Best of the Bus: Hall Of Famer Luke Kuechly Opens Up About Why He Walked Away From Football

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00:00:00 Speaker 1: Our guest today, quite possibly the greatest white athlete to ever be on this earth, a man who has been said got an apartment his rookie year, had a bed, no TV, just for his iPad, so he could be the greatest. Somehow went to Boston College. Should have gone to the University of Michigan or Nebraska. Ladies and gentlemen, give your give a rat a pause for Luke Keickley. 00:00:26 Speaker 2: When it drops one day Hall of Fame, all white teamer. 00:00:31 Speaker 3: There we go. 00:00:32 Speaker 2: Gotta be starting backer, bro, Welcome to the bus. 00:00:35 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It's good to be on here. 00:00:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, So why do you want to start? How do you want to do this? 00:00:39 Speaker 3: Hey? 00:00:40 Speaker 1: Yes, right right, okay, I'll take this. 00:00:44 Speaker 2: Go ahead and start because I'm just looking at it. That's that's him, that's that. 00:00:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you want to start early in his life or younger than. 00:00:54 Speaker 3: I? 00:00:54 Speaker 2: Like? 00:00:54 Speaker 1: That's Did you tell Luke that you actually played two more years in the NFL than him? 00:00:59 Speaker 3: No? 00:00:59 Speaker 2: I figured we could to that point. 00:01:00 Speaker 1: It's a fact. I can't run from that situation. We get to that point, you get to that point eventually. 00:01:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go ahead and start it off, all right, kick it well. I started to gather my thoughts. 00:01:10 Speaker 1: Loo because of field to be the best white linebacker ever live. 00:01:12 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So Brian er Lacker was the guy that I grew up watching him and Zach Thomas are pretty daggon good. And then Chicago guy Dick Buckets. I feel like he kind of kind of got it all rolling a little bit. Can you hear me get it close? Yeah? But uh it was fun. Man. The game of football is special. And the guys that I grew up watching Lack, Zach Thomas, Derek Brooks, Ray Lewis, those are the dudes that when I was growing up, I want to I want to be like those guys. 00:01:38 Speaker 1: When did the bug hit you? Because everything I know, this is obviously the first time we've met. Yeah, but playing against you, practicing against you one time when you. 00:01:47 Speaker 2: Brutal, terrible actually practices. 00:01:49 Speaker 1: We went away did joint practice. And I was always told this guy Luke Keigley, like he is a football guy. He's a machine. The way he operates, he calls out plays. You have so many clips of guys saying, oh, we would be sitting there, we checked to a play, and then you would call out to play. It was no difference when we were in practice. I actually, I don't know if you read this. I walked up to you in the middle of practice between plays and said something to you. You were like a goddamn robot, like. 00:02:11 Speaker 3: You were so dialag I was hot and trying to get me off the field. It dials what you were. 00:02:16 Speaker 1: So when did the bug hit? When did you realize, Okay, football is what I want to do with my life. 00:02:20 Speaker 3: I think growing up I wanted to play football, probably start in like second or third grade. You know, you grew up in the Midwest. I grew up in Ohio. The first game that pops on is at noon, so you wake up on Saturday. We always would have football practice on Saturday mornings. We play on Sundays, and then you'd watch college football all day. So I think for me it was started as a young age. That's the one game that I wanted to play, and we didn't have an opportunity to play in twil I was in fourth grade because just how the school was set up. My dad didn't play football. We weren't really a football family growing up, so by the time I got involved with it, I was in fourth grade. And my brother was in fifth grade and we just played on the local school team. It was a group of I think it was Saint Mike's Our Lady Is, the Sacred Heart is where I went to school, and then Saint Xavier. Those are the three team, three schools that made up the team. So it was really like third grade that I want, I knew I wanted to play, and then fourth grade is the first year that actually played. 00:03:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, why Boston College? Like coming to were you? Were you an offer guy coming out of high school? 00:03:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I knew. You know, when you're coming up, you never expect you're gonna play in the NFL. I think for me, it was always what's the next logical step for me? So when you're in grade school, you want to play on So it was third and fourth, fifth and sixth, seventh and eighth. So when you move up to fifth grade you're on the fifth and sixth team, you want to play on that team, and then as a sixth grader you play, and then on seventh grade you go back in the same situation and then you get to high school. We had a freshman team, a JV team, and a varsity team. So my goal in high school was to play on the varsity on the varsity team as a junior. 00:03:46 Speaker 1: It was crazy. 00:03:48 Speaker 3: It's crazy. We just had we had so many we had. I went to a private all or a Catholic Jesuit all boys school in Cincinnati. That's kind of one of the reasons I went to BC. But there's sixteen hundred boys and we probably had, you know, three to four hundred kids in the football program. 00:04:03 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was huge, three to four hundred years. So your school is one of the reasons why Ohio always looked at such a big. 00:04:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were Southwest Ohigo, so we had like one hundred and thirty five hundred and forty kids on the freshman team. The jv team was just sophomores, and then that was probably seventy eighty kids, and then on the varsity team was like one hundred and forty kids again, so those numbers get big quick. I went to BC because academically was really strong. That was one thing that my parents talk to me a lot about was go somewhere that you wouldn't be able to get into without football. So I wasn't getting in the Boston College. I looked at Stanford wasn't getting to get in there. Duke and then Virginia were the schools that I was looking at, and I was like, I can't get in to any of these schools without football, and I'm like, if I can get a scholarship twenty these schools, I got an opportunity to get a five year education of Masters for free and go play football. So that's kind of what you're thinking coming out. And Tom O'Brien was a Saint Xavier guy. That's we went to high school. He went to Saint Xavier and then he ended up coaching at Boston College and started pulling kids out of the high school to go to play football Boston College. So we probably had a kid there for I don't know, twenty years in a row from the high school, just overlapping, and the guys that went to school there had a ton of success. A lot of them were team captains, a lot of them played really well, and it was a really How that program was run was very similar to how the program was running Cincinnati at Saint Xavior High School. Just toughness, playing hard, doing the right thing. We didn't always have the best athletes, but we played really well as a team, and when I was being recruited, Matt Ryan was there. So were they got as high as number two? They beat Virginia Tech and Blacksburg on that pass across the field from Matt I think I think Andre Calender caught that ball and there was just a ton of hype around them when I was being recruited, and it was good academically. It was outside of Boston. I knew guys that were There was a Jesuit school just like my high school, and they were playing really really good football at the time. 00:05:56 Speaker 2: So were you an overachiever? Like were you a beast in high school as well? Like, are any guys in that school that three to four hundred? Are there any freshmen or guys playing varsity? No? 00:06:06 Speaker 3: So, I mean, you know, my my freshman year, I didn't play a whole lot. We had we had since the team was so big. We had an A team and a B team, So the A team would play like on a Wednesday, and the B team would play on a Thursday. So we'd play the other freshman team. Yeah, so they played on I think on Saturdays. No, the varsity team played Friday nights and then we played Saturdays. Typically, I think is what happened. So freshmen don't play varsity typically, I don't think. I don't know the last time it's happened. Occasionally you'll get like two or three sophomores play varsity, but they got to be dudes. But I would say that eighty five percent of guys don't aren't on the varsity team until they're juniors. 00:06:49 Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's why your goal was. I thinking you like, if you had the bug, if you had this kind of drive, the way everyone sees and talks about this kid to have been a freshman on varsity, but this it seems like an absolute powerhouse. 00:07:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I loved I loved the game of football. I was small, so my freshman year I played outside linebacker, and my sophomore year they moved me to tight end because the backers that we had they were bigger than me. They're they're just better. So my sophomore year, those guys all play backer, and then I played tight end, and then my junior ed studies. I was a good blocker. 00:07:22 Speaker 2: Yeahball, I'll tell you what. 00:07:25 Speaker 3: I'm so glad I didn't have to play offense because all formations and trades and shifts you play mike backer. You just line up in the middle of the field. Yeah, you don't got to go anywhere. 00:07:34 Speaker 1: You're also calling out all those trades, formations and ship. 00:07:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's but off. There was a guy named Ryan Long. He played right tackle and he played tight end in the year before, and then I think in like training camp, and then they moved me to tight end and they moved him to tackle. So he knew all the formation. So I'd line up next to him in the huddle. They called the play make where do I line up? So I Ryan Long was like my my life support, uh, playing tight end. And then I switched back to linebacker as a junior, and then I played like a hybrid safety as a senior. 00:08:06 Speaker 1: So, so as a junior on varsity, were you starting at that point? I did, Okay, that's one when they was. 00:08:12 Speaker 3: So I started to grow. I started to grow a little bit. I got a little bigger. 00:08:15 Speaker 2: How big were you going into BC? 00:08:18 Speaker 3: Oh man? So I played my senior year at like two twelve, and then I got to BC. I was probably like two eighteen. So I played I don't know, two eighteen, two twenty as a freshman, and then like two twenty eight as a sophomore, and then as a junior, I played like two thirty one, two thirty two, Just a. 00:08:35 Speaker 2: Thicky When did you know in college that hey, I might have something. I might have a future in the NFL. 00:08:42 Speaker 3: So I think you know you? So in college it was interesting because Mark Kurzlik, you guys remember him Monster. Yeah, so Mark Hurzlik was a junior. I went to spring game. He was he was going into his what was. 00:08:55 Speaker 2: It because he got done with his junior year, right, he was like a first round potential cancer thing happened. Yeah, he fought his sat out a year. 00:09:04 Speaker 3: I go to spring ball, going as when I'm a senior, Mark's going to be a He's he's going to be a senior in college. So it's his spring ball before his senior year, and they'd been telling me like, Mark's got like a low back hamstring thing, He's probably not going to play a lot in the spring. Amos bummed because I wanted to watch him play. So he goes and plays, a couple of snaps comes out, and then like a couple of weeks later it's he's got ewing sarcoma bone cancer. So I get there I get to school. Mark's out the whole year. Essentially, he red shirted as he was dealing with cancer. I don't know how the guy did it. He was there all the time, worked out every day, was still big and strong, was in all the meetings. He was fantastic as a young guy to come cancer ball. Yeah he had gone through chemo, radiation, everything. But he was a great older guy to have at BC as a freshman. He wasn't playing, so there was like no stress of I mean, he was dealing with cancer obviously, but. 00:09:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a that is a football thing to say. Yes, the distress of playing as crazy. 00:10:01 Speaker 3: So so then Mark's out. Mike mcloffin was our Mike linebacker. He's like the prototype from Massachusetts. He had he had the cowboy collar, neck roll, he had the little bull ring. Yeah, he wore the diaper chin strap. No he didn't. He had a diaper chin strap, but then he switched over to the pad in one. But he was like the prototype. He was coming back from an achilles, so he was going to miss the first couple games of the season and then I don't know, a week or two in the training camp are starting Mike backer. Will Thompson gets like a shoulder stinger. So I'm over with the freshman doing inside run, get my teeth kicked in, and they just needed a mic backer, so they called me over and I had to go over as like little skinny two hundred and twenty pound luke and play against the older guys and just get my teeth kicked in. I was like, this is awful. And my coach came up to me after the after that period and he's like, I was pretty terrible. You got to figure it out because you're going to play week one because we don't have anybody else. I was like, what about this guy? And he's like, well that guy, uh, that guy got popped for a drug test, so he can't play either. So if you're. 00:11:07 Speaker 1: Looking at the saying, hey, you're being told you're gonna play week one, but you're like, hey, what about that guy. 00:11:12 Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, yeah, I'm like I'm my confidence is zero. So hers Lick's out, max out. Will Thompson gets hurt, guy gets popped for a drug test, and then before you know, your top four guys are out and so there's really no one left. Like, hey, week one, you're just gonna have to figure it out. So the first couple of games this season or disaster, you go down the Clemson we play in Death Valley against C. J. Spiller and that they had daikuon Bowers and they had another, they had an I forget another. 00:11:42 Speaker 1: He's back there. JP's a South Carolina guy. He hates every time they're mentioned. They have they have to be trashed off. 00:11:49 Speaker 3: Yeah. So but then you make a couple of plays in those games You're like, you know, I got a chance. And then I remember my sophomore year was when I was like, okay, you played against in Clemson against you know, CJ. Spiller, and then you just start going through the guys that you play against. You're like, these guys are all getting drafted in the NFL, Like this might actually be an opportunity for me. So it's it's just interesting how you go from high school you want to play on the varsity team do as a freshman like you, I don't really have a choice. You get in there and play and then you're like, man, I'm this is fun. I'm starting to have some success. And then you fast forward. You kind of the next thing you look forward too is like I love the game of football. I've had a ton of fun. I'd love to keep playing this as long as I can. So you kind of look back, as probably probably three quarters of the way through my sophomore year, you look back and you're like, these are the guys that I've played against. This has been their career in the NFL. Like maybe I got a chance. 00:12:40 Speaker 1: So there wasn't like a specific play in mind that you made a big play and you're like, oh shit, okay, I can do this. It was a reflection period for you, but you're going to look back and kind of be like, all right, all these guys are playing in the NFL. 00:12:49 Speaker 2: This means I can do X, Y and Z as well. Yeah. 00:12:51 Speaker 3: I just think you you know, you look at it and you're like, I've played in like big games. We played at Clemson, we played at Florida State, we played at Notre Dame, and you like, these are the these are the teams in the situations that you grew up watching and now you get a chance to be in them. And it's something I always tell guys, like, you need to enjoy the game because when it's gone, it's gone. So I was so when I was playing so laser focused on football in the process that you don't ever take a second to really look back and say, damn, like that was that was pretty cool? You know. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're sophomore junior, you're correct me if I'm wrong, But you led the NCAA and tackles. 00:13:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we just we were on the field a lot. We were on the field a lot. We didn't you kind of we kind of really didn't have a choice. You know, you played eighty ninety snaps, like you got more opportunities especially you know. The other thing too, is like we weren't ahead a lot late. So you know what happens at the end of the game. Their teams are running four minute, they're gonna run the ball and they got they got five or six run plays, and they're gonna run power. They're gonna lead, and they're gonna run stretch. It's like perfect, all right, here we go. 00:13:57 Speaker 2: Buddy. Every time he like you'd see a statu sheet on like league leaders, and he's sitting there every week averaging like fifteen tackles a game. That is I'm thinking, who is this louke Keekley guy from that he must be on the field a lot, yeahst lot, Like the excuse to the competitor makes like, oh they got. 00:14:13 Speaker 3: Well, you know what's funny is you look at all those things and like people are lying if they don't look at that stuff. Right. So then I went and looked at it one time and it had number of snaps played and it was like we had a gazillion. And then you go look at like Alabama that got like Dante high Towers at Alabama, he had like half the amount of snaps played that we did. Inland, Chris Borland had a million. 00:14:34 Speaker 2: Dog. 00:14:35 Speaker 1: Well, you were here as twenty. 00:14:36 Speaker 3: Thirteen, twenty twelve, twenty that linebacker class was strong. 