Clue

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Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have women inum, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? Or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing it with the beck Del Cast. I know who did it? Who was it? It was Caitlin in the bedroom with the microphone. Yeah, by it do you mean recorded a podcast? Because if so, then yes, it was me who did it. Yes, and that past the Bechdel Test. Well, welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Darrante, and this is our feminist movie podcast where we use the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point to analyze famous movies. We're we're in the quarantine zone, as is everyone at this point. Um, So you know, I don't know. I don't remember life before this anymore. I don't either. So we had hinted possibly doing this movie during our National Treasure episode, right, because we're just trying to stick to the romps. We're trying to stick to the romps. I feel like it's particularly fitting in the Quarantine because it's a movie pretty much exclusively taking place in one location, one house, no one really leaves. Some people come in and then they die their self. Yeah, and that's what you get when it's a metaphor. They weren't wearing masks when they came in, and they didn't wash their hands. They did not. They didn't know when you don't see anyone wash a single hand and the house looks not you know, it's all it's inherently dirty. And and there's a doctor present. He should know better. He should be telling people there's literally someone from the World Health Organization there, and and he's not like scrub scrub, big issues, big problems. Obviously that that's just the beginning of the critique we'll be talking about today. And this are like our first who done it? So this will be a fun episode. Um, But first we should tell you what the Bechdel test is. Sure, Caitlyn, do you remember what it is? Oh? No, it is flipping my mind if memory serves. It is a media metrics sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test. It requires that two female identifying characters have to have names such as Mrs Peacock, Miss Scarlet, Mrs White, the Cook, the the nameless cook. They have to speak to each other and that conversation cannot be about a man. I want to see if we can figure out the Bechdel Test version of the of crimes. Here, here's a pitch. Okay, please, Yeah, if two women with names commit a crime that has nothing to do with a man, it passes the Bechtel test crime edition. Crime edition. Yeah, I'm into that, right. I don't think that any of the crimes would pass the Bechtel Test crime edition in this movie, in this particular movie where it's it's usually connected to a husband or something like like with Miss Scarlett, it was like men were always tangential to what was happening for sure. You know, we've got to do better. We've got to do better crimes. Although if the crimes are committed against men who are behaving badly, that that's okay to me. I think men should be stolen from and like, that's true. But then most of the women in the movie, everyone in this movie is basically bad, so you're like, Okay, everyone's rich, so that's not you know, except for the cook who and we don't even get to know what her name is. You know, she's the only woman of color in the movie too. Yeah, and she's killed and made fun of fuck John Wanna than Lynn? God damn it? All right, Well, we have a lot to talk about and no guests today, just us today, So the girls, Jamie, what is your relationship history with the movie Clue? I liked this movie. I didn't see it like when I was growing up or anything like that, but I've seen it. I think like it's like a good comfort movie. I love Who Done It? And thrillers and stuff like that, so a comedy Who Done It's right up my alley. I think I've seen it, like yeah, like three or four times. I rewatched it, most recently after seeing Knives Out, which I think that I mean, I was not alone here, but I watched or rewatched a ton of Who Done It's after Knives Out came out because I really really liked Knives Out same, I loved it. So yeah, there, I'm a I'm a clue head, I'm a Who Done It? Head? What about you? I also didn't grow up with it, but I saw it sometime, I think, in like my late teen years for the first time, and I think it was just that once that I saw it, I remember thinking it was fun. But like I also, I didn't play the game really at all. Ever, growing up, I think maybe I did play the game, not heavily. It's more of an operation kid. Yeah, I was a scrabble kid myself smart. That's smart kid culture. Well, it's why I went on to later get a master's degree in screenwriting, which I hate to bring up, but there it is, us one degree. Heads were just poking at the guy's like liver in Operation and they're like, he's dead. I forgot. I don't forget how that game works. That's more or less it. If you lose Operation, does he die? Oh? That's yeah, what are the stakes? I don't lose? Does a man die? That's really dark. I actually don't remember. I haven't played in stuff. Oh, Jamie, I played a Shrek version of Operation. Oh. I forgot about that. It was right before I had my sludge surgery. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, get with the program the whole podcast about it. But I had my gall bladder removed. Um, but I was told that I had sludge in my gallbladder. Anyway, It was a whole thing. But the Shrek, So you perform operations on Shrek and right around where a person or Ogre's gall bladder would be it said, like slugs. So it looked not unlike sludge, and you had to remove the slugs out of his gall bladder area. And it was like, so the Shrek operation game was kind of like an oracle for you. Yeah, exactly. I never forget Shrek. Actually I don't, now that we're talking about it. I think I've only played the Clue board game proper a few times, but I did. My cousins had Simpson's Clue, and so that was just like you could be like Mr Burns did it. That's it. It was fun. It's a fun game, and it's a fun movie. I'm excited to talk about it in this whole genre. I do love who done it indeed, and also, um, I know we'll probably go through all of them. But for in case you're not familiar with the stick of this movie, there's three different endings, and so if you went to theaters in you would have seen one of the three endings. But in the in the cut that we that they distribute, now you just the three endings in a row and kind of like none of them makes sense or satisfying. Um, So that's part of the thing. Yes, indeed, so should I recap it somehow? I don't know this is this is a difficult movie, do it, But I'll do what I can. Thank Yes, same. We have no guest mucking up the place today, so we should be fine. No disrespect to all of our wonderful guests. What if this was the What if we did have a guest and they tried to murder us? Oh? Wow? Things. I don't know about everyone else, but my mental state is unraveling. Oh I'm deteriorating rapidly, really having some weird thoughts. Weird weird thoughts. Oh, yes, yeah, well bear with us, okay, yep. So the movie Clue starts. We're in New England. Ever heard of it? Yea, it's nineteen fifty four, the year that my mother was born. Shout out to Laurie. Hi, Laurie. Yeah. It's a dark and stormy night. And Wadsworth the butler played by Tim Curry our king and Icon also the the second most popular Tim Curry movie that starts on a dark and stormy night in a mansion. Wait, the other one being Oh Rocky Harker, Oh my gosh, yeah, he's all about that dark and stormy mansion. Yeah, Tim Curry, he does just kind of look like he belonged in a dark and stormy mansion. That's true, it makes sense. It does make sense. Yeah. Um. So he arrives at said mansion because there's a dinner party that night. He and other staff members are making preparations. He checks in on the maide A k Yvette, then he checks in with