Live! from President's Circle in Orlando
Live from the stage in Orlando, Shannon and Patrick explore the "Magic Kingdom" of advocacy, including the latest on tax reform, the new appointments at HUD, FHFA, Labor, and the CFPB - and what the advocacy team is doing to build relationships with the new members of Congress and the Administration in this new, fast-paced policy making world.
2025-03-07
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1 00:00:00,150 --> 00:00:02,370 - Welcome to a very special edition 2 00:00:02,370 --> 00:00:06,210 of the advocacy Scoop podcast, where we are pleased 3 00:00:06,210 --> 00:00:08,700 to be coming live from Orlando. 4 00:00:08,700 --> 00:00:11,190 - We do want to talk a little bit about President Circle, 5 00:00:11,190 --> 00:00:13,710 and I know everyone here knows what the program's all about, 6 00:00:13,710 --> 00:00:16,350 but we have some listeners that might not know about it 7 00:00:16,350 --> 00:00:18,390 and might want to get on the track to join. 8 00:00:18,390 --> 00:00:21,300 So tell, tell us a little bit about, about PC 9 00:00:21,300 --> 00:00:23,970 and some of the latest stats. 10 00:00:23,970 --> 00:00:26,520 - Sure. Well, first off, I do wanna mention that 11 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,740 with very kind introductions from the, 12 00:00:28,740 --> 00:00:30,540 the voice of God here. 13 00:00:30,540 --> 00:00:33,840 But Patrick Newton has had a promotion recently 14 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,470 and just yesterday was announced as our new Vice President 15 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:40,140 of Advocacy, communications and outreach. 16 00:00:40,140 --> 00:00:43,290 So a round of applause for Patrick. 17 00:00:44,370 --> 00:00:47,760 Patrick also is the one who makes me do this podcast, 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,860 which shows why he is the right guy 19 00:00:49,860 --> 00:00:52,650 to be running our communications and all of our outreach. 20 00:00:52,650 --> 00:00:54,510 So congratulations there. Alright, 21 00:00:54,510 --> 00:00:55,950 - So tell us, we're, 22 00:00:55,950 --> 00:01:00,660 we're at about 1600 people in PC this year. 23 00:01:00,660 --> 00:01:02,190 - 1600? Yeah. All right. 24 00:01:02,190 --> 00:01:04,200 Well, I know because we ran out of chairs earlier, 25 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,330 so apologies for those of you who were looking for it. 26 00:01:06,330 --> 00:01:10,410 So we had around 1100 members as the goal for the year, 27 00:01:10,410 --> 00:01:13,800 but last year we hit 140% of that goal. 28 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,380 So hopefully we'll be able to top that. 29 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:18,810 But because I don't do math, Patrick did this math for me, 30 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,360 out of the 530,000 RPAC investors, so 31 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,890 that's roughly the population of Atlanta, 530,000. 32 00:01:28,890 --> 00:01:31,110 We have 1600 members currently. 33 00:01:31,110 --> 00:01:34,470 So you all aren't the 1%, but you're the 3% of the 34 00:01:34,470 --> 00:01:35,545 - 0.3% - Point three. 35 00:01:35,545 --> 00:01:37,230 Yeah. Yeah. 0.3%. Sorry. 36 00:01:37,230 --> 00:01:40,710 You are the 0.3 percenters of, of who we have 37 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:43,890 as our investors and what you do with this program 38 00:01:43,890 --> 00:01:46,440 and what you do with those contributions 39 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,940 that you are making directly 40 00:01:47,940 --> 00:01:50,400 to a bipartisan slate of candidates. 41 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:51,930 As we heard from the videos, 42 00:01:51,930 --> 00:01:54,840 as we heard from the two members who were here yesterday, 43 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,060 they come up to the advocacy team 44 00:01:57,060 --> 00:01:58,470 and say like, Hey, how do I get on 45 00:01:58,470 --> 00:02:01,890 that President's Cup Golden Circle thing? 46 00:02:01,890 --> 00:02:03,930 You know? And they, they, 47 00:02:03,930 --> 00:02:07,890 they talk about it back in dc It has become a program 48 00:02:07,890 --> 00:02:11,040 that other organizations, they don't even try to replicate 49 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,810 because it's, it's so difficult for them to do 50 00:02:12,810 --> 00:02:13,810 - That. 51 00:02:13,810 --> 00:02:16,320 Yeah. Thank you for being here. 52 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,520 And we, we had some awesome PC speakers here in person 53 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,980 yesterday, of course, Luke Reya 54 00:02:22,980 --> 00:02:27,660 and Katie Britt to, to New faves of ours. 55 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:29,190 - Senator Britt has been like texting me. 56 00:02:29,190 --> 00:02:31,260 Oh my gosh, that was absolutely amazing. 57 00:02:31,260 --> 00:02:32,340 Thank you for thinking of it. 58 00:02:32,340 --> 00:02:34,860 I know Congressman Correa, when they come out here 59 00:02:34,860 --> 00:02:36,240 and actually see this program, 60 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,680 it just makes a huge difference 61 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,990 and we're striving to do more. 62 00:02:39,990 --> 00:02:42,960 One of the things that President Circle program over the 63 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,060 last couple of years since the pandemic, is 64 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:47,910 that we've actually been going out to the states 65 00:02:47,910 --> 00:02:50,730 and having in-person events in their district, 66 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:53,070 in their state with all of you, so 67 00:02:53,070 --> 00:02:56,070 that we can help them get those numbers, get to goal, 68 00:02:56,070 --> 00:02:57,935 and then have that face-to-face contact. 