Hour 1 – Fast but Won’t Last, 70yd FG Is Coming

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Speaker 3: Thank you Dan. We actually have a wounded animal parlay later in the show.

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Speaker 2: Would you explain what a wounded animal parlay is?

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Speaker 3: Yes, the forty nine ers being the wounded animal. Okay, we're kind of digging into the depths of the depth chart. You're going to pull out some hopeful winners.

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Speaker 2: Now, what does that mean the wounded animal that you're looking for individual bets with the Niners.

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Speaker 3: The whole team's pretty wound, pretty wounded, so it can be kind of anything for you related.

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Speaker 2: We'll have that for you coming up, by the way. The Gambling podcast available later on today after the show with Dylan with Shayan Irving and also Bad Larry, who is back from his European vacation. Pole question play the day stat of the day, So Dylan's in, Seaton's here, Marvin's and also Paully's in as well in yours truly poll question coming up eight seven seven to three DP show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone call. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the show. First hour brought to you by simply Safe. Typical security systems react simply Safe as proactive. Now you can get fifty percent off your new system. Go to simplysafdan dot com. There is no safe like simply Safe. I'm watching yesterday and watching last night. I'm fascinated by Mason Miller. He he is the Padres closer, and when he's on the mound, he's bringing three digits. It's one hundred miles an hour. Fifteen total pitches were one hundred or more miles per hour by the Padres versus the Cubs yesterday. Eleven of the fifteen were by Mason Miller. Seven in the seventh inning, four in the eighth inning, four by Robert Suarez, all in the ninth inning. They're just bringing in one oh four point five. On the FM dial. I mean, it's impressive. And if you wonder why they have a you know they're going to be a pitch count because there are more guys throwing, you know, more than one hundred miles an hour. Now it I mean it's jumped up almost five miles per hour. That's incredible. We have more on that coming up, but you know, I started to look at just the velocity with the Padres bullpen, they had fifteen pitches of over one hundred miles an hour. Last time that happened the Yankees Game three of the Alds when they had twenty eight of those pitches. And with Miller, Miller face nine batters, eight strikeouts and he hits somebody sixteen of his forty pitches or one hundred miles an hour or greater. Now, it used to be that you would have a couple of guys who threw hard. I go back to Bob Feller, I go back to Nolan Ryan and Nolan Ryan, you know, the jugs gun. He probably threw one hundred and four hundred five miles per hour. But there is a difference. And I remember we've asked pitchers before, what's the difference between ninety six and one hundred and hitters will tell you there is a big difference with that, But everything is the speed and how often I see that, And that's where you'll see guys get locked in. They'll say, throw me that fastball. All hit that eventually catch up to that. Breaking ball. That's different. Breaking ball will withstand the test of time. Fastball they can turn on it because they'll see it. You see one hundred mile an hour fastball more often. It used to be you'd be like, oh my gosh, I don't see anybody throwing like that. Now it's commonplace. Now everybody's built that way. You're encouraged to throw as hard as you can for as long as you can, and then they kick you to the curb. Tommy John Surgery, come on down. Somebody else is going to come on in fewer innings. Now it's about you get in, throw as hard as you can, and then we'll bring in somebody else. Throw as hard as you can. I always wondered why pitchers would start out, and I talked to Kurt Shilling about this many years ago. I said, why do you throw harder the longer you're in the game. He said, well, those pitches mean more and I'm loose, like I'm you know, you're you're building up momentum. My nickname in high school was fast but won't last, And that had to do with pitching as well. Yes it is, and I could throw really hard, but I couldn't throw, you know, for a long period of time. It'd be like seven pitches, be like, man, that guy, you know he can throw hard, and then all of a sudden, I have a noodle arm. After that, these guys come in, they know I got about fifteen or twenty pitches. That's how long I can go, and then you'll bring in the next guy. So starting pitching used to be you were going six or seven and announcers are shocked, like I'm a moto. He came back for another inning and the announcers were like, oh, he's coming back. It's a sixth inning. But it's just different now. The days of finesse feels like long gone. But you still have that breaking ball. That breaking ball is the great equalizer in my opinion, and you see that with these guys. You can have a fastball, but you better have a breaking ball, something off speed, because if not, they lock in. And that's where you go that's one hundred and four mile an hour fastball, and he took it deep. They can. They're geared for that, even these pitching machines. When we were at the Super Bowl and we were at the Giants facility in Skydale and we asked them, they had the jugs gun down below the stadium and we went down there to take BP one day and I said, can you make that throw like Clayton Kershaw curveball? And they said yes, like they've gotten it so that it's not just they're throwing fastballs. They can throw off speed pitches. They can throw breaking balls, they can throw sliders. That's what amazed me because it's like even us. You know, with an eighty five or ninety mile an hour fastball, you put your bat on it. But if you say, hey, I'm not going to tell you what's coming, and then all of a sudden, you know you're up there and your legs give out. That's that's what's still amazing. That's why Clayton Kershaw can still pitch the way he pitches because he has that breaking ball. Now you have to keep him on us with a fastball that is at least in the nineties. But now, and you're watching these guys like I would too. PAULI text me to say, Mason Miller's coming in. I went over to watch the game, and he looks the part of a guy who throws one hundred and four mile an hour. He looks like he could be, you know, a linebacker. But that's baseball now, and you saw that yesterday and last night. These guys throw hard for as long as they can.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin, remember when Tim Linskin came on the scene and everyone was like, man, he's so slight. How is he going to be able to last that long? Because all these guys, just like you said, Mason Miller looks like a linebacker.

