Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure (1989) vs. Bogus Journey (1991)

<v Speaker 1>Okay, Jason. While I agree that this podcast will be
<v Speaker 1>most triumphant, I think that our intro needs to have
<v Speaker 1>Eddie van Halen on the guitar.
<v Speaker 2>We won't get Eddie van Halen on the guitar until
<v Speaker 2>we have a triumph of video.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's poiless to have a triumphant video before
<v Speaker 1>we have even decent instruments.
<v Speaker 2>That is why we need Eddie van Halen.
<v Speaker 1>And that is exactly why we need a triumphant video.
<v Speaker 3>Excellent, Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely You Can't
<v Speaker 3>Be Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the
<v Speaker 3>forgotten of eighties and nineties.
<v Speaker 1>Pop culture with your co hosts James D.
<v Speaker 2>Graves and Jason Collibing.
<v Speaker 1>Welcome everybody to the most Triumphant Surely you Can't Be
<v Speaker 1>Serious Podcast. A Ah, James D.
<v Speaker 2>Graves esquire and I am Jason the Man Colvin and
<v Speaker 2>you are wild Stones. All right, greetings, my excellent friends.
<v Speaker 2>Let's get into this.
<v Speaker 1>So we're going to talk today about Bill and Ted.
<v Speaker 1>We have two movies to talk about today and then,
<v Speaker 1>if all things go according to plan, you will be
<v Speaker 1>joining us next week and Bill and Ted Part three
<v Speaker 1>Face the music will have come out, and we will
<v Speaker 1>give you our most triumphant review of that excellent or
<v Speaker 1>bogus movie.
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully it is a bodacious movie that we can share
<v Speaker 2>with the masses. I've been very, very anxious to see
<v Speaker 2>this one, been waiting since ninety one. Man, I'm all
<v Speaker 2>for it. Man, I'm more Bill and Ted, the better
<v Speaker 2>for me.
<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, honestly, with part three, we've got a
<v Speaker 1>ten year history to discuss. I mean, I know that
<v Speaker 1>everybody's wanted one for twenty thirty thirty nearly thirty years now, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but I mean even that itself was in a spin
<v Speaker 1>there for for ten years. Since twenty ten, this has
<v Speaker 1>this thing been creeping along, and so we can we'll
<v Speaker 1>talk about that in a little while. But before we
<v Speaker 1>get there, let's let's start back, and let's talk about
<v Speaker 1>the history of the original Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.
<v Speaker 2>Did you see this one in the theaters?
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Okay? How old were you to see? This? Came
<v Speaker 1>out in eighty nine.
<v Speaker 2>So February seventeenth of eighty nine.
<v Speaker 1>So February seventeenth of eighty nine, then I would have
<v Speaker 1>been thirteen years old.
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, that's about the perfect age really.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, absolutely, yes.
<v Speaker 2>I saw this one, yeah, on a double date that
<v Speaker 2>I think my mom dropped me off at the movie theater.
<v Speaker 2>It's one of those he min, can't you pick me
<v Speaker 2>up and pick up my girlfriend and drop us off?
<v Speaker 1>Good times. You had to go awkwardly knock on the door,
<v Speaker 1>your mom said hi to her parents? Is hi waving?
<v Speaker 1>Your mom's really cute? Shut up there the prom shut
<v Speaker 1>um dead. I'll tell you I remember, honestly. I remember
<v Speaker 1>seeing the preview of this movie coming on TV and
<v Speaker 1>when when the line came out, who was Joan of
<v Speaker 1>arc and they go, Noah's wife. I thought, I've got
<v Speaker 1>to see this as soon as it comes out. I've
<v Speaker 1>got to see this movie. And you know, Back to
<v Speaker 1>the Future had just come out a few years previously
<v Speaker 1>in eighty five, and we were waiting with baited breath
<v Speaker 1>for Back to the Future Part two that same year
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty yeah nine, yeah, and so another teenage
<v Speaker 1>time travel movie, Count me In, Man, count in all right.
<v Speaker 2>So this was written by Ed Solomon and Chris Mathieson.
<v Speaker 2>They wrote the script by hand on notebook paper.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It stemmed from a comedy routine that they had
<v Speaker 1>done together. Ed Solomon was had actually was our aready
<v Speaker 1>writing was he was the youngest member of the Writer's
<v Speaker 1>Guild at the time that he was writing, because he
<v Speaker 1>was writing for Laverne and Shirley. Wow, as crazy as
<v Speaker 1>that sounds, Yeah, he was doing these stand up routines
<v Speaker 1>with Chris Matheson and who was the son of Richard Matheson.
<v Speaker 2>Richard Matheson wrote I Am Legend.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He also wrote What Dreams May Come. Yeah. He
<v Speaker 1>also wrote the screenplay to Somewhere in Time, another time
<v Speaker 1>travel movie.
<v Speaker 2>This guy is a heavy hitter in the science fiction realm.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. In his early days, he was writing Twilight Zone episode.
<v Speaker 1>You know, Chris talked about how when they were doing
<v Speaker 1>the script, he was actively trying to not make it
<v Speaker 1>a sci fi movie, just because he didn't want to
<v Speaker 1>just be doing the same stuff that his dad did.
<v Speaker 1>And so it really just started off, like I said,
<v Speaker 1>as this comedy bit about these dummies talking about history
<v Speaker 1>when they didn't know anything about history, and they had
<v Speaker 1>just a small bit of it that involved some time travel.
<v Speaker 1>And then his dad said, man, that sounds like your
<v Speaker 1>whole movie. Man, that was huge advice.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he nailed It's it's interesting for me
<v Speaker 2>to think that Richard Matheson, the same guy who wrote
<v Speaker 2>the vampire slash zombie apocalyptic story, contributed majorly to the
<v Speaker 2>birth of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they had a third guy that when they
<v Speaker 1>were doing their comedy stand up bit, they had a
<v Speaker 1>third guy that was Bob. It was Bill and Ted
<v Speaker 1>and Bob, but Bob kind of got tired of the
<v Speaker 1>idea pretty quick and so then it just became Bill
<v Speaker 1>and Ted. Which this wouldn't have worked as a three
<v Speaker 1>piece for me. We'd have wandered into some kind of
<v Speaker 1>weird three stooges thing. This needed to be the duo
<v Speaker 1>that are like brothers out there.
<v Speaker 2>Chris Mathieson said that he and Ed Solomon were in
<v Speaker 2>playwriting class together at UCLA. One of the guys in
<v Speaker 2>their class was Shane Black. Shane Black wrote Lethal Weapon, Predator,
<v Speaker 2>The Last Action Hero. He wrote Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang,
<v Speaker 2>he wrote Iron Man three. I mean this guy a
<v Speaker 2>prominent guy, and they said in class their memory of
<v Speaker 2>him was that he did absolutely nothing the entire semester
<v Speaker 2>and then like the last day of class, he pulled
<v Speaker 2>something out of his butt that was better than anybody
<v Speaker 2>had written in military class.
<v Speaker 1>I have to turn something in. All right, you go,
<v Speaker 1>all right, here you go.
<v Speaker 2>It's called Predator, and the funniest guy in the class
<v Speaker 2>by a long shot, he said, the funniest man he's
<v Speaker 2>ever met is at Sullivan, uh huh. And so they
<v Speaker 2>just sort of gravitated towards each other, started hanging out,
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed each other's company, and they would go to this
<v Speaker 2>little improv club. He said. They had no real aspirations
<v Speaker 2>of being comedic performers. They just kind of wanted to
<v Speaker 2>be writers, you know, And so they would just improv.
