --> 00:14:40,820
and you're all in on that one thing and guess what,

424
00:14:40,950 --> 00:14:42,700
you become a master of that one thing.

425
00:14:44,330 --> 00:14:46,190
And then you can say,

426
00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,669
I know this is going to help you.

427
00:14:48,409 --> 00:14:52,000
I know exactly what this process is going to look like for you therapeutically.

428
00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:54,390
Because we can trust

429
00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:55,469
the process.

430
00:14:56,570 --> 00:14:58,000
That's validation #2.

431
00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:58,880
3rd,

432
00:14:59,250 --> 00:15:01,989
you will be far less frustrated as a clinician

433
00:15:02,409 --> 00:15:03,159
if you adhere.

434
00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,049
I cannot tell you the amount of frustration that I witness

435
00:15:08,599 --> 00:15:10,200
in therapists that talk to me

436
00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:11,750
when they are not

437
00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,200
all in on their theory.

438
00:15:14,419 --> 00:15:17,729
I just feel like I don't know what I'm doing and I'm always second guessing myself and

439
00:15:17,890 --> 00:15:20,090
if one more therapist says they have imposter syndrome,

440
00:15:20,179 --> 00:15:20,650
oh my gosh,

441
00:15:20,729 --> 00:15:21,960
I might come unhinged.

442
00:15:22,650 --> 00:15:25,080
The reason why we say all these things is because

443
00:15:25,250 --> 00:15:26,640
we don't adhere to a model.

444
00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:28,479
I have never,

445
00:15:28,590 --> 00:15:29,330
this isn't to boast,

446
00:15:29,390 --> 00:15:30,239
this is not to brag.

447
00:15:30,309 --> 00:15:32,869
I want to share my experience with you because it

448
00:15:32,869 --> 00:15:35,750
will be juxtaposed to a lot of your experiences.

449
00:15:37,059 --> 00:15:37,859
I learned

450
00:15:38,169 --> 00:15:39,479
child-centered play therapy

451
00:15:40,049 --> 00:15:41,440
in my master's program.

452
00:15:42,010 --> 00:15:43,690
I took a graduate certificate in it.

453
00:15:44,750 --> 00:15:46,489
I dove into working with kids.

454
00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:48,450
It's all I've done for 20 years.

455
00:15:49,969 --> 00:15:51,059
In 2025,

456
00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:52,659
I hit my 20 year mark.

457
00:15:53,359 --> 00:15:55,299
And wow am I thankful for that.

458
00:15:55,710 --> 00:15:57,940
Two decades of getting to do this for a job,

459
00:15:58,349 --> 00:15:59,070
making a living,

460
00:15:59,229 --> 00:16:00,510
helping kids and their families,

461
00:16:00,590 --> 00:16:02,590
and now training therapists and counselors.

462
00:16:02,750 --> 00:16:04,150
What a gift it has been to me.

463
00:16:06,330 --> 00:16:06,450
Uh,

464
00:16:06,489 --> 00:16:06,880
on a,

465
00:16:06,969 --> 00:16:08,760
on a minute by minute basis.

466
00:16:09,250 --> 00:16:10,530
I am so grateful for it.

467
00:16:11,450 --> 00:16:12,679
Here's why I'm bringing this up.

468
00:16:12,969 --> 00:16:15,479
I've only ever done child-centered play therapy,

469
00:16:15,690 --> 00:16:16,289
only ever.

470
00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:20,330
I've never incorporated any other theory.

471
00:16:20,539 --> 00:16:22,049
I've never done anything else.

472
00:16:22,099 --> 00:16:23,650
I've never worked with adults.

473
00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:24,260
I've,

474
00:16:24,299 --> 00:16:25,710
I've never deviated.

475
00:16:26,219 --> 00:16:27,809
It's been 3 to 14

476
00:16:28,179 --> 00:16:31,729
CCPT all in from the get go and guess what?

477
00:16:32,109 --> 00:16:33,739
I've never once been frustrated.

478
00:16:34,750 --> 00:16:35,169
I mean,

479
00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:36,500
OK,

480
00:16:36,580 --> 00:16:37,460
let me clarify.

481
00:16:37,820 --> 00:16:39,090
I get frustrated all the time.

482
00:16:39,299 --> 00:16:40,929
I've never once been frustrated

483
00:16:41,099 --> 00:16:43,059
to figure out if what I'm doing is working.

