Friday the 13th with Jen Saunderson

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We should let's promise, let's make a pinky swear right now to never do an episode about the Pollar. My promise to you it will never do The Uncanny Valley the movie. Yeah, totally. How are you? Oh boy, I'm Caitlin. By the way, I'm Jamie. This is our podcast about the Polar Express. Yes, really take exclusively. It used to be about the portrayal of women in movies inspired by the Bechtel test, but now it's just about we were able to resolve all those problems about the movies. It's no longer an issue. Did a great job. It fixed it, so really tightened the trip where the choo choo, as it were, It really tightened up the choo Choo train. And now we're free to talk about what we wanted to talk about the whole time, which is gender politics on the polar experience. There's gotta be If that essay doesn't exist, I will write it. Yeah, please, Yeah. What was the role of women on the pullars? I don't remember. I remember there was a scary looking little girl. I didn't see a little scary looking little boy. I only I read the book as a kid, but I've never seen the movie. It's basically a horror movie. Means like, it's the scariest movie ever. Take a great transition into we're not at all. Good job on purpose. I haven't slept in like two days. Um, I have brag. Okay, let's introduce our guests, choo Choo. Let's do it. I guess she's The host of the filling is mutual on I f C and she's a comedian Jen Sanderson. Hello, Hi, welcome, thanks for being here, Thanks for having me. I was trying not to crack up, like, don't ruin it. That is so much kinder than most of our guests I've ever done. We've been We've been yelled at mid intro before we've been around. Thanks for being considerate. That's what ladies do. What a horrible stereotype. Don't let's start a podcast about that. Not all men yell. So we're talking about Friday the thirteen, the first one from nineteen eighty. I wasn't sure if I could do it, but it's actually very easy to do easier. Um, Jen, when did you first see the movie? What's your history and your relationship with the movie. I must have seen this movie probably like junior year of high school. There was a group of friends, um that I had that That's all we did was watch horror movies for a whole summer. Because you're a big horror fam I love horror movies. That's that's why we're here today. She just come on, I hate horror movies. I'm really glad I get this platform. It's horrible. We should all watch The Hour of Power with Dr Robert Schuler. Okay, what's that? Don't church basically like around San Diego? Oh my god, Like it's in California somewhere I used to watch as a kid. Don't do that. Let's watch Yeah, let's talk about horror movies instead. So you've been in a horror movies your whole life, well, I would say, I would say going into high school, I was a bit of a whimp as a Like the first time I ever saw a Radar movie was Predator, and I got so scared and to leave the room. I want to get away from my family, to go to the bathroom, to take a shower for the night. I was so scared that Predator was going to come and get me. And then I was super scared of Bloody Mary, Like I still don't watch candy Man. And I've said those names once and that's it there. I am also afraid of her. I'm afraid of my own I thought you're talking about the movie her, and I was like, pants are scary there? Good outfit, good outfit on the poster. I forget that's the one where he kisses his phoney boring. That's the one where he tongues his he gets a little shock and his tongue because he sticks is anyways, So yeah, no, I I was, and I had never seen a movie with the b M character. I just heard about it second hand from my cousins. And there was like a night my my cousin, Tammy, lives in a three year old house, and it was yeah, and like legitimately a haunted house, like I keep believing that ship. But she also like the in the closet in her room there were these like claw mars because someone had been locked in there once and it was this this in Brockton, Massachusetts. It's like some New England spooky stuff, some like old school eighteen hundreds New England's Spookfest. So it was it was scary. We we would watch horror movies there and that really made me not like horror movies until I was in college, so I liked doing them. But then when I saw the Ring at that house, that sucked me up for like a full year. Did you see the original ring or did you see the Ring first? So I saw that I saw the ring with the that I and I saw the well once the well the like tomorrow well is like an hour outside of here in the said state college. Yeah, and I always like when I watch a horror movie to distance myself from where they are. I'm like, yeah, dairy, I'm never going to dairy where all the Stephen King moves books and movies are, right. Yeah, And then um when the Ring came out, was like son of a bitch because they filmed a lot of aerials from the island I grew up on and on would be island in Washington State. It was like, don't go there. No, that's a safe place. See. My my mom had a rule that we couldn't watch Stephen King movies when I was young because my grandma lived in the same town as Stephen King. And so she was like, you will hate vacation. If you see these movies, you may not see And so I still haven't seen a lot of them. Did you ever do the b ms to the mirror? Did you ever? My dad locked me in the or in the bathroom once and he did that to me. Yeah, because over you, I must have been eleven or ten. That is the worst time to do that. Yeah, Well he's not much older than me