69 00:02:57,935 --> 00:03:01,120 - Well, well, president Circle talk, we do want to get, 70 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,180 so last year on the podcast we did a lot of primers, 71 00:03:04,180 --> 00:03:06,400 so we kind of wanted, went through each part 72 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,220 of n NA's advocacy operation and, 73 00:03:09,220 --> 00:03:11,860 and sort of explained it to, so 74 00:03:11,860 --> 00:03:13,420 that our members can know all the things 75 00:03:13,420 --> 00:03:15,910 that Shannon's magical kingdom. 76 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:19,390 See, I got another Disney joke in your, your Magical Kingdom 77 00:03:19,390 --> 00:03:22,510 and advocacy does, because there's, there's just so much. 78 00:03:22,510 --> 00:03:23,470 This year we're trying to focus a 79 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:24,580 little bit more on current events. 80 00:03:24,580 --> 00:03:26,920 So when we do wanna talk about what's been going on in 81 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:28,900 Washington, especially the last 30 days, 82 00:03:28,900 --> 00:03:32,110 but let's just check in on like our federal priorities, 83 00:03:32,110 --> 00:03:34,180 because we do have, we do, we've sort 84 00:03:34,180 --> 00:03:36,280 of refreshed those recently. 85 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,340 - So we're talking about tomorrow land or fantasy land here. 86 00:03:39,340 --> 00:03:42,370 Which one is it? So, so 87 00:03:42,370 --> 00:03:46,360 as you all are aware, as advocacy pros here, 88 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,700 we have our legislative initiatives 89 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:49,900 that we push out every year. 90 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:51,280 And congratulations to Patrick 91 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,840 and his team for last month, 92 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,050 putting together our first ever advocacy week 93 00:03:56,050 --> 00:03:59,500 that combined our realtor party training conference, 94 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:03,280 our public policy coordinating committee, FPC training. 95 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,100 Do we have any FPCs in the house? Woo. 96 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,580 Federal political coordinators. 97 00:04:09,580 --> 00:04:10,840 And if you don't know that, I don't, 98 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,460 I'm, I'm impressed you're here. 99 00:04:12,460 --> 00:04:14,440 But for our FPC training 100 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,220 and also our policy summit, which ended the week, 101 00:04:18,220 --> 00:04:23,220 we had about 900 folks in DC and the reviews are back. 102 00:04:23,260 --> 00:04:25,300 I think you got a, I think you got five stars, Patrick. 103 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:26,680 - Yeah, well, you know, it's, 104 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,360 it's like everybody left the conference. 105 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,895 I was like, five stars. Five stars, 106 00:04:29,895 --> 00:04:32,380 - Five stars, - Like when I get out of my Uber. 107 00:04:32,380 --> 00:04:34,150 But yeah, it was, it was like four 108 00:04:34,150 --> 00:04:36,886 and a half out of five was the, was the, 109 00:04:36,886 --> 00:04:39,850 - Which is the highest that we've had for any of these types 110 00:04:39,850 --> 00:04:40,930 of events, including the, the 111 00:04:40,930 --> 00:04:42,160 realtor party training conference. 112 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,660 And so during that event, we unveiled our, another one 113 00:04:46,660 --> 00:04:50,350 of your, your passion projects fly in.realtor, 114 00:04:50,350 --> 00:04:51,430 where we include all 115 00:04:51,430 --> 00:04:54,100 of our legislative priorities going into the year. 116 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:56,950 So FPCs met with their members of Congress. 117 00:04:56,950 --> 00:05:00,910 We have had these meetings ongoing with the advocacy team. 118 00:05:00,910 --> 00:05:05,470 Last year we had 5,000 different meetings 119 00:05:05,470 --> 00:05:10,210 or contacts, but between our advocacy team and FPCs 120 00:05:10,210 --> 00:05:11,350 and folks around the country, 121 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:13,450 and we are hitting the ground running this year, 122 00:05:13,450 --> 00:05:15,400 we've already met with all 72 123 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,650 of the brand new members of Congress. 124 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:20,410 We've already had meetings with the transition team 125 00:05:20,410 --> 00:05:22,330 for the White House, for hud, 126 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,260 for FHFA and others. 127 00:05:26,260 --> 00:05:27,940 So these are all important things that we're doing. 128 00:05:27,940 --> 00:05:30,940 But the, the key is what are those policies 129 00:05:30,940 --> 00:05:32,260 that we are fighting for 130 00:05:32,260 --> 00:05:34,030 with these connections that we have? 131 00:05:34,030 --> 00:05:35,050 And so the first one 132 00:05:35,050 --> 00:05:36,610 that you heard from our speakers yesterday, 133 00:05:36,610 --> 00:05:39,220 and you're all aware of the expiring provisions 134 00:05:39,220 --> 00:05:41,290 of the Tax Cut and Jobs Act, 135 00:05:41,290 --> 00:05:42,670 I worked at the Treasury department 136 00:05:42,670 --> 00:05:45,220 and that's, you know, that was seemed like forever ago. 137 00:05:45,220 --> 00:05:47,050 And now we're right back into it. 138 00:05:47,050 --> 00:05:49,870 And these are the key provisions that we're going 139 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:51,730 to make sure either don't expire 140 00:05:51,730 --> 00:05:54,010 or that are changed as we move forward. 141 00:05:54,010 --> 00:05:58,910 So that includes Inc asking for provisions 142 00:05:58,910 --> 00:06:02,150 that would impact housing supply and bring down costs. 143 00:06:02,150 --> 00:06:03,320 We know that there are likely 144 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,990 to be multiple bites at the Apple with the tax bill, 145 00:06:05,990 --> 00:06:07,910 the ones that they have to keep, 146 00:06:07,910 --> 00:06:10,040 and then the ones that they strive to add onto it. 147 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,130 But we have things like the more homes on the Market act 148 00:06:13,130 --> 00:06:16,130 that would decrease the capital gains penalty that you have 149 00:06:16,130 --> 00:06:18,410 for selling investment property. 