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Speaker 5: You know, these guys got to be big.

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Speaker 2: Also, well, you still get that guy that defies logic where you go, how does that guy throw that hard? And there are certain guys like Pedro Martinez, to me, is one of the most fascinating pictures of all time, one of the greatest pictures of all time, one of the most underrated pictures of all time, because if you meet him, he slight, but he had that ability. He was able to make that ball move, but he also had velocity. Even when you're around Mo Rivera, Like, you're standing next to him and I'm going that guy is the greatest closer of all time, and he doesn't look like he's a baseball player. It's just like, Oh, what do you do for a living?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm the closer for the Yankees? You know, enter sand Man. Oh okay, But that's the fascination you have with baseball. There's certain guys who can do certain things with the baseball that we can't. But what they're teaching now is go out there and they've studied. It's physics, it's probably geometry, algebra, math, all that thrown in there. Spin rate, you know, that's why you get that. You want a little bit of tackiness on the ball, so you get that spin rate there. Pitchers would complain about that early in the year, but it's fascinating to watch it really is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Pauling, That's what I'm curious about. Is it the natural human development or is it things like less ending so you could throw harder, more often. Better medical advice, better workout routines. Because in two thousand and two, the average fastball Major League Baseball was eighty nine miles per hour. Now it's ninety four. It's gone up five miles an hour in less than a generation. Does that mean it's going to keep going that way?

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Speaker 5: It's hard to know.

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Speaker 2: I would have to talk to somebody who is in physiology or smart people.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see, if you can get somebody at Yale who can join us this morning, we'll do Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I think a lot of it is just how good we've gotten at breaking down the mechanics rather than anything else. You have such slow motion, you know, and graphics and technology and all of this stuff that you're able to understand if you're pushing off at the right angle, you're doing all of these different things, and the leverage that your body creates or the torque that it creates to throw the ball. I think we've gotten so good at just figuring that part of it out. I don't know how much better you can get at it, but I think that's a big part of it.