because he's my stepdad and my mom was really young, so like a big rather. It was just like you don't want to take a shower. Well, I'm just going to show you doesn't exist. And I'm here going why no no? Yeah, so that's a Horrif did anything happen, I'll go into the bathroom right now, Bloody Mary, Mary, with you tempting fake? This is how horror movie started. You were dead for no, I'm dying. I'm the final girl. You don't be I don't grow when you just when does the narget to the woods? That do? I do the curb cross the book. I'm sorry. What I did was as bad as you guys saying BM over. Okay, well you know what, that's just a safety precaution. I feel like we should take a break at Kate. Let's go downstairs and turn the lights off, and then we'll see what. Really I'll fight her she shows up, I'll punch her. She were natural. The thing is like, I don't know anything about her. I don't know what she's supposed to look like. I just know that she was coming for me. And then I was the youngest, so I was the one who had to do it. I was volunteered his tribute. I didn't like it. You're the Cadnus Everden b m so gent so be there. They're back to Friend of the Thirteen there. So there's like a bunch of them. Have you seen them all? I have not seen them all because I have better uses of my time and I want to watch other good horror movies. Because there's one where he goes to Manhattan. There's one where he goes to space. Yeah, the space, when I just can't, are you sure this isn't the Muppets? Frand so he goes into space because I watched a video of all of them because it's like, well, I'm I know we're going to talk about it. And he apparently merges with a cyborg or something and ant and just flickered. Oh it's bloody, Mary. Stop saying the b to the m the flesh. I can't here. You guys are talking about ships I'm talking about clearly is clearly code. It is clearly code. We're not being cute about it. It's a safety PC. It's it's based off of Mary, Queen of Scott's who got her head chopped off. That's what the that's what I figured it was maybe like a virgin Mary thing, but I don't know. She's she's horny and furious. Jamie, when did you first see Friday the thirteen today? Yeahs as is the answer to every every time? About three hours ago. I had never seen it either. I saw it for the first time a few days ago, and then I watched the first four I was like, oh, Jason four. Yeah, whoa Because I was like, oh, Jason four, he's forgot to be in his own movie. I better watch it until he shows up. Four movies. No, but you don't see him in his like iconic hockey mask until halfway through the third movie. He's hockey. I wasn't sure I was mixing because I was first. Are mixing him up with Freddie for a little while? Yeah, No, that's Freddy Who's Nightmare on Elm Street, right, And I have seen that one a couple of different times. I like that one a lot. And there is Freddy versus Jason right right right? Okay, so he's he's goalie mask hockey goalie. Yeah, he's a hockey goalie. I'm going to send you to a bathroom hockey hockey goalie. I'm going to start I'm a couple of hockey goalies are very I I have a great report with the hockey goalie. Thank you so much. Like not to brag, I had a favorite goalie when I was little. His name was Poopa. That was why he was my Boston Bruins. I don't know. I had a trading card of him, and I was like, now you'd say poop when everyone you guys are saying b M over and over again, so as we can say poop whenever we want. That's gonna also say bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, bloody Mary. Can you cannot do that? She's a dementoid. Let me do the reecondo saying that three times and then saying let's get back on track. I'm just going to bring up your scary childhood stuff, Candy Man. Will I said it twice. I'm not going to say the third time, but I will go to town on saying beetle Juice. Beetle Juice is literally out front from beetle Juices, literally out front icon beetle Juices. She constructed him. Check out our Beetle Juice episode coming out wild. OK, it's about what he piques up everyone. Well, not to spoil. He assaults every woman in the movie. You watched that movie and you're like, why was I allowed to watch this as a child. So Beetle Juice is like at there's a Beetle Juice mannequin at the front. There's been beetle Juices popping up right and left in my life. Recently, there was a Beetle Juice pop up bar in Manhattan that our guest on Beetle Juice went to because he was in such a beetle Juice mode. Single juice so many times you're sending already sending him away and he's like, do you think he no beal juice there? I used to watch that cartoon all the time, totally forgetting about the movie, forgot about the curtain. I mean it sounds like the cartoon Beetle Juice is a way more sympathetic. Yeah, he's a lot more chill because it was a Saturday morning cartoon. He was like, Hey, LOODI I'm gonna I'm gonna marry you and knock you up. He wasn't like that. It was just, um, your friend, I'm helping you at school. All female reboot of Beetlejuice feminist icon. Hey, let me do that recap, which which Beetle Just do you want to watch real Beetle Juice or Girl Girl Beetle Juice. Girl girlbly Juice is going to be a really landmark role for someone. Do you think Girl Bele Juice would wear like juicy couture, like juicy but pants? Oh god, there'd have to be some sort of I don't know. I I'm on board for that. Yeah, Girl Beetlejuice, Lady Beetlejuice would wear. Woman Woman Beetle Juice w w B would definitely wear a striped jumpsuit with suspenders. But don't skimp on the scabs when we're making our all famom, I