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things was they wanted to do
<v Speaker 2>was just a couple of dumb guys discussing current events.
<v Speaker 2>And so he said, they just slid right into those characters.
<v Speaker 2>They would just start talking like yeah, man, oh excellent,
<v Speaker 2>and it just came really naturally to him.
<v Speaker 1>Once they had the idea of what the script was
<v Speaker 1>going to be, the time travel concept, they would meet
<v Speaker 1>at coffee shops and they wrote the entire script out
<v Speaker 1>on notebook paper talking to each other in a coffee
<v Speaker 1>shop over the course of four days. It's incredible the
<v Speaker 1>script changed a lot because Initially, the time travel vessel
<v Speaker 1>was a nineteen sixty nine Chevy van, but you know,
<v Speaker 1>they realized, okay, well, there was another time travel movie
<v Speaker 1>that involved a car that was way cooler than this was.
<v Speaker 1>It was supposed to be the band van. It was
<v Speaker 1>the Wild Stallions van. But so they decided to change
<v Speaker 1>it and went with a phone booth, which is weird
<v Speaker 1>because a phone booth had been being used a lot
<v Speaker 1>longer than that is the time travel device for Doctor
<v Speaker 1>Who the Tartists. But the original idea is there. Rufus
<v Speaker 1>is the guy who owns the van. He lends them
<v Speaker 1>the van. He's like this twenty eight year old guy
<v Speaker 1>who's still in high school or something. He lends them
<v Speaker 1>the van. They're driving along and all of a sudden
<v Speaker 1>they're in Nazi Germany and they pick up Hitler in
<v Speaker 1>the van, and then they bring Hitler back to San Dimas,
<v Speaker 1>and you can see how politically that may not be
<v Speaker 1>the best plot line to go with.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that well received.
<v Speaker 1>Thick and Napoleon probably was a much better choice. You know,
<v Speaker 1>a little a little further away would be its good.
<v Speaker 2>Napoleon is hilarious in this movie.
<v Speaker 1>Oh he's brilliant, and he's not been in a bunch
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. And he's not French.
<v Speaker 2>He's what is he.
<v Speaker 1>He's Australian with like Italian heritage. I mean he's he's
<v Speaker 1>not a French guy at all. But I always remember
<v Speaker 1>him as the guy who's in the bathtub during the Trumanship.
<v Speaker 2>All right, okay, so.
<v Speaker 1>This is I mean, this has always just kind of
<v Speaker 1>been their baby. I mean they I mean, they really
<v Speaker 1>worked on this concept for a long time before it
<v Speaker 1>actually got fleshed out and came to the screen, which
<v Speaker 1>I've heard them talk about Part three. They didn't want
<v Speaker 1>to do this thing that would be a cash grab.
<v Speaker 1>They didn't want to do a reboot. They wanted to
<v Speaker 1>do something that was true to the characters that they created.
<v Speaker 1>And with the with these I mean it sounds like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, these are not just oh I wrote this
<v Speaker 1>character once. It was these are beings that we've formed
<v Speaker 1>fully into a personality over a course of years. We're
<v Speaker 1>not going to betray them. So I have a lot
<v Speaker 1>of hopes for part three.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm glad that they are looking out for the
<v Speaker 2>integrity of the characters.
<v Speaker 1>I love these characters.
<v Speaker 2>I hope that they treat them well, and I hope
<v Speaker 2>that they make an enjoyable movie. So I'm super excited.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this or not, but
<v Speaker 2>Bill and Ted were originally envisioned as like fourteen year
<v Speaker 2>old boys, like just nerds.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but once they cast.
<v Speaker 2>Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter and they thought, eh, these
<v Speaker 2>guys are pretty cool guys, that kind of helped form
<v Speaker 2>and change the character.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're good looking guys, right, yeah, all the
<v Speaker 1>I love the scene where they're in the Cowboy bar. Look,
<v Speaker 1>we are totally weak. I cannot possibly fight you.
<v Speaker 2>This is Keanu Reeves, Like up to this point, did
<v Speaker 2>you know who he was before this movie?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? No, I mean he'd been in a minor roles
<v Speaker 1>here and there, I think, but nothing when they saw him.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they had auditions for this one. I've read
<v Speaker 1>some stuff that I think is probably are legend about,
<v Speaker 1>like Matheson and Solomon seeing them at a Mark McDonald's
<v Speaker 1>somewhere talking to each other. I think that's a total
<v Speaker 1>urban legend. I agree there was casting, there was auditioning.
<v Speaker 1>That was something that went on, but they identified him
<v Speaker 1>immediately as Ted. It was at that point that they said, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>now we got to find somebody to go along with
<v Speaker 1>him to be Bill. Here's something that you can encourage
<v Speaker 1>your kids to be early or on time. So they
<v Speaker 1>had called several people back. I mean, they had auditioned
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of actors, and they had called people back to
<v Speaker 1>play with Ted to see who would be a good pairing.
<v Speaker 1>You know. It's kind of like Star Wars with Carrie Fisher,
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill. But as it turned out,
<v Speaker 1>Alex Winner was one of the first guys to show up.
<v Speaker 1>Keanu Reeves was already there and they started doing lines
<v Speaker 1>together and then they started kind of riffing off each
<v Speaker 1>other and they were having a good time and they
<v Speaker 1>got to be kind of friends before they ever stepped
<v Speaker 1>foot into do their audition. And so when they went
<v Speaker 1>to do the audition, the guy who was already Ted
<v Speaker 1>had already developed a rapport with the guy who would
<v Speaker 1>become Bill, and so he show at the right time.
<v Speaker 2>Man, if you're not ten minutes earlier, you're late. That's
<v Speaker 2>that's a great story. I also, I've heard that Pauly
<v Speaker 2>Shore auditioned. Yeah, I've heard that Sean Penn auditioned, which
<v Speaker 2>I struggle with that idea.
<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean, because it's Pecoli, right, it's Spaccoli ten
<v Speaker 1>years it's Speccoli ten years later. I mean they are
<v Speaker 1>both Speacoli. Why would you have Sean Penn who is
<v Speaker 1>obviously now ten years older and he looked old when
<v Speaker 1>he played Specoli. Yeah, No, that doesn't make any sense.
<v Speaker 1>And uh, River Phoenix also in the mix there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's right.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Well, I'm really glad for me. Alex Winter when
<v Speaker 2>I saw him on screen, yeah, I recognized him.
<v Speaker 1>From The Lost Boys. Yeah, immediately he's one of the
<v Speaker 1>pack of vampires that's following Keifer Southerland around.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, first come, first state. He's the first vampire
<v Speaker 2>that gets it. All. Right, let's talk a little bit
<v Speaker 2>since we're already kind of there, Let's talk a little
<v Speaker 2>bit about the casting in this movie. Okay, so you've
<v Speaker 2>got Alex Winter as Bill s Preston Esquire, Keanu Reeves
<v Speaker 2>as Ted Theodore Logan, which the only thing I knew
<v Speaker 2>about him before I saw a movie called The River's Edge,
<v Speaker 2>which is very very serious and dramatic and traumatic and
<v Speaker 2>sad and not funny at all.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that had Crispin Glover from Back to the
<v Speaker 1>Future in it as well, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, And it's about a guy murdering his girlfriend
<v Speaker 2>and the other teenagers cover up for him. I think
<v Speaker 2>Ione Sky is in it. It's it's a weird, sad,
<v Speaker 2>unfunny movie. And then you have Keanu Reeves just hits
<v Speaker 2>it out of the park with Ted Theodore Logan.