the cook. Guests start arriving. They've all received a letter from a man who lives at the mansion question Mark and has invited them to this dinner party. He has given them all an alias, so when the guests arrive, they are addressed as Colonel Mustard. He gets there first. That's Martin Mole icon Gene Parmesan from Arrested Development So Good. Next to arrive is Mrs White that's Madeline Cohn, then Mrs Peacock played by Eileen Brennan in Year. For a second, you're like Susan Sir Randon, because you're so to seeing her in Tim curry movies about dark and stormy nights. But it's not her. See, I think miss Scarlett looks like it's right, that's who I was talking, That's who I was talking about Mrs Peacock is has like the feathered hat. It is very hard to keep the character's names straight, truly, is I kept My notes might be jumbled also because most of them, I would say, except for Mrs Peacock, have a name that is related to a color, either a color specifically or like mustard yellow. Of course, there's Mr Green, he shows up. Next, there's Mrs White, Miss Scarlett, that's a color, and then Professor Plum Plum purple purple, but no one wears the color of the name that they are given, which is um rude. So then Mr Green shows up. That's Michael McKean. And then outside down the road we have Miss Scarlett that's Leslie and Warren. She has car trouble, and then Professor Plum played by Christopher Lloyd, who was having a great year in Because this is also when Back to the Future came out. Yeah, I think that if Back to the Future had come out before this, he probably wouldn't be in this movie. So this is like the last chance you get Christopher Lloyd in like a supporting, supporting role. So he drives by, picks up Miss Scarlett, and they both arrive at the mansion and everyone sits down for dinner, but no one knows what's going on really who anybody else is. But they all start chatting and they figure out that everyone has ties to Washington, d C. And it's also like the McCarthy era, so you're it. It took a while for me to like click in what they were doing with the historical like setting, because I was like, why were they going through the trouble of having this? But it's all vaguely. I'm like, is this movie trying to say something? If so, I don't know what it is, but I think they might be sort of trying to say something by setting it in the McCarthy era. And it's like a bunch of Washington elite in the McCarthy era because a little later on we find out that this Mr. Body guy is blackmailing everyone because they're like, you're an American and instead of reporting you to the like house an American Activities Committee, I'm gonna make money guys camping it. It's like it's very campy commentary where that's the one moment where you're like, oh, that's what they're trying to say, okay, Like and then in all three endings, you find out that communism was a red herring, and it's like, what are you talking about? Right? It's so campy that I'm like, I don't know, I don't know how much of it is like camping, how much of it is like good Americans? You know, Like I also, Jonathan Lynde is British, so he might just be making fun of Americans in general. We don't know. We don't watch this movie for the message. Okay, speak for yourself, Jimmie, I'm looking for inscsive political commentary. Clue a movie. It's an allegory for the red scare, now, Okay. So then the seventh guest arrives, Mr Body and Wadsworth is like, hey, everyone, the reason that you're all here is that you're being blackmailed. And then we find out the various reasons each character is being blackmailed, such as Professor Plum is a former psychiatrist who lost his license because he assaulted his female patients. Yikes, and that's a joke. Huh huh, So we'll talk about that. Um Mrs Peacock takes shady political bribes on behalf of her politician husband. Her husband, her husband, um Miss Scarlett runs an escort service. Colonel Mustard is a client of that escort service. Mrs White probably killed her husband, and then you later find out probably killed. Mrs White's character gets better and better as the movie because she is fine. And then Mr Green is gay and has to stay in the closet to keep his job in the State Department. So those are all the reasons they are being blackmailed. I do at least appreciate that Mr Green opens by saying, I am not ashamed of it, but it is basically I'm not ashamed of it. However, it is ninety four. That's more than I expected of So I'll give a little tip of the hat. Yeah, there's a whole conversation to be had about the way all of that is framed. But and then we learned that Mr Body is the one who is blackmailing everyone. But Wadsworth is like, good news. The police will be here in forty five minutes and you can tell the police that you're being blackmailed and Mr Body can be brought to justice. Then Mr Body gives everyone a weapon, which are a candlestick, a new pipe, wrench, gun, and dagger, and he's like, here's the thing. If you expose me, you're also exposing yourself for whatever it is that you're being blackmailed for. But if one of you kills Wadsworth, then this whole thing can be over. So Mr Body shuts off the light. Then there's a thud, a gunshot, and a scream, and when the light is turned back on, it's Mr Body who has been killed. Your Body is a great character name. I don't know why. It's so like, it's so achy. Um, yeah, you can't kill Tim Curry this early in the movie. It doesn't happen, certainly not. Tim Curry is such a champion in this movie, where like if you think about, like how much more dialogue he has than everyone, because he's just like paragraphs of exposition at a time, just on a You're like, what a professional, right, incredible. Everyone starts freaking out. No one knows who killed Mr Body or with what weapon. Then Wadsworth reveals his motive for wanting Mr Body to be brought to justice, which is that his wife. His wife was being blackmailed by Mr Body, which led her to end her life. And this is where we get the whole Like Mr Body thought you were all doing something un American. Right, So everyone's bad, no one's good, No one is good. And that's part of what makes Who Done It's fun is that people everyone is usually everyone's a suspect and it's well, I can't wait to talk about Who Done? It's in class anyways. Um okay, Then they find another dead body. The cook has been killed in the kitchen with the dagger, the only woman of color, the only person whose name we don't learn, and then she gets like one or two lines of dialogue before she is murder. Yeah. Yeah, this movie was not thoughtful in terms of um, non white characters really at all. True. Um So, then they all come back into the room, which and I was losing track of what room was what in this movie, but I think they're in the study and Mr Body's body is gone. But then they find it again, in this time it is bloody and he is definitely dead. Right. Then a motorist shows up at the doorstep and needs to use the phone because his car broke down, so they locked him in the lounge. I think, there's so many it's a mansion. You're just like too many fucking rich people in their many many rooms, and they are they're like, oh, a library, a study, a billiard's room, a lounge, especially right now where we're all like locked in small spaces to various capacities, and like, how dare you stiple floors grow up? Not fair? Um, So they locked him in the lounge, and they decided that they should search the rest of the house to make sure there's no one else who might be in there who is just like popping up to commit a murder and then like go back into hiding. So they split into pairs and search the house, and everyone still suspects everyone else of being the murderer. We don't know who has done it. We don't know. They also like kind of uncharacteristic for who done it, Like they don't. The movie doesn't super try to convince you it's any specific person. I feel