00:14:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys had because I was twenty thirteen while I was undrafted. But twenty twelve you guys said it. 00:14:46 Speaker 3: Was you, so it was Dante Hier and then Bobby got drafted in the second round. Wagner, Levonte, David Do, Mario Davis. Yeah, there was some I'm sure I'm and I'm probably missing some guys. 00:15:00 Speaker 2: But those top four that you just said tomorrow Davis, Levante, David yourself, with Bobby Wagner. 00:15:04 Speaker 3: Three of those guys, I mean to Mario is still playing with the Saints and that dude he's You look at his stats and it's like, oh my gosh, like what he's been able to do. Same thing with Bobby. The guy that I never feel like it's enough credit is Levante. I love Levonte. Look at go look at his his sacks, his forced fumbles and his fumber recoveries. It's unbelievable. 00:15:27 Speaker 2: Dude. 00:15:27 Speaker 3: He is always around the football. He's a great dude. 00:15:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's phenomenal. Yesterday, the Bucks their profile posted like his stats. He has sixteen hundred tackles. Right now, there's only eight guys in the history of the game that have over sixteen hundred tackles. Him and Bobby Wagner are both still doing it. 00:15:43 Speaker 3: Unbelieved guys who have those and they're not slowing down. Bobby had over one hundred last year. I think he just resigned. And then Levante signed another deal with Tampa, which is cool because you know, as great of his career as he's had, he's been on the same team the whole time. 00:15:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's cool gevity that he's had. Yeah, and and not get jaded over kind of being overlooked by so many guys yourself at points. 00:16:07 Speaker 2: I was telling JP has one Pro Bowl I believe, and it was as an alternate. But it's such bullshit because he's like one of the most underrated players of all time. 00:16:15 Speaker 3: Well, the thing that hurts him is that he he's classified because they were four to three. He was an outside linebacker, so like the prototype outside linebacker is like, you know, the rush and the guys got fifteen sacks. 00:16:28 Speaker 1: And right that's where yeah, those those Sam and Willis kind of get screwed over in the Pro Bowl because the guys at their hand of the dirt. 00:16:34 Speaker 3: Well, the funniest part about the Pro Bowl is that they those off the ball backers. They're listed as outside linebackers. The only rush it's only a four down look, so those guys have to play off the ball. They're playing a fourth three justin Houston is playing off the ball at five yards, Like what are you doing? 00:16:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know they at the fourth quarter of the game. If it's tight, though, I'm aout to take you. 00:16:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because it is. 00:16:57 Speaker 1: It is a little bit of a war. 00:16:58 Speaker 2: We interrupt this episode. 00:17:00 Speaker 3: You neutral. 00:17:01 Speaker 2: Have you tried Neutral before? 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And that was like, I think my first introduction to the Luke Keikley. You had like yourself a little mirror, oh gosh on the wall and they're like, you know that guy is? 00:17:53 Speaker 2: We had? 00:17:53 Speaker 3: That was so fun? 00:17:55 Speaker 4: Dude. 00:17:55 Speaker 1: IM really is an awesome place because there's no like I was a big time party ring college and then you know, got a little straight as I got into the league. But like when you're in Brandington, Florida, there's like newly weds and nearly dead. There's no one between. There's no nightlife or nothing. So it was me and like the thirty other guys that were training. 00:18:10 Speaker 3: Awesome. 00:18:11 Speaker 1: That's all we had. We had like a small little shitty. Those little apartments are just off of the IMG. 00:18:16 Speaker 3: The golf cart. 00:18:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, the golf cart you rip it around. 00:18:18 Speaker 3: It was the first time you had a little freedom golf cart in your own place. 00:18:22 Speaker 1: But it's also well regimented. I loved it. There was that were you thinking about tween there in Exos? 00:18:28 Speaker 3: No, because the guys so Markers like and then Anthony Costanzo. 00:18:33 Speaker 1: A gangster Boston College at Yeah. 00:18:35 Speaker 3: He they were the year year ahead of me in the draft. So Anthony got drafted first round by the Colts. And then Mark mark was went to the Giants and those guys trained at IMG and and I went to school with them and I was like guys Exos or IMG, and they're like just good to IMG. We went there was sick we enjoyed it. It was awesome. It was sick. 00:18:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're entire Yeah you work there because I AMG. I feel like they do it better than anybody else as far as like getting guys good for the combine because they don't just do the weightlifting and the running, but they're also they have a classrooms to go over media stuff almost improvisation classes to Okay, you're thrown off with this, what do you do now? What do you said X, Y and z. They bring up maybe some things that aren't so great about you, like how are you going to attack this situation? So I think I AMG was such a great experience. 00:19:21 Speaker 3: It's so funny you do all that work. And then when I worked with the team the first year I got done planing, I worked a team in the scouting department, and you can pull up all your profiles if you know combine, and you know every every you know report written on you and highweight, speed and all your tape, and so I was like, I got bored one day. I looked at it and I looked at my combine interview with the Panthers. It's a disaster. Really Yeah, I was like sitting had my glasses on. I was nervous. I was probably sweating, and I was supers like they'd asked me a question bike, Yes that's cover four, and I'm like, gosh, you suck. 00:19:58 Speaker 1: You sound so bad, right, that's how obviously getting drafted, Like I met with the Titans, and I was probably the same way, but a year removed. Seeing those same familiar faces now in that room. Yeah, how image you are. 00:20:08 Speaker 3: Oh you're so scared man, And because the train station is no joke. 00:20:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, like that that combine experience was your Did you have a good combine experience? 00:20:16 Speaker 3: I really yeah, I really enjoyed it. 00:20:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:20:18 Speaker 3: I think that first night of those interviews, because you have the train station, which is like they can just come and grab you, obviously, and then the one on ones or they put you in the room where it's only fifteen minutes and half the first two minutes three minutes of them introducing themselves, in the last two or three minutes of them leave you leaving, so it's only like a ten minute window. And then they're peppering you with questions and I'm nervous. You're at it's your job interview and you're trying to put your best foot forward, and I was just nervous and I was sitting in there just and I was like, I would not draft that guy. 00:20:52 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well the combine is so crazy as everyone sees what happens when you're running and benching and jumping all that, but really all the scary shit happened. 00:21:00 Speaker 3: Oh that's three four days prior. 00:21:02 Speaker 1: When you get to go run, you're find like, thank god it's over. Yeah, because you get there the first day and it's like kind of introductions. Hey, this is what's gonna happen. This is your land yard, this is the train station works, this is how your official meetings work. Four am you have a pissed test. Yeah, so it's like the number one rule is like just do not miss it and make sure you don't piece. So I remember I was roommates with Zach Martin. 00:21:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we. 00:21:21 Speaker 1: Took shoes and we put it on top of the toilet seat just in case you wake up in the middle night and try to go pee, and we would like be like a little Countabillo buddies, make sure we're all up together. 00:21:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what you need because you're nervous because you're up at. 00:21:33 Speaker 1: Four am for a drug test, and then it's meetings all day, MRIs the middle of the day, and then back to the train station. 00:21:39 Speaker 2: Everything else. 00:21:39 Speaker 3: Well, were you a weight guy, did you have to keep weight on? 00:21:42 Speaker 1: I was always a guy that had to gain weight. 00:21:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, they get you there and then you can't eat as much as you typically do. There's no scale, so then when you have to go weigh in, you don't know how much you weigh right, and they're like, Luke, you need to be over two hundred and forty pounds. So you're just in there chugging. 00:21:56 Speaker 1: And they have the worst fucking snacks. But it's all like cups, the skittles and shit, Like, I guess this is what I'm doing. 00:22:02 Speaker 3: I gotta do it. I gotta drink, I gotta eat something. Yeah. 00:22:04 Speaker 1: I always did a great job having like food waiting for you. Hav himself a little area where you go with a backpack. 00:22:09 Speaker 3: And they just stuffed it with everything. I'll tell you what the combine it was. I loved it. It was so cool because you grow up watching it. You don't really grow up watching training at IMG, like you don't really understand that. But you grow up and you watch these guys run the forty and jump and bench and do all that stuff. And then you get there and you're like, this is sweet. I get to do It's like your first step to the NFL. Doris. I had to do it. I had to do them on my knees and I had something on my elbow, but like, not a not a ton. I was pretty lucky. 00:22:40 Speaker 2: It's funny too, how much everybody? Because I know Levante him being like an undersized guy. Guy's just obsessing over hitting a certain weight. Got to weigh in just so you hit the metric, like Levante always played like in the like like two twenty to two twenty five. But he's like, I have to be like two hundred and thirty three pounds. 00:22:57 Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? I never weighed to forty ever again in my life. 00:23:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, but on that little stat sheet says toy. 00:23:03 Speaker 3: And you're like, yeah, every don't don't skip me a pound. 00:23:07 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:23:07 Speaker 3: When you step on the scale two and you saw two forty two, how juice that thing kept ticking up? 00:23:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, yes, dude, you know another thing that's kind of a sleeper. Did they have the little egg pods? 00:23:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, you do that afterwards. 00:23:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we would do those IMG like every couple of weeks. I guess if anything's gonna fucking change, But my body fat would be like I don't know, like twenty or nineteen or something like that. Okay, but it had to be in those rooms. They had to have a certain pressure for those that read correctly. Yeah, So when I got to the combine, they hadn't made this open room where it was like being opened and closed a bunch, So my body fat was read at like fifteen percent. Yes, I'm like, oh, I made a four percent jump in a week. 00:23:41 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 00:23:42 Speaker 1: I thought I was killing I've been on my shit, Yeah, I've been on it. What was the most nerve wracking part for you at the combine from from the like athletic standpoint. 00:23:50 Speaker 3: Oh Man, probably the forty yeah, because that was the question was how how much you're gonna weigh and what are you gonna run? So I actually had to run it. I ran the forty three times. You mess up on one, so the first one I run it goes really well. Second one, because you know you can't see it, you got to find ways to like get it. You know, you look at your phone and somebody texts you, but. 00:24:12 Speaker 1: It's not They don't do that anymore. 00:24:14 Speaker 2: Do you watch it now? 00:24:15 Speaker 1: Now they have people in the stands and they show your four. 00:24:19 Speaker 3: That's kind of nice because. 00:24:20 Speaker 1: It was the same way for me too, where you go up and like a couple of the guys you're like, hey, what I run Like they're saying. 00:24:25 Speaker 3: X, Y and Z. Yeah. So then second one comes up, and you know, when you get in that forty start, there's holes because everybody's been there, so everybody takes like the same like first two steps, so there's kind of an indentation in the ground. And I was off just to half step to the left, and I took my first step out and I stepped kind of in the whole sideways and I turned right real fast and almost ran into the the laser reader and then straighten it out and I ran like it was I ran like four to nine, and I was like, oh gosh, that was you said that was the second one. That was the second one, the first one. The first one was like four or five. And then I go four to nine and this guy comes up to me and he's like he's like, hey, you're gonna probably have to run another one. We got a bad reading on either the first or the second one, and I was like, oh no. 00:25:11 Speaker 2: Did you know at the point too that you had ran a four or five In the first one, Yeah. 00:25:15 Speaker 3: I knew I ran well. And then the second one, I knew I stepped in the hole. And I'm like, okay, this kind of makes sense. So then everybody had to go run their second one. So I was the last guy after the last guy in the in the line to go run again, and I ran it again. I looked at it. Guys like, how is that. He's like, you'll be good. I was like, all right, perfect, you'd be good. 00:25:32 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:25:32 Speaker 3: He's like, he's like, the middle one must have gotten messed up. But it was I stepped in, I stepped in a hole, or I stepped my step was bad or something. But you know, it's so nerve wracking. That's like the only thing that matter. 00:25:44 Speaker 1: What's that you didn't want to focus on getting a tan before the combine? 00:25:46 Speaker 3: Of course? Not you look faster that did you have the task? 00:25:50 Speaker 2: Did you ever last in the four fours? 00:25:52 Speaker 4: No? 00:25:52 Speaker 3: I don't think we ever really ran. I think we ran a forty Like the first week we were there, and then everything was just segmented out out. You work on starts, flying twenties, you know, flying forties, so you never really get a true number for what you're gonna run, but you have an idea like I felt good, I felt strong, I felt my starts were good. And then it's like, just go. It looks so stiff running it. 00:26:15 Speaker 1: But I know because it will, and I am You're trying to do everything you're training. You're like elbows and this and that and relax your face. I remember I ran a forty when we first the forty IMG, and I was like a five to one. 00:26:25 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:26:25 Speaker 1: I was like, there's no fucking way. I'm like, I'm a sub five guy, no doubt. But I was like trying to like mechanically do exactly what they were saying the whole time to where it was just awful. 00:26:34 Speaker 3: Part of me thinks that they click it a little bit slower. 00:26:36 Speaker 1: I thought the same. 00:26:37 Speaker 3: So they're like, you ran you ran five four, so then when you run four nine, they're like, look what we. 00:26:42 Speaker 1: Did half second faster. We're the greatest thing. 00:26:45 Speaker 3: They were unbelievable. Lauren Seagrave was was he there be He was unbelievable. 00:26:50 Speaker 1: Older older guy. 00:26:51 Speaker 2: Right. 00:26:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was always wore orange, always war orange. 00:26:54 Speaker 1: He had the really shocking shoes. And then who was the chick from London? Did you have the girl? 00:26:58 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:26:58 Speaker 1: She was a yeah she was Yeah, she was a great running coach. I can't remember her name right now, which kind of sucks. 00:27:03 Speaker 3: It was I had a ton of like everything that they did there was a reason why they did it. It's not like we just showed up and they're like, all right, you're gonna do this and right, and I remember running like the short shuttle. It was footwork. It was like seven or eight steps, right, it's all. 00:27:17 Speaker 1: The five in the five ten five because in fact, if I was like two three two or something like somebody, they had like numbers to it. 00:27:24 Speaker 2: You're like, okay, you're somebody who could like skip over to the first five and just get in like two steps. 00:27:28 Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, this was amazing, like all that stuff that you put in for you know, there's Laurence c Grave right there. 00:27:36 Speaker 1: That yeah, he is awesome. 00:27:37 Speaker 3: He was great dude. 00:27:39 Speaker 1: So I don't know if you felt this way, But after I ran the forty and I got the time that I wanted. It felt like everything else was just cake after that. Yeah, because it's so stressful when you're standing up because we had what number were you? Do you remember for the combine? 00:27:51 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:27:53 Speaker 3: I don't so what I was thirteen, maybe I don't know, Yeah, nineteen nineteen. 00:27:58 Speaker 1: I was twenty three. And my whole thing was like, I just don't want to go first. So I was like, oh, I'm twenty three. Last name is Lawan, I'll be I'll be solid. Well, they broke it up groups, so it was one through twenty two, so I was the first guy to go in the second group and they're like, we're all kind of warming up. Everyone's so stressed out. Yeah, that's my Beyonce walk. 00:28:18 Speaker 3: And you see that tan you look, Yeah, you look like you're you look like you're about fifteen percent right there. Yeah. 00:28:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what the body comp said. But that chick that I can't remember her name, the one from one, and she's like, hey, when you run go to the back of the platform and have your Beyonce walk, like every the whole combine everyone you're waiting on everybody. Yeah, but once you do that, it's now your time. You take as long as you need whatever, And so I took all the time in the world because I was my heart's racing right there, my little gazelle you see on the back too. 00:28:49 Speaker 3: How'd you think your walk was? You give the thumb out. 00:28:51 Speaker 1: I was so I was thinking about okay, steps, you're moving your little feetback, and you're just thinking, please don't get called back on this start. That was what I was most nervous about because learning IMG, they basically tell you like your first start's gonna be your best one or your first two. After that you kind of like your brain fucks up in your CNS or something. So it was once I ran that and I got back to the boys, mim, hey, they're saying four nine right now, I'm like, all right, I know I'm selling. 