<v Speaker 1>He did so well with this that he he said,
<v Speaker 1>for a while, I was worried that my tombstone would
<v Speaker 1>say Keanu Reeves he was Ted, And you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, he very nearly was, because he did basically the
<v Speaker 2>same character in Parenthood after this, and then he slowly
<v Speaker 2>started to change for me when he made point break.
<v Speaker 4>Point break Yeah, johnnyah, boy freaking Johnny Utah. Yeah, he's
<v Speaker 4>a bad and then he's muscled up, he's surfing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>oh man, that that movie made me want to move
<v Speaker 4>to California.
<v Speaker 2>And then he jumps to the movie Speed, which we're
<v Speaker 2>going to cover one of these days, yes, And then
<v Speaker 2>he jumps to the Matrix.
<v Speaker 1>The Matrix. I mean, he's neo. He's been a part
<v Speaker 1>of so many franchises. I mean, he's got Bill and Ted.
<v Speaker 1>He's I mean, Speed was a speed one in Speed two.
<v Speaker 1>He's got the Matrix, which went over and over. He's
<v Speaker 1>got John Wick, which has gone over and over. He's
<v Speaker 1>really I mean we used to I can remember kind
<v Speaker 1>of making fun of him as an actor. He was
<v Speaker 1>just kind of this, okay, really guy, but he's he
<v Speaker 1>is somebody who has made a name for himself. It
<v Speaker 1>is kind of that case career.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. That's a good compression. Okay, So let's
<v Speaker 2>talk about Rufus for a.
<v Speaker 1>Second, right. Rufus is played by George Carlin, who's a
<v Speaker 1>stand up comedian who has a fantastic bit on the
<v Speaker 1>words you can't say on the radio.
<v Speaker 2>We'll not go through those words right here, because we're
<v Speaker 2>trying to stay family friendly.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well let's do it this way. Okay, It's okay.
<v Speaker 1>You can't say blank, and you can't say blank. You
<v Speaker 1>also can't say blank, you can't say blank, sucker, you
<v Speaker 1>can't say mother blank, you can't say blank, and you
<v Speaker 1>can't say tits.
<v Speaker 2>So yes, so Rufus. George Carlin Alexa Wandro said that
<v Speaker 2>that was a happy accident. They were actually trying to
<v Speaker 2>get Sean Connery to play Rufus.
<v Speaker 1>That had been all wrong. I mean I love Sean Conry,
<v Speaker 1>but no, not in this role. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So they were just kind of sitting around. They're like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>we can't get Sean Connery. Who else will be good
<v Speaker 2>in this role? And somebody just tossed out the name
<v Speaker 2>what about George Carlin?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so he had just been in a movie called
<v Speaker 1>Outrageous Fortune. It was produced by the same guy who
<v Speaker 1>produced Bill and Ted's excellent Okay Adventure. Yeah, okay, so
<v Speaker 1>it was an easy Oh hey, George called George I know.
<v Speaker 2>All right. So George Carlin is Rufus. Rufus is their
<v Speaker 2>mentor and their guide. He's also the one who shows
<v Speaker 2>up in the Circle, which to me, we're going to
<v Speaker 2>talk about the five greatest scenes in the movie, but
<v Speaker 2>the visit at the circle k when he shows up
<v Speaker 2>and says, gentlemen, I'm here to help you with your
<v Speaker 2>history project. And they're like, what you know when the
<v Speaker 2>Mongols ruled China? Perhaps we can ask them. Let's talk
<v Speaker 2>about Missy for a second. Okay, I don't know exactly
<v Speaker 2>how to pronounce her name, but her name is Amy
<v Speaker 2>Stock or Stotch. She plays Missy I mean mom, I
<v Speaker 2>mean Missy. She marries Bill's dad in the first one,
<v Speaker 2>she carries Ted's dad in the second one. And then
<v Speaker 2>I think somebody said that she ended up with Denomalos,
<v Speaker 2>the bad guy from Brogus Journey after.
<v Speaker 1>That, Well I saw that. I don't know where it
<v Speaker 1>would have been, whether it was because they did. They
<v Speaker 1>had a few things that came about after Bogus Journey,
<v Speaker 1>Like they had a cartoon series that actually had Alex
<v Speaker 1>Winter and Keanu Reeves and George Carlin voicing the cartoon character.
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, and there is even a short like the
<v Speaker 1>and then the second season it wasn't them, and then
<v Speaker 1>they made a live action TV show that was the
<v Speaker 1>guys that voiced the cartoons after the original cast left.
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if somewhere in all of that
<v Speaker 1>mess that she ends up with Denomalos or not, or
<v Speaker 1>if it's in this movie. Maybe it's in this movie
<v Speaker 1>that she ends up with Dynomalos because Dannomalos, that guy died.
<v Speaker 1>Who is that actor?
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember his name, Joss Auckland.
<v Speaker 1>Which I mean I know that you know him the
<v Speaker 1>same place I do, which is lethal weapon.
<v Speaker 2>Two Diplomatic community.
<v Speaker 5>It's been revoked, all right, So Missy is uh Bill's
<v Speaker 5>stepmom and every time she leans over, they both stare
<v Speaker 5>and look down her shirt.
<v Speaker 1>Dude, that's your mom. Hold on, before we run on,
<v Speaker 1>we talked about denomalos, right, so do you know what
<v Speaker 1>that is? What? It's Ed Solomon backwards.
<v Speaker 2>That is awesome, Ed Solomon, the writer.
<v Speaker 1>For Bill and Ted. Yes, Ed Solomon backward words is
<v Speaker 1>well kind of Ed backwards day and Solomon backwards. Nominally,
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about mister Ryan real quick.
<v Speaker 2>Mister Ryan, who is their teacher, who before we go
<v Speaker 2>any further, he is a good teacher. He doesn't want
<v Speaker 2>his students to flunk. He has been over backwards to
<v Speaker 2>help them pass. They have flunked every section of his
<v Speaker 2>class and.
<v Speaker 1>He is All you can tell me is that Caesar
<v Speaker 1>was the salad dressing dude.
<v Speaker 2>Ed stand up, stand up?
<v Speaker 1>Yes, stand up.
<v Speaker 2>So mister Ryan played by Bernie Casey, who is also
<v Speaker 2>in Revenge of the Nerds and never saying ever again.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, hold on a second, Wait a minute, I feel
<v Speaker 1>like I have a piece of knowledge. Revenge of the
<v Speaker 1>Nerds to had a song in it that was written
<v Speaker 1>by Ed Solomon. Get out of here. How do you
<v Speaker 1>know I I because I'm a freaking genius. That's how
<v Speaker 1>I knew it. Yes, nineteen eighty seven Revenge of the
<v Speaker 1>Nerds Part two Nerds in Paradise credited Ed Solomon Lyrics No.
<v Speaker 1>On fifteen Boom.
<v Speaker 2>Nice, well done. That is a mind blowing fact that
<v Speaker 2>you will only get here at They sure that you
<v Speaker 2>can't be serious?
<v Speaker 1>Podcast right next credit Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's see here. Let's keep going, because if
<v Speaker 2>you are a fan of eighties movies, I've got I've
<v Speaker 2>got some stuff for you. You're ready to hang on
<v Speaker 2>tight you go Ginghis Khan is played by Al Leon.
<v Speaker 2>You may recognize him as the guy who always gets
<v Speaker 2>killed in every action movie in the eighties. I'm not kidding.
<v Speaker 2>He was in Diehard. He's the guy who's the candy
<v Speaker 2>bar right before they shoot the police that are advancing
<v Speaker 2>on the front door. Right he gets blown up when
<v Speaker 2>they blow up the helicopters.