like, usually who done it? Movies are like, oh, this guy is looking pretty suspicious, but you're kind of just like watching people walk around a really nice house. But but it's fine, that's true. I'm surprised there's not a character named like Mr. Red Herring. Oh, yes, he was the Red Herring, of course, but communism is the red Herring. I guess that's like I'm like, sure, I don't like And then by the time this comes out, it's the reggae administration, so God only knows where everyone's values were at, so the disaster. So they're searching the house, and while they're searching, we see the motorists get murdered with the wrench in the lounge. But by whom, who done it, whom don't know, whom done it, whom's done it. Then Colonel Mustard and Miss Scarlett discover a secret passage, which was how the murderer snuck into the lounge to kill the motorist. Uh. And then a random cop shows up and searches the house and they have to pretend to like make out with the dead bodies. I forgot about that part. I've always forget about and it makes me laugh so much. It's such a funny theme where they're like making out with the corpses, especially the one where they're holding like the cook between two people, and you're just like, oh, it's so it's so cross um, it's a Then Mustard and Scarlet find another secret passage that leads from the kitchen into the study. Then the murderer turns the power off in the house and then in the dark, I know spook and in the dark whoever the murderer is, kills Yvette, the maid with the rope in the billiard's room, then kills the police officer with the pipe in the library. I think there's a book in there. There's a library, could be possible. Um. And then the murderer shoots the singing telegram lady who shows up. So now there are six murders total. And then Wadsworth is like, guess what. I know what happened and who's behind it. He's figured out who done it. How does Tim Curry not get a olden globe for this ending performance? Oh my gosh. The writing is like not really doing much, but he's like he's like Sebastian Maniscalco, like running around. It's so he's zipping, he's dashing. Um. Yeah. Basically what happens is in order for any of this movie to make sense, he's like, I have to take you through the events of the evening step by step, and then he basically goes into a Caitlin's famous recap where he just recaps the entire movie that we've already seen. If you like fell down, every five seconds of the recap, it's basically the same thing. Yeah, it's just like prop fall after prop I should start doing that. You should, Yeah, you'll get a golden globe, thank you. Um. But here's the thing. Some new information gets revealed during this recap, which is that when they first found Mr Body dead, he was only pretending to be dead. And then we also find out that Yvette and the Cook were Mr Body's accomplices that helped him collect info on the people who he would later blackmail. Then Wadsworth figures out that Yvette killed the cook and then killed Mr Body. Um, but who killed Vette and the others who done it? Well, it was miss Scarlett and for reasons that I've already forgotten right in this ending, So this is ending a y. I also was reading about an elusive fourth ending that they shot but cut from the movie because it was They were like it was too stupid. I'm like, oh, it would have had to have been really stupid, because the three that you get are total nonsense. Yeah yeah, um the second one ending b like the movie says, that's how it could have happened. But what if this happens, and it's that Mrs Peacock is the murderer again for reasons I forget what her whole mom about her husband and something no clear physicist, some plan for a fusion bomb or something. It's all very nineteen fifty is. You're like sure, but then we get how the movie claims is what really happened, which is that so basically everyone each person killed one other person. So Plumb killed Mr Body, Mrs Peacock killed the cook, Colonel Mustard killed the motorist, Mrs White killed Yvette, Miss Scarlett killed the cop. Wadsworth killed the singing telegram lady. That's so it's so funny when that they killed the singing telegram lady. She's just like, up, it's so funny. And then it turns out that Wadsworth is Mr Body, so Mr Green shoots Wadsworth because he's an FBI plant. And then all the FBI guys come in and they're like, who we saved a day. We're like, who cops. So that's the story, with its various endings. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come right back to discuss, and we're back. Uh okay, you know what, I think this is a good challenge feminism in clue the movie. I guess I wanted to start with just a little like women in Who Done It's at large because I've seen many, many, many of them. There's pros and cons to the portrayal of women and who Done It? So obviously our most recent who Done It? That did really well was Knives Out. I really enjoyed that movie. I feel like, hopefully we'll probably do an episode on it at some point probably, but yeah, I think that the female characters in that story are fully fleshed out, Like the hero of the story is a woman in and not a person that's in this like, I don't know. Nine of these stories concern wealthy white people. A lot of it comes down to like and I think that in some way, I hope that we get Who Done It to take place outside of that world. The closest thing I could find is Identity, which is technically who Done It? And that's like a gritty who Done It? Oh yeah, I saw that John Cusack is in it. I think, yeah, and that at least doesn't like concern rich people. It's still all white people, but it's not all rich people, and it's supposed to be great. I don't know, it's like a fine movie, but in general it concerns wealthy white people trying to figure out who murdered a wealthy white person, and the answer is always another wealthy white person. Um. So, so that is kind of the history of the genre. It's definitely capable of more, but that's basically what it's been so far, kind of including and like with some even though Knives Out has twists, it's still concerns a wealthy white family. Anyways, as far as women go, more women right who Done It? Than men in literature where there is like a huge legacy of female mystery authors that go into the present. Obviously Agatha Christie is the most famous one who wrote who Done It specifically, but there is a huge legacy of female mystery writers, female who've Done It writers and female detectives in media like your Nancy Drew's and Murder she wrote and on and on um And even though her her Keel Poiro is a guy who was written by Agatha Christie's so there's a lot of female representation in on the novel side, there is no female representation in the movie adaptations of these female penned stories. None of this super applies to Clue because it is being adapted from a board game. Uh was written and rewritten by like four different men before the director ended up getting the writing credit. But there was like so many Anthony Perkins did a draft of this script. Stephen Sondheim did a draft of this script. Tom Stoppard, like the famous playwright, did a draft of this script, didn't. John Landis also work on it, see like he has like a story by credit. He'd yeah, he he was involved in it in the beginning. He was originally supposed to direct. But it's with the exception of feminist icon Deborah hill Um, who also produced. We've talked about her on the show before because of her um spearheading the Halloween franchise. But with the exception this movie, it's it's like the original stories are written by women, and in Hollywood they've only i mean, down to Ryan Johnson, basically only been adapted by men. So that's kind of the thing. I think. I'm curious in your opinion on this, Caitlin. They still definitely work misogyny into this story, and they work misogyny into most of these stories a lot of times. When you see the room full