00:29:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel good about it. 00:29:17 Speaker 2: Is there a team you felt like you knocked it out of the park with in the interview process? Oh? 00:29:22 Speaker 3: Man, you know what? 00:29:23 Speaker 2: Not? 00:29:23 Speaker 3: Really? I don't, really, I don't that was I don't remember that. I thought the stuff with the Panthers went really good because so Ron Rivera obviously play with the Bears. My high school road roommate was Mike Morrissey. He was two years older than I am. I was, and he was a great older guy. So when we when we went on trips on the road, he was my roommate for away games. His dad played with the eighty five on the eighty five Bears to played with the Bears like ten years and he played linebacker with with Rivera. So I remember going to the combine and be like, I don't know any of these guys, but I know that Jim Morrissey and Mike Morrisey have said really good things about coach Rivera and his experience with them and their friendship and playing together in Chicago. So I'm like, at least I have one guy that I kind of have a connection to. So that one was out of all of them, it was probably the easiest one after I said how bad my interview was on that video. But I felt probably the most comfortable with them because I felt like there was a little bit of a connection there. 00:30:22 Speaker 2: Did you know, did you feel really confident that I was going to go to Panthers that grabbed you in the first round. 00:30:27 Speaker 3: I thought there was a chance, so you kind of looked at like teams that I took a visit to Carolina, so I met with them at the Combine. I took a visit down there pre draft, and I kind of knew like nine to fifteen to twenty because fifteen was Seattle and they drafted Bruce Irving. Bruce Irving and then they ended up with Bobby in the second round, so they were going to draft a linebacker. I thought Buffalo was at ten. I think they drafted Stefan Gilmour from sc and so I thought it was going to be one of those teams. I also took a visit to Tennessee, so I think it was they Actually that was. 00:31:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they did draft a linebacker and it was Zach Brown. 00:31:10 Speaker 3: Zach Brown, he was. 00:31:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets. 00:31:15 Speaker 3: Dude. 00:31:16 Speaker 2: Trent Richardson. 00:31:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't know where they drafted what point? 00:31:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, scrolled down a little bit. I want to see what they took. 00:31:25 Speaker 3: Are you talking about the Titans? 00:31:27 Speaker 1: Kendall? 00:31:27 Speaker 2: Right? 00:31:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, damn the would have got him anyway, you knew, Yeah. 00:31:34 Speaker 1: True should have traded up yea. But yeah, so you do you did you have any did you have a place you wanted to go? Like you looked at it. 00:31:43 Speaker 3: I thought Carolina would have been cool. I had some family that was down there. I was familiar. I liked it because Iran. That was the biggest thing that thought was cool was that I knew him and they spoke so highly of him. And he was a linebacker and he coached like Irlacker and Briggs. Yeah he's with San Diego names with the Bears. It just it felt I was like, that'd be a cool place. 00:32:04 Speaker 2: How was it when you first got there? How how was he as a as a coach? Because since you were a backer. 00:32:11 Speaker 3: He was phenomenal. He was like he did a really good job of separating being the head coach, but also like he wanted to be a player again, so he'd be in the locker room, he talk to guys, he was he'd have you over to the house. He just made you feel very comfortable. So I always felt like, you know, he was obviously the head coach, but he felt like a guy that he just wanted he wanted to help you. He wanted to put you in a position to be successful. It was awesome. I couldn't have been in a better spot as far as just the people that were there. Sean mcdermo is a defensive coordinator. I don't think that I could have ended up in a better system for to play linebacker with that four down look. I played Mike, which was if I was playing Will. I was struggled because in space you're matched up on receivers. It's just bad news. Yeah, but you can run, Yeah, you can run straight. 00:33:02 Speaker 2: But you Julio Jones, did you know he did what he did? But everybody's getting. 00:33:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure they can pull a picture of that up. 00:33:14 Speaker 2: There. 00:33:14 Speaker 3: It is. It's yeah, the right, you know that's that's not even the best one. There's one that's like two pictures, three pictures to the right on that search. 00:33:23 Speaker 2: That one looks better. That one looks actually, matter of fact, take me how much higher he is there? Take me to the ground. He just because you're running with him, quarters and you're competitive by one. 00:33:37 Speaker 3: So it's quarters. And if you have speed at number three, which Julio definitely accounts for that, you get a backside the backside quarters defender on the hash helps you out get your three daggs. Yeah, we called it. We called it a fat call. But yeah, same thing right now, you understand my struggle. And they motioned the empty and I'm like, oh man. 00:34:01 Speaker 1: So for the people listening when they motioned empty one. Now there's no more facts or there's no more help from that. 00:34:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, the emotion to emotions. 00:34:09 Speaker 3: This looks so this look. You know what Matt Ryan's saying right here is my guy's just better than all of you because he looks like he's covered. 00:34:15 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you're you are covering. 00:34:17 Speaker 3: So I'm running down the field. I'm like, man, I am in good shape. They throw that ball and I'm like, I am in great shape. I can't see him, but I know he's behind me. I reach up and all I hear is and it's the ball hitting his hands and me falling down and my face hitting the ground, and I just hear the crowd explode and I run and I and I remember I picked my head up, and the only thing I remember him seeing is like, you know when these guys used to score and they like this as they run the end zone. I just saw him do that look at me, just face face, face down, and I'm trying to I'm hearing the crowd scream right now. And then I picked my head up, did you? And they right at the end, they show him kind of right there. That's what I see when I look up, I see that, I see it, says I can't even see the name Jones because he's tilted forward like that. And then I get to the sideline and my coach is like, hey, you know you're supposed to be on him, right, I was like, you know, I was, I know, I was. 00:35:16 Speaker 2: Is the craziest. 00:35:19 Speaker 1: You're a mic linebacker. 00:35:21 Speaker 2: You're coaching Keekley and Julio Jones and scores on a competitive ball, and you're like, I. 00:35:25 Speaker 3: Mean a competitive competitive competitive is a nice way to say it. I mean it looked competitive, and then when the ball got thrown that the competition kind of went out the window a little bit. 00:35:36 Speaker 1: Let this play a little bit. 00:35:37 Speaker 3: I'm running, he's running like three quarter speed. I'm running literally as fast as I can, and he's still running away from me. 00:35:43 Speaker 2: Your safety over top was trying to get in on the action. 00:35:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just I mean, he looks covered right there. 00:35:49 Speaker 3: It's he's he's covered, and right he just throws the ball up for him. Yeah. Look, I'm trying to pull through the I'm trying to pull through the pocket. 00:35:57 Speaker 1: The pocket. 00:35:57 Speaker 3: I'm trying to pull through the pocket. He just kind of big boyed me there a little bit. God. 00:36:03 Speaker 1: I mean, you see a guy like Julio Jones. 00:36:05 Speaker 3: You know, if you get me, you don't have to give me excuse. You just say that you got you got that. That was on Randy Moss's You got Moss the next week, So you always want to be on you Got Moss as a little kid. But not for that reason, not that. 00:36:17 Speaker 2: Way at all. Was that? 00:36:19 Speaker 1: What is like your toughest play, that the worst moment you've. 00:36:23 Speaker 3: Had, the worst? 00:36:24 Speaker 2: Was that? 00:36:24 Speaker 3: It? 00:36:25 Speaker 2: No? 00:36:25 Speaker 3: That wasn't it because I kind of felt like the best I could have done, you know, give effort was strong. It's just kind of like, hey, hey, man, like just better than you? 00:36:37 Speaker 1: Better for that moment. 00:36:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's yeah, he's just better. I remember my rookie year, we were playing Seattle and it was Russ. Russ was a quarterback. Russ and I trained together at the combine for the combine. Remember, he breaks contain, He's running to his right. He breaks contain. Obviously he's running down the field. I'm in coverage. So he crossed the line of scrimmage. I'm I was like, I'm gonna crush him. And he's running and he's running like almost straight at me. I've got a great angle and he's running like this and I'm running like that. I'm like, I'm gonna crush him. The last second, right before about to hit me, puts his left foot, left foot in the ground and cuts back this way, and I'm getting ready to just like fall into the tackle. And I turn and look. Guess who was running mock five at my face? That rust set up? Mike Robinson, remember him, Penn State guy. He he hit me. He hit me so hard that I don't really I didn't even feel it. It wasn't a dirty hit. He didn't me in the head. He just hit me and I just crumpled to the ground. And I remember like looking up and he just smiled at me, and I was like, you got me. He's like, I know, I know. So it was that was that was you talked about, like welcome to the NFL, your rookie moment. That was one of them. And then we played, uh played Tampa my rookie year at home. Was it was we were up at the end of the game, we were probably up six or seven points. They ran a vertical ball, three verticals in cover four and I was matched up on Vincent Jackson and Josh Freeman throws this great back shorlder ball to him, and I thought I had him covered in college. You eat, you're close to him, he's covered. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know what a back shoulder ball was, and so I'm running with him and then all of a sudden, he spins. He opens up and he puts his hands backside and he catches this football. And I was like, how that happened? Like somebody stuf. You score a touchdown, they tied it up, they go to overtime, We lose an overtime. So it was just like one of those things where you don't you're just naive and then something happens in a game and you're like, Oh, that's what they were, that's what a back shoulder ball was. In that ball, I was. I mean, I felt like I was in great position, but the ball was a little perfect. My awareness was zero, and he just put it on his back shoulder. Of Vincent Jackson opened up and caught that ball, and I was like, that sucks. 00:39:11 Speaker 2: So did you really not have a TV in your apartment? You're rookie? 00:39:15 Speaker 3: That's so uh? No, I had I had everything. I had no, the what happened. So what happened? So what happened was so it happened going into my the the rumor was going into my second year, I've moved apartments like and end of July. So then you know, going into July, you're going in the training camp for the first like three or four weeks of the season, and I just it was on the back burner for to set up cable. I had my Internet set up, but I was like, I don't need cable for this first like six eight weeks because I'm never gonna be here. So I didn't have it set up, and somehow one of my buddies got wind of it and it just turned in this It just turned into the this whole thing. 00:40:01 Speaker 2: Where so that came from one of your buddies in the locker room. 00:40:04 Speaker 3: Yeah. I came to the locker room like hey, did you watch Like somebody's like, hey, you've been watching whatever. I was like, no, I don't have I don't have the cable set up in my tea in my in my apartment. Yet they're like why not? Was like, I just moved. I didn't have time to set it up. Like we just went to training camp, like I hear very much anyway, So when I get back from after training camp, I'll get it set up. So that was like what had happened. Everyone's like, you didn't have TV. I'm like, I'm not a psychopath. 00:40:29 Speaker 1: Very much. Frame like that. Yeah, which is I just pictured you in a carpeted room with a blow up mattress. Yeah, maybe a hyperbaric chamber. 00:40:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, just paper plates in a microwave and macaroni and cheese and ramen microwave. 00:40:41 Speaker 1: It takes out too much nutrients. 00:40:43 Speaker 3: For Yeah, there it is right there. 00:40:44 Speaker 1: God, Yeah, that that is one of the things. 00:40:48 Speaker 3: That like, look at that just I mean, that's an insane throwing catch. And then they went for two. They're down, they're down, They're down eight. So then they got to two conversion afterwards and I ran into the goalposts and that was like insult the injury, Like I just got I just got worked and I just got crushed by the post. Watch this, look at my leg. God sucks. And then you turn around and then you turn and then you look up and you're like he definitely caught it. And look at the official. It's like he was waiting to do that to make sure you were taking a peek for yeah. Yeah, yeah, he scored. 00:41:21 Speaker 2: I was like, nobody touched that ball. 00:41:23 Speaker 3: Oh dang, look at me. I'm like, gosh, I suck good hit flexibility though, or I was twenty one, so it didn't really matter the defensive player rookie the year though. But luckily they didn't see that play. Yeah, but how awesome is that? It was cool? It was fun. I mean it was uh. 00:41:41 Speaker 2: You just. 00:41:43 Speaker 3: To have the opportunity to play like that as much as I did as a rookie was so cool. In a great system. 00:41:48 Speaker 2: It was. 00:41:49 Speaker 3: That system was set up for linebackers to just run around. It was cover three, Cover four, a little bit of man. We had really good guys in front of us. Our defensive line was sick, and they called plays that highlighted the linebackers. So it was Thomas and I. So John Beeson, I'll talk about who is it Thumper who I talked about? Like, so go back to college with Hurzlik and Mike mcloffin, like great older veteran guys that had no their pride never got in the way. They were just there to help you. Mike Morrissey, the guy I talked about that new ron and those guys were so helpful. And then when I got to Carolina it was the same way. So when I got there, it was James Anderson was coming off her career year, Baste was coming back from an achilles All Pro Pro Bowl or like the dude in the middle like a stud, and then Thomas was coming back from his thirty ACL. Thomas at full speed was what Thomas was for sixteen years in the NFL. And then me, so there was four of us. I was the rookie. BS and TD were coming back from substantial injuries and achilles in an ACL, and then James, excuse me, was gonna play obviously healthy, had a great year coming off a good year. So I remember I showed up my rookie of my first days there. TD comes in and and he's like, hey, I'm Thomas, here's my number, lock me in. You need anything, let me know. And I was like, that's just an older guy coming in and like checking a box and doing all this stuff. But it was he was the best helpful, talked you through things, taught you stuff, where to who to talk to to, you know, chiropractors, where to just where to do everything. In Charlotte. He was fantastic. How to practice, how to be tough, how to play hurt like all that stuff. And then Beasts was Beascott hurt. Pascott put on IR. I think after the Atlanta game, my rookie heear, which was like week or week two or three, and so then I slid from outside linebacker to inside linebacker at Mike Beasta spot. And all Beasts ever did was help me, sat next to me in meetings, talked to me, watch tape with me. Hey, this is how I this is how I played cover two, and this is why. This is what my eyes looked like. There was never there was never any sense of like you're playing Mike your first round pick, like I'm hurt. I've been hurt two years in a row. Maybe there was never like I'm worried about my job. It was how can I help you? So I think, you know. I was always very fortunate to have guys like that through my football career high school, college and then Beasts and Thomas and James and a guy named Jordansen who was played with us for a long time. He was like a could play all three spots, big time teamer, but was very and smart, very intelligent, great with his body. He sat right next to me in the locker room and he would just all he ever did was just help me. So I just a great coach with Ron and mcdee was a decoordinator and then those guys around me. It was like a perfect situation. 00:44:40 Speaker 2: Dude TD had a hell of a career. 00:44:43 Speaker 1: And able to come back and play the way yea. 00:44:45 Speaker 2: And I met him out at one of the NFL one of the NFLPA meetings, and this dude you see like burger and fries and that's was rever. He sits there, I'm like, hey, are you eating like this throughout the season. He's like, Oh, I eat whatever I want all the time, which is buddy, how in the do you do that? 00:45:00 Speaker 3: I think some of those guys like that's just they're more that's just what they're their best at. Like this is what he plays, this is what he's how his body reacts the best, and that's what he's gonna do. But his like six inch snap was un He was so fast, so explosive snap, ultra physical and just a great guy to watch as far as how to do things. 