Coach of the Year Rankings and Christmas Games Preview
Gregg Rosenthal and Ollie Connolly give you their top-five Coach of the Year Candidates heading into the final two weeks of the regular season (02:00). Gregg and Ollie also react to DK Metcalf being suspended for his altercation with a fan (29:26) and preview the Christmas Day games, starting with Cowboys at Commanders (33:25) followed by Lions at Vikings (38:20) and Broncos at Chiefs (47:00).
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2025-12-23
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00:00:04 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're feeling like Bart Simpson just writing we will not make fun of the Christmas Day games. We will not make fun of the Christmas Day games over and over on the chalkboard. We really aren't gonna make fun of them. We're gonna tell you why you can have some fun with these games. And by we, I mean myself coming to you from the Chris Westling podcast studio with my friend Ollie Connolly. Not on a weekend this week because of the holiday, we got Allie on a Tuesday to talk some Coach of the Year rankings. Are you ready, Allie to separate your favorite men in the entire NFL? 00:00:41 Speaker 2: I know you're a coaching guy. 00:00:43 Speaker 3: I am, and it's very, very difficult. Is this the widest open race since you've covid the spool, because I don't I remember year where it goes like eight nine deep? 00:00:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it absolutely is. 00:00:54 Speaker 1: I think I actually didn't have that hard of a time cutting off five. But once you got to five and we're going to count down from five to one, you can make such a strong case for any one of those five. It's just a beauty pageant where it's very, very subjective, So I would have no problem with anyone voting for any of these five men. And we do have two more weeks to go, so we're basing on the information that we have here. We will also hit some news we have the dk Metcalf suspension, and we will touch on the Christmas games and talk about kind of what we are looking for in those games after the break. 00:01:31 Speaker 2: But yeah, let's start with the Coach of the Year, Alie. 00:01:35 Speaker 1: It really is wide open, and the last couple of weeks could matter because we have a couple guys who have a chance to win this award that are going up against each other the last couple weeks. So putting that out of the way, I asked you to go five to one before we get into it. You said you could go eight ten deep. Who are the honorable mentioned guys that you could not even get into your top five. 00:01:58 Speaker 2: You just want to give a little shout out. 00:01:59 Speaker 3: To, Yeah, I couldn't get Shane Steiken in there. I think over the first half the season, that's as good a job as anyone could have done by I don't think you can do that based on what's happened down the stretch for An, I didn't have Sean Payton in my top five, and that one really hurt because I think Sean Payton will be a worthy winner, and so to me, it's the top six and Peyton will be my first one out where it's difficult to split between the top six. 00:02:20 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's tricky because Sean Payton comes into the year and he says we're a super Bowl potential team, and so the expectations are raised. But you got to think of like where he is with the second year quarterback, the second year in his program. 00:02:34 Speaker 2: And I did give a. 00:02:35 Speaker 1: Little extra credit to coaches who it's not necessarily all just about this year. If the principles that they've set up and the culture they've established are burying fruit, now I give a little extra credit, and Peyton should get some there. I will mention like, look, Dimiko Ryans came to Houston to build the exact defense that he's built and it's happening. And so they're ten and five. But he couldn't make it for me. Dave Canalis has his team in first place. Nobody expected that it's such a big group this year that I defaulted to who are the best teams and the Panthers are not one of the best teams, but he should get a little bit of mention. And then Sean McVay. He's kind of in the Andy Reid mold here where in Bill Belichick back in the day that you could put Sean McVay on the list any year and I wouldn't have a problem with it. And yet he was number five at number six or seven for me, along with Sean Payton. So I'm assuming Sean mcvay' is not on your top five, but maybe maybe he is. 00:03:30 Speaker 3: Mcvay's. Mcvay's My frustration with the award in general, which is that we give credit to people we thought wouldn't be good going into the season, and we say, we're so sorry, here is an award. Where is Joe McVay. He's just everything you expect, which is he is the best head coach in the NFL proved. Yeah, he gets put in Michael Jordan lebron category where it's like, well, both of you winning every time, so we'll give it to someone else. 00:03:51 Speaker 1: Okay, but you can be the change you know, you could be the change you want to see in the world. I always say that on this show, like don't worry about what people did in the past. Could be a taste maker now, Ali, I mean you obviously are on the read optional. You have a lot of people in the league reading your stuff on your substeck and listening. But now we're bringing you to the people. Maybe some AP voters are out there listening. You could be the change. You could put McVeigh one and make the case last year I had Andy Reid first, and I stand by that that he would have been a better choice. I would be happy with Andy Reid last year. All right, let's get into our top five. 00:04:24 Speaker 2: Though, well, what do you want to say about mcvagh. Then you sounded like I'm jumping. 00:04:28 Speaker 3: I'm not so sure that Chris Balad needs to read the read option to know show mcvay'stball coach. 00:04:34 Speaker 2: That's fair. Okay. 00:04:36 Speaker 1: What we're gonna do so that we really raised the drama. This is, you know, big time pre holiday podcasting here is that we're going to go five to one. 00:04:46 Speaker 2: But we won't say where. 00:04:47 Speaker 1: You know our other guy is if we have him higher than the other and Ali, I'll have you start out with your number five. 00:04:54 Speaker 3: My numb of five is Ben Johnson with the Bess. This falls nicely into the turnaround. I agree, though I don't think quite a star could turn around, as maybe guys who could be higher up on the list. I think if you just look at some of the defensive fragility and someone maybe the look involved on that side of the ball, it's a slight demerit for me can bet to some other guys in the list. But I do think you have to say that everything he visioned and bet on with this franchise, whether it's the partnership with Caleb Williams, whether it's rebuilding the offensive line, where it's building out a staff really smartly saying I'm gonna go get Dennis Allen, some with head coaching experience, kind of guided me through the work week, someone who I can just trust on one side of the ball as I kind of deal with one side and start resetting the Colts tore in Chicago. Everything he kind of dreamed up going into the season. 