of rich white people, the women in the room, are someone's his wife, or they're defined by their sexuality. They're never defined by their job. They usually take place in the past, which I think people use as a justification for them to not have a job. But what I like about this is like a real but like just because of how Who Done It has to work? I like that for the story to work, you have to give the female characters agency, otherwise you're not going to suspect them. That's true. So in that way, I feel like it's one of the only movie genres that like. Empowering your female characters to a certain extent is like a necessity, And so that is partially why I like Who Done It's they're just fun, But that makes sense, I don't know. That's that's uh my context corner for the Who Done It? Appreciate it, thank you. It also reminds me of we've had this conversation. Not a ton, but I've noticed in various slash or movies I've watched that there seems to be gender parody in the cast of usually teenagers. But it's because they need women there to have sex with the boys that are there, so that the women can then be killed for having had sex the Um. Yeah, yeah, this is this is weirdly. I mean it's not a very horny movie and I and I like that for this movie. This movie does feel like it could have very easily been a cartoon, and I mean that is a compliment. It is quite cartoony. Yeah, um, so that's the this is by far I think, like the goofy like it's basically a parody of Who Done It movies, which is kind of weird to watch now because they're not very popular anymore, or they just became popular again, so you're like there are certain tropes that they're making fun of that you're like, oh, is that a thing? I guess, so whatever. Yeah, I feel like it was far more popular in like the film noir era and I have a whole thing, a whole spiel on them fatalels. But um, it has a resurgence in the seventies as well. There's a bunch of like solid ones from the seventies. The best one, I m oh being the Last of Sheila, which is a which is a boat Who Done It? And it's really it's really it's super super fun and and Anthony Perkins was involved in writing that, which is why they asked him to write Clue. Um, it was just like it's a lot of people quit clue. No one could crack the story, and some could argue they never did, they never did. I love when movies are adapted from a board game or a Disney park ride like and then sometimes they have the audacity to be fun movies, but it's no wonder when the stories are often flimsy at best because the source material is a game or a theme park ride. But yeah, and in the seventies, you had Murder on the Orient Express, the original one, you had the Last of Sheila, you had, uh, what else did you have? The Beast Must Die? That's a that's a weird one. Death on the Nile, that's a good one. So like this would be coming like off of people would have more of a frame of reference than they do for it now, like we basically just have knives out. Is really the only who done it of our generation? More contemporary one? Sure? Well that that brings me to a section of my notes that I have entitled women be Murdering. So I'll start there hit it and this kind of focuses on the endings of the movie. So we've got the three endings. So in ending A, which is the one where Yvette kills the first two victims and then Miss Scarlett kills the rest, right, Um, so that's the that's ending A. Ending B is when Mrs Peacock has killed everyone. In all versions of the story, Mrs White is thought to have killed various husbands of hers. So when you include Mrs White between these first two endings, there are four people who have committed murder in either the backstory or on screen, and they are all women, which reminded me of sort of the film fatale archetype, which is something we haven't talked about a lot because we haven't really covered any film noir or neo noir. I think the closest we got to really talking about it was in our Who Frame Roger Rabbit episode, which is behind the paywall on the Matreon. But yeah, yeah, we haven't discussed it much. Yes, So I felt as though at least a few of the female characters in the story have some fem fatale traits, especially Miss Scarlett. Miss Scarlett for sure, Mrs White. I feel like there's some things there. Um. I would like to cover of film noir sometime soon, because I think it would be really interesting to talk about the film fatale trope. Get on our Cariina Longworth wave. Oh yeah, what's the what's the really famous one? Double Indemnity. I haven't seen that since film school, where I only went once. In any case, I was like, oh, this is a you know, it feels like there's these film Fatale like characters present in the story, which I couldn't help but notice that, like, at least in the first two endings, it's like, oh, there are like four evil women who be murdering everybody. My main thing is because it's like we have to like it is I I kind of wonder and they've never leaked what the fourth ending was. I like, was there murder parody if you had all four endings, because it definitely does lean female heavy, and like, because there's a fourth one, maybe it ended up being closer. But yeah, with the way it ends. My my issue is I kind of like that they end up doing the murders because at least I'm like, well, at least they're doing you know, they're active. But my my main thing is more how they're like just in a movie that's so goofy and you can write anyone as anyone. They're still relegated to being wives, with the exception of Miss Scarlett, who I feel like, you know, she she runs a business, but I feel like she even is like shoved in a corner of like, well, of course she wouldn't work for the government like all the men in the room, you know, she runs. I don't know. I mean, I like all the female characters, and I like they're also cartoony and fun, and it's kind of a bummer that all these male writers couldn't imagine past them being wives or sex workers like that is I feel like very telling of the offers because I don't think that there's clue I don't I actually I'll look that up. I don't know if there's board game canon of like the people that these are supposed to be, because they're given like board game canon names. But the characters, like the Washington d C Neists is totally inherent to the movie, so they could be anybody. Um. So I was bummed out by the endless choices and then they were still relegated to the same kind of stereotypical roles. And I have a feeling like the writers and the filmmakers would have justified that by being like, well, we said it in the fifties, when you know, women were housewives, and it's like, first of all, not every woman, and secondly, you didn't have to do that, and right yeah, like uh yeah, that's always such a weak excuse to me. I'm just like, no one has a gun to Jonathan Lynde's head, being like, you better said it at a time that was difficult for women, that you could have easily said that in the eighties, And you're right, like women were in the workforce in the fifth plenty of women had careers in the fifties. It's it's just kind of it's just a bummer choice in general, because it could be more satisfying to see them do the murders if they were given I mean, just like comparable motives to to the male characters. I guess the only like it's I feel like it's a total waste of Mrs Peacock and also there's like mrs and ms and like they're always given these very like feminine you know, identifiers of like is she married or is she not married exactly exactly. I mean that's not a problem in her into clue, but whereas like there's Professor Plum, there's Colonel Mustard. You know, they have these like they're defined by their jobs jobs, right, So I was disappointed in that. I still I Mrs White. I feel like Mrs White is at least like there is some I guess I wouldn't call it like commentary necessarily, but at least with her, I feel like they