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Speaker 2: When we go to spring training, or I used to go to spring training, I always love to see what pitchers were doing, because you know, hitting hasn't really changed other than you know, you're swinging up on the ball. You know you're trying to launch the ball. Angle is the big one. But with pitchers, there's always these different kind of routines, exercises they were doing, like they would take a towel and then they would you know, have the pitching motion and they were just you know, holding onto a towel, snapping the towel. Yeah, And I'm like, wow, okay, but you're seeing all of these different things. And it goes back to Mark Pryor when he was with the Cubs, like, these are things that guys have been doing. And Tom House, who's a former reliever with the Braves, he's a pitching coach, but he's also helped Tom Brady. He helps a lot of these quarterbacks and how you throw the football, you know, how you torque, all those things, and teaching a lot of this modern philosophy. It's it's like the golf swing. When you look and somebody is hitting the ball less than three hundred yards, we go, man, what's wrong with him? Okay, Now it's you know the shamba hit at three seventy two, and we go, did he get all of it? Rory some of these other guys. We're shocked when somebody doesn't hit it three hundred yards. But that's technology. But that's also understanding. They're using the ground now. It starts from the ground up. It's not how fast you can swing your arms or how fast you move your hips. You know, you look at John Rahm, it doesn't even look like he's finishing his backswing. They've studied this. It is a science. It's not boy, he's just naturally gifted. Rory's naturally gifted, so was Tiger. But they did understand how do I get more distance, how do I get and how do I compress the ball? The accuracy, all of those things. That's what they're doing with every sport. It can be kicking a soccer ball, kicking a football. In fact, speaking of which, Vic Fangio. Vic Fangio was talking about kickers and he compared them to the steroid era in baseball. Have that for you coming up. Also, Sean Payton is facing the Eagles this weekend. He defends the toush push. We'll have that for you coming up. We got a lot of things to get to today. Your phone call is always welcome. We'll settle on a poll question. We'll discuss that and the greatest lineups in baseball history. And I'm talking about not Hall of famers lineups that have MVP winners in them. We'll talk about that as well. I think I said in them. I don't think that's a word. I think it's in them. Everyone gets in them. Yeah, out them, in them. All right, we'll take a break. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: Football coming up tonight, it'll be the forty nine ers. They are getting eight and a half at the Rams over under his forty four and a half. I are we going back to Mac Jones because Rock Party can't play. I believe that is the official ruling. Rock Party is out with the toe injury, but the Niners are getting eight and a half eight seven seven to three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com and Twitter handle on TP show all right, seat and poll question for hour one for the audience.

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Speaker 7: We've got a few options here. I think actually we can put up there too. If we will see a time where the average miles per hour of a pitch is at ninety nine sure to go along with Paul's thought about if it went from eighty nine to nine four theoretically, right, following the logic of what you're just talking about, in the next twenty five years, the average pitch will be ninety nine miles an hour.

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Speaker 2: And how many is that twenty five years from now or is it longer than that.

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Speaker 6: Let's say every generation it went up three miles per hour. We're going to be on this earth for a long long time.

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Speaker 2: When was the average pitch eighty nine miles an hour twenty five years ago? Two thousand? Okay, so twenty five years from now it'll be ninety nine miles per hour.

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Speaker 6: Right, And would the max speed go from one oh one to one oh five now to one oh nine one ten in two thousand and fifty.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to have study somebody who studied, you know, physiology or kinesiology or whatever it might be. Because it's like the one hundred meter dash? How much better can you improve upon that time? And how long has Usain Bolt had that number? Like, we're not close to that number yet, I don't can can you get to nine four, nine three and one hundred meter dash at some point? Yea?

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Speaker 6: Or was Usain Bolt and anomaly because most sprinters are six to two or under. Usained Bolt by being six five. I'm no physicist, but I've read some stuff about this. His stride was longer, so every step he took was two inches longer than the guy next to him at the same rate of leg speed. So that means he finishes two meters ahead. Is he the like he's a standalone?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we could also put up there. We got two here from Paul, which is worse ties in sports are having to wear a tie?

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Speaker 5: Great question, A fair point. We were one in high school.