150 00:06:18,410 --> 00:06:21,770 And that would incentivize more folks to sell homes 151 00:06:21,770 --> 00:06:24,980 and potentially get more owner occupants into those homes. 152 00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:28,130 We have the supporting the revitalizing downtowns 153 00:06:28,130 --> 00:06:30,020 and Main Streets Act that I spoke 154 00:06:30,020 --> 00:06:31,490 with Senator Britt about yesterday. 155 00:06:31,490 --> 00:06:33,800 That's the commercial conversion. 156 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,510 Converting them into residential units 157 00:06:35,510 --> 00:06:39,290 and having tax credits to spur that growth, 158 00:06:39,290 --> 00:06:41,060 that Neighborhood Homes Investment Act 159 00:06:41,060 --> 00:06:42,470 that we have long supported 160 00:06:42,470 --> 00:06:45,200 and has long had bipartisan support, 161 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,320 but just needs that little bit extra effort in the Senate 162 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,700 to get it through the committee. 163 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:51,530 And then they support, 164 00:06:51,530 --> 00:06:54,020 we also support the Yes in My Backyard, the YIMBY Act, 165 00:06:54,020 --> 00:06:56,180 which had near unanimous support in the House 166 00:06:56,180 --> 00:06:57,380 of Representatives last year, 167 00:06:57,380 --> 00:06:59,150 but still hasn't gotten over that finish line. 168 00:06:59,150 --> 00:07:01,670 So these are the asks that we have when we're meeting 169 00:07:01,670 --> 00:07:04,610 with members of Congress to support these bills, to serve 170 00:07:04,610 --> 00:07:06,470 as co-sponsors and to push 171 00:07:06,470 --> 00:07:08,180 that they actually move through the legislative 172 00:07:08,180 --> 00:07:09,180 - Process. 173 00:07:09,180 --> 00:07:10,340 Well, speaking of meeting with members of Congress, 174 00:07:10,340 --> 00:07:14,990 and you just said this a second ago, last year, 5,000 plus 175 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,270 meetings with members of Congress 176 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:19,910 and their staff between the lobby team and our FPCs. 177 00:07:19,910 --> 00:07:22,280 We were doing the math on that, it's like 14 a 178 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,930 day on average. 179 00:07:23,930 --> 00:07:26,450 I mean, there's no other organization 180 00:07:26,450 --> 00:07:27,500 period that can pull that 181 00:07:27,500 --> 00:07:30,140 - For just 14 meetings a day. Yeah, right. Two can 182 00:07:30,140 --> 00:07:31,140 - Have. 183 00:07:31,140 --> 00:07:33,380 Well, and stellar, you know, we, we, we broke that up 184 00:07:33,380 --> 00:07:37,670 as well because your advocacy dues, what was it, 185 00:07:37,670 --> 00:07:38,870 like $6 a month? 186 00:07:38,870 --> 00:07:40,220 - About $70 a year 187 00:07:40,220 --> 00:07:42,710 that goes specifically from NAR dues into the 188 00:07:42,710 --> 00:07:44,090 advocacy efforts. 189 00:07:44,090 --> 00:07:47,270 And I don't, I have the back of the envelope map, I think 190 00:07:47,270 --> 00:07:50,135 that was about 17, like six a month cents a day or something 191 00:07:50,135 --> 00:07:51,755 - For - All these advocacy efforts. Drop 192 00:07:51,755 --> 00:07:54,715 - $6 a month and, and all of her efforts. 193 00:07:54,715 --> 00:07:56,510 And, and speaking of all those meetings, like one 194 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:59,180 of the things that came out of those meetings last year was 195 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:01,250 the real estate caucus and caucuses. 196 00:08:01,250 --> 00:08:03,320 You know, we both worked in the, in the house 197 00:08:04,370 --> 00:08:07,910 as congressional staff and, and there's lots of caucuses 198 00:08:07,910 --> 00:08:09,230 and you know, it's different than a committee. 199 00:08:09,230 --> 00:08:13,070 You have to register a caucus, it has to be bipartisan. 200 00:08:13,070 --> 00:08:16,280 They have to, you know, it has to be a group of, you know, 201 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,200 people, members of the house 202 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:19,910 who have like a common mission or goal. 203 00:08:19,910 --> 00:08:21,110 And so we've been working 204 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:23,150 to get this real estate caucus introduced for a couple 205 00:08:23,150 --> 00:08:24,590 of years, and last year we did it. 206 00:08:24,590 --> 00:08:26,120 And now it's 207 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,300 - Exactly, so during the legislative meetings last year in 208 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,850 May, we worked with members of Congress 209 00:08:31,850 --> 00:08:35,030 to unveil the introduction of the Real Estate Caucus 210 00:08:35,030 --> 00:08:37,910 that started with four members, two Republicans, 211 00:08:37,910 --> 00:08:39,800 two Democrats, including Congressman Correa, 212 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:40,970 who you met yesterday. 213 00:08:40,970 --> 00:08:43,490 And it is expanded, it did expand 214 00:08:43,490 --> 00:08:45,625 to 52 at the end of last year. 215 00:08:45,625 --> 00:08:47,360 And we just had three more members join. 216 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,230 So we're at 55 members of the Real Estate Caucus now. 217 00:08:51,230 --> 00:08:53,990 But what's important is not just the why it was created, 218 00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:56,940 which is to ensure that even if you're not on a committee 219 00:08:56,940 --> 00:08:59,550 that is directly handling real estate issues, 220 00:08:59,550 --> 00:09:01,830 that's primarily the House Financial Services Committee 221 00:09:01,830 --> 00:09:05,880 where I used to work or the Senate Banking Committee 222 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,800 or the Tax Writing Committees. 