00:45:26 Speaker 2: Just a dangerous linebacker. 00:45:28 Speaker 3: Just tough, high effort, ultra competitive, you know, like all those things that require no athletic ability. It's all like decisions, like you know, you are what you are athletically you are, how high weight, speed, whatever, you make a decision, how tough you are, how physically you are, how hard you play, and how much it matters to you, like those are things that you control, and he was it was great to see that from an older guy as a young guy, like, these are non negotiables that you make the decision when you walk on the field you're gonna do it a certain way. 00:46:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a great leadership. Yeah, walking and helping you out on that road. Yeah, that's an unreal when you you obviously there's such a conversation revolved around you about like calling out plays and did you already have that capability to break down film or did those guys were they a big part of teaching you that stuff. 00:46:15 Speaker 3: So I was fortunate in high school. Our high school coach would bring us down to his office during lunch and he'd put on a VHS tape and we'd eat lunch down there and he'd put the tape on the tape would just run and we could like rewind it if we wanted to. But then you don't really understand why you're doing that until you know you're in the game and you're like, oh, I saw that and when we were watching tape with coach, and usually it's after the fact, so it's like very like retrospective. But you start to figure out, like, oh, I can get a real advantage by watching tape. So we kind of did that in high school. And then I got to college and there's a guy, another guy, Wes Davis. He was a safety California guy, super smart, intelligent, big tape guy. So when you get to college, you know it's like you can you can watch whatever you want. You can sort it however you want to watch it, personnel formation down a distance. You know, it is whatever you want. So I go in there and I'm like this is too much for me, dand I got to figure out how to do this. So I would go watch tape with Wes. This is as a freshman, and you know, Wes would be in there and he'd be like, all right, he imagine we're playing Cover four and you get this, like how you playing it? So you start to figure out all right, I can match my call up with the play, so when I watch, when I watch tape, I can envision myself in that situation. So that was kind of like the first step. And then the second step would be Wes would be in meetings and say, all right, he's like this, this gives us problems in cover three, and in my head, I'm like, I don't really know what that means. Bout like sure, So he'd be like, this is why it gives us problems. He's like, if I see this look in a game, I'm gonna let you know and then we'll just kind of play it like this, you know, you kind of play the play a little bit. And he's like, all right, i'm gonna give you heads up in the game when we're gonna get it. He's like, I'm gonna tell you when to play it a certain way and we'll being good jape. I was like great. So then comes up in a game, Wes gives me like a nod and I'm like, hey, you know, I like give him a nod back because yeah, hey, what's up, And the play would happened and I would just be aloof and be like, I gave you a nod. I was like, I gave you one back. He's like, no, that was it. So then just slowly, over time you're like, okay, now I understand why he's watching tape. So you watch tape, you understand situations, and you pick stuff up and you accumulate knowledge, and over time you just understand, like, this is how teams really want to run the football, This is how it matches up against our defense. These are the top formations. I mean, you know how it is. It's like if it's two by two and the tight ends on the line of scrimmers, their top ron concepts are probably this, this and this right. And once you know that, then it's like, all right, So if we're in an overfront and they run that first run play and we're in this defense, who's gonna to block me? Okay, this guy's gonna block me. All right. Say they run the other play and this same defense, same front, Boom this, Now this guy's gonna block me. And you go through that, and then when practice rolls around you get it. And then when the game rolls around, it's like, all right, here's my formation, here's my my, my, my call on defense, this is how we're lined up, the ball gets snapped, I get my one read from whoever I'm reading Boom. Now I know who's gonna block me. I know where the ball is gonna go. I have to beat that guy in the run game, whoever's gonna block me, and then I'm clean to the football. You know, one guy's blocking you on each play. So if I know top run concepts, I know how it fits within our defense. I know where I line, I know where my stressors are. The ball gets snapped, I read Boom. Now I know who's gonna block me. Now I have now I already have a plan of attack. Well, how I'm gonna get after him before the ball gets snapped. So then you're playing the game before the ball gets snapped, and then everything just slows down as the ball gets snapped. So I it was just because you got to like, you know what is you gotta This is a bad play right here. So I remember exactly this play. So Andy Gallax, the center you guys ran and it was like a split zone. Look, split zone. Hang on, we're in man coverage and we're in it's an in and out, so safety down here. Yeah, So TD and I are like the in and out guys. So my guy goes back across the formation at the tight end. I got to fall back in a pass in pass game, but if it's a run, I got to stay front side. So it was a run. I see the guy go back across the formation. I fall back, and this ball stays front side. And look where it hits. I get blocked by I think Andy Gallax. The center's a BC guy. Looks where it gets hit, probably right where it should be. Kind of a disaster. Who's yeah, yeah, yeah, so disaster. This is a touchdown. I mean the dexter mccluster on this touchdown here. 00:50:40 Speaker 1: So was this twenty fifteen? 00:50:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were bad then too. How would you three and thirteen year for us? How did your prep develop like in the league, like a you are how are you breaking down each day like on Monday or you first second down? 00:50:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, run conflict. So like Monday was so you know, Monday, you come in, you get a workout, flush, watch the watch the game from the night before and kind of our day before whatever, make your corrections, and then I'd always watch two first halves of the team that we were playing and just get like general feel and I always feel like first halves for better because you got to you got to feel for who they were, right, So I think about or like think about, like, say we're watching We're watching the Titans, and I watched the whole game. Maybe in the second half, you guys are up big, and so now you guys are running the ball a little bit more. Maybe the past game is not as aggressive. They're different than what they want to be coming out right first in the first half, like your first fifteen, your first probably twenty five plays or things that you guys have really thought about, your top concept stuff like that. So I'd watch two first halfs and just get a feel for, like, you know, what do they look like up front? You know, are they like for example, we play the Falcons, right, Alex Mack like big, athletic, smart, ranging, really good player, Like damn, I got my work cut out for this guy. And then you go, you know, in the backfield, it was Tevin Coleman. He's like big, kind of a slasher, like one cut wide zone type guy. Devonte Freeman is like a little bit of shake good burst, could run physical, not a real big guy but gets lost and like is a firm really good. I thought he was really good and if he could speed you up, slowly down, run through you, and then you look on the outside of Austin Hooper was the tight end. And then it was like Roddy White and Julio Jones. You're like, all right, boom, so like this is how they look up front, this is what they look like in the backfield. Like, you know, we play the Falcons. You don't really need to watch mad a whole lot because you got a really good feel for We played him twice a year. He's he's Matt Ryan. You know, you know, need to take a ton of notes on that, but you get a feel for all right, Kyle Shanahan, wide zone shifts and motions. They're going to try to get you in a compromise position. They went to run the ball to the bubble. So that's Monday, and just it's like click through like click through stuff real quick. Tuesday. 00:52:54 Speaker 2: Are you a big notes guy or are you just notes? 00:52:55 Speaker 3: Because that helps me if I write it, then it helps me remember. 00:52:58 Speaker 1: And this Monday, you're not necessarily take knows you're just feeling the game. Yeah, feeling the process. 00:53:02 Speaker 2: Of the game. 00:53:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, and feel them and like I'll write down some notes like if they've got a dude that I'm not used to playing against, or I haven't seen a lot of them, Like this is like offensive line moves really well. Center fifty one is a really good player. Running backs, this is how these guys feel because I always felt like with running backs, if you don't play against them a lot, you don't know how they like feel on contact. And I didn't like that, Like I want to know early in the game, how do you feel you firm like stuff like that, And I felt like that was one thing that I always wanted to watch during the week is how do they run? How do they take contact? Do they like contact? Like are they a stiff arm guy or they what do they like doing? Because then in the game you got to have a plan. I mean, you'll play Marshawn Lynch. You can't just like run in there and I hope you're gonna get them on the ground. So then I would take light notes on that and just get a feel because mentally, I was like Monday was a day where I'm like I need to kind of break it up a little bit. So if I took a ton of notes, I'm like, this is just too much mentally. Then Tuesday you come in, hit a little workout, and then I'd watch run games. So our coaches did a good job of breaking down run game based on like formation, down a distance, excuse me, top concepts, and then I would go and highlight like four games and then you know, you can sort everything, So i'd sort it by like personnel. It's like, all right, I want to I want to see all their twelve personnel runs, and then like, how do they run the ball to twelve personnel? So three by one is it two by two? Do they like running twelve personnel and putting the t the tight end in the backfield? Because if so, now it turns into like two back run versus like if they're in a wing or double like ace both on the line of scrimmage. Now it's like one back run twelve. Yeah, so it's like a completely different concept. So I want to know what they do, and then I would break it down by like personnel, group, then formation, and then top concepts inside the formation. I'd take notes on all those and just chart it, cause like it took a lot of time, but I felt like if I could write it down, then I would remember it. Better, so then and by Tuesday I usually had I usually had the game plan like first and second dound game plan, So then I'd watch all that chart everything, watch those games, and then I'd watch a full game after that and then see how it fits, so like when do they run it? Like when are they eleven, when are they twelve? What are they like doing out of thirteen? When do they do it in a game? And like what's the game flow? And then you could call I could call defenses within that within that watching that game, so you know, first and ten the first quarter, like all right, I was gonna play cover three, So line up and cover three, see my overfront, See where I got a line, see where rotation is, and then kind of go through it that way, and then you know, just kind of buzz through it like that. So then you get a feel for how they want to run the ball out of formations. You get a good feel for what they are, and then you see how it applies to the game and how they get to stuff. And then I can apply our first and second down game plan to that and just run through that. And then Wednesday, after practice, I'd do the same thing, but with first and second down pass, So break it down the same way and see how the run game matches with pass. 00:56:10 Speaker 2: Game, what conflicts you could potential. 00:56:12 Speaker 3: What conflicts, And then like you start to figure out, like are they a formation based team in the sense of do they run plays, run plays and pass plays out of formations? So regardless what the personnel is, Like, if it's three by one wing, they could run that at eleven, they could run it at twelve, they could run out of thirteen, They could run it at ten if they wanted. But it's the same run concept and they're just looking for the best matchup within personnel groupings that run that run play. Or are they a personnel group team where in eleven these are their top five run concepts, and then in twelve they want to run this, and then thirteen they start getting heavy. It's like short yardage. They're going to play too heavy a wing and a backside tight end and it's going to be like load power counter o. Why three poolers going somewhere? Or are they just like I said, a formation based team. So then as the week goes on, you get a feel for what this team wants to do, why they want to do it, how they get to it. Are they a shift motion team? Do they build sets? Because the only thing that matters in football is what's the final formation? So are they stagnant or do they line up in three by one and then shift to two by two and then motion this guy across to three by one. I don't care about any of that. I just want to know results. What's the final result of the formation is what I want to get to and how they do it. So when the game comes around, you're not like, oh, well it's three by one. But I didn't anticipate them get into it at Like, no, I already knew that they're gonna be a heavy shift, heavy motion. My brain's already turned onto it. So when they get to when they start to move guys, it's like I've already prepared myself for this. And then third down you just watch it by you know, down the distance and then watch another game and see kind of out all ties together. And then Friday was red Zone and special So like if we were playing you know, cal or Alvin Kamara, like, you can get a lot of matchups on one of them if we play man coverage, Like I don't. 00:58:01 Speaker 2: I don't like that matchup you'll be able to get the rat in this situation, or like stay in the box. 00:58:06 Speaker 3: And if I get put in a bad situation, I need to have a plan of attack of like does he like moving off a certain foot, how does he stem? Where does he get uncomfortable? Where does his move area out of the backfield? Where does he like going? And then so when you get in that situation, if it's man, you're like, all right, Like, he's a better athlete than me. He's henna probably make me miss a bunch, But like, here's my plan of attack that I've already thought about on Friday. So when it comes around in the game, you're like, all right, I'm good, Like, yeah, this is my plan of attack, and like I feel good about it, and I'm going to go attack him and if it works, great, If not, like I feel good about what I did going into the game. 00:58:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, how big of a role did the TV copy? 00:58:47 Speaker 3: Love? TV copy? 00:58:48 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:58:48 Speaker 1: The TV copy is that where you found the checks and oh yeah, stuff like that. 00:58:52 Speaker 3: So you just I would just watch like the All twenty two and then anytime the quarterback comes to the line of scrimmage, you turn on the TV copy and see what you got everything that he says. You got to listen to it and write it down, and then you got to check it a few times. 00:59:09 Speaker 2: You know, you remember any teams that were changing their verbiage because they essentially knew that they were playing against you. 00:59:14 Speaker 3: No, if I didn't, if I didn't, if I didn't know a word, I never guessed. But like you always have to, it's always just like it's a n TD. 00:59:24 Speaker 2: It was probably like salt pepper. 00:59:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, that tells yeah, salt and pepper. So that was was used in the Super Bowl, and I thought salt was left and pepper was right because salt isn't and pepper was right because they. 00:59:38 Speaker 2: Had white black they had background there in a black line background. 00:59:41 Speaker 5: They had salt, salt, salt, you're white. Hey my head, it looks like hey, something on the same page with you. 00:59:52 Speaker 3: Because inside inside that game, so inside the game, they said like Tiger and and Paradis. Matt Parrotis was the center and he and he said Tiger Tiger, and one of the offensive lineman was like huh and he said tiger er. I was like, ah, you're going to the right. So I took that forward to salt and Pepper, and I remember having an argument with TD about it, and we get in the sideline and I'm like, I don't know why they called Pepper, and they and they went to you. I was on the right side or whatever, the left side, they're right, And He's like, no, you missed the whole thing, Salt, you're white Pepper. I was like, ah, it makes sense now, even the crafty Oh my gosh, it's so funny man. 01:00:39 Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, there's definitely like a crazy amount of you calling out those plays, Like what do you think your batting percentage was on those? 