want just as many scams back into the scab discussion. Okay, I'm gonna do the recap to Friday the thirteen next week for scab. So Friday the thirteen is about this group of mostly teens who are counselors at a camp. Are they supposed to be teens? I think? Because teens? And then the one guy who's always just topless trying to fix up this camp. What's a very weird topless? Like I wrote down Creative male toplessness in this movie. So that's topless but suspenders. Yeah, that was uncomfortable. Anyways, they all arrive at this camp camp what is it called, Camp Crystal Lake? Camp? Crystal Lake Camp Crystal Light a white strawberry lemonade camp sponsored camps like a NASCAR race totally. So they show up to this camp that everyone in town is like, oh, Camp Blood, what are you doing that for? What do you open that backup? Which, let's be honest, very uncreative name for camp where someone died once, right, Which is crazy is that the original name was supposed to be A Long Night at Camp Blood was the original name of the title of the movie. Oh god, that's way more b movie than Yeah. Interesting. So they show up to this camp and everyone's like, oh, it's spooky. There's a crazy guy in town named Ralph. And they're like people die there, and everyone's like, oh, he was fun. He was a fun guy. And then people art to die, people start to get murdered. We're like, who's doing this? We don't know, and one by one, first it's Bacon bag Baby, Kevin Bacon. Oh, just for everyone keeping score Bacon hot in this movie. Bacon hot, so hot that I didn't bacon on the grill, because do you put bacon on a grill? You don't tape a Sorry, I don't know. It's like a skillet. You can do it. Everyone, You're you're a You're a grown ass female beetle juice. You can do what ever you want whatever. I'm a grown beetle juice. W w B. So Annie, Marcy, Brenda Alice are the ladies in the movie, and uh Annie dies first, she's she doesn't need it to meet the other kids. She I honestly did not miss her one bit, like she was a bit obnoxious. I was excited that she was killed off pretty early because there was this was my dream you guys, cam kunselor. I was like, grow up, how old are you? Then she like her first scene she like is like, dude, dude, to do let me ask a dog a question was like fuck you English, Hey, do you know where it camp? Blood is? No? Okay? And then I thought of the room, Bye bye, doggie, Doggie. Can we just address the fact that there's a creepy man saying, hey, are all the counselors? Is pretty easy and he touches her, touches her like dude, warning stranger, danger, get out of there. She Annie was not raised. Well, she's a very naive. There's an old man hoisting her via her ass into his pickup truck and she's like, so what about camp. It's like, yikes, Annie, not to victim blame, but you are ignoring a lot of red flags. And she speaking of red flags. If you're gonna run in the woods because you're scared of somebody, take off the red hoodie. It's just a big beacon of hey here, I am like, just running in the woods, maybe you'll find me, giant red hoodie. Very elliott of her. And she didn't even know that anyways. So yeah, they they start dying. Uh. And there's also there's Jack Kevin Bacon's character. There's a dude named Ned and Bill uh. And then Steve Christie is the camp the main camp man, kind of older guy. Yeahs, I was. I was struggling to I was trying to put myself in the era. I'm like, am I supposed to think he's hot? And I did never really reached the conclusion because he was killed off a little bit too easily for me. I'm like, oh, he so he wasn't that hot, But but there was you know, because like I was like, he's lived long enough that I feel like I should be attracted to him. But the whole time I was just like trying to view it as as like a scholar. He's also like actively hitting on a teen girl, but he's all weird with Alice. He's like, yeah, but the ages are so unclear to me, because it's like these these large bangs just obscure your age entirely. I'm I had no idea how old these people are. Everyone has the same hairstyle. I didn't know anyone's name in this movie, male or female. I just struggled to remember people's names because I was like, oh, it's the one with bangs. They all have bangs. You can't kill me. I have bang, lots of bangs, lots of beat cups in this movie. And like, it's nice to see bea cups on screen. Good representation of beacups. You don't see that anymore. You don't see that anymore. It's a bunch of d's out there. Yeah, everyone, we need cool boobs. Bring back no boobs, No no boobs. Tuesdays all female juice but with small boobs. W W B B bees. Yeah, hear that Hollywood put it in the treatment. So everyone's dying until it's the only person left is Alice. She encounters Misses Vhees, who she seems to trust at first, but then you realize that Mrs Vhees is the person who's been killing everyone and she's the mother of Jason who drowned except just kidding, he didn't. And somehow he's magically an adult in the next one, right, because he's like a small boy when he pops out of the lake at the end and gives us, and then the next movie takes place a year later or less something like that, and then he's a fully grown man. Then I I will say like this movie. First of all, I really enjoyed this movie. I like horror movie. I don't watch him a lot better, I like them. And I also fell for way more jump scares than I was anticipating falling for. Yeah, there are a few times where I like, actually like the the Kevin Bacon scene. I I got a little jump out of it because I was like, I didn't notice underneath the bed Kevin Bacon. Everyone