are like poking fun at a trope that is seen in these movies of like, I feel like she's almost like a little bit of a like satirical fem faytale because she femd faytale's in the same way over and over and over and over um, which is kind of funny. She has a line of dialogue when she says, um, husbands should be like Kleenex, soft, strong and disposable. Yeah, and we're like, yes, feminist icono Mrs White, because like it's right in that moment when we find out she's had five husbands who she has presumably killed them all, and someone asks her like, how many husbands have you had, Mrs White? And she's like mine or other women's or something like that, and it's like, oh, so she also like sucks a bunch of other people's husbands as well, right, and then she tries to like seduce Wadsworth at the end, and you're just like, or one of the ends, I guess, I don't even remember which one. They're My favorite Mrs White, Bote is when she goes, it's a matter of life after death. Now that he's dead, I have a life, and you're like it's all so right around then that she says life after death is as improbable as sex after marriage, and it's like she's like a Cathy comic, Like she's such a like she's like a magnet on your mom's fridge, Like do you think she's just like really horny. And she marries a man and once they get married, they don't want to have sex with her anymore, so she just kills them so she can like marry the next guy. I kind of like that it's not specified. I feel like it would have been a very easy throwaway jug for them to like label her as like a gold digger or like something like that. But we don't know why she kills all her husband's were like, that's just her thing, that's what she does. I stand Mrs White. I really like her, and that I found out that that this was like a very heavily scripted movie. But at the end though, like one bit of improv that made it into the movie was whatever the ending is, where she's like explaining why she did it, She's like, the flames were in my face, the flame the names. I guess you just made that up and it stayed. You can tell that's improvised because it's not very tight, because that makes no sense. Um, let's take a quick break and then we'll come right back and we're back, all right. So my main issue, or one of my main issues with the movie is the violence that is enacted against women, which be so okay. So this is a movie where there's a lot of cartoony but still pretty brutal violence that happens to a lot of different characters of all genders, such as a bunch of people are murdered, but but the way it's done to women is different. It's different. Women are assaulted physically or sexually to a greater extent, and it's sometimes like not even as a murder, sometimes it's just as a site gag exact where there's a few examples. Yeah, so I I have a list of examples, Professor Plum grabs Miss Scarlett's ass at the very beginning get its own insert shot. So why it's I guess to establish that he is horny because we later find out his backstory of having his medical license being revoked because he assaulted his female patients, which, again, like you mentioned, Jamie is played as a joke for the most part, and he continues to assault women throughout the movie. Mr Body grabs Yvette's asked at dinner. Mrs Peacock is screaming after she thinks she might have been poisoned, and Mr Green slaps her across the face and then he goes like what I had to get her to stop screaming, And then later Wadsworth slaps her again when he's recreating that moment with his little recap Yeah with Caitlin, and Caitlin has never lapped someone during her recap for the record, Um, it's true, but yeah, I mean, I think there's a few moments there where it's just like the joke is, like women be hysterical, right, there's a lot of like moments of I mean, and there's a few moments where men are screaming, but it's far outnumbered by like usually Mrs Peacock, but also it's it's the Yvette at one point. But it's just like, you know, women be hysterical, is alive and well in this movie, right, women be overreacting, women be the women be fainting. We have several different it's and I think it's mostly Mrs Peacock, but she faints a number of times. Then we see the cook. She pretty early in the story gets murdered. Her dead body is lugged and dragged around, dropped, trampled on. They also like mock her body as well, like they make it seem like she's she's really difficult to lift. It's just it's so like, I mean, there's only two people of color in this movie and they are both killed almost instantly. And to add insult to injury, yeah, the cook does not even get a name, and they like make fun of her. They body shame her corpse, and you're just like what on earth? Totally because she's a plus sized woman and the movie goes out of its way to show how difficult it is for the other characters to lift her and carry her. And she's like, yeah, she's totally body shamed, even after her death, and it's horrible. Yeah, but it's a very body normative casting process, so it's very like, it's very agreed aus the way that that's presented. For a few more examples on this list is that, um, the characters are looking at Colonel Mustard's compromising sex photos and Mrs White says, no one can get into that position, and Professor Plums like, sure, they can, let me show you, and then he like grabs Mrs White kind of pushes her down on a couch and then gets on top of her to demonstrate this thing, and she's like, get off of me. Oh. We see Professor Plumb rest his hand on the cook's but again after she's dead, for no reason, just just to a visual jokes. I guess there's a Yeah. I mean, I think most of the like assaults on women and the I mean none of them are not jokes. They're all they're all jokes that the logic is very like this is how you treat women. But at N eleven right, yeah uh. And then there was I think one more that I noticed, which is that, um, Colonel Mustard and Miss Scarlett are searching the house together, they like go into a dark room, and he's like, what room is this and she says search me as in like I don't know, But then he starts groping her and she has to be like, get your mits off of me. So, yeah, it's just women being assaulted constantly. And then I would argue and there's a whole conversation to be had about Mr Green's sexuality. But except for in the third ending when they like undo him being a queer man, you assume for most of the movie that he is gay because he identifies himself as such. Um, but I would argue that he is also more brutalized than the other straight male characters. There's a bunch of scenes where like there and again, there's a lot of scenes where like a lot of the characters are being rough with each other. But I feel like Mr Green gets the worst of it because you see that scene where you know, Wadsworth is dragging him around and throwing him down on the floor during the recap, and then he's also slapped twice by two different men at the end of the like at the second ending, I feel like that is supposed to like directly imply that you would treat a queer man the way you would treat a woman. It's just, yeah, the only part of I mean, it's Mr Green's character. I mean, it's just it's complicated, it's weird. I mean there's one yeah, there, you're right, there's one ending where they totally undo it and they're like just kidding, no homo. And that's like the ending joke of that version of the movie, because he says like, I'm an FBI plant and I'm going to go home and have sex with my wife. Because like, I couldn't tell if that was like, if that was undoing it, or if that was him like lying to his coworkers. I wasn't sure what Oh, I didn't even consider that. I thought maybe that the way I interpreted it, although like I think that it's easily interpreted your way as well. Was that he because he says at the beginning, like I'm a gay man, I'm not ashamed of this um, but if my workplace finds