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Speaker 2: I've spent half my life wearing a tie. If you wear an unbelief like a banger tie, then it's a great feeling. I kept all of the ties that when I handed out the Super Bowl trophies. I have them in here, and you feel if you feel pretty good when you're out there and you go, all right, this good color combination. But you know, wearing a time, I would wait till the very very last minute when I did Sports Center to put on the tie, and then on the way back over after doing Sports Center, you'd have that tie off. But I remember when I was little, I had a clip on tie. Even then, I was like, I had to go to church every morning then have to have a clip on tie. And I always thought if you went to church, I always had to have a tie on. And then my mom eventually said, you don't have to wear a tie all the time, and I said, oh, okay. I think she was trying to see if I would like going to church a little more if I didn't have to wear a tie. That didn't work.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, on Sports Center, when you took your tie off, was it all off or did you just slide it off and keep it tied and hang it up.

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Speaker 2: I don't really remember.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I think I just loosened it a little bit, and then depending on who was watching, I would slide it off gently, just right.

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Speaker 8: If Carl Ravitch is around, yeah, like, hey Carl, check this out.

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Speaker 2: Carl would go hey, slower, Yeah, I go, all right, Revy, I'll tie it again. Yeah, yeah, double windsor.

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Speaker 6: I used to work at the clothing store in high school, so I learned the proper way to tie a tie with the big dimple in the middle, the proper way to do the pocket square to make it last out.

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Speaker 5: Okay, look where I got me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yes, can anyone hear tie a bow tie?

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Speaker 2: I think I can. I don't like the way it looks fair, but it like it looks like I've been wearing the tie at the reception for five hours when I put it on, so it kind of looks like, oh, you had a good time. I haven't even started yet.

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Speaker 3: Actually tried really hard on this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The clip on the clip ons for those I think still work. Those play like the one when that just clips on the neck and it's already tied.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm fine with that. Yeah, I have no sh because people will ask you did you tie that? I don't know. Just clip it on here. I'm going to work for that hard all right. So Sean Payton and the Broncos had the Eagles coming up this weekend, and Sean Payton was asked about the tush push.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, listen, I was one that stood up in favor of. The reason I stood up in favor of is the powers to be don't want it for esthetic reasons or competitive reason, you know, or it's hard to officiate, et cetera. But I've been involved in those meetings for a long time, and when all of a sudden, health and safety was pulled into that, which which might be the safest play in football, my bullet nose kind of went up. Look at the quarterback sneak, and I think credit Philadelphia. I'm one that looks at it. You know, as long as the line of scrimmage is clean, it's a well run quarterback sneak. And when you really evaluate it, it's more the technique of the sneak than the push.

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Speaker 2: Those are strong comments for a guy who's going against the tush push. And we've talked about that ad nauseum that I have no problem with it. You guys asked for it, you allowed it. Now it's here, and now people have a problem with it, get your votes together, and then get rid of it if you want to. But I promise you with that quarterback and that offensive line, they're still going to be extremely successful. Now. Vic Fangio's the defensive coordinator of the Eagles, and he was talking about just how good kickers are, and he brought in an interesting comparison.

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Speaker 11: You know what, you guys have missed not to shoot, but everybody is. You know, we gave up a sixty five yard field goal and a fifty eight yard field goal. These kicking balls that they changed this year have drastically changed the kicking game field goals in particular. So it's almost like they need an asterisk here, like it was the live ball air or the asterisks for those home runs bonds and so Sam maguire were hitting. You know, the way they've changed the ball has drastically changed the field goals different No in years past, the officials would rub them down or other people would rub them down, and you play with them. Now the balls are in house all week and they kick those balls that they've had and nobody else touches them.