484
00:16:44,729 --> 00:16:45,640
I've never once

485
00:16:45,770 --> 00:16:46,969
felt like I'm an impostor.

486
00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,880
I've never once second guessed.

487
00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:51,809
Whether or not what,

488
00:16:51,940 --> 00:16:54,789
what I'm trying to do with this client is going to work.

489
00:16:55,219 --> 00:16:55,580
Why?

490
00:16:56,380 --> 00:16:57,969
Because I know CCPT.

491
00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:00,409
It's all I do,

492
00:17:00,780 --> 00:17:02,210
and I can trust the process.

493
00:17:03,599 --> 00:17:05,500
Are there things that are frustrating?

494
00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:05,750
Sure.

495
00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,400
Are there times when it doesn't go as planned?

496
00:17:07,479 --> 00:17:07,949
Of course.

497
00:17:08,118 --> 00:17:11,098
Are there all kinds of hiccups along the way unequivocally?

498
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,010
But I've never once experienced the frustration

499
00:17:14,010 --> 00:17:16,380
that so many therapists expressed to me,

500
00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,270
and it's because I've only ever done one thing.

501
00:17:19,719 --> 00:17:20,030
Now,

502
00:17:20,239 --> 00:17:20,598
you say,

503
00:17:20,709 --> 00:17:20,790
oh,

504
00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:21,209
that's great,

505
00:17:21,219 --> 00:17:21,589
Brenna,

506
00:17:21,598 --> 00:17:22,000
good for you,

507
00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:22,368
but look,

508
00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:23,709
I didn't have that luxury.

509
00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:25,760
I'm just now finding out about CCPT.

510
00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:27,989
I didn't even know this existed 5 years ago.

511
00:17:28,118 --> 00:17:30,469
I wish I would have known about this at the start of my career.

512
00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:31,270
OK,

513
00:17:31,439 --> 00:17:31,880
but guess what,

514
00:17:31,959 --> 00:17:32,760
you're here now?

515
00:17:33,369 --> 00:17:35,030
And this is a fork in the road for you.

516
00:17:35,949 --> 00:17:37,900
You can this very moment.

517
00:17:38,959 --> 00:17:41,479
You can at this very moment say,

518
00:17:41,969 --> 00:17:46,540
never again will I do anything other than CCPT as long as I work in this field.

519
00:17:47,369 --> 00:17:48,160
It's a choice

520
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,000
It's that simple.

521
00:17:51,819 --> 00:17:52,920
You either say

522
00:17:53,260 --> 00:17:57,500
this is the road I want to be on and this is the only path and I'm all in.

523
00:17:58,380 --> 00:18:01,380
Or you keep floundering and you keep getting frustrated and you keep

524
00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:04,150
second guessing and you keep wondering what the heck's going on.

525
00:18:04,540 --> 00:18:05,390
It's a choice.

526
00:18:06,459 --> 00:18:08,050
I chose it 20 years ago.

527
00:18:08,140 --> 00:18:09,530
I've never once regretted it.

528
00:18:10,910 --> 00:18:11,260
Why?

529
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:12,270
Because it works.

530
00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:14,979
And because it's incredible,

531
00:18:15,349 --> 00:18:17,719
it's the best thing in this entire world.

532
00:18:18,939 --> 00:18:19,140
It,

533
00:18:19,219 --> 00:18:19,329
it,

534
00:18:19,420 --> 00:18:19,500
I,

535
00:18:19,579 --> 00:18:20,489
I can say that,

536
00:18:20,859 --> 00:18:23,729
I can say that with 100% confidence.

537
00:18:24,099 --> 00:18:26,500
Doing CCPT being CCPT,

538
00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,930
it is the best thing in the whole world.

539
00:18:28,869 --> 00:18:30,969
I don't know why anyone would want to do anything else.

540
00:18:32,729 --> 00:18:34,560
It eliminates all of your frustration.

541
00:18:36,729 --> 00:18:37,300
Also,

542
00:18:37,449 --> 00:18:39,760
it preserves the relationship with your kids.

543
00:18:41,959 --> 00:18:42,079
We,

544
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,199
we go back to this all the time,

545
00:18:43,239 --> 00:18:43,819
don't we?

546
00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:45,750
Because the number one thing

547
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,890
that trumps everything else is the relationship.