01:00:48 Speaker 3: I think if you feel good about it, Like I remember we played Tampa in twenty fifteen and they had a toss play and it was Tulsa and I remember we were it was a check they talked about. We were it was like on a third down maybe, and we were all mugged up. So Thomas and I were both mugged up. We had a safety mugged up, so we were you know, if they had and they had a they had a front side bunch and so if they if you just down bock pin and pool the off the ball defenders that are supposed to make the play are never going to get there. It's like throwing a screen out of a mug, look like a wide receiver screen. And I remember he gets there and Jamis comes up and looks around and he's like, all right, we got double mug. All these guys in the line of scrimmage. Safety's down showing off the backside, the rotational guy, and the nickel showing up because it's a bunch because he's got to press the point. And he checks Tulsa and I'm like, oh my gosh, perfect yeah, and said we pull we pull everybody out and bump everyone plus everyone front side just totally get out of the blitz. We're supposed to be dropping defensive tackles. It was like a sim pressure and we just told all the defense I'm like, go, don't drop, it's a run, it's a toss. Go And one of the guys, I think Jared Allen made the tackle and I just I was so happy, like it all worked. You know, you get that one play, get that one play you make based on film, and you're just like, yeah, it's all worth it. 01:02:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, all the preparation was worth it for sure. 01:02:18 Speaker 3: And TD was great at that TD watched a ton of tape too, so we had to get a little combo. 01:02:23 Speaker 1: When you get to those games, the amount of preparation you put in, know, like album Kamara, when you're like this, I'm gonna attack him. So I know regardless, like my process has been correct. Yeah, did you have nerves before the games or was it like Hey's in the Barn. 01:02:36 Speaker 3: I was always nervous. Yeah, like you want to You always want to get in the flow as fast as you can of the game. And the longer you're out of the flow of the game, the less you feel like you're a part of the game. 01:02:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:02:49 Speaker 3: So you can prepare all you want, but you you want to get into the flow of the game as quickly as you can. And if you're not in the flow, you feel like your flow and I hate that. So you're always nervous to go in the game because you don't know. Each game feels different, like it feels different from you know, the surface is different, how the team you play is different, the coordinators are different, how they want to tack you is different, the players are different, the run game is different. Like everything feels different each game, and you were always like I don't know about nervous or you're anxious to like feel feel the game and be and feel like you're a part of the game. And until you do that, you're kind of like, damn, like I need to need to get in there. 01:03:33 Speaker 1: You need to get in there, need to feel someone, You need to like a little action early in the game. With with that thought process, was it better for you in your mind to go three and out your first defensive drive, like oh boys, we got the three and out, or like a nine eight nine play gritty drive where maybe they come out points, but like you know, the kid, this next drive, I'm gonna I feel like I'm immersed in this game now, so I feel a whole lot better. 01:03:52 Speaker 3: I think it depends on if you get if you get a piece of something early. 01:03:55 Speaker 1: Y, Yeah, you got to get a piece of something, Like if. 01:03:58 Speaker 3: You make a good tackle like on first or second or third down, or like first or second down, you make a you make a good play like around the line of scrimmage in the run game, you're like, all right, I got like kind of I'm good, or like you get like you make a good play on third down, you get a stop, we're off the field in like a three and out or you know you're just you're in the mix, or like you feel to say, they're on power and you like you like stick a guard and you force a guard. You're like, all right, I'm in good shape. But if it's like pass toss, run away incomplete on third down, you're still like like itch in a little bit. Yeah, you need to get like you need to get you need to get a piece of something. 01:04:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to feel somebody. 01:04:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about the pain from from the Super Bowl? Yeah, and have you forgiven Cam Newton for not jumping on that phone? 01:04:42 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. It was. The further you get away from it, the more you appreciate it. Like how special that year was, how much fun we had, how good our locker room was, Like all the games that we played in that were so fun that the city of Charlotte was awesome. Like the media coverage of that season in the locker room, it was like anybody that was anybody reporter wise, was in the locker room every week. We didn't lose a game until Christmas. We played on Thursday. We played, Yeah, here we go. Played on Thursday night in Jerry World down in Dallas on Thanksgiving. 01:05:17 Speaker 2: Oh buddy, I'm sorry to interrupt. Yeah, that was my favorite game to watch of you. 01:05:24 Speaker 3: I'm I'm like, you're like a proud father and I'm your son. It's you just got like comfortable. 01:05:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, because we'll talk to the Cowboys. He usually has a dim light on it, so it's nice to see. 01:05:34 Speaker 2: Him light up with the Cowboys just as a backer and appreciating and respecting the game that we played, Like watching getting to watch that Thursday night football game, because again, you're not like watching everybody else like when you're playing on Sundays, but knowing that you had there was dedicated time like on holidays to where it's like, oh, these teams are playing today and watching you against the Cowboys those two ploy those two picks you had back to back. I've sat there and I was trying to get everybody in the room enthralled, like, do you guys understand what just happened? You being a Tampa two player and them trying to run you out, clear you out for that deep dagger by one and you coming down to pick it off after you already have your responsibility taken care of. 01:06:14 Speaker 3: That is art. 01:06:16 Speaker 2: You're coming back, coming back the next series, and knowing you're in a cover four responsibility with wit as the tight end and they're trying you over the top without any safety help, and you picking that ball off, getting your head around. That's art, and I just want. 01:06:29 Speaker 3: You to know that you should to hang around me and talk me up a little more. 01:06:32 Speaker 2: Obviously you have all the accomplishments in the world, but just like some of those plays and you just talking through Tulsa knowing you're mugged up and everything else, I appreciate the art that. 01:06:41 Speaker 3: You put on display. Was it was. I appreciate that this Yah. 01:06:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I'm getting up right now. But these plays right here, boys like you, guys want to lock in. 01:06:49 Speaker 3: The guy that made the play was Thomas. So we were in a sim pressure So basically what was supposed to happen is TD was supposed to blitz and we were supposed to drop the defensive end to the field. So Romo saw the pressure, so he's like, all right, the hook player. It was just simple pressure Cover three. The hook player is a defensive end, so I'm gonna throw this dig right behind the defensive end. So Romo, Romo checks protection, swings everything, and so Thomas is like, do we need to get out of this? They just push protection to me, it's a bad matchup, so he checked. Thomas looks at me, He's like, hey, we need to check cover two. I was like, all right, cool, let's do it. 01:07:29 Speaker 1: So who's at the green dot? 01:07:31 Speaker 3: I did, but Thomas and I and like Roman and Kirk Coleman. It was like, it's just a discussion. It's a discussion. 01:07:38 Speaker 1: Crazy that you guys have enough time to have a discussion as well, that's wild. 01:07:41 Speaker 3: TD and I had like a hey, he's like he just micd it. You want to go to cover two? And I was like you want too, He's like yeah. I was like all right, cool, check cover two. So like you've got time. And then this play is like one of those plays that you talked about, like you always want to get this play in cover two and it never works out that way, like either you're a backside player or you're blitzing, or it's man coverage, and it's just one of those plays where it's just right place, right time, like it happens and you're taking a shot. Oh yeah, you're like you're you're you're trusting. Look at Witt, Look at Whitney's. 01:08:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's wide open. But again, you're trusting, You're you're trusting. Can you go back to the top of the play. 01:08:20 Speaker 3: And a lot of it starts too with. 01:08:22 Speaker 2: It's like you starting high and trusting that all right, Romo's went through this progression and where now I'm going to take a shot and leave the middle of the field to go pick off. 01:08:30 Speaker 3: And then stagger. The other thing is ben so ben a ben Wickery is playing. He's one of our corners. He's playing at the I think this same at the bottom of the screen. If you don't get a good jam on that guy, then I can't see the release. So the release by one if he inside releases and you get a clear out and then a sit look at the jam. Do you see the jam by Bene? So the jam slows it down. 01:08:49 Speaker 1: This is what we're talking about. 01:08:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets the good jam, pushes him inside and puts those two guys on levels and slows him down. So the progression for Romo is slower, right, So he doesn't get to dot that ball when he wants to. But I get to see inside release by one, I can see the sit by two. And then once he puts his foot in the ground. I'm like, all right, I'm clean, Like I'm good because I know that once his inside release, his company's probably gonna run an cut and that's going to push Roman to that over right. So then you're like all right. But then you're like you said, you're kinda you're kind of taking like a calculated chance. 01:09:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, so is as the mic backer you have the middle of the field, I mean, yeah, Tampa two, you see had a bailout and you're deep. 01:09:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, in his backs to the quarterback. So again he's taking like a calculated wrist just coming out of the middle of the field. And so it's funny the whole player, you know, he's it's like you're jumping the fat lady when the pretty ones behind him. 01:09:42 Speaker 1: Why at that point are you like, okay, I'm safe, because you know your safety is now coming back over the top to help you. 01:09:46 Speaker 3: Out, and you kind of know, you kind of know where that ball is meant to be thrown. The ball is meant to be thrown to the dig gotcha. 01:09:52 Speaker 1: So his romo in his mind is still thinking, you guys are in a simulated pressure where the end's going to drop, and that guy's covering him. 01:09:57 Speaker 3: I think he probably knows at this point that we're not. I just think he probably is, like, all I got, I got Tampa. The the hook player jumped the little in and out route, the whip route, so I'm just gonna throw it behind right, So I had a little bit more time to kind of field out because Bene got such a good jam. He slowed the progress so that guy really got him inside. So like it's it's one of those things like you don't just make the play by yourself, really good jam. We had really good pressure that whole that whole game. We hit him a bunch, so like that clock gets sped up, and then Thomas great awareness by him of like getting out of that. 01:10:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have incredible quarterback answers of shouting out the. 01:10:35 Speaker 3: Team the entire course. I mean, he's right. 01:10:38 Speaker 2: It's like when what Romo scene is, like he knows as the hook player sitting there, He's like, oh, this is one hundred out of one hundred, I'm gonna hit this clear, hit this dig over because. 01:10:45 Speaker 1: You can see right here even with you covering the standway like that almost seems a little open to me, But he's right here. Yeah, and that where him He's like, oh, there's no one because he's expecting you to still. 01:10:54 Speaker 3: Go up because because avoid in the middle of the field, Nickel is moving out towards that whip, so that ball is supposed to get thrown between the numbers in the hash right that dig yes, the dig window. So he's like, I'm in good shape, you know. 01:11:07 Speaker 2: And I'm sure we're not able to show the screen like during the YouTube, So anybody that's curious, it's Tony Romo throws an interception to Luke Keekley looked at play up. 01:11:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be able to show because that is that is art, Like, that's the beauty, that's the game within the game. That kind of like people will see and like, wow, Luke was amazing. But for you to like give us what TD was saying the jam all that like, that is that's good football. Eleven guys getting. 01:11:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know we had time. He bumped him and put him inside and gave me more time. It's like this is happening in four seconds. 01:11:44 Speaker 1: Yes, which is just so crazy because you're not supposed to be anywhere near that ball when it's thrown. 01:11:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just all it's quitl It just all fits it like all fits together, you know. 01:11:56 Speaker 1: Was there And I hate to bring this up again, any chatter about Newton not jumping on that fumble. 01:12:01 Speaker 3: Honestly, no one ever said, No one ever whispered, no, his his toughness. We never questioned it. The guy never never complained. It's the first guy in every day. He worked so hard, never never yelled at guys, never threw guys under the bus. Like you talk about a dude that just all he wants to do is play football. And it's just that was just a bad game for us. We just didn't play. We didn't play our best game. 01:12:27 Speaker 2: The Seeing Cam Newton on the field, there's like there's like a few guys Calvin Johnson comes to mind, but seeing Cam Newton dressing on the field, he looks creative player. Yeah, he's like an action figure out. 01:12:39 Speaker 3: He's like all of six five. 01:12:41 Speaker 1: Everybody, well, he's taller than six five. We saw him at Power Slap and he was eye to eye with me. I feel like he was taller. 01:12:48 Speaker 2: Must get that. 01:12:49 Speaker 3: He's like he was like he's like seven feet tall. With all that. 01:12:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt he's not getting any rides. But That's interesting you say that because the way he's portrayed in the media is that like he's a cat that seems like a very much an eye guy. Well that like when he's when he's on ESPN, he said I would rather have my MVP trophy than a super Bowl trophy. I'm not getting that same Bob as I'm getting from you were. 01:13:11 Speaker 2: Like, he would you give up your Defensive Player of the Years for that super Bowl? 01:13:15 Speaker 3: Yeah? The super Bowl is like the Mecca. Man, Yeah, you know that's all you want question You just want to win a super Bowl. 01:13:23 Speaker 1: But he looked at you like you were dumb right there. 01:13:25 Speaker 3: Tell you what toughness, competitiveness, love of the game of football, love of the Carolina Panthers, like Cam just tough. You never questioned is he going to play hard? Like you never question that. You might question, like what is he gonna wear? But the dude competed, he played so hard, loves football, just tough and competitive and. 01:13:52 Speaker 2: It just it also clearly he knew what was going on. But it's like that, h what is it that clip of that play where somebody's trying to call out something, somebody trying to call something what you're trying to do. 01:14:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you like that. Watch this? 01:14:03 Speaker 2: Oh that was clay Man. 01:14:04 Speaker 1: Because Clay's watched that wheel. Oh you watched film too. 01:14:08 Speaker 3: Watch this and he threw that ball to McCaffrey. But it's interesting. So Cam, it's like he he can. He remembers like everything. So they had a signal. Him and Greg had a signal for like it's like a route that he ran and Cam's like, hey, dude, like we got to switch it up. We've run this too many times, like everybody knows what it is. And Greg's like, all right, what do you want it to be? And Cam's like, ah, I don't know. We did this like four years ago and against Atlanta and it was like the third quarter and you know it was like ten minutes ago in the game and ten minutes to go and third quarter, and I gave you like this signal like I don't know, that's cool, we just want to do that. Greg's like whatever, yeah, And like I like went and looked it up and I was like whoa, Like he was spot on. He was like pretty dagon close. Yeah. So but him and Greg had a really good, good connection, Like Greg has such a great feel for you know, space and timing and windows and just he was really good at a lot of things. Great. He was big, he'd catch everything, could run, block, never came off the field. But he had such a good feel for like where to be, how to get there, how to stem guys like he was so good at that. And Cam and him had such a great connection that they could just kind of look at each other and they both knew what was going on. They'd line up in this set. It was a three by one set, so Greg they called it one by three. Greg was backside and you could line up and cover three or cover four, it didn't matter. It was basically man because it was just Greg in a corner or a safety by themselves and they just look at each other and figure it out. And it was really cool to watch. But a lot of it was just Cam's super smart remembers everything tough, competitive, and it was fun to watch him and Greg play with each other. 01:15:53 Speaker 2: How was it being in the mix of the Odell Beckham and Josh Norman. 