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Speaker 2: Which I don't have a problem with if you're the one using the ball. And then your kicker gets to you. It goes back to what I've said about the quarterback. If you want it a certain way, if you want it a little softer like Tom Brady did, or a little bit harder, firmer like Aaron Rodgers did. You're the one that's you know, holding it, throwing it, and if your receivers are fine catching it or running backs are fine with running, then I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 3: You're not.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're doing any thing in an nefarious way like Brady did. Brady lied about it, but you know the fact that Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers said, I inflate it more than it needs to be and no one said a word, no headlines whatsoever. Tom was deflating like the inflator doesn't sound as bad as the deflator. But Aaron Rodgers said, I wanted to be firmer. Brady, you know, wanted to do it a little bit less than that. But as far as these balls that are now, I never understood this as well. When I played high school basketball, they would give you a brand new basketball to start the game, and I'm thinking, why why not give you a basketball that you've been using? Home team Home team picked the basketball? Do we want it? Is the the aesthetics of that's a brand new basketball, and to be slick, and you know, and by the way, high school players should have been using an NBA ball because thicker seems allows you to be able to shoot better. I never understood that they gave you a brand new basketball. So same thing with the football. And those footballs look worn, weathered, they look like they're you know, they've been broken in, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: In college football, the teams have their own balls, right, So say, if it's Army versus Wake Force, there's people on the sidelines. Army, here's your ball, wake Force, here's your ball. There's a bunch of ball boys that have balls that are as the Army local as the Wake Force logo. So they use their own ball. So I don't understand why it can't be the same in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: It's that now all of a sudden, it's the kickers are ruining the game. All they're doing is kicking. They've gotten better, they've gotten stronger, And it goes back to the analytics. It's gotten back to geometry, and it's gotten back to how do I strengthen my leg okay, And you know, how do we block if you're kicking a sixty five yard field goal, Well, that ball is going to be lower. You got to make sure you do your job differently up front. But we're seeing more kicks are blocked, well, more kicks are blocked. It feels like because now we have longer kicks, we have no problem. Like when the ball goes out to the thirty five yard line, you're thinking, we get two first downs, we're in field goal range. It didn't used to be that way. It was like, man, it's fifty yards and then all of a sudden it's sixty yards, and then Tom Dempsey and then it's sixty three yards, and you're thinking, these guys can kick seventy yards. I think somebody's kicking a seventy yard field goal this year. But they do it. You watch them when they practice. Now, there's no rush, there's no pressure, but these guys have the leg to get it that far.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pauline, and conditioning has to be in play.

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Speaker 6: If you look at the average kicker just eyeballing it, they kind of look like football players now and back in the eighties, the kicker would stand out. He'd have a gut or you know, he would just be he was there just to kick and never do anything else, and it didn't seem like they worked out at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: See, I think the thing that's going to be tough for that is kick Kicking the ball that far is how low the ball is when it comes off your foot getting over the line. You know that it's easier to the longer the field goal is, the lower that trajectory is that it's easier to block. And I think that's probably going to be the biggest problem and probably why you can see them kick seventy yards in practice but not in a game, because you could just it's going to hit off somebody's head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unless it's the last play of a game. Maybe you know, even the last play of a half, you run that risk of somebody blocking it and running it back. But those are the times when somebody is going to be attempting a seventy yard field goal. I think that that's it's inevitable that somebody will get that opportunity.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul, if you want to compare it to the three pointer in basketball, it's apples and oranges. But let's say kicking becomes too easy deep kicks become too easy the way that the emphasize it.

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Speaker 5: Good idea, bad idea.

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Speaker 6: If you made a field goal worth two points, now it's a there's less high end of that play, there's less upside of that play, and you're more likely to go for it and try to get seven points. I don't know if that's ever a thing down the road, but it could be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't. I don't believe in penalizing people being really good at what they're supposed to be really good at. I imagine you go, you know, guys, unbelievable. Yeah, we got to do something about it. If Tiger could talk about that, Yeah, hey, that's not fair, Tiger, you're hitting the ball too well. Yeah, let's Tiger proof this.

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Speaker 7: Let's rearrange thousands of trees, dig them up and plant them somewhere else or something so that then it's.

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Speaker 2: Easier to yeah, or harder. Yeah, Dylly.

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Speaker 3: In that vein of changing the field goal points, don't you think a safety should be more than two points?

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Speaker 5: Make it four.

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Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't thought about it.

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Speaker 3: Take one point from the field goal, give it to the safety.