00:05:35 Speaker 1: It has worked out, and Caleb Williams has developed. Now he hasn't turned like Drake May in his second year, to a guy that's in the MVP mix, not just you know, not even the Pro Bowl mix. It's not when they announced the Pro Bowl on Tuesday. No one is saying Caleb Williams was a snub, but he gets credit for the improvement certainly that Caleb Williams have. Yeah, I think the questions for Ben Johnson coming into the year was a little bit about culture and is he a leader of men and all that stuff, And in the offseason I think he helped to put that to bed. But he does remind me a little bit of Sean McVeigh in that it's gonna be a coach led organization. I think Ryan Poles, who was there, maybe it's a comparison to the less Need relationship, is gonna be kind of serving Ben Johnson and what he sees and the fact that they made their offensive line work, especially when you talk about vision, I think is really impressive for what Ben Johnson has done. 00:06:32 Speaker 3: No, I agree, And I think with Johnson he was kind of miscast and misguided from the outside like, oh, he's the dog, he's the he's the x's and o's guy. And then now that you see him from the cameras and doing the celebration, this man has a Stone Gould psychedpad. He is in that Don Embel vision of raw, raw nonsense. He does also as a little genius bend to him too, which I think is why you get to more McVeigh than someone like Shanna and Westshanan's a little bit more Dowa and those are his kind of self skills, whereas Johnson is a little bit more in the flow of McVeigh, Don Campbell and Kentucky to the raw roth side. 00:07:00 Speaker 2: To me, and he just has an edge to him. 00:07:03 Speaker 1: And I'll always remember, you know, Belichick, you know, in his his book with Halberston said, you know, once I learned as a young assistant, once I could just help a player, you know, be better or do something they couldn't do before, Like they will respect me for that. That's the number one thing you can do. And I think that's ultimately the number one thing Ben Johnson has. It's crazy that, you know, he could be fifth on a list, and it's crazy for me as a Patriots fan that I'm putting rabel fifth on my list. I got a text from our our good friend Jordan, who was really missing being on this show because she loves talking coaches. But we could wrap it up with the Coach of the Year rankings at the end of the year too, because you know, we never know and in terms of at least finalizing it, but I put Rabel fifth, and I know you know you don't have him this low, so we'll find out where you have him. I don't want to turn this into like picking the reasons I didn't have him higher. It's just an incredible, incredible year. They won eight games combined the previous two years. That that is the case for him. He is as important, you know, a coach as there is in a building. He feels like a shadow general manager. Maybe you give him a little love for that. Maybe you give him a little love for bringing the best out of Josh McDaniels. Jordan pointed that out, although there was some reporting around the fact that Robert Kraft was really insisting on that coaching higher, you can get into that. Maybe when when you talk Vrabel, I'm gonna be real, I'm going to give him a little bit of knock for two things, at least when I'm separating everything out. He's in some years he would win the award. The knock would be number one. He's won it before, which maybe that's not fair. But I look at these other great coaches, some of who've been a top the league plenty of times and they haven't won it before. It's such a beauty pageant, silly type of award. I do think you spreading it out is okay, and that the schedule matters to me like it's unfortunate. But I think if they had a tougher schedule, and by basically every metric, they are the easiest schedule in the league, one of the easiest schedules we've seen in years, that they would have like a ten and five record, that there may be more like that type of team, or even a nine and six type of team, which is no like major knock. But I'm looking at it and if I'm going to make a tiebreaker who has the best team who, I think it's obviously subjective. The record would tell you the Patriots are one of them. That's just a little bit of a separator for me. But my god, he has done an amazing job. His soft skills, as you would say with Drake may have, is incredible, and really with the entire team, he has them fired up and playing well without a very good roster when you compare it to the other candidates here. 00:09:35 Speaker 3: So I just want to clarify that one of your knocks there was that he's too good at his job, and yes, okay, good, this is it. 00:09:43 Speaker 2: He can win it again. 00:09:44 Speaker 1: But as a little tie break, it's like Stefanski won it twice, like Ron Rivera won it twice. 00:09:50 Speaker 2: We've had some guys just like keep winning it over and over. 00:09:53 Speaker 1: And when I look at some of the other guys here, I'll mention, Ben Johnson's my fourth. So we kind of talked Ben Johnson, but this was five and four to me. And when you see, you know, the top three teams, I think we're going to have the same five guys. I do think those teams are just like a smidge better. But Ben Johnson, I'll mention, has a chance these last couple of weeks to have a really strong closing statement to beat the packers, and then if he can potentially beat the forty nine ers this week, that would be an incredible stretch run. And I had my doubts that the offensive line, when they did all the investments and they sort of had that vision, would all work out, and then you look at it and they've made it happen. Do you have any problems with my label ranking clearly you do, because you got a higher I. 00:10:39 Speaker 3: Have some problems. I have more problems with the logic, I think than the actual ranking. I think you can throw any of these guys and it makes sense. I think you're chasing reasons of the list in the order you want to and I as. 00:10:48 Speaker 2: A podcast, Yeah, that's good, that's probably true. 00:10:50 Speaker 1: Game management is obviously a huge strength for him, and like he turned a desolate building around pretty quickly, so did Ben Johnson. 00:11:00 Speaker 3: And the strength of schedule thing that that is a fair argument to make and to put into its correct historical context. But it's not as though people were looking at them on their schedule yes to open the season and saying, oh, that's a tough one against the Pets. Like so it wills kind of both ways in that regard that they can't dictate the schedule. He's playing. He's played with the ill equipped Rosta and winning games. 00:11:20 Speaker 1: I shouldn't really go negative because I know all the Patriots fans are just gonna key on on that. It's more about the positives that the others have brought to the table, and the fact that when I look at those beautiful DVOA rankings and I see the Patriots twenty sixth in defense, I'm. 00:11:36 Speaker 2: Like, that kind of makes sense to me. I can see it. 00:11:39 Speaker 1: This team is tricky and and Mike Rabil as an incredible head coach. He has not brought great defenses. Basically wherever he's been he's at. He had one or two good years in Tennessee, mostly bad years on defense, including when he was a coordinator. 00:11:51 Speaker 2: All right, who is next on your list? Number four? 00:11:55 Speaker 3: Number four for me is Liam Cohen with the Jags. I think that pressed me the most with William Cohen this season is I had real concerns about the staff he assembled and his readiness and preparedness to actually be in the big chair to make the big boy calls, to have to run the meetings, to make the key decisions, and not just kind of be in the background, you know, second guessing what everyone else is doing in the building. And to see him stave off a mid season slump, to me, showed me he's really got the goods for this long term. That I knew he was one of the best offensive architects of the modern era, I thought that you could book that in was a little bit concerned about the connection with Iman Trevor Lawrence and how that would work short term, a medium term, but after the collapse against the Texans, to not go into a slump. And we've seen the Jags do this before. They are regularly every two three seasons one of the hottest teams in the league. For a month, they have some kind of slip and often it can just descend from there. Him to be able to pull that out, address the issues with the team, rework the offense, make the trade for Jacobi mys and make that fit so simlessly from the jump, that to me is as impressive as he's done as a head coach. The offensive off was always going to be brilliant, but what he's done as a head coach with a really inexperienced staff is pretty impressive to me. 00:13:00 Speaker 1: You might have him first, I mean, he's your guy. You were banging the drum this offseason and even going into it that Cohen was like a real deal difference maker, if not at the level of Ben Johnson, like very close and that you know, coaching candidates like him don't come around too often, and that's why I have him on my list too. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: I have him third. 00:13:22 Speaker 1: So you kind of led right into my number three, so we can just talk about him now. They did, you know, have the bones of a decent team in there. They only had four wins last year, but it's a lot of players that were there when they won nine games back to back the previous two years. But the thing that's really impressive to me, Ali is you can just see this as a Liam Cohen team. And so when I say that, what is being a Liam Cohen team when you watch this Jaguars team mean to you? 00:13:51 Speaker 3: It means the explosive plays, It means the commitment to the rung game, being tied to the play action game and trying to maximize what we can get from Trevor Lawrence. It means spreading the wealth around in running passing game with as many weapons as possible. And I think you see all that on film. The thing that really impresses me is, I know they've had issues with some of the penalties and particularly in the season, kind of the offensive structure in that sense, but all the little details add up with them all over both sides of the ball, and special teams as well. They're one of the best special teams units in the league. And I mentioned the inexperienced of the staff. I was. I was, as you said, banging the drum for Liam Cohen in the offseason as a head coach. I had real reservations about his connection in the league to build a good enough staff around him. You know, his job. He's jumped from job to job everywhere. I don't think that within the league he's considered the loyalist guy to maybe go and work for. And so he's got all these young people built in his image doing a job for the first time. If you just go through their staff, or a defensive line coach first time doing that, offensive line coach, first time doing that, you can trust it. With Ben Johnson, he says, any people who've done the job before. I'll get Decklan Doyle, who's a young, cool offensive mind, to help me out with that stuff. But I'm gonna go get Dennis Allen, someoneh's been a head coach can show me the ropes. Liam Cohen built it in his image. It's all new guys, all his friends or young pe and I just didn't think that would all come together ring yea one. I thought it would be a bit more of a slow bill two years, maybe three years before we would see the best of it, and yet we've already seen it in y one. 00:15:08 Speaker 1: And I absolutely give credit to the hirings that the coach makes and the fact that he's doing it with such a young staff a little extra credit there. And then Anthony Campanila that the defensive coordinator, who would you know, an interesting name but a surprising one to get that job out of Green Bay, a guy that they identified and has done a good job. So I think it's the way that Trevor Lawrence has transformed the last five weeks that really does it for me. And I wouldn't have a problem with anyone voting any of these top five number one. But I think that was the last piece that Cohen needed to show, was Trevor and him clicking. And we've talked about it on this show when they brought in Jacoby Myers. Jordan's been all over this and trying to fit the right guys, you know, into the right spots. Before we wrap, Cohen, just how have you seen kind of the offense transform and him figure out problem solve as the season's gone on, Because to me, that that is next level coaching, and really all the guys that we're going to talk about today I think has done some form of that, but how has he done it? 00:16:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing with Liam Cohen is he really just changed the offense every single week. A lot of teams don't do that. They have staple concepts, they maybe draw them up or show a different formation. He will design stuff that is fresh and game plan specific every single week and you just don't see that even at this highest of level. And what Mayas has done for them is just brought in a professional, capable receiver who knows where it to be, does all the dirt to it, will block for you, will pin inside, We'll run routes appropriately, will catch the ball when it's thrown him. It's a revolutionary concept to the Jackstas season. When the bullets in your hands, you should maybe hold onto the thing. And so just having that sense of reliability, having Brenton strings a sense of reliability where we'll not give Liam all the credit is Trevor Lawrence has just gone super and Ova, I'm not sure that your caught back rolling to his left with you know, pressure to his face and ripping a forty r bullet down field is like brilliant coaching. I think that's just a player on a crazy home streak, playing at the peak of his powers. But Lawrence certain looks more comfortable in the offense, whereas for the first six seven weeks he went, they were winning games, things looked a big bitty, They looked a little bit uncomfortable. 00:17:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to give a little credit to Trent Balki back in the day because of some of his players who are making big time plays. I thought about that too in the Broncos game that yes, scheme was great, but they also just like won some one on one matchups in really impressive ways. I'm amazed that you only had your guy Cohen fourth. I almost only put him third because I didn't want us to get over as skis and just have all Cohen all the time. 00:17:31 Speaker 2: Who do you have third? 00:17:33 Speaker 3: I have Mike McDonald third, and this one did because he probably should win. But he just deserves credit for the two key decisions he made in the offseason, I think, which is moving on from Gino Smith unfortunately, you know, sad for us looks washed in Vegas going to get Sam Donald and then paring him in hiring Klint Kubiak, And those are the two biggest, most decisive decisions he could make him one off season and both have been slum dunks. 00:17:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you look at what he's done on defense, and this is kind of where I'm getting to my two year process. What do you like best about watching this Mike McDonald defense. I know we're coming off of a rough performance for them, but they're another team that's gonna be interesting to watch these last two weeks. He goes up against Canalis uh and then he goes up against Shanahan in the last week. So my not so hot take is this award is yet to be won. The last couple of weeks is gonna matter a lot. But like, what do you like best about watching this version maybe year two of the Seahawks defense? 