<v Speaker 1>Uh blow the roof Lea's in lethal weapon.
<v Speaker 2>He's the guy torturing mel Gibson with the electric shockers
<v Speaker 2>while he's in the Showery Riggs managed to grabs him
<v Speaker 2>with his ankles and breaks the guy's neck.
<v Speaker 1>That's all.
<v Speaker 2>Leon Yes is also in Big Trouble in Little China.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>He's a stuntman slash actor, and he plays Genghis Khan
<v Speaker 2>in Bill and Ted's excellent, bitch. I'm gonna keep going,
<v Speaker 2>I'm rolling, okay.
<v Speaker 1>Ready.
<v Speaker 2>Abraham Lincoln is played by Robert D.
<v Speaker 1>Baron.
<v Speaker 2>Hang with me on this.
<v Speaker 1>I'm hanging.
<v Speaker 2>Got to reach deep in the vault for this. One
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite early eighties movies is The Private Eyes
<v Speaker 2>with Don Knots and Tim Conway.
<v Speaker 1>It used to be one of my favorite movies, and
<v Speaker 1>then you loan me the DVD and I watched it
<v Speaker 1>with my family and I kept hearing, when is this
<v Speaker 1>movie gonna be open?
<v Speaker 2>Oh?
<v Speaker 1>You're killing me. I loved it, But that movie does
<v Speaker 1>not hold up. I'm sorry, my friend.
<v Speaker 2>That is a family favorite at my house, The Private Eyes.
<v Speaker 2>But at the very beginning Tim Conway's character in don Knots,
<v Speaker 2>they pull up to a gas station. The guy says,
<v Speaker 2>you guys are the two idiots in the newspaper, and
<v Speaker 2>he's got a real heavy Cogny accent, right, and they
<v Speaker 2>end up blowing up the gas station.
<v Speaker 1>That is Robert V.
<v Speaker 2>Barron, who plays Abraham Lincoln.
<v Speaker 1>Party on dudes. Yeah, he was also and people who
<v Speaker 1>were night Court fans and I was a big night
<v Speaker 1>Court fan. But there's an episode where there's a cowboy
<v Speaker 1>on who kind of looks like the Lone Ranger except old,
<v Speaker 1>gray haired Lone Ranger and he's wearing a red shirt.
<v Speaker 1>It's the same guy. I remember seeing him and being like, oh, dude,
<v Speaker 1>that's the same guy. Now.
<v Speaker 2>Then I'm really gonna blow your mind here. You're ready
<v Speaker 2>for this?
<v Speaker 1>Blow my mind? All right?
<v Speaker 2>Joan of arc is played by Jane Whedland. Yes, who
<v Speaker 2>is in You and Star Trek four?
<v Speaker 1>So she's been in.
<v Speaker 2>Some stuff, right, yeah, right, I'm gonna play a song
<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna see if you can remember this one, right,
<v Speaker 2>You're ready for this?
<v Speaker 3>Okay?
<v Speaker 2>That song ringing bell to you at all?
<v Speaker 1>No? Okay, that song it's.
<v Speaker 2>Called rush Hour. That was kind of a top ten
<v Speaker 2>hit the summer of nineteen eighty eight. That's a song
<v Speaker 2>by Jane Whedland. Okay, I am going to play a
<v Speaker 2>song that you will recognize, Okay, Okay.
<v Speaker 1>All right. That song is called ar Let's Arcia Arlet Sorry,
<v Speaker 1>same group though, right, yeah, go go go Gos. Yes, sorry,
<v Speaker 1>the Go Gos. Yes.
<v Speaker 2>Jane Wheeland wrote that song and plays guitar for the
<v Speaker 2>Go Gos.
<v Speaker 1>Now that you say, I totally see it. That yep,
<v Speaker 1>good job, man. My mind is blown. Nice nice video,
<v Speaker 1>MTV connection. I love it. There you go, there you go? Okay,
<v Speaker 1>all right, so you ready for me to blow your
<v Speaker 1>mind a little bit? Yes? Do it? Okay? Okay. So
<v Speaker 1>we all know that Keanu Reeves went on and has
<v Speaker 1>done many many movies. Alex Winter has done not as
<v Speaker 1>many movies as an actor, but he's become a pretty
<v Speaker 1>prominent documentary filmmaker. One of the ones that you might
<v Speaker 1>recognize is called The Deep Web, which he did back
<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen, actually narrated by Keanu Reeves about the
<v Speaker 1>Dark Web and the Silk Road and the drug trade
<v Speaker 1>that went on on the web. And I'm a big
<v Speaker 1>fan of a book called American Kingpin, which is about
<v Speaker 1>this guy named Ulrich who was a He was a academic.
<v Speaker 1>He was like a master's student who didn't get into
<v Speaker 1>PhD program and decided to start selling drugs on the
<v Speaker 1>dark Web and developed the Silk Road. And he's now
<v Speaker 1>serving several life sentences in prison. It's fantastic book. You
<v Speaker 1>should check it out. But I digress. Alex Winter not
<v Speaker 1>been in a whole lot of stuff. He was in
<v Speaker 1>Freaked after this and hasn't been in a whole bunch
<v Speaker 1>of stuff, but has done some things. But back to
<v Speaker 1>our MTV days. Alex Winter was the director of several
<v Speaker 1>videos including Higher Ground, Knock Me Down, and Taste the Pain,
<v Speaker 1>all by Red Hot Chili Peppers and are you ready
<v Speaker 1>for this one? Who's the Mac? By Ice Cube What.
<v Speaker 1>Alex Winter directed the video for Who's the Mac? What
<v Speaker 1>theag Wow?
<v Speaker 2>I believe Alex Winter even directed a video for Extreme.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he did Decadence Stance and he did Photo Graffiti.
<v Speaker 2>Extreme has a connection to Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure
<v Speaker 2>as well. They have the song play with Me, which
<v Speaker 2>is fantastic. It's what they play during the mall scene
<v Speaker 2>and has the.
<v Speaker 1>Play right here.
<v Speaker 2>My kids love this song. They asked me to play
<v Speaker 2>the song in the in the car. It's also the hardest.
<v Speaker 2>One of the hardest songs to play on Guitar Hero
<v Speaker 2>was Play with Me.
<v Speaker 1>That's how they do it. Yeah, that's not surprising. It
<v Speaker 1>on Porn of Graffiti. Nina Benincourt had the song Flight
<v Speaker 1>of the Wounded Bumblebee, which I mean, if you've heard
<v Speaker 1>Flight of the Bumblebee, you know how fast that is.
<v Speaker 1>It is that on speed. I mean, it's crazy good.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this or not. But
<v Speaker 2>Bill Ted's Excellent Adventure was all filmed in nineteen eighty seven. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>this is the interesting thing to me. It was all
<v Speaker 2>filmed in nineteen eighty seven. They wrapped it up sat
<v Speaker 2>on a shelf.
<v Speaker 1>So when they first when the director, Steve Stephen Herricks,
<v Speaker 1>first started looking at this, he thought to himself, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>this is either going to be a huge hit or
<v Speaker 1>phenomenal flop. They got the production company, the dent Entertainment Group,
<v Speaker 1>to finance the film. I mean they're practically done. I
<v Speaker 1>think they've cut it, They've they've done all of the shooting,
<v Speaker 1>and then Dyal Renis goes bankrupt and so they're stuck
<v Speaker 1>and they think, oh, well, crap, this thing is just
<v Speaker 1>going to go straight to video. It's never going to
<v Speaker 1>see a movie theater or anything like that. But then
<v Speaker 1>some of the guys who worked for the Delentis Group
<v Speaker 1>ended up working for the Nelson Group, and the Nelson
<v Speaker 1>Group in combination with Oriyan bought it and put it
<v Speaker 1>out there.