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Speaker 2: I would love. Field goals can only take place fifty yards or further. I love that that's it fifty yards or further. Other than that, you go for it. You gotta go for it or you pump. But if you're going for a field goal, it has to be fifty yards or more. Yes, Paul, I think I threw.

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Speaker 6: Out a rule ten years ago to deemphasize kickers. A starting position player had to handle all your punting and kicking.

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Speaker 5: And can you imagine the difference.

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Speaker 6: Like every team has to have someone on the roster who plays right guard and con punt.

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Speaker 2: What about you get the opposition gets to pick who they want to.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin, I feel that way about punting. If it's fourth and under five yards, you gotta go for it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let's just get rid of these are fun ideas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, punters have gotten really good too, but it always seems like the average is around forty five point seven yards. When somebody says, oh man, he's first team All Pro forty five point seven yards or something. All right, a couple of phone calls in there. We will talk about the greatest lineups in baseball history. And I'm talking about lineups like the Dodgers. They have Otani, They have Freddie Freeman, they have Mookie having MVPs in the line How many teams have that luxury and that's one, two three in the lineup, which is crazy to think about. And Mookie Betts with four hits as the Dodgers advance. Andrew and Sarasota. Hi Andrew, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 12: Hey DP, Hey Dennis. That's a quick question for you, big Bill fan, big Yankee fan. I got a couple of kids wondering how you guys went about kind of instilling the value of loving sports and maybe the teams you guys root for, but kind of letting them go their own way and make their own decisions about that too.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's different for me, and thanks for the phone call. It's a great topic. I had already kind of relinquished my fandom when I got to Sports Center, So that was nineteen eighty nine, and I didn't start having kids until a few years later. And then I said to my son, whoever you want to root for or root for? And he started rooting for the Packers and the Red Sox. The Packers with farv the Red Sox hadn't won anything, and he's made he's stayed loyal to those those teams. But I didn't guide him when I did give him my heads up that with the Red Sox, you're probably not winning any time soon, maybe in your lifetime, and he kept saying didn't matter. He was going to be a Red Sox fan, and he loved the Packers. I don't know how the fandom started, but he stayed true to the Packers to this day. But yeah, when you're if you're a fan of a team that's not very good, do you hand it to your child? Hand it down to your child? You know, we're we're a Browns family. Well you're not going to be a Bengals fan or a Steeler. You're just not. I don't know if you get a choice there. I think if you're being if you're being honest, you're probably saying, hey, you know what, he or she's going to go through the same mail that I've gone through. We're going to go through this together. Hey, when we start to win, we are going to win together.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul, I think a lot of kids under ten years old would pick the team that's dominant right now.

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Speaker 5: Because it's feel good.

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Speaker 6: I'll bet you there's a lot of chiefs fans that are young people over the past decade. When I was a kid, of course I'm a Bears fan, but I would see those Steelers dominating.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, man, that looks like a fun team.

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Speaker 8: To root for.

00:30:26
Speaker 5: All they do is win a lot of football games.

00:30:28
Speaker 2: And I grew up in Zanesville, Ohio, and that was Cleveland Brown's territory. And then I moved to Cincinnati later and the Bengals just came to Cincinnati and I thought, Okay, that's my football team. And I asked my dad. I said, can I go back to rooting for the Browns And he said, no, We're Bengals fans. I go, oh my god. So the only thing that I enjoyment I got out of that is I got to go to Bengal. We'd sneak into the Bengals games and I got to see the opposition. I would go to see whoever they were playing. Yes, Marv, Yeah.

00:31:03
Speaker 4: To Paula's point, I grew up a forty nine Ers fan because in nineteen ninety three, nineteen ninety four they were really good. Sorry, I didn't want to watch Dave Brown go to Howard Cross with the Giants every single week, right so I was like, you know what, I'm a forty nine Ers fan from here on out.

00:31:17
Speaker 2: Dave Brown supplemental draft with the Giants.

00:31:19
Speaker 5: I believe ill supplemental.