out, I'll be fired. And at the end he's in front of all his coworkers, So I thought he was like, I gotta go have sex with my wife. By that very well could be the case. My interpretation of it was that, like and this is maybe just like my beck dol goggles like clouding my vision a little too much sometimes and me being very cynical. But I was like, oh, because he's allowed to be the hero in this version of the story, they're not going to allow him to be gay. His declaration of of being a gay man is was fake. Listeners sound off. Yeah, I think that there's different ways to look at it. I guess I'll optimistically hope that he is like just kidding, I'm going home to my communist boyfriend. I hope. I hope that too. Um, but yeah, no, I do agree that he's like treated physically different than the identified hetero guys in in the story. Um, it's it's frustrating because it's like we have a queer character who it's not coded. They stated there's no shame involved with it, but even in that scene where he says like I'm not ashamed of it, you cut to three different characters who clearly think it's gross for sure, where everyone's like what and then and then it's kind of like, I mean, like every every like suspect character, you don't just there's too many. You can't spend that much time with them. But then it just kind of like disappears. I don't know, I don't like I like that choice for a character, and like in the era they choose to set the movie in which they did not have to, but like they do. I like that there's some queer representation. I just don't like that how it unfolds and how it's really handled. So it's it stinks. The first like thirty seconds of it is like really cool, and then it becomes not cool anymore because in addition to him saying like I feel no guilt or shame about that, the movie allows him to come out himself, like because is he's outing everyone else's wrongdoings or whatever it is that they're being blackmailed. Four And then finally it comes to Mr Green and he stands up and he's like, here's my thing. So like no one outs him. He's the only person that's done nothing wrong. Also exactly totally right, um, but yeah, he like he comes out himself. No one outs him because like Wadsworth was, you know, revealing everyone else's secrets. But Mr Green comes out himself to the fact that he was. The movie allows him to do that was interesting and unexpected for me. I kind of wonder because there were so many drafts of the script, it's kind of impossible to track who that belonged to. But Anthony Perkins was a queer writer. I'm like, maybe that's an Anthony Perkins thing. I don't know, I wonder, I wonder, but um, queer visibility in the movie Clue. But yeah, I'd be interested to hear what our queer listeners think about that, and if you have any additional insights, let us know. Yeah, we already touched on the very limited number of of people of color in the movie. The cook the cop are the only two. They are not given actual names. They're both minor characters who were killed not long after we meet them. They didn't need to kill the cop, Like I was like bummed. I was bummed out, um, and I always am bobbed out that day because he's of such a fun character. He enters and it's kind of fun to have like a bumbling cop character who's like everything looks fine to me, and everyone's like, you know, humping corpses and it's funny, and he's like they're just having a good time, right, It's so it's so funny. He's like this man's drunk like dead drunk dead, right, There's there's so much dumb word play in this movie. I like it. Um yeah, there was no I don't think that that character needed to die, and he like that's a fun character to keep in the mix for the rest of the movie. Sure. Yeah. And then let's not forget the reveal that Mrs Peacock's favorite recipe was monkey brains quote, though popular in Cantonese cuisine, are not you know, often found in Washington, d c. Or whatever. So just a racist little detail that absolutely didn't need to be there. Yeah, this movie. It's weird because it's like this movie is very of its time, and then it's also very of the nineteen fifties. So it's just like two eras that don't farewell for most people that are not straight white guys. In one movie, Tim Curry can't say it enough though he's great, Oh love him. Things Uh facts about there. There was like a pretty good um oral history style piece about Clue that came out, Um, I think in two thousand thirteen that just kind of tracks there's not I mean, there's not a lot of you know, wildness behind the scenes of this movie. It was written and rewritten by a bunch of different men, a bunch of writers quit to the point where the director had to finish it. The closest thing I could find at any controversy behind the scenes was the costuming. I guess that Jonathan Lynn definitely needlessly had his female actors where really constrictive corsets during the course of which is like wasn't even a thing in the fifties, really, So what is this Titanic right doing up roses corset? So they all had to like wear these brutal corsets, and they just like laid out these like diagonal boards so that if the women like felt short of breath, they could just lean against the board and catch their breath and keep shooting. So that's that's not very thoughtful. Meanwhile, I read that um like between takes because there's the billiards room where there was the guys with typical stuff. The men would play pool and the women had to like, you know, lie down because of their painful costume. That's cool. Well, and then speaking of costumes, we've got yvettes French made costume, yes, which and she's like a French character. I don't even know what to even say about out Besides like that's ridiculous. Her whole character is essentially a visual joke in many different ways where it's like her her boobs are very much out, it's a very short like it. It's more of a French made costume that you would see in like a soft porn than or like on like Halloween, like people like I'm a sexy French maid, right, And it's like the the the actress who who played um Evette let me get her name, like Colleen Camp, she was like completely on board with it. Um. She thought it was funny. It wasn't like it wasn't the situation where she like she didn't want to be presented in that way. She was, you know, fine, fine with it. But I mean, it is just it's such a male gazy Like there's that really long shot from the top of the stairs down into her cleavage. That is just it's a long shot strictly because you're supposed to be ogling her boobs. Like that's just as they make they make a visual joke of her a lot. And I mean, I guess that the the only argument for it is that the actress was in on the joke in okay with it, but it's still it's just like it's just juvenile and dumb, right, Yeah, I mean, if she wanted to wear it and she was cool with it, you know, her body, her choice. But but yeah, I mean, I think in the costuming department, and because it's clear that the character was written as being presented that way, it's like a pretty clear like male gaze visual joke. But yeah, she's cool. So oh. Also, so let's talk about the weapons, shall we. I was wondering, are there, because we talked so much about women's weapons, are there any actual weapons given to women? I couldn't track which weapon went to which person. Here's what I remember. I didn't write down exactly who was gifted what, but from memory because there are some household objects, but then there's also some weapons. Professor Plum receives the gun. Okay, Mrs Peacock receives I think she's the one who gets the dagger, Miss Scarlett. Miss Scarlett gets the candlestick. So is a woman who gets the household item at very at least this is board game cannon, but that's yeah. Mrs White gets the rope um. Colonel Mustard gets I think the wrench okay, sort of a weapon, I don't know, a tool more than anything. Mr Green, which one does he