<v Speaker 2>That's really cool. I'm so glad too.
<v Speaker 1>Before they had the DearS group was was run by
<v Speaker 1>Dio deal Reenis and he keeps looking at it and
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I just I don't get it. What is dudes?
<v Speaker 1>What is dudes? What is that? And they keep trying
<v Speaker 1>to explain it. Finally, I remember it seems like maybe
<v Speaker 1>it was Solomon or Mathison says, it's a guy with
<v Speaker 1>a big and he says, at that point he finally
<v Speaker 1>understood what it meant.
<v Speaker 2>Hino de Lorenzis actually gave us Flash Gordon. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if you remember. Oh wow, Yeah he did Flash Gordon.
<v Speaker 2>So we got a podcast about that sometimes.
<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure, just for the soundtrack alone, exactly.
<v Speaker 2>We gotta at least talk about the soundtrack. Okay, So
<v Speaker 2>let's do the plot overview for Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.
<v Speaker 2>Bill and Ted are students in high school and they've
<v Speaker 2>got to pass their history class or else. Their band
<v Speaker 2>Wild Stallions, who save the world from by their amazing
<v Speaker 2>music somehow makes peace with everybody and causes serenity and you.
<v Speaker 1>Suddenly left from Slow Stone. Dude, I get this done
<v Speaker 1>really really quick.
<v Speaker 2>Somehow, while Stallion's music makes bowling scores go way up
<v Speaker 2>and many golf scores go way down. But the rockmand
<v Speaker 2>Wild Stallions will never exist because Ted will be sent
<v Speaker 2>to military school in Alaska. Rufus, their mentor from the future,
<v Speaker 2>is sent to go help them out. He gives them
<v Speaker 2>the keys to a time traveling foam booth so they
<v Speaker 2>can go back and grab historical figures from the past
<v Speaker 2>to help them create an excellent final report. But the
<v Speaker 2>clock in San Demus is still ticking.
<v Speaker 1>There's a totally different kind of idea behind time travel
<v Speaker 1>in this movie than in Back to the Future. You
<v Speaker 1>don't have any space time paradoxes. You don't, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>none of that stuff matters. Like, there's no danger that
<v Speaker 1>you're going to screw everything up forever. Somehow in the
<v Speaker 1>future they can see that in the past that if
<v Speaker 1>something doesn't happen to change things, that the future that
<v Speaker 1>they're in won't happen. I don't understand how that works,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not supposed to, because this is not a
<v Speaker 1>science ficture movie, right exactly.
<v Speaker 2>Please don't notice the time continuum loop where they continuously
<v Speaker 2>meet themselves at the circle k again and again and
<v Speaker 2>again and again.
<v Speaker 1>Right and forget to wind their watch.
<v Speaker 2>All right, So I've got some great tidbits on this.
<v Speaker 2>Do you want to go into that? All right, Let's
<v Speaker 2>just talk about Bill and Ted's characters for a second,
<v Speaker 2>all right. They're kind, they're sincere, they're friendly, they're lovable.
<v Speaker 2>There's good dudes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And for somebody who wants to watch.
<v Speaker 1>Movies with their kids, yep, it's pretty tame. Right.
<v Speaker 2>There's really no cussing. There's no drinking, there's no drug use,
<v Speaker 2>there's no sex.
<v Speaker 1>I can think of two cuss words in this whole thing,
<v Speaker 1>and they're the same cuss word. You killed, Ted, You
<v Speaker 1>medieval gweed.
<v Speaker 2>That's about as mad as Bill gets the entire movie.
<v Speaker 1>You left Napoleon.
<v Speaker 2>He was a.
<v Speaker 5>That line.
<v Speaker 2>Talk about what the director, Stephen Harrit he would give
<v Speaker 2>them direction. Yeah, And his main direction was more labrador,
<v Speaker 2>more labrador, because the labrador is the dog that you
<v Speaker 2>can yell at, you can kick, and it'll be sad
<v Speaker 2>for a second and then it'll come back and it'll
<v Speaker 2>be all smiley and lick your face and just be like,
<v Speaker 2>can we go play now?
<v Speaker 1>Yes? And that's what these characters are, oh for sure.
<v Speaker 1>And you know I saw this. You know, we talked
<v Speaker 1>originally about comparing this movie to Wayne's World, and then
<v Speaker 1>we saw something today, Today's date. That's that was a
<v Speaker 1>comparison of those two movies that referred to him as
<v Speaker 1>stoner movies, which in neither movie are people getting high.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that doesn't happen now I can see that
<v Speaker 1>is you know, like, okay, I get that these are
<v Speaker 1>guys are like cool, yeah, and they have that kind
<v Speaker 1>of mentality, but they don't do it in this You
<v Speaker 1>can watch this movie and there's no there's no marijuana use,
<v Speaker 1>there's no drinking except for the bar scene. Like they
<v Speaker 1>didn't even cardiffs. We've got to remember this place. There
<v Speaker 1>are people in life that have this kind of attitude
<v Speaker 1>about life and the good naturedness without being high all
<v Speaker 1>the time. There's nothing wrong with being genuine and sweet.
<v Speaker 1>You know, these guys are just sweet dudes. Yeah, just
<v Speaker 1>kind of dumb.
<v Speaker 2>Did you know that the these two guys say the
<v Speaker 2>word dude seventy times.
<v Speaker 1>And they say the word excellent thirty times. I cannot
<v Speaker 1>believe that they didn't say the word dude sixty nine times.
<v Speaker 2>I know, what a waste, what a blown opportunity. And
<v Speaker 2>actually that is a funny insinuation that my daughter, who
<v Speaker 2>was watching it with me, she didn't catch.
<v Speaker 1>She's too young.
<v Speaker 2>It's funny they thought of the same number.
<v Speaker 1>Huh. Yeah, I've got a twelve almost thirteen year old.
<v Speaker 1>That's something at seven to eleven was sixty nine cents.
<v Speaker 1>And I saw him talking to his brother's like sixty
<v Speaker 1>nine and then he's like, what does that mean. He's like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not telling you.
<v Speaker 2>All right, here's something forty. Alex Wender claims he gets
<v Speaker 2>two types of letters from teachers all right, positive ones
<v Speaker 2>from history teachers for encouraging students to learn about history,
<v Speaker 2>and negative ones from English teachers for affecting the way
<v Speaker 2>students speak. In the film, Bill and Ted claimed that
<v Speaker 2>they need Eddie van Halen in their band.
<v Speaker 1>To make it better.
<v Speaker 2>After the film was released, Eddie van Halen jokingly said
<v Speaker 2>he would have joined their band if they would have
<v Speaker 2>asked him. That is a great opportunity for Bill and
<v Speaker 2>Ted three.
<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure. I don't know what Eddie.
<v Speaker 2>Van Halen's up to, but if he joined the band
<v Speaker 2>in Bill Ted three, that would be freaking amazing.
<v Speaker 1>Well, and it's interesting, you know, like the most important
<v Speaker 1>people in the future are all they are all played
<v Speaker 1>by musicians. I mean everybody can everybody recognizes Clarence Clements, right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>from the East Street Band, from Bruce Springsteen eas Street Band.
<v Speaker 2>Right, He's one of the most important persons in the world.