dies so stupid, and like it's it's very like all the acting is so bad, like we're Kevin Bacon, like goes from I don't even there was anyone directing him, like it's uncle. They show his ass, which was I was like, whoa, I didn't know we got to see guy ass in the eighties Bacon Bon's, Bacon Bon's. That actually sounds delicious. We only we don't see a full female ass in this movie. We see we see a pretty significant crack, a high crack on Marcia want to say, a highly placed crack. Cups and granny panties. I'm like, now we're in my comfort zone. Those are granny panties. Those are like bikini now what okay, never mind. I don't know what weird songs you're wearing all the time, but those I'm wearing weird songs all the time. Those are some like you could get those at Victoria's Secret and they would be like normal, Like I'm wearing spinks right now. Those are the granny panties. Those are like bike shorts for everyday use. Okay, I guess I wear a weird underwear. So we're very weird and I'm shaming my car. It's way more than I was on that one. All right. Well, let's just plow us. Uh so yeah. Then Alice has a final confrontation with Mrs Vorhees, who tries to kill Alice because she's like, you didn't watch my son even though this happened I don't know, twelve years ago or something because then and she's like possessed by her son, yeah, something, because of that scene where he's like, mommy, do it and she's like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Because the original it's supposed to be kill kill kill, kill, die, die die, but it was a res kill kill kill kill mom, mom, mom, because it's supposed to be Jason. In her head, I like that way better. Okay, I like kill Cococo, mama better. I have said multiple times to my husband if if we were to have a kid, I would name them killing in so I could go in the grocery store and be like get like, yes, mommy, yeah, I'd like this kid, your kids a very tiny assassin. Yeah. It's like, no one's gonna mess with my Killian. That's great. Yeah. And then that's pretty much. Then she chops. Alice chops this is where he's head off at the end, and she goes and she's like, oh, it's all over, better get into a rowboat and go out into the lake at night for no reason. She was like she was committed to that robot to she was in the rowboat before Mrs where he's found her, and then she's like, I gotta get back to my boat, Like so weird. Think the last thing I would want to do is to for some reason, like I like, either way is scary, but I if I were Alice would have gone on foot because we at least know that they were weird. Police officers like that. I loved that police officer who came was like, are you guys on drugs? What's happening? Is this on any weird? We're old, We're not cool. It is sort of trow away, like, thank you, officer. Now let's let these people who are appropriating native culture get back to each other. Thank you. That was the only reason why I was like, yeah, Ned should die when he was like, oh I'm going to drown, but no, kiss me. Yeah, we we'll talk all them. That is also the one who his first appearance is almost shooting Marcy with an arrow, right, oh my god. And then it's like, oh, fun flirt. He's the killed her with an arrow. It was like flirt. She's like, stop it. You could have hurt like that. That was a real arrows, not a joke, I mean. And it paid off later with her with where she died, But like that was the first and then it was like, oh, we love this guy. He just shot and he just shot this character like with her class clown. He's the comedian of the bunch. He's a go fall, he is racist. He's trying to kill the ladies at the camp. It looks like it's in the age. I was really struggling with it. It's the Banks, it's the banks. Everyone in this movie was like actor wise, because I looked it up, it was in there like early to mid twenties, which makes sense, and they're playing they're supposed to be playing Mabe a little bit younger. Uh, but I could also I think that people back then just aged more rapidly, yes, than we do, because we're filling our bodies with all kinds of weird preservatives and people just aren't aging. We're hotter. Seventeen is the year of the hotties. Oh god, that's the eighties when people just be like I'm just gonna put like Chris Cooe on my skin and just hang out in the sunlight. What could go wrong? Like just people that true? Just baking, Yeah, nobody knew about baking ken he's baking up there, So that's this story Friday. Then oh yeah, so she shops her head off and then she goes out into a robot in the lake because the movie needs her to be on the lake so that Jason can jump out and like pull her under, but not because she survives. So that's pretty much how it ends. And then oh and she wakes up. She wakes up in a hospital and they're like, we didn't find a boy, but really, there were two cops standing right there watching that happen. You didn't see the boy drag her under the water. Nothing in this movie makes sense, Like we're old, where don't we don't understand camp. We haven't had fun in a long time. I gotta go make begrudging love to my wife very much. The police officers vibe. Can we talk about the door guy a little bit just for fun, not who's that crazy Ralph? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the funny old man on the bike because I feel that in and this is as a person with limited horror movie experience, there's usually a character who comes to warn someone about something. This is one of my one of the more fun cookie warning characters because sometimes with warning characters and I cannot pull an example at the top of my head, so hopefully what I was saying resonate. But like I feel like there's sometimes like some weird racist troops used for a warning character, and like there's just like just a random character. I don't go in there, and then they just disappear, which is what funny old Fedora guy it does. But he's got these wild eyebrows. To his credit, he does not hit on Annie, who is about to be lifted via her butt into a truck. He just scares her. So, um, I don't know if I would rather be just viscerally scared by or aggressively hit on by a man. I'd prefer neither, but I think I'd rather be scared just be told not to go to a camp because he was right. And then he does. He show up later in the movie. He's just like, yeah, the camp, you dumb idiots. I told you not to come here, I think, gets back on his bike and it's like, honestly, thank you for making the trip. He's probably had so many d uise that he has to have a bike. Yes, he was right though he but do we find out We don't find out why he knows that, other than he's just been alive for a while. But because so the movie opens with two camp counselors from like was at the late sixties some yeah, and they get murdered. They like go up to an attic and because sex right, which is a huge trope in horror movies, they started or they're like fooling around and then someone comes up and then we see them get murdered, but we don't know by whom. There are different allusions throughout the movie that there are those two murders, and then the year before that, a boy drowned and you don't find out that it was Jason who quote unquote drowned even though he didn't because he's still alive and he goes on to kill a bunch of people and all the other sequels, but he's drowned or he like was in the one, I don't know who knows. Again, this movie doesn't make it's not super important. Continuity is not super important to these movies. But because he drowned and then those two other people were killed like a decade or so before that, Everyone's like, oh, can't blood blah blah. So he was warning them crazy Ralph guys all, I was sort of hoping that if I did have one criticism of the Door Guy, I was hoping that it turned out that like he was somehow more integrally involved in the original what happened, because it would have been very easy to be like and he was a little camp boy like like that you see a little boy with like wow, that really haunted him. Well, he's only thirty five years. One of the big problems I think. I think so I generally liked the movie for what it was. You know, it's just like kind of a mindless slasher. I'm also not very well versed on like horrors, probably the genre that I like least fluent in, if you will, But I you know, it's a fun slasher movie. It's full of tropes, and those tropes keep recurring in all the sequels. But one of the things I want to talk about is, like the horror genre has its own set of like gender tropes. There's like often the final Girl. There's the thing where if you're a woman and you have sex, you've got to die. But also like man, like, if you're a man, you have to Like anyone who has sex, they have to die. I feel like there's a trope where like if you're a woman and you scream and you don't know how to put up a fight and you just like let yourself be killed, which is something I noticed about this movie. Sometimes it's like they turn around and then they're dead all of a sudden, But like when they have a chance to put up a fight, it really happens, except with Alice and then she's like, yeah, I'll throw a spool of twine at you. Can we address that. Mrs Vorries has a knife and she goes after Alice and they have a slat fight. It's like everybody else gets viciously murdered and she's like, oh Alice, slap slap, slapty slab, like really, what's what's happening here? And then she goes I noticed that to the point where I was like questioning. I was like, is it a knife? It looks like a knife, but she's not treating it like a knife at all. She was interested. I don't know. Again, there's a lot in this movie that doesn't make sense. There's but but I think that that, well, what is you're thinking about that? Does it seem like something that's just like, oh, they made it into a girl fight unnecessarily or I just think it was just some way to be like, well, of course she's going to try to fight or something, but we can't, you know, have her died in the first five minutes of the fight. So really likes over boy likes chick boats and and MS four he has has a great sweader. Yeah, okay, sweater sweater, sweater rules, good sweater, good haircut, Yes, strong female protution, feminist icon. This is well. I did like, I did like. I did like that the movie like subverted the although so again I don't know much about horror movies. I haven't seen a ton. Like the slash sub genre was basically invented by was it Halloween or around that time in like seventy nine? Was that kind of the first slasher movie? Do you know? This was around seventy Nights, So I mean like this was sort of the beginning of the genre. So at this point I was assuming and then I did a little bit of research, But it seems like this is around the time where these tropes are sort of becoming solidified, right, yeah, okay, so the troupe and a lot of them, especially over the years, has developed that it's like a man. There's a man. So not that there was a whole lot to subvert prior to this, because this is like, right, like you said, it sort of at the beginning of these troops being developed. But I thought it was cool that it's a lady killing everybody. Sure, well this okay, and this is I think sometimes