get? Oh? The pipe? So the main one that's a like domestic you know, like kind of more. I guess none of them are very gendered items, except maybe you could argue that, like the candlestick is like a more decor than anything else, and if we're yeah, that's I mean, I guess we do see it in various And again I'm like, I can't track the endings of this, but the we do see Yvette shoot a gun, like there's like women do get to use weapons in this movie, and especially because in two out of the three endings they are the culprits for the most Yes, we get to see them using them. We see if also stabbed the cook with the dagger, and yeah, that one ending we also but then we see Yvette kill Mr Body with the candlestick, which is again, of those items, it's the one that's the most sort of like domestic item. But then Professor Plumb uses it too. Can we also revoke him of his professor title because he's a fucking rapist um While it's the fifties, he'd never get fired for being a rapist. Mr Plumb, I'll call him. Uh he uses the candlestick. So yeah, it feels like there's kind of like it doesn't feel to me that the movie subscribes to anything like the women have to use like quote feminine items and the men get to use like actual weapons. That's a relief, okay, because I I was I liked that in I mean, I don't really like all the endings kind of suck, but but the fact that you do get to see women like they're not relegated to certain weapons, that is that's a pro Yeah, feminist. I on lead pipe, Yes, I love to see a lead pipe connecting. Um, that's good, that's good. Yeah. Carrie Fisher was supposed to be Miss Scarlett in this movie and then um she wasn't able to do the movie. So that makes me sad she would have been so goodness, I know. Well, speaking of Miss Scarlett, I don't remember exactly how much we touched on this or not. But so she's like a sex worker. She runs she runs her own business, she runs an escort service, and she seems to be like proud of her work. Um, so whether or not, other characters are obviously other characters think that her work is on savory because she's being blackmailed for it, But um, there's no shame that she feels attached to her work. I like, I mean, I guess my I'm like, and this is like asking more of clue than I could possibly give you. But it does. Some of the endings get into like, oh, this was a former employee of hers and blah blah blah, where I'm like, cool, she has her own business. She is like sex worker representation. But then I'm always like, but if she's the boss, like, I need some more information. How does she treat her employees? Also all women? Is she protecting them? Is she selling them out too? Well? Yeah, because and that brings that will bring me to some like motive things I want to talk about. But um, I think it's the like ending a the first one we see, she says the line like all members of the oldest profession, I'm a capitalist. So apparently she loves capitalism. She well, everyone in this movie loves capitalism so much. Um yeah, so I like, like, it's like some representation, but I don't think it's it's particularly everyone everyone in this story except for Mr. Green is a horrible person just canonically their whole bad, bad bad What is it? Isn't it? Colonel Mustard, you find out that he like took like radio parts from different like World War to um like fighter jets and then it killed a bunch of like American soldiers and he's like, what, I love money, I was confused about that. I love I mean that actor Martin malt like, shout out to him. He's he is Jane Parmesan, he was, He's bent. He was um Willard Kraft on Sabrina the Teenage, which he was on Danny Phantom, and he was on my favorite obscure seventies um soap opera, Mary Hartman. Mary Hartman, not familiar with that one. He's a he's a camp icon. He's wonderful. Everything he does is so goofy um. So yeah. I want to talk about a little bit about um, the various women's like motivations for committing murder, because again, in various endings, we have some of the female characters being murderers or not um, but the ones that we do find out about, like in ending C for example, we learn that Mrs White's motive for killing event was like jealousy, like a vent and her husband and had an affair. So I thought about that too, but I ended up landing on being like I kind of it kind of ended up being a wash for me because she at least it's not the situation where it's like the woman will just kill the woman who cheated with the husband, and the husband gets no come up and she kills all of her husbands too. Yeah, good point. So, I mean, I don't like the jealousy motive, but at least if it had to be any of the female characters killing someone out of jealousy, at least with her character, it bugs me less because you know, she's already killed five men, that's true. Yeah, So let's let's examine some of these other ones. We've got. Miss Scarlet killed the cop in ending C, so that one doesn't really Mrs Peacock killed the cook, so that's a woman killing a woman. But I forget even why she was the informant or something. I mean, no one's motivation for murder ring makes sense. The plot is often nonsensical and it is very difficult to track. So yeah, maybe, I mean the one that did stick out to me the most was like the Jealousy one and ending see at least um and endings A and B you have Yvette and Miss Scarlett killing everyone or ms Mrs Peacock killing everyone. I really have to go back and rewatch what all the motives were for those women to kill the other women. So maybe this conversation is just moot. It is kind of hard to track in terms of the endings, like what is like somewhat success and what is just simply bad writing. Um, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Let's see. I wanted to point out that, Okay, so a lot of attention is brought to the fact that Tim Curry steps and dogshit at the beginning of the movie, and I kept thinking that was going to pay off in Someone Does It at All. There's a few insert shots in this movie that you're like, why did you draw our attention to? Right? Is that another? But then if it never but I can't bear red Harry if it never comes up ever, exactly just like it's just bad writing. Um. Yeah, it was like, oh, there's probably going to be like a poopy footprint that like is a clue, but that never happens. No, Yeah, I also didn't I mean, I didn't love another like Mrs White choice was. I didn't love when they had her like try to seduce Wadsworth at the end. I didn't think that that was super necessary. But it's I don't all the ending suck. I'm like, just the endings are just a full like I don't know. Maybe this goes back to the kind of sem fatale conversation, but um, in the beginning of the movie, Colonel Mustard quotes Kipling, Yes bad person, saying the female of the species is more deadly than the male, and it's like, okay, is that foreshadowing of some of those endings. I feel like maybe that's as close as the movie gets for you to be like, oh, suspicion. But it is weird how little the movie tries to get you to suspect anyone. They're just like, I don't know. Also, just another fun fact I learned was that Mr Bean almost played Tim Curry's part, but he wasn't Mr Bean yet and people said he wasn't famous enough. Rowan Atkinson. Mr bean visibility very low in this movie, very low in this movie. You know, Frank Confurter visibility high. I love to and Curry. I was thinking about. I think I'm going to watch the Tim Curry it soon. I have never seen it. Oh my god, Oh it's pretty good. I have some issues with it, but Tim Curry as it. I know, it's like it has to be great, amazing, love it. I'm excited. Um yeah, I think that's about all I had to say. Do you have anything else to me? No? I mean it's the Rampa Meter. I mean I say it's pretty high. It's a ten out of ten on the Caitlin Rampo Meter. Everyone's romp in a way, especially Act three when Tim Curry is dashing around the house. It gets