01:15:57 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that was like peak Josh. Yeah, yeah, And that was part of Josh's game. I remember when we played Dallas, him and Dez are going out of the whole game. And that was part of Josh's game. 01:16:09 Speaker 2: And you know. 01:16:13 Speaker 3: It was we were in it and they let and I'll tell you what, they let those guys play a little bit until there was a couple. There was like one or two instances where like they had to separate them. 01:16:22 Speaker 1: Odell had to head missile shot. 01:16:25 Speaker 3: That was that was that one wasn't great, but that Josh was another guy. Josh great feel, great feel, smart, unbelievable ball skills in ultra competitive, ultra competitive. So that was a great matchup for them. Josh played fantastic that year. Josh was exactly what we needed in our defense, like long rangey, great ball skills, could compete competitive. He was really good and that that was an interesting game. We were up a million points and they came all the way back. Odell actually caught a ball there at the end of the game to tie it up and then Cam went down and I'm gonna kick the field with to win it. But it was like we were there there, Josh and I having a good chat here. 01:17:10 Speaker 2: He tried tell him to keep his cool. 01:17:12 Speaker 3: I like, hey, keep doing you man. 01:17:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had him at Washington. He's his ability to punch the ball out, the Peanut punch. 01:17:18 Speaker 3: He learned it from Peanut, So Josh, Josh was always around the ball. Then Peanut came in twenty fifteen and Josh was like his Josh, I think saw that and he's like huh, like I can do that, and he just had It's a timing thing, you know, it's a timing thing, it's an opportunity thing. It was just really good at it. So yeah, he was a stud at Peanut was awesome. Held you talk about a teammate, Oh my gosh, great teammate. 01:17:47 Speaker 2: Peanut Tillman, Oh my gosh, I love that guy. 01:17:49 Speaker 3: You guys had some fucking dogs that Super Bowl year, so it was cool. I mean you you also Jared Allen too, just like him. Yeah, we had Jared Awn and Peanut that in at twenty fifth teen and then Roman Verse so I came in. I remember the first time I met Pep. 01:18:04 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, he is a monster. 01:18:08 Speaker 3: He's big, but he's very he's proportional. So like when you see him from a distance, you're like, oh, he's big because he's so proportional, and then closer you get to him, you're like Oh yeah, he's pretty stout. 01:18:21 Speaker 1: I was so happy when we played, y'all, and he was I think he went back right, he played and then he went to the Packers. 01:18:27 Speaker 3: Played us at fifteen, he was in he was in Green Bay. So he went Carolina, Chicago and then Green Bay and then at the end he came back to us. 01:18:36 Speaker 1: Because when he that was like his last year, right, his last two years drinking, the last two years. So when we played, I mean, he put his hand in the dirt. I'm looking at my form and his forum. I'm like, this is not something we're not playing the same game, are just equal. But he was in that. He was in that mode of I'm gonna pick and choose my shots to kind of win, to really go hard. But he was like playing the game and it was love. 01:18:57 Speaker 2: Just I was so happy. 01:18:57 Speaker 3: I'm just so talented man. 01:19:00 Speaker 1: Him and guys like Sougs too, like just kind of like understood the game at a level where they knew when it was time to turn it on and not when they got that older age. Was just so cool to see. 01:19:10 Speaker 2: So then another guy that was a freak athlete, Shack Thompson. Shack, so you're mentioning all those vets and yeah, Shaq Thompson had the ability to he had a lot of range. 01:19:18 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So it was interesting. They bring Shack in and he played running back, linebacker, safety at Washington and we bring him in and Thomas was playing well, I was playing Mike, so like there's not a ton of room. But we're like, we need to get this guy on the field because he's so talented. He does everything well and he was super smart from the day he got there, Like you tell him at one time, he got it. And there's guys that can like memorize, and there's guys that just have great feel for the game of football and how to play in competitive and effort. Shack showed up in the day that he got there. He had all that, and so we need to find a way to get him on the field. So we would play him at nickel right and we called it Buffalo and it was just like a it was just a package we had. It was like a big nickel so we could play all of our nickel calls but have a bigger body in there so we could like blitz him. We could play five down with him on the line of scrimmage. We could play zone coverage, so then there was really no matchup issues. But we were able to get him on the field and highlight what he was able to do, and it was just awesome. Yeah, he's a great and he's a great. He took so much pride in being the young because our room was good. So it was like Thomas aj Klein was a. 01:20:35 Speaker 2: Really good player because he was a fourth rounder. 01:20:37 Speaker 3: That yeah he was Iowa state kid. 01:20:39 Speaker 2: Was he twenty thirteen thirteen years Yeah? Yeah, he was my year because he sat behind you. But anytime, like you would be down and he'd come in, he'd light it up, like you got to go on and take a contract to get bigger money. Yeah with New Orleans, right, yeah, with New Orleans. 01:20:51 Speaker 3: So Aj would play, Shaq would play. But our room was like establish older guys, and he came in and it was like his mission, like I'm not going to let any of you guys down. So like that's how he prepared, that's how he practiced. He played special teams, never complained ever, just a good guy that like got it. So he's got a great career. 01:21:14 Speaker 2: You guys did have just a hell of a room. Yeah, I'm sure, like Aj. You know, you just got to be itching to get on the field at times, like playing behind somebody like yourself, or just knowing you're not going to be seeing the field unless an injury or something like that happens. Because Aj was a stud at Iowa State. And again, anytime he came in during a stint that you'd be out like he'd light it up. 01:21:32 Speaker 3: Like he was a hell of a middle linebacker. Yeah, I'll tell you what. You give those guys a lot of credit to because he was like the the first guy in wherever. So if his needed to be Will, he could play Will. If he needed to play Mike, he could play Mike. If you were playing you know, three backers in like a base, look, he could play Sam. And you know, you don't get reps at practice, right like you don't get any So he had to show up in locking in meetings and go to practice and you know, do his thing there and then rundown on teams and then oh hey somebody, hey, Luke's out, Like, go play Mike backer, all right, the one that next week TD's out, Lukes backing, all right, Now you gotta go play Will backer. And it's like it never he never lost a step or like had a mental blip. He's just it's impressive, like those guys that are able to do that at a high level. 01:22:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, what was so fascinating to me is watching your career and like when when you started like four or five, six are to sustain a couple of injuries, your ability to kind of take your head out of it but still be so productive. How did how is that like transition for you? Because it seemed, at least from me on film, obviously, Okay, this guy's not putting his face in as much, but he's still finding ways to manipulate blocks and be just as productive. 01:22:41 Speaker 3: Which you kind of nailed it. Like you the older you get, like you physically you slow down, right, but it's like like physically you slow down, but like mentally you you learn more. 01:22:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've passed your physical ability with mental ability. 01:22:54 Speaker 3: Yes, So then you're like, I don't need to I don't need to go smash that guy, Like I know where his point of attack angles, I know where mine is. Can I speed him up? Can I slow him down? Can I get him playing at my speed? Like my advantages are quicker and faster. I might be a little bit. I might have a little bit more like quick pop than he does. If I get in a dog fight with him, he's bigger, stronger, he's more powerful. I'm gonna lose like nine out of ten times. So it's like, how can I manipulate a block in the sense of like if I need to get there, and I can get you to slow your feet down or stop your feet Now, I can speed up faster than you. I can slow down faster you. I can speed up faster than you. So instead of like trying to run through your chest, if I can get you to stop your feed, doom, but when I can just get past you that way, So it's like how can I You don't you don't want to hit a million guys in the game. It just wears you down. 01:23:42 Speaker 1: So it's like there's an ego element to it, like Mike Linebacker being a thumper, like you could hit Like was there a report where like I don't want to give up this part of me, but I know it's the best from my longevity. 01:23:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, you just like you gotta you love the game of football, like you better figure out how to play it as long as you can. And that's just kind of part of the like it's kind of part of the game, you know. 01:24:00 Speaker 2: Talk to us about how when you were first starting to sustain the concussions. Like if I'm a teammate of yours and you get ding the first time, Oh, Luke, he's got a concussion. 01:24:07 Speaker 3: Second time, Luke's got a concussion. 01:24:09 Speaker 2: Third time, when a pattern starts creeping up and then you're coming into the cafeteria or something and it's like, hey, what are you learning? Like, talk about that time as a pattern starts to show itself with your head injuries. 01:24:21 Speaker 1: Because there's always a point of feeling like vulnerable, like almost like mortal. 01:24:24 Speaker 2: And two, like when you're getting stuff like concussions, you know there's a part anytime you have an injury and you're coming in the room, you're you feel like you've let everybody down. Or like if you have an ankle right or a high ankle sprain, and guys might be like, you know, they're not questioning can you go, but in your mind you're insecure enough to where you're like, I hope these guys know that I am facing something pretty bad right now. I'm just not able to be on the field. But yeah, talk about your the head injuries. 01:24:50 Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is what you learn and you know, like you said, you're twenty five years old, you're like, I'm fine. I think a lot of it is with the concussion stuff. If it's like you need to be as honest with you can't with as you can with yourself and with everyone taking care of you, because if they don't know how you feel, they can't help you. So like the more honest you are with them, the better and the quicker you can come back from whatever you have going on concussion wise. And that's what I learned, you know, probably the hard way is like our doctors are phenomenal. They took great care of me. They did everything they needed to do, and I just wish I would have learned from an earlier age to be more honest with them, because you got to get all the way back before you can go play again. Right, Yeah, Like there's no like, say you have like a wrist that's bugging, you can like tape it. 01:25:39 Speaker 1: And like like okay, it's kind of like a badge of honor when you're. 01:25:42 Speaker 3: Like you like figure it out, like or you do something to your finger, like all right, but like you don't really you'll be fine, yeah, versus your head, it's like you can't really tough it out. And the more you try to tough it out, the worse it gets. And then you start to realize, like, why do I like, like you said, you want to play and like you want to bring value to your team, right, And then you start to realize, like, all right, if I'm not honest and I go back out before I should and I get dinged again, I'm providing less value to my team because now I'm gonna be out for longer. So it's like, all right, maybe it takes me, you know, two weeks to come back. I'd rather be honest and take those full two weeks and come back. Then after we'd be like I'm good and like and you're not, and then you get dinged again. Now it's five weeks, so instead of it being a two week injury, it's a six week injury. And it's all because you didn't take care of yourself. Like that's really I think what I learned, you know, probably not as quickly as I should have, But what I learned was the more honest you are with yourself, and the more honest you are with the guys that are their job is to take care of you, then the better it is for you, for them, for the team, for your you know, I just want to play football. The faster I can get back to playing football. So it's like everything gets better the more honest you are. 01:26:59 Speaker 2: Now when you had the first one, like how many do you would? Do you think that you had before that first one? 01:27:04 Speaker 3: I don't think I had zero zero, like for sure like one hundred percent, because you always wonder like, well, I know if I get one. And then the first one I got was in twenty fifteen, and I was like, yeah, that's that's one. 01:27:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, So and did that one you come back earlier from, like when you're saying I learned it sooner if you did. If you feel like you didn't have any before that first one, was there some of those early ones that you're like trying to in your brain tough enough? 01:27:31 Speaker 3: So that one was the first one, and I was like, I was like I need to like get my I need to get better. And it worked out literally perfectly. So that was week one and then I think we played, Yeah, we played three games and we had to buy so you know, you got to two weeks into it, and our trainers like, dude, he's like, you need to relax first of all, because you're putting all this stress on yourself. So what's just you're not gonna play next week? How about that? And I wasn't. I wasn't gonna be back anyways. But he, like him a lot of credit Ryan form million, He took all the the pressure off me and was like, we're just you're not gonna play next week and then the following weeks of bye week, so like you have two weeks so just like kind of relax and that happened, and I was like like like okay. So then I remember I went home for the bye week, and I knew how to aggravate it, like I knew how to give myself. A lot of it was uh oh, exercise base, like heart rate base, like if I got my heart rate up, then I'll start getting like headaches. And I was like, all right, I feel really good. It was like Thursday of the bye week, Thursday or Friday, I was back in Cincinnati and I wrote up like a really hard workout and I was like all right, this is like it like either I'm gonna be good or I'm not gonna be good and there's like no one between either. I'ma feel like crap, I'm gonna feel really good. Yeah, and I hit that working and I was like, all right, I'm good. And then and then I had a full another week of practice, So essentially you had like five weeks. You know, you're not hitting anybody in practice. 01:29:01 Speaker 1: Right, especially at that point. Yeah, so usually that third week of then Mark. 01:29:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was probably the best I could have handled it. And then moving forward, you just have a couple when you want to play, and so maybe you don't like you just I didn't handle it as probably well as I could have, and like it just it was it was unfortunate. But like now it's like you go talk to guys, you're like, dude, if you get one, like you have to be smart and you got to be honest with yourself. 01:29:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a difficult game you're talking about though, because you have the hindsight of like looking back, like when these guys like Will and I talk about all the time, like when you're in it, there's like these blinders that are on your eyes and you're solely focused on this thing and this is the main storyline of your life. But everything else, like the next forty years of your life, you're not even concerned about it. 01:29:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and you're also like the only thing I want to do is play football, right, Like that's it, Like I just want to play football. I want to be on the field with the guys, like I love playing football on Sundays. And then this prevents you from doing it. So you're like, I just won't play football, Like I just won't play. I just won't play. I just won't play, And that cloud your judgment more than like really anything else. Is like I just miss wake up on Sunday during football season and like just like watching from your my house. Yeah, Like we played Tampa then twenty fifteen, and I remember sitting in my apartment, like the team went down there and I was just watching it at my house. Like this freaking sucks. 01:30:22 Speaker 1: There's no there's no lonelier feeling than when a team you're injured and the team goes on an away game, when you watch the buses leave and you're like you you feel so ico everybody. 01:30:32 Speaker 3: In your life. Yeah, it's but then it's like it's good perspective. It's like, what do you take from it, and it's like all right, well, when other guys are missing games, like you gotta have like like you got to check on those guys, like, dude, how you doing right, because you know what's eating them up? Yeah, it's like, dude, I hate to feel you man, like just get better. 