<v Speaker 1>He's the he's the big, the big black guy up front. Yes.
<v Speaker 1>We also have Martha Davis, who was the lead singer
<v Speaker 1>of the band called the Motels. Oh really, yes, And
<v Speaker 1>we also have h Waybill, who was the lead singer
<v Speaker 1>of a band called the Tubes. Are you serious?
<v Speaker 2>I've never known this. I've seen this movie nine thousand times.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. He Waybills worked with Toto, He's worked with Richard
<v Speaker 1>Marx and Billy Sherwood. But yeah, all of the three
<v Speaker 1>most important people in the world in Bill and Ted's
<v Speaker 1>excellent adventure Future are all musicians, which is appropriate since
<v Speaker 1>it's their song that has led the world to world peace.
<v Speaker 2>No way, yes, way, Oh my gosh, I got this
<v Speaker 2>for you. Ready for this?
<v Speaker 1>You love?
<v Speaker 2>This picture on Ted's T shirt is the cover photo
<v Speaker 2>for Van Halen's why Can't This Be Loved?
<v Speaker 5>Single?
<v Speaker 2>Solder in the Van Halen fifty one to fifty tour right,
<v Speaker 2>very popular with Van Halen fans. It was Sammy's first
<v Speaker 2>tour with Van Halen after replacing David Lee Roth. Who
<v Speaker 2>you like better, van Halen or Van Hagar? Go back
<v Speaker 2>and listen to our van Halen episodes. I would love
<v Speaker 2>to have this T shirt.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, dude, have you looked to see if the
<v Speaker 1>T shirt's still available? No, I need to I would
<v Speaker 1>wear if I bought that shirt. I'm not kidding. I
<v Speaker 1>don't care that it's the Sammy Hagar shirt. I would
<v Speaker 1>wear that shirt every freaking day with a black vest
<v Speaker 1>over it.
<v Speaker 2>All Right, here's something that you're not gonna get it
<v Speaker 2>from any other podcast. When Abraham Lincoln emerges on stage
<v Speaker 2>at the end during Bill and Ted's History report, his
<v Speaker 2>opening line is for score and seven minutes ago.
<v Speaker 1>And it happens at eighty seven minutes into the.
<v Speaker 2>Film four score plus seven.
<v Speaker 1>Pretty tasty man. Nice there. Actually, there are quite a
<v Speaker 1>few historical things that they put in this movie that
<v Speaker 1>are really smart and really hidden, Like when they're doing
<v Speaker 1>the Napoleon thing and he's there on stage and he's
<v Speaker 1>going over all of this thing and I can't remember
<v Speaker 1>whether it's Bill or Ted. At this point, it's like,
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it'll work, and he knocks all the
<v Speaker 1>pieces off. It's actually recreating the French invasion of Russia.
<v Speaker 1>That was Napoleon's huge loss, that his Waterloo, another historical reference. Boom. So, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>they they've got a ton of the a ton of
<v Speaker 1>those things in there that you just you're not gonna
<v Speaker 1>get unless you just happen to be an expert in
<v Speaker 1>these things. To get him, they just kind of nicely,
<v Speaker 1>neatly hit it, hid them in there.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, when they're at the police station and uh Ted's
<v Speaker 2>dad asked Abraham Lincoln what his birthday is, February twelve,
<v Speaker 2>I know what it is.
<v Speaker 1>With an L. It's Lincoln with an L. Why do
<v Speaker 1>you insist on saying that your Sigmund Freud? Why do
<v Speaker 1>you assist on saying I'm not Freud? Anyway. Steve Solace
<v Speaker 1>is the guy who wrote a bunch of the guitar
<v Speaker 1>stuff which is prominent in the soundtrack. But you know
<v Speaker 1>what the last scene when Rufus picks up a guitar
<v Speaker 1>and starts playing and he's phenomenal, Yeah, it's Steve Solace's
<v Speaker 1>hands that you're seeing play the guitar. Nice. Yes. Now
<v Speaker 1>in the next movie they get a different Steve as
<v Speaker 1>Steve Steve Yes again David Lee Roth connection there, and
<v Speaker 1>he's done most of the music in the Bobbish Journey episode.
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's flip over to Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.
<v Speaker 1>And so as a part two to the time travel movie,
<v Speaker 1>you would expect another time travel movie. But time travel,
<v Speaker 1>although present, is a very small factor in this particular movie.
<v Speaker 1>So you've got instead of this the storyline where they're
<v Speaker 1>picking up people from the past, although those things do
<v Speaker 1>crop up. This is a movie that's more like a
<v Speaker 1>Paradise lost, like they're journeying down into hell and up
<v Speaker 1>to heaven. And it's really based on an old Ingmar
<v Speaker 1>Bergmann movie called The Seventh Seal okay, and it's a
<v Speaker 1>really famous it's a fantastically famous movie. Seventh Seal comes
<v Speaker 1>from revelations where it talks about the Seventh Seal being broken.
<v Speaker 1>And in the movie you have Maxiwan Sidau plays this
<v Speaker 1>Night who ends up trying to win his life back
<v Speaker 1>from death by playing death in a game of chess
<v Speaker 1>instead of Battleship, Monopoly and Electrics.
<v Speaker 6>All, yeah, you're wrong, Death, it was Professor Plum. I
<v Speaker 6>never lose Best five or seven.
<v Speaker 1>They decided to make a part two. Yes, Steven Herrick says, okay,
<v Speaker 1>this to me, this movie seems like a parody of
<v Speaker 1>a movie that was already a parody, and so I'm
<v Speaker 1>not really interested in doing it. So they bring on
<v Speaker 1>a different guy named Peter Hewitt. Now, this is Peter
<v Speaker 1>Hewitt's first movie. They had seen a short film that
<v Speaker 1>he had made called The Candy Show, and that's how
<v Speaker 1>he got put in the director spot. He makes a
<v Speaker 1>cameo appearance in the movie. He's the guy who starts
<v Speaker 1>smoking a cigarette and then Death says see you soon, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Bill In tevs. Bogus Journey was released July nineteenth of
<v Speaker 2>ninety one. Budget was twenty million and it made thirty
<v Speaker 2>eight million at.
<v Speaker 1>The box office. Pretty good. I mean that's a pretty
<v Speaker 1>decent hit. Double their money. Yeah. So there are a
<v Speaker 1>couple of cool little bits in this. Whenever the Robot Bad,
<v Speaker 1>the Evil Bill and Ted come back, they arrive at
<v Speaker 1>the circle K right. Yes, well, when they arrive they
<v Speaker 1>land right next to this burnt square in the parking lot,
<v Speaker 1>because that's where the original Bill and Ted had come
<v Speaker 1>back to whenever they met the first Bill in Ted
<v Speaker 1>before they started time traveling in the first place.
<v Speaker 2>I got on Google Maps and I found this circle
<v Speaker 2>K by the way.
<v Speaker 1>Nice. So it's not a circle K anymore? No, is
<v Speaker 1>it a seven eleven.
<v Speaker 2>It's a seven eleven.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so by the time the second movie came around,
<v Speaker 1>it had become the seven to eleven. They had to
<v Speaker 1>like digitally go in and change it to a circle K. Actually,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's digitally back then, it probably
<v Speaker 1>was like they put a different sign up on the
<v Speaker 1>wall after. Did we have our old friend Chelsea Ross
<v Speaker 1>playing the part of Colonel Oates? Yeah, Harris exactly. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>and also from Hoosiers. Yes.