so so so rompy. Then yeah, I I don't know. I mean it's like this movie is so fun. It puts me in a good mood. I love Who Done It? And I love Who Done It's that don't take themselves super seriously? And this is like on the far end of that spectrum, but like there's I mean, Who Done It? To take themselves very seriously can be such a drag. That movie Gosford Park, It's like three hours long and you're just like, oh, I need to rewatch that. I barely remember that one it's not great. I mean it's I think it was like critically acclaimed, but it's deeply boring. It's so boring, like you know, who done it? They've gotta be fast and they gotta be fun and this is a clue? Does it? It's great? There's a movie I think you would like. It's not really a who Done It? But it takes place in the context of like rich family and it all. It mostly takes place within their mansion. But that movie ready or not? Oh, I haven't seen that. It was fun. I liked it a lot. I'm down. I'm like, I'm looking for for fun, like thrillers and Who Done It? Are are my ship? Like it puts me in a good mood. Yeah, So does this movie pass the Bichtel test? Honestly, I have no idea because I was too busy trying to follow the plot to pay attention to that I was. I was also a little unclear. I think that there are passing things where there's a few times where like Mrs Peacock will say something to Scarlett and Scarlett will respond, but there's no there's no scene between two women. There is only like women talking to each other in passing in the crossfire. But the but often the subtext of the conversation is who killed this man? Uh so? Or there's a man will respond to a quiet like I would say soft. No, there might be some barely passes, but I would say probably not right because even though there is like pretty even there's like gender parody. Generally some of the side characters who come and then get murdered right away. If you include everybody you see on screen, there are probably more men. But as far as like the core cast, it feels like there are. It's pretty split down the middle. But anytime like characters have to pair off together, it's always like a man paired with a woman. There's there are no which is kind of a bummer. Yeah, definitely no extended conversations between women. Yeah, like you said, it might just be like oh, two line thing here and there. But again I didn't even notice there were. I wrote down my favorite um exchange between two women. This is uh ms Scarlett asking Mrs Peacock at dinner. I think this is in response to Professor Plum Mr Plum saying that he doesn't practice medicine anymore, and Miss Scarlett says, I think most men need a little practice, don't you, Mrs Peacock. But of course that doesn't even pass because she says men right in the damn sentence. But yeah, I kind of stopped. I forgot to keep paying attention after the inner scene of like women talking to each other. But there are a few like again to line exchanges between women, but they're always like, hey, Mrs White, what does your husband do? Uh? That's like Mrs Peacock asking her things like that. So basically I know I would say no, and I guess let's just jump on over to the nipple scale. So this is our our nipple scale on a scale of one to five nipples. How well do we zero? Zero, zero, sorry, zero to five. I've been on this show before the zero to five. Based on how well we feel it represents women, I'm going to give it. I think between how often we see women be assaulted, and even if the women push back against the man who is assaulting her in that moment, the movie always frames it as a visual joke, and just between everything we've talked about, I'm going to give it maybe a two. Because some of the women, like women do often, like you said, Jamie, have agency. They have motivations for murdering each other and also murdering men. They're doing stuff their active participants in the story. I feel like of the discoveries that get made or the clues that get found, and like the characters piecing things together, I feel like it's mostly men doing that, and it's honestly mostly Wadsworth, like Tim Curry seems to be doing a lot of it. But even like when they discover like the secret do okay, I remember what's his name? Colonel Mustard discovers the one secret passageway? Do you remember if it's miss Scarlett that does the other wonderful time? I took that as a note as well that I forgot to REVERI right. Yeah, all of the plan making after them as the murders are being committed, all of the plan making is initiated by male characters, and all of all of the major discoveries, unless there's something We're my thing, are made by male characters. But it's like Colonel Mustard at one point says Okay, this is what we need to do, and then Wadsworth takes over and it's like, okay, we're gonna do the short stick thing and blah blah blah blah blah, Like women don't really initiate the plan ever. Okay, in that case, I'm going to drop it down to one and a half nipples. Then it is a really fun movie that I enjoy. But yeah, women aren't given enough to do. They're not given any sort of like skill because like with the Colonel Mustard thing, being like I'm military, so I have a good strategy, Like he's given a background that enables him to like do stuff, whereas all the women have her husband's and that's how they are identified, except for Miss Scarlett, and even just ends up using her sexuality to like try to seduce people sometimes, but then she also gets assaulted. It's a mess. One and a half nipples, uh, and I'll give I guess I'll just divvy them up between Mrs Peacock, Miss Scarlett, and Mrs White, but also a vet and also the cook. No, just kidding, gonna give all one and a half nipples to the cook. She deserved far better than she got before I give Well, I'm also going to give it a one and a half. But I think Alfred Molena could have played Tim Curry's part very well. He would have really been If there is ever a Cluery boot, bring him in, he would kill it. And Alfred Willna is never allowed to be identifiably British, so it would be a great opportunity for him. True. I think alf Milena could have played every single party like this is a movie made for him. It's like kind of disappointing that he was not in it. But and I don't mean every character would have been good for him. I'm saying he should be cast in every single role all uh nutty Professor Eddie Murphy. Yeah, yeah, like when Deep Roy was every Opa loompa in the Yeah, that's what I mean. And all Alfred Molina reboot. I swear to go, mark my words, one day Alfred Willna is going to starve my rescpute in movie and then it's over for everybody. Um, I'm gonna give this movie one and a half as well. I think that the Who Done It genre has a lot of potential for women because you have to empower all your characters on a fairly even keel. But I don't think this movie does the best of um making use of that freedom and necessity. UM. I think if there had been a female writer involved or more women involved in general. Um, that would probably not be the case, but I like, I mean, I just all the performances from female actors in this movie are great. Um, I I agree that the cook deserve better, the cop deserve better. Uh, it's a very I mean, it's a very white movie and it's a very white genre. Um that is due for you know, like some just different perspectives because it's like, I'm sure that there's ones I don't know about, but like all the major who done it canon is straight white guys. Yeah, listeners, if you have any suggestions for ones that deviate from that mole, let us know. That would be great. Yeah, I mean, and it's like and I love Ryan Johnson, but including Ryan Johnson. Uh anyways, uh yeah, one point five. I'm going to give mine to Mrs White because I like that she's a stone cold killer. Yeah. Yeah, that's the episode gang. That's all, folks, Thanks for listening. 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