00:31:22
Speaker 2: Dave Brown supplemental draft. Well, Bernie Cossar was he supplemental draft as well?

00:31:28
Speaker 5: Maybe because he was in the USFL, you're after him.

00:31:31
Speaker 2: I think there's been a couple of supplemental that's like the commissioner's exemp list where you go. I didn't know that existed, and then all of a sudden, it's the supplemental draft. Yes, Martin was Chris Carter supplemental draft also.

00:31:45
Speaker 4: Got a double check.

00:31:46
Speaker 2: Check on that. All right, All right, well, Jacob break settle on our poll question. Your phone calls coming up of our play of the day is next.

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00:33:06
Speaker 14: Yeah?

00:33:07
Speaker 6: And so the supplemental draft started back in the seventies for players who couldn't be in the draft for some reason, eligibility, whatever it may be, and so teams could draft them. But then they lost another draft pick, Bernie Coosar nineteen eighty five by the Browns out of Miami.

00:33:21
Speaker 5: He graduated early. Smart guy Brian Bosworth.

00:33:24
Speaker 6: Of Oklahoma was a supplemental draft pick. Chris Carter of Ohio State Blue Blue, Marvin Yes, suspended before a senior year for signing with an agent. Supplemental draft. A couple others. Bobby Humphrey the running back the Broncos, Rob Moore the wide receiver, Jamal Williams the running back, so Josh Gordon the wide receiver out of the Browns who was very good a few years back. A lot of supplemental draft.

00:33:49
Speaker 2: Speaking of the Browns, Kevin Stefanski's the head coach, and he announced that Dylan Gabriel is going to start against the Vikings.

00:33:58
Speaker 14: From the second he's been here, he's been more working, very hard, very intelligent young man. He's done a nice job.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: Throughout practice this whole season.

00:34:06
Speaker 14: He's been learning how to get yourself ready and understand the rhythm of an NFL week and what that looks like as a backup, and obviously now feel like he's ready that's going as a starter.

00:34:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was surprised on the road in London against the Vikings. I don't know. Put him in the deep end of the pool and let's see what he does. And you know, he has some mobility there, far more than Flacco does. But I have more mobility, I think than Joe does. But you know, by all accounts, Dylan Gabriel has done a very good job picked up the offense and he gets the ball out quickly, and he's not somebody trying to extend plays, which is what you want out of your rookie quarterback. Take what is there and then when it's not there, lived to call another play. Yeah.

00:34:56
Speaker 8: Dylan Gabriel had a pretty good quote too.

00:34:59
Speaker 7: I think it was from this week where he said, basically he was like, it's that Joe Flacco's job to teach me how to do this.

00:35:05
Speaker 8: It's not his job to be a mentor. It's my job to ask questions. Yeah, you know, that's a pretty good shift in mindset that we don't normally hear.

00:35:13
Speaker 5: Yes, Paul and Dylan Gabriels played a lot of football.

00:35:15
Speaker 6: He played six years of college three at UCF, two at Oklahoma, one at Oregon. He had sixty four college starts experience case he's like twenty four years old.

00:35:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, him and Jade and Daniels bow Knicks. I think they had maybe the most starts in college football history.

00:35:30
Speaker 5: But six years is the max.

00:35:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think after come on, come on six years, he.

00:35:37
Speaker 6: Had one hundred and fifty five touchdowns in college. That's got to be the record by far.

00:35:42
Speaker 2: Is it the record by far?

00:35:44
Speaker 6: I think it has to be because he was a starter for six years. He had the one year at UCF where he got injured.

00:35:50
Speaker 2: He might be the all time record.

00:35:52
Speaker 6: He's got more thirty touchdown seasons in college and like the Bears having their history, Yeah, but that's not saying anything.