<v Speaker 2>William Sadler plays death in this yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And William Sadler of course was in die Hard Too.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's the bad guy in Diehard Too.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And he's also in what I consider the best
<v Speaker 1>movie of all time, The shash Ank Redemption. Can't wait
<v Speaker 1>to talk about that one.
<v Speaker 2>That one's coming down the road, definitely for sure.
<v Speaker 1>So Okay, I don't know, did you notice this when
<v Speaker 1>you're watching Bogus Journey at the end as like everybody's
<v Speaker 1>listening to them play their song. Like you've got people
<v Speaker 1>around the world listening to them play their song at
<v Speaker 1>the Battle of the Bands, right, William Sadler is actually
<v Speaker 1>plays the part of a British guy watching this with
<v Speaker 1>his family. His family is actually it's like his actual
<v Speaker 1>wife and his actual child that are watching Bill and
<v Speaker 1>Ted on TV on the Battle of the Bands.
<v Speaker 2>Nice, that's cool.
<v Speaker 1>And of course we've got Pam Greer pre Jackie Brown
<v Speaker 1>still a good Oh she looks fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, major mab Unfortunately she turns out to be
<v Speaker 2>rufous right spoiler.
<v Speaker 1>And then the band on the Battle of the Bands
<v Speaker 1>that's playing before Bill and Ted before Wild Stallions gets
<v Speaker 1>up to play is primus nice.
<v Speaker 2>When Bill and Ted go to Missy's seance as ghosts, right, yes, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Chris Matheson and Ed Solomon, the creators and writers of
<v Speaker 2>Bill and Ted, they're actually they're they're the men attending
<v Speaker 2>the seance.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they make a cameo appearance there, And they
<v Speaker 1>also made a cameo appearance in Bill and Ted's Excellent
<v Speaker 1>Adventure as the Ziggie Piggy guys the Ziggy Bigye Stige
<v Speaker 1>Big where Napoleon is eating a Neapolitan Sunday.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, are you a Star Trek fan, like an original
<v Speaker 2>Star Trek series fan.
<v Speaker 1>I watched a bit of it and that was I mean,
<v Speaker 1>that was a fun detail because they're watching Star Trek
<v Speaker 1>on TV in the In the movie, Bill and Ted
<v Speaker 1>are watching Star Trek when they're kind of stuck at
<v Speaker 1>their apartment.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so this episode, I've actually seen Captain Kirk is
<v Speaker 2>being chased around by an alien and he's supposed to
<v Speaker 2>be on this desert.
<v Speaker 1>Planet or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>It turns out that is a location shot in California,
<v Speaker 2>and this is the same spot where the Evil Us
<v Speaker 2>is throw Bill and Ted off of the cliff. That's
<v Speaker 2>the same spot where that Star Trek episode was filmed.
<v Speaker 1>Nice tie in. Okay, I thought this was pretty cool.
<v Speaker 2>The Evil robot Us is we're supposed to kill Bill
<v Speaker 2>and Tad again at the Battle of the Bands, whereupon
<v Speaker 2>the boys would invoke their wins against death to get resurrected.
<v Speaker 1>So like they had nine lives or something.
<v Speaker 2>I guess like they had beaten death in Twister and
<v Speaker 2>in Battleship and in Clue, so they had like extra lives,
<v Speaker 2>so to speak, didn't it.
<v Speaker 1>I really love how Death like because he moves from
<v Speaker 1>this ominous figure to this guy who's just kind of
<v Speaker 1>hanging out like I'm just along for the ride, and
<v Speaker 1>then he moves into the Yeah, I'm gonna do a
<v Speaker 1>rap here at the end of this thing. It's I
<v Speaker 1>just think it's hilarious what they do with the character
<v Speaker 1>of Death, and I'm really excited to see what they're
<v Speaker 1>gonna do with it in face the music.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's been beaten, and so he's kind of a
<v Speaker 2>part of the gang, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love it when he looks.
<v Speaker 2>At God and he's like he like explains to him
<v Speaker 2>as like they melvined.
<v Speaker 1>Me the at the end, whenever he's rapping, when Death
<v Speaker 1>is rapping. This is kind of this is a weird,
<v Speaker 1>kind of twisted fact here for you. Okay, so he
<v Speaker 1>does the you could be a king or a little
<v Speaker 1>street sweeper, but sooner or later, you're going to dance
<v Speaker 1>with the Reaper. These were actually the last words of
<v Speaker 1>Robert Allan Harris, who was the first man to die
<v Speaker 1>on death row in California in twenty five years. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>that's cool. I've never heard that before.
<v Speaker 2>All Right, this is a cool Most people caught this
<v Speaker 2>and I get it, but it's still worth mentioning if
<v Speaker 2>you're not a super eighties music fan, this mine have
<v Speaker 2>got past you. But when they meet God. First of all,
<v Speaker 2>they maintain their sweetness when talking with God. Right, Ted's
<v Speaker 2>like you are a most noble creator. Great job on Earth,
<v Speaker 2>Bill and I enjoy it on a daily basis before
<v Speaker 2>they get to God. In order to get into Heaven,
<v Speaker 2>they have to prove themselves worthy. And so Ted says,
<v Speaker 2>every rose has its thorn, Every night has a dawn,
<v Speaker 2>just like every cowboy sings a sad, sad song. These
<v Speaker 2>are key lyrics to the.
<v Speaker 1>Song every Rose has Its Thorn by Poison Love that song.
<v Speaker 1>When this movie was released opening weekend, it finished number two?
<v Speaker 1>Do you know to finished number two? Two? Yes? I do?
<v Speaker 1>Ternator two Judgment Day right, which involves a robot going
<v Speaker 1>back in time to kill somebody in order to change
<v Speaker 1>the future. How ironic is that? Huh? Okay, So I'm
<v Speaker 1>about to blow your minds last note on my paper.
<v Speaker 1>We can talk about some best scenes here in just
<v Speaker 1>a second, but I'm gonna blow your frigging mind. The
<v Speaker 1>mall yes, when they have to go and build their
<v Speaker 1>own robot versions of themselves and they're taking the aliens
<v Speaker 1>and they go to the building emporium. The mall that
<v Speaker 1>they go to is the same mall that was the
<v Speaker 1>Twin Pines Mall and Back to the Future.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, that is excellent or Lone Pine Mall.
<v Speaker 1>It's depending on what you know, what Spider verse you're in.
<v Speaker 2>In my mind, it's Lone Pine Mall. Okay, Well, I
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about the songs for a second. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So we talked briefly about Play with Me by Extreme. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>great song, fun, fantastic, The lyrics are great. If you've
<v Speaker 2>got young kids, play it for them.
<v Speaker 1>The loven Okay.
<v Speaker 2>In Bill and Ted's Bogus journey, Kiss contributes a great song.
<v Speaker 1>You and I have talked about the fact that I'm
<v Speaker 1>not a big Kiss fan. God Gave Rock and Roll
<v Speaker 1>to You is maybe their best song.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is great.
<v Speaker 1>Great song.
<v Speaker 2>Is the song that wins the Battle of the bands.
<v Speaker 1>It's such an interesting thing that they decide to come back.