548
00:18:50,670 --> 00:18:53,459
When we are fully adherent to CCPT.

549
00:18:54,430 --> 00:18:57,349
It 100% preserves the relationship.

550
00:18:57,609 --> 00:19:00,849
There is never a moment where the relationship gets fractured.

551
00:19:02,339 --> 00:19:03,250
Guess what happens

552
00:19:03,380 --> 00:19:07,189
when a relationship gets ruptured or fractured or there's some kind of breach.

553
00:19:08,329 --> 00:19:09,319
It's when we

554
00:19:10,010 --> 00:19:11,199
Aren't adherent.

555
00:19:13,010 --> 00:19:14,540
It's when we take detours.

556
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,540
It's when we second guess ourselves and we throw something in at the last minute.

557
00:19:19,949 --> 00:19:21,819
It's when we make them do a worksheet.

558
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:23,579
It's when we

559
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,390
do whatever.

560
00:19:26,729 --> 00:19:28,319
It's when we deviate.

561
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,709
That we have breaches in the relationship.

562
00:19:32,530 --> 00:19:33,920
When we are fully adherent,

563
00:19:34,050 --> 00:19:34,959
that never happens.

564
00:19:36,969 --> 00:19:39,099
Why would we jeopardize or risk

565
00:19:39,349 --> 00:19:40,739
the relationship

566
00:19:41,229 --> 00:19:43,630
to do something that we don't even think is going to work?

567
00:19:44,810 --> 00:19:46,609
We know being adherent works.

568
00:19:47,739 --> 00:19:49,619
To me this is so simple and

569
00:19:49,979 --> 00:19:50,040
I,

570
00:19:50,099 --> 00:19:52,489
I'm not trying to come across as

571
00:19:53,020 --> 00:19:54,449
judgmental or critical.

572
00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:54,660
I,

573
00:19:54,699 --> 00:19:55,849
I hope you know my heart.

574
00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:58,650
This is to encourage you not to defeat you.

575
00:19:58,819 --> 00:20:00,900
So please know that I really,

576
00:20:01,030 --> 00:20:01,060
uh,

577
00:20:01,180 --> 00:20:02,380
this is meant to

578
00:20:02,699 --> 00:20:04,420
help you get on a path and say,

579
00:20:04,479 --> 00:20:04,699
OK,

580
00:20:04,780 --> 00:20:05,020
yes,

581
00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:06,170
this is what I wanna do.

582
00:20:06,380 --> 00:20:09,260
And and let me pause here because I'm gonna take a detour and come back.

583
00:20:10,329 --> 00:20:12,150
If you have been on the fence,

584
00:20:12,369 --> 00:20:13,479
and you're not quite sure,

585
00:20:13,569 --> 00:20:13,770
you're,

586
00:20:13,849 --> 00:20:14,729
you're right on the fence,

587
00:20:14,810 --> 00:20:17,800
you're half on CCPT and you're half on something else.

588
00:20:19,030 --> 00:20:19,859
If you

589
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:25,209
do not feel in the depth of who you are at your very soul.

590
00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:27,719
That CCPT is

591
00:20:27,930 --> 00:20:29,079
the fit for you.

592
00:20:29,329 --> 00:20:30,839
If you don't just know it.

593
00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:33,959
If there's not this thing oozing out of you going,

594
00:20:34,170 --> 00:20:35,160
oh my gosh,

595
00:20:35,329 --> 00:20:38,000
CCPT is what I am meant to do,

596
00:20:38,050 --> 00:20:39,300
I have no doubt.

597
00:20:40,349 --> 00:20:41,060
Maybe

598
00:20:41,550 --> 00:20:43,339
this isn't the theoretical model for you.

599
00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:47,000
Not everyone is cut out to do CCPT,

600
00:20:47,410 --> 00:20:48,400
and that's OK.

601
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,390
That's why other theories exist.

602
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,430
If that's you and you're like,

603
00:20:53,439 --> 00:20:53,790
Brenna,

604
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:53,959
look,

605
00:20:54,079 --> 00:20:54,479
I just,

606
00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:54,880
you're,

607
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:55,790
you're so into this.

608
00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:57,829
I don't know if I'm totally into this.

609
00:20:58,430 --> 00:20:59,880
Find what you're totally into.