00:18:32 Speaker 3: Why like this season is it's a little bit more disguise or into than was last year when he was really trying to figure things out the massive communication problems at the first half of last season. They dressed it with the Onest Jones trade in the middle of the year, but Ernest Jones struggled with communication himself, So this year they'd be more aligned and being able to get just the broader menu of things. And the thing that McDonald does, I think better than most defensive minds. Is they do not run a lot of stuff. He's given like the genius tag because you know he's young and a lot of stuff, but they don't actually run a massive amount of different things defensively. They just always pick the right stuff every week. You know, he'll hit on four or five key principles he wants for the week. They use it to the absolute max. It's the same style as you'll see with McVeigh on offense, where it's we'rening the same stuff dressed up slightly differently. They bring an offensive mindset to the defensive side of the ball, and then he's just had a dominant four down rush. I mean they have probably if you look at the old pro teams the end of the season, the interior defensive line two of that guys should probably be the second team interior defensive line players. So they just have a dominant down four to go and play with that you can have the kind of fun and creativity on the back end. 00:19:32 Speaker 1: Okay, so we've reached our top two picks, and I'm I guess I'm not shocked because for me, like I said, the top five was relatively easy to get. 00:19:41 Speaker 2: The five so we had the same five. 00:19:42 Speaker 1: So by process of elimination, let's just give our top two picks now, because to me it's down to McDonald and Kyle Shanahan, and for you it's down to rabel In Shanahan. So I'm gonna give you my top two picks. Your number three is my number one. I am going with Mike McDonald and it's a combination of everything. And when I first wrote the list, he's fourth or fifth. And the longer I thought about it, I was like, why wouldn't Mike McDonald be the head coach to win Coach of the Year this year? Because you talked about sometimes it's the guy who did it versus expectations, and I think that's worth considering. Well, the Seahawks over under win total before the year, I think is as good a way to talk about as anything. They were an eight and a half win team before the year in Vegas. That's actually the same as the Patriots, it's the same as the Bears. Depending on where you look. It's two less than the forty nine ers, and they are the best team in the NFL. 00:20:35 Speaker 2: So that gets me somewhere. 00:20:37 Speaker 1: If you win these last two games, especially then you go to his side of the ball. 00:20:42 Speaker 2: That doesn't matter to me a little bit. 00:20:44 Speaker 1: Being that badass play caller building a side of the ball, that's one thing I guess I've able, you know, just lacks just a little bit. He had a vision for this defense. They're number one in terms of DVOA efficiency right now, like it's been a two year process. I think they're very good in game management. I think he did well with his hire, especially on special teams. They're an outstanding team. It's just a full, complete team. And when I just went through all the different boxes, he checked the most of them, and I just thought, well, you should give it to the best team. And it might come down for me to that that Week eighteen game, Kyle Shanahan versus Mike McDonald, If that is for the one seed, it's stupid, but it's probably for my Coach of the Year too, because we can get into all the reasons why Kyle Shanahan's having an incredible season. He would be an absolutely worthy winner. But right now, as it's stacked, I have it McDonald won Shanahan too. 00:21:37 Speaker 3: Who do you have on top of your list? So I have Mike vrabel to, I have Kyle shana on one. Okay, I'll just say quickly on Mike McDonald, I think that you're absolutely right that they will should be decided by who wins the NFC West, and if that winds up being McVeigh, just give it to McVeigh. If we talking about strength of schedule, having to get through that conference, through that division is the toughest thing you can possibly do. And McDonald is a false multiplier defensively that you just rarely see with a head coach. It's it's hard to find a defensive minding coach who year of a year can get the best out of some of the pods. And I think he's obviously done that. And that was the vision when they brought him in right to take on shout out ata McVeigh in that division, was well, we'll go get the defensive guy who can slow those two offensive gurus down and if they go on to win the division, they'll approven the theory. 00:22:21 Speaker 1: Right, And let's be real when we're talking strength to schedule. Kyle Shanahan with mac Jones went to LA and won, and it was early in the season, but he got that win against Seattle. So when you think about like the brilliance of their offense. Obviously it's a year to year basis, and it's kind of like I was saying with Andy Reid, and I don't mind giving McVeigh this credit too, Like I will give the coach credit for just always being awesome and building a structure where you don't have to start it over from scratch each year. If he goes and does win these final two games, I mean he will be my pick. Who is your pick between him and Vrabel? 00:22:59 Speaker 2: Right now? 00:23:01 Speaker 3: Shanna ann is won for me? Okay, I just if the job is to be the coach of the year, how is it not coaching to have all those different injuries and just keep finding a way to churn thrown wing games and including as you mentioned, big matchup Thursday night football against the Rams. And this is where I kind of am a hypocrite to myself because I was down on them coming into the season and usually if they're healthy, they make a championship game, or they get decimated by injuries and they fall off. This year, he's been decimated by injuries and still found a way to keep the thing churning. And I just looked them to open the ear I didn't think they were as talented as people thought they were anymore. I thought the idea that you could fix something as structurally flawed as their run defense by just drafting players, thinking a draft class could fix your run defense with just kind of fancyland type stuff, and some of that has played out. But to keep doing what he's doing on offense without the lack of playmakers being down off and just it's Christie McCaffrey and nothing else, and being able to just sustain a level until you start getting some of the reinforcements back and get a little bit healthy to close the season. It's just I think as good as a coaching job as anyone could do. It could have been very easy, I think, to have a degree of burnout. He's been there so long, the same message they brought Robert Sella back. That felt very uninspired to me to go back to Robert Sella, and it would have been easy, I think, with all those injuries to have lost the building and for this have gone off the rails frims just keep it triggering along into being with a real shof having the one seed is just preposterous. 00:24:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, because I know it's coach of the year, But coaching is not a one year job. We can be the change that we want to see ali and choose the person that is giving yourself a schematic advantage each and every week. Has identified the right players for his system and that they're able to deal with the kind of losses that they've had this year on both sides of the ball. I think that's great to point out that the offense had a ton of injuries early and if he somehow finds a way and look, I think they're probably the underdogs in both these games against the Bears and certainly the Seahawks, but if he can somehow find a way to win those two games, it's undeniable. Because it's Mac Jones stepping in. You get kind of both cases. Sometimes it's a big coach of the Year thing when you can win with the backup. So you got to get the case with the backup and a lot of backups on the offensive line at the skill positions when Mac Jones was in there, and they found a way to get it done offensively. But you're also seeing okay with Brock Purdy and the skill position guy's healthy. This is maybe the best offense in the league. It's certainly in the top five, and then you give Shanahan credit for that. I want you to give all the great reasons why Mike Rabel is number two on your list and knocking on the door maybe wins this award. 