<v Speaker 1>Now here's a bit that's that It'll be interesting to
<v Speaker 1>see how it plays in to face the music. Because
<v Speaker 1>they they conquer the bad guy. They're they're they're about
<v Speaker 1>to play their song for the Battle of the Band,
<v Speaker 1>which is supposed to be the thing that makes them
<v Speaker 1>you know, that moves everyone, right, and they suddenly realize
<v Speaker 1>that they can't play their instruments, and so they hop
<v Speaker 1>in the phone booth. They leave, and they basically say
<v Speaker 1>they've been gone for fifteen months, and they look like
<v Speaker 1>the guys from ZZ top right, and they play this
<v Speaker 1>beautiful guitar piece which was written by Steve VII, which
<v Speaker 1>ultimately flows into God Gave Rock and Roll to you. Well,
<v Speaker 1>when they come in, they both have babies on their back,
<v Speaker 1>and we know from the preview that we've seen and
<v Speaker 1>from the you know, the cast listing that face the
<v Speaker 1>music involves daughters, not sons, right, But then I was
<v Speaker 1>talking with you, this is nearly thirty years ago, Like
<v Speaker 1>those sons are going to be like father age themselves.
<v Speaker 1>These are not teenage sons, so they had to go.
<v Speaker 1>They had I mean, these have to be the little
<v Speaker 1>sisters or whatever. But you know, of course Ted's son's
<v Speaker 1>name is Bill, and Bill's sons name is Ted.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, on that note, I think it's funny
<v Speaker 2>that these characters continually speak each other's names all the time. Oh, yes,
<v Speaker 2>like a million times. It's like I go on friend, Yes, Ted,
<v Speaker 2>my friend, I do I did hear something funny on
<v Speaker 2>an interview with Chris Matheson. So they were working on
<v Speaker 2>the script for Bogus Journey and it was late and
<v Speaker 2>they were typing away. Actually Ed Solomon was typing, do
<v Speaker 2>you hear the story? No, it was late, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>they're sort of slap happy, and they were working on it,
<v Speaker 2>and the next day when they reviewed their notes, the
<v Speaker 2>word station was written in the middle of a sentence,
<v Speaker 2>just very obscurely, for no reason, just the word station.
<v Speaker 2>And they thought that was the most hilarious thing in
<v Speaker 2>the entire world, Like why would you type the word
<v Speaker 2>station in the middle of the paragraph for no reason?
<v Speaker 2>And so that's why the word station is so prominent
<v Speaker 2>in Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, Like that's the name
<v Speaker 2>for the aliens in the future, right, that's that's the
<v Speaker 2>only word that the aliens can say is station, station, station, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>And that's even why like evil Ted is like fist bumping,
<v Speaker 2>say station.
<v Speaker 1>So let's just talk. You did the plot overview for
<v Speaker 1>Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Do you want to do
<v Speaker 1>the plot overview for Bogus Journey as well? Or do
<v Speaker 1>you want me to do that? Why don't you go
<v Speaker 1>ahead and do that? So in the future, a disgruntled
<v Speaker 1>gym teacher named Chuck daydon nomalus I got it was
<v Speaker 1>a gym teacher come in with armed soldiers and takes
<v Speaker 1>one of the phone booths in order to send two
<v Speaker 1>robot versions of Bill and Ted back in time in
<v Speaker 1>order to kill Bill and Ted so that he prevents
<v Speaker 1>world peace from occurring, thereby changing the future into the
<v Speaker 1>future that he has imagined. The Evil Robots are successful
<v Speaker 1>in their attempt to kill Bill and Ted, and Bill
<v Speaker 1>and Ted are dead. They face death, they face hell,
<v Speaker 1>they face heaven, and ultimately are introduced to aliens that
<v Speaker 1>help them build new robots to help them overcome the
<v Speaker 1>Evil Robots, ultimately ending them in the Battle of the Bands,
<v Speaker 1>where they successfully play a song that brings about a
<v Speaker 1>feeling of unity and happiness for all who are watching
<v Speaker 1>on TV.
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was interesting flipping back to Bill and
<v Speaker 2>Ted's Excellent Adventure, one of the characters that they were
<v Speaker 2>interested in grabbing in the earlier drafts of the script.
<v Speaker 2>They talked about grabbing Charlemagne.
<v Speaker 1>Who they called Charlot Mange. And I mean they actually
<v Speaker 1>filmed scenes where they had taken somebody who was not
<v Speaker 1>famous named John the Serf. There was a scene and John,
<v Speaker 1>John the Surf, Yes, John the Surf was he was
<v Speaker 1>still credited in the credits. I don't know. I mean
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't in the movie, but got credited in the credits.
<v Speaker 1>And Bill and Ted were supposed to take the princesses
<v Speaker 1>to prom That's that scene got cut cut as well.
<v Speaker 1>I know Alex Winter went back and tried to find
<v Speaker 1>those that old footage, but he basically found that it
<v Speaker 1>went the way of the Dayla Reneitis group and was
<v Speaker 1>no more.
<v Speaker 2>It is lost in the strands of time. All we
<v Speaker 2>are is dust in the winds.
<v Speaker 1>Like sands to the These are the days of our lives.
<v Speaker 1>You killed that medieval dick weed. I'm just going to
<v Speaker 1>say that every once in a while. I just I
<v Speaker 1>just like saying that.
<v Speaker 2>Bill tees Bogus Journey is joyable. It's just not.
<v Speaker 1>It's just not excellent adventure. It is not.
<v Speaker 2>I'll be good to see how we rank these like one,
<v Speaker 2>two and three, Right, I'm hoping that three can compete
<v Speaker 2>with two as the second best. Sure, I don't think
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna I don't think three is going to be
<v Speaker 2>as good as one.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's any way. No, I don't think
<v Speaker 1>there's any way, not as far distance, as far distant
<v Speaker 1>as they are, I don't think there's any way that
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be. Yeah, I just hope it's. Honestly,
<v Speaker 1>I hate to say this. I hope it's not a disappointment.
<v Speaker 2>Cut your expectations low, and maybe.
<v Speaker 1>It won't be right. This one is I mean, this
<v Speaker 1>is thirty it's nearly thirty years. It's thirty one years
<v Speaker 1>after Excellent Adventures, So that's that's a lot of time.
<v Speaker 2>Also, it seems kind of weird that fifty year old
<v Speaker 2>men would be talking like, yeah, bodacious, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>wonder how that's.
<v Speaker 1>Going to go. I tell you what I'm excited about.
<v Speaker 1>It's it. And I've touched on this before, but it's
<v Speaker 1>the thing that all of all guys our age kind
<v Speaker 1>of go through where we just all expected to be
<v Speaker 1>superheroes or rock stars or sports gods or something like that.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's we all had this expectation that we
<v Speaker 1>were going to do something great, and then here we
<v Speaker 1>are at middle forties, Like, I feel like I just
<v Speaker 1>was meant for so much more, and these guys flat
<v Speaker 1>out got told you're going to cause world peace. You
<v Speaker 1>are meant for not only something great, the greatest thing
<v Speaker 1>of all time, And they have arrived at middle age
<v Speaker 1>and nothing's happened yet. Yeah. That's a good I mean,
<v Speaker 1>that's a good plot point, I think. So I'm hopeful
<v Speaker 1>that they are able to make something beautiful out of
<v Speaker 1>that while maintaining the goofy, crazy silliness of it all.
<v Speaker 2>All right, well that's our opinion. We want to hear
<v Speaker 2>from you, guys. What do you think don Ted's Excellent
<v Speaker 2>Adventure better?
<v Speaker 1>Any better?
<v Speaker 2>What are your expectations for part three? What's your funniest line,
<v Speaker 2>favorite scene?
<v Speaker 1>Weigh in?
<v Speaker 2>We want to hear from you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hit us on Twitter at Shirley Podcasts, on Facebook
<v Speaker 1>at Shirley Podcasts, or email us like some folks have
<v Speaker 1>done shirleypodcast at gmail dot com. Would love to hear
<v Speaker 1>from my friend.
<v Speaker 2>Be excellent to one another and party on dudes,