610
00:21:01,150 --> 00:21:02,520
Please take some time,

611
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:04,280
do some assessments,

612
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,829
explore some theories,

613
00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:08,040
figure out what makes sense for you,

614
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,229
what resonates with you,

615
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,670
and be all in on that.

616
00:21:12,939 --> 00:21:13,400
So,

617
00:21:13,579 --> 00:21:13,819
if,

618
00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:15,589
if CCPT is not your thing,

619
00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:17,770
I get it and continue to listen to the podcast.

620
00:21:17,859 --> 00:21:20,219
I'm I'm happy for you to be a part of this family.

621
00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:24,390
But figure out what theory you're going to be and go all in.

622
00:21:26,199 --> 00:21:28,209
But to preserve the relationship,

623
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,150
we know

624
00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:30,959
that we need to be fully adherent.

625
00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:32,329
And

626
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:34,339
we don't ever wanna fracture something.

627
00:21:35,719 --> 00:21:36,410
So,

628
00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:37,790
by doing so,

629
00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:39,550
that's our easiest path.

630
00:21:40,719 --> 00:21:41,560
Next rationale,

631
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,160
it makes very clear expectations for everybody.

632
00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:46,589
This is for your client,

633
00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:48,270
this is for parents,

634
00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:49,969
this is for other stakeholders,

635
00:21:50,180 --> 00:21:51,130
this is for you.

636
00:21:53,050 --> 00:21:54,829
If you're all over the map and you're

637
00:21:54,829 --> 00:21:57,020
throwing all of these theoretical orientations in.

638
00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:58,500
And you're like,

639
00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:58,680
well,

640
00:21:58,719 --> 00:22:00,869
I might do a little bit of this and then I'll sprinkle in some this,

641
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,030
and then we might do a worksheet one day and then I'll have them do an activity,

642
00:22:04,099 --> 00:22:06,040
and then we'll sing a song and then we'll go walk

643
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,689
around and do a nature hunt and collect pine cones,

644
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:09,589
whatever.

645
00:22:11,010 --> 00:22:12,469
No one knows what's going on.

646
00:22:13,550 --> 00:22:14,430
The kid doesn't know,

647
00:22:14,510 --> 00:22:15,540
the parents don't know,

648
00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:16,750
you don't know,

649
00:22:17,189 --> 00:22:18,500
stakeholders don't know.

650
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,420
Everyone is confused.

651
00:22:21,010 --> 00:22:23,060
Expectations have not been communicated,

652
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:23,949
and guess what?

653
00:22:24,069 --> 00:22:24,949
Clear is kind.

654
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,640
I love that phrase,

655
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:28,439
clear as kind.

656
00:22:29,699 --> 00:22:32,290
You need to be clear on what you're doing and why.

657
00:22:33,739 --> 00:22:36,010
The only way to do that is to be fully adherent.

658
00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:38,670
Because you have clarity

659
00:22:39,030 --> 00:22:41,119
when you know you're going to be CCPT.

660
00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:41,790
That's it.

661
00:22:42,979 --> 00:22:43,920
I'm child-centered.

662
00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:46,329
Here are the skills I'm gonna be using.

663
00:22:46,660 --> 00:22:47,729
Here's the rationale.

664
00:22:47,979 --> 00:22:49,689
Here's the philosophical underpinning.

665
00:22:50,099 --> 00:22:51,650
Here's the tenets that go with this.

666
00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:53,170
Here's the philosophy.

667
00:22:53,410 --> 00:22:54,489
Here's where this came from.

668
00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:57,250
Let's go back to Roger's 3 core conditions.

669
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:58,300
Axline's,

670
00:22:58,349 --> 00:22:59,390
eight principles.

671
00:22:59,540 --> 00:23:00,239
Landreth,

672
00:23:00,780 --> 00:23:01,900
if you can't

673
00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:03,689
speak about this stuff

674
00:23:04,140 --> 00:23:04,900
and know it.

675
00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:06,780
And communicate it

676
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:08,599
There's confusion

677
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,369
Which leads to frustration

678
00:23:11,719 --> 00:23:12,719
on all parts.

679
00:23:14,709 --> 00:23:16,939
If you set clear expectations,

680
00:23:17,310 --> 00:23:18,030
clear is kind.

681
00:23:19,479 --> 00:23:20,310
And finally,

682
00:23:21,859 --> 00:23:23,300
A child gets really,

683
00:23:23,420 --> 00:23:24,569
really confused.