just a repercussion or a side effect of the cast is that I think that I'm giving them a little more credit for they probably weren't thinking about it this hard. But I didn't know, like I didn't know the twist that it's Mrs Vorhees. So I was watching it thinking it's hockey mask guy or sweater guy. I'm not sure who watching them, with the sweater guy being Freddie Freddie where e sweater girl. But but like with these very predatory shots of you know, basically a Vorhees tracking prey, originally I was like, oh, this is this will be an interesting thing to be like, oh, it's like a male gaze. He kind of like literally a male gaze shot, but then it turns out it is not a male gaze, but also is it. It was confusing because well because being possessed, possessed by or acting out the instructions of a man and of her son too, which is us like, okay, like it's good that we have like a prominent female character, but of course her instinct and her motivation it goes back to something very maternal, which is like kind of a easy choice, not necessarily a bad one, but neither one like reverse I go, I wrote that down. Yeah, yeah, whoa great minds, great minds gang? They think the same? Is that that phrase? Is that the famous saying? That's what they say. I didn't want to say. You have brought up sweater guy, and I don't know if you guys have been going around those Halloween shops. I cannot stand to see when they do sexy Freddy Krueger costumes and like those you just returned my costume that I bought this year. Calen is like was about to take her top off and be like, guys, Freddy Krueger is a pedophile. It's like, why are you like, oh, sexy protophile that has the origin story view rape. But that was a miniax like we're going to make that sexy. I mean, that's true about a lot of costumes. So many questions were very problematic. I'm gonna be a minion sexy million from the spoil of a thousands I went in high school. My proudest Halloween costume moment was sexy Resputin? What how did people? Did you have the beard? You have had the beer had had the beard? Is it just resciput and with reciputes? And basically wearing that was like, basically just like wearing I borrowed my cousin's revealing clothing. She was a very popular girl, and I by borrowed her clothes and then put on a beard and said I am sexy Resputin because I took Russian history in high school. Because I sucking and big hit in my Russian history class. Everyone else was like, what go home? One of those scenes I wanted to talk about, which we already alluded to the scene where Ned fakes drowning so that he can be given mouth to mouth by a hot lady, which this ain't the sand Lot. Let me see the same thing happened in that movie do I need to repeat that's an example of sexual assault. You don't get to just surprised kiss a woman or like lure them to giving you mouth to mouth under false pretenses. That is assault. Why do we keep seeing this and then like she reacts, she's like ned no, the same way, but the reaction of like, hey, don't shoot me with an arrow. Stop little tricks? Do you don't do that? I don't have value. If you hit me, I deal with it. Liked there, Yeah, that was not good. I mean every I feel like every male character has their moment. The guy that is older and we don't know is he had We don't know. We were saying, not hot mustachioed Steve, mustachioed Steve. He's you know, he's like, he's like looking to settle down with a child. Look a little camp right, He's like, well maybe I should. Well he creeps in one of my campers on Alice, He like he looks at her drawings and she you know, but I couldn't tell. And I want you to draw me like one of your friend cars. Also, who keeps their sketch pad next to their like home improvement project where they're trying to put the gutters up, like that's gonna be nasty and dirty, and if you have a sketch pad, you care about it, and it's just gonna be like who's gonna put her next to this home? Or this is another confusing moment for me of like what is their relationship? Because she said something He's like, do I really look like that? And she's like, that's what you look like last night? And I was just like, what are you together? Or was he just like buy a camp fire saying prayers, sleep and you're way through slump okay, But he's like, you're very talented and you're very pretty, and then he like touches her face in a creepy way and it's like, you're thirty, she's question mark. But let's say something though. But so it was confusing, but also it's like she's not supposed to be twic six, She's supposed to be Like I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be teens, right, But either way, it was gross. I do like that you see different women fixing sinks and putting up a gutter and like reallying over a stump like often you don't see women doing. And it's weird because There are a few examples of like reductive comments, like there Steve, the the old hot guy you like in the first in his first scene he's whacking a loger whatever, stump, topping wood, He's whacking a tree with a piece of metal, and it's like, oh, this is impressive. But then they're they're like delegating stuff and Brenda says she'll do something. He's like, no, I want Brenda to paint, and it's like okay. But but it still seemed like, in spite of random reductive comments, that the work was pretty evenly split. It seemed like between men and women and just I don't know, I was like pleasantly surprised with I was expecting it to be like egregious, like the female characters in this movie of like way over sexualized, and but really everyone in this movie is