01:30:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, they get better. So how many did you end up getting throughout your career don't? 01:30:54 Speaker 3: I don't know? I mean I miss some time and obviously fifteen sixteen, I missed a game in seventeen and then like nothing that was like really nothing like big after that. 01:31:06 Speaker 2: When was retirement starting to come into the fold. 01:31:08 Speaker 3: End of that twenty nineteen season, because you just like clip a guy and you're like, dang, like like I don't It wasn't like you know, you should just go smack dudes, yeah and have no issues. I would go hit a guy. I'm like, I didn't really feel great. And so then once you make the decision in your mind, like you know, I'm not all the way in it once, like mentally, were. 01:31:32 Speaker 2: You starting to think about it a lot into that nineteen Yeah. 01:31:35 Speaker 3: Like the like the last like the last game of the year, I was like, I'm done. I'm done. 01:31:40 Speaker 2: So that's when you made your decisions that last year. 01:31:42 Speaker 3: After so it was week it's week sixteen, so obviously week seventeen's last week. Week sixteen. I remember being like, yeah, probably done. 01:31:53 Speaker 1: So really was there a process of like talking to anybody or was feeling I. 01:31:56 Speaker 3: Just remember after that game, like I was like, yeah, you don't. You don't got it anymore, like you just you don't. You don't like you don't have it. 01:32:04 Speaker 2: What's your you don't have it? Because I'm right now. 01:32:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, you can't play. I would have been fine if like I physically slowed down, like can't run as well, like not as fast, maybe I'm not as physical, maybe like I don't have the same like fire. I would have been fine with that, and I would have like kind of just probably milked it out a little bit more like yeah, I love playing. But once I knew it was my head and I'm like like mentally, I'm like, dude, it's either yes or no, Like if you slow down, you can like physically you can still play football hard and like play fast and play with great effort. But once I knew in my head mentally, like it's not any of that it's like your head stuff now, you can't you can't in your brain. In my brain, I couldn't rationalize, like I can't play as hard as I want to. My effort's not going to be there. I can't be as physic cool. And once I knew that, I'm like, man, it's not fair to the guys in the team, and it's not fair to the coaches, and it's not fair to like the fans and myself and my family for me to go out there at like mentally seventy five percent. Like if I got to thump a guard and push a guy back to Chack to make a play and I'm like yeah, and like I get widened and then and then the shot the tackles really hard on Shack, Like that's not fair to Shack for me to like, no, especially mentally, I know the reason why I'm not stuffing that guy. Once I knew that, I was like okay versus like I'm you know, Sam still playing right now and I'm thirty three years old and I go to stuff a guard and like that dude's twenty five years old and he just mauls me. Like I'm like, I mean, I did everything right I tried hard. I prepared in the off season, like I gave it everything I had. That guy's just a young dude and you just beat me versus like in my head, I'm like I didn't take him on is like I didn't hit him how I should have? Like I'm not with that, Like I couldn't. I couldn't do that. Yeah, it's knowing that your effort wasn't my effort wasn't there, and like that's not fair to like the guys in the team. So I was like, all right in. 01:34:14 Speaker 2: Yourself too, like you have to stand in your head of how you play the game and how you want to play the game, and you know, like not that you're half assing, but if you're thinking about that trying to smash a guard and you're like, I didn't do this because of X, Y and Z, in my mind. 01:34:26 Speaker 3: It's just not fair to any Yeah. 01:34:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. So I love that you're sweating on the bus with the. 01:34:32 Speaker 1: Yeah this is like this outside. Yeah, well we've had it as we actually started a gravel parking lot. 01:34:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the middle of May. 01:34:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's it's it's so impressive to me because like when I talk to you. When I listen to you talk like this motherfucker loves ball, you could just tell he's not just about himself. 01:34:49 Speaker 3: He's about the team. 01:34:49 Speaker 1: He's about everybody, everybody else's job. And I can I can feel that from you. And then you sit there and say week sixteen, I knew I was done and that was it. Yeah, it's what was that transition like for you? Because now you're going from a guy that I have no doubt was one hundred percent in on football his entire life. Oh yeah, to now your. 01:35:09 Speaker 3: White glove service bus brand. 01:35:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're one hundred percent in. And now you're waking up in the fall. Yeah, and it's like, Okay, you wake up in August and I know your feeling. We've done it for a few years now. It's like you wake up in August and you're like it's fucking great. Like there's a policeivie that's like all right, Like I know all them boys fifteen minutes out of room of my house are dying right now, and I just woke over my kids, you know, have a little breakfast with them. There's so many positives, But then there's no Sundays where you sit there and it's like two thirty and the noonslate's ending and you see your team catching a big win and it's like, fuck, I missed with that locker room is gonna feel like when they go back in there. 01:35:45 Speaker 3: Yeah. So my first year out, I worked with the team in the scouting department, so that was cool. And then on game days I was in the booth with the offense and I was the personnel guy, so like the they'd come out and I'd be in charge of like are they nick or they and base? What kind of base are they in? All that kind of stuff. So that was hell, Yeah, we get we did upgrade and we're going from paper towels to pre towels. It's great. I felt like a little air coming into. 01:36:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about your concussions. 01:36:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, I sweat my ass off. So it was cool. I got to be at the games on Sundays, and the first year was the first year was like damn man, like I still think I can play, and so that part was hard. And then the further way you get from it, you're like like I do the radio with the team. Now I do the radio broadcast and I go on the field before the game, and you see these guys run by you and you're like, I'm good, all set, I'm good man, appreciate you. Like Tristan works, he comes running by and you're like, I'm all good. 01:36:47 Speaker 1: There was a video two days ago on Instagram of him squatting five plates for like three or four reps with ease. 01:36:52 Speaker 3: He's like the nicest guy in the world. 01:36:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great human. Iowa cat Like, he's just a great dude. He just he is the athletic ability of a linebacker. Yeah, squad seven hundred pounds whan We were. 01:37:02 Speaker 2: Fieling that a couple of years ago when we were at the that Arizona BWLE And you're just seeing the guys kind of warm up in practice and pop the pads a little bit beforehand, and you're just sitting there thinking like. 01:37:11 Speaker 1: What the fuck it comes? Like, Yo, what psychopath would do this? 01:37:14 Speaker 2: Yeah? 01:37:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, because once you get out of it, like you get soft quick. 01:37:18 Speaker 3: You want to be the guy that's like on the team, but they put you on season ending I ar, so you're like you get to show up like you kind of have a job, but like you don't have to play. You can still travel your stress. The stress you like walk out to practice, you drink some coffee. But you're on the team, so like your way of life is like socially acceptable versus like if you get done, you're like I can't just like go hang out in the locker room and like lift, Like you can't do that. 01:37:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like here comes this pro scout Louke. 01:37:47 Speaker 3: Yeah you just want Yeah, you're like the arter places, right, you got to go bring a guy upstairs and get cut, Like yeah, that year, did you ever have to do that? Brought one guy up? Yeah? 01:37:57 Speaker 2: Talk about the year being in the pro scouting I'll tell. 01:37:59 Speaker 3: You what you learn a lot about the NFL, like what plays, types of guys in the NFL. Like you learn a ton and it was super cool. Like I learned a lot and it was super beneficial, but it wasn't something I wanted to do long term. But like you really get to see like what play, like the difference between personnel and a three four versus personnel and a four to three, Like body types like length, what guys are looking for, what plays, what doesn't play? Types of running backs, Like you don't have a feel for that while you're playing, because all you do is studying an opponent. You're not studying like you know, height, weight, speed, size, how they play, what kind of football player they are, And you learn like the whole league by doing that. Because we did, we had to watch all the free agents for that season going into the next year. So then like now moving forward, like you watch a guy and you're like, like, we watched that guy for twenty five minutes and graded him and wrote a report on him, and like it's it was really cool. 01:38:56 Speaker 2: So was it like cutting? 01:38:58 Speaker 1: I just remember going up there is his name, probably was a linebacker. 01:39:05 Speaker 3: I remember it was a corner, and I remember just walking up there, and I remember I walked into the GM's office and I'm like, hey, look like I'm down to do a lot of things, Like I kind of don't want to do that. Like after after the fact that, yeah, I was like, guys, like I'd rather just like not do that. I feel bad. I'm like, I know how hard it is to play and like and make the roster and feel like you're on the roster and then get cut, Like you see all your buddies do that throughout your whole career, and you're like, man, like I'd rather not be that guy that has to do that and they're like they're like, yeah, sorry, we don't have to do that anymore. Like cool, Like damn, you know you. 01:39:39 Speaker 1: Got pulling the gym apologize to. 01:39:42 Speaker 2: Luke's a grim Reaper? 01:39:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that guy. You don't want to be that guy because you know, you're you're standing at the door waiting for them to come in from practice and everyone's. 01:39:49 Speaker 2: Like Luke, what's up. 01:39:51 Speaker 3: Man? You're like, hey, can I talk to you? 01:39:53 Speaker 1: And they're like dang yeah and one year removed, Yeah, like eighty percent of that roster knows you as a teammate. 01:40:01 Speaker 3: So I got up. I got up there and they're like we're sorry, Like it's cool, I just rather not do that again. Yeah. 01:40:06 Speaker 2: Was this a guy that was on the team the year before, we know. 01:40:08 Speaker 3: But he was a dude. That's like he was like a dude, like a dude in the league for a while. 01:40:13 Speaker 1: Oh so and when he when he says something to him, was there any like common like, man, you're the grim Reaper? 01:40:19 Speaker 2: No? 01:40:19 Speaker 3: I think he I think he probably knew it was coming, but it doesn't make it any easier. 01:40:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's he was a vet. He understood the game. 01:40:25 Speaker 3: He's been in the league for a long time and like it was a dude. 01:40:28 Speaker 2: So I think he's probably like Luke's trying to study on how to cut guys. He's just throwing on moneyball. 01:40:36 Speaker 1: I mean, did that's at any point during that season of you being a scout or doing whatever you were doing. Did they have a reproaching and be like, hey, could you play a couple more games for us? 01:40:46 Speaker 3: They always joked about it, but I was like, guys, like, you know how quickly you tighten up like qua. 01:40:55 Speaker 2: Low back. 01:40:57 Speaker 3: You know those videos the guy's like running and looks like they get shot. Yeah, that would have been me, Like first time they run, you know, a seam ball, I got chase the guy in the middle of field. 01:41:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know the first game, the first game that Michael Linebacker didn't have a great one and someone made a joke to you, if you would have been like, yeah, I'd give it another Like are you for real? 01:41:17 Speaker 3: My injury waiver would have been like this long? 01:41:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, huge, I mean that paycheck though it. 01:41:23 Speaker 3: Would have been a league minimum. 01:41:24 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, you pull that hamstring, I are the rest of the season. Yeah, that would have been nice, bro. 01:41:34 Speaker 2: Thanks, he's on the team still that guy there? 01:41:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that would suck. 01:41:40 Speaker 2: To be Now, did you were you in a point too mentally to where you're you're juggling or trying to figure out what you're wanting to do long term, like how's everything checking him? Now? You mentioned your youth football coach with with Greg goals and shout out the boy Greg you do radio stuff. Was there a moment to where you're like, man, I kind of don't I have no clue what I want to do, and I'm kind of chasing some. 01:42:00 Speaker 3: I think you Yeah, I think there's you don't know what you want to do. Obviously, like you get done and like like perfect world, I would I would have loved to have kept playing, So like I probably happened earlier than I wanted it to. And so then the process becomes like you have to just continually try stuff until you find stuff that you like, and then once you like it, then just keep doing it. And then if you don't like it, then you stop doing it. But like you have to, there needs to be a concerted effort too. If you're gonna go do something like you gotta go all the way in because if you tiptoe around it, you're not gonna get the full experience. You're gonna waste your time. More importantly, you're you're using somebody else's time too, Like if somebody's gonna help you try to dive into something and you and you don't go all the way and you're wasting their time. So it's like, all right, I'm gonna go all the way in on a couple of things. I'm gonna try certain things out. I tried scouting, just wasn't my thing. It was fun, it's just like I'm not doing this long term. And then the hours are crazy too. Yeah, just busy. Then the next year I did the radio with the Panthers radio broadcast, Like that's awesome, Like I really like that. So that's pretty much the whole season, and then the youth football stuff with Greg So. His son Tate's in that picture and that's his dad Chris. His dad Chris coached high school football in Jersey and just look him up. They didn't lose a game for like five years in a row. 01:43:18 Speaker 2: Him. 01:43:19 Speaker 3: Look him up. Just look him up. So we've been doing that for this will be our fourth year. So it's been awesome, Like we have a ton of fun with it. We coach at a a school in Charlotte. Charlotte Christian is the school. Check us out, okay, And this is our first year coaching at Charlotte Cristian was last year because Tate, Greg's oldest was in seventh grade, so we did coach Pop Warner for two years and then Tate got in the seventh grade. So then we coached at the grade school which is attached to the high school, and then we'll coach again at the high school this year. 01:43:50 Speaker 2: So what happens to the current staff, that's. 01:43:52 Speaker 3: Like, you know, so they kind of bounce back kind. 01:43:54 Speaker 2: Of like hey, Greg Als and Luke Keickley, they're coming in. 01:43:56 Speaker 3: So it's awesome. So it's really we got a new staff. Yeah, yeah, right. The two guys that like make it run it are Greg and his dad, Like they're phenomenal, and then the other we got two or two or three other guys. Three other guys, so it's Stu. Jonathan Stewart coaches the running backs, which has been phenomenal, just a crazy and then Todd Blacklicche so Todd Blackler's quarterback at Penn State National Championship one was a first round pick. Now does NBC. I think it's NBC College with Noah Eagle, Iron Eagle son, so that he does. He does college football on Saturday, big, big, big game. So he did All have State Oregon last year. He's like, he's a little bit and he lives in and he lives in Charlotte. So it's so much fun because I mean, Greg and Stu are like some of my best buds when we were playing, so I get to hang out with them. Greg's dad's awesome, Todd's great, and we just have a ton of fun with it. 01:44:49 Speaker 2: Would you ever want to call games like Greg does? 01:44:53 Speaker 3: Does rap right? The I think so the radio. The interesting thing about radio and TV, so radio you really just talk about like what's happening in the game and like why it's happening. What I think is cool about TV is like Greg does a phenomenal job of like setting games up, and like what I mean by setting it up is like talking about what he anticipates going to happen in the game, why it's gonna happen, what you know, say, it'd be like if say Tristan Wurfs has missed the last couple weeks and he's back in the lineup. Greg will talk about, you know, Tristan Worf's is back in the lineup, this is how it affects him in the run game, in the past game. This is where Tristan Worf's is really good in the run game. So maybe they're gonna bubble up. Like Greg does it way better than that. But you can really lay out a game doing TV because you don't have to explain what's happening every play because the viewer can watch the game and Greg is able to set it up early in the game and then really talk through situational stuff and get into, you know, really why things are happening and why why it worked, why it didn't. He does a great job with that, and I think that part would be really cool. But I just have a ton of fun with the radio stuff, and like I told you guys, like I just try to do things that I enjoy, and I enjoy the radio. I think the TV would be really would be really fun as well. So I just kind of see what happens. 01:46:11 Speaker 2: You ever you got out to uh Buffalo, Yeah for some uh for some coaching. Do you ever see yourself coaching in the league one day, or trying to coach at a high level. 01:46:20 Speaker 3: Like I think it'd be a ton of fun. It's just those hours, Like. 01:46:22 Speaker 2: Bro, they're nuts. It's it's it's like take what players do when they're studying all week long and yeah coaches, man, it's it's like around the clock. 01:46:30 Speaker 3: It's just all the time. And like, I'm just not ready to give up that much time. So I mean answer probably not. 01:46:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, the hours are crazy. I don't I mean you the boy might. There's like an itch, there's an itch in there. 01:46:44 Speaker 1: It's somewhere. 01:46:44 Speaker 3: I don't know if it'll ever bet A lot about doing is doing it during OTAs. Yeah, So get out there and OTAs and like and be like, hey, these next six weeks, like I'm in, like every day, I'm in whenever you guys are, and just do it and then you'll know by the end of that of like yes or no. 01:47:02 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:47:02 Speaker 1: But OTAs is such a different vibe than camp and season. Ots is so light. The coaches are feel good. Everyone's kind of joking around. The minute you walk into the building July twenty fifth or whenever that you know, everyone goes into camp. Buttles are tight. 