684
00:23:25,439 --> 00:23:26,810
When you are incongruent.

685
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,349
Let's go back to Rogers for a second.

686
00:23:31,290 --> 00:23:32,079
Quick little

687
00:23:32,729 --> 00:23:33,329
diversion.

688
00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:33,900
I'm,

689
00:23:33,930 --> 00:23:35,089
I'm having a lot of these today.

690
00:23:36,150 --> 00:23:36,819
My diversion,

691
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,900
but but relevant,

692
00:23:37,910 --> 00:23:38,630
I promise.

693
00:23:39,550 --> 00:23:40,300
Pop quiz,

694
00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:42,829
what are the three core conditions of Rogers?

695
00:23:45,829 --> 00:23:47,099
I believe in you.

696
00:23:47,729 --> 00:23:48,400
I hope.

697
00:23:48,849 --> 00:23:49,209
If we,

698
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:50,150
if we don't know that,

699
00:23:50,229 --> 00:23:50,849
we're in trouble.

700
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:51,469
I mean,

701
00:23:51,479 --> 00:23:52,130
everything comes from that,

702
00:23:52,219 --> 00:23:52,719
right?

703
00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:55,000
So we have unconditional positive regard,

704
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:55,819
we have empathy,

705
00:23:55,890 --> 00:23:57,930
and we have genuineness slash congruence.

706
00:23:58,130 --> 00:23:58,439
OK,

707
00:23:58,609 --> 00:23:59,000
so,

708
00:23:59,689 --> 00:23:59,699
When

709
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,119
we think about this,

710
00:24:01,420 --> 00:24:03,160
we have to be genuine and congruent.

711
00:24:04,739 --> 00:24:05,170
Because

712
00:24:05,380 --> 00:24:07,140
child-centered comes from person centered.

713
00:24:08,689 --> 00:24:10,219
When you say to a child,

714
00:24:10,530 --> 00:24:11,300
when you come here,

715
00:24:11,369 --> 00:24:14,439
you're in charge and you can play with all the toys in most of the ways that you want.

716
00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:17,030
And then the next thing you know,

717
00:24:17,099 --> 00:24:17,630
you're saying,

718
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:19,660
we're gonna do a worksheet on feelings today.

719
00:24:20,489 --> 00:24:20,670
Wait,

720
00:24:20,729 --> 00:24:21,050
what?

721
00:24:22,609 --> 00:24:23,359
Hold the phone.

722
00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:24,770
You said I was in charge.

723
00:24:25,010 --> 00:24:27,599
You said that I could play with all the toys in most of the ways that I want.

724
00:24:27,849 --> 00:24:29,479
Why are you making me sit down at this table?

725
00:24:29,650 --> 00:24:31,189
Why are you putting a worksheet in front of me?

726
00:24:31,369 --> 00:24:32,369
Why are we talking about?

727
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:33,719
Why are you talking to me?

728
00:24:33,959 --> 00:24:35,640
Why are you bringing up a topic?

729
00:24:35,770 --> 00:24:37,369
Why do I have to deal with my feelings?

730
00:24:37,489 --> 00:24:38,479
Can I just play?

731
00:24:39,170 --> 00:24:41,369
I'll bring what I need to work on into the playroom.

732
00:24:41,449 --> 00:24:43,010
Why are you making me deal with this?

733
00:24:44,329 --> 00:24:45,959
Not only is that a fracture in the relationship,

734
00:24:45,969 --> 00:24:47,199
which we talked about before,

735
00:24:47,569 --> 00:24:48,689
it's confusing.

736
00:24:49,650 --> 00:24:51,280
You're not being congruent,

737
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:53,180
because congruence is

738
00:24:53,410 --> 00:24:54,359
a model

739
00:24:54,689 --> 00:24:55,280
is

740
00:24:55,729 --> 00:24:56,239
there

741
00:24:56,410 --> 00:24:57,530
and you adhere to it.

742
00:24:58,589 --> 00:25:01,119
So we can't be CCPT one day and then

743
00:25:01,290 --> 00:25:03,800
do a directive activity for 5 minutes,

744
00:25:03,939 --> 00:25:04,319
or,

745
00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:04,849
you know,

746
00:25:05,089 --> 00:25:06,760
I reserve 10 minutes of the,

747
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:09,800
the play time to do an activity or to talk about something.