00:25:39 Speaker 3: In the end, I just think you're understating what a mess that entire building was in last season, and to have even smiles on faces would have been an unbelievable job. And he's not exactly a guy who comes into but smiles on faces in the first place, So it's an unbelievable turnaround to me. Obviously, unlocking Drake mayon whether it was Robert Craft two hired him where I think Jonathan Craft did Hi Josh McDaniels, but being able to acquiesce that and kind of accept and submerge your ego to say, Okay, that's best for the franchise, We'll do that. That pairing working really well. And I know you mentioned defensively they've not been that good. They did lose their DC for the entire season, essentially, Terrell Williams going out with the Canton diagnosis. He was back in the building last week to help out and being willing to step and say, well, but Zach kor in charge, who is a really young guy, is only the col defense at the college level. To be willing to let someone do that and take on more responsibility in that direction himself as the head coach, I think is pretty cool stuff. So to even stay afloat when you've had that happen to the building with a lack of just general talent they have on that side the ball, and they've had a bunch of injuries on that side of the ball too. Just staying afloat enough to allow the offense to take over and close out games, I think is pretty remarkable. 00:26:49 Speaker 2: I think that's all dead on. 00:26:52 Speaker 1: I'm almost hearing like Belichick's voice in my ears like wow, you know points, points matter too, don't they? And it's like, yeah, they are seventh in point it's allowed points is an important statistic when it comes to defense. And yes, the schedule helped him on that too. But they've been pretty good in situational football. And that's the thing that you've gotten with Rabel is you're getting the full suite. It's not like it's not like a coach with like he's got this strength, but some real shortcomings there. He can do this like you get Mike Rabel, and he can do it all in terms of leading the building, leading the players, not just motivation, but understanding the right buttons to press strategically because they are one of the best teams in terms of game management, and uh, the staff he's brought in and the staff he took over. 00:27:36 Speaker 2: It's all fair. 00:27:37 Speaker 1: I'm totally happy if if Rabel wins the award. It was it's just very difficult to split these five up like they're all it's a very strong year. I can't remember a year like this where there's this many good candidates now. 00:27:50 Speaker 3: I think Vrabel also deserves credit for every single bet he's made. You know, you called him the shadow Gem. I think he's just the gem, just like whatever you said, Boss, every single bet he made where he was sort of mocked right for he's coming back and he's getting the Tennessee band back. I was like, well, how great were those Tennessee teams in the first place. This thing has a chance to maybe go off the rails as he still have the magic. Does he really make a significant difference as a play caller on any side of the ball If he's the overseer, how is this going to go? 00:28:17 Speaker 4: Well? 00:28:17 Speaker 3: He came in the institute of the Coltree, brought in Bobby Splainey Bond and calevon Chase, only signed Milton Williams to big money every single one of those bets he's made, even trading away established veterans safeties to say, we're going with the young guys, and the young guys will play significantly better than the Vets who they've they've dealt away elsewhere, So budding trust and faith in some of the young plays and some of the play development has been impressive too. 00:28:38 Speaker 2: In their favorite to go fourteen and three. 00:28:40 Speaker 1: All they gotta do is beat the Jets, And I think the Dolphins will be a little trickier in Week eighteen, but they could be fourteen and three, and if they are, that would be My guess is he would He would win the award, barring Shanahan winning these two games, but my vote is for Mike McDonald. 00:28:56 Speaker 2: I would have no problem with him winning. 00:28:58 Speaker 1: I personally don't give him the extra credit or at least much for the signings, but I think it's totally reasonable to do so, and to think about the personnel of it all when you got Mac Collins out there making big time plays for you in big spots. 00:29:13 Speaker 2: Okay, let's take a quick break. 00:29:15 Speaker 1: We're going to come back on the other side and we'll do a little bit of news and we will talk about those Christmas. 00:29:21 Speaker 2: Day games back on the NFL Daily. 00:29:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm feeling a little bad because I forgot to mention Jim Harbaugh in those honor Old Mendons. He would have been eighth. By the way, that's how good a year it is that Jim Harbaugh. He's not even getting into the top five with an incredible coaching job. But we are going to do some news. Yes, got the news Alie on Monday that DK Metcalf will be suspended two games for physically confronting a Lions fan in Detroit. As of this taping, we're waiting to find out about the appeal. One reason why I didn't bring it up on the Monday night recap. First of all, I was just basket in the afterglow of Philip Rivers playing outstanding. But the other on was I was hoping to find out about the appeal. But as of this daping, we don't know. It could possibly go down to one game. Mike Tomlin spoke about the suspension, and DK metcalf on Tuesday. 00:30:25 Speaker 5: He did explain to me why he did what he did, and I certainly don't condone the behavior, but I support DK, and I really don't have a lot to add other than what I just told you. I think he has a hearing this afternoon and appeals hearing, and I certainly don't want to weigh in prior to that, and certainly I've heard more recently that there might be legal ramifications, and so I better be careful about what I say and how I say it. 00:30:52 Speaker 1: The NFL, you know, had a statement supporting pretty clearly in the player Conduct Policy of why they made the decision that they made. Just thinking about it on the field, Allie, there was a part of me that just wanted to be smarty and be like, well, this is what Aaron Rodgers and Arthur Smith want anyways. An entire offense built out of Kenny Gainwell, Darnell Washington, with a little bit of Jalen Warren and Scottie Miller mixed in. Do you think this impacts the Steeler, especially this week against the Browns trying to win the AFC North. 00:31:27 Speaker 3: I think it does against the Browns because you're gonna see such a man coverage heavy unit and the only man coverage they beat that they have is just let's get the ball to DK, and so if you've ripped it out, I think that's a problem. It's actually hilarious that the line switched to the most own coverage they've played in two seasons, effectively against the one team they didn't need to do that against, and then got roasted yottage wise. So I think it impacts against the Browns. I think less of against the Ravens, whey they kind of get into big bully ball mode and run the ball down that throats a little bit of Ben Scronic thrown in, But I think it does impact De Manster Browns. 