sexualized, and with the women it is a little bit more, especially as the sequels go on, Like there's I think in the second or third one, like a woman completely disrobes you like see her puberty region, her like her pubic hair. Never say puberty region again, like there, I feel very sick region every everything. Do you see pub do you see her? Just that's that I'm gonna try to talk to my husband about my puberty. I've got to shave my puberty sometimes, and I the patriarchy. I must shave off between ages twelve and fifteen. You know what, I regret nothing that I've said here tonight. So if I have hot flashes and I go through menopause, do I lose my puberty region? As a real pube's head got I gotta stand up for the pubs. All right, let's get back on. If you identify as a pub sid, please do not email us. Thank you, Okay, you began this. You started this. Choo choo choot you as much as possible. Mama, very untractive of it. Um. A point that I think is worth making is that horror movies, especially ones with a bunch of sequels that are like franchises like this one, they are remembered pretty much only for their antagonists and not their protagonists, because, at least, like I said, I watched the first four, there's always you don't know who the protagonist is going to be until like the halfway through the movie, but it ends up being a woman each time. Again the final girl trope, but no one like is like oh, Friday thirteenth, you know, starring Alice our hero, Like it's always remembered for the villain, which makes sense because they're the through line of the franchise. But that character is almost always a man, which I don't know if I'm upset that, like there's the trope that like the bad killer is a man because but I don't know, true to life, but um, I don't know, there can be women killers too. I don't know what point I'm trying to make enjoy this movie Monster. Yeah, yeah, it was. I appreciate it. And I know that part of this is just like a structural like for run time, Alice has to be able to defend herself to an extent, but she does take a lot of active role in defending herself and trying to and and you know, it would have been unrealistic if we saw her really like defending herself admirably because she's a teenager, Like you know, the stuff she was doing. I was like, you know, if you're freaking out, I could see doing a weird rope thing, sure, why not go? At first, I was like, is she going to kill herself? That would be wild, But she's just like tethering a rope to the door knob and then like putting a bunch of chairs against the door. Maybe it's a cand of thing, we don't know, not checking the back to see if there's an additional door, not trying to see if like, oh, maybe I have and maybe I'm trapping myself in the same you know. But she does her best. She lasts a while to the end, and she kills the end. Yeah, Mrs Warries by chopping her head off with a machete. Does it pass the Bechdel test? If a woman chops another woman? And oh, here we go. What if she's possessed by her son? Now does she climb the loftest test prevails the and this woman with the shortest hair is in charge. That's right, Mrs Morris has pretty short hair the loftist test, and she isn't charge and so and of the other Alice has the same length of hair. I think she's she's got pretty short hair too. So both in charge your test, but the other two as true acts in the face and arrow through face way down something. Yeah, we don't know. Well, I kind of wish it's bad that I was like, okn't I wish we saw what happened. I didn't close you on my arrows. They didn't have the budget for that special for a big arrow faith I would have I would have been on board for arrow face, and I would have complained about it, and I've been like, why we have to see a woman get shooting? But I would have been like, you know, but I'm glad I saw it. Well. They die because they either have sex or are sexualized in some way, and there's that weird like slut shamy tropar. It's like, if you have sex in a horror movie, you gotta die so as you have to be punished for your six But one of them had sex and it was the term monopoly scene. Brenda is like I'm gonna take off all my clothes, so like she becomes sexual and someone because she's like Brenda's arrow girl, right Yeah. But then it's weird because in the next scene she's made to be very virginal like where that was like an interesting where she you know, like she it's her. I did like, let's do strip monopoly, which still sounds boring. I don't even understand how that would work. It was like I was like, choose any other game. But yeah, but then she goes back to her cabin and she's like in a white gown and she's reading a book and she thinks she's helping a child. Like this is a weird flip from So there's a little bit of duality. I don't know exactly what the point behind it was, but like she did go from like hor trope to virgin trope kind of abruptly, and I mean she dies regardless. But they were both present in that one character, which I thought was interesting. I don't think about women can have multiple dimensions. I think that they really helped to sexually active women contrary to popular belief, ken read what and are capable of empathy? I know, crazy, that's not choo choo. Does this movie pass the backdel test? It does? Why I really have two ladies have a conversation. But the two ladies that have conversations, we're talking about Jason. Well, there's a bunch that if you blink you'll miss him. It only has to be a two line exchange. And Marci had a had a quick They talk about vitamin C. What does vitamin C do? It neutralizes the