223 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,420 But there could be folks on other committees 224 00:09:09,420 --> 00:09:11,430 who have a background in real estate and they, 225 00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:14,190 or a passion in real estate and they want to hear more. 226 00:09:14,190 --> 00:09:17,580 And they're looking for information like the great research 227 00:09:17,580 --> 00:09:19,890 that Dr. Lawrence Yoon and his team put together. 228 00:09:19,890 --> 00:09:23,250 So it's not just that's the why and that's the when or 229 00:09:23,250 --> 00:09:25,470 or the, the who belongs to it. 230 00:09:25,470 --> 00:09:30,470 But the, when this was developed in spring of last year, 231 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,410 maybe some conversations at a tiki bar, ask Ryan Rusal about 232 00:09:34,410 --> 00:09:36,840 that later at the hotel bar. 233 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,390 But it was developed over the spring 234 00:09:39,390 --> 00:09:40,710 and then it was launched 235 00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:43,260 during the legislative meetings in May. 236 00:09:43,260 --> 00:09:46,500 During that time, we had a massive class action settlement. 237 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:47,520 We were in the news 238 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,740 and there were, are, there were other 239 00:09:49,740 --> 00:09:50,760 factors that were involved. 240 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,070 And we found that these members of Congress said, 241 00:09:53,070 --> 00:09:54,390 let's get this done. 242 00:09:54,390 --> 00:09:57,300 Now we understand there's misinformation out there about the 243 00:09:57,300 --> 00:09:59,910 industry and we understand that, 244 00:09:59,910 --> 00:10:01,650 that we have these relationships 245 00:10:01,650 --> 00:10:03,000 and that we can go out there 246 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,850 and help to better explain this to our colleagues. 247 00:10:05,850 --> 00:10:07,830 So the fact that that came out in May of last year, 248 00:10:07,830 --> 00:10:09,300 I think is very significant. 249 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:10,620 - Well, let's, let's move on now. 250 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:12,450 'cause we we're about 30 days plus 251 00:10:12,450 --> 00:10:13,620 into the new administration. 252 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:15,540 It, it feels a little bit like 30 years 253 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,110 and a lot has happened in the last 30 days. 254 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:24,000 There's been a lot of new secretaries 255 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,130 and, and, and directors and things of agencies. 256 00:10:26,130 --> 00:10:27,960 And so let's sort of popcorn through these 257 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,110 'cause we're, you know, don't want to go too long on this, 258 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:33,390 but we've issued a lot of letterers of support 259 00:10:33,390 --> 00:10:34,800 and for some of these, these folks. 260 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,320 So tell us about the, the new HU secretary first. 261 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,260 - Sure, sure. So this is a, a, a season two of the, 262 00:10:40,260 --> 00:10:41,370 the Trump administration. 263 00:10:41,370 --> 00:10:43,470 And so we have a lot of references 264 00:10:43,470 --> 00:10:46,230 and relationships from, from season one. 265 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:48,870 And one of those is Scott Turner, who was confirmed 266 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:50,550 as a new HUD secretary. 267 00:10:50,550 --> 00:10:53,760 He did work in the White House previously on the opportunity 268 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,970 zones initiatives and wealth building areas. 269 00:10:56,970 --> 00:10:59,280 And so we have great relationships through many 270 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,660 of our, our former colleagues. 271 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:04,260 And then he went on to become a legislator in Texas, 272 00:11:04,260 --> 00:11:06,645 and he Texans here who Oh, 273 00:11:09,090 --> 00:11:12,870 oh, that's kind of like a plurality of the, so, so, okay. 274 00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:15,450 So heard from our, our, our folks in Texas 275 00:11:15,450 --> 00:11:16,980 that they had a great relationship with 276 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:19,380 Scott Turner back there. 277 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:22,110 So we did a letter to support him. 278 00:11:22,110 --> 00:11:24,420 And so he has come out 279 00:11:24,420 --> 00:11:27,360 with some pretty significant cuts in the budget 280 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,710 and this is happening across the board 281 00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:29,730 and I know we'll, we'll we'll get 282 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:31,170 to all of those issues too. 283 00:11:31,170 --> 00:11:35,400 And so we have had some communications with HUD officials 284 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,800 and others saying, these are our priorities. 285 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,710 We want to make sure that Fair Housing is being enforced 286 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:44,040 and it's being enforced with in a way that is 287 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:47,640 not going to be diminished because of these cuts. 288 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,140 And that the staff who we work with at the, at FHA and 289 00:11:52,140 --> 00:11:54,310 and others, that this isn't going to impact the ability 290 00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:56,350 of people to, to buy and sell homes. 