00:36:00
Speaker 2: They still haven't had a four thousand yard passer. Are they going to get that this year? I think they will with Caleb Waims. So he gets the start against the Minnesota Vikings. That game is in London, and I know a lot's been made about Shador Sanders. There's nothing to talk about until he plays. That's all. This is a clickbait media Forest Rex Ryan very animated being critical. You know, it's low hanging fruit. I want to be fair to the kid, you know, and I have you know, people that I talk to and they say that he's done a good job. I don't know about him studying or not studying, but I got to be fair to what I How I cover this, Let me wait till he starts a game. If there's a reason why he's not playing, or he's the third string quarterback, or he's not going to be on the roster. Okay, then i'd cover that, but the other stuff, you know, does he He's been the star everywhere he's gone and now you're not a star. And that's really hard, especially at that position. He wants attention, he wants to be the focal point. He wants to be the star, and he's not. And I think that that can sometimes show up in immaturity.

00:37:19
Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin, And I'm sure it's got to be tough for him because last season he probably thought he was going to be a first round draft pick, top five pick, right, so it's got to be a very humbling experience. Wait, I'm the third I'm a fifth round draft pick, and now I'm the third string quarterback.

00:37:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dylan, I mean people were like shocked that he didn't get named the starter, but he was the last guy in the depth chart, Like they're just going in order.

00:37:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're trying to make this more than what it is. And look, this is the approach with some shows and some networks. But I got to be fair to the kid, and I hope he gets the opportunity. I don't know if he's any good. I voted for him third in the Heisman. I thought that much of him when I watched him play. But if he can't play in the NFL, maybe it's with another team. And you know, at that position, you gotta be mature. You can't be a goofball. Those days are long gone. They're paying you a lot. These guys get a lot of money. You can't be a goofball immature. You know. That's where I hope that he reads the room and gets the opportunity to be able to play, because that's all you want for any of these guys, just get a chance to play. Dylan Gabriel is getting a chance to play sooner than I thought. But I do think that he can play. I don't know if he's a franchise quarterback, but I do think that he can play because I saw him play in three different places and he was successful.

00:38:52
Speaker 3: Yes, still, have you noticed that that's kind of the trend now that it's actually more attractive for a quarterback to play six years in college as opposed to trying to jump early because out of any position a lot more you can get reps under you the better.

00:39:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this has to do with COVID and those those days are done. You know the bonus year is due to COVID. We won't have this again. Well, hopefully we don't have COVID again. David in Ohio, Hi David, what's on your mind?

00:39:19
Speaker 1: Hey?

00:39:19
Speaker 12: Dan?

00:39:20
Speaker 13: I got a right tomorrow's headline today, rams wide receivers go off. Whoka Nakua Matata needs no worries unless you try to cover him.

00:39:32
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan, A little wordy, but thank you David. Derek and Wisconsin. Hi Derek, what's on your mind?

00:39:41
Speaker 15: Hey?

00:39:41
Speaker 13: Dan? How are you doing great? Three two thirty five. Hey, So it's my birthday today and in the.

00:39:49
Speaker 15: Vein of me being a giving person, I wanted to get back to you. In the NFL, I have solved the overtime role on how we can make these games go quicker and be more engaging. So if you get the ball and receive it a kick a field goal, the other team just has to go for a touchdown. If you get the ball, score a touchdown and kick an extra point, the team then that receives the ball would have to go down, score a touchdown and go for two. If the first team gets the ball, scores a touchdown and goes for two games over. Second team doesn't get to touch it. They're gonna make for an awesome game.

00:40:24
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Derek. I like sudden death. If you get to overtime, all bets are off, you roll the dice and I it feels like a participatory you know situation. Hey, he got it, and now you have to get the ball too. Hey, Josh didn't get to have the ball in overtime. Don't go into overtime. And then it's just too many rules. They never subtract. They always ad they do. That's the NFL way. You got the ball, Now he gets the ball. You had the ball four quarters. He had the ball four quarters. Peter King's going to join us. Peter reached out yesterday and he goes, am, I the only person who likes ties I go in football. He goes yeah. I said, all right, well letn't you come on the show. He'll join us in twenty minutes from now.