nitrates or something. I don't know. Oh, I thought I saw something over there. That scene. There's a scene where Brenda and Marcy talk about making salads. Oh and also hand bat was that was a funny one. I was like, I want to make an Apple domestic combo. But it does pass. Strip Monopoly scene Alice and Brenda are why talking at first about like, let's play monopoly, but you'll like my version because it's strip Monopoly. But still is also there so like and they mostly talked to him, so I don't know if that scene passes really And then I would argue that the like pretty extended sequence between Mrs Vorhees and it always a few different times on like a line to line basis, especially right at first because they end up talking a lot about Jason or like wait till Mr Christie comes back, but they've already killed you. Yeah, yeah, so it passes a few different times. The surprising I was very surprised because I was thinking this was going to be the sort of one where it's like, well, if it does pass, it will pass by this kind of it's but this pass is pretty handily. So well, here's my theory about it. Oh yes, But the theory is that movies like this slasher movies where a bunch of people have to die, have to be populated by a bunch of characters, and probably at least half those characters have to be women because they have to have sex with the men so that they can be justified in dying via this weird trope that we've that's been established very white, very head or yes, but so there have to be a bunch of women so that they can have sex with all the men. Those women are going to hang out and talk to each other because it's usually like they're a group of friends, they're all vacationing, or they're at a camp or whatever setting. It is so because of that, because there just have to be so many characters who die, and a bunch of them have to be women so that we can see a bunch of them naked, because that's again another trope. And what I thought was large underwear. But we did get to see bacon, But we did get we saw more male butt than we saw female But and there was some close up of bacon packages, if that makes any sense, because he was wearing like a speed oh you mean his puberty region, his his pe reach per reach. I'm here for peer read for reach. It's a redis filled reach. Okay, So because of that, I would bet that a lot of horror movie like slasher movies like this pass the Bechdel test because there's just a bunch of ladies talking to each other before they die. But I would I would wager that a lot of slasher flicks passed the Becktel test. That's just my prediction as someone who hasn't seen a bunch of them. I bet some crummy ones probably don't. I would be interested in if any of the Final Destination movies like stuff. But all that to say, I was pleasantly surprised at how handily this movie passed the Backtel test. Yeah, anything else anyone wants to say before we read? I did want to say something very weird that Jason was originally supposed to be named Josh. Oh. I love Oh, Josh Stoop Josh, You just Josh and you if you need you need a too syllable killer name, Jason is Mike. It's too jig So yeah, I don't know that's the killer. A too syllable name I like, Yeah, Josh sounds too much like a cousin. Josh stop, Josh stop. Stamping. Jolish just sucks man, stop by the wrecking Josh. You guys, yeah you don't want Josh to come back. Come on, Josh is a bad boyfriend you had in middle school. Like, stop it, Josh, you cut it out. Pay for my milk. With that, let's rate the movie on our nipple Scared will at least rate the movie based on its portrayal of women. I'm gonna give this is a tricky one. This is kind of the first like straight up horror movie we've done so I and I'm gonna give it to Nipples. I do like that the movie passes the Pacto test against whole odds. I mean, it's hard to tell who even the protagonist is until like maybe the second act, but then you're like, oh, it's Alice, and yeah, cool that they gave her a skill. She's good at drawing, and she's sort of resourceful. She's also kind of the voice of reason towards the end when like her and Bill are the only ones left alive and she's like, let's call someone. She breaks into the office for help to call someone. Like she does stuff. She's proactive throughout the movie generally, but just based on all the built in tropes of horror slasher movies where if you show any sign of sexuality you're a horrible slot and you deserve to die and stuff like that. I think it's not good. I don't like it. Gosh, so to nipples and they belong to the dog. At the very beginning, she's like, hey girls, sorry by boy, because I guess she looked at what are you doing? Annie? Fully, I don't care if this removes me from being an ally to my own Jenny. She had to die, she had to go. She had to because she was too dumb to live. Okay, Jen, would you care to write the movie how many nipples are? Five is the max and zero is the minimum. I would say three nipples, but they're perky nipples. Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm going to say three too for all the same reasons. And these nipples are knives. They're just they're soaking that they're sharp. Wonderful, Jen, thank you so much for being here. Where can people find you online? I can be found on Jen Saunderson dot com on the twitters at the same name, on Instagram the same name. Don't look at Snapchat. I'm still trying to figure out how to do that. I don't know. I know it's it's ob noxious. I hope, but I hope that by the time we figured out, it's no longer relevantly. I'm hoping. 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