291 00:11:56,350 --> 00:11:57,670 And so they have been hearing 292 00:11:57,670 --> 00:12:00,850 that we are tracking these staff cuts very closely 293 00:12:00,850 --> 00:12:03,100 to monitor the impact that it will have on any 294 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:06,460 of the public policy or, or the programs that we work with. 295 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:08,770 So we, I had the opportunity to meet 296 00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:11,440 with Mr. Turner about a month or so ago. 297 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,180 And so he has, he's very excited 298 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:14,950 to develop this relationship as well. 299 00:12:14,950 --> 00:12:18,100 - Nice. Let's check in an FHFA, this is an important one 300 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:20,740 'cause Fannie and Freddie Regulator, 301 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:21,740 - Fannie and Freddie Regulat. 302 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:25,090 So I did meet with, so Bill Pulte is the nominee 303 00:12:25,090 --> 00:12:26,830 and he's going through that confirmation process 304 00:12:26,830 --> 00:12:28,930 and I did meet with him while we were in line together 305 00:12:28,930 --> 00:12:32,440 for about three hours in at an inaugural ball. 306 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:33,610 Oh. It was quite the show. 307 00:12:33,610 --> 00:12:36,760 We, people were waiting in line in the freezing cold full 308 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,990 black tie strappy shoes and it was like 12 degrees outside. 309 00:12:40,990 --> 00:12:43,840 So anybody who went to the inauguration and got Yep. 310 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,540 Did you make it in? Made it in. Okay. 311 00:12:46,540 --> 00:12:47,890 I know many people who didn't, 312 00:12:47,890 --> 00:12:50,080 but I did get an opportunity to hang out 313 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,280 with Bill Pulte there. 314 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,460 And so he comes from a real estate development background. 315 00:12:54,460 --> 00:12:58,480 I had worked on economic revitalization in Detroit. 316 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,360 We have great relationships with the staff 317 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:02,620 and his transition team. 318 00:13:02,620 --> 00:13:06,190 And so we have put together a letter of support for him. 319 00:13:06,190 --> 00:13:07,390 And one of the key areas, 320 00:13:07,390 --> 00:13:09,460 and I I think Lawrence hit on this earlier, 321 00:13:09,460 --> 00:13:13,570 is if there is a change in how Fannie 322 00:13:13,570 --> 00:13:16,990 and Freddie the, to the larger GSEs are handled, you know, 323 00:13:16,990 --> 00:13:20,050 they've been in conservatorship since the financial crisis. 324 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:22,660 But our, our concern is that if we are doing this, 325 00:13:22,660 --> 00:13:24,310 that we have our eyes wide open on 326 00:13:24,310 --> 00:13:26,080 what are those market implications 327 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,410 and that the number one priority is that there is no change 328 00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:31,090 to the 30 year fixed rate mortgage 329 00:13:31,090 --> 00:13:34,210 that has guaranteed more people having access to a home 330 00:13:34,210 --> 00:13:36,460 and having access to equity than anything else 331 00:13:36,460 --> 00:13:38,410 that's happened in our housing finance system. 332 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,110 - Alright. Secretary of Labor, 333 00:13:44,110 --> 00:13:45,700 we have a good relationship here. 334 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:47,410 - Fantastic relationship. 335 00:13:47,410 --> 00:13:50,470 So this Lori Chavez Reamer, who is a former member 336 00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:52,450 of Congress from the great state of Oregon. 337 00:13:52,450 --> 00:13:55,930 Any Oregonians here, Jenny got your folks here. Fantastic. 338 00:13:55,930 --> 00:13:57,460 We have a fantastic relationship 339 00:13:57,460 --> 00:13:59,710 with the former congresswoman in her office. 340 00:13:59,710 --> 00:14:00,790 And so she called me up 341 00:14:00,790 --> 00:14:02,920 and said, Hey, I'm having a meeting 342 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,110 with President-elect Trump 343 00:14:05,110 --> 00:14:07,960 and I would like to be able to say that if nominated 344 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,580 for the Department of Labor, that I'll have the 345 00:14:09,580 --> 00:14:11,050 support of the realtors. 346 00:14:11,050 --> 00:14:13,600 And I said, well, I don't know who else could be nominated. 347 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:14,950 You know, we could have somebody here, 348 00:14:14,950 --> 00:14:17,110 but yes, if you are the one who is nominated, we have 349 00:14:17,110 --> 00:14:19,660 that fantastic relationship that you will have the support 350 00:14:19,660 --> 00:14:21,670 of your National Association of Realtors. 351 00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:23,680 Chavez Dreamer is very well respected 352 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:24,850 in the labor community. 353 00:14:24,850 --> 00:14:26,320 Her dad is a teamster. 354 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,540 She had the support of the teamsters, met her dad. 355 00:14:28,540 --> 00:14:31,900 He's fantastic. So we have to look at the whole of what 356 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:33,250 that person is standing for 357 00:14:33,250 --> 00:14:36,010 and that she has fully supported n ar 358 00:14:36,010 --> 00:14:37,960 and our ability to maintain 359 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,340 that independent contractor status. 360 00:14:39,340 --> 00:14:40,480 And we're very excited to work with 361 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,680 her as this moves forward. 362 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:42,760 We actually think she might get some 363 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,260 more democratic support. 364 00:14:44,260 --> 00:14:47,500 - Oh, nice. You're do you, do you ever get one of those 365 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:49,300 popups on your, on your phone that tells you 366 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:50,320 how much screen time? 367 00:14:51,260 --> 00:14:53,945 - Oh, are, are we sharing screen time right now, Patrick? 