01:47:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, not only that, but if you get behind the A ball in the season, Yeah, yeah, you start off you know two and. 01:47:20 Speaker 1: Two, one in three people just pissed off. You're trying to navigate bad attitudes everywhere. It's difficult. That's like one thing you don't miss is like the bipolar nests of coaches and teammates. 01:47:31 Speaker 3: And it's like you miss like that, like not stressed, but like that pressure of like we gotta go, like we. 01:47:38 Speaker 1: Gotta yeah, it's a big one right here. 01:47:40 Speaker 3: Like we got to go make this like this is a big game. This is for a lot of reasons, Like you miss that, like the urgency, that urgency, the pressure. 01:47:47 Speaker 1: Those week like Week fourteen on when your team's like on the bubble, like are we going to make the playoffs? 01:47:51 Speaker 2: Are we not? 01:47:52 Speaker 1: What do we control in our destiny? What teams have to lose? And it's like you're kind of with your little whether it's a linebacker group or meet with the offensive Linement's like we got to do X, Y and Z to make a wild card can happen for us. 01:48:02 Speaker 3: That's why you play the Band of Brothers in December, like you want to be you want to you want your season. The matter in December, Yeah, you know what I mean. You obviously want it to matter in like September, October, November, but like if it comes December and you're like, hey, like you're in the un we're. 01:48:17 Speaker 1: In the mix, and then anything can happen. 01:48:19 Speaker 2: In January, it didn't even matter, Like you're in the mix. 01:48:22 Speaker 3: Like you're in the mix, that's all that matters. And now you got to just go play your best ball. It's that's the best. 01:48:27 Speaker 1: Part of that is the worst feeling in the world is December and nothing matters, and you're like, you hear the older guys in my first two years, we won five games my first two years, and I'm hearing older guys talk about Cabo and all these things are going to go on, and you're just still so involved, like you think every game still matters. What's going on here, guys? Feeling? Yeah, way exactly. 01:48:47 Speaker 2: Play for the name on your back now, Yeah, anything. 01:48:51 Speaker 3: To find out somewhere. Yeah, you. 01:48:54 Speaker 2: Get those coaches the way you know, might they might be on the outs where they just start giving the play for the name on your back, whatever you play for whether and you just know, way, we're all in December and we're anybody. Yeah, well it's the name on your front, your family at home, maybe the cash of the bake account, name on your back. 01:49:14 Speaker 3: Let that heart turn black when you walk out there. Oh man, you gotta find it though. 01:49:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this has been awesome. 01:49:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, it has. I was just gonna ask if you have any hobbies outside of football. 01:49:26 Speaker 3: I love so. I love the bow hunt. Really, that's my favorite thing. I get a little josh. 01:49:30 Speaker 2: You guys are out there get real hunter with na Yeah, dude, he's a real man too. They'd have you out there, and you know. 01:49:38 Speaker 3: I love That's that's another reason I want to coach. I love to bow hunt, Yeah, white tail, elk, anything with the bow that's like my jam you. 01:49:46 Speaker 2: I'm assuming you go out there to Montana, So yeah, I love. 01:49:50 Speaker 3: To hunt elk in Montana. And then New Mexico is a really good state too. 01:49:53 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, since we're on the airways right now, Garrett cal Rinella, whoever's listening for Meat Eater. 01:49:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, get your get your. They got a great concept there is. I hope he has had fun. 01:50:04 Speaker 1: There's so much fun. 01:50:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, because but it was a last yeah. 01:50:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's part of but you pulled the trigger I did. A lot of guys would stiffen up and I even pull that trip. So you did something that at the moment up I know. And it's fun too because Will and I we don't. I look in your eyes and you talk about bow hunting and I just don't. 01:50:21 Speaker 3: I don't have that. 01:50:22 Speaker 1: But to go out with them and then like work us through like long range rifle streaming. I went and sat down and I went one for five on my first five shots, and I was like, this is going to be the longest couple of days of my life. But then Garrett starts sitting there working with me, and he's like try this is and this He's lining me up. They're great coaches. They don't make you feel stupid even though they're like such bigger, better men than you are. It's just awesome, man. 01:50:43 Speaker 3: It's like those these animals live in beautiful areas. Yeah, you go hunt elk, You're gonna be somewhere sweet. Yeah, the mountains. The weather's beautiful, it's in the fall, and it's just that's like my favorite time of year. And they go do that stuff. It's just sweet. 01:50:57 Speaker 2: What's been your longest like l hunt to where you're you're tracking it down. We did so climbing mountains. 01:51:03 Speaker 3: No, I usually we hunt out of like an outfitter, and it's usually I haven't done like the full like nine miles ten miles in on a horse and then you set up spike camp. I haven't done that. I like that. I'm gonna wake up. I'm gonna wake up early in the morning. I'm gonna be out all day and then yeah, and I'm gonna probably come home. Yes. Is there we do we have that? 01:51:26 Speaker 4: You don't have to read that, you can just read them. 01:51:28 Speaker 2: Okay, perfect. We do have a bud light question for you. 01:51:30 Speaker 3: Okay, people would do. 01:51:32 Speaker 2: Anything for a bud light. What would you do anything for? Oh? 01:51:37 Speaker 3: My probably my parents. I think my parents. Yeah. 01:51:40 Speaker 2: I mean that's about wholesome. 01:51:42 Speaker 3: Like you think about your parents and like what your parents have done for you everything from growing up to high school to college. At all my games in college, it came to down to Carolina, it's like your parents. My parents were fantastic. They set you up for everything. Everything was about my brothers and I and so, yeah, you do anything for they do anything for you. You do anything for them. I love the short answers. 01:52:03 Speaker 1: Yes, that's a good heart, awesome, beautiful my parents. 01:52:08 Speaker 3: How many brothers you have? I got two brothers. So there's a picture older brothers on the right. That's John, he lives in Cincinnati. There's my dad, my mom, and then my younger brother Henry. Were they some dogs? 01:52:19 Speaker 2: Uh? 01:52:20 Speaker 3: John played football on lacrosse through high school and then Henry was a basketball player. Okay, so yeah, I love that. Yeah do you? 01:52:29 Speaker 2: I'm sure you have who's that that profile that has the Luke Keithley video where he's going, where he's going. 01:52:36 Speaker 1: Who's next? 01:52:37 Speaker 2: Oh? 01:52:37 Speaker 3: That somebody said me, that is awesome. That that guy Who's next? 01:52:42 Speaker 1: Danny or something like that. He's all time. 01:52:45 Speaker 3: That guy's hilarious. Yeah he is. 01:52:47 Speaker 2: Paul. Anything that we've missed, we do have Paul Swans sending the back with the boys right now, grinding it out. Paul was very pivotal in getting the boys in a Creatine and an Intangibles group chat with Luke myself. 01:52:59 Speaker 4: We got creating on the bus right now. Can we can we take have some of my suitcase? We can take them later on when we get done here. 01:53:07 Speaker 3: Just put some. 01:53:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's some going boys not the real creat team. Yeah, anything that I've missed with Luke, I mean, this is this is the all American man right here, and that answer right there, I mean that's just that's gold the parents. 01:53:22 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:53:24 Speaker 4: I actually just got done hearing him talk about most of this when we were talking to coach Lee over at Vanderbilt. 01:53:30 Speaker 2: So he's been talking about it a lot to just diving in. Yeah, he's breaking down all the players too, how to watch film, how to break down film. 01:53:38 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what that the diego Pavia. He's got it like it. 01:53:45 Speaker 1: He's a savage. 01:53:46 Speaker 3: What do you love about him? He's like he walks into a room and he's the dude without trying to be the dude. And he can talk to everybody. He can talk to the offensive coaches, defensive coaches. He understands, he's got football. IQ is great, ultra competitive. He's just he's that dude, like he's got it. You know what I'm saying. 01:54:05 Speaker 2: You can tell Luke's got his uh his pro scouting background too, so he can talk about these. 01:54:12 Speaker 3: Snap Yeah, if guys come talk to him, they'll be like, we need to find a way to get this guy around us. 01:54:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he is. 01:54:20 Speaker 2: He is electric. 01:54:21 Speaker 3: He's a football dude, football guy. 01:54:23 Speaker 2: He just loves ball. 01:54:24 Speaker 3: He loves the game, He embraces it's that's all. He knows all about football. And you know those guys, they're hard to come by, you know, you still I was gonna say to have it when he first came. Oh my gosh, that dude was born with it. That he is. Talk about a guy that loves football and all he wants to do is just be a good teammate, play hard. Christian the O, g Incredible White, He's. 01:54:50 Speaker 4: All the first ballot Hall of Fame. 01:54:52 Speaker 3: You talk about a guy. 01:54:53 Speaker 1: I have a tough photo for CMC though. I mean, he's a built cat. 01:54:59 Speaker 3: That is a ton a bad angle. But yeah, I'm so excited for him this year. Come back, rip you. 01:55:05 Speaker 2: Gonna be a daddy too, Yes, shout out him. 01:55:09 Speaker 3: Have a great year. 01:55:10 Speaker 4: So hey, i'd be I'd be remiss to say, you know, listening to Luke his art, listening to his football knowledge, but your ball knowledge is it's phenomenal. 01:55:20 Speaker 2: I appreciate I got I do probe myself on some i Q some good. You might not think I played in the league a long time, but from that I was the neck you nine years, nine years. I was there for the tenth year. 01:55:33 Speaker 3: But you know the lead get a credited season, No, because I had. 01:55:36 Speaker 2: A gambling show, so they wouldn't let me play. 01:55:41 Speaker 1: Did you ever come across Will Compton film at linebacker, never take anything from his game? 01:55:45 Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, for toughness instincts, try hard, try hard, collar guy. 01:55:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's it's those plays you break down? 01:55:53 Speaker 3: I don't like that's that's that's that shirt you have on. 01:55:56 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's uh hearing you too talk about plays happening that you don't necessarily make, like being mugged up in the eight gaps. They got you in a bunch, they're checking Tulsa, putting you in a toss situation, any type of situational ball awareness. It's uh, it's music to my ears. 01:56:13 Speaker 3: Yeah right, we'll get you. 01:56:14 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. 01:56:14 Speaker 3: We'll get you that year ten. 01:56:15 Speaker 4: If you want to come pit some race cars. 01:56:18 Speaker 2: That seems like a different life too, So I have to be just you can. 01:56:22 Speaker 3: Do I think you can do it. 01:56:23 Speaker 2: Let me play. 01:56:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll let you play. 01:56:25 Speaker 2: I was down there to sign and rip there to sign, and contract wouldn't go through because They're like, let's hold up the NFL. 01:56:32 Speaker 1: Good shut it down? 01:56:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, Goodell shut it down. 01:56:34 Speaker 3: Dang when's good? 01:56:37 Speaker 4: When's Goodell gonna come on the bus? 01:56:40 Speaker 2: I don't know he's got an open invite. Does he can apologize the will for Yeah? 01:56:45 Speaker 4: Scrapping your ten? 01:56:47 Speaker 3: You had a good You had a good number two five to one. 01:56:50 Speaker 4: It's a great white linebacker. 01:56:52 Speaker 3: That's Sam Mill's number. That number wasn't available. 01:56:54 Speaker 2: You see that pick right there, Keller Moore seventeen coverage, We'll coverage you in. You were in Tampa there and we had somebody dropping low hole because we knew he was going to try to work wit and over the middle. Kellamore airmails it the bread basket. 01:57:08 Speaker 3: But hey, you know what you had the hardest thing about the interception is gotta catch it, buddy. 01:57:12 Speaker 2: That was that was my first one. And when that bowl was in the air, it's something I could make the play on it. I was like, you better catch it. I kind of just put the hands out there too, and was just so high. 01:57:26 Speaker 1: Glo gloves, sticky gloves or those offensive line gloves. What's up those gloves you're wearing right there? Those stickies? 01:57:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't. We don't wear offensive line gloves. You never know. 01:57:37 Speaker 2: I can never get on board with the Keekley risk with the wrist braces though. 01:57:42 Speaker 1: Risk cards were money. 01:57:43 Speaker 4: Were you a risk taper? It's a little swag here, Yeah, it's a little bit. 01:57:48 Speaker 2: You brought out Jonathan Steward or earlier too. I did put him on skates in our game. Why there's leg game we're getting you put him on skates. Oh, I murdered him coming through the A gap. Got yeah, and I put him on skates, joked him out, put him on skates, like, put him in the air, put his late in the game. We're getting our backs blown out by the Panthers. But your boy, we're still playing for pride at the end of the day. 01:58:11 Speaker 3: Out there. 01:58:12 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, the heart was black in that play. Ran right through the B gap, right through the gap and just murdered. 01:58:18 Speaker 4: You gonna want to rematch After listening to this line up, I. 01:58:21 Speaker 2: Don't got it anymore. But find that clip. 01:58:24 Speaker 3: I will show you, guys. 01:58:26 Speaker 2: I'm sure wet. But hey, look, this has been awesome. Thanks for having me on, Thank you for coming on a long time coming. 01:58:34 Speaker 1: This is big for will Cup. This's be for myself as well. Love to see you two together. 01:58:38 Speaker 2: It's just great to get a Hall of Fame white linebacker. Just we've had our lacker on. Yeah, dude, would love to get ready. 01:58:47 Speaker 1: You gotta just process out the white line. 01:58:50 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, just the linebacker appreciation that we have on this bus. You gotta get on here. 01:58:56 Speaker 4: There's no better position. 01:58:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had Fred Warner on that. 01:59:00 Speaker 3: That dude is a monster. Yes, you should get ro Quan pro monster. 01:59:06 Speaker 2: Who are some of the guys right now? You just named a couple Roquan, Fred Warner, Ah Man, you got Lavonte is still doing it, Bobby. 01:59:15 Speaker 3: Now you put me on the spot here and the Mario Davis has been doing it a long time. Yeah. 01:59:22 Speaker 2: Zach Bond and him going to from transition from on the ball to off the ball, I feel like is a is a heady transition for. 01:59:31 Speaker 3: For Zach Bond. You know who I like? Nick Bolton, Yes, bro, he. 01:59:35 Speaker 2: Just resigned with the Chiefs, So I like splain just to Bobby Gap he just signed with the brave guy of Brabes. Guy. 01:59:50 Speaker 1: I would love Bobby Ye can explain for sure his his third and one stop on Derrick Henry twenty twenty on the goal line on the map. 01:59:59 Speaker 4: How about Cooper jeans stick on hen Wow, yeah, great four it was it was, It was nice book. 02:00:08 Speaker 2: I would produce some corners. 02:00:12 Speaker 1: If you could go anywhere else besides Boston College, if you if this is all gonna end the same exact way, you couldn't go to Boston College, where would you go? 02:00:18 Speaker 3: Probably probably big ten school? 02:00:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, which one would that be? 02:00:21 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, would have been fun Nor? I mean, I'm not I might say Michigan. I'm not going to say O High State. Those are the two easy ones. I feel like playing that playing linebacker at Penn State. 02:00:34 Speaker 2: Yea with like a like a sick sick cowboys sticking out. 02:00:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, plus Leslie LeVar Arrington and the Parsons they got the kid now Abdual Carter. 02:00:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, they had some freaks there. Yeah, you could have wore a black shirt. 02:00:54 Speaker 3: Yeah? 02:00:55 Speaker 2: Is that? How is that? 02:00:56 Speaker 3: Holmet? The game news back there? No is that in the brass got a nice one. 02:01:01 Speaker 2: Just reps the classic, the classic game. Luke knows we stopped the mudhole in their ass for what was it? What? Stripe Bowl? Stripe Bowl he's waited the whole podcast to say, yeah, just. 02:01:18 Speaker 1: Waiting, and he tried to pretend like he didn't know the name of it. 02:01:26 Speaker 3: They said that they put that on the board up there. Yeah, yeah, because I. 02:01:31 Speaker 2: Waited to uh, I waited until we were up to hit the group chat to talk ship. 02:01:35 Speaker 3: Yeah it's all right. 02:01:37 Speaker 1: Well, you like Bill O'Brien, like him a lot. Yeah, A big fan of him. 02:01:40 Speaker 3: Just he is Boston College football, tough, physical run of football. He's greatly He did a great job last year. I'm excited for for this year for him. 02:01:50 Speaker 2: So all right, okay, yeah, I see we got a standing round of applause for hats all. 02:01:58 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, yeah, thanks for turning. 02:02:04 Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for turning to the airkind yees we're waiting for you to go 02:02:17 Speaker 1: Hmm

Best of the Bus: Hall Of Famer Luke Kuechly Opens Up About Why He Walked Away From Football

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