00:31:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really interesting what if because if they had seen what happened on Sunday between between DK, you know, shoving, grabbing the collar of the fan, he would have gotten ejected from that game. And ultimately he did make some key catches down the stretch in that game which helped them win. And because they did win that game, they might not need him at all to win the AFC North. They might not even have to play to win the AFC North because the Ravens are on Saturday Night, They're gonna be underdogs against the Packers. We're still gonna have to find out who the quarterbacks are there. But the Ravens lose that game and then yeah, the Steelers win on Sunday. You know, they could take care of business before dk UH is even back. Okay, let's talk Christmas games. I joked about it at the top. We've all, uh, we've all had our fun. This is what it is people and people are saying that are they gonna build in flexible you know, scheduling into future Christmas games if it's in the middle of the week, it's tough. Like Patrick Mahomes did not tear his acl until a week and a half before this game. I don't know if they're going to be able to have a situation, for instance, where they could flex it that close for a midweek game. Anyways, they don't do that right now. And for instance, with the Minnesota Vikings losing JJ McCarthy and Washington, you know, all these injuries happen late. It's just what happens at this time of year. The football schedule is unpredictable, but it will start on Netflix, Ali, with the Cowboys being seven point favorites in Washington, we got Iron Eagle, Nate Burleson, and Matt Ryan. These are kind of one off cruise here for the Netflix games, but I like that crew. I'm looking forward to it. We kind of decided to pose this as like, what would you look forward to in this game? Ali, Like, I don't know what your plans are on Christmas? Are you in Manchester? Like where are you going to be on Christmas? 00:33:56 Speaker 3: I will be in Manchester. I'll be glued to Netflix and then to Amazon Prime La Toronto watch these glorious series of matches. 00:34:03 Speaker 2: Now you don't have to do that. 00:34:05 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like in any football game, I'm I do feel like a sicko sometimes, Like whenever these games get closer, I do get a feeling of just like I am excited, here comes another NFL game that hasn't that hasn't left me here on Christmas. It's a little much, but there's always something to watch for me. I guess I would just start with Dak Prescott, who's coming off a fantastic game against the Chargers. And I know a lot of people say, like, oh, Winter football, Like I love it. With the weather and the conditions and like close cold weather games, It's like, no, I'd rather see Dak Prescott ripping highlight reel throws in George Pickens and Cedee Lamb kind of just going nuts on a pretty underwhelming defense. 00:34:44 Speaker 2: And I can absolutely see that happening. 00:34:45 Speaker 1: I know it's in Washington, so the weather could be bad here, but I do think it could be a game for Dak to just go off and put up some big numbers. 00:34:54 Speaker 3: I do think this is a fun early one because I think we're gonna get a ton of points. Since Week eight, the Commander's thirty second in the league in past defense EPA PO play, the Cowboys are thirty first, and Malcus Mario is no longer just kind of the officion get the ball out guy that he's being for most as great he is gunning down the field. I don't know where he is right now, but a couple of weeks back he was the leader in the league in yachts per attempt, and he's really trying to drive the ball down the field in ways that Marxs Mariot is not normally accustomed to doing. So we're gonna get Dak thrownkitas, you got bumbles away, Malcus Mario diad we got two stinky defenses. I think there could be some fun points on the line. 00:35:28 Speaker 1: Now, I did a bad job setting you up because as of Tuesday, we do not know the starting quarterback of Washington. 00:35:34 Speaker 2: But I did some digging this morning. 00:35:37 Speaker 1: Uh And by digging, I mean I searched Twitter and Marcus Mariota not seen at practice the last two days they have been practicing. And then I did a little more digging, which is just texting various insiders and whatnot. Who would know more? And again no one is reporting, No one knows. But I think the betting favorite right now would be Josh Johnson starting this game for the Commanders, in part because they signed Jeff Driscoll to the active roster off the street, which we're getting deep here, and the reason they would sign Driscoll. I don't think it's to start Driscoll, but because they don't trust uh Hartman Sid Hartman to even be their backup. 00:36:16 Speaker 2: Who Sam Hartman? 00:36:18 Speaker 1: Rather, I was thinking about Sid Luckman, the great quarterback back in the day, Sam Hartman, that they don't even trust him to be the backup. 00:36:26 Speaker 2: But who knows. 00:36:26 Speaker 1: Maybe it's Driscoll and Johnson on Christmas, so that could be good. It's a group that would make the Cowboys look better defensively. 00:36:36 Speaker 3: That is true. Jos Johnson also has no pulse, so he almost may will be bums away, so that's exciting. So I think he could have a drive up and down the old time situation. I respect these plays quotes back for the Commandos, there will be a sea of coverage buss in the flakiest defense in the league that plays about three different coverages, and SMA still finds a way to bust it full five times a game. 00:36:57 Speaker 1: I know it's on three days rest, but who would complain? If Philip Rivers just joined the Commanders right now and you put him on Christmas against the Cowboys, Philip Rivers might complain it might be tough in that offense. I'm liking Dallas. I'm giving everyone free picks just for little extra value. Dallas covering the seven here. I did want to listen to Jerry Jones, by the way, after the game on Sunday, he was asked about the difficult decisions when it comes to Matt Eberflus, his coordinator. 00:37:27 Speaker 2: After the season I. 00:37:29 Speaker 6: Don't know that, relatively speaking, might not couch it as difficult. Certainly something that we have to do, and that is look at the entire year and look at what our options are and how to correct not being here at the same time next year. 00:37:51 Speaker 2: That is absolutely brutal. I mean, he was in the family, Matt Abraflus. 00:37:56 Speaker 3: How do you even show up for what the next of you? Myt eba Flus. It's like, if you're gonna let me go out the in the season, can I just get to Miami two weeks early and go and have a vacation. 00:38:03 Speaker 1: You're a professional and you think about hopefully the generous contract. I'm guessing that Matt Eberflus is near the top of the defensive coordinator pay rankings in the NFL, and that money is guaranteed after this year. So you keep showing up and collecting those checks for two more weeks and hope that you have a good matchup against Josh Johnson. All right, in the middle matchup, we have the Lions. This will matter for playoff positioning if the Lions lose this game in Minnesota and get swept by the Vikings, because yes. 00:38:33 Speaker 2: The Vikings. 00:38:34 Speaker 1: Pete Minnesota. I mean beat the Lions earlier this season. Then the Lions are eliminated here in week seventeen, that would be really sad. It would be even sadder because they're facing our guy, Max Brozmer. The Lions are six point favorites in Minnesota. What are you looking for most in this game? 00:38:57 Speaker 3: What I'm looking for is the offensive line the Lions and the here offensive line. Do we have a health update on who will be starting at center for the Lions? Are we aware of who that will be? Because this thing of rotating through and changing your center almost drive by drive, both being terrible, both being able to stop the ball is a real, real problem at Jared Goff is of so much credit for last week for standing in in an absolute fire. It was a storm around him and just throwing dime after dime down the field. But they've had a compromise offensive line for the entire season. This was Penny Sewell's worst game of the season, oh wow, and probably the most game of his career last week. And the interior is just such a problem. And it really showed up that if your interior is weak, and particularly if it's slow off the ball, it is the whole house of cards falls in. So they got to try and correct some of that stuff. They've got to have a solid protection plan against the chaotic and chaos of Brian Flores, And I just got to see, does that thing look a little bit tightened up? Because even if they sneak into the postseason here, I just think they are so fundamentally flawed with that offensive line that they'll they'll get waxeddilly on anyway. 