368 00:14:53,945 --> 00:14:55,490 - No, I just wanted, like, she, you run this whole 369 00:14:55,490 --> 00:14:56,540 place off of your phone. 370 00:14:56,540 --> 00:14:58,490 It's, it is like, it's just blowing up all 371 00:14:58,490 --> 00:15:00,350 the time with people and it, 372 00:15:00,350 --> 00:15:02,360 - It's about 20 hours a day of screen time 373 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:03,740 that I, I have on my phone. 374 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,320 - So quickly. 375 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,310 Let's just CFPB, we did a letter of support there, right? 376 00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:12,560 - Letter of support there. We've had a long relationship 377 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,520 with Jonathan McKernan from, from his staff days, 378 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,080 and he's at the FDIC right now. 379 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,280 And this is one of those areas 380 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,850 where the CFPB has an interim director right now 381 00:15:22,850 --> 00:15:25,280 who I've known and worked with for many, many years. 382 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,460 And we had an issue come up as soon as there was a directive 383 00:15:28,460 --> 00:15:29,870 that went out for CFPB 384 00:15:29,870 --> 00:15:32,780 to basically a stop work order while we're waiting 385 00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:35,690 for somebody to come in to just pens down. 386 00:15:35,690 --> 00:15:38,030 This one was more extreme than what we've heard before, 387 00:15:38,030 --> 00:15:42,050 but it's not atypical when an administration changes from 388 00:15:42,050 --> 00:15:43,310 one president to the other 389 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:46,550 and they're waiting for a cabinet official to come in 390 00:15:46,550 --> 00:15:50,330 for folks to say anything that you're working on, slow, 391 00:15:50,330 --> 00:15:52,640 slow it down and let's wait until we have somebody in here 392 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,370 to help maybe redirect it or end it. 393 00:15:55,370 --> 00:15:58,520 Or oftentimes what they wanna do is just make some changes 394 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,870 and then take full credit for it. 395 00:15:59,870 --> 00:16:01,550 So we're used to that. 396 00:16:01,550 --> 00:16:02,780 And so one issue that came up is 397 00:16:02,780 --> 00:16:05,650 that if they do this stop work order, that there's a, 398 00:16:05,650 --> 00:16:09,965 a program called a POR, AP OR that is a, 399 00:16:09,965 --> 00:16:12,710 a report that comes out on a weekly 400 00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:14,120 basis, I think twice a week. 401 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,030 And there was a chance that that would not come out. 402 00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:19,880 And so all the trade associations are drafting these 403 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:20,990 strongly worded letters 404 00:16:20,990 --> 00:16:23,180 and saying, you know, this is why, you know, we have 405 00:16:23,180 --> 00:16:24,200 to, we have to change this. 406 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,170 And said, we can do that, that it, that's needed. 407 00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:29,210 If we think that this is that severe of an issue, 408 00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:31,880 however, we can also make a couple phone calls. 409 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,430 And we made a couple phone calls and that report went out. 410 00:16:34,430 --> 00:16:38,060 They realized that that was needed for, for folks to be able 411 00:16:38,060 --> 00:16:39,410 to access their mortgage 412 00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:40,670 and to be able to close on their homes. 413 00:16:40,670 --> 00:16:43,790 So when you actually get into the, to the policy makers 414 00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:45,620 and you explain the consequences, 415 00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:49,010 and you do so in a way that is respecting that they are, 416 00:16:49,010 --> 00:16:50,510 they have their own process and things, 417 00:16:50,510 --> 00:16:51,920 typically those things can happen very 418 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,330 quickly. And we've seen that so far 419 00:16:53,330 --> 00:16:57,260 - And I, you know, that's, that's where you're so great and, 420 00:16:57,260 --> 00:16:59,060 and our advocacy operation is so great 421 00:16:59,060 --> 00:17:02,300 because we don't just, you know, fire off letters 422 00:17:02,300 --> 00:17:04,340 and statements, you know, condemning things. 423 00:17:04,340 --> 00:17:06,380 It's like you are always working the phones. 424 00:17:06,380 --> 00:17:08,300 I mean, I make a joke about how much you're on the phone, 425 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:10,490 but I mean, you're, you, you pick up the phone, 426 00:17:10,490 --> 00:17:12,620 your phone every day and solve problems 427 00:17:12,620 --> 00:17:15,110 and get through to people who are making the decisions. 428 00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:17,120 And that is what it's all about. 429 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:20,480 It's so many other organizations do, do not do that. 430 00:17:22,850 --> 00:17:23,870 - I think you all know a thing 431 00:17:23,870 --> 00:17:25,465 or two about picking up the phone and, 432 00:17:25,465 --> 00:17:26,750 and having those relationships. 433 00:17:26,750 --> 00:17:28,910 And then, and, and letters are a very effective tool 434 00:17:28,910 --> 00:17:31,880 and we are the most transparent organization. 435 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,700 You can go on our advocacy resources on the website 436 00:17:34,700 --> 00:17:37,760 and see every letter that we have sent out, 437 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,520 but oftentimes letters are looked at as a press release. 