748
00:25:10,689 --> 00:25:11,650
That's confusing.

749
00:25:12,869 --> 00:25:13,359
I mean,

750
00:25:13,489 --> 00:25:13,849
of course,

751
00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:14,400
for the child,

752
00:25:14,489 --> 00:25:15,800
but it's confusing for you.

753
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,150
Are you directive or are you non-directive?

754
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,310
Are you CCPT or aren't you?

755
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,040
No one has a clue what's going on,

756
00:25:24,199 --> 00:25:24,869
including you.

757
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,349
So,

758
00:25:27,619 --> 00:25:28,609
here's,

759
00:25:29,030 --> 00:25:31,290
here's kind of the wrap up for all of this.

760
00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:34,030
When

761
00:25:34,540 --> 00:25:35,420
we

762
00:25:35,859 --> 00:25:36,810
don't adhere.

763
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:40,500
And when we are constantly adding all of this other stuff,

764
00:25:40,579 --> 00:25:41,609
I talk about it all the time,

765
00:25:41,699 --> 00:25:42,849
CCPT plus.

766
00:25:44,979 --> 00:25:45,890
When we do that,

767
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:48,439
The pressure is on us

768
00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:51,800
to always find quote or do the right thing.

769
00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:53,290
OK,

770
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:53,469
well,

771
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:54,790
if this kid has anger issues,

772
00:25:54,869 --> 00:25:56,099
then we're gonna have to deal with anger.

773
00:25:56,270 --> 00:25:56,469
OK,

774
00:25:56,510 --> 00:26:00,099
if this kid is dealing with like lack of emotional vocabulary,

775
00:26:00,109 --> 00:26:01,739
then we're gonna have to do a feelings chart.

776
00:26:01,869 --> 00:26:02,109
OK,

777
00:26:02,229 --> 00:26:03,010
if this kid

778
00:26:03,849 --> 00:26:05,859
It's all the burden is all on you.

779
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:08,729
You have to figure out how to do,

780
00:26:08,949 --> 00:26:10,469
you have to do the right thing,

781
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:12,270
you have to find the right activity,

782
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,750
you have to bring in the right therapeutic tool.

783
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,750
CCPT

784
00:26:18,109 --> 00:26:18,670
says.

785
00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:21,750
Self-actualization is inevitable.

786
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,430
The child knows,

787
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,949
the child will do the work.

788
00:26:26,959 --> 00:26:28,280
You adhere.

789
00:26:28,550 --> 00:26:29,780
You stay out of the way.

790
00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:33,069
And the child will naturally heal

791
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:33,989
and

792
00:26:34,239 --> 00:26:34,630
grow.

793
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:36,989
Why

794
00:26:37,199 --> 00:26:40,640
do we feel compelled to put pressure on ourselves unnecessarily?

795
00:26:43,709 --> 00:26:45,520
It makes no sense to me,

796
00:26:45,849 --> 00:26:47,939
and I'm hoping that through this episode

797
00:26:48,290 --> 00:26:49,650
you're having aha moments.

798
00:26:49,770 --> 00:26:51,839
I'm hoping that the light bulb is going off.

799
00:26:51,969 --> 00:26:54,040
I'm hoping there's been some revelations.

800
00:26:54,819 --> 00:26:55,410
And first of all,

801
00:26:55,449 --> 00:26:56,560
I hope that this is encouraging,

802
00:26:56,569 --> 00:26:57,280
but second of all,

803
00:26:57,329 --> 00:26:58,439
I hope that you're going,

804
00:26:58,849 --> 00:26:59,130
yeah,

805
00:26:59,410 --> 00:27:00,930
why would anyone do that?

806
00:27:02,180 --> 00:27:05,900
Why wouldn't we just all adhere to CCPT?

807
00:27:06,579 --> 00:27:08,410
It makes things so much easier.

808
00:27:08,699 --> 00:27:10,050
And let me be really clear,

809
00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:11,790
CCPT

810
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:12,979
is

811
00:27:13,339 --> 00:27:14,489
spelled out for you

812
00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:16,670
It has a framework,

813
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,949
everything you need to do,

814
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,229
and everything that needs to happen,

815
00:27:21,719 --> 00:27:22,640
it's right there.

816
00:27:23,719 --> 00:27:28,420
You commit things to memory and you adhere to the principles and the philosophies,

817
00:27:28,589 --> 00:27:31,949
you know exactly what you're going to do at every second in a play session.