00:39:55 Speaker 1: I mean Kingsley, Ego Khan, Gego Kuhn had he had some fun run run game reps. I don't know, maybe those are just like highlight reel reps. But it's funny because we're watching Jared Goff's best moments last week, and because you're talking about the interior line, I'm looking and the interior line caves basically every play. They're at backups everywhere, and even the tackles you mentioned Sewell struggled. But Taylor Decker is not quite what he once was. And I agree Goff is playing quite well over the last five or six weeks. I think he's playing fantastic, But this is a dangerous matchup the Vikings defense. I couldn't believe this. They haven't given up a passing touchdown in like nine weeks. It's an NFL record, and they are balling out right now against bad offensive lines. This is a tough front for them to go against. Let's actually listen to Dan Campbell because we've been talking about the run game struggles for a while that Detroit's had. They just aren't the same team when they can't run the ball. 00:40:51 Speaker 4: It takes really all eleven guys to get the run game going. You know, everybody's got to be on pars. So it's one player here, whether it's in the old line or or at another spot. It's not just there. You know, the backs are involved, receivers, tight ends. So we just kind of took turns with whether it was some of the combinations or not. You know, we're not honoring the ID or maybe it's not the right read, but yeah, we had there was a couple in there. You know, I wish I could have had the calls back, a couple of calls back. 00:41:26 Speaker 2: Sad. Dan Campbell's kind of bumming me out right now. 00:41:29 Speaker 1: It's too bad because they didn't make that pass interference call on taslaw. This game would mean a lot more, and they would have found a way, you know, despite being down twelve points with under five to go to win that game. 00:41:42 Speaker 2: I thought that was a bad call. 00:41:43 Speaker 1: But what are you making of what Dan Campbell has been doing as a play caller and where he's at as their coach. 00:41:50 Speaker 3: I thought he was doing well and he didn't change a dramatic amount of the offense. He just started trying to feature plays more. He would kind of move around who was wearing the reed to try and feature plays more before when it was molted and it was it was just more of just call the plays and the guys are lined up where they're lined up. So I thought that was a smart little switch that he made. I thought last week against the Steelers was just very bizarre and that he abandoned a ton of the key principles that the Lions have. You mentioned from the run game struggles. They've over all a lot of the play action system because how poor the interior is. Jared Goff wants playing a vertical play action set where it's him deep in the pocket. Right, It's the classic like duo inside runs, you get the fake hand off. It's a deep vertical pocket. They don't move the pocket an awful lot. They had to move the pocket against the Steelers because you can't just sit in a deep vertical set if the interior is getting caved in every single time. And Jared Goffer isn't guy who can play on the move. He's not a boot action thrower. He's a deep vertical play action thrower. So he starts taking that stuff away from the Lions, you have real issues. They didn't have as many crossing and runaway type routes where you're just running to grass. There was a lot of return to the quarterback hitches and stops. That's just not who the Lions have been throughout the entirety of this run. So that gave me real pause that he was pretty concerned about his own personnel and and it ties up to what he's seeing there. So much of what they've done over this room with Ben Jonson and to Den Campbell is based off the tight end, and the tight end being a true all round play. You can impact the room game, could impact that vertical play action game. They just don't have that right now. Of lapoul Trow. 00:43:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you think of their season, that loss to JJ McCarthy and the Vikings, it was kind of the Canaria in the coal mine of like everything that was going to come later that wasn't gonna work. 00:43:25 Speaker 2: They could not run the ball at all in that game. 00:43:28 Speaker 1: They ended up with sixty five yards or they were just banging their head against the wall. And the defense did not play well and it has not played well. I like the Vikings to at least cover the six. This is not count towards my weekly pick show. These are not my official picks. We're just given extra because we want to on Christmas, and you know it's a little extra is getting Max Brosmer in what could be the most watched game of the entire season, because the afternoon Christmas slot is like the afternoon Thanksgiving slot sort of set up to be as as most watched as it could possibly be. And Brozmer came in at halftime last week. Now, they only scored three points. Scoring points is important in the second half, but he did have a game winning drive to set up that field goal. Let's actually listen to Paul Allen call the best Max Brosmer throw of the year. 00:44:18 Speaker 7: Max Brosmer the Vikings four of eight on third down, looking at a third and seventeen, He'll throw left to Jefferson, caught into forty six and yes, that's a tall blood of connection right, Hash left sideline twenty two yards Brosmer to Justin Jefferson and a first down. 00:44:39 Speaker 2: That really was an awesome throw. That's Paul Allen on KFA and and Pete Burstich. 00:44:43 Speaker 1: I love the intensity this Vikings team, this broadcast crew, they have not lost any intensity. That was third and seventeen and I don't think it actually set up the game winning field goal, but it was. 00:44:53 Speaker 2: It was a dime. 00:44:54 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking back to when we watched them in London and we saw Brozmer warming up on the sidelines after Carson Wentz took that big hit where it was Carson Swesner that hurt him. We thought Brozemer was coming in. We thought that was going to be a moment. Now we get a moment on Christmas. What are you thinking the Max Brozemer experience is going to be? 00:45:14 Speaker 2: Like, uh a little. 00:45:18 Speaker 3: I was excited if people who don't know my former staff at Western Michigan they went to Minnesota and Max Broze was the quarts back there at Minnesota. Everyone there absolutely loves Max Brozman, loves the intelligence loves how well you understands the game, and so I was a little bit bought into all those kind of cliches and the under the hood stuff about the quarterback, and I was buying some of the end of lifting stuff going around the surface about well Kevin O'Connell in training camp with Brozen versus McCarthy, and someone understands the plate book. That's the month's really struggling. Then I did watch the Seattle game and go, okay, I've been duped a little bit. Hit the kind is staff the physical to maybe play in the NFL. I thought I did enjoy the pole al of I'm not throwers making it out like it's some kind of breadth far complete sizzle to the sideline. I don't think it was quite necessarily to that level. But I think he will, at base minimum, get them in the right plays, get the play cold in time, get them lined up, not blow the protection assignments the way JJ McCarthy didn't gut himself hurt at the weekend. So if they can just scrabble out enough points to let the defense go feast, I think they can keep it close. 