438 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,290 You're, you're, you're pushing that information out 439 00:17:42,290 --> 00:17:45,470 to the public, but you're not necessarily getting it done. 440 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:47,540 What we've also really increased is the use 441 00:17:47,540 --> 00:17:49,080 of our Washington reports. 442 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,100 If you see that on our, on our website, we will have weekly, 443 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:55,170 if not near daily updates on 444 00:17:55,170 --> 00:17:57,180 what are these different administration changes 445 00:17:57,180 --> 00:17:59,580 that are happening, how we're responding 446 00:17:59,580 --> 00:18:00,900 to it, are we monitoring it? 447 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:03,780 Is this something that we think we need immediate action? 448 00:18:03,780 --> 00:18:06,300 But as we have the beginning days of this administration, 449 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:09,480 we're making sure those relationships are solidified 450 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,250 and that those, that communication's happening, 451 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,110 - We're keeping an eye on the, on the budget cuts and the, 452 00:18:16,110 --> 00:18:18,360 and the is it do, do, I don't know. How do you say 453 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:19,045 - It? I don't know how you say it either. 454 00:18:19,045 --> 00:18:20,700 - Yeah, I don't either. But we, 455 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,860 we did put out a short Washington report on that Yep. 456 00:18:22,860 --> 00:18:25,440 To address it. But you're keeping an eye on, on all that 457 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:26,760 and, and working with the agencies 458 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:27,760 - And making calls. 459 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,330 We made some phone calls when the Office of Management 460 00:18:30,330 --> 00:18:34,890 and Budget said, we're going to stop all federal funding. 461 00:18:34,890 --> 00:18:38,100 It was a kind of an oddly worded memo that went out. 462 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:40,230 I said, I don't think that this is constitutional 463 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:42,720 or this is accurate, but let's see what the intent was. 464 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:43,920 Again, made a couple phone calls. 465 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,230 They revoked that memo, did a clarification. 466 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:48,240 None of our programs were touched. All was good. 467 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:49,740 - Alright, well we do want 468 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:51,660 to spend some time on the tax reform bill 469 00:18:51,660 --> 00:18:52,890 because that's obviously one 470 00:18:52,890 --> 00:18:54,060 of the most consequential things. 471 00:18:54,060 --> 00:18:58,620 We'll, we'll have, we, you know, we follow the news 472 00:18:58,620 --> 00:19:00,121 and politics and, and, 473 00:19:00,121 --> 00:19:02,250 and they're using this process called reconciliation. 474 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:04,320 And, and, and as the president likes to say, 475 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,720 it's one big beautiful bill. 476 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,020 I, you know, there's somebody back there that can do 477 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:11,910 that way better than I can. 478 00:19:11,910 --> 00:19:14,130 - You know, Patrick, I think this is a fantastic, 479 00:19:14,130 --> 00:19:15,570 fantastic conference. 480 00:19:15,570 --> 00:19:17,550 I really enjoy it. You know, I love my plan 481 00:19:17,550 --> 00:19:19,620 and I love my one big beautiful bill. 482 00:19:19,620 --> 00:19:21,720 You know, people are saying it's tremendous. It really is. 483 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,730 Right? Well, it's gonna be great. 484 00:19:23,730 --> 00:19:25,830 It's gonna be having a lot of beautiful things 485 00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:27,870 and we're gonna have my no tax on tips 486 00:19:27,870 --> 00:19:30,480 and, you know, maybe I think I have a brand new idea. 487 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,270 I don't know, what do you all think? No Tax on commissions? 488 00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:34,445 How about that? Yeah. 489 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,905 - Oh, Ryan. Oh, that wasn't President Trump that it was. 490 00:19:41,905 --> 00:19:43,530 - Oh, you guys want me to come out on stage? 491 00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:44,910 I say say, okay, well this is, 492 00:19:44,910 --> 00:19:46,290 I didn't know this was happening, so, 493 00:19:46,290 --> 00:19:47,290 - All right. 494 00:19:47,290 --> 00:19:48,090 Ryan Rus Bolt 495 00:19:48,090 --> 00:19:49,500 who was upset he didn't get any stage 496 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:50,805 time apparently. So, you 497 00:19:50,805 --> 00:19:51,925 - Know, I gotta say, I think 498 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,510 you all are really, really fantastic and beautiful people. 499 00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:58,830 I think that, you know, I really love you. 500 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,770 Well, you know, I let those smarter people talk 501 00:20:01,770 --> 00:20:02,850 and I'm gonna actually go back, 502 00:20:02,850 --> 00:20:04,350 I didn't actually know it was coming up here, 503 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:05,700 so this is a little bit embarrassing. 