818
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,239
But it is not easy.

819
00:27:36,209 --> 00:27:39,729
It's clear and it's simple and it's all right there for you,

820
00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:41,579
but it isn't easy to do this.

821
00:27:43,689 --> 00:27:44,680
But it is worth it.

822
00:27:45,569 --> 00:27:46,729
Because it works

823
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:48,569
So,

824
00:27:48,770 --> 00:27:49,699
adherence

825
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:50,839
is

826
00:27:51,089 --> 00:27:53,319
a crucial and integral piece

827
00:27:53,729 --> 00:27:54,520
of our work.

828
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:58,219
So if you to this point have been

829
00:27:58,689 --> 00:28:00,329
kind of all over the place theoretically,

830
00:28:00,369 --> 00:28:02,400
if you're doing a little bit of this and a little bit of that,

831
00:28:02,650 --> 00:28:04,459
and or you're fully adherent now,

832
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,770
but you haven't been for a while.

833
00:28:05,849 --> 00:28:07,319
I know so many of you.

834
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:09,290
Congratulations to every single one of you,

835
00:28:09,329 --> 00:28:09,880
by the way,

836
00:28:10,089 --> 00:28:11,810
every single one of you that has said.

837
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:12,760
I'm all in

838
00:28:12,979 --> 00:28:16,060
and I have to completely rework every client that

839
00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:18,900
I have right now and they've gone from directive to

840
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:21,500
now I'm CCPT and I've made this transition and

841
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:23,780
I'm new to this and I'm honing my skills.

842
00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:25,510
Congratulations.

843
00:28:25,780 --> 00:28:28,099
I hope that you are so proud of that decision.

844
00:28:28,770 --> 00:28:29,719
And I know many,

845
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,229
many of you have emailed me and said,

846
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,209
oh my gosh,

847
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,300
I see the results.

848
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,569
Oh my gosh,

849
00:28:35,719 --> 00:28:36,310
we're making

850
00:28:36,469 --> 00:28:38,430
so much progress that we didn't make

851
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,910
in all of my directive work with these kids.

852
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:42,050
Oh my gosh,

853
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:43,189
I finally get it.

854
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:43,839
wow,

855
00:28:43,959 --> 00:28:47,069
I've never seen a kid progress so quickly through all this.

856
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:47,589
Why?

857
00:28:47,819 --> 00:28:49,949
Because you just decided to go all in

858
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,640
and adhere to the model.

859
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,810
So if you've been all over the place and or if you've recently converted.

860
00:28:58,430 --> 00:29:00,000
This is why we adhere.

861
00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:01,390
For those of you that

862
00:29:01,609 --> 00:29:03,359
are fully adherent for a long time,

863
00:29:03,410 --> 00:29:04,199
you get this,

864
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:06,959
and I hope that this is just kind of a boost for you.

865
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:07,650
Oh yeah,

866
00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:09,089
this is why we do what we do.

867
00:29:10,989 --> 00:29:13,099
If we do not adhere,

868
00:29:14,109 --> 00:29:15,099
everything that we do

869
00:29:15,349 --> 00:29:16,979
has no basis.

870
00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:19,219
That's unethical.

871
00:29:20,170 --> 00:29:21,520
We should never do things

872
00:29:21,739 --> 00:29:23,000
that we can't support.

873
00:29:23,829 --> 00:29:25,900
We should never just make things up as we go.

874
00:29:27,109 --> 00:29:28,989
That's why we have a theory that we follow.

875
00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:31,500
Someone has already done the work and said,

876
00:29:31,550 --> 00:29:32,199
if you do this,

877
00:29:32,229 --> 00:29:32,750
this,

878
00:29:32,849 --> 00:29:32,869
this,

879
00:29:32,910 --> 00:29:33,939
these are the outcomes.

880
00:29:34,349 --> 00:29:35,550
It's all right there for us.

881
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:36,540
That's why we do it.

882
00:29:37,660 --> 00:29:38,189
All right.

883
00:29:38,420 --> 00:29:40,290
The happiest of New Year's to you.

884
00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:41,569
I love you all so much.

885
00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:44,180
I will talk to you again in 2025.

886
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:44,780
Bye.

887
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,640
Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr.

888
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,760
Brenna Hicks.

889
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,910
For more episodes and resources,

890
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,739
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