00:46:13 Speaker 1: And for most of the world that understandably did not watch the Vikings Giants game, which was which was comedy. 00:46:21 Speaker 2: Last week. 00:46:22 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson made about three or four plays that only Justin Jefferson would make in that game. Justin Jefferson is still bawling out. It still is a great group around Brozman. The problem is Ryan Kelly, their center, has a concussion. I assume we're not going to see him again this year. Christian darisaw their left tackles out. They also lost the guard, so they were missing like an entire side of their offensive line and that's that's troubling. But I think they'll keep it close, and I think the defense will play well, and it's a good matchup for Brozemer because the Lions defense has been one of the worst in the league statistically for now five or six weeks. Let's wrap up on Christmas Night. I forget that Paul Allen called the worst throw of the year. Unfortunately, I don't think any throw is going to top that. That's going to be on the top of the podium at the end of the year. Let's go to Kansas City thirteen and a half point favorites. The Broncos need this game to keep control of the AFC West and the number one Seeds, so it is very important for them that they bounce back and win this game. I think probably the number one reason to watch here is shoutenfreud, just everyone who's gotten their teeth kicked in by the Chiefs over the last few years. I have our producer Eric, who's a Bills fan, just shaking his head back there. I don't think a lot of America is gonna mind the Chiefs getting the doors blown off them at home on Christmas. As as cruel like as that sounds, I just think it's it's kind of true. 00:47:49 Speaker 3: No, I think that's true. The Broncos they want to prove that they can truly be contenting. They see they got to completely rip Apolet The Chiefs said, just rip the throw out and have it almost by half time. Have Travis kell See going up in down the sidelines screaming, get everyone, how damn my career end this way? All that kind of stuff. I think that is what you will be cheating given for. 00:48:07 Speaker 1: I hate that this will probably be Travis Kelce's last game at Arrowhead. We got the news on Monday that the Chiefs are officially moving across state lines. It's about nineteen miles away. But to Kansas got a lot of public money that convinced them to build the stadium there. It's going to be a dome stadium. And I'm just thinking, man, when they first mapped all this out, they could have never imagined a scenario where we are announcing that we're moving to Kansas and I know it's still Kansas City. 00:48:45 Speaker 2: I've driven through there. It's Kansas City on both sides. Yeah, I get it. 00:48:49 Speaker 1: Still, the people in Missouri are not thrilled, and they could not imagine that they would be six and nine right before a Christmas game where the number one seeded Bronx Goes are coming in. Uh, and you have Chris Alta Kuhn starting at quarterback. It's it's gonna be tough. I can't really come up with any like football reasons to watch because, uh, I did watch the lot of Coon you know, reps, and he looked like a third string quarterback who was a seventh round pick for the Steelers, like I've seen worse. But he's not going to be able to lift up an offense that has its share of issues, especially on the offensive line against this Denver team who has to be pretty upset with what happened last week against the Jaguars. 00:49:32 Speaker 6: Ali. 00:49:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that you're looking at an offense as completely devoid of identity, and I just thought we'd never ever think that in the Nie Reid air. And it's a reminder of just the specialness of Patrick Mahomes when you see what it looks like when you rip him out of the starting lineup. You all watching this to cheer the fact that Nick Wright is very, very sad, someomewhat smoking as many heat as possible to get through the fact that Shane Bouchelle may be him by the fourth quota of this thing, and honestly, to see how boning stuns that they're going to Bagnolo. I think that is a real thing that spects His defense this year is being all over the place by his stendars. He has become even more of a Blitzer maniac than he has in recent seasons. His second down blitzerate as skyrocketed to the highest amount of his career. That is a key signed with Specs that he does not like the goods. He doesn't feel he's got the goods on defense. I do want to see Albonik stends it and handles all out precious stuff. As we get towards the postseason, people build a Nick specific plan just to kind of see what he looks like. I think that they will absolutely roast them, But that is one thing football wise that'll be watching. 00:50:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was disappointed by the Chiefs defense last week. They threw a lot at cam Ward initially and then they just caved in and there wasn't a ton of fight there. And the Titans offense looked as good as it's really looked all season long against this Chiefs team. So I expect Denver to bounce back big time. And we're friends of Nick right, fans of Nick Right, but I think he would enjoy, you know, you, trash talking him like he's been trash talking the rest of the league for a long time. I did see a graphic going around of him predicting how the AFC West would go, and of course he had the Chiefs first, and he took the Chiefs I think first in our over under win totals draft. I would have taken them too. I thought they were gonna hit that over so everyone would have had the Chiefs first. But he had the Raiders in the playoffs and second and he should have to wear that almost as much. You know what's annoying about this, and this is a very you know, self centered take. You know, I hate Patrick Mahomes getting injured so much. It ruins. It ruins like the sport next year to start. It ruins, you know, the middle of one of the best players of all time's career. But it also almost ruins my ability to enjoy dunking on the Chiefs right now, because it's just more sad than anything. I like, they should just be six and nine or seven and eight with Patrick Mahomes and that would be much more fun for me to like enjoy their downfall. 00:51:52 Speaker 2: This just seems sad. It's just depressing. 00:51:54 Speaker 3: I'm ruining the end of Christmas. I mean, he was supposed to hand Christmas Joseph. That's a great gift to me and I've lost that. 00:52:00 Speaker 1: To be real, you've seen some great final moments in a stadium and everything. Maybe they get Travis Kelce a touchdown or something like that and it could be a cool moment. I'm sure Andy Reid is if he's doing anything this week, it is working on some special plays for Travis Kelce to get a touchdown and to have a final moment. We can only hope he is as successful as Kellen Moore was for Taysom Hill at the super Dome last Sunday, amazing moment. Taysom Hill was crying on the post game all time, like his home fan base is gonna love Taysom Hill forever. 00:52:37 Speaker 2: Good job by Kellen Moore and Taysom Hill. Good job by you. 00:52:39 Speaker 1: Alli. Appreciate you having you on, stepping in and we'll get you back on our Saturday SICCO show in a couple of weeks. But in the meantime, enjoy, enjoy Christmas, enjoy the family. All right, that is it for today's show. We are going to be back on Wednesday. I'm losing track. We're coming back a lit little earlier than normal in the feed with your preview show every game in five minutes or less. We are figuring out playoff seeding in this week. Can't wait for it to see tho
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