504 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:06,700 So say, 505 00:20:08,100 --> 00:20:09,245 - Well thank you Ryan. 506 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,260 - Every time I say big beautiful Bill, 507 00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:19,380 or read it in my mind, I'm hearing Ryan, Russ Bolt say it so 508 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:22,320 - Well after that performance, Ryan, I need you 509 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,490 to open up your laptop 510 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:26,460 and send me five things that you did at work last week 511 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:32,160 - For those - No one else does. Just Ryan, 512 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,860 - For those of you that don't know Ryan, he's our 513 00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:37,685 lead on our, on our Republican house lobbying and, 514 00:20:37,685 --> 00:20:42,210 and is is awesome and hilarious at the same time. 515 00:20:42,210 --> 00:20:46,350 So, and is beloved by many members of Congress because 516 00:20:46,350 --> 00:20:47,810 - He has hang out with him, competitions 517 00:20:47,810 --> 00:20:49,510 with members on like who can do the best Trump boys. 518 00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:52,570 Yeah. It's actually quite the bonding experience, but yes. 519 00:20:52,570 --> 00:20:54,760 Well, Ryan, you should be monitoring the floor right now 520 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,050 because we do have the first budget bill coming to the floor 521 00:20:59,050 --> 00:21:00,460 for a 6:00 PM vote today. 522 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:02,440 So we're getting real time updates on whether 523 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:03,640 or not those votes exist. 524 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,850 I worked in congressional leadership long enough 525 00:21:06,850 --> 00:21:08,230 to know you don't call the vote if you 526 00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:09,340 don't think you have the votes. 527 00:21:09,340 --> 00:21:12,730 So that'll be the first tranche of this to see. That 528 00:21:12,730 --> 00:21:14,411 - Includes, - That's tonight, right? 529 00:21:14,411 --> 00:21:15,580 That's tonight. Six o'clock is when they're expecting it. 530 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:18,400 So they're expect that's the 4.5 trillion 531 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,780 to spend on tax cuts. 532 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:21,760 4 trillion increase and the debt limit 533 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,900 and then the 1.4 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years. 534 00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:29,170 What the president did campaign on is the no tax on tips, 535 00:21:29,170 --> 00:21:33,820 no tax on Social security and fixing the salt problem. 536 00:21:33,820 --> 00:21:35,560 And we do have a SALT caucus, 537 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,690 which has great overlap with the real estate caucus. 538 00:21:37,690 --> 00:21:40,930 You knew, and those are the areas that we would expect them 539 00:21:40,930 --> 00:21:43,150 to address in this first tranche for sure. 540 00:21:43,150 --> 00:21:45,970 - Yeah. So we're, we're on top of that. 541 00:21:45,970 --> 00:21:48,040 You guys have been working on that for, for several years 542 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,155 and we've got all of our, 543 00:21:49,155 --> 00:21:51,040 our tax information on at flying realtor, 544 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,080 but the clock is ticking down for me. 545 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,380 So that means you get to give us this closing time here, 546 00:21:56,380 --> 00:21:57,880 you get to give us the scoop on something 547 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,585 and this is some brand new information. 548 00:21:59,585 --> 00:22:04,090 - So we are always monitoring what is the intensity of our, 549 00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:06,790 our membership and the activity of our membership. 550 00:22:06,790 --> 00:22:09,910 And we just got the data back on voter turnout 551 00:22:09,910 --> 00:22:12,640 for realtors in the 2024 election. 552 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,580 Based on that, we have 89% 553 00:22:15,580 --> 00:22:19,270 of our realtor members voted far surpassing the national 554 00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:21,760 average of 64%. 555 00:22:26,410 --> 00:22:27,820 That level of participation, 556 00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:29,410 we heard this from the senator yesterday, 557 00:22:29,410 --> 00:22:30,760 we heard this from our, 558 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,640 our guests throughout the last couple of days, is 559 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,840 that it's not just that we are here to invest, 560 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,210 but that we show up at the ballot box 561 00:22:40,210 --> 00:22:42,820 and that we get people to show up at the ballot box. 562 00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:45,760 And so those numbers are, are fantastic. 563 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,090 I don't understand why they are not a hundred percent, 564 00:22:49,090 --> 00:22:51,310 but, so you would ask that, we're gonna make sure 565 00:22:51,310 --> 00:22:53,080 that we're working on those numbers, getting those up 566 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,550 to 90, 91%. 567 00:22:54,550 --> 00:22:57,580 But those engaged citizens are what's making all 568 00:22:57,580 --> 00:22:59,620 of the difference and we appreciate your leadership. 569 00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:03,070 - Yeah. So nine nine outta 10 realtors cast ballot in the 570 00:23:03,070 --> 00:23:05,560 last election and six outta 10 for 571 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,520 - Yep. 572 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,500 - The average American. Yep. So we're ahead of the game. 573 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:09,700 - Your vote matters. - Awesome. 574 00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:11,530 - Vote matters. - Well, thank you very much, Shannon